― eclectomaniac, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I need to find some early Curve records.
― David Raposa, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
That horrible gauzy early 90's production which Curve used is a horrible device used in the main by bands seeking to conceal their inability to come up with dynamics, structure or melodies. Strip it away and it would reveal.....nothing.
Garbage updated this particular trick on V.2.0, and perfected it to the extent that no matter how loud you turn it up, nothing actually hits home. It's all vapour.
― Dr. C, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― a-33, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew L, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― EdwardO, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I kinda miss having _Version 2.0_ around.
― Jeff W, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Why the hell not? It sounds like what it sounds like, and I said why I don't like the way it sounds. Which I think is mainly because of the 'production'. It could be that there's not much 'production' and that the sounds were all recorded heavily filtered and processed at source. Who cares?
I have never used the 'if it sounds good on an acoustic, it must be a *real* song' argument. Ever.
― g, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
So what does the "new" Curve sound like?
Curve. The online-only Curve disc sounds like Curve too.
To be more specific, Curve '01 sounds like Curve '92 with the vocals higher in the mix.
― Andy K, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Chris, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
!
― Tim, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I just had to run a midday solo mission to "Buy Buy Baby" (ridiculous baby gear megastore in Chelsea) and decided to play a little Curve on ye olde iPod on the way to and from. I'd forgotten how much I used to adore this band. Between "Lillies Dying", "Die Like a Dog" and the utterly, uttelry sublime single mix (by Flood) of "Fait Accompli" (miles better than the version on Doppelganger) I was practically weeping (and embarassingly singing aloud and air-bassing) with irrepresible joy. They may indeed have been a bit of a one-trick pony, but fuck if that one particular trick wasn't decadently intoxicating. By the time "On the Wheel" came on (followed swifftly by their rousing cover of Moroder'n'Summer's "I Feel Love" from the Ruby Trax compilation), I was verily scaring the Teletubbies out of a gaggle of concerned new Moms in Buy Buy Baby, as I transformed seamlessly into very the legend inscribed of the back of one of my ill-fitting and fading Sisters of Mercy shirts, that being an "utter groove bastard." God fucking bless Curve and may he take a glistening divine piss on those who suggest that no good music came out of the 1990's.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link
To go back to a point David R raised:
Appreciation for Curve shot up 100 fold once my feeble mind FINALLY made the connection between them & Garbage, especially since Curve rocks MUCH harder than Shirley & Co
Quite. And it's not just in terms of loud feedback but rhythms -- Garbage were far more cleaner and more pallid. Both Shirley Manson and Toni Halliday were/are Siouxsie-obsessed singers with dodgy end-of-eighties careers they'd like us all to forget a la Tori Amos, and on that front they did pretty well, but if the choice is between Dean Garcia and his beatboxes versus Butch Vig and his nonentities, no contest.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Hold the phazizzlone, I didn't know that.
I haven't picked up anything of theirs after Come Clean (and sold same to SecondSpin.Com, actually). I'll stick with their early stuff, but Gift does now sound promising.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Curve are stone cold CLASSIC.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
CD 1 The Way Of Curve
1 Ten Little Girls2 Coast Is Clear3 Clipped4 Die Like A Dog5 Horror Head6 Fait Accompli7 Missing Link8 Superblaster9 Pink Girl With The Blues10 Recovery11 Chinese Burn12 Coming Up Roses13 Hell Above Water14 Want More Need Less15 Perish16 Nice and Easy
CD 2 Rare and unreleased
1 On The Wheel2 Triumph3 Arms Out4 Sigh5 Mission From God 6 Today Is Not The Day 7 Low And Behold8 Nothing Without Me 9 What A Waste with Ian Dury10 Falling Free Aphex Twin mix11 Chinese Burn Lunatic Calm mix 12 Coming Up Roses Kevin Shields Mix13 I Feel Love14 In Disguise15 Sinner
Good choices? Bad choices? I've only heard one or two Curve tracks ever, and I don't even remember what they were.
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
I didn't realize Kevin Shields was on Gift, either.
― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link
The first EPs were absolutely classic. Doppelganger just took that sound and spread it, rather thinly, over an album, though 'Ice That Melts the Tips', 'Already Yours', and 'Think and Act' are standout album tracks. Cuckoo is where it's at for me. The album is well-sequenced too, building up to a great finish. It's the best heavy wall of goutar album I know from that period, but there's tons of variety throughout at the same time. Come Clean worked out for me, though it's the one I listen to least. I think it sounds louder and dirtier than most of the 'rock band goes electronic' albums, and besides, they were using samplers and drum machines from day one; the technology just got a lot more sophisticated in their downtime.
SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH the 'Coming Up Roses' B-sides: 'Habit and 'Midnight and Royal'. They're some of the best material from that period. Really tense and spooky without relying on conventional big guitars or noise. I like Gift a lot, esp. the Shields tracks plus 'My Tiled White Floor'. There was very solid material on their internet-only album in 2000, Open Day at the Hatefest, but nothing really standout. I'll probably track down the new compilation, though there are only a couple of tracks I don't have in hard form. I think they got Flat Earth back for the cover, which is good.
Oh yeah; Cuckoo had a wonderful sleeve, as did the surrounding EPs. Only the Come Clean sleeve wasn't wholly interesting.
trivia: Debbie Smith last appeared playing with Luke Sutherland in Bows, which is such an improvement over Echobelly or the totally dire Snowpony. I'm going to go revive a Bows thread now.
xpost: Ned, yes oh yes Mission From God is glorious.
― derrick (derrick), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Ned, what is this cover of Overground you speak of? You mean the Siouxsie track? I def. should check that out
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 8 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link
This is deeply ludicrous, of course. The thing that initially attracted me to Curve was the juxtaposition of Toni's great melodic lines against the feedback/dance beat. Plus there are always those huge bass lines...
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Damn right.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
this is true. live they seemed pretty dull, it was all a bit thick and blurry. their love for swervedriver was always offputting too.
― keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.curve.co.uk/news.htm
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link
So, speaking of Curve, is there any way to get all those recent (and out of print) EPs besides sending a check to Dean?
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
"Perish" is beyond awesome. It's also the saddest noise-rock track ever.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link
anyways .. i definitely side on the CLASSIC. that cold hearted drum machine pounding away while the noise shreds the paintwork and toni does her echoed goth thing is just wonderful and fits in perfectly with my current moods.
but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
its not just me .. (have images of ilmers dashing off to archives to check .. )
but ta for the love anyways ned .. backatcha gorgeous.
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― and I can walk out into the world, singing with my people (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link
13 years after the albums release we all finally get the bands 'joke'.
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
(I also have not yet gotten around to getting Doppelganger, cos I've got both the above and - rather later - the Radio Sessions comp. It's quite nice knowing that at sometime in the future I've still got "new" early Curve to listen to...)
― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link
(but anything curve stamped will be on my bins-radar from hereon thats for sure ..)
― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link
The similar Smile compilation by Ride was import only for a couple of years but Creation eventually released that in the UK, shame Anxious records couldn't do the same.
Was Gala by Lush released in the UK? I bought that 2nd hand but I think that's a US import as well.
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Sound of Walls (Bimble...), Sunday, 26 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
HORROR HEAD
― Bimble, Monday, 30 July 2007 05:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Re-listening to those early EPs, one of the big factors that made them interesting is that "viscous" bass sound they used for instance on 'Coulour Hurts' or 'Fait Accompli'
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I bought one of their albums once and couldn't stand it even though they supposedly sounded like stuff I did like.
― Richard Wood Johnson, Thursday, 9 August 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link
You know, it's been a long time since I heard Gift -- fantastic album.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
They just weren't very good. It's really quite sinful to suggest otherwise.
― PhilK, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
And you're just knee-jerk hating jackass. Cosmic balance is restored.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Missed this a few weeks ago, but I'm enjoying the continually mounting ILM evidence that Bimble and I are actually the same person:
TS: Curve's "Horror Head" vs. Garbage's entire discography
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Did Scylla (Toni Halliday's band between Curve breaking up and getting back together again) ever release anything apart from 1 song on the Showgirls soundtrack? I saw them live in '95 and they were quite good.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"And you're just knee-jerk hating jackass. Cosmic balance is restored."
Why would I hate knee-jerks?
― PhilK, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link
in addition to being not very good they also screwed up a potentially fine jamc album with their pedal hopping overproduced agenda setting ways
― cw, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Huh?
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
honey's dead.
― cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link
What, because the drummer played on it??
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:40 (sixteen years ago) link
...with trademark overly fussy curve drumming. and the producer produced it. with a wall of nasty curve fx gloss.so, yes.
― cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link
well Alan Moulder produced half of the records that came out around that time, so I wouldn't define him as the Curve producer, but anyway... Still my fave JAMC album with 'Psychocandy'
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah it seems a little unfair to blame Curve just for having the same producer as them!
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link
honey's dead sounds specifically modeled on curve to me, it has the same studio tricks, the same bombast, the same drumming, the same fussiness. i initially totally loved hd and also the ten little boys ep but found they both palled pretty quickly. robin guthrie made a similiar mess of felt's ignite the seven canons. assuming bands with vaguelly aligned aethetics would benefit from the same production job.
― cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Next you're going to be claiming that MBV "sound like Curve" on account of production links.
It's a strange and revisionist attitude to take.
Oh wait, it's reverse sexism, isn't it, claiming that Curve wrote all the songs of every band Moulder worked with because Halliday and Moulder were an item at the time? ;-)
― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 23 August 2007 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link
CW can't admit that at the time JAMC were a bunch of lazy sods who were too out of it to get it together for an album. I saw them at Lollapalooza in '92 and again in '93 and both times they stunk in a completely non-interesting way. It didn't help that Spiritualized and Curve were opening up for them too.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 August 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
classic
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Toni Halliday's appearance on Leftfields "Original" = Classic!
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Toni has two new tracks up: http://www.myspace.com/chatelainemusic
Mostly piano-driven, but with a familiar Big Drum Machine sound. Described as "Ramped up Enya"
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 09:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Beyond the title, it sounds like Toni has been wondering how the Cocteaus would sound covering Fleetwood Mac.
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link
http://a437.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/73/m_0524b0321e070f51a50a84332edeb93c.jpg
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 09:15 (sixteen years ago) link
:-((
This picture still makes me sad. Anyway, I recently did a 180 wrt 'Gift', it really is a great album. Maybe even their best full-length release.
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Toni has no business having blonde L.A. hair. She is the quintessential goth ice queen, after all.
Gift, sure, but it is no Doppelganger, not to mention early singles & eps.
― Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Having written that, I also have to rep for Cuckoo, which is a phenomonal album which got lost b/w genres/trends/styles when it was released.
― Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link
as most people on this thread it seems, I felt really disappointed when Doppelganger came out. I still find it too monotonous and a bit bland overall
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
bdx, i see what you are saying (and sympathize), but I find it monotonous in the same delicious way that Psychocandy or, say, the blues are monotonous.
― Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Remember you and meWe laughed 'til we cried
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 05:41 (fourteen years ago) link
spc eco > curve (excepting the early EPs and a third of the debut)
― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Thursday, 26 November 2009 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Somehow I'd missed that latest turn from Garcia.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link
it may yet wear on me but right now it's amongst my favourite music of the year
― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Thursday, 26 November 2009 05:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm really happy every time this thread is revived
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I still can't believe I was lucky enough to see them twice in their first incarnation.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Gotta love YouTube -- just earlier this month someone uploaded this performance of "Die Like a Dog" in San Diego from 1992:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxwvqoBgdow
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously the strobe light effects there are seizure-inducing.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Same here. My t-shirt from the "Cuckoo" tour is still going strong! (and is officially the oldest concert t-shirt I own)
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm, I still have mine as well. I believe we were both at that show making fun of Engines of Aggression.
Meanwhile I am now reminded of a pretty stellar moment of lyric/music combination courtesy of "Missing Link":
Accidentally we talked about the pastAccidentally we talked about the pastAccidentally we talked about the pastAccidentally we talked -- too -- MUCH!*BAM*
Very well observed, really.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I also like the Trent Reznor mix of said song since like the original song it was released in 1993, aka the year when all the NIN freaks worldwide were *desperate* beyond measure to get some sense of whatever the hell 'the next album' would be. The part nearly three minutes in when he adds/emphasizes this huge background piano (?) doominess in the mix is pretty spectacular.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 06:58 (fourteen years ago) link
still can't believe I was lucky enough to see them twice in their first incarnation.
Same here. And didn't we establish we were at those same two shows, ie. Rollercoaster tour at the Palladium and then at the Palace?
― spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Thursday, 26 November 2009 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I think quite a few of us were. Until the MBV onslaught over the past months, Curve at the Palace was easily the loudest show I've been to.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 November 2009 07:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I loved that Cuckoo tour t-short. I was coerced in stupidly giving it away...
― spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Thursday, 26 November 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I never got to see Curve live - I did see Toni's short lived post-breakup band Scylla live in '95 tho. They were pretty good actually, heavier than Curve.
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 26 November 2009 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Good god, I'm trying to imagine that and having a hard time doing so.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 November 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
1000000000% CLASSIC FUCK GARBAGE.
― ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Friday, 27 November 2009 11:33 (fourteen years ago) link
A whole slew of Curve shows has turned up on D1m3 and despite the dodgy audio of audience taping in 92-93, they're furiously great (title track from "Doppleganger" scores 5/5 on the MBV-O-Meter). Man there has to be some live videos or something from the time.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 05:52 (fourteen years ago) link
!!!! Wish I still had a Dime acct. Would someone very kind be willing to, I don't know, maybe 192kbps LAME some of the best and trade them for some, say, Ride, Kraftwerk, or Mogwai?
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRY4ILQeSg
am jonesing
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Need to get back into the D1m3 swing myself...
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Encoding everything to 256kpbs AAC. Drop me a board email and I can straighten everything out.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 07:40 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFG1rIUhc7U
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 07:45 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XPAQNF7yg
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 07:47 (fourteen years ago) link
(title track from "Doppleganger" scores 5/5 on the MBV-O-Meter)
I've just listened to the initial build & payoff to this track five times in a row. Just damn.. Moulder could do no wrong in those days.
This was the first of many downtown Detroit gigs I snuck out on schoolnights to attend while I was in high school. I had taken some psychedelics. It was ..erm, an impressionable experience (in a very good way).
― ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:30 (fourteen years ago) link
(the Rollercoaster tour, that is - not the NY gigs obv.)
― ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I just realized I had "Cuckoo" on my Zune and I was listening to it on my walk home but it paled in comparison to "Doppelganger" and "Public Fruit"
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Sunday, 31 January 2010 08:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I love that second breakdown from 2:42 - 3:10 when it sounds like a huge electrical fire in the studio.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 31 January 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link
the rollercoaster show show in detroit was on devil's night, i was convinced i would come out and my car would be in flames. the show before that one with majesty crush opening was better though.
― keythkeythkeyth, Sunday, 31 January 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ yeah, I remember that. Wasn't that a year or so after the worst-ever devil's night arson/general crime spree? As I mentioned upthread, I was a bit effected that night, & I recall ducking for cover every time my friend's car went under a highway overpass b/c of an urban legend (perhaps something that really happened?) about dudes dropping cinder blocks & such from them on DN.
lol, I think Majesty Crush or Asha Vida opened for every UK indie band that passed through town back then.
― ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
just in case...
http://helensface.webs.com/
― c@meron obscura, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
embarrassingly my curve collection consists of their first 2 eps, and doppelganger. i think i need a lot more to quench this thirst for drum machine + guitar noise + goth queen vocals.never listened to this stuff on headphones until this week, fuck the tinnitus, that wall of sound is majestic.
― mark e, Friday, 26 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the EP collection and the radio sessions comp is all you really need, don't be embarrassed
― you live in a space battle homo cave (sic), Saturday, 27 February 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
All those nights watching the 'Fait Accompli' and 'Superblaster' videos gave much joy, but Curve hasn't aged very well for me. Which is great because I can only think about 1992, 1993 when I listen to them again
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 27 February 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I wish Scylla had released something other than that weak track on the Showgirls OST. They were pretty good live.
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 27 February 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't forget to snag this: Curve's "Perish" & Kevin Shields
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 27 February 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah Doppleganger was a letdown and might deserve another look, but everything after just didn't work for me. although i would HIGHLY recommend the 2CD remastered best-of The Way of Curve that came out a couple years ago, all the originals came out during a low point for CD mastering and the material benefits greatly from the rework.
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Saturday, 27 February 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
And Toni's Chatelaine album is out finally. Stream the whole works here: http://chatelainemusic.com/
Beyond the title, it sounds like Toni has been wondering how the Cocteaus would sound covering Fleetwood Mac.― baaderonixx, Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:14 AM (2 years ago)
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:14 AM (2 years ago)
^^^^^ prescient comment here (after one listen through this)
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 11 June 2010 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
"Coast Is Clear" is still one of the best songs ever.
That squealing guitar line over the second chorus encapsulates about 80% of what I love about music.
― DJP, Friday, 5 November 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I can sign up with that sentiment.
Meantime, perhaps the only time you'll see Curve and Matt Groening discussed at the same time.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
hah I was at that show at the Palace. What I remember most is how horrible the opening act was and how excited I was to briefly hang out with the band (+ Medicine) outside after the show
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 8 November 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
how horrible the opening act was
Good ol' Engines of Aggression. *dies*
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 November 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yay, Doppelganger is finally on Spodify. (I suppose I should probably check if it's on iTunes yet because I have already owned it on far too many formats.)
I had forgotten what a *nasty* sounding record it is. It's filled with a kind of gnawing self loathing and bits of strangled noise and so bloody ugly and yet still somehow beautiful.
― Wheal Dream, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 12:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure if it's the production or the mastering but I always found doppelgänger a bit thin and lifeless. A remaster could be interesting
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Dunno, the production sounds more *murky* than thin or lifeless. Like, it's so bloody dense and thick that it's hard to pick out any elements, but that's kind of the point of shoegaze wall of sound.
― Wheal Dream, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Any thoughts on SPC ECO, Dean Garcia's new thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-F5VTBJyA
― Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Friday, 12 November 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
They're kind of an AC-30 band which makes me automatially predisposed not to like them, but I should give them a chance, I suppose.
― Wheal Dream, Friday, 12 November 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh wait, is that Debbie Smith on guitar? I take it back, I automatically love anything she's involved with.
(Though I still kind of hide from her when I see her on the train.)
― Wheal Dream, Friday, 12 November 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Any thoughts on SPC ECO - linked track is a dead ringer for gaze-era Curve, which would interest me more if half of my record collection didn't already consist of such things. Nice to see that Debbie Smith back in action, though!
― strangled by a necklace of mexicans (Pillbox), Friday, 12 November 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I could just be making it up, but I think I read somewhere that the girl singing for SPC ECO is actually Dean's own niece.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 November 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
daughter
i love spc eco, the album is really good but the EPs that have come out since are even better
― the barenaked ladies are the roaring night (electricsound), Friday, 12 November 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Dunno... Listening here on a great audio system, it sounds freaking amazing. I put "Fait Accompli" pretty high up on my ballot in the ILX poll and my comment for it was:
"Somehow I picture Halliday, Garcia, Moulder, & Flood cackling in the studio as they try to see just how menacing they could make this song. "I've come to mess with your head" indeed."
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 13 November 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
All the EPs and the later self-released albums are available on Bandcamp now: http://curve.bandcamp.com/
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Pubic Fruit still rules
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
^indisputable truth
― Everyone's a closet ned. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
I'm Elvis Telecom and I support this message.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
✓
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
Motion carried.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 August 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
a+
― katherine, Monday, 25 August 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
Just noticed how awesome and weird the wayward synth bass on Horror Head is
― It empowers them, he jokes (albvivertine), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 09:33 (eight years ago) link
"Come Clean:" underrated?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 April 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
Curve is still the best.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2016 00:27 (seven years ago) link
i heard 'fait accompli' randomly in the gym once
― clouds, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link
It looks like there was mention of them here six years ago, but I just discovered Dean's band SPC ECO with his daughter on vocals when their new album came out this year. Nice stuff.
― early rejecter, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Yeah they've turned into a pretty good act, and they were always good from the start.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Hold up, have they really released basically an album and EP a year for the past several years?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
So, reissues of the two first albums coming out this summer. Already have all of the bonus material but Doppelgänger could do with a remaster so I'll probably get these.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 10:57 (six years ago) link
Wow, great news.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 13:00 (six years ago) link
Track details here. Same here, re: owning it all already (aside from the original versions of "Rising" and "Half the Time", on the _Cuckoo_ 2 cd), but not to bad a price to gather those singles w/ the albums. Can't remember if "I Feel Love" was on _The Way of Curve_ - I got it on an NME covers comp. This quote in the comments made me laugh: That said, if they’ve done a decent remaster of Doppelgänger, I might buy it just to hear stuff like Ice That Melts The Tips (“sounds as though three guitars are beating the crap out of a fourth” said Q).
Will have to check the Rare/Unreleased Bandcamp list against my discs and see what I'm missing. Seeing the main page, their output and art aesthetic is impressive.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Can't remember if "I Feel Love" was on _The Way of Curve_ - I got it on an NME covers comp
just checked. nope its not.i will probably get both of these as the mastering on the original cds is pretty shrill and tinny.so, to have them all dusted up and at the same levels will be nice.
― mark e, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
I have all the singles so the only tracks I'm missing are I Feel Love and those live and original versions of things. Doppelganger CD is really flat sounding though so might be worth getting if they've done something to fix it.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
It's totally on The Way of Curve. Disc 2, track 13.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
ahh .. i checked the wrong album ! doh.
― mark e, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/07/25/curve-dean-garcia-spc-eco-interview/
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
Thank ya for sharing that!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
Has anyone listened to the pre-Curve stuff like State of Play from '86, Toni Halliday's solo album from '89, or the Uncles single from '84? Any good?
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
I've listened to the '89 solo album and I want to like it more than I do but can't get past the dated '80s production
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
lol I just read this whole thread and I've mentioned that I saw Scylla live 3 times.
Did you know I saw Scylla live in 1995?
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
The Scylla demos are great. ("Helen's Face" was on the "Showgirls" soundtrack, fwiw.) The link for the demos is dead, but they must be out there somewhere.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
Whoops, didn't catch the "pre-Curve" specification.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
Curve has been perfect for West coast road trip! I noticed once on another thread how Robert Plant's Now & Zen features (iirc) both Toni and Kirsty MacColl on backing vox.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
It's never enough to swallow those pillsNow I'm sick, and always will be.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
Bonus points : Today I found Public Fruit and Come Clean in a local charity shop.
― mark e, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:14 (four years ago) link
Pubic Fruit rules. Come Clean hurts my ears sometimes, but I've come around to it!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link
just had one of my tweeters fixed due to excess a few weeks ago.so, probably not the best time to rediscover how much i love curve.
― mark e, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
I was just blasting "Frozen" last week
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
DJP : if you haven't checked them out, then the freebie SPC ECO remixes/art of pop remixes compilations are way better than i ever expected them to be.
― mark e, Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
so, today i picked up some eurythmics cds from a local charity shop.i never expected to see deans name in the credits.
― mark e, Friday, 23 August 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
Curve were on Dave Stewart's label!
more connections here: famous bands (or significant portions thereof) who backed up a solo artist or were absorbed into an existing band for a single album: the thread
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 23 August 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
ooh yeah, of course .. duhh ...
― mark e, Friday, 23 August 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae5FYlDB_QI
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Weird, band looks to be playing live, but the music is the recorded versions, afaict.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
No audience actually - and camera moving through where an audience would be. The vocal is live, anyway.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
Is it? Missing Link for sure pre recorded vocals, at least backing vocals.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
guys it's a TV performance
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
I know! But the band seems to be doing an unusually good job miming.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
I discovered Doppelganger back in the mid-2000s and thought it was pretty good, although there wasn't much variety. I'd never heard of the band until that point but I was familiar with Garbage, and the similarities were striking - they sounded exactly the same, down to the vocal style and drum sound. The production sounded massive, that's what appealed to me. The drums, they have a huge booming sound that's badly out of date nowadays but I'm genetically programmed to respond to that sound.
Also, there's a bit in "Already Yours" near the end where most of the mix falls away and there's a rhythm guitar solo a la Carlos Alomar's solo in "Don't Look Back in Anger". It's not as good but I like it. The song has a massive wall of production that reminds me of "Leave Them All Behind" by Ride, where the guitars almost turn into a wash of static. Listening to it again on Youtube I'm amazed they weren't put on the soundtrack of a generic mid-1990s PlayStation racing game. I assume Gran Turismo was out of bounds because it actually had Garbage.
I've always wondered why they so totally failed to make any commercial impression, to the extent that I'd never heard of them; I can't name any of the band, so perhaps they didn't have Shirley Manson's charisma, and from what I know they were on a small indie label at a time when indie bands weren't supposed to sound like massive stadium rock acts. I can't think of another instance of a rock band anticipating the sound of another rock band so perfectly, down to the production and vocal style (I've always liked to assume that Garbage were unaware of Curve).
Also, dismembered dolls or multiple babies on an album cover = commercial disaster, viz The Human League's Reproduction. A single baby is okay, viz Nevermind and Van Halen's 1984. Multiple babies no. When Chumbawamba put a single baby on the cover of one of their albums they had a massive success AND YES I KNOW that Anarchy also has a baby on it but the cover was widely censored so no-one got to see it. Why was Moby's Animal Rights a commercial failure? Because the baby was obscured by towel.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
Never go full baby.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
(I've always liked to assume that Garbage were unaware of Curve).
lol
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 7 October 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
HA!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 7 October 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
I can't name any of the band, so perhaps they didn't have Shirley Manson's charisma
Let me assure you that Toni and Debbie both had charisma to burn onstage, for a start.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 October 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
Garbage had the advantage of having big time record biz connections from day one.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 7 October 2019 03:53 (four years ago) link
well to be fair Curve were hardly total strangers to the recording industry
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 7 October 2019 04:22 (four years ago) link
Was gonna say
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 7 October 2019 06:51 (four years ago) link
Heh, yeah, Curve's industry ties are massive.I do think Garbage's debt to Curve is a little overblown. The former never really aligned with anything shoegaze or dark or goth or mysterious. Garbage could never pull off starting their set in a haze of thick smoke, for example. Also, wouldn't call Toni particularly charismatic, though Debbie sure was. But Shirley is one of the most compelling, charismatic front people I have ever seen live.(That said, I think Curve is massive and Garbage was pretty slight.)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 11:58 (four years ago) link
Speaking of Debbie, I met her last month! (post gig party for The Raincoats' 40th anniversary show in London) Within ten seconds she correctly ID'ed me "I bet you're a guitar player" and we chatted about effects pedals and amps for twenty minutes. I still miss Curve.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 25 December 2019 08:42 (four years ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 December 2019 08:44 (four years ago) link
Another one from that playback tv appearance just popped up -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwbx6GLq6o
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
still can't decide whether there is anything being played live on these videos and if not why the band seem so engaged
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
It's all playback
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link
Like the last one, this one seems all pre-recorded, the album version. Though yeah, the band is fake playing its heart out.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link
It's just kinda cool to watch them swaying about, they were always a pretty good looking band.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 9 January 2020 10:24 (four years ago) link
I dunno if any of you have ever watched this dude, but he's a totally square yet knowledgable and enthusiastic old nerd who breaks down music theory and whatnot. Anyway, out of nowhere, he included Curve is his list of the top 20 rock bass sounds of all time. #18, around the 30 minute mark!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P5isBr7uw
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link
Nice, I like Rick's videos, his son Dylan has perfect pitch, the clips of him calling out the names and notes of gnarly cluster piano chords are amazing.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZcW7JCpCU
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:31 (four years ago) link
New Toni H. EP is totally unexpected and totally awesome
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 28 March 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link
Well I trust you're going to link this!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 March 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
Streamable on your favorite platform and downloads here:https://www.junodownload.com/artists/Toni+Halliday/tracks/
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 28 March 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
that's a timely revive.. i've been going through my old CDs and ripping ones that are missing from my digital collection and just hit the "C"s – was literally just wondering how Curve was going to hold up
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 28 March 2021 22:49 (three years ago) link
They hold up really really well! Also, mysteriously absent from Amazon's streaming service.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 March 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link
But thankfully fully on Bandcamp, including a slew of rarity comps.
https://curve.bandcamp.com/music
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 March 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
Wow, what's all that "bootleg series" stuff?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 March 2021 03:49 (three years ago) link
A lot of it is mixes and various elements of final tracks -- Garcia breaks each entry down thoroughly in the liners.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 March 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link
happy 30th to cuckoo
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:09 (six months ago) link
Claaaaaaaasssssssssic (imagine this word said with tons of fuzz and overdrive and reverb and flanger and the like)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:19 (six months ago) link
I wish I knew what the mad vocal sample at the start of Clipped is all about, I've been wondering that for 30+ years.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:41 (six months ago) link
That Cuckoo tour was a hell of a thing to experience.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:00 (six months ago) link
xp the absolute zenith of Curve for me (shout out to “Turkey Crossing”) - I remember Cherry coming out and thinking, well, this hits every mark dead-on.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:05 (six months ago) link
also Cuckoo is their best album by an order of magnitude
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:08 (six months ago) link
To each his own. Never much cared for Cuckoo despite some good moments. But then again all their albums were flawed. Pubic Fruit all the way
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 22 September 2023 05:44 (six months ago) link
well yeah the EPs were the real high point.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 09:48 (six months ago) link
Curve is one of those bands where I kinda liked them, picked up Cuckoo at a record store on a whim, it became one of my favorite albums of all time, and I never really bothered finding any of their other music. Now, my curiosity is piqued and I'm finally listening to the E.P.s that comprised Pubic Fruit after all these years. Might be doing some Bandcamping today.
― beard papa, Friday, 22 September 2023 16:51 (six months ago) link
Physical box set coming in February:
Unreadable Communication: Anxious Recordings 1991-1993
The two albums, four EPs, some remixes and some live stuff. Does not include Peel Sessions, which are supposed to be very good.
I'm not a fan, but if you want remastered CDs, here you go.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:52 (four months ago) link
so, remember this from a while back :
"but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:53 PM (eighteen years ago)"
well, a twitter account posted this weekend re the album, so i asked the question re the doubling up.
and look what happened :
𝘾𝙐𝙍𝙑𝙀 liked your replyquestion : was i only the person who bought this on cd to find the inner booklet doubled up ? i assumed it was a play on the album name ..
!!!
― mark e, Saturday, 9 March 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link