Cherrelle - "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On"

one of my favorite dancing songs! it's a jam & lewis production so you can start with checking out their other production works. their œuvre is chock-a-block with greatness.

OMG I KNEW it must be jam and lewis - wait are they the duo who did control? cuz it sounds sooo much like that

"Saturday Love" by Cherelle and Alexander O'Neal was great.

Her greatest hits has other nuggets.

Surmounter, it was written and produced by Jam/Lewis. Read this for more.

"Saturday Love" is her greatest song, actually.

A mere 6.8 for "someone to call my lover"? MADNESS!

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/SearchControllerServlet

is there a story with this and prince's 1999? i always wondered.

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert Palmer *wrote* it?? I heard the Cherelle version first and assumed he'd covered it, since his version didn't come out until later.

Okay, allmusic says Palmer didn't write it.

Anyway, I remember liking the Cherelle version a lot, it was during this time when I listened to nothing but this R&B radio station all the time.

this + 1999 - in that it's the same beat, both came out 84 (which wz first?), jam&lewis kicked out the band the year before? sorry if this is some hackneyed old tale already. or if its just a coincidence.

Ahh! Here it is on YouTube! I haven't heard this song in eons!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8luxaT0JRs

Mariah Carey also covered it on the Glitter soundtrack.

I remember "Fragile" being underrated as an album, even if "High Priority" has the big hits.

Hm...well this song doesn't sound near as earth shattering now as it did then. Sounds dated, in fact. At the time it really stood out among all the other stuff on that radio station, I swear...

is this thread for real?

prince, i can't believe i haven't gone there yet. i mean there's something stopping me, but i know it's one of those stupid things where when i finally do it i'm gonna kick myself.

seek: todd terje remix/re-edit titled Dub On You

As Alfred's link indicates, I love this song.

Sorry, PappaWheelie, not everyone on this thread is an accomplished music historian on all fronts, known in some circles for his extensive music archive arranged by era and genre, all in chronological order, with recordings dating back to 1877.

haha some of us use that brain power to become accomplished ilx.xls historians?

i love this song! EPIC.

it's cherrelle with 2 Rs btw in case any searches are being stymied.

ah two r's :-) my bad

hmmm... this was considered some pretty wack shit in my NYC circles.

I mean yeah, it was on the radio every five minutes and isn't terrible exactly but it ain't Shannon neitha.

I hate the production. SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal... All that shit sounded way too slick at the time but seems to get a lotta love nowadays. Jam/Lewis = way overrated IMO. Mobbed up shit.

Bit MOR=sounding, buppie 80's shit really for the Dennis Hopson haircut crowd.

Anyone really cool was trippin heavy on "Somebody Else's Guy" right about then, which blows this shit to pieces. That doesn't completely invalidate this piece of music of course, but just sayin, if you was around then, you woulda been into something a bit cooler I am guessing. not hatin, lovin.

Hmmm anyone heard this Lalo Schifrin 12" on Tabu?!

OMG Somebody Else's Guy is on this random mix I found too - and it's great!!!

yeah, this totally sounds like shake-your-hips music for the ritzy and tipsy crowd - but it's none the worse for it. "Somebody Else's Guy" is great too, of course, but pitting mid-80s club smashes against each other feels a bit silly given how spectacular most of them were/are.

well OK what other mid-80s club smashes should i get then

Personally I feel like Jam/Lewis productions sound better today than they were back then. In the mid 80s they were a bit too "radical", whereas today, when one is used to hearing way more extreme stuff, Jam/Lewis sound OK.

I still despise "Nasty" though!

yes i know what you mean Geir, it's like now, it comes across as really tasteful, subtle, smart.

Nasty rules

I hate the production. SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal... All that shit sounded way too slick at the time but seems to get a lotta love nowadays

I don't know how SOS Band and Cherrelle can be considered slick. Explain.

Thanks for setting us straight, Saxby.

i like slick, in any event ::shrugs::

also i do think certain music sounds better at certain times. this song coulda sounded what, not that revolutionary back then, by the standards of sound of the moment. now, because music has explored different things, it's a welcome treat.

That doesn't completely invalidate this piece of music of course, but just sayin, if you was around then, you woulda been into something a bit cooler I am guessing.

oh god i am going to turn into this guy in 20 years' time

Yeah, I could do without hearing a whole lot of Janet's stuff, but I've been gobbling up all the Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle, and SOS Band stuff I didn't here nearly as much as Janet down here in rural NC. I'll always have a soft spot for "Human" as well even though it is as slick as slick could get. It just sounds gorgeously pristine. I actually found the "Criticize" 12" and the "I Didn't Mean to Turn You One" 12" both in the dollar bin at Dusty Groove during my only visit there. A fine day it was. As for more stuff to looks for Surmounter, lots of stuff recommended here:

Electro R&B/1984-1986 S/D

Hearsay is easily one of my top ten favorite albums.

Shannon and Jocelyn Brown were somewhere around the top of the charts with Cherrelle and SOS Band. All four could be heard on the same station within the same hour. I was "around" then and have a hard time buying that Jocelyn was actually the Fugazi to SOS Band's Silverchair or whatever.

Jocelyn was actually the Fugazi to SOS Band's Silverchair

Contemplating this has called me to lose what's left my nosehair, Andy. Thanks.

awesome thx matt

heard on the same station within the same hour. I was "around" then

Hey there are many different types of "being around". I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

lol indie.

Celluloid wasn't major

huh?

nice words, now, boys

I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

Please excuse my lack of decorum.

"Human" was obviously a great song, but I still cannot get myself to really enjoy that because I found what Human League had usually been doing so much better. Plus the rest of the "Crash" album was mostly rubbish.

While it's no lost classic, Crash showed that the League really had nothing more to say. Most of the songs are pretty good to great, and would have better served Janet or the SOS Band. "Jam," "Human" and what I think is the loveliest thing Jam/Lewis ever did the 12" mix of "Love is All That Matters" are the only things on which Phil Oakey doesn't disgrace himself.

*ignore the fact that I just wrote a crazy run-on sentence.

anyone really cool was trippin heavy on "Somebody Else's Guy" right about then

Well, I loved both back then (not that I was really cool), but SEG sounds like something with it roots in the past. While Jam & Lewis's productions sounded like the future, tough, cool and spacious. No surprise really that they'd want to work with The Human League later.

you know surmounter, I had a whole list of nice records all prepared to send to you and then I saw all this negativity and just threw it in the trash.

This place really sucks sometimes.

I don't even know what these people mean anyway is the other puzzling aspect of it. I do know that I was trying to deal with your inquiry in a critical, yet ultimately helpful manner. That was my intent.

I mean I am so sick of four word comments that are negative and derisive yet ultimately mean absolutely nothing and also add nothing to the dialogue here. What the fuck does "indie lol" even mean? I can tell it's meant to make me look and/or feel stupid but it doesn't because it doesn't even make any sense or mean anything.

Plus, I have said this before, why the fuck are people clockin me like this? I am just someone that occasionally writes about some shit that I KNOW ABOUT. I recognize a few names here, like Pappa Wheelie (who I have a lot of respect for but whose comment I didn't understand) and I recognize a few names here and there but I am not interested in stuff like "what's up with Geir" or some bullshit like that. The phrase "typical Geir" means nothing to me because i can't be bothered to track the shit that he says. (plus I have actually read some of what he writes and I don't see anything especially daunting or outrageous about it).

I honestly don't know where you people get the free time to track who has said what. I am on a LOT of forums about music on the internet. Occasionally, they get into a lot of this sort of shit, but I am interested in learning and talking about music, not in going back to high school.

I definitely have no problem telling someone to fuck off when necessary but basically I am a very nice, well-meaning helpful person.

anyone really cool was trippin heavy on "Somebody Else's Guy" right about then

Well, I loved both back then (not that I was really cool), but SEG sounds like something with it roots in the past. While Jam & Lewis's productions sounded like the future, tough, cool and spacious. No surprise really that they'd want to work with The Human League later.

Think AMOUNTS OF SOUL...

Sorry, but just because JB's an Aretha style belter doesn't mean that she has more soul than Cherelle.

I was talking about Jam & Lewis

I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

I mean I am so sick of four word comments that are negative and derisive yet ultimately mean absolutely nothing and also add nothing to the dialogue here.

Ok, so you have just said what?

saxby, believe me, i know how you feel. just talk to the people that interest you, and about what interests you. the rest of it feeds of big reactions anyway, you know?

and please, please, send me that list :-)

Saxby, i don't think anyone on this thread has disparaged you or your comments. all the meta-remarks about Geir (who - so goes the caricature - hates modern "black music") or indie (which is frowned upon for oedipal reasons) are par for the course on most ILM threads.

well there, andy's saying that you say you have beef with 4 worders, but that you just used one (c u next tuesday)

but please let's back to the music?

The phrase "typical Geir" means nothing to me because i can't be bothered to track the shit that he says. (plus I have actually read some of what he writes and I don't see anything especially daunting or outrageous about it).

um

Uh

There's four!

We could call this "wack shit."

who dreamt up the terrible idea of featuring King Kong in the video i wonder.

well there, andy's saying that you say you have beef with 4 worders, but that you just used one

Surmounter, Andy K. is so remarkably witty and clever that I am sure he can come up with his own explanation.

What I said, while perhaps vulgar, at least made sense and was not part of a nonsensical 4-word answer. (This is what tranpired: heard on the same station within the same hour. I was "around" then

Hey there are many different types of "being around". I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.)

See, it isn't necessarily pretty but it makes sense. it was a point I was trying to make. It is not a 4-worder. I am trying my hardest not to name drop the people that I knew at that time (and look like a cunt in the process) but I was trying to explain how they/we felt about those Tabu jam/lewis records.

Thanks for the explanation about the Geir lore, but the truth is I don't really care. And I was talking about INDIE in the BUSINESS SENSE OF THE WORD. Independent labels and distribution, not in the sense which rightfully might be disparaged.

I am trying my hardest not to name drop the people that I knew at that time (and look like a cunt in the process)

It's quite likely that they liked Jam/Lewis too.

no, the exact point I am making is that they did not. pay attention and put some effort into your posts.

why?

hatas win! yay!

i think he's only curious to know why people who liked Jocelyn Brown didn't like this stuff. me too.

It was wack shit and did not fit into the indie aesthetic. Pay attention.

well, to be honest (despite all the idiocy), upon thinking about it, I think it might well have been a bit of a local/regional bias. Jocelyn's history (i.e. in Inner Life) with local people like Leroy Burgess and Larry Levan had me and my friends here really excited about this record before it even dropped.

While I personally can see vast differences between its sound and that of most of the Tabu stuff (and see the thing is I still really like the Cherrelle single as well, it's catchy but in a "radio" kind of way), the real fact is that the stuff did not go over at the Paradise Garage. It didn't have the right bass sound for one thing and if you can't hear the oodles of compression on most of those Tabu records then you just don't know what it is.

"Somebody Else's Guy" is a club record that made it onto the radio. Cherelle was made for radio but was worked to the clubs. Big difference.

Can people grasp that?

http://static.flickr.com/77/227686015_506cd3d913_o.jpg

see, that is the exact kind of shit I hate about this place. Amidst completely asinine levels of idiocy, upon the urging of others, I nonetheless try to summon up some sort of explanation that I felt made sense and someone drops some gif in like it's a clever thing to do.

hatas win...

well, to be honest (despite all the idiocy), upon thinking about it, I think it might well have been a bit of a local/regional bias. Jocelyn's history (i.e. in Inner Life) with local people like Leroy Burgess and Larry Levan had me and my friends here really excited about this record before it even dropped.

personal anecdote of the time. no judgement inferred. i can get down with this.

While I personally can see vast differences between its sound and that of most of the Tabu stuff (and see the thing is I still really like the Cherrelle single as well, it's catchy but in a "radio" kind of way)

plaese to define 'catchy but in a 'radio' kind of way'

the real fact is that the stuff did not go over at the Paradise Garage. It didn't have the right bass sound for one thing and if you can't hear the oodles of compression on most of those Tabu records then you just don't know what it is.

and this matters ... why?

"Somebody Else's Guy" is a club record that made it onto the radio. Cherelle was made for radio but was worked to the clubs. Big difference.

false dichotomy, inferred value judgement

Can people grasp that?

but what does it all mean?

It don't have to be so serious y'know?

It all means that we are all going to die someday and this is possibly the most minute topic I can even imagine in the first place.

I am not going to parse through all of your parsing except to say that what I said is not a false dichotomy, nor is there any "inferred value judgment" (in fact what you really mean IMPLIED, not "inferred" I believe). If you indeed inferred a value judgment, that is your prerogative but it is not an objective standard upon which statements can be properly assailed.

I was trying to explain to the few people in here who have a sincere and genuine interest in the topic, not to the people who have hating gifs ready to drop and pseudo-intelligent bs parsing to follow.

I am out of here... hatas win. Maybe some sincere people got something out of this, I don't know but I am not going to spend any more of my time on this issue of the Cherrelle record.

but the snarky remarks, the puerile images, and so on, are part of the interior here. if you view every such posting as a personal attack--rather than seeing it for what it is: someone posting something silly for no particular reason--you are going to get very frustrated. the haters cannot "win", for the simple reason that there is no-one in here who is one. when dealing with on-line communities it's also important to remember that posters often are in very different moods--someone just woke up, someone just got laid, someone just broke up with his girlfriend, etc.--this invariably leads to conflicts now and then.

point taken

no i meant inferred, as in i inferred a value judgement from it. otherwise i'm not sure i understand what your point is

your 'points' don't lead anywhere, they are empty and conclusion-less

"Somebody Else's Guy" is a club record that made it onto the radio. Cherelle was made for radio but was worked to the clubs. Big difference.

what does this mean? how does this make me understand the music any better? what about these songs leads you to define them this way?

you're guilty of lazy thinking

maybe you're inviting the silliness by being a complete dick, Saxby

I mean it's not like we need an American Marcello

I mean it's not like we need an American Marcello

See that's the exact type of thing I don't understand and dont want to understand.

Ok, one last go...

People don't pay $15 to go to the Garage to hear the same shit they can hear for free on WBLS (or basically what was playing on the radio when they left the house). I have not been speaking broadly about this stuff, just about how me and my friends reacted to it. Personally I went to Danceteria nearly every night (because I got in free and lived nearby) except usually Thursdays was Limelight (once it opened, and also was cool on Sundays), Fridays was Area or the Roxy and Saturdays was usually some combination of the Garage or the Saint. I had a lot of different friends. Mainly, my friends that I am speaking about here were people who were in the inner circle of the Garage, who blatantly did not like any of these jam/lewis artists.

I made an earnest attempt to figure out why but that's all I know really.

Anyone who thinks that the Cherrelle record was a huge NY club record is wrong. I would be lying if I said I can remember exactly, but it was probably spinning for a while in the clubs until it got saturated on the radio, at which point it was mainly a "radio record". These are esoteric insider industry terms that WE USED, I am sorry if you cannot relate to them and feel they are meaningless but I can assure you that there are some very heavy people in this crowd that used expressions exactly like that (and NO, I DON'T COUNT MYSELF AMONG THE "HEAVY"). I did KNOW them.

"Somebody Else's Guy" was a record that played at the Garage probably until the day it closed and were there not so damn many huge Garage records (and this a relatively late one), I'd be tempted to argue that it was one of the biggest records in the history of the place. Cherrelle, no.

It's a cute and catchy 12". I own it and like it.

"Lazy thinking" is when you drop a gif in, not when you make an earnest attempt to explain your views.

this is fine, it's good to engage and differing perspectives are awesome to hear. but coming in gung-ho with "this record sucks and I KNOW BETTER" and expecting real dialogue to result is kind of misguided. as is the idea that someone would read the line "I don't want to understand" and think, well, this person is clearly interested in any opinion other than their own"

I mean, I've done as much after-the-fact wishing I was there about the Garage as anything. that kind of stuff is totally interesting to me! Jam-Lewis for me is very bedrock; I'm from Minneapolis and had a club-DJ uncle who played that stuff. the fact that it didn't pass muster in other areas isn't terribly surprising, nor is the fact that it took hip-hop ages to catch up in my burg to where it was elsewhere. fierce regionalism, basically. because I like a lot of music the wheres and whys of that regionalism never stops being fascinating.

I mean it's not like we need an American Marcello

Hahaha! Matos for the win! Amen to that.

Saxby, let's look at that comment you made to Andy K. again one more time:

Hey there are many different types of "being around". I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

You are correct that this is not a four word comment, it is essentially a four letter one. You called him a cunt. This is an offensive comment, and is where all the trouble started. Right off the bat, you took it beyond musical discourse into the realm of personal insults. Everything that followed was a direct result of this surprising move on your part. Nothing had to get nasty. We could have just had a mutually respectful disagreement about music on this thread. Instead, you took it somewhere no one else wanted it to go, nor saw any need for it to go there. Then you were surprised when people didn't respond positively. Why would people respond positively to such a negative statement?

Also I wonder if Jocelyn Brown didn't have some other hit besides Somebody Else's Guy because I do remember she was a big name back then, but when I play that song now it doesn't ring any bells at all.

I'm going to try Alexander O'Neal again, too. He looks familiar in pictures, but I can't remember any of the music right now.

The only other thing I can remember besides the Cherrelle track (thanks to Lex for correcting the double 'r') from that time period that was really great on that station was Mtume's "Juicy Fruit", but that's yet another case where I play it again now and it just doesn't sound as amazing as it did then. I kinda feel the same way about S.O.S. Band, frankly, but I think I first heard them a year or two prior to this time period. The crazy synthesizer sound on their "Just Be Good To Me" sounded sooo new at the time, really like nothing I'd ever heard. That is a great song.

Here it is on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cajy5WSDd0

Mtume's "Juicy Fruit":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSuWScTLuaA

Another one I remember that was huge around this time was Midnight Starr's "Freak-A-Zoid". I can't find an original video of that on You Tube at all, and I'm dying to hear that again.

Those Stylus rankings are insanely wack. "The Pressure" kicks all sorts of ass. That anything in that list scores worse than "Scream" is a crime. That among the songs that do is "Rhythm Nation" justifies a major ass kicking.

Though "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On" does merit the best score.

Mtume's "Juicy Fruit"

I saw a(n) Mtume show, opening at the pier for I believe Chaka and them throwing out packs a gum. Good times... But still, we all knew it was MOR back then. All the other stuff you have mentioned was considered same.

Bimble, you come in a little late. Yeah I called that dude a cunt, but I call anyone a cunt, it ain't nothin to me. Just a word, ya know? I copped to its vulgarity and am willing to admit it ain't no fuckin fruit basket.

(No "juicy" wordplay intended).

My main point throughout-- and I'm even willing to admit that I have had a bad day (c.f. Jeb's remarks) and have been a bit of a cunt myself-- is that you people are mistaking MOR buppie sludge for nice club trax. Midnight Starr BLOW, I don't know how else to tell you that, Bimble. Also, you DIDN'T hear about Jocelyn Brown anywhere but off that track, I can assure you. As I mentioned, she was in Inner Life, but you can google that shit and piece together how you reckon you heard of her.

I can't help that I was there back in the day (and in "the place to be" no less), but I am asking that you believe me when I tell you what time it is. (or was). (Back then, I ain't shit now believe me).

As always, I am only about IN-THREAD scraps and beefs. I ain't clockin who you are and I forget your handle just as soon as you hit the button, so don't even fuck with me cuzzin. People remember me bc I'm "Saxby"-- that shit is so easy to remember, I wish I owned a fuckin clothing line to go with it. But I keeps my shit in-thread... Anyone with any other questions about some back in the day shit hit me up. Otherwise I will see you all in the next fuckin Hüsker thread (which I also know like the back of your mom's ass). (hey Matos, most of my friends from the TC are a little nicer off the Hefty than you. Most people from there are really nice actually, I've noticed. Let's you and me try to get real next time...)

If you got static, spit it now.

Man, I ain't clockin people from one thread to the next. I remember the name Bimble, but I couldn't tell you what he is about or anything he ever said or stood for. (just that he is late to this thread and doesn't know anything about this particular kind of music).

My bad for callin that dude a cunt. It wasn't meant to be central to my remarks and I regret it for that reason only. (I mean he WAS kinda like bein one but I should have been more respectful and not mentioned it). Peace to all.

Cherrelle for fuckin ever, right?

I love love love both the Chrerelle and Jocelyn Brown songs. I'm bipolar like that.

Anyway, my impression was that there wasn't a whole lot that didn't work at the Garage, but I suppose it's possible that the whole utopian-inclusiveness meme has become blown out of proportion.

eric, those were some of the fussiest people in the world.

Well then hooray for AIDS.

Seriously, though, they also hated "Heartbeat" at first, so it's hardly like their taste was infallable.

where did you read something like that?

Well then hooray for AIDS.

I hope some of your friends die from it like mine did. If you were here, I'd cuff you hard.

Saxby you've said twice now I'm "late to the thread". Are you such an egomaniac that you've forgotten what an impossibility it is that everyone who posts to this board is on here at the same time, 24/Seven? Some people work, some sleep, some have significant others, or children, even. Some people are even in different countries than you, with different time zones. A good number of people who regularly post to this board are asleep right now. The irony of all this is I was even one of the first people to post to this thread when it first got going. Please wake up and smell the coffee. You are not god's gift to this board. You parade yourself around here like your opinions are well-established facts. Your arrogance is disgusting and just plain stupid. No one here is fooled.

Oh, you'll have to forgive me for forgetting that people really died of AIDS. More to the point, that some people who were very conspicuously Around At The Time didn't. I mean, Jesus, even a dumb joke is still a joke. I'm not going to admit what I just said there was the best way to couch it, but the basic point I was trying to make was that this thread (a simple, naive little thread about a not particularly serious piece of pop music) was getting senselessly ugly because of your "I was there" chauvinism.

I mean, I was not around (or culturally conscious) at the time, but I'm sure there were plenty of people who actually lived in Minneapolis at the time who didn't think much at all of the scene. Makes no difference at all.

Makes No Sense At All

Fuck off Bimble, just bc you don't know the music don't lash out at me for being there.

You parade yourself around here like your opinions are well-established facts. Your arrogance is disgusting and just plain stupid. No one here is fooled.

There ya go, pathetic people I don't even know clockin my every move on the board. Like there are no other arrogant people on here?!

I don't talk in here unless my shit is close to FACT or at least I know what I am talking about. If you perceive that as arrogance, I don't mind that. It's because I don't ask a lot of questions in here like "what's a good Neil Young album" or something that you think that.

I only speak up in here when I KNOW MY SHIT. Anything else would be crazy bc a tha hatas.

Look, I wish I was back in the day with my Dad, checking out Bird and Miles with a dozen people in the audience and to tell you the truth, he CAN get a bit arrogant about it. But he was THERE, so I respect the shit he tells me and listen up. I am much more interested in that than this subject, just for the record. So I grew up like he did, in the place to be. He taught me that. You want to run me off the board or listen up?

(I ain't leavin like some pussy, just askin the question).

Frankly no, I don't want to hear the reasons why we should hate "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On."

what did I say? "It's a cute and catchy 12". I own it and like it."

I do encourage you to hate Alexander O'Neal though.

so, just to clarify, it's MY FAULT that you will be forever searchable on the internet saying "hooray for AIDS"?

Saxby, what if there were people who "were there" who knew people even more important (in your mind) than the people you knew. Let's just suppose, just for the sake of argument, that you're *NOT* THE most hipster, in-the-know person on the planet? What if your opinions aren't in fact the gospel authority that we should all cower around in awe? Then what? Then you might have to treat other people with respect! Oh my god! Perish the thought!

Treating people with respect! What a concept!!!

yeah but I was so fuck off

Whatever, man. I'm done here.

first of all, the "Well then hooray for AIDS" remark may well be the most offensive thing i've ever seen here, botched joke or not. i mean, Jesus... amid the bile, i can actually see an interesting discussion here, namely how the perception of a record at its release gets distorted when people from subsequent eras, with a different set of cultural prepossessions, imagine it. (i.e. i thought that the people at the time must have been thinking this song to be the epitome of cool, but it turns out not everyone did. similarly, i remember someone mentioning how ultra-futuristic S'Express sounded at the time, while people who listen to them today would probably not reach that conclusion if they were to speculate.) another thing which tends to get lost in time, but should be of interest, is which records where made hits by being spun in clubs, and which made it big through radio play. i would guess that Taana Gardner's "Heartbeat" is an example of the former, for example, while David Bowie's "Let's Dance" probably is not, but it's hard to tell for sure.

Saxby, you say in this thread that you are helpful. The initial post in this thread asks "Who is Cherelle and is she worth looking into? What else should I dig up if I'm head over heels for this?" You enter with a post saying she sucks, and the reasoning includes the very tired matter of coolness, and that we would know better if we had been around (and by "around" you apparently meant "in the know").

Compound that with the contradictions. You end with "not hatin, lovin" after "I hate the production," "way overrated," "mobbed up shit," "buppie 80's shit," "blows this shit to pieces."

That provokes me to say "Thanks for setting us straight," and then I add a mild disagreement (over four words in length) about the popularity and perception of the groups/singers in relation to one another, which provokes you to call me a cunt. It is funny, and it is even funnier that, shortly after that post, you express your dissatisfaction with the board's negativity.

hmmm... this was considered some pretty wack shit in my NYC circles.

I mean yeah, it was on the radio every five minutes and isn't terrible exactly but it ain't Shannon neitha.

I hate the production. SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal... All that shit sounded way too slick at the time but seems to get a lotta love nowadays. Jam/Lewis = way overrated IMO. Mobbed up shit.

Bit MOR=sounding, buppie 80's shit really for the Dennis Hopson haircut crowd.

Anyone really cool was trippin heavy on "Somebody Else's Guy" right about then, which blows this shit to pieces. That doesn't completely invalidate this piece of music of course, but just sayin, if you was around then, you woulda been into something a bit cooler I am guessing. not hatin, lovin.

-- Saxby D. Elder, Friday, June 1, 2007 3:30 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

It's a cute and catchy 12". I own it and like it.

-- Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, June 2, 2007 1:16 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Are you talking about the same record in these two posts?

breakdown at end of this song is so wonderful, thick with voice and synths = heaven

so, just to clarify, it's MY FAULT that you will be forever searchable on the internet saying "hooray for AIDS"?

It's so obviously not the first time I've written it.

eric, shut up.

Agreed.

(hey Matos, most of my friends from the TC are a little nicer off the Hefty than you. Most people from there are really nice actually, I've noticed. Let's you and me try to get real next time...)

haha have you ever heard the term "Minnesota Nice"?

breakdown at end of this song is so wonderful, thick with voice and synths = heaven

-- Surmounter, Saturday, 2 June 2007 15:53 (4 hours ago)

Great attempt to make this thread about what the link you click on says! Right now I'm listening to the Last Days of Disco OST. This shit rocks my world.

Also, thanks for bringing this song to my attention, I don't know anything about any of the people mentioned but I'm going to have fun learning more I think. Great thread before it all went ugly.

I know I'm so excited to look into all this stuff :-)

haha have you ever heard the term "Minnesota Nice"?

No, but I have experienced the phenomenon! :-)

Hey look, I have re-read this entire thread and indeed it did all go bad when i called that dude a cunt for no real reason. I am sorry about that.

Anyone who clocks all the shit I write knows that most of my friends nowadays are English and they all use that word MUCH MORE CASUALLY than people in the U.S. do. It can actually even be a POSITIVE THING as in "that cunt is quite the footballer".

Anyway, I have grown a bit too familiar with that than is appropriate in polite company and I am herewith apologizing for essentially starting the ugliness in this thread. I am equivocating slightly with the aforementioned explanation but it was indeed an unnecessary barb, whether vulgar, obscene or merely rude. Obviously, the irony of me complaining about the negativity in here need not be commented on yet again.

As to the rest of it, most of the stuff that has been parsed out of context of what I have said has to do not so much with the Cherrelle 12" which I admitted to liking just fine, and more to do with stuff that had already been lumped in with it by the time I entered the thread. I stand by all of my statements about "radio records" "slick" "too much compression" "MOR Buppie shit" "Dennis Hopson haircut crowd" etc. but that is all critical and opinionated commentary, not just hatin.

Also, I was not out to aggrandize myself by touting my association with the inner sanctum of the Garage intelligentsia (for lack of a better term for people who are dance music experts) but merely to relay the blatantly negative perception that they had of that entire ilk of music (of which that 12" actually is about the high water mark).

Now some people seemed to find that of interest, others seemed to think I was just trying to seem like some hipster. The real truth is I was a hipster, I am not going to lie about that. Everyone in downtown Manhattan was a hipster back then, it wasn't anything terribly unusual, just like being a hipster in Williamsburg is now. The difference is I do in fact have some special insight owing to some quite legitimate music industry insiderdom of the era. That is why I quite casually yet with authority toss about terms like "radio record" or whatever, it's because that was in fact OUR vernacular, whether YOU understand it or not. We were amongst those running the game, industry-wise.

I would like to apologize to Bimble, for not remembering that he indeed did not come in late to the thread, although I do stand by my feeling that he doesn't really get this type of music. See I am really, swear to God, not reading the names of who writes what, because as I have mentioned a million times now, I just ain't about all that. So, sorry Bimble, I am sure I read what you wrote but just didn't notice that it was you who wrote it.

I also want to thank the couple of people who seemed less concerned about my attitude or manners and more about what I was actually trying to talk about and who were nice or supportive to me in any way at all within.

Finally, I wonder why no one has asked why I referred to it as "mobbed-up shit". No one asked what it meant or seemed especially bothered about it.

Feel free to ask and maybe someday I will tell you some cool mob stories.

Peace for now...

I would also like to apologize for being the biggest dipshit on this thread and not only making an unforgivable joke but, even worse, falling back on veiled sarcasm thereafter. I very much apologize.

I admit I don't really know what "mobbed-up shit" means. I presumed it maybe meant the song was too hyper or something.

This thread went some odd places.

lol who knew cherrelle could take u there

Jam/Lewis concealed interesting subtexts.

everytime i click on this thread i forget that it's THIS thread, and then I scroll down and my heart sinks and i remember.

the same goes for the Icky Thump thread.

so don't click on it. We are getting along splendidly here without you.

I heard "Nasty" playing loudly out of a car on the highway and oh my god how I craved to hear that shit.

"mobbed up shit" LOL

Janet was funkin' NASTY man, I don't care what anyone says I was fuckin' crazy about that shit when it came out.

how can anyone (esp jam & lewis fans) hate nasty? thats not just one of the best R&B singles of the past 20 years but one of janets all time best. good video too. anyone who doesnt like it gets the bozack. thts my word.

i laughed at eric's aids joke, then felt guilty when people took offence :(

saxby's gotta be like *really old*.

REALLY OLD!!

Saxby relaxing:

http://www.vintagephotos.com/Image_262_Old_man__PipeB.jpg

Hey Ned, next time please let me know before you e-mail my mom asking for pics!

Sure thing, son. Oh wait.

I think this would be a good time for those Mob stories.

Please :-)

"maybe someday"... ;-)

Jody Watley - "Still A Thrill"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nArOa8OViw

Jeez, bimble wtf... You still hawking crap?

You ain't got the ear for this stuff, you were pwned by the mob ;-)

Basically the mastering engineer, if not the actual producer, is given a brief as to whether something is meant for the radio or clubs. This is as true today as it was in the days of Cherrelle.

Some 12"s received special "club" mastering briefs, with the real record (or 7" single, which believe it or not was still what the Billboard charts were based on then, despite that it was a dead medium) containing a much more compressed "radio" version.

I have to say that anyone dealing with mp3s or even dodgy CD best of comps are not really "eligible" per se for a legitimate comment about this subject. If you own BOTH an Alexander O'Neal 12" AND 7" as I do, then you know what I am talking about when I say a "radio record".

Jeb, I liked what you had to say about this business of which way a record breaks. it IS interesting. Just for the record, I heard David Bowie's "Let's Dance" the instant it was available on the RADIO. "Heartbeat" was a club record, you nailed that too (although I don't understand why someone else said people at the Garage were slow to pick up it, nothing could be further from the truth). And they were not there to respond to my inquiry about where they think they might have learned that. You think a West End record didn't get a fair shake at the Garage??!

One day I really will tell you how the mob were involved although there are actually books about it already. ("Stiffed" is one such) I am tired, my chiffon is wet......

Okay now I have Disco Tex in my head. (No bad thing.)

Shove it up your arse, Saxby. I think we've all established that you are not the authority of musical opinion on this stuff. I mean just because you knew some people in New York back in the day or whatever, that is just fucking ridiculous if you think that makes your opinion superior to every one else's on this board. Frankly I couldn't give a flying shit who you knew back then or why. And one thing that particularly bothers me: there was nothing new or innovative about Joceyln Brown's single, unlike Cherrelle's. If you can't recognize something that was new and untried and innovative from the chaff of what had gone before, then you just don't get it, man. Fuck off.

Show your mettle and recommend me something Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and then I might take your arse seriously. Just sayin'.

I think the story goes that Larry Levan played the instrumental of "Heartbeat" well before the track came out, and it cleared the floor because it was too slow. But then people got into it because Larry kept playing it, and when the vocal version finally dropped, it was met with instant club success.

What artist are you talking about?

In reference to the Taana Gardner record.

btw, I believe the story originates from disco-disco.com, where Kenton Nix (who wrote and co-produced "Heartbeat") was sharing memories of Larry Levan. The link is here: http://www.disco-disco.com/tributes/larry.shtml

I think the story goes that Larry Levan played the instrumental of "Heartbeat" well before the track came out, and it cleared the floor because it was too slow. But then people got into it because Larry kept playing it, and when the vocal version finally dropped, it was met with instant club success.

k, interesting... hadn't heard that one (despite my absurd levels of insiderdom) but I buy it... (obviously the hook is in the vocal!) nice link, safe for that. (I have actually read that entire website but missed or forgot that bit.)

Bimble, you're on ignore 'til you can come up with at least one good post or one good record. And I don't need my arse taken seriously, it is really rather humorous actually, with loads of whimsy and a delicious irony. (or so I am told by admirers of my arse).

Saxby, I repeat: if you can't recommend even one record produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, your credibility is really shot, man. I urge you give it some serious thought. Your reputation is on the line. Don't be as pathetic as I think you are, please. Redeem yourself.

Why would I recommend something by Jam and Lewis when I have spent the entire thread saying how little I liked them? I DON'T LIKE THE SAME KIND OF MUSIC AS YOU, DUDE. It's got nothing to do with anything except your taste isn't really that great.

I liked the first TIME album, how is that? That is as close as I get. (and yes I know who produced it.) I like "Be Your Man" by Jesse Johnson, but I gather they had nothing to do with that. I was very excited about Guy until I bought the album and realized I hated it.

wow, is this like a Beat Street battle scene?

I will break dance your ass and if I win I get your purple Adidas.

I am off to bed now bimbs... I will read up about my arse in the morning.

No Jam & Lewis, no credibility.

Actually I wish I had some purple Adidas, they make some seriously good shoes, for real.

Here's another gem I'd forgotten until now: Evelyn Champagne King, yo. "Love Come Down":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joLGLibJB5Y

And while we're at it, how about Soul II Soul?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joLGLibJB5Y

Okay well go to bed, then, but if you think you're off the hook, you've got a lot to learn. You better recommend me some decent late 80's R&B. I'm waiting...and waiting...come on Saxby.

Cheryl Lynn "Got To Be Real"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoXvDleWJ5U

Come on folks, I challenge you to present me with something, anything as good as this shit. Go ahead.

No Jam & Lewis, no credibility.

Dude, I don't LIKE THEM! It isn't a matter of credibility (of all things) or even of insider hipsterism of even a theoretically completely postured and phony variety. I just hate them, I don't know what else to say. I have tried to articulate why. And that is not a valid argument anyway (i.e. of "logic"). I don't like their production and subsequent mastering (or what I perceive to be certain other things that I won't even bring up because they are secondary and will only prolong this nonsense). I don't even like the music they were involved in for the most part and feel that not even George Martin could have saved that crap. (or insert whomever, I am not looking for a George Martin beef with anyone, just pulled his name out of thin air).

That is like saying if you don't like The Who, then you have no rock cred. Maybe you just don't fucking like them!!

You would probably really like their Face Dances album come to think of it. Or search youtube for "Come Dancing" by the Kinks...

For christ's sake, leave me alone. I already apologized to you for not realizing that you had a bunch of equally crappy posts in the beginning of the thread and I would have actually thought that we are well on our way towards wrapping this one up too at this point.

Why would I take time out to recommend you anything? I am beginning to to find you unbelievably tiresome and annoying. Plus I never said LATE 80's, I don't know where you are getting that part either. The song this thread is based around is not a late 80's joint dude.

Cheryl Lynn "Got To Be Real" yes, this is a good song (finally!). You don't really have much concept of time do you? anyway, I really am totally over you. I will remember you for the future, you are like a tourist who won't leave people alone. I will battle you some other time (as if).

http://i9.tinypic.com/4kcgdnr.jpg

ooh my first pointless puerile pic drop!

I think I can see the appeal now...

Jesus H. you have NO business telling me what Who I would like and what I wouldn't. I am a huge Who fan and I hate the Face Dances album for the most part. Let's not even GO there, if you know what's good for you. What a red herring on a thread about Cherrelle!

What a chicken. Can't even recommend me good music. You are worthless.

It's me that's going to bed now.

No, what I said is I DON'T WANT TO recommend you any music.

I feel it will be a bit like feeding a stray cat (and I am tired and even if I liked you, I couldn't be bothered at this hour).

Plus you are so thick that you can't even see when someone is just taking the piss.

No "Face Dances" love, no credibility.

Ha! I bet it's probably the only Who album you even own. You don't know anything.

Why don't you want to recommend me music? Because you fear I wouldn't like it? You're really ruining this match by failing to take up my challenge, man.

I'm honored to be called a stray cat, though.

Match, battle, challenge?

I think you are insane.

Yes, that is the only Who album I own. You're not saying you don't like it, are you?

You're really ruining this match by failing to take up my challenge, man.

this quote nicely sums up the worst aspects of ILM right there. real-life cockfights are a bore; on-line ones are so EXTRAORDINARILY tedious and soul-draining that words don't even begin to describe them. lay it off already.

Ha! I knew it was the only Who album of theirs you had. Saxby, get the Who's "Sell Out" and THEN talk about The Who. Not before. Don't needlessly embarrass yourself.

Jeb, I beg to disagree. If no one ever had online fights on ILM, shit would get mighty boring.

My last statement of the night before I fall asleep is that I'm sorry I didn't quit when Saxby said he didn't care for Jam & Lewis. That was the red flag right there. What the fuck is he doing on this thread, then?

And Jeb, you might want to think of another name to go by than the same first name as Dubya's brother. No point in needlessly associating yourself with the family of Satan.

Hey clownboy, I was just kidding about Face Dances or owning that piece of shit. Bimble, how would you compare and contrast those two Who albums?

Please cop to being really fucking thick or English being your second (or maybe like, eighth) language.

Clownboy is ok, right? It's not very nasty, I think rather tolerant under these trying circumstances. Plus it just came into my head.

Anyone who clocks all the shit I write knows that most of my friends nowadays are English and they all use that word MUCH MORE CASUALLY than people in the U.S. do. It can actually even be a POSITIVE THING as in "that cunt is quite the footballer".

Anyway, I have grown a bit too familiar with that than is appropriate in polite company and I am herewith apologizing for essentially starting the ugliness in this thread.

The implication here is that English people aren't polite company. When the fact is: we invented that shit, motherfucker. Clearly the English people you are hanging out with are lower class oiks. No cunt I know uses the word cunt. I also like the fact that instead of apologising for being a cunt on this thread you apologised for using the word cunt. This kind of style might come from hanging around with English people!

http://rolocroz.com/junk/psyduck.gif

@ this entire thread

good song (i like Palmer's version too). funny thread.

Clearly the English people you are hanging out with are lower class oiks.

Yes, and is there a problem there for you? Clearly you have a substantial amount of reprehensible class bigotry within you.

The implication here is that English people aren't polite company.

Actually, yes, if you were to read it in a manner in which it wasn't at all intended, technically you are correct.

I also like the fact that instead of apologising for being a cunt on this thread you apologised for using the word cunt.

Actually it was a pretty broad apology and I thought it basically covered that (including when I said a bit earlier that I had been a bit of a cunt myself). The apology was more about actually realizing that I had been the one to start the ugliness in this thread by off-handedly calling someone a name (and that it was basically not meant to sound nearly as severe as it did to the people who don't spend as much time slumming with the less-than-desirable classes of people from England as I do). I really meant something more along the lines of "ya git" (UK) or "ya dink" (US), but just used the word cunt instead. That was the nature of the apology. I would have no problem calling you a cunt, because you have just shown yourself to be one, whatever it actually even really precisely means.

You know, you don't really know my situation or which type(s) (if you insist on that sort of division) of English people I am friends with. I am friends with people of all different social classes. The posh ones don't really say cunt all the time, but are actually far ruder overall in many ways than the supposed "oiks" I know, owing to their vast wealth, privilege and sense of entitlement. Yeah, fine the English invented "polite company", but in so doing, they also invented about a million ways to violate its tenets and exclude people, which was its main purpose. You are essentially bragging about the invention of an oppressive class system. Personally, I think that you might want to think about apologizing to me for calling my dear friends a bunch of oiks, without actually knowing them or knowing that they are actually a lot cooler, more loyal and less phony and mindlessly trendy and bratty than the posh people I know. They are proud of their Cockney heritage, by the way, not ashamed of it. (And the Yorkies I know are equally proud of theirs and they say cunt all the time!) Frankly, I am more offended by your blatant class bigotry than I think anyone had a right to be about anyone calling someone a cunt (or acting like one, which you now have done). This is right up there with the AIDS joke on my radar.

Holding your pinky out at the appropriate time does not make you a good person. You sound as proud of having invented this ridiculous standard of manners-- which has been the subject of ridicule by many a fine writer (Shakespeare, Waugh, Mitfords etc on through to the present)-- as I might sound as an American for having invented Electricity, Blues, Jazz, Rock and Roll and Soul music. (I don't wrap myself in the flag however and would be amongst the first people to point out all the American foibles like genocide of the Native Americans, slavery, institutionalized racism, gender bigotry etc etc etc, so don't even bother trying to counter with some sort of "battle". I am as ashamed of our current foreign policy as the rest of the 75% of the country who is).

I suppose you are equally proud of perfecting (if not actually inventing) imperialism and global oppression. What are you, upper class twit of the year?

Was Chaucer English? He used the word cunt a faire bit...

..............

Uhm, Saxby, dude's called himself "little lord fauntleroy". Don't you think he just might possibly be a troll asking for exactly the sort of reaction you just gave him?

thread is so next level

bimble vs. saxby = the perfect storm?

it's good tho, amidst all the bizarreness, i actually have gotten a bunch of recommendations out of this, and i'm gonna be placing a huuuge amazon order 2day. word

Uhm, Saxby, dude's called himself "little lord fauntleroy". Don't you think he just might possibly be a troll asking for exactly the sort of reaction you just gave him?

hmmm, yeah maybe. I can be a bit of a babe in the woods about that sort of thing. I always just assume people are straight up but obviously that is really naive. Plus I really don't look at the people's names... maybe better start I guess. I just really don't ever want to become one of these people that knows the difference between Marcello and Geir. I just want to chat about music and learn stuff. If someone is DIRECTLY NICE to me, I will remember that. (and remember the people I hate too, I guess)

I didn't mind pounding him anyway. Some of these same issues came up in the LDN is a victim thread too. I feel pretty strongly about that stuff.

bimble vs. saxby = the perfect storm?

heh, I am SO never dealing with Bimble again, unless maybe someone offers us a lucrative reality TV show contract.

okay what SOS album should i get, quick i'm adding to my cart

Their greatest is pretty solid; any collection with "Just Be Good To Me" will do.

k... i hate greatests tho ; (

yo dude -- ha ha ha

Saxby, I'd like it if you'd start a thread about the Paradise Garage and your memories of it. Some of the things you said above are pretty interesting. Good to get some context on this (and other) records too - would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys. I still love it, but it's good to get a handle on how it was perceived at the time.

Another great song that hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet: Donna Allen - Serious (Do we have a better term for this type of music other than '80s disco'?)

I picked up the "Serious" 12" for 50 cents last year. A pretty weak production but it was fun hearing where Strike's "U Sure Do" came from. I'd classify it as '80s R&B/dancepop.

would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys

Listening to it again, it makes sense. Even in the seven minute mix, there's no break or real instrumental section that would appeal to clubbers/DJs. It's very pop.

i only just discovered Taana Gardner's 'Work That Body'. hotness.

also Sylvia's 'Automatic Lover' and Tata Vega's 'Get It Up For Love'. all this awesome endof70s disco-pop i wish i'd investigated sooner.

Tch, get wit the program Stevem. I'll post you a cd-r of all this type of stuff if you pester me enough.

<i>A pretty weak production but it was fun hearing where Strike's "U Sure Do" came from.</i>

Did Strike sample Donna? Aw, it's not weak though, it's very very pop so I guess the PG bigwigs would have sneered but it sounds great played out.

Surmounter, I'm sure it's too late now but I'd recommend the first SOS Band album if you really want an album and not a comp. I pretty positive that Jam and Lewis had nothing to do with that one though so maybe it's not what you'd want.

well, i mean i wasn't specifically looking for jam and lewis, but for that sound

and i realized that i don't necessarily have to place a big amazon order - i do like the independent sellers, so it's not like i'm saving on shipping buying everything at once

i ended up ordering: Cherrelle - High Priority, Rene and Angela - Street, and something else on the thread linked above - Loose Ends or something it was called? i'm so xcited. i also bought a ton of kristin hersh, the new bjork and a That Dog album.

would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys

Listening to it again, it makes sense. Even in the seven minute mix, there's no break or real instrumental section that would appeal to clubbers/DJs. It's very pop.

Thank you! A "radio record" maybe? (btw, thanks dude, you make sense to me and I will try to remember you are saaaafe).

Saxby, I'd like it if you'd start a thread about the Paradise Garage and your memories of it.

Yeah, hey cool except I don't know if you are just some troll trying to get me to make an ass out of myself somehow (which given half a chance I probably would do). "So Larry rolled his eyes and said to me...."

The other thing really is that I aim to actually stay anonymous on here. If I really get into who I was actually running with (or really much about much), you'll be able to Google me or some shit that I just ain't into.

That Dog

Anna W. forev. <3 her solo album is also probably a nice pickup at ebay prices.

By the way, just in closing, it really isn't terribly amusing to me the way the mob took over independent dance music and turned it into oceans of buppie MOR sludge, "R&B" and "hip-hop". Support that shit if you want but I ain't about it. I hate to say it (for one thing because it's a bit painful) but if all them cool gay people hadn't died, it probably wouldn't have really went down quite the same way.

Like, really, Saxby is out this bitch. Watch out for the clothing line.

Ah no I'm not a troll, I just found some of the things you said on this thread fascinating and I'd like to read them someplace where you won't get jumped on and dissed. I see your point about wanting to stay anon but I hope you stick around ILM, you seem like you'll add a lot to it.

=) i love how this thread's responses are now counting down to 0. what happens when they get down to 0?

what! now counting up again!

I hope you stick around ILM, you seem like you'll add a lot to it.

Thanks dude, I just meant I am outta this thread... I'll be sticking around ILM. I'll try to remember you are OK then. You were smart to pick a name like NI, btw. People don't track every fucking thing you do I bet.

um, so I just put Cherrelle's High Priority on, and it definitely sounds good to me ;-)

omg Saturday Love

This is such a great thread. FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

actually I was thinking about this thread earlier today.

I thought of another reason I love this song: it's in my vocal range, only down a few octaves.

I need to hear you karaoke.

sundaymondaytuesdaywednesdaythursdayfridaySATURDAAAYYLOVE

My history at karaoke in total:

* Daft Punk, "One More Time"
* Stevie Wonder, "Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing"
* Prince, "Erotic City"

Okay so Oh No It's U Again off High Priority is really, really great, EXCEPT there's this one fucking percussive tick throughout the song that WON'T FUCKING STOP and it's like BARELY keeping a reasonable beat and it's DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!

i mean like i almost feel sick from it, cuz i can't stop paying attention to it, when the rest of the fucking song is so good.

ugh.

I can't find the mid-80's R&B thread.

Here's Evelyn Champagne King's "Betcha She Don't Love You". I love this song. It's been far, far too long since I've heard this kind of music, like months or something!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9268lMQuM

o_O bimble v. saxby

I don't really think AIDS was a good thing.

However I do think "Somebody Else's Guy" isn't all that great either.

"i told you twice - i was only trying to be nice, only trying to be nice"

^^^such a great lyric

high priority holding up awesomely well. it's like a little music box: pink, perfect and glittery.

what should i get next?

Joyce Sims - Come Into My Life LP or Very Best of collection w/ same title. It's a bit more electro (86 i think) but very good.

http://www.amazon.com/Joyce-Sims/e/B000AQ0KXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cowp0eP8VOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zbb4yy2-A4

^^^actually bought that Joyce Sims CD off of Mark (Unrest) Robinson at a yard sale in Somerville, MA a couple years ago...

has this been mentioned : Evelyn "Champagne" King - Love Come Down

more effervescent than Cherrelle's cool, but imho as timeless and classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu5xfnUz7c0

"Everything At Home" is a lovely thing.

"Everything I Miss At Home," rather

affair is an incredible record

Let's go dancing.

good grief, this is a boss record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44wgSRFb1k

can never be enough songs about hot guys whose big mouths you wanna kiss

yeah i don't really get the big mouth thing tbh, but i'm right there for those stabs in that chorus - it's like jimmy jam's gone and smashed his bottle of magic potion and he's waving its jagged neck right in your face

there's quite a lot of implied violence in some of jam & lewis's productions for cherrelle imo, some of those basslines sound like they just want to knock your head clean off

drums that sound like they want to crunch straight into your knees

it's almost industrial music in a velvet wrap

made sense that she and Alexander O'Neal worked so well together; they coaxed out of J&L their fiercest productions.

Those real time spazzy drum machine fills...

you look good to me is one of my all time favorite songs for sure