R. Kelly - "Trapped In The Closet"

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it was discussed a little in this thread Sex in the Kitchen...AND the Sex in the Kitchen remix!
but I think it deserves its own thread.

Chapter One of Five has been out for a few weeks, video supposed to premiere in a couple weeks, with a short film of all 5 parts coming on the DVD packaged along with the new album, TP3: Reloaded, which is out July 5th.

I just heard Chapter Two (no spoilers!) on the radio today but can't find it anywhere online. Does anyone have the mp3!!?!?!?

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

why isn't he in jail yet?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

SPOILERS NOW

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have the mp3!!?!?!?

this is probably one of the most important questions ever posed to ilm.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel like a 12 year old waiting for harry potter to come out.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

my question is serious.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Chapter One of Five has been out for a few weeks, video supposed to premiere in a couple weeks, with a short film of all 5 parts coming on the DVD packaged along with the new album, TP3: Reloaded, which is out July 5th.

i'd be flipping out over this if my mind could even process it

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

SPOILERS NOW

As in 'a taste of the.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

R Kelly is like Harry Potter waiting for a 12 year old to take him home

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

TRAPPED

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

tiny spoiler: there are multiple meanings to the phrase "in the closet"

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm 67th in line for ch. 2 on slsk

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Dizzle if you can get it and YSI it here you will be hero for a day.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

PLEASE TELL ME HE COMES OUT OF THE CLOSET AND GIVES THE HUSBAND A HANDJOB

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Does Ronald Isley make an appearance as Mr. Bigg?

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm now 52nd in line for this song (whoever was at 55 took forever)

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

this reminded me of this.
http://www.channel102.net/show.php?show=3
some pretty funny stuff....

Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

so far no vocal cameos (Kells playing all parts in the lyrics/dialogue). I wouldn't be surprised if Isley showed up at some point, though. This whole mini-opera definitely is a logical progression from all the dramatic argument-songs he's been doing so much the last few years. I think R. is a genius at turning every good idea he has into a formula that he milks over and over until it becomes something completely new.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

more spoilers plz

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

oh man i need this more than anything

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

38th in the queue!

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh baby

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

gimme gimme gimme this!!

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

haha its going to end up being mislabelled and all this anticipation will be for naught.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

After the husband convinces R. not to shoot him, he says that he has a secret of his own to reveal, and makes a phone call.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Musically, it's pretty similiar to Chapter One, calmly working its way up to an intense crescendo for the cliffhanger at the end.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

SO WHY HAVE YOU NOT SHARED THIS WITH US?

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope one of the chapters ends with R. in a car flying off a cliff and the next opens with R. somehow having already lept out before it left the ground.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't have an mp3 to share! like I said in the first post, I only heard it on the radio. and I said "no spoilers", but people pried for a little more. (xp)

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt any spoiler could render the track free of amusement. Hell, I love the first even more every time I play it for someone with fresh ears.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of hope that there's only one chapter left by the time the whole album leaks, so that there can be this kind of manic anticipation for every single chapter.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

whoever gets this first better YSI or something equivalent...

please?

lemin (lemin), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!!!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Be warned: The one I waited an hour to grab off slsk, filename: "R Kelly - Trapped In The Closet (Chapter 2"

Bummer, Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh oh

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Damnit, ate the rest of my post.

Retry: Be warned: The one I waited an hour to grab off slsk, filename: "R Kelly - Trapped In The Closet (Chapter 2"

Bummer, Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME

lemin (lemin), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

WTF? Again!

Condensed form:

"R Kelly - Trapped In The Closet (Chapter 2" off of slsk, missing last ")" is just Chapter 1 renamed.

Bummer, Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I picture everyone waiting to hear Chapter 2 listening to the "AND HE OPENS THE CLOSET" part on a continuous loop.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dizzle, have you checked the track length?

lemin (lemin), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, he doesn't even remember having sex with her, right? woke up the next morning with no idea what happened, right?

POSSIBLE PLOT TWIST

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0784011184.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG HURRY UP

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

there should be a betting pool for people to predict what happens by the end of the Chapter 5.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

she took off her draw URRS!
and you won't believe THIS!
she took off her draw URRS!
and she had a PENIS!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

this is a good substitute while waiting:
http://www.myspace.com/blacknasty
check out 'it wuz worth it' and 'real animal lover'

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

this is all kind of like the fruition of the creepy foreshadowing "this cat looks real familiar"/"don't I know you from somewhere?" stuff in Contagious.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe by the end Mr. Biggs and all the characters from previous R. dramas will be entangled in it somehow.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

THE CLOSET IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

the closet is in your mind.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

This all could be happening at the Rock And Roll McDonald's too. not at someone else's house, necessarily.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck this. I'm going to the gym.

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

he opens the door of the closet and two gorillas are making love

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

mr. biggs tiieeed me to the chair
and put his hand between my legs
I yelled WHAT THE HELL YOU DOIN' DOWN THERE???
he said "I'm gonna MAKE YOU BEG
now kells I know you think you're smooth
you think you're quite the pimp
but give up hope you've dropped the soap
and now you'll be my GIMP!" OHH!!!
He's up in my closet!
He's up in my closet!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I vaguely remember reading an interview with someone, don't remember who, where they talked about being in the studio with R. and that he played them this multi-part epic that was going to blow everyone's minds. this was a few months ago, before Chapter 1 came out or anything. so at least a few people out there have heard the whole thing.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The man in the room turns out to be....um..... EMINEM!

He's going to the closet to, you know, clean it out.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe by the end Mr. Biggs and all the characters from previous R. dramas will be entangled in it somehow.

GOD I HOPE THIS IS THE TWIST OH MY GOD OH MY GOD I HOPE THIS IS THE TWIST

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

his dead mother in the sky better make a cameo too.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, i think the file someone mentioned upthread as being renamed is probably the one i was downloading, but the guy who had it disconnected 7 seconds into my download anyway. Jerk.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

motherfuck.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

He did let me finish getting some old messy marv tracks, though.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

man, I figured that hearing it on the radio meant that it was already or soon to be readily available on the web. I mainly started the thread thinking it was the quickest way to get an mp3, but it looks like I just stirred up more suspense!

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

is that what I must do? or what R. must do?

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

this is my first you send it attempt, hopefully it will work


https://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=287OR5RALT2OA1QK17BST4I3FY

the R. LOVES U!, Friday, 13 May 2005 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

SIIIICCCCKKKKKKKK

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shitttt

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ahh!!

maura (maura), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you to whoever that was that YSI'd it!

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a bit disappointed, but much thanks anyway.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

biggest smile on my face.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, there's THREE MORE PARTS. don't go writing anything off yet.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yall should read the noize board thread for some laffs.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

!!!!!!!

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm very uncomfortable with the gurgling-baby noises in the midst of a domestic. That's all I'm sayin'.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU WOULD HAVE DONE SOME BOGUS SHIT UP IN MY HOUSE

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

well...
now he starin' at me like
as if he was starin' in the mirror
she yells "honey, let me explain"
he says "you don't have to go no further
I can clearly see what's going on
behind my back, in my bed, in my home
then I said "wait a minute, now hold on"
I said "mister, we can work this out"
she said "honey, don't lose control"
I tried to get him to calm down
he said "ho, I should've known
that you would go and do some bogus shit up in my house
but the Christian in me gave you the benefit of the doubt"
I said "we need to resolve this"
and he stepped to me, I'm like "woah
there's a reason I'm in this closet"
he says "yeah, what are you, talkin' clothes?"
I said "I met this girl at the [?] Club
and she told me she didn't have a man"
and he said "man, please,
I'd kill you if you didn't have that gun in your hand"
and then I said "but your chick chose me"
he said "don't gimme that mack shit, please"
his phone goes off and then
things get a little more interesting
he steps a little closer
I point my gun and says "I'm not the one you after"
he says "son, I bet you didn't know, my man
did she tell you I was a pastor?"
I said "well good, that's better, right?
why can't we handle this Christian-like?"
and I started to put the gun
until I saw his face still had that frown
she started cryin', sayin' "baby I'm sorry"
then he said "baby, not as sorry as you're gonna be"
I started inchin' out
he said "no, I want you to see this"
said "I gotta get out this house, but not until I reveal my secret"
I'm like "what the hell is goin' on inside his head?"

then he takes his phone and calls somebody up and says:

"hello"

[muffled, on the other end of the phone]: "hello"

"baby"

[muffled, on the other end of the phone]: [unintelligible]

"turn the car around"

[muffled, on the other end of the phone]: "what's goin' on?"

"listen, I just need for you to get right back here now"

CLICK

he looks at me and says
"well, since we're all comin' out the closet
I'm not about to be the only one that's broken hearted"
she said "what do you mean?"
he said "just wait and see"
I said "somebody better talk to see"
and then his phone rings
he picks up, and somebody says "honey, I'm downstairs"
and he's like "I'll buzz you up
I'm on the fifth floor, honey, take the stairs"
and I'm like "who is this mystery lady
that you're talking to?"
he says "in time you both will know the shocking truth
baby, this is something I've been wanting to get off my chest
for a long, long time"
and I said "yo, I'm'a shoot you both
if you don't say what's on your mind"
he says "wait, I hear somebody comin' up the stairs"
and I'm lookin' at the door
he says "I think you better sit down in a chair"
I says "I'm gonna count to four"

"ONE"

he says "mister, wait!"

"TWO"

she says "please don't shoot!"

"THREE"

he says "don't shoot me!"

"FOUR"

SHE SCREAMS

THEN I KNOCK ON THE DOOR

THE GUN'S IN MY HAND

HE OPENS THE DOOR

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S A MAN

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

but why should R. be shocked / surprised about that? He doesn't know or care about the dude, he just wants to get the fuck out of the house.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

He should be GLAD it's a man, fercryinoutloud!

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, his character's shock does seem a little forced. plus the pastor makes the not-exactly-subtle remark "well, since we're all comin' out the closet..."

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I was pretty sure it was going to be R.'s wife or something.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he says "the poshest club."

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does he count to 4? People always count to 3 in those situations, don't they? Or 5. Or 10. But never 4.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I've been as excited for part three of something since that Guns n' Roses video trilogy.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link

really? maybe. my assumption was that it's the name of a club, maybe a real one that I would've heard of if I lived in Chicago (like the reference to Kisses in Isley's "Busted").

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

which was part three, "Estranged"?

that must have been one hell of a let down / mindfuck.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

haha maybe like "Estranged" it will involve R. jumping off of an aircraft carrier and swimming with dolphins, and/or rising out of the water playing a guitar solo

(xpost "Estranged" was easily the best song/video out of the three!!!)

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought the same thing and I could be wrong, but I hear "poshest." (xp)

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost "Estranged" was easily the best song/video out of the three!!!)

Um...?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

are we gonna have to take this debate over here? Taking Sides: Use Your Illusion I vs. Use Your Illusion II

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

honestly I don't know "Estranged" well enough to get into this debate, but to say it's better than "November Rain" just goes against every ounce of my upbringing.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, that's reasonable. "November Rain" is a classic too. but video-wise, not as good as Slash soloing in front of a church in the middle of nowhere is, Slash soloing while rising out of and standing on water like Jesus.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

er, that should've read "but video-wise, Slash soloing in front of a church in the middle of nowhere < Slash soloing while rising out of and standing on water like Jesus. "

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Then the bathtub overflowed
And the kitchen floor was like a lake
And the man in the doorway he bugged out
And jumped into the cake
I put down the gun, crippled by my darkest thoughts!
Started singing this song with the London Philharmonic Orchestra!

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

this was a little perfunctory but god I can't stop laughing. Is there any question that R is one of the most noteworthy musical artists of our time - dude's got us hanging on every word of a goddamn radioplay.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty curious as to where the story will go now, especially with the introduction of a gay pastor character. I mean, it could end up being a spiritual message like U Saved Me, or it could go somewhere else completely.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

there could well be a gangbang coming

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There had BETTER be a gangbang coming.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

so like I said, a spiritual message.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

a spiritual massage

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

again, her SEX has NOT BEEN CONFIRMED.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the "heartbreak" the pastor refers to may be when Kelly finds out he's in a room with three gay men.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

you just blew my mind.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

part three ends with the previously mentioned "drawwURS" couplets. part four ends with him "starting to LIKE IT! I'm starting to LIKE IT!" and part five is them all going to a new kind of club for Kelly, hugging and dancing, with a sample of the Ewok song from Return Of The Jedi

miccio (miccio), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I could totally see part 5 being the club hit of the summer a la "Ignition (Remix)".

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

>a sample of the Ewok song from Return Of The Jedi

oh man fuck you I can hear that

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i heard this on the radio today and it was totally great coz you could see where it was going, and i was just thinking.. oh no.. he's not gonna.. it can't be... oh no he won't... oh no he didn't.

god this is great.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah when I first heard it today I was driving home with my jaw on the floor the whole time

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i love it so much that the pastor actually says "shocking truth."

also i mean the gay thing might be kinda old hat for us seasoned ilx types, but dropping this type of story on urban radio is a whole difft. deal.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shit

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the best thing ever.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there any question that R is one of the most noteworthy musical artists of our time - dude's got us hanging on every word of a goddamn radioplay.

No joke. I was listening to 12 Play before I went out tonight (er...last night) and around "Back to the Hood of Things" I realized that the album is um pure genius? And that he's come so far since and is horribly underrated as a performer, composer, artist etc.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i never should have went to bed last night

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 13 May 2005 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

No joke. I was listening to 12 Play before I went out tonight (er...last night) and around "Back to the Hood of Things" I realized that the album is um pure genius?

You lasted that far into the album before realizing that? Surely, you should have recognized his genius by "I Like The Crotch On You," which is easily one of the best song titles in his whole catalog, if not the entire history of recorded music.

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

All very bemusing, this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the whole idea of his naming albums like Twelve Play sequels is kinda bizarre. shouldn't TP3 be, like, Thirty Six Play?

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Or 1,728 Play

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't know anything about this until I read this thread, but wow.

Sean M (Sean M), Friday, 13 May 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

my local station is using this as a brilliant ploy to keep listeners tuned, by playing part 1 at the end of every hour, then saying "part 2 is up next" and cutting to commercial break.

I remember when the remix to "Ignition" first dropped and I heard a lot of stations play the whole 7 minutes of both versions together for a while. it would be pretty amazing if stations started playing all 5 parts in a row once they're all out, which has gotta be somewhere near 20 minutes.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

is r kelly prog?

teeny (teeny), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

y'know, it's kind of amazing that noone else ever realized this is the perfect way to get the public interested in a concept album/story-opera type record -- make it a multi-part storyline with cliffhangers, and release each part one at a time. I mean, this wouldn't be nearly as exciting if he just hid it on an album for people to hear for the first time all at once.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Al otmfm

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm.. does YSI not have a 15-download limit anymore? i re-upped part II before i realised this.

Guy Incognito (Guy Incognito), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

25 downloads.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, this wouldn't be nearly as exciting if he just hid it on an album for people to hear for the first time all at once.

Of course, it also helps that he's nuts.

d'ngullberry (noisemeltdown), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i think what's compelling about all this is not really the storyline itself, which is ridiculous and lame, but just the overthetop bonkers way that r. kelly believes in it and delivers it and really makes this into this Total Media Event or something. like OH SHIT PART SIXTEEN OF R KELLY'S "TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET" and the whole deadpan/tortured syntax aspect of the lyrics etc.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i guess there are some funny bits in there.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The song can't be any more entertaining than this thread.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah amst it's way more about the execution than the subject matter. i totally love the way the radio is treating it like an event, though. depending on how the rest of the series turns out I may consider filling the top 5 spots of my Pazz & Jop singles ballot with it just on principle (not really, but wouldn't that be nuts?)

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?!?!?!?!
anyone who could send me "in the kitchen" and "trapped" via my gmail will get a present in return. pretty please?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i hope it spawns a rash of answer records. "i know that's you in my closet," etc.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i kinda agree with amst. i love how both songs end on these insanely bombastic crescendos. totally nuts.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and also yeah, when i read this thread last night i thought "this is why ilx exists."

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

These songs are tailor made for VH1's "Awesomely Bad Songs" series.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

if it was called "Awesomely Good Songs" maybe!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This song is really crappy and unintentionally hilarious at the same time.

Sort of like Giles.

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

from buffy?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i heart the way both parts I and II get all superdramatic near the end.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The concept of a five-part R&B mini-opera being narrated FROM WITHIN A CLOSET is just...

I don't know.

I'm too tired to grasp it.

What's the word I'm looking for?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Sartrean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a vogue in seventeenth century literature for a revival of the kind of wordy, static tragedies derived from the rather stilted, overblown example of Seneca's Latin adaptations of Greek tragedy; these were long play-poems which were designed to be read rather than performed, and they were known as . . .

wait for it . . . .

CLOSET DRAMAS!

Milton's "Samson Agonistes" is one, and so is R. Kelly's "Trapped in the Closet", I reckon.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, you're right! Drew with the knowledge. (Has anyone ever actually tried to perform Samson Agonistes? I would be sorrowed if his fate was mine, in that I lurv my long hair.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

every time i listen to this i expect there to be a "how will r. get out of this? find out next week!" in a "the shadow knows" kinda voice at the end

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 13 May 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i would tune into an r. kelly radio drama every damn week

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 13 May 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

(cue sound of bouncing bedsprings, falling water, horses' hooves)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If you collect enough milk caps, you can send in for a free Zorro mask.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 14 May 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

In case you haven't seen it:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MAY 17, 2005

R. KELLY

FILMS TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET A 5 PART URBAN OPERETTA
ALBUM TP.3 RELOADED IN STORES JULY 5
PLAYA'S ONLY FEATURING THE GAME HITS RADIO MAY 19

New York, NY ... Jive Recording artist and multi-Grammy, Billboard and Soul Train award winner R. Kelly will release the melodrama Trapped in the Closet to accompany his 10th studio album release TP.3 Reloaded on July 5, 2005. After a decade of being a true musical artist and selling well over 36 million albums worldwide R. Kelly has focused his considerable talents to the world of film and shoots a 16 minute short.

Trapped in the Closet, which was shot in High Definition format, is reminiscent of the serial movies of yesteryear full of suspense, mystery, drama and packed with unexpected twists and turns. To put it in modern terms its "Desperate Housewives" meets "Desperate Husbands." You will definitely ask to see this domestic drama again and again.

The score is based on the 5 part song "Trapped in the Closet (Chapters 1- 5)" and the first 2 chapters, which have recently been released, have been welcomed by has fans and demand at radio is incredible as the following numbers will attest. "Trapped in the Closet (Chapter 1 of 5)" has jumped from 21 to 12 on the Billboard Urban charts; and just a half week after being released "Trapped in the Closet (Chapter 2 of 5)" has followed in its footsteps and has jumped from 19 to 10 on the Radio & Records charts.

The complete dramatic operetta will only be available as a bonus DVD on his upcoming album TP.3 Reloaded; it will contain additional footage and a mix of the best of technology and R. Kelly's creative mind that will make the viewer feel Trapped in the Closet and fully immersed in this virtual world. The first part of Trapped in the Closet will air on BET's Access Granted on 5/25. Additionally a video for the upcoming single "Playa's Only" featuring The Game was recently shot in Miami. R. Kelly has been a musical force to be reckoned with for over a decade and he has returned to his roots to show everyone how it's done; "Trapped in the Closet (Chapter 1 of 5)" is only the beginning.

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

After a decade of being a true musical artist and selling well over 36 million albums worldwide R. Kelly has focused his considerable talents to the world of film

Very, VERY carefully phrased.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

r. kelly's publicist is apparently allergic to the apostrophe

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

tsk 'playas only' is so lame! i hate scott storch

... ok i took a few minutes to doublecheck any storch trax that mightve made me look foolisher (no luck, altho it reminded me of when i blurted out keyboard classic "whateverhappenedtoleonardparts1-5!!" at a roots gig and black thought laffed) (shdve kept that to myself huh) with 'playas only' on loop and laziness flowered a little into trancey lack just like 'candy shop' and 'lean back'! so storch is all about endless repeat play enfeebling ur brain. still not great mind

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

you will not get any arguments from me. he's done a few thinks I think are decent but fuck Storch.

does anyone else think it sounds kinda like R.'s doing a Stevie Wonder impression on Chapter 1? especially the first few lines.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

the world is an amazing place.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

R. Kelly & NFL players: the best people who ever lived.

Allyzay do not obtain to make download of yours MP3 (allyzay), Thursday, 19 May 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

the man is a legend

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't wait to get the DVD for this

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (Fabfunk), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

just heard part 3 today. the calm before the storm? Rufus,Cathy,Chuck & R in a mexican stand off or did the phone just ring. hello? oh no. it couldn't be.

dr.bricks, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

pt3 is out ???
where can i get this ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

http://s2.youshareit.com/files/d7b2fe77df7c94fa1cbebf7b4b29a6df.html


S

Essdot, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you!

robots in love (robotsinlove), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

THANK YOU

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

thanx !
also, anybody has the lyrics ?
i'm at work right now and can't listen to it... but i'm burning to know what's happinin next...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

NO SPOILERS!

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Kells finally busts a cap from that gun he showed us in Act 1

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link

my computer never seems to work with youshareit, can someone please put it on yousendit?

R. is going to be on Access Granted on BET on Wednesday at 7:30 for the making of the "Trapped" video!

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

reload the ysi, pls.

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Like NOW!
I have to find out what happens to our hero!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

HE SAYS YES I SAYS NO HE SAYS YES I SAYS NO

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

All y'all ass is crazy

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Part 5 is going to end with a dance party. Just you wait.

Jimmy Mod, Sultan of Sexxitime (ModJ), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

SPOILER: LYRICS (DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW)

well here we are, four of us in total shock,
me and her
i close my mouth, swallow spit
cuz i'm thinking to myself, this is some deep shit
then i said, "so you're gonna tell me he's the one you've been talking to?"
he says yes, i says no, he says yes, i says no,
he says, "it's the truth"
i yell, "all a y'all ass-crazy, let me up out this door,
because this is way more than i bargained for."
and then she says "wait, i'm sure we can all fix this."
and then i said, "i'm late, plus i don't got a damn thing to do with this."
and then she said, "but wouldn't you like to know how it all began?"
then i thought to myself and said, "quick, you got three minutes."
and then it got real quiet, i said, "somebody start talkin'"
then she said, "my god, rufus, i've got just one question:
how could you do something like this? i'm so hurt."
then he looked at her and said "it's ... please, you've got nerves.
with all your club-hoppin', lyin', sayin' you was shopping,
and now here you are in our home, and you callin' me wrong."
she said, "ok, you busted me, and that much i agree, you've caught me cheating, but this is a little extreme!"
he said, "you are my wife, sleeping behind my back, and now i come home and you've got him in the closet, how extreme is that?"
she says, "but she's a he!"
then he said, "please you can't judge me."
she says, "rufus, this is crazy."
and i said, "stop arguing! i did not stay here to hear y'all chew each other out! so get to the point, or i swear i'm out!"
"excuse me, please, but i think i can explain what's going on in here. my name is chuck, and i've been knowin' rufus 'bout a year. creepin' around with him has been a livin' hell. sneakin' in and out of hotels..."
i said, "brother, spare me the detail"
and then rufus said, "chuck please, don't say nothin' else"
and then she screams, "rufus you son of a bitch!"
and he says "kathy go to hell"
i said "i thought your name was mary, that's what you said at the party. man, this is gettin' scary, i'm gonna shoot somebody."
then rufus start yellin' and screamin', sayin' "kathy this is all your fault!"
she throws a pillow at him and says "you was creepin' too, the only difference is you didn't get caught"
chuck scream out "we're in love"
kathy says "love my ass!"
rufus said [they're gettin' married] [?]
then i shoot one in the air
then i say "not another one of you sons of bitches say a word, cuz all of this shit i'm gonna do is unheard."
grab my [sailor] [?], sayin' "this is so wrong"
call up my home and a man picks up the phone.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Part 5 is going to end with a dance party. Just you wait.

lol. surely they all end up steppin' to the Lord or somethin' (till 6 in the mo'ning).
thinkin about it, in part 1 he says it's seven in the morning. as he always seems to party til 6, how could he drive to the lady's place, have some sex in the kitchen and wake up at 7 ??

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i like that he's still ostensibly in the closet the whole time.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

that word in the second to last line would be "cellular", jaymc

and i have this to gmail to anyone upon request

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, you're right, lemin, thanks.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

from transcribing that whole thing, i noticed that r. kelly switches tenses quite a bit.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

if i could sing like this man i'd never remember to eat or sleep

jones (actual), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Lemin, I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

Roz (Roz), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i heard one of these on the radio and it was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. am I missing some kind of context?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

oh I see I must have heard part two or something because I was like, "uh, you're in a closet. so the fuck what?"

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I really REALLY need this now! HELP! OBI WAN!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

all a y'all ass-crazy

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

SINGLES OF THE YEAR

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

kathy says "love my ass!"
So is the man at Kells house HIS man?
Part four! The reckoning!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

'Cause think about it, maybe he doesn't pick up his cellular at all... maybe he DOES pick up his sailor?!?!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i think that's what jaymc WANTED to hear. he wanted gay sailor.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Part 5: "It was all a wild dream!"

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Important question: Why is everybody trying to keep Kells in this goddamn picture?
Here's a guy with a gun in your closet trying to leave and everybody's doing their damnedest to keep him hangin' around. For god's sake, Chuck just wandered in and HE'S trying to talk to R.

"Oh hey, secret gay lover... what? You need me to come over to your house? Right now? But isn't your wife there? Um. Okay. Hello? Oh, hi everybody. Hello guy with a gun. Allow me to explain..."

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

brother, spare me the detail

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they are just in awe that r. kelly is in the closet and they just want to hang out with him for a little more...

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I like to pretend that it's Rufus Wainwright, Chuck D and Cathy Dennis.

Also, I really hope this leads to a series of other serial songs in which we find Kells stuck in new and increasingly claustrophobic sticky situations.

Stay tuned for the June 2008 release of R. Kelly's "Caught in the Crapper", the August 2010 "The Breadbox Boondoggle" and the smash summer hit of 2015: "Get Me Out of This Ziploc, Bitch"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Forksclovetofu OTM. (The important question, not the Ziploc thing.)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

cutty otm.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

here's a more permanent download link than the one that was already posted: http://rapidshare.de/files/1955867/r._kelly-trapped_in_the_closet-chapter3-_dirty_.mp3.html

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i have a weird feeling that

1. someone - probably R. - is going to end up dead at the end of this
2. this is all going to turn into a party-ruining object lesson about infidelity


i hope i am wrong.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I like how he makes up for the understandable storyline stasis of "part 3 of 5" with some extreeeeme vocal flights.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and while he made his voice a little airier as "Chuck" I was wondering if he'd go into a full-on lisp or something.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck seems really nice

jones (actual), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I was actually thinking about how well he transitioned into Chuck's voice -- we understand he's changing character without him having to say "and then Chuck said" as he does with most of the other lines.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

alternate possibility: Garielle Union as Cathy, Alfonso Ribieri as Rufus, Jaleel White as Chuck.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It will "all be a dream" at the end. I'm almost betting on it. (then again, I'm heading to Vegas this weekend, so betting has been on my mind lately.)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

In a similar way, when he does Kathy on "okay, you busted me, you caught me cheating, but this is a little extreme," he sings in an upper register, almost falsetto, that suggests a female voice but only because the notes are themselves high, i.e., not gratuitously at all.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I just can't decide of such taste is wasted on a project like this or not. Either way it rules, obv.

Cathy = Elisabeth Berkeley
Rufus = Mario Lopez
Chuck = Dustin Diamond
R. Kelly's Wife = Lark Voorheis
Man who answers the phone = Mark-Paul Gosselar

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Why am I the only one who's assuming Kathy's name starts with a K!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

brother, spare me the detail

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

When it comes to Broadway, the part of Chuck will be sung by Luther Vandross.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The cast should be: Cathy = Vivica Fox/Sanaa Lathan, Rufus = Terrance Howard, Chuck = Taye Diggs, Kell's Wife = Gabrielle Union, The Man at the Other End of The Line: Morris Chestnut, just so it can be every black romcom of the past few years in video form.

I think this thread got me way interested in that song than I would've been otherwise because it's awfully monotone-like until they get to the big crescendo at the end where the music is screaming "HELLO, pay attention!"

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

What the fuck, nothing happens in Part 3 except you learn their names!

High Ranking Militants, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

well we also discover there's a man at R.'s house with his wife, but its an awkward and abrupt revelation.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Terrance Howard would be perfect!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Who answers the phone of the man they are cuckolding?

High Ranking Militants, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.thezreview.co.uk/images/Terrence%20Howard%20jpeg.JPG

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The Chicago radio stations have not gone into All-R rotation yet...

High Ranking Militants, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

patience

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Other important question: why is Kels getting so worked up about this, i.e. to the point of shooting in the air? I don't get the sense that he's being threatened or anything.

ANyway, more trivially, once this is all finished, I wonder how well these 5 tracks are gonna sit back-to-back on an album...

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it seemed scary in Chapter 1 and 2, but now it just seems like Kathy and Rufus have bigger fish to fry.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

It's supposed to be like the scene in Reservoir Dogs where everyone's pointing a gun at someone else, except R's the only one packing.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

well, more like that scene in A Fish Called Wanda.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

prt 4 @ lemon-red.blogspot.com

R NEEDS TO TAKE A STORYTELLING WORKSHOP

Jimmy_tango, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

WAAAAAHOOOOO

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

omg omg omg omg

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Lyrics? Spoilers?

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

SPOILERS (READ AT YOUR OWN GODDAMN RISK)
*****************************************
*****************************************
*****************************************

R. runs out, hops in the car to go home and kill whoever the fuck answered his phone. WOOOoooWOOOoooWOOOooo a cop pulls him over and gives him a ticket for a 85 in a 65. He goes 70 all the way home. His wife says hi and he yells about the dude and she reminds him that her brother is visiting. He apologizes, she says its ok, they go on to have some amazing sex but at the point of climax he pulls back the covers and 'oh my god, a rubber.'

I shit you not.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

tell me it's not the same music again....

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I appreciate the lack of logic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There are so many hysterical phrases and details I'm leaving out that I don't feel too bad for dropping spoilers. Same music, DUH.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, the reason he pulls back the cover is that as she's climaxing he gets a leg cramp

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Now if you don't mind I have to run to the middle of an interesection and scream for a bit.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know if it's been already discussed in this thread but has this kind of thing ever been done before ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

DAMN IT WHY DID I LEAVE MY LAPTOP AT HOME TODAY?!????!!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, Kells is a trip. I've been meaning to do a post on this damned song but I'm too lazy.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Same music, DUH.

So at this point R. is saluting his fellow Chicago musical legend Wesley Willis, is what you're saying.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD A RUBBER

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Woo-WOO-Woo-WOO

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It's all YOURS

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Why is he concerned about a rubber when it's his wife he's fucking?

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I love how Rufus, Cathy et al are just thrown out of the equation so we can hear the specifics of a parking violation and how R. Kelly is a sex god.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

speeding violation, sorry

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm assuming the discovery of the rubber = proof that his wife is shtupping someone else? (Maybe her brother?! OMG)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I love how Rufus, Cathy et al are just thrown out of the equation

Well hey, that was long overdue. Most of part 3 was completely absurd. "Sure, I'll give you 3 mins to tell me about your romantic origins...err, you're doing it fast enough. I don't want to deal with your gay drama...I'm out!"

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I agree, though I assumed that Cathy suggesting R. should want to know how this all began meant there's some detail about their hook-up that had yet to be revealed. Not to mention his freaking out about her real name. but then I was making the mistake of applying logic to this whole thing. at this point I'm expecting a celebrity cameo and farm animals in part 5.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I turn arouuuuuund...what do I seeee...a man in my closet...what the f, it's JAY-Z!!!!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I've got a theory that he and the wife will have some big confessional aspect in part 5. Did anyone else notice that at the beginning of part 1 he's all "the woman kissing me wasn't you?" So maybe they come clean and have a big laugh about it all and the song is super meta!

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

It would have made sense to save the sex for part 5. That way he could use the same musical backdrop and explain the crescendo. Like if part 4 was more bullshit with Rufus et al and then 5 was come home and fuck the missus (just remove the whole leg cramp/rubber element). I'd think R would get off on creating a soap opera that ends with us watching him giving a woman some gargantuan orgasm. I have no idea how he's gonna make the same music work for part 5 now.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

let the R do that...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I will! I will! I don't doubt he's gonna think up something more than is is dreamt of in my philosophy.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Or maybe he's gonna find someone trapped in the closet or it's all been a dream!

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

weirdest development yet = her brother's name is tron

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I VOTE FOR DREAM. I VOTE FOR DREAM.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay...Rufus, Kathy, Chuck yet you think Tron is weird? This might be the first name that I can actually imagine someone under the age of 45 with.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Scott Seward's gonna have words with you, re: Rufus.

oh shit! and what if he wakes up all groggy and back in part one again!!! A LOOP!!!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops my bad, Scott! (But I'm saying)

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

this reminds me of the time i thought my social worker was kidding about his son's name being zoltan

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(this is probably the best time to admit that at first i thought he found a robber in the bed, right?)

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

R. Kelly and the 40 Thieves

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The more I think about it, I say it's totally a dream! Kells is gonna find the other man and go ballistic and then wake up in a cold sweat with his wife next to him.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"OH MY GOD A HAMBURGLAR!"

"ROBBLE ROBBLE."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ew ned

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

He was there to steal the beef.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

part 5 alternate burglar version now please

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I also heard "robber"! That would have been great.
Another vote for the dream, with the point of climax going "I walk to the CLOSET! I'muna open the CLOSET!" and then him waking up in the his OWN closet, where he fell asleep for some reason.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

can r. kelly seriously not go 5 songs without being a pervert? anyways, here are the lyrics


Now I'm dashing home
Doing 85
Swerving lane to lane
With fire in my eyes
I've got a million thoughts
Going through my mind
I'm thinking about what I'ma do and who I'm going to do it to when I get home
How could I be so blind
And then I looked in my rear view
I can not believe this
Woo-woo-wooo
Damn, here comes a policeman
Drove right up on me and flashed his light
i pulled over without thinking twice
He hops out his car and starts walking twords me
and says "Licence and regestration please"
I looked up at him and said, "Officer, is there something wrong?"
He said "No, except you were doing 85 in a 60 mile zone"
And then "I said officer,
let me explain please
the truth of the matter is
I've got an emergency"
He said "No excuses
and no exceptions"
I said "This is some bullshit"
As he gave me the ticket
He said "Have a nice day" and walked away
I said "Yeah, right" and drove away
And then I turned my radio on
And did 70 all the way home
I pulled up in the driveway
Hopped out and slammed the car door
Then go around the back, bust up in the house
She's screaming "What's all that for?"
then I'm like "Woman, I called the house and a man picked up my phone"
she says "Calm down, did you forget my brother Tron came home?"
Oh. (oh)
And that's all I could say was oh
With a stupid look on my face
Said "I forgot he came home today"
And she says "That's ok
because honey I understand"
She says "You don't have to explain"
And then I took her by the hand
I kissed her and then we went to the room
and then I turned some music on
I apoligized one more time
Then went down and started getting it on
She started biting her lips
Grabbing me and making noise
Now we're making love and she's in my ear
Whispering "it's all yours"
I said "I love you"
she said "I love you too"
Then a tear fell up out my eye
and I called her my sunshine
And then she looked at me
And said "Baby go deeper please"
And that's when I started going crazy like I was trying to give her a baby
The room feel like it's spinning
Cause we keep turning and turning
As if we were in a whirlwind
The way our toes are curlin'
Then next thing you know she starts goin' real wild
And screaming my name
And then I said "Baby we must slow down
Before I bust a vessel in my brain"
She says "please no don't stop'
I say "I caught a cramp"
She said "Please keep on going"
I say "My leg's about to crack"
She cries out "Oh my godness
I'm about to climax"
And I say "Cool climax,
just let go my leg"
She says "you're the perfect lover"
I say "I can't go no further"
Then I flip back the covers
Oh my god a rubber [robber?]

doode, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"oh my goodness i'm about to climax" = worst faking ever!!

jones (actual), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

kelly otm re: cramping

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

THE MIND BOGGLES

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

sooo...she was doing her brother?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

OneVanBeeth: he loves the verb "hop"
simonides3: hahah
OneVanBeeth: also no police man would say "no, except"
simonides3: yeah yeah
simonides3: the cop is so underwhelming
simonides3: i really wanted him to pull out a gun or find some drugs or something
OneVanBeeth: hahah i thought he was gonna kill the cop
simonides3: hahah yeah exactly
OneVanBeeth: "And that's when I started going crazy like I was trying to give her a baby"
simonides3: hahah YEAH
simonides3: that was amazing
OneVanBeeth: also a dude's toes are not supposed to curl
simonides3: hahaha
simonides3: im sad now that theres only one chapter left
simonides3: like, chapter 3 and most of chapter 2 were so wasted
OneVanBeethoven: She cries out "Oh my godness
I'm about to climax"
And I say "Cool climax,
just let go my leg"
OneVanBeeth: cool, cool, do that
simonides3: dude r's description of sex is kind of ridic
simonides3: its like hearing someone who's never gotten laid talk about sex
OneVanBeeth: hahahaha
simonides3: the leg cramp
OneVanBeeth: yeah
OneVanBeeth: "shit think shit think"
simonides3: i mean whatever r, just move your leg, not a big deal

me and swvl's two cents

Leon Neyfakh (Leon Neyfakh), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

noted. gah i just heard this on the radio now with 'climax' and 'rubber' radioedited - WTF?????? maybe they play it normal later at night but still WTF????

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

this means that anybody hearing it for the first time has no idea what he found!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD IT'S A .........

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

RBREURB

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

a rhubarb?

http://www.mskcc.org/herbswww/graphics/photos/Rhubarb.gif

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD IT'S A SPIDER!!! would have made part 5 sound real promising

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

part 4 is a big disappointment

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

wtf! the cop cannot possibly have any relevance to the rest of the story. it's like the super-elongated version of that scott mccloud comic where some kid dies in a car crash

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/carl/3a/02.html

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought part 4 ended w/ "Oh my God it's a ROBERT" - which would take this a Whole Nother Level!

fancybill (ozewayo), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Part 4 is amazing. I'm still holding out for Mr. Big in the closet.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's totally "Robert." Part 5: Kelly says "whatever", throws party.

fancybill (ozewayo), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

oh part 4 sucks. There's like zero tension until the end and even that is muted. I almost miss the over the top drama of parts 1-3

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Whether it is "rubber" or "robber," I think the ending of Part 4 has now set the stage for Part 5 to begin with the rhyming line "Luke, I am your father."

brittle-lemon, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

OK yeah guys its "'toine" not "tron."

deej., Wednesday, 1 June 2005 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

But the users!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It took me a long time to get that the rubber wasn't on his dick. I thought he was like, "Oh shit, what's this rubber doin' on me?"
Then I woke up.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the love/sex scene is hilarious. the idea of the cramp is genius coming from someone whose image is all about being a mega lover !
i don't know why but i have crazy expectations that once it's complete, the trapped in the closet suite will be some kind of a rnb equivalent of a lynch movie ! or it might just end up being a silly soap opera...
anyway, by the end, just like in asterix, they will party and step, for sure...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought he broke the rubber

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link

from the sheer force of his SUPER-AWESOME FUCKING
his simile has become truth! hoist by his own petard!

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm worried that the fact that i immediately got the significance of the rubber says bad things about my previous relationships.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god a robert?

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030813/9427__brad_l.jpg

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

OK yeah guys its "'toine" not "tron."

:(

jones (actual), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know why but i have crazy expectations that once it's complete, the trapped in the closet suite will be some kind of a rnb equivalent of a lynch movie !

Perhaps because...?

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t058/T058877A.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm hoping against hope that the "film" is just R. Kelly alone on a stage with a chair and some props a la "U Saved Me," miming the situations described.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

is R the director of the "trapped in the closet - the movie" ? (it may have been mentionned earlier in the thread but i can't remember...and am too lazy to read it all over again...).
otherwise, maybe he should ask david lynch ! could be the creepiest thing both have ever done...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

video for part one is on his site http://www.r-kelly.com

It's basically the song acted out note-for-note. Only big extra detail is R. Kelly sticking his head out of the closet and wagging his finger before she closes it and runs back to the room. I think a U Saved Me-style mime would be way more effective and entertaining, but as the story is so batshit it is amusing to watch someone act it out.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

The part where he pulls out the gun is perfect.

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah its almost out of nowhere! its like: whoa, a gun!

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I know you guys were hoping for more (did anyone really think that this was gonna be REALLY batshit?) but the super-serious way EVERYTHING is done makes this a total winner. I especially love:
1) The pan back opening. "This is Chicago. The windy city. A city... of love. It's my city. But what happens when a man looks for love in the wrong places? Let me tell you a story..."
2) Kells watching Cathy and Rufus go at it. He IS freaky.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 June 2005 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Kells watching Cathy and Rufus go at it. He IS freaky

Well there wasn't much to do besides watch. He was a captive audience after all.

My friend just heard an edited version of part 5. Spoilers TK.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried looking up the tire shop ("Willoash Tires") that's outside Rufus and Cathy's window, but there's no entry in the Chicago Yellow Pages.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm just trying to peg where they live -- it's West Side, yeah, but that water tower looks kind of familiar.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Woo doggy...holy brain fuck, Batman! The lyrics:

and now i'm like
well well well
what the (boop) is this
a condom in my bed
you better start talkin bitch
before it ake a match and burn this mother(Boop)er down
i said you better start talkin and start talkin right gotdamn now
then she said baby
i'm so speechless
then i said baby
you gon' be breathless
if you don't start talkin quick
woman i'm gonna have a fit
you don't know what you're (boop)in with
girl you better cut the bull(boop)
now it's obvious somebody has been all up in my home
in my bed
and plus i smell cigarettes
now i'm sniffin and lookin around
suspicious like someone's here
then i looked in her eyes and in her eyes there was so much fear
pull out my gun say is he still here
she shook her head and said no
i'm checkin behind every door
she cried out he left right after you called
i said what the (boop) was you thinkin
you thought that i wouldn't find this out
and then i said you must be crazy or on crack to have somebody all up in my mother(boop)in house
she hopped up and said that's enough
she said i can't take no more
then she said you've made your point but now its time to even the score
she said i know all about last night
and where you went when you left the club
said that's right nigga i was there
with this guy in the back of the club
i said i thought you was with your girls
she said i thought you was with your guys
she said you was at that bitch's house
and don't you even try to act surprised
i said ba- she said shut up
don't you say a word
it ain't nothin you can say that i ain't already heard
then i said woman don't you try to turn it all around
cuz the fact still remains that someone else was in my house
then she said you're right about that
somethin did go down
but i don't have to turn it around
cuz what goes around comes back around
i'm movin a little closer to her
she's trippin over the furniture
she said wait first just let me explain
i said no need to just give me his name
and then she says uh uh
i say uh what?
she said please sit down in the chair
and then she cries out i'm so scared to tell you because of what you might do
and i scream look girl you beter give me this man's name and i'm not playin with you
she says ok wipes her nose and then askeds me about a girl named tina
i thought to myself said it soudns familiar then said i'd probably know her if i seen her
then i said anyway girl what the hell has that got to do with this man
she said he know my girl roxanne
i said who the hell is roxanne
then she said roxanne is a friend of mine who knows this guy named chuck
chuck's cool with this guy named rufus and i'm sitting there like what the fuck!
then she said rufus wife kathy, we both went to high school
she introduced me to the policeman that stopped you.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm confused.

that's it?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. I long for the good old days of "Thin Line Between Love And Hate" where they wrapped it up with a moral.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

...

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm so confused.

deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Yr sure it didnt cut off early? It seems like its supposed to keep going.

deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

That was all he wrote/heard. I sure hope that's not it.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

get one fiction workshop, robert

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

tina and roxanne seems totally extraneous.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it suddenly occurred to me that i'd like to see what larry david would do with this material.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

if... this is it, i think R is just daisy chaining a bunch of names leading into a flashback montage over the previous chapters' cast then finally leading to the policeman being the guy who left the condom.

xcixxorx, Friday, 3 June 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

GOOFY.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

So Rufus and Chuck are going out, and Chuck knows Roxanne who knows R.'s wife, who went to high school with Kathy, who introduced the policeman (who we can assume fucked the wife). And a girl named Tina knows Roxanne. So yeah, Jaymc's right. those last two women are totally extraneous. Basically for reasons unknown to us all Kathy decided to hook up with R., and R.'s wife got revenge by fucking the policeman. I think.

my head hurts.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

forget it miccio, it's chi-town

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

the only reason I can see for this Roxanne/Tina shit is if the reason Kathy hooked up with R. was because she found out from Roxanne/Tina that Chuck was fucking Rufus and decided she needed some Kells orgasm shit cuz undoubtedly R.'s wife would blab to her friend from high school about his prowess. But as Kathy was shocked at the Chuck-Rufus revelation that seems unlikely.

x-post hahahaha

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

R Kelly is weird, but not that weird. It must be cut off early. Or something.

deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno, he might be that weird!

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

oh it has to be a cut off. I refuse to believe the song builds up to SHE INTRODUCED ME TO THE POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED YOU!!! YOU!!!! you!!! you!

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i dunno, i can easily see him coming up with this great idea and getting bored halfway through

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

oh I'm not entirely shocked by this unnecessary plot shit (look at the end of Psycho or Sleepy Hollow or any other movie where the action stops and somebody pointlessly explains it all) but it would still end with some big tada or reflection or him yelling "THE END!!!!" or something. It wouldn't end in mid-speech.

This thing does slightly explain Mary/Kathy's whole "don't you want to know how this started" shit in 2 & 3.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

WHO HAS MP3 OF THIS.. i'm not reading the lyrics until i listen to it.

(shields eyes)

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

miccio otm

deej., Friday, 3 June 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

wtf, is Robert a Twin Peaks fan or what?!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

this suit burns better, look

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 3 June 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

his decision to write 'tina' into the story is totally fascinating, in a magnificent bastard kind of way

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

also, i am absolutely stunned that this didn't end with r. finding duder in the closet.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

also, what should've been bump'n'grind's rashomon is now officially bump'n'grind's "it's a small world after all".

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

also, what significance does the gay couple really have in the overall frame of the story? was the "closet" metaphor nothing but a happy coincidence? r. kelly, what a guy.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not cut off. i have it and i'll YSI it. it literally ends with "the policeman that just stopped you...you...you".

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

w...t...f...

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

that's almost as bad as the end of School Daze

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

uploading as we speak.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

its GOTTA be tbc

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

have at it, folks:

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0B01MINX29S850AIP32I8Z5SSF

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

boop

miccio (miccio), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess we could argue that it's the CHARACTER of R. Kelly's wife who doesn't know how to get to the (boop)ing point and brings up (boop)ing irrelevant names. I mean R. himself expresses annoyance. There really doesn't need to be a tbc, its clear she means the policeman is 'who did it.'

Sigh. Fun was had.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I always hate movies where no detail is given if there isn't a point later. Like how if an old man has a mild heart pain near the beginning you know he's gonna keel in the second act. Or if someone is good at something you know near the end there's gonna be this serious need for that skill to be to deployed to save the day. It sucks that the speeding violation was turned into one of those deals rather than as inexplicable and hilarious track padding.

This still rules though.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

how does she know a policeman stopped him? these lyrics got holes like swiss cheese

Amon (eman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

it literally ends with "the policeman that just stopped you...you...you".

actually it's more like "the policeman that just stopped youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuoop"

Amon (eman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

wow

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm glad that the ticket thing wasn't just extraneous. Though that policeman actually catching him on that road is stretching it. I think Part 5 is just jumbled. It just hasn't sounded as interesting (though if it did is debatable) or smooth as parts 1-3. It's like he blew his load halfway and was just reaching for a way to wrap it up quick.

Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Awww, this is SOOO disappointing...

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

And nothing was resolved...
Oh well I guess it's back to waiting for TP3 to come out

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

haha cutty so so so otm

jones (actual), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i swear to god i was thinking p.t. anderson too, as soon as the cop showed up

(so don't knock r's shabby storytelling skills people - he learned from the MASTER)

jones (actual), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

in fact if he had stuck the cancer scare from "u saved me" in there too he'd be getting oscar nominations for this

jones (actual), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

his leg was cramped because of CANCER.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

sex tumor

Amon (eman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, parts four and five are a MASSIVE letdown.
I know I've cried wolf on this in the past (Eminem, Daft Punk) but is there ANY chance that this is some sort of alternate take? Cause it alternates between "boop" and "fuck". Cause it makes virtually no sense and is only a fraction as interesting as part three. Cause it sucks.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't doubt that part 5 is for real, but part of me wishes that a part 6 came out of nowhere and it just kept going and going.

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

ok you part four haters are really annoying me. you say you would want to live your lives without "COOL, CLIMAX, JUST LET GO MY LEG!"??? Part 4 is some next level shit.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

To quote:
simonides3: dude r's description of sex is kind of ridic
simonides3: its like hearing someone who's never gotten laid talk about sex
OneVanBeeth: hahahaha
simonides3: the leg cramp
OneVanBeeth: yeah
OneVanBeeth: "shit think shit think"
simonides3: i mean whatever r, just move your leg, not a big deal

Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god, so the entertaining R. Kelly line is not logical! Who would have thought? My point remains - the leg cramp sequence is the finest dramatic moment in the last fifty years of radioplay. NOT SINCE WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe this is just his A New Hope

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah I gotta say I'm with Miccio on this one, the leg cramp is great. Also the part where he actually mimics the sound of a siren.

Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Bill Callaghan = R Kelly fan

it was on the Irish Times man

Michael B, Saturday, 4 June 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm almost kinda mad at how the wait between each chapter leaking got successively shorter and shorter. I mean, part 4 was, what, 4 days ago? and part 5 already? the suspense was half the fun!

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 4 June 2005 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link

So are we gonna get a remix?

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Saturday, 4 June 2005 08:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god, so the entertaining R. Kelly line is not logical! Who would have thought? My point remains - the leg cramp sequence is the finest dramatic moment in the last fifty years of radioplay. NOT SINCE WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc.

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), June 4th, 2005

OTM

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Saturday, 4 June 2005 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep forgetting that scene in Take The Money And Run where Woody Allen gets a leg cramp during sex and his wife says this ALWAYS happens.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

4 was next-level accidental comedy (if a jarring change from 1-3), but you gotta acknowledge 5 lost it completely.

Sex In The Kitchen and Trapped In The Closet are the first R Kelly songs I have heard since She Got That Vibe. Is there any album that lives up to these, or should I just seek out whatever has Ignition on (the D@rnie11e and Bonnie P. Billy versions were great)? (Or are his albums too choked with non-ridiculous slow jams and Jesus joints, and I should just sit back and wait for a best-of?)

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

SEEK ALL OF THESE ALBUMS.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

They're all super but I'd definitely start with Chocolate Factory and work my way back.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

How does one hear a darnielle cover of ignition and not hear the original?

deej., Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

To quote:
simonides3: dude r's description of sex is kind of ridic
simonides3: its like hearing someone who's never gotten laid talk about sex
OneVanBeeth: hahahaha
simonides3: the leg cramp
OneVanBeeth: yeah
OneVanBeeth: "shit think shit think"
simonides3: i mean whatever r, just move your leg, not a big deal
-- Candicissima (candicissim...), June 4th, 2005.


oh my god, so the entertaining R. Kelly line is not logical! Who would have thought? My point remains - the leg cramp sequence is the finest dramatic moment in the last fifty years of radioplay. NOT SINCE WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc.
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), June 4th, 2005.


erm yeah to clarify, in context i (simonides) wasnt hating on the r's logic or the leg cramp line, which i think is fuckin fantastic. the fact that r describes his graphic sex scene in the same absurdist, melodramatic, counterlogical, gratuitously digressing way as he talks about everything else is amazing.

which makes part 4 easily way better than part 3, a lil better than part 2, and approaching the level of genius of part 1. chapter 5 is a bit of a letdown just because it's so rushed, but i'll be stunned if there isn't some sort of remix/extended chapters shit on the bonus disc or something...right? please?

swvl (vozick), Saturday, 4 June 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

if I had to rate them: 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > 5

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 4 June 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god, so the entertaining R. Kelly line is not logical! Who would have thought? My point remains - the leg cramp sequence is the finest dramatic moment in the last fifty years of radioplay. NOT SINCE WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc.

Heh. I'm just bitter I was wrong about it not being a dream. But that whole sequence was still pretty insipid for a play by play even for him. Are they going to have a sequence in the video where his dick goes soft upon finding the rubber in the covers?

Anyhoo, I think 2 > 1 > 3 > 5 > 4

Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 4 June 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought 2 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 3 (3 is so dull!)

deej., Saturday, 4 June 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

How does one hear a darnielle cover of ignition and not hear the original?

internet innit! really, I haven't encountered a Kelly song on Australian radio or telly since 1992. I just saw/heard Hard Knock Life by Jay-Z for the first time five minutes ago, too.

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 5

with the understanding that all five rank among the most beautiful things I will see in pop culture this year.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

3, 2 and 1 could all switch around depending on which catchphrase I'm thinking of that moment. "Shit, think, shit, think" vs. "now you'll learn the SHOCKING truth" vs. "CHUCK SAYS WE'RE IN LOVE!!!" = everybody wins.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Also the part where he actually mimics the sound of a siren.
= OTM

Also, the beeps in part 5 are great.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

4>2>1>3>5

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 4 June 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

"KATHY SAYS "'LOVE' MY ASS" is underrated.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 4 June 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Everybody overhates #5.

deej., Saturday, 4 June 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah #5 has some pretty good shit in it. I hope the beeps are part of the finished product, hence why they are inconsistent, cos that would make it phenomenol.

Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Saturday, 4 June 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

man, this whole ordeal just puts a smile on my face. thanks r.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

part 1 is undeniable! it's the only one where i feel like the escalating drama/cliffhanger end isn't forced. plust it's *simple*--I'd've preferred fewer characters, less scene-changes, more R just trillin about the dresser or the kitchen countertop--more description.

Jimmy_tango, Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone please post the lyrics of part 5?

Yes, I would have also preferred that the entire suite take place in the closet.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and how does one get to hear a D4rN1e11e version of Ignition??

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

he does a bit of it at the end of a Boys Are Back In Town cover than Music For Robots blogged last year. the Bonnie Prince Billy & Matt Sweeney was also a live mp3 blog jobbie - sluggishly propulsive, comes across almost as real-time screwed&chopped.

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 6 June 2005 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm writing a piece about "Trapped" and I'm torn as to how much to reveal to the reader about the events of the later chapters. should I even worry about 'spoilers' when the end of the story is so dull?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you worried about spoilers because the later chapters haven't been "officially" released yet?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

no, I'm worried about spoilers because presumably the reader won't have heard all of them, or maybe has only heard Chapter 1 (which so far is the only one that's an official single/video release).

Al (sitcom), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It's tough. Ordinarily, I wouldn't worry about spoilers for a song, or series of songs, but I think R. has rewritten the rules a bit.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Chapter 5 is totally confusing to me, I don't really understand what happened. Was the whole thing a sting by R.'s woman to catch him cheating? And what happened to Tron???

La Monte (La Monte), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got #3 and #5, but no #4... And I don't want to ruin #4 by listening to #5 - am I missing the yousendit link up there?

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, it's not working! Oh well.

he said "ho, I should've known
that you would go and do some bogus shit up in my house

I misheard "bog shit up in my house" last night as shtuppin' in my house, and I thought it was bizarre that R. was using a yiddishism, till I realized it was the radio edit.

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Err, that would be "bogus shit," not "bog shit."

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The video for part 1 is up on the R's website. It's pretty great. They really managed to capture the cheap plastic quality of daytime soaps.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

someone guna ysi all 5?

charleston charge (chaki), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:26 (eighteen years ago) link

> she says ok wipes her nose and then askeds me about a girl named tina

I guess this isn't a methaphor, then?

Speculation: Roxanne's a man!

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

She was crying perhaps?

Candicissima (candicissima), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The Trouble With Tina

“You play with your dick so much that your balls are red for the next five days,” he said. “Tina takes you down to the level of basically our roots as men — the animalistic part of yourself. You kind of lose your head and the next thing you know you are having sex for as many hours as you can with as many people as you can.”

Hmm.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite part about Chapter 5 is the couplet:

"then she said Roxanne is a friend of mine who knows this guy named Chuck
Chuck's cool with this guy named Rufus and I'm sitting there like what the fuck!"

I'd like to think he picked the name Chuck just to make that rhyme work later on.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Rufus Thomas. And the funky Chuck'en.

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't been satisfied with any of them since pt. 1, really. 2 was pretty good.

But yeah, they're still gripping as hell.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Alright people! The following R. Kelly albums* have turned up in local remainder/parallel import shops at ten bucks each (1/3 the price of new CDs here).

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000053B.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WIZA.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000050T.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001VOHH0.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

Which ONE is most going to satisfy a listener enraptured by the ridiculous drama of the Trapped In The Closet saga?

*(also the Public Announcement one, but fuck that)

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 10 June 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Buy them all! (if you only buy one, buy 12 Play)

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 10 June 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

how come TP3 hasn't leaked yet ? i mean, we're only 3 weeks before its release !?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 10 June 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Part 2 video

I'm so distracted by the guy who plays Rufus because he's such a hybrid of Fonzworth Bentley and that guy from the Jamie Foxx show. I'm also glad that the "I'm going to shoot you" thing as Rufus goes to open up the door at the end looks as ridiculous as it sounds.

Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

from the 11 things you should know about R. Kelly on that page

#10. R. Kelly is undeniably a patriot.

yes. i love this man.

WHUTWHUTWHUT, Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

'Playas Only', both video and song = not so hot.
Game ain't helpin'.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 June 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I am quite fond of R.'s "This is making me think" face.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 18 June 2005 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://www.ucbtheatre.com/schedule/showdetails.php?showid=783
Trapped In The Closet
Join Eric Appel and a special guest panel as they view and discuss R. Kelly's un-ironic 5 part hip-hopera, TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET, also known as, "The most unintenionally hilarious music video of all time." With Eric Appel, Brian Berrebbi, Kate Spencer, and Paul Scheer

I think even an "ironic" indie cover would be preferable to this.

Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

ugh, god.

"unintentionally". bah.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't been able to find an online link anywhere, but according to the Red Eye Parts 6-10 were shown as a surprise after 1-5 at a premeire party over the weekend.

jonviachicago, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

wtf yeah 'un-ironic' did they miss the BOOPS in part 5!?!?!!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

omg he acted one out! WHY DIDN'T YOU FILM IT LIKE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE, KELLS!?!?!?!?!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

as much as I enjoy the videos, I still wish he had done them all "U Saved Me" style.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"and even acted out the words to one of the episodes before hosting a party at Le Passage"!!!!!!

xpost

Baaderonixx le Belge (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

R. Kelly preens about Trapped on mtv.com

fave quotes: " 'Trapped in the Closet' was designed to go around the world sort of like the Ghost of Christmas Past — house to house, this situation to that situation, sometimes exposing people in their regular lives. Anybody's closet I can pop up in and see what they're going through and tell the world what's going on in their lives. But I don't come unless there's drama."

"I must admit that doing 'Trapped,' I did not know my writing skills could go to such a depth — then high, then sideways. My mother used to tell me, 'Boy, your elevator goes sideways.' I'm starting to believe her."

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

a magic urinating elevator!

Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

wow he is batshit loony

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i'm laughin' i'm laughin', but it's with love.
This is better news than Em retiring for a bit.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as R. Kelly goes, I gave up on him years ago. While never terribly original, and often dated, I still find 12 Play to be a very enjoyable recording. How well it ages is another question, but "bump 'n Grind", "Homie Lover Friend", and "Summer Bunnies" are all solid. Classic raunchiness (though it never approached Prince on "Dirty Mind").

However, the s/t album was just mediocre, with only a few standouts, and since then, most of what I've heard from him has been average to abysmal.

Is this new stuff any different?

50 Cent is Alfalfa, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

yhe if ur wife/husband is cheating do the same.trapped in the closet is nice but i dont want anyone cheating thats cruelty.

sianda iyaya, Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

From the latest B3ta:

" >> R Kelly <<
Who would have thought the day would come when
we'd be bigging up R Kelly? But you have to watch
his five-part operapa, quite possibly the greatest
thing we've ever, ever seen. It tells the story of
Kelly getting caught in a closet by the husband of
his latest lady and the real-time delivery is what
brings the laughs, "I've got cramp!" being a
choice moment. (Click the video section.)
http://www.r-kelly.com/index_main.html
"

"Operapa"!??!?!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

ah it's nice to have this thread back.
any news about the following parts' release ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

supposedly he's already shot a video for Chapters 6-10, no word about how it's going to be released yet. and the only thing anyone's heard of those chapters is that clip that I think was posted on another thread that was from the BET special about Trapped.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Part 6-10 will be about Tron really coming home and getting them caught up in some drama.

I finally(!) got the chance to see the videos for 4&5. I like the acting choice of "Gwendolyn" to be a little more in his face and holding her own that the lyrics would've led you to believe. But do cops ever smoke like that policeman does? That really bugged me.

Candicissima (candicissima), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The Jimmy Kimmel spoof was *hilarious*!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The last I heard was that 6-10 are dropping before the end of the summer, en masse in a maxi CD.
I'm writing a piece on TP3 for Salon that I'll drop off here for appraisal.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm mailing this off before I go to sleep, but I'll take some immediate commentary and clarifications if you got it:
=====================
Let’s face it: an obscene amount of pop music journalism relies on the fact that a growing group of aging Gen-X hipsters (mostly those who are just exiting the coveted 18-34 yr. old demographic) look at the Billboard charts and say, “Jesus Christ, I have NO IDEA who the top three artists in America are. Who the hell is Rihanna? Since when did Bow Wow stop being ‘Lil’? And how in the name of god had a man best known for peeing on a fourteen year old kept a stranglehold on the number one album in America for two weeks running? ”

Bearing this somewhat unwieldy maxim in mind, I present to you:

The Six Things You Really Should Know About R. Kelly and His #1 Album, TP.3

THE “R” STANDS FOR “ROBERT.”
Robert Sylvester, to be precise. Kelly also answers to “The R”, “The Pied Piper” and “Kells”.

THE “TP” IN QUESTION IS NOT CHARMIN.
The reference is to Kelly’s phenomenally successful 1993 album Twelve Play, so called because it’s presumably three times as good as foreplay and also, well, it’s twelve tracks long. Twelve Play was Kelly’s second album and the first to bring him international fame, courtesy of the smash hit ‘Bump and Grind’. Twelve Play (which, appropriately, went sextuple platinum) features one of the truly great track titles of all time in ‘I Like the Crotch on You.’

In 2000, Kelly released a sequel to Twelve Play titled TP-2. 2, like 1, is almost entirely comprised of raunchy slow jams; ‘Feelin’ On Yo’ Booty’, ‘Strip for You’ and ‘Greatest Sex’, to name a few. TP.3 was released on July 5th of this year and has more or less dominated the pop album charts since. Notably outrageously titled cuts on TP.3 include ‘Kickin’ It With Your Girlfriend’, ‘Hit It Til’ The Morning’ and ‘Sex in the Kitchen’ (featuring the memorable lyric, “This is what I’m ready to do / Girl, I’m ready to toss your salad / While making love, girl; I’ll be feasting”).

IT’S AWFULLY GOOD.
Among R. Kelly fans, at least, the general consensus seems to be that TP.3 is as accomplished and fully realized an album as the man has made. There are numerous experiments in genre; Kelly shows an affinity to Dancehall and reggae with ‘Slow Wind’ and ‘Reggae Bump, Bump,’ while ‘Girls Go Crazy’ and the first single, ‘Playas Only’ (a duet with ex-G-unit rapper The Game) is pure hip hop. There are a number of surprisingly touching love songs; ‘Touchin’, with long time collaborator Nivea is a gentle, seductive ballad with a typical Kelly-ish twist: the performers are singing to each other ostensibly in flagrante delicto. There’s also at least one true Summer Jam: ‘Happy Summertime’ with Snoop Dogg, which is all but certain to soon be booming from a Jeep near you.

IF YOU ENJOYED AL GREEN IN THE SEVENTIES, MARVIN GAYE IN THE EIGHTIES OR PRINCE IN THE NINETIES, TP.3 IS WORTH A LOOK
Like Al, Kelly’s ongoing struggle between the twin poles of his libido and his spirituality is the crux of his music; Kelly’s last album, the two CD Happy People/U Saved Me, includes an entire disc of gospel music. The lyrical raunchiness and comedy of Marvin’s classic Midnight Love neatly dovetails into R’s later opuses and TP.3 mirrors Prince’s Diamonds and Pearls-era blend of double-entendre, obsessively catchy hooks and silky-smooth delivery. As a vocal performer, Kelly rivals Michael Jackson in his eighties prime; R’s voice is provocative in its range, intensity and unrivalled sincerity.
More than halfway through the decade, a reasonable case could be made for Kells as the preeminent soul singer of the naughties; time will tell if he’ll take his place among the luminaries, but albums as strong as TP.3 only help.

IS HE SERIOUS?
That’s the million dollar question music critics split over: R. Kelly’s music is arch, sophisticated and beautifully produced but so thick with malapropism that many writers damn Kelly as a filthy-minded and unintentional savant rather than as a landmark artist. Personally, I find it impossible to dismiss Kells so easily; too much of his music resonates too deeply to write it off as accidentally or naively crafted. This ‘Intelligent Design’ approach to understanding Kelly almost willfully neglects the depth of meaning, expression and comedy that is baldly apparent in much of his work. While it’s putting it lightly that Kelly has some issues with hubris (all of the Twelve Plays are defined by excess and self-aggrandizement), it seems terribly obvious that the man approaches his music with a mix of humor and gravitas that is methodical, measured and meaningful. R is ridiculously prolific (producing something more than an album a year), iconoclastic, fantastically popular and fun to listen to; if this is him screwing around, god help us if he ever gets serious.

RIGHT, RIGHT; BUT WHAT’S ALL THIS ABOUT HIM COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET?
Ah yes, the ‘Trapped in the Closet’ cycle. This hyper-meta soap opera comprises the last sixteen and a half minutes of TP.3 and deserves some special attention. Divided into five roughly three minute songs, ‘Trapped’ has our hero narrating the sad story of his raisonneur, Sylvester (see above), a married man who has misspent his night out by going home with a barely remembered stranger. Sylvester promptly attempts to leave but is stalled by the sudden return of his one-night-stand’s husband. Finding himself captive in a one exit, fifth floor bedroom; Sylvester is force to hide in the closet, where he espies his ex-lover and her husband begin to get it on. Then Sylvester’s cellular phone goes off and all hell breaks loose. The next four songs involve a concealed weapon, a shocking confession (“Well, since we’re all coming out the closet / I’m not about to be the only one who’s broken hearted”), an unbelievable love polyhedron, a suspicious policeman, a half-dozen red herrings and an unfortunate leg cramp. The result, especially when rendered in obsessively versimilitudinous music videos, is alternately hysterical, gripping and absurd beyond words. I strongly recommend you experience it for yourself by visiting Kells’ at http://www.r-kelly.com/ ; click on the video tab.


Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 July 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yep sounds like a salon article alright

murray, Friday, 29 July 2005 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Then my job here is done.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the article. Good job.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's good, too. And I bet it'll provoke some uptight angry letters.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Article is great - nice! Especially the "Intelligent Design" line. Only quibble is in calling "Playas Only" the first single -- both "Sex in the Kitchen" and "Trapped" preceded it as singles, no?

P.S. As a copy editor, I need to know: Is the correct title of the song "Playas Only" or "Playa's Only"? I've seen it both ways several times. Thanks!

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Joseph:
It's listed as "Playa's Only" on the website; I've also seen it both ways.

And you're right about it not being the first single; it's just the first single SINCE THE ALBUM DROPPED, so I got that twisted. I also said "comedy" twice in the Al green section and should cut one of those in favor of, say "virtuosity".

I'm glad someone liked my "ID" reference; I tickled myself with that one.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link


http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3100

Perhaps funnier in theory than execution, but they get massive points for sticking close to the concept and nailing the medium dead-on.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

been checking out the album...it's alright...obv. it's a little bit of a letdown after seeing the insanity of the trapped video, but boy oh boy does that "Toss your salad" line from Sex in the Kitchen rule!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

...that Salon article was actually pretty forced, I thought.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

3. What is the main plot function of Chuck and Rufus’s romance?
a. To illustrate the pervasive infiltration of sodomites in our society
b. To legitimize homosexuality among blacks
c. To explore Sylvester’s bi-curious fantasies
d. All of the above

Eh?

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The SATs make less sense over time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Really Ned? How so?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Trapped In The Closet...Sim City style

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

And I totally meant just Sims.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Da song is fabulous. Keep dha fire burning. You are a great guy of wonderful character.

danson m. kitavi, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

word is that R.'s performance at this weekend's MTV VMA's will be of a brand new chapter of "Trapped"!

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

normally Id want an artist to refrain from trying to add to a great work. More often then not it turns out badly but the nature of "trapped" lends itself to more and more. its too ridiculous to take seriously. its too much fun to resist anyway. I guess ill be tuning in now.

jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

this is so so bad but i have to give r credit for thinking up the whole thing and getting lots of people hooked into it. A for the idea, F on the execution.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

word is that R.'s performance at this weekend's MTV VMA's will be of a brand new chapter of "Trapped"!

about time!

My life with Baaderonixx and the Choco-pops babies (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 August 2005 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh mama !
when are the vma's already ?
that will be the first time i see a live performance of kels...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 26 August 2005 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link

can u tape it AleXTC?

My life with Baaderonixx and the Choco-pops babies (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 August 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

just got the dvd with the kitchen-sink drama TIC featuring Kels himself...it explains a few things that cant be recognisable from lyrics, but the acting is mostly appaling...i must say i prefer Kels in the sex tapes than him going round the bedroom with loaded gun

karl76 (karl76), Friday, 26 August 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Ne... Kels je dobry herec!

My life with Baaderonixx and the Choco-pops babies (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

impossible, mon magneto est mort... je vais voir si je trouve qlq'un qui peut dans mon entourage...
ca va sinon ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess i'll be looking for it on the web then

My life with Baaderonixx and the Choco-pops babies (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite part of the video is Kelly's acting in pt.5 when his wife asks him to sit down and ask her if she knows a girl named x(?). its fantastic!

jmeister (jmeister), Friday, 26 August 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
This is seriously terrible.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Are there videos online for chapters 6-12?

I've only gotten to see 1-5 and I'm stuck at work, aaaaaaagh

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i think i found 6-8

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

aaagh maybe not

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.flagpole.com/articles.php?fp=TrappedInTheCloset

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there music for chapters 6-12?

No, ok — thanks.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Hilary's piece is awesome! Easily my favorite on the subject to date.

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I think she overeggs it a little by dropping in one or two many "intellectual" references (Harold Bloom, e.g.), but yeah, it's a good piece.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
I hope this helps someone. there hasnt been a post for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=scKnvg-JIDE&search=r.%20kelly

Masterkiller, Friday, 30 December 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way that was chapters 6-10. Videos.

Masterkiller, Friday, 30 December 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

did we all lose interest?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 2 January 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno... maybe kels should move to something new now (with some friends, i thought he should have released a christmas/new year's eve album !).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 2 January 2006 12:02 (eighteen years ago) link

it's funny that they're not leaking out, if indeed there are more chapters. as kit brash said to me a few months back, if he released a chapter every fortnight via itunes, everyone would be HANGING for the next instalment.

waldo jeffers scenario (haitch), Monday, 2 January 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think people would be pretty much exactly how they seem to be now; bemused, bored and completely oversaturated with their yearly allotment of R. Kelly nonsense.

Dan (Trapped In The Closet Part 593) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 January 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

more than people, it's a wonder that kels didn't get bored before. somehow, i don't really see him as a person who sticks to an idea for years...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

People I talk to still seem pretty entertained by it all. The midget helped.

'Twan (miccio), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

well, i really enjoyed the dvd. but i don't know, i don't really see the suite going for much more.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I was all ready to say "shark jump" when I first heard the audio of 6-8 but after seeing how it all worked out I wouldn't presume to know when he'll run out of insanity.

'Twan (miccio), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

well, i keep thinking (since part 2!) that the constraint he put over himself of having one music/melody over and over is a... conceptual mistake !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't.

'Twan (miccio), Monday, 2 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i finally watched this, and i have to say that i find it without much merit. it's marginally entertaining or at least distracting as a fairly replete anthology of bad narrative tricks and clichés, and for its incoherence (for instance, how r. twins himself as protagonist AND visible narrator about mid-way through the series). and the fact that r. kelly was able to do this with fairly high production values -- and get so much exposure for what would be considered a failure as a junior-high-school play. i think dan's right; after the initial "wtf" reaction this doesn't really have much to recommend it. there are actually some nice camera movements and i like the (conscious?) use of now-stylized-seeming rear projection in the driving sequences. the other merits are all musical. in deciding to narrate absolutely everything, r. has done a few things with his basic r&b vocal approach that haven't been done in a while, and he is able to make the most of the skeletal, repetitive structure than probably any other singer/producer could've (or would have wanted to). there are probably some musical ideas in here worth copping. but as a whole, watching this and even thinking much about this is tedious.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

the "insanity" that so many here (including myself, earlier) keep referring to doesn't really seem like a particular inventive variety of insanity! i mean obviously r. is a bit cracked, and as important he doesn't seem to have anyone around him who's prepared to veto any of his ideas. but the results don't really have the sui-generis interest of some other "insane" music; they seem to reveal a certain poverty of imagination. the effect is of being pummeled with someone else's fixations in a fairly undecorative form: the mechanics of infidelity, the wielding of guns.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oh good fucking grief.

I just saw this. All of it. Why?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Some things in life you've just gotta get through.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

all trapped in the closet fans should check out the sparkle 'be careful' video too.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the dvd and have been quite a fan but I wonder if I'll ever watch it again...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

sparkle ft r kelly - be careful

lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I just saw this. All of it. Why?

-- Sick Mouthy

Dude, this is the most classic thing ever. I think I know all the words. My favourite bit in the video is the bit when R. sings "midget!" and there's a delay on his voice and for everytime the word is repeated he teleports back slightly until he's standing in the kitchen cupboard with his cigar. A masterstroke of visual art.

jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The wikipedia entry for this is all I need to know. Holy Christ.

TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

No, dude, you need to watch it. Really.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

the saddest thing being we might never know the end of this cliffhanging story...
unless : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i have seen just a clip -- the midget part -- and that was mindblowing enough. i should get round to it for reals.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

We want the second season!

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

TITC is supremely entertaining. it's simultaneously one of the greatest and worst things ever produced by humankind. it alternates between mind-bogglingly tedious awfulness and uniquely inspired cartoon genius almost from second to second. kelly is a titan of comedy. he's managed to make a brilliantly observed spoof of something that didn't even really exist before he spoofed it.

all trapped in the closet fans should check out the sparkle 'be careful' video too.

eh? I didn't get this at all...far too po-faced. where's the love, I ask you? where's the love?

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

god i fucking love be careful! i'm going to buy that on itunes right now!

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, I'd read about it and heard about it and even seen parodies of it, but until I saw the whole thing the horrible scale and sincerity of it had never struck me.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

'sincerity'? are you sure? it's much smarter than that.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe it's been almost 2 years already. such a wonderful time it was to watch it unravel.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

the excitement, anticipation and WTF with each new part...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

eh? I didn't get this at all...far too po-faced. where's the love, I ask you? where's the love?

two years ago, promises is all i heard :(

i think the sincerity in 'be careful' works in much the same way as in TITC - TITC is more obviously tongue-in-cheek maybe but there's the same love of grand gestures and melodrama (ie both funny and moving).

btw sparkle is the aunt of the girl r kelly pissed on.

lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

well that lends it a certain frisson of eeeeeuuurgh. I wonder if they're still friends?

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i found my dvd of this when i was, uh, cleaning out my closet last weekend

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

the director's commentary might be better than the thing itself

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my lord, director's commentary.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

What the hell does he say? Actually who directed? Did Kelly direct himself? I have no idea.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

all the bonus on the dvd are classic : kels watching TITC with a cigar and turning to the camera (us) to explain things = very classic !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

seriously, watch it. i think r. kelly discovered the word "cliffhanger" in the dictionary one day and the biggest lightbulb of his life suddenly went off.

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't remember who i talked to about this at the time -- it might have been miccio or my friend drew -- but you could seriously make a drinking game out of how many times he says it in the commentary track.

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

here we go !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8LAeI2KyVM

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

We want the second season!

My friend works for a prop warehouse that supplies all the props for the trapped in the closet videos. Apparently they're currently filming the follow-up. Which is kind of stupid and nuts, because i can't imagine people really still care.

aside from brits reading about it on wikipedia, i guess

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i care. very much so.

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

haha well i should probably start posting the stories I've heard about the production, then.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I am so incredibly happy to hear that.

jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

This whole thing is a fucking minstrel act.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno if dan is being 'funny' or not but i basically agree

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not being funny.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Its also pretty boring. I thought it was interesting at first in an "the audacity...!" way but really, it isn't music, it is an event and I many of the folks I know IRL who are real enthusiastic about it can be pretty condescending.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

it coulda gone either way after the first couple tracks is the thing -- i mean you could enjoy it just for what it was. and i'm sure there's some folks who enjoy the whole thing in an "unironic" way but rilly after pt 5 it was just painfully downhill and yeah basically dan otm at this point. ppl talking about it are basically to me sorta like ppl talking about flava of love or whatever. something feels a bit cruel about it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta start calling Crispin Glover films "an insult to the white race."

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

'cruel'...? pah. it's a work of brilliance. it's not cruel to say so.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

seriously, this "minstrel show" bullshit would be a lot more convincing if people didn't get off on white crazy or any other type of crazy.

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't get mad just because you like prurientn sketchy bullshit, Anthony.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Many of"Flavor Of Love"'s attempts at humor seem much more derived from race, so my enjoyment of that bothers me a lot more than my enjoyment of Trapped In The Closet, which would be funny to me (and hopefully embarassingly unfunny to you) coming from anyone.

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and, like, how come theres no WHITE entertainment television??

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh those Flavor of Love shows are just fucking horrible

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not at all about "Flavor of Love", either, but I don't think you can blithely seperate the work produced from the people producing it; if someone white had produced "Trapped In The Closet", people would be comparing to to "Soul Plane" rather than trumpeting its comedic genius.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

and if I'm angry it's because you and Ethan don't ever seem to undersand that distinction.

xpost wtf does that have to do with what I'm saying, Ethan?

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

(and while similarly minstrels-ish they don't quite have the WTF?! quality of TITC, they're all too predictable)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

That's because I think that distinction is self-justifying bullshit.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I'm blithely seperating it, "Trapped In The Drive-Thru" was totally hilarious without including any racial references.

So anything you find personally embarassing from a black person that other people find hilarious is inherently a minstrel act? There's no possibility you can find something a black person does ridiculous and funny without it being based on their race?

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you and I allowed to laugh at Connie Chung singing on her series finale without it being an insult to asians everywhere?

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

is r. "in on the joke," as it were? i mean, i know dude is crazy, but there's no way that he's actually totally serious about this, is there?

but even if he was, ive seen/heard too many white frat dudes make fun of this in a v. sketchily racist way to be enthusiastic abt it.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i almost added to my original post 'except for gleeful ironists like miccio who enjoy idiotic horseshit if its produced by white dudes too' but the criticism still stands, white ppl have a serious problem reading artistic intent into black music and consume it only as something ignorantly & unintentionally bad

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

ethan's totally right, 90% of white "fans" of titc that i know would never think that r. is making a comedy; it's always, "look how dumb/crazy this guy is" ("this is what happens when you give black people the ability to make music/movies")

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for making me smile, guys.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

see above post from ppl who suppose that r 'just learned the meaning of the word cliffhanger' is therefore abusing it like a child would

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Connie Chung's bizarre "lounge act" thing is hilarious because Connie Chung can't sing, not because Connie Chung is Asian.

"Trapped in the Closet" is "hilarious" largely because of the juxtapositions of black stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs.

I have not seen or heard "Trapped in the Drive-Thru" but I'm certain that its humor works because Weird Al is a comedian good at writing funny material.

Like I said, don't get mad because you happen to really, really like some bullshit.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, I got no problem with Ethan's "idiotic bullshit/gleeful irony" talk, I just think if everybody on General Hospital started singing I'd laugh at that too.

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

plus R. Kelly's got a much better (if totally skewed) sense of timing than whoever did Jerry Springer: The Musical.

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"...if someone white had produced "Trapped In The Closet", people would be comparing to to "Soul Plane" rather than trumpeting its comedic genius."
- The Android Cat

No way.

R. Kelly isn't just "somebody", and that's critical. Even without TITC, Kelly is, ummm ... complicated. He's brilliant and awful and creepy and hilarious all mashed together.

There isn't a comparable white entertainment figure that we could map this scenario onto, simply 'cuz R. Kelly is unique. But if a kinda-half-similarly bizzare and wonderful/awful white guy made this exact same film, starring himself, I think it'd receive exactly the same response.

I mean, what if Scott Stapp made TITC? The world would shit itself! The world would do exactly what it did in Kelly's case. You'd have a million condescending blog entries about the "genius" and people rolling in the aisles.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i think g n'r's don't cry, november rain, and estranged videos might figure into this debate...somehow.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

FFS, why did I even come back onto this thread.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

haha got me

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i was going to jump in until i realized we're wobbling precariously close to the great whisper song debate of '05 here

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, what if Scott Stapp made TITC?

I think reading this made me dumber.

This thing would STILL be a minstrel show regardless of who made it, is kind of my (I thought) explicit point here.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure, if a white guy made TITC shot for shot, line for line, it'd be racist. Blackface. Appalling. I didn't think you were suggesting anything so obvious.

But if a white person of similar infamy made a similarly plotted, similarly brilliant/retarded film, it would be received in precisely the same way. It would reflect white culture instead of black culture of course, but the basic dynamic would be the same. People of all sorts would adore it in a condescendingly ironic fashion.

I mean, what if Scott Stapp DID make something like TITC, and a lot of black people dug it because of the "juxtapositions of white stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs"?

So what? Comedy = stereotypes + stereotypes punctured. Big deal. White guilt about what's okay or not okay to laugh at is retarded. Every culture in the world thinks other cultures are funny to the extent they don't think they're evil.

Therefore, thinking other cultures are funny is a GOOD THING. Or at least it can be...

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Comedy = stereotypes

sometimes comedy also equals people falling over or running around to yakety sax

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I'll let Mr. Beales take it from here...

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Dear Adam Beales:

Die.

XOXOXO

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

nah comedy = bad things happening to other people (non sequiturs optional)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

to yakety sax

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

(I hope that's an xpost!)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm actually hearing this whole thread to the tune of yakety sax. dan, you are benny hill. adam beales and miccio are bikini girls.

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Riley: If you're good, maybe Santa will give you a golden shower for Christmas!
Grandad: Christmas? My man Santa.

baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Riley: Grandad, can you take us into the city tomorrow to watch the R. Kelly trial?
Grandad: Hell no, but you can walk.
Riley: It's 40 miles!
Grandad: All the money I spent on them damn Nikes, you better just do it.

baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, fine, I'll fix it. SOME comedy = stereotypes + stereotypes punctured. Hope that helps.

I mean, I like people falling on their asses as much as the next guy.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure you do, as long as they're eating fried chicken and watermelon.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Riley: Grandad, can you take us into the city tomorrow to watch the R. Kelly trial?
Grandad: Hell no, but you can walk.
Riley: It's 40 miles!
Grandad: All the money I spent on them damn Nikes, you better just do it.

baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i think "minstrel show" is the new "hitler"

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Some part of me wants to say, "Fuck you, Android," but for the life of me, I can't imagine why people bother.

"I'm sure you do, as long as they're eating fried chicken and watermelon."

That's not just beneath you, it's beneath this whole damn board.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(I hope that's an xpost!)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i've never tried to eat watermelon and walk at the same time, sounds dangerous.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure it's dangerous, but you should see the children laugh!

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not at all about "Flavor of Love", either, but I don't think you can blithely seperate the work produced from the people producing it; if someone white had produced "Trapped In The Closet", people would be comparing to to "Soul Plane" rather than trumpeting its comedic genius.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Android OTM.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe we can all just settle our differences over a nice communal viewing of the Oscar-winning film "Crash".

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

also I am eagerly awaiting Scott Stapp's 12-part musical "Trapped on the Cross"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

if someone white had produced "Trapped In The Closet", people would be comparing to to "Soul Plane" rather than trumpeting its comedic genius.

just curious then, why is Trapped In The Closet trumpeted for its comic genius and not Soul Plane? I assume you think both are minstrel shows.

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

did anybody even see Soul Plane?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Matt Cibula loved it. Somebody somewhere described John Witherspoon as a blind man fingering a mashed potato (believing it to be pussy) and it's the only reason I want to see it at all).

da croupier (da croupier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan, what black stereotypes are TITC trading in on? And how are these stereotypes anywhere near as egregious as those in Soul Plane? You lost me here.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I think anyone who thinks the popularity of this among white people is not in some way based upon R Kelly's race & the history of race in this country is fooling themselves. I think its debateable the degree to which this is true, here on ILM and in the world at large, but in my anecdotal experience the 'degree to which this is true' could justify someone calling it a 'minstrel show.' I think its a mistake though to read calling it a 'minstrel show' as some sort of nuanced scholarly deconstruction of THE PHENOMENA OF R KELLY'S CLOSET or something.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ dan, put down the internet and walk away for a while. even when you're right you can be really hard to agree with.

m@p (plosive), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej, I asked that because Dan's previous posts seemed to indicate that TITC is minstrelsy because of the content, regardless of whether R. Kelly (or even any black person) is involved or not. I'm merely interested in what causes him to think this. And Dan is smarter than your last sentence gives him credit for.

Also, shouldn't blame for any irono-condescening white people TITC luv be placed at the feet of the irono-condescending white people, rather than R. Kelly?

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

My statement wasn't made directly in response to yr post - just sort of trying to get a hold on the way I see people arguing. My last sentence wasn't an attack on dan but a defense of him - the mistake is on the part of people treating dan's statement as anything more than a gut reaction to a pop culture phenomenon that seems to have some offensive aspects (primarily in how its received) (the only thing offensive to me about Kells performance in itself is that its boring)

I'm not blaming R Kelly and I don't know that Dan neccessarily is either (or at any rate, that Dan is blaming R Kelly MORE than the white people who propagate that shit) but I'm not going to answer for him.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej:

That's it exactly. I hate the way the phrase "minstrel show” is being casually thrown around.

I don't see any intentional mockery of blackness in TITC. It's buffoonish, sure, and people are definitely responding to that. But it's also really fucking bizarre in a way that has nothing to do with race.

Maybe some white people ARE getting crypto-racist laffs out of it. I dunno. But that doesn't make it a damn minstrel show.

It isn't fair to bring that kind of language into it.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i donno i see what he's getting at

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is it not fair to?

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

It isn't fair to TITC or to R. Kelly. Calling these videos a minstrel show implies that there is something shameful about them. That phrase simply damns the whole project, when the only real objection here seems to be that white people may be laughing for the wrong reasons (darn them).

I thought that was yr. point above.

Anyway, "minstrel show" really is similar to "Hitler", as Cheesesteak deliciously pointed out above. It's too loaded to be useful in a debate. It distorts and unbalances things.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Calling these videos a minstrel show implies that there is something shameful about them.

There's something sticky in here that I can't quite parse (no sarcasm).

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Beales on the dinero. (Although I, not to be all high/mighty, am completely guilty of calling things minstrelsy.)

Deej, I realize that was a gut reaction on Dan's part, but there's no reason why the convictions behind that impulse shouldn't be explored.

(xpost)

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

haha this is like the whisper song debate.


Calling these videos a minstrel show implies that there is something shameful about them.
...at your own self-revealing risk

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't quite figure out what exactly that's revealing, though, deej.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link

commas at my own risk.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I get you, deej, but I'm just not gonna pretend to be THAT squeaky clean about it. Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I think American culture - both black and white - really does attach a measure of shame to the idea of the minstrel show, and I'm not worried that simply admitting it is gonna "reveal" too much about my own impure thoughts.

As long as we're talking about this, I'm amazed that the Blowfly thread escaped this kind of breakdown. His cachet among white folks seems WAAAAAY more suspicious to me...

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Its revealing his (mis) interpretations of 'minstrel show.' He sees it as 'nebulous damning criticism.'

This is silly. Everyone gets so defensive when someone mentions that word. Its like, 'must...find...non...racist...footing.' "I'm not a racist, thats whats so insane about this." etc

I don't see why the audience's reaction isn't a legitimate part of a critique of an artist/piece of art. They're not seperate - or rather, they're not seperate when you're talking 'minstrelsy'. I can't really argue Dan's perspective because he didn't elucidate much beyond it but to me its entirely reasonable to be critical of R Kelly or the song because of the way that song is received. And incidently, "minstrel show" is about calling on a certain tradition that is tied in with racism. So its a pretty broad descriptor and people seem to respond to what they ASSUME he's saying. Welcome to america etc

Still, at this pt. TITC is bad and boring.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, I'm not sure I want to get into this debate, but I don't understand why race even figures into it. One of the main reasons why I love it is that the melodrama is very American soap opera. It's neither black nor white specific, but following a genre with certain tropes, and putting that to music which is actually, in my eyes, genuinely good (it is simple, well-formulated and repetitive and the lyrical absurdities are heightened by this).

One of the things said upthread was that people are pointing and laughing, saying Kelly is being 'unintentionally funny', and that this too is patronising. Neither my friends nor I know whether he knows what he's doing, but we debate it, and I really don't think that the people who claim it to be accidental are undermining the man whatsoever (whether he deserves to be undermined personally is a different issue).

Essentially, I may be missing something as a Britisher - some of the arguments seem to have revolved around US issues that I have no conception of - but the point is that this production is just great; the music works, the plot is hilarious and engaging, and I can't see one reason for people to not like it.

emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you for saving this thread, emil.y.

Exit, stage left...

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

what if what he is doing is completely inanely repetitive? does it matter then if he "knows what he is doing" or not?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

As the semi-rural-dwelling parochial white English guy who revived this thread, I'm much more bothered by the fact that R Kelly appears to be a raving lunatic than the fact that he's black.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Ahh, nü-ILM is bracing itself nicely for the second season...

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

needs comparison w. 'apocalypto' in ref 'does he know what he's doing'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The first... six? (I don't remember how many I watched before I gave up) episodes of "Trapped in the Closet" all revolve around the common theme of cheating black people, some of whom apparently are criminals, waving guns at each other. I, personally, find the entire thing pitiful. I do not like the way it presents its chosen imagery; there are plenty of ways that one can entertain using non-flattering portrayals of people but the ham-fisted "I'MMA GET MY GAT"/"BABY BABY WAIT"/"CALM DOWN, NIGGA"/"HAHA NOW I GOT MY GAT"/"BABY BABY WAIT"/"OOH I'S SHOT" bullshit throughout the first six episodes is not something I want to see, particularly not over that insidiously queasy beat.

I called it a minstrel show because, in my opinion, the entire thing is playing up to and pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!" As I said earlier, you can go ahead and watch that if you want to but, personally, I think it's some bullshit that cannot be divorced from some extremely ugly racial overtones.

FIN

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm, I can see what Dan is getting at, but OTOH I'm not really sure all the stereotypes mentionned constitute the attraction of TITC. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but the simple idea of a soap opera set to music and released in installments on MTV is pretty unique. The story itself is pretty secondary IMO.

pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!"

Yeah maybe. Hard to say. I'm drawn to R. Kelly because he seems to combine a very successful craftmanship, churning out strings of brilliant singles, as well as a sense of experimentation quite different from what's expected in the genre he's working in. I loved R. Kelly before TITC and I probably don't need to hear it again, but I still think it's pretty cool of him to try out stuff like that (and that he dresses up as Zorro for award shows).

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

It's opera, or at least operetta, with modern music and setting. The story isn't far from "Cosi Fan Tutti", and to me it seems a rather clever use of tropes and stereotypes in the long-standing tradition of those art forms. I can understand the "minstralsy" take in that it is using some particular racial stereotypes in its presentation, but that can also be seen as updating the racial stereotypes prevalent in opera/operetta. I think it is how one chooses to view it - I don't see it as any crazier than the scenarios presented by Gilbert & Sullivan or Mozart or Shakespeare. I find it amusing more for the novelty of that style in the modern era than the "R. so crazy!" thing.

EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I would be more sympathetic to that argument if I thought "Trapped in the Closet" was clever.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not quite up there with Pirates of Penzance though, is it?

x-post; and yes, I think that's part of the thing too. TITC does seem extraordinarily dumb, and the audaciousness of it's dumbness is what made me revive the thread. There's a midget in a cupboard having an affair with a policeman's wife?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

classic opera trope.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it okay for black people to make fun of and/or play with stereotypical exaggerations of black culture? Even if they know there are (shhh!) white people watching?

Yes. And it's no big deal.

Plus, R. Kelly genuinely does seem to be one crazy ... ummm, R&B celebrity. This makes his "I'm so craaaaaazy!" schtick a lot easier to swallow.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for solidifying my point, Adam! Much luv.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

nicely done, a-dogg.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's fair to say that "Trapped In The Closet" is the most punk recording of the 21st century.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

R Kelly's not mental because he had a midget in a closet having an affair with a policeman's wife in a 12-part hip-hopera (if the ludicrous humour of that isn't apparent to him then he might be mental, but the ludicrous humour of that simply CAN'T be not apparent to him, surely); he's mental because he videos himself pissing on the underage nieces of his musical collaborators and marries 14 year-olds and gives three albums the same name, and stuff.

Who is Adam Beales?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"R.Kelly's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy RnB-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the early 00's. People fought and died so our generation could listen to something better. "

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is Adam Beales?

Hearing that in my head a la Mike Jones is not helping my sanity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Ye gods, when did everyone get so touchy?

R. Kelly is obviously at least kinda/sorta crazy --the craziness being obvious for the reasons Mr. Sick Mouthy mentions above, among others. And his material is (again, obviously) rooted in a frankly stereotypical vision of black culture and the entertainer's role in that culture. Oh, and he's black. Am I allowed to admit that I noticed that?

So what? The appeal to his work as a whole is the craftsmanship, the pop genius, the genuine humor, the controversy, the lunacy and (yes, to some extent) the total obliviousness. It's universal.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a minute, didn't somebody save this thread a while back? What happened?

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Adam now hammering home Dan's point, speaking of 'total obliviousness'

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a minute, didn't somebody save this thread a while back? What happened?

http://pajamasmedia.com/images/2006/02/Fingerpoint.jpg

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Kelly urinated on an underage girl or sold 36 million albums or made TITC by accident, Adam.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"I don't think Kelly urinated on an underage girl or sold 36 million albums or made TITC by accident, Adam."

Aaargh. I'm not saying that.

I am saying that it's reasonable to suggest that Kelly's not totally in control of his persona. If you don't think he comes off at least a little bit messed-up in a deep-down, genuine sense, that's cool. I'm not sure either way, but I think it's reasonable to have doubts about who he is and what he imagines he's up to.

And even if you read it as ENTIRELY self-aware meta-comedy, TITC is pretty blatantly chowderheaded. Again, that's fine. Recognizing that something is kinda dumb shouldn't prevent you from enjoying it.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Urinating on an underage girl = insanity, perhaps worse
Selling 36 million albums = "craftsmanship, pop genius, genuine humor"
Making TITC = goofy pop novelty/vanity project

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

if average white dudez think R. Kelly is crazy, it probably more due to that Dave Chappelle pee on you skit than TITC...i know for sure that's the first time a lot of people i know even knew who R. Kelly was.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

srsly? never heard 'she's got that vibe'? 'i believe i can fly'?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess its because i live where i do but everyone knows about R Kelly here.

We had to sing "I Believe I Can Fly" at 8th grade graduation

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

a lot of people i work with never listen to pop radio or watch mtv....they might've heard "i believe i can fly" but that would be the only one, just cuz it was on space jam.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

space jam was a minstrel show

max (maxreax), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey baby won't you be my dog, and I can be your tree, and you can pee on me.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

For the record, I think that Dave Chappelle thing is fucking hysterical.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Who's Dave Chapelle? is he the guy Bauer capped in the head in series 3 at 7am?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Trapped In the Closet:Music::This Thread:ILX

Makes you thirst for some New Critics to come along and tell us to judge the work completely on the basis of the text, and ignore the bloody artist.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not my job to be rock critic.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

IT IS NOW

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm a conscientious objector!

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Would that I had been so wise.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Makes you thirst for some New Critics to come along and tell us to judge the work completely on the basis of the text, and ignore the bloody artist.

...

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just seen it, and I already want to watch it again. It is amazing. I can honestly say I have no idea what the hell it is. I liked the music, too. Plus it had Omar.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I also knew it was genius when he pulled out his beretta.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

...which is not a beretta, but a colt. another nice detail.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...

Um, so I just saw a commercial on IFC "10 brand new chapters on DVD in stores August 21st" and they're playing it on the channel on the 13th.

http://ifc.com/static/sections/kelly/trapped.html

marmotwolof, Sunday, 5 August 2007 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

lol this thread

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

space jam was a minstrel show
-- max (maxreax), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:43 (8 months ago) Link

lolol

Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I still stand by my initial excitement over the first 5 chapters. I only got halfway through those shitty new chapters released this year, though.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

The second set of chapters were so, so, so awful

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

REDEMPTION

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

R. Kelly was like "if Dan's gonna call this a minstrel show, then I'm gonna give him a motherfuckin minstrel show."

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

All that was missing was Twan getting caught in the chicken coop

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

lololololololololololololololololololololololol

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

(ps I have been drinking)

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Soon playing at the Cinematheque Francaise:

http://tinyurl.com/2y2996

amateurist, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, what if Scott Stapp DID make something like TITC, and a lot of black people dug it because of the "juxtapositions of white stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs"?

rip adam beales

and what, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link

the cinemathèque thing is insane

baaderonixx, Friday, 4 January 2008 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I just want the audio of chapters 6 through as many more as I can get (I have TP.3). Is the audio for all the chapters packaged together in some fashion, preferably CD?

(this thread is bonkers/funny:
R. Kelly was like "if Dan's gonna call this a minstrel show, then I'm gonna give him a motherfuckin minstrel show."

-- da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:36 (5 months ago) Link)

earinfections, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 03:48 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Sure, if a white guy made TITC shot for shot, line for line, it'd be racist. Blackface. Appalling. I didn't think you were suggesting anything so obvious.

But if a white person of similar infamy made a similarly plotted, similarly brilliant/retarded film, it would be received in precisely the same way. It would reflect white culture instead of black culture of course, but the basic dynamic would be the same. People of all sorts would adore it in a condescendingly ironic fashion.

I mean, what if Scott Stapp DID make something like TITC, and a lot of black people dug it because of the "juxtapositions of white stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs"?

So what? Comedy = stereotypes + stereotypes punctured. Big deal. White guilt about what's okay or not okay to laugh at is retarded. Every culture in the world thinks other cultures are funny to the extent they don't think they're evil.

Therefore, thinking other cultures are funny is a GOOD THING. Or at least it can be...

-- Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:03 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Sunday, 6 July 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Stapped in the Closet

J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 July 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Pye Poudre morelike Pye PUD-re

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Sunday, 6 July 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

my choice for worst single of the 00s

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 27 June 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link

wasn't a single?

Humbert Humberto Suazo (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 27 June 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Then he continues to rough up the midget as if the midget was under attack.

da croupier, Sunday, 27 June 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Twenty new episodes coming the day after Thanksgiving:

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/10/15/r-kelly-on-his-single-ladies-tour-bedroom-ballads-and-the-future-of-trapped/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

Are you working on another installment of Trapped In The Closet?

We just shot 20 chapters. They’ll be coming out the day after Thanksgiving. Trapped in the Closet is forever. I’ve got like a hundred chapters to come.

Forever?

It’s forever.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

a hundred more chapters, thanks R!

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, what if Scott Stapp DID make something like TITC, and a lot of black people dug it because of the "juxtapositions of white stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs"?

Would be an easy #1 on the Contemporary Christian charts.

pretty even gender split (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

I really really really wish this dude would just go away

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

I like Love Letter and consider him a great singer and U Saved Me is tremendous but that was a good minute back and yeah it's kind of sad this whole business

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

R. Kelly is a gigantic walking "stay in school, kids" ad

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

what do you mean DJP?

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

I mean he's a painfully ignorant buffoon who continually embarrasses himself and, if he'd maybe not dropped out of school in junior high and had learned how to read, there's a possibility he wouldn't be spending his talent on outright bullshit like this.

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

i'm half-surprised more are coming considering the relative lack of acclaim/attention for the second batch (shake your head at the whole deal if you want, but there was infinitely more in the narrative/format to be fascinated by in the first bunch), but then they're probably pretty cheap to make.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

millions of people enjoy his music and he's made a zillions dollars; I'd say he did pretty well for a dropout

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

ya

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

really not looking forward to the revival of "trapped in the closet" culture tho

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

has there been any word on how it will be released? IFC? Vevo? DVD?

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link

always weird when people break out the "he's successful, so it must be awesome to be him whatever else might be true about him personally" deal

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link

well, that's as presumptive as saying that his life would be better had he stayed in school

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

The second batch seemed forced and hackneyed, where the first seemed inventive and engagingly odd. I have little hope for any continuation.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

"his life" vs "his contributions to art"

but then again, Tyler Perry stayed in school and look at him

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

always weird when people break out the "he's successful, so it must be awesome to be him whatever else might be true about him personally" deal

as a "stay in school" cautionary tale? are high school dropouts really worried that they may one day turn into R. Kelly? "this guy is a painfully ignorant buffoon" sounds like something a 30 year old college grad who doesn't like R. Kelly would say

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

well that more or less describes DJP tbf

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

yeah 30, let's keep that

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

i've enjoyed plenty of r. kelly's music - he's got a commanding voice, good hooks, and a shameless taste for the absurd. but i don't think it's hard to see how someone could find him too embarrassing and tragic to do likewise.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZxsMg3ROhY
Alastaire Kelly

(alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link

bridget reminds me of janice soprano

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link

the first five chapters of this are legit classic. the rest a bit less so

it just might not jive with you (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

and by "a bit" i mean "a lot," yet i still kinda wanna watch these new ones even if i could barely finish the later ones

it just might not jive with you (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

i think the whole thing was starting to come off the rails even by chapter 4 or 5, but it was a fun few weeks there

The Doc Morbama (some dude), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link

i transcribed the lorem ipsum from his little book.

"Textual texting for verbose placement of words. Blah blaeh blah. Crazy ass shit. In a series of uncommon events that involved several good men and women from the greater chicagoland area, the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Stream of consciousness. Typing. Man, I could really use a good sandwich right now. Or some spaghetti. That shit that Joey was eating in chapter 21 looked pretty damn good."

trapped in the closet remains a good time

fennel cartwright, Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link

still got it

(alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 November 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

I read that earlier... this is absolutely fucking insane.

Matt DC, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link

Does the same link need to be pasted on every R.Kelly thread tho

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link

I assume it is for the sake of removing any possible shred of doubt people might have about how fucked up R. Kelly is

I mean, if this is how some R. Kelly fans think:

“In the back of our minds, we were thinking (my daughter) could be around him if I was with her,” J. said. “It didn’t really hit home. Even with the Aaliyah situation, now that I think about it, ‘Age Ain’t Nothing But a Number’ ... but you don’t think about that. You grew up with the song, and you like the song.”

then maybe they need to be spoonfed this info

korla pundit (crüt), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link

I have actual work I need to get done and I think the point (which I have been making on this board in some fashion over the past 17 years) has been made.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link

I think it's good that no R. Kelly thread activity is going to be able to go on credibly unaware of this.

albvivertine, Monday, 17 July 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link


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