r&b trend poll

house&B

I'm spent

vanilla ballads are the best always.

keyshia cole "heaven sent" = YESS!

but I'll ride for house&b until I change my mind

but rly I voted for trance-crunk

so what is the difference between lush electro and trancecrunk

the electro-ness

trancecrunk = "Love in This Club"

lush electro = grindmode aka "miami" sans rappers????

?????????

yeah.

but I don't think "love in this club" is a shining example

I went with lush electro b/c I like lush and I like electro and I loved Lloyd's singles last year and that seems to meet the description to me but I guess I don't know wtf lush electro really is.

vanilla ballads= HEARTS ALL OVER THE WORLD TONIGHT HEARTS ALL OVER THE WORLD TOOOONIIIIGHT

lush electro = "Drifter"(/"Bartender"?) and derivatives

yeah "you" is a good one for 'lush electro'

trancecrunk = "Love in This Club"

lush electro = grindmode aka "miami" sans rappers????

-- Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, March 28, 2008 2:45 PM (Friday, March 28, 2008 2:45 PM) Bookmark Link

this, basically

I guess Lloyd can fit in there

add both Lloyd songs to Miami sound, btw

i think i'm voting for house&b if the dream album is included

wait "I'm So High" is a rap song!!!!

where would j holiday - bed fit in.

it's trancey but not crunky.

New Jack Swing, still.

the-dream's album its more trance&b, there's only one house&b song

"I'm So High" barely has any rapping on it.

xp about dream

"Ditch That"???? too slow to be house, if thats what you meant

the one rap verse is actually pretty good though

xp about "i'm so high"

i need a copy without Rouse on it

not that his verse is what made me say that though

matrix ill put it on zshare

on the real i have no idea what any of these mean even though i was part of the discussion so idk what i'm going to vote for

the-dream's record isnt really trancenb either

I probably should have added a category for Linn-drum slow jams

rly tho guys don't sleep on vanilla ballads. keyshia cole "heaven sent" is a perfect song.

there is lots ot tranciness! "nikki" "luv songs" etc.

and there's snap&b like "i luv ur girl"

and there's that one vanilla ballad "mama"

he's got all of the bases covered

where do valentino's latest singles fit in? i loved those (anonymous/tell me). 'trance-crunk'?

the one rap verse is actually pretty good though

-- J0rdan S., Friday, March 28, 2008 2:51 PM (Friday, March 28, 2008 2:51 PM) Bookmark Link

Yeah, especially the "big bon-ed/dark ton-ed" rhyme. But to say it's not an r&b song is pretty wtf.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/9699437b24d724/

thanks

I'm trying to figure out where the house is on the-dream album...

"Anonymous" = definitely trance-crunk

haven't heard the other, I don't think

"anonymous" is part of the trance&b trifecta - "my love," "icebox," "anonymous"

"ditch that" has a 4/4 beat no?

and then luv songs and falsetto sound like late 90s tim

"anonymous" is part of the trance&b trifecta - "my love," "icebox," "anonymous"

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 4:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

i love all three of these i might vote for trance&b

"Can't Help but Wait" & "Like You'll Never See Me Again" = favorite vanilla ballads of the mo

^^^^^^this!

new mario joint is good trance-crunk

"Ditch That" is straight Timbaland

ashanti's "way that I love you" is my fave vanilla ballad out right now besides keyshia cole "heaven sent" & "i remember"

xp timbo: who I guess is the father of what we're calling house&b here with the way i are or whatever but I doubt the-dream was lsitening to Strictly Rhythm records when he made that song

I'm trying to figure out where the house is on the-dream album...

-- Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, March 28, 2008 4:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ditch that but also the track w/ rihanna

xp timbo: who I guess is the father of what we're calling house&b here with the way i are or whatever but I doubt the-dream was lsitening to Strictly Rhythm records when he made that song

-- Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, March 28, 2008 5:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

pretty sure he's heard some strictly rhythm tracks tho

yeah 'livin a lie' is totally house

not that anyone claimed that was the kind of house someone had to be listening to to make house&b anyway

i mean who hasn't heard 'i like to move it'

or 'follow me'

whatever picked a house label let's argue about it

check this out, i guess this is lush electro??? I just think of it as part of that Miami sound

http://www.zshare.net/audio/96997192209266/

Stuey Rock - "Nymphomaniac"

Where does vocoder fit in that mess?

there's vocoders in all of these except vanilla ballads

yeah this stuey rock is totally "lush electro" I think

yeah t-pain is all over the place-- 'buy u a drank' is snap&b, 'bartender' is i guess lush electro, 'kiss kiss' and 'i'm the boss' and other stuff are basically rap songs

there's vocoders in all of these except vanilla ballads

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 5:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

there's a vocoder in the-dream's vanilla ballad about his momma

see "Livin A Lie" to me is just straight up R&B

and also we're conflating vocoders w/ autotune

see "Livin A Lie" to me is just straight up R&B

-- Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, March 28, 2008 5:11 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

its a straight 4 on the floor beat too. how are you defining 'house&b'?

xp lol that just came on as I read your post, "Mama"...this song sucks

that song is great

lol I don't know what the fuck house&b is!!! but house is definitely faster than "Livin A Lie" i think? also less song-y

i know it sounds like im just trying to disagree with everything you say but really you are just wrong about everything

some stuff:
07 FRIENDS WITH BENEFETS P. DOT-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds_MdM9B8U0 pretty good vanilla ballad, twinkling bells like that keys song
08 BOOTY MUSIC GIT FRESH-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTwWGNpOuI this one is really really really good i should have posted this earlier, it's got like vocoder, fatman scoop yelling drops, lush-electro verses, all over the place and great

also that colby o donnis song for lush-electro i think

I don't like songs that are about things

where do you find this stuff.

he's on the internet 24/7 so what else is he gonna do?

zing-a-ling

I don't know what the fuck house&b is!!!

Fast r&b with 4-to-the-floor machine-beats. Not that hard, fella.

hahaha yeah it's hard when your homework involves a computer

yeah yeah we zingin over here

Fast r&b with 4-to-the-floor machine-beats. Not that hard, fella.

exactly. FAST. livin a lie = slow

zing zing gettin' sonnied over here

lol

livin a lie is more trance&b to me

HERE ARE MY SECRETS:

when i'm not at home (in miami) to listen to the radio i just check this chart http://www.power96.com/index.php?page=42 and youtube the stuff i've never heard

I'm sittin here trying to read michael schudson...all this fragmentation of markets and r&b is getting me riled up

if grind mode/ball greezy weren't just starting to get mad spins when i was home for winter break i prolly wouldn't have heard them until much later

so it's mostly local stuff then.

ny's local scene is so lame.

yeah thankfully there are djs here who don't shy away from spinning local shit even if it isn't as popular as chris brown or whatever

is "no air" just a vanilla ballad?

man i really love this mario/polow song

it's a power-ballad

"fragmentation of markets" is a total misnomer, though. The same people are listening to all this stuff, and it's certainly all in conversation with each other.

which one? crying out for me?

that was about my journalism reading, not this thread lol

hey guys, this is a really interesting thread!!!!!

which one? crying out for me?

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 5:22 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

yeah

I'm actually kind of surprised the r&b power-ballad didn't become more of a trend in the wake of "Umbrella".

tape store you should read that estelle thread though its kinda confusing

livin a lie is more trance&b to me

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 5:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

!???????????what is trance about this song

o good tape store is here to save it

ny's local scene is so lame.

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 3:20 PM (Friday, March 28, 2008 3:20 PM) Bookmark Link

HAHAHAHA you have no idea how good you have it

me too, "no air" and tiffany evans "i'm grown" are the only songs that sound post-"umbrella" to me

um, those MASSIVE SYNTHS maybe.

deej stop being a dick

i'm tired of lame mixtape rappers who all sound like uncle murda & papoose.

rapping over boring sub-heatmakerz beats.

i think tape store was being genuine anyway

deej stop being a dick

-- J0rdan S., Friday, March 28, 2008 5:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

i was only being a dick to tape store, your zings were just for lols

har&bdman deej

nah i was just talkin about the tape store and matrix things, zings =/ being a dick

if I'd have to choose I'd say "Livin A Lie" leans toward house only because when I think of the trance stuff I think more euphoric, epic

anyway more importantly @ brainwasher - there are plenty of synths like that in house music! that beat is totally house

yeah preview otm actually

i'm tired of lame mixtape rappers who all sound like uncle murda & papoose.

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, March 28, 2008 3:26 PM (Friday, March 28, 2008 3:26 PM) Bookmark Link

yah, those dudes suck, but I'll take them over Seattle's backpack hegemony

ha they're both pretty lame dudes

no one should ever sound like papoose

papoose and remy ma v. young dro aand fantasia

has anyone heard the radio edit of 'falsetto'? it's totally bizarre. it's like verse-chorus-verse-chorus-long ass bridge where the song should end-verse and then it cuts off

Dyme Def = saving lights of Seattle rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlnoqja9iGw

^^That's not one of their best songs, but it beats the shit out of Common Market or Blue Scholars or whatever.

to get back into this thread kinda, just in case no one saw this, this thing from pop idolator 07 http://pop.idolator.com/319055/2007-in-the-mix-rich-juzwiak is a pretty good outline of the whole 4/4&b thing

xp to self: actually, I think I'm underselling that song

6. Omarion and Kat DeLuna, "Cut Off Time" (from Feel the Noise OST, Sony BMG)

^^underrated

wtf is "No One" doing on that list

rtfm

isn't any Timbo post-Futuresex trancecrunk?

xp: I read up to "You needn't look further than the name of my blog" and took his word for it

his blog is really awesome btw. great ANTM recaps.

haha yeah tyra.gif thread's rss feed

no one cares about nivea anymore but 'i might' should fit in here somewhere.

rhea's 'don't let go' off that rich j idolator mix is probably my fave out of all the house&b stuff i've heard.

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which is "don't stop the music"

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booshit

i don't even remember what i voted for or what we decided half of these mean but i'm pretty okay with house&b

wtf 20 votes too

oh man i've been calling it R&House - talk about makin a fool out of yourself

snap&lol

^^that

heard a dj throw the just the drumbeat from "My Boo" under "Love in this Club" the other day. Vast improvement.

they got djs like that in seattle?

haha a week ago I walked into the bar where Matos was djing and the first thing he says to me is "I'M ON ACID!"

-- The Reverend, Monday, March 31, 2008 1:13 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

loooool

haha sarge

the usher/ghost town thing was on the radio