Stina Nordenstam

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well? should i like her stuff? why? why not? which ones?

gareth, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My absolute favourite is her cover album People Are Strange. Some amazing covers of Sailing, Bird on a Wire and Purple Rain. My personal favourite is I Dream of Jeannie with the Light Brown Hair. Apparently an old folk song, one of the fairy-tale kind. Her child voice which is a little like Rickie Lee Jones though less expressive and much darker is perfect for that gloomy beautiful song. I also liked Dynamite. The new one is more of the same and I got a little bored by her voice. It takes alot of stamina to sit through an entire album of hers with her own material. Very depressive and often not too varied musically.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't like People Are Strange so much because it turns Stina's qualities into a semi-gimmick ie. take song, add dark dirgey ramshackle arrangements plus doped-out Rickie Lee Jones vocals, stir and voila! Edgy, artistic cover versions (I've avoided the Cat Power release for fear of the same). Although that said, a lot of it is pretty good, particularly the rocking "I Dream Of Jeanie".

Dynamite is great, though. The combination of Stina's eerie vocals with such gritty, menacing arrangements (think post-punk similar to P.I.L.'s second album, but with most of the dub replaced by industrial found sound, subtle beats and shrill string quartets, and all slowed down to funeral procession speed) is fantastically chilling. Due to this thread I'm listening to it again, and bloody hell it's great.

Her lyrics and stories are excellently blunt and bloodless too - her indifference when she sings "I'll only smile the night I meet the man with the gun" is more goth than just about anything. (goth as a compliment, all you GOFF-HATAXoRs)

As for the earlier jazz-pop, leave it until after Dynamite - a lot of it is very good, but I don't know if I would have liked it if I wasn't already attuned to Stina. I haven't heard much of the new album, but I have a strange feeling that it will be much like Dynamite but less scary and/or compelling.

Tim, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(covers one is the only one i don't have. i'm still not convinced)

Should you like her stuff? No should about it, just try some audiogalaxied tunes, I'm betting Little Star will be top of the "sort by popularity" list and it's no bad start. I don't really know what sort of stuff you like yet, Gareth. If you hate winsome gurly voiced vocals, then you'll hate it. If you like melodic, jazz/bluesy, often riotous sounds then try it out. There's quite a range of sounds to her albums so at least *I* don't find her samey.

I personally care little for her very first album. New one hasn't really hooked me in yet, which Dynamite did eventually and And She Closed Her Eyes... did immediately.

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Haven't heard her later stuff, but the involvement of Bert Anderson both intrigues and worries me. I've got her first album which walks the line between twee and threatening just about right, though the jazzy backing does her no favours.

Much better is her collaboration with Greek keyboard behemoth Vangelis, Ask the mountain, which is everything Sigur Ros promised to be but aren't. i.e Ethereal, melodic, light, otherworldly.

Billy Dods, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"And She Closed Her Eyes..." is a wonderful record, but it might take some getting used to: first off, she has a love for Vangelis-type Blade Runner soprano sax, which I think is really cool because it's so completely unhip... but it can be borderline schmaltz. She seems really concerned with production and musicianship instead of just being a weird Bjorkish pixie. But that album just sends me, it's the sound of the North... "Memories of a Colour" is just okay, it finds her dwelling in Rickie Lee territory a little too much.

Andy, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I've been listening to And She Closed Her Eyes lately and damn, it's fantastic.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

she has a new one out?!!! whoopee!
also seek "to the sea" offa Yello's (yeh, i know but trust me on this one ) yello's "pocket universe" cd or get the cd single w/ 3 mixes of same tune from some collector scum outlet for money. Gorgeous, dark cinematic drum'n'bass tango w/ stina's whisper over the top. one of my all time faves

bob snoom, Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:28 (twenty years ago) link

she also did three or four songs as a soundtrack for some european film (the photographer's wife); apparently this was actually slated to be a golden palominos project but for some reason came out as stina nordenstam/anton fier. I have this if anyone wants a copy, it's impossible to find now.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 June 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

hey, anton fier? whoa, i know know him as having produced the Grapes Of Wrath's Now and Again album. that's some variety.

derrick (derrick), Thursday, 19 June 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Anton Fier has worked with just about everyone by now although the bulk of his work revolves around the Bill Laswell axis, most of which I don't have any time for. BUT each of the Golden Palominos albums has something to recommend them, I think. Maybe time for a Golden Palominos s/d c or d.

On topic, another vote for People are Strange and And She Closed Her Eyes. I didn't love her last album but I didn't sell it back so it's sitting around waiting to be re-evaluated.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:15 (twenty years ago) link

The song she did with Vangelis is also absolutely ESSENTIAL.

I have no idea what it's called, though.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

She sings on a couple of songs on Mew's Frengers album. Lovely.

Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

http://awts.8m.com/stina_ask1_pg.jpg

Vangelis & Stina Nordenstam - "Ask the Mountains"
from the album Voices (Atlantic, 1996)

And Yello's "To the Sea" is also on Danny Tenaglia's Back to Mine mix. Like bob snoom sez, it's good stuff.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

I like Dynamite the most because of the way the music works against her tendencies toward ethereality. The combination of those Rickie Lee Jones squawks with scratchy pseudo-industrial post-punk is fascinating.

Haven't heard the new one mind. People Are Strange is good in places but lacking in, um, songs.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 22 June 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't _People Are Strange_ all covers? If so (& I'm pretty sure it is), that's damn harsh, Tim. (smiley)

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 22 June 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

David, the explicit strategy of Stina's cover versions is to remove the song from the song and explore what's left, or bring something else to the table. I can see what she's doing and it's frequently quite interesting but also very hard-going in places, like Tilt but with the dark drama replaced by muted self-doubt. Often the problem is that the songs she's chosen aren't strong enough to survive the dismantling she performs on them (eg. well-known standards like "Sailing", "Bird on a Wire" and "Purple Rain" are totally unrecognisable); on Dynamite she writes her own songs with their dismantling in mind, which is why they work so well.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 22 June 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

I love both Dynamite and People Are Strange. The latter was my introduction, and it really blew me away in, what, grade 9 i guess? I was especially taken with 'Losesome Road', 'Reason to Believe' and 'I Came So far For Beauty'. For the life of me, I can't recall why I picked it up. I remember looking for her name, quite urgently, and going for the first album I found. Why, I have no clue.

Memories is passable, some good points, but not something i'm that strong on. The latest has yet to hook me at all.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 23 June 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...

she also did three or four songs as a soundtrack for some european film (the photographer's wife); apparently this was actually slated to be a golden palominos project but for some reason came out as stina nordenstam/anton fier. I have this if anyone wants a copy, it's impossible to find now.

Kyle, add this to the long list of things I want to burn off of you NOW!!!

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 03:17 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Hey, you guys. The whispering crowd looking at you askance over at www.seekyoudanger.com want to know why you aren't joining their discussion forum?

Rory Sullivan, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

Is that so?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

Is what how?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
http://www.seekyoudanger.com/images/world.jpg

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry the picture is so huge!

But yeah, I can't wait for October 11th.....

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Finally she is releasing a metal album!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I never saw adam's post up above. good thing I didn't sell that yet!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Rumour has it that Pluxus will do a remix on Stina's forthcoming single. No, I'm not kidding.

Kaiser of Köln (Kaiser of Köln), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? As a bside, or for the main single mix? The first single should be "Get On With Your Life", I believe.

Also, there is rumored to be an internet radio broadcast of the album in September on www.seekyoudanger.com

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

b-side, i guess.

Kaiser of Köln (Kaiser of Köln), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link

That poster is so cool. New Stina = excitement.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I never heard her most recent album - never even saw it in fact. Was it good?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Was that This Is Stina Nordenstam, or have I missed one since? This Is... is very good. It's her big pop album! Well... quiet, introspective pop album. Mitchell Froom produced, I think, and the contrast between his perky electronics and Stina's natural inclinations towards melancholy works a treat. One of the songs is called "Welcome To Happiness", and I've still not worked out whether it's ironic or not, vis a vis the album as a whole.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:31 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not ironic, Lex. There is an interview somewhere where she mentions it....

"This is" leans more towards pop and lo-fi then most of her work, but it's still really lovely.

Apparently the new album brings back some of the jazzier elements of her first albums.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 22 July 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently the new album brings back some of the jazzier elements of her first albums.

ooooh... i've always been a huge fan of and she closed her eyes, so i hope this is a good thing.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
the pluxus site, www.pluxemburg.com confirms they did a remix of "Get on with your life"

Paulr, Monday, 16 August 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

fwiw, the Pluxus site posted that same msg back on 7/26 and then mysteriously removed it

Avi (Avi), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I am in love with her.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

But will it be her grime album?

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Hopefully I will soon get my hands on her single featuring the Pluxus remix... stay tuned kids, stay tuned!

Kaiser of Köln (Kaiser of Köln), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Swedish Radio reportedly has the single and is playing it, but I still can't track down a recording. Official release in 09/15 and it'll be streamed from her site.

Avi (Avi), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

YES

OH
YES

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the single and both the original + the mix are v. good!

Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sharing is caring

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i love stina

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll share it if i remember to bring it home from work tomorrow!

Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hurrah!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i also love stina.

What does she sound like now? Is it really her metal album? mmm...

derrick (derrick), Thursday, 9 September 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

From what I have heard and read about the new album, it mixes the lo-fi guitar gloom of "this is" and "dynamite" with hints of jazz and chamber pop.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sonicmagazine.com/bilder/sonic18_omslag_liten.jpg

Hanna (Hanna), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I said it was a metal album based on the font

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(Oh, that's not the album, that's a magazine cover.)

Hanna (Hanna), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Her website was just revamped today. There is going to be a limited edition book (200 copies) full of texts and pictures (and possibly music) by Stina and her fans.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.seekyoudanger.com/fragments/

this is a request from the swedish singer stina nordenstam.

i am working on new material for my 7th album and want alien contribution. i want strangers to send loops, bits and pieces of non-musical sounds, documentary, everyday sounds - as well as beats. naturally it is potentially more interesting with sounds i can't associate to. the other thing i will be looking for is how the loops are constructed, put together. i don't want to be too specific as a lot of time the best is in the unexpected. so, i am not asking for any particular style. i want things out of the ordinary, with character, inspiring. in any way. i don't want songs. i don't want harmonies. i want construction pieces.

stina nordenstam

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Hot dang. Everyone get on that! (Hell, maybe I'll send my number snippet from Pi.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 September 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm totally going to flood her (ftp) hole with entries.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 10 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I would so love her if only she switched to a sort of benzodiazepamed style of metal.

ian g, Friday, 10 September 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

not the best audio quality, but here's the new single:
http://www.itsatrap.com/special/stina_nordenstam-get_on_with_your_life_mono.mp3

A friend of mine hooked me up with an album track as well and it's amazing.

Avi (Avi), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Danke!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Awesome... thank you.

Angie, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

an advance copy (11 tracks) has leaked

the todster (the todster), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw a copy of This Is Stina Nordenstam for the first time ever today, but for import prices. Should I get it? She looks nice on the cover.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked it from the one listen, I recall it being quite subdued.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"This is" is excellent. Basically, itt is like a poppier version of "People Are Strange".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

have we has a "This is..." general track-by-track discussion? ANyone fancy it? It's been turning up on my iPod a lot lately. Brett guesting vocals C/D? eek

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we've done it to death at the Stina messageboard, but not over here. My favorites are "Keen Yellow Planet", "Circus", and the big MIDI-horns DANCE hit "Lori Glory".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the bridge from the be-brett-ed Keen Yellow Planet right into Lori Glory is fun. Everyone Else in the World, and Clothe Yourself for the Wind stick with me too.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm, so it wasn't as subdued as I thought, then? (It's been a while since I listened in.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm almost afraid to hear it. Dynamite was one of those perfect aesthetic pinnacles for me, and while I like People Are Strange it's necessary for me to think of it as not being a "real" album.

Wow it's eight years since Dynamite. That was a fucking formative record for me in retrospect.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oddly i leapfrogged dynamite - must re-listen asap. Oh and Stations is grebt too.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The one-two punch of "CQD" and "Down Desire Avenue" was just mindblowing at the time (probably still) - the way it's simultaneously so restrained and so over-the-top. I didn't think it consciously at the time, but what felt lacking in People Are Strange for me was that overblown melodrama (except on "I Dream of Jeannie" maybe); without it the restraint tipped everything over into mutedness.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Dynamite is incredible, an emotionally exhausting record. Rachel Goswell from Slowdive/Mojave 3 has mentioned it as her favorite record of all time. "This Is" and from what I've heard of the new one coming out maintain the ethereal edge, but it is more of a lo-fi dirty pop mode. Her aesthetic might have slightly shifted, but I still find it affecting.

On another note, Stina is one of the few artists where I often have to emotionally prepare myself to listen to.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw a copy of This Is Stina Nordenstam for the first time ever today, but for import prices. Should I get it? She looks nice on the cover.

When I visited the UK about seven years ago, this was one of the things I specifically searched out (The Vulgar Boatmen's Opposite Sex being the other). I have listened to it once, maybe twice the whole way through. If I didn't go all that way for it, I'd have sold it a long time ago. Personally, I think it lacks the production that made her next one so special. The songs are kinda, eh. Download it.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

MENTALISM

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

what was the next one?

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"The World Is Saved", which is out on October 11th via Stina's own A Walk In the Park Label. Being distributed by V2.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

what was the next one?

and she closed her eyes

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank, you are OUT OF ORDER. Please wait until you are called to speak ;)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, let's see here... i posted with a reference to "the next one". you posted your response. Jaunty asks "what was the next one?". I responded. so, uh, fuggov.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I was referring to the fact that "And she was closed her eyes" was released 7 years before "This is".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I am assuming you meant "And She Closed Her Eyes" was the next one you bought.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

correction: my story refers to Memories of a Color. i will now fuggov.


frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oo, memories is, ahem, a bit forgettable.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

adam loves it!

it took me a long time to warm to This is; I was disappointed when it came out, but when I went back to it a year later with fresh ears I found more to like. It's much more pop in many ways. I didn't even realize until yesterday that was Brett Anderson on it.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I am liking the new record a lot.
Here's a new track: http://www.itsatrap.com/special/stina_nordenstam-parliament_square.mp3

(the other one is now taken down)

Avi (Avi), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

!

Thanks

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, she seems to have stolen the saxophone I used on my ILX comp song

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

get the new album here while you still can

the todster (the todster), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never actually seen copies of 'This Is...' or 'Memories...'; I quite like them both on download. 'Memories..' is her weakest, but it's nice enough to own. If anyone is looking to get rid of either, send me an e-mail; i'd be happy to do a trade or something.

I'm tempted to hear the new album now, but I'm going to wait until I buy it. I'm going to buy it, regardless, but I've realized how unhappy I am when all the albums I want to buy I've already heard. There's just no excitement in that. I trust, of course, that I'll be able to find the album when it's out... maybe I'll just bring my Stina list to Scratch and get them to order everything.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 18 September 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

To reiterate: I fucking love Dynamite.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
You can stream every track from the "The World is Saved" as well as see the video for "Get On With Your Life" over here:

http://www.v2music.com/site/audioVideo.asp?avType=11

(scroll down to "S")

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 24 October 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I can't stress enough how great The World Is Saved Is, much much much better than This Is... in my opinion. It's pretty much the album I've wanted from her ever since Dynamite - dark, lush, involving, ornate. It proves as well what I'd long suspected, which is that she is one of the most interesting arrangers of pop music around - this album sounds like Pram meets Siouxie & The Banshees circa A Kiss in the Dreamhouse meets Maxinquaye with added orchestral instruments. The last bit is key I think - Stina's music sounds best when it is arcane and a bit antiquarian, because it gives her vocals some sort of contextual framing that makes them much more interesting.

The combo of "From Caymen Islands With Love" and "The Morning Belongs To The Night" is particularly affecting.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

What label is it on, and is there an upcoming canadian release date that I'm not aware of? It's nowhere in town yet :(

derrick (derrick), Monday, 8 November 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Glad you like "The World Is Saved" Tim (although I figured you would, being a Dynamite fan).

The arrangements on the album are spectacular, clearly the best in her career so far. The string quartet pieces are definitely one of the main attractions for me, it's almost as if she is reinventing "Dynamite" in neoclassical form.

Derrick it is on Stina's own label, and is being distributed by V2 in Europe. No North American release planned as far as I know.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm astonished that it was released here in Australia actually, I think it may be her first album to get a release here since Dynamite (and I can't be sure I didn't buy *that* on import when it came out).

"The arrangements on the album are spectacular, clearly the best in her career so far. The string quartet pieces are definitely one of the main attractions for me, it's almost as if she is reinventing "Dynamite" in neoclassical form. "

What I find interesting is that despite this reinvention it still sounds a lot like Dynamite (only without such an explicit post-punk vibe) or a more melodic, big budget version of People Are Strange - you'd think that with such a strong string quartet presence and so many jazz affectations the music would sound much closer to, say, the fuller pieces on And She Closed Her Eyes, but i think in the last ten years Stina's honed her arranging skills into such a distinct and purposeful weapon that she now rarely if ever sounds like she's performing in a particular style or genre.

Also, the press release says this is an upbeat record but in truth it is, as one would expect from Stina, a deliciously melancholy affair.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, this album is amazing. Tim otm re: arrangements; it's very obviously a progression from This Is... in that Stina seems to have based the general sonic feel on a lusher, more muted version of what Mitchell Froom did on This Is..., which she didn't always sound comfortable with. The World Is Saved is almost like the obverse of Dynamite (or maybe Dynamite is its evil twin) - there's the same paranoia, melancholy and fatalism, but the music flows rather than grinds.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah i should note that I do like This Is... which is in its own way just as interesting and multi-layered, but it frequently sounds like an uncomfortable record, and not in that it's unsettling but rather in that frequently the elements of the songs seem to be pitted against eachother (eg. the grain of her vocal and the arrangement won't match), and the result can sound either sound jarring or self-conscious. My favourite moment on that album is probably the chorus for "Trainsurfing", which is one of the few moments where the music just seems to take off, and loses its sense of itself as a song-construction. By comparison The World Is Saved seems to have several such moments.

Dynamite did this too, for all its grinding, and my favourite tracks on that album are similarly the ones that feel like they could go on forever - the title track, "Almost A Smile', "CQD", "Down Desire Avenue". Listening to that album agian, what leaps out at me right now is how the guitar is actually rarely particularly physical, for all its buzziness: it's the grain and the texture of that dirty guitar sound that Stina's focused on. The guitar is actually the most "soundscape" like aspect of the music, allowing the strings and the slow-groove rhythms to give the songs body and momentum. I think this is part of what makes them sound so compelling - the songs sound like they've been sculpted out of raw material, rough-hewn rock. The World Is Saved shares that feel, although it's softer, perhaps earth and clay.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I love This Is... despite its occasionally jarring moments - possibly because it was just so odd to hear Stina, of all people, attempting a shiny pop album. I mean, "Lori Glory", wtf!

That's exactly why I feel Dynamite is the more pertinent comparison for The World Is Saved, even though it's soft-focus and easy on the ear like This Is...: most of the time, when the melody and the voice and the instruments all gel, there's a real sense of musical unity, whereas with This Is... youwere always aware of the disparate components to each song. Which I suppose goes back to what you were saying about Stina's arrangement skillz - I can't remember if she produced Dynamite or not? Even the most This Is...-esque song on The World Is Saved, "Butterfly", sounds very natural, while the best songs - "Parliament Square", "From Cayman Islands With Love" just take that to another level.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Dynamite was self-produced. It's quite amazing to think that it came out only four or five years after Memories of a Colour.

I actually expected This Is... to be more pop than it turned out to be (as I only got it about a month ago, if that) - "Lori Glory" is a big exception obviously.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I am utterly, ridiculously in love with "On Falling".

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that so many of ILM's pop converts love Stina. Surprised but pleased!

Yeah "On Falling" is marvellous, although I think I probably adore everything except the last track (and even then I like it).

I think The World Is Saved will actually help me fall in love properly with This Is - I think my first few listens to the latter were fringed with nervousness that Stina seemed to be moving away definitively from the things I loved in her earlier work, whereas now I can appreciate it for what it is.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, This Is... is massively pop compared to Dynamite, and "Lori Glory" is just mind-bogglingly so. I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet.

Stina's the indie hangover from my pre-pop days!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to periodically listen to just "Everyone Else in the World". i only just noticed this now. I was in the middle of listening to World is Saved just now, and had to go back to it again. she does this a lot, gets her hooks into you by stealth

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

" I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet."

Oh, you have to hear And She Closed Her Eyes. If you find "Lory Glory" unusual wait till you hear her do upbeat love songs! "Hopefully Yours" and "Something Nice" - both really beautiful. It's a gorgeous record actually, a bit jazzy and folky but not as slight and genre-bound as Memories of a Colour. I can understand why it's a lot of people's favourite. The hushed harmonies in "When Debbie's Back From Texas" alone are enough to die for.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "Lori Glory" pretty much IS an upbeat love song. I will obviously acquire ASCHE in the future, it's been on the cards for a while.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hopefully Yours" is just swoonily romantic, and the lyrics are performed so brilliantly: "And I can't go on like this is not a way of telling you to be mine.... be mine" (that last bit sung so tentatively!).

I just listened to This Is and it sounded solidly great for the first time. I like it when ILX can change my reactions like that.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, it was only actually AFTER hearing The World Is Saved that I could pinpoint exactly what was awkward about This Is... - I still love it though, especially after Alan reminded me of "Everyone Else In The World".

Stina's delivery of her lyrics has always been exquisite - possibly something to do with the natural pitch of her voice being one which is more normally associated with drama and high emotion, but the timbre being very deadpan and low-key. I can't think of anyone else who does deadpan in such a high pitch.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I used to find it interesting how Stina would be bracketed with Bjork, when in many ways they're polar opposites as vocalists.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't complain about it as it was that comparison which made me check out Stina in the first place, but it's very lazy. Sometimes it seems like any woman whose voice goes vaguely high, or is Scandinavian, is compared to Bjork.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

For some unknown reason, I lost track of her after the second album.

Speaking of vaguely elfin-sounding divas: has Anja Garbarek done anything since Smiling and Waving?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Anja Garbarek! I own Smiling And Waving - it's magnificent. Far more similar to Stina than Bjork, too. I don't know if she's done anything since.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG Andy you have to get "Dynamite" it would be your favourite album EVER!

"The World Is Saved" too, but I suspect "Dynamite" first and foremost.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG Tim I'm listening to Dynamite NOW! Loving the rusty edges.

Who else is making records remotely like these people?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Andy do you have some sort of home delivery system or what?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ze Zwedishen ist Zuper.

Holga from germany. Or is it Switzerland?, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Andy K is on the global frequency.

And he raises a good question - who is making records even remotely like Dynamite et. al.?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a prototype of the fully-loaded iPod.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

AKA "Hey Heather, would you mind running down to the archive for me?"

No North American release planned as far as I know.

*grousegripe*

Dynamite is the one other album of hers I still don't have, I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

eBay is your friend, Nedward. Also, I could be persuaded to make it available to you, if you so desire (and if I can find it).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

eBay is your friend, Nedward

Good lord no. (Had I ever fallen to an eBay addiction, I would be in a sorry state.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I am a huge, longtime Stina fan, and yet I cannot stand This is.... Am I wrong?

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, you are wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

but you like Suede!

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Precisely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

when was the last time you actually listened to This is?

Honestly I had no idea this was Brett Anderson until you told me. I still barely notice him on those two tracks. "Everyone else in the world" is easily one of her best song.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The Lex is very OTM re: Stina's high pitch deadpan. It reminds of a Thom Yorke quote I never fully believed: "You often have to sing unemotionally in order to sound emotional". Stina has this incredible way of projecting dramatic apathy; it often sounds like she is on the verge of collapsing and yet she couldn't be more comfortable in that position.

I have a bit of a soft spot for "This Is", because it was my first Stina record, but it does seem a bit too self-conscious in places. I have a feeling the bsides were kicked off the album because they were over 3 minutes long. I do love how the cheap MIDI saxophone riff on "Lori Glory" is nearly morphed into something meaningful by Stina's downtrodden vocals. The same transformation happens with the cheap synthesized acoustic guitars on Michael Mayer's "Slowflood" (although that is more due to the arrangement).

"This is" also has Brett Anderson sounding more dignified than 90% of his material post-Dog Man Star.

"And She Closed Her Eyes" and "Dynamite" are two of my favorite albums from the 90s.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

that saxophone on Lori Glory is such a Eno/Bowie rip off (it's straight off of v2 Schneider)! I love it!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling the bsides were kicked off the album because they were over 3 minutes long.

B-sides? I didn't even know there were singles! What are the b-sides like?

I went back to This Is... and Dynamite last night and fuck me, they're both superb.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Sharon and Hope's first two lines always sound a lot like Walk Away Renee to me. I'm ok with it, but everytime I get disappointed, because Sharon and Hope's chorus is so much weaker.. :(

derrick (derrick), Monday, 22 November 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Ok, again, I'm really enjoing The World Is Saved, and Tim is OTM re: Stina's arranging skills. It does work as a counterpart to Dynamite, but in an evolutionary sense; Dynamite feels like a rough, amateurish sketch(i do love it, still) for the songs on TWIS, in comparison. This is surely her masterpiece to date.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"rough amateurish sketch" - hmm yeah on the one hand this is one hundred percent correct, but on the other... songs like "Dynamite", "CQD" and "Down Desire Avenue" strike me as really virtuouso in the arrangement department - rough, yes, but absolutely voluptuous at the same time. If anything I wish The World Is Saved had more moments like these, moments of unabashed surround-sound maximalism. The two which most fit the bill are my two favourite tracks - "From Cayman Islands With Love" and especially "Morning Belongs To The Night", which I'd say is perhaps the most accomplished, flat out impressive thing she's done.

People who like those might like a lot of the darker songs on Lhasa's The Living Road album, although Lhasa is pretty much the opposite of Stina vocally.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 January 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I used to find it interesting how Stina would be bracketed with Bjork, when in many ways they're polar opposites as vocalists.

People who like those might like a lot of the darker songs on Lhasa's The Living Road album, although Lhasa is pretty much the opposite of Stina vocally.

well, which is more accurate?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd forgotten that earlier comment! Stina is the opposite of a lot of people actually, in that she deliberately subtracts a lot of the emotion and expressiveness from her vocals. Lhasa's voice is deep and full whereas Bjork's is high (and thus closer in pitch to Stina) but Bjork is probably more OTT than Lhasa - who is melodramatic in a different way.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a few moments of that grand sound on People Are Strange too, if I recall correctly, nestled in Like A Swallow, I Dream Of Jeannie, and Reason To Believe, but it still sounds relatively embryonic. TWIS is a confluence of the warmth and lushness of PAS with a more developed dissonance taken from Dynamite. This Is... is the odd one out, sitting more with the first two albums in terms of uncontinued ideas. TWIS is a much more natural follow up to PAS, for me.

I used to love Dynamite a lot, and it really hit me hard in, oh, 1999 or so when I first found it. Since getting into TWIS, I'm less enamoured, somehow. Maybe it's just less striking now. It's still a phenomenal album, just less monolithic, I guess.

re: vocals, yeah, it's a constant understatement. she's developed it over time, too; Memories of a Colour, while still nowhere near the operatic grandstanding Bjork is famous for, is much more conventionally expressive. She's become more deadpan with each album since, I think, and it's worked better and better, maybe less so on This Is....

derrick (derrick), Monday, 3 January 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
03 stina nordenstam - the things you said.mp3
01 stina nordenstam - i could still (be an actor).mp3
16 freddie wadling & stina nordenstam - v?landsvisan.mp3
14 vangelis & stina nordenstam - slow piece (128kbps).mp3
15 vangelis - ask the mountains (extended version).mp3
07 stina nordenstam - dynamite (soundtrack mix).mp3
09 zbigniew preisner with stina nordenstam - for you.mp3
11 stina nordenstam - people are strange (unkle remix).mp3
06 mew feat stina nordenstam - her voice is beyond her years.mp3
05 stina nordenstam - greetings from the old.mp3
02 stina nordenstam - now when i see you.mp3
13 fleshquartet (vocals by s nordenstam & tim wolde) - someo.mp3
04 stina nordenstam - treat me nice.mp3
08 stina nordenstam - first day in spring.mp3
10 yello with stina nordenstam - to the sea (radio version n.mp3
12 stina nordenstam - little star (be zet wireless edit).mp3

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Are those all her rarities, Skilla?

The new(ish) album is fantastic. That is all.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

yes.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I love that epic ambient remix of Little Star.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Here's a rare interview with Stina from last year:
http://www.desireavenue.com/spec/singing/

Great reading.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"The World Is Saved" has now been released in the U.S. with three good bonus tracks: "Failing to Fly," Get On With Your Life (Pluxus Mix,)" and "The End of A Love Affair (Faultline Remix.)"

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm, waiting a bit might have been the right idea!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

NICE!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

great

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Even nicer for you David, as a quote from your review made it to the album cover.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

DAVID LOVES STINA

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU ARE SHITTING ME

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheh, the power of Pitchfork.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried to order this via GEMM when it was released, but got ripped off. So, hurrah.

It's a shame all of her records aren't released in the States. Really an underrated artist of the last 15 years. Everyone I've ever played her for has liked her--and non-music-freaks like my sisters recognise her from the 'Romeo + Juliet' soundtrack, apparently, and like her, too.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Not shitting you man!

xpost

Michael "Not very Quotable" Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

'The World Is Saved' is easily my favourite album from last year.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

goddamn you US bonus tracks!

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

aaargh bonus tracks!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

oooh, i will get this

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
This is still a perfect winter album. I love it greatly

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Saturday, 5 November 2005 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

It is almost THE perfect winter album.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Saturday, 5 November 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't recall any other album of this decade that has kept me interested and charmed for this long.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Saturday, 5 November 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i just started listening to it in the past week again too.

note cold snap in england.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 5 November 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Just dl'd this last week. I really happy she's released a decent album again. I don't know if ten years can ever be "worth the wait", but I'm glad anyway.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 5 November 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(I like parts of the previous three, and Memories, but find them a bit tedious the whole way through.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 5 November 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I came around massively to This Is Stina Nordenstam, which I only managed to find just after The World Is Saved was released, and which sounded very slight in comparison initially. I now fairly love it. But... The World Is Saved is truly exceptional. Especially "Morning Belongs to the Night"!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 5 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

'This Is' is still my fave by a long ways. 'The World is Saved' is ok, but doesn't hit me quite as much.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 5 November 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

note cold snap in england

It was 18 C here on Wednesday, it's been unusually mild for this time of year.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 5 November 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

is one of her tracks playing in a current Orange phone advert? if so what's the track?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 November 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

joanna newsom "this side of the blue"? her singing on that songs a lot more er restrained than usual

zappi (joni), Sunday, 6 November 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks zappi. i've never heard Newsom.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 November 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Listening to 'People Are Strange' right now; I forget how gorgeous the tempo and pacing is on this album. A wonderfully warm sound, too. 'Like A Swallow', 'Came so Far for Beauty' and especially 'Reason to Believe stand out for me.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 31 December 2005 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to 'People Are Strange' right now; I forget how gorgeous the tempo and pacing is on this album. A wonderfully warm sound, too. 'Like A Swallow', 'Came so Far for Beauty' and especially 'Reason to Believe stand out for me.

I think this is her most underrated album, and from time to time I think of it as her best. "Reason to Believe" and "I Dream of Jeannie" are two of the most gorgeous things she's ever produced. It's a less fragile record than And she closed her eyes and seems better-constructed than Dynamite. And few albums can touch it for sheer imaginative deconstruction of other people's songs.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 31 December 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
C-90.

And she closed her eyes
Another Story Girl
Clothe Yourself for the Wind
Crime
Dynamite
First Day in Spring
Get On With Your Life
Greetings from the Old World
His Song (...or at least the first 2:00)
I Dream of Jeannie
Keen Yellow Planet
Little Star
Memories of a Color
Murder in Mairyland Park
Now When I See You
People Are Strange
Proposal
Purple Rain
Reason to Believe
So Lee
Stations
Trainsurfing
When Debbie's Back from Texas
Winter Killing

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 2 October 2006 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Word is that a new album is expected in 2007.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 04:35 (seventeen years ago) link

possibly with "as heard on the washing machine ad" all over it.

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember the last time I saw a washing machine ad.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Finally listening to The World is Saved. That took me long enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

You're such a Ned.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it's so right that it seems this thread is always bumped every winter!

lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

You're such a Ned.

Completely!

it's so right that it seems this thread is always bumped every winter!

Yeah, I'll go with that. Even better that today is gray here (it's been mostly sunny all week).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

she also sings on one track on the new nine horses ep I think, which is part new stuff, and partially remixes of stuff from the album. I think.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a huge, longtime Stina fan, and yet I cannot stand This is.... Am I wrong?
Must say I've always loved This Is... lots more than the apparently universally-adored-on-this-thread Dynamite. That I've always found kinda hard going, for me. But maybe I'm "wrong" as well :)

...Dream of Jeannie with the Light Brown Hair. Apparently an old folk song...
Ain't exactly a folk song, allegedly. According to olden chronicles, 'twas written by one Stephen Foster (1826-1864), author of also "Oh! Susanna", "Old Folks At Home" and other popular faves of yore.

tiit (tiit), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Nine Horses EP:
http://www.discogs.com/release/799675

Remix of "Wonderful World" duet & "Birds Sing For Their Lives" is Stina solo. Very elegiac, reminds me slightly of Murcof.

xcixxorx (xcixxorx), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Reminds slightly of Murcof?!
Oh boy. Must get teh Horses EP then, uhuh.

tiit (tiit), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I would love a new Stina album this year.

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
I heard the Knife have covered Stina's "Soon after Christmas" live, has anyone heard it?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.stinanordenstam.com/ is the new website, soon to be updated. V2 has said there *will* be a new album this year.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

'This Is' has always been my fave, followed by the covers record. 'The World is Saved' might even come before 'Dynamite,' though I still think of myself as digging that album.

I'd love to see her collaborate with The Knife. Hmm. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Went out and purchased a Fleshquartet album on the strength of some track I heard way back in the day on 120 minutes. Remember loving the track, which may or may not have been called "walk" but not really caring for the album.

Antony Holt (ant), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd love to see her collaborate with The Knife. Hmm. . .

The Knife remix of "Parliament Square" is basically a collab.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Saturday, 3 February 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Well, memories of a color may not have that darker edge that makes her later work so good, but give her her due, every artist has to start somewhere, and for my part, i have to say, "another story girl" can still reduce me to tears faster than any other track i've heard from her yet. The woman is a goddamned genius, and she keeps getting better with every new album. My friends have been giving me sideways looks for the 10 years i've been listening to her, but they're just now starting to get into the swing of her music. And what's up with all the "diehard" stina fans not liking "lori glory"? So many posts say that "the great thing about stina, is that she ignores convention, she breaks the rules" yet when she breaks her own rules, they suddenly can't take it. Every post i've read about that track has been negative, not one that i've read so far has said anything good about it, which i think is a shame. Isn't the fact that she is not only gutsy enough to stand against the world, but also against herself, the hallmark of a true artist? I really wonder just how many of her fans can understand her from this perspective. And it's not just ethics, that song is aesthetically, lyrically, rhythmically magical. It's like Bowie, but the sex change worked this time. The warmth, the energy, that rebound inside that song, are a wonderful thing to hear from someone who so clearly lives in a darkened world. If she was your friend, wouldn't you be overjoyed to hear a moment of such brightness, when all else you'd heard showed so little of the sort? Well, that's how it is for me. And god only knows what rabbits she'll pull out of the hat with the next album. Here's to our generation's most misunderstood genius.

richarquis, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"I heard the Knife have covered Stina's "Soon after Christmas" live, has anyone heard it?"

OMG WTF etc. dere internets sort this out now. kthxbye

Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i love stina

those understated vox really lend a sense of claustrophobia to the songs - you can really get caught up in her music

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

oo i found a preview of that parliament sq remix

Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

seriously, 'the world is saved' is a total gem. the sort of record i can really sink my teeth into. static and restrained with something really penetrating beneath the surface. is serving as a nice companion record to joy division's 'closer' for me these last weeks.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 10 January 2009 02:59 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

i find it difficult to imagine people having trouble listening to her albums from start to finish. for me they establish an arresting mood very quickly and don't let go from there. they sustain a constant mood for certain, but i think that's pivotal to keeping things measured and compelling throughout.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Where's another album already.

Tim F, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha I was hoping this revive would be announcing such news...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Ditto ...

djh, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

OK, my turn here... Hadn't heard a single thing she's done until The World Is Saved finally arrived at the top of my unlistened stack. WTF was my probably in waiting so long...

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 June 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

WTF was my problem I mean

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 June 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

she also did three or four songs as a soundtrack for some european film (the photographer's wife); apparently this was actually slated to be a golden palominos project but for some reason came out as stina nordenstam/anton fier. I have this if anyone wants a copy, it's impossible to find now.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:12 PM (7 years ago)

weird that virtually nothing is known about this project aside from speculation based on the cover info. two of the tracks are listed as Descendence remixes and the other as a Microman remix, so I wonder if the original versions are out there somewhere. it's possible that it wasn't meant to be a soundtrack at all and just has a misleadingly cinematic title, cf. the Olivia Tremor Control's Music from the Unrealized Film Script... album.

one film that Stina really did score was Jean Claude, a 2002 Swedish television documentary about a homeless Parisian man. it's interesting (to me) that a few tracks from The World Is Saved ("I'm Staring Out the World", "The World Is Saved", "Morning Belongs to the Night", and the bonus track "Failing to Fly") originally appeared on that soundtrack in slightly unfinished form. while a lot of the rest of the material on The World Is Saved veers toward trip-hop (or fairly modern indie pop, anyways) and has semi-narrative lyrics about adultery and postcards and turning into butterflies, those tracks have always stood out for me as being really organically/classically arranged and lyrically abstract, and I wonder how an entire album of that kind of material — or even a double album with one disc of "I'm Staring at the World" sounding stuff and another of "Butterfly" sounding stuff — would have turned out. brilliant, possibly.

I just wish she'd release the handful of songs from Jean Claude that didn't make it onto the album. "Give Me More of Everything" has a particularly exquisite arrangement of strings and woodwinds and creaking wagon wheels (?) that would've been a highlight on any of her albums. I really just wish she'd put out a new album one of these days, though, even if it's self-released.

gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link

People who like those might like a lot of the darker songs on Lhasa's The Living Road album, although Lhasa is pretty much the opposite of Stina vocally.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, January 3, 2005 7:30 AM (6 years ago)

she said in an interview around the time The World Is Saved came out that she rarely listened to music by other singers but that Lhasa was one she enjoyed. one artist who really reminds me of Stina is former Sparklehorse collaborator Sol Seppy, who put out a solo album and EP in 2006. I'm suspicious of reviews that compare other artists to Stina Nordenstam, though. it seems like her name is whipped out almost as lazily as Bjork's to describe any and all "quirky", "mysterious" Scandinavian female singer-songwriters regardless of what their music actually sounds like.

gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

it's so right that it seems this thread is always bumped every winter!

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, January 4, 2007 9:30 AM (5 years ago)

Well, still fall here but the time is right. And Memories of a Color is sounding good right this second.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

an apt Sol Seppy reference upthread :)

t**t, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

miss you boo :-( come out of retirement

Tim F, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

there used to be a tour section on her website which when you clicked it read "Stina don't tour"

zvookster, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link

damn it thread bumpers on this

katherine, Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

that said this sol seppy album is kind of amazing

katherine, Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

I just wish she'd release the handful of songs from Jean Claude that didn't make it onto the album. "Give Me More of Everything" has a particularly exquisite arrangement of strings and woodwinds and creaking wagon wheels (?) that would've been a highlight on any of her albums.

http://sclors.tumblr.com/post/40897837779/give-me-more-of-everything-stina-nordenstam-i

still feel like this is one of the best songs recorded by anyone ever

ikwikiykwim (unregistered), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

the way her voice cracks on "have no favorites at all" is pretty much perfect

katherine, Sunday, 17 February 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

well, she's still alive

(but there's no mention of a new album in the works, so I apologize for getting anyone's hopes up)

Remember! The cormorant is a big brrd. It has got a long neck. (unregistered), Monday, 30 September 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link

literally the other day I was telling someone I was afraid she'd just quit music altogether so this is encouraging

katherine, Monday, 30 September 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link

must be autumn again

zvookster, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link

also that

katherine, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:51 (ten years ago) link

(but an interview is about 1000x more than "uh, we heard this snippet of this song in a Crystal Castles song" or w/e

katherine, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 00:51 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

Good to see that Stina has been selected as one of the 12 'music greats' to be included in the Swedish Music Hall of Fame'.

http://www.easybranches.eu/european-news/1577523.html

RobB, Monday, 10 February 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link

We're coming up on ten years since "The World Is Saved" was released? Crazy. I guess she has given up on music.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

rare footage from her cocktail jazz days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkHBBP6nWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksKR_BQ1v4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksKR_BQ1v4E

(I just hope the unauthorized release of these videos won't push her next album back another decade...)

macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Sunday, 20 July 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link

oops, that third clip should be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSZQ6VIE7g

macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Sunday, 20 July 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link

amazing

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 July 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link

she's fucking hypnotic

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 July 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link

holy shit how had I not seen these

katherine, Monday, 21 July 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link

What's the context here? What kind of TV show is this?

The arrangements and sweetness of her voice reminds me of the first two Cardigans albums.

boxedjoy, Monday, 21 July 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link

this is straight out of a David Lynch movie

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 13:15 (nine years ago) link

what happened to her? she was so desperate, so lonely, so sad and now this! she has discovered jazz or did jazz discover her? amazing!

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link

did i get the timing wrong? are all these cocktail jazz clips from before her solo releases? in that case the evolution of her music is not so surprising really.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link

"there has always been an element of jazz blues to my music"

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link

Can anyone recommend something that sounds like Dynamite? Obviously there is a lot of stark post-punk that has a similar texture but is there anything so introverted and so industrial-sounding yet fragile?

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link

The clips are from 1989, by the looks of it. She's 20 there.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link

Memories of a Colour was still pretty jazz-pop in parts.

Dynamite has such a unique vibe to it, especially the longer tracks toward the end which set up that kind of lugubrious pummeling vibe ("CQD", "Down Desire Avenue").

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link

Can anyone recommend something that sounds like Dynamite? Obviously there is a lot of stark post-punk that has a similar texture but is there anything so introverted and so industrial-sounding yet fragile?

― boxedjoy, Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hi, me to thread, first the copout: parts of This Is seem likely to have been intended for Dynamite, specifically "Welcome to Happiness" and "So Lee"; B-sides "The Thing About Fire" and "Walking Too Fast" are worth finding too.

as far as specific suggestions, possibly lisa germano on her quieter stuff; or this is possibly too loud/poppy for these purposes, but parts of the last ladyhawke album sort of get there: "The Quick and the Dead," "Cellophane," etc. it's easy to imagine them scaled back 10x to sound like dynamite would

katherine, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link

chunks of both Memories of a Colour AND And She Closed Her Eyes get pretty jazz-blues

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link

why can i not load these clips on the page??

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link

Can anyone recommend something that sounds like Dynamite? Obviously there is a lot of stark post-punk that has a similar texture but is there anything so introverted and so industrial-sounding yet fragile?

the most sparse songs on the album basically sound like hugo largo w/ assorted found objects adding extra ambience. the non percussive, bass driven tracks in particular seem heavily indebted to HL, that's the closest reference point i can think of.

cock chirea, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

that's nice but where's a new album?

akm, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 04:55 (nine years ago) link

:(

katherine, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 05:06 (nine years ago) link

A little part of my dies each time this thread is revived.

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 06:26 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

I know it's bad form to revive this thread, but I was listening to And She Closed Her Eyes again today and I had almost forgotten how utterly charming this album is.

"And I can't go on like this is not a way of telling you to be mine... Be mine."

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 13:14 (seven years ago) link

Her songs still pop up on my iPod and they hold up very well. I've forgiven the chorus "On Falling" for sounding so much like "Sharon & Hope" because it's the better song.

I stumbled upon a hip hop song called "stina nordenstam" recently, but I remember it being forgettable.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

you do realize you just killed a little part of yourself (xpost)

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link

also me, you killed a little part of me

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link

You know it's getting very hard… to go on now. But I pretend I want to.

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Stina's perfect for the colder days.

Ross, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 04:22 (seven years ago) link

Next week is the twenty year anniversary of Dynamite and I am counting on someone in this thread to have pitched a piece relating to it

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link

Stina always makes me pitch a piece.

(Sorry.)

Our Meals Are Hot And Fresh! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 12:56 (seven years ago) link

Next week is the twenty year anniversary of Dynamite and I am counting on someone in this thread to have pitched a piece relating to it

― boxedjoy, Wednesday, September 7, 2016 8:55 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sadly I have given up on people loving what I love

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link

katherine I actually assumed you would have something in the works for this

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link

believe me, if I thought I could successfully pitch it I would, but generally no one gives a shit about reissues that aren't already part of the canon

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 September 2016 05:47 (seven years ago) link

(s/reissues/anniversaries, though The World Is Saved sure didn't get much fanfare when it was re-released earlier)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 September 2016 05:48 (seven years ago) link

(feel free to insert "have you considered that the problem is you," also)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 September 2016 05:48 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

I was listening to ‘Dynamite’ again this morning after recommending it to Brad, and it occurred to me that - what with the songs’ persistent themes of acceptance of, and identification with, externally (and at times randomly) imposed violence, loss and fear - a good alternate title for the album would have been ‘Stockholm Syndrome’.

It would have made me lol (with dread) at any rate.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 April 2018 00:57 (six years ago) link

will she ever do anything again? has she done anything since Nine Horses?

akm, Monday, 30 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link

A little part of my dies each time this thread is revived.

boxedjoy, Monday, 30 April 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link

:(

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 30 April 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link

http://desireavenue.free.fr/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=3

^the saddest message board on the internet. every couple of months, one of about 4 active posters will start a new thread along the lines of, "UPDATE: she doesn't have a new album out, but I found this cool promo on eBay with an UNCROPPED version of the ASCHE cover photo!" and the other 3 posters will go, "that's nice, dear, but where on earth has our queen disappeared to!?"—and you get the impression that all of them have had Stina on Google alert for the past decade and that they die a little each time her name pops up without the promise of a new release

the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Monday, 30 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link

now i have 'stina / tell me have you seen her?' going round my head in loop

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Monday, 30 April 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link

lol

the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Monday, 30 April 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

(there are no Stinaupdates, sorry. but it's Stinaseason again)

The 00s poll has sent me scurrying back to, and has massively reignited my enthusiasm for, This is Stina Nordenstam (which wasn't nominated). I'd always gone along with the idea that The World is Saved was the apex of Stina - much more congruent than its predecessor and with more robust songwriting and arrangements, but This is now sounds like a much stranger/less earthbound record.

I'd forgotten the extent to which it was pitched as a big expensive pop move because it's so tiny a thing and seems to have left almost zero cultural footprint (unlike e.g. ASCHE). It was one of those albums by a slightly culty artist which was presumably designed to cross over but didn't any receive any tangible publicity push from (Sony?) so seemed to evaporate on contact with the world.

It got a full UK release but I never saw a copy of it until a load turned up in Fopp for £3 apiece circa 2009. All of the albums are on iTunes/Spotify now but for years and years they seemed to be just slightly out of reach.

The songs sound like she's extracted their internal supporting structures and left them out of the fridge to curdle but the whole thing bustles along really satisfyingly. There's barely time to get lost in the album because there is so little of it - it is glimpsed and then it's not there. On the cover she's spotlighted but shrouded in gloom; as always, you can barely make her out.

Brett sounds like a pitchshifted Stina = he sounds great/unobtrusive - def the best 00s record that he was involved with.

technopolis, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link

A little part of my dies each time this thread is revived.

― boxedjoy, Monday, April 30, 2018 9:37 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

otherwise, yeah, it wouldn't necessarily seem so, but IMO this album has the most devastating songs of hers -- "everyone else in the world," "sharon and hope," "so lee" -- she really doesn't get enough credit as a trad singer-songwriter.

and yes the obvious counterpoint is "ok but dynamite exists," but that's more devastated. not sure how the track on here that is clearly a dynamite offcut fits the theory, but she does

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link

Yes! Love Dynamite to bits but it keeps you at a remove whereas this one skips along pretty accessibly for the most part. It seems really at odds with itself in a way that neither Dynamite or TWIS are which is maybe more discomfiting for the listener. "The Diver" is the Dynamite offcut I guess?

technopolis, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link

I'm almost as preoccupied with the presentation of it. Just dug out my CD copy and it has a hyper-glossy booklet and a really unloveable typeface and generally feels like a really crisply efficient piece of product. and calling it This is Stina Nordenstam implies definitive artistic statement, but, it just oozes reluctance.

technopolis, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

...and, YouTube provides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G06-Y1Wc6oE

(30 mins of Stina, circa 2001, on This is..., while wandering around arctic Stockholm)

technopolis, Thursday, 31 October 2019 07:26 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

The current era has me returning to 'Dynamite' a lot. Still have no recollection how I heard 'This Is' circa 2001, but after that obsessively sought out all her albums (didn't seem easy to find in the US back then). 'Dynamite' has remained on of my very favorite albums of the 90s--in that mystical realm with late Talk Talk or Mark Hollis' solo LP, or Bjork's 'Homogenic'--just music outside of time. I wish it were much better known/appreciated--I feel like if it came out now it would probably be better received, and would still sound completely fresh.

In penance for bumping the thread and getting folks hopes up (or, these days, fears up), a couple tracks I somehow never heard, despite being so in love with her music all these years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTyf-2HU9Ig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgfT4pCV4kA

Soundslike, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:56 (four years ago) link

Also just since it's not posted in the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtKqH0Fk1_8

Personally, I think she comes across when there's some grit and gristle to wrestle with her childlike voice. But I love her in nearly any context.

Soundslike, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link

Until reading the Martin Aston 4AD book a few years back, I had no idea that she'd been a mooted 4AD-signee circa 1991 - Ivo apparently decided that she'd be too challenging to work with! Does seem like she'd have been a good fit for 90s 4AD (whatever that means - "bit gothy and elusive" possibly).

Dynamite def feels like the most auteurish album - so much space in it; completely agree that it would probably find a more receptive audience if released today.

technopolis, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 10:51 (four years ago) link

I wish it would at least get a reissue (and 1st US release), to give it the opportunity for critical reappraisal and exposure...

(Speaking of, look up the Allmusic review of 'Dynamite'--one of the worst, most off-base reviews of anything I've ever seen)

Soundslike, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link

dynamite is one of those albums I think is perfect in theory, but in practice I am not often really in a place to listen to (probably a good thing). this track is the exception, kind of a bridge to the world is saved in the strings throughout, also probably one of my favorite love-songs-of-sorts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN2GNXy4Nc

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link

I'd never heard this Stina x The Knife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JuGewOvQY

Soundslike, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

x-post. Was there any context to the idea that she'd be too challenging to work with?

djh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link

Strangely, I'd started making myself a compilation "for these times" and hadn't really got any further than a David Sylvian track and a Stina Nordenstam one.

djh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

Oh, cheers for posting that Knife remix Soundslike. Not sure how I missed that.

djh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link

oh yeah that remix was how I first got into the knife

also speaking of david sylvian tracks, stina nordenstam tracks, and tracks "for these times"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga4IcaRsHic

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

Was there any context to the idea that she'd be too challenging to work with?

They'd initially offered to release Memories of a Color but after meeting with her, Ivo decided that a working relationship would be overly complicated - apparently her personality "mirrored her beguiling, obsessive music" and he wasn't in the frame of mind to engage with this at the time.

technopolis, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 05:45 (four years ago) link

Ha, yes, Katherine - that was one of the few tracks on there.

djh, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 07:12 (four years ago) link

re: Stina and Sylvian, I'm somehow convinced (with no proof whatsoever) she wrote "Greetings from the Old World" by way of a salute to him when he moved from England to America. I remember reading her generic explanation of the song on her Myspace site and adding (my) 2+2.

Max Florian, Saturday, 25 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

discovered her thanks to akm's mention in the cassandra jenkins thread and wow i love her first two albums, especially and then she closed her eyes. i really love all the sax, it feels like music i've been wanting to hear forever.

dynamite is intriguingly strange but hasn't quite clicked for me yet, it's quite a left turn but i'm hoping it will open up to me. it feels sonically of a piece with from the choirgirl hotel, but pushed further into that realm in a way that tori never did. the contrast between her quiet, deadpan vocals and the kinda industrial/post-punk backing is fascinating

looking forward to checking out the rest of her output

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link

The first two Stinas are def the most aligned with the Cassandra Jenkins record (which is completely great), insofar as they have more light and warmth in them than her later albums - the 'sound' of early spring, watery tentative sunshine, lengthening days etc. Really brisk and fresh.

The subsequent Stinas all feel really bound up with autumn/winter to me, to varying extents - all are great but it's a much chillier vibe overall. Dynamite is the one that leans most into 'encroaching gloom'. FTCH is a really interesting comparison and one that hadn't occurred to me before.

I disappeared down a bit of a This is Stina Nordenstam wormhole upthread but I do still think it's her strangest record in that it tries to make a big (tiny) crossover pop record out of a fuzzier version of the Dynamite sonic palette and ends up sounding like some kind of plaintive alien bulletin or... something.

technopolis, Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:25 (three years ago) link

I think the World Is Saved is her best album. I wish she'd return to recording.

akm, Thursday, 25 February 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link

God I love 'Dynamite' so much. Dig 'This Is' and 'People Are Strange' and 'The World is Saved' and the rest. But 'Dynamite' stands out, for me. Such an elemental sound--those crunchy guitars paired with the Reich-ian strings, and her voice... An album that hasn't aged a day.

I'm afraid she's going to go the way of Mark Hollis--silent until silenced.

Soundslike, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link

I feel like there's a big jump in skill and quality between albums one and two - And She Closed Her Eyes really codifies some qualities that define her subsequent work despite the massive stylistic shifts.

Like, the voice is the same but from the first line of "When Debbie's Back From Texas" you can hear how much more aware and deliberate her use of it is - this Rickie Lee Jones in an iron lung quality, superficially blank and stripped (or evacuated) of affect, yet perversely affecting. A quality that extends to her suddenly incredibly sharp lyrical economy, conveying entire worlds and personas with the smallest number of words possible.

"From Cayman Islands With Love" from The World Is Saved is a great example of this:

Half a day behind and miles away
I'm on a beach
The only one around I know who can't
Enjoy the heat
I bought the postcard
Now I have to write the words
I left the country
There's a chance you may have heard
Grand Cayman is great
Of course it is
Weather like this
Living is great
Of course it is
What else did you think
What else did you think
I said I want a man and not a boy
You left the room
The Caribbean sun so leaves me cold
You never do
I want to see you
Even want to see you bleed
I can't believe I paid for this
There's nothing here I need
Grand Cayman is great
Of course it is
Weather like this?
Living is great
Of course it is
What else did you think
What else did you think

... The deliberateness emptiness of "weather like this?"... I love it.

Tim F, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:00 (three years ago) link

... That said, the last two tracks of Memories of a Colour are the best on the album, so if you listen to the first albums back to back it's like Stina is gearing herself up.

Tim F, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link

I bought "And She Closed Her Eyes" in 1994 when I was in high school - I think I bought "Park Life" (!) in the same haul. Mark Radcliffe had been playing "Little Star" every night on his Radio 1 late show.

Anyway, it's just the most beautiful record - I think it might be favourite ever album, the only album I've never gotten bored of listening to. I used to put in on with "Five Lives Left".

I can't believe The World is Saved was released 16 years ago. And look at idiot me above, thinking ten years was a long time.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

This Is is getting a vinyl reissue in June: https://www.roughtrade.com/en-us/product/stina-nordenstam/this-is-stina-nordenstam

Has she gone completely reclusive? Retired? Does anyone know?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 10 May 2024 13:50 (two weeks ago) link

Lol this revive is going to get Tim F's hopes up once again ;_;

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2024 13:55 (two weeks ago) link

This thread contains evidence of me being startled at the passage of time in general terms at about the time The World Is Saved was released.

It’s been almost 20 years since then.

Tim F, Friday, 10 May 2024 14:50 (two weeks ago) link


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