your favorite of the mark kozelek canon

these are my favs if I had to limit them to ...4

Don't end the obsession without a little Sun Kil Moon!

Nostalgia with pedal steel washes like a flood.

I always *wanted* to like RHP more than I really did--the gauze-o-reverb and the over-long songs never did that much for me--like Durruti Column-cum-TremblingBlueStars. 'Ocean Beach' is definitely my fave amongst the RHP records.

a girl i know loves red house painters. shes a total party girl as well, its sort of incongruous in a way

Where is the love for Old Ramon!?!

Cruiser!!!

Right here. It's all right here. By far the best RHP album. I believe this so deeply, that I can barely listen to anything that came before despite my insane love for his entire output.

Right here. It's all right here. By far the best RHP album.

I really don't understand this at all! it's so disappointing.

To be honest, my favorites are Katysong and Strawberry Hill but people should also take a listen to some of the more obscure stuff. There are a lot of gems there.

listened to "Drop" but couldnt get into it - liked the guitar part at the end a lot and his voice does sound good. havne't listened to Michael yet.

I think the bridge album is the worst. The only decent track is the new version of New Jersey (which stomps all over the rollercoaster version and then puts out back with the trash). But other than that -- dud.

Michael is a great song.

However, judged as a whole, I still stand by my prior statement.

Uncle Joe
Smokey (demo version from the Shanti project disc, NOT the version on Old Ramon)
Ruth Marie
Up To My Neck In You (ac dc cover)

Michael and Katy Song are definitely my favourites.

"I buried my first victim when I was nineteen
Went through her bedroom and the pockets of her jeans
Found her letters that said so many things that really hurt me bad
I'll never breath her name again", etc.

Or do I just have a demented imagination? (apologies on any lyrics I've misheard...of course, that might be the whole problem...)

"Cassius Clay was hated more than Sonny Liston
Some like KK Downing more than Glenn Tipton
Some like Jim Nabors, some Bobby Vinton
I like 'em all"

He's comparing Downing to Tipton, and both were guitarists for Judas Priest. So I assume that's the only Tipton he's referring to in the song. I also read that the Eleanor in the song is an old friend of his.

The pinnacle is still "Medicine Bottle" to me, though "Cruiser" comes very close.

1. The song takes its name from the Priest guitarist, but is not narrated by him

2. The "serial killer" verse is as ambiguous as his relationship with the girl in question. "Buried" and "victim" can be read as metaphors for the ways early romantic love goes wrong, or they could be quite literal. IMHO it's that tension, and the light it casts on the ways of love etc that makes this verse interesting.

Kind of like the tension in "Carry Me Ohio" - can't count all the lovers I've burned through/so why do I still burn for you? vs. sorry that I could never love you back...

Amazing live. go for it.
-- Chris 'Crusty' V (thebing...), May 21st, 2005.

He is amazing live, and it's worth going. But do be prepared to mostly stand around swaying and nodding your head while squinting a bit with that "listening intently" look.

Roll he does; r0x0r he does not.

Go see him! "Mistress" was unbelievable.

My fave individual track is probably still "Katy Song", but I do like the Sun Kil Moon record a lot.

Pretty stoked to see Kozelek in Chicago tonight - but I bet my buddies at the Archers of Loaf reunion show are gonna have more fun!

I'd really like to see him tour with a band. Never saw Red House Painters or Sun Kil Moon...

Katy Song

disappointed me when i heard anecdotes that red house painters were super douches.

grace cathedral park or mistress piano version.

i p much don't like that many of their songs, but the ones i do i fucking love.

yeah it would be nice if he'd tour with a band again. I don' think SKM ever toured as a band; he did one show in SF with a band though, kind of.

although to be honest...I saw RHP a LOT and they could be pretty boring. I mean I adore those albums but sometimes it got kind of dull.

"The only thing I miss about playing with a band is having a guitar tech — a guy that hands me my guitars between songs and is responsible for tuning them. That’s really all I miss."

http://www.sunkilmoon.com/interviewCameronCrowe.html

Really love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nSuTSyymvU

and I think I re-sold the last Kozelek album I bought/was fairly non-plussed by the last Album Leaf album (though have loved other stuff by them both).

katy song, nothing by kozelek has ever touched me like this slowly blossoming song.

Evil
Down Through
Things Mean A Lot

Bumped ... just because "Perils from the Sea" is so lovely.

It's fantastic, but I find I need to listen to it from start to finish to really appreciate it.

There a definite highlights for me, particularly "Gustavo".

Could easily have missed this as was underwhelmed by the last albums by both Kozelek and Album Leaf.

More new stuff coming up:

http://www.caldoverderecords.com/mkds/index4.html

I must admit that, flicking through his website, I found myself wondering how much Kozelek earns - can he pretty much guarantee decent sales of anything he releases? Do sales of Red House Painters releases chug away in the background? Were they even that "big" anyway?

Regardless, I've missed loads by him.

(Not Kozelek but probably not worth starting a distinct threat: anyone heard the two Lavalle releases since Storytellers?)

not liking perils at all, two songs in, why is his poetic metre exactly the same in everything these days?

If you can give it a few more goes you might find it grows on you; I was underwhelmed by cursory listens on line when it came out, but figured I'd get the CD anyway off the strength of "Caroline". Been on rotation for my commute for the last week now and it's *really* opened up - I think I prefer it to the last couple of Sun Kil Moon albums in fact - I love the non-flashy approach by Lavalle, just let the tracks ebb and flow and give Koz room to work with them.

^ Yes, this.

I initially heard when a friend sent me a cd featuring his two favourite tracks from the album. When I bought the album these two tracks stood out as high points but with repeated plays almost all of it sounds pretty special (but not show-y) now.

The last Sun Kil Moon album was the same for me. At first it sounded like such a let down compared to AFP but it became another favorite right along the rest after repeat listens.

Love "1936", in part because I did the same thing as a six year old, stealing dimes out of a collection my dad had. Nothing as precious as the song's dime, but same theft, and feelings of guilt and regret. "Gustavo" and "Caroline", great tracks, too. Also agree with liking it more than the last few SKM albums.

1936 crept up on me. Beautiful stuff. Seemed to get luke warm reviews, this.

Bubble to me is incredible - those building arpeggios

posted this before, but here are my thoughts on the wonderful Bridge album: http://walkingthelongmileshome.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/and-it-feels-so-wonderful-to-swim-in-our-fear-red-house-painters-bridge-1993-track-by-track/

i am really quite obsessed with By the Time that I Awoke from the latest one.

New song: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/a-love-song-to-mom-from-me-and-bonnie-prince-billy/?_r=1

I loved that (article & song). I wish I got to read something like that about every one of his songs and all the rest of my favorite music.

Nice song (although it's always a bit creepy when people contrast their lovers and their mothers).

He's a funny bugger, isn't he?

Just received "Mark Kozelek & Desertshore" and the "Malmo" live CD. Such an incongruity between him being an arse to the crowd in the latter and the compassion in "Brothers" from the former.

pfork review of the desertshore record tried to recast kozelek's recent stream-of-consciousness lyrical moves as a general characteristic of his total body of work which made me :\

guy has always had a weird out-of-nowhere diaristic detail once in a while in his lyrics (i'm thinking maybe the judas priest reference in "glenn tipton" and "my erotic brown eyed toy") but now that shit dominates his work and i find it excruciating

Sun Kil Moon
Release Date: January 14, 2014
(Caldo Verde Records)
Recorded between March and August 2013, Mark Kozelek sings about his childhood years
and his life today. Mark is joined by guest musicians Steve Shelley, Jen Wood, Will Oldham and Owen Ashworth. Album title and song titles to be announced in December.

He's prolific, isn't he?

Listening to the Desertshore album, there were times when I wanted him to edit out some of the detail about touring/travel.

Being a superfan of this guy is stressful because if you don't act immediately you miss out on owning all of the limited releases he churns out. Bonus tracks on limited versions, exclusive live bonus discs, even regular releases that quickly go out of print...

i long ago gave up on doing that. but I do like this desertshore record, way more than the album leaf one.

Well it's not even about completeness for the sake of collecting its just I'd love to own all these alt versions of my favorite songs. Desertshore project is great, yeah.

Down Colorful Hill. Every September.

does he really hate nels cline?

New Sun Kil Moon is called "Benji"

http://www.caldoverderecords.com/images/Benji.jpg

Release date: February 4, 2014

So, can Kozelek "play like Fripp or Johnny Marr/And [I can] play circles 'round Jay Farrar"?

"Perils from the Sea" probably still my favourite album from this year.

lately, my favorite from the "kozelek cannon" is this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaN5DuFA82o

Love this, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JamTWxG4pM

That song is crushing. I've been listening to that album non-stop for months now.

Fairly certain that "Perils" is my album of the year and "Gustavo" my favourite track.

perils is crushing me right now

Hmm ...

Sings Christmas Carols
Release Date: November 10, 2014
(Caldo Verde Records)

All songs performed by Mark Kozelek November/Decemeber 2013
in San Francisco.

TRACK LIST:
Christmas Time Is Here
Do You Hear What I Hear
2,000 Miles
O Come All Ye Faithful (Listen)
O Christmas Tree
Away In A Manger
Silent Night
Hark The Herald Angels Sing
What Child Is This
I Believe In Father Christmas
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
O Little Town Of Bethlehem
The First Noel
The Christmas Song

Don't really know this dude's stuff very well but I find his persona pretty hilarious. Yes, he's a singer-songwriter who writes pretty sensitive songs but also he's MACHO because he swears at audiences and sings about fucking young women. I saw him last year in a normal club with a quiet reverential audience and as soon as he got on stage he started complaining about how it was too cold on stage and made someone from the club go to the dressing room and get his jacket while he sat on stage and complained.

He's got a great voice though.

You mean at Music Hall of Williamsburg? He did this there.

he seems like a real tool bag

No this was at Lincoln Hall in Chicago.

Someone pin a reminder to his shirt to bring his jacket on stage with him.

he certainly seems like a prickly pear and i'm not gonna say glib shit like "#teamkozelek" because for all i know he could be a truly monstrous person ("where there's smoke, there's fire" etc) but i love that one of these indie cult dudes being praised for all the heart-on-sleeve shit he did in the 90s had a moment where they said "fuck it, you want heart on sleeve shit? Here ya go" and started spewing cranky road tales

djh
Posted: November 22, 2013 at 5:20:15 PM
Fairly certain that "Perils" is my album of the year and "Gustavo" my favourite track.

gustavo is really great, having said that I was just listening to an album in my recently added folder and then the new sun kil moon came on and he is so depressed and talking abt someone dying and im all oh gosh man

the degree of attention his rudeness is getting reminds me of the last panel of this: http://www.pipeline.com/~biv/FallNet/comix/gpt1.html

I'm not sure where the comedy ends and the rudeness begins ... which is good, I suppose.

relevant:

The Fake Mark Kozelek (Sun Kill Moon, Red House Painters, Etc.) Tour Story Thread

LOL

Koz enters his Eminem phase

http://www.sunkilmoon.com/hesbad/

dnftt

Anyone care to suggest a post-Perils CDR80?

*post* Perils? heavens no.

A mini-CD?

I've a vague idea that the Kozelek/Album Leaf collaboration is "definitely a one-off" but what's the story there?

Okay but slightly unnecessary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG5imSIR8B0

Album in October:

https://www.normanrecords.com/records/178497-mark-kozelek-petra-haden-joey-always-smiled

Okay but slightly unnecessary:

ghosts of the great highway and april are necessary imo

And Admiral Fell Promises

and Perils!

"Perils" is incredible.

In my top 20 albums of all time.

Playing Mark Kozelek with Ben Boye and Jim White 2 on YouTube and ... it doesn't seem awful or fill me with dread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DQcggz408Y

Bought it and really enjoying.

"Duk Koo Kim" has been coming to mind a lot these days.

nowadays it's "Bubble"

5 disc "Lock Down Recordings" coming up. Probably.

"The Repercussions of the Unreadable Expiration Date on The Introspective Lyrical Diarist" will be explosive.

"The Fifteenth Lap of the First Floor, Monday, 7:36 a.m.", each lap described in detail, with tangents to his youth.

I reached into the fridge saw the milk check the date
I can't believe this milk expires in just one day
Place an order on instacart they said it's been delayed
MY uncle died alone from old milk they say he prayed and prayed
"Oh Mark tell my story about my milk that was old I drank at Panera...
Oh how I got sick and my dying wish is for you to sing to make the people care a
little more about checking the date and to wash crab cakes
down with water instead Mark tell them please be safe for their sake
check the date cause there's other demons out there besides corona
like stupid critics and haters playing beer commercial lead guitar shit through sonos"
I thought about his dying words petting my cat while people clap their hands
outside for health care workers working long shifts or it might just be my idiot fans

*round of applause*

working title: "i showed my balls on the zoom call"

hahaha

https://i.imgur.com/X90Lq0f.jpg

lmao

I thought about his dying words petting my cat while people clap their hands
outside for health care workers working long shifts or it might just be my idiot fans

this is way too good a line to be on a contemporary Koz album

Bravo Evan

yeah, i could hear it in kozelek's voice as i was reading, lol

thanks I channeled the koz and it poured right out

ilx should have pre-covered this, with accurate track times

Mark Kozelek: "All The Best, Isaac Hayes"
(A Spoken Word Album)

April 24, 2020

1. San Francisco (07:47)
2. Vancouver (05:37)
3. Calgary (09:43)
4. Ottawa (10:07)
5. Winnipeg (15:35)
6. Buffalo Valley Rest Area Smith County Welcome Center (10:45)
7. Highway 81 (08:53)
8. Los Angeles (21:50)
9. November (04:58)

Total length: 1:35:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zfspxX38Y

May have said this before but have a plan to compile myself a post-Perils Kozelek/Sun Kil Moon best of/CD-R. Its a bit of an odd one because I can find the same tracks a bit tedious and utterly moving dependent on mood/alcohol use. Won't include him reading fan letters.

I think I really like the new one (although I’m only halfway through - it’s sooo long). Not the best music he has made by far, but the stories are better and the tone is a bit different from he’s schtick for the last five-six years. He might be in a better place.

Too long and needs a better title but something like this:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2fwAhfBSBvpanTpLXuOq1a

His John Denver cover is probably the best thing he's done.

i always end up coming back to april, though ghosts and perils are strong runners up. i still haven't untangled admiral fell promises after all this time but i'm getting there

(The playlist is a Post-Perils one ... It's less of a compilation and more of an argument that he's still doing something interesting though listening to his albums involves the skip button these days).

oh yeah that was a response to the thread title, not your posts

i haven't really dug into the post-benji stuff but "i watched the film the song remains the same" is the main example of the bathos of his newer style working for me rather than whiffing and i'm guessing there's probably a few others like that

That Desertshore album feels transitional, halfway between carefully constructed songs and stream-of-consciousness. I've been listening to it recently, and really enjoy 'Mariette', 'Livingstone Bramble', and 'Tavoris Cloud' as well as 'Brothers'. I haven't heard anything past Benji - feel like I have enough Kozelek albums in my life, and it's pretty universally agreed that returns are way down. Kudos for having the patience to check them all out.

"Hey You Bastard I'm Still Here" from that Desertshore album was the first thing I've heard from him, after ten years of casual listening, to cause me to look up what he actually looks like. He does not look like what I imagined Mark Kozelek looks like. No, I cannot describe right now what I imagined Mark Kozelek looking like. The real Mark Kozelek looks like he works at Panera Bread.

Like a pixar character where mere words take life

I thought he was in his sixties, fifties at least! Old! Maybe had that retired gameshow host, houseboat resident lifestyle "alcoholic topography" sunk into his face (to use a David Berman phrase), an older withered slendered greyed and weakened academic poet retiree, the type of white man who haunts Western Massachusetts with a sweater-rich cowbwebby wardrobe, much more decrepit and sad to the eye than the actual dude himself who looks like his joie-de-vivre is recording emo bands from the affluent northern Chicagoland suburbs when he's not working at that Evanston Panera right before 9/11.

My man has always looked kind of assy

Had a friend of a friend who had dealings with red house painters and he said they were the worst people in a band he ever encountered so I guess you get the face you deserve

painting houses is thankless work and never did nothing for anyone's countenance

https://pitchfork.com/news/mark-kozelek-of-sun-kil-moon-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-by-three-women/

not much of a shocker

Fuck this abusive asshole

He has a denial up on the SKM website which also indicates he's hired a particularly litigious and awful lawfirm in LA called Lavely and Singer so I imagine this might get ugly (uglier)

tbf that's completely on brand for him.

Fucking fuck, this guy

checking in on mark kozelek pic.twitter.com/V36fNDthmw

— dylan (@spiritnght2) March 7, 2021

wow uh that's something even for him

Are those real lyrics?? Jesus.

you gotta be kidding me

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/resources/img/blogs/pinocchio.png
Gets one Pinnochio because Portland has 77,000+ Black people (2.2%), and evidence that Vietnamese people "taste sweeter" than white people is not backed up by any scientific data.

Squint a little and those are Hank Williams Jr. lyrics

Reading the lyrics didn't prepare me for hearing his 'rap' delivery of them

hank jr is a better lyricist

this song is 13.5 minutes long

have you all already forgotten his michael jackson song

The song is a mess. The album is a mess.

I still like a lot of and Red House Painters and Sun Kil Moon material so I tried, albeit briefly, to understand his point about Black Lives Matter but it’s ultimately (and unsurprisingly) pointless. If you can somehow get past the “I’m not racist because I have a Vietnamese girlfriend and a fetish for black chicks,” its basically Black Lives Matter is hypocritical because they don’t care about black crime. That’s so obviously wrong and so explicitly racist that it nullifies the few (possibly) resonate points like caring more about Portland protests than protests anywhere else and good lyrical moments like the verses about kids having graveyard sex.

I also love the moment where he says he was brought up right despite writing songs for decades that clearly demonstrate he wasn’t brought up right.

Remember the beautiful poetry circa 2010 and earlier? He was an incredibly tasteful artist then on all fronts. He’s gone off the deep end. You know he is convinced he is pushing boundaries with this approach.

he's just reciting run of the mill daily newspaper online article commenter bullshit

"I thought he was in his sixties, fifties at least!" He is in his 50's, so not sure which picture you saw.

also good timing for me as I listened to Admiral Fells and April last night then listened to Among the Leaves (which I still kind of like) and its pretty clear something shifted in his interest in writing songs right there, because everything after that is an explosion of all the shit that didn't work on that album taken to the nth level. Really, let's pretend he died after Admiral Fells Promises and left a really good catalog behind.

I basically agree with that other than the pleasant blip that was Perils From the Sea. but he's entered Moz territory where I have a hard time listening even to the old good stuff now.

Benji was the last album of his I've heard and it's been a long time. I know that was the one where he went all in with this boringly diaristic approach to songwriting, but I don't remember him being completely off his rocker quite yet. Increasingly glad that was where I gave up on him though.

his weirdness about fetishizing asian women is like... totally a part of his pre-among the leaves catalog y'all. this is just saying the quiet part loud

he is also a rapist

sorry to enter the convo like this but this dude ruined a lot of my favorite music of all time

Yeah, Brad makes the point clearly. I will still, always, have a space in my heart for "Michael" from the very first release. It's a beautiful song about a lost friendship with (ironically?) a total fuckup, but done in a way that allows for empathy even despite it all, and it's so gorgeously sung and performed. It's the one song I'll keep from everything he's done, and I have to think about it as the work of a young man before any hint of even subcultural fame thanks to 4AD picking up that demo. Like a 'what if' that hangs in space.

Not going to deny any of the above but "Duk Koo Kim" has been swirling around my head for the past few days after I got some really terrible news about a friend of mine. It's just shitty that the same guy who wrote those lyrics lost the thread so abusively/idiotically/defensively etc

also good timing for me as I listened to Admiral Fells and April last night then listened to Among the Leaves (which I still kind of like) and its pretty clear something shifted in his interest in writing songs right there, because everything after that is an explosion of all the shit that didn't work on that album taken to the nth level. Really, let's pretend he died after Admiral Fells Promises and left a really good catalog behind.

― akm, Monday, 8 March 2021 14:47 (one hour ago) link

I've more or less written your exact post in a hundred different ways, but yes- there were interviews near when AFP came out where he mentioned being obsessed with Segovia and some other classical players and deciding that with AFP he was going to set out to make the must beautiful album he possibly could. And he did! The reception was sort of lukewarm. Regardless, it is obvious that he poured his entire self into it and likely burned himself out. Understandably, Among the Leaves was him shifting gears and being looser. Probably felt nice to do something like that in contrast to AFP. Then with some traumatic losses of acquaintances and probably some midlife crisis feelings, he leaned in on an even rawer, cathartic, even more unfussy songwriting style with the last Desertshore collab and it must have felt so right that he went even further for the Benji material. Then all of the excessive accolades around that record- all the attention, the contrast with the reception of THAT vs all the hard work he put into AFP... I think the personal life stuff, the discrepancy in those album receptions, the spike in fans and attention- I think he just unraveled. He got it in his head that he was onto something new and daring and brave and punk rock. He got himself into trouble with other public figures and did all sorts of provoking. Probably feeling like he was creating this iconic interesting eccentric artist persona though it. But he is SO many albums deep into it. Little hints of musical beauty pop up here and there but this whole catalog of late period SKM is him going against his better instincts. Because his natural instincts made the straightforward singer songwriter stuff of his early career and he thinks that's all BORING now.

Conclusion: he is completely delusional, and I agree, just pretend he quit after AFP perhaps. HOWEVER, also pretend that the song Young Love was the actual final track of AFP because it would and should have been his swan song. If you read this whole comment and don't know that song and also hate him, please listen to that song and get back to me I'm legitimately curious what you think.

I got into RHP in the early 00s when they were about as obscure a band as you could find - I only learned about them by trawling through AllMusic reviews whilst working long night shifts at a hotel, and had to go to the one specialty CD store in my home city to buy their albums as imports.

They had this sombre, tortured singer who I only knew the look of because of his small part in Almost Famous. Their haunting, mournful music spoke to me in a way few other artists have before or since - the lyrics and vocals seemed to come from this impossibly deep well of suffering and sensitivity.

The fact that no one else I knew had even heard of them, let alone ever heard their stuff played on the radio, made it all the more special, like it was this secret only I knew about. I listened to those first few RHP albums constantly and loved Ghosts of the Great Highway and his AC/DC covers album too (though it was different to the older stuff).

Fair to say pretty that much everything that's happened with Mark in the 20 years since then (and particularly the last 10) is one massive, deeply depressing WTF.

You weren't a fan of the first 10 years of SKM?

I enjoyed those records (although they were a bit of a departure), but I meant more Koz's gradually increasing public presence/'fame' and the slowly dawning realisation that he was this creepy, disturbed guy.

I saw him do a live solo gig circa 2005 in a pub and he was completely sullen and disengaged, despite the crowd consisting almost entirely of ultra-hardcore fans like myself who were thrilled to see him. He just seemed to resent us for being there or something, it was weird. He finished his set abruptly and just shrugged off stage and out of the pub like a moody adolescent busker - it was the furthest thing possible from '15 year music vet and beloved cult icon'.

I guess I'd just assumed his persona was at least some sort of 'act' and that he actually had a functioning personality underneath (kinda like Robert Smith who's had a stable relationship his entire adult life despite perpetually singing about doomed love).

To find out that he really didn't, and then the unravelling that's happened since Pitchfork anointed him has been pretty brutal to watch.

Right. I am relieved that I don't have to feel conflicted about supporting him anymore because he refuses to make anything listenable, so there's nothing for me to support. Sometimes I research the "current SKM fan" as an anthropologist because I'm amazed that there are loads of people that gobble all these recent albums up. At this point it seems he wouldn't be able to disappoint them if he tried, and he really seems like he's trying doesn't it.

I saw him do a live solo gig circa 2005 in a pub and he was completely sullen and disengaged,

Hah, I saw him do the same in the fall of 1998 - just bitching about the mix, then his life, so he was pulling this shit for years.

Still adore the first Sun Kil Moon and recently got into "Perils".

ultimately the revelations about him and the way they align with his current music to the point where there's no distance between the shitty personality and the shitty music at all have made me sort of believe that all of the rhp and early skm stuff is a mask that he put on to make people like him or make people think he was profound, and even that stuff contains lyrics like

Won't you whisper in my ear?
You look so good against my mirror
And you're my baby full of joy
You're my erotic brown eyed toy
You're my exotic black haired toy

so fuck him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEf_Wfqou3I

He just seemed to resent us for being there or something

hasn't he written songs about how he resents that his hardcore fans who have been most of his audience for the past two decades are nearly all men instead of the attractive young women who used to make up some of the audience for rhp in the early days

Yeah

Sunshine in Chicago makes me feel pretty sad
My band played here a lot in the nineties when we had
Lots of female fans and fuck, they all were cute
Now, I just sign posters for guys in tennis shoes

Oops

Sunshine in Chicago makes me feel pretty sad
My band played here a lot in the nineties when we had
Lots of female fans and fuck, they all were cute
Now, I just sign posters for guys in tennis shoes

preferred the first post tbh

that is a funny verse TBF. And that verse from Old Ramon is fucking awful; I remember when that finally came out how much those lyrics bugged me. Anyway: RHP were never a great live band, in case anyone is wondering. I saw them probably a dozen times, and I remember one really good show. Their last show, which was after Old Ramon was finally released, was such a slog I left early.

I might have written that here already but when I saw him during the Benji tour he explained the reason he cancelled the previous Montreal show a few years prior was that he hooked-up with this gorgeous Torontonian and after having sex all night he lost his voice and couldn't possibly sing the next show.

hate it when i fuck my voice out

thank god I have posting on ilx as an outlet

More grist for the Toronto vs. Montreal feud.

I remember checking out the rollercoaster s/t in the early 00s and feeling immensely disappointed because it was nowhere near as depressing as the critics made it out to be, so I never explored the rest of his output.

Sometimes I worry, Pom.

Haha, that was almost twenty years ago. Almost everything had to achieve the same degree of anguish as the fifth movement of Schnittke's 4th String Quartet or I wasn't interested.

I feel like Pomenitul would have been my friend 20 years ago. If I'd had friends.

I've made some progress in the interim, but I can still be your trve miserablist friend.

I feel like I'm reading a eulogy thread

rollercoaster is one of my favorite albums, and i love depressing music, but I don't think it's really 'depressing'. it's melancholy.

(XP)
Poll: Is Mark Kozelek dead to you?
- Yes
- No

OK in conclusion I will pretend Young Love was the actual final song on AFP, he quits music, then a few years later the material from Among The Leaves comes out but as part of a SKM b-sides and rarities comp. I'll just assume that's how it went down.

'Pristine' by Snail Mail sounds like 'San Geronimo' sped up. That was driving me crazy.

https://pitchfork.com/news/sun-kil-moon-mark-kozelek-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-by-seven-more-women/

real real bleak stuff

He's a predator with a practiced regimen of luring and raping women less than half his age in city after city all over the world. There are surely more of these stories.

What a repulsive excuse for a human being.

I feel like I need to take a shower after reading about this scumbag.

you can hear the rot from the start on rollercoaster; from grace cathedral park:

Tell me why are you like this? Are you the same with anyone?
Save me from my sickness and tell me why do you treat me like this?
Tell me why are you like this? Are you the same with anyone?
Save me from my sickness and tell me why are you like this?

i think i know the answers to those questions!!

i never want to hear his music again

I've been there for a few years (ever since that weird unilateral feud with War on Drugs), but this really reinforces it x1000.

nels cline 1, koz 0

This I guess is the AITA thread referenced in the Pitchfork article, although the original seems to be gone now.

AITA for feeling weird about my girlfriend talking on the phone with her celebrity hero? https://t.co/rmCeysvTCP pic.twitter.com/UmsxJjldcS

— Am I the Asshole? (@AITA_reddit) October 16, 2019