are disco edits the new electroclash?

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mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Sunday, 11 June 2006 08:31 (fifteen years ago) link

what do you mean by disco edits...like danny krivit?

molly (bulbs), Sunday, 11 June 2006 09:01 (fifteen years ago) link

haha

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 11 June 2006 09:02 (fifteen years ago) link

The problem is that most modern disco edits (and there are thousands of the fuckers at the minute aren't there) aren't like Danny Krivit but instead just loop the beginning a bit more to make it easy to mix into and chop out any undanceable bits from the middle, which considering how much easier they are to do now compared to Danny's day is a joke.

It seems to be about a third a degree away from bootlegging at this point.

(Also, welcome Mike!)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 11 June 2006 11:04 (fifteen years ago) link

yes.. they should stop..
maybe they could make their own track and then edit it..

speculator (speculator), Sunday, 11 June 2006 11:29 (fifteen years ago) link

lazy edits like raw patrick says = why bother?

edits that bring something new to the table (betty botox, editions disco, krivit edit of 'trans europe express' I just got that pretty much turns it into basic channel) = now we're talking.

might be onto something w/ the electroclash comparison, insofar as it's a bit of a personality-driven thing. even the ones where pseudonyms are involved since everyone knows who they are anyway (you don't hear anyone going "oh, I wonder who this TANGOTERJE character is").

guns to deal with vodka (haitch), Sunday, 11 June 2006 11:45 (fifteen years ago) link

The Betty Botox re-edits are my fave current ones. Maybe she'll show up to give her views.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link

the next big thing? Bits-n-pieces style compilations of the latest dancefloor hits! Only the best part of the latest records spliced together, 20 songs per side, all wheat, no chaffe. Lots of machine-gun edits.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I first started doing edits by splicing tape together but I was rubbish at it and it took forever. The Masters of the edit block are my heroes and inspiration, particularly Chep Nunez and the Latin Rascals who just by cutting tape in the early 80's are still so far beyond what anyone today is doing with computers. That is REAL editing.

Then there is the Krivit school of editing which is more about making a track work better for you when you dj. in the early 90's I started using a hardware sampler to do edits, specifically aimed at the audience I dj to. This was much easier than cutting tape but would still take a couple of solid days work to do each edit as it meant sampling one or two bars at a time and then cutting and pasting. The memory of the sampler was very limited and the on board cutting and pasting was very slow and tedious.

Around 2000 I got a computer and this changed everything. What had previously taken days took hours and it was now possible to get tracks that had previously been wildly out of time to stay rigidly in time so that they could be mixed. About 50% of my dj set is things I have re edited. It was really important to me as a dj to have lots of exclusive edits that no other dj had and I had no intention of making them available beyond that.

After a LOT of persuasion I was talked into doing an EP of edits and then the two subsequent albums and was pleasantly surprised at the reaction.

I completely agree that the disco edit thing has gone crazy. Firstly they are in vogue so everyone wants to have a go and secondly, today's technology makes it (too?) easy to do. So, there are endless, often pointless, often rubbish edits flooding the shops. I'm sure they will go out of fashion again.

But, the edit has always been a vital part of dance culture and hopefully there will always be a place for the more creative and imaginative ones. I have several hundred unreleased edits and I intend to keep most of them unreleased as, as I said earlier, I like having versions that no one else has. I'm not sure if there will be any more Betty Botox releases but it has definitely been fun getting them out there. Learning how to edit is an important production skill to have and I think it has definitely helped when I do my own productions or actual remixes.

At the end of the day though, when I listen to something Chep Nunez did 25 years ago, I really feel like a bit of a fraud. Maybe I should dig out my reel to reel again and get real?

Betty Botox (Betty Botox), Sunday, 11 June 2006 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link

From doing theater cue tape splicing versus computer editing, I can say definitively: Fuck the reel to reel. I had to spend six hours creating an arrangment out of four different cricket noises that the director wanted to cover about five minutes worth of stage time (and I still hate him for it).

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Interesting post Betty, thank you

DougD (DougD), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF217489-01-01-01.mp3

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link

this is the bad boy, though:

http://www.discogs.com/release/133043

Mantronik, Chep Nunez and Omar Santana go to town.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link

The weird thing about the new re-edit blitz is that most of them could be done in five minutes in Soundforge by whoever is buying them and then they could save spending eight quid plus on a twelve inch that has had basically no recording costs. (I suppose then they'd have to play them off a CD or a laptop but the original re-edit kids played them off reel to reels not vinyl.)

I think a lot of people don't realise how easy the audio editing software is (it's just cutting and copying and pasting like Word.) The hard bit is being creative!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

What are some good examples of recent disco edits, though? That is, lengthening out the dance breaks and intro and not reworking other bits of the song.

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

"the basement" by etta james done by theo parrish

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

this thread has a major "so what" factor.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

name ONE dance genre that ISN'T congested w/ uncreative quickie fakin the funk productions 6 months after the third compilation comes out

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

broken beat.

cause no one makes it anyway (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

love the parrish ones, love love love the betty botox ones, 'new electroclash' provokes aargh - like when folx were comparing 'what you know about that' to fucking cocteau twins or whatever on that one thread: you found the precise way to dampen my enthusiasm! one thing i'm curious about - do ppl actually dance to minnie riperton's 'les fleur'??? by dance i mean not hippie twirling or 'interpretive'.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

flying squad's edit of boney m's 'nite flite to venus' is my current fave.

there are definitely more edits than there used to be but i don't think there's been a deluge of them, at least not in the shops i buy from.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

someone compare IP addresses pls

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Sunday, 11 June 2006 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

broken beat.
-- cause no one makes it anyway (wt...), June 11th, 2006 1:35 PM. (dubplatestyle) (later)

jess have you heard this? or this??

the first i didn't buy because i don't trust people with names like "mark de clive-lowe" (i know, so very stelfox/hunta-d of me) and the 2nd because i don't trust philly ;-)

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link

but i could get both cheap so please advise.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link

good god, the cover on that legends of the underground thing is hid-freakin-ious.

anyway, i would get that one if you're gonna pay no more than, like, 7 bucks. seiji is usually a good sign; domu i've had intermittent luck with, though he's a seriously hot drums guy when he's on. i also don't trust people with names like mark de clive-lowe.

the presence of "talking drum and stroke percussion" leads me to believe you should ignore the other one. the problem with this shit is that these guys have such variably taste and quality issues that it's impossible to know without hearing. there could be some sick shit on that, but i doubt it.

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

i think i'll hold out and keep looking for the seiji remixes comp. that was GREAT, right?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

just not so sure of unneeded edits...I haven't heard the new version, but what exactly was wrong with Gaz Nevada's IC Love Affair?!?!? That song is PERFECT. What did they do to it?

One way I see it is a lot of DJs are using it as a way to get into production, maybe practice their chops. It's not always so easy, depending on the track, and it's definately more a question of the choices made.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

ts: faith evans 'love like this' vs. ugly edit 7

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link

'legends of the underground' is the prog of broken beat -- VERY jazzy/noodly with moments of brilliance which are too few. it's the soundtrack to an amsterdam dance troupe's performance, so not inherently club-dancefloor based. it's meant to be a journey, maaaaan.

'black to the future' has its jams (agent k, charlie dark, capitol a) but has too much filler. ditto on the philly distrust.

stick with the bugz fabric, seiji remixes, and the agent k album 'feed the cat' (total brilliance). and domu is 80% quality jams, 20% throwaways, but when he's on, HE'S ON.

something less threatening (heywood), Monday, 12 June 2006 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yeah, the agent k album is tops. also alex attias and dego selector series discs on goya. oh, and the seiji "demos"/"unreleased cd-r" thing that's floating around slsk if you can find it.

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

also scattered snares (!!!) (can't emphasize this one enuff)

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

my beef is that there are plenty of good tracks out there, so why bother editing 30 seconds of a mediocre song when you can play an entire good one? true, it is bordering on bootlegging. looping the drum break isnt really "editing" per se. sure Carl Craigs 'Ugly Edits' are great, but arent those bootlegs? i think Ben Manzone told me those edits were never meant for release and they were made for his own personal use,and they leaked somehow. i agree with Betty Botox. spinning edits you made yourself is a different thing than essentially bootlegging someones record. its cool when i hear an edit someone made themselves, not for commercial use. doesnt Harvey bust out the reel to reel?
not to mention the edits are selling for upwards of $20 in stores for a record with no artwork or packaging. where is all the money going?

mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Ugly Edits are Theo Parrish mostly, right? I know Carl Craig's Once in a Lifetime edit saw release. Where does the money go? To the editor, of course. Or more likely, the "label" who put it out for the editor. If an edit really makes the track easier to work with, I say great, and if it's totally drastically different and fun, great, but many are not. I've already complained about some of the Ballroom edits/boots on here.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

So are those quiet village project records re-edits then (as I think you said on another thread, Dan). 'Cos they're great. And what are the originals anyway?

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think I said so, but someone else did. I haven't really heard any of them except one or two that were floating around the web.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I sure wish I could get Theo P's Ugly Edits for less than the $17 or $18 they sell for on Forced Exposure or Turntable Lab. I've really wanted to hear those, but can't pay that price for a 12" with two edits on it. I second stirmonster's recommendation of the Flying Squad edits, though. Both sides are grand.

matt2 (matt2), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

flying squad's edit of boney m's 'nite flite to venus' is my current fave.

this is pretty decent, I picked it up last week. Word is that Tim Sweeny is behind this one.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.igetrvng.com/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Pillow Talk by Quiet Village is an edit of What Goes Up by Alan Parsons. I'm pretty sure that the begining part is actually from Voyager, which is the track before What on the album Pyramid.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

are you gay are you?

Breean Weldrick (weldrick), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I would have thought that that was a pretty ungay post, really. More 'sad old batchelor'.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

well anyway it's old news to have beefs with disco edits, because disco edits are just a subset of the larger BEARDO DISCO phenomenon.

and as we've discussed elsewhere, BEARDO DISCO is not merely the new electroclash, it is actually the new TRIP HOP.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link

It's the new punk.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link

balogna.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 12 June 2006 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

it's pretty much the new trip hop BECAUSE

1) pastiche factor = "hey look, the best moments of old school rap, WITHOUT THE RAP"

2) uneasy hipsters = "hey, couldn't i just be spinning alice coltrane records instead of major force west??"

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link

cue james murphy sputtering over early goldsworthy UNKLE productions: "what is this shit?? i have RARE SILVER APPLES ON VINYL!!!"

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

anyway beardo disco is dead, the new shit is mid-70s blue note / columbia / CTI / perception etc.

ronnie laws + kirk degiorgio, yizzeard??

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

4 hero ft grover washington jr - "just the two of us" (junglist version excursion remix)

check for it

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Err, all that has been done before, surely?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link

anyway beardo disco is dead, the new shit is mid-70s blue note / columbia / CTI / perception etc.
ronnie laws + kirk degiorgio, yizzeard??

why not start a new thread! (and leave this one alone?)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

no, i am just kidding, the main thing i am trying to get across is that the confusion you feel is OK, it's natural, other people dealt with it before you did and they got through it OK, people like the freestylers and bentley rhythm ace.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

someone listing similarities between beardo disco and trip-hop and coming up with antipathy/similarity to old school hip-hop but not coming up with pot pot pot supposedtosmokemarijuana leaves me wondering if they're familiar with the majority of the elements they're talking about or the one they ain't.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i like "beardo" BTW, whatever it is... all those dudes are into playing all types of music, not just trainspotter disco tracks- hence the Im A Man edit Eric did. and that guy has a BEARD!

mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

vahid-I have no idea what you're talking about.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

ok anyway the drugs thing is just another similarity b/w the old eclectic trip hop and the new school.

i am serious, the difference in method between the glimmer twins and, say, jon carter or freddy fresh or krafty kuts is a couple of years and a couple of cred pts

xpost it's ok dan i'm thinking out loud and i still like your dj mixes a lot!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

purposeful obtuseness

xxpost

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

i think this shit is all i care about in dance music anymore

unless some hipsters wanna go ahead and renovate happy hardcore for me. k thnx bye.

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

oh wait that eye 12"

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link

But Vahid, can you hear the difference between, say, Bentley Rhythm Ace and Quiet Village? There is a difference in style and quality that seems fairly apparent to me.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i am a structuralist of the old school

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link

;-)

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link

10-4

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

the carl craig edits are on a label out of amsterdam called moxie. i think he is responsible for most of the releases on that label. i have the one with the talking heads edit and the one with the chic edit and they are ok.

did/do people actually dance to trip hop cause beardo disco seems more amenable to dancing crushing the analogy in the process (as structurally correct as it may be)

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

people did--and do--dance to trip hop. (i think vahid is slightly blurring the line between trip-hop and the slightly less manic/smiley face side of big beat, however.)

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

fair enough.

anyone know if there are there any reel to reel edits sets floating around the internerd?

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:07 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.richcolour.com/mastermix/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

actually, start here:

http://www.richcolour.com/mastermix/vol1/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

and see:

http://members.home.nl/discopatrick/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link

thank you dan!

does anyone remember the scene from new order's "confusion" video where arthur baker and band bring the reel-to-reel spool to the club? where are the modern freestyle edits?

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

oh man that site is so sweet

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

The club was the Funhouse, but you also see the ramp up to the Paradise Garage. Best video ever?

If you get off the internet, a lot of the best of these edits/boots (i mean the old ones) are really easy to find, still being pressed, and kinda fun to collect. You can get the Big Apple Productions releases, like volume 2, the Latin Rascals one, at stores all over NYC.

I discovered some hot hi-nrg tracks from a vinyl mix called Aerobic Speedballer Mix.

http://members.home.nl/discopatrick/jdc.htm

don't pay more then like, a buck for these of course.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

people did--and do--dance to trip hop. (i think vahid is slightly blurring the line between trip-hop and the slightly less manic/smiley face side of big beat, however.)
-- applejack carney (wt...), June 12th, 2006 7:01 PM. (dubplatestyle) (later)

yeah i DO mean big beat! but believe it or not i spent 20 minutes this morning trying to remember what it was called ... then i was like "fuck it, i'll call it trip hop". srsly though, you could make the same case about "trip hop" re: delia + gavin.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:29 (fifteen years ago) link

9 MINUTES OF NON-STOP ENERGY

xpost

jäxøñ (jaxon), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:29 (fifteen years ago) link

HI I READ MUZIK IN 1996 TOO

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

ok, no i didnt

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

the question being: who will take beardo disco mega mainstream ala fatboy/chems? are we still in the "amyl house" days?

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

definitely in contention for best video ever. it's the one i always go back to on the dvd comp.

i like some hi-nrg, but i think what i really like is the slower bpm stuff.

so there should be a beardo cover of "i wonder if i take you home". who should make it? or maybe it's one classic that should be left alone.

i am listening to big apple prod vol 2 now. (after checking out the nutso sigue sigue sputnik mix from the first link which oddly reminded me of the villalobos track on superlongevity 4)

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

that what a split second xpost with strongo.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link

oh wow, the kiss fm cut and splice mix is great!

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

does anyone remember the scene from new order's "confusion" video where arthur baker and band bring the reel-to-reel spool to the club?

fac 93 people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2xxuibDrhc&search=new%20order%20confusion

wonder if thats joe's pizza in the beginning

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

I assume everyone here is familiar with bumrocks.com

Maybe the edits are getting a little pervasive but anything that exposes me to music like I Love You More (Mr K Inst.) - Rene & Angela can be called prog rock for all I care.

I really found vahid's trip hop rant up above amusing considering the amount of space he has spent defending mowax but what the hell.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link

huh?

but i'm DEFENDING big beat here!

big beat ... is cool ... for the same reasons ... that beardo disco is cool!!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:00 (fifteen years ago) link

See that is where I think you lost a few people on the thread cause i knew you liked beardo but it seemed as if you were hating on big beat/trip hop. Which actively confused me and apparently Dan as well. Carry on then, and check out bumrocks.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link

bumrocks will be djing this weeks Dazzle Ships, with Doug Lee (Lee Douglas), Jeremy Campbell and myself. I go on first because I'm leaving early so I can come home and pack and move.

http://www.tropicalcomputersystem.com/

Vahid's analogy comes from the beardo thread, equating beardo's mixture of classic rock and disco with big beat's mixture of rock and club music. I haven't been able to put into words why I think it's irrelevant, other then a "there's a difference and I know it when I hear it" as mentioned above.

It may have something to do with Big Beat's whole uk sampledelic sources, where it's like, the Beatles + Coldcut = Chemical Fatboy whatever, whereas beardo is more about the sound of classic rockers playing disco, whether it's the Doors Peace Frog and The Wasp, Chicago's I'm a Man, The Rolling Stones Undercover of the Night era etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I need to do my research better before I mouth off then, apologies to you Vahid.

Lee Douglas! Nice. I love his track and the one edit I have of his.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link

That nice looks cool Dan. It appears way laid back and dig the easy access to tacos.

What is the girl to boy ratio at one of those nights? Is it mainly guys scratching their chins and checking out the jams or is it pure disco fever?

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I like going there and scratching my chin while talking to girls.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link

are disco edits really that different from say unofficial remixes?

I mean, they seem to flow in at a fairly steady rate and the ones done by prydzstyleremixer/discoman@hotmail.com are almost always shit

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

the neighborhood food choices to bring into the bar are grebt, but the real selling point is 2 for 1 drinks until 9 or 10 or so ($2.50 pints).

but yeah, its all about the girls and the beard scratching.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link

girl boy ratio? 1:1.

that means that one boy shows up, and one girl. That's it. 2 people. Can't beat that ratio.

Are you really looking to early evening record listening parties to score?

You're better off with Heather's on thursday nights. The skirt there is unbeatable.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

and I don't mean skirt-steak tacos.


I don't like the direction this thread is going.

I'm showing up at 8 and leaving early, and have no time to pick out records, so it'll be a suprise for you as well as me. Don't let Mike be the only person to show up before 10 pm!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link

skirt!

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

a couple of the ripest tomatoes in town just walked in, boys

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"skirt-steak tacos" = pink taco

Hey I did my best not to make this connection. I can't help it if I am mexican and love tacos.

1:1 ratio boys to girls is pretty good. I mainly asked cause I wondered if it was a dancing crowd as opposed to a record spotting crowd. Do you ever drop in housey cross over tunes in your sets Dan or Yaz? What is the cut off date for disco in your mind?

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

No, no and no.

It's not a disco party.

It's not a dance party.

Dancing is not allowed.

Jeremy and I DJ dance parties all the time.

This is our chance to play Thomas Leer and Camberwell Now and Robert Wyatt and Clive Stevens and Group XEX....to a small group of friends and likeminded individuals. See the beardo thread, there's more talk about Dazzle Ships there.


As far as my dance sets are concerned, there are no cut-off dates and there's no need to drop crossover tunes. I play all kinds of hits all the time anyway.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Funny topic. I stumbled upon it looking for some info about some record... vague, but true.

I'll have to agree that the market is flooded with mediocre edits that serve no real purpose and that listeners as a whole would be better served with plain ol' boots of rare tracks.

A couple of comments tho'.

I've heard of Betty B's edits, but haven't heard 'em.

My understanding is that Theo's edits are old edits off reel that he pressed up a few times but has now flooded the market so much that there are no new ones. Funny how he got pissed when they got booted 'cause they were pressed in such small quantities and at such high prices.

The A side of the Slying Squad record is real nice.

Suprised that no one mentioned the Underdog Edit series which re-introduce very obscure releases, nicely re-edited to re-express the material, nicely mastered.

New edit series that I'm privy to is called Members Only, which is super-raw, Chicago-style. The first one is sort of a re-creation of an old Sneak edit of a Trammps track. There are more in the works, #2 smokes.

Has anyone heard of some guys who faithfully re-created Ron Hardy edits that they heard on live mixes?

Phillip Hertz (factcheckr), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

you mean the Music Box bootlegs?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Or are those just tracks "heard at" the music box?

I know Hardy's nephew or something was selling some vinyl of Hardy edits.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

doh

once again sorry for sowing confusion the beardo thread is answering so many questions I have been having recently.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link

the beardo thread is mostly propaganda funded by the anti big beat lobby.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link

I think big beat was it's own anti-big beat lobby.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

first against the wall, mr selzer

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd be assuming that the big beat/trip hop comparison is about the cultural significance of the two scenes and NOT about their sonic similarities.

This comparison is dumb because of the huge disparity between the two scenes in the time-lag between the source material and its recontextualisation.

People hate on Big Beat because its seen as recontextualisation of black american music as dance music for white people. At the time it happened the source material was hip hop from about 10-15 years earlier therefore it could be seen as gutting a still-vital music genre of its controversial, violent and middle-class baiting aspects.

Beardo-disco is recontextualisation of 30-year old dance music of varying ethnic and geographical origin for white hipsters. Disco as a scene does not exist today in the way that hip hop did in the mid 90s, and furthermore, disco as a scene has already been made 'safe' in 2006 by endless cycles of revivalism and recycling so beardo disco can hardly be making it safe for white people.

Additionally given that big beat was a UK-driven thing, and the beardo thing is pretty much international its not even like you can claim its the same sort of people doing it!

If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Beardo-disco is recontextualisation of 30-year old dance music of varying ethnic and geographical origin for white hipsters. Disco as a scene does not exist today in the way that hip hop did in the mid 90s, and furthermore, disco as a scene has already been made 'safe' in 2006 by endless cycles of revivalism and recycling so beardo disco can hardly be making it safe for white people.

----yikes! i thought the beardos were just Mancuso worshipers? i must be totally in the dark.

mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link

my simplification...Beardos are Mancuso worshipers....raised on techno and classic rock. Amidst all the yacht rock and balaeric impulses of the beardos, is a definate punk edge, slamming beats, distorted guitars etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link

its not even like you can claim its the same sort of people doing it!

uh ... sure you can! weatherall, chicken lips, harvey, idjuts, lindstrom + prins thomas all dabbled in big beat.

If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz

i don't think it's a big jump from acid jazz / rare groove to big beat, do you?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link

haha. maybe not.

but the audience for the latter was certainly more male than the audience for the former, at least in UK.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

When did Harvey make big beat? I just remember lots of 16 minute trippy garage tracks.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Also: mid-90s deep house was all made by Mancuso-worshippers but sounds totally different so SOMETHING certainly happened.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

somewhere in Greenpoint in 2007:

"Listen to this. 303 + 808 + Karen Finley. They're called S'Express. Is this the shit or what?"

I'll finally be able to make a fortune on eBay.

(re: Chip Nunez et al.. remember the remix they did of Skinny Puppy's "Stairs And Flowers"? Alien Sex Fiend's "Haunted House" (which was basically a disco dance medley of many song off Another Planet)? Remember the second version of Colourbox's "Breakdown", with all the crazy edit action? "Faggot shit" said the fans of Violent Femmes, Camper Van Beethoven, and Carnival Art... ok, not all of them.)

aDOring NUTbians (donut), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I live in South Africa and there was a scene here in the nineties that consisted of basically playing deep house at like minus 8. It seems to tie in with Cosmic and Beardo. I think Beardo has emormous appeal for all people not just white hipsters. I have a friend who is a young black DJ who was blissing out to Live Dead the other day.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

ah so beardo = white hipster music made 'safe' for black people

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Hah.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"Listen to this. 303 + 808 + Karen Finley. They're called S'Express. Is this the shit or what?"

don't forget T.Z.'s "I've Got the Hots for You".

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

somewhere in Greenpoint in 2007:
"Listen to this. 303 + 808 + Karen Finley. They're called S'Express. Is this the shit or what?"

OH
MY
GOD

I did something like this on the radio once. We played the Luomo's remix of Smiling Off with Finley's "I'm An Ass Man" drifting in and out. Started playing her just because it was late enough that we could but it sounded really great next to all those moans in the song.

great meaning gross

lf (lfam), Thursday, 15 June 2006 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link

the bootleggers already beat you to it.

i listened to one of those "Larry" bootlegs today. a side was some Paradise Garage classic while the b side was 3 Karen Finley monologues, one being Ass Man.

i assume they are made for mixing, as thye dont stand much on their own.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I live in South Africa and there was a scene here in the nineties that consisted of basically playing deep house at like minus 8. It seems to tie in with Cosmic and Beardo. I think Beardo has emormous appeal for all people not just white hipsters. I have a friend who is a young black DJ who was blissing out to Live Dead the other day.


---i have been doing that a lot lately. i like pitching down disco and house really slow. i dont have a beard though. (but my hair is kinda long)

mike simonetti (mike simonetti), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Mike, is this thread about the recent over-the-top enthusiasm about Todd Tejre, Rung Records, et al? And by recent, that means I just recently caught wind of it. I still can't figure out what's so mind-blowing though.

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

it's Rong Records (sorry, i hate pedants too) and this is only half the thread. the other half is here BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know much about the edits because i usually don't buy new vinyl, but Ugly Edits 8 (Willie Hutch "Slick") is so fucking good. and it's not even the song in the title.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, Rong. I be typin it (w)rong.

Map of Africa actually covered a song, no? Not just put the original song in some cool edit type software looping the bridge and attaching it to the intro while taking credit as an artist. Or at least that's what's been described to me by some of this "new exciting thing".

Again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about here. I'm asking if that's what Mike is saying because Mike and I share friends who have been ranting lately. I'm wondering if they've been ranting the same things to him.

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Map Of Africa "Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys" is a cover of the Equals

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Exactly what I'm saying...

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:54 (fifteen years ago) link

there was a scene here in the nineties that consisted of basically playing deep house at like minus 8

uh, hello ben cook / dj spun / idjut boys / rong music etc

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I think MIke's just talking about how everyone's doing disco edits.

Terje, Rong etc, are producing new stuff, and some pretty good new stuff.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

isn't south african house at minus 8 called Kwaito?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

i've also been pitching stuff way down in mixes lately. weird. and just as the tempos of minimal tracks are starting to increase again...

breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:18 (fifteen years ago) link

isn't south african house at minus 8 called Kwaito?

Sort of. There is definately a difference, but house did inspire the previous pop style to change into Kwaito.

Why do you fight Vahid? Why?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

it is his way.

applejack carney (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link

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The 'Delayer' remix is fukin awesome.

trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 24 June 2006 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

The mix by Harvey of Lindstrom and Christabelle's Music (In My Mind) is great. It sounds like he slowed down the instrumental and then put the vocals back over it at normal pitch. Mtume's You, Me and He 12" is an awesome display of slowness. Slow james so slow they're ambient.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 26 June 2006 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

"slow james"

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Monday, 26 June 2006 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh right. Hope it's not a problem.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 26 June 2006 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

TOM PETTY - You Got Lucky (Cosmic Instrumental) b/w Don't Come Around Here No More (Synth-drum Dub)

Ace edits to feed all your cosmic needs! An essential summer floor-burner, played endlessly by Beppe Loda back in the '80s! TIP!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

serious? please to email me ysi link if so.

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Monday, 26 June 2006 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

play Liquid Liquid's "Scraper" at 33 instead of 45, sounds great.

not relevant to the thread but pitch way up Happy Monday's "Hallelujah" and its even wilder, with nary a trace of helium.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 02:28 (fifteen years ago) link

i should really read threads all the way thru before posting.

jaxon, mr. gill, et al. more about Tom Petty cosmic please, particularly the b-side (who did it?)

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Every single Alan Parsons song could be (and should be) turned into an amazing re-edit. have they already had a reevaluation?

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 02:47 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know much about the edits because i usually don't buy new vinyl, but Ugly Edits 8 (Willie Hutch "Slick") is so fucking good. and it's not even the song in the title.
-- jäxøñ (jaso...), June 14th, 2006 7:38 PM. (jaxon)

ok, i lied. my mp3 was mislabled. it's really Ugly Edits 7 that i love. GQ's "Lies". god, what a fucking amazing song.

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Every single Alan Parsons song could be (and should be) turned into an amazing re-edit. have they already had a reevaluation?

It seems so, over on the DJ History board (aka Beardo Central.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link

they were revaluated a while back, when it came to light that there's at least as much alan parsons in dj shadow as there is david axelrod.

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 07:14 (fifteen years ago) link

my favorite ugly edit = etta james' "the basement"

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 07:15 (fifteen years ago) link

i want a disco edit compilation of "young americans" ... particularly "somebody up there likes me" and "right" and the disco version of "john i'm only dancing".

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 07:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i think my favorite ugly edit is still #1.

Bea Arthur - Lost COmic GEnius ? (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link

tho the a-side to #2 is not without its charms.

Bea Arthur - Lost COmic GEnius ? (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link

i want a disco edit compilation of "young americans" ... particularly "somebody up there likes me" and "right" and the disco version of "john i'm only dancing".

I have been thinking about something like this for a while, too. "right" would be especially good...

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link

it's really Ugly Edits 7 that i love. GQ's "Lies". god, what a fucking amazing song.

-- flëétwøöd måçk (jaso...) (webmail), Tuesday 1:53 AM. (jaxon) (later) (link)

this afternoon i listened to a unnamed DJ's shockingly bad "Think Twice" edit, it simply stretched the best breaks in the song by looping them ten or twelve times and then returned to those passages on occasion to bloat the length from 6 mins to 12+ mins. appalling.

to understand how brilliant TP's "Lies" edit is, track down the original GQ track. Parrish removes all the chaff and distills the best moments of the song into something entirely new.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link

my favorite ugly edit = etta james' "the basement"

mine too & probably my favourite track from last year.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
interesting thing on how make edits the old fashioned way:

http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk/credit_to_the_edit/how_to_edit.html

mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

It's really no fun.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

like surgery in the middle ages

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

the only tape editing I ever did was in the oberlin TIMARA studios, on an Otari MX-5050. I composed a really stupid piece of musique concrete for my Introduction to Electronic Music class.

Anyway, I know I keep mentioning this, but Big Daddy magazine a few years ago published an amazing 2 part article on the history of cut-n-paste, covering everything from Danny Krivit's old bootleg disco edits, to Latin Rascals/Omar Santana type stuff to Coldcut or whatever. Really good stuff.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link

TS: Chep Nunez vs. Omar Snatana vs. The Whiz Kids vs. The Balerunners/Felix Sama

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link

er, bladerunners even

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Christian Balerunner?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Omar Santana editing T-La Rock's Breaking Bells. THE most fucked up, crazy, editing track ever.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

dan, seriously, I should make you a Miami edit mix. They hired Omar and Chep sometimes, but there was basically a school down there (not literally) based around Phil Jones and Bob Rosenberg (who later started the group Will to Power).

Kevin "Boy Wonder" Fluornoy (who we now know as Life) and his apprentice Crash were the Whiz Kids, while their rivals were Albie Nieves and Felix Sama aka The Bladerunners. Everything they touched, they destroyed.

Ask Life about Phil and Bob they next time you cross paths. This is the height of this stuff, and he was not only there for it, but a key player.

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Please make that mix.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link

seconded!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

(of course this is all in the opposite vein of which Mike started this thread with...lord knows that I get where he's coming from. I danced to a set by a highly regarded beardo disco dj who played a homemade edited dub of Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy, one of my fave songs ever, and I kept waiting for ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN 7 MINUTES OF THE INTRO NON-STOP)

yeah, yeah, I've been told, some people have made good ones, whatever that means...

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Most new school DJ's =/= music arrangers

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

that is one hell of an intro though....

but the rest of the song is great too!

TS: Edits that extend the cool instrumental parts in addition to the fun pop song parts vs Edits that Extend the cool instrumental parts to the exclusion of the fun pop song parts

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

thirded! after multiple xposts

boo berry (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link

so, uh, whose gonna grab it form me off of slsk and spread it irl?

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

if you make this, perhaps it will finally be the impetus i need to start a record label

boo berry (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

haha, threadstarter back to thread (and turntable repairman to my home)

If anyone is in NYC today, I'm DJ'ing at Savalas tonight with another Miami style DJ (Egg Foo Young of Secret Frequency Crew)

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

you can always record it at my house, dude. You know I've got fancy cartridges and high-end audio interface fun. And if you fuck up the mixing, we can just chop it up in the computer, nobody will notice, machine gun edits every 20 seconds!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

pshhaw! me?! fuck up mixing?!

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

actually, maybe it shouldn't be mixed, all cuts.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

instead of edits have PW big up certain cities then burst REWwwind the reel to reel tape

mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey, I just got that 'Thank You Arthur' Editions Disco thing. Now, THAT is great.

It's totally different to the version of Go bang that you know, but rather than extending the beat-led sections of the 24-24-music version, it takes the snatches of vocals from that and turns it into a pop song. It kind of reminds me of the Velvets (with Mo Tucker singing) and The Eels, bizarrely. It's great.

The B-side is meh.

I want to get the Cowboys and Gangsters one. Has anyone heard that?

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 30 September 2006 07:01 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Think Ableton Live would be suited for doing some of the hijack/edit type stuff described here?

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I just assumed that almost all of it was done in Live!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link

or just get one audio editor, obviously.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.discogs.com/release/68347
Why doesn't Greg Wilson get mentioned more often. His 'Credit to the Edit' series is great, as well as the release I linked above. I believed he creates his using records and turntables, as well as the reel to reel.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I stand corrected

Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Does anybody still create live edits using two copyies of the same record anymore?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

This is what you want for the Mac. Really really responsive developers who are always improving it. It's like SoundDesigner II or SoundEdit 16 but better. BELIEVE.

http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/wave_editor.php

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

some people love ableton because it's easier to quantize the audio, something some DAWs can do now, others have complained that it takes some of the funk out of the originals.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
two months pass...
(of course this is all in the opposite vein of which Mike started this thread with...lord knows that I get where he's coming from. I danced to a set by a highly regarded beardo disco dj who played a homemade edited dub of Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy, one of my fave songs ever, and I kept waiting for ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN 7 MINUTES OF THE INTRO NON-STOP)

haha, this edit was just posted on lovefingers!

Michael F Gill, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:41 (fourteen years ago) link

haha. i don't mean to call him out because i've met him a few times and we've emailed a bit and he's a pretty nice guy, but that's funny. here's an exchange of ours.

me: I'm not too sure what I make of edits really. I mean I really dig them when they turn a non dance track into a more danceable version - like that Rub-n-Tug Chicago thing, but when someone takes an already dancey track and just loops the intro a bit, kinda suspect.

him: I am not huge on edits either, mostly because there are so many shit ones, but a lot of otherwise great tracks are stuffed with shitty bridges and vocals and stuff that can just be eliminated, imo. Not really a big fan of super repetative hypnotic disco loops tho

jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually just listened to that annie edit and it was kinda neat. a bit repetitive, but it actually did things. kinda like something a french filter house producer would do w/a sample.

jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

BUT THE VOCALS ON ANNIE ARE THE BEST PART, THEY'RE SO FUNNY!

dan selzer, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:56 (fourteen years ago) link

(pssst, to any canadian readers ... mike simonetti is djing in montreal on fri apr 6th, for poussez! poussez! at zoo bizarre and in toronto on saturday apr 7th, for seventh heaven in the white orchid basement)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/flyerposter.jpg

jaime, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i made this:

Brian Ice - Over Again (Catch & Release edit)

:)

The Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.chloesevigny.com/chloe_pictures/01_russian_pg95.jpg

jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

chloe sux!

also....

the next big thing? Bits-n-pieces style compilations of the latest dancefloor hits! Only the best part of the latest records spliced together, 20 songs per side, all wheat, no chaffe. Lots of machine-gun edits.

-- Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:51 (9 months ago)


didn't lots of people make these kindsa medleys in the late 70's and part of the 80's?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/METRCD082.jpg

a friend of mine recently commented that seeing diplo and dj's of that ilk these days is "like having a stars on 45 record shit all over your good time".

jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I was kidding, though maybe I want the machine-gun edits. Spent the afternoon listening to John Rocca singles.

Generally, when it comes to all the hip new stuff, new music, new DJs, the Stars on 45 aspect is what gets the most annoying, there's no ups and downs, no dynamics. Ugh, I've complained enough about this already.

dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

(dan ...) yeah i figured you were prolly kidding ... but it's kinda actually what's happening now. was talking to this kid who was saying he was making a mix where he wouldn't play any more than 30 secs of a song and my girlfriend and i were like ... uhh? jive bunny? stars on 45? disco medleys? but 19 and 20 yr olds have no frame of reference for that. they don't even have a frame of reference for shit that happened 2 years ago. they JUST started going out.

jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

-- scott seward, Friday, April 6, 2007 9:20 PM (3 minutes ago)


people still do that. white stripes? wolfmother? etc?

i seem to recall reading something on dj history about a cheesy big club remix of 'eurodans'. which is sort of hilarious.

jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i started a thread about the spam i get about french edit parties/nights and i listened to one of can's mother sky and it was so bad. so bad that i didn't listen to any of the other ones.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link

at least they don't tell you : Penis Enlarge Patch will make your dick big enough to play football on it.

jaxon, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

and how soon we forget the Trevor Jackson mix, not the Playgroup DJ kicks (which is one of my faves) but the other one that was no more then like 20 seconds of every classic early 80s dance cut. I never got a copy of it but it was a trainspotters dream (or nightmare).

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

-- dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (9 hours ago)


i agree wholeheartedly with this.

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (15 hours ago)

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (15 hours ago)


there was a bit of a shitstorm here in toronto surrounding these kids who were using their own premixes for parties.

it sort of plays into dan's comment about there being no subtleties of mood or feeling that people can do this and sorta get away with it. the only feeling is UP UP UP. plus the technology makes it so much easier to put whatever 20 corny gimmicky songs together at home.

how do you all feel about bands doing covers a la mountain of one "can't be serious" or glass candy "miss broadway"?

i saw soulwax do their live band thing and it was much like their dj sets where there were tiny bits and pieces of songs quickly spliced into their own material. it was interesting to see, but a bit soul-less i think.

jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

"and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc."


isn't that what "young people" want though? that repetition of the money shot over and over. not just in dance music either. but there too. 20,000 Dutch gabber fans can't be wrong!

(i like it too, by the way. mostly for nullification of the self/religious reasons.)

scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

think this might have something to do with the resurgence in cocaine use?

BATTAGS, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

I get those emails too, the Can one is probably the worst one. I like the JJ Cale, Frankie Valli, Human Beinz the best.

dmr, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Mike Simonetti of TMU?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes.

dan selzer, Sunday, 8 April 2007 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

late to to teh party m8s, but here are my two #####. there's no mood anymore because people aren't looking for magic, an experience, a transcendant kinda thing (despite the whole "cosmic" motif these days, no one's doing any of that 'open ur mind + heart' shit). people want the coke, bat-shit out of your minds kinda experience, or the "I'm so cool cuz I'm here" - so, you get "UP UP UP", corny gimmicks, horribly lame underground clothing label-type mixes, etc.

When psychotropic drugs and that social atmosphere come back into fashion (if ever, and maybe they have somewhere cooler than me), then you'll probably get people favoring music that's a little weirder and moodier. But, 2007 = lindsey lohan, obsessive materialism, narcissism, cocaine, internet-age ADHD, etc. - so it's what u get.

uhrrrrrrr10, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

are you saying its hard to enjoy disco music on coke?

g®▲đұ, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I get those emails too, the Can one is probably the worst one. I like the JJ Cale, Frankie Valli, Human Beinz the best.
apparently the frankie valli one has been signed for a legit release by some british label who wanna sell it as this year's 'crazy'.

haitch, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link

2007 = lindsey lohan, obsessive materialism, narcissism, cocaine, internet-age ADHD

this and this

you get "UP UP UP", corny gimmicks, horribly lame underground clothing label-type mixes, etc.

is OTM, but you're making a mistake conflating the disco edit movement with this. if anything, that movement is about decreasing the energy - cutting out all the fun bits and only keeping the dull, "tasteful" parts. worst idea ever, i say.

i'm quite fond of the idea of Diplo as our generation's Jive Bunny, i must say.

Jeb, Monday, 4 June 2007 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link

are you saying its hard to enjoy disco music on coke?

No, it's hard to enjoy disco when everyone else is on coke and your quad-dipped tabs are starting to come on and the guy next to you with the lava lamp for a face just won't shut up...

DJ Logan5, Monday, 4 June 2007 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm still not understanding the point of edits like this edit of the turtles 'happy together' by Todd Terje. sounds like he looped the intro once, pumped up the bass and added a bit of effects towards the end. what'd that take him, 10 minutes?

http://americanathlete.blogspot.com/2007/06/introducing-wade-nichols.html

jaxon, Monday, 4 June 2007 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

But that's often the point of an "edit" as opposed to a "remix". And they often take 10 minutes.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

it's for people who would do mashups but don't have the talent, basically ;)

never acid again, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

naaah edits generally don't fuck with the originals too much, just make them more "deejay-able" - ie a bit more intro, bass and effects

jaime, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Exactly, nowadays it can be as simple as just running a live drum based song through ableton to set the tempo perfectly.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

boring

jaxon, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

like putting stabilisers on your bike

never acid again, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Eh, works for me.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

no one here is taking a purist "all edits are bad" stance, right?

we can all agree that there are good ones and bad ones, however different that may be defined.

g®▲đұ, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

anyone who says all edits are bad has obv never heard anything by beatconductor or tangoterje

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

well i think the thing that should be questioned is whether or not they should be pressed and offered for sale. altho of course it'd be impossible to make that kind of judgement, the impression i've always gotten is that dj's would make em for personal use, personalized for their own sets. i mean, if you're a budding producer or whatever it's probably a nice way to learn stuff but i don't know about building a whole reputation on edits.

jaime, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I'm speaking purely in terms of edits as a DJ tool. Occasionally, an edit is worth releasing, but it's rare.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

nothing wrong with stars on 45 is there?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Love the Tangoterje edit of Paul Simon's "Diamonds on the Souls of her Shoes". It ends up halfway between Studio and Arthur Russell's "In The Light of the Miracle".

Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

If they are using Ableton/Audacity/Whatever to tighten up the beats on these edits they need to do a lot better job cause I still have to warp the shit outta them!

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Rune Lindbaek's Afrika I'm looking at you here.

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I am obsessed with Peter Visti's remix of Dolly Parton's "Jolene". Amazing.

Tim F, Saturday, 23 June 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

how do you all feel about bands doing covers a la mountain of one "can't be serious"

Who/ what is this a cover of? It's cool.

Iain Macdonald, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link

it's by Ginny.
http://www.flexx.be/distro/items.php?id=flexx004

got big on the DJ Harvey Sarcastic Disco mix.

jaxon, Monday, 24 September 2007 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

surely the irony is that AMO's cover version is totally serious and straight faced.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 24 September 2007 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

holy crap -

http://discoedits.com/

Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 January 2009 11:30 (twelve years ago) link

ahha
this one is one of the best out there...

http://sci-fi-pogo.blogspot.com/

kaiser, Monday, 12 January 2009 12:41 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

this just in: disco edits are still 99% retarded. that said, hearing Mike Dunn play disco records in Chicago sort of changed how i look at edits.

pipecock, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 05:11 (twelve years ago) link

thank god ILX is ok until end of june

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.grahamphillips.net/Ark/Ark_2_files/moses_with_tablets.jpg

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

best edit i have heard lately is the dr. dunks' 'keep it cheap', nice echoey looping business as heard on rub n tug's beats in space mix.

juniper jazz (haitch), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

yellow cards? are we playing soccer here?

pipecock, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

the yellowcard is ILXs own way of calling you retarded, bro

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

Soccer? What's that then? I

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

^^ RIP us / europe zinger

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

Is pipecock banned again already or something? If not, I'm interested in hearing more about the Mike Dunn set and in what way it changed your view.

matt2, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4662/img00036v.jpg

jaxon, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

no wai

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

wai

fleetwood (max), Monday, 5 October 2009 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

that wasn't even at a nerdy record store. was just at your run of the mill hipster haberdashery

jaxon, Monday, 5 October 2009 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

This has been a fun thread to reread.

Jacob Sanders, Monday, 5 October 2009 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

Was this a joke TOM PETTY - You Got Lucky (Cosmic Instrumental) b/w Don't Come Around Here No More (Synth-drum Dub)?

Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 00:12 (twelve years ago) link

never heard a version of You Got Lucky but there is definitely a track out there called Don't Dub Around Here No More (Italians-related ... I think it's done by Tiedye under a different name)

dmr, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

it's by västkustska ryggdunkarsällskapet, which is tiedye + sankt goran. if you're actually curious

psychgawsple, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

I made a 'combination' mix with Let Me In by El Perro Del Mar and Don't Dub Around Here. I enjoy listening to it this way. Maybe you will to.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

^ this is awesome! good work

psychgawsple, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Okay, the Cleo & Patra On the Nile EP is really wonderful.

EDB, Saturday, 2 October 2010 03:52 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

haven't heard an edit i've liked for weeks and weeks now

"african disco power" sort of a nadir in my mind

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

tornado wallace does stuff that sound like disco edits but aren't

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 16:26 (eleven years ago) link

cool, i'm hoping people can prove me wrong on this one

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

and why is it the nadir?

beta blog, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

how funny is it that the only edits i've heard of being released in the past few months is by the starter of this thread

jaxon, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

more like a personal nadir - the track title / credentials had me totally excited, and then when i heard it, just total pffffft

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

the new edits from Personal Nadir are amazing.

Afro Cosmic with a Halloween vibe.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 09:03 (eleven years ago) link

(xxpost) Jaxon - Bim Marx just released our latest 12" this month.

Wayland Flowers And Madman (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:28 (eleven years ago) link

and how are those Simonetti edits? i was underwhelmed by a 12" he put out and have avoided the others since then.
seconding Bim Marx.

beta blog, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

are r&b edits the new disco edits?

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:36 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

my friend charles sent me a disco edit that he made - and made an acetate of - in 1979 of Instant Funk and man was he ahead of his time. so cool. everything new is old again.

scott seward, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 22:31 (eight years ago) link


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