Best Bryan Ferry solo album?

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Might as well. The responses should be fascinating.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
These Foolish Things 7
Let's Stick Together 5
Boys and Girls 5
The Bride Stripped Bare 4
Bête Noire 2
As Time Goes By 1
Frantic 1
In Your Mind 0
Another Time, Another Place 0
Taxi 0
Mamouna 0
Dylanesque0


Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link

It may not be his best, but Let's Stick Together has always been my fave...

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link

It's my favorite.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I voted for The Bride Stripped Bare (Greil Marcus' #1 album of 1978!).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link

let's stick together, with boys and girls and frantic close behind

akm, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I love These Foolish Things, but there's just something about the sound/feel/mood of The Bride Stripped Bare that get's to me every damn time. So that's the one.

JN$OT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 07:15 (sixteen years ago) link

boys and girls.

, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 07:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm probably the only one who votes for "Bête Noire", but for me that's sort of the top of perfection for him as a soloist. Slick and wonderful yuppie production, which he was always great at.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:26 (sixteen years ago) link

These Foolish Things for about a thousand different reasons. The tough part for me is picking what's second best.

sw00ds, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's Stick Together. Wonderful Roxy covers.

zeus, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I dig all the other covers on Let's Stick Together, too (there's one or two on These Foolish Things that don't quite work for me) so I think I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon for LST.

But I have to put in a good word (maybe the only one?) for In Your Mind. The title cut, "Love Me Madly Again," "Party Doll" -- it's one of my favorites.

Dan Peterson, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's Stick Together has a few rubber donuts: "It's Only Love," "You Go To My Head," the "Sea Breezes" re-make/re-model. On the other hand, Ferry's updated "Casanova" smokes (there's a reason why he performs this version to this day).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's Stick Together has a few rubber donuts: "It's Only Love," "You Go To My Head," the "Sea Breezes" re-make/re-model

Unless "rubber donut" means something positive, I have to disagree with you. Those are freshly baked trans-fat free donuts with imported Uzbek cinnamon in them.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"Freshly baked trans fat-free," yes, flavorful no.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha. If you prefer that rancid after-taste, I guess there's no arguing you out of it. (Okay now I have to put LST on as soon as the Miranda Lambert CD finishes up.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

LST is overall probably my least favourite of the '70s ones. I don't care too much for any of the Roxy remakes ("Remake/Remodel" is ok), and the choice of covers is in some cases just not interesting (could he have picked a crappier mid-60s Lennon-McCartney song?). That said, I think the two side openers are among his greatest performances, and the title track should've been a #1 single in America.

sw00ds, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

As for In Your Mind, I'll take "Love Me Madly Again," maybe "Tokyo Joe" (he's performing both on his current tour) and "This is Tomorrow" and throw the rest to the wolves.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"Sea Breezes" is great. Ferry's voice is all over the place on that song, and meaningfully (evoking some weird sense of struggle).

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

"Shame Shame Shame" kind of sucks, but I generally don't love his semi-straight attempt at bluesy R&B kind of stuff.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

(This album will forever remind me of boiling spaghetti in my first apartment.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Really? Maybe Ferry's reluctance to use vulgar electric guitar on his eighties solo work makes "Shame Shame Shame" a welcome novelty, but I love it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

This cover of "It's Only Love" is great, and actually adds its own twist to the song. But I like the original to begin with, which apparently some of you do not. I like the horns in the beginning, kind of sound like something the Beatles might throw in (an album or two after Rubber Soul). I like the stateful little guitar line.

"You Go to My Head" is great! It's so Ferryesque! I actually prefer this to the 40s Billie Holiday version. There's so much going on vocally in individual words (e.g., "spinning").

(Sounds great on my new stereo too, so thanks for the inspiration to listen to it.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link

If only, say, Jarvis Cocker would release an album called Ferryesque...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I had forgotten all about the title of Ferry's new album.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm going with Bete Noire.

Joe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Bump.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Why Bete Noire. I'd genuinely like to know (despite the fact that a thread already exists).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not so much a fan of the "slick yuppie production", as Geir puts it above, but I just love some of the songs that came out on that album: "Right Stuff", "New Town", "Day for Night", "Limbo"...

I was listening to Boys and Girls in the car today, and that's pretty great as well.

Joe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link

"Boys And Girls" is the one I would have voted for hadn't it been for "Bete Noire". Although "Mamouna" is also great and "Taxi" is the best of his covers albums. The rest of his solo albums I don't like much at all.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 10 May 2007 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I love "Day for Night" and "Kiss and Tell," but there's waaaaaayy too much echo and thumping percussion. Ferry doesn't even bother enunciating syllables (a friend calls BN's predecessor Bryan Ferry's Cocteau Twins record).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 May 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's Stick Together. "Heart on My Sleeve" was on the jukebox at my college pinball place. Good jukebox.

ellaguru, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

results!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Given the responses I'm not too surprised Let's Stick Together did so well, and though I don't get Boys and Girls ranking so high it's not completely unexpected either. The pleasant surprise, I guess, is Bride Stripped Bare. I'll assume the As Time Goes By vote is a joke, even though I happen to like that album.

sw00ds, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

This video for "This Is Tomorrow" is sick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqrTUNrWSM&feature=related

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 January 2008 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

If this thread started today I'd probably vote for Dylanesque.

da croupier, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:42 (sixteen years ago) link

The "Positively 4th Street" on that record is outstanding.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I really like the whole thing! I haven't heard every Ferry solo album but those I have feel a lot more grab-bag and/or just buried in "atmosphere."

<i>Dylanesque</i> >>>>>>>> <i>I'm Not There</i> soundtrack, too.

da croupier, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

The "let's get my live band and run through a bunch of Dylan songs" concept works in large part because Ferry's such an idiosyncratic artist himself, and one who normally stultifies everything with studio perfectionism. The relative (and I mean relative) tossed-off quality is really charming.

da croupier, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Alfred, I've been (slowly) listening to Scott & your discussion re. the Roxy/Ferry albums, and today listened to the Stranded piece. I thought what you said about "Psalm" being 70s-Elvis-style gospel missed the mark, because "Psalm" is more unrestrained than any 70s Elvis I know. But then I listened to Another Time, Another Place for the first time, and thought that the Elvis connections here were more clear, in particular with the 1971 album Elvis Country. That album is mostly a covers album, full of introspective country-folk songs that frequently venture into ennui. While ATAP isn't a country-folk album, it's not so far from one (and of course Roxy at the time played with country, cf. the opening of "If There Is Someone" and "Prairie Rose"). I'd say that ATAP is akin to that Elvis album, in the sensibility it explores. Heck, it even shares a song ("Funny How Time Slips Away"). I was surprised at how much I loved ATAP today---def. will be returning to it again soon.

Euler, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought what you said about "Psalm" being 70s-Elvis-style gospel missed the mark, because "Psalm" is more unrestrained than any 70s Elvis I know

You could be right. I've listened to maybe two albums' worth of Elvis in this period, and what made the comparison plausible was the way Ferry flitted between camp and sincerity using the restrained voice he essayed on For Your Pleasure's "Beauty Queen." A couple of my judgments were improvised. I'm pretty sure if I heard "Psalm" now I'd change my mind.

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks for listening, by the way!

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

i grew up with Bete Noir and Boys and Girls being staples in my house as a little kid, and then got really into Roxy later in life. now I'm really pissed that I never heard Foolish Things until just now. was missing out.

surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

xp yeah, it's been interesting---I was looking for a way to structure/motivate my listening through Ferry's oeuvre in particular, and this is doing the trick.

Euler, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Trying to form thoughts on the B+G-Bete Noir period was my favorite part, actually.

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

"Don't Stop the Dance" from Boys and Girls sounds like the most amazing thing to me right now. I want to start a band and make music based on the way this song feels.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link

Incredible song.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 05:07 (eleven years ago) link

have you heard the 12" single?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:59 (eleven years ago) link

Truly. Good fucking music.

Et tant pis pour Byzance puisque que j´ai vu Pigalle (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

that Nile Rodgers slink-guitar stretched out gorgeously

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Putting in a plug for my friend/sometime ILM poster sw00ds (couple of posts on this thread), who'll be writing about Ferry's cover albums this week at One Week//One Band.

http://oneweekoneband.tumblr.com/

clemenza, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

Aweesome. The Go-Betweens week made for good reading.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 August 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

Ned, sw00ds, and I on The Jazz Age and Olympia:

http://rockcritics.com/2013/02/21/roxymania-re-turnedre-tuned/

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link

Only three people listened to the last two Bryan Ferry albums, but they all recorded a conversation about it.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

saw Bryan Ferry last night. holy shit, what a show. i sort of expected some kind of low-key midtempo lush affair but this was a pure rock show, like something from the late '80s. complete with some sick guitar solos and great backup singers wailing away and this incredible sax player who looked like she stepped out of a robert palmer video. we talked to her after the show, she had been in some other band playing saxophone, and she said Ferry had heard her music and sent her a message on myspace(!) and that's how she ended up in his band.

nomar, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link

How's his voice? Last thing I've seen from him live were some videos from a couple years ago, I think some TV performance of Loop De Li, and seemed somewhat deteriorated. I'd love to catch one of those shows if he's singing at 50/60% of his top form.

cpl593H, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link

A friend of mine said that he saw him in NYC and that his voice was much stronger than its been. I don't know how that could be – these things tend not to reverse themselves after 15+ years. But he said he sounded great.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 12 August 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link

his voice was showing its age a bit but i thought he acquitted himself well throughout. he seemed a little buried in the mix for much of the show (which i didn't mind; you could hear him well and the band was so on point), but during the quieter songs he sounded good. his aging quaver works nicely for his style.

nomar, Friday, 12 August 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link

Good to hear. I will say: as much as I appreciate some of the nuance of his voice in old age, I would much prefer to hear "Avonmore" sung by the Bryan Ferry featured on the cover of that album rather than the nearly-70 one who actually sang it.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 12 August 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link

I dunno, Roger Daltrey was sounding pretty ragged with the Who, then he had surgery on his nodes (or whatever) and after I saw him solo and with the Who and he sounded pretty good. And god knows Ferry isn't singing as hard as Roger.

Anyway, I saw Ferry last year or so and he sounded great.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 August 2016 03:41 (seven years ago) link

He sounded ragged but OK when I saw him in 2011.

Can he sing this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrG2WTzFXw

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 August 2016 03:52 (seven years ago) link

Stupid black monolith for me.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 August 2016 03:54 (seven years ago) link

Depends on your browser. I had problems at work yesterday morning b/c I was on Chrome.

It's "The Name of the Game."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 August 2016 12:08 (seven years ago) link

I have no problem on Chrome on my phone, will check computer and safari in a bit. That's where I've had problems.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 August 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link

I know this isn't "solo Ferry", but "Same Old Scene" is so unique, amazing, revolutionary--with the chilling synths, everything is perfectly layered and the groove is unbeatable. "Same Old Scene" sounds like it laid the basis for all of the new wave music of the first half of the 80s, I believe Duran Duran said it was a very influential song for them (Ministry even recorded a demo of it as well that's on Spotify), so I am surprised it is not more widely known. Despite Flesh And Blood having these soaring, catchy singles, the album has an oneiric quality that I really enjoy for all of this period's transitional awkwardness.

pplasma, Saturday, 13 August 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link

an amazing song

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

All those burbling synths in the verse are the best

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 13 August 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link

I love Flesh & Blood.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 13 August 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

Flesh & Blood is the only Roxy album I don't really rate but Same Old Scene is an incredible song.

Kitchen Person, Saturday, 13 August 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link

I should clarify that I don't really think of F&B as Roxy in the way I do pretty much every other album of theirs (including Avalon). It's far too broad stroke pop, too new wave textured and too session-y in a way that none of their other records are. But on its own, I really enjoy it.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 14 August 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link

I thought his voice sounded pretty good in DC a few weeks back

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 August 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link

Didn't Eno chose "Same Old Scene" and "Mother of Pearl" as his favorite post-himself Roxy songs?

I checked again those tv performances, which were on Jools Holland... He sounds pretty good on Loop De Li, but on Virginia Plain all you can hear are the backing vocals. Anyway, glad to know he's OK. I'm all for it if his singing is on Frantic level.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link

I post this occasionally, because it's fun, but this Icehouse song (replete with Eno backing vocals) is such a wonderful "SOS"-era Roxy rip-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekufPK0pGvE

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link

If that's "Hey little girl", yeah we noticed back then.

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 14:27 (seven years ago) link

No, it's a song called Spanish Gold.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Have spent the last week or so with Mamouna. A record I never rated much sounds like Kane stalking Xanadu nearly a quarter century on. The tunes are runway model skeletal, the performances so comped I’m not sure most of the performers could spot their parts if asked (indeed, Manzanera couldn’t on “Don’t Want to Know”), the lyrics often a collection of empty cliches. And for all of his celebrated return, Eno is all but inaudible in the dense,murky fog that is Bob Clearmountain’s mix.

And yet...yet...I find this record almost hypnotically beautiful. There is a handful of great songs. “Which Way to Turn” is gorgeous and dripping with dewy sadness, and “Chain Reaction” is one of his best post Avalon pieces. There are some fabulous individual moments as well, including the bridge to “Gemini Moon,” and Ferry’s melancholy piano coda to the title track.

But the record works best as a piece – impressionistic pieces of taut, aimless funk and drifting sambas to nowhere adorned by Ferry’s admirable croon. In retrospect, this is the last time his voice would sound this way – by Frantic, the legendarily fulsome baritone would charitably be characterized by Chris Roberts as “lived in, not merely dined in,” but in truth had clearly entered its decline phase.

Here, though, it’s merely a lead instrument, adorned by his thickest, most mucous-y production yet, chock full of guitar atmospherics and Prophet pads that threaten to drown out the Eno treatments – which in any case do not remake or remodel the production here so much as sink into it like a luxury sofa.

His greatest collection of songs? No. His most memorable album? Nope. But his best, most consistent record? Quite possibly.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 July 2019 02:21 (four years ago) link

Well said. Mamouna's got some gorgeous bits to offer. I think I especially love the run from track 4 to 6: title track - The Only Face - The 39 Steps.

I would have voted for Bête Noire in this poll, which is a longtime favourite of mine. Boys & Girls is a close second.
I'm a massive Ferry fan but the winner of this poll - These Foolish Things - would never have crossed my mind to vote for. I don't dislike it, it's fun... but it may be my least favourite Ferry solo album!

Valentijn, Friday, 5 July 2019 06:23 (four years ago) link

I was always proud of my Mamouna salvage job.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 July 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link

Indeed, was recalling it when I composed the above.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 July 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link

lol, a few days ago, apropos of nothing, I was playing "These Foolish Things." My wife walked in and asked if I was listening to the "Rocky Horror Picture Show," which ... otm?

"Mamouna" has always been my sentimental favorite, most likely because it was the first solo Ferry album I ever owned, and got right when it came out. I know I was already a Roxy fan - I bought all their albums as cutout cassettes - and I somehow knew of songs like "Kiss and Tell." I remember when "TaxI' was released, but didn't pick it up (was it the mere three-star RS review?). But "Mamouna" I got as a promo, and for some reason I was super-stoked. Probably because it came out at peak '90s Eno. Anyway, I listened to it a lot and saw him on that tour. I recall him starting with his "I Put a Spell on You" cover. He sprinkled glitter on the stage, iirc. And Steve Ferrone was playing drums .

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 July 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link

and he played keytar!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 July 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link

Your experiences are startlingly close to mine except I bought Taxi at the time of release, thanks to hearing "I Put a Spell on You" on my college station.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 July 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link

(I think we are very close to the same age.)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 July 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link

Woah, mine as well. Down to the glitter.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 July 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

How about those covers?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:52 (four years ago) link

diappointed mamouna didn't get any votes, I think that's the one I listen to the most these days.

akm, Sunday, 9 February 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link

Yes, and Taxi is really good. I remember this just getting slammed when it was released; baffling to me.

akm, Sunday, 9 February 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link

Agree about yr #1

Οὖτις, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

As Alfred already knows, I would rank "These Foolish Things" a lot higher than it's placed but am satisfied with the rest of the rankings; also, that first song is no longer a Dylan song but a Ferry one, such is the cover's greatness (which seems to be the case with most Dylan covers).

We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link

Also, Boys + Girls and Bete Noire are equally awesome albums. <3

We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link

Mamouna is by a long shot my favourite but I wasn't around here to vote for it. Which Way To Turn is my favourite solo Ferry song mostly for the way he sings "I can't control my feelings if I tried" in the manner of a man who, at his wildest, loosens his tie, undoes three buttons and lets a forelock dangle onto his brow.

Lemon Kitten (Dan.S.), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

I'm not sure which is more visibly uncomfortable for Bryan Ferry: playing guitar or growing a beard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOnYGdGgqs4

I keep expecting warring factions of an Italian crime drama to bust into this video and destroy the place.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 28 May 2023 01:43 (ten months ago) link

Tad
12 years ago
it's great how he sometimes just gets it all wrong!

Kim Kimberly, Sunday, 28 May 2023 02:17 (ten months ago) link

Wasn’t this a bad time for Ferry because of a particularly difficult romantic breakup? I always associate the beard with that - it brings to mind Luke Wilson and how he believed growing a beard was a good fit for his lovelorn character in The Royal Tenenbaums.

birdistheword, Sunday, 28 May 2023 02:19 (ten months ago) link

Yeah - sez Wikipedia:

It was recorded after his girlfriend Jerry Hall left him for Mick Jagger in 1977, and appears to contain references to their break-up.

birdistheword, Sunday, 28 May 2023 02:21 (ten months ago) link

The answers to the original question:

These Foolish Things
The Bride Stripped Bare
Bête Noire

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 May 2023 15:11 (ten months ago) link

Wasn’t this a bad time for Ferry because of a particularly difficult romantic breakup?

There was also a madness in his soul, and he'd go to L.A. laundromats to watch clothes tumble over and over.

Best: The Bride Stripped Bare, then Frantic
Worst: Dylanesque or Avonmore
Overrated: These Foolish Things
Underrated: In Your Mind or Olympia

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:00 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ecstatic over this Mamouna reissue. I can believe it includes songs from Horoscope, which is the original iteration of the project

http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/albums_129.php

beamish13, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:13 (ten months ago) link

What's weird is that Avonmore had several of those Horoscope songs, and you can tell: his voice is richer, thicker.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:19 (ten months ago) link

The cover model seems dejected seeing the pillage of Ferry's tape vaults.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:38 (ten months ago) link

i wish the vinyl reissue had the Horoscope tracks; if not it should retain the original cover, I think. I'm sure they'll slip those out on vinyl for RSD or something

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 15 June 2023 17:57 (ten months ago) link

NVM me I misread that whole thing, looks like the vinyl does have those tracks, just not the other outtakes

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 15 June 2023 17:58 (ten months ago) link

What's weird is that _Avonmore_ had several of those _Horoscope_ songs, and you can tell: his voice is richer, thicker.

Ferry’s voice saw some shit in those intervening 25 years.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 June 2023 11:25 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

i've been doing a roxy music + ferry runthrough, i'm very familiar with every roxy album but ferry beyond boys & girls is totally unknown to me, both before and after. really loved the cover records, really enjoy bride stripped bare transitioning into the reunited roxy music material, but last night i had insomnia and i ended up listening to mamouna over and over again and am totally under its spell and adore its hungover-at-nighttime atmosphere

ivy., Friday, 22 September 2023 18:14 (seven months ago) link

Great wisdom indeed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2023 18:17 (seven months ago) link

yeah it's one of his best albums, I'm continually surprised that not everyone agrees with that.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 22 September 2023 18:58 (seven months ago) link

Hi!

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2023 18:59 (seven months ago) link

These are long basks. "Which Way to Turn," "Chain Reaction," the title track, "The 39 Steps" -- classic Ferry. When I saw him in '95, he and the band extended the latter to a 12-minute jam.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XPLB3lGFOo

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2023 19:00 (seven months ago) link

yeah well I expect to agree with you on everything other than Press to Play.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 22 September 2023 19:30 (seven months ago) link

Finally official release date for Mamouna/Horoscope: November 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1FsWsme3pU

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 14:59 (six months ago) link

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Bryan Ferry’s ninth solo studio album ‘Mamouna’ is being reissued for the first time since 1994 and is being released on two deluxe formats. It was Bryan Ferry’s first studio album in seven years to feature original recordings, having worked on the album for six years under the working title of ‘Horoscope’. The previously unreleased alternate recordings to the final ‘Mamouna’ versions are collected for the first time on these deluxe reissues as the ‘Horoscope’ album. The 2LP audiophile heavyweight vinyl was half-speed cut at Abbey Road Studios, London, by master engineer Miles Showell. The 3CD version also includes the ‘Horoscope’ album, with an additional disc of previously unreleased demos or “Sketches” from both the ‘Mamouna’ and ‘Horoscope’ albums. The artwork direction for the updated reissue was overseen by Bryan Ferry himself. The album features a stellar cast of supporting musicians including Nile Rodgers, Guy Pratt and Steve Ferrone, as well as contributions from his Roxy Music bandmates Phil Manzanera, Andy Mackay and Brian Eno. The album peaked at Number 11 on the UK Official Album Chart and includes the singles ‘Don’t Want To Know’, ‘Your Painted Smile’ and title track ‘Mamouna’.
Track Listings
Disc: 1
1 Don't Want To Know (1999 Digital Remaster)
2 N.Y.C. (1999 Digital Remaster)
3 Your Painted Smile (1999 Digital Remaster)
4 Mamouna (1999 Digital Remaster)
5 The Only Face (1999 Digital Remaster)
6 The 39 Steps (1999 Digital Remaster)
7 Which Way To Turn (1999 Digital Remaster)
8 Wildcat Days (1999 Digital Remaster)
9 Gemini Moon (1999 Digital Remaster)
10 Chain Reaction (1999 Digital Remaster)
Disc: 2
1 Where Do We Go From Here (The 39 Steps)
2 The Only Face (Horoscope Version)
3 Desdemona (N.Y.C.)
4 S&M (Midnight Train)
5 Loop De Li (Horoscope Version)
6 Gemini Moon (Horoscope Version)
7 Raga
8 Mother of Pearl (Horoscope Version)
Disc: 3
1 Mamouna (Instrumental Edit '89 / '94)
2 Your Painted Smile (Instrumental First Draft '89)
3 Your Painted Smile (Later version with guide vocals '89)
4 Your Painted Smile (Piano and Vocal '93)
5 N.Y.C. / Desdemona (Instrumental '91)
6 Robot (Instrumental First Draft '89)
7 The Only Face (Instrumental First Draft '89)
8 The Only Face (Piano and Vocal '93)
9 Loop De Li (Instrumental First Draft '89)
10 Horoscope (Instrumental '90)

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 October 2023 01:21 (six months ago) link

Oh darn

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 October 2023 15:34 (six months ago) link

So was Horoscope actually a finished eight-song album, ready to be released in this form, or just the name of a project that became Mamouna?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 5 October 2023 15:43 (six months ago) link

depends on how you look at it. it wasn't really done and ready to be released, it turned into Mamouna, but it's fairly close to 'done'. You can find high quality versions of it online.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 5 October 2023 16:09 (six months ago) link

Many of the songs he cannibalized for future things. I prefer the "Loop de Li" on Avonmore.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 16:36 (six months ago) link

agreed

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:23 (six months ago) link

I've argued for years that he kept the '94 vocals on several Avonmore tracks. You can hear the difference.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:24 (six months ago) link

Here you go:

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hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:13 (six months ago) link

lol

I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_28Ja-xXn7c

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:14 (six months ago) link

He's singing the melody line from "Mamouna."

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:14 (six months ago) link

this is a 94 recording with 89 guide vocals though, not an avonmore recording with 94 vocals.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:17 (six months ago) link

Oh, I wasn't making that point again. I was posting the first track he released from the set.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:19 (six months ago) link

oh, ha

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:21 (six months ago) link

My friend Andy Zax on FB:

Horoscope circulated internally at WBR at the time. (I still have my official in-house copy.) Everyone hated it, and for good reason. The version of “Mother Of Pearl” is an unspeakable horror.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:34 (six months ago) link

Needless to say I'm interested in Ferry invoking Cthulhu here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:34 (six months ago) link

He's singing the melody line from "Mamouna."

Yes, it's the verse of "Mamouna" and the bridge of "Your Painted Smile". I imagine that, starting with these sessions, Ferry would do a lot of reconfiguration of parts of songs in the attempt to create finished masters.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 5 October 2023 20:03 (six months ago) link

i disagree that it's an unspeakable horror. It's interesting. Is it vital and necessary? no, but it's not a total embarrassment. On the whole horoscope feels unfinished, which it is; and Mamouna is an infinitely better finished product (my personal second favorite Ferry solo release)

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 5 October 2023 21:06 (six months ago) link

I remember, when Mamouna first came out, my friend suggesting that the then-unknown Horoscope must have contained eleven other Zodiac songs in the vein of "Gemini Moon".

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 5 October 2023 21:08 (six months ago) link

The version of “Mother Of Pearl” is an unspeakable horror.

I had no idea such a thing existed so it was the first thing I checked out. Of course it pales next to the original, almost everything does, so remake/remodeling it was rather pointless, but it's a sultry groove and fun to sing along with. I didn't hate it.

Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 5 October 2023 21:17 (six months ago) link

There are also very few examples of Ferry remaking/remodeling pre-1976 Roxy in the post-1979 style. I’ve written before how incongruous certain aspects of the transition seem – in that sense, the Horoscope “Mother of Pearl” is a bit of a missing puzzle piece.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 7 October 2023 04:35 (six months ago) link

So they have released the ‘89 instrumental and final versions of “Your Painted Smile” from this edition as well. The former, which appears to be all Ferry on keyboards, is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1FsWsme3pU

It seems the message is “Here is Bryan’s process for arriving at this record.” And it is indeed a very interesting process.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 8 October 2023 00:21 (six months ago) link

it's cool because they haven't done this before with his solo albums; and this wasn't the obvious one to do (that would have been boys and girls; but maybe there isn't as much outtake material for that)

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 8 October 2023 02:20 (six months ago) link

I've long wanted a Ferry + synths/Ferry + keyboard Rick Rubin project.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 October 2023 04:55 (six months ago) link

Andy Zax has been involved in solid reissues, but I truly don’t care about his personal opinions regarding music

beamish13, Sunday, 8 October 2023 05:37 (six months ago) link

His opinion about the re-made re-modeled "Mother of Pearl" isn't any better or worse than other assertions in this thread.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 October 2023 12:47 (six months ago) link

I've long wanted a Ferry + synths/Ferry + keyboard Rick Rubin project.

Given the state of his voice, I would settle for a bunch of additional synth demos along the lines of “Your Painted Smile.”

One track on these sessions that I’ve always been somewhat intrigued by is “N.Y.C.” – which at first (or even second or third) blush is one of the most musically and lyrically enervated numbers in Ferry’s catalog. It doesn’t seem to go anywhere musically and trades on some seemingly tired lyrical cliches. Yet, behind Nathan East’s hammy slap bass octaves lurk these lithe little touches—the taut Maceo Parker sax riff and mildly dissonant descending progression when he sings “On the mainline/To Harlem” among others—that have always piqued my interest.

The Horoscope version of this (apparently titled “S&M”) suggests there was originally a bit more in store here, including additional lyrics that reference Birdland and “Take the A Train” – with the song sequenced to flow directly into “Midnight Train” (which went unreleased until Avonmore more than two decades later), forming a bit of an urban mini-suite. The instrumental demo on this deluxe edition may yet unearth more behind this seemingly slight number.

it's cool because they haven't done this before with his solo albums; and this wasn't the obvious one to do (that would have been boys and girls; but maybe there isn't as much outtake material for that)

I would think that the next most obvious candidate for this treatment would be Frantic, since, like Horoscope Sessions, we have the sessions for Alphaville and a similar half decade gestation.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 8 October 2023 21:25 (six months ago) link

that would be great because Frantic is likely my third favorite ferry solo album.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 8 October 2023 21:49 (six months ago) link

I wonder what else exists of the Roxy sessions that then morphed into the rest of Olympia

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 8 October 2023 21:54 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Soooo great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75cRAMGGAIc

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 November 2023 15:51 (five months ago) link

Edit of Mamouna title track instrumental demo from 1989 and fading into the 1994 track now also available. I again enjoy listening to Bryan putz around on his ROMpler.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 16 November 2023 14:20 (five months ago) link

Raga and Mother of Pearl redux are both amazing.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 19 November 2023 03:21 (five months ago) link

Yep. “Raga” was one of the first things I checked out. It was called “Blinded By the Life I’m Living” on the boot I had – but the Nth generation sound on that one completely obscured what an absolute corker it actually is.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 November 2023 01:40 (five months ago) link

I do not think "Mother of Pearl" is amazing.

The attempts to get "Your Painted Smile" and "The Only Face" right suggest he could've written first-rate instrumental music.

The deluxe is a fun listen. Oddly, most of Ferry’s ROM-pler demos are richly atmospheric and more in keeping with the final versions on Mamouna than Horoscope, which while detailed and layered feel like they are missing a final layer of lacquer typically associated with most of Ferry’s work.

Some initial thoughts and observations:

“Gemini Moon,” likely a central tune to the Horoscope concept, is more a straight funk number there, absent the swampy Duane Eddy-ish guitar on the record proper.

The same is true of “The Only Face” which, according to Jonathan Rigby’s (excellent) Both Ends Burning book, had been kicking around since 1976 – its descending circular chord progression bears more than a passing resemblance to Roxy’s “My Only Love,” which Ferry also beat into the ground over the years. The sweeping demo and piano and vocal drafts included here are great.

Interestingly, the version of “Loop De Li” on Avonmore actually begins with an overdubbed version of the demo included on this – none of the mostly completed Horoscope version is used, including the vocal which may not be from 2014 but is certainly post-Frantic.

By contrast, “Midnight Train” here hews pretty closely to the completed version – again, the vocal may have been re-recorded for Avonmore but generally this sounds far more similar, albeit with a slightly less prominent disco rhythm guitar.

“N.Y.C./Desdemona” as noted upthread was clearly conceived as part of an urban suite here. The original sketch is pretty similar to the final version on Mamouna, albeit a bit more programmed and leaden, with most of the little touches—the whistling in the intro, the Maceo sax, the live drums—added as it progressed. It’s possible Nile Rodgers’ part was added later as well, tho he may be just mixed lower on the Horoscope version.

“Raga,” as mentioned, is terrific, particularly once it transitions from its languid opening section about 3:05 in. Why wasn’t it included or finished is a bit of a mystery. It may have been that the phrasing if it’s refrain was too similar to the “Tick tick time/It don’t mean nothing” of “Gemini Moon.”

Will try to add some more thoughts over the course of the holiday week.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 15:03 (five months ago) link

We got Alfred review

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/bryan-ferry-mamouna-deluxe/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 21:23 (four months ago) link

Hurrah!

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 21:49 (four months ago) link

Great review!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 22:49 (four months ago) link

Thanks! Labor of love

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:08 (four months ago) link

I’ve never heard a note of this, & that review made me very intrigued. Very much enjoying so far. Nice slow burn on ‘The 39 steps,’ loving it.

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 30 November 2023 00:32 (four months ago) link

lovely review Mr. Soto

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 30 November 2023 01:39 (four months ago) link

That's a lovely review of Mamouna, Alfred. Always thought that the middle section of the album - 'Your Painted Smile' to 'Which Way to Turn' - could be Ferry's strongest solo work.

This run of goodness abruptly ends with 'Wildcat Days' - it didn't help that I originally misheard the title of the song as being 'W**ker days (and lonely nights)'. I know you're cultivating the image of the romantically frustrated lothario, Bryan, but have some decency, man.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:32 (four months ago) link

"Gemini Moon" is a nothing too. "Chain Reaction" tho is one of his strongest closers.

Ah but “Gemini Moon” has this one sublime moment during the slightly atonal bridge just before the two minute mark where he sings about the “hangman card.”

Also, since we’re talking about them, I have just noticed that for some reason he’s swapped the sequencing of “Wildcat Days” and “Gemini Moon” on the deluxe.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 06:27 (four months ago) link

Man I adore "Your Painted Smile". The live versions I've heard are fine but lose that studio crafted melancholy.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 11:00 (four months ago) link

oh and thanks all!

"Gemini Moon" is a nothing too. "Chain Reaction" tho is one of his strongest closers.


FWIW, I would say there are three kind of aimless tunes on this record where Ferry seems to be working overtime to muster up some tension: this, “Wildcat Days” and Al-fave “The 39 Steps.” Each feature a slightly malevolent groove, whoosh-y sonics and … not much else (tho the latter does try to spice things up with an airy B-section and a sort of reverse guitar solo).

I still find something interesting in each, but they def. form this album’s “Writer’s Block Trilogy” with “N.Y.C.” not lagging too far behind.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 17:59 (four months ago) link

I'll save "The 39 Steps" for those reasons and for Ferry's double-tracked vocal; I'm a sucker for singers who overdub themselves singing in a higher register.

We fans needed all the strange mid-90s Ferry could muster.

Also, bereft of the double tracked vocal, but a more illuminating window into Bryan and Brian’s then-resurgent partnership than the song they wrote together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPh7EKKwDI4

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 21:41 (four months ago) link

Eno does his best to enliven "The 39 Steps" in that remix, but it's for naught. Ferry hasn't written a good one-chord song since "The Bogus Man", except maybe "The Main Thing". He claims to write all his songs on piano, how the hell do you write something like "N.Y.C." that way? Play a minor triad in 4/4 at mid-tempo and say, "OK, that's my song"?

His two-chord songs of this era can be good ("Which Way to Turn") or bad ("Wildcat Days").

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 7 December 2023 16:08 (four months ago) link

The 39 Steps >> The Main Thing

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 December 2023 16:10 (four months ago) link

"The Bogus Man" may be the first song where he does the octave doubling on the vocal.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 7 December 2023 19:07 (four months ago) link

I've heard this now. Horoscope would definitely be the worst Ferry album if not for Dylanesque. None of the songs are better than their better-known versions, though "The Only Face" is an interesting alternate up-tempo take, and "Mother of Pearl" is such a strong lyric set that it can even survive being Milli Vanillified. "Raga" is so dull as a track that I'm surprised he bothered writing lyrics for it. There are some really poor sequencing decisions - "Desdemona" coming after "The Only Face", in the same key and tempo, makes me think I'm hearing the same song twice in a row every time I listen. Going for the thick layering of Mamouna was a much better decision than Horoscope's attempt to imitate Bête Noire's dancier/poppier sound.
I see that "Loop De Li" was originally titled "Your Love Has Died" on the earlier versions of the record, maybe he felt that was inappropriate in light of his then-wife's subsequent fate.
Sketches is a nice, evocative mix, with the two versions of "The Only Face" again the highlights.
Thanks Alfred for your review, but this had to make me laugh:

Some fragments suggest that Ferry could’ve eked out a sideline as a film composer.

Point taken about the atmospheric nature of the instrumentals, except they have to do usually in a couple of weeks what he takes years to complete. Any 1989 porn film composer could have cranked out "Robot" in an afternoon.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:04 (four months ago) link

"Robot" gets tedious quick but it's still pretty cool coming from Ferry.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:28 (four months ago) link


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