Grant McLennan - RIP

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http://www.go-betweens.org.uk/news.htm

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Was there any word of him being ill or anything? This is really startling. RIP.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Heard about this a few hours ago, third-hand through an acquaintance who lives near him. Seemed unbelievable and...still does, really.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

What the ... ??? Right out of nowhere. RIP.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, somehow this doesn't quite seem real. He was fantastic when I saw them play last June.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone knows more info, pass it along. I don't know if he had a pre-existing health condition.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

So sad. RIP.

Doktor Faustus (noodle vague), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

This is pretty sad. Only got 'Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express' by the Go Betweens, but always thought it was a great album.

fractal (fractal), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Noooooooooooooo! This is terrible. RIP

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

That's really sad news..I'm totally shocked. RIP. Even if he was pushing 50, as a songwriter he was still in his prime....

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ah fuck. just reading this elsewhere, too. RIP. was just listening to G-Bs the other day

that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a very fond memory of Grant and Robert performing an acoustic show in Detroit around 1998 or so. They ended with Cattle and Cane. Now I really, really regret missing the past few Go-Betweens tours. RIP. Grant's music meant a lot to me.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I interviewed Robert Forster a ocuple of months ago; about as humble, wry, and intelligent a guy as I've ever met. If Grant was anything like his longtime partner he's gonna be really missed.

I won't write much since I'll probably compose something longer later, but anyone who knows me knows how much the Go-Betweens' music has meant to me over the years. I'm just happy he died at the peak of his powers; last year's Oceans Apart was as extraordinary as their peak '80s material.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I've actually got that G-B's mix CD-R you made me in the CD changer now, Alfred. Thank again for that.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

:(

DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

My pleasure. I always felt like they were the best kind of cult band: you wanted everyone to know about them, were disappointed when people focused on their obvious flaws to the exclusion of their considerable strengths, and delighted when someone "got it" in the same way you did.

(xpost to Anthony)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit.. Really sad. RIP

robster (robster), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I'm going to throw up. The GBs were my favorite pop band since The Beatles. I don't know what to say. And I never got the chance to see them perform. Fuck, fuck, fuck. He had too many great songs still to write.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw the thread title and it hit me like a punch to the stomach. Lie everyone else said, it doesn't seem real. So sad. RIP. Selfishly, I'm glad I got the chance to see him perform live.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit!
Now that's a shock.
Aaron, I was at that accostic show (Pontiac?) as well, and my wife and I saw Grant a couple of years earlier in a cafe in Hamtramck. He was driving around the states in a station wagon, playing these tiny tiny venues. We ate dinner there, then he came in, pulled up a stool right next to us, and began playing. My wife was there just as my date, saying that she didn't know who the Go-Betweens were. But it seemed during the start of every second song or so, she tugged my shirt and whispered, "I know this one!"

Seemed to be a very genuine, sincere man.
....who happened to write some great songs.

RIP.

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus fucking christ. Completely unexepected, and devastating news.

I just saw the Go-B's last summer and got to meet Grant a bit backstage. He looked to be in incredible shape and in good spirits.

R.I.P. Grant.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

truly awful shocking news. great songwriter, great band. rip.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus H. Christ, you're not kidding! :-(

Man. You know, I never saw them live or him solo, and I regret it terribly now. Had many chances too. You just think you'll eventually get the time.

The one story I have -- I interviewed him around the time Horsebreaker Star came out. Funny as hell, great times had. Towards the end I asked him about the song "Simone and Perry" and he mentioned it was about two friends of his. I offered that I had read the title thinking about Nina Simone and Lee Perry -- not being serious, just the first thing that leapt to mind. He laughed heartily and said, "That's a good idea, I might say that in the future!"

RIP. This is seriously sad.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Christ, it just hit me, the writer of "Cattle and Cane" is dead.

Arrrgh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

And "Streets of Your Town."

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I almost don't want to run the full list over in my mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

So far the only info I can find is from the above mentioned Go-Betweens website. Could this be a hoax?

Wishful thinking, I know.

Jeff K (jeff k), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just relistening to 1991's Watershed, his first solo album, and the songs shine through the horrible programmed drums. He was a poetic lyricist without any of the opprobium summoned whenever the adjective is used: he weighed every line, wasn't afraid of courting absurdity or foolishness ("Just Get That Straight" has that line about running over the beloved boyfriend's with a big ol' tractor), and understood that narrative creates its own suspense and thus its own poignancy.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember getting a copy of the friends of rachel worth in the mail and not listening to it for the looooooongest time, thinking - eh, there is no way it's gonna be as good as prime go-betweens - and i didn't want my good memories to be sullied. wrong much!! what an idiot i was. i wasted all that time not listening when i should have been celebrating. sorry, grant. never should have doubted you. it's a cliche, but you will not be forgotten. all those great songs will be spinning somewhere forever.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

For some reason, this is hitting me harder than losing John Lennon or Joe Strummer. Perhaps because The Beatles and to some small degree, The Clash, belonged to everyone. I know the Go-Betweens are pretty big on these boards, but in my own, tiny universe, they were MY band.
What sucks is that 99.99 percent of the music-listening world has never even heard of him. I once found myself in an e-mail correspondence with a woman from Australia, and she had never heard of the GBs.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

This reminds me of the day D. Boon died. No one who listens to radio will even notice.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Jim M OTFM.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Scrounging turns up this Christgau piece on Horsebreaker and McLennan in general from 1995, and this bit reminded me again of that essential humor he had:

Yet in the end, as cultists know and too few others will find out, the lyrics are worth digesting. If my favorite line involves, of all things, songs--"Really loved the one about those L.A. freaks/Did it take a day to write or was it weeks?"--that's only to say he knows more about them than the competition.

So true. Like I just muttered elsewhere, it's those people who actually break through my own 'the lyrics don't matter' stance that I end up cherishing all the more because they're actually good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

It's funny, I recently went on the GB's official message board, asking about the T-shirt Grant was wearing for the cover of "Friends of Rachel Worth." I want it sooooo bad. The response was:

"Jim, with all due respect, are you joking? Grant's a serial sartorial shocker, and there he is, alas, caught once again on 'The Friends...' Why not hunt down a Forsterish canary-yellow suit instead? I'm not sure where you'd get that shirt, sorry."

I still want that shirt.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Like I just muttered elsewhere, it's those people who actually break through my own 'the lyrics don't matter' stance that I end up cherishing all the more because they're actually good

Yup. *sigh*

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Very sad news. I love the first Jack Frost album he made with Steve Kilbey as well. What a loss.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Even if we ignore the lyrics, McLennan's melodic prowess was unequalled. A large part of what made his solo career a bit wearying despite considerable highpoints was that all those great hooks (over the most rudimentary of chords at times) lined up one after the other -- without Forsterian dourness -- made me yell, "Dude, stop! One at a time!" quite often.

This guy should be remembered as one of the greats, and only about 5% of music lovers recognize his achievements.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I've had my differences with Ned (I love you NED!!!!!), but I very rarely ever listen to lyrics. This guy wrote some great hooks, which I appreciate more than artichoke hearts with garlic and pasta.

4th martini coming up.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I keep googling his name in "news" and nothing comes up. But my newspaper didn't print any news of Mile Davis' s passing either.

5th martini coming up.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The comments here are pretty impressive. I've never really paid much attention to the Go-Betweens, who I moments ago realized I have always conflated with Prefab Sprout for some reason. (Sorry!) I guess I should seek something out...

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Again, pleased to mitya, email me and I'll burn you some stuff. Take advantage while I'm still terribly drunk.

What a horrible fuckin' day.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Just got a horrible text informing me of this. Brings back memories of talking to Robert Forster at a London after show party, last year or the year before, who informed us that Grant could not attend because he was 'upstairs smoking a spliff'.

An actual genius. Not many that can be said about. RIP.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Did that screenplay he and Robert were working on ever get finished or produced?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Grant was a genius, but he could write a tune that stayed in my head for days. I'll take that over a genius any day.

6th martini coming up.....

Jim M (jmcgaw), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Aaron, I was at that accostic show (Pontiac?) as well, and my wife

Yeah, Pontiac, MI at the 7th House. I remember it really vividly.

This completely sucks. Grant was what, only 48? Awful.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

No one's mentioned Robert Forster. I was always touched that when the Go-Be's broke up in '88 there was little rancor b/w the two men. When I spoke to him in February he said enough about what Grant meant to him without getting drippy:

Our relationship’s changing all the time. We’re still discovering its magnitude. Any successful relationship requires a lot of give and take. If the spotlight’s on your partner instead of you, you learn to accept it. We’ve seen famous bands where they’re all friends break up, and it’s sad. We’re passed that point, though. We’re concerned with the greater good. Certainly in the ‘80s, when we faced a lot of commercial pressure—to write hit singles and so forth—it’s a bad situation for two songwriters, and was not good for our friendship. But the peak is still there, and we’re looking for new ones.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just reading the interview you did for Stylus. I'll save you the embarrassment and include the link.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, Jim. There's always P2P out there. Perhaps some of the mp3 blogs will post things on Monday.

Just out of curiosity, how big were they in Australia?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Devastated. Now doubly glad I paid for both nights when they were in NY. 16 Lovers Lane is my favorite album of all time.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I've finally put my finger on what this reminds me of -- it's a bit like Octavia Butler's death, though she had a more overt history of health problems. But it was a passing too soon and when you just knew there was more to come. When Lem died, I was saddened but again, he had had a marvellously full life. With Butler and now with McLennan, I feel like I've been kicked in the gut.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

geeez....just clicked on ilx to catch up after work and this smacked me like a ton of bricks.....what a terrible fucking loss.

drone/a/sore (drone/a/sore), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

steve kilbey writes about grant mclennan in his blog.

drone/a/sore (drone/a/sore), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

This is where Kilbey is most OTM:

grant seemed to have a way of opening up his mouth
and singing instant choruses
hed plucked outta the ether
words flew to him
he walk with melodies at his beck n call

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Very sad. This should be big news, but alas, the Go Betweens were always that underrated gem band that no one other than critics and music freaks ever talked about.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19054648-2,00.html

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

wow. sigh...

i somehow fanangled my way into seeing him at urbis orbis in chicago about 12 years ago now, opening for...are you ready for this?... Jewel. there was a line through the coffee shop to the door before the door opened. he played solo accoustic and put on an incredible show -- the song i most remember is "haven't i been a fool", which remains my favorite from him probably because of the performance. the crowd (geez, maybe 75?) was so respectful, hardly a whisper uttered during any of the songs. it was gorgeous.

after a standing ovation, 90% of the crowd got up to leave. i remember Jewel, who took the floor very quickly, was reduced literally begging "please don't go!"

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Saturday, 6 May 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

This is really heartbreaking...

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Sunday, 7 May 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know what to say about this at all. RIP grant, you will never be forgotten.

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Sunday, 7 May 2006 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazing what you can find on Google -- Grant interviews Nick Cave, as it were.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

N.C : I'm like you in that I'm very interested in classic songwriting, creating songs that have a classic feel to them. I mean, I don't think either of us are really concerned about doing anything that's new, or breaking new areas of music. We're far more interested in writing purposeful and soulful and well-constructed songs, and, as you go, you get more tools to be able to do that.

G.W : Where I grew up there is an annual picnic race meeting where the people from the surrounding cattle stations come and race their horses and relax. Whenever I'm there I get asked to play some songs but I find it really difficult because I don't know any of the songs they like. If I play my own, especially the early ones, they say "do you know any with a tune?" (much laughter)

N.C : I'd love to be able to play guitar and be able to sing, to stand on the back of a truck or around the campfire and entertain people in that way. I can't do that, unfortunately.

G.W : You could if you wanted to. You used to have an old guitar in London which I wrote "Cattle and Cane" on.

N.C : So that's why I could never write anything on it.

G.W : I ruined it for you. Did I steal its only tune? I'll give you a credit next time I see my publisher.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Radio interview with the band last year.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 7 May 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed with everyone above. It's like hearing D. Boon died - totally unexpected, shocking in ways you wouldn't have realized, and at the expense of so many other great songs that would've come. I'm so glad I got to see Grant solo a bunch of times in NYC (once in a midtown Irish bar during happy hour!) and Grant and Robert at Maxwell's circa 1999. It seems like we're unexpectedly losing a lot of our greats lately, doesn't it?

mike a, Sunday, 7 May 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned I have the real magazine that Cave/McLennan article is from, I'm suprised it's been transcribed there wholesale without credit! Its from GQ magazine from about 1993 or thereabouts, by my recall.

Very sad news, this.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 7 May 2006 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

This is so wrenching. Oceans Apart was the 2005 record I've listened to the most in 2006; it helped me a lot during some fairly dark times, pretty recently. It's the album I was hoping I'd hear from them--the one that fully convinced me of their greatness, and the one that's making me work backwards. I have to do that now, obviously.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 7 May 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what to say. This is impossibly sad news.

I'm so glad that I saw the G-Bs play live last year.

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 7 May 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

This is so very sad I barely know what to say. Except that had I not read it here, tonight, I wonder how long I would have gone without ever finding out.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 7 May 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

For what was up until I found out a lovely day, this has really all knocked me for a loop. I can't stop thinking about it, or at least, as I concentrate on other things it still comes back to me. I went for a small wander just now in my area, and I looked up into the sky without a god that's a clear blue sky. It seems just that much more empty now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Like a ghost
A ghost of something old
It's cold and dusty in here.
It's in your hand
It sits just like a glove
The finger traces the lines of love.
It's cold and dusty in here.

-- "Dusty in Here"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Really glad I went to see them last year but otherwise really knocked over by this awful news.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 7 May 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not over Nikki Sudden at all yet, so this is really a blow to my head (I'm not even over the passings of Nina Simone and Joe Strummer.) I've been a fan of the Go-Betweens since their time on Postcard, and I've known them since about 1983. I really believed that finally their career seemed on the verge of some sort of breakthrough, even if it were just on a Rufus Wainwright or Tom Waits kind of level - something less than top 40 pop hits, but money from films and decent touring revenues. Clearly, they deserved it.

Dee Xtrovert (dee dee), Sunday, 7 May 2006 02:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't go out tonight (heh, maybe I should have). Instead I've been drinking wine, checking this thread, and running through the Go-Be's/McLennan catalogue. I must admit, every time I see the thread title my heart catches in my throat. "No more Go-Betweens songs? Ever?"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm at a complete loss for words. RIP Grant.

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 03:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Pontiac, MI at the 7th House

Haha, yeah, I was there too, great show. Shit, this is awful news, I'm heartbroken.

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

A great songwriter and someone who defined an image of Australia for me through his lyrics and music. "Cattle and Cane" is not his only legacy, thankfully, and I'll miss not getting to see how the band would age even more gracefully than they already have.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Sunday, 7 May 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

one of the bands that formed the soundtrack to my adolescence, but never, ever got stale... i can't imagine not looking forward to the next go-betweens album, it seems like i always have been.

gem (trisk), Sunday, 7 May 2006 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus Christ! This is so unspeakably awful and 'unlikely'. Makes for the one GBs-related thread to which I don't know what to post... RIP GWM.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 7 May 2006 07:05 (seventeen years ago) link

This is very sad news indeed, such a charming engaging and fun man, as with gem their songs marked my Sydney adolescence. Thoughts go out to his family and of course Robert.

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 7 May 2006 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

and (duh, forgot), the Seattle GB's show was the best I saw in 2005. just amazing.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 7 May 2006 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 7 May 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, how big were they in Australia?

ABC-TV (Aus) evening news just reported his death as the 3rd or 4th story. Which was pleasantly surprising. Many viewers of a certain age probably stopped chewing their dinner, even if he wasn't a household name...

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 7 May 2006 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Streets Of Your Town was certainly a radio hit, but as to how big they were in the mainstream media, not huge I think.

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 7 May 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Just began to listen their works a few months ago...

zeus (zeus), Sunday, 7 May 2006 09:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Only discovered them a couple of years ago, seeing them live at the Corner in Melbourne, but they blew me away. I couldn't believe they hadn't achieved more widespread success, particularly in their own country, with such a strong catalogue.

Put '16 Lovers Lane' on at work on Friday and listened to it all the way through - I rarely do that with any album these days. Very, very sad news indeed.

wombatX (wombatX), Sunday, 7 May 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

ABC-TV (Aus) evening news just reported his death as the 3rd or 4th story.

Not in every state! Didn't get a mention on ABC News down my way.

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 7 May 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh no. Just heard about it on 6Music news. This is heartbreaking news.
I've turned the radio off and am now playing Before Hollywood.

David Orton (scarlet), Sunday, 7 May 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: wombatX, that's funny. I hadn't listened to them in months, but I was thinking about them, and especially Grant, on Friday. I played "Tallulah" tonight before I went to hear some "art music," and thought while I was out about how much he might have appreciated what I was listening to.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 7 May 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

fucking hell. RIP, grant.

the go-betweens are one of those bands i love when i listen to them - but i don't listen to them enough. i was lucky enough to see them live, though, and i'm grateful for that.

this is genuinely terrible, upsetting, tragic news. RIP.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

The Barbican show was one of the best concerts I have ever attended.

Thank you, Grant, for that and so much, much more.

I just can't believe it.

RIP.

Niall, Sunday, 7 May 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

So so so sad. Lends the career-summation quality of That Striped Sunlight Sound's 'living room acoustic stories' session with Grant and Robert just that much more poignancy and sweetness. RIP Grant, and godspeed.

rmh, Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris Eckman of the Walkabouts -- whose name is a specific and knowing homage to the Go-Betweens -- posted this earlier on the mailing list:

I am devastated by the news of Grant Mclennan's death. He was one of the great songwriters of the past 25 years. "Cattle And Cane" is transcendence as song. "Boundary Rider" from their last album is just a good.

I hung out with Grant and Robert backstage in Vienna, about a year ago. He was in a positive, chatty mood. The club was packed and the show was WONDERFUL. The Go-betweens were back and as great as ever.

This is a cruel, cruel blow. This is absolutely not fair. The loss is immense. My heart aches for Robert.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The official message board tribute thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(You'll find many moving posts, including some from quite familiar names, like Teenage Fanclub's Norman Blake and mastering/remastering guru Bill Inglot.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Including Toby Vail!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, just noticed that myself!

And man, some of the great stories there:

i first met Grant in Los Angeles on their first trip out here in 85...instantly charmed, we became fast friends, along with Robert and the rest of the group.
He told me he was dying to try REAL mexican food for the first time, so he and Lindy hopped in my car and we headed for the best i could find. of course we had to stop for beer first and although i mentioned a certain law against opening and driving, we cracked a few and headed to santa monica.
at the table, he spied some EXTEMELY HOT peppers that they set out for the daring. i warned him against eating any. he ignored my warning and bit into one whole pepper, chewed for a while, and the sweat started pouring off his face...he went RED!!...smiled, guzzled some beer and then DID IT AGAIN...3 more times!! "we dont have anything like that down in australia" he said...!

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Grant worked in my record shop in the late 1970's in Toowong, He came in late one night after closing with a flagon of wine in his hand and said to me that he and Robert were thinking of recording two songs for a single. I said "Gee, do you you think that will work?"

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I recall late one night in 1981 Grant standing at the bar of the Queensland Institute of Technology (now QUT) Campus Club, one of the many live venues in Brisbane at that very lively time. My band had just played a not very memorable gig, but Grant strained to offer a compliment "I liked that Wire song (Outdoor Miner) you played". A more recent memory is of driving down Moray Street in New Farm and seeing Grant walking along the footpath. I slowed the car and offered him a ride. Grant jumped in and before I could establish where he was going we got to talking about the Bob Dylan concert that I'd seen a few nights before down on the beach at Ballina. Grant hadn't seen the show but he wanted to know what I thought. I recall him expressing disappointment that Dylan had stopped singing or even trying to sing. I remember saying "yes, you're right, but it didn't really trouble me because he looked just so into playing with his band". Grant then said "Could you see if he was shaking his leg, that's the real indicator you know ?" Before I could answer (and indeed I had seen the famous Dylan leg-shake), Grant indicated that we had travelled as far as he was going, thanked me for the lift, and was on his way again. Bon voyage.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Appalling. Never got to see them live, but I've been pressing their records upon everyone I know for years now...

They're playing Cattle and Cane on 6Music as I write this post...

Mippy (Mippy), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Pitchfork:

McLennan was often considered to be the more pop-oriented half of the Go-Betweens' songwriting team, but his work is also often tinged with sadness and melancholy, most notably "Cattle and Cane", a haunting rumination on aging and memory, and "Dusty in Here", written for his late father.

McLennan also excelled at marrying breezy melodies to world-weary, evocative words, crafting cerebral tracks that exuded a delicate warmth and depth of humanity rare in three-minute pop songs. The best examples of which are "Bye Bye Pride", "Bachelor Kisses", "Right Here", and "Streets of Your Town". Among other compositions for which McLennan will be most fondly remembered are the Go-Betweens' "That Way", "The Wrong Road", "Dive for Your Memory", "Love Is a Sign", and "Finding You", and solo tracks "Put You Down" and "Simone & Perry".

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Those recalling the impact of D. Boon's death in relation to this one are ringing true. The big difference for me is that when D. Boon died I felt quite alone. Few of my friends cared much, so I isolated myself with stacks of vinyl. This time, thanks to ILM, the Go-Betweens' message board, the assortment of links cited above, I feel part of a community. A community that mourns and curses, and makes McLennan's passing something significant and painful and worth sharing with each other.

By the way, I recommend re-reading as I just did Grant's and Robert's touching and witty song-by-song liner notes on the Anthology.

Taylor, Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Well said, Taylor.
To which Anthology are you referring? "1978-1990?"

Jim M (jmcgaw), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, the double-disk "1978-1990." Items like this make me smile:

"Bye Bye Pride"
Cairns is a lazy, small town full of boats and cane fields. It is also unbearably hot. An old army officer once said to me that the heat took away his pride. He then sucked loudly on the straw in his gin and headed out to the first hole. I was his caddy so I followed him.
—G.M.

Taylor, Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is D.Boon? Presumably I ought to check out..

Mippy (Mippy), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

D. Boon was the guitarist and lead singer for the Minutemen. They were excellent.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

D. Boon was such a unique talent. No one was like him, and no one ever will be like him. Grant was somehow more special, though. What he did, many people did, but few did it quite as well as he did (if that makes sense). This hits hard and hurts.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I've also always loved the liner notes to '78-'90, some of my favorite notes ever.

Hammer the Hammer
Too many late nights in St Kilda, Melbourne. An incomplete meditation on loneliness and violence, sometimes mistakenly thought to be about drugs. Recorded during a lull in the Birthday Party's "Junkyard" session. This was the last song we cut before moving to England. -GM

Bachelor Kisses
We came back from Christmas in New York having lost our record company somewhere along the way. I wrote this in immigration having been refused entry to the United Kingdom. The first person who heard the song was my sister. She said that Marianne Faithful should sing it. -GM

The Wrong Road
We lived in London for almost six years. I shared a dark flat with a painter and then a comedian. The painter was obsessed with grey. The comedian loved Tommy Cooper. This song fits somwhere between these two things. -GM

Cattle and Cane
Written in summer on a borrowed guitar in a Paddington bedroom, London. The other rooms were occupied by unconscious friends. The rhythm struck me as strange, the mood as beautiful and sad. The song came easily, was recorded quickly and still haunts me. -GM

Dusty in Here
This is a song about my father who died when I was four. -GM

Second-Hand Furniture
I had a dream about a divorced man who looked into a shop window and saw his old bed. I think it was snowing. The catalogue of objects was an ad lib. For some reason this song is popular in Stockholm. -GM

Don't Call Me Gone
I've always liked country music. This is a typical mix of pathos and sentimentality in the tradition of George Jones and Tammy Wynette. It comes close to pastiche but the Go Betweens seldom genre hop so this is what it is. -GM

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Really sad news. They meant a lot to me. RIP.

Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

A collection of videos here:

http://karimamir.blogspot.com/2006/05/rip-grant-mclennan-youtube-tribute.html

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there any info on cause of death? This is really really sad news....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Growing up in Perth in the 1980s had it's advantages.

Happily, east coast bands making a trek over to the UK (and back again) invariably stopped in Perth for a show or two, often in addition to any national tour they might happen to be on. Excellent news for fans of the Go-Betweens (and The Triffids).

Consequently, I was lucky enough to see them many, many times and they never disappointed. Memories of Grant plucking out the notes of Cattle & Cane under a single spotlight at the Shenton Park Hotel (also RIP) or of his and Amanda Brown's soaring harmonies in Bye Bye Pride or Streets of Your Town will be with me forever. His passing is such a terrible loss.

RIP G W McLennan

Theodore, Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link


A report here yielded this bit of information, which i hadn't known:

"The early line-up of the band that included Morrison, Forster, McLennan and his then partner Amanda Brown fragmented amid acrimony, but the four were reunited in Sydney several weeks ago where, said Morrison, they were able to resolve some of their differences."

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Gosh. I hope, at least, they were all able to put any longstanding stuff that had affected them on a personal level to bed at last.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

a tribute from a blogger: I turn to hold you, you're gone... fingers let go, I'm gone...

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost- yeah, my sense was that time helped. In the last couple years Lindy and Amanda (as well as Vickers) have posted to the GBs message board, which suggests some civility. I still wish they'd involved Lindy after they reformed (she was willing).

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I've read posts by Morrison, Brown, and ex-bassist Robert Vickers too. It seems like most of the acrimony was b/w McLennan and Morrison, who from the beginning developed an instant dislike, motivated (according to the David Nichols bio) by McLennan's jealousy: he resented Morrison for taking his best friend Robert away from them.

Most definitely they had a low-rent Aussie Rumours-type psychodrama goin' on.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve Kilbey has added a new and very moving post talking more about Grant and the first Jack Frost album. That was actually what I listened to this morning instead of anything Go-Betweens of him solo -- I think maybe the fact that it's more of a mediated effort makes it easier to listen to now, less of a sting of loss. And it is, much like Steve says, a great album -- Steve's own work, I think, constantly grows better out of his many collaborations, and I think he's right to think this one of his own best efforts based on who he was working with at the time. It's a striking and wonderful album and would be on its own without any context. But Grant had so much more, didn't he? It beggars easy description.

A strange day. I've had to concentrate on many other things, and I'm glad of that, but still...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

How woudl you describe the Jack Frost album(s) in relation to the rest of Grant's work, Ned?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Needless to say, if anyone wants to YSI a copy, I'd be most grateful :)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 7 May 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, I'm trying to remember if I wrote the AMG reviews or not!

*checks for the first album*

Ah, there ya go. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 May 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

And reading through that review, I stand by every word. It's absolutely wonderful and I'm kinda pleased to realize that Kilbey feels the same way about "Providence" that I do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Looks like I reviewed Snow Job. The AMG: allowing me to avoid repeating myself since 1998. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck this is awful :( :( :(

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

You sold me, Ned. I just ordered a used copy of the first Jack Frost album.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I just ordered the Jack Frost album too.

Jeff K (jeff k), Monday, 8 May 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

The first Jack Frost is a unique record (never heard their second effort) and I envy all of you who will be istening to it for the first time.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Monday, 8 May 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Indeed, you'll find it very striking, surprisingly dark and powerful. Listening to it this morning, I was moved at how modern it sounded, and not simply due to subject matter (given the original Gulf War context). I think Grant was pushing himself to try and embrace a sound where Steve was trying to embrace a style, and in both cases the result was 'what if we create 'modern rock' in a way that doesn't exist yet?' It stands the test of time without consciously trying to, and that's a fine legacy to leave, one of many.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"Finding You" was the surprise summer hit in Austria last year -- went top ten.

This is sad news -- my first exposure to the band was "Dusty in Here" when it was new; it stopped me cold, as few songs ever do.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Grant and the Go-Betweens become much more popular posthumously, sort of like what happened with Nick Drake.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i really would get unreasonably miffed if cattle and cane started turning up in car ads

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, don't want anyone hearing it who doesn't deserve to . . .

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure you're not alone with that sentiment. I'd just love to see their music be discovered by people 10, 20 years from now. I'd be unreasonably pleased if some sensitive 16 year old was listening to Cattle and Cain in 2016.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Sad news. RIP

daavid (daavid), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Just heard this news last night. Devastating. My memories of the two live shows I saw in London and Brighton are infinitely more precious now, and they were pretty precious before :(

Archel (Archel), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This has totally knocked me for six. A good companion on my headphones for years. Farewell friend.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone texted me this news last night but I haven't been able to believe it till now. I'm stunned. Grant (and Robert) kept an awful lot of us going throughout the 80s and actually made some of us think there might be some worth in that old guitar/bass/drums shit after all. I don't know, I'm kind of speechless. Bye Bye Grant.

Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

And I sincerely hope that a day of mourning is planned in Glasgow!

Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

there's some very touching comments from Robert Forster in this article

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19058067-16947,00.html

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Sad news. I guess this is the end of the second phase of Go-Betweens then..

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

geez .. that sucks. a lot.

damn.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

If someone can point me to a place to post a few MP3s, I have a recording I made of the last 1/2 of the 7th House show in Pontiac (mentioned a few times on this thread) that I'll put up somewhere.

I may put a few things up on Dime this week too, if there aren't already a ton of others.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

heart breaking news.

cw (cww), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Two days later and I'm still finding it hard to believe. The odd thing is I spent much of Sat before hearing the news talking about the GBs and listening to them; I was hanging out with a friend I met a few years ago through the GBs email list. Dave, were you also at the 7th House gig?

TRG (TRG), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw the Go-Betweens twice on what may have been their first US tour. New York City, right around New Years Eve 83/84, @ CBGB and Dunceteria, liked them enough to go back the second time and follow the rest of their career on albums that just seemed to get better and better. The one thing I really remember from those early gigs was how young and fresh-faced the bandmembers looked, esp. Robert Forster who appeared to be about 15 years old. Reading Grant McLennan's obituary 22 years later I couldn't help noticing he was two months younger than me. It's especially unsettling to lose a peer, but what a body of work he left us. Thank you and RIP.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd love if you posted some of that Pontiac show.... I hear that yousendit is the way to go, only change the file names to .txt to avoid the site's screening functions.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

TRG - The Pontiac show was the day after the CLE show where we all met up.. I got to the 7th House late though, so I sat in the back through the show & had to drive back to Columbus afterward - so I didn't stick around.

Here's Cattle & Cane from the 7th House.
http://download.yousendit.com/2401DE992BD823E4


Mods - my understanding of the policy is that anything we have recorded ourselves is OK to post here. This is technically an ambient recording of an hour of my life, with some music going on in the background. If that's taboo, please remove the link & email me.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

No worries, Dave. I can't imagine anyone complaining about it in this case.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Ned. Here's the rest* of the 7th house... (30Mb)

http://download.yousendit.com/DBC560E0147F6B36

(*that I have)

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

The tribute thread continues and grows ever more moving, and yet more well-known names are starting to appear (Luke Haines posted briefly). I like this post from a Brisbane writer, Noel Mengel:

As some of the readers here know I have been writing about The Go-Betweens for many years now in my work as a magazine editor and later as the music writer at The Courier-Mail in Brisbane.
I've been privileged to know Grant and Robert and to be present on the Sunday after their last Tivoli show in Brisbane, asking the questions for the DVD documentary section of That Striped Sunlight Sound. One of the many Go-Betweens moments I will always cherish. Here is a personal piece I wrote for this morning's edition:

I can't remember the first time I met Grant McLennan.
It might have been in about 1981 at the Basement recording studios in Roma St, Brisbane, where The Go-Betweens were recording.
I will never forget the last time we met, on Wednesday, at a film screening I hosted for the new Neil Young concert film Heart of Gold.
Introducing the film, I told my one paltry Neil anecdote: that I had interviewed him on the phone, found him sweet and kind, but on the afternoon of his Brisbane concert I actually walked past him in Edward St and, in shock, neglected my chance to introduce myself.
Grant chipped in: ``You should have.''
After the screening, I missed my chance to say to Grant what I had intended to: that after a year of listening I still stood by my five-star review of The Go-Betweens' Oceans Apart album, that it sounds to me as strong as any album I have heard in years.
I should have.
In numerous conversations and interviews I conducted with Grant, he was unfailingly enthusiastic about the arts, film, books, painting, music.
In his student years he wrote perceptive film reviews.
He was always mentioning that he had been to some exhibition or other, some book he had found, or would talk about two of his great loves; the music of Bob Dylan and the music of The Monkees.
Loving Dylan and The Monkees was not a paradox in his world, and it said something of the kind of songwriter he became, with his love of precise yet poetic language and sharp, memorable melodies.
If good reviews were dollars Grant McLennan would have been a millionaire. But his ability to write so many great songs, so many enduring songs, so many songs that cut so deep with so many people, is testament to his achievement, to the kind of life he admired and lived.
An artist's life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

David Nichols of the Cannanes and Ian Haug of Powderfinger/Far Out Corporation have also posted too. But of course it's hardly just about famous folks -- the many stories from fans or people who knew him as a good guy around town are all overwhelming taken in toto.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Dave. I was up front at the 7th House which would explain why I missed you that night. Remember meeting you at the CLE gig though (I've a recording of that one).

Reading back over the liner notes I posted above I paused at this one because it seems so similar to Grant's fate:
Dusty in Here
This is a song about my father who died when I was four. -GM

A friend just passed this along, it's short but good --
http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,19061372-5003421,00.html

TRG (TRG), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha Ned, you beat me to it!

TRG (TRG), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

(I recorded that CLE show - I have a better version than the one I treed out to the GBs list - I'll be putting that on DIME...)

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to live shows today ... I'm guessing that Grant is uncomfortable in his casket and the bright light at the end of the tunnel is in his eyes and he needs more of his guitar in his monitor because he can't see and he can't hear and he can't play if he can't hear.

Haha!

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, so true. it wasn't a show if he wasn't complaining!

TRG (TRG), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Go to yo la tengo's site and click on satisfied customer.

A month ago this made me smile and laugh, now i want to cry.

mr. jimmerson, Monday, 8 May 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I really don't know what to say, this is so unexpected. But I saw Forster and McClennan play back in 1999 in NYC and it really stands as one of the best nights of music I've ever witnessed. I was only slightly familiar with the Go-Betweens at the time, but I remember thinking that every song—every song—was incredible. The warmth coming from the stage and the audience was amazing and I really didn't want the night to end. It was one of the bright spots of a not-very-pleasant summer. Can't believe that there won't be any more Forster /McClennan songs or performances...But he certainly gave us a lot. RIP.

Tyler W (tylerw), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Good grief, I've only just started to explore The Go-Betweens wonderful catalogue. RIP & thank you for the music.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a feeling a lot of people will be checking out the Go-Betweens now and wondering why they never bothered before.

Jeff K (jeff k), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, Dave's Good Arm for posting the acoustic show. I'm stuck at work without any Go-Betweens / McClennan and it's doing the trick. Kinda hard to listen to, but great anyway. I always wanted Forster and McClennan to do a duo record (just the two of them, acoustically). Grant's songs in particular really shine in this format. I think a lot of his best songs they may have really tried to get "super-pop" versions in the studio (understandably, because of the great melodies). But a song like "Right Here" is amazingly good in its simple, acoustic form. Ugh, I'm depressed...

Tyler W (tylerw), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you so much for posting the live tracks. Cattle and Cane is just as beautiful as I remember it was.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

> I'm kinda pleased to realize that Kilbey feels the same way about "Providence" that I do.

Yeah, me too. The Jack Frost album is damn-near flawless, but even so, Providence is a stand-out. It conveys such a sense of deep melancholy, and yet isn't self-pitying in the slightest. It was also interesting and not at all surprising to learn after all these years that the sad, beautiful Civil War Lament was Grant's composition.

R.I.P.

Palomino (Palomino), Monday, 8 May 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Grant perform about 10 years ago - and he opened it up to the crowd to request songs. Someone asked for Providence. Grant said, "Ah, Providence" - It was almost as though he was melting at the very thought of such a great song. That's stuck with me ever since. The word Providence is now pronounced as "Ah, Providence".

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 8 May 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

if anyone's got "Providence" on their hard drive, I'd love to hear it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 May 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, oh, oh. I was just listening to BBC Scotland and they played a repeat of 'Boundary Rider' in session from last year and I was happy and then the DJ said "Grant McLennan rest in peace" and it took me a few moments to take in what he meant. I hadn't heard till now.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

media vita in morte sumus.

Lindy Morrsion, the drummer of the first incarnation of the Go-Betweens is quoted here:

She says McLennan, 48, was getting ready for a housewarming party on Saturday when he fell ill.

"He'd moved in with Adele, the bass player in the second version of the Go-Betweens, and they were putting up decorations and he didn't feel well.

"And he went to lie down and everyone left him for an hour to sleep, then tried to wake him as people were coming, and he had gone."

Apparently it was a heart attack.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

:-(

What can you do? If he had no history of trouble he probably didn't think much of it himself. At least he was at rest, and I can only hope it was as quick and as apparently painless as Nikki Sudden's own passing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Grant's father died young so my guess is that there was history in the family. And he smoked (French cigarettes no less) which couldn't have helped if the family history part is in fact true.

TRG (TRG), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Update on Billboard: Forster says Go-Betweens have made "their final album."

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002464163

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

It couldn't be any other way, could it? There will be no more Go-Betweens and there can't be. The story's told.

It would have been nice, though...just to have three more albums, even that. Six and six, as it were, a round dozen. Though I suppose with 78-79 and Very Quick on the Eye we had eleven already. Still not enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

What makes it worse is their last two albums showed them hitting a creative peak again. They certainly went out on a high note.

Jeff K (jeff k), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd guess the Australians would know this Steve Haddan feller, but in any event turns out he was a friend of Grant's and just posted a massive message on the thread. Worth a read.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

And almost right after that, this treasure from one Rebecca:

I went to see the Go-Betweens last year when they played at Hepburn Springs. We had booked both dinner and the show and my friends were running late so I made my way out to the bar to look for them and sneak a quick ciggie. Instead I saw Grant sitting at the corner of the bar, contently cupping a glass of frangelico with one hand while the other held a cigarette. I did a little bit of mental juggling about privacy and respect and intrusion but figured if he was sitting at a bar at his own gig he might not be too suprised if someone spoke to him. I approached him with my heart racing, aplogised for interrupting him and asked him if I could tell him a funny story. He smiled, asked my name, introduced himself(!) and said he'd love to hear a funnny story. I relayed a childhood adventure which, as I told him, was in fact more embarrassing than it was funny, and I could feel my cheeks burning hot with the rush of memory. I told him how over half my lifetime ago, when I was just fifteen years old and in love with the Go-Betweens music, my best friend and I had stayed at the same hotel as they had after one of their gigs. We were so in awe of them that we did not want to disturb them and spent the night in our hotel room, innocently enjoying the fact that it was enough to be close to them and we had managed to pull off a night away from home without our parents knowing! The next morning as they were leaving we rushed down the stairs and asked for their autographs. Robert was reading "On The Road" and did not want to be disturbed. Grant and Lindy chatted with us and signed a school book. I finshed my rather slighly stupid breathless account and was astonished to find that not only did Grant remember that day, he remembered the colour of our uniforms too. We then spoke of everything from politics, to boarding school, from surfing to the heat and light of Qld, about other languages we spoke and the places we had lived in. We smoked and drank till I was wobbly, I missed my dinner and my friends by by the time we had finished speaking my life was already changing.
Thankyou Grant for your gentle humour, your emotional generosity and your grace. Thanks too for getting me to Qld, onto a
board and over my fear of sharks.x

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

This posted on the Go-Betweens message board about an hour ago:

"Today I went to the website and read some of the magnificent tributes that have flown in for Grant. People for some days have been telling me of the beautiful things written there. And today I felt well enough and strong enough to go in and read. I thank you all. In time I shall read every one of them. I see familiar names scattered from our past. The vast majority I don't know. All of you Grant and I have met through our music. Your words and thoughts I find very, very moving. I sense the love and understanding for Grant and his music, and I take the support you send to me to my heart.

These last days I have Grant in my head. He talks to me in odd moments. I hear him... and I always will.

all my love
Robert Forster"

Niall, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

'time to time the waste, memory wastes'

A lot of melancholia and loss here amongst Brisbanians for whom these globe-trotting gents were the poets of our corners.

Graeme O, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

'time to time the waste, memory wastes'

A lot of melancholia and loss here, amongst Brisbanians for whom these globe-trotting gents were the poets of our corners.

Graeme O, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ally C - I remember that night too. I was lucky enough to be up there smoking that spliff with him, an absolute joy, what a lovely lovely man he was.
The first time I saw them play was The best gig I have ever seen: the Grant/Robert solo tour late 90's at a place called the Botanique in Brussels. It really made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, they played as if they were one...
I went with no expectations and they completely blew me away. I "got it" then.
Feel extraordinarily upset by this. Been playing his songs all day. Can't do any work.

Beggars have done a tribute putting "fingers" online: "http://www.beggars.com/news/fingers.mp3".

RIP Grant, you'll never be forgotten

Japhy Ryder, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, that is a beautiful piece in Stylus. Sympathetic and just in equal measure. Thanks.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you! It was immensely difficult to write.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Understandably. Ya did well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Praise thirded! Brings to mind those descriptions of their relationship as "platonic homosexuality," which neither GM or RF seemed to baulk at.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Kilbey's now added his thoughts about Snow Job, but also starts with an in retrospect heartbreaking story about the last time he spoke with Grant -- not that it was too sad at the time, but like I said upthread, you always think you'll have the time later to do something, which is what happened there. (Kilbey's on a pretty sharp tear this week, his follow-up post talking about his heroin hell of years back is brutal.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Partly because of recent changes to ilx, or at least my experience of it, I have only just seen this thread, and only heard the news last night on the Radcliffe show. He played a recent song - 'Finding You'? - then moved on.

The news was stunning, somewhat bewildering. The man was only 50% older than me. It seems particularly sad, perhaps, in that he was part of a partnership, which must now end.

I have not always shared the view of the Go-Betweens held by many others (including, for instance, people on this thread). Curiously, though, my doubts about them have often led me to listen to them more extensively and even intensively than to lots of other artists. Through the struggle to hear the alleged greatness, I have become fond of them. Just recently I had dug out the tape that Cook made me and played it over and over - I had to write to Cook and tell him, and revive that conversation. I nearly revived the old GBs thread yet again, to express awe at some magnificent moment - of which there were, to borrow a phrase from Elvis Costello, more than one or two.

the gofox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

32. you are a young man still, pinefox.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Just a quick note to say that Grant's funeral service is happening later today in Brisbane -- 1:30 pm Friday their time. In Los Angeles that's 8:30 pm tonight, NYC 11:30 pm, etc. As the note on the official page says:

"We encourage you to remember Grant at this time, wherever you are in the world. Thank you."

I plan on doing just that with a playing of "Dusty in Here" and a glass of red wine.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

And the various tributes on the thread continue, from all corners -- among more well known musicians, Tracy Thorn of Everything But the Girl had a marvellous story, Corin Tucker had some brief but moving thoughts while Guy Picciotto of Fugazi, much like me, felt that the news was 'like a punch in the stomach.' And the Pinefox's fave Lloyd Cole chimed in as well!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

TRACEY THORN (Everything But the Girl): reading through all these messages of love yesterday, familiar names kept leaping out at me. peter walsh, dave haslam, lloyd cole, edwyn and grace....must be edwyn collins, i thought, and all at once it was like being spun back thru time.
must have been about 1982 or 83. i was in my band the marine girls, and we got a dream gig supporting orange juice and the go-betweens. if i look up just to my left now, i have the bright orange poster still on my wall. thursday 31st may at the lyceum in london.
we turned up with our 2 guitars and tiny amps, probably at around 6.30 to do the gig. only to be greeted by furious soundcrew and management people, demanding to know why we'd missed our soundcheck. "what's a soundcheck?" we asked in all innocence. we'd never had one before. it took the kind intervention of edwyn himself to stop us being sent home there and then...
backstage in our dressing room (another novelty) we encountered the whirlwind that was lindy morrisson, who burst in demanding to borrow lipstick.
that night marked the beginning of a friendship with the go-betweens, and for the next few years they just seemed always to be there, and those amazing songs were part of the soundtrack. after some pestering on my part they even let me sing backing vocals on the liberty belle album, and after that, at every gig i'd always be singing along inside my head. "there's only one thing that precious..."

such a lot has happened to all of us since that night at the lyceum, hasn't it?
i was reminded of how much time had passed when i last saw the go-betweens play, maybe a year ago, at the barbican.
grant sang cattle and cane, and i had to swallow hard and blink a few times. i guess i always will when i hear it now.

this goes out with much love to everyone at planet go-between, especially robert.
and grant, we always knew you didn't steal that line about his father's watch being left in the shower. it was just a joke...!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I just listened to "Quiet Heart" and wondered why on earth U2 ever wrote "With or Without You."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow.

Orange Juice, The Go-Betweens and the Marine Girls all one one bill.

If only I had a time machine.

Jeff K (jeff k), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

some pieces from various Australian musicians and folks in memory of Grant

http://blogs.smh.com.au/entertainment/archives/club_metro/004542.html

m3ntal1st, Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Also from the tribute thread -- it's only signed as 'Martin' but context leads me to guess this is none other than Beggars Banquet head Martin Mills:

I got the news from Bob on the rainy saturday afternoon in England.While driving home, I was trying not to think of the songs.

Keep away from Cattle and Cane. Keep the bloody beautiful song from creeping into my head.

I have to play a record. Keep away from the old records. Play it safe.
Oceans Apart.Think of the time you and Grant went to Oceans Apart for a pint. I'll be fine.

No Reason To Cry and everything falls apart.Tears for Grant. Tears for Robert,Bob, Sharon, Bernard and all the Go-Betweens family.

Then tears for me. No more Grant songs.No more joyous happy shows with Robert.

I am priveliged and proud to have looked after and baby sat Grant's (and Robert's) songs for a quarter of a century.

Grant leaves behind an amazing and beautiful body of work that will be forever timeless.

Love Goes On !....

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Grant's death was devastating. Luckily, I saw the GoBs many times growing up in Australia. Their songs have had a special significance to me - kinda like a sountrack to the best years of my life. I always used to prefer Robert's more quirky songs to Grant's more radio friendly tunes, however, after listening to their earlier LPs recently I noticed that nearly all of their 'hits' were written by Grant - eg: Cattle 'n' Cane, Right Here, Streets of Your Town and their latest 'AM hit'. Grant's love songs were always amazingly constructed. Consider these great lines from Grant's break up song: Was There Anything I could Do?
"She came down from the mountains / Said goodbye to her guru / She went back to her room / Lost herself in voodoo / I can't say that I blame her / People don't know what they want..."
I would recommend viewing The Striped Sunlight Sound DVD which features many of these songs live and as accoustic versions.
To be honest I haven't felt as bad since David McComb from the Triffids died. Another of Australia's finest songwriters - check out his wonderful masterpiece "I Want to Conquer You" from his solo LP.
RIP Grant (and David)
Tony Slaughter

anthony slaughter, Friday, 12 May 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Had my own private remembrance by playing 1978-1990 and having a glass of red wine. Rest well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to Grant's songs from 16 LL.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got on The "Fools in Love" bootleg - 4/1/89 - Chicago - the very first time I saw them live - Man, they were incredible in that era.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm jealous. I was too young to see them then, got into them about a year or two later. The boots I have from that period are really good.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry - I can't help but picture these:
http://www.pulpvintage.com/pics/items/12000104A.jpg

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The song was "Cattle and Cane," not "Leather and Lace."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Wouldn't be surprised if Robert wore those in his cape period.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

haha!

(god-damn! The git solo in The House That Jack Kerouac Built ... That's what I always loved about the go-betweens - those 'one-note-ish' plinkety plink solos.)

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Since he was the band's nominal lead guitarist, I'd like to know what you pros think of his solos.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't, in truth, on the whole, think they're great. (Still listening again today.) But I am prepared to accept the view that their clumsiness is the point, or whatever.

The terrific instrumental break near the end of 'Cattle & Cane' is the best I can think of.

Raggett, could you post here what Lloyd said?

the gofox, Friday, 12 May 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Soytenly -- he said:

I can only speak for my wife and I, but this is terrible news. Robert and Grant were rejuvenated by the Rachel Worth record which is my favourite 'come back' record by anyone, ever, and serves as great encouragement for notsoyoung folk trying to make music.
I'm toasting Grant, alone in a Lisbon hotel lobby.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure if it's Grant, but the solos on "Spirit of a Vampyre" and the album version of "Man O'Sand to Girl O'Sea" rip.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

an older colleague - a guy one year older than grant, in fact - was asking about the go-betweens the other day after subbing our paper's obituary. he then went out and got "16 lovers lane" on the back of what he'd read. i think there's something oddly uplifting about this. the spirit lives on, and all that. or something.

we got francis macdonald to do an appreciation too, but for some reason it didn't go on the website. i'll try and swipe it from the library and post it here if anyone wants; i don't think francis will mind.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Farewell to a Go-Between now gone
Andrew Fraser
13may06

ROBERT Forster's songwriting partnership with Grant McLennan was forged 30 years ago over Earl Grey tea and scones, and he toasted his departure from this world in the same way.

At yesterday's memorial service for the other half of the songwriting partnership for cult band the Go-Betweens, Forster recalled how last Sunday - the day after McLennan's death - he had gone to St John's Anglican Cathedral in Brisbane.

At the end of the morning service, when the parade of high church pageantry walked out the door, Forster felt his songwriting partner go with them.

"Then this nice Anglican lady asked me if I wanted a cup of tea, and I had a scone with it," he said. "It was the same in 1978 at a house around (Brisbane suburb) Toowong where Grant and I had learned to drink Earl Grey tea, and that really constituted the beginnings of the Go-Betweens."

Among the 500 mourners at yesterday's memorial service for McLennan were fellow respected Australian musicians Paul Kelly and Ed Kuepper.

But significantly, the service was also attended by members of the next generation of Brisbane bands after the Go-Betweens, such as Powderfinger, George and Regurgitator. McLennan had played with them all during the 1990s.

Forster and McLennan started the Go-Betweens when they were students at the University of Queensland. They achieved success with songs such as Cattle and Cane and Streets of Your Town, which U2 singer Bono regards as one of his top three favourite songs.

They were described in some quarters as Australia's Lennon and McCartney, but they were never stars of the charts, despite attracting a cult following in Europe, especially Britain and Germany. The Times of London this week carried an obituary of McLennan.

Yet they always came home to Brisbane. Even at age 48, McLennan still lived in one of Brisbane's best-known share houses in the inner suburb of Highgate Hill.

The Go-Betweens had several changes in line-up over the years and band break-ups were often acrimonious, but other band members Lindy Morrison, Amanda Brown and John Willsteed forgave and forgot enough to attend yesterday's service.

Ian Haug, from Powderfinger, and current Go-Betweens bass player Adele Pickvance read Psalm 23, and McLennan's sister Sally started her eulogy yesterday by saying, "I really do recall a schoolboy coming home through fields of cane to a house of tin and timber", the opening lines of Cattle and Cane, which has been voted among Australia's 10 best songs.

Forster described not only the Earl Grey and scones but also McLennan's sense of spirituality and his "warm, open and generous" nature.

Then the casket containing his body was taken out the door of into the bright Brisbane sunlight, loaded into the hearse, and, for the last time, Grant McLennan travelled through the streets of his town.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

And there's this.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1637228.htm

They played "I'm a Believer" as people filed out, which seems perfect.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

His girlfriend read the lyrics from Jacques Brel's "If You Go Away" -- heartwrenching choice, but apt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Robert Christgau has a piece up at the Voice now. It ends nicely ewith this:
"Admittedly, McLennan's pick hit came early, in 1982: "Cattle and Cane," about childhood in the outback, shows up on many greatest-songs-of-all-time lists, including U2's. But now that he's lost his voice, remember 2005's "Finding You": 'What would you do if you turned around/And saw me beside you/Not in a dream but in a song?' Or 2000's "The Clock": 'But then the clock turns/And it's now/And its you-ou-ou-ou-ou-ou.'"

dan. (dan.), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I had missed that apparently he was going to propose to Emma P. at that party. Jeez Louise. :-/

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the only place I've read that.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I almost choked up again. I wonder how Robert held up..

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's one more obit, by my friend and colleague Justin Cober-Lake:

http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/060512-grantmclennan.shtml

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Interesting to read Paul Kelly pay tribute. It never occurred to me that Kelly would be influenced by the Go-betweens, but why not? I guess Australia, for its vast size, is really a small, tight-knit music community.

My Aussie relatives have never shown any interest in home-grown talent. Maybe for his birthday I'll buy my brother in law Simon "16LL."

My narcissistic reaction to the news (still sinking in) was that, as long as my own health holds up, every single musician I love and respect will pass in my lifetime. It's a sad, scary thought, incentive alone, I suppose, to find new bands and musicians to love and respect. Though few I imagine will be on par with what the music Grant made meant to me.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The Australian Senate passed the following resolution on Thurs 11th May in recongition of Grant and his work: (courtesy of Senator Andrew Bartlett from the Australian Democrats)

The Senate—

(a) notes:

(i) the loss suffered by the Australian music community and music lovers with the death on 6 May 2006, of Queensland born and bred songwriter and musician, Mr Grant McLennan,

(ii) the contribution made to music by Mr McLennan as a songwriter and performer over nearly three decades, which is highly respected and widely recognised as very influential,

(iii) that the song ‘Cattle and Cane’, written by Mr McLennan and performed by the Go-Betweens was named by the Australian Performing Rights Association as one of the ten greatest Australian songs, and

(iv) the significant inspiration that Mr McLennan and the Go-Betweens provided to musicians from Brisbane and beyond over many years; and

(b) conveys its sympathies to his mother, immediate family and past and present band members.

QB, Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

The stories keep coming on the tribute thread -- it moves me at how closely the band ended up intertwined with so many stories of domesticity, for lack of a better word. Lots of tales of relationships and love and children.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

September 1987 came around. A girlfriend and I caught the Go-Betweens live at a small venue in San Diego, as they promoted the release of (still) one my all-time favorite albums: “Tallulah” (which is the name of my daughter whom is soon to be born). At one point Grant invited the crowd to call out requests. My girlfriend and I participated in calling out “Part Company”, and of course “Bachelor Kisses”, to which he smiled and humorously replied, “Asking us to dig up the past. Unfortunately, those are a couple we haven‘t played in a while. I doubt we‘d be able to play them properly for you at this point“. What utterly surprised both me and my girlfriend is that after the show as we stood talking with friends, Grant actually came down into the crowd, approached me and my girlfriend, introduced himself and apologized for not being able to play our requests. I was amazed. It is one of the very few and rare moments that I have ever been undeservingly approached with immediate grace and reverence. He ultimately spent the next 30 minutes or so chatting with us. This wasn’t just some man whom is a musician, this was a man with admirable politeness & genuine stature. I remember his humor and laugh. I would catch several more of their live shows as the years went on.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, Senator Bartlett offers the best incentive to vote for the Democrats in quite some time!!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 13 May 2006 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

One last Kilbey post to note, talking about his reflections on the funeral service (plus some other stuff about Bush and Vonnegut that's worth a read). Fave bits:

the service was ok
a few too many messages from our sponsor, maybe
but it was ok

...

i had one of grants fave drinks a long island tea
which seemed to have 5 different white spirits in it
and certainly knocked me around
i met the moody and enigmatic ed kuepper
(and i hugged him!!)
what a gentlemen

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I just heard Darlinghurst Nights - I assume Robert will never perform that one again.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Sunday, 14 May 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
For those of you in or around San Francisco, I'm going to be participating in a Grant McLennan tribute show at the Hemlock this Wednesday (6/7). The lineup consists of members of Still Flyin' and Architecture in Helsinki. We'll be playing fifteen of Grant's songs.

http://hemlocktavern.com/prog_guide.php?

sheep sheet (serious sheet), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Robert remembers. It's a lovely tribute.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, a great comment from the message board from a fellow who talked with Steve Kilbey on the Church tour:

I asked him to talk about Grant which he was more than happy to oblige. He talked about working with him and what type of person he was. It was really nice to talk to someone who worked and knew him. Steve is very poetic and speaks with bravado at times. He lightened up the conversation saying, "Why did Grant have to go? He was such a gentleman. Why couldn't it have been Liam Gallagher?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

That was great, Ned. Thanks. Learning about Grant's inconsolable melancholy really floored me.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

What Alfred said. On a side note, it's interesting to see that Forster had been writing about music for that mag most months. Must surely have been his most painstaking contribution!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Grant really amazed me last summer at Seattle's Triple Door. He sang "Cattle and Cane" as if delivering one of Shakespeare's soliloquies. And with no trace of pretension, either.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 25 August 2006 08:05 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Just a quick revive here to note that the official band news page has some info:

* Tribute show in Brisbane on Nov. 30

* First Jack Frost album has been remastered/reissued with extra tracks

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
I finally (!) got Fireboy. The most uneven of his solo albums, but shit shit shit, "The Dark Side of Town," "Fingers," and "Riddle in the Rain" rank with his best.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

how hard was it to find Fireboy, Alfred? I just last year after Grant McLennan died was able to snag a copy of Horsebreaker Star, which I love. became quite obsessed with the Go-Betweens, too; "Darlinghurst Years" became my song of choice during a bad, bad time late last summer when my mother was dying. I like what Alfred said upthread about them being the best sort of cult band whose faults sort of melt away in the light of their considerable virtues; my take exactly; and I can only describe the experience of becoming a fan for life as like falling in love (corny, I know), where it just clicks and you get it. it's funny, all these people I knew died last year, some really close to me, and in my head I get it all intertwined with McLeannan's death and his music, and I'm afraid I feel worse, and better, about it now than when it all happened. That's what music of the Go-Betweens' and McLennan's caliber does for you.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

excuse me, Mr. McLennan, for spelling your name wrong just now, man I need a drink.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

hey edd: Fireboy is available at eMusic, if you do the download thing.

Roy Kasten, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link

edd, I found an extremely cheap copy on Amazon last week.

can only describe the experience of becoming a fan for life as like falling in love (corny, I know), where it just clicks and you get it. it's funny, all these people I knew died last year, some really close to me, and in my head I get it all intertwined with McLeannan's death and his music, and I'm afraid I feel worse, and better, about it now than when it all happened.

*shudder*. This suspicion only intensifies as I age. Hope you're ok, at least tonight, edd.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I'm fine. Music and film, especially, although I get it from literature and painting too, work on this time-travel principle for me so much of the...time. The Go-Betweens' best music addresses that sort of loss, it's almost in the bones of the enterprise. I'd always liked them--had been a fan of Tallulah and [/i]Rachel Worth[/i]--but somehow or other I got their style, their (sometime) clunkiness, which I read as the sincerity of artists who wanted to know the world, through travel, through their formalism, and through good old rock and roll band dynamics. So now I'm like a really huge admirer of their music. One thing death teaches you is how important art actually is. I'll look on amazon--thx Alfred and Roy (the latter who wrote a really great obituary for GM in No Depression that's still one of my favorite pieces of writing ever). Go ahead Roy, take a bow, you earned it.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Roy's article available?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think ND has it online. Edd: if you haven't read Alfred's piece in Stylus (far better than mine), go here:

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/pop_playground/didnt-know-a-heart-could-be-tied-up-and-held-for-ransom.htm

Roy Kasten, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Hard to believe it's almost been a year.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

And now, four years.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn. I've currently no Go-Between or McLennan songs on my iPod.

One of my favorite ILM threads, this. Lots of good writing, fond memories.

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I've currently no Go-Between or McLennan songs on my iPod.
Wha???

Jazzbo, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Peter Milton Walsh (he of The Apartments) posted a rather stirring tribute to Grant today:
http://rileyrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/may-6th-grant-mclennan.html

His observations on The Go-Betweens are equally fascinating:
What I liked most about them and the world of their songs, was its immaculate innocence. A childlike world, radiant with hope. Huge, huge hope. Daydream believers. In the howling chaos that seemed to be my life at the time, there was nobody like that. I’m not sure there ever had been.

doug watson, Thursday, 6 May 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

That's crazy, I broke out Before Hollywood on Thursday, and then the rest of the catalogue, first time I'd listened to them in ages. Was thinking about how sad it was to lose that talent, and I didn't even notice the significance of the date. His River of Money gets me more and more every time.

verhexen, Saturday, 8 May 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

My first thought when I saw this thread revived was that he wasn't dead anymore. :(

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 May 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Eternally missed.

Mule, Monday, 6 May 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link

will play "Dusty in Here."

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

Aw man, that'd bring real tears. It's a strange feeling having real emotions for someone you've never met.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 6 May 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

I write these words to his tune
that he wrote on a full moon
And a river ran, and a train ran, and a dream ran
through everything that he did

Mule, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link

oh dear

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

10 years. Sigh.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0sgi5uL2w

Mule, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:49 (seven years ago) link

Memory wastes.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 10:52 (seven years ago) link

Bigger-than-usual one of these tonight: http://www.bushhallmusic.co.uk/whats-on/events/6-may-16-this-nights-for-you-a-grant-mclennan-tribute-show-bush-hall/

(The one where Robert turned up and played some songs a couple of years ago was all-time for me.)

Tim, Friday, 6 May 2016 10:55 (seven years ago) link

I miss him, I miss this band. Going to be playing their stuff today.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 6 May 2016 14:04 (seven years ago) link

from Forster's Facebook page:

May 6, 2016. Ten years ago today Grant McLennan of The Go-Betweens passed away. A sad anniversary to mark, but necessary in so many ways, not the least because he was a great singer-songwriter and a wonderful friend. I think of him often; he is not someone who has faded - remaining close to me as he always will be, in memory and music. We knew each other for just over thirty years - for seventeen of them we were in a band, for the remainder of the time the friendship was just as important and central to us. Grant and I did a lot of talking together. Pitching ideas, making plans, swapping enthusiasms we had, and laughing. We were a force together. The sting to this day shall be strong as he died in Brisbane, The Go-Betweens were a Brisbane band, and today I shall be out in the city and tonight will sleep in it. Thinking of Grant. Warm greetings to all who read this, and have Grant firmly in their lives too. Hold on. Fond Regards. Robert.

tylerw, Friday, 6 May 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link

Beautiful tribute

Kitchen Person, Friday, 6 May 2016 14:12 (seven years ago) link

That tribute gig looks great. Can't believe it's been 10 years.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 May 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link

I'm afraid to wear my Grant McLennan t-shirt anymore because I don't want it to fade.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 May 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link

Lovely piece here

https://medium.com/@RyanMaffei/gentlemanly-melancholy-7ff32d02763f#.8ssrq56xz

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Is the book ever coming out in the US?

Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 03:12 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Steve Kilbey's compiled and selling 3 hours of Jack Frost performance and interview footage as a download via his Facebook. $20 bucks. Grabbing it in the morning as I imagine it'll be perfect accompaniment to early Xmas Day wine drinking and vegetating.

So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 06:02 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

I love this strummy alubm.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link

*album even

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Fifteen years.

Robert Forster remembers:

https://www.facebook.com/robertforsterofficial/posts/202652301677146

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 May 2021 03:39 (two years ago) link

Fifteen years since I wept at the passing of someone whom I didn't know personally. I now understand that I was grieving the end of the source of so much of the music that both defined and enhanced my youth. RIP Grant. Your songs were good company.

doug watson, Thursday, 6 May 2021 10:28 (two years ago) link

Coincidentally, I just bought his double album Horsebreaker Star after looking for it for a very long time. (It's not hard to find outside of the U.S., but I wanted a reasonable price for it since the U.S.-only single-disc version goes for peanuts, and I've been told that all but one of the excised cuts aren't really missed. I still wanted the original version though.)

I didn't listen to the Go-Betweens until well after Grant passed. Love them, wish I saw Grant and Robert on-stage when I had the chance.

birdistheword, Thursday, 6 May 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Happy birthday.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link


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