Animal Collective - Merriweather POLL Pavilion

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Their ninth full-length. The whoops and hollers that previously held together the sublime, chaotic urgency of their earlier work now signal the calm sense of euphoria and wonder that ripples through this wide eyed record.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
My Girls 16
Brothersport 10
Bluish 10
Summertime Clothes 9
Daily Routine 6
In the Flowers 5
Taste 3
Lion in a Coma 2
Also Frightened 1
Guys Eyes 1
No More Runnin 0


I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 15 May 2009 19:56 (ten years ago) link

i cant even

oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 May 2009 19:56 (ten years ago) link

you were supposed to use the 'in rainbows' tracklist

oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Friday, 15 May 2009 19:57 (ten years ago) link

"Summertime Clothes" all the way

@kanyewest (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 May 2009 19:58 (ten years ago) link

"in the flowers", but the earlier live version of "brother sport" is best

k3vin k., Friday, 15 May 2009 19:59 (ten years ago) link

"My Girls"

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 15 May 2009 19:59 (ten years ago) link

"My Girls" by a longshot for me, too.

Dan S, Friday, 15 May 2009 20:00 (ten years ago) link

I'll chime in for "Daily Routine" myself.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 15 May 2009 20:01 (ten years ago) link

summertime clothes vs. daily routine vs. lion in a coma vs. no more runnin

mizzell, Friday, 15 May 2009 20:01 (ten years ago) link

summertime clothes wins for me

Beatrix Kiddo, Saturday, 16 May 2009 00:46 (ten years ago) link

my girls

Zeno, Saturday, 16 May 2009 01:46 (ten years ago) link

THE LINE in my girls pretty much ruins it for me.

@kanyewest (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 May 2009 05:16 (ten years ago) link

Which line?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 16 May 2009 05:37 (ten years ago) link

do u have the internet?

@kanyewest (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 May 2009 05:40 (ten years ago) link

jesus motherfucking christ

oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 05:47 (ten years ago) link

Pretty sure I'll be the only one voting for Taste. The overlapping vocals are great.

ecuador_with_a_c, Saturday, 16 May 2009 09:33 (ten years ago) link

Could be any of them, really. Tempted to go for Also Frightened, just because of the way that refrain comes in (and because I bet very few others will), but will probably be between My Girls and Summertime Clothes.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 09:59 (ten years ago) link

brothersport, but maybe i should have voted for bluish.

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 16 May 2009 15:13 (ten years ago) link

it's too soon for this .. cant vote

billstevejim, Saturday, 16 May 2009 15:50 (ten years ago) link

"Calm sense of euphoria and wonder" indeed.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2009 15:56 (ten years ago) link

Skip "Ex" Spence (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:24 (ten years ago) link

'My Girls' just 'cause it's amazing when it comes on in the pub and you see folks grinning their faces off and singing along. Beautiful. Although 'Brother Sport' is on the same level, and 'Daily Routine' is bonzer.

Dingy Boat McCrap Crap (Mister Craig), Sunday, 17 May 2009 10:07 (ten years ago) link

Despite the haters, I still think this whole album is pretty ace.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 17 May 2009 18:34 (ten years ago) link

I know. I'm surprised Lex hasn't shown up here to spit his criticism again. And again. And again. But, y'know:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6070/hatersgonnahatec2995252.gif

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 17 May 2009 22:21 (ten years ago) link

this album is really good, but people are rightfully shy to admit it because

'My Girls' just 'cause it's amazing when it comes on in the pub and you see folks grinning their faces off and singing along.

@kanyewest (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 17 May 2009 22:27 (ten years ago) link

It's a toss up between 'Bluish' and 'Brothersport' for me, although Bluish was the first one that I started to like. IT's fun to mix four-on-the-floor techno in with 'Brothersport'.

dog latin, Sunday, 17 May 2009 22:39 (ten years ago) link

'My Girls' just 'cause it's amazing when it comes on in the pub and you see folks grinning their faces off and singing along. Beautiful. Although 'Brother Sport' is on the same level, and 'Daily Routine' is bonzer.

― Dingy Boat McCrap Crap (Mister Craig), Sunday, 17 May 2009 11:07 (12 hours ago) Bookmark

What kind of pubs are you people going to?!

dog latin, Sunday, 17 May 2009 23:04 (ten years ago) link

Bluish today

billstevejim, Monday, 18 May 2009 03:06 (ten years ago) link

How about tomorrow?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 18 May 2009 06:38 (ten years ago) link

woke up to 'Lion In A Coma' on a flight to Prague. combined with the Uma Thurman-like stewardess, it gave me wood.

horses, Monday, 18 May 2009 15:19 (ten years ago) link

What kind of planes are you people flying on?!

dog latin, Monday, 18 May 2009 15:26 (ten years ago) link

lol

AleXTC, Monday, 18 May 2009 16:31 (ten years ago) link

They're on higher planes.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2009 16:36 (ten years ago) link

"paper planes"

Beatrix Kiddo, Monday, 18 May 2009 17:15 (ten years ago) link

voted for "paper planes".

uncannydan, Monday, 18 May 2009 17:55 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 21 May 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Nice results, about what I expected.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 21 May 2009 23:12 (ten years ago) link

It's kind of a shame No More Runnin didn't get any votes. I guess people voted for the bangerz instead, but NMR has that lovely mellow Lindsey Buckingham ballad feel, with amazing harmonies. I could have voted for any of em except Taste and Also Frightened perosnally

DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 22 May 2009 04:04 (ten years ago) link

"Also Frightened" is a lot better than this poll gives it credit for being.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 22 May 2009 12:17 (ten years ago) link

I've just had a walk in the luxembourg garden (in paris) listening to MPP, under the glorious sunny blue sky, with kids playing around, pretty boys and pretty girls sunbathing under the trees and palm trees and boy how that felt good...
totally agree with the first part of the poll but yeah I would have put "also frightened" and "taste" around "bluish" and "summertime clothes" level.

AleXTC, Friday, 22 May 2009 12:36 (ten years ago) link

"Also Frightened" = their best song, to date.

nerve_pylon, Friday, 22 May 2009 13:53 (ten years ago) link

I do feel a little sorry for Also Frightened. Parts of it are really quite lovely.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 May 2009 15:51 (ten years ago) link

always frightened is only good sometimes. but sometimes it is good.

corps of discovery (schlump), Friday, 22 May 2009 16:08 (ten years ago) link

It's stuck between two of the big "singles" on the record, so it has a lot to live up to.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 22 May 2009 16:33 (ten years ago) link

fantastic, fantastic song. you can only pick one in these polls though ...

HPSCHD, Friday, 22 May 2009 16:50 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

also frightened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summertime clothes (just so y'know...)

I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:35 (nine years ago) link

plus:

no more runnin >> lion in a coma >>>>>>>>>> summertime clothes

I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:45 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I really can't believe "No More Runnin" didn't get a single vote!

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:46 (nine years ago) link

nope, "Summertime Clothes" is the best song on this album!

Bee OK, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:55 (nine years ago) link

agree to disagree, I guess?

I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:03 (nine years ago) link

"Daily Routine" > "Summertime Clothes" >>> "Also Frightened" >>>>> "My Girls"/"Brothersport" >>>>>>> the rest.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:10 (nine years ago) link

also frightened = barrett-era floyd

summertime clothes = zombies

I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:15 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEh2dhkWiUA

(via HRO)

ksh, Saturday, 5 June 2010 20:48 (nine years ago) link

delete world imo

ksh, Saturday, 5 June 2010 20:49 (nine years ago) link

it's in other thread iirc

unfunperson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 June 2010 20:59 (nine years ago) link

man, can't keep up w/ the memes. there it is. thanking you

ksh, Saturday, 5 June 2010 21:02 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Bluish is miles away the best smh

thistle supporter (mcoll), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:07 (six years ago) link

bluish is good, but i think the right song won this poll. bluish is the least representative song on this album, it doesn't sound like animal collective the way my girls does. also the line "i'm getting lost in your curls" is kind of blegh, and sounds unnatural sung by avey tare for some reason.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:14 (six years ago) link

classic album though.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:14 (six years ago) link

it doesn't sound like animal collective

otm but we disagree on which way it cuts, I suppose

thistle supporter (mcoll), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:41 (six years ago) link

yo it's obv guys eyes

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:48 (six years ago) link

I really need to hear this album one of these days.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:52 (six years ago) link

how about right now. it's on spotify. livepost your reactions.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:02 (six years ago) link

Nah Bluish

I'm sorry I said anything (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:52 (six years ago) link

I have cooled on this album a LOT tho

I'm sorry I said anything (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:53 (six years ago) link

...actually, I think I ended up voting for Also Frightened which is a close.second

...actially, I want to hear Also Frightened right now so maybe thats the best

I'm sorry I said anything (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:57 (six years ago) link

I listened to In the Flowers in the car this morning. It's a good opener.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:06 (six years ago) link

the ac had such a fucking classic run pretty much from their inception up to merriweather. every subsequent record was surprising and amazing in its own right. it was really like they could do no wrong. could merriweather be their scary monsters? eeeeeep :x

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:31 (six years ago) link

Couldn't disagree more. The band was always trying out weird stuff, which they should be commended for, but they made a lot of duds. Danse Manatee and Campfire Songs are the worst, but there is a lot of uninspired music on their albums, or stuff that is hampered by bad mastering or sequencing or stuff like that. Plus, Centipede HZ is their third-best album, after Here Comes the Indian and Strawberry Jam.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:45 (six years ago) link

these days I would vote No More Runnin tbh

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

i don't know man. name some duds, what's mastered poorly, what's sequenced wrong?

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:35 (six years ago) link

Well, pretty much everything is mastered poorly? Sung Tongs is killed by the sequencing, in my opinion. College is such an anti-climax after twelve minutes of Visiting Friends, and the last three songs are way too samey. Feels also tapers off after such an energetic start. MPP is also a lot of great tracks that never coalesces into more than it's parts.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:00 (six years ago) link

Agree that Bluish is by far the best on MPP, which really isn't a good album by any stretch of my imagination. Sung Tongs, prospect hummer and Campfire songs were their classic period.

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 2 May 2013 07:45 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

This fucking song.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 01:44 (one year ago) link

I hate a lot of songs, but few actually make my physically queasy. This one does.

incel elgort (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 02:27 (one year ago) link

how do y'all feel about this? (fwiw from the tour they debuted my girls and many of the songs on MPP, arrangement and instruments used are very close to my girls)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71PA3l0SeY

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 04:03 (one year ago) link

It's just annoying that 'My Girls' is considered the benchmark AC song. They just got more and more cloying and irritating as they went on didn't they?

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 08:50 (one year ago) link

did we ever work out what 'adobe slabs' were?

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 08:54 (one year ago) link

xpost:

Adobe slats is what it is: slats that are made out of adobe.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 16:46 (one year ago) link

Alfred OTM, though.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link

I would vote for that approx. 1 minute interlude between Guy's Eyes and Taste.

campreverb, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

That horrible wedding video that went viral certainly didn't help.

MaresNest, Thursday, 3 May 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link

it's weird how much i ended up avoiding this band....i had sung tongs on CD and it was pretty decent danielson famile type eccentric xian summer camp goofy psych bongo stuff but never heard much later

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:17 (one year ago) link

As thin as gruel and as uplifting as an elevator to the second floor

this is funny but v true

i remember when this album came out and this song came out. the next day i was in a club and this song started and ppl were like "oh shit here we go!" but what followed was a minute or so of forced dancing then everyone walking away until they put on Bowie or Prince or whathaveyou. it was dancefloor killer.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:50 (one year ago) link

Adobe is one of the more basic substances used to build houses and has been around for thousands of years, so it seems like what's going on inside the house is more important thn its actual appearance. the one line of note I find interesting is that they refer to their social status as a "material thing." maybe that classification ...

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:56 (one year ago) link

As thin as gruel and as uplifting as an elevator to the second floor

this is funny but v true

i remember when this album came out and this song came out. the next day i was in a club and this song started and ppl were like "oh shit here we go!" but what followed was a minute or so of forced dancing then everyone walking away until they put on Bowie or Prince or whathaveyou. it was dancefloor killer.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:50 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not a dance song. go to better clubs

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:57 (one year ago) link

oh i stopped going to club altogether like over 5 years ago. keep in mind this was in a dive bar that plays the usual stuff and indie rock.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:59 (one year ago) link

this album is pretty overrated but i still love my girls despite the corny lyrics

cant imagine it really working on the dancefloor though, like maybe without the long intro

ufo, Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

maybe this is AC's big trick. rather than something like Kraftwerk, this is electronic music you CAN'T dance to.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:02 (one year ago) link

hard to pick a best song tbh, the album is so stacked and works really well as a piece. gun to my head tho it's either Guys Eyes or Brother Sport

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

*rolls eyes* so it's taken y'all ten years to realise what some of us were saying at the time huh

imago, Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:20 (one year ago) link

Feels like the pro and anti-AnCo are the same as they were ten years ago.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:08 (one year ago) link

pro and anti-AnCo camps. I mean.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:12 (one year ago) link

ac jumped the shark for me when they went all ritalin hyped N high energy circa Centpidede HZ

fuck that's music to make you wanna gouge yerself

hot pocket take: alfred is OTM, another thing that bugs me about this song is how it celebrates a facile gentrified life which is equivocal with social status...it's an insincere song and an anthem for nihilists, but alfred pointed all this out i'm sure.

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:16 (one year ago) link

I guess xp

this album wasn't as discouraged as I wish it had been. now you have stuff like the new Palm album, revisiting its hateful showy tunelessness and arch polyrhythmic fuss as if that's what indie is supposed to be these days

fully aware that this opinion will irk some of you but ilm is nothing if not a melting-pot of opinions. and hey I just advertised the Palm album to MPP's advocates. get on that shit -_-

imago, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

alfred is OTM, another thing that bugs me about this song is how it celebrates a facile gentrified life which is equivocal with social status..

^^^ this

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:19 (one year ago) link

I don't think My Girls celebrates or yearns for a gentrified life. "I just want four walls and adobe slats for my girls" = I just want the bare minimum - shelter - to be with and protect my family.

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:20 (one year ago) link

oh come on that is the most transparent false modesty in pop history

imago, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:21 (one year ago) link

the Palm record does not sound like MPP, more like Strawberry Jam or late 00s bands like Abe Vigoda.

xp is it?

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:22 (one year ago) link

The big problem when Animal Collective crossed over in the year end list bonanza was suddenly all these people interpreting whatever Animal Collective had to say about anything.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:23 (one year ago) link

also assuming that the song is completely autobiographical, which is a mistake imo. if anything MPP could be criticized for fully embracing the cultural tourism of tribalism more so than any other AC record. the song that immediately follows My Girls, Also Frightened, is all about living in the jungle and shit. I always read the lyrics as very primal, as if spoken from the perspective of early man. Which like I said has potentially problematic implications, but it's definitely not a pro-gentrification song.

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:25 (one year ago) link

The big problem when Animal Collective crossed over in the year end list bonanza was suddenly all these people interpreting whatever Animal Collective had to say about anything.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, May 3, 2018 2:23 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this is OTM. they're storytellers, they've never written a message song, a lot of their lyrics (esp. avey tare) are on their face laughable/silly. I think the only topic they've ever written about with any kind of depth or insight is love.

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:26 (one year ago) link

They make strange campfire songs about being kid tigers, bee and canoes and even something about how a bat will fly and the dude writes this one song about how his dad passed away and how he wants to be a good father and people call him insincere and a gentrifier, wonder if they ever stood a chance with some people.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:28 (one year ago) link

his second solo album Young Prayer is entirely about the death of his dad yeah, plus references in "Brother Sport" and "Tropic of Cancer" from PBVSGR

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:31 (one year ago) link

Ross OTM, although I'd argue they jumped the shark the moment they formed and unfortunately weren't eaten by that very same shark.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:11 (one year ago) link

i dont live in a camp there are songs i like and songs i dont

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:17 (one year ago) link

I don't think My Girls celebrates or yearns for a gentrified life. "I just want four walls and adobe slats for my girls" = I just want the bare minimum - shelter - to be with and protect my family.

― flappy bird, Thursday, May 3, 2018 2:20 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah didn't they have kids around this time? to me it seemed like a post 2k take on domesticity (filtered through world music compilations)

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:20 (one year ago) link

idk the idea they're storytellers seems weird to me, at best on feels/st they did communication ideas about family/isolation whatever, but they're pretty dada to me

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:28 (one year ago) link

communicate*

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:28 (one year ago) link

well adam apparently you live in a cave if your sn is anything to go by :p

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:29 (one year ago) link

yeah

/I don't think My Girls celebrates or yearns for a gentrified life. "I just want four walls and adobe slats for my girls" = I just want the bare minimum - shelter - to be with and protect my family.

― flappy bird, Thursday, May 3, 2018 2:20 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark/

yeah didn't they have kids around this time? to me it seemed like a post 2k take on domesticity (filtered through world music compilations)


otm

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:14 (one year ago) link

MPP is mostly stories, not as abstract lyrically as Feels or SJ

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:15 (one year ago) link

I like the lyrics to Monkey Riches. One of the better post-Occupy indie songs written.

Frederik B, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:51 (one year ago) link

Flappy you can have this one

Discussing or arguing about ac is a thing I Just Don’t Care About

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 21:03 (one year ago) link

very understandable

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:48 (one year ago) link

You’re great tho :)

done and dusted (Ross), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:54 (one year ago) link

surely it's 'immaterial things'?
also, Merriweather was not a good album but the 7 track EP with' What Would I Want Sky' was excellent and a lot of the stuff they did before was also excellent

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:58 (one year ago) link

Van Horn Street preaching truth through this thread :-)

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:01 (one year ago) link

it is ‘material things,’ and fwiw the song was originally called ‘house’

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:02 (one year ago) link

well adam apparently you live in a cave if your sn is anything to go by :p

https://media.giphy.com/media/c6NARXsgpItVfejVVb/giphy.gif

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:13 (one year ago) link

the one line of note I find interesting is that they refer to their social status as a "material thing." maybe that classification ...

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, May 3, 2018 6:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I always thought it was poor writing; that the 'like' should have been 'as'. ("I don't mean, To seem like I care about material things Like as our social status") Which still isn't correct but makes more sense.

One of the worst things about AC is something that seems to be forced onto them: that the world suddenly thought it extremely important to completely dissect and interpret what is just a dumb lyric. Dumb lyrics do not deserve such scrutiny. I'm not saying it's through no fault of their own; I'm pretty sure they did not mind being the posterboys for Carles/Hipster Runoff ~ironic~ schtick. Still though, that seems like decades ago (gladly so).

I don't care about AC any more, but My Girls is still a jam. And 'false modesty' is a meaningless indictment against pretty much every lyricist, or author, or poet imo.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:33 (one year ago) link

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:34 (one year ago) link

lmao

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 3 May 2018 23:35 (one year ago) link

Adam - my main man

done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:21 (one year ago) link

I saw them on the feels tour and they were playing strawberry jam.

done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:23 (one year ago) link

I still really like the run of Animal Collective albums from Sung Tongs to this one but have never really paid much attention to their lyrics, or even thought much about the lines that stand out like the My Girls one. They're a 'sound' band for me. Adam Bruneau's anecdote about people trying dance to them in a club rings very true though, definitely experienced that at least once.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 4 May 2018 10:09 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I've tried to put them on at parties as well, and it didn't work. And Peacebone worked much better than anything off of MPP. There was a misreading of them at that point, I also think In the Flowers got a lot of credit for having a 'dubstep drop', which sounds quite weird today. I think many writers struggled to figure out how they were as inspired by electronic music as they claimed to be, even on Sung Tongs, and overcorrected.

I'd still say Here Comes the Indian is their best, btw.

Frederik B, Friday, 4 May 2018 12:54 (one year ago) link

merriweather.....POOP pavilion

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:49 (one year ago) link

🎶 i want to scoop di poop with you 🎶

flappy bird, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link

Shakedown otm

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

oof

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I remember turning down very large licensing requests and making light of the whole thing, many times to the exasperation of the label. A Pizza Hut request came in and one of them replied with, “We will take that pizza with pepper-NO-ni.” Another came from Volkswagen for which the reply was, “That’s going to be a “PASS-at.”

frogbs, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:56 (one year ago) link

More unnecessary dissection of what is essentially just a clumsily-written line: “I don’t want to seem like I care about material things, like (a) social stats” ... I dunno why this line carries so much weight. It goes round & round in my head, an awkward earworm. It’s pretty self-evident what he wants to say, & that he’s just stonedly shoehorning the words in, errors & all, to scan. “I don’t want to give the impression of caring about material things or the social status associated with them. I just want the barest of necessities for muh girls, WOO!” But the funny, sticky thing about it for me is the SEEM. That hipster-looking-over-his-shoulder self-consciousness: not that he’s actually striving not to care, driving for some ascetic sainthood, but that he doesn’t want to SEEM like he’s a (scuse the term) normie. The narrator probably authentically doesn’t care, but over and above the really-not-caring is a more overriding sense of caring quite a lot about whether he’s perceived to care.

Anyhow, “My Girls” is a jam, flaws & all. I never listen to these guys anymore, but I can be counted on to bust out my old-man dance moves when this reverb-drenched mess of a mini-masterpiece comes on.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 06:57 (one year ago) link

agreed

niels, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 10:58 (one year ago) link

The line does scan very awkwardly but I think the "seem" makes sense if you think of the second line as not being about requiring the "barest of necessities" but wanting to pay for a house. Which is an expensive material thing that is only able to be acquired with a substantial amount of money which, in turn, requires AC (and him as a solo artist) to make money which in turn requires that they/he be popular.

I suspect the audience for what he ~seems~ to care about is his family rather than people who might judge him: the song always struck me as being an apology for wanting the band to be successful (and devoting time to that at the expense of family time), justified by it creating the opportunity for him provide for his family.

But it's so awkwardly constructed that it's not surprising people reach different views.

Tim F, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 12:47 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

10 years old this weekend

bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Friday, 4 January 2019 21:05 (eleven months ago) link

thinking the answer is Also Frightened, for its hypnotic swing and gleefully strangled harmonies

bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Friday, 4 January 2019 21:07 (eleven months ago) link

ringer retro if that sorta thing is interesting ~

https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/1/4/18167715/animal-collective-merriweather-post-pavilion-10th-anniversary-panda-bear-avey-tare

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 4 January 2019 21:41 (eleven months ago) link

in retrospect, 'No More Runnin' is the best song on here

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 4 January 2019 21:58 (eleven months ago) link

also like Bluish and Lion In A Coma. the rest falls prey to being horrifically of its time and way shrill. Still I can't believe it's 10 years old, that's crazy

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:00 (eleven months ago) link

I can’t bring myself to listen to this in 2018 at all

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:20 (eleven months ago) link

2019 either

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:21 (eleven months ago) link

the worst of GAPDY

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:33 (eleven months ago) link

noooo way! I hardly revisit MPP, honestly can't remember the last time I did, as opposed to all of their other records (including the new stuff). I'll never forget listening to the leak on Xmas night 2008, absolutely mind-blowing experience... but it is very "hi fi" for lack of a better term, and that polished sheen wears your ears down after a while. Is this how people regarded Nevermind in 2001?

flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 22:44 (eleven months ago) link

Not sure about polished. they as a band were making some quite deliberate sonic choices including this sort-of pixilated electronic harshness that they'd grown increasingly keen on.

They'd always been a band that had experimented with noise, or more often drones - the acoustic pastoral phase between Campfire Songs and Feels made great use of that.

And before on the early Avey and Panda albums, you still got the sense they were experimenting with lo-fi noise-making equipment.

But from Strawberry Jam onwards, the songs started getting smeared in this chippy synth ooze; Avey took to doing his chimp-screech voice a bit too much; there was less subtlety, less space for the band to breathe; and everything just felt claustro like looking at an old CRT far too close-up.

By MPP, the songs had matured but their content was starting to align with the Kinfolk lumbster set of that time - big beardy men with soft voices and a fondness for log cabins - a watering-down of the freakfolk scene that AC had also been lumped in with.

I can see why people weren't and still aren't so hot on the album, but I also felt that ILM at the time was unnecessarily cruel about it, and AC, at the time.

Almost all the hate was aimed at 'My Girls' - not a particularly great song, and neither particularly representative of their overall sound. MPP, despite its flaws, is a diverse album with at least three 'hits', a good few deep cuts and of course a good bunch of unmemorable or just plain annoying songs.

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:02 (eleven months ago) link

great post dog latin

I do love My Girls

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:04 (eleven months ago) link

I recoiled from this album on contact.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:07 (eleven months ago) link

really their first five albums - Spirit They're Gone Spirit They've Vanished, Danse Manatee, Campfire Songs, Here Comes the Indian, and Sung Tongs are their best imo

of those, Campfire Songs is the one that means the most to me

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:14 (eleven months ago) link

it's a decent, not great album that was way overrated at the time with corresponding excessive backlash. one of their better albums but certainly not their best or some sort of defining album of the 00s or anything

it's definitely a more polished sound than anything they'd done before, their previous works were all relatively lo-fi in sound, sometimes to good effect but often just sounding like a muddy mess like on strawberry jam

i probably love about half the album and don't really care for the rest much at all - that organ arpeggio on 'daily routine' is still really grating to me, something about the beat drop on 'in the flowers' doesn't quite work for me,
'also frightened' is ok but feels a little empty, 'taste' is pretty nothing-y

the 'also frightened' issue applies to a lot of this album i guess, it's so heavy on the reverb that things don't quite hit as hard as i'd want them to and often leaves nothing between the psych-y ambience and the fairly low basslines

my girls still rules though

ufo, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:24 (eleven months ago) link

Thing is, the EP that came out around the same time, 'Fall Be Kind' was excellent.

Everything I liked about the band but balanced by their more electronic-infused sound (sans the horrible mid-range cacophony).

Lots of ideas, plenty of room to build a vibe, a more obviously melodic angle. I really like it.

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:26 (eleven months ago) link

had to look up whomst the Y in "GAPDY" referred to. earnestly thought it was Yeasayer lol

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:29 (eleven months ago) link

xp "their previous works were all relatively lo-fi in sound, sometimes to good effect but often just sounding like a muddy mess"

don't agree with this for their earliest works, only with strawberry jam onwards

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:29 (eleven months ago) link

oh yeah the reverb too. so many bands were doing this super washy reverb thing, but rather than sounding cool and shoegazey, it felt synthetic, like a software reverb had been applied liberally to each instrument, including the ones you wouldn't normally add reverb to.

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:30 (eleven months ago) link

still really like this album though the chorus to "My Girls" is arguably the worst lyric of all time

frogbs, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:30 (eleven months ago) link

really?

I don't care for fancy things
Or to take part in the freshest wave
But to provide for mine who ask
I will, with heart, on my father's grave

I love those lyrics

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:42 (eleven months ago) link

Sung Tongs will always be my favorite but I can hang with this one. it does have a little too much of that 2000's era technicolor vomit effect going on though, and Avey's yelps are always intolerable

sleeve, Saturday, 5 January 2019 03:47 (eleven months ago) link

love the album, it's all tracks, the lyrical sensibility on the record is something they'd been organically working towards for several years (as the article points out). I wasn't here on ILM for the thrashing, but this was a major album at my high school. I think I burned a dozen or so copies not only for my friends, but people that were maybe casual music fans and just discovering them. suddenly me and my friends' favorite band was 'breaking thru' in a meaningful, observable way. it was awesome.

I do think it's funny how the article frames the Xmas leak in nostalgic terms, I mean give me a break. they were freaking out at the time. and the idea that albums don't retain peoples' attention for an entire year anymore? please. maybe not animal collective records, but DAMN. was inescapable for all of 2017.

also, when I figured out what GADPY stood for, I couldn't believe it. lumping those bands and those albums together with MPP is insane. and I like Bitte Orca. I remember the YYYs being really good. but give me a break. Fleet Foxes? ok Veckatimest had some tracks, but still. absolutely not.

flappy bird, Saturday, 5 January 2019 04:57 (eleven months ago) link

GADPY?

austinb, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:09 (eleven months ago) link

2009:
Grizzly Bear
Animal Collective
Phoenix
Dirty Projectors
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

I dunno, in retrospect I think all of those albums were pretty good

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:13 (eleven months ago) link

lumping in the Phoenix record is especially insane. and yea, I agree the rest are pretty good. MPP was a major milestone. it was the tall tree.

flappy bird, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:18 (eleven months ago) link

xp a Whiney thing if my memory is correct

credit to him that it's stuck

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:19 (eleven months ago) link

it's "GAPDY" fwiw

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:21 (eleven months ago) link

Phoenix is the one I most want to go back to, especially in light of the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez video

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 05:38 (eleven months ago) link

one of my favorite albums. i know they're not everyone's thing, but this honestly was one of the great bands of the centuries.

listening to it now makes me sad though for some reason.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 06:44 (eleven months ago) link

also i strongly disagree with the person who said they hate the lyrics to my girls. i'm with dan s -- they're poignant and perfect

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 06:49 (eleven months ago) link

They're dangerous and stupid

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:00 (eleven months ago) link

!

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:02 (eleven months ago) link

why because they're heteronormative and glorify homeownership, which isn't sustainable?

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:02 (eleven months ago) link

My Girls is the most egregiously American song I've ever heard, with a song about and for black queer safe spaces re-appropriated to be a song about a rejection of community for safe ensconced family units built on acquired family money in remote ex-pat locations, a literally "I'm stealing from Detroit house to reject 'community' and build a house for my wife and child in Lisbon" realness, it is Donald Trump as a song good luck with it, and I'm a fan of this band and the man who wrote it, still: probably the worst song ever written, it is "Taxman" except built on a Frankie Knuckles sample

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:05 (eleven months ago) link

interesting fgti, wasn't aware of the personal history of that song or of any re-appropriation, I just related to it as a godparent (it was released in the year after my goddaughter was born, I think it will always be connected to her in my mind)

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:23 (eleven months ago) link

If I've ever being annoying at a dinner party, be assured you can put this song on and I'll be out the door in 15 seconds

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:36 (eleven months ago) link

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:38 (eleven months ago) link

I want Funk Flex to drop a bomb on that fgti post

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:46 (eleven months ago) link

Lol some real nonsense in this thread

Οὖτις, Saturday, 5 January 2019 16:17 (eleven months ago) link

i'm into fgti's posts even though i love that song. i hadn't thought through the implications of that frankie knuckles sample.

i always saw that song as a kind of millennial ode to the vanishing dream of home ownership. the suburban life that counterculture always told people to resist, suddenly, doesn't even exist as a fallback for many of the types of people who would listen to AnCo. (obviously, for many, it never existed as a "fallback.")

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 17:41 (eleven months ago) link

They're dangerous and stupid

― flamboyant goon tie included,

otm -- loathe this song

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 January 2019 17:47 (eleven months ago) link

the YYY album is still by far the best album on that incongruous list.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 January 2019 17:47 (eleven months ago) link

http://youtubedoubler.com/rlF5

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 January 2019 17:59 (eleven months ago) link

the YYY album is still by far the best album on that incongruous list.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, January 5, 2019 5:47 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's Blitz! is not just my favourite Yeah Yeah Yeahs album, it's easily one of my favourite albums from 2000-2009 and it still holds up 10 years later. Merriweather Post Pavilion is a joke of a record from a joke of a band, and thankfully pretty much everyone realises this now. It certainly couldn't have been any more apparent to me in 2009.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:15 (eleven months ago) link

it's only on ilx that "everyone" dislikes MPP. many consider it a classic.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:32 (eleven months ago) link

the band's new stuff doesn't inspire enthusiasm but "my girls" is part of the indie canon

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:35 (eleven months ago) link

Many people considered Brothers in Arms a classic in 1985 yet attitudes had changed towards that album by 1995. Same thing applies to Merriweather Post Pavilion's reputation from 2009 to 2019. I'm of course not talking about sales here - Animal Collective were never that big and never could have been.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:38 (eleven months ago) link

i just don't think there has been a consensus turn against it. the people who loved animal collective now mostly see that album as a really nostalgic artifact from a different time in their lives.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:40 (eleven months ago) link

there isn't any embarrassment when it comes on someone's playlist.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:40 (eleven months ago) link

Assuming that it makes their playlist to begin with.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:47 (eleven months ago) link

but this honestly was one of the great bands of the centuries.
lol wow

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:49 (eleven months ago) link

sorry just meant this century, which hasn't been going on too long

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:53 (eleven months ago) link

They were a fun little band for a minute ok but one of the greats ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:00 (eleven months ago) link

maybe not. i really liked them in high school and college and i think they helped me learn to appreciate a wider sonic palette at that time.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:10 (eleven months ago) link

So let’s say they were on of the bands that had the greatest impact on you. Totally fair and understandable

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:14 (eleven months ago) link

I was in my mid 20 hanging around Brooklyn a lot at the time so experienced it totally differently

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:16 (eleven months ago) link

i was 19 going on 20 when it was released in late 2008. i remember listening to it in my girlfriend-at-the-time's dorm room, for some reason the mattress was on the floor. i remember thinking i could tell it was going to be big--they were moving to a more accessible sound while still keeping true to what was unique about them

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:20 (eleven months ago) link

it was one of the few songs you would hear at both "alt" type parties and frat parties, of which there were a ton at my college (sadly). the song was a rare common cultural reference point then--i feel like there is probably less a divide now between self-styled indie kids and mainstream frat types but who knows

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:21 (eleven months ago) link

Counterpoint: It's not a Frankie Knuckles sample.

Terrible song though.

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:23 (eleven months ago) link

As far as GAPDY goes, Dirty Projectors and Grizzly Bear were by far my favorites, and afaic the only ones still making good records.

Never clicked with AC, it felt like it wasn't for me, though this one definitely made it to midwest MFA parties and potlucks.

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:25 (eleven months ago) link

the strongest emotion I have toward this album is resentment, specifically for ushering in carles nostalgia

theorizing your yells (katherine), Saturday, 5 January 2019 20:11 (eleven months ago) link

GAPDY was not about those albums being similar or linked other than that they all dominated critic lists that year. There was a sense in 2009 that critics were relieved to be able to frame indie rock as embracing the weird and experimental and danceable and fun and electronic and worldly (and each of the albums seems to fit at least two of those adjectives), thus allowing them to go back to ignoring all the non-indie rock music that otherwise had been supplying those vibes. But that dynamic was as much about albums that had come out in the preceding years like Sound of Silver and All Hour Cymbals and the first Vampire Weekend album (and Strawberry Jam to an extent, but more importantly Person Pitch). 2008 was just the year it seemed to verge on the all-consuming as a critical frame.

In retrospect of course

Tim F, Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:04 (eleven months ago) link

... 2008 was not indie rock’s resurgence but its last gasp?

Tim F, Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:05 (eleven months ago) link

As for this album, I liked it at the time but haven’t listened in ages. I agree that Fall Be Kind was better and better still was the live version of these songs I saw in Berlin in late 2007 where it all sounded more like “#1” and the second half of “Safer”.

Tim F, Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:07 (eleven months ago) link

Eh I dunno though there seems to be a sort of permanent pro indie rock circuit where bands play large clubs or small theaters, like acts like Chvrches or Kurt Vile

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:28 (eleven months ago) link

Tame Impala headlining Coachella seems like as much of a high point as it'll get at present.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:30 (eleven months ago) link

I mean it beats working!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:42 (eleven months ago) link

Though I'm not sure any of the GAPDY bands got much bigger than that anyway

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:43 (eleven months ago) link

CHVRCHES aren't an indie rock band!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:56 (eleven months ago) link

I guess the other thought I have is that 2009 looked like Fever Ray and Two Suns and Abnormally Attracted to Sin in my world, so all of this discourse is perpetually baffling to me

that and the vocals are not listenable, but that is my thought on most related bands

theorizing your yells (katherine), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:58 (eleven months ago) link

Well yeah, to me 2009 looked like Electrik Red and The-Dream and lots of uk funky and etc. and to others it was other stuff again, but to (it seemed like) 80% of critics it was mostly GAPDY, and that’s what seemed stifling at the time.

Tim F, Saturday, 5 January 2019 23:23 (eleven months ago) link

CHVRCHES aren't an indie rock band!

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, January 5, 2019 4:56 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah they are, they are electronic but they are totally indie rock

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 January 2019 23:24 (eleven months ago) link

"this band isn't indie rock!" - an argument in 2019

theorizing your yells (katherine), Saturday, 5 January 2019 23:43 (eleven months ago) link

It's not an argument, just mere fact. CHVRCHES are a pop band. If CHVRCHES are indie rock, then so are Erasure. Erasure aren't indie rock either.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:14 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah they're indie stop being obtuse

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:25 (eleven months ago) link

Like 3 people in indie bands in glasgow start a synth pop group = it's indie baby

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:25 (eleven months ago) link

lmao none more indie

twitter is bad not good (||||||||), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:31 (eleven months ago) link

Then by that logic, if they'd started a jazz fusion band you'd still be calling it indie, which is pretty idiotic.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:35 (eleven months ago) link

They wouldn't do that tho because they're too indie

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:37 (eleven months ago) link

Cool. Well, I'm gonna crank The Innocents now - that legendary indie rock classic.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:40 (eleven months ago) link

Oh god I just cited them and Vile because they both seem in that middle class career wise, didn't know this was gonna get Turricanned.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:50 (eleven months ago) link

I can’t really extract my overall feelings for AC from my feelings for Panda Bear solo which are very positive. Tomboy following Person Pitch is one of the nicest build upon/reinventions and frankly a breathtaking follow up to a widely-considered-classic-album (I think it is, too)— those two albums are prob my favourites of this entire GAPDY thing

My favourite of all this era tho was GGD both live and on record

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 6 January 2019 01:07 (eleven months ago) link

Agreed GGD were the best.

Tim F, Sunday, 6 January 2019 01:12 (eleven months ago) link

yeah person pitch is my favourite ac-related album easily. tomboy is decent but not as like texturally rich so i never got into it in the same way though

ggd were and still are the best, eye contact is one of my favourite albums ever

ufo, Sunday, 6 January 2019 01:32 (eleven months ago) link

Well yeah, to me 2009 looked like Electrik Red and The-Dream

These were two of my favorites too, and outside ILM I felt like an outlier. It took only, what, a couple more years for us to stand in place for the rest of rockcrit to catch up.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 January 2019 02:19 (eleven months ago) link

Black Dice put out their best album in 2009, to me they were second only to AC as the most exciting and unique band of this era (and Eric Copeland has a similarly stellar solo career, arguably eclipsing his main band just like Panda Bear). GGD were good but I always found them kind of boring, though they have tracks, and God's Money is pretty great all the way thru.

flappy bird, Sunday, 6 January 2019 05:02 (eleven months ago) link

I don't consider GGD or Black Dice from the GAPDY scene, they feel like no1ze ppl that got dancey

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 14:40 (eleven months ago) link

I don't consider GGD or Black Dice from the GAPDY scene, they feel like no1ze ppl that got dancey


GAPDY isn’t a scene though, none of those bands hung out with each other. I guess I get it but it’s a strange construction to me. AC, BD, GGD are very much part of the same scene. But I’m p much aligned with Treeship on this topic, AC and MPP were massive for me and my friends and yes I do think AC are the band of that decade, and remain all time favorites for me.

flappy bird, Sunday, 6 January 2019 15:14 (eleven months ago) link

GAPDY '09 sounded like they were taking cues from BTTLS (SING THIS HOOK OH AY OH) and Anco in particular from YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Gl6kI1_Xw

who burned down the MPP 9012live when they boys were in kindergarten (?)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/yes/1984/merriweather-post-pavilion-columbia-md-6bdf2296.html

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 January 2019 15:37 (eleven months ago) link

Black Dice did a bunch of collabs with Wolf Eyes... That's not GAPDY vibes

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:32 (eleven months ago) link

I'd agree there's a link between Black Dice and the earlier Animal Collective stuff, they toured and released a split EP together at some point right?

I still love this album although I admit I haven't played it in a while. Sung Tongs is by far my favourite of the group records at this point.

Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:05 (eleven months ago) link

Avay Tare and Eric Copeland had a band together! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Tones

Frederik B, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:14 (eleven months ago) link

Maybe I'm off on this, but for a minor band AC plays some pretty big venues. I remember them selling out Stubb's in particular.

campreverb, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:35 (eleven months ago) link

Put it this way, AnCo is like Randall "Pink" Floyd in Dazed and Confused, they can travel between groups but he's still GAPDY, whereas Wolf Eyes are like Slater.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:48 (eleven months ago) link

Like they can be cool with each other and do a side project/go get Aerosmith tickets but fundamentally they aren't from the same scene

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:50 (eleven months ago) link

Haha!

Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:09 (eleven months ago) link

AC played with Wolf Eyes a lot in the early days

flappy bird, Sunday, 6 January 2019 20:20 (eleven months ago) link

On sure but then AnCo joined the football team and they kinda grew apart, but they still got together sometimes

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:08 (eleven months ago) link

haha

someone said it upthread, but the whole GAPDY thing wasn't a scene, it was just that those 5 bands were the favorites of a particularly strong critical consensus that year (5 of the top 6 albums AND songs in the PnJ poll came from the GAPDY). And they were all to one extent or another "established" indie acts, and therefore pretty easy to yawn at.

Of course AnCo emerged from the early 2000s noise scene (covered in this Whiney thread), "GAPDY" status doesn't eliminate that or give their noizier fellow travelers "GAPDY" status

intheblanks, Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:25 (eleven months ago) link

that said GGD was one of my favorite bands of that era, always glad to see them get love. I liked that "noise bands" get blissed out era, high places was another band that had similar vibes to me

intheblanks, Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:28 (eleven months ago) link

I've accepted that I have zero idea of how popular anyone is in real world terms these days. Like, I thought Kurt Vile was indie-famous and doing fine, but I didn't know that he could sell out a 2500 capacity venue in Wisconsin.

Similarly, I hadn't heard of this band Lake Street Dive until a few months ago, but all the 40+ year olds I know were like "oh yeah, of course" and they sold out the same venue. I'm not sure where they would even hear about a band like that (inoffensive folk-y r&b) besides NPR?

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:30 (eleven months ago) link

Kurt Vile has made Obama's top songs/albums list a couple years at least, including the recent one.

flappy bird, Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:22 (eleven months ago) link

Xpost Jordan - I'm sure your familiar with the Current npr station in Mpls, stream that and you'll get a great view into that whole Lake Street Drive hip for basics (tm) scene

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:56 (eleven months ago) link

idk how we got here, but kurt vile is one of the most played artists on alt rock radio

bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Sunday, 6 January 2019 23:01 (eleven months ago) link

I've relistened to this album all the way through and my conclusions are:

- I'm not a lyrics person and I never cared about AC's lyrics because half the time they're way too obfuscated to understand, so it's strange to see so much emphasis on the lyrics to My Girls
- I'm surprised that this was such a crossover hit in the US (playing at frat parties etc). Hardly the case in the UK.
- The lyrics are one thing - you could interpret them one of many ways - but for me the production on My Girls is representative of the downfall of this album. This song would be a million times better if the production had been bigger. Those big bass hits just don't sound very big at all. It's like dance music with all the oomph sucked out of it. The semblance of bass, without the low end. The vocals should be beautiful and soaring but they're flat and sit awkwardly in the mix.
- I'd love to hear a remixed version of the whole album. Tone down all the horrible squiggly deteriorated synth noises, let the thing breathe a bit, get rid of the DAW reverb that suddenly so many bands were flooding their music with at that point. There are good songs in here, but they're so overstuffed and compressed and undynamic that something like Daily Routine just wooshes past without touching the sides.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 14:04 (eleven months ago) link

Good to see some Tomboy loving. I prefer it to Person Pitch and MPP by a considerable stretch. Never got the hang of Person Pitch

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 14:05 (eleven months ago) link

completely agree about the mix - i do like my girls a lot as it is but it could have been so much better than it was. it at least sounds much better on record than most of the dreadful live versions

ufo, Monday, 7 January 2019 14:11 (eleven months ago) link

Person Pitch's appeal was really about "Comfy In Nautica" being such a shock in its simplicity, brutally repetitious production and a sing-song melody, I remember feeling incredibly wide-eyed wow the first time a friend put it on. It's a very aesthetically extreme album and the extremity of what-it-was-doing has probably become less impactful, but it seemed so bold at the time

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:59 (eleven months ago) link

I was a big fan of AC and Panda Bear's Young Prayer at the time but Person Pitch made very little impact.

I revisit it occasionally and it leaves me totally cold other than maybe the last track which is quite pretty. Again, it's a production thing for me - a sound that had become increasingly popular between about 2007-2011 where indie types were experimenting with dance music and, at the same time, shoegaze, but getting them both a bit wrong.

Whatever continuum encompassed both Caribou and Grizzly Bear: 4/4 beats stripped of bass, devoid of funk and played reed-thin; Beach Boys-influenced harmonies with all the blood let out; layer upon layer upon layer of twiggly folk guitar; electronic reverb applied with a spade. I hated it so much.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:55 (eleven months ago) link

fwiw the only AC song with a bass guitar is What Would I Want? Sky

dog latin: makes sense you dig Ponytail the most of all the songs on PP, that one always seemed to me like a preview/transitional piece to Tomboy.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 17:06 (eleven months ago) link

that's a good point. they don't have a bass player, never really struck me. but yes the synthetic bass they use on their work is horrible. I say that as a fan

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:39 (eleven months ago) link

Maybe because I was so used to the live versions of these songs - saw them the week Strawberry Jam came out, and listened to countless bootlegs - when I heard the album I was blown away by the bass presence. As opposed to SJ, where imo they neutered a stellar group of dark songs into something too dry, too clean - MPP sounded fully realized, evolved, high-def. I love the production on MPP and think Ben Allen was the perfect person to produce it, I hear lots of bass, but perhaps it was just obvious in comparison to the live versions.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 18:23 (eleven months ago) link

my problem with the lyrics on "My Girls" isn't the theme but rather that they sound like they were written by someone who does not speak English

frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2019 18:35 (eleven months ago) link

I just realised the melody from Comfort In Nautica always reminded me faintly of the Thames Television ident..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DuN5QiUk00E

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:37 (eleven months ago) link

xp that's AC all over though. it's what I liked about previous albums. the lyrics sounded like they'd literally been written by animals who had somehow become lucid and it really worked with that bongos and acoustic guitars vibe they were doing then.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:55 (eleven months ago) link

but on My Girls they do just sound a bit lazy, The idea that 'social status' is a 'material thing', the use of 'Adobe slabs'. There is something facile and tossed off about it, as opposed to primal

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:58 (eleven months ago) link

I agree PB's lyrics have always been facile. the one that always bugged me was the chorus of "Take Pills": "I don't want for us to take pills / anymore / not that it's bad." --- huh???

I remember reading or hearing recently that he writes the vocal melodies first always and finds words that fit the cadence... hence such mindblowing lyrics on his recent "Part of the Math": "I'm an animal / I'm a mineral / I'm a vegetable / I'm an abacus / alright."

but he's always good for some gems, like "Sunset," which does have the line "were a peacock in the rain / slain / when a bum note is in play," but the line "every day I found a euro on the ground" within the context of the song's severe melancholy hits me hard. that's a beautiful song.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:10 (eleven months ago) link

the absolute state of that headline jfc

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:21 (eleven months ago) link

the headline only comes into play in the last 3 grafs, the rest is pretty much the same as all the other retro pieces:

What’s slightly more surprising is Merriweather’s own lack of projected influence on indie at large. Even though chillwave, the electronic pop sub-genre borne out of the bedroom-recording movement of the early 2010s, is often attributed to Merriweather’s influence, its practitioners’ taste for hazy atmospherics and nostalgia-evoking reference points hews way closer to Person Pitch’s warped aesthetic than Merriweather’s high-gloss sheen. During much of the 2000s, acts that liberally borrowed from Animal Collective’s aesthetic were everywhere, from the electric abstractions of indie rockers Nurses to the off-kilter folk of acts like Our Brother the Native and Le Loup. But going into the 2010s, such acts simply stopped popping up, as much an acknowledgement of Merriweather’s unbeatablity as a signal of a new cultural focus taking hold in indie.

Even the level of mass excitement that led up to Merriweather’s release—a palpable sense of anticipation readily memorable to any aging indie fan who spent the 2000s with the type of high-speed internet access that only their university could provide—has yet to be replicated in the decade since. The collective sway of the internet’s attention is more diffuse, diverse, and ephemeral, and much of the emergent indie trends this decade have drawn from more melodically fertile ground than the defiantly outré sounds that Animal Collective worked in pre-Merriweather.

These changings of the guard aren’t bad things, they just are—and when it comes to Merriweather, they work in Animal Collective’s favor. The album’s singular mythology speaks to its strange and strangely simple pleasures. Animal Collective chose not to finish the conversation their most successful album started, and no one else even dared to try.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:36 (eleven months ago) link

I may be alone in this but I more or less just consider this album the apex of chillwave. like, I know they weren't really part of that scene such as it was, but that's the cultural/musical context that it seems to slot into in terms of sound and approach.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:39 (eleven months ago) link

lol xps

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:40 (eleven months ago) link

Washed Out and Neon Indian's signature hits all came out the same year, after all

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:41 (eleven months ago) link

I think that makes sense, in the same way that Nevermind is the apex of "grunge" despite Nirvana flying on their own and not really participating in the ensuing cultural wave (besides bumps for Soundgarden, Melvins, and Mudhoney, similar to the rising tide that helped AC's friends like Black Dice, Lightning Bolt, and GGD). in my mind Silverchair = Neon Indian is a perfect comparison.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:48 (eleven months ago) link

it's all just post-Obama victory drugs-n-partying for norms music

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:55 (eleven months ago) link

i could write a book-length ilx post about what this album meant to me and others at my liberal arts college. i may just do that, even if it earns me 51 flag posts.

flappy bird otm.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:57 (eleven months ago) link

haha

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:58 (eleven months ago) link

weird album for me in that i did really love it when i came out, though not as much as person pitch, but then i have listened to none of the ac related material that's been released subsequently.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 7 January 2019 20:00 (eleven months ago) link

if anyone is seeking bass from these guys please check out A Day with the Homies by Panda Bear, released last year. it's vinyl only and there's nothing online though............... I did make a tape bounce of it and it's in my dropbox uh... just sayin..........

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 20:37 (eleven months ago) link

Reminder that this year I'm either going to run or make seandalai run the overdue 2000-09 albums and tracks poll

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 20:41 (eleven months ago) link

mpp is a good hippie album, no more no less imo

marcos, Monday, 7 January 2019 21:39 (eleven months ago) link

this is overall good but referring to the MP3 blog era as "pre-algorithm" is really strange considering the existence/relative ubiquity of the Hype Machine https://pitchfork.com/features/article/animal-collectives-merriweather-post-pavilion-was-radical-enough-to-redefine-indie-music-why-didnt-it/

theorizing your yells (katherine), Monday, 7 January 2019 22:14 (eleven months ago) link

many interesting recent posts. never thought about it in this way but "post-Obama victory drugs-n-partying for norms music" in retrospect although maybe a little cynical makes some sense

I had the same experience as jim in vancouver, I liked the album but not as much as Person Pitch, and never followed them after that. I'm really enjoying hearing it again

I think I can understand why people *really* like this album, it does have a glow. the slight preferencing of treble over bass is an interesting choice and doesn't seem like one that is just based in amateurishness to me

Dan S, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:33 (eleven months ago) link

Is anyone really ready for '00s nostalgia yet?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:42 (eleven months ago) link

We should start a thread for all the forgotten 00s music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMOZRk74QrY

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:21 (eleven months ago) link

^dope song btw

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:22 (eleven months ago) link

some of the writing in that pitchfork article is v bad.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 06:31 (eleven months ago) link

yeah

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 07:50 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Nobody cares anymore but the live album that just came out is a perfect era capsule. I think I saw them three times btw Feels and MPP, that moment caught in time is still something special imo.

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:06 (one week ago) link


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