TS: Kim Gordon vs. Kim Deal

+ indie darling vs. indie darling + chart topper favors Kim D.

Also, she has a longer wikipedia entry, so there's that.

Points should also be awarded to Kim Coletta.

And some love for Kim Warnick too.

Um... Free Kitten? Anxious Rats? the SYR 5 EP with Ikue Morie and DJ Olive?

arguable

, better singer

eh.. it's really a stylistic thing. I much prefer Gordon.

, better songwriter.

No.

Kim Deal Wins.

Pixies, Breeders, The Amps.

TS: "Swimsuit Issue" vs "Do You Love Me Now?"

she definitely wins a most boring and forgettable musican life-time achievement award from me. IF i were to hand out such an award. which i don't at the present time.

As for the Kims, I love them both too. I like Sonic Youth but never loved them like Pixies. I go with Deal.

I like Last Splash as much as any Pixies album, so.

huh? kim deal smells??? like what?

kim deal...in a heart beat...

Just kidding.

Kim Deal, I think.

BTW, Kim Gordon is at least 10 years older than Kim Deal. Serious MILFing.

fun, quirky, catchy songs?

Deal takes Gordon though. Mainly due to Thurstons vulgar ego trip.

d00d, 1/2 those songs mentioned are totally forgetable. now, if you had put "Addicted to Love" in there, i might be w/ you!

vulgar ego trip????? wha???

btw-kimmy d. i don't even think i care what she smells like anymore...i'd just do whatever w/ her, so long as @ the end of the day we had a few beers and hung out...
that and she's violently against the internet!!!
KIM DEAL WINS TEH INNERNET GAME!!!11

Kim Gordon did great work with SY; her GAP ads (billboards in Boston) don't negate that work by any means, but it does call certain things into question. Is sweatshop labor all cool and acceptable and "new weird america" and ringer-shirted now?

I'm no Pixies fanatic, but I can't get on board with this at all...
I guess it comes down to the fact that I'd rather listen to the Pixies, The Amps and possibly the Breeders than Sonic Youth most of the time.

I’m going to go with Kim Deal for the Amps album alone (the first two Breeders records were great, I’ve no familiarity with the Pixies whatsoever). Kim Gordon’s awesome too – esp. w/r/t Free Kitten, doens’t anyone else like them but me? -- but there’s no song/record of hers I come back to as much as I do to Pacer.

I should note that I think the first Breeders album is totally brilliant. I never saw the fuss about the Pixies until I heard Pod and realized who the brains (and heart and soul) behind the Pixies was.

I don't think Frank Black is totally dull...just not real deserving of the heaps of praise he gets.

But ultimately, I'll take Sister over alla that combined.

a long time ago, supposedly, some local photographer in Dayton, OH went to Deal's house and took some candid (read-post shower) pics from outside looking in. then went on line and attempted to sell said pics. i think that sealed the deal for Deal...

dunno how legit this story is.

"Brave men run/in my family" = better than any line Deal ever wrote

fwiw, I own and listen to way more SY than I do the Pixies (I don't even own any Breeders, or Amps, or whatever)

Plus I can't think of many old timers who are into "Inhuman".

like you can't like pop and noise at the same time.

ugh.

They are probably being compared just because they are both named Kim.

roffle

-- paulhw (pppso...), April 1st, 2006.

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Maybe you're right - it isn't SY vs. the Pixies. Kim Gordon may also not be the well rounded musician that Kim Deal is. However, Gordon is willing to take musical risks that she knows may not be well liked - I don't see Deal doing that. I'm just saying, for me it doesn't make any sense to reward someone for playing it safe. Also, I think Kim Gordon would be a hell of a lot more rewarding to hang out with - you'd probably learn something. I've heard rumors that Deal, and I can't claim this is true so don't quote me on this, agreed to rejoin the Pixies to tour because she needed money badly to support her habit as did Francis.

-- Chromebowler (chromebowle...), April 2nd, 2006

ok this might be a long one. here goes.

the pixies music is not soft. it is just varied, with contrasts of yummy poppy goodness and noise. sure they werent as noisy as sonic youth, but whats your point? sure, sonic youth pushed the boundaries - to the point of repetitiveness. i love sonic youth but once you've made your point, just move on. the good thing about both bands is that they have elements of both styles and i dont think the pixies should be punished for having a couple more tunes in there.

as for adolescent music? sonic youth seems noticeably more teenage-angst than any pixies track i know. i'm not saying that the pixies are hugely mature, but they're not bubblegum. and though i know a few people over 26 who like them, i dont actually know any that like sonic youth. but obviously the people i know are only a tiny percentage of the population.
also, just out of interest, if they deny it and only they know its true, how do you know?

also ONE LAST THING:

Gordon, obv. I also can barely even remember what KD's voice sounds like.

-- Sundar (sundar_subramanian200...), January 2nd, 2006.

well if you cant remember how do you expect to compare? and dont say it just means shes forgettable. it just means youre forgetful. if she was forgettable we wouldnt be having this discussion, would we?

ok i think i'm done. god i sound so pompous. oh well so do most people here. x

last i heard she just smokes alot of dope and drinks...

But after Kim i wouldn't take Kim Gordon, but Bilinda Butcher from My Bloody Valentine. She's much younger and her voice is cute like in "lose my breath"

I vote for Kimberly Rew of "Walking on Sunshine"-fame. The way that song has so perfectly laced every regularity pill and dick-hardening pharma ad for the past 10 years brings a smile to my face every time I hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXogd90ju7g&p=E9AE4D4136BB8206&playnext=1&index=22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMlcb4Ms0w8

skot you crapped all over The Amps, and called Josie Wiggs the most boring and forgettable musician in your lifetime...how could you? :(

those youtubers go a long way to redeeming yrself though...

(this is v. tough/I love all three (deal; gordon; thayil) a whole lot, but deal takes it...)

I guess I'd go with whichever one has bigger tits.

god I didn't know how long I've been waiting to sb someone.

I love kim gordon ,she's a major part of one of my all time fave bands.
however, deal wins because her songs and voice move me more emotionally than any sy song could.

god I didn't know how long I've been waiting to sb someone.

I KEED I KEED! ...Although it's worth pointing out that references to the superiority of physical attributes to talent happen to litter this thread with little crowd objection. I guess it's legitimate in our society to say "I like the one with the prettier face" or the one who looks more like a MILF-y English teacher but not to say "I like the one with the bigger tits." Why is that? They don't seem all that different to me.

fair enough. I do think Deal is the hottest, but I also love her songs and her voice the most. I'm just a HUGE stan.

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/kim-gordons-clothing-sale/

i'm kind of amazed that Kim would so this but maybe it's just wrong of me to assume that she's wealthy. maybe she isn't but surely.... i mean there's no mention in the article of good causes or charity, not that there necessarily would be. it's just in the article where she mentions that she "didn’t want to go the eBay route". it just seems bizarre to me that Kim hawking her old clothes on ebay would even be a possibility. if she's not hard up i thought she would be giving this stuff away.

"We just priced each item in terms of what it was, more so than who it belongs to. I don’t think Kim was really interested in that.”

considering that you're pricing a second hand Jane Mayle dress for $425 i kind of beg to differ on this.

she wore a lot of really flashy clothes onstage that i can't imagine she had much use for in her daily life, so more than anything else i take this as a further indication that SY's touring days may really be behind them.

i can see some ilxors digging the horsebladder stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkluXV_olYY&feature=relmfu

and speaking of touring i really like the stuff kim has been doing with bill nace. i started a thread for it but nobody cared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH9oOOy2kfQ

think both thurston and kim are doing more interesting things now.

i am gonna see thurston's new band next week, or the week after, i forget.
i don't care much about it but since half that band is friends-of-friends i am willing to dig it.
i loved sonic youth when i was a teen. favorite band.
but i thought when i saw thurston touring behind his last solo record, before i heard the record, i was disappointed at how predictable the songs were -- that same clanging guitar noise in the third quarter of the tune. just... strange. so if he's been re-invigorated or challenged by this chelsea light moving thing then all the better.

i have heard nothing kim's doing with nace -- saw thurston & nace play last year and i was pretty boring.

know what you mean about the clang/drone thing being predictable but the solo thurston show i saw at lincoln center last winter was cool

i'm kind of amazed that Kim would so this but maybe it's just wrong of me to assume that she's wealthy. maybe she isn't but surely

she has a kid going to college, she's divorcing and SY were pretty inactive for awhile before the split. damn straight she needs money

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/showandtalk/07/09/12_gordon_lgl.jpg

seems like a good idea

these days I've changed my mind to Deal. Those first couple Breeders records + the Amps' "Pacer" are unique and underrated

wonder what Deal's "Girl In A Band"-style memoir would be like

I read some recent interview with her where she was being v forthright about aging (not married, no kids, caring for sick/invalid parents) and it really made me feel for her. Plus the sobriety angle. Her and Gordon had very different lives.

this thread is kinda gross though, reading over it

I think there is something highly unusual, maybe even unique, about Deal's role in rock culture and indie rock culture. To go from what was essentially a second-fiddle role in a band that wasn't quite that huge to something where she was the leader/songwriter/singer of a female-dominated group that surpassed her old band in popularity and cultural ubiquity by virtue of her strange combo of bubblegum pop instincts and love of noise/distortion but then there's this grim underside of drug abuse and isolation and it all goes to shit and now no one talks about her, she's like a forgotten one-hit wonder (whereas Gordon still has that dialed-in NY art/fashion/media scene to sustain her and also had the family experience)

Deal

Deal is an icon for me. I admire Gordon a lot, but from a distance. Deal's writing, voice, persona all connect very directly. There are days when she's my all-time favourite songwriter - golden pop sensibility shot through with chaos and darkness. Find me another song as tight-and-loose as London Song or Sinister Foxx, or as offhand menacing as Doe. She's truly unique in an unassuming way.

Her and Gordon had very different lives.
they are very different people! imagine that!

this thread is kinda gross though, reading over it
no surprise here either

i identify with deal about 1000x more (as a person) but it was fun to read gordon's memoir just to see what life was like for her

don't count out the later breeders albums, there's good stuff on mountain battles and especially title tk too. the amps album is probably her pinnacle though.

Title TK is my fave. And Pod of course. I enjoy Pacer but it's slightly too loose and unfocused (sounds a lot boozier than TTK).

Fuck Thurston

bodacious OTM

New Breeders album should hopefully be here soon! They finished recording it a while back.

Thurston Moore pretty much turning into the Sonic Youth-loving Jason Bateman character from Juno is one of the more bizarre things to have happened in recent years. Thurston still gets to hang out and make lists of his favorite albums on the cool websites too.

Her and Gordon had very different lives.
they are very different people! imagine that!

Yeah well I didnt start this thread or invite the comparison, i just wanted to talk about kim deal and she doesn't have a dedicated thread.

I'm loving the mini-revival for Pacer here. I feel like a lot of Gordon's SY songs are underrated but def Deal has connected to more profoundly; I like-to-love every single album of hers. Shakes & MatthewK & La Lechera all otm here

Pacer's one of my fav five or so albums, probably. Always love listening to it. Only picked it up by chance, Back when vinyl wasn't selling much and The Amps had about 10% of the name recognition of The Breeders (iirc Deal once said not just calling it the third Breeders album was her biggest career regret).

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2d3b889c52388030f964d7f499c6668b/tumblr_mzh29fBm411rlxwvfo1_500.gif

haha how was that not the first post on this thread

"Bragging Party" looms over all other songs of the 90s, in my imagination.

otm that song is unbelievable.

haha it's so good my band sampled it

lol it was never clear to me if she was singing "memorized breaths" (as a ref to the harmonies in the song) or "memorized breasts" (which is also funny)

all the static noise on the vocal obscures the phrasing

so I guess I need this Amps album, huh?

yes!

to quote the album itself, it's full of... mythic noise

I've always been a big Pod fan but somehow the Amps thing was never on my radar

Deal's probably otm that releasing the album under a different name from the Breeders was a colossal mistake. You'd think that a follow-up to a huge album would've gotten more attention but it really kind of disappeared.

yeah, I'm a perfect example! already a fan, ready to hear more, missed it completely

Kim Deal is my favorite '90s musician, i think everything she touched that decade is gold and persona-wise she is just really appealing and admirable imo.

sorry kurt

https://68.media.tumblr.com/61b3d6933e63ac5b895b85d27a420335/tumblr_n0rhc40yak1qctvzro1_r2_250.gifhttps://68.media.tumblr.com/4912b2321c92a83edef930690a7b5c83/tumblr_nnld0yKrJ41sbf4sbo1_400.gif

It's always a pleasure to listen to Kim Deal sing.
It's never a pleasure to listen to Kim Gordon sing.

Deal, then.

another point of comparison:
Amps and Free Kitten full-lengths both released 1995 around the same time, I got both, guess which one I held onto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqhOQLD3t0

i just went through ohio and played a show in my hometown and this very short gbv cover warms my heart because it is so ohio and so of its time
and her voice, always

haha thx for that, never seen it before

i still think deal and pollard should've made at least four albums together (i guess they had a falling out?)
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llrzurjzPR1qcziuco1_1280.jpg

breeders played it when i saw them at pfork 2013
i remember freaking out (lol)

^ That picture could not be any more '90s.

could prob get a podcast episode out of it

I love the Breeders' version of Gloomtown. I remember first hearing it in Live in Stockholm

Fwiw I spoke to a woman in NYC in 2002 who claimed she interviewed Kim D backstage at a gig and she was openly smoking heroin but I think she went to rehab for alcoholism rather than heroin and that was before the Pixies reformed so suggestion she did the reformation to support her habit doesn't ring true. She admits to taking lots of drugs in the late 90s. Anyway both these women are icons to me and this thread kinda sucks but here I am adding to it so fuck me I guess.

I assume she did the reunion for the money just like every band does

Pretty nice Kim Deal & Robert Pollard collab that flew under the radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_1ptzs0FM

Kim (& the OG Breeders) is/are still making great music as of 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb46UMdmGqY

Freedom Cruise posted a couple posts up was:

Robert Pollard - guitar & vocals
Tobin Sprout - guitar
Jim Pollard - guitar
Jim Greer - bass
Kim Deal - guitar & backing vocals
Kelly Deal - drums & backing vocals

recorded circa Amps - Pacer & GBV - Alien Lanes

So glad Elijah Wood and you guys repped for Amps - Pacer. What a wonderful album I could have easily missed. Pollard only co-written a track but I kept imagining he had some bigger role because a bunch of songs sound a bit Pollardy to me.

I love that 90s picture of Kim + Pollard + whoever those other people are. That guy at the end of the table was he in Pavement? Probably

Yeah that looks like Mark Ibold

Isn't Kim there with former rock journalist/former Mr. Kim Deal/former GBV member Jim Greer?

Lol yeah... Ibold looks nothing like him.