Best Darkthrone Album

For me, Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space. Some people think they've been taking the piss for years. Could be! I think Darkthrone's piss-taking beats most bands' seriousness though.

i've only heard the first five. making me no expert. so for me it would be blaze in the northern sky - vs - transilvanian hunger. and transilvanian hunger would win.

transilvanian hunger is THE black metal album for me

Scott you NEED to hear the new one.

As the pollstarter I am keepin' my answer secret 'til the blackened end!

i'm tempted to put down 'goatlord' as it's the first one i heard all those years ago, and subsequently played quite a pivotal part in my black metal journey. but i'm gonna go with 'a blaze in the northern sky' - their first venture into black metal, and still my pick for the best thing they've done.

I've never listened to Darkthrone, but reading the AMG reviews I reckon I'll like this band - do I start at the beginning?

transilvanian hunger cold so cold

First album is Entombed/Therion style death metal. Excellent but unlike anything they did afterwards.

Go with either of the three albums afterwards which are the ones that got them their reputation. A Blaze is a glorious Celtic Frost-meets-Bathory riff-salad, Under A Funeral Moon is the most bleak/morbid/recorded-in-a-crypt sounding one and Transilvanian Hunger is in-your-face relentless minimalist.

I dig a lot of the lo-fi murky sounding black metal bands so I guess I'll go with Under A Funeral Moon first, thanks!

Even though it's probably not their best album, Transilvanian Hunger is the first one I heard, and stuck with me the most. It's the only one I own. I will admit that I haven't heard about half of the albums on the list, though.

This is tough. I've only heard albums 2-5, parts of SJ and parts of Cult is Alive. Of the those early ones, I'm tempted to say Under a Funeral Moon but I actually like Panzerfaust a lot.

Got Transilvanian last year in the Tower meltdown -- love it.

actually i shouldn't say that i've never heard the later stuff. whenever i listen to black metal on lastfm they always play lots of latter-day darkthrone, but i always forget what albums they are from. and i don't think i've heard anything as good as the early stuff.

but i believe that the new stuff is good. i still haven't heard new mayhem either.

>For me, Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space.

I have a short list of those myself - Slayer, Motörhead, Amon Amarth...if there was a black metal band on that list, it'd be Immortal.

if the immortal vocalist didn't sound so corny, i might like them more.

Blaze and Funeral Moon have some Bathory-ish tracks and they switched to Celtic Frost mode in Panzerfaust, but Transilvanian Hunger is the album where everything sounds like nobody else.

I do not have enough metal cred to have a legit opinion on this, but Northern Sky takes it in my book.

I voted for Blaze, but it could've been Transylvanian.

but I actually like Panzerfaust a lot.

me too, so i voted thusly. first one i heard (after soulside journey), loud, blasting out of shitty car stereo speakers. the vocals are recorded and mixed so it feels like ted culto's sitting in your lap and screaming at you.

(also realized i'm only 4 cds away from a complete darkthrone collection... i should get on that.)

I do not have enough metal cred to have a legit opinion on this, but Northern Sky takes it in my book.

that's imagined baggage Hoos, I don't think metal is as demanding of "cred" (whatever on earth that actually means) as...ahem some other genres maybe are

of course there'll always be some douche who'll decry you as a noob somewhere or whatever but if your gut is telling you that A Blaze in the Northern Sky is the shit, then your gut is substantially non-different from plenty tr00-est of the tr00 dudes you dig?

Panzerfaust

TEN HUNGRY WAVES THEY SWALLOWED MY SHIP
OH, I STEADILY WALKED HOME (AND I ONLY GOT WET ON MY FEET

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i dig

panzerfaust is so great.

holy crap is panzerfaust really gonna beat transilvanian hunger?

Which is the one with the big radio hit again?

gotta be Emperor's "Curse You All Men," I think that charted in like fifteen countries

darkthrone have actually charted in norway with 'too old, too cold' and 'nwobhm' (and probably with their two respective albums as well).

as for the poll: it's a tough one. 'under a funeral moon' and 'transilvanian hunger' are the ones where they perfected the stripped-down, minimalist black metal which i suppose they've been credited as the originators of. but for me, it's a choice between 'a blaze in the northern sky' and -yes- 'panzerfaust'.

t. hunger

tho john is right about the new one being great

I vote for Transilvanian Hunger for being the fantastic aural torture session it is, but A Blaze probably made the biggest impression on me at the time - of course the talk was all there but A Blaze was the first actually *musical* statement the Norwegians made that could not be denied by anyone. First Nordic album on a "credible" label with proper distribution as well (Peaceville was pretty much *the* underground Metal label at the time). We're talking late 1991 here, Burzum hadn't released a note, Mayhem only had the then four year old crappy Deathcrush demo to show, Thorns was busy filling murky rehearsal tapes, Emperor were still writing material for their demo and Immortal were in their 100%-Bathory-clone phase. For nearly every Metalhead outside Norway, A Blaze was the point they really started paying attention to the Norwegian scene.

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Justice is served!

I was out of town this weekend, meant to slip in my vote for Panzerfaust but missed the due date.

FIVE MILLION CHRISTIANS ON A RIDE TOWARDS US
OH, I SLAUGHTERED THE BUNCH WITH ONE SINGLE HIT (WITH MY SPEAR)
FIVE MILLION WOMEN SO ALONE IN THE NIGHT
OH, I HAD THEM ALL SATISFIED PROFUSELY (EVERY NIGHT BY MYSELF)

this is fuckin' great.

varg wrote that shit. double CREDABILITIES.

no votes for Funeral Moon? nobody?

i know, crazy

well you guys didn't vote for it either!

with only 22 voters, that sort of thing happens... i voted for 'panzerfaust', guessing that 'transilvanian' and 'a blaze' would get the most ones.

Siegbran you'd take Funeral Moon over TH?

FIVE MILLION WOMEN SO ALONE IN THE NIGHT
OH, I HAD THEM ALL SATISFIED PROFUSELY (EVERY NIGHT BY MYSELF)

this strains credulity

your n00bs are showing h00s, every longstanding BM listener can satisfy five million women and have energy left for cricket

FIVE MILLION WOMEN SO ALONE IN THE NIGHT
OH, I HAD THEM ALL SATISFIED PROFUSELY (EVERY NIGHT BY MYSELF)

this is like straight out of a blue song.

blueS

darkthrone are the bee's knees

also the cat's pajamas

they might be "the bomb" as well, but don't quote me on that

Siegbran you'd take Funeral Moon over TH?

On many days yes - still voted for TH. But Funeral Moon is their "ugliest" album and I'm just surprised nobody had a preference for that.

Thanks to everyone on this thread - I've since listened to A Blaze In The Northern Sky, Under a Funeral Moon and currently listening to Transylvanian Hunger (which is totally awesome). I liked Under a Funeral Moon better than Blaze but I think TH is even better. This band rules!

Well done.

either Under a Funeral Moon or Translvanian Hunger

AMG review of TH: "Like most of Darkthrone's early material, it's an unpleasant dentist-drill experience that only the unholiest of unholies will pretend to enjoy."

Pretend to enjoy? What a cunt.

Yea, there is rhyme to reason in black metal so I can tell that that reviewer just hadn't figured it out.

speaking of black metal I just got Mayhem's De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas again yay \m/

you know what would be cool? a version of "deathcrush" that doesn't cost more than a dollar a minute. even cooler would be a double cd with all of the shitty-sounding dead material.

I usedto have Dawn of the Black Hearts, fresh with the cover photo of Dead with his brains in his lap...but alas I needed money and ebay called.

gott punch have you got the Preparing for War special edition?

no. no, i don't. i bought the regular version (when it first came out) and i hate buying things twice, no matter how stupid that is of me.

Do you recommend it, j0hn?

I don't have it yet, it's on order

After the release of "The Cult Is Alive" many conversations took place if they are still black metal and that will happen now. That’s bullshit of course ’cause if someone believes that this recording is not black metal then probably has no idea of what he is talking about. I, really, don’t remember many people back at the rise of 90s that were listening to this band; now all of them consider themselves as black metal masters with opinion for everything having constantly their mouth open telling nonsense. Well, they can put their opinions...you know where!!!

i'm listening to 'goatlord' now out of sympathy for it's lack of appreciation in the poll.

an odd record, but i've got a soft spot for it. i've heard it referred to as the darkthrone 'singalong' record, and that sort of makes bizarre sense. a lot of fun to listen to with some really unexpected use of female vocals.

An odd album indeed, the female vocals were actually sung by Fenriz.

I probably would have voted for Blaze, had I seen this thread.

I really should give that latest album a shot...

haha sung by fenriz. that should come as a surprise, but somehow doesn't :)

"Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space."

on the motherfucking mark

I'm absolutely a Soulside Journey guy. The rest of it... is fine.

i only own blaze thru panzerfaust and i've been listening to them an absolutely unhealthy amount these past few weeks. what else in the black metal genre sounds like this? i will listen the unholy fuck out of it.

To the layman, all black metal sounds like Dark Throne.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Darkthrone.jpg

this is my favourite artist picture ever.
i only heard Transilvanian Hunger (i guess it's the right one to hear) sounds like a cool broken tape. Darkthrone might be a bit like Jandek, you actually WANT to like this, and then you do.

Am I damn fool for not having paid attention since Plague Wielder? I never dug that and Ravishing Grimness all that much, so I figured there was no point in keeping up.
I think I still have a Transylvanian Hunger shirt somewhere -- I'm probably too fat for it now, which is METAL \m/

Can't say I'm particularly curious about Fenriz' split with Nattefrost, despite the silly name ("Engangsgrill")

I am a damn fool for still buying every Darkthrone record. It's more of a charity thing I guess. They're fun for a few spins like latter day Motorhead records.

I have an old A Blaze shirt which I wear proudly but but not too often since I moved to one of the most unmetal cities on earth. Apart from the grim and frostbitten mountains.

Darkthrone rule. This is a fact. Such variety over the years too! The range from "goatlord" to "panzerfaust" to "F.O.A.D" is part of what keeps the plot interesting. I wear my "Total Death" sweatshirt with pride.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S0FvMOce1cc/Ss89foQADWI/AAAAAAAADfo/clvO8VCjrHQ/s1600-h/fenriz.png

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/302/fenriz.png

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes

Fenriz having a Plastikman tattoo *and* a tattoo for the Guidance label is still a mindblower to me. It's so "fuck it" that's it's just more punk than having some axe-wielding troll tattoo or whatever.

I'm absolutely a Soulside Journey guy. The rest of it... is fine.

i read this as "I'm absolutely a Southside Johnny guy. The rest of it... is fine." which made me lol heartily.

i think that beach ball is actually deflating fenriz.

that would explain his bizarre posture

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/SLbG854r1iI/AAAAAAAABAg/l6Ge3ubUr-k/s1600-h/fenritz_tattoo.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/SLbG854r1iI/AAAAAAAABAg/l6Ge3ubUr-k/s1600-h/fenritz_tattoo.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/SLbG854r1iI/AAAAAAAABAg/l6Ge3ubUr-k/s1600-h/fenritz_tattoo.jpg

Dilberts Hund

After an initial few listens, staying away for a few months, and returning to it last night, I've come to the conclusion that I LOVE Transilvanian Hunger. I find the odd chord changes completely gripping; I haven't delved into them theory-wise, but they're definitely a defining characteristic of this record (and not of a type I've encountered much). They're somehow catchy, even though they're non-intuitive. It's one of those records where, when I'm not listening to it, I have a hard time conjuring up anything specific about it, but when it's on I get this really intense deja vu-like connection to it, as if I can feel in my gut where each turn will lead. Its immersiveness is very similar in spirit to me to Loveless, actually, and not to any other record I can think of.

under a funeral moon robbed in this thread; also, maybe more understandably, sardonic wrath

Under a funeral moon seems to be everyone's second favourite Darkthrone record.

TH is perfection

like everything i wanted black metal to be when i finally dived into it

transilvanian hunger is the sound of a band that knew precisely what they wanted to do and executed it flawlessly. first-rate.

I've gone from gently dabbling in this band to loving them full-stop in like two months. This quote now makes complete and total sense to me:

For me, Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space. Some people think they've been taking the piss for years. Could be! I think Darkthrone's piss-taking beats most bands' seriousness though.

― J0hn D., Friday, October 5, 2007 10:27 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

PANZERFAUST is fucking INCREDIBLE. The riffs are so ridiculously catchy, too; I get them stuck in my head all the time.

A Blaze in the Northern Sky has to have one of my favorite album openings of all time... The way "Kathaarian Life Code" starts with that nearly hilarious solemn droning chant, cold and corpselike, Nocturno Culto spitting out words like they're nails stuck in his throat, "we..... ah..... a-blaze.... in zuh nawthen... sky": then KKKZZZWWWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH! [pf ch pf ch pf ch pf ch], like electrocuted animals ripping through the skin of that drone and just attacking everything around them... I can't think of many records that begin with that much exhilaration.

ravishing grimness is incredible, just one awesome riff after another

which describes every darkthrone record but yeah

Good to know; I keep wondering where to start with the post-Panzerfaust stuff

also plaguewielder has the reputation as being the worst darkthrone record and i can see why b/c the production is clean as hell and the riffs are kind of distant and uninviting, but i don't know, i still think it's great!. "i, voidhanger"!

the underground resistance! "valkyrie"!

i'm sort of a dabbler with this band--i like transilvanian hunger and their last one, circle the wagons a bunch--but i'm really digging the new one! where should i go from here?

Dark Thrones and Black Flags? A Blaze in the Northern Sky? Pretty much can't lose with the last couple and the first 3 black metal albums.

Oh shit, yeah, PANZERFAUST is really, really good.

Hope their next album's called The Drexciya btw.

Fenriz is typically super enthusiastic about UR in the new issue of Terrorizer fyi

the singing on the new one is a kick

"Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space."

except not routinely because I only just started listening to them. didn't expect I would like it so much tho

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=90237

This time all the lyrics seem to be, again coincidentally, about Judgment, sans “Valkyrie,” which is a song to my woman.

i used to kinda hate listening to the frostland tapes (i mean, relative to their other stuff - it was still better than listening to, say, kokomo). these days it all i want to listen to, for some reason. i get really lost in it.

the correct answer to this q though is transilvanian hunger, though, obv, before anyone gets any ideas about what im saying here

Underground Resistance is such a fucking killer album. Fuck yes Darkthrone

wtf Under a Funeral Moon 0 votes

hate them & cult is alive got one apiece vs. 0 for the one that rivals transilvanian hunger so yes wtf/lol. I suspect those two votes were "I like the name of this one best" votes tho

hate them and cult is alive are fine, but i refuse to believe they are anybody's favorite darkthrone album

enjoying the love that panzerfaust got though. on the right days that's my favorite darkthrone album

I had always assumed Blaze... was considered to be THE classic, wrongly I suppose

"Underground Resistance" is awesome, we were driving around the other day and "Leave No Cross Unturned" made the drive into something epic

blaze is 2nd imo

I think Under a Funeral Moon, Blaze, and Transylvanian are my favs. the latter being the first I heard

Those are the three I know best, getting hold of Panzerfaust RIGHT NOW though!

Leave No Cross Unturned better end up in EOY tracks

under a funeral moon > transilvanian hunger > a blaze in the northern sky (tho they stand really close to each other)

'ravishing grimness' comes next. guess i need to listen to 'panzerfaust' again. never really cared that much about that one.

Transilvanian hunger is mesmerizing

Never would have thought to listen to it if not for the first post itt, so thx

the title "Panzerfaust" is nagl

yeah you'd think they'd have given flirting with that kind of thing a miss

well, lyrics by varg, ya know

Panzerfausts were badass.

did you just link us to the wikipedia entry for Panzerfausts, just checking

At your service, baby.

But I'm also happy to point you to Peter Panzerfaust.

Hero of the underground resistance.

dude, we know what they are.

Sorry, it just sounded like you took offense at a reference to a piece of military hardware by a Metal band.

you are misreading basically every input you have here

Ausgebombt!

(Sorry, that has nothing to do with anything. Except Sodom. And Sodom probably has everything to do with everything. I take back my apology.)

Looking at Darkthrone on Spotify today (more or less tr00 than CDs? I dunno!) and found that some of the albums had new covers! Plaguewielder and Ravishing Grimness at least. No more old man haunting the woods. Those are incidentally the last two DT albums I've heard -- I should get up to date some day. I do vaguely recall having heard something off FOAD.

Under a Funeral Moon 0

No way. I'm starting to think that Under a Funeral Moon is just my favourite black metal album period. Such infernally catchy songs on that album.

F.O.A.D. deserves a vote too, if just the one

entering this phase of fandom where I start to obsess on a band's lesser albums is as good a time as any to say that Goatlord is amazing. like a nerdy, home-recorded art-metal thesis. Ruins meets Sabbath, Darkthrone finding their way from death to black metal.

Fenriz on FB:
Darkthrone news anyone? it seems we will go to the necrohell 2 studios to record something for the upcoming album already 9 days from now a.k.a next weekend.

what time are they going 2 break 4 lunch

a.k.a. next weekend LOL

I always read Fenriz updates in the style of Propellerhead instructional videos or Amsterdam hostel workers. Yes, I know he's not Dutch.

Might look into recording a soft pop album at necrohell 2

what time are they going 2 break 4 lunch

whenever they want, I think necrohell 2 is just Fenriz's home studio

fenriz is gonna have 2 stock up on cheetos 8 days from now a.k.a. next friday then

http://www.nocleansinging.com/2016/08/08/arctic-thunder-darkthrone-returns-with-a-new-album/

music that is more serious and primitive than usual

Molecular structure defines
the imaginary balls

have to say, all of that sounds good to me, and the cover is definitely of the more old school Darkthrone variety than pretty much anything they've released this century

Also remembering the first time Fenriz referenced the new album was on his radio show, when he was playing Head of the Demon, saying Dthrone's stuff was going to be similarly "introverted". And that would be awesome!

also, here is what Amazon UK says is the tracklisting:

1. Tundra Leach - 05:02
2. Burial Bliss - 04:59
3. Boreal Fiends - 05:50
4. Inbred Vermin - 05:49
5. Arctic Thunder - 04:41
6. Throw Me Through the Marshes - 05:00
7. Deep Lake Tresspass - 04:48
8. The Wyoming Distance - 03:14

Looking forward to this LAMF

ABITNS 4 lyfe

A Blaze In the Northern Sky

Has some weird kinship with the first At The Gates album, despite the different subgenre. Listen to them back to back and see what I mean--they capture a very similar surreal twisted beauty.

Listening to Arctic Thunder for the first time and enjoying it. It's their 17th album. Is their later stuff all good? I feel I've stuck to the 3 or 4 classics and maybe lost out...

even the ones that didn't seem good to me at some point seem good to me now tbh

Darkthrone are a band that, if you love metal of all stripes, will always deliver. They ape their influences proudly and usually execute well. The only duds in their discography might be the early aughts albums, but if you bookend the middle period with Panzerfaust on one end and F.O.A.D. on the other you're good. I don't mean to disparage the albums from that era but the production is not on par with their best. Arctic Thunder is great, tho.

Thanks. So to clarify - Panzerfaust thru to FOAD are to be avoided?

Or Total Death thru to The Cult Is Alive?

Panzerfaust in the last great album of theirs from the 'classic' era imo. I didn't dig anything after that until FOAD. But again, such a great, dedicated band that I can't really say avoid anything.

I listened to Plaguewielder recently and it was better than I remember.

Also, check out Goatloard. Maybe online before you buy it, but to certain weirdos (like me) it's a great, strange record.

that's the thing. last time I listened to FOAD it was way better than it seemed when it was new. they're a smart and good band, and even their ebbs are worth some listens.

Hate Them underrated imo

Hate Them & Sardonic Wrath are the albums I listen to most!

Darkthrone!! *puts on Darkthrone*

the commentary fenriz does for peaceville's reissue of transilvanian hunger is pretty awesome and hilarious. he talks at one point about how important track order is to him and says "that's an important job of being a musician as well! although i don't call myself a musician, that's disgusting." then he takes a beer break

love that man

i watched his "Black Metal 101" lecture last night and spent the night listening to Bathory, Tormentor and Darkthrone.

I finally completed my Darkthrone albums collection and have come to the conclusion that it's all pretty good.

New Darkthrone album coming soon! 'Old Star'. from fb:

Okay people, soon comes a new serving of Darkthrone! So get ready for the arrival of the Old Star. It’s like the 80s never left! Pre-order here darkthrone.lnk.to/OldStarFA
We are back with the RIFFS and more metal than EVER!!!
Mixed by Sanford Parker & mastered again by our good friend Jack at Enormous Door. The stellar cover artistry comes courtesy of Chadwick St John, titled “The Shepherd of the Deep”

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54398972_2679102548798327_6766640010419503104_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ams3-1.xx&oh=950fd2529554792c0f722ea063aa8573&oe=5D4C7CA9

Looking forward to it

As long as it's better than their last six or seven albums, which are a complete blur to me, I look forward to it as well.

I don’t think that at this point we can expect much more from Darkthrone than fun filled 80’s pastiche.

Darkthrone are firmly in Ramones territory for me now tbh. I know they'll never be as good as they were but I'm also not likely to be mad at anything they put out.

total death is total-ly underrated

agree... love the bass sound and general production and strong material

I think Panzerfaust/TD/Ravishing are a great trilogy, actually.

goooood, I forgot how great Blaze is....

There's a riff in Where Cold Winds Blow that sounds like two guitars imitating a chainsaw gone bezerk and i keep replaying that part. A Blaze In The Northern Sky has a LOT to offer

just digging deeper into these dudes... was not aware that they switched over to a more uhhhh punky bikers from hell kinda sound for a bit there. (FOAD and Circle the Wagons). It’s really cool!!!

still haven't heard those! i skipped them and went to the later ones.

need to loop back

new record is sick

it sounds like shit and the riffs are just so goddamn great and they drape over the drums like rotted robes

it's pretty fucking good... hoping Old Star and Eternal Hails are the first two of yet another trilogy

I thought Old Star was alright, mostly thanks to the proverbially epic 'Hardship of the Scots', but Eternal Hails is yet another post-Panzerfaust release that leaves me cold, and not in the trve kvlt sense. That said, I'm that rare beast: a black metal enthusiast who merely likes rather than worships Darkthrone.

I enjoy this, but at the same time it kinda feels like they're going through the motions?

idk if that's true of the last two tracks

lol yeah I wrote that before I got that far.

It really does sound like shit but the tunes are undeniable

if it doesn't sound like crap it isn't a Darkthrone record.

do you have to be cool with nazism to be a true metalhead

obviously the answer to your good faith question is yes

hard to think of many other genres where this shit is just normal

it’s something i grapple with way more as a mayhem fan than as a darkthrone fan but go off

i do lament the normalization of buying records by nazis in metal communities

wtf? Darkthrone has literally made a statement that they are are not Nazis, so why wouldn't you go after actually dodgy bands? But I guess that would undermine your argument, since most metalheads avoid those.

fuck off

ahh this is a productive discussion

they collaborated with varg & have an album called panzerfaust but hey at least they said they're not nazis

this kind of denial & defensiveness is absolutely typical though

what exactly is your 'endgame' here. did you read Wikipedia, get mad, and enter this thread?

"hey guys, here are two facts nobody has disputed that are both 20+ years old, here I am to blow your minds with it and suggest you are all Nazis!!!!"

opened thread, saw album title, did 2 minutes of google research, got pissed off at metal culture yet again

i knew this would happen because i know metalheads don't like being called out on this shit

we've literally had the conversation on ILX for more than ten years, you obstinate dumbfuck

you stumble into the thread after learning about it five minutes and we're the assholes? fuck you.

no fuck you for not coming to the obvious necessary consensus on this

i knew this would happen because i know metalheads don't like being called out on this shit

― Left, Saturday, June 26, 2021 10:46 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i was defensive bc you were being an asshole from the jump, i wonder why this keeps happening to you

i have been through this before with metal fans so i know how it goes & being polite doesn't work

does this work

also fuck off man, we're not a monolith

Left, have you ever doubted the soundness of your position on… just about anything, really?

yes, this is pretty clear cut though, do you know how this looks to people with no connection to metal culture

Is it now. If I were you, I'd start by reading the countless threads we've collectively devoted to this topic and its various avatars over the years.

Left, I honestly don't care if you get FPed anymore. you're a smart dude, but you're also a cunt, and you presume the worst about everybody and willfully ignore the 15+ years of discussion that have happened on this board ON THE EXACT TOPIC YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. which, if you'd actually use the search function, would turn up that the discussion has a much wider range of opinion on the topic than you'd be willing to admit. yeah, there are definitely posters here that will literally jedi-handwave the sins of the metal scene away and go "#notallmetalbands", but I don't think Big HOOS, aerosmith, or others in this thread fit that category.

i don't think it's necessary to call left a c***

i was on the verge of calling his rhetorical tactics cop-ish tho

i am aware of the discussions - so what? this thread has been free of them until now

i have only directly insulted the band and metal in general and i haven't called any posters nazis yet

i could and maybe should go after slayer and motorhead too but i hold my tongue, this is egregious though and i decided complaining on another thread wasn't enough

i'd rather be called a cunt than the other thing

Besides, you're British, right?

and german, so

i don't listen to burzum bc that guy is a nazi and i read a lot of persuasive arguments on here back in the day that even listening to nazi shit without giving them your money is some kind of tacit support, i took it to heart, that's still what i live by (even though i think also on some level i respond to regressive shit (just regressive shit that isn't advocating for racist and sexist garbage or whose avatar isn't advocate of racist and sexist garbage, more regressive like a shot-on-video horror is regressive. and i definitely draw my own lines when it comes to this stuff.... as we all do? even with darkthrone, whose most famous record has some nazi shit in the liner notes but who have presented themselves as aggressively not-nazis ever since as far as i have been able to tell)

hard to tell if the british ppl on here are cool with americans calling them cunts, i just assumed it wasn't cool

yeah I didn't mean to be #notallmetalbands, but like Brad said, they've definitely presented since as not-nazis.

cop-ish does work. I think back to the thread DJP started last year, asking why so many black metal threads had been started in a multi-day period, and offering the perspective that it was a particularly ugly look as it happened during the midst of the George Floyd situation, since a few of the threads did discuss some bands with checkered pasts, something that DJP has been brought up in the past and wanted to discuss.

that was my fault, as I was the thread bumper, and it had happened on a night where I depressed and lonely and listening to music and bumped a few thematically connected threads. Is there defensiveness in the metal scene? of fucking course. it exists on this board, and throughout the scene. we saw it in DJP's thread. I'm embarrassed by it and have spent a lot of time fighting it and racism/sexism in the scene in person, even though I've been clowned for it as being an SJW at times in recent years.

DJP got rightfully angry during that thread because the question was essentially for me (as the thread bumper), but many other people jumped in, defensive, not listening to his concerns, being condescending to them, and rushing to preserve the sanctity of metal, while ums and sarahell rightfully asked everybody to dial it back and listen. He gave the board the opportunity to explain themselves, and we failed because we didn't listen and talked over him (I felt bad as I had missed the discussion for several hours).

So to Brad's point, yes, metalheads are not a monolith, and we're not all averse to copping to our own sins or the sins of our genre. we have a lot of pieces of shit amongst us - and not all of us police it properly.

but Left isn't interested in anything but gotcha politics, being able to label and paint with a broad brush, isn't even interested in prior discussions we've had regarding Darkthrone and their early origins, or the makeup of who was a part of these discussions. that's the 'defensiveness' you're seeing here, Left. and I'd hardly consider Brad someone who is a listener with blinders who jedi-handwaves everything away, nor j0hn or Big HOOS or rushomancy (who I miss dearly) - all people who have taken part in discussions in this thread or others.

I am aware of prior discussions. I remember the previous controversy. there is a reason I am pushing this here and not on some metal forum. I know people know this is not ok. this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal. this is why I don’t

this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal

I have never gotten the feeling from any of your posts on any subject in any thread on any ILX page that you "want to like" anything. You're a willfully ignorant shit-stirrer with a messiah complex.

And with that I'm out, because I don't even like Darkthrone.

i really get the idea that you want to like metal but it is too steeped in or tolerant of nazi ideology so like yes i agree that sucks really hard

the closest i come is mayhem who i love so much but recent discussions on what i think was the de mysteriis thread made me rethink about how much time i listen to a band with a dude like hellhammer in it iykwim. this was btw not a hostile discussion at all

yeah that was last year, it was a worthwhile discussion.

I am aware of prior discussions. I remember the previous controversy. there is a reason I am pushing this here and not on some metal forum. I know people know this is not ok. this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal. this is why I don’t

because occasionally people talk about music i like, or recommend music i might like. same reason anyone else is here i assume

*nothing* i have ever posted has been as harsh as the kind of stuff that was standard here 10-15 years ago for what it’s worth (nothing ofc)

Fiww, everything you've raised is clearly worthy of discussion but you've arrived like someone carrying the torch of enlightenment and in my experience this thread is full of thoughtful people that have clearly already spent a good deal of time debating just these issues and deserve more respect.

what would have been a better way to raise this? because other than ignoring it i can’t think of anything that wouldn’t have provoked the same kind of reaction, especially because of but also regardless of whatever reputation i have by now on here

maybe a poster people actually like saying hey people this is a bit dodgy isn’t it could have got somewhere but i didn’t see it happening

Nah, of course it's fine to ask - in lots of ways it seems so clear and obvious. Idk, don't present it as an aggressive fait accompli I guess.

this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy.

it'll never be the best Darkthrone album but the new one's pretty good. really liked the past three in point of fact, the ancient doomy vibe really works.

Feel like "The Sea Beneath The Seas..." is meant to sound like Manilla Road (excepting the vocals)

"The Sea Beneath the Seas of the Sea" reminds me of Iron Maiden's "Remember Tomorrow" a lot.

One man's Manilla Road is another man's Iron Maiden through the lowest fi recording imaginable!