Is anyone anticipating the new Diddy album?

The Pussycat Dolls are behind the Gorrilaz cartoon characters in a potential "Band Members Whose Name Nobody Knows And Whose Name People Never WILL Care To Know" thread.

And I say this as a dude that used to say (on ILX!) the same think Shaker just said.

i liked the JB song and the Pharoahe song, but i think deej is right it was probably more just the "oh wierd diddy's rocking an Organized Konfusion flow" factor...don't know if it's actually good.

"worst thing that ever happened to hip hop"...man i dunno...i sort of hated him at the time, then i saw the "feels so good" video by mase a while back and I was like "damn why didn't I understand how funny/awesome this was at the time"?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Lou_Reed_-_Street_Hassle_front_cover.jpg

I'm more sublimely indifferent to Diddy than anything else these days but this has always been a pretty weak response to thoughts of annoyance re: a musician. (Anybody, really -- fuck knows I'm not jealous of Clapton, say, about anything!)

i cant post ysis right? The song w/ ceelo, nas and kanye is pretty great.

i'm hyped about this, and i like everything ive heard so far except for the aguilera / just blaze. the throwing-money-about diddyness is a big charm obv; if it were pharoahe monch doing, well, his own song then what's the fun in that?

is 'get off' not gonna be on the album then btw? a 'get off' remix would be a golden chance to give elephant man something to do with his badboy deal!

8. Wanna Move featuring Big Boi, Ciara and Scar
9. Diddy Rock featuring Timbaland, Twista and Shawnna

^^^ dope

he was fucking amazing.

wtf they stole this from my brain

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf100/f100/f10039yk7pv.jpg

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>> I don't understand why people still say things like this.

YouTubers Protest Diddy TV With Parody Videos, Angry Comments

see what he did there

and as deej says, "Diddy Rock" is great. the other one is cool, but sounds like timbaland by numbers

Anyway all in all its a good, enjoyable album (although its no "No Way Out") w/ a largely unified sound and I recommend it.

I am all over Keri Hilson right now. She had a hand in Mary J Blige's Take Me as I Am and less relevant songs for Usher, Chris Brown, Avant, Danity Kane, and B5. She has a song of her own on the soundtrack to that awful Usher movie. She's on Lloyd Banks' Help and Xzibit's Hey Now (Mean Muggin')*.

*'Entourage rap'

KERI HILSON ON MYSPACE
KERI HILSON ON FRIENDSTER
KERI HILSON ON MOSLEY MUSIC
KERI HILSON ON METACRITIC
KERI HILSON ON AOL
KERI HILSON AT COKEMACHINEGLOW
KERI HILSON AT MUSIC-FOR-ROBOTS

If I had DJ MARTIAN'S energy I would do actual links for (some) of the above.

http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/a7/58/f4_2.JPG

Give in, Deej. Besides, everything is goth in the end.

I also agree w/ Andy that I want to know what Tim thinks!

*c. Tim Finney 2004

The Keyshia track's my favorite too.

Mid '80s R&B nerds: Juicy's Katreese Barnes does some of the arrangements.

xp

No, largely because I don't really like Diddy as a performer and I really, really hate Keyshia Cole; there is nothing there that would make me try to listen to this song (at least the Brandy song has Brandy on it).

seriously, this album is nothing if not honest.

I guess that makes sense as far as sales go.

last train to paris anticipation starts... here

on board

http://www.zshare.net/audio/555468246c28818e/

'lovers land' clip from making the band 4 - clown all u like but this sounds dope imo, that pressplay drama

yknow signing janelle monae to bb really seems like the biggest no-brainer ever, listening to that.

http://rcrdlbl.com/2009/08/14/exclusive_new_download_felix_da_housecat_x_diddy_lectro_black_last_train_to_paris_mixtape

dope imo... just leads me to wonder how much input Felix will have on the album itself (if any, wasn't he supposed to work on the last one?) and if will be all ravey or not

ha, how much does it say about Felix that even tho this is 90% him, all my thoughts about this are what impact it might have on Diddy's album?

o shit that is banging & incredible

diddy's been doing stuff w/ felix for awhile. i have this 12" (which i dont really play, but is interesting):
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-635293-1151523435.jpeg

'press play' is so good -- totally surprised i was so down on the havoc track upthread

I don't remember liking that track much at all, but yeah, <3 Press Play.

that felix mix is kool but i'd be surprised if last train didn't suck tbh. them two feeler singles are balls.

haha 'the future' is still so, so ridiculous.

btw i wiki'd to remind myself which the havoc tracks were and turns out the girl playing the estranged gf on 14 'crazy thang interlude' is out of electrik red -- diddy tastemaking from beyond the grave!

yeah one of my fave hip-hop albums from the 2000s

so a track leaked off the new one guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRB3Yvc_RWg

well, its pretty great imo

THIS is totally bogus tho!!! i guess this beat deserved a renaissance tho & i do love how they use that filter on it ... ok its good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLZK4RrRkUU&feature=player_profilepage

dudes this shit is dope!!

would you be at all surprised to know that ships has already gotten around to hating on that?

beat on "Love Come Down" is crazy

them two feeler singles are balls.

― r|t|c, Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:52 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

i missed that. at any rate, i disagree

'love come down' reminds me of 'pot cover' by general degree

out of curiosity rtc what do u think of this new ll cool j / ncis synergy joint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFSd8wvATI

lol i kinda like that, it's produced by tricky stewart!

LL is generally reliable for one good-to-great song every two years still

that wasn't it

yeah i like that track ok too, good beat! what a reasonable luda album cut it would have made in 04. on the reals tho, what it flops with by having ll pondering all over it it gains in random tv/soundtrack tie-in curators egg charm, so let's call it a draw.

said this before but i dunno why i get such inordinate satisfaction from tricky's regular non-dream producing gigs!

guess i can hear what you mean with the loping 'dutch pot' comparison to begin with re the diddy, but then the sample comes in ugly and i dunno, it's just a grisly kinda mess from then on - i accept it dangles jangly shiny enticing things in front of a listener, and i would love it to be good, but nah it's not doing it 4 me.

bah was it too much to expect two evelyn champagne king jacks in one year!

had no idea royce ghostwrote 'tell me'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePMBGmUPEE

new one (they're performing it on idol lol) is oooooooooooooooooooooookay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cfIcWeeTUI

apparently written by rico love, so you know

had forgotten about this project and the trax last year didn't really grab me but this is REALLY GREAT

i actually liked it a lot better after i saw the idol performance -- better quality prob & made more sense to me in that context

literally cold

breakdown on that is sick - shouldve been the whole thing. this seems like quite a good project for danja to go in on generally, he kinda typecasts himself when he does the one techno banger on ppl's albums all the time i feel.

'strobe lights' is probably still my fave song to come out of this so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy_iC6cKBxI

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/Screen_shot_2010-03-05_at_11.png

this seems like quite a good project for danja to go in on generally, he kinda typecasts himself when he does the one techno banger on ppl's albums all the time i feel.

this is otm

"Strobe Lights" is awesome but wtf at Wayne's offbeat verse. it sounds like it was just pasted in somewhere it doesn't belong esp with it going acapella and then suddenly cutting off at the end

yeah i do rather like the idea of a spoken word pella outro on it actually but as it is that's obviously something botched or unfinished or whatever.

re danja, i'd meant to say on the electrik red thread in response to ships that i'd tend to have more hope in random 3rd tier producer dudes with little to lose being flexible enough to rise to e.r's specific challenge than i would with danja or anyone else in that kinda established-but-not-meganame bracket; the temptation is understandably always going to be to do themselves a business favour by putting out signature heat rather than pondering over whatever song's in question or stretching out like danja did on the britney record. perhaps that might sound pessimistic, but then the days of him bubbling under with different shit like 'no matter what' for t.i seem to have passed so i dunno.

I still watch this at least once a week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9PzdJCMdg

heard 'good morning' irl and wanna change my statement - goes hard

interviewing him in a couple of days via skype :/

nice!

http://www.theprophetblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Diddy.jpg
this is incredible

sorry for typing 'this is incredible,' i wish i could get rid of that

i keep staring at it

i would not be shocked it comes out that diddy is a huge "lost in translation" fan

so warm, the cover

it's like even tho it's cold, it's warm

"hello good morning" is def a banger -- the bridge puts it over the top to a must hear radio joint imo -- altho i wish they'd replace t.i.'s corny ass verse for the ross one on the remix

man gtfo, ti kills that shit

i'm the captain of the cool kids!

i'm pretty fascinated by diddy's sudden obsession with ross

"i'm the captain of the cool kids" is right up there with "t.i., they call me candle guy" as t.i.'s corniest line ever

not the best signing to grand hustle i'll grant you

does anyone else keep hearing diddy say it as "still life but it's lookin like a mufti"

it just doesnt sound like movie ok

the ross verse is not that great, certainly inferior to the t.i. verse and frankly also inferior to the minaj verse.

i was disappointed to see this roundly dismissed @ the jukebox.

xp if you have a northern accent maybe? it def doesn't sound like mufti

i've really come around to "love come down" and "angels", as random leaks last year they didn't do a great deal for me but there's something about the action movie vibe of "hello good morning" that makes them slot into place

show 'em how to move show 'em how to move show 'em how to move show 'em how to move in a roomful of vultures

wait how does a northern accent come into it? i'm just hearing an extra syllable/pause thing in there. also not be unkind but arent you the one still thinking fantasia's seriously singing about the bosphorus.

tbh ti could be reading out his shopping list on this beat for all i care, he's lively and on beat whereas lumbering-ass ross drags the whole thing down.

this song is probably about a 7, what did it get on the jukebox?

i was entertained by the minaj verse.

i don't think i ever actually thought fantasia was singing bosphorus!

mufti in northern kinda = moofti, right? it's definitely a long o.

on the jukebox i liked it, someone else liked it, everyone else was like "beats are boring and diddy can't rap" sigh.

oh are you meant to say it muff-tee and not moof-tee? shit, no wonder i failed my sharia bar exam.

eh oop moofteh

do you know, it's one of those words that i'm not sure i've ever heard spoken out loud. i could well have been pronouncing it wrong all my life. i was 12 when i realised that "massacre" was not, in fact, pronounced as though it was a french word.

also, as this won't make the final copy, this is what diddy said about cassie when i asked (with literally 20 seconds of the interview left and the pr looming) -

We had to spend a lot of time on artist development with her. She was blessed with a big record out of nowhere, and was going on the stage with no one nurturing her. I've been spending a lot of time nurturing her.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio-medlineplus.pl?mufti001=mufti

this is incredible

― the front-porch spirit of M. Ward (Tape Store), Friday, May 28, 2010

cover art was plucked from an australian blogger: "This is the most random thing to ever happen to me, I mean I went on a fucken holiday, put a photo on my blog, and over a year later that photo ends up as an album cover for fucken Diddy."

http://literallyanotheraussieinlondon.com/2010/05/30/when-i-accidentally-designed-diddys-album-cover/

haha that's amazing

http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Diddy-Mona-Lisa-Photo.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2K8IFnttoQ

awesommmmmmmmmme

I hope that's a Chic cover.

Oh well. Bit of a disco beat at least. Doesn't do much for me though.

fuck me that is awesome, rapture man!

yea i like this

lol that /P_diddy_jessica_biel_stare.jpg is his photo on wikipedia

ha, it got reverted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfEh-eeTmso

this is great besides wayne and timberlake

is it just me, or did it seem like it took forever for the next dirty money single to leak?

I don't think they've announced a next single yet actually, I think this one may be it tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFAcBcFRdA

i think this album is gonna be incredible btw

yeah i thought it was that one w/ drake

yeah me too I love all of the leaks

shades is amazing

(inc. wayne and timberlake)

yeah it is

i need to do a james fauntleroy mix(tape)

he's like the best songwriter out for the past 2 years

disagree about wayne and timberdrake tho obv

i don't think this album is actually going to come out tho

lol...when i interviewed him it was meant to be a fortnight off release or something. then they said it had been put back to sep. *checks calendar* ok then, see you in '11 along with cassie. oh, bad boy records.

I'm hyped to see how this album is going to turn out. also 'I mean I went on a fucken holiday, put a photo on my blog, and over a year later that photo ends up as an album cover for fucken Diddy.'

hahahahahahahahahahaha. fucken.

'WTF. This is wackkkk. Would have been better if they were all in the photo at a train station or something with luggage, now that would have been fire.'

Turfucken.

'shades' and fauntleroy are classic just for having diddy sing

I’ll do anything for you
I’ll even take off my shades
and stare right at the sun from the stage
(I’ll even try different things)
I’ll even try different things
I’ll make love to you on marmalade
(never made love on marmalade)

I’ll make love to you on marmalade
(never made love on marmalade)

crucial qualification which makes this IMO.

says everything about drake that timberlake can let off a howler of a verse like that and still somehow be less irritating than the man himself

really really wish he wasnt on 'loving you no more' also - pretty cool song otherwise

diddy and this album are totally being dragged down by its guest peers :/

haha xp no i left off the even more crucial qualification later in the verse as the reality of diddy's suggestion begins to sink in

I’ll make love to you on marmalade
(Are you sure thats what you want to do)
If that's what you want to do

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/janlvtt/Smileys/backpedal.gif

yall saw grace jones is meant to be on this though right? do kinda think if diddy can get everyone to do some ursula rucker spoken word instead of their usual he can still pull this off.

had to stare at that gif for a minute to realise it was backwards rather than just diddy grimly pedalling to the corner shop

Second interpretation a bit deeper than I like to go with gifs.

heh. the-dream said like two years ago that he was writing songs for this album -- did any of those ever leak, i wonder? hope something makes the final cut, very curious to hear diddy attempting to sing a terius-penned melody.

i need to do a james fauntleroy mix(tape)

he's like the best songwriter out for the past 2 years

― Pitchfork.com, a music recommendation Web site (The Brainwasher), Sunday, October 17, 2010 4:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

looking at his resume...idgi

love his vocal arrangements, melodies, song concepts... a lot of the stuff I love by him are just demos that haven't been released like:

home
abducted
who's the loser now
drum life
casualties

then there's:

britney - mannequin
cassie - skydiver
chris & jordin - no air
rihanna - te amo

Last Train To Paris has been pushed back again and now it's "due" on the 14th of December? Tracks from this album have been leaking since Fall 09. I remember when Love Come Down and Angels were on every mixtape. It's like Her Name Is Nicole all over again.

lol her name is nicole

u know she's releasing another solo album lol

i love "No Air" and "Cold Case Love" but not knowing about his own demos i just think of Fauntleroy as being part of the machine churning out all of JT's mostly ho hum collabos the last couple years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVqXFU7MPG0

so fucking dope... I wish J. Lack got more work, really underrated producer with his own sound... I love every track he's produced pretty much

rick ross ghostwriting

man i really hope the "angels" rmx with ross is on this album -- secretly one of my fav songs of the year

in other news this is supposedly the next single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwcPIOY5CM

rlly? its just an old jayz beat

xp

i didn't say that the beat was one of my favorite beats of the year

props to whoever ghostwrote that imo, it's cute

that usher joint was fire also

props to whoever ghostwrote that imo, it's cute

j. cole supposedly :-o

poor stab at justifying your coulrophobia tho sean

produced by alex da kid of "airplanes" & "love the way you lie" fame & it sounds like it

also did "massive attack" o_O

i didn't say that the beat was one of my favorite beats of the year

― J0rdan S., Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:43 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dont really think they add that much is all

yessssss @ album cover being real

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MX5OZS/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_YoZ3mb11P5D6Q

ok how had i not heard "love come down" until now? this is dooooooooope

love "love come on down"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpNePF2ZJA

all the visuals for this album are gorgeous!

lol i mean "love come down"

IAmDiddy
Attention all djs I'm going to start dropping new music tomorrow from Last train to Paris which is in stores Dec 14, 2010!!! Let's go!

did diddy even delete drake's guide vocals from "loving you no more" or

yesssssss
http://rapradar.com/2010/11/29/new-music-dirty-money-x-swizz-beatz-ass-on-the-dance-floor

Tracklist is out + samples (http://www.amazon.com/Train-Paris-Explicit-digital-booklet/dp/B004EEYA22/)

still so much <3

Grace Jones on "Yeah Yeah You Would"

so unbelievably sick of swizz beatz but still super psyched for this

dope

so unbelievably sick of swizz beatz but still super psyched for this

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, December 1, 2010 7:48 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

100%

what i don't get about swizz recently is why he feels the need/why artists allow him to shout random shit all over the track -- he's still making some great beats, but he needs to stfu for like a year

http://soundcloud.com/vogueonline/sets/last-train-to-paris-1

can't get over "hate that you love me," sounds incredible.

this is definitely going to be one of the best albums this year

no carine roitfeld no credibility.

album's sounding like a total stunner though.

promo cds' (w/ instros) are around for 'ass on the floor', 'strobe lights' and 'coming home' btw.

what happens after diddy's bit on 'atof' is like the kinda shit you live for tbh. amazing.

yesss, the piano in that "hate that you love me" snippet is blowing my mind

what i don't get about swizz recently is why he feels the need/why artists allow him to shout random shit all over the track -- he's still making some great beats, but he needs to stfu for like a year

― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, December 1, 2010 9:00 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's like that sometimes, i mean, ridiculous

you're the love of my life, but you hurt my heart twice. now i'm drunker than a motherfucker, trying to find my way back to your heart, you motherfucker

lol @ drops from tommy hilfiger and mark jacobs ...

leaked

aw shit

so "love come down" didn't make the final track listing?

nope

full credits : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Train_to_Paris

whoa danja killed "hate that you love me"

thats rodney jerkins

he killed "yeah yeah you would" though

lol i can't read

the format of this wiki is throwing me off

kind of shocked that darkchild did "hate that you love me"

well it's overall great, first half is perfect.

phew

oh my shit, i want to punch timberlake in the fucking face for that verse

i think it's the only acceptable grocery bagging i've heard this side of minaj

there's something about it that's so absurdly goofy that i think it really works

that song is so fire too

two X-men hashtags?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/24/lol_no.jpg

rofl

sb'd you for calling them hashtags

man, how many awesome TI guest verses can we get in one year, fuck

yeah, timberlake works because it's self-aware. and because it's timberlake.

that's bullshit nothing can justify like "i'll slice you with my indestructible adamantium claws... WOLVERINE" or whatever dorkball shit he's saying

you consume my world... GALACTUS

hahaha

yes, that's what's it's like! he knows it. he also sounds intoxicated

you can't really make fun of his verse since it's making fun of itself

watch me

no -- watch your feet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLFjawAcWk8

lol chicago

feeeeeeling this album so far

between this, jazmine, yelawolf and ciara, nearly half of my top 10 albums of the year will have come out after end-of-year lists started emerging

HOW FLY IS HE
YOUR BABY MAMA CRY FOR ME LIKE JODECI

the first half of this is sequenced flawlessly, it gets a little rough in terms of flow w/ the trey songz joint (way too vulgar for this album imo!) but it's really just minor speed bumps

this is a really fantastic album

i've been lost in this album all night (in the best of possible ways). i want to fly in airplanes with it, walk around with it on rainy days, get stoned to it

i commend diddy's vsion

which, thank god, was actually this:
http://idolator.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/diddy.jpg

i'm drunker than a motherfucker
tryin to find my way back to your heart
you motherfucker

a plethora of guests (inc many unexpected ones), six-minute songs, a narrative concept running through the whole album, expensive-sounding beats from big name producers, songs revolving around loving someone through the prism of a massive celebrity ego...HMM

lol

otm!

10.0 imo

i think it will be legit to bitch when this gets like 5% of the attention of the ye album

& it's more cohesive

what are the touchstones for this album sonically?

i know reviews will say 'thank me later'

& i hope we can all look past chris brown's involvement

Is Diddy decent like he was on Press Play?

The performances on this past week's episode of "Saturday Night Live" were really not good.

you can't really make fun of his verse since it's makilet me have my way, I’mma have my way, Carlito

watch me

― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:28 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no -- watch your feet

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:33 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/v/YLFjawAcWk8&fs=1&hl=en

lol chicago

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:33 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is like markers level failed levity over here

oh look the comedy police

angels ----> jay-z - where i'm from ------> biz markie - check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHnQtzEawvI

oh look the chicago police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGIk64NA9tc

oh look chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFD1C4tVIg

saturday in the park? more like saturday in your feet

except it was a play off of phrase not entirely disconnected free association

yeah ive heard the biz markie, goes for a v different vibe though

dirty money is just a str8 rip

of the jay

except it was a play off of phrase not entirely disconnected free association

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 11:17 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

someone said "watch me," and you responded by posting "watch your feet" and followed it up with a youtube of "Watch My Feet." if you think you can spin that as not at all pointless or lame, be my guest.

dont see how its any less pointless or lame than yr typical dad joek but keep spending time on this

dad jokes are shamelessly or ironically deployed obvious or overtly silly jokes and puns. what you did barely makes enough sense to function as a joke on any level.

The performances on this past week's episode of "Saturday Night Live" were really not good.

This is so otm. I was sort of anticipating this album until those songs, then I lost all interest. But, tbh, all you guys enthusing over this is turning me around on it again.

don't pay attention to snl performances

"ass on the floor" is legit 10/10 but it was an absolute & utter mess on snl

i mean a big selling point of this album is the chilled lushness, the foggy sorta atmosphere... shit like that & it didn't translate at all on snl

plus "coming home" is the worst song on the album imo

i think it's the trey songz one but yeah

some dude, i'm gonna defend deej a LITTLE just because right after I posted "watch me" i originally thought, "no... watch my feet" like the beginning of the song. But I just had the good sense to keep it to myself

it was awful, i'm glad that ship is calling ppl out

oh, i agree it was awful. i'm just saying i understand the impulse.

comforting for deej, i'm sure

"that was a grizzly murder of an innocent family, but i understand the impulse" - charles manson

I literally can't get past those songs from SNL. He was so, so embarrassing.

yeesh joke overanalysis

Can anyone here Grace Jones on Yeah Yeah You Would? I thought maybe it was a fake submission by the music blogs to get more people interested, but even Itunes have her listed. I still can't hear her.

Shades is kinda awesome.

Doing spoken word is a good look for Weezy hahahaha.

shades is totally awesome

still need to find this whole album

I only said "kinda" cause I was only like a third through the song, wasn't sure if it was gonna stay dope. It did.

top 10 album

the thing about justin's verse that bothers me more than the grocery bagging, it's that he explicitly says at the end "you ain't never heard me talk like this/ lemme get my drizzy on for you" which is fine i guess since he is grocery bagging, but in the context of the song it always makes me picture him talking dirty to a chick in bed in character as drake, which freaks me out

lol

not being able to download is killing me right now. i need to hear this/ciara/calle 13. :(

I think he kind of pulls of the grocery bagging, too, actually.

"last nite pt 2" bonus track is great

http://hulkshare.com/475jbj0ezof6

justin sounds fine imo

i only breezed thru this really quickly but --> high expectations time here --> it hasnt crashed my top 10 or anything, although i do like it.

i think 'press play' might be more interesting / less conservative seeming to me than this does, or something. although i do appreciate what hes going for here

SMOKE WEED LISTEN TO SADE

fuchsia gaiters and cummerbunds

I want production credits... they available anywhere? Would like them for my review.

And I want to know who wrote Diddy's lyrics this time... Pharoahe Monch? Probably Hov again. Maybe Drake lolz.

Nm. I hadn't looked at Wikipedia yet. Doh.

there doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary re songwriting credits

im trying to love this but instead its just 'good.' o well

you're looking for love

i think the first six proper tracks are an incredible run - there's so much packed in there, so many ideas, and i love the way all the voices crowd in, no one voice really being allowed to wrest control of a song - it really does make it feel v urgent in an action movie kind of way.

second half doesn't click with me as much though i think that's actually cuz i'm so familiar with its highlights already, and the chris brown tracks seem the weakest (not just cuz it's him).

yeah there is a pretty clear break in quality starting w/ the trey songz joint that move this from possibly the #1 album of the year to a solid 5-8/9 range

LOL Ross totally wrote "Looking for Love" for Diddy. It's Ross's rhyme scheme exactly.

but still that second half has "strobe lights", "hello good morning" & "loving you no more" so it's still a good listen

hello good morning is so good

but still that second half has "strobe lights", "hello good morning" & "loving you no more" so it's still a good listen

yeah and "shades" - i love all those songs, i just have to get used to them flowing as part of an album

also "last night pt. 2" and "change" and "coming home," this albums is A+

i totally get the alex da kid hate but "coming home" is transcendent

i'm glad that they're putting "looking for love" out as a single, i think it should be a hit

i like "i know" a lot too -- the songwriting is a bit ordinary but i think the over emotive yearning & the housey thump of the chorus work well in the context of the album

yeah, i incorrectly assumed "i know" would be a trainwreck because of that guest list

yeah and "shades" - i love all those songs, i just have to get used to them flowing as part of an album

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 13, 2010 4:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, i guess i'm not really saying "second half" in a classic sense where you would break it off after the first chris brown song -- i think the minor dip in quality happens at the trey song

also "last night pt. 2" and "change"

are these actually on any editions of the album?! didn't know "change" was out there, that's the one terius kept hyping as better than "umbrella"

Damn it -- I thought I was done with my year-end listenning.

for p&j purposes is this officially Diddy-Dirty Money or can i just go w/ Dirty Money

lex, they're on the deluxe edition

alfred, listen to this

"change" is okay but not as good as the "change" that uses the eric clapton hook that diddy is on on thr33 ringz

it's styled "diddy - dirty money"

blech

I think "hate you now" is my favorite one on this for now

though when those tambourines or whatever they are come in on the second verse of "hate that you love me" i got CHILLS for real - that song is just gorgeous

i do feel like pretty much every song on this album really does open up w/ repeated listens -- even the stuff that leaked out before this -- i think the whole moody, meditative vibe of the album really plays into that

also i def think that the "smoke weed, listening to sade" influence is heavy here

Diddy - Dirty Money is a terrible and cumbersome artist name for this.

i think the whole moody, meditative vibe of the album really plays into that

idk, meditative implies that stillness is its thing, which is the case in places of course, but i get a real sense of twitchy, dramatic action - exactly what you'd expect from a hyperactive manchild who's driven by insomnia (which is an actual lyric here!)

During Diddy's last verse on "Your Love" it sounds like the "Hot Toddy" beat, no?

And the twitchy, Timbaland-esque beat on "STrobe Lights" is a 7 Aurelius beat. Makes sense. Love it.

i actually do think there is a real stillness to the album, even to the "hyperactive" songs (exception maybe "hello, good morning")

xp that's funny, because the first thing it reminded me of was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIK4m0ploXg

Downloading now. I'm really excited to perhaps care about a Diddy album for, like, the first time ever.

It's a good listen. "Last Night Pt 2" is fantastic.

Coming Home is great. Um. Did not anticipate liking this so much?

Admire the audacity of the cover. Wish they'd just released it as Dirty Money.

But if I had to pick between the overstuffed with features concept hip hop albums of 2010, this takes it, I think.

Whoa @ "Looking For Love"

Downloading now. I'm really excited to perhaps care about a Diddy album for, like, the first time ever.

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, December 13, 2010 4:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

his last one is good dude -- p sure all the people excited about this one were feeling 'press play' too

I'm as guilty as anyone of being lol Diddy for well nigh a decade now.

yeah i don't think I ever 180'ed so hard as when I realized I adored 'Press Play'

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/12/diddy_dirty_money.html

this is the first Diddy album I've ever considered buying

haha sooo tempted 2 hate on this album right now
holding contrarianism in check

J0rdan otm about this petering out towards the end (like T.I.'s bit on "Hello Good Morning" though).

all of HGM is fire

an air mattress seems like a dumb place to hide money tho

this peters out at the end only in the sense that the first like 7 or 8 tracks are an incredible run -- the back half is still great tho

it's styled "diddy - dirty money"

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, December 13, 2010 5:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

blech

― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 13, 2010 5:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's really "Diddy-Dirty Money" with no spaces around the hyphen, which is even more awkward

i think the first six proper tracks are an incredible run - there's so much packed in there, so many ideas, and i love the way all the voices crowd in, no one voice really being allowed to wrest control of a song - it really does make it feel v urgent in an action movie kind of way.

second half doesn't click with me as much though i think that's actually cuz i'm so familiar with its highlights already, and the chris brown tracks seem the weakest (not just cuz it's him).

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok, just listened to this per your request on the Kanye thread, and i like it. funny thing is, the second half is WAY more appealing to me than the first--which seems kinda bland/run-o-the-mill to me. but, yeah, "Shades" is pretty damn great track! dig them X-men references--tailor-made for Dan, i'd say.

wait, Chris Brown is on this? okay, not buying it

^^i wish people wouldn't keep trying to sneak c.brown back into our lives under the "feat." guise - he's not objectionable here (and luckily the songs he's on are the weakest anyway, not just cuz of him), but i def disapprove. he's on the new keri hilson album too, disappointingly, esp given its themes. (it's actually way more impressive than i expected, that aside.)

Posted yet? nabisco's review.

i think the point about diddy looking past indie rock for artiness is a great one

Yeah: Diddy summoning the arty instincts in well-heeled, familiar guests (Grace Jones is used for her touchstone qualities though).

putting this on now and O_O at 'yeah you would' beat

this is like that usher rubber balloon beat done good

Okay, you cats sparked my curiosity on this. (And, no, not a late jumper on Diddy or whatever, I did also buy and enjoy (although nowhere near as much as some of you guys) Press Play too). Was it worth the extra bucks I paid for the deluxe version?

u_u @ "hashtag rap"

Both mistake grandeur for art, as if the thing that makes a "masterpiece" is the fancy frame, or the marble pedestal, or the velvet curtains, and not the work itself. Both imagine songs will get better if you just keep adding cool stuff to them, and that "ambition" is about scale, not meaning.

havent listened to the diddy-dirty money (lol) yet but feeling this as a MBDTF critique

On track ten now, "Angels", and I'm really not feeling this that much. I guess I'm approaching it weird, due to the comparisons to the Kanye - guess I was hoping for something a little less "safe"? I don't know, too much R&B padding too?

deluxe edition is necessary imo

am i the only one who does an indie rock double take when he says "i thirst more"

I'm not one of those "OMG MBDTF is the best album of the year" folks, just to be clear, but I'm kind of wishing I hadn't approached this through the lens of "this does a better job of some of the things Kanye tried to do". I think I might have been more pleasantly surprised. At this point, I am just looking for "weirdness" where it doesn't need to be. Liking the song with Trey Songz right now though.

jon its more like a svelt R&B version of the same kind of ambition, rather than a pink floyd its a sade

sonically i don't think it's weird or out-there so much as packed with ideas and hooks (and y'know emotion too). lyrically it's pretty o_0

but then i don't think MBDTF is particularly weird either - it's just that it hews to kanye's aesthetic whereas this one, at least in its strongest stretch, is v clearly hewing to a club aesthetic

nabisco's review is, dare i say it, unfailingly OTM.

lol, did you guys notice in the comments where nabs says "Kanye's album is way, way better"?

lol

playin it safe

obama style compromise imo

so i bought the deluxe edition and it claims to have three bonus tracks (i know itunes edition came with extra one, maybe this is just a typo?). only 18 songs listed. maybe an unlisted bonus? will report back.

my deluxe is coming on friday...

my soul HOOOOWEELLLLS at the moon

kanye smedley

hey people who have been all like "lol why should i pay attention to p diddy" no way out was a classic (fuiud) way back in 97 so

no way bro

I'll go so far as to say "pretty good" but it's no five-star classic.

:-/

its a classic

its a classic

it's good. definitely no five-star classic but maybe four.

like a hard four, or a four and a half

better than "pretty good," ffs

its not a classic

i fuck with The Saga Continues too, mad underrated album

oh wait i didnt realize what was being talked about ive never heard that album

3.5 to 4 stars sounds like pretty good to excellent for me. I won't quibble.

im not sure if its only since i read the nabisco review that i feel this way but i do wish he would just chill out and like let the beat ride, or let a song develop slowly more often

It's enough for me right now that the new album is really good; I don't wanna upload Forever to find out whether he's pulling some Quincy Jones Back on the Block shit.

haven't heard the saga continues tbh

hey people who have been all like "lol why should i pay attention to p diddy" no way out was a classic (fuiud) way back in 97 so

i liked it. last Diddy-related thing i really dug iirc, unless his monstrous Jimmy Page collab counts.

still can't believe led zeppelin ripped off the godzilla song :o

they don't call 'em dinosaurs for nothing y'know.

The track order on the iTunes deluxe edition I purchased is radically different from both the leak and Wikipedia. I like it better too: "Loving You No More" works better in the center of the record than as a finale, "Yesterday" doesn't rob the album of all its momentum so early on, etc.

Also the extra tracks on the deluxe edition actually allow the record more space to breathe, weirdly. The second half feels less packed with big dislocated statements.

I'm kinda u_u at the synth part that comes during diddy's verse during hello good morning

Led Zeppelin ripping something off? First time for everything I suppose. 8|

i know, right?

i h8 that u <3 me has been heavy in rotation

the opening piano bit reminds me of the way that kanye's 'champion' starts hah

yo this starts out so fuckin good, know that's been said 10000x but really

oh my shit, i want to punch timberlake in the fucking face for that verse

― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:50 AM (1 week ago)

Punch him the face
Sugar Ray
Hate his fucking verse
So gay

timberlake is trying to channel prince (like "if I was your girlfriend" on that verse isn't he

gonna take shit for this but breezy is totally tolerable here

timberlake is trying to channel prince (like "if I was your girlfriend" on that verse isn't he

Nicki Minaj does this on her joint too.

which nicki m?

He says at the end he's "gonna get his Drizzy on" which essentially means the whole thing is pretend Drake.

It's a joke, but a joke like, "I killed your dog and burned your house down... get it?!"

http://i53.tinypic.com/2n022jp.jpg

It's a joke, but a joke like, "I killed your dog and burned your house down... get it?!"

― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:02 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol idk about that -- i think timberlake is just a huge drake stan (this doesn't bode well)

^^^ I can hear that

it would be more like timberlake telling you he built you a house and you show up and it's actually a treehouse molded in drake's visage

would you enter through the mouth or the eye

http://rapradar.com/2010/10/26/justin-timberlake-covers-drakes-over/

that is a fantastic image by the way, "timberlake sounds like he is living in a giant treehouse molded into drake's visage"

I'd open the Ark of the Covenant in his brain and watch it blast the evil parts.

http://rapradar.com/2010/11/03/drake-working-with-justin-timberlake/

But Justin, according to EW, is too busy Wanting to Succeed in Motion Pictures.

have any of u guys made love on marmalade is is cool?

"ass on the floor" is one of the best songs of the year

this kid gets it

twice as good as anything on the kanye and i don't even hate that album

i basically just keep playing the first seven or so songs god damn

i can't stop listening to this disc

uh, too

i love that second vocal track on the chorus ("and weeeee will neeeever lose....") - perfectly captures that hand-in-hand, disoriented, drunken weaving through the crowd right when you're stepping onto the dancefloor

yeah i actually really dig CB's few bars on "i know"

i think "yesterday" is great -- but i've always dug his pre-beating music (after which there was a definite drop off artistically imo)

the weird thing is the songs have somehow gotten less pleasurable as I play them but I keep on playing them, I can't stop

>_>

also the production on this is monstrous, much much better than MBDTF. the drums on ass on the floor are just WOW

'I told her I would love her
love her as forever
forevers just a word
I put words together'

^^^this is straight pulling the wings off a fly shit. damn

man I think I'm actually gonna buy the deluxe edition. interested to see how the different sequencing will work

j0rd otm about the 'cohesiveness' of the album. every song really feels rainy and dirty. I can't stop picturing the album art in my head when I listen. feel like I should take a shower after I make it through one play.

also O_O at 'love come down' but yeah I could see how it feels out of the place on this. a little too sharp

This album is approaching my top ten, just hours from my submitting the P&J ballot.

ditto

on a "am i seriously thinking about putting this in my top 3 after one listen!?" tip

I still don't care for "Angels" or the Drake number, but the first six songs are just beasts.

the bridge w puffy on hello good morning is like my fav 15 secs of music this year

could make a song out of it imo

wiz's weird enunciation always gets stuck in my head and i'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing

i didn't like "Hello We're Boring" or "The Biggie/Jay Mashup Show" as singles but they work well in the context of the album

wiz's weird flat voice is annoying imo and i don't know why people listen to him

that song is also weird because of puffs breathy encouragements after each line of wizs verse

This album is approaching my top ten, just hours from my submitting the P&J ballot.

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:50 AM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ditto

― some dude, Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:55 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thinking it might fall like 11 or 12. Diddy and Monae are both angling to get on there.

Diddy made it to #10 on mine, which I did a few days ago

i wrestled with this too. ended up mentally ranking LTTP at #12 or so, still not totally convinced i shouldn't have bumped it into my actual top 10...

Loving "Last Night Part 2" right now.

this is probably gonna be my #3 of the year

i want to thank diddy

thank you mased god

that "e. honda doing a leg kick" sample on 'looking for love' is so good

"Would you still ride if it was a Civic"

This ultimately didn't make it :(

half my pazz & jop top 6 will have been released in the past 3 weeks :/

that ciara/diddy dirty money/jazmine sullivan all released pretty amazing albums in the final stretch really shows up the concurrent kanye love

I gave the album 3.5 stars in my review. Still really like it, though.

i'm in the same boat except for me it's diddy/jazmine/my chemical romance lol

i haven't been able to check out anything new in the month of december at all :/ fucking dead laptop

I was amazed to hear that some company were able to vastly increase its sales of some shitey vodka to African Americans, merely by getting Puff Diddy to endorse it.

so basically you were amazed by the concept of endorsements?

sounds like he perceives a lack of discernment in the african american community

trying to find the appropriate gif ....

that ciara/diddy dirty money/jazmine sullivan all released pretty amazing albums in the final stretch really shows up the concurrent kanye love

I have a really hard time calling the Diddy album "amazing". Its way better than I expected, but still falling short of Kanye's or even being among the best of the year (full disclosure: Kanye isn't going to make my top ten either). And I'm really having a hard time hearing what you guys are hearing in that Jazmine Sullivan. I love "Holding You Down", but the other three tracks I've heard just aren't exciting me.

Anyway, what I wanted to say that I think we can blame publications with early due dates just as much as we want to blame the critics for not giving these albums love. Also, I'm far from getting any of this mainstream rap/R&B promo stuff, how are they about sending out advances?

am i imagining it when he says "let's end this charade" but pronounces it "Sade"?!

it's stronger than pride

sort of feel like whether you prefer this to kanye is about as good a 2010 litmus test as we're gonna get

I think another interesting discussion to be had about the two albums is the insular vs collaborative nature. We may have already touched on this somewhere, but too much shit to wade through to find it. I mean, both feature tons of guest stars, but Kanye's is one very singular vision while Diddy's, while the whole vibe is very focused, feels like so many different minds being thrown into it. My thoughts aren't really clear yet on which I prefer, but I find it interesting to think about.

Maybe the wrong thread for this, don't want to start a whole new one, but have you guys heard that new David Banner? The cover art alone makes it look like it might share some ideas with this Diddy thing.

it doesn't

okay, insightful

shit had no idea "change" a) wasn't on the album and b) was a terius job. love that one - no idea how it could have been left out, seems essential

alright now that i think of it it seems sort of terius in an idiosyncratic way - according to wiki, this is a tricky joint - what are some reference points for this? i'm sort of blanking

dont' say "sorry" btw

ugh apologize in advace for the following 25 terius posts u_u

"Change" is on the deluxe edition (which is better than the undeluxe edition)

"loving you no more" remix ft t-pain & gucci mane
http://hulkshare.com/mnwys2may4wy

i think i've gotten to the point where, also counting "ass on the floor" and "i know", i love basically every song that's not tagged as "ft. [somebody]" and am gradually but surely working my way into the rest

oh ok forgot about that first brown joint and also "yeah yeah you would", love those too

i keep skipping the middle part of this but that's just because i love "last night pt 2", "i know", and "change" so much and just want to get to them

who the hell decided to cut "last night pt 2" and "change" from the album proper i wanna know

chris brown's last verse on "i know" is secretly one of the best on this whole album

"change" sucks

^truth bomb

"lsat night pt 2" is great but i'm not sure it would fit into the album -- it's like "veteran" on love king or something -- i get why it was left off, the fact that it exists is enough

LSAT night

if i skip any songs on the album it's the last two

"LSAT night" is like a vampire weekend title

"i know" -> "coming home" is a great 1-2 -- also "coming home" probably has diddy's best performance on the album

btw k3v "change" reminds me of "mama"

this is actually quite cool.

i've been (mis)hearing this line in the second verse of 'yeah yeah you would' as "didn't want to be your mistress / but now i'm too proud of it" which i've loved as 2010's answer to "thought i wouldn't really give a fuck / but now a bitch all in love". was kinda bummed when i realized that's not what the lyric actually is

Sad state of the homogeneity of Young Money,but I mistook Lil Wayne for his wannabe Drake on two tracks on this until I read the label!

<3 this album btw

I like it a lot too. I am no Diddy fan and prefer the new Kanye, but sonically this sucker's all over the map, in a good way. An album for people who like sounds yo

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YOU WOULD

ok I went from liking this a lot to loving it. "Yeah Yeah You Would" and "Looking for Love" are my favs. i love the sterile nature of the latter.

shit man the last minute of "hate you now" just pops off

man, i really like this album, but "change" is just not very good. underwhelming considering the creative minds involved.

"i know" -> "coming home" is a great 1-2 -- also "coming home" probably has diddy's best performance on the album

― a snooki and a killer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:13 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"I hear 'Tears of a Clown'...I hate that song!" never ceases to crack me up

this really is a p good album huh

i ended up pnjing it btw

it really is sort of incredible

"I hear 'Tears of a Clown'...I hate that song!" never ceases to crack me up

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 12:22 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol yeah, but I actually love it because it sounds sincere instead of some of his ghostwritten stuff

the whole song is like "diddy ponders some deep thoughts"

was my #3 album

i do feel like pretty much every song on this album really does open up w/ repeated listens [...]

― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 13, 2010 5:34 PM (3 weeks ago)

this is true for me too - originally i liked the first run of songs and then a few at the end, but almost every song has some really rewarding nugget buried that you don't appreciate until you've heard it a few times - i mean the first half of "strobe lights" is pretty useless for me but then that last minute is just killer, then there's the last minute of "hate you now", which took couple of listens for me to realize how incredible that changeup really is. and those gorgeous layers of vocals on "ass on the floor", even the very end of "your love" (probably the worst song on the album), but i'm a sucker for those chipmunk vocals. the back part of the album, which is i think pretty clearly the inferior half (especially if you don't have the deluxe!!) contains i think diddy's best rapping on the record, so that picks up some of the slack.

i'd be kind of interested to see everyone's poiii from this album

def an album that really takes a few, I always liked it but it was more a 'oh gee that's nice' type feel after the first two listens, and I didn't appreciate the density until about the third or fourth listen (especially the first time played in hte car)

you are all suckers, I understood its genius before I even clicked the download link

My number two album of the year but might end up number one if I keep enjoying it so much. "ass on the floor" is about as good as music can be.

originally i liked the first run of songs and then a few at the end, but almost every song has some really rewarding nugget buried that you don't appreciate until you've heard it a few times

yeah - i really think this is a function of how frenetic the whole thing is, even when it's meditative, how many voices there are passing the narrative around and how many sonic change-ups there are beneath them - and yet the whole coheres so easily into really enjoyable club r&b.

i almost can't pick a top 3 yet because it flows so easily - maybe "yeah yeah you would", "i hate that you love me", "shades"?

agree that "change" isn't great - v.amusing to remember how terius was all like "i've done this song that's BETTER THAN UMBRELLA" a couple of years ago (jesus that's how long it's taken for this album to get off the ground)

when the handclaps or w/e come in during the chorus of 'hate that you love me'

so good

i love "change"!!

my top 3 would be "ass on the floor", "hate you now", and "yeah yeah you would". not at all set in stone

"ass on the floor" is about as good as music can be.

― Tim F, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 2:42 AM (3 hours ago)

yeah this is hands down the best song i've heard in ages

the first time you get the backing vocals "and you know just what to do" and one of the dirty money girls singing the same line with a different melody over the top is just like, guhhhhh, heroin hit right there.

top3 "ass on the floor" "strobe lights" "hello good morning" but "love come down" is maybe my favorite song from this project

damn rev stole my top 3 ;_;

'love come down' is great but I was thinking of why it didn't make the cut - it's a little too straightforward, doesn't bob & weave like the other tracks do. the beat is so utterly magnificent and the primacy is established so convincingly within the first 5 seconds that there's really nowhere else for it to go imo.

also it kinda sounds like 'diddy does neptunes'

the vibe to me is so mid-90s, maybe the vocals moreso than the production

"Your Love" not getting enough love itt

i do feel like pretty much every song on this album really does open up w/ repeated listens [...]

― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 13, 2010 5:34 PM (3 weeks ago)

this is true for me too - originally i liked the first run of songs and then a few at the end, but almost every song has some really rewarding nugget buried that you don't appreciate until you've heard it a few times - i mean the first half of "strobe lights" is pretty useless for me but then that last minute is just killer, then there's the last minute of "hate you now", which took couple of listens for me to realize how incredible that changeup really is. and those gorgeous layers of vocals on "ass on the floor", even the very end of "your love" (probably the worst song on the album), but i'm a sucker for those chipmunk vocals. the back part of the album, which is i think pretty clearly the inferior half (especially if you don't have the deluxe!!) contains i think diddy's best rapping on the record, so that picks up some of the slack.

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, January 3, 2011 9:23 PM Bookmark

It occurs to me that one of the reasons this is more successful than MBDTF is that Kanye's album stretches things out to allow all of its ideas time to bring attention to themselves, whereas on LTtP, everything is just piled on top of each other. After one listen to the Kanye, you've heard everything, whereas the enormity of Diddy's album takes many listens to understand.

And thus repeat listens to this one are much more rewarding.

I'm really annoyed that he put Chris Brown on this. I would like to pick it up, but I absolutely refuse to on the grounds that I don't want any of my time or money knowingly going to a project that involves that douche.

if you bought several albums by different artists in your life, you surely already gave money to big douches

Ashamed to say I like both the CB tracks. u_u

i wonder if T-Pain is still getting royalties off this album, considering that it's a bit less AutoTune-y and influenced by him than it probably was going to be when Diddy originally made that deal with him.

if you bought several albums by different artists in your life, you surely already gave money to big douches

not exactly the point

I am not blanket-opposed to giving money to all douches; I am specifically opposed to giving money to Chris Brown, a dude I thought was marginally talented at best (aside from "No Air") before he beat the shit out of his girlfriend and then acted mad and petulant that people were pissed at him for it.

yeah...i don't know how guest stars on albums like this make money from it, if they just get an upfront fee or if they do get some performance royalties. either way it's gotta be pretty negligible where your copy won't make much of a difference. and anyway it's never been easier to enjoy someone's music without financially benefitting them, so there's always that.

well also I am opposed to giving money to projects that contain Chris Brown as this will help business and creative people think that his name will help drive sales

this is not an "I must Make A Stand!" opinion, this is an "I would like to opt out of that part of the process" opinion.

(also you know I go out of my way NOT to pirate shit; again, personal choice)

yeah i feel you. i guess you could buy all the non-CB songs individually on iTunes? although yeah you're still supporting the tainted project in general.

ha maybe I'll just buy the singles (assuming they are Brown-free)

I placed "Ass On the Floor" on my NYE playlist and my sister goes, "Holy shit, who is this? It's awesome!"

SMOKE WEED LISTEN TO SADE

yeah I heard "Ass On The Floor" at a club this weekend and it was really mindblO_Owing, especially since they were playing crappy house mixes of Beyonce and Britney otherwise

SMOKE WEED LISTEN TO SADE

it took me a couple of listens to to figure out he said Sade.

i like "Ass On The Floor" but i have a hard time seeing it as one of the album's best tracks, maybe mainly because it's got one of Swizz's more awkward and rushed-sounding hooks

I love the synth pad under the rap though.

okay "Ass on the Floor" wins just for using the "Pon De Floor" beat

(or more properly cadence, since it isn't EXACTLY the same beat)

i like "Ass On The Floor" but i have a hard time seeing it as one of the album's best tracks, maybe mainly because it's got one of Swizz's more awkward and rushed-sounding hooks

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:18 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is crazytown

i love "ass on the floor" but it's definitely not "OMG HIGHLIGHT" for me - it has some of the best moments on the album (the electrik red-esque verses pivoting around the word "motherfucker", the insane post-diddy breakdown) but could definitely do without swizz's vocals on it.

totally feel dan re: chris brown's presence - ditto on the keri hilson album - luckily for me i'm not giving money to either project (though i've already given both positive publicity, i guess), and in both cases the brown track is by far the worst and so skippable that i need never actually think about it. but yeah it's the principle of the thing, bringing him back into the fold.

swizz hook on 'ass on teh floor' is awesome i dont get the criticism feels arbitrary

this is shipley.

i don't get the anti-chris brown activism

Some people do not like encouraging unrepentant woman beaters; there's not really all that much to get.

rap music is full of unrepentant criminals... i'd buy a chris brown album or an ike turner album, even a burzum album if i liked the music...

And I wouldn't.

Hooray, we both win! Isn't modern society great?

being logical is even greater

How is individually deciding not to knowingly contribute money that may directly or indirectly provide some sort of support to a figure who you do not feel deserves it? Dan chooses not to, you do, nobody is criticizing you for it, get over it

really, the fact that Brown is a bleating earsore 90% of the time just makes my decision that much easier

ok i stop trolling

"ass on the floor" is OMG level to me (i like the swizz corus), but there's a few better songs

the first time you get the backing vocals "and you know just what to do" and one of the dirty money girls singing the same line with a different melody over the top is just like, guhhhhh, heroin hit right there.

― Tim F, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 6:13 AM (10 hours ago)

yes, this absolutely

i love that second vocal track on the chorus ("and weeeee will neeeever lose....") - perfectly captures that hand-in-hand, disoriented, drunken weaving through the crowd right when you're stepping onto the dancefloor

― k3vin k., Monday, December 20, 2010 5:24 PM (2 weeks ago)

"Your Love" not getting enough love itt

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:12 AM (8 hours ago)

lol dude this is the worst song on the album, come on

I'm really annoyed that he put Chris Brown on this. I would like to pick it up, but I absolutely refuse to on the grounds that I don't want any of my time or money knowingly going to a project that involves that douche.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:31 AM (4 hours ago)

haha i love both CB tracks, despite my best intentions. his verse on "i know" really gets to me for some reason

this sort of reminds me of the old terius jackoff seshes where we all loved the albums but had these great/inane arguments about what the best parts of them were. love it

nah i love "your love" - the dirty money girls are great on that. weak link is "yesterday" by faaaar and not just cuz it's c.brown

xps

yeah "yesterday" kind of disrupts the flow of the album, though it isn't a bad song in and of itself

top 3 is prob "hate you now," "i hate that I luv you" and "looking 4 love"

and I wasn't really feeling "angels" when it first dropped way back but in the context of the album it is a killer. especially coming after "shades," when those minimal synths creep in... great moment

they also changed the angels beat up

yeah, those synths weren't on the single version, right?

yeah the original was just like a straight up version of the 'where im from' instrumental

as far as production goes i think danja came hardest on this

i bought this album

chris has been reprehensible obv but as someone who was a huge fan of a lot of his singles pre-incident, i think pretty much everything he's put out since then has been straight crap objectively -- "yesterday" & "i know" are great tho so it breaks down my defenses a bit

The only tracks of his I unequivocally liked were "Run It" and "No Air", so it's been pretty easy to write him off TBH. (I thought I liked "Yo (Excuse Me Miss)" but listening to it on Youtube right now is the worst musical experience I've had in 2011, trebly annoying motherfucker get out of my headphones)

i loved 'kiss kiss' but that was almost all tpain

the original "Angels" just had "Where I'm From" beat + Biggie vox, the remix always had new synths + Ross

my favs are "ass on the floor" (duh), "looking for love" (single please) & "shades" -- the first and the last have my fav lines on the album too & both are about hearts -- "trying to find my way back to your heart, you motherfucker" & "i'll pour gasoline on my heart just to light your cigarette"

i have the rmx slotted in this album in my itunes

swizz hook on 'ass on teh floor' is awesome i dont get the criticism feels arbitrary

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:12 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is shipley.

― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:19 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"oh that guy that cares about rhythms and cadences and choruses that flow with a nice internal logic -- how silly and arbitrary!"

i mean obviously even the Swizz choruses that are good have a kind of sloppy stupid fun to them, but i think "Ass On The Floor" and some of his other recent hooks ("So Appalled," "Gucci Time," "Start It Up") are kind of annoying and just don't add anything to the song

"Your Love" not getting enough love itt

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:12 AM (8 hours ago)

lol dude this is the worst song on the album, come on

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"AAAAA-AAAAAHHHH WHATCHA GONNA DO" is for me one of the big euphoric moments of the album

I dunno, I think *VROOM VROOM* is pretty integral to "Start It Up"'s awesomeness, just saying

the secret to "Angels" is it sounds like "Desert Rose", which is a dope thing to sound like imo

his hook on 'ass' is a huge part of why that song is awesome

the divide there i guess is the idea that "Start It Up" has any awesomeness (xpost)

yes. xp

It was tough for me to ignore Chris's music at first because I really liked Exclusive, but it was easy to develop an aversion to his music by drinking rubbing alcohol and letting my roommate punch me in the stomach repeatedly while I played his discs back to back

i just think he sounds rushed and out of breath going "whenyouintheclubgetyourassonthefloor" -- like he might've made it sound dope if it was more at a "Bring Em Out" tempo or something but as is it just doesn't sound hot to me

I disagree with that so much that words fail me.

I mean, rushed yes, because he is saying 10 words practically all at once rapid-fire style and as such is going to sound "rushed", but where the hell are you getting "out of breath" from?

the rushedness just reads as excited and hence exciting to me. enthusiasm, infectious.

the snl performance of "ass on the floor" was hilarious because swizz is used (rather tastefully!) on the song as a backing presence as opposed to a more uhhh oppressive presence like on some other recent songs, but he mugged so shamelessly for the camera like he had never been on tv before, which maybe he hasn't idk

the thing that i think is great about "ass on the floor" is that -- either intentionally or not -- it's sort of a meta take on a dance floor song -- like you have swizz beats saying "when you in the club get your ass on the floor" in a way that almost sounds like a dj is just dropping his vocals over another song -- likewise you have the "pon de floor" sample as if a dj is mixing songs

i dunno out of breath i guess not the right words. but it doesn't have the relaxed flow that i feel a great Swizz Beatz refrain like, say, "Swing Ya Rag," has.

i think j0rdan is otm that it almost sounds like a DJ blending vocals from a different song over the beat, which is exactly what i dislike about it.

& i like that it's a song about how love & dancing & relationships interact on the dancefloor -- i feel like it's a much more classicist & old school take on dance music as opposed to a lot of the max & luke stuff that's all over the radio

i think j0rdan is otm that it almost sounds like a DJ blending vocals from a different song over the beat, which is exactly what i dislike about it.

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:52 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

opposite day

because i have to love the chorus of that song? because everyone has to?

i mean i'm trying not to Gier it up like "this song is a bad song because it is not melodic," i'm trying to explain myself

is it time to poll this one?

sure. whoever does it should make sure they include all the bonus tracks and stuff from the deluxe version though

poll the album? or poll this specific argument

I think of "ass on the floor" as being a relationship psycho-drama set at a club, swizz's vocal loop is like the sudden reminder of where you are even while you're staring at this dude and thinking "I love you you motherfucker". It's like a show don't tell version of a Robyn song.

(before you vom I'm not saying the song is good because it's like Robyn)

a relationship psycho-drama set at a club

i like the way the whole album's a relationship psychodrama that plays out as its protagonists jetset from one backdrop to another - the most obvious club moments, "ass on the floor" and "hello good morning", are a bit like glitzy celeb PAs

mjb sounding more alive than she has in years on the "someone to love me" remix btw http://www.thefader.com/2011/01/04/mary-j-blige-f-lil-wayne-and-diddy-someone-to-love-me-mjb-naked-mix-mp3/

i think j0rdan is otm that it almost sounds like a DJ blending vocals from a different song over the beat, which is exactly what i dislike about it.

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:52 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

opposite day

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej),

Seconded, and because I agree with deej.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc0mok-QWxs

has everyone seen this !!!

the relationship/between diddy and dirty money, on record and in person, is really interesting to me. i love how they're super-polished and professional and he's just capering around like a big kid.

i really wish my mp3 of my interview with them, as well as the notes from it that didn't make the published piece, hadn't been lost in that fucking hard drive crash last year.

Are they doing the electric slide or

i know right!

the relationship/between diddy and dirty money, on record and in person, is really interesting to me. i love how they're super-polished and professional and he's just capering around like a big kid.

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 5, 2011 4:31 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kind of reminds me of the way some female pop stars the last few years (Gwen Stefani, Fergie, etc.) tend to have like a 2 or 3-girl posse that are just kind of anonymous and voiceless, always posing or dancing behind them, except Dirty Money sing and do a lot of the vocal/emotive heavy lifting on the song

The tension b/w the two approaches is what makes "Ass on the Floor" the keeper.

the keeper? as if it's the only keeper?

for the sake of the poll, that is.

tbf the dirty mone girls are wearing like 6" stilettos

i think the first six proper tracks are an incredible run - there's so much packed in there, so many ideas, and i love the way all the voices crowd in, no one voice really being allowed to wrest control of a song

This is a flaw for me. This album isn't actually as all over the map as is being made out, I dunno, I found the whole thing kinda boring? Like whatever the reference points it's all filtered through the same glossy production aesthetic that makes it sonically kind of... anonymous? Which is weird for someone with such a larger-than-life persona.

The Grace Jones track is another example, what is the point of getting Grace Jones on a song if you're only going to make her sound like some jobbing rnb diva? Other than to go "look! It's Grace Jones! This means crazy all-over-the-place club music!"

Also I get the introspective side of Ass On The Floor but does it have to be so limp? It's let down by the sort of soggy rnb chorus that ruined the Nicki Minaj album. It's not like it's hard to put divas over dance music, but that song feels like a waste of the Pon De Floor snare for me.

Kinda wish he'd gone further down the house path on I Hate That You Love Me and Strobe Lights - by miles the two best songs, although both could do without the drippy bridges.

I don't think the nicki album is a good
point of comparison - the production moves out of the way for nicki, whereas this album is much more layered and demands to be considered holistically

Like whatever the reference points it's all filtered through the same glossy production aesthetic that makes it sonically kind of... anonymous? Which is weird for someone with such a larger-than-life persona.

weird, I kind of see this as a plus - like the whole album evokes this sort of blown-out, claustrophobic feel, where you're partying way past the point where it's fun & instead it's out of a sense of duty, or not knowing what else there is to do in life. I don't really see this as a straight 'club' album - it's an ambitious headphones album, surely. there's too many things going on at the same time and the album sort of lives in the raw wild interstices of the production.

Yeah it feels like there's so many elements to each song but for every one I like (and there are a fair few) there's one I don't. I like bits of Ass On The Floor (the vocal loop, the snare obviously) but find the whole thing weirdly offputting.

The "club" aspects of the album are heavily overstated IMO.

As in "overstated in everything I read about this album", not overstated in the music itself.

naturally i'm late saying this but there is some fantastic music on this album

lol just reading the liners now and they credited lil wayne as "wayne carter"

there's also a bunch of random as hell & hilariously named publishing companies listed for some of these songs/songwriters

incl

My Diet Starts Tomorrow, Inc
U Can't Teach Bein the Shhh
Tailored 4U Music

The "club" aspects of the album are heavily overstated IMO.

― Tim F, Thursday, January 6, 2011 12:22 PM (Yesterday)

Absolutely-- that being said, second half of this >>>>>> first half ("Yesterday" is solid considering that piece of shit Breezy is on it)

i finally got Press Play. this is really really fun.

http://www.factmag.com/2011/01/14/diddy-dirty-money-last-train-to-paris/

"Hopefully this is the record where he will get the credit he really deserves, but then everyone’s too hung up on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy aren’t they? Here’s a dark fantasy that comes blissfully hype-free."

"Your Love" not getting enough love itt

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:12 AM (8 hours ago)

lol dude this is the worst song on the album, come on

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"AAAAA-AAAAAHHHH WHATCHA GONNA DO" is for me one of the big euphoric moments of the album

― washa flocka brain (some dude), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 5:41 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol nobody called me out on "Your Love" and "Shades" totally blending into one long song in my brain

lol i listened to the song after you posted that and was like "what is he talking about" and decided to let it go