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It's a remix, y'all...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, fuck them for doing this and not letting people sample them. Really.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

"them"

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

EMI, whatever. This isn't coming out without EMI's stamp on it anyway.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

care-o-meter.jpeg

― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

I want to hear the Cleopatra-released industrial remix album, Don't Laibach Me Down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

"The 28 track album uses the full range of the group's output from I Want To Hold Your Hand to Get Back."

I misread the last part of this as a single song-title thinking it was a mash-up.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

I misread that as "I want your hand to get back"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Get back up offa that hand"

Seriously, this sounds like it's going to be absolutely godawful but hopefully in some sort of uniquely genre-destructive way (staid old fogey George Martin hears of new "Re-Mixing" technology!), but it will probably just be a grotesque exercise in banality...

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I wish they'd just put out 'Carnival of Light' instead.

― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

"for the benefit of Mr. Kite" + Cirque Du Soleil = too perfect?

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am actually caring about this.

I remember reading somewhere Macca's reaction to the finished product was something along the lines of "it's good but it could stand to be a little more out there, really."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

What's the likelihood of the 98 year-old George Martin achieving out-thereness in the year 2006?

― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty damned good, I'd say. Most ninety-year-olds I've known are at Sun Ra-levels of sheer insanity. (Though I should point out that GM is actually 80.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

PRESUMABLY THE GODDMAN WORST FUCKING THING EVER

― PappaWheelie: Giving out breaks to the needy since September 25th, 2006 (PappaWh, Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

"Yes, well, I will not have my work cheapened by slime merchants. Speaking of which, please listen to Rage in Eden" as soon as possible."

http://www.multinet.no/~jonarne/Hjemmesia/Favorittartister/beatles/George_Martin.jpg

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Tracklisting for the "new" album:

1. Because
2. Get Back
3. Glass Onion
4. Eleanor Rigby
Julia (Transition)
5. I Am The Walrus
6. I Want To Hold Your Hand
7. Drive My Car/The Word/What You’re Doing
8. Gnik Nus
9. Something
Blue Jay Way (Transition)
10. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!/I Want You (She’s So Heavy)/Helter Skelter
11. Help!
12. Blackbird/Yesterday
13. Strawberry Fields Forever
14. Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows
15. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
16. Octopus’s Garden
17. Lady Madonna
18. Here Comes The Sun
The Inner Light (Transition)
19. Come Together/Dear Prudence
Cry Baby Cry (Transition)
20. Revolution
21. Back In The U.S.S.R.
22. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
23. A Day In The Life
24. Hey Jude
25. Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
26. All You Need Is Love

― darin (darin), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

the reviews of the sound mix for that show have been pretty good, so I imagine it'll be interesting, although not absolutely essential

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

pathalassa : miles davis in the 70's :: love : all beatles ever

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/190/va_clowns.jpg

"you better run for your life, little girl"

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I was up late one Saturday night a couple months ago and Access Hollywood or one of those shows did a whole hour on the Cirque de Soleil Beatles show and devoted a whole segment to the remixed/retooled music. A lot of sounded really fucking great, so I'm excited to hear this.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Cirque du Soleil is amazing, but I've hated the idea of the Beatles show since the moment I heard about it. Non-enthused.

― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

So is this all going to be calliopeed out? Kazoos?

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.residents.com/bh/images/BEATLESRESIDENTS200.jpg

― Eric Harvey (eric marathonpacks), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

yes that's true. the residents already did this idea 30 years ago. but this should be good. maybe.

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Cirque doo Beatles vs. Twyla Dylan?

― don (dow), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

You what'd be great? If this was actually phenomenal and ended up being just as influential on pop music as any other Beatle album.

One more for the canon!

― Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what the three extra minutes will be.

Hang on, no I don't.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2006/04/19/cirque_love_beatles.jpg

(Thought I'd lost the thread,..)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Won't someone PLEASE stop the baby boom steamroller's reign of terror?

― Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

'...WITHIN YOU WITHOUT YOU rolls to the rhythm of TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS while GET BACK and GLASS ONION entwine as one. Sacrilege? Anything but. More radically than the 90's Anthology series, this demands the listener to reappraise The Beatles' brilliance with fresh ears. A genuine revolution in the head.'

says simom goddard in Q.

so there you go.

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

A quarter of a century after Stars On 45.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

5 stars in the new Mojo, "stimulating, entertaining and moving. You'll listen to it more than you have Anthology, I promise"

I think it sounds interesting and I'm looking forward to hearing it. Best thing I suppose is it's remastered from the original tapes much the same way the Yellow Submarine soundtrack was so it should sound pretty great.

― mms (mms), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

From what I was told personally over the summer (connections, darlings!), this is much more the work of Giles Martin than his dad. It's just a soundtrack for a Vegas show, not the second coming - and I'm also looking forward to hearing it.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

5 stars in the new Mojo, "stimulating, entertaining and moving. You'll listen to it more than you have Anthology, I promise"

And what did they say about "Anthology" at the time of its release I wonder?

― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Something like "You'll listen to it more than you have (sic) The Beatles Live At The BBC, I promise."

I suppose we should be grateful that it's not

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drf600/f655/f65553hxdrb.jpg

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

... I'm guessing they didn't say, "This is a load of old cack that you'll play once and never listen to again"

― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I mean they can't even use the "keep the bailiffs away from George Harrison" excuse any more.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

man i dunno, as i listened to ANTHOLOGY 1 and 2 a *lot* so...

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

What The Beatles should do is have some hip producer remix a couple of their unfinished unreleased songs, and then release them as singles hoping to get to UK#1 and once again get past the overrated so-called "King" on the list of largest number of UK #1s.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

elvis was king of rock an roll he will be alive forever so shut up you stupid young hooligan you long-haired beatles freaks would never be here had it'nt been for THE KING go and burn in your loud heavy rock metal hell you blasphemer satan!

― ELVIS LIVES (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Geir, No point, they'll just get Elvis fans to go buy some daft rubbish 'unreleased' track again.

In any case, Cliff Richard has two singles out for christmas. So, that'll have him past the Bugs' haul.

In any case, the Beatles' number one hit rate is better than the rest (Spice Girls and Westlife apart), (Oh and John Trav/Olivnewt, who got 2 out of 2 apart from some single they did much later that flopped I believe blah is anyone readingthis now?)

Let it go. (The Beatles I mean, not Geir. Oh hang on..)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Take A Chance," number 84 in 1983.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I call that a flop mate.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone besides Danger Mouse remixed the Beatles? I'd love to hear some disco type edit of Eleanor Rigby, what with all those strings.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gohomeproductions.co.uk/mp3.html

Go halfway down for some excellent Beatles remixes.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Looks more like mashups, which I'm not particularly fond of.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

There are good ones and terrible ones, these are the best of their kind. best one = "Karma Life" which improves it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Soundhog mashup of "Day in the Life"/Mogwai/Kid Loco is one of my favourite 3 mashups ever ever ever. Really ace.

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

go home's fabs mashups include non-anthology out takes,
so he gets my thumbs up. no pun intended.

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

A quarter of a century after Stars On 45.

hahahahahahaha

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

solo paul macca stuff dance/mashed here :

http://www.twinfreaks.net/

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Cliff Richard will probably overtake The Beatles and Elvis when it comes to UK #1s sometime by the Christmas of 2050.

By then, Harry Webb will be around 110 years old, but his straight edge lifestyle, combined with his good contact will Jesus, will of course secure him eternal life :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

can't WAIT for this to leak

What a headtrip this one'll be

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

Boston's DJ BC got a Cease and Desist for his Beastles mash-ups (Beastie boys/Beatles)

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

EMI be handing out cease and desist order.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

I managed to get it before.

It wasn't worth it really.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

I heard four songs off of this today. What I heard was interesting, but not outstanding. Only embarrassing one was "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" - solo acoustic with strings.

Audio quality was great - really crisp, Ringo's drums sound very good.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

are the strings new then? that is allegedly the anthology version of guitar (from the esher demos, I think)

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds like the Esher demo version, though remastered. I don't recognize the strings, but I thought I read they weren't adding anything that wasn't on an old reel.

I wrote up my thoughts (with the pieces I recognized) here.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

John wote Goodnight, EZ

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

wrote, even

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

My bad - Should change it to George Martin's treacly strings then.

You would think I would have noticed that since I didn't hear it until High School!

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

Man, evn though I think the "Strawberry Fields" and "Lady Madonna" are better, the new version of "While My guitar" sounds awesome too. The strings are wicked.

I don't see how having it be acoustic and with strings is "embarassing", but hey, whatever you like

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

My problem with "While My Guitar" is that the strings seem unnecessary and don't add much. The original is great, and the Esher demo is so vulnerable in comparison. This new version just "is", if that makes any sense.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't dream of it, but...

http://brmb.blogspot.com/2006/11/monday-is-beatleday-8.html

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Monday 11th November on ILX, Beatles No List threads!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

"While My Guitar" is definitely my favourite of the four. (Where did those strings come from? I'm no expert.) It shades the original song in a sympathetic new light.

Don't like what they've done to the end of "Strawberry Fields". Too tricksy, too many clashing keys (the "In My Life" harpsichord being particularly badly placed), and the cheery "Hello Goodbye" outro chant is ill-matched to the mood of the song. It's just a bit pointless and confused.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

I like SFF though am undecided about the ending, I like the way it tracks the whole genesis of the song from demo, through take 1 and on to the light version then the heavy scored version. Really like Octopus's Garden. One thing I noticed is how upfront Ringo's drumming is on all these. They sound great.

While My Guitar is not an Esher demo, it's take 1 that George did at Abbey Road with acoustic guitar and a little organ (played by Paul?). It was after this he decided to bring in Clapton and redo it. The arrangement is a new one by George Martin. I think it's OK, but I'm not overly impressed by the arrangement.

Definitely made me even more eager to hear the full thing. I'm not disappointed by what I've heard, for which I'm glad.

― mms (mms), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening to "Lady Madonna" right now, and when it goes into "Hey Bulldog", it's completely freakin' out of tune! No excuse for that, really...

― lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

End of "Octopus's Garden" (into "Sun King"), beginning of "Strawberry Fields Forever" were nice; end of SFF is ridiculously gimmicky.

I actually don't have a problem at all with the strings on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" -- the writing could have been a bit better, but y'know, just think of it as a track off Five Leaves Left, right? Actually I think this may be my favorite version of WMGGW! (I don't like the original at all.)

That little downward-gliss "weeping" thing in the violins is kinda tacky, though.

― lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's leaked in full (apparentally)

I'm getting it at the moment, I'll let you know if it's legit or not

I'm excited though

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

13% to go !

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

I just can't seem to find a reason to care about this. Can someone tell me why I should care about this?

― A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

No new Anthologies coming out?

― The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, it turned out to be fake, but an audience recording has surfaced, which I burned out of curiosity and am about to listen to

I'm excited about it because it will be a pretty wicked headtrip of some of the best pop songs ever recorded by (arguably) the greatest band of all time

I'd like to see the Vegas show too, but thats pretty fuckin' far

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

No new Anthologies coming out?

I cannot see how the world would need any.

Rather, they should come up with remasters of all of the albums, including both stereo and mono versions in those cases where it is possible to squeeze into an 80s minute CD.

Plus they should release "2", containing the rest of their singles that didn't make it to "1" plus the occasional classic album track or b-side such as for instance "A Day In The Life", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", "I Am The Walrus", "Michelle", "In My Life" and "Here Comes The Sun".

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think they should perhaps PISS OFF for about 20 years.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

No, they shouldn't as young people of today need The Beatles more than any generation before them, as evident by the rubbish that has dominated particularly the Billboard list for the past years.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/04/11/beatles_catalog_to_be_remastered_offered

"We're remastering the whole Beatles catalog, just to make it sound brighter and better and getting proper booklets to go with each of the packages. I think it would be wrong to offer downloads of the old masters when I am making new masters. It would be better to wait and try to do them both simultaneously so that you then get the publicity of the new masters and the downloading, rather than just doing it ad hoc."

― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Rather, they should come up with remasters of all of the albums, including both stereo and mono versions in those cases where it is possible to squeeze into an 80s minute CD. ..

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...) (webmail), Yesterday 9:54 AM. (later) (link)

This seems to be what they are doing with the "Capitol" Box sets.

I guess they will probably not go as far as the "White Album" with this series, which is the only notable "Different" between stereo/mono record... Also, the albums from Sgt Pepper onwards were the same as the UK versions.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 November 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

A 5 star review in "The Guardian" -

http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/reviews/story/0,,1943176,00.html

Having listened to the leaked "audience recording" of the show, I am quite impressed, I must say. Can't wait to hear it in good quality.

But jeez, it's out a week tomorrow and STILL hasn't leaked yet !

In the "Grey Album" battle (New Beatles vs. New Jay Z), Jay is already losing, review-wise and album leak-wise.

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

The whole album is floating around now. It is very, very good so far - I'm looking forward to hearing how this sounds in 5.1 next week. It also bodes well for the supposed remasters.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

On my way to DL !

Been waitin' for this to leak, as if it took till' 5 days before release. Damn anti-piracy bastids !

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

It's wicked

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Friday, 17 November 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think the leaked copies are radio rips from the Virgin Radio program from a few days ago that played the album in its entirety.

― musically (musically), Friday, 17 November 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

Either way it's mindblowing.

Highlights -

- Mr. Kite / I Want You / Helter Skelter

- Within You Without you / Tomorrow Never Knows

- Strawberry Fields

- Lady Madonna

- Here Comes the Sun / The Inner Light

- Lucy in the Sky

It's all pretty sweet, but it's exhausting in a way, so much to take in.

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Friday, 17 November 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

The new mix and mastering job of I am the Walrus is fantastic.

― darin (darin), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

i am very intrigued by this. in the course of the day i've gone from "it'll be shit" to "ooh, hmm" to "will download" to "fuck it, will buy".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely buy it...Paul McCartney needs the $$$

― musically (musically), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to recall if there was some sort of major official Beatles release every Christmas for the last 10 years, or at least since the release of the anthologies..

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

The new mix and mastering job of I am the Walrus is fantastic.

I must need new ears. It didn't seem that different to me - except that the prolonged radio excerpts/fade out section at the end is a lot clearer.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

this seemed really corny and Vegas to me

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's not the difference so much, as the detail I can hear in the strings and guitar. The "whoooo"s the vocals at the very end are particularly nice - it just sounds better to me in general.

Whoever designed that "Love" streaming page on thebeatles.com needs a good cock smackin' though. God that thing sucks.

x-post

― darin (darin), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

x-post otm

...particularly with sections like 'drive my car/the word/what you're doing.

It has got that feel of a show soundtrack, where the producers usually round off any rough edges of the music, and hand the audience an ersatz sugary snippet of the music, moving on quickly before they lose attention.

A pox on it.

I'll just wait for the remasters.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

I am totally loving this, and I am a guy who scans past the Beatles on the radio; I never really wanted to hear them again. But the remastering and the imagination here is wonderful. While I listen to it I'm seven again, which feels fantastic.

― Brakhage (brakhage), Saturday, 18 November 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Agreed

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:21 (nineteen years ago)

The majority of it I found to be pretty blah, just because the songs juxtaposed together didn't really work all that well in most cases. At the end of the Something track, for example, with the Nowhere Man singing in the background with the Organ from Blue Jay Way. That section sounds really amateurish.

There are a few spots, though, where the cuts between songs work really well. The jump from Mr. Kite to I Want You is nice.

This also gets bonus points for not completely sucking.

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 19 November 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

While I listen to it I'm seven again, which feels fantastic.

So is it all about nostalgia - or does the music stand in its own right?

Not that i'm against nostalgia - but I can get my Beatles fix of it by flicking through the Anthology book.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

I just wrote some thoughts and impressions for my website, which I'll link to rather than clogging up the thread with:

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/11/no-ticket-to-wine-no-credibility/

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 19 November 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

the analogy with Brian Wilson's Smile is good.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

The siren in Julia and the ending of Strawberry Fields: is George Martin deliberately trying to make Lennon turn in his grave?

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

On reading the Guardian review I couldn't believe he/they would go with such a horrible juxtaposition, but I suppose there is a precedent of sorts...

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000009RM.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V64075049_.jpg

― LC (Damian), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's a bit of conspiracy theory, but John in later years thought his best Beatle songs were subconsciously sabotaged by George Michael and the others...

It's still going on.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

hmm...that typo makes it a slightly wilder conspiracy theory. I think I'll quit this thread here...

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Uh ... Did you mean George MARTIN, cause I don't think George Micheal has fucked with Lennon's songs that much.

That I know of...

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

I do agree though

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about this conspiracy theory. Why was Martin supposedly subconsciously undermining John Lennon's songs?

Also...I don't know, this whole subconscious element kind of throws me off. Can it really be called a conspiracy if it's subconscious. Also, why would he be doing it subconsciously rather than consciously?

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's a bit of conspiracy theory, but John in later years thought his best Beatle songs were subconsciously sabotaged by George Michael and the others...
It's still going on.

Paul McCartney, you mean. The admission was not one of John's more lucid or logical ones.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 November 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, i'm going through an inarticulate phase today..

In the Playboy interview, it's Paul being blamed - but in other interviews he fingered George Martin (particularly for 'ruining' Help and Strawberry Fields).

LENNON: .....I think subconsciously we -- I thought Paul subconsciously tried to destroy my great songs. We would play experimental games with my great pieces, like "Strawberry Fields," which I always felt was badly recorded. It worked, but it wasn't what it could have been. I allowed it, though. We would spend hours doing little, detailed cleaning up on Paul's songs, but when it came to mine -- especially a great song like "Strawberry Fields" or "Across the Universe" -- somehow an atmosphere of looseness and experimentation would come up.

PLAYBOY: Sabotage?

LENNON: Subconscious sabotage. I was too hurt. . . . Paul will deny it, because he has a bland face and will say this doesn't exist. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about where I was always seeing what was going on and began to think, Well, maybe I'm paranoid. But it is not paranoid. It is the absolute truth. The same thing happened to "Across the Universe." The song was never done properly. The words stand, luckily.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I can see where John's coming from. At the same time, if you're John Lennon in the late 60s, I'm pretty sure you have the authority to say "Hey, let's work on Across the Universe a bit longer."

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

He detested Hello Goodbye so it's a bit strange, if not subconscious sabotage, to have it as part of the (horrible) outro to Strawberry Fields

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

The songs that have been tampered with least tend to work best. The most interesting thing about it is the way it reveals vocal nuances that were previously drowned out in the mix.

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

The new version of "Mr Kite" and "Come Together" are both wicked, as is the new "Get Back".

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think I enjoyed I Am the Walrus most; it's awash with horn and string counter-melodies I never knew were there before.

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

i love it, but it might be a nostlagia type of thing. i love the beatles and hearing the songs done slightly differently is fantastic to me.

― Alexei (alexei), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

He did "hate" the edited together version of StrawbFields, as he could "hear" the edit as he knew the versions too well.

As do we all, nowadays.

Bear in mind John Lennon was not the most techie of musicians, so "all that" was a bit of a mystery to him. Add a bit of 'paranoia' in the early seventies, etc..

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

Love... or "remasturbation"?

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

OTM!

My kids are having a beatles phase (recognising John on a book cover, singing along to the songs as played by a sax band at an xmas fayre, etc), and have just got int Sgt Pepper. They enjoy it on a pure basis, in the same way "we did" in the sixties.

I say "we did" advisedly, and I'd sort of go against what you said about "timelessness" as Music exists now. If not, it's nostalgia. The Beatles can still resonate with my kids because a lot of it hasn't dated too badly. (I'd opt out of the first few lps in that regard)

This new album is a pure reaction to GoHome Productions et al, refashioning "A Day in the life" with Karma Police's backing. Which works brilliantly and should be heard.

It's not a reaction to the "Grey Album", that's wayy too black. As John said on a xmas flexi "It's an all white policy in this group!" Yes he was joking but it's still there. (Billy Preston notwithstanding). Oh, and the Black Album mixed with Pavement was way better. But this being BeatlesBand thread, it's off subject.

The Anthology series was a reaction to the bootlegs with fantastic sound. The Red and Blue comps a reaction to a bootleg "Hits" box. The Beatles at the BBC similarly a reaction to LP comps (multivolume).

And so on.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Possibly interesting "Well I never" here:

The famous "Beatles" logo, i.e. this: http://www.cortland.edu/ace/ace2000/john/logo.jpg

.. never appeared on any Beatles album during their lifetime.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

What part of the sentence "RELEASE CARNIVAL OF LIGHT" don't Apple Corps understand?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

The famous "Beatles" logo, i.e. this: .. never appeared on any Beatles album during their lifetime.

I was just thinking that too. But it has now. I think it's part of the tendency for older artists to "forge" their young selves as they age. Old Mick Jagger now competes with Mick Jagger impersonators; he has "forged Mick Jagger hair", very probably a wig. David Bowie spent the first half of his life trying to look like anyone but himself, and then the second trying desperately to resemble the brand images of himself. Self-sampling, self-simulation... they aren't exactly a mark of confidence, are they? "Remember me?"

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

interesting point re EMI and mashups :
http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2006/11/emi_to_release.php
making my suspiscions that Danger Mouse was full involved with the powers that be for Grey Album, and knowing that GHP has done plenty of Beatles tweaking over the years.
after all, it wasn't long after it the cease/desist chaos, it was announced that DM was to step in for Gorillaz production.

― mark e (mark e), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

e.g. The current Rolling Stones would never make "Their Satanic Majesties Request" as it's not within the "branding", whereas in the sixties, "hey, it's us making it, it's a Rolling Stones album by default"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

The famous "Beatles" logo, i.e. this: .. never appeared on any Beatles album during their lifetime.

http://www.starclustermusic.de/artists/beatles/beatles/cover/dfbe6405.jpg

― harveyw (harveyw), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I should have said "UK album". i.e. band 'approved'

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Fellow Parlophone/EMI recording act Gorillaz.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah MC, i know.
i have asked relevant people many times re Cease/Desist re Grey Album, and always get put down. but the whole thing was too well timed and obviously controlled. and now this GHP EMI album is on the cards with a twiddler who has access to Beatles cat. it all points in the same direction.

― mark e (mark e), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

I note the lack of legal action taken against the BBC and/or Westwood for playing practically every track off the Grey Album on his show.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Playing" is a different kettle. I believe if the copyright owner (i.e. song publisher) is paid, there's little legal action available.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

What would have been interesting: backing track of Within You, Without You + Macca's vocal on Commonwealth Song.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

So is it all about nostalgia - or does the music stand in its own right?

Just reminded me how good the music was after I spent a long time moving on to explore other music. I just spent whole days as a kid listening to Pepper's, flipping it over and over obsessively. The remix brings back that sense of excitement about the music, not nostalgia for my own life really.

I can't intellectually justify my liking this record – it pretty much is 'remasturbation', and it could have just blown. But it's a lot of fun, and it's not like the original albums are going to get deleted to make way for this.

I wish it was a little crazier though … compared to Grayfolded or something it's pretty sedate.

― Brakhage (brakhage), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

>What would have been interesting: backing track of Within You, Without You + Macca's vocal on Commonwealth Song.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), November 20th, 2006.

ha!

much too common for me

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 20 November 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Tomorrow's the big day !

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised people are getting into this. It's just nothing, really. Nothing surprising, nothing new, nothing really interesting. At least SMILE had some stuff which was unknown or unfamiliar to most people. In a couple of years this will be as forgotten as that other "new" Beatles material that McCartney did with the Super Furry Animals a few years ago.

― everything (everything), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

um this - Danger Mouse was full involved with the powers that be for Grey Album, and knowing that GHP has done plenty of Beatles tweaking over the years.
after all, it wasn't long after it the cease/desist chaos, it was announced that DM was to step in for Gorillaz production. - i know for a fact is complete absurd bullshit

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

The famous "Beatles" logo, i.e. this: .. never appeared on any Beatles album during their lifetime.
-- harveyw (harveywilliam...), November 20th, 2006 6:30 AM. (harveyw) (later) (link)
http://www.starclustermusic.de/artists/beatles/beatles/cover/dfbe6405.jpg
OK, I should have said "UK album". i.e. band 'approved'

-- mark grout (mark.grou...), November 20th, 2006 6:32 AM. (mark grout) (later) (link)

Hey, don't knock it, this is my favorite Beatles album!

― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

After all this, Westlife are number one in the album midweeks.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

They still do midweeks?

So, the big Oasis vs Beatles battle is to be won by oh well.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

The big Oasis vs U2 vs Beatles battle.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, them too.

I see the top albums, Razorlight is the top "not greatest hits/singles/classical fluffery" album, at number seven or so.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Razorlight's £7.99 at HMV Special Offer This Week Only at number seven.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

those playboy interviews are horrible. on soulseek there's an mp3 (about 15-20 minutes long) taken from the recordings of them if you can bear it. LENNON AFTER THE BREAK-UP it's usually listed as. brrr.

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

What part of the sentence "RELEASE CARNIVAL OF LIGHT" don't Apple Corps understand?
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), November 20th, 2006.

----------

give it time. one of the first things i ever typed into NAPSTER was
'Carnival of Light'. like an idiot.

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

.. and you got one minute of random backwards guitar noises, right?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

so what is the extra three minutes on the dvd version of this? also, didn't they originally say there would be something previously unheard and new mixed in here? is there? or is it just studio chatter somewhere?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever is there, it wasn't enough to combat the unassailable might of those four lovely lads from Ireland crooning their way through the old REO Speedwagon classic "Keep On Loving You."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, and it will be on the front of at least one paper, "Westlife bigger than the Beatles!"

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Against all sorts of better judgement, I am really enjoying this. Ignoring the sequencing / remixing, the pure sonics of it are an absolute joy. I've fallen in love with them all over again.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting article on the "25.5" sound design for the live show.

― Brakhage (brakhage), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Macca's a cunt but by hell he can play bass. And Ringo at last should get some credit now he's not jammed down one channel.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Got it today,

Still don't know what the extra 3 mins is,

Maybe a longer ending or some such.

Current favourite is "Mr Kite / She's so heavy / helter skelter", fuckin' brilliant

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

the strawberry fields mix is excellent (except the very end); so is tomorrow never knows/within you, which makes within you without you a really good song for once!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

and "all you need is love" finally sounds good for like the first time ever

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Time Out review is the best one I've seen so far:

http://www.timeout.com/london/music/review/audio/591/the_beatles_love.html

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

I've now had a chance to sit down and listen to this properly.

It's better than "The Beatles Movie Medley," I'll give you that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/yaxhaxley/sgtpeppers_blogthumb.jpg

― Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

and "all you need is love" finally sounds good for like the first time ever
-- kyle (akmonda...) (webmail), November 22nd, 2006 7:28 AM.

What about the Yellow Submarine Songtrack version?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds way better than that version, IMHO. There is finally some separation between the instruments on the backing tracks. I was amazed to actually hear a piano in the beginning of the song!

But judging this solely as a mash-up record, it is a bit of a disappointment. Had they given this to Mark Vidler, god knows how awesome it could have been. Still, the improved fidelity totally makes it worth while for me.

― darin (darin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I agree on "Within You Without You" finally being listenable.

I can never listen to the whole track, that or "Revolution 9".

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm liking this alot. Sorta disappointed by the mash-up aspect of it (wanted it to be more drums from here, vocals from there, strings from there) but it just sounds so glorious and just, well, loud now!

It's interesting that the point in the "Drive My Car" where it segues into "What You're Doing" is pretty much the same point it goes into "Do You Want To Know A Secret" on Stars On 45. Was it just too obvious a song break to pass up?

― Viz (Viz), Thursday, 23 November 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

No interest in the two extra tracks - Girl and Fool on the Hill (available in the itunes version)?

I agree with one of the bloggers that the main thought on Girl is that it shows the Rubber Soul album could benefit from an updated stereo remaster (not just the 60s George Martin version).

― Bob Six, Sunday, 13 February 2011 09:45 (fifteen years ago)

are they out there yet?!

when bloggers are talking about an updated stereo remaster what's their beef with the 2 stereo versions that are already out? i can never make head or tail of the whole Help/ Rubber Soul stereo versions business.

― piscesx, Sunday, 13 February 2011 14:29 (fifteen years ago)

Fool on the Hill (Love version)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MTMq17m0_0

Girl (Love version)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96xE636D0bA

― Bob Six, Sunday, 13 February 2011 14:41 (fifteen years ago)

Damn, Girl sounding good there. Fool On the Hill still sounds too Disneyish for me.

― Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Monday, 14 February 2011 02:12 (fifteen years ago)

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