nina simone - search and destroy

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where to start apart from her greatest hits collections?

blahbarian, Monday, 16 May 2005 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Nina Simone And Piano (RCA, 1970)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 16 May 2005 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have much of her so I can't fully compare it with her other work, but the live album At Town Hall from 1959 is very very beautiful. Quite sparse and dark (just piano, bass and drums).

Orange (Orange), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Emergency Ward/It is finished" two live albums available as a package now. The First one includes an *atonishing* 20 minute verison of "My Sweet Lord".

jed_ (jed), Monday, 16 May 2005 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nina Simone At Carnegie Hall is really excellent.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Wild is the Wind * High Priestess of Soul (sold together on Polygram CD)
Little Girl Blue (Bethlehem, 1957)

also, the double-disc set "Sugar in my Bowl 1967-1972" may be a collection, but it's not a typical "Best Of" and is one of my favorites. Some great outtakes, dialogs, covers, beautifully recorded, and really showcasing her odd (in context) and wonderful piano style.

william fields, Monday, 16 May 2005 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"This Year's Kisses" kills me every time.

Huk-L, Monday, 16 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Search "Everything must change," because it may be the most moving song ever.

brittle-lemon, Monday, 16 May 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing of hers I've ever heard worth destroying is 'Everyone's Gone To the Moon'.

Not even she can save a Jonathan King song.

bham, Monday, 16 May 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

_The Blues_ is killer, start to finish.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Search "Everything must change," because it may be the most moving song ever.

Seconded. And the album is comes from (Baltimore) is mainly great.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Search "Sinner Man" — blistering soul freakout.

electricderby, Monday, 16 May 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

funkier than a mosquiters tweeter. funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...
I seem to recall a thread like this before, because I seem to recall apologetically linking to my own Which Nina Simone Album Will You Like? O Matic.

A.C.M.E., Thursday, 16 June 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

also, the double-disc set "Sugar in my Bowl 1967-1972" may be a collection, but it's not a typical "Best Of" and is one of my favorites.

Mmmmm, and longer versions of loads of the RCA material, which is my favourite period.


Destroy? Nina's Back!. Keep trying, keep hating.

Search? Little Girl Blue, Mr Bojangles, Four Women, To Be Young, Gifted And Black, In The Morning, Do What You Gotta Do, My Sweet Lord/Isn't It A Pity?, Just Like A Woman, Angel Of The Morning, Let It Be Me, Mood Indigo, The Other Woman, I Get Along Without You Very Well, The Desperate Ones, Be My Husband, End Of The Line, Suzanne, Tell It Like It Is, Cotton-Eyed Joe, To Love Somebody, Feelin' Good (incl. the Joe Clausell remix), Sinnerman (incl. the Felix Da Housecat remix), Wild Is The Wind, I Put A Spell On You, the *fantastic* funky Save Me from the reissue of ...And Piano! ...and, of course, Funkier Than A Mosquito's Tweeter.

A.C.M.E., Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, and Private Collection is also heartbreakingly poor.

A.C.M.E., Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

you forgot her take on 'strange fruit', chilling version...

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

you forgot her take on 'strange fruit', chilling version...


No argument here.

Bad argument here (worst thing I've read on music for weeks): "It's impossible for anyone to sing Strange Fruit without sounding like an agitprop fanatic."

A.C.M.E., Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Forbidden Fruit Colpix 1961

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

destroy it all.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Oh man, (the recently reissued) Nina Simone Sings The Blues rules.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, whaddya hate about Nina? (I'm asking cuz I'm curious, not outraged)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 June 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

he must be jokiing, suely? Nina may be a sacred cow in the music world but she is for good reasons. i can't imagine anyone ever wanting any of it destroyed.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 18 June 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

I've never heard anything from NS that even comes close to deserving destruction.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 18 June 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

deserves destruction? nah but there is something haughty and off-putting about her to my ears she sounds stilted and cold. "cabaret blues" yuk. but many ppl worship at her altar so who am I to judge.

I remain agnostic. Nina Simone is not consigned to the flames.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

What do you all think of The Tomato Collection?

douglas eklund (skolle), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

from another thread:


"I read an interview once where someone asked Nina how she felt about being compared to Billie. She said she hated it because she thought Billie had an ugly voice."

see, that's funny, cuz nina simone had one of the ugliest voices i've ever heard. the one good thing i can say about her is that she is totally forgotten in the u.s, so i never have to hear her (unless i listen to democracy now or pacifica or something. which i never do.). a tougher taking sides would have been billie vs dinah or something (and dinah could have taken nina out with one hand tied behind her back if we are talking tough broads. nina was just a cry-baby.) maybe abby lincoln -vs- nina would be more fair. two third-tier failed pop stars turned semi-revolutionary priestess. (i'd take abby.)

-- scott seward (skotro...), March 19th, 2005 9:51 PM. (scott seward) (link)


sorry for going off like that. i really try to be positive on ilm. it's just some people...i can't even honestly think of a singer that i dislike more! it's something visceral when i hear that voice. that croak. it's just rubs me in so many wrong ways i don't know where to begin. i mean, i would rather listen to billy corgan! (not that i would, but hypothetically if i HAD to listen to someone i can't stand.) i shoulda just said: "as a singer she was one helluva piano player!"

-- scott seward (skotro...), March 19th, 2005 10:51 PM. (scott seward) (link)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

i spelled abbey lincoln's name wrong. sorry abbey!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

i hate to speak ill of the evil dead though, so i won't post about her on ilm ever again. like i said, i want to stay positive. i think it's nice that, not unlike the fun lovin' criminals, she managed to find fame in europe. good for her. maybe europeans heard something of The Terror or The Plague in her old world moan.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

It Is Finished= Supreme.

I've always liked her voice a lot, but I like very unusual voices a lot, especially in women.

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

"but I like very unusual voices a lot, especially in women."

I do too!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

she went thru a mild USA revival a couple years ago, though. maybe there was a movie w/ one of her songs in it? cause a couple non/musicgeek friends of mine started asking me abt Nina Simone and I was like "why her why now" but I think that moment has passed.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 18 June 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

scott you're such a positive guy in general that your occasional blasts of negativity come across as well, constructive criticism.

(but you were too easy on that silly NY Times/freakfolk article)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 18 June 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

maybe there was a movie w/ one of her songs in it?

The first time I ever heard the name Nina Simone was in the movie Point of No Return, but that was 1993. The only other thing I can think of was the ending of Before Sunset where Ethan Hawke puts on "Just In Time" (version off The Tomato Collection I believe) in Julie Delpy's apartment and they have a short discussion of her.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

she went thru a mild USA revival a couple years ago, though. maybe there was a movie w/ one of her songs in it? cause a couple non/musicgeek friends of mine started asking me abt Nina Simone and I was like "why her why now" but I think that moment has passed.

well... she died a couple of years ago!!!

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 18 June 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I was also introduced to Nina via Point of No Return (wow did I love that movie), but more recently, her "Sinnerman" was used to great effective in the Pierce Brosnan remake of The Thomas Crown Affair ('99, I think).

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 19 June 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Just picked this one up in pristine condition at the record store:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0001ZXMCM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

It is stunningly good. Nina sounds utterly exhausted (and mentions that she is during one of her monologues) and world-weary to point of slurring and mumbling her words. She also sounds wasted or just totally out of it. But the music is completely striking and gorgeous. I've been feeling a bit exhausted myself lately so maybe it's just matching my mood, but the point remains.

matt2, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 02:58 (seventeen years ago)

'Who knows where the time goes' out from that Black Gold album is one of my favorite Nina Simone performances, she almost bleeds the song out.

Moka, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 04:02 (seventeen years ago)

How's this one: Protest Anthology?

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 26 August 2008 04:06 (seventeen years ago)

I like that Black Gold album, but the recording quality on it is pretty bad (even for a live album), especially with high sounds.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 08:50 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

So, assuming I haven't heard any Nina Simone before, where do I start? Sings the Blues?

Mordy, Sunday, 9 May 2010 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

Tomato Collection. Double CD. Its all live but this is where she is at her most astonishing. Don't know if this is hard to find or anything. I've had it for years and love it to death. I think she might be the only person i know where I prefer her live stuff to her recorded stuff. I'm sure somebody will correct me or provide a better studio alternative.

Hinklepicker, Monday, 10 May 2010 03:44 (sixteen years ago)

I'm on a major discovery of hers. I recommend the remaster of Live at the Village Gate. "You'll Never Walk Alone" on there is...indescribable.

Is there a Nina Simone POX thread? I'll have to put a list together.

john. a resident of chicago., Monday, 10 May 2010 04:44 (sixteen years ago)

i'm partial to "pastel blues" and "wild is the wind"--two of her philips albums.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:27 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gAgP-LG0cQ

if you have never heard this... well, turn off the lights and prepare yourself.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:28 (sixteen years ago)

it's a slow song, but she takes it so. fucking. slow. sort of like jimmy scott. love it.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:29 (sixteen years ago)

^^^^ Seconded. In fact that was how I first heard it (well, the Colpix version of it), in the dark on headphones, and it was just one of those moments where you realise that there's music out there in the world that you need to get into your life.

The one-disc Colpix Years cd is a tremendous introduction to Nina; genius throughout, and not too much of it to be intimidating.

Officer Pupp, Monday, 10 May 2010 11:40 (sixteen years ago)

If you buy CDs, this two-fer is a pretty nice start (at least it was for me). Looks like you can get it used for $3:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BN6NNCJ1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Mark, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:50 (sixteen years ago)

IMO, comps are not the way to go with Nina. Many of the albums are patchy, but she is the type of artist where the bad/weird choices give insight into what she was about. To appreciate her work as a whole, you have to accept its complexity.

Mark, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:57 (sixteen years ago)

the one good thing i can say about her is that she is totally forgotten in the u.s, so i never have to hear her (unless i listen to democracy now or pacifica or something. which i never do.).

Love the self-hating leftism of this.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:01 (sixteen years ago)

I'm slowly working my way through the new biography about her by Nadine Cohodas (who has written about Ches Records and Dinah Washington). Well-researched but it's a bit exhausting reading through one concert review excerpt after another.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0375424016?tag=root04c-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=0375424016&adid=04YKGG8KX60NG0QQN5F9&

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:49 (sixteen years ago)

Chess

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 May 2010 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

Mordy, you also need to listen to "Sinnerman" & her version of Sandy Denny's "Who Knows Where The Time Goes?" if you haven't

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)

"Love the self-hating leftism of this."

the only times i have ever heard nina simone on the radio i was listening to either npr or amy goodman's democracy now. i don't listen to npr or amy goodman much at all. thus, it is easy for me to never hear nina simone on the radio. what's self-hating about that?

scott seward, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:49 (sixteen years ago)

or, wait, maybe you are calling pacifica and democracy now self-hating. i'm confused! sorry.

scott seward, Monday, 10 May 2010 16:53 (sixteen years ago)

Love, love, love Nina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flsRJ1knNkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFiCLNhM8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_BWNzThJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ATFsXmX4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7w7gk1JhQ

All of these except "Baltimore" are available on this: http://www.discogs.com/Nina-Simone-Anthology/release/643211

And since I can never hear Ne Me Quitte Pas without hearing Thomas Brinkmann's take on it, listen to that here: http://www.divshare.com/download/11330296-877

matt2, Monday, 10 May 2010 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

Another favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtMpa4eHd4

matt2, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

Ha, I have finally found out what Scott S. does not like. He listens to metal vocalists and disco vocalists and all kinds of '50s through the present rock and r'n'b vocalists but Nina Simone's voice and Pacifica talk show voices annoy him

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:41 (sixteen years ago)

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Dskcd8jdw

The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:14 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dntswUJGKDo&feature=related

The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

^^^seriously everybody listen to that shit

The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:25 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, this album is v. good and like nothing else in her discography (that I have heard).

http://images.wikia.com/lyricwiki/images/4/41/Nina_Simone_-_Emergency_Ward.jpg

Mark, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:45 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

working in my office and "Isn't It a Pity" came on and about eight minutes in i was unconsciously tearing up

slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

wild is the wind is indisputably her best work!

uberweiss, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:47 (fifteen years ago)

Sugar In My Bowl a great 2cd compi of her turn of the 70s material. It used to be a constant in the cheap disc section of the local chain cd store, not sure if it was mid price originally.
Always struck me that for somebody who was so vocally militant there were a lot of songs by white singer/songwriters from her at the time.
One of my favourite songs on there is a Bee Gees cover called In The Morning, still havenm't found original. Just found them doing it live on a set I torrented from Dime.
& 22nd Century is great too. As is Consummation

Stevolende, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

Without question, Nina Simone in Concert from 1964.

Spare jazz ensemble devoid of the fluffy orchestrations that ruin so many of her other recordings.

This is the sweet spot where she had developed her chops, but hadn't yet started riding her own coat-tails.

Set-list includes everything from Gershwin to Kurt Weill to Simone originals.

Vibrant, and at times, unsettling performance in front of a (what I expect was) a coat-and-tie wearing NYC audience.

Nina seems to be hitting the bottle pretty hard on these nights, and while some of it gets a tad sloppy, she really lets it all hang out.

I've listened to just everything in her catalog - nothing compares to in Concert - and it's the only Nina Simone I'll ever need.

suspecterrain, Thursday, 31 March 2011 09:02 (fifteen years ago)

I thought I had heard all the great Nina Simone songs by now but this is spectacular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYcgCiWAv8c

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 09:06 (fifteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

22nd Century is awesome. Ws making a vocal jazz compilation...and now I'm just listening to Nina. Can't stop.

Ws gonna revive the 'artist everyone on ILM likes' to include her but I see Scott's comments upthread...actually kinda surprising there aren't more people who dislike her voice, something v rough and aunt-like about it. Not that I'd include myself in that crowd as I like the voice.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 March 2012 10:16 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

someone already mentioned this upthread but for real DAMN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqdyI570pMo

fennel cartwright, Sunday, 11 November 2012 11:10 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm on such a huge Nina Simone kick right now. The RCA collection has been on constant play at home the past couple of weeks.
I was always aware of about 15-20 songs by her, but man what an artist.

nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 19 October 2014 17:52 (eleven years ago)

I had only heard this as easy listening fodder of the type my parents liked. Nina's version has this classical piano rippling away underneath sustained vibrato notes. Genuinely moving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0P0Qc2YSQs

Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:57 (eleven years ago)

May have already said this somewhere above but I love a 2cd set called 'Sugar In My Bowl' which covers a lot of material around the turn of the 70s.
Odd thing is how many white pop-folk/singer-songwriters such an outspoken black power supporter was covering. But all done very well.
Dunno if it's still available, pretty sublime anyway.

Stevolende, Monday, 20 October 2014 15:14 (eleven years ago)

'Nuff Said! is a really powerful live album recorded just a few days after MLK's assassination. Most of her stuff from that era is pretty amazing, but the context (and a song written expressly about King's death) makes that album stand out for me.

What Lies Behind The Beehive? (Old Lunch), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:46 (eleven years ago)

i like when she does shlocky show tunes and film title music, like the theme from "sayonara"

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 05:11 (eleven years ago)

I love most of her music but really wish she had more of those 'tribal dance/funky' songs like See-line Woman and Funkier than a mosquito's tweet and less of the sad songs.

Moka, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 07:09 (eleven years ago)

Might have been because she felt like not enough people danced at her concerts and that she was playing for corpses. That's what you get for playing for rich 60s folks, Nina.

Moka, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 07:30 (eleven years ago)

I have The Tomato Collection and it is amazing - she sounds haunted, possessed by some kind of strong fuck you spirit and deep sadness as well as a a tough proud dignity but then it seems by all accounts she was actually this: angry, sad or exultant much of the time - so this was an accurate reflection of who she was. She hardly got her dues - just cos she was wild, eccentric and no cookie cutter musician. ALSO have the Montreaux Concert from...1974 on DVD again she is completely singular, furious and compelling. Amazing pounding beautiful piano. Lots of adjectives thrown around here but when I think of her I just feel speechless, inarticulate with amazement at her greatness so all I can do is throw these waffly superlatives out into the heather.

Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 08:17 (eleven years ago)

Ether.

Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 08:18 (eleven years ago)

funkier than a mosquiters tweeter. funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.funkier than a mosquiters tweeter.
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:34 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 10:36 (eleven years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/raised-voice?src=longreads

In the course of events that night, she was introduced to King, and Schackman remembered that she stuck her hand out and warned him, “I’m not nonviolent!” It was only when King replied, gently, “Not to worry, sister,” that she calmed down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHXtB9ssnhw

Milton Parker, Sunday, 8 February 2015 22:30 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

i got to see what happened, miss simone? last night. it was done quite well, i thought. lots of uninterrupted concert footage, and the bio elements were handled competently, no eliding the difficult stuff, no pat judgments or anything. there were some ommissions because the estate is so fractured. pretty amazing they were able to put together what they did in spite of the challenges.

i was a mess through the whole thing, naturally. her genius is searing, and the story behind it all is incredibly moving.

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 16:42 (eleven years ago)

it's on HBO this summer.

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 19:18 (eleven years ago)

desperate to see this

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 22:00 (eleven years ago)

Will have to see if I can use someone's HBO Go password to watch it

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:26 (eleven years ago)

i think it's on netflix soon?

mattresslessness, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:13 (eleven years ago)

It's all about the stuff she recorded between 71-73 for me right now: Black Gold, Emergency Ward, It Is Finished. If her albums weren't so patched together (live material smushed with old studio sessions) she could have made a masterpiece during that period.

Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:45 (eleven years ago)

Agreed. I've always wondered if she didn't possess a stubborn contrariness that precluded that somehow. I also love her albums in the late 60s with all the Bee Gees and Beatles covers on 'em.

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Friday, 24 April 2015 13:10 (eleven years ago)

as no one has said it for a while, and piano is incredible & does the job for me

ogmor, Friday, 24 April 2015 16:00 (eleven years ago)

interested in that doc!
was just recently blown away by her cover of randy newman's "baltimore."

tylerw, Friday, 24 April 2015 16:03 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

It's on Netflix today. 30 minutes deep and I'm already pretty sure it's one of the best-made music docs I've seen in quite a few years.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 June 2015 02:54 (ten years ago)

Y'all this is how a music documentary should be made. I am gutted right now. Everything about it was so sad and beautiful and perfect.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 June 2015 04:35 (ten years ago)

Thanks for the tip, gonna watch this today! I love her music but I've never seen any documentary about it.

Tuomas, Saturday, 27 June 2015 09:44 (ten years ago)

v excited for this

you throw darts like a lesser man and owe me cash (stevie), Saturday, 27 June 2015 09:45 (ten years ago)

Curious about seeing it, but since I read the flawed bio Princess Noire, I am not exactly looking forward to seeing the depiction of Simone's tough years with bipolar issues on the screen, though of course that is part of her life and reality

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 June 2015 13:39 (ten years ago)

I find her discography daunting. I bought the two disc best-of Anthology album about ten years ago. I love it, but not sure how much more I should seek out.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Saturday, 27 June 2015 22:54 (ten years ago)

oh you should seek out everything, at least through the early-mid 1970s (some would tell you to keep going into the early '80s)

thanks for the tip on the netflix doc, will watch this weekend!

wizzz! (amateurist), Sunday, 28 June 2015 02:10 (ten years ago)

There's a complete RCA albums collection on spotify that really opened her up for me

Heez, Sunday, 28 June 2015 02:27 (ten years ago)

this was good and honest except it didn't offer much insight into why she's a musical genius or whatever

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 03:32 (ten years ago)

no offense, but if you have to ask

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 June 2015 04:37 (ten years ago)

I do! As much as I appreciated the archival footage and honesty from the sources, there's no explication of her art. Like scott above, I'm a skeptic.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 12:07 (ten years ago)

i like her more now though!

my brother-in-law played an album for me years ago that i really liked and i turned the corner there. and then i heard this in a movie and it sounded kinda great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ycirYfmcY

scott seward, Sunday, 28 June 2015 14:05 (ten years ago)

I do! As much as I appreciated the archival footage and honesty from the sources, there's no explication of her art. Like scott above, I'm a skeptic.

there are brief flashes in the doc though describing how she brought a classical sensibility to folk, blues, and jazz forms, and in a really seamless and graceful way. so that's one of the things there

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 June 2015 15:55 (ten years ago)

That's one of the things that's always set her apart for me. There's a real formality to the music itself, not a whole lot of playing around with grooves and such, but a super buttoned-up and almost clinical approach to the accompaniment that lays a bed for her to really channel all the emotion through her voice and her voice alone.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:08 (ten years ago)

she gets me on a purely visceral level first and intellectually/musically secondarily

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:12 (ten years ago)

That classical sensibility is what turns me off, I've realized. I'm never gonna be a fan.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:16 (ten years ago)

the doc also made me realize what a totally unbelievable guitarist alan schackman is

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:23 (ten years ago)

Yes! Knew nothing about him before watching this.

Heez, Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:47 (ten years ago)

Ban al

smoke weed listen to Satie (wins), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:19 (ten years ago)

Loved this documentary. Is there a full live concert recording available to watch? Her live take of Hollis Brown on YouTube is one of my favorite performances from anyone ever. So powerful.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:34 (ten years ago)

There's a full version of Stars on YouTube that's worth watching

Heez, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:37 (ten years ago)

The first couple minutes of that Montreux appearance are riveting.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:39 (ten years ago)

I don't think the documentary was even aiming to be any kind of in-depth analysis of Simone's music, or what made it special... I think the long concert clips kinda served that purpose; if you didn't know her music before, they should be enough to make it clear what an unique artist she was. If you still don't like the music after seeing all the clips, I don't think any amount of talking heads analyzing the tunes is gonna change your opinion.

I think starting with the 1976 Montreux clip and then returning to it towards the end of the film was a very clever move from the director. Even if you're not familiar with Simone or her life story, the clip in the beginning should be enough to illustrate that she was not your typical performing artist, that she was kinda out there and abrasive, but also quite delicate. And, then, after hearing her life story, all the social and personal and psychological troubles she went through, when the doc returns to the Montreux clip, you can almost read all that personal history into her performance, and what may at first glance seem like superfluous artistic eccentrities (like Simone angrily commanding some woman in the audience to "sit down!") become illuminated. Of course it's partly just projection, if you hadn't heard all those stories before seeing the clip again, you proabably couldn't read all that into it... But it's still very effective, very moving.

Tuomas, Monday, 29 June 2015 08:41 (ten years ago)

Its a very sad movie, and doesn't offer any kind of in-depth analysis of Simone's music other than to tell you about her classical and church gospel training.

Like the Mavis Staples doc, it doesn't offer anyone discussing their albums, how they chose songs, how they were produced, and how they were received by the public and critics alike. That biography of her doesn't necessarily do this either. It does document the countless live shows she did at various points in her life, but in a numbing way without enough analysis.

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 June 2015 14:05 (ten years ago)

According to the doc, if you're a fan, no explanations are necessary. I would gladly have sat through a two-hour doc. The concert clips showing how radicalism transformed her shows whetted my appetite for more. What was going on in the studio? How were she and her band and producers assembling material? How did her choice of covers reflect the radicalism?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 June 2015 14:09 (ten years ago)

I agree that a little more about her choice of songs would have been very interesting. I think it was one of her strongest attributes.

Heez, Monday, 29 June 2015 14:24 (ten years ago)

i do like how she could make any song her own. she was the mark kozelek of her day.

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:11 (ten years ago)

she'd be shaming Pitchfork writers in 2015.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 June 2015 15:12 (ten years ago)

i still hate randy newman though. but i don't hate nina's "baltimore". the baltimore album is the only one i own. i wanted to have "everything must change" on vinyl.

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:18 (ten years ago)

La Simone for sure one of the most legendary song stylists. That's the connecting glue to Sinatra et al, altho she radically and emphatically moved beyond that type of categorization and "jazz vocalist" label in most other respects. If anything, she was more of an interpretive folk singer in the jazz idiom.

vmajestic, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:41 (ten years ago)

i wonder how she felt about roberta flack. roberta took "suzanne" to the bank.

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:52 (ten years ago)

i love chapter two and quiet fire in a way that i have never loved a nina album, but if this thread tells you anything about me, i never say never.

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:54 (ten years ago)

wow, i have impeccable timing. the beatles, gospel, and classical on roberta's hit parade:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/29/roberta-flack-soundtrack-of-my-life-fugees-killing-me-softly

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:57 (ten years ago)

you'll never guess what her favorite hip hop song is...

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:58 (ten years ago)

i just read online somewhere that nina and roberta toured together at one point. so i guess that answers my question.

scott seward, Monday, 29 June 2015 16:30 (ten years ago)

Roberta Flack I def have time for and noted the similarities.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 June 2015 16:31 (ten years ago)

Roberta and Nina are birds of a feather, altho Roberta def skews more "pop". Lots of invisible quotes when it comes to these two as they epitomize blurred boundaries.

vmajestic, Monday, 29 June 2015 16:45 (ten years ago)

Made a playlist with (almost) all the songs from the doc

https://open.spotify.com/user/shinsuzuki/playlist/2pSd5HTO74qm758slQQu5E

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 29 June 2015 17:12 (ten years ago)

one thing i really like about nina simone is that, at her best, she could transfigure kitsch, through delicate, often austere arrangements and vocal approach

one of my favorite of her albums is "nina simone at carnegie hall": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Simone_at_Carnegie_Hall

..partly because it's the best example of this. she does a number of movie themes whose "original" versions verged on the saccharine , as well as some hoary pseudo-folk songs that had long since been reduced to cliche ("cotton-eyed joe"), but she redeems it all through offbeat, spare renditions

see e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EMjeEFPZlc

in a way her approach anticipates that of jimmy scott (who was actually a contemporary)

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 29 June 2015 17:18 (ten years ago)

actually "black swan" is an out-and-out art song, so it's not the best example of what i'm trying to get at

better example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUmBFQSY78

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 29 June 2015 17:20 (ten years ago)

If you still don't like the music after seeing all the clips, I don't think any amount of talking heads analyzing the tunes is gonna change your opinion.

i am *so glad there was a minimal amount of talking heads in this, beyond her family and musicians.

you throw darts like a lesser man and owe me cash (stevie), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:55 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

As much as I appreciated the archival footage and honesty from the sources, there's no explication of her art.

^^^this. it's weird how incidental her music seemed to the movie (and I was willing to be convinced, not hugely familiar with or a fan of her ouevre)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:30 (ten years ago)

with Alfred in general re: her music too - there is a studied, overly formal rigor to everything (except her voice, which is remarkably expressive) that leaves me a little cold. I like some songs here and there but idk

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:33 (ten years ago)

see i think i like the tension between the formality/rigor you speak of and the deep wells of emotion in her voice. it works for me!

tylerw, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:35 (ten years ago)

did she ever do Compared to What (or any Eugene McDaniels?) seems tailor-made for her

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:37 (ten years ago)

don't know!
weird, there is a different doc coming out? http://www.amazingnina.com/

tylerw, Thursday, 27 August 2015 21:58 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7awW5nrDHk

This is the ultimate, for me.

The anger and triumph and sadness of it. The little chuckle she does after "And you see me lookin' nice/ With a ribbon in my hair". The way her voice is so harsh and chiding all the way through until the last line, when she hits that heart-breakingly pure tone.

And of course...

THAT'LL LEARRRRN YA!

Pheeel, Thursday, 27 August 2015 22:32 (ten years ago)

xp I guess a different doc could conceivably focus more on the music itself than What Happened, Miss Simone? did. The Netflix one was exec produced by her daughter, so her portrait of her was probably always going to be more about the person and less about the musician. I'd definitely watch another one that focuses on her music.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 27 August 2015 23:58 (ten years ago)

ten months pass...

http://www.straight.com/movies/727951/amazing-nina-simone-celebrates-skilled-singer

http://pitchfork.com/news/64247-nina-simone-documentary-director-slams-ugly-and-inaccurate-zoe-saldana-biopic/

I want to see this second Nina S doc, The Amazing Nina Simone

from the review of it: The better-known doc, Liz Garbus’s What Happened, Miss Simone?, made with the involvement of Simone’s estate, had access to her diaries and tapes. The Amazing doc, written, shot, and directed by Jeff L. Lieberman, a Vancouverite now based in New York, is far less polished than that Netflix production, although his rough assemblage, even with its notably bad graphic design, does illuminate a lot of what went right for Miss Simone.

There are many performance and audio clips, including very early stuff and key songs the other effort missed. His straightforward chronology allows fans to see how quickly things happened for Eunice Waymon, a North Carolina piano prodigy who attended Juilliard and fell into jazz almost by accident. Pushed by a club owner to sing to her own accompaniment, she took a new name so her church-preaching mother wouldn’t find out.

Lieberman uses two of the singer’s brothers and Vancouver guitarist Henry Young, among many others, to paint clear pictures of the transformation, while ignoring some obvious questions, like if and how the Waymons reacted when Eunice shot up the charts with her definitive version of “I Loves You, Porgy” in 1958.

The film is light on information about the mental disturbances that gradually consumed her career and private life. It misses her own voice, and while Lieberman’s narration isn’t bad, it lacks an authoritative stamp to match his subject’s magnitude. Still, as with Simone herself, there’s more here to celebrate than regret.

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:34 (nine years ago)

Still haven't checked to see whether this 2nd Simone doc, The Amazing Nina Simoneis available via online sites

curmudgeon, Monday, 18 July 2016 19:05 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

I like her version of “Feeling Good” better than the one John Legend did tonight at the Biden inauguration tv event

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 January 2021 04:08 (five years ago)

I mean... it’s pretty much set in stone that her version is the essential version of it.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 21 January 2021 05:11 (five years ago)

i thought john legend did a great job w it
ninas is undeniable obv

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 January 2021 05:52 (five years ago)

off-topic but I wish John Legend would record the version of MJ's I Can't Help It that he performed on Master Of None a few years ago

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Thursday, 21 January 2021 12:06 (five years ago)

also Nina's versions of Bee Gees songs are definitive for me

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Thursday, 21 January 2021 12:07 (five years ago)

I think the only cover/interpretation she doesn't totally nail is "Everyone's Gone To The Moon" - not even she can save that one.

mahb, Thursday, 21 January 2021 12:23 (five years ago)

two years pass...

This could also go on 'What can't you find on the internet' but let's try here.

Seeing if anyone knows which live compilation album includes the only song released from her 'Meltdown' performance ('See-Line Woman'). It's referred to in Warren Ellis's book in a conversation he had in 2020 with the guy who had been the sound engineer on the night, and recorded the performance on a DAT through the mixing desk. "I know it's my recording as the bongos are so fucking loud".

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 15 January 2024 20:16 (two years ago)

She was at Meltdown in 1999.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 20:47 (two years ago)

She was at Meltdown in 1999.


Yes, the book says the conversation was 21 years after the event

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 21:05 (two years ago)

This came out in 2000, the back half are live tracks, though no info on if those live tracks are from the 1999 Meltdown (but See Line Woman is one of the live tracks)

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 23:24 (two years ago)

https://www.discogs.com/release/446459-Nina-Simone-Nina-The-Essential-Nina-Simone

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 23:24 (two years ago)

https://www.discogs.com/release/446459-Nina-Simone-Nina-The-Essential-Nina-Simone

― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

thanks stevie! i'll check that one out. according to the book no other tracks from the meltdown performance have been released - the sound engineer said that someone from her entourage came up after the concert and asked for the DAT, that was the only copy. there's no way to be certain that the version of 'see-line woman' referred to is actually from that performance...

i picked this up in oxfam at the weekend which rekindled my interest in finding the particular track. the second CD is also live tracks, with no information on where recorded. the version of 'see-line woman' has some prominent percussion but since i don't know how fucking loud the 'fucking loud' bongos are, i don't know if it's the version i'm looking for (on first listen I think maybe not, doesn't sound raw enough).

https://www.discogs.com/release/5843202-Nina-Simone-The-Essential-Collection

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:26 (two years ago)

same version on both those CDs

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 20:27 (two years ago)

one month passes...

Fantastic article about Nina’s childhood in western North Carolina

https://eu.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/03/02/wnc-history-nina-simones-talent-apparent-while-growing-up-in-tryon/72763687007/

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:27 (two years ago)

six months pass...

Going into my yearly Nina Simone obsession season and I just discovered this ARTE concert tribute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bRneoY4sYk

Which has some amazing production and some stunning performances and worth the time of any Simone fan.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 8 September 2024 02:29 (one year ago)


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