ATP (UK version) 2009 - who's in?

No thread yet?

Stuff announced, both at Minehead this year.

Weekend 1 - The Fans Strike Back: 8 - 10 May, featuring Devo, Sleep. Spiritualized, Grails. (http://www.atpfestival.com/atp/Events/TheFansStrikeBack/News/View/0810310923.php)

Weekend 2 - The Breeders: 15 - 17 May, featuring The Breeders, Throwing Muses, Bon Iver,Teenage Fanclub, Holy Fuck (http://www.atpfestival.com/atp/Events/ATPBreeders/News/View/0810310931.php)

I am as yet undecided, and will probably end up going to neither, but please corral in here and convince me, and others, which (if either) is worth the hassle of traipsing to Somerset.

weekend one looks great

1st Weekend >>>>>> 2nd Weekend

1st weekend has a reformed Sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else

proviso re: picking groups who have never played atp before bodes well for weekend one. a lot of people voted tom waits and bjork for the last ones. that would be dreamy.

an update on the lineups, thoughts?

Fans -

Curated by ATP

* Devo
* The Jesus Lizard
* Spiritualized
* Sleep - Performing Holy Mountain / selections from Dopesmoker and more.
* Grails
* Young Marble Giants - Performing Colossal Youth
* Antipop Consortium
* Sleepy Sun
* The Cave Singers
* Retribution Gospel Choir
* HEALTH
* Shearwater
* The Acorn
* Pink Mountaintops
* Qui
* Liam Finn
* This Will Destroy You
* Hush Arbors

Curated by The Fans

* Killing Joke
* Beirut
* Electric Wizard
* M83
* Marnie Stern
* Future Of The Left
* Errors
* Parts & Labor
* Jeffrey Lewis & The Junkyard
* The Mae Shi
* School of Seven Bells
* Harvey Milk

Other

* Pete Fowler - Art Exhibition

Breeders -

* The Breeders
* Throwing Muses
* Bon Iver
* Foals
* Teenage Fanclub
* Holy Fuck
* Kimya Dawson
* Pit Er Pat
* Deerhunter
* Gang Of Four
* Shellac - Performing as House Band
* Zach Hill
* The Soft Pack
* The Holloys
* Styrofoam
* CSS
* Supersuckers
* Yann Tiersen
* X
* The Whispertown 2000
* Tricky
* Mr Lif
* J-Zone
* Blood Red Shoes
* Melt Banana

<3 that the Breeders like J-Zone.

Is he still doing basketball blogging and sports stuff? Since he declared hiphop dead will he just tell more funny stories about that

I was hoping that Harvey Milk would do the fans one, hooray!

I agreed to go the Breeders wknd for my friend's 30th, but for me, it's a less than thrilling line-up so far. Would love to see Harvey Milk added.

Still waiting for an ATP New York lineup update...

Is there going to be a Nightmare Before Xmas this year? I don't think I can afford any festivals this summer but I might be slightly better off by the end of the year.

ATP Vs. Fans looks better and better every day. But I'm saving my money on the hope that Nightmare rules again this year.

Yeah, there is a Nightmare Before Xmas. If you win the write-the-programme-introduction competition for the Vs the Fans one you can win a chalet for Xmas.

I am excited as my friends' band was number 100 on one of the last lists, so they should be being asked to play. Woo!

wow @ YMG playing that whole album

new york announcement coming veeeery soon. i know we said that before, but this time it's truer.

:D

wow @ YMG playing that whole album

I would love love LOVE to see this at ATP New York but, you know, not sure that'll happen.

I am excited as my friends' band was number 100 on one of the last lists, so they should be being asked to play. Woo!

Still not sure if I'm gonna make it to this but Lords were one of the best bands I saw last year no messin' 'round - they deserve more ILM luv

I would love love LOVE to see this at ATP New York but, you know, not sure that'll happen.

― ilxor, Monday, March 2, 2009 12:01 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, I'm praying for some UK/USA crossover irt YMG and Jesus Lizard.

pass on the whole thing, the remaining tickets are out of my price range.
will console myself with the london jesus lizard gig come may 11.

Lords have indeed been confirmed today along with Jesu, Grouper, Nico Muhly, Casiotone For The Painfully Alone, Sian Alice Group all for fans event. plus added Giant Sand, Th' Faith Healers, Madlib & J. Rocc, Heartless Bastards and Juan Son to the breeders one. nice lot of stuff there.

Yeah I got myself a London Jesus Lizard ticket yesterday, tbh there's not many other bands on that weekend I haven't seen already that I want to. xpost

It's a good job I can't afford (and am too much of a sad no-music-geek-mates loner) to go to either, because having to decide between Grouper + HEALTH vs Th'Faith Healers + Holy Fuck would make me sad

Hooray for Lords! Also hooray for Grouper and CFTPA. Don't know much about Nico Muhly but it could be interesting.

Th'Faith Healers are the sort of band I would have loved to see back then but am not that bothered about seeing now. I'm just sick of reformations, basically. Really really sick of reformations.

I'd go and see then now - I'm sure they still have plenty of aptitude for rocking - I just wouldn't put a lot of importance on it

For some reason normally I hate this current mania for reformations but would still like to see TFH. I have no idea why they'd be different (they were very important to me, like, 5 years after the fact, but then so were the similarly recently reformed Polvo, who I didn't bother to see).

Might just be that I didn't know about it until today, but I am quite happy to pass on the Jesus Lizard, so...

Personally, I know I'd be very pleased to see Th' Faith Healers at ATP New York (hint hint)!

Still undecided, still working on getting a chalet-load together for the Fans one, with an offer of a room for The Breeders if I want it. There's nothing making me go OMG MUST GO yet, though plenty I would enjoy if I was there. Hmmmm.

Have been booked in for The Fans Strike Back for a while and a bit hmmmm about the lineup, but Grouper, Lords, Casiotone, Harvey Milk etc over the last couple of weeks are getting me all excitable.

if anybody is interested in purchasing a 4 person self catering chalet for MBV ATP, let me know and i will make it happen with or without the waving of a magic wand (buyer chooses).

by the way dont think there was a thread on here about our Ten Years Of ATP fest we're doing in december featuring old curators, atp favourites and people from our label. lineup so far:

* Explosions In The Sky
* Tortoise
* Shellac
* Dirty Three
* Melvins
* Mudhoney
* The For Carnation
* Papa M
* Deerhoof
* Fuck Buttons
* The Drones
* Sleepy Sun
* Bardo Pond
* Battles
* Stephen Malkmus And The Jicks
* Sunn O)))
* J Mascis And The Fog
* Apse
* Alexander Tucker & Decomposed Orchestra

^^ reason for sale tbh

we just added Modest Mouse, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and The Breeders to the ten years one.

OMG please somebody buy my MBV tickets

loooooooool

futbh

Surely Modest Mouse alone are worth the price of oh hang on

I will buy your tickets for £0, you must agree cuz otherwise this will be the first year since 2004 that I haven't attended at least one ATP :o(.

have to decline, sorry. you should attend, though.

i have only your best interests at heart.

I miss Autechre '03. That was my fave. No obligatory Shellac!!

^^^

wouldn't mind obligatory lightning bolt though.

in, um, seven? ATPs I've managed to get away with only seeing Shellac once. But Lightning Bolt I did four times in one weekend.

£1, g-kit? I think that's as high as I can go if I want to pay the rent, boo hoo.

Keep going...

This always sounds like it would be great festival if it weren't for the music.

Sunn O))) performing The GrimmRobe Demos
Sunn O))) performing from Monoliths & Dimensions
The Magic Band
Lightning Bolt
múm
OM
Porn
Edan
Tall Firs

confirmed for the ten years one. lovely.

Lightning Bolt + múm = win

i switched up my tix now btw

gonna announce a few ex-curators on friday too hopefully

would snap up 2 berth if they weren't gone already.

Sunn O))) performing The GrimmRobe Demos
Sunn O))) performing from Monoliths & Dimensions

Plz to add Sunn O))) to ATP New York plz plz?

BEAK, which is the new band featuring Geoff Barrow of Portishead, now confirmed for the Ten Years event along with The Mars Volta and Afrirampo.

omfg would you guys stop booking Edan FFS!

Maybe if you gave him some time off banging chicks at ATP he'd be able to record some new material and stop rehashing the same boring live show.

Plenty of other, better, rap you could be booking!

Yes but not much that's previously featured at ATP which is the remit of this one

Granted but I still think I'd rather see Thirstin Howl III again

"I still live with my moms" > Edan's 2 albums

so whos is actually attending 10 Years?

other than Matt DC

Us.

Thirstin Howl wrecked it at that one ATP he played but let's be honest, no-one gives a fuck about him

Yay @ "Us"! I figured you'd be doing MBV.

I'm going to the nightmare before christmas.

Despite whinging upthread I'm now going to the ten years one. Not particularly ecstatic about the lineup but I haven't been since the Thurston Moore curated one so I'm due one. The Mars Volta though - why??

strongly considering

Posting this on behalf of my flatmate. He's thinking of organising a bus from Glasgow to the Ten Years of ATP bash. It's non-profit, so will be much cheaper than the official chartered bus. He's successfully organised buses to ATP before, so I can vouch for the righteousness of this enterprise.

As some of you may know, I'm looking into organizing a bus from Glasgow to the second All Tomorrow's Parties in December, the `10 years of ATP' one. I've recently decided to go to this and, although I know there's a bus already scheduled to go from Glasgow, I've found out it's a private company that's charging more than double what we got it for per head the last time I ran the bus. I'd like to do this cheaply, and I'm sure a bunch of other folk will too, so I want to gauge possible numbers before I go about organizing it properly.

For those of you who don't know the details: I'll book a bus to run from Glasgow directly to Minehead, leaving at 3am-ish on the Friday, getting there in time for the doors opening, and it'll leave Minehead at kicking out time on the Monday, getting us back in early evening. The previous busses have been £45, then £33, then £35 (I think? perhaps £37?) per head for the return; the cost depends on how many people go, so the more the merrier. I'd need to get the money from everyone for about a month before we leave. It's a great way to get there, as it's hassle-free, without any connections or lugging luggage about, and it's cheap too.

So, if you're interested, please let me know. If you know anyone who would be interested, please share this note or forward it on to them. Any help would be appreciated.

gary dot thoms at gmail dot com

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Is anyone looking for a ticket/space ay the 10 years one? My mates have a spare one going.

Rather than start a 2010 thread i figured i'd add to this one and say i'm very hyped that Matt Groening has picked these so far for May...

Iggy & The Stooges
Coco Rosie
James Chance & Les Contortions
Built To Spill
BOREDOMS performing Boadrum
The Raincoats
Toumani Diabate
Danielson
Thee Oh Sees
Konono No1
Juana Molina
Lightning Dust
James Blackshaw
Anni Rossi
Viv Albertine's Limerence
Panda Bear
Amadou & Mariam
Daniel Johnston
The Residents
Deerhunter
Broadcast
Shonen Knife
Ruins (Solo)

i wish/hope to attend

groening killin it.

the pavement one, which they do a good job of burying on the site:

* Pavement
* The Fall
* Faust
* Quasi
* Endless Boogie
* Enablers
* Broken Social Scene
* Mission of Burma
* Calexico
* The Raincoats
* Fiery Furnaces
* The Walkmen
* Omar Souleyman
* Atlas Sound
* Grails
* The Drones
* Saccharine Trust
* The Clean
* Wooden Shjips
* Sic Alps
* Pierced Arrows
* Spiral Stairs
* Blitzen Trapper
* The 3Ds
* Marble Valley
* The Authorities
* Wildbirds & Peacedrums

don't appreciate Groening choosing near 100% bands I'd love to see when it's looking less and less likely that I'll be able to afford it.

Just added The XX plus the band i'm reaaaally excited to add: Ponytail :-)

I said I don't appreciate it. :'(

Am also really bummed out I'm so skint :(

She & Him, Liars, Trash Kit now playing the Groening event. This one is gonna kill.

the groening thing looks ace. but no can afford. bah.

unless...JAMIE - GIVE ME A FREE TICKET.

*uses mind-control powers*

tell ya what G, if you give me just half the price of a ticket, I'll go and tell you everything that happens. Deal?

so it now looks like this as we added joanna newsom. wish Matt Groening was my dad.

IGGY & THE STOOGES / JOANNA NEWSOM / SPIRITUALIZED performing Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space (with strings, horns, choir) / SHE & HIM / THE XX / COCO ROSIE / BUILT TO SPILL / HOPE SANDOVAL & THE WARM INVENTIONS / JAMES CHANCE AND LES CONTORTIONS / PANDA BEAR / DEERHUNTER / DANIEL JOHNSTON / LIARS / THE RESIDENTS / BOREDOMS performing Boadrum / THE RAINCOATS / BROADCAST / THEE OH SEES / JUANA MOLINA / LIGHTNING DUST / KONONO N°1 / TOUMANI DIABATE / DANIELSON / JAMES BLACKSHAW / AMADOU AND MARIAM / PONYTAIL / SHONEN KNIFE / RUINS (SOLO) / VIV ALBERTINE'S LIMERENCE / ANNI ROSSI / COLD CAVE / THE TIGER LILLIES / THE FRESH AND ONLYS / HELLO SAFERIDE / TRASH KIT

ffs okay I'm off to spend half of my money on lottery tickets and the other half on a noose.

(I guess I must be pretty poor if a bit of rope = half of my money.)

put it on your credit card

That does look awesome. But it's a Primavera year this year. Unless anyone wants to fund a 'take the entirety of ilx to ATP' trip? No? ;_ ;

So the pavement line-up is complete now, last additions were Avi Buffalo, Surfer Blood, Times New Viking aaaand Terry Reid featuring Matt Sweeney.

does that mean there's more to be added to the Groening line-up?

I'm all booked up to go [smugbastard]

Yep maybe 5 more to come for Groening.

Ever since MoMA got the Tim Burton exhibit, everyone keeps asking me how I liked it when I wear my ATP Nightmare Before Christmas 08 hoodie.

Its because you're wearing it at the same time as your Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas official baseball cap.

hey Jamie or someone else with the inside knowledge - a last minute cash surge means the Groening fest is possibly possible for me, but since there are only three of us we're looking towards ebay or some such for a 3-berth - I know that you say tickets are non-transferable and I think the info pack says you're supposed to show your ID / credit card, but as I recall this doesn't actually happen - am I right here? Will I run in to problems beyond the inevitable person not sending me the tickets I've paid for?

email us at feedb✧✧✧@atpfesti✧✧✧.c✧✧ and we'll give you the full details

weird. feedback @ atpfestival.com is the one!

I'm in! Waheeeeeeeeey. Interesting to see that there are very few overlaps in the schedule - need I be concerned that this'll mean overflowing venues?

(I would also like to now offer my public farewells to my beloved Telecaster, which I'm selling in order to go to this. So long, darling.)

I was kind of worried about that, but I get the feeling it hasn't sold very well at all so I don't think there'll be that much pressure. Biggest queue based on past ATP history will undoubtedly be for Joanna Newsom (second set at D3ATP was queued most of the way through Nick Cave) but for those of us not that bothered about SPZ that's quite a good bot of scheduling.

ya, I am pleased to not really care about Spiritualized. Less pleased to have to choose between James Chance and Panda Bear, but since ATP is usually Sophie's Choice after Sophie's Choice I'll count my blessings.

I, incidentally, am a sad fuck who spreadsheeted it out, if anyone's interested (more useful when there are clashes, but I was bored): http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuPGUjKw2qDNdEI0d090MGE0aEpJTV9Oc0VFcGYzOGc&hl=en

That's easy, James Chance then what's left of Panda Bear.

Right, that was kind of a mixed bag. Very, very poorly attended which I guess meant you could get in to everything (MASSIVE CAVEAT TO THAT STATEMENT COMING THOUGH) but it also meant that when there was nothing you wanted to watch the place felt empty. Butlins obviously felt so too, because they appeared to support it less than any other time - most of the fast food stalls were shut, as were the bars some of the time. The bands:

Iggy and the Stooges - less fun than the Ron version, but a blast nonetheless. Iggy jokes about being the last dregs of the Stooges and you can almost see him working out whether he's still got Carlos Alomar's phone number for the Idiot/Lust For Life tour in 3 years. A very restrained version of the stage invasion from the first Minehead nightmare ensues during Shake Appeal, but it's all very civilised and (dare I say it) respectable.

Built To Spill - Meh is too complimentary a description for ATP RECORDINGS ARTISTS Built To Spill. Bland 90s indie bleh. This performance by ATP RECORDINGS ARTISTS Built To Spill is also the only thing I do not personally see Matt Groening at, which might tell a story if he wasn't at ATP RECORDINGS ARTISTS SPZ as well...

She & Him - vaguely pleasant, would have been ideal in the 3pm Pavillion stage slots we used to have in previous years but it all feels a bit like they have to be made a big deal of because of who She is. And you never know, they might be exactly where the budget disappeared to.

The xx - I watch part of the first set, but just don't get it. The vocal style screams ironic detachment to me and there isn't much interesting in the music to grab me otherwise. Sometime ILXor YMOF tries to convince me otherwise before he leaves The Raincoats for their second set, but I am not having it.

Hope Sandoval & The Warm Inventions - is this the weekend for trading under your name alone? Inconsequential, but pleasant enough with maybe one moment of real greatness in there (the Twin Peaks-y woozy thing near the end) this would be middle of the afternoon fodder if it was anyone else.

Daniel Johnston - I like Daniel's work but sometimes it feels overpowering because of the scale of it or that some elements of his audience listen to it in a very patronising way. This, then, is as stripped down as you can imagine. Daniel batters tunelessly at a bit of wood that appears to be intended as a guitar most of the time, at others he plays a small piano. He seems to have lost some teeth recently, which gives him an endearing lisp, but it's a genuinely affecting performance and one that is met with waves of applause. So much so that Daniel comes back out for an improvised (?) encore about a boy that commits suicide. Earlier we saw him watching Danielson eating a blue slushie and he seemed to be the happiest kid at Butlins.

James Chance & Les Contortions - IT'S JAMES FUCKING CHANCE. No explanations necessary. He hangs about on Sunday at the merch tables signing autographs for Japanese hipsters and observing him up close you realise just how fried he is until, that is, he's called on for a second to be JAMES FUCKING CHANCE. A legend.

Liars - Liars are very angry young men. I do not enjoy them very much. I wish they sounded like they did when I first saw them touring "We Drowned..." but you can't go back in time.

The Residents - expected to enjoy them, ended up loving them. A set split between country covers and 'regular' Residents material, I could have watched a whole show of either. This year's "come home and spend lots of money" band.

Boredoms performing Boadrum - a joy to behold. EYE has added a second guitar totem pole and the set features a drumkit moving through the crowd on an elevated platform (Yojiro the first set, Kids Millions (?) the second). Better ears than mine may well identify it as a re-run of Boadrum 9.

Broadcast - Blimey, Trish is a grumpy bastard. Cheer up luv, it might never happen! Her telling people to fuck off and die aside, a thoroughly lovely time is had by the few people who can be arsed to attend.

Thee Oh Sees - garagey punky garage punk. Fall? Cramps? Whatever. A highlight.

Konono N°1 - krauty as fuck, my one criticism is that when they hit a lock groove they don't hold it for nearly long enough for my tastes. But I'm being picky. I need to go to the Bristol show tomorrow now, I think.

Danielson - used to love them, but they've turned into too much of a band since the last time I saw them and there's a joyful noise nowhere to be seen in their set until Did I Step On Your Trumpet at the end. Daniel announces they are doing one more song, but despite having nearly 5 minutes to go they are unceremoniously hauled off. Puzzling, but no more bizarre than some of the other stage management decisions over the weekend.

Amadou & Mariam - better than I thought they'd be, because I was kind of worried I'd hate it. Maybe the ideal accompaniment to the Angry Whopper, or at least that's the pitch I'm selling to Burger King.

Shonen Knife - nearly 20 years on, Shonen Knife are the same band they ever were. Which is no bad thing in their case since the band they have always been is Shonen Knife. We get songs about going to barbecues, a cover of 'Jet' by Wings and my favourite, a tribute to "British 70s heavy rock like Richie Blackmore and Ronnie James Dio". Which appears to be called 'Bloody Bollocks Hell'. Awesome.

Ruins (Solo) - incredible stuff, but almost too much to take in. There's a sequence of classical music, and a sequence of prog classics. How do you describe Ruins to people who haven't heard them? I'm not sure I can.

Cold Cave - do I like this because I remember 1980? Probably. A cross between Travelogue era Human League and New Order, played slightly ineptly by teenagers, which is a good thing in my book. Their merch guy looks about 15 and stands really nervously like the band have been forced to play at the school assembly and he is sure the big boys are going to take the piss out of him at some point. Luckily they are over in time for their bed on a school night.

The Tiger Lillies - a perfect Sunday afternoon tonic with tales of death, freaks, death, wanking, death and crucifying Jesus. Which the drummer plays with mallets. I will not miss them in the future.

The Fresh & Onlys - competent. That's about it.

The utter clusterfuck that was Spiritualized/Joanna Newsom/The Raincoats deserves comments on its own. I COULD NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ATP RECORDINGS ARTISTS SPIRITUALIZED. That is not enough, apparently, and nobody is allowed to go into Joanna Newsom until they have finished leading to a massive queue (apparently it runs outside and all the way through the fairground). The security guard tells us it is because Joanna cannot soundcheck in under two hours, then immediately flashes an "I know it's bullshit but it's what I've been told to tell you" look. We finally get inside about 15 minutes after JN was due to start and it's very nice, if a little quiet. We'd always planned to watch The Raincoats though, so leave after about half an hour for Reds. Just as they are due to start, the venue announces that the promoter has held them back for 25 minutes because of what is happening upstairs. 25 minutes later they take the stage but are not allowed to play until it is absolutely certain that JN has completely finished. We get some jokes for about another 10 minutes, with comedy shushing if we laugh too loud, then finally a great set of post-punk shapes. But the evening is lost.

If I didn't already have tickets for the godspeed event then I suspect Sunday would have done ATP for me for good. The lack of respect for the audience from Foundation is astonishing, and it's now clear there's an in crowd that get priviliges and there's everyone else. A couple of years ago Low got shoved on the Pavillion stage, and there aren't many quieter bands than that. So what was wrong with putting JN on there? It smacks of needing to give her headline status because of her popularity, but not wanting to take being the final band on the Pavillion away from ATP RECORDINGS ARTISTS Spiritualized. I realise I could be conflicted when the next May event gets announced, but I think I can live with it.

I had a great time, as usual, but please allow me to like what I want to like and see what I want to see.

Agree with a lot of what u said there with some caveats. Personally I'm a bit of a wire-reading chin stroker beardo who still thinks autechre 03 was about as good as it ever got and still thinks it's shame that it went from being a pretty excellent avant-garde/experimental festival to something very corporate-y, by-the-numbers, and sort of pitchfork approved. My gf picked up the film last year and I was very disappointed that the early years were basically reduced to a 10 second Russell haswell clip.

The branding thing has reached ridiculous proportions with stupid "secret" shows and organised vice-style chalet parties. A friend of mine said that on the Saturday she turned up at a "chalet party" that was organised by ATP - signs on the door announced that ATP were filming it presumably for the 15 year anniversary DVD.

As regards the spiritualised thing we felt the queuing etc totally ruined the end of the festival. However I don't think there was a grand conspiracy behind it to make sure there was a crowd for spiritualised - they are a very big deal for a lot of people beyond their status as "ATP RECORDING ARTISTS" (not particularly to me but I could care less about JN as well tbh) and it wasn't a surprise that they would headline the festival. It doesn't seem unlikely that JN would take a long time to soundcheck particularly if as I heard her flight had been delayed and she'd turned up late.

It doesn't seem unlikely that JN would take a long time to soundcheck

^^^^^^^^^^

If you'd had the misfortune of seeing one of her shows before, you wouldn't have been at all surprised.

autechre 03 was about as good as it ever got

I was reminiscing this weekend about just how blinding that was.

Yeah I was saying 03 was the best to this random American guy I met and realised the demographic might have changed a bit when I had to explain to him who autechre were , although I guess they're probably not so well known outside of the uk.

It seems it is a period the organisers would best like to forget, but any festival with the fall, aphex twin, sunn0))), the magic band, Venetian snares, carl craig, dj stingray, public enemy, kool Keith, el-p, coil, jim o'rourke, just to name a few, just about ticks every box for me. And to think they tried to book busta rhymes as well...

Sorry not carl craig, I was thinking of a guy called gerald. What a great bill!

Anyway enough with the past, despite the above I really, really enjoyed the following sets:

Panda Bear
Boredoms x 2
Toumani Diabate
Spiritualised
The Stooges
The XX
Deerhunter
The Residents

The rest of it I was fairly ambivalent towards, except for CocoRosie who I though were just horrible.

Mainly though I went to gawp at Matt Groening and get my Simpsons boxset signed.

It seems it is a period the organisers would best like to forget

Ehh I was at that Autechre weekend and it owned but it was one of the v few they've done that lost money (inc the one that just happened by the sounds) and since then other ppl have took up the mantle as regards most of that bill (Dedbeat, Bloc and Bang Face weekender mainly) so I think there are perfectly valid reasons why they haven't really f'ed with that sort of lineup since

i was also at the autechre one and yes it was the best

it's shame that it went from being a pretty excellent avant-garde/experimental festival to something very corporate-y, by-the-numbers, and sort of pitchfork approved.

otm

other ppl have took up the mantle as regards most of that bill (Dedbeat, Bloc and Bang Face weekender mainly)

yeah this is true but i don't necessarily want them to re-create that autechre lineup again and again. i guess the point is that a festival where a different person is chosen to curate every year should leave huge possibility for variation + different kinds of music. instead it seems to have converged to this steady-state lineup (probably due to the international festivals + the record label and the whole branding etc) which i'm not really interested in. i'll probably go again tho because it's always a fun weekend regardless.

Am going to the pavement one and the lineup is so one-note pavement-like forebears/copyists it's pretty depressing tbh. The groening line-up seems like a feast of eclecticism by comparison.

It was never an "avant-garde/experimental festival", stuff that actually fits that description has always been totally in the minority and when this hasn't been the case they've tended to sell like shit. I'm a looooong way from being a stan for this festival and probably won't attend any of them this year but folks are pretty unrealistic about what ppl's tastes are actually like

i just want some bands that sound a bit different from each other :/

Maybe calling it experimental is too strong, but it definitely had a more definite defined curatorial edge to it which is what attracted it to me in the first place. Now half the time they don't even have a "curator" as such, they book far less bands it seems, and when they do have a curator it is very suspicious how many ATP recordings artists they appear to like.

I know it is never going to go back to what it was, festivals like bangface and supersonic cater to the niche, and that is fine it is still a bloody good weekend. You can't deny though that it has lost some of its charm thanks to the very overt ways in which the organisers try to sell this mythic ATP experience and airbrush over the bits that don't quite sit right with the pitchfork / vice crowd.

In short I'm getting old...

Can't speak for the overseas lineups, but at ATP NY there were, of course, a number of ATP recording artists on the lineup -- but they were focused on the day curated by ATP -- whereas the chosen "curators" (MBV, Flaming Lips) would not really venture into ATP territory on their given days.

The Thurston Moore Nightmare Before Xmas had quite an 'out' line-up and that sold out, right?

Yeah that was the one exception - no dance stuff tho iirc, basically I think that people who are primarily into electronic music just do not give a flying one about ATP

You say that, but it also had:

Deerhoof (ATP artists)
Iggy and the Stooges
Melvins
Sonic Youth
Alexander Tucker (ATP artist)
Bardo Pond (ATP artists)
Dinosaur Jr.
Mats Gustaffson + Eye (left in for Boredoms content)
plus Flipper, Go4, Negative Approach, MC5 reformations shows

which makes it look more like every other ATP than you'd think it did.

Who cares if it looks "like every other ATP" when that list of artists is pretty much uniformly godhead?

Btw, Bardo Pond are more so a longtime Matador band than ATP, which they joined relatively recently for a couple releases, and their less "major release" shit comes out on other labels, including Three Lobed and others.

Not sure how long Deerhoof have been on ATP (is this UK only?), but they've mostly been on Kill Rock Stars here in the states.

Alexander Tucker I believe has mostly been on ATP.

Really, though -- who cares what label these guys are on when the music's great?

Cannot believe we're complaining about the *inclusion* of Melvins, Boredoms, Bardo Pond, Gang of Four, Stooges, Sonic Youth, Flipper, Mats Gustaffson... I would be thrilled to see any of those names on, say, Coachella (or any other washed-up, even-more-corporate ca$h cow festival).

Sorry -- rant over.

People who are into the intersection of electronic music and ATP music do not have enough friends to fill a chalet and go to festivals where they can buy tickets in 1s and 2s instead.

(I kid, except, I'm in this category. poss substitute "rich enough, music-digging enough" for "enough")

even if you're gonna complain about that list of artists at the Thurston Nightmare, it did have about sixty bands in total!

I stuck with Joanna Newsom till the end, when she was about to play something before apparently being told she had no time left after a 45 or 50 minute long set (my friends confirmed that there was no encore despite the demand), then I headed to The Raincoats where I too hung around for 20 minutes or so before they got the all clear. What's that all about then. They then ended up overlapping quite precisely with The xx, who were supposed to come on when The Raincoats finished, so take THAT, anyone who wanted to see both of them.

I could join in the complaints, but hey I saw about fifteen bands I thought were great and another ten or so I thought were between good and really really good, so I have little right. Actually ATP could have put on Boredoms and slowly flayed me over the rest of the weekend and I'd have been happy. I understand the complaints, though. I'm guessing it would've been seen as a bit embarrassing to have a couple of hundred people watching Spiritualized as there were during the encore when everyone noticed the mighty queue. Also, why the 2am shut-down on Sunday? We are responsible enough to dance the night through and get out of our chalets by 10, we promise.

I am also now old enough to understand why they have the on site masseuses. God is my body broken.

I dig plenty of electronic/dance stuff, too... but I don't expect a festival that's already serving up an incredible variety of acts in other genres to cover every single base of stuff that I'm into.

xp

the only case of this ATP-favouritism I have any complaints about is Alexander Tucker, whose music I like fine but I don't entirely buy that he's quite popular or celebrated enough to have been selected for multiple ATPs and supported at every ATP-promoted gig ever. God knows how many times I've happened to see that guy. But I would gladly watch, say, Deerhoof or Lightning Bolt five times daily for the rest of my life.

Yep, Alexander Tucker does tend to show his face at pretty much every ATP event -- a bit too often. His music's just fine, though, unlike fellow ATP recording artists Sleepy Sun... aptly named, as "sleepy" is precisely how I felt watching their live show. Here's hoping they don't get the Tucker treatment and start hauling their asses to every ATP henceforth.

i've seen Deerhoof and Lighting Bolt and a bunch of the ones Aldo listed - Flipper? NA? di they play that many? - probably a couple times each in the past and enjoyed them, but i'd much rather see something new. or maybe it just feels like certain bands have played more than they really have. i mean, how many times *have* Lightning Bolt played?

i just think they need to cast the net out with curators. how bout Byron Coley or something? i don't really give a fuck about what Explosions in the Sky. but then i don'think i fit the typical dude for most of the recent festivals.

anyway, gripes aside, i'm still going to the pavement one but only really because a bunch of friends are going. and the SPACEBOWL, duh.

I saw Lightning Bolt play four times at one a couple of years back, that has probably coloured my mind re their ever-presentness.

I would like if they split their two summer ones into a big one at Minehead and a smaller, weirder, more diverse one at Camber Sands. Probably not too likely.

i just think they need to cast the net out with curators. how bout Byron Coley or something? i don't really give a fuck about what Explosions in the Sky

^^^^^^^^^

i just think they need to cast the net out with curators. how bout Byron Coley or something? i don't really give a fuck about what Explosions in the Sky think

OK, I'll admit now my main source of grief with the whole SPZ/JN queuing fiasco is that I fucked my knee on Saturday and another of our party was in a wheelchair so with none of us caring about SPZ one iota getting upstairs to JN where there was a bar and we could sit down was a priority and might have coloured how pissed off I was with the rest of it.

Now I have calmed down a little, I see my issues are the same as tpp's with talking about a 'steady state lineup'. I too don't necessarily have a problem with the extract from the Thurston Moore weekend I posted earlier, however, Deerhoof have played 8 ATPs to date. Melvins have played 6. Sonic Youth have played 8. Bardo Pond have played 7. Dinosaur Jr have played 4 (I could have sworn it was more, although none of these include when these bands have played multiple sets.) It seems to me they define the same old crowd. (For reference, Lightning Bolt have played 8.)

I'd argue Explosions In The Sky is a bad choice for representing a bad weekend, as it was the most hip-hop once since Autechre (Raekwon, Ghostface, De La Soul) and also had Adem, Four Tet and Saul williams in addition to a handful of relatively obscure Japanese bands and maybe the strongest alt-country line up of any year.

I'm probably just too old for it all, to be honest. Piles of people walking round round in ironic 80s clothes (seriously, how into it do you have to be to get a haircut ironically?) just annoys me more than anything else. The pride the guy who had the Thriller leather jacket was wearing it with was just beyond a joke.

Yrs,

Grumpy.

so so many moustaches, too. Never seen so many in my life.

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you're right about Wu Tang, actually. worth it for them alone for hearing Raekwon tell everyone that autograph time was over cause he 'had to take a shit'

Maybe calling it experimental is too strong, but it definitely had a more definite defined curatorial edge to it

yeah this is what i was trying to say really. the crowd has definitely changed a lot since the first one i went to (shellac) most notably at that atp vs. pitchfork one (rip camber) which was full of london scene douchebags.

coley wrote the booklet for the thurston moore curated NIGHTMARE and im pretty sure had a hand in the programming, too

ATP vs Pitchfork was definitely the worst in terms of the crowd (as I recall tonnes of people seemed to go home after the Saturday, although I can't remember why that would have been), the ones I've been to since then have been closer to the old ways. First one I went to was Malkmus / SYouth / Foundation as a naive 18-year-old though, so I can only judge the developments in a minor way.

i just think they need to cast the net out with curators. how bout Byron Coley or something?

dude I have max respect for Byron Coley but what planet are you on

I'm going to the Pavement one, and it looks like a pretty unremitting diet of US indie rock, similar to the Shellac year. Still very much looking forward to it.

One thing that has always annoyed me about ATP is Barry Hogan. He always manages to say something passive-aggressive and charmless in his program notes. I remember one year he made some borderline racist remarks about So Solid Crew being criminals, for no apparent reason.

For me it really isn't about whether there is electronic music or not. As I said it is curatorial aspect that has been lost and with it the surprise and spontaneity. I want to be able to look at the bill and not know who 90% of the bands are, trusting in the wisdom of the curator to make sure I am entertained. I realise this puts me deeply in the minority of people, but I cannot nor ever will be able to understand ppl who think they really need to see deerhoof more than once in their lifetime.

dude I have max respect for Byron Coley but what planet are you on

not gonna happen, i know.

Sorry to keep harping on, but someone made the claim up-thread that Autechre 2003 lost money or was poorly attended. According to this http://drownedinsound.com/news/6162-atp-2003-sold-out-and-lineup-confirmed it did actually sell out.

Here's a note about the Autechre lineup (per discussion upthread on the merits of "unheard" acts at these sort of festivals):

The lists of bands have been around for a while, but here's the full running order for each room and day, you won't have heard of most of them, but that's kind of the whole point.

Nowadays you can predict most any ATP lineup, just pick about half of these bands and then add in another dozen or so similar acts that fit the basic "underground rock" calling card:

SPIRITUALIZED
SHELLAC
TORTOISE
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY
DEERHOOF
MOGWAI
FUCK BUTTONS
BOREDOMS performing BOADRUM
MELVINS
DIRTY THREE
SUNN O)))
BARDO POND
EL-P
STEPHEN MALKMUS + JICKS
MODEST MOUSE
LIGHTNING BOLT
OM
GROWING
APSE
ALEXANDER TUCKER
SLEEPY SUN
THE DRONES

Look, I just curated my own ATP!

onimo might attend ATP curated by ilxor

Haha... it's not a knock on the acts themselves, I'd attend that one, too!

More a jab at the somewhat "autopilot" curating...

It's a good list of bands, but not really repetitive when you actually look at the line-ups. Ignoring the 10th Birthday (which was billed as a rehash of past curators and ATP artists) and the American/Australian versions (because if you're crossing continents to go you lose your right to complain about seeing the same bands) the past 9 ATP's have included:

Explosions in the Sky:
-Explosions in the Sky

Patton/Melvins:
-Melvins

Fans 2:
-Spiritualized (acoustic set), Fuck Buttons (chosen by fans), Sleepy Sun

Breeders
-Shellac

My Bloody Valentine
-Dirty Three, Lightning Bolt

Matt Groening:
-Spiritualized (with orchestra), Boredoms

Pavement:
-Drones

Godspeed:
-Deerhoof, Bardo Pond, Growing

Belle and Sebestian:
-none

Max three from the list, only one repeat which was Spiritualized; once acoustic and once with orchestra.

Ah okay, that makes a lot more sense, actually (I'm in the USA). We got all these folks at just two ATP NY events:

SHELLAC
TORTOISE
DEERHOOF
FUCK BUTTONS
BOREDOMS performing BOADRUM
MELVINS
DIRTY THREE
BARDO POND
EL-P
LIGHTNING BOLT
OM
GROWING
APSE
ALEXANDER TUCKER
SLEEPY SUN
THE DRONES

Includes Shellac twice, of course.

you won't have heard of most of them, but that's kind of the whole point.

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Pretty sure some kid writing on Drowned In Sound in 2003 isn't the arbiter of what their booking policy is or indeed whether I've heard of such total nomarks as, say, Carl Craig or LFO

(if that one did sell out I take that bit back obv - there's still no need for one much like it again when Bloc does more or less the same thing at least as well)

I also found this one quite disappointing: felt like a smaller lineup (say compared to D3ATP), under attended, more Butlin's attractions seemed closed, the botched-up timing at the end indeed, less atmosphere and earlier closing time at the Crazy Horse,...
Still better than other festivals though :)

Max three from the list, only one repeat which was Spiritualized; once acoustic and once with orchestra.

Okay, I knew instinctively that you were wrong, so I went for the most blindingly obvious one. And what did I find? Why, that Shellac played in 2000, 2002, two of the festivals in 2004, 2007 and 2009.

(I'm not going to get into whether repeats etc are bad this time around - I'm going to the festival tomorrow and am hella excited, and was gutted that I missed last weekend, so that's obviously saying something.)

Okay, I knew instinctively that you were wrong, so I went for the most blindingly obvious one. And what did I find? Why, that Shellac played in 2000, 2002, two of the festivals in 2004, 2007 and 2009

I only went back the last 9 UK festivals (as mentioned above and reiterated by only showing the names of the ones I was including), I was more responding to people saying the festival is becoming more repetitive and predictable when the latest UK ones have very few bands in common.

I'm well aware that you can find lots of bands playing multiple times, but you would have to try really hard to see a band more than once within 3 years. Like earlier someone mentioned Sonic Youth had played 8 times (even more if you count Thurston Moore solo), but you would have to include the UK festivals, the stage at Primavera, the Don't Look Back stage at the Pitchfork festival, the ATP's in LA, and the ones NY. I doubt anyone other than Barry would have been in attendence for all 8.

Finally don't get me wrong I like that ATP pulls out some of the same bands, because generally they are amazing live and help make ATP something special (seeing Shellac at ATP is almost some sort of ritual which I have no problem repeating). I think ATP are doing something great and hate to hear people putting down the festival for being the same and predictable every year when its not really the case.

I think ATP are doing something great and hate to hear people putting down the festival for being the same and predictable every year when its not really the case.

My problem is not so much that it's the same names as that it's mostly variations on the same genre i.e. underground/alt/post rock blah blah. I mean it wouldn't hurt them to put on some free jazz sometimes.

I only went back the last 9 UK festivals

Huh, for some reason I thought you meant nine years, which was pretty arbitrary, but not quite as arbitrary as just randomly choosing to only count the last nine festivals. And the later justification of 'few repeats over three years' doesn't work for festivals. If you only went to one gig every ten years but it was always Shellac, you wouldn't say that you're not being repetitive because you hadn't been seeing them every day in between.

it wouldn't hurt them to put on some free jazz sometimes.

They do!

it wouldn't hurt them to put on some free jazz sometimes.

They do!

Maybe they have done, I'd be interested to know who though (I'm not up on each and every bill).

My problem is not so much that it's the same names as that it's mostly variations on the same genre i.e. underground/alt/post rock blah blah. I mean it wouldn't hurt them to put on some free jazz sometimes.

OTM and what I was getting at really.

I think people saying "well you should just go to Bloc" are missing my point a little. Aside from the fact that Autechre 03 != Bloc, my problem isn't that it is X genre and not Y genre,it is that it doesn't really feel like a curator-led festival any more.

have we discussed the Animal Collective one at all? http://www.atpfestival.com/events/atpanimalcollective.php the lineup seems already to be diverging at least a bit from that ATP house style that was being criticised here. Maybe not. I dunno. But I've made my deposit anyway. (Now to develop some money management skills so I can pay the second installment.)

I dunno most of those artists seem pretty normal for ATP to me. Not in a bad way, really.

Is this the main ATP thread? Who's going to Bowlie 2?

Going to gybe.

This is definitely my last, fuck this membership shite. People on other boards were giving them the benefit of the doubt to see how things panned out, but this is just fucking peachy: http://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1011051419.php

Here is the next set of shows we can offer ATP members extra free tickets for.

12th December - Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Bristol Anson Rooms
SOLD OUT

30th December - Sonic Youth + The Pop Group - Manchester Academy
SOLD OUT

So you're holding back tickets from the public, just to give them to people in your special club? Seriously, fuck you very much Foundation.

No, we're giving a tiny amount of what would have been guestlist spaces to people who've already bought tickets so they can bring an extra person. Which is pretty cool we think. There are no extra tickets for member to buy as such. Both of those shows had tickets on sale for weeks so everyone had a chance to get them.

Pretty sure gybe in Bristol sold out on the day of sale (didn't care tbh, shit venue and was going to Minehead anyway, plus not 100% I even actually want to see them that much).

Another interpretation of what you've just said is that you're letting people pay to be your mates. For a fee, people get to ask to be on Foundation's guest list. Isn't this the sort of thing you used to do as competitions? Or announce for sale? Pretty sure I've seen plenty of "production chalets suddenly available!" news items over the years.

How many spaces are there, out of interest?

I'm not asking you to be Fugazi or anything, but y'know, this is really fucked.

It was on sale for a few weeks at least.

This is no different from any other loyalty scheme. We did a survey and lots of people told us they'd be interested in a members scheme, so we set one up, people get a bunch of stuff up front when they become a member and then when they've again shown loyalty by buying tickets for shows, sometimes we will give them an extra ticket.

I wouldn't say it's particularly mercenary given that we could have easily just sold them all instead, and also how common membership/loyalty schemes are nowadays. If we were charging a high price to become a member i'd see your point, but as it is the membership payment just covers the things you get sent up front.

We'd never hold back a large amount to stop non members getting tickets. When we release production holds for the festivals it's because we don't know until a few months before the event how many band members and crew we need accommodation for. when we do we often need less chalets than we thought we had to hold back, so they can go on sale.

I'm not getting into an extended fight over this, because I've said before that this one is more than likely my last, but seriously, I found this upthread:

The branding thing has reached ridiculous proportions with stupid "secret" shows and organised vice-style chalet parties. A friend of mine said that on the Saturday she turned up at a "chalet party" that was organised by ATP - signs on the door announced that ATP were filming it presumably for the 15 year anniversary DVD.

If you can't see how, if there are people who think like that (and that wasn't me) on a thread YOU'RE FUCKING READING, anybody could get pissed off reading on your website that you are charging people for

priority booking on selected shows, access to members area on ATP website, invitations to special ATP members only events and eligibility for special members only competitions and shop sales

TS:

as it is the membership payment just covers the things you get sent up front

costs £25 + (bf to cover transaction) for the initial year and £10 renewal per year

I think the person quoted is a bit misinformed or confused. There are extra shows arranged sometimes, which we put posters up to announce, but not really any secret ones. Yes bands sometimes play extra shows in their chalets but these are usually open to anyone they invite in. There are no special "vice-style" chalet parties organised by ATP. It's possible other people put things like that on but its without our knowledge or permission; I've no idea where the bit about signs on the door comes from because we already put a disclaimer on every ticket saying that we reserve permission to film attendees across the event so a sign like that wouldn't be necessary.

If people don't want to be a member, that's fine and their ATP experience won't be any different than before. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything, as I said all shows will have all ticket types on sale to the public just like before, and with all the usual discounts. In that regard I'd say it's probably better than something like the Barbican or Royal Festival Hall membership where all tickets go on sale to members weeks before the public, sometimes with no good seats held back for the general on-sale. But for those who are ATP regulars and go to every event the membership is a way to reward them with some cool perks, but it's not something that can be run for free because we're not a charity and it takes time and money to run something like this.

We haven't 100% confirmed future things we might send out, but as the membership is by year, £10 seems like a reasonable renewal fee given the benefits.

I can see where people would think this was going to create two teirs of people coming to ATP, but we've done our best to ensure it doesn't negatively effect anyone that doesn't become a member and that membership isn't an unreasonable financial burden on anyone.

Do you know if The Frogs will be playing any other UK shows around the Animal Collective ATP or if it might be possible for them to do so? I'd love to see them in Glasgow...

Jamie_ATP -

Does ATP have any kind of "exclusivity" clause that prevents performers from playing other nearby shows before or after their ATP appearance? Not being accusatory, but am curious since quite a few established festivals have been dictating this in their contracts.

Occasionally if the name is a big one and we are relying on them as the main selling point of a festival we may, but obviously keeping good relations with bands means not tying them into things like that that would piss them off and not make them want to work with us again. But exclusivity agreements are very common and almost standard practice (even if they're not written into contracts); and not just with festivals (most promoters for example don't want bands announcing another show with a different promoter 2 weeks before their one in the same town) and that's not a recent development from my experience.

don't know about any other Frogs shows yet as its a good way off, but try emailing them, always worth a shot

Thanks. I will try to find an appropriate email address.

One of the highlights of the weekend was Barry Hogan's jilted teenage girl handbags strop in the programme about (presumably) how The Wire said something not complimentary about him recently.

Of course, I expect a DON'T YOU SEE, IT WAS A JOEK response.

Context for everyone else:

we have been described by magazines like the wire as losing our edge and as i am sure their entire readership will be in attendance this weekend they can decide upon that - there's only fourteen of them so it shouldn't take that long.

What a prick.

decent zing tbh

he has an unsympathetic persona shall we say

I had a v good time at this though, esp yesterday evening which featured most of my favourite stuff - Emeralds were next level and Weird Al brought irl lols

xp not really, given that it's basically a self-sustaining entity in an era where it's nigh on impossible to get ppl to actually buy magazines

I found Weird Al a bit chaotic because of all the costume changes, enjoyed Keiji Haino much more. Missed Emeralds for Boban i Marko Markovic and although they were great fun enough people have told me Emeralds were awesome I'm fairly sure I missed out on something special.

Biggest disappointment for me was Josephine Foster, but that wasn't her fault - if she'd been as loud as Marissa Nadler she would have been fine but an unsympathetic audience early on the Friday talking all the way through kind of ruined it.

the only good thing about weird al was that i managed to avoid hearing any of him.

emeralds were fantastic, a really lovely snarl of sounds. on the other hand i understand the boban i marko markovic orkestar did a human pyramid? i would have liked to have seen that.

awesome tapes from africa was especially a delight, perfect way to end the weekend

i am sad i managed to miss hangedup - did anyone catch them? were they good?

Another ilxor loved them. I was watching Maher Shalal Hash Baz which was great in parts.

hangedup were just wonderful in mtl a couple weeks ago.

Sorry to miss several ILX people but my pregnant lady needed attention at the allotted meeting time. Oneida, Neurosis, Emeralds and Boban were end of level boss.

No problem, these things happen.

am I still banned?

I'm on the plane going back home wistfully reading your accounts of the weekend :)

My plane just landed in the States. More from me tonight. Amazing and inspiring times, ilxors

yessss whiney's back

godspeed you! whiney g.

Really enjoyed Saturday gy!be, 2nd Neurosis, Emeralds, Growing (while it lasted) & good comic relief from Weird Al. Acropolis was good to drop into for the odd bit throughout the day.

I was disappointed with most of Friday - went upstairs at 4.30pm for Dreamcatcher (4pm-5pm) to find everyone leaving as it was finished, then into Reds for Josephine Foster who was drowned out by being a quiet artist in the same room as the fucking arcade meaning she was quieter than the fucking air hockey, then Growing were good but again only played half of their allotted slot (seriously why in the fuck can't a band fill an hour when they're presumably paid for an hour while other bands are forced off stage despite wanting to play on and not holding anyone else back?), then the big 8.30-10pm Pavilion Stage "tbc" artist turned out to be someone playing a Throbbing Gristle cd for an hour and a half in tribute to Sleazy. Can't help feeling robbed of about 4 or 5 hours of live music out of all of that.

<3 Bardo Pond as well but they're really not a first thing on a Saturday afternoon kind of band.

i found the throbbing gristle thing kind of affecting, actually

also atp staff kept coming round with drinks and saying 'these are from sleazy', which did not get old

it was kind of annoying that a lot of mistimed starts/ends led to occasional 15-minute patches with nothing to see, but, you know, you can always get a drink - anyway, with the use of the crazy horse as an extra performance venue i'm pretty sure there was about 40% more music in total than there was at the mbv festival last year?

Is that bitch about the Wire a direct quote? What a dick.

So sad to miss out this winter, though. I particularly wanted to see Maher Shalal Hash Baz. Using Crazy Horse as a venue sounds like a good idea - one of the things I've always said was worse about Minehead was that the pubs lack the sense of community you got at Camber, so adding extra stuff in them would probably go some way to rectifying that.

i thought the Wire joke was awesome! I mean, it seemed more like some jokey Nas/Jay-Z dis war zinging than like a legit "fuck off." I mean, obviously if Barry had legit beef with The Wire than five or six of the artist bios wouldn't have had the quotes from The Wire used to justify/legitimize their status as legendary noisers.

OK, here's my top 5:

1. Charlemagne Palestine - The drone hero held a little ritual with his stuffed animals and cognac. Everyone in the room was very quiet and reverent and dude laid down some meditative ooze for an hour. He played a wine glass and sang and eventually turned into a crescendo of noise. Loved this line: "[a wine glass], the original synthesizer. A perfect sine wave with a cognac inside... Paradise!"

And even though most of the ppl I talked to were def @ ATP for GYBE, and the rock-leaning shows (like Deerhoof, Neurosis, Bardo Pond) had the strongest turnouts, there was a more-than-modest, very visible, VERY RABID noise/avant following there and dudes like C. Palestine, Flower Corsano, John Butcher, F. Lopez, Daniel Menche etc. And dudes were given honored with RAPTUROUS cheers at the end of their sets which was super.

2. Mike Watt - Watt played his new opera all the way through (it's only available in Japan for some reason), and his band was just smoking hot the entire time. Very Minutemen vibe on the new stuff—the most of his three operas to feel that way—so the energy level was way up. Sad I only caught two or three minutes of him blessing the Ocropolis.

3. Weird Al - This was huge for me. Weird Al was actually my GATEWAY into college/alternative/indie music. When he hosted his Al-TV show on MTV in 1988, I was 8 years old and exposed to Devo, Talking Heads, They Might Be Giants, Steinski, Mojo Nixon, Fishbone—pretty much cementing my love of "alt" music. Dude's voice was shot and one of the video screens wasn't working (they had like ALL DAY to get it right, ffs), but Al totally brought it. I had many IRL lols.

It was neat too because I think Al really held his own as an avant-garde musician in the lineup. His paints are basically other people's music, which is def a fairly brilliant use the tenets established by post-modernism, pop art, the situationists, Dadaism, etc... Also, I have to say seeing him parody Kurt Cobain (in full sweater/hair/costume) to a festival crowd who pretty much exists BECAUSE of Kurt Cobain was both enthralling and tense and touching all at one. His a cappella closer medley was one of the most artfucky things I saw all weekend, kind of bursting through a random smattering of 100 years of planet earth's music (luau jams, the Disney Haunted Mansion theme, Frere Jacques) and proving dude is totally up on Indonesian kecak music(!) like whoa.

4. Nomeansno - blistering

5. Godspeed You Black Emperor - Gotta say I was never exactly into this band before this weekend. I always thought they were my-first-art-rock-band for doughy Scott Pigrims to make earnest love to the type of girls that unperson hates. Or like an MP3 folder for rateyourmusic prog goons to occassionally listen to something that wasn't Tool.

I had every intention of leaving mid-set to see Philip Jeck, but dudes seriously hooked me in for all two hours on Friday. They sounded gorgeous, monumental, etc. I really quickly, really intesely kind of saw what all the fuss was about. Some real moving stuff, for real.

Extra love to seeing Tim Hecker, Black Dice and Growing (all of who've seen multiple times) on a big PA where they all sounded ill. Francisco Lopez handed out blindfolds and took us on a little sonic adventure. The Oh Sees let er rip at like 2 am, and was def a burst of energy I needed at that hour.

And the gas face goes to all the gross food.

cool story bro

j/k, great recap, wish i was there etc. that sounds awesome!

wtffff @ overlapping gybe & philip jeck tho

eh if you insist on playing two-and-a-bit-hour sets you're going to make a rod for your own back wrt clashes, really

I went for Charlemagne Palestine so I'm super glad it was someone else's highlight too!

This was a really good weekend and I definitely want to go again.

did any of you guys catch the dead c, keiji haino, cluster, flower/corsano, rangda, borbetomagus, wolves in the throne room, etc.?

more anecdotes plz! i would have LOVED to have been there

Puzzleworth co-sign. This was my second ATP @ Butlins. It's expensive and an enormous pain in the ass to come over from America, but if they keep having lineups this good, I'll continue making the trek.

Dead C was oppressively loud and slow until they sounded almost like a sloppy metal band. Cluster was very dubby and murky and blissful but the soundsystem in the pavilion didn't do their sound any favors. Flower/Corsano totally fucking killed it with just a manic blur of joynoize and the crowd went absolutely apeshit. Borbetomagas was hindered by a good 20 minutes of tech problems. Watching Dietrich fight with the soundguy was fucking agonzing because the soundguy was trying to say "I plugged your sax into the DI" and Dietrich kept listening to the amp like it was gonna work and the power was totally off. He eventually got some sound, but was clearly totally pissed off the whole time. (lol when Miller introduced th band and said "Jim Sauter on sax, Ben Dietrich on problems." Good set, but I've seen em once before and I can confirm they are totally ON when their shit actually works.

I missed Rangda and Wolves. Wolves was clearly one of the HUGEST draws there (big metal hoodie contingent this year), but it was like 12:30 am on the last day and I went to the cinema to rest my feet. (Grave error since a lot of the films were about butchering cows and anal fisting—plus they were from a DVD so you could totally see the "projector lines" and bittorrent static on a lot of them. Lame)

I honestly can't believe there was a time when this epic weekend had Throbbing Gristle booked too!

Borbetomagas

i have not heard of this band

O_O at missing rangda, everything else sounds cool to some degree tho

also: haino?

ATPs are all about savvy scheduling! I saw Rangda in NYC like a month ago, and their set got bumped to opposite Charlemagne Palestine, so I feel I made the right choice there. Haino was playing opposite the tail end of Weird Al's, so as much as I love Haino, I had to go with my gut.

I think my only real scheduling boner was sticking around to see more of Neurosis's boring set than I should have and missing 95% of Watt in the Ocropolis.

Borbetomagus were really not up my street - everyone seemed really into them but I just found the whole thing annoying - guess I need some semblance of structure to my noise.

also, a seagull stole my Cornish pasty

a lot of the films were about butchering cows

first it turns out maher shalal played and now this?

In 2005 my friend Ed had a gnarly E and threw up outside the chalet. A seagull swooped down and ate it. I still laugh now when thinking about it.

Wolves In The Throne Room have changed massively since I last saw them two years ago. They used to be like this crust punk leaning BM band but now they've gone pretty mainstream sounding and clean. It wasn't terrible but it did wear thin after a while.

i would have loved to have had a ATPFAP with you guys, but I was banned and couldn't organize it u_u

Yeah, I asked The Oneida guys to introduce us but obviously they couldn't as they were playing a ten hour set.

I was pretty wrecked by the time WITTR were on so maybe my ears were given to hyperbole but I thought they were pretty immense, best thing after Emeralds for me in fact. I think I might have to stop trying to like The Dead C, they just seem to be a blind spot for me - like I wholly effed w/ Borbetomagus and Flower/Corsano Duo so unruly noize is AOK by me, but despite being great 'on paper' they make me do the dog-being-shown-a-card-trick face

I kept on thinking all of the horn section from Boban were on stage with WITTR for the first song.

Oh, yeah, M4nish was trying to connect us, Doran, but we were never in the same room. Next year!

Yeah, I really enjoyed WITTR as well.

On the other hand, I liked the ATP posters advertising "borbertmagnus". And loving the rumour that the reason the godspeed show got moved on Sunday was because ATP didn't realise one of them was in Land of Kush.

Did anyone see Daniel Higgs?

Higgs was great. Dude was snowed in and missed his Friday night set so he was the last person to play Sunday night. Just him, a harmonium and a microphone for a lot of it. His a cappella version of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" closed out the whole fest. Great way to end!

XP: Yeah. He "got stuck at the airport" on Friday, which I believe is a euphemism for something else. He played at 2.30am on Monday morning and it's more like an afternoon or outdoor set really. He's basically like playing drones on some sort of squeeze box/harmonium and incanting mad/spiritual stuff over the top like Ginsberg with tattoos and a kaftan. There were a lot of people there which i was pleased about.

My gf and I gave him a lift back to London the next day. He was a nice guy in a guru sort of way.

Like The Little Book Of Calm with a giant beard after leaving Lungfish.

which I believe is a euphemism for something else

???

He's such a weird dude. Like his whole steez to me seems like something between real mystical guru shit and a hilarious parody of it. Dude is probably barely in his 40s and goes out of his way to look 70.

This was good: http://jagjaguwar.com/blog/2010/12/oneida-presents-the-ocropolis-at-godspeed-you-black-emperor-atp/

Keiji Haino was pretty great but according to various friends not the best they've seen him? I really enjoyed it - was basically three twenty-minute segments of blistering guitar w/ various variations (singing falsetto, shouting, fucking about with all the pedals or whatever he had up there (i am short ok), adding a looped bit of rudimentary drum, getting really fucking loud), then a final blast and he was done. Really, really satisfying. Also he is such a fucking rock star.

I liked WITTR a lot a lot a lot but i think if i hadn't been sat at the back w/ a quadruple whiskey and my friends around i would have got bored after a bit.

Charlemagne Palestine was probably my favourite too! we got there super early so we could sit near the front and stare up at him in worshipful delight.

ilxor, gybe played three times and ppl got wristbands for guaranteed entry to either fri or sat's performance - i went for gybe on saturday so i could see philip jeck on friday instead. (ps philip jeck was amaaaaaazing)

that sounds like the fucking shit

As far as I know everyone who wanted to see gybe got into every performance - a wristband just meant you got in first (unless you were my friend and had to deal with a cunt of a bouncer who didn't understand the system).

getting into gy!be didn't seem too difficult ... there was def. space fifteen minutes after they started on sat., and most people i know looked in on the sun. ... xpost.

palestine was fantastic, though it did make a friend of mine walk out mid-set muttering 'this is bullshit'

He "got stuck at the airport" on Friday, which I believe is a euphemism for something else.

I hope this doesn't mean something ugly? I had heard in vague terms that he pulled out of a tour for the Clairaudience Fellowship album with Nautical Almanac and that it was unpleasant, but never heard any details.

My gf and I gave him a lift back to London the next day. He was a nice guy in a guru sort of way.

Cool! I've always sort of wondered if the guy speaks like he encants, like, day-to-day.

seems like something between real mystical guru shit and a hilarious parody of it.

I definitely don't think there's anything ironic about what he's up to!

Just to clarify: I don't think it was anything ugly, I think he might have just got caught up in a cosmic loop somewhere... according to people who know him. He's pretty much the same off stage...

Probably the best ATP I've been to. It was even worth being stuck on an ice and snow packed motorway 20 miles outside Glasgow for 5-6 hours on the way back. A really imaginative, righteous and well balanced bill. I doff my cap to Godspeed for doing such a great job. They really put some of the other recent curators to shame, mentioning no names, (cough) Belle & Sebastian (cough).

Sorry to have missed Higgs - he did a brilliant banjo and walkman gig a couple of years back - and Awesome Tapes, but I was wiped out by then.

Haino was indeed brilliant. Harrowing and physically demanding, but incredible nonetheless. Following him with Boban Markovic was a beautiful piece of scheduling - the perfect pick me up. They were ridiculously good fun and it was a joy to hear everyone singing that refrain throughout the night.

I thought the Dead C were awesome. One of those bands I've never quite got - until now. Corroded garage rock. Hypnotic, cleansing and immensely satisfying.

The Ex were inspiring as ever. Third time I've seen them this year, and the best yet. Katrina's drumming is incredible, like a cross between Tony Allen and Jaki Liebzeit, but with more cowbell.

Flower-Corsano were joyous, Mike Watt was great, John Butcher was not only technically incredible but musically mind-bending and beautiful. Daniel Menche was even better than the last time I saw him: noise at its most physical and human. Aw man, so much good stuff.

The TV was great as well. I was a bit zonked around tea time on Saturday so went back to the chalet to have a cup of tea and watch Nuts In May. Sorted me out right proper that did.

Daniel Menche was even better than the last time I saw him: noise at its most physical and human.

I def got this vibe too. Full body contact noise!

They really put some of the other recent curators to shame, mentioning no names, (cough) Belle & Sebastian (cough).

Tell me about it. First ATP I've been able to find a) the money b) someone to go with since the Thurston Moore one and it's the weakest, sparsest, lamest line-up of any ATP I've ever seen :(

I actually keep looking at the B&S lineup all impressed like, "Wow, this is probably a pretty exceptional lineup for someone who isn't me."

Like, I thought B&S, The Zombies, New Pornographers, Dirty Projectors, Teenage Fanclub, Dean Wareham doing Galaxie 500, The Vaselines and Saint Etienne might be stacked and really exciting to someone who's a little more Pitchfork than The Wire, no?

Teenage Fanclub clash with the Zombies.

There are about 5 bands playing on Sunday. The Vaselines are one of them, to be fair. But the Sunday night is headlined by a Beatles tribute band - mind you that's right up your street, no?

and apart from the bands you mentioned, which yes I am going to see apart from Dirty Projectors cos I don't know them, who else is there?

also the fact the entire festival shuts down for B&S is totally lame, but I bitched about that on the other thread.

Mind you really exciting to someone who's a little more Pitchfork than The Wire this is probably a good part of the problem for me :(

Not that I've ever actually read the Wire.

OK I'll stop posting now.

Well, I'm jealous that you get to see Mulatu Astatke, who should have totally been at Jarmusch's ATP in NYC. Don't miss that. Vashti Bunyan is kind of a legend and prolly shouldn't be missed. Also as far as newcomers go, Foals and Frightened Rabbit are pretty decent. Daniel Kitson is really fuckin funny too.

the B&S lineup generally looks underwhelming given my tastes (whiney, i fuck w/ pfork & the wire equally, but this is just not that great of a lineup, no?) anyway, i'd recommend you check out julian cope, vashti bunyan, the zombies, saint etienne, laetitia sadier -- if you've not heard any of these before, you def. should

Teenage Fanclub clash with the Zombies.

this is no contest, of course you should see the zombies!

also i love me some galaxie 500 but seeing 1/3 of the band playing old songs seems really stupid -- no different than that peter hook/unknown pleasures tour, really

In fairness, there are some good acts at Bowlie II, but it is fairly predictable, very white and quite sparse. The whole thing just smacks of complacency. It's a bit of an insult to their fans really. The original Bowlie was not some twee pop fest, but more of a state of the alt. indie nation fest, very much oriented around the kind of stuff John Peel would play. This time round it doesn't try to offer up any surprises. Most of the acts they've booked tour the UK regularly and they've made no effort to bring in acts who play less often. Mulatu Astake is the only curveball really.
It's not like I expect B&S to put on an avant-garde festival, but a bit of imagination and ambition wouldn't go amiss. I mean it's almost all indie, and most of the bands have been around for years. Their selection of smaller Glasgow bands is rather poor as well. We've got a healthy and exciting DIY underground and clubbing scene going on here but instead they book a Beatles tribute act. Nice to see Trembling Bells on there, but they're just one of the many interesting avant-folk acts knocking around the city. Frightened Rabbit are the sort of dreary earnest indie bombast that people seem to love and think is really deep, but they suck!
In short, the festival just reinforces the cosy wee world of B&S, underlining their irrelevance to any interesting contemporary scenes. I imagine some of you might be surprised to see a Glaswegian slamming B&S, but believe me, I'm not alone!

I should add that I like the first couple of B&S records a lot - it's just that they've become an institution and, unlike The Pastels, who, regardless of what you think of their music, are always evolving, and always offering support to the local scene, as well as interesting people from further afield.

Mulatu Astake is the only curveball really.

for which reason you can bet this'll be one of the least attended sets of the weekend, amirite?

Teenage Fanclub clash with the Zombies.

this is no contest, of course you should see the zombies!

Oh yeah, of course, I was just saying it's not much good to say the line up is good because those 2 bands are playing when you can only see one of them. This is one of the things that's grating on me - clashes between bands I want to see and then on Sunday there's pretty much no choice at all, no clashes, because only one stage has bands playing on it.

Most of the acts they've booked tour the UK regularly

Another major beef I have. Other ATPs have had bands who hardly ever come over here.

I'd hope not. Boban Markovic went down a storm at Godspeed's ATP after all. But then the Eastern European folk elements in Godspeed's music are pretty obvious, so it's not too much of a leap for even their more conservative fans. And Markovic and his band really did bring the party. I do have at least one friend who's going to see Astake though, so hopefully she'll manage to get a few others along.

I was really impressed by the smoothness of the scheduling at Godspeed. Even when there were clashes, it was easy enough to move around and do half and half. And there was so much to see. The stuff I missed would make for a pretty righteous day in its own right: Marissa Nadler, Daniel Higgs, Hanged Up, Deerhoof, Bardo Pond, most of the Oneida jam etc.

Mulatu Astake is the only curveball really.

for which reason you can bet this'll be one of the least attended sets of the weekend, amirite?

tbh never heard of them, but since there isn't anything else happening I will go and see them, thanks to several people on this thread :)

Can you tell I'm having major buyer's remorse over getting tickets to this thing?

Dude, take an hour, go on MySpace and familiarize yourself with all the bands you've never heard of. Pretty sure you'll find a handful things that interest you

In fairness, there are some good acts at Bowlie II, but it is fairly predictable, very white and quite sparse. The whole thing just smacks of complacency. It's a bit of an insult to their fans really. The original Bowlie was not some twee pop fest, but more of a state of the alt. indie nation fest, very much oriented around the kind of stuff John Peel would play. This time round it doesn't try to offer up any surprises. Most of the acts they've booked tour the UK regularly and they've made no effort to bring in acts who play less often.

Yeah, agree with all of this. The original Bowlie was wonderful, and most of those bands they brought in weren't aeons-long established acts but rather exemplars of what was happening at that time. I don't see anything of that in the Bowlie II line-up. What I was really hoping was for them to play the Glasgow connection with Maher Shalal and Tenniscoats, but noooo.

whiney otmfm

tbh Whiney not otmfm wrt Sunday, there are no bands playing to get acquainted with. Unless checking out "Them Beatles" is going to be some kind of revelation.

hey, it's gotta be better than B&S, at least

Astake is melodic and groovy Ethopian jazz, as featured in Broken Flowers. Lovely stuff, but kinda typical of that the only black act is safely retro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDC7oMOnmCc

I think there are quite a few people wondering why they're going. My PhD supervisor for example. He seemed quite ashamed when he told me, being more of an industrial, Optimo and gay electro kinda guy, but he's got a bunch of friends going so was roped in. He really wanted to go to the Godspeed one, but at least he got to see Black Dice in Glasgow the other week.

Yeah, the Glasgow-Japan connection has led to some wonderful things, but that's mainly come from the Pastels and David Keenan, and has little to do with B&S directly.

Maher might have seemed an odd choice for Godspeed, but they fitted in really well and Efrim could be seen watching from the side. Their set wasn't too cutesy and Tori busted out some gloriously wayward and even abrasive guitar solos. Kinda like Syd Barrett goes free jazz.

Oops, I've been misspelling Astatke!

I should add - has little to do with B&S directly. Which doesn't mean they couldn't try and book some of that stuff.

Re: Sunday... Jane Weaver is on Finders Keepers and sounds awesome from what I read about her...

That'll be Beans. He's DJ-ed Finders Keepers nights. Basically most of the good stuff is down to Beans. He's a good chap.

Anyway, I don't want to be a git about this. I'm sure people going there will have a fun time. But having been to a sparse and lazily curated ATP before - yes Slint, I'm talking to you - I can understand why people might be a bit disappointed with this one.

Yeah I'm sure I'll have a good time, but it will be kinda despite of the line-up I suspect. I should've gone to the GYBE one, is what it comes down to really.

But having been to a sparse and lazily curated ATP before - yes Slint, I'm talking to you

The Slint one was awful. I didn't go again for about 3 years after that.

Oh actually, I tell a lie, I did got to the Thurston Moore one in 06 at the last minute, but that was the last until the end of 2009.

i have a question for all you Brit ATP veterans. How was the idea of "ATP vs Pitchfork" received? I feel like if they did that in America there would be rioting in the streets!

First Bowlie line-up ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lYo4EA2IR3M/S7QGtjPKm4I/AAAAAAAACsg/ELrePzc_w84/s1600/bowlie+weekender+ticket+belle+sebastian.JPG

With unsurprised mehs, pretty much. I can see why they thought it would be a good fit, but it's a fairly uninspired choice. Was going to say I'd prefer it if they kept to bands, but the Matt Groening line-up had some great acts.

xpost

For anybody thinking about Vashti Bunyan, it's probably worth remembering that the last time she played (Devendra's day at United States of ATP back in Camber) she had the upstairs bar shut for the duration of the performance. Unlikely this will be different, you would think, so you'll be watching her without a drink.

I know I'm stating the obvious here but if you've never seen Broadcast before, or haven't seen them for a few years even, make time to see them; if their set is anything like the one they did with The Focus Group at the Matt Groening ATP it will shear your head off.

Also, Mulatu is retro but this music is so sublime it makes up for a lot of Hello Kitty nonsense. Jane Weaver's Fallen By Watch Bird is one of my albums of the year, Whiney is right, make time to watch her.

lol @ Hello Kitty nonsense

Oh, I didn't realise Broadcast were playing. Fair enough, they were brilliant when I saw them this time last year. The opening improv set to Julian House's film was pretty mindblowing.

After last night, would go to an Amos curated ATP.

The whole thing has left me scratching my head about pricing a bit though - if you can put on four bands for about 50 people, including two from the USA and one from continental Europe, for £25pp including a chalet... why is a weekend any more than £100?

Yes, bigger and more bands, but that's outweighed by the greater numbers. And since Butlins make their money for bars off beer sales (although they still managed to put two staff on last night) I struggle to see how they (or the franchises) would charge any considerable amount for opening them.

what is in between days like?

Only went down for the gigs in the evening, but as far as I can work out:

Daytime activities like bike riding and steam trains
Communal activities like quizzes
At least one decent film a day
Full tv programme
A four band bill in the evening in Crazy Horse
Amos did a fanzine a day with additional prizes and stuff

Looks like you have to go into Minehead for meals and things, as the camp isn't really activated (although the biggest difference seems to be that the swimming pool isn't open).

On the other hand, you get to see great bands in an audience of between 50 and 100 people.

Monday 6th December

* Hallogallo 2010 (Michael Rother & Friends Present NEU! Music)
* Ulrich Schnauss
* Cave
* Emeralds
* White Hills

Tuesday 7th December

* Holy Fuck
* Caribou
* Autolux
* Factory Floor

Wednesday 8th December

* Four Tet
* Wooden Shjips
* Connan Mockasin
* DJ Cherrystones

Thursday 9th December

* Yob
* Urfaust
* Moon Duo
* Mugstar

yeah, i know what it is, i want to know if its cool/fun/not boring to be stranded in Butlins for four days with not as much going on.

the swimming pool not open is a drag

Ah, can't answer that then.

steam trains!!

yes yes i am an 8 year old, w/e

In Between Days does seem pretty cool. Good drinks with good friends would see the empty days pass by well enough, I'm sure. (Though for lone Americans sitting in their chalets themselves, I could imagine it getting pretty grim.)

Re the pricing thing, I would think that midweek in December Butlins would be happy to accept anything to have anyone making use of the facilities and maybe bringing in a penny or two. Although thinking in those terms it is kind of odd that the often-Easter break situated mid-year ATP costs the same as December events.

I reckon if you had a car then it would be fine, there's enough cool things for day trips if you didn't want to do whatever else was laid on.

Although point of warning - people were getting kicked out this morning and couldn't check back in till 12 if they were going to Bowlie, however, last weekend you were kicked out at 10 after gy!be and couldn't check back in for IBD until 4pm. Apparently it was kind of bleak for the people who stayed.

o shi they just announced THINKING FELLERS for the Animal Collective one

and Big Boi and Terry Riley and Orthrelm and some less exciting stuff

except I have new year's resolved to spend any money I have on taking my first holiday in five years and *not* tickets for silly music festivals, so I am just slapping myself in the face here :/

this is indeed looking pretty fantastic so far.

* Animal Collective
* Big Boi (Outkast)
* Gang Gang Dance
* Lee Scratch Perry
* Terry Riley
* Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti
* Thinking Fellers Union Local 282
* Broadcast
* Black Dice
* Atlas Sound
* Meat Puppets - Performing Up On The Sun
* The Frogs - Performing It's Only Right & Natural
* I.U.D.
* Micachu and The Shapes
* Omar-S
* Prince Rama
* Spectrum
* Dent May
* Group Doueh
* The Brothers Unconnected
* Sublime Frequencies DJs + Films
* Deradoorian
* Zomby
* Vladislav Delay
* The Entrance Band
* Orthrelm (Mick Barr)
* Tickley Feather
* Drawlings
* Teengirl Fantasy
* Kría Brekkan
* Eric Copeland (Black Dice)

O_O.

it'd be completely justified if i were to murder my chaletmates if they continue to not cough up their second deposits, right?

i've heard it's legally...legal

Thinking Fellers! Cool

O_O at that lineup

so good!

* Meat Puppets - Performing Up On The Sun
* The Frogs - Performing It's Only Right & Natural

Well I REALLY hate shit like this as a rule, but the idea of those two has just maybe redeemed the whole concept. God I wish I had money, so hoping that THINKING FELLERS do a warm up date in London or something. Also: The Brothers Unconnected!!! Gang Gang!! Doueh! Wah!

Anco killin it

Nobody has posted this yet? Typical ILM ignoring of NMH:

ATP Concerts are very excited to present the return of Neutral Milk Hotel's Jeff Mangum to headline and curate one of two festival weekends planned for December 2011 at Butlins, Minehead. After releasing what is now one of the most loved and critically acclaimed albums of the 1990s (In The Aeroplane Over The Sea), Neutral Milk Hotel disbanded before many of those who now love their albums had a chance to see the songs performed live, so Jeff's much anticipated return to the live stage this year will no doubt be a very special occasion for fans throughout the UK and worldwide.

As well as headlining, Mangum will choose around 40 acts to play across the weekend on three indoor stages with a total festival capacity of around 5500 people. Mangum will perform more than once in the more intimate Centre Stage venue, although entry to only one show is guaranteed - he will be performing a solo acoustic set.

Here's a first look at the line-up as chosen by Jeff Mangum which already features a number of much loved performers/groups:

JEFF MANGUM (from Neutral Milk Hotel)
SUPERCHUNK
THE OLIVIA TREMOR CONTROL
YOUNG MARBLE GIANTS
THE MAGIC BAND
THE RAINCOATS performing The Raincoats (debut LP)
A HAWK AND A HACKSAW
TINARIWEN
THE APPLES IN STEREO

I don't really care about any of these artists but some friends of mine are keen...

I have friends going crazy and being eternally grateful that I have a little money to spare at the moment. It's pretty exciting for me too, but I bumped something when he was announced for the other ATP, don't wanna seem too keen, innit.

After releasing what is now one of the most loved and critically acclaimed albums of the 1990s (In The Aeroplane Over The Sea)

this really irks me to see Aeroplane so praised by ppl. i mean it's an okay record, sure, but his first record tops it by miles and miles. On Avery Island + the Everything Is EP should be his true legacy imo

cool that he picked YMG for his lineup btw!

shoulda had The Raincoats do Odyshape instead, bloody charlatan.

It appears that I am indeed going to this. Quite surprised.

TONY CONRAD
GROUPER
ACTRESS
ONEOHTRIX POINT NEVER
KURT VILE AND THE VIOLATORS
KHAIRA ARBY
SUPER KHOUMEISSA
MATT BAETZ

added to animal collective on today

jesus. it's like ATP/animal collective were thinking, "hmmm... who else can we add to the bill to make ilxor beg his wife to let him fly away to NJ for a weekend? oh right... let's get on that asap."

do it, dude

welcome back wgw! you will be at this ATP, correct?

i'll be at asbury park, probably not Animal Collective (though I'm tempted)

ah okay nevermind, pretty sure i confused the two in my moments of awe

wheeee. Kinda odd how it seems AnCo haven't bothered with proper populist headlinery material besides themselves and Big Boi (maybe my views of how popular e.g. Beach House and Ariel Pink are are skewed by my idea of what popular indie is being stuck in 2006) , but I'm fine with that. Is there anyone else to be announced for this one?

Woo re timetable, nooooo re no more spring fests. Now what do I do with my life?

Also with that Anco - Omar-S - Sublime Frequencies DJs clash I now know how Meryl Streep felt, except times a million.

no more spring fests

What has happened here? Presumably too costly to do them in May now?

Anyway looking forward to this - I've bitched on here about ATP in the past, but the last couple I've been to (Tenth Birthday, Matt Groening) were really good.

on closer analysis (I've made my own spreadsheet timetable already, loliamsad) there are quite a few vicious clashes. I guess that's the price you pay for wanting to see 95% of the lineup.

Whenever I have a vicious ATP clash, I just see half of one and half of the other, lol

So centre stage is the upstairs room right? They're not using the pavilion space?

Hmmm might need to be organised if you want to see some of the bigger acts in that case.

No more spring ATPs pretty much means no more ATPs for me - it's a real struggle to go away for four days in the run-up to Christmas.

Oh well - I have had some fantastic times over the last 9 years or so, but the appeal is starting to wear a bit thin.

Still, I'll miss the whole vibe, tbh. And I'll keep a look out for who is on each Xmas, just in case (and if a Cocteau Twins or Lift to Experience reunion ever happens at ATP I will be there!)

scratch acid playing ATP UK

there are so many ATP threads I wasn't sure where to post it

I'm kinda sad because me an my gf had the time of our life at ATP in Dec and have been meaning to go back together. Her only complaint is travelling to UK in the winter and was hoping for a sunny May fest to roll around

i am going to this! spring atp coming to an end is sad but yes probably time.

memories of going to the shellac one and none of us being 18 and running around the place overjoyed with the fact we were getting served alcohol everywhere :'(

hopefully the awesome weather holds up for a few more weeks!

I guess there's a lot of competition in May, particularly from Primavera, which has become a fixture for many folk from across Europe who'd have gone to ATP in the past. It's not much more expensive, particularly if you're coming from Scotland as I am, and it's got more acts, and, well, Barcelona.

yeah, and I think the Scotland -> Camber Sands trip was just about reasonable by public transport, but it's so difficult to get to Taunton from here (and I assume from many places in the UK) without it being incredibly expensive and time-consuming. But still, will miss u bb :''(.

I think I'll make Primavera a new May staple from next year on, though I'll have to look into having air conditioning installed on my body.

I'll be at this, first one in a long time. is there a precedent for animal collective playing twice besides lightning bolt's early morning escapades? tony conrad/oneohtrix might be the worst clash, but generally seems alright and the cinema looks curious. i am highly stoked.

shellac played every day @ their one

Headliners practically always play twice ime. Centre stage is too small to fit everyone at the festival in at once.

Primavera sooooooo not up to ATP standard (even though the appeal was wearing a bit thin for me too, lineups becoming increasingly predictable and samey.)

did shellac muck about? not sure how else they'd drag their catalogue out over 3 sets. i have clearly done well to never witness a repeat performance.

iirc (it has been 9 years since their one) they did extended question and answer sessions, played basically every song in their catalogue, and did extended versions of a lot of stuff as well. Back in 2002 it was kind of rare for them to play live at all, but then they became such a fixture at ATP over the next few years that I think they ended up being pretty much the band I saw most often during the noughties.

(even though the appeal was wearing a bit thin for me too, lineups becoming increasingly predictable and samey.)

i thought the godspeed lineup was pretty inspired

No more spring festivals is definitely sad. There were definitely too many events in the end, but the spring ones would've been better to keep, in my opinion. I'm guessing there are financial reasons for keeping the winter one instead, though.

Godspeed was fantastic, the best ATP I've been too. As Emily says, their curation was inspired.
The Animal Collective one looks brilliant too - wish I could go - but in general, the May ones were getting a bit tired, with indie nostalgia fests dominating proceedings. Mind you, December hasn't escaped that either, what with Bowlie 2. I think the AC one tops Primavera, but generally the Catalonians offer the biggest and best lineup overall. I've only been once, in 2009, but it was one of the best weeks of my life. It's a different experience to ATP for sure, and pretty exhausting, but then you can spend a couple of days relaxing and recovering in Barcelona at the end of it. That said, in my old age, I did really appreciate being able to pop back to the chalet between acts and go for a swim at ATP. And I wonder if Primavera has gotten a bit more corporate as it's expanded?

Financial reasons - I guess Butlins is a lot more expensive to hire in May, being the beginning of the holiday season and all?

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Also possibly a victim of their own success - lots of copycat chalet festivals driving up the prices?

Also, I've never been mistaken for Whiney before, hee.

Oops, sorry, too-hasty scanning of the thread there. :)

There is a lot of competition this time of year - Bloc, Bangface, plus the newer small summer festivals.

My flatmate is off to Bangface next week, which is the last ever festival to be held at Camber I think. It looks a lot of fun - he's very excited about the costume theme this year and is going as the Raven (a la Edgar Alan Poe, albeit with a glowstick wristband through his beak rather than a ring) - but I'm not sure I could handle a full weekend of rave mentalism.

I've always fancied Bangface but yeah, I'm not really a hardcore clubber so I'd probably not get the most out of it. Still jealous of those who go, though.

He returned from his first Bangface a broken man. He walked in the door and went straight to his bed. I didn't see him for two days, heh.

Honestly, I think ATP is prolly just going back to its old model of "one indie-ish fest/one avant-y fest" that they'd been doing at Butlins for years, just both back to back in December where--financially and logistically--it just makes more sense?

i miss camber. given how i coped with the last bloc weekend there is no way i could handle bangface

oh Camber :'(. Is it off-bounds now that Pontins have new ownership?

the lineup for this year's Bangface sounds genuinely great (Jeff Mills ffs) but people's descriptions from the last couple were like... you know that Grateful Dead thread the other day where there was some talk about what the real wreckhead elements of their fanbase got up to in the parking lot in the 80s, well it reminded me of reading about Bangface Weekender on other boards

I imagine Whiney probably has it about right re: ATP from now on altho I don't think the indie/avant/indie/avant etc pattern was that intentional necessarily, it just kind of happened that way

I honestly just hope they keep up Nightmare Before Christmas, because it's got me to fly to London twice already, which basically serves as an excuse for me to eat at New Tayyib's and walk around Hyde Park

I've been to circa 7 ATP spring events, so v sad to see them go. Will be interesting to hear the official reason for their demise- Jamie ATP to thread?

whooop

so i'm looking forward to seeing:

Big Boi
Gang Gang Dance
Terry Riley
Black Dice
Omar-S
Vladislav Delay (!!)
Grouper

what else should i go see? (i haven't heard a lot of the line-up)

go listen to the mixtapes that ATP posted!

Do not miss Group Doueh or Orthrelm!

doing that right now actually :D

Also, Tony Conrad's live performances are always heavenly

This is a really ridiculously well curated festival.

I think you've got a good list tpp. v keen to see ariel pink & oneohtrix point never too. Looking interesting: khaira arby, entrance band, brothers unconnected (bishop bros of sun city girls), orthrelm... I have no idea what to expect from lee scratch perry

Zomby and Actress.

This is the best curated lineup for ages and ages. Don't understand the occasional moaning I've read about the lineup, plus can't believe it hasn't sold out.

"We really wanted Daft Punk and it seemed like it might work out but they just weren’t available."

http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=120&p=10278&title=all_tomorrow_s_parties_festival_animal_c&more=1&c=1

This is the best curated lineup for ages and ages.

The GY!BE lineup was also totally jawdropping.... the exact kind of lineup I want from ATP. Couldn't go to that (or this) though. Aaargh.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Bardo Pond, The Ex, Deerhoof, Tim Hecker, Mike Watt, Scout Niblett, Neurosis, Black Dice, The Dead C, Francisco López, Wolves in the Throne Room, Rangda, Marissa Nadler, Growing, Weird Al Yankovic, Nomeansno, Emeralds, White Magic, Josephine Foster, Daniel Higgs, Boban I Marko Markovic Orchestra, Cluster, Mahjongg, Charlemagne Palestine, Maher Shalal Hash Baz, Keiji Haino, Flower / Corsano Duo, Borbetomagus, Daniel Menche, Country Teasers, Bruce Mcclure, Berg Sans Nipple, Sick Llama, Oneida present The Ocropolis, Thee Oh Sees, Hangedup, Matana Roberts, Land Of Kush, Philip Jeck, John Butcher, Tindersticks, The Sadies, Yomul Yuk and Dreamcatcher

^yep this looked good. Couldn't make it though.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Looking forward to getting an hour of sleep tonight in advance of my 6am train then Pro Plus-ing it through the day.

Don't understand the occasional moaning I've read about the lineup

who's been stupid enough to say this and why?

see u at black dice lads

ATP squeeeeeee!

Moaning about the lineup: low-level grumbling on other boards, Twitter and amongst my acquaintances. People saying they don't know anyone on the bill, despite being big Animal Collective fans *shrug* - a) Imo that is a virtue b) is it really that obscure a bill?

whoooooooooooooo

the best atp lineups have loads of acts you've never heard!

I think the reason a few folks are a bit 'whu' about the lineup is there's some good diverse genre-picks going on there...this is atypical of ATP. ATPical. Or something. Omar-S, Actress, Tony Conrad, Thinking Fellers, The Frogs. If yr a straight indie check-shirt you may not have come across the more esoterics I guess. And you're in for a fucking treat.

Although I'm intrigued as to how good The Frogs will be in 2011. Best album to do though.

Saw the frogs circa 2008 and they were excellent

:D

The one solace of not attending ATP is remembering scampering to leave on the Monday morning when you're barely able to speak let alone move. Still, jealous.

yeah I'm going to sleep now

the only consolation of a Zomby no show is Jimmy from the Frogs doing an impromptu acoustic set including James Blunt, Justin Bieber and The Killers covers

lol do you think Zomby ever says to himself 'actually, maybe I should have turned up to this pre-arranged date, I could kinda do with the money'

great weekend. highlights

- lost my voice singing along outkast lyrics
- terry riley was lovely way to end the first night, we sat at the back zoning out
- vladislav delay...lost my mind for 1 hour
- omar-s playing for like an hour extra after the lights came on
- wet sounds on sunday morning followed by water slides. ultimate hangover cure
- loved gang gang dance + pretty much passed out straight afterwards

amaaaaaazing. pretty much consistently brilliant over the whole weekend. coherent expression escapes me because i didn't sleep last night and had about two hours sleep the night before, it's all kind of hallucinogenic right now. ground floor chalet is pretty good, everyone happily hops in your window to join your party. if you're out there, guy who i thought was dead in my bathroom this morning, i hope you are okay and didn't just go elsewhere to die, and i am pleased you managed to pull up your own trousers.

also i broke (or thereabouts) my assbone by slipping and falling in the crazy horse toilets after the djs last night. pouring half a pint of beer over myself in the process. as i understand it it was quite dramatic.

This was pretty great, but the vibe was slightly strange - sparse crowds and people seemed to be struggling to get into a lot of stuff. Some of the people in my chalet were being really irritating though, so maybe that clouded my view.

I was personally disappointed that Zomby no-showed, but I guess he has form. I thought Animal Collective were disappointing and it seemed a bit lazy playing the same set twice - I'm not a huge fan of them at the best of times though. Highlights:

1. Omar-S - incredible stuff - me and my mate were watching AnCo and heard this amazing hard techno coming through the floor, took one look at each other and practically sprinted down to Reds.
2. Vladislav Delay - this was great - I felt wobbly for about an hour afterwards. This was another of those acts that no one seemed interested in though like Actress on the Friday.
3. Big Boi - awesome basically, although the ladies on stage thing felt really awkward.
4. Gang Gang Dance - just when Sunday was flagging they came along and destroyed it.
5. Orthrelm - intense as fuck.

And then honourable mentions to Group Doueh, Atlas Sound, Lee 'Scratch' Perry, Black Dice, Entrance Band and a bunch of other stuff that I've already forgotten.

Anyway probably going to be my last for a while, apart from one day of I'll Be Your Mirror later in the Summer. Next festival for me will probably be Supersonic again in October. Initial lineup was announced in the last couple of days:

Special guests Zu93 (David Tibet+Zu), Electric Wizard and Secret Chiefs 3

joined by

a.P.A.t.T., Agathe Max, Antilles, Astro, Bardo Pond, Blarke Bayer/Black Widow, Cloaks, Eternal Tapestry, Fire! w/ Oren Ambarchi, Lucky Dragons, Monarch, Pekko Käppi, Scorn, The Skull Defekts, White Hills, Wolves In The Throne Room, Zombi

I'm thinking of journeying to Brum for Supersonic.

Orthrelm was craaaazy, I spent the whole time failing to believe that Mick Barr could do that with his fingers, literally sublime. Dunno if having your eyes well up watching Orthrelm is ridiculously comically manly or ridiculously comically unmanly.

(I thought the audience was good for the most part, nice balance between into it and not too nuts, though indeed hearty wtfs to turning up to Actress and seeing everyone standing stock-still staring at the stage. Entrance Band got the same thing, so it's an oddness beyond genre.)

this sounds awesome, wish i was there as usual w/ ATP events

how were Lee Scratch Perry, Terry Riley, Spectrum, Brothers Unconnected, Tony Conrad, Grouper, Oneohtrix, etc.?

Lee 'Scratch' Perry - hazily remember this being awesome, but I was entirely smashed by this point (errr 8pm on the Friday...).

Terry Riley - this would have been good except it was scheduled last thing on the Friday. What I saw of it, it was Riley on a grand piano and a guy accompanying him on acoustic guitar.

Brothers Unconnected - I thought this was great, but there was a lot of uncomfortable crowd baiting that I know at least the people I was with weren't into. I'm guessing this is par the course for Sun City Girls though.

Tony Conrad - I only caught 10 mins of this, but it seemed pretty rad. Two violinists, one of whom was doing these weird disconcerting vocal tics. I'm really not that up on Tony Conrad though - others might be more illuminating.

Oneohtrix - this wasn't loud enough and felt a bit messy. There was a lot of stuff at the festival like this and Black Dice/Eric Copeland and Drawlings, even AnCo, who are like originally noise people, who've transitioned into or at least adopted elements of electronic/dance/rave music, particularly the idea of a continuous set, but although enjoyable, are slightly terrible at actually mixing stuff together and being able to work any tension or momentum into their sets in the way that an actual electronic/dance producer/DJ can. This was thrown into stark contrast when you have people like Omar-S and Vladislav Delay playing the same festival. The only band of that ilk in the same league was Gang Gang Dance really.

I remember thinking this about Fuck Buttons a few years ago. They had a tendency to have these thumping, crescendo pseudo-techno tunes that just fizzled out without actually going anywhere before the next thing was mixed in inexpertly without any thought for the momentum of what they were doing.

Lee 'Scratch' Perry - hazily remember this being awesome, but I was entirely smashed by this point (errr 8pm on the Friday...).

ha, I was thinking that the chill vibes would've been better for a Sunday-closer kind of slot, but I guess being more smashed would have helped.

I thought Oneohtrix held together pretty well, of what I saw of him. Seemed to pull it together into a nice droney plateau.

Yeah I didn't stay for all of to be fair. It was just too quiet - I wanted to be totally immersed in a blissed out synth bubblebath overload, but that was hard to do with people jabbering away around me and I was standing at the front not chilling out at the back either.

yeah i was really into the OPN set too.

I'm just a curmudgeon for volume I guess and I was disappointed because the PA upstairs sounded immense on the Friday, but seemed to be missing some of the low end on the following days. Maybe my hearing was shot though or maybe Lee 'Scratch' Perry just fucked off with his soundsystem the rest of the weekend.

many good times were had:

- big boi/terry riley one-two. riley's set was very jaunty, gyan is technically immense but became a bit peripheral, very different mood to the other time I saw him. big boi's set was great, had maybe the best crowd of the weekend & having a big star like that on the opening night felt good
- eric copeland's chanting
- skipping between sublime frequencies set & omar s. truly a rad time
- underwater dj set
- lizzie b's cat suit get up & the all round intensity of that set
- the new (to me at least) ariel pink stuff
- bros unconnected's skits. couldn't quite maintain the tempo w/ their songs and alan bishop was kind of a ridiculous figure, ripe for satire, but i've ended up feeling very fond of him & the sublime frequencies subplot to the weekend was awesome
- adorable kurt vile esp his solo encore

also i wld like to publicly atone to everyone i snaked past during gang gang/animal collective on the last night, i was v ebullient. kind of surprised at the huge impression orthrelm made w/ ppl here! it was fun enough but also a bit like being in purgatory. oneohtrix was really great though. grouper was so subdued i wasn't in the mood for it. tony conrad's collaborator was not appreciated by any of my crew, but the set left me feeling peachy. didn't know any of the old bands that were playing too well but what i saw of thinking fellers & meat puppets was enjoyable.

it felt a little empty at times though? half the site was deserted, & i had much fewer random chalet situations than in previous atps.

I heard only 3000 tickets sold (I think it's usual 5500 capacity).

http://bucf.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/broken_britain1.jpg

If they move it back to Camber Sands I can just about afford to go again.

HI ATP GUYS HINT HINT

have you seen camber lately? its in worse condition every year with no drop in hire cost. the only reason bangface can work it is that everyone is seeing huge insects and other crazy shit anyway so the real ones just blend in.

minehead was much swankier, but spring is definitely more optimum

yeah also twice the price for us to hire it, band hire fees are higher, tons more competition etc...unfortunately with the losses we've incurred over the last 3 or 4 years of may events the only sensible thing to do for now was cut them out. but you never know they may come back, have to wait and see. glad people on here enjoyed it!

everyone is seeing huge insects and other crazy shit anyway so the real ones just blend in

haha, this reminds me of a time when one of my party took a few too many mushrooms and spent the evening in bed thinking that the hole in the wall was crawling towards him. it's so depressing that people actually go on holiday there.

pontins has new ownership, doesn't it? maybe they'll give it a do-over for the first time since the mid-70s (seemingly). whether they'd want to have smelly hipsters come and wreck it at low low rates is another matter.

yeah i think the new owners took control a year or two ago now- and as yet from what i've hard done nothing about Camber's obvious problems... it obviously has it's amazing advantages like the beach and more intimate site but they're sort of outweighed by minehead having better accommodation, more facilities, better sound.

I'll need to ask my flatmate how he found Camber this weekend. Mind you, he says he can only remember about a third of it. If you were at Bangface and saw a hairy Scotsman dressed as a Raven (with neon feathers) then that was him. As Jamie says, I doubt he noticed the insects and other nasty things, seeing as he was all k-wobbly.

yeah it was amazing. the curators are the biggest factor by far and along w/ the extras like wet sounds, cinema&tv, are what makes it so special. there's always a good chance i can summon up ppl if you can pull off one like this again

back stateside after taking the trip out to Butlins. got to meet Jamie for a minute one morning. too many musical epiphanies to go into, but i did report on the festival for Spin:
http://www.spin.com/articles/10-best-moments-all-tomorrows-parties

a few things:
having seen Tony Conrad do his "four violins" drone stuff, his set of gibberish was excruciating and disappointing.
Spectrum might have been my dark horse of the festival, delivering a sublime set of mostly Spaceman 3 jams.
Mick Barr/ Orthrelm: would call it shredding were it not for the amazing tapestries of sound the man weaves.
Group Doueh spiritually raised the entire festival to another level with their Sunday performance. such lovely vibes from that.
GGD were otherworldly.

glad you had a good one, thanks for the nice review and was cool to say hello

Jamie: could you shed any light on the Zomby no-show? Was there some expectation that he would maybe turn up at the last minute? I was surprised that it wasn't confirmed until 5 mins before.

Yeah he told he wasn't coming down to stay, he would just turn up a bit before the show and leave after. His is an easy setup so all we needed was him really. On the day there were no reply to our attempts to get in touch with him. Pretty frustrating and kind of silly given he's just signed that 4ad deal and you'd think he'd maybe start acting a bit more professionally?

'he told us' i mean

It's funny, I haven't been to a spring ATP in years, even though I think of them as being far more The Real Deal. I'm sorry they are not going ahead any more, but I suppose as a non-attender it is kind of my fault. I don't even know why I didn't make it this year, and am really sorry I missed the Matt Groening one last year, which all my friends completely loved.

I can hardly be the first person to say this, but what I would love would be a site that combined the best bits of Camber Sands and Minehead - the intimate scale of Camber Sands and the facilities of Minehead.

Meant to ask, did anyone catch Khaira Arby? She was fantastic in Glasgow last night.

Matt Groening one last year, which all my friends completely loved

Yes this one was great. Unexpectedly awesome lineup.

Thanks for the info Jamie - I figured it must have gone down something like that. I've read some interviews where he expresses his love for AnCo/Ariel Pink/Paw Tracks and that whole constellation of artists and he's supported AnCO on tour before, so in retrospect it was even more surprising that he couldn't be bothered to show.

sadly Matt Groening along with the Animal Collective event were two of our lowest ever sellers. stuck between a rock and a hard place sometimes - if we go for more indie/mainstream events we get criticised as being boring and predictable, if we pick interesting curators who pick eclectic bills you get criticised for not having enough big names and you struggle to sell them. such is life i guess - the trick is to try to balance between the two.

by the way just added these onto Nightmare this December: Wild Flag, Oxes, Surfer Blood, Total Control, Underground Resistance Presents Intersteller Fugitives, Four Tet, Theo Parrish (4 Hour DJ Set), Orchestra Of Spheres and Toro Y Moi

Underground Resistance Presents Intersteller Fugitives

Oh. My. God.

You bastards. You utter utter bastards. Now I'm going to have to find the money for another one after vowing that this would be my last for a couple of years. *sigh*

I was kind of blase abt this Dec one but it's tipping over into a solid majority of stuff I really like

mostly stuff I've seen before apart from UR and Bitch Magnet mind you

think it has the potential to be one of the funnest weekends ever. very excited and still a third more of the lineup tbc

that lineup is turning out decidedly O_O. I'm only booked up for the Mangum one so far (well when I say that I mean I've paid my deposit but my chaletmates spent all of their money this weekend so I'm fucked) but I don't think that one will have the same amazing party vibes as this weekend's so now oh shit where am I going to get the money.

sadly Matt Groening along with the Animal Collective event were two of our lowest ever sellers.

you are making me feel really guilty now.

that said, one of things that a lot of people liked about the MG one was that the attendance was a lot lower than normal. I have found the Minehead ATPs to be a bit too big usually in terms of numbers, making it much less likely that you just bump into friends and stuff. But obviously you guys have to make money out of the thing too, and if you are having it in such a big plush venue you need to sell lots of tickets.

that lineup is turning out decidedly O_O. I'm only booked up for the Mangum one so far (well when I say that I mean I've paid my deposit but my chaletmates spent all of their money this weekend so I'm fucked) but I don't think that one will have the same amazing party vibes as this weekend's so now oh shit where am I going to get the money.

― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:06 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^I'm in the same boat.

apart from "my chaletmates spent all of their money this weekend so I'm fucked"

I hope to go to the one with Omar Souleyman.

yella.

Jeff has now picked

Boredoms
Low
The Fall
Colin Stetson
Micachu And The Shapes
Lost In The Trees

"In 2011 the legendary Boredoms have been recording a new album. Their performance will be very rare and entirely new to the UK. Eye will play a sensor from the center of the drummers, less a conductor and more the nexus of an energy orb. Music and performance are intertwined and for the boredoms it is a living and breathing whole. A being, greater than the some of it's parts, and ever evolving. Join the experience and be part of the evolution. It will change how you listen to and how you see music and musical performance."

We had the first performance of this boredoms show in Tokyo in february and from all reports it was mindblowing, so mega excited to have it in the uk.

Boredoms!!!!

also mega mega hyped for colin stetson

woo I can never see Boredoms enough. I think I'll try to avoid *spoilers* wrt what this new show is. Also woo at me getting some of the Mangum @ Union Chapel tickets after missing out on the first release, though it does concern me a bit that they still appear to be available over an hour after the announcement. Are a million people going to buy tickets that don't exist and receive nothing but humble apologies and refunds??

Hoping for a (London?) Boredoms show as well as the ATP appearance. The Shoreditch Town Hall show in 2007 was all kinds of wow.

HELLO, HI.

is there a telephone number available to contact ATP? it's somewhat urgent. all i can find is an email, and i need a more urgent means of contact to the company, regarding an error on a bill enquiry.

THANKS AND STUFF

dayyyym. can you say anything more about the mangum move, jamie?

(good ploy, though - my nagging temptation to splash out on the nightmare before christmas too has now turned itself into a virtual necessity.)

Didn't bump this thread earlier out of sympathy for Jamie, who presumably had a miserable day at work today...

I'm disappointed but the rescheduled dates work ok for me too. A friend is coming over from the US but luckily he had been too lazy to actually buy flights so he hasn't lost out.

ha yeah, my friends coming down from scotland hadn't bothered to book their advance trains, so they're saved the trouble of dealing with that.

Brutal PR nightmare.

get well soon, ATP :(

Thanks folks, as you'd guess I can't say anymore but as we said this move was absolutely necessary and we're really sorry for the trouble it has caused a lot of people due to being late in the game.

Good job Butlins were able to book acts and start selling tickets last week then, eh?

I also note they're selling chalets for the rescheduled dates as they have a 70s weekender on then.

http://www.neonfiller.com/wordpress/?p=4158

So it wasn't Mangum and it wasn't Butlins...

I blame Fleet Foxes

I assume, like most things, this was about money. I got the impression it was selling well, but maybe not? Sucks if you bought nonrefundable airfare (which you have to, to get the best rates).

As someone who was in the office when they had to move CMJ because of 9-11, I can assure you that no amount of ticket problems could balance out the wildly expensive cost of moving an entire festival to a second date.

I'm inclined to agree with that reasoning. I assume we'll find out one day.

Thirty year rule iirc

to make up for being the dick who actually bumped the thread without much thought for how inundated i'm sure jamie's been, i've now bought tickets for the nightmare before christmas. \o/

See you there.

Yeah, whatever their problems are I really hope they manage to sort them out without too much trouble. I fell in love with my gf at the ATP in 2004; I'm taking my son to his first ATP in December. I've seen at least ten of my all time shows at ATP festivals, maybe more.

And, no, I'm really, really not tired of seeing Shellac yet.

Bon chance ATP.

So who is still in for Mangum ATP? This will be my first ever festival so I'm kind of stupidly giddy about it.

DO NOT MISS charlemagne palestine. Was the best thing I saw at GYBE ATP

I'm prepared to go with your instinct on that but after being thoroughly bored by Tony Conrad at ssonic I am sceptical.

I think I'm only really going for Scratch Acid.

I'm going having got a last minute ticket. I'm not particularly bothered about Mangum, but am very much looking forward to all the jazz, especially Roscoe Mitchell, as well as Boredoms, Earth, Group Doueh, Demdike Stare, Raincoats, Joanna Newsom and, of course, Charlemagne Palestine. No idea what he'll be doing this time.

yay!

Had a great time this weekend...I'm now a convert to the ATP cause, just wish I'd got my act together and checked it out years ago.

Absolute highlights: Boredoms, Group Doueh, Magnetic Fields, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, dancing to "Banana Split"
Honourable mentions: Yamantaka//Sonic Titan, Joanna Newsom, Sun Ra Arkestra, Matana Roberts

I think I might have seen Merdeyeux dancing enthusiastically last night but I refrained from going "are you on the Internet?"/interrupting said dancing.

We definitely need an ILM meet-up at the december one if people go. I've got tickets.

how was the crowd at Matana?

Fairly good, but started thinning out about halfway through for no appreciable reason (because you couldn't get in to see anything else).

I had one disappointment every day (Thurston's extensive crying wank about Kim, Low continuing to be Not As Good As They Used To Be, Jeff Mangum being the most abjectly shit thing I've ever seen at an ATP) but the good stuff* made up for it. Special fuck up kudos to ATP for putting up posters delaying the Jeff M and Sebadoh shows without pointing out the delay to the Group Doueh show because Jeff can't bear anything on at the same time as him. Also, he's scared of being photographed and you run the risk of being thrown out if you try.

*Charlemagne Palestine, Matana, YMG, Raincoats, Fall, Half Japanese, Boredoms x2 (Saturday much better than Sunday), Sonic Titan, Mount Eerie, Earth, Demdike Stare, ACME, Roscoe Mitchell, Arkestra, Group Doueh.

Wait, I missed Scratch Acid off the list and they were the best thing all weekend (and the primary reason I went).

I had one disappointment every day (Thurston's extensive crying wank about Kim

say what now? i thought his show at union chapel last year was awesome

We tweeted about the Group Doueh postponement - but yes should have been included on the posters too. Had to be done as otherwise there would be soundbleed into Jeff's set. But he didn't have any rule about people not being at the same time as him - Matana clashed with his set on Friday.

Only going by what Butlins told us you had said, Jamie. (Was it you who gave me my Jeff wristband on Friday btw?)

Yeah, Thurston was slightly drunk (or appeared that way) and bitterness and regret pervaded everything in a way that seemed uncomfortable (and not in a good way).

Plus you've been doing this for over 10 years. PRINTING posters announcing 2 changes and leaving the third one to Twitter - in a location with bad reception and no WiFi - to only your followers (since, unlike most other festivals, you've never publicised a hashtag for attendees to use) is beyond naive it's (giving you the benefit of the doubt that you don't have utter contort for a sizeable proportion of your audience) utterly piss-poor organisation.

Contempt, not contort

The queuing was a bit of a bugger last night but Doueh, Sebadoh and a bit of the meandering Arkestra/Elephant Six/Acme et al Sun Ra jam was a nice way to round a great weekend off.
I was utterly transported by Boredoms, particularly on the Sunday - Super Going and Acid Police were so powerful and beautiful, I was really moved. Likewise Roscoe Mitchell: a really intense listen, but incredible stuff. The Arkestra set was fairly straight ahead, but having got all my avant-garde kicks with Roscoe, a set of big band tunes with the odd bit of free blowing was a joy. Beautiful set from Matana Roberts and Seb Roachford too - this was a great ATP for jazz, so hats off to Mangum for that.
Charlemagne Palestine was really good, although he'd have been better off in Crazy Horse so as to minimise the sound leaks. Seeing him wandering into Burger King and perusing the arcade games was a bizarre but lovely sight. Joyous Raincoats set - a bit rickety at first, but once they got into their groove it was a blast. Really glad they had time for No One's Little Girl and Shouting Out Loud.
Half Japanese were unexpectedly rockin', ace garage-pop with sludgy guitar leads. So much great stuff - the only thing I didn't particularly enjoy was Magnetic Fields. The arrangements were a bit precious and lacking in oomph, and Merrit's vocals have gotten even smugger over the years. Ick.

aldo have you thought about not going to these things?

I'm not snarking, it seems to be a constant source of rage for you

I was done with them, and then I got persuaded to go to this due to the reschedule.

My only problem us that this is supposed to be, you know, HOW YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING. And after over 10 years there are still basic mistakes. Anyone else would be sleeping in a cardboard box by now - although, as you point out, I've been saying this for some years now which suggests it's wilful (if you have noticed it in threads which ATP employees read) rather than just incompetence.

Also, if Jeff Mangum already knows the leakage from Reds is that bad then why have somebody not playing for 6 hours (Mike Watt) sound check during Charlemagne Palestine - the quietest thing on Friday, and he explicitly took the piss out of it.

Last night it was just frustration at standing outside for over 20 minutes while nothing else was open because the promoters hadn't actively bothered to tell the people at the event something they had known for 8 hours.

I think I might have seen Merdeyeux dancing enthusiastically last night but I refrained from going "are you on the Internet?"/interrupting said dancing.

Sounds like me alright! Was that during Group Doueh or the closing DJs? My dancing for the latter was perhaps a little too enthusiastic, evidence being spillage of an entire pint of my own and later a half pint of some poor passer by who got in the way of my drunken splaying...

I went into Jeff Mangum feeling cynical about the whole thing (out of retirement for some reason to play a bunch of songs you wrote fifteen years ago? Hm), but then ended up being pretty absurdly overwhelmed for almost the entirety of his set. I guess when you listen to an album probably 500 times in a year when you're around 18 it'll leave a bit of an imprint on you.

Besides him, shit so much good stuff. Holiday Surprise's peripatetic 'Enlightenment' was a fun way to start the weekend (do you mean something other than that when you say "the meandering Arkestra/Elephant Six/Acme et al Sun Ra jam", Stew?) Joanna Newsom twice over lovely in what I'd guess was her first (or thereabouts) solo set since pre-Ys? Raincoats rather ramshackle but really no worse for it (and bugger, I left before 'Shouting Out Loud' to see The Fall... be The Fall), Boredoms mind-blowing as ever, and Eye's Sunday performance the most unhinged I've seen him (I'm not sure whether the weekend's theme is SPACE. FIRE. TRUTH. is enliiiightenmeeeent or if it's A-CID. PO-LEE-SAAAY), Roscoe Mitchell breathtakingly intense (in terms of live performances reminding me of Mick Barr more than anyone else), Arkestra, well, I insist that Marshall Allen live until he's 150 so I never have to be in a world where I can't occasionally see the Arkestra, and Group Doueh a wonderful vibe to end the weekend on. Even though I then saw a bit of Sebadoh and did aforementioned excessive dancing. Even that big list is mere highlights, the only thing I saw all weekend that I didn't like was The Magic Band (felt like Rush with a bad Beefheart impersonator on vocals, not very appealing), otherwise it was from one high to another for three days straight.

The queuing didn't bother me too much, I did plan on seeing Jeff Mangum twice but when I saw that epic line decided it was pizza time instead, and as Pizza Hut pizzas go it was pretty good. Waiting 15 minutes to get into Reds for Doueh, eh the cold air was bracing. I do feel the need to offer a special negative shout-out, though, to the cunt who refused relinquish his barrier spot for Joanna Newsom when asked by a girl in a wheelchair. Because of course those couple of steps back would have made all the difference to him.

Now I am absurdly tired. But being simultaneously impressed and annoyed by two of the chaletmates who are crashing at my flat tonight delivering a virtuoso performance of Reich's 'Snore Phase'.

TWENTY WHOLE MINUTES!

OK, let's put it in a real world example.

You go to to Mcdonalds for a meal. Part of your order is wrong. You complain about it. You go back. Part of your order is wrong. You complain about it. You go back. Part of your order is wrong. Repeat for 10 years.

I'm done with ATP now - nothing until December 2013 until The National weekend I'm not going to which is plenty of time to get over it.

Yeah,the fact that you demand the same customer service from ATP as McDonalds is on you, not the festival, dogg

Like, afaik, they're like a couple of dudes putting on a DIY event for 4,000 people. This isn't like some huge Bonnaroo production where they are beholden (and subsidized) but a hundred different corporations. They're like a team of a handful of people who are limited in how many fires they can put out in a weekend, and like if they fuck up on something like delaying the Group Duoeh show a little and not telling you, then youre response should probably be "Oh, fuck, that's annoying, oh well" not "I AM DONE PATRONIZING THIS CLOWN SHOW"

Pick whatever example you like - anywhere in the service industry which has at least one fuck up in their basic business every time you go is their fault, not mine. The thing you seem to be missing this time is that they knew this was happening (having printed posters) and chose not to tell people. But defend them all you like for that.

And they're not "a couple of dudes", there's shitloads of them - at IBD a couple of years ago, for example, there was about 20.

Anyway, done arguing about it. As DJ M says, I should just stop caring. So I have.

I meant the jam after Doueh in Reds right at the end. It was meandering in a good way, ie a big jolly knees up where the players held the groove and occasionally jumped out with something striking. Didn't feel the need to sit through all of it, but the atmosphere was lovely and it was delightful to see the beardy E6 chap with the euphonium wander through the crowd.
I wish Magic Band had sounded liked Rush! :) More like a highly accomplished blues rock band, which is not what Beefheart is really about. Really didn't like the noodly session guitarist - he was no Gary Lucas - and I was less convinced by Drumbo's Beefheart impression this time.
Also should mention the ACME set. Beautiful version of Gavin Bryars' Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet with added bowed saw. Perfect start to the day, followed by a good swim, then a delicious Bath Ales Festival Porter, Boredoms, Roscoe and the Arkestra: what an amazing afternoon that was.

Because of the queues I've still never heard anything by NMH/Mangum. Eh.

I wish I'd remembered to bring earplugs as I was too weak to stand anywhere but way back at the tables for Boredoms.

Sounds like me alright! Was that during Group Doueh or the closing DJs? My dancing for the latter was perhaps a little too enthusiastic, evidence being spillage of an entire pint of my own and later a half pint of some poor passer by who got in the way of my drunken splaying...

At the DJs :)

i wanted to go to this so bad :(

This was one of the best ATP lineups over the years. Nothing but sterling reports from a buddy who went. LOL @ 20 minutes/ McDonald's comparison. Having attended a couple mega-festivals in my younger days that were legit clusterfucks my esteem for ATP grows every year.

There were people who queued for the entirety of the second Mangum set who got in on time to see Sebadoh (while the venue was nowhere near capacity) so there's a bit more substance to the complaints about organisation and queuing than a one-off 20 minute wait. People missed entire sets. The Pavilion stage being closed was shit. In past years queuing for an hour for Joanna Newson meant seeing an entire Nick Cave set while you waited. Now there's fuck all but more waiting and listening to people play fucking air hockey.

Why were all the bars closed too? If you didn't want to see Mangum on Sunday night the only place opened and selling booze was for the DJ sets in Crazy Horse. No Jak's, no Hotshots, Reds closed for Mangum set as detailed above (but why not let us in to have a drink and wait for Group Doueh?), no whatever that thing is that used to be an Irish bar, even the real ale kegs were removed by then.

Bitching aside though, I had a mostly great weekend highlighted with two great Boredoms sets, loads of fun post-punk, a bit of funk, some jazz that my jazz-averse ears managed to enjoy and a load of other stuff I've forgotten and will need to look at the line-ups again to remember. Sunday sort of petered out for me but even that was brilliantly bookended by Boredoms and Group Doueh - though I was too full of booze to fully enjoy the latter.

Joanna Newsom twice over lovely in what I'd guess was her first (or thereabouts) solo set since pre-Ys?

i think she's done some - i'm sure i've seen her solo since, even on the last album, but right now i can't think where. we were hoping to go to this, because the lineup was awes and my gf loves joanna more than anyone (i think she's v v v rad too), but £££s and moving house and getting cats...

Group Doueh and the all-star jam afterwards were fab. 30-minute delay = not a big deal when you have arcade games to play. It was a bit odd that it wasn't on the schedule-change posters, admittedly.

I still really want to know what Mark E Smith mumbled about Joanna Newsom on Friday night.

I didn't see Jeff Mangum at all, and no-one has yet suggested to me that I missed anything much.

Very annoyed at scheduling of Charlemagne Palestine to coincide exactly with my bus trip from Taunton (I know, first-world problems etc.)

Also: THE FOG.

ach, seems that I left after Group Doueh with too much haste. Also, good GOD, I could've done without bothering to check how much I spent over the weekend.

Yeah, THE FOG was a lovely touch. And on the bus back to Taunton I chatted with a friendly guy who turned out to be Mike McGonigal.

formerly of this parish Mike McGonigal?

Didn't know that...before my time!

I had a good time at ATP. My favourites were Hawk and a Hacksaw, Group Doueh, the all star jam, ACME, Low, Joanna Newsom, and so on. I did not see Jeff Mangum; I know nothing about him and his music, but I salute his choices of acts for the festival.

I can't really feel that upset at Group Doueh being on a bit later than initially advertised. If they were on earlier and I missed their start, yes, I would be annoyed. But late, no problem.

I also do not really mourn the loss of the pavilion stage as it was always a bit soulless and had shite sound. My sense is that Jeff Mangum proved an unexpectedly large draw, meaning that even with a lower attendance than at classic Minehead ATPs there were people looknig to pack out the upstairs venue. Oh well, such is life.

The one thing that really pissed me off about Minehead is the sound leakage between Reds and the Centre Stage. And it seems to only go upwards. I feel that they should schedule things so that there is nothing on downstairs while people, particularly quiet people, are playing upstairs.

yeah the racket from downstairs during the magnetic fields' set was painful. i enjoyed the boredoms (esp. sundays set) raincoats, roscoe mitchell, the second jeff magnum set (sort-of despite myself and abetted by plenty of half price ale) young marble giants, joanna newsom and a hawk and a hacksaw. demdike stare were a bit underwhelming. apples in stereo were surprisingly fun. I slunk off after 20 minutes of thurston moore despite really falling for demolished thoughts, he was clearly in an emotional pickle. I had no beef whatsoever with the organisation, who looks for tooled professionalism at a rock'n'roll festival? not me for certain. I enjoyed the cinema tonnes too. esp. instrument and benjamin smoke. I should maybe qualify this by saying i haven't been to an atp since the shellac one moons ago or, any remotely comparable festival since primavera , whoops 6 years ago. kids. don't do it.

i missed rafael toral and the folk who did jesus' blood. did anyone see either of those?

Half-price beer was definitely another high point; we stocked up and sat watching the Mangum queue.

I'm still not quite readjusted to reality despite having lots of work deadlines staring at me...mostly thinking about whether I can corral some people into going again in December...

The Jesus Blood people were great. As was half price beer, though it was actually 0.57 price beer.

I liked Demdike Stare - the visuals and crazy music went well together.

Oh and I went to Rafael Toral. Putting two jazz acts on simultanaeously was perhaps a bit of a scheduling error, and I was thinking all the time while watching him that I could have been up at the Sun Ra Arkestra. But in his own terms he was quite entertaining.

what is this thing about half price beer????

WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY TELL ME ABOUT HALF PRICE BEER BEFORE I DECIDED NOT TO GET A TICKET!??????? THIS IS A MAJOR FUCK UP

It was an all-too-brief time of wonder late on Sunday when the real ale stall was about to pack up. They poured out whatever they had left and flogged it off for £2/pint instead of the usual £3.50.

AND they brought you the beer.

fuckers i can't believe this was not tweeted/on the poster!!!!

I didn't see Jeff Mangum at all, and no-one has yet suggested to me that I missed anything much.

I always like to see the headliners in a showing-willing kind of way, so I was happy enough that even though people gave the impression he is not that great he managed to pack out the upstairs venue both times. I am curious about him now, though, so I will probably buy the Neutral Milk Hotel album if local record shop Tower ever gets another copy in.

I missed him too, which was a bit of a bugger seeing as I'm reviewing. Hadn't listened to him in ages, but on the drive back home we stuck on Aeroplane and I remembered that it's a pretty great record, if not quite the work of genius p4k et al claim.
Had a great weekend anyway - still buzzing from it. There are quite a few videos on youtube already. Can post here if you can't be bothered searching...

oh yeah that'd be grand, ta, i could perhaps eke the afterglow out for another day or so watching the highlights on youtube

i'm pretty sure you'd have to be sold on in the aeroplane over the sea to dig magnum playing the songs alone, but he puts it across, nmh made a pretty glorious racket live, i was sort of hoping for a full on reunion as they were all there.

some videos here

http://www.youtube.com/user/clearspot/videos

ta

Cool, that's a lot of videos to check out!

Also: Footage of ACIIIEEEED POLICEEEE!!!!!!! (visuals put through some stupid hipstamatic-alike app for some reason but the sound is fine)

Good sound on that clip - best one I've seen of Acid Police from the weekend. I spent the hour after each of their shows with that stuck in my head.

It prompted me to go back and listen to the original (I think) version on Chocolate Synthesizer - it's amazing how the song has evolved over the years.

kicking myself

A review, if I may...

http://thequietus.com/articles/08278-jeff-mangum-atp-review-boredoms

AHSID POHLEESAAAY and enlightenment are still doing the rounds in my head.

i only managed to get one pint of the cheap booze, drogbadisgrace.gif.

i'm pretty sure you'd have to be sold on in the aeroplane over the sea to dig magnum playing the songs alone

yeah, it was amazingly affecting to me, but 'objectively' i'm sure it wasn't much of anything.

also it was pretty amazing how LOUD boredoms were. during the second performance i went way off to the side for a bit and was briefly sans earplugs when eye was going at it with his whistle, and it felt like some particularly brutal sonic weapon was attacking me from all directions.

That whistle thing was utterly ridiculous...I hope the poor confused Butlin's staff are at least provided with good earplugs.

Stew - nice write-up! You did right in leading off with the Boredoms show, it was the first musical topic of conversation for most people I met. I hardly ran into any serious Mangum obsessives - I guess they were either queuing up or gone to bed early - apart from one guy who overheard me saying I'd never heard NMH and proceeded to tell us how he refused to marry his girlfriend until he played her "In an Aeroplane..." and made sure she liked it.

Thanks. I wanted to do something more thematic than a straightforward chronological report.
Your story about the guy refusing to marry his girlfriend until she listened to Aeroplane reminds me of this Onion classic...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-girlfriend-still-hasnt-seen-apocalypse-now,1504/

!

http://www.atpfestival.com/events/shellacxmas.php

http://www.atpfestival.com/sized/files/ATP-Shellac-2012-WEB_670x0.jpg

very fond memories of going to the shellac atp at cambder sands when i was 17

shame it's not in may tho!

I went to that ATP. 10 years ago!

\^o^/