the Shiina Ringo thread

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ok who's with me?

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I am even though I can never ever remember any album or song titles.

adam (adam), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

That first track of that one album bangs.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

the first track is 'Shuukyou' and the one album is Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana, which translates to 'chlorine, semen, chestnut flower', it sold half a million copies in japan and was considered a commercial disappointment because she usually goes multi-platinum.

my favorite pop album of this decade so far by a wide margin.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Yo that's the one I'm talking about.

adam (adam), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I think "Honnou" (which translates as "instinct") from 2000 was a brilliant single, and has some truly amazing instrumental production. Her first album, Muzai Moritorium, had some good stuff but was a tad too Alanis Morissette-influenced. I have a vague recollection of being underwhelmed by Ze-Chyou Syuu, but it's been a couple years since last I listened. Haven't heard Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana.

jdconsidine, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm with you (from that other thread that you started(?!))

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

you're right about the Alanis influence on the first album, especially when she sings in english. there's only one song I really love from the first album: 'Tsumiki Asobi'. Ze-Chyou Syuu is a bizarre 3 disc set of 3" singles, odds and ends, nothing much (I like two songs).

she reinvented herself completely for Kuruki. it's like trying to compare The Kick Inside to The Dreaming.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link

i think the alanis influence holds formally (and even not completely there) but the tones and modes of the two are quite different. shiina was always sort of irreverent, with a slight hand in tricked out studio-as-instrument stuff or oddball image/sound appropriations, never too 'earthy' of a rock auteur figure. her new tokyo jihen project is supposedly just settling into 'playing song with a good band' but its still quite chock-full of little sonic gizmos/surprises.

milton have you heard the double cover song album? it's stylistically all over the map, even for her... it wasn't that much of a leap to hear kuruki turn out how it did at the time, like she drew in all the incompatible tangents and made it messily/wonderfully work.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

the opening of 'Kokode Kiss Shite' on the first album is the closest she gets to Alanis.

I heard KSK and worked backwards; her second album Shoso Strip is my 2nd favorite. Each of her records were progressively further out, so KSK isn't really a reinvention, it was a straight line but not the ones her mainstream fans imagined.

I wasn't sold on her double cover album, the production was slightly more mainstream jpop, but the song selection was beautifully all over the place, singing in french/german/english/japanese, and there are a couple songs I really love. 'Haiiro no hitomi' is great.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link

there was this slightly ominous interview i read somewhere re: how being a large solo artist took a large toll on her, how she always wanted to settle into a good band but got stretched out as this massive persona. it makes me wonder if the "further out" lineage was aligned with some kind of major-label mental neurosis steadily closing in. her last video showed her various incarnations from all of her prior videos, ending with a B&W 'naked' shot of her, like she was cleansed of all that. then she had the mole above the side of her lip surgically removed as some physical manifestation of the theme.

xcixxorx, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe it was pre-cancerous!

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link

haha, the video actually has a CGi mole flying around and she named her concert DVD "electric mole".

xcixxorx, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

that's the video for Ringo No Uta, the followup EP to KSK -- 3 track CD / DVD with the video. the last song is a collage containing a brief sample of almost every song she's ever recorded.

it was apparently her final solo release, the concept of which is a mini-career retrospective. she's since joined the band Tokyo Jihen (same band she toured KSK with, documented on the Electric Mole DVD, live at Budokan. The album doesn't translate to stadium rock too well, I don't like these live versions -- though there is a very very strange short film with Ringo backstage after the show at the end)

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Has she recorded anything recently? Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana is really a stunning album, my favorite of this decade so far and I'd really like to hear more from her solo artist or not.

Ryan WS (fffv), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Tokyo Jihen really grew on me after being a bit underwhelmed at first. i love all her stuff really. i even love that corny song she does with Utada on the cover album.

only problem with Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana is that it is too short. easily one of my favorite pop albums ever.

ryan (ryan), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

there is a sort of chaotic aspect to much of her music that i think was missing a bit from Karuki, so it's nice to see it come back with TJ

ryan (ryan), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

TJ definitely brings the rock side of things back. The whole album is sleazy and sloppy and it's the most overcompressed CD I've ever heard in my life, purposefully brittle and shallow. Very commercial by jpop standards.

'Sounan' is one of the best things she's ever done, and 'Laugh At Facts' is cool. Overall TJ leaves me a little cold but in context as a followup to her weirdest record it's an interesting move.

The things I like about her:
- amazing integration of traditional asian instruments in a rock context (something most jpop almost never does; it's against the rules, in pursuit of perfect emulative form)
- awareness of the japanese underground, her records are studio polished but unlike other jpop actually seem to have absorbed things like melt banana, otomo, merzbow (the very end of KSK sounds like Ground Zero's 'Consume Red')
- demented, extremely aggressive lyrics. no submission & brutal honesty that's completely absent in most other jpop

the first two have gone missing in TJ but the lyrics I've seen translated indicate that she's still raving.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link

stiff writing in parts but solidly reasoned academic white paper:

http://www.dyske.com/index.php?view_id=848

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

id be careful posing an antagonistic thing between her to Jpop, she's too anomalous. in this case that often does mean more interesting but its an entirely different set of terms despite the major label cash. and w/ plus tech squeeze box being reviewed by the wire, a lot of similarly-bananas (+mainstream) jpop could ostensibly get a blurb beside otomo yoshihide in terms of "underground edge" or whathaveyou.

xcixxorx, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link

You're right; although I just listed three oppositional qualities, the reason why she's so interesting is that she is so solidly Jpop, operating from within, she obviously identifies comfortably. An interview for TJ says she aspires to make the best in 'traditional japanese pop'; she _is_ traditional, she (and her bassist/producer Seiji Kameda) are just light years ahead.

Name more bananas mainstream Jpop! When I heard KSK I started looking for the recent good stuff...

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

cant say i like that article. seems to be just another plea for avant garde rock saviors except through the cultural looking glass. by bananas jpop i mean stuff gwen stefani was excited about, not noise solos. W's second album, uh, "second W" for instance.

xcixxorx, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

One of the more bizarre JPOP things I ever heard was a collaboration between Chara and Yuki (the Yuki from Judy and Mary) called "Ai no Hi Mitu Oranji" ("Loves Fire Three Oranges"). Full of Chamberlain gingerbread, breakbeats, steel drums and orchestral sweetening and topped by chirpy, impassioned singing. Definitely further out than Chara's usual; I've not heard enough of Yuki's solo stuff to know where to rank it in her ouevre.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard the new Yuki album?

jdconsidine, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I've heard the new Yuki album, but it didn't strike me very much. I need to listen again.

Hm, if you say that Chara/Yuki album has steel drums then I need to check that out as soon as possible.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, not an album. "Ai no Hi.." is a single. A five-incher, mind, but a single nonetheless.

jdconsidine, Friday, 18 March 2005 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link

there's an mp3 of 'shuukyou' here (accompanied by some gushing prose and some early pictures of ringo in cute-mode, as well as a recent one in stabbed-mode

& posted 'ringo catalog' to the ilmxor blog (with multiple thanks to jody for hosting the file).

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 24 March 2005 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Fuck You

mista faka, Friday, 23 September 2005 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
well then

Tokyo Incidents blog has translated list of every sample in 'Ringo Catalog'. I'm very impressed, and hadn't noticed that she mostly moves through the samples in chronological order.
http://www.thetokyoincidents.com/archives/2006/01/ringo_catalog_b.html#more

there's a new album out next week. the band's new logo uses romanji, they're now officially 'Tokyo Incidents', and this single's 98% sung in english. and from the few songs I've heard, they've carefully removed every last bit of strangeness from the music; this comes across as a very mannered attempt to be nothing more than a slicked out, classy but fun pop band. I don't know, but we'll see.

new PV for tokyo jihen's 'kenka joutou', perhaps not the most striking first video impression (that'd be 'ringo no uta').
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=0jbiHVQpbYc

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link

really sad to hear that. hope it's good.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:09 (fifteen years ago) link

me too

for anyone who didn't hear 'sounan (sickness)' from the first TJ album, here it is... the album itself may have been a slight letdown but this song is one of her best. serpentine melody, just when you're settling in to the 'normal' production, merzbow levels of distortion are _quietly_ added across the drums just to mess with your head. and the final drum & guitar showdown is pure fire.

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2MUDULM6U0DOM1IAEG7I79MXEA

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 19 January 2006 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link

so I've listened to the new album Adult twice.

well it's definitely true I wouldn't be giving this album much of a chance if it wasn't coming from the same person who'd done Chlorine, Semen, Chestnut Flower. if you know that it did, this becomes a very strange album entirely because you know just how much she's restraining herself. It's like she's decidedly choosing to be Happy now, if only for to protect her own health. And this is pretty fun stuff, well crafted & the group is so tight, it's hard for this not to grow on me -- but only in context with CSC. Which is an album I still can't seem to stop listening to.

The production is even more reigned in this time, the brash distortion, compression & noise of their first record is gone, as are the screaming fuzzboxed vocals. Some weird soundscapes & transitions, but everything's under control.

'Kenka Joutou' is a catchy song, I'm into it. In english and everything, it could be a hit if the label pushed it in the states.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

so that this isn't a one-person thread.....

i agree the album is mixed, too many "core ringo-fundamental" moments (which should be a paradox), laurel-resting and so on. the weird transitions are nice but then again CSC was like an entire body of continuous transition. you can stick a drum and bass coda on a complacent samba thing or whatever but it's ultimately just a mere trace.

that said, i like the increased use of jazz as a rhythmic element & i think the single is the best thing she's been involved w/ since her solo career. it's actually when the band members are on even grounding that things work for me (sorta what the shuraba video was implying). when the spotlight inevitably catches up, you get another ballad or lounge number that burns too slow too familiar.

)alex(, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

hey xcixxorx

I definitely like how live they sound as a band, the sections where they just get to dig into their parts and cook sound great. They're such great musicians, the outros on a few of these songs are the parts where I get into it the most.

even if I'm mixed on it, I'm sad that I forgot to bring this to work today.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
ok I didn't see this coming, but I'm listening to adult about every other night now. that never happened with their debut album.

I'm still a little taken aback that I like this record, I never would have given it a chance if it were from anyone else. I don't like impeccably slicked out cabaret pop jazz, and that's the only real way to describe this, but they nailed what they were going for so beautifully that I just kind of have to hand it to them, this is a great album.

I was planning on buying the regular edition but Amoeba had the deluxe, and I'm glad I got it, the art design on the packaging is perfect, the fake ads for cologne -- is this irony? No, it's accurate, this music hides on its own beautiful surface.

the shiina videos are all on youtube now. most of them low-resolution, but 'meisai', 'identity' & 'tsumiki asobi', 'gibbs' are worth seeing, and her best videos 'ringo no uta' versions 1 & 2 are both hi-resolution.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana is killin' it hard right now. I'm also loving the live version of SDP's 'Konya Ha Boogie Back' she does with the crew and Utada.

BARMS, Friday, 17 February 2006 10:59 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
ok I love Adult. can't stop listening to it. it's as good as Shoso Strip, it just takes longer to open up. initial complaints about the 'traditional' production and the lack of noise or asian instruments have evaporated.

a friend of mine who's obsessed with hollywood musicals, bob fosse productions etc. got this record the first time -- the idea of someone making a modern record in this style that isn't a museum piece completely blew her away.

KZK remains the most overwhelming, but a major reason why she hasn't caught on here yet is that she's moving too fast for critics to get a bead on.

in the pantheon of uncompromising, eccentric songwriters that really oversee their own production, 70's = joni mitchell, 80's = kate bush, 90's = bjork perhaps, 00's = shiina ringo, she's that huge

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link

translations:

http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/ringo/souretsu.html

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Adult is my favorite album of the year so far. Somehow, though, I never got into Shiina's solo albums. I'll check them out again, since I'm so taken with this one.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:24 (fifteen years ago) link

on her current stadium tour she's opening with Souretsu (final track on KZK) with a chorus of 100 children

The Feb.19th, 2006 [DOMESTIC! Virgin Line] concert was recorded and will be broadcast on SkyPerfectTV channel 721 (FujiTV 721) on March 25, from 11:00PM - 12:40AM. Don't forget to set your DVRs!

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 March 2006 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Preliminary investigation suggests she is the major pop music figure of this decade, but I've only been listening to her for--what?--a week, and then only to online files. But I'll be buying some CDs soon enough.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link

love her. i really need to get off my ass and get Adult.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 02:42 (fifteen years ago) link

'Yattsuke Shigoto' took me over a few weeks back. It's the most fitting song for travelling to work. 'Benkai Debussy' is ROCK.

Interestingly, she comes across as more of a female Cornelius than Takako Minekawa did.

BARMS, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 07:11 (fifteen years ago) link

>the major pop music figure of this decade

it's reassuring to hear anyone else say this, I think she's peerless.

if you've got the albums and want to start in on the DVDs, I'd recommend Baishou Ecstasy -- a 60 minute concert film where her performance in one auditorium is broadcast live by satelite to five other completely full theatres. the songs from KZK are redone as acoustic jazz cabaret songs by a 30 piece big band orchestra, and the songs just work -- she opens with an Edith Piaf cover, and like most of her concert films there's an extremely unsettling narrative twist at the end

I'm not as into the Electric Mole, which is Tokyo Jihen live at Budokan playing slicked out TJ versions of the KZK songs, though the Lynchian short film interludes are _really_ bizarre this time and there's a version of "Stem" that starts like Black Sabbath, plateaus like the Carpenters and ends exactly the same way as Sachiko M's sinewave solo on Ground-zero's Last-Concert album.

The videos are compiled on the Seiteki Healing series, volume three has the KZK clips.

http://www.everlasting-dream.net/ringo/ is my favorite fan site.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

it's reassuring to hear anyone else say this

Of course, I'm not sure how much comfort it should be coming from a not very popcentric* person like me, but it might even be true (or plausible, or whatever truth-like value you prefer).

I don't own anything yet, myself, but once I've moved into my new apartment, and maybe after I wait a month or two to deal with some other necessary purchases, then I will at least pick up Adult and Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana.

*though hopefully not anti-pop.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Tokyo Jihen - Shuraba, live February 19, 2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2IsGyE1Ns&search=tokyo%20jihen

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link

a female Cornelius

OK, now I am even more intrigued, although I also trust Milton's rave reviews. I was looking this stuff up on eBay the other day, seems that these CDs are reasonably available. I'll have to investigate.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link

milton, that youtube video has me very intrigued.

so is it better to start with shiina ringo solo or with tokyo incident? or does it really matter?

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link

"Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana" is arguably the masterpiece, dazzling arrangements, 4D sculpture production, possibly the peak of anything she's ever been involved w/. but...

I think Shiina made her name (in Japan) during the "Shouso Strip" period culminating w/ very popular nurse cosplay-parody video for 'Honnou'. I think there's the most tension there between charting rock star and widening weirdness palette.

It's also the period when most of her Cindy Shermanesque personas cropped up, sort of the dominant theme of her solo career. Before switching to T. Jihen there was 1) japanese ghost persona of 3rd & final album - death, 2) final song built entirely out of samples from her back catalog (link still above), & 3) a final video which chronologically travels through all her previous video roles.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DQBWmLfxwxs&search=shiina%20ringo%20uta

)alex(, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks for the tips. i'll check her out further.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I misposted upthread, that's 'Souretsu' live, not 'Shuraba'. it's a very different version of the final song on KZK.

imagine going to a stadium show and having that be the opening song.

what alex said. I like the Cindy Sherman reference, the song's lyrics are about an apple tree that longs to be human but settles for giving away her fruit at the end of each season -- sung by a person who keeps shifting through violently different personas, it's almost painful.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

This is incredible (live video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyf9M7mt_RY&search=tokyo%20jihen

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

She makes me want to rock again.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

My bank won't authorize payment to cdjapan, or they won't accept my card or something. This is very frustrating. I'll have to call my bank this week.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like there is a big gap in my CD collection where Shiina Ringo CDs should be. All I want to put on right now are the CDs that belong there, and I can't.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you think some of the shots in Yamini Furu Ame are supposed to be reminiscent of Hammershoi's paintings (or is there just a similar mood)?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the apple-headed cartoon audience in "Ringo no Uta."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

ah great stuff. when i was in japan last summer i bought like 10 of her DVDs.

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

She has ten DVDs? That's a bit scarey, financially.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, I don't generally do celebrity crushes, but her skin always looks fantastic.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

it's way too easy to crush out on her.

http://www.everlasting-dream.net/ringo/video.htm

ryan, do you have "Hatsuiku Status" (green cover, cartoon drawing) and "Gekokujo Xtacy"? I know I want the latter, the former I'm on the fence about. The youtube excerpts from "Dynamite Out" (like the one RS linked to) make me wish I hadn't passed on it.

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

(In one of the bios I read, it said that the only time she used to throw tantrums (or something like that) when she was a child was when she had nobody to play with. I immediately thought, sounds like a libra, which turned out to be the case, fwiw.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

(Wait, no it didn't. She's on the other side of October, a sag. apparently. Duh.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

(It's as if I am determined to completely humiliate myself on this thread.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"Sounan" started to sound like an old familiar song after a couple listens ("Wait, haven't I been hearing this all over the place? No, that's not possible"), yet I don't think I'm being reminded of anything specific. I think the melodic "logic" is so perfect, that the song immediately seems like it's always been there.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

The live "Ringo no Uta" from Dynamite Out ("Dynamite Out" haha) is great! (Okay, I gather it's all great.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

sags are november and december!


I <3 Shoso Strip.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Now I want to go to Japan, several years after my x-friend in Japan with close ties to the Japanese underground music scene gave up on my boring ass (for which I still don't really forgive him--yo, if you are reading this, I don't think our old "friend" Allen Ginsberg was so quick to throw people away for being bogged down in their personal troubles). :(

Anyway, I could still go.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

The way this stuff like "Himitsu FOR DJ" slips and slides through all this urban sophisticate funky jazzy stuff that I am not really crazy about but absolutely love as its handled by Tokyo Jihen. (Sorry there's no verb there.) Sometimes it's really hilarious when you hit these ultra-smooth funk jazz disco passages (like that great little chorus section as she's getting out of the car in the video for "Himitsu For DJ"), but not funny in a way that breaks the spell of the music, not just funny.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 23 April 2006 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep thinking there are comparisons to be made to Roxy Music too, but not sure exactly how to pick that up. There's some similarity in Shiina Ringo's seemingly ambiguous relationship to glamour, half believing in it, but also seeming to see through it. (But that's not too unusual really, is it?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 23 April 2006 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link

the whole hilarious 'sophisticated jpop' imagery works for me, it's hard not to love this

http://shiinaringo.se/pics/Tokyo%20Jihen/jihen1.jpg

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link

That one guitar lick in "Instinct" reminds me a lot of Todd Rundgren (not that that's a good or bad thing, just an observation--probably adds some appeal for me).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"Sounan" (especially this live version) might be my favorite song I've heard for the first time this year. She seems to be gaining so much control in her singing (judging based on comparing older videos with newer ones), testing a more subdued sound at times (like parts of this song).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I find it very difficult to listen to "Sounan" less than three times in a row

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 24 April 2006 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Listen to it? It never stops playinig in my head now. (I still haven't ordered any CDs due to restrictions on my credit card, which I now have to formally ask my bank to lift.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

man i dont even know which DVDs i have. the one where she performs in a kimono is pretty great, and the Tokyo Jihen one as well. most of the rest are music videos.

ok im ordering Adult right now....

ryan (ryan), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"Electric Mole" is the kimono one...

ryan (ryan), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

'Gibbs', dudes.

BARMS, Monday, 24 April 2006 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

That's one of my least favorite SR songs.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Q22: If you could be born again, what would you like to become?
A being that is perfectly lacking consciousness.

http://www.everlasting-dream.net/ringo/specials/patipati99.htm

Yes.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, in this Dynamite Out! performance of "Sounan," Shiina Ringo looks like she has arrived at complete master pop star status. She performs with the confidence of someone who has already taken her place on the pop Parnassus.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:26 (fourteen years ago) link

At the same time, based on watching videos she made over a period a few years, she seems like she is just absorbing things like a sponge all the time, like a young child going through that learning spurt we all go through. Certain things she does seem so studied and yet they also seem so natural (maybe not the first time they appear though?). Does any of this make sense? Despite her formal training in music, there's something very autodidact about her; it's obvious that she has been absorbing, and imitiating, and presumably analyzing (and in fact, it precisely the type of stuff she wouldn't have learned in her formal music education: certain popular singing devices or all sorts of aspects of moving as a performer--I hope we don't lose her to movie acting, or do I? I'd probably go see her films).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Shiina Ringo es la reina.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I really don't do anything any but watch these videos and try to make converts. I haven't felt such a need to evangelize about an artist for a while, I think.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Damn you people that make me buy $45 CDs that I enjoy

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm a victim as well.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

The shop I bought KSK at had a huge sign saying that Copy Control CDs CANNOT BE PLAYED ON PRACTICALLY ANY AUDIO DEVICE but iTunes ripped it just fine. The DRM was just Windows autorun to prevent Windows boxes from reading the CD directly. Whatevs

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I've gotten more play value out of my $30 copies of KZK, Shoso Strip and Adult than most of the discs I've dumped money on in the last five years

I can see the reasons why Virgin hasn't even licensed her records in the States so far -- the english speaking world has low tolerance for pop sung in a different language. When an artist or group is selling out stadiums in Japan, the motivation to start over and slog through a tour of mid-sized clubs is low. And the few times there's been a push, the results have been mixed: Puffy, Dreams Come True, Utada Hikaru (Puffy only got a second chance after their tie-in cartoon show). So why should Virgin take a chance on an iconoclast cult-figure like Shiina...

Except I think it's completely obvious that she's the one with a chance to cross over here, Jpop for people who are usually allergic to Jpop. The sheer number of english fan sites is mindblowing, all in the relative absence of any professional critical support -- everything online is unedited, self-published, and there's a lot of it. She's really got to tour the States, it would be the loudest thing that's happened over here in some time.

http://www.pliink.com/mt/marxy/archives/000346.html

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

the english speaking world has low tolerance for pop sung in a different language

That's for sure (not that it's only true of us). I run into it a lot when I get excited about some new foreign language music.

I would go see her live.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

What do I have to buy to get the studio version of "Ringo No Uta"? Do I have to get the EP?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

(I realize I could just download it. I'm not talking about downloads.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

shiina ringo productions = not to be fucked with, but what if I don't love her voice? it's not a bad voice, mind you, just not something that is holding me still

also, doesn't it seem odd to say ringo is the best j-pop? if anything, she shows how to subvert j-pop, and make it art-rock

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmmm. She uses her voice so many different ways, that I'm not sure I even have a strong sense of what her voice per se sounds like. I think I like, though occasionally I don't like how she uses it.

I would agree that her voice, and also her singing, are not as unimpeachable as her songwriting (and production--if she's involved with that a lot--I don't know).

What do you think of her voice on the Tokyo Jihen Dynamite Out! version of "Sounan"? It doesn't have the littlegirlishness of some pop singers, but also she isn't doing a lot of weird effects (like on her version of "The Lady is a Tramp").

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

well, having just d'ldd, I like the song, and she doesn't sound bad, just not necessarily compelling. maybe I should take more into account her writing or arranging or whatever she is doing here, but as a singer, she seems kind of generic to me. Maybe I'm just wanting her to be Bjork, will have to spend more time

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad she's not Bjork, actually. Not too big on Bjork.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

How about the very Japanese sounding passages in "Kurumaya-san" when her voice kind of goes gnarled? I find that kind of sound pretty compelling. (I'm still feeling the flush of instant fandom, so I can't give up.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

haha Rockist you are ME circa 2004! im very lucky in that i just heard a random mp3 of "kuki" on a blog and liked it so much i hunted down the cd. i think i had everything i could find by her within two weeks.

ryan (ryan), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i like Tokyo Jihen a lot but im still holding out for a return to the style of KZK...

ryan (ryan), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm from the Tokyo Jihen generation of Shiina Ringo fans. Maybe once I've actually heard all of KZK I will agree with you, but I really like Tokyo Jihen's melodic hard rock and smooth funky faux jazz rock or whatever (else) it is they do. I can't afford to buy everything at once, so I'm going to try to wait until June before I order more SR and TJ. (In addition to KZK and Adult, I already have four salsa CDs on the way, fortunately much less expensive.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

doesn't it seem odd to say ringo is the best j-pop? if anything, she shows how to subvert j-pop, and make it art-rock

the only record she's done that's full on art rock is KZK... most of her releases are actually very much within the Jpop continuum, though the most extreme example. that's why I think she's the one that's going to make it here. that, and the fact that she is a mainstream artist in Japan: plays Budokan, stadium tours, a double platinum record, etc.

I did not like Jihen at first, the first record is a mixed bag. But the jump from the first one to Adult is so huge, I don't think we've seen the last of weird-Shiina.

Also, "Kurumaya-san" is a cover of an old Enka hit, so the melody is much more traditionally eastern. That song, though, it's amazing.

about her voice not grabbing you, well that's always an obstacle to listening, though Shiina's voice is one of the best things about the music for me, strung out between studied hit-the-abstract-jazz-note precision and total unhinged dementia. She's got more than a few personas.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Who is/are Enka? I don't know much about j-pop or Japanese popular music in general.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, looks like a type of music?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Enka, & "Kurumaya-san" is a cover of a Hibari Misora song, who I've yet to hear

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Where can Tokyo Jihen's "Kurumaya-san" be found on album or EP? Or can it?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

DVD looks like. So I guess I might as well buy/have bought the DVDs?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm kind of glad the CD version of whatever that song is that I've watched the video for over and over again doesn't have the guitarist rap.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Does that chorus near the end sing "There was a girl. . ." or am I just imagining that?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

On a couple listens to each of KZK and Adult, I don't think they are as far apart as some comments above suggest. There are elements of "slicked out cabaret pop jazz" KZK and there are touches of drum-n-bass and other electronic dance on Adult. They both have an unexpected mix of instruments, as well. I have to admit the production is pretty different, but it's not a surprise that the two albums come from the same mastermind.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 May 2006 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i find her fascinating and am trying to sell others on her.

if you had to pick ONE shiina/jihen song to sell someone on her magic, what would it be?

petra, Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

As usual, I would suggest tailoring the choice to the particular person you want to introduce her to (although I'm not sure how well those guesses actually work in real life, anyway).

Playing a video might speed up the process of winning over a new listener. It worked that way for me in this case, and I'm not usually that big on music videos (but I think she generally has good videos). If you go the video route, "Ringo No Uta" strikes me as a very good starting point. (Isn't this all going to depend on someone's tolerance for a little tweeness or occasional Beatlesesque orchestral segments, or just pleasant melodies.) "Instinct" also seems very immediately catchy to me, but the video will be a plus for some, a minus for others. "Yamini Furu Ame" is catchy, though a friend complained that the video was going to give her nightmares. It seems like fairly mild stuff to me, however. Tokyo Jihen's "Himitsu FOR DJ" was the first one I watched, I think, and I immediately became interested (but what would someone with a high resistance to slicked out cabaret pop jazz funk disco think?).

My pick for most perfect song at the moment is the Dynamite Out! version of Tokyo Jihen doing "Sounan." But it's a little more conventional than some of her other material (basically very melodic classic rock imo).

If none of this works, by them a spicy tuna roll and some iced green tea and then try again.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

for technicolor loud rock, shoso strip
for brilliantly strange, karuki zamen kuri no hana
the slick cabaret pop, adult

but any of those three would probably be enough to get you interested in the others

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

and I would not recommend any of the single/video versions of adult songs for a first exposure. KZK drew me in because of the strange cut-n-splice production and the mix of traditional asian instrumentation and the Japanese noise underground, and that's the only record that has those elements; moving to earlier and then later albums my initial reaction is always 'ohno, don't like this' but the songs always win me over.

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

One song? Poltergeist from karuki zamen kuru no hana (preferably coupled with Doppelganger).

Rockist_Scientist OTM about the Beatlesque orchestrations - Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite was the first thing that came to mind when I first heard Poltergeist.

Karuki zamen kuru no hana was the most immediate album for me, although I think Shosu Strip is more obviously mainstream.

Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Saturday, 6 May 2006 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Incidentally, Milton, your links don't lead to anything but blank screens.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I've actually gone for 'Honnou' and links to the 'Ringo No Uta' and Tokyo Jihen live videos.

petra, Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I meant the last three links, specificially. They work for you?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

(or maybe you weren't talking to me)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep emphasizing the melodic strength of a good portion of Shiina Ringo's songs, but I also think that Tokyo Jihen's rhythm section is extremely supple, which helps a lot.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm a little confused by KZK. The songs themelves (if you can imagine them stripped of the production) are often kind of quotidian, and despite all the talk about the adventurous production, there are stretches where it doesn't strike me as that unusual. Sometimes it just seems like straightforward pop songs with some disruptive elements layered on top. (I need to learn song title so I can be more specific.)

Despite all of this, I still like it a lot, but I can't help wondering if I am not going to like Shoso Strip better overall. I will say that KZK works well as an album, as a whole, so that is probably part of its reputation as well.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Also some of the more electronic sounding tracks remind me a bit of Brazilian electronic dance music (and I don't even know too much about that). Speaking of which, I wonder how Brazilian music obsessives and artists are responding to her?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

And I think maybe the oddness of Adult is not entirely being appreciated. The piano floating over "Yukiguni"? Standard smooth cabaret jazz eh? "Kabuki": channeling Dreaming era Kate Bush cut with generic new wave/punk, funny plunky keyboards. Adult is pretty fantastic.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I do get stuck on one thing sometimes don't I?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

KZK doesnt really get going until the 3rd song or so for me. I usually compare it to abbey road to introduce it to other people. but you're right it's the experience of the album as a "whole" that really puts it over the top for me. it's a cliche, but it works as a sort of journey from one idea to the next rather than self contained songs.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Some good comments on Adult that I only just came across today (sorry if this site has already been linked to):

http://www.thetokyoincidents.com/archives/2006/01/adult_impressio.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

"Souretsu" is quite a send-off. Parts of this track have been killing me, the floating choral (-like) passages, especially.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

One thing the same on both KZK and Adult: attention to detail.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

it's true, I'm still finding little things on those records I've never heard before

almost woke this thread up last night -- I bought that bootlegged Hibari Misora DVD of her NHK special from Barbara's Enka site. Misora's really something, and the original version of "Kurumaya-san" is mindblowing. Planning to transfer the audio from the disc, I'll post an mp3 when I get back.

Enka's very interesting stuff; coming right out of WWII, the instrumentation is straight up big band & western derived, but all the vocal styles sung on top are still pure pentatonic classic japanese vocal lines, dramatic recitationals w/ beautifully ornamented melodies, much more of a striking hybrid than what j-pop has become for the last 15 years or so.

Enka is song of resignation. Resignation must be sweet so that it is endurable.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

on a geek note, here's a screen capture of the waveform from the last split second of KZK

note symmetrical min:sec values of album length

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/Sprad/KZK.png

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

KZK actually becomes less enjoyable after 'Kuki'. Which is a shame, but it lowers the score to 3.5 - 4/5 when it could've been near-perfect.

Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (Barima), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

"Yattsuke Shigoto" makes me want to walk back and forth like a very flamboyantly effeminate gay fashion model. (Is that offensive? I don't mean it to be.)

I would have to agree that "Torikoshi Gurou" is a weak point, although I like "Okonomi de" (which frankly reminds me of one of those 70s Todd Rundgren hits--not exactly, of course).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

And I'm alright with the rest of the album after that, so "Torikoshi Gurou" is acceptable (I'm listening to the album again to remind myself about all of this). It's not as if I hate it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, "Souretsu" is fantastic, but I think I said that already.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Yattsuke Shigoto" is my favorite off that album.

Lingbertt, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the bouncy bass, but all the little flourishes make the song

Lingbertt, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link

The video version takes away 50% of the fun.

BARMS, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Glad I haven't seen it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

the video uses the original rock version of the song, which was the single. one of her frequent tricks is to include a previously released single on the album, but in a confoundingly different version, sort of like Throbbing Gristle including a version of 'United' on D.O.A..

anyway here's the hisari mibora version of 'kurumaya-san', transferred from that TV special -- I doubt the studio version is this dramatic: http://www.sendspace.com/file/d66t45

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link

BARMS OTM.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

the video's not about 'fun' exactly

http://seitekihealing3.tripod.com/1/PDVD_042.JPG

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:56 (fourteen years ago) link

oops

might as well just link the whole site, it's a bizarre html simulation of the 'seiteki healing 3' DVD menu w/ screen captures

http://seitekihealing3.tripod.com/

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Hello, the album version is the fun (lyrics aside).

BARMS, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Shiina Ringo, you are going to be an expensive hobby.

Hisari Mibora's "Kurumaya-san" is great. Any idea when the TV special was recorded? How long did it take for them to get such a workable fusion of western big band music and traditional Japanese music, after WWII? (Was it maybe already in the works, despite the war?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Shiina Ringo ga suki, demo . . . .

There's a lot of orientalist clap trap in this thread . . .

Gandalf Mantooth (Gandalf Mantooth), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a lot of orientalist clap trap in this thread . . .

Like?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sure I've spouted a lot of overgeneralized claptrap, and am still hoping for more knowledgable people to find the thread and balance out my hopelessly american perspective

the earliest Misora on the NHK special seems to date from late 40's/early 50's (all the captions / voiceovers are in japanese). the 'kurumaya-san' segment seems to date from late 60's/early 70's? to set the scene, the song's first verse is staged with her being dropped off by a rickshaw driver outside her house, she pays him; he leaves and she begins the first vocal solo; then instead of going inside she wanders off into her garden and sings the 2nd verse, then she approaches the camera and sings the 2nd solo.

the whole special is good, I can recommend Barbara's Enka site.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

am still hoping for more knowledgable people to find the thread and balance out my hopelessly american perspective

I think you will get your wish eventually. I believe this thread's Google rank is rising.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

the ringo jihen english-speaking fan board has 200 members & close to 5000 posts

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Does anyone know about this Region 2 DVD stuff? My player says it's for Region 1 DVDs. Is there a way to get something like Dynamite Out in that format?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

This is not academic, since I just started to order it, but decided I'd better find out about the DVD compatability issue first.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link

all the shiina DVDs I own are all-region & play on everything but it does look like Dynamite Out is region-2 only.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay, fuck it, I will have to buy a more accomodating DVD player. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0rjMO7JE4&search=tokyo%20jihen

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

A lot more Dynamite Out segments seem to have appeared on youtube.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link

shiina ringo i love you. please write back!

shiinafan#1, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

So I don't lose track of it:

http://www.jpopmusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54414&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

shiina ringo i think your the greatest and i hope u never give up on your music i hope we can be friends and i hope to talk to u one day my real name is elizabeth lee windmon i'm not japanise but i am an american that loves your music

willow, Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Record labels file suit to demand ID of people posting songs on Net
(Kyodo)

Fourteen record labels have filed a suit demanding three Internet service providers disclose the names and addresses of 19 individuals who the plaintiffs claim infringed copyright by using the file-exchanging software WinMX to post music on the Net, a music industry association said Tuesday.

About 1.3 million people use file-exchanging software to exchange hit songs via the Internet for free, according to the Tokyo-based Recording Industry Association of Japan, to which all the 14 record labels belong.

The record labels, which filed the suit with the Tokyo District Court, have found IP addresses of the 19 people by checking access logs to websites where songs have been posted.

Invoking the law on the liability of Internet service providers, they then asked 11 providers over a three-month period from December to February to disclose personal information on 38 individuals.

However, only eight people's personal information was disclosed.

The service providers that have refused to disclose personal information on their clients say disclosure would require a court order as it involves matters of individual privacy.

In a similar suit, the court ruled in June last year that Internet service providers must disclose the names and addresses of individuals who posted singer Ringo Shiina's songs on the Internet.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

perhaps actually releasing her albums outside of japan and offering domestic copies for sale for something less than $30 an album might be a better thing to do than filing a very expensive lawsuit

that french site that's had KZK up for about three years has prompted more album sales than anything the record label's bothered to pursue. I've bought six albums, five DVDs and six singles, all at import prices -- add up that revenue, you executive idiots -- all because of one mp3 of 'stem' posted to said the gramophone & that KZK site. those people are doing your work for you, you stupid suits.

those idiots don't even have her stuff up on itunes yet.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

KZK is a copy-protected disk, I'm sure that site has been used by most of the people who actually bought a copy just so they could actually listen to it on their ipod

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

To play devil's advocate, yes I agree with you where it comes to sales of her CDs outside Japan, but I wonder if having an entire album available online wouldn't hurt sales in Japan. (Not that I'm particularly anti-file-sharing.) I definitely think she could develop a large-ish cult following outside Japan if her albums were avaialable at more reasonably prices.

x-post

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

DOODS MY COWORKER JUST BURNED ME THE NEW TOKYO JIHEN ALBUM ITS PRETTY ROCKIN SWEEET

chaki (chaki), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Excellent.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

los angeles and san francisco gigs would sell out in seconds, US west coast tour, that's all I ask

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I would consider going to New York for TJ. (Somehow I think asking for them to hit Philadelphia would be too much.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Too cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlTpRCeI3Lw&search=shiina%20ringo

An advertisement for KZK.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 June 2006 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

and someone's uploaded the heavy metal version of 'stem' from electric mole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOqGPdaJlwg&search=shiina%20ringo

she's unusually saccharine on the chorus, but it's worth it for the Sachiko M jam at the end

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 25 June 2006 05:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I just saw this thread for the first time, very enticing. xpost what Milton said about classical Japanese vocals over big band, I was struck by a Chinese version of that approach, though more orchestral than big band in the right before and after WWII sense, as I recall (the WWII era had more emphasis on brass), in the movie Shanghai Triad? Don't know how the soundtrack album might be, if there was one, but the music in the movie was awesome (so was the movie). I haven't gotten into Chinese opera, but the classical-to-me (and female) vocals fit the Western ballads,descended from the sort of post-operetta/parlor ballad style, like whichever of Ellington's femmes sang "Come Sunday" (but this was a lot more evocative than that)(sort of early Billie Holiday, but not too literally, just in effect)

don (dow), Sunday, 25 June 2006 07:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Milton, thanks, I missed that. Fucking hell, that ending is great.

don, I have to hook you up with a copy of that song Milton posted a while back. I think you'd like it. It's a shame you don't have a high-speed connection (most of the time anyway?) because you could check out a lot of this stuff on youtube.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

The expression on her face towards the end of that is maybe the most intense I've seen her make. She appears very caught up in everything, listening very carefully.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost Thanks(further incentive to get a better job/computer)

don (dow), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't really understand how an album like Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana managed to go as largely unnoticed as it did (in England and the US anyway). (Well, I think it was in the Wire's year end list, but who trusts the Wire? I assume I will find a good chunk of their lists virtually unlistenable.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 June 2006 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

wasn't in the 2003 wire year end list. I've never seen her mentioned in that magazine, or in any other western print magazine. I'm not sure she's ever gotten a mention in pazz and jop either -- not even a single vote. yet she's obviously one of the only things global pop culture is going to remember about this decade -- funny huh?

granted she's not even being distributed by her label in the west, and professionals can't review something more than a few months old, or vote for last year's album. you'd think that they'd have been ready by adult, though. I've zero investment in seeing my tastes reflected, I'm only frustrated without that press intrest, a group of that stature can't afford to tour. And then I see things like Souretsu on youtube and I just want to scream (I honestly did consider flying out to tokyo for that show).

on the other hand, the media isn't needed. look at the number of views of any of her youtube videos. I hope her management is, anyway. the Japanese audience is slimming into a hardcore cult fanbase for her, but I bet you anything the Western audience is ready.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 26 June 2006 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link

that Souretsu video is what got me interested in Shiina Ringo/Tokyo Jihen when you first posted it a couple months back. Now that I'm familiar with the original version of the song, the video is even cooler. The other two videos on youtube (are there more that that?) from that concert are great, too. I would love to have been there.

If Tokyo Jihen did end up being able to tour the US, they would probably have to scale it down at first. It would be awesome to see them in a small venue, but they'd have to sacrifice the elaborate stage show like the one in that video.

I wonder what it would take to start getting their music distributed over here. I actually did see Adult for sale at Uwajimaya's in Seattle earlier this month (for $35), but I'm guessing that's one of the very few places you'd be able to find it.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Monday, 26 June 2006 07:47 (fourteen years ago) link

milton, or others posting to this thread, what other recent rock do you think I might like? What else is out there a bit like Tokyo Jihen (esp. on these live videos, esp. the Dynamire Out! one)? I think I probably would like some metal guitar, but won't put up with monster vocals, and am not so sure about a lot of the other conventions, the frequently constant ultra-aggressive drumming (not to mention some of the ethos issues). I check out a lot of the bands that get mentioned here, one way or another, and I am generally not interested in what I hear.

Sorry to go OT a bit, but it seems better to ask you here, rather than start a "recommend me some rock" thread where I keep saying, "No, that's not what I'm looking for."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 3 July 2006 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm getting to really like the bossa nova track on Adult (the 3rd track). I think too often I have just been listening to it and going yes, she does a bossa nova here, when actually, when I listen close, I hear a lot of nice detail in the percussion, in the guitar, etc. (which of course shouldn't come as a surprise by now).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 6 July 2006 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link

that was the last track to catch on for me, but once it did -- classic, it's like walter wanderley or something

DOMESTIC! Just Can't Help It tour -- a DVD of the May 26th concert, coming out this September -- just announced on her web site. Sounds very different than the NHK special they aired of the February concerts, which I need to get a copy of because I am sick of loading up YouTube just to watch 'Souretsu'.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 6 July 2006 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I definitely have some DVDs to buy in the next year or so.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you notice the way "Shuukyou" uses sitar (or something similar) with shuffly beats at about 3:30, at a transitional moment, very similar to the sitar/shuffly beats combination in "Yamini Furu Ame" when she's getting ready to shoot herself (going by the video), another transitional moment. I think I've noticed several similarities of that sort between KZK and Adult, too. She often makes really smart choices about which ideas to recycle.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 13 July 2006 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Tokyo Jihen on myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=51437562

I would never put "Toumei Ningen" as the first track to listen to. OTOH, the whole selection here seems to be intentionally skipping the singles, which are available on youtube anyway. I hope people will check this out, but keep in mind that the album segues really nicely from track to track, so you are missing the larger logic.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I was revolted by 'Toumei Ningen' the first time I heard it on Dynamite Out, and those myspace tracks are them at their j-poppiest. But the album's flow eventually made a case for those tracks, and I love them now.

'Sounan' is still the track I recommend to people for a first impression.

also, I've been checking out the Zazen Boys (Ringo sings on a few of their tracks). I was surprised at how prog the rhythms on some of their tracks are -- like a pop version of the Ruins -- and they've definitely pinched Ringo & Kameda's run-the-whole-drum-kit-through-12-distortion-plugins production trick. Definitely another example of the 80's/90's Japanese underground slowly seeping over into the mainstream. Their 'Usodarake' is on youtube.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, and check out 'Hard Liquor' from the halfway point on when they drop into halftime, start in with their rhythmic variations and out of nowhere plow into 'The Immigrant Song' for 8 bars.

all their things on youtube are way prog, if they've made it big in Japan then this is good news

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I hate to be all "These aren't necessarily my favorite tracks from the album," but "Toumei Ningen" might be my least favorite. "Superstar" I like, but not as much as some people apparently do. It might be the indie-est song on the album: kind of Velvet Underground meets the Carpenters, at times, although the band always has serious chops. (Also the opening melody reminds me a bit of "Free Bird.") I've gotten to like "Shuraba" a lot. And I agree with milton, the overall flow of Adult, as it is on KZK.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

"Blackout" is really really great. I love that one brief bit that reminds me of Santana somehow (maybe it's just supposed to be "Latin"--but given the overall prog. rock/fusion feel of the song, I tend to think Santana), a rhythmic break, which SR underscores with a little yelp (which sound slightly ironic to me). I kind of think the album would be stronger if it just stopped with the track immediately after that, so there would only be nine tracks. The other two songs are okay, but I think the album ends up feeling like there are a few tracks at the end, all of which would have made okay endings, but not all of which are needed. But then again, the last song is pretty good, even if she does sound a bit too much like Macy Gray toward the end.

(I forgot to check out the Zazen Boys, but will do so.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 August 2006 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Rockist, you're crazy! "Toumei Ningen" is easily my favorite track--and probably the most unique and accomplished track on the album. I think the guitar playing is what makes the song. So refreshing and fun to listen to. And I agree with Milton that it slays the Dynamite Out version, wich has guitar playing that is a lot more MOR. It's funny, because the whole Ringo Jihen message board hates the Adult version of "Toumei Ringen." They think it 'butchered' the previous version. This is an opinion I simply cannot comprehend.

I'm a bit surprised you don't like the track if you love "Blackout." I feel that the two tracks go hand in hand, in terms of mood.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe the mood is similar, but the two tracks sound very different.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, Adult is still my second favorite album this year.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Here's a link to three videos from the upcoming 'Just Can't Help It' concert DVD:

http://www.toshiba-emi.co.jp/vmc/issue/issue_75.htm

The third one, "Blackout," is especially great. "Mirrorball" is so so...but it's not technically a Tokyo Jihen song. I guess the guitarist (Ukigumi) wrote it for some older band he was in.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"Ringo No Uta" is just awesome. (I still haven't checked that new link, what is wrong with me?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Some of these 90s singles are just my version of pop heaven. She must have put out at least a few of the catchiest songs of that decade.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 11:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Anybody pick up the new 'Just Can't Help It' DVD? I'm going to soon.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The more I listen to "Waking Up" or whatever it's called the more I am convinced of its parodic intentions, not that that's all that's going on, but it's pretty strong. And wow! this sounds incredibly good. I haven't listened to it much lately.

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

not sure which song you're speaking of there

in other news: new solo single in january to be followed by full album. looks like it started life as songs written for a soundtrack, but became its own thing.

I did get the Just Can't Help It DVD. A combination of a live show, completely reshot footage on a soundstage identical to the stage from the live show but with no audience, and the band playing in surreal, scenic location shots, all seamlessly edited together -- very disorienting. For the first half, there is no audience on camera, they're only on the soundtrack. But occasionally it really works in a way that further descriptions would spoil. Does not rock as hard as the first live DVD Dynamite Out, a straight document of them just burning, blowing the album versions away -- this one is more of a j-cabaret show. Great though, totally worth getting.

Also the new live versions of the older songs sent me back again to the first album. Which, amazingly, I love now, totally love it -- all the things that were too loud and tasteless now seem fun, all the things that seemed too bombastic & sentimental now work, uh-oh. It was just the surprise of a debauched, sleazy pop record coming after KZK, like someone demanding that you take them to go swing dancing in a dive bar seconds after they've given you the most religiously effective opium you've ever smoked -- fun but seriously complicated

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

oh and cheers for dleone's zazen boys shout out

jasrac petitioned youtube to remove most of their j-pop content, so the live version of 'hard liquor' mentioned upthread where they seamlessly turn the corner into 'immigrant song' isn't up anymore -- too bad

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still very interested, just realizing how broke I am.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

new album is solo or jihen?

chaki (chaki), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, it's fucking thirty-six dollars for this, if you can find it. that does factor in. xpost

the other downside of jasrac pulling j-pop from youtube is that the commercially unavailable Domestic! Virgin Line clips from february are gone. Just Can't Help It is better overall, but the live versions of 'Souretsu' and 'Ideal Days For Ultramarine'... those need to come out somewhere soon.

new album is solo!

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

really looking forward to new stuff. I was just listening to KZKNH today, and aside from some lag towards the end, it sounds better than ever.

also, wtf @ the tracklinks to this thread?

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I will probably buy a new solo album, I'm sure. No EP. No videos now, because that means buying a new DVD player, which I still haven't done.

tracklinks?

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, I see. Weird.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

trackbacks, i meant.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I got it. I normally don't have that displayed.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link

How about some free limited edition bonus DVDs for her American fans?

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Does anyone know what a yokusaku is?

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Nope. But a "yakusoku" is a promise. If that's what you meant...

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link

From a comment on the blog milton linked to above:

The descriptions given all over the place indicate that the album is an "iyokusaku", just like "KARUKI ZAAMEN KURI NO HANA", so I think Ringo'll be producing the album again.

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmmmm.....
iyoku= desire or ambition

saku= harvest or bloom

Maybe it's those two words put together, I guess that'd kinda make sense. Wanting to blossom creatively or something.... beats me.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Shiina Manzanita, hahaha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-u0c2w7hg

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 19 November 2006 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

You can listen to the new song with Soil & Pimp Sessions here:

http://blog.naver.com/delico4u/70010525142

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Live DVD excerpts showing up on myspace:

http://vidsearch.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=747236124

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

It may sound backwards, but I'm thinking this Soil & Pimp Sessions collaboration might help Shiina Ringo crossover more outside of Japan. I have run across more people (online) who know about Soil & Pimp than I would have expected. Get a few jazz fans who also have ears for pop and rock and that could be a wedge that opens up more of an audience for SR. (OTOH, her "jazz" singing might not be the best entree for jazz fans. I don't consider her a jazz singer, even if sometimes her attempts in that direction work out. She doesn't sound sufficiently at home in a very jazz-oriented setting to be a jazz singer--too much strain.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Weird, I was planning on blogging about "Souretsu" because it came up on random and I thought it was Cale and Riley's "Church of Anthrax" at first.

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the new song (title translates to 'temporary virgin (deathjazz version)'). need to check out a Soil & Pimp album.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 20 November 2006 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

ysi?

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

check Leonardo & upthread

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Looking over these translations, I am finding her lyrics are a lot more consistently dark than I'd realized. (I wish I knew Japanese and that it wouldn't take me forever to learn it if I seriously wanted to.)

(This thread does not come up in ilx search, incidentally.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

which means that you have this thread bookmarked, don't you. admit it.

usually, the happier her music, the more devestating the lyrics are. it's the way in to her relentlessly perky new material -- she's singing about double suicide, betrayal, ghosts, the end of the world, graphically uneasy sex with someone she can't trust, etc.

and this new single is incredible. I'm playing it over and over. once again, after a brief intro in japanese, all in english. the bittersweet harmonies going into the chorus, it's actually as sad as it is happy. it's so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_OzfBeiSU

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

video, .avi file (worth it to see it big -- reminds me of a Jacques Demy musical). and an mp3 rip. cheers to members migoto & squee.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I have made the following shiina spottings:

- sampled on O.lamm's new "Monolith" album.
- field recorded on Sarah Peebles' "Walking Through Tokyo At The Turn Of The Century" album

Things I have belatedly noticed on her sleeve art: On Gibusu she is cutting her hand & on Mayonaka wa Junketsu she is a mannequin. I had to see them in person to notice.

xcixxorx (xcixxorx), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

which means that you have this thread bookmarked, don't you. admit it.

Actually, I found it by searching Google and finding it in someone else's bookmarks, which I now do have bookmarked.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

So what's the deal with her mother being a ballerina, or having been a ballerina? Why haven't I heard more about that angle? That puts the whole fact that she was told she couldn't be a ballerina in a different light.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh my god, I think it's a danzon (not that I particularly like them, but still--cool, man!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrZzsALGkaU

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually maybe just a tango, but they are kind of related.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

She certainly writes a lot about prostitution.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

so is tokyo jihen officially called tokyo incidents? like was it a real change or just something they did for adult?

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Saturday, 6 January 2007 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah the CD does say Incidents doesn't it? I think everyone still says "Tokyo Jihen" too, including the band.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 January 2007 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link

from the ringo jihen site:

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
#What is the band actually called, Tokyo Jihen or Tokyo Incident?
The real name is Tokyo Jihen (actually the exact transliteration would be Toukyou Jihen), but in some Western sites, and sometimes in TJ's official site, they are called Tokyo Incident, which is none other that the translation of the original name.

A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Saturday, 6 January 2007 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad that satisfies you.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

So now we are waiting for the "solo" Shiina Ringo album Heisei Fuzoku, with the following tracks:

01 - Gamble (ƒMƒƒƒ“ƒuƒ‹)
02 - Kuki (Œs)
03 - Sakuran (TERRA ver.) (ö—)
04 - Hatsukoi Shoujo (ƒnƒcƒRƒC©—)
05 - Papaya Mango (ƒpƒpƒCƒ„ƒ}ƒ“ƒS[)
06 - Ishiki (ˆÓŽ¯)
07 - Yokushitsu (—Žº)
08 - Meisai (–ÀÊ)
09 - Poltergeist (ƒ|ƒ‹ƒ^[ƒKƒCƒXƒg)
10 - Karisome Otome (TAMEIKESANNOH ver.) (ƒJƒŠƒ\ƒ‰³—)
11 - Oiran (‰ÔŠ@)
12 - Yume no Ato (–²‚Ì‚ ‚Æ)
13 - Kono Yo no Kagiri (‚±‚Ì–é‚ÌŒÀ‚è)

Further updates (and a new PV) here:

http://ringoran.wordpress.com/

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I've promised myself that I would take a break from hyping Shiina Ringo, at least until the new CD is out, but I thought it was worth mentioning that apparently Tokyo Jihen's drummer broke his hand, and some people are speculating that that's why SR is putting out this solo album, perhaps as a stopgap measure. (Of course, she was asked to do some songs for a movie, as well, so I guess there might have been some new solo tracks regardless, but perhaps not a whole album.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Milton, if you see this, there's some interesting new stuff available in the media section of the R. Jihen forum. (Downloading something now.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

(well, one interesting new stuff)

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Cover of forthcoming solo album (apparently anyway):

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/s/16/34/TOCT-26210.jpg

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7463/heiseimt2.jpg

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link

OK I got KZK and it is living up to the hype. Now to find translations of the lyrics.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/ringo/kalksamen.html

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks!

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.risingstuff.com/personal/sroricon.jpg

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link

(00ps!)

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

'Sakuran' to premiere at Berlin Film has been building buzz in Japan

By MARK SCHILLINGTOKYO -- "Sakuran," the debut feature by photog Mika Ninagawa, has been selected in the Berlin Film Festival's Special section, distrib Asmik Ace has announced.

The Feb. 9 screening will be the pic's world premiere, preceding its Feb. 24 opening in Japan.

Based on a manga by Moyoco Anno, the pic stars Anna Tsuchiya ("Kamikaze Girls") as an oiran (high-class prostitute) in the feudal-era Tokyo red-light district of Yoshiwara.

The pic has been getting a huge amount of buzz in Japan for its splashy visuals, Tsuchiya's pull-out-the-stops perf and the eclectic jazz/pop score by pop diva Ringo Shina.

Both Ninagawa and Tsuchiya will travel to Berlin for the screening --and their first red-carpet appearances at a major international fest.

Ninagawa is the daughter of theater director Yukio Ninagawa, known for his experimental stagings of Shakespeare and Greek classics around the world.

Read the full article at:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957980.html

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

God she is fucking brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrZzsALGkaU

(This drastically reworks an earlier song, with typical aplomb. With a little help from Saito Neko, her George Martin, perhaps.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 28 January 2007 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link

finally found a copy of the new single at Amoeba this weekend. the cover image of Shiina & Saito folds out to a landscape of Tokyo, the packaging on her singles trump most artists' album packaging.

I'm still completely addicted to 'Konoyo Yo Kagiri'. Seemingly so happy but with some real poison in the lyrics and the harmonies. The other two songs are an alt arrangement & an instrumental of tracks from the new album -- the instrumental of 'Temporary Virgin' is on the soundtrack of what R_S just linked, sounds like an ultra-ornamented take on Astor Piazolla circa the late 80's Kip Hanrahan productions like Rough Dancer and the Cyclical Night.

Apart from the first verse of 'Konoyo', all the lyrics are in English. And this is the first ever single of hers that's been available on iTunes UK. The five clips of songs from the new album are mostly in english. The push is coming. All those people too busy complaining about the lack of substance with Norah Jones, this album is looking right over your shoulder waiting for you to turn around.

Those five clips are something -- the whole album is arranged for 70 piece orchestra by Saito, but there's still some strange KZK-ish production on the third clip, 'Firstlove Prostitute'. I am counting the seconds until 2/21.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

stripped down arrangement of 'Sakuran' from the NHK show 'Folk Master'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ej5t2vC7E&eurl=

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

such a long way from 1999's Tsumiki Asobi

You can’t get enough of abusing others
That is, you have to serve your opponent
I REALLY REALLY DO

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm holding off on buying (or trying to buy) the EP--not that I haven't heard it (and no, it was not via milton--just one of many blogs that has it up)--but I am definitely looking forward to the full album. I saw a live video of a song with Engish lyrics, from this new album, but I didn't really like her singing on that one so much. I remain very confused about her singing style. Sometimes I really love it, but sometimes I don't, and the style varies wildly, without any really linear development. She has learned certain things she didn't do earlier, but she will some time fall back on approaches that I don't like so much. In general, I don't like her singing in English as much--but her singing on the English language 'Konoyo Yo Kagiri' seemed like a big step forward, so I'm confused when English seems to bring her singing down a bit on another recent song.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm reluctant to bring some of this up on Ringo Jihen, not because they are averse to any critical comments about Shiina Ringo, but because they know so much more than I do, have copies of things I don't have, or have real copies of things I only have in mp3 form, etc. So I'd rather just wait until the album is out before I start making more general comments.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, yeah, that's the one you just linked too there: that's the kind of Shiina Ringo singing that leaves me ambivalent at best. I don't think her singing style, here, is really suited to the material. I'm not sure it's even her voice though, I think it's the singing style.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I definitely will take "Tsumiki Asobi" over that "Sakuran," but that doesn't mean I wouldn't take some more recent material over "Tsumiki Asobi." (Though I have to say my appreciation for the older song seems to increase with each listen.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm a little hesitant about her English singing as well, actually. There are very few singers that can emote in a second language anywhere near as well as they can with their first (in fact, none are coming to mind).

I'm into this version of 'Sakuran'. She's playing it straight, so her style sticks out, not a smooth fit. I'd be scared if it were a smooth fit though, and I like the song (if it's not her best).

I don't listen to the first album much at all. 'Tsumiki Asobi' is grade A inexplicable pop though, playing it for my friend Keith & his comment when it got to the middle: "well I guess you could call that a guitar solo"

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

She's playing it straight, so her style sticks out

Straight, huh? To me it just seems too mannered (though no doubt you could make that complaint about her singing in lots of songs by her that I like).

I sent a link for the "Konoyo Yo Kagiri" video to someone at work on whom I have historically inflicted a certain amount of unwelcome music sharting (we were kind of friends at one point) and I was relieved that she liked it. I was pretty sure she would though.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

It's actually pretty exciting that I only just found about her last Spring, and not only was there already a terrific back catalog to explore, but there is this new album coming out, and there are new live DVDs all the time (not that I've bought any, but I get to see clips and so on). It's nice to have discovered her while there's still a fair amount of activity. I wonder what will happen after this new album? Will it be a couple years before a Tokyo Jihen album (I do think there will at least be a third one)?

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i only bought her first (solo) record when i was in tokyo recently. it's awesome though - a very assured, confident, and at times breathtaking debut.

if the other stuff measures up, or even tops this (as apparently it does), i'll be extremely impressed

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 08:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd recommend trying her second album next, Shouso Strip. As long as you started with the first, you might as well move chronologically (although I guess you could skip the covers EP or whatever it was, not that I've actually heard everything on it).

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link

sweet, i will try and get my mitts on that second one.

amazed at how prolific she is, still being under 30 and all.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

(I don't know, Milton, SR's singing on the clips from this new album is kind of annoying me. Everything else about the tracks is okay. I wish she weren't singing so much in English.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

((speaking of that "bonus" - that you once mentioned yourself, Roskist'O -- mm, Shiina Ringo's debut would make a great one:))

tiit (tiit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't own the debut, but anyway, the package was sent yesterday (believe it or not). (And I think I did throw in some SR/TJ stuff. I can't even remember what I added at this point though.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Thank you, Rockist'O.

tiit (tiit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Digging the new record. The fact that so much old material is on there is kind of a drag, but the new arrangements are excellent for the most part. The singing in English … I dunno.

Brakhage, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I like parts of it a lot. Apparently the new versions of the four tracks from KZK are actually pretty much the same as the version on Baishou Ecstasy, but I'm only familiar with that from checking it out on youtube, and not that many times really. I think her English sounds good on "Kono Yo no Kagiri," and maybe "Oiran" (but that's because the words on that seem so vapid, I think--and I do like the song). "Gamble" is my favorite. Despite the hype (er, at least in Japan), this isn't really a "Shiina Ringo is Back!" album on a really grand scale. It's obviously more of a stop-gap measure.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"Gamble" is fantastic, yeah.

Brakhage, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

debuted at #1 on the j-charts today

it doesn't feel like album no. 4 in the same way that her double disc set of covers usually doesn't get counted as an album. and it's really not a solo album, it's her album with Saito Neko, who's doing all the conducting & arrangements for that 70 piece orchestra. since half the album is taken from her her old catalog, a lot of the work is his. and the version of 'yokoshitsu', it's literally a mashup -- not one new note recorded, just the techno version of 'yokoshitsu' spliced in with the orchestral version of 'la salle de bain'... pretty bizarre to include that as a full-on album track.

the Baishou Ecstasy DVD is a document of her first big concert before KZK came out, and it threw people anticipating a full-on rockstar comeback, coming out with Saito's chamber jazz band & opening with an Edith Piaf cover, but her vocals weren't as strong as they could have been that night -- so these feel like idealized studio versions of the arrangements from that one concert, they couldn't throw those away. and while there are some good new songs on here, I agree this really does not feel like a new album at all, either in sequence or content. the arrangements are impressively huge, but they're also kind of playing it safe, not many surprises. even the electronic moments seem really reigned in.

the english title is Japanese Manners though Frecklegirl's literal translation is more like Present-day Sex Industry, which is very Ringo. The whole album is worth it just for 'Konoyo No Kagiri', and I know that the rest is bound to grow on me.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a very interesting barely audible humming thing (like, at around 1:35) that Shiina Ringo is doing on "Gamble" that reminds me of some things Kate Bush does on Aerial.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(Well, interesting to me partly because of the similarity, and partly because I haven't really noticed this before in a Shiina Ringo song, though I still am far from knowing her work inside out.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I LOVE "Oiran"

I haven't been too big of a fan of her English singing before this album, but it has grown on me here, even on Kuki, where it sounds pretty affected.

I actually like all the new versions of the old songs more than the originals (except for "Meisai." She shouldn't have fucked with that one).

That said, I'm still mixed about the giant orchestra. It sounds good, but it often doesn't sound quite...integrated? with the songs. I don't know if that's the word I'm looking for. Maybe it's just when it gets too big and loud or when it comes to the forefront, it starts to sound out of place. Maybe I just don't like the way it's mixed? Still digesting it all though.

Lingbert, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the new "Meisai." This version has more swing (rather than alluding to jazz, while maybe sitting more on the rock side of the fence) and Saito Neko's extended violin solo at the end is great. Although I suppose I miss the bass in the original. I think it's hard to compare because the versions on KZK all hang together so well with one another, and the new album these new versions are coming from doesn't really fit together well as an album.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link

(And no way is this new version of stem better than the Japanese KZK version.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:49 (fourteen years ago) link

(I don't know why I didn't capitalize that and put in quotation marks except it's early and I should be shaving.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Violin solo is indeed crazy and awesome

Brakhage, Thursday, 1 March 2007 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I wish I could appreciate that solo more.

(And no way is this new version of stem better than the Japanese KZK version.)
I'll probably end up agreeing with you on this, actually. I always feel like the KZKNH (serious question: why does everyone write KZK and not KZKNH? What happens to No Hana?) version of "Stem" is something I should like more, but it never clicks. I think I just like hearing a fresh take on it.

I've listened to "Oiran" probably 10 times in the last 2 days. It's very rare for me to listen to a song that much (though I did it not too long ago with "Stoicism," actually)

Lingbert, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Perplexed by my initial reactions to Muzai Moratorium and Shouso Strip. I think I might like the former more than the latter, overall, although "Yami ni furu ame" and "Honnou" are more mind-blowing than anything on the first album. The songs on Shouso Strip seem really sprawling, and I don't like it that much when she gets into sprawling mode. (People who want more in-depth explanations for the reasons behind the reasons why I like things can put me in their killfile, although I presume I will have more specific things to say later.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

got the new Dai Ikkai Ringohan Taikai no Moyo DVD last night. compiles the two concerts at the 2005 fan convention onto one disc - first half w/ Neko's big band orchestra in a huge concert hall, second half in a very small room, Ringo w/ guitarist / vocalist Kiyoshi & his daughter Maki on flute.

the Neko half is _insane_. I was a little nervous about so much of set list being identical to the 2003 Baishou DVD and the new album, but this made the best first impression of the three -- comes together better w/ stronger vocals than Baishou and has more energy & crackle than the polished studio versions on the new album. In a way this 2005 show helps me understand how this new album came about -- they nailed it so well with this concert, there was no way they couldn't go ahead and try a full-on studio album with these arrangements -- though I'm thinking that when you've got arrangements for orchestra that you can play live, they're just always going to sound better in concert.

the second half -- I like Kiyoshi's guitar playing but an entire set of acoustic spanish guitar & flute arrangements of Ringo songs wore me down a bit. The opening is worth it though -- Ringo solo accompanying herself on harmonium, playing very quiet versions of 'Koufukuron' & 'Gibs'. I had big hopes for her cover of Julie London's 'Fly Me To The Moon' but this latin version does not quite work for me.

there's a high end whine in the sound during the Neko half that's pretty bad. sounds like Sachiko M is sitting in with the band on sinewave sampler. whoever mastered this is deaf. sounds fine on laptop speakers, though it's frustrating because the first half is so good you really want to turn this up on a good system.

some of the tracks on the new album is growing on me a bit. this is the only album of hers where I've ever felt like skipping around on it. it's really Saito Neko covering a selection of Shiina songs, rather than a cohesive album. her last four albums have all featured symmetrically titled songs -- the fact that this one doesn't almost feels like it's an admisssion that this is more of a compilation / collaboration than an album

the packaging for the limited edition is, as always, a total class act

http://www.apple.com/jp/articles/interview...ngo/index2.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

trying that again: Apple on Apple campaign went up two weeks ago:

link

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Is this a limited edition DVD for Ringohan members or is it available for anyone to purchase?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

it's general release.

cover - http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9387/b000lprn7c01ss500sclzzznz8.jpg (linked (not hotlinked) as per usual from http://ringoran.wordpress.com/)

the Neko violin solo during 'Meisai' this time... happens as 90% of the big band leaves the stage and he's so into it, it almost seems like they're running from him. wish I could have been there.

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I love how there's like a droney drilling sound at the end of Kyoiku--oh wait, motherfuckers are still doing some kind of construction project on the same little patch of sidewalk they've been working on for three or four weeks now.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Does anyone else think the opening of Shouso Strip sounds ridiculously like Magical Mystery Tour (in a good way)? So many Beatlesisms in Ringo Shiina, but she's got the melodic sense and the studio invetiveness not to fall flat when she's echoing the Beatles (plus there are generally borrowings from dozens of other directions).

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 March 2007 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

So I take it that the relative silence surrounding this new release means that we're all a bit underwhelmed by it?

Patrick South, Sunday, 4 March 2007 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

You probably aren't looking for my opinion again, but it doesn't feel much like an actual album. It's mostly new versions (some not so new given similar arrangements have appeared in earlier video material) of older material. There are individual tracks that are quite strong, but it's not something I imagine myself listening to a lot straight through. For me, the standout tracks are: Gamble, Hatsukoi Shoujo, Yokushitsu, Oiran, Ishiki, Meisai, Poltergeist, and maybe Kono Yo no Kagiri, but I still feel it has nothing to do with the other songs. I could see Yume no Ato growing on me in the future. So that's not bad, but somehow the overall package is a bit uninspiring.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 4 March 2007 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

the high points are still great and I wouldn't be surprised if this one eventually gets more western attention than Adult did. and most of the things that throw fans about this record (the traditional big band arrangements & the number of reused songs) wouldn't matter to new listeners at all. (though it's a little weird that Konoyo No Kagiri is her first single on iTunes UK, imagine if Bjork's first western single were It's Oh So Quiet)

I see this one as the same kind of fun detour that Utaite Myoli was (the double disc set of covers that came out the year before actual-3rd-record KZK), except I like it a lot more. this kind of sets things up for the third Jihen album.

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised if this one eventually gets more western attention than Adult did.

You're probably right, if only because the film Sakuran will get some sort of underground exposure here, and that will interest some people who see it in the music.

most of the things that throw fans about this record (the traditional big band arrangements & the number of reused songs) wouldn't matter to new listeners at all.

I do see criticisms of the quality of her singing in English (especially on some songs), and that could be as big a turn-off to non-fans as to fans (but I suppose her more typical singing in Japanese will be an even bigger turn-off, simply because it's a foreign language).

Meanwhile, I can't stop listening to Muzai Moratorium, which is making me smile more than anything I've heard for a while.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 5 March 2007 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, I wonder if Charlie Howard is still in Tokyo and if he has noticed any SR hype.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 5 March 2007 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link

EmilScherbe on Ringo Jihen just pointed out that Saito Neko played in Killing Time, and also joined Haniwa All Stars for their 1991 live album. Haniwa's my favorite japanese band of all time. I should have known -- though yeah, it's tough to keep track of names when you can't read Kanji

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Killing Time: http://www6.wind.ne.jp/tabockly/killing.htm

Itakura Bun (guitar), the leader of Chakra started a sound experiment with one of the band's member Shimizu Kazuto( keyboard, reeds, marimba) and sound engineer Ma*to (tabla, synthesizer, computer) in 1982 "to kill time". This trio named themselves Killing Time in 1983. In 1984 a violinist Saito Neko joined the band and gave many gigs.(These 4 are the very core of Killing Time.) They've built up the enormous family of telented musicians together with Semba Kiyohiko's Haniwa project as "Haniwa-Killing Time connexion" .

ok this is crucial information

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure if this is frowned upon on ILX, but those having as much trouble getting to listen to Shiina Ringo as I was might want to go here;
http://www.jpopmusic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66828&start=0
and go to page 2 and scroll down.

bidfurd, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

that... link...

how

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

he does kind of explain, but still.

bidfurd, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

he can explain all he likes, I'll never understand

I was actually handling ok until I got to the complete discography of Geinoh Yamashirogumi

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, I don't think people who are remotely interested in Shiina Ringo are going to have trouble hearing some things by her, online, at this point. If people aren't hearing her, it's because they don't know about her or aren't interested.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 5 March 2007 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh I dunno, I've never mastered soulseek or oink or those kind of things. A couple of her tracks have turned up on mp3 blogs, and there's the youtube stuff you've both posted. But there's not a thing for her on amazon.co.uk. I'm not very internet savvy I suppose.

I'm not sure I like her at the moment by the way, but I'm going to keep listening.

bidfurd, Monday, 5 March 2007 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

(edges toward the monolith)

That thread … it's full of records

Brakhage, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Kabukichou no joou" - pure fucking genius.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

that's an amazing song. there's an fantastic version of it with saito that opens the new DVD. it should have been on heisei fuuzoku.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, that's on youtube.

I'm actually really reining myself in here. I just got those four CDs and it's like phase 2 of my Shiina Ringo zealotry.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 04:40 (fourteen years ago) link

That song is so perfect for the Edith Piaf wannabe treatment.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Killing Time: http://www6.wind.ne.jp/tabockly/killing.htm

Itakura Bun (guitar), the leader of Chakra started a sound experiment with one of the band's member Shimizu Kazuto( keyboard, reeds, marimba) and sound engineer Ma*to (tabla, synthesizer, computer) in 1982 "to kill time". This trio named themselves Killing Time in 1983. In 1984 a violinist Saito Neko joined the band and gave many gigs.(These 4 are the very core of Killing Time.) They've built up the enormous family of telented musicians together with Semba Kiyohiko's Haniwa project as "Haniwa-Killing Time connexion" .

Wow, thanks Milton! Did I ever send you Chakra albums? I forget.... I think I'm their #1 fan (and singer Mishio Ogawa's #1 fan). I only have 2 Killing Time albums, which are a touch meandering for my taste, but still high quality. Anyway, I had no idea about the Saito Neko connection, as I had never heard his name until this Ringo collab.

Patrick South, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, I missed your previous post, which triggered my memory. Somehow you prefer Haniwa to Chakra! I think Haniwa is a little too all-over-the-map, and the production isn't as good (especially on their first album...ugh!). I love detail, but I think they have a bit too much going on to be able to take it all in. I have their live DVD and it's totally ridic.

Patrick South, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

hey Patrick -- yes we traded Chakra / Mishio, and thanks, I like those, especially the Mishio -- supercute quirky songs. I love Haniwa All Stars precisely for the all-over-the-map genre splicing & disruptively artificial edits -- but I grew up in the 80's listening to Faust & Renaldo and the Loaf (which is similar in approach to parts on their first album). The first Haniwa album is actually one of the only precedents of KZK I can think of in its fusion of Eastern instruments & Western jazz / classical / rock forms -- it's far, far stranger than KZK & not for everyone, but I'm still completely in love with it.

I'm not surprised that I didn't recognize Saito given the outfit he's wearing on the Haniwa DVD, but he's one of the two lead violinists on my favorite track. Just downloaded two Killing Time records, and I think I like them -- 70's fusion updated with 80's digital production & tropical rhythms, lots of Saito violin leads & proggy lines, more smooth & jazzy but still obviously part of the Wha-Ha-Ha / Haniwa / Chakra akis.

So weird to be finding out this connection now, it's almost a relief there's a connection to Shiina, makes my Haniwa namedrop seem much less gratuitous after the fact.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link

ouch, linking to my own writing, ego, I'd redact that link if I could

a vinyl rip of the debut Haniwa All Stars is on Mutant Sounds now btw -- though it also just got a 2006 CD reissue with great packaging -- as well as the followup, Haniwachan's Kanishabali, which still hasn't been found by any blogs

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Milton, what Killing Time records did you download? I own Bob and Irene.

Also, would you have any interest in writing for Keikaku?

Patrick South, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link

And, sorry, I may have asked you that second question already!

Patrick South, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I got Bob, Irene, & Skip. Some tracks maybe too mellow & slick fusiony for me but there's lots to like & I'm down with side two of Irene, I'll definitely buy these if I see them.

Keikaku.net is a great site, I'm not sure what I'd write for it though -- are you writing about 80's stuff for them? That's where they need to catch up.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm finishing up a review of the Ippu-Do box set, which seems to be taking me forever. I feel alone being the only '80s fan, so you should back me up and maybe write a review for a reissue. Though they tend to be indie-centric, they're open to anything.

I believe a review of the new Ringo will appear within the week.

Patrick South, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Schism at the Ringo Jihen forums:

March 16: Ringo Jihen forums *important*

We are sorry to announce that the Ringo Jihen forums are now out of control due to the unreasonable and almost dictatorial attitude of one of our admin. In addiition, he banned the whole staff and all the members who tried to complain about his methods. That's why we will stop supporting the forums in order to create a new Ringo Jihen community. We will post the forums link as soon as it will be available. If you know some of the forums members, please let them know about it.

Thanks for your understanding.


Ringo Jihen

Administrator was (apparently) banning people based on what they had written in PMs! No reason was given for other bannings.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 18 March 2007 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Otherwwise, Heisei Fuuzoku is not growing on me, but I still like the original bunch of songs that I liked on it. I think maybe I am liking "Ishiki" even more. Very adult.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 18 March 2007 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Milton, why didn't you tell me Utaite Myori was eminently worth listening to? I'm only a few songs in, but I like some of it a lot.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

(I am milton parker's shiina ringo frankenstein golem zombie.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

It seems like she recycled part of her scat from "Jazz A Go Go" on that second song on Adult.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

(I'm really sick of logging in.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Also Zeccho Shuu is worth hearing! That's got some good stuff on it, and I was only vaguely aware of its existence, at best.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I loaned Shouso Strip to someone I've loaned things to off and on, for a while, and he hasn't listened to all of it yet, but he said it was all over the place and that the band was tight, so that doesn't sound like too negative of a reaction. If he likes it, I will probably throw KZK his way.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

sick of logging in too -- nu-ILM is too frustrating & no fun

There's some scary stuff on both Utaite Myori & Zeccho Shuu that keep me from listening to them all the way through, but I still need them for the high points, which I threw on my 'Ringo Singles' CDR with all those great b-sides. Which I think I'm going to need to reburn to include 'Unconditional Love'.

new album not growing on me either. spending more time just listening to the 'Konoyo No Kagiri' 3-track single.

& still listening to Saito Neko's records with Killing Time. Skip is my favorite of the three, it's beautiful & less jazz-fusiony than the other two, and side two of Irene is... a Hawaiian bar band doing Nurse With Wound covers? that doesn't even begin to explain how demented it is actually

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I forgot I haven't even finished listened to all the Killing Time I picked up.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm getting to like Hirama Mikio's Black Bone Musicien Label more, now that I am away from comments in which certain Hirama fanatics unfavorably compared Tokyo' Jihen's Adult to it. His voice is growing on me ever so slightly, but I still think it's the biggest weak point. (I don't know though. His whole band just ain't no Tokyo Jihen. Rhythm section not as engaging.) Favorite so far: "Aa Waga Wa Naze Ni."

(Hirama was the guitarist for the original Tokyo Jihen lineup, for anyone who might possibly be interested enough to have read this far without knowing.)

One thing that's happened when I listen to J-rock is that while at first I noticed the way J-rock sounds similar to more familiar western rock, I now find myself noticing certain approaches that are typical of J-rock itself, so, the way one J-rock band/song resembles another. (Of course, I think a lot of that is based on what western rock resources they have emphasize.) I can't be more specific than that at the moment though.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh good, I get to sign in again!

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

"Synapse" is kind of funny when he bursts into English to say "No respect" and for the stereotypical metal bits. I'm not sure those things are supposed to be funny, but I find them funny. Maybe he doesn't say "no respect." Maybe it's just Japanese words that sound like "no respect."

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

(But no, the weakness is in his songwriting too, and in the rhythm section. Wonderful guitarist though.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I love you more today than yesterday. . .

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I have like one album, I like it and this thread confuses me!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

So is "Byoushou Public" off Shouso Strip her tribute to the Butthole Surfers?

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
nice work Donut

http://mackro.blogspot.com/2007/04/seven-days-of-j-pop-part-vi-shna-ring.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Coolness.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm actually kind of relieved that I have stopped overdosing on Shiina Ringo. For a while there I was listening to the same CDs almost every day, often two or three times each.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link

it's funny, you can be addicted to her on so many levels. the melody, the innovation, the voice, the pronunciation of words, the variety. i'd be happy to listen to just her for days at a time

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 11:25 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm placing this big amazon order now. someone push me to spend the 22 bucks for an album.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I've given up on pushing you.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

OKAY i'm going in for the kill!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

should i go with Karuki Zamen or Shoso. i know you've probably already clarified this for me, but if you could do it again i'd love it, a lot!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Today I say get Kuruki Zamen etc. (I don't understand why you don't avail yourself of the files that are freely floating out there in the ether though. Not that I don't think you should buy the CDs, but why not sample first if you are curious. But whatever.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

you kind of need them both, but:

http://www.mackron.com/pics/7DaysOfJPop/ringo/ksk.jpg

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

might as well post it to this thread as well -- one of the early moments that cemented my fandom was when I took home Shoso Strip and heard a Cluster sample at the end of her song 'Identity' -- when the entire song runs down, the turntablist has a copy of 'Seltsame Gegend' from Curiosum playing very quietly, and the final sound in the song is a Moebius synth squeak

undoubtedly uncleared, she probably doesn't even know what the turntablist brought to the studio session, but there it is, the Cluster / Shiina connection, I'd like to think at least three other people in the world heard that and flipped out when they heard it

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

someone's been diggin up the cluster threads

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

So thanks to that donut blogpost I understand what all the shouting's about now.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 April 2007 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Cool. So now there's no reason not to order all her CD's immediately.
:)

Jack Burton, Monday, 30 April 2007 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link

her album & DVD packaging is across the board amazing

with regard to Ned's 'all the shouting' comment it's worth remembering there are still zero stories about her in western print media (discounting Time Asia)

new Tokyo Jihen single July 11th, followed by third album & a two month tour of Japan in small venues

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

That's good news. (I haven't been keeping up with any of the SR forums in the past couple weeks, so this is the first I've heard about the new single/album.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

it's really unfortunate that the Ringo Jihen forum had that moderator civil war, and that everyone jumped ship to that other forum. there's some pretty crucial translations & insights about japanese culture on some of the abandoned RJ threads that are really helpful. the music's enough to flip out over, but when you dig into the lyrics, that's when it starts to seem like a crime that she's not touring the States

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Ringo_Jihen/index.php?showtopic=1184 (about the Hyakuiro Megane DVD, 30 minute avant garde narrative film released to accompany & illustrate the themes of KZK)
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Ringo_Jihen/index.php?showtopic=742 (people trying to decode the WWII collaborationist imagery of my favorite video of hers, 'Meisai' -- pretty incredible, occasionally tense thread)

then fun stuff like this:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Ringo_Jihen/index.php?showtopic=1016 (nov 2006 listening list: she listens to ween)
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Ringo_Jihen/index.php?showtopic=1255

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

with regard to Ned's 'all the shouting' comment it's worth remembering there are still zero stories about her in western print media (discounting Time Asia)


Yeah but you people talk loud. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link

milton, I stopped paying attention (momentarily) because I figured nothing was going on and I also want to avoid giving in to the impulse to buy DVDs. (I don't really see that happening though, truthfully. I have huge expenses and economic uncertainties ahead of me with the reloccation I'm tentatively planning.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200701/hirschorn-radio

Playing with the iLike beta recently, I entered my musical preferences through a handy thumbs-up feature that harvested my opinions on a range of well-known artists. Immediately, up popped the image and musical history of a young woman named “C,” whose affection for Regina Spektor, Massive Attack, and Shiina Ringo (no, I don’t know who that is either) marked her as being musically compatible with me. I was offered the chance to send her a “private message.”

Michael Hirschorn is the executive vice president of original programming and production at VH1.


you rarely see someone brag about not being very good at their job

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I posted that to Ringo Jihen, incidentally. I almost sent that guy a letter telling him why he should investigate Shiina Ringo.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

(Not that that makes it my intellectual property or anything hahaha.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

As something to listen to straight through, Heisei Fuuzoku sure wouldn't make a good introduction to Shiina Ringo. I am listening to it and wondering how I would react if this were the first time I heard her. The second and third tracks, both in English, would make her sound to me like someone who is just trying to imitate western popular music, and not all that successfully.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 13 May 2007 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

new tokyo jihen single 'osca' in one month:

http://doops.jp/2007/06/07/images/tjoscajckt.png

2nd single 'killer tune' coming in august, followed by album number three

not to over-anticipate

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link

CAN'T WAIT CAN'T WAIT!!

I'm wondering if Surmounter and Ned have picked up Karuki Zaamen Kuri No Hana yet?

Jack Burton, Thursday, 14 June 2007 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link

hmm

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 14 June 2007 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

NO don't hate

ugh 22 dollars? it better be damn good - i'm ordering it now

Surmounter, Thursday, 14 June 2007 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

"hmm"?

Jack Burton, Thursday, 14 June 2007 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

"ugh 22 dollars? it better be damn good - i'm ordering it now"

Well, you SHOULD like it. I've played it for various people who have nothing in common as far as musical tastes go, and they've all loved it.

Jack Burton, Thursday, 14 June 2007 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

oh i'm sure i will, i'm sure i won't be able to stop playing it for like eight months.

it's just one of those things, u know, where u know it's going to blow u away but ya JUST have to put it off. i just got my confirmation from Amazon

Surmounter, Thursday, 14 June 2007 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Cool!

And you're right, it really is one of those albums that you can listen to for so long.

Jack Burton, Thursday, 14 June 2007 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

=)

Surmounter, Thursday, 14 June 2007 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/Sprad/blackshiina.jpg

duplicate images!! such brevarity of the lord and followed. TRUST and COMMON for that is our fellow man and wemen. shiina is CAPTURED and is HERE.

identical twin? coffee mate?

Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 June 2007 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

WAHTY?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 14 June 2007 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

osca video get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sP0cms8SYU

WELL

it's very... summery? her videos can be so awkward, especially when they go for "hotness". I know damn well that Jihen packaging / stills / videos have always had a savagely ironic edge to them, you're never supposed to feel _comfortably_ aroused, but... those schoolgirls are just ridiculous, that's just plain stupid on either side of the ocean. I'm glad there was a link to the song 'Sounan' in the sidebar for me to play three times in a row immediately after, that's probably still my favorite Jihen song & video.

Music for this new one written by guitarist Uki. It is catchy, if reigned in.

Milton Parker, Monday, 18 June 2007 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

listening again this isn't really reigned in at all, it's ten kinds of great. that clavinet. and all the intricate counterpoint in the second half of the song. & so good to hear her skipping the english, she will always sound more insane singing in japanese

ok yes this is rolls-royce + race car addictive, could be the one.

Milton Parker, Monday, 18 June 2007 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post

The video is pretty bad. The song is okay, on first listen. If it weren't by Tokyo Jihen, I don't think I would have any interest in hearing it again.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 18 June 2007 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I've felt that way about a lot of Jihen from the beginning, I would not return to it if it wasn't for KZK being my favorite pop album released this decade etc.

Since it is Jihen though, the details start coming out on repeat. & though I'm pretty sure the video is going for awkward rather than hot, I can't wait to hear the album and forget this clip

with hindsight you can really see how much Björk's career owes to her impeccable taste in video directors, her videos have always been more her ideal medium for her than the album format actually... Shiina's songs always sound better in the context of the albums and seem to take a hit when bundled with these very professional but often average promo clips, which is a shame 'cause youtube is probably the main way she's crossing the ocean right now

Milton Parker, Monday, 18 June 2007 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link

ok I think I was being mr. no-fun old-guy distracted by panties. that video isn't naive or awkward, that spastic choreography is advanced, they're having a blast falling down, in Japan four girls dance like one car

tell me it's not growing on you, RS.

Milton Parker, Monday, 18 June 2007 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link

oook, i've arrived! or it did, the CD (whichever one people were telling me to get, with four words) - i've only heard snippits, but it's deeefinitely for me

thanks guys, will update with squeamish, manic realizations upon further listening

Surmounter, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

It's best listened to as a unity, straight through.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

i suspected this when i put it on

but it got here so fast, and had been built up for so long, and was just so exciting

that i had to put it on.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

this sounds really good guys, really, really good.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I am playing it right now, inspired to put it on by the fact that you finally bought a copy.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link

=P track 7 is sounding hot so far

Surmounter, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Best 22 bucks you've spent yet?? :)

Am I the only one who wasn't turned off from their first viewing of OSCA?? Some of the instrumentation stood out to me as well as Shiina's vocals. I've only seen it once so far, but I liked it.

Jack Burton, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link

no i think this is finally the Jihen song that could get them noticed stateside, this kind of fun translates much more directly than what they've been going for on their last few singles

it feels strange to say that when she didn't write the song, but Tokyo Jihen is increasingly its own project and I love Tokyo Jihen.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I need to listen again (at work now). Doesn't seem to have much of a hook to it, which seems like kind of a big drawback for a single, but then I guess a lot of popular indie songs don't have much of a hook. I could see this thing appealing even more to prog. fans than some of their other songs. It definitely continues to work in prog-like ways.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

much like prog, it's got dozens of things that would be hooks if they repeated. reminds me a bit of Tsumiki Asobi.

Shiina Ringo - Tsumiki Asobi
Description: Geisha, ninjas, chicken dancing, foam cube fighting and Bo Jackson, wind god

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Nah, that's much more of a real pop song.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Well okay, maybe they are a bit similar. I'm glad the new track at least goes for some kind of hard-edged sound (as compared to more Papaya Mango type things).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Surmounter, I just want to say, don't feel bad if you don't get into the whole album immediately. I found it improved over repeated plays. I'd avoid making a snap judgment (especially a negative one, obviously). I still sometimes am baffled as to what she is going for in certain tracks, or at least passages. It's sometimes really hard to tell where she is playing off pop and where she is simply making pop (as if that could be a clear-cut thing, but it still seems really fuzzy in this case). There are some moments that just seem sublime, and then there are others where there might be something going on that I'm a little uncomfortable with, but then there are two other layers of sound that somehow making that less acceptable layer tolerable. (Usually it's a matter of something just super-sweet undercut by distortion or dissonance or just plain odd timbres.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

for me it was the distortion that made some of the ballads tolerable, but then I grew to love the ballads, and I'm now even fine with the ballads when she does them straight

STEM is the only single from Kalk Samen Kuri no Hana, and is
presented with the same symmetry (being the reason why Kuki (STEM) appears as track two of the three track single). Meisai and Ishiki also both have track lengths of 3:13, and Kuki (STEM) at 4:23.
Each version is slightly different from it's KSK counterpart, with Kuki (STEM) being in English.

'Sengo Saidaikyuu no Boufuuu Kennai Kashou' translates to 'The
Greatest Song After WWII Within the Sphere of the Storm', referring to the drastic change in style because of the American influence evident after WWII. 'Daimyou Asobi Hen' translates to 'A Daimyou at Play Version'.
...link

Daimyou = ancient fuedal lord. watched Shiina's short film Hyakuiro Megane again last week, which supposedly illustrates some of the themes of KZK. though most of the lyrics focus on an obsessively doomed relationship, there's a strong subtext concerning national identity, the ghosts of old Japan hiding within the modern-day world, the lover might be floating Japan itself. and it's in the music, the ancient Japanese instruments filtered into Osaka J-noise music, all in the service of jazz and rock songs (the infiltrating music of the enemy / doppelganger lover)... there's a lot going on with that record

linked many times on this thread but here they are one more time: http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/ringo/kalksamen.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link

blog in the middle of three part comprehensive career overview w/ samples from april/may 2007. focusing on the pop rather than the weird. which is good, I know I probably frighten people off talking about otomo yoshihide & faust alla time

http://heartonastick.blog-city.com/shiinaringo01.htm
http://heartonastick.blog-city.com/shiinaringo02.htm

Milton Parker, Thursday, 21 June 2007 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's some old footage I don't think I've seen before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcQtKh5BzYE

(I always live that song title.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 21 June 2007 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

shoso strip is a fantastic release.

once the individual songs take shape after a few listens, the album is really hard to stop listening to. as mentioned waaay upthread, 'honnou' is stunning

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link

once the individual songs take shape after a few listens

There's something oddly dense about the album. I know it took me a few listens to, as you say, sort out the outline of each song (even though I had a head start by virtue of having heard some songs previously).

Have you heard KZK?

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

third Tokyo Jihen album title is 'Variety' and is out September 26. Killer Tune single cover. 'Osca' single released tomorrow.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

(w/ shouts to Orenji and all at Ringo Catalogue)

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Looking forward to that new Tokyo Jihen album. [said in tone of TV new anchor banter.]

One thing about KZK that I'm not sure I've ever noted here is the use of offkilter rhythms in some songs. I need to sit down and focus as much as possible on the rhythms some time. It's often somewhat subtle, or if not subtle, overshadowed by other things going on.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Specifically, sometimes there will be overlapping rhythms that kind of pull in different directions but still work together. That's my non-technical description anyway.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link

rocket scientist,

i only have the first two solo records. the first one is very, very good. it has more immediacy than shoso, but is not as mature or rich.

i have heard a couple of tracks from kzk. sounds like she's doing something entirely different on that one, though i'm sure it's thoroughly rewarding. is next on the shopping list.

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay. I don't want to detract from Shouso Strip, I just have nothing to say about it at the moment and am feeling KZK more.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link

that's cool :)

so it's 'shouso' not 'shoso'. my records only have the kanji on them...makes it very difficult for me to identify song titles and what not.

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I usually see it as Shouso.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Since you are a fresh pair of ears (wrt Shouso Strip), I will ask what I asked earlier:

is "Byoushou Public" off Shouso Strip her tribute to the Butthole Surfers?

(Not thematically, but in some of the sounds.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Is she really known as a Butthole Surfers fan???

I shouldn't really be surprised though, there's that story of her showing her label or whatever a list of her influences that was ten pages long.

Either way that tune is one of my favorites on that album.

Jack Burton, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, I don't know if she is. It wouldn't surprise me though, especially given that particular song. I'd love to get my hands on her infamous multi-page list of influences.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wonder if Hanatarash is on it! :)

Jack Burton, Thursday, 12 July 2007 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

byoushou public... track 11 right?

fantastic song. excellent muffled vocal effect. nice spasms of guitar feedback. butthole surfers-esque? maybe just :)

damn there's a lot going on in these songs.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 12 July 2007 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

'Killer Tune' PV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxwmK133lmg

well I mean I love this. once again I can't believe that I love this but there's no way around it. another psychotically cheery broadway musical number played way, way too fast, written by Izawa.

the 'OSCA' EP's second b-side, 'Crosswalk' is also by Izawa with lyrics by Ringo, and it's a perfect song. I agree with the Ringo Catalogue posters calling the new b-sides Beatles-via-Cardigans ballads, but there are weird production quirks that come out on headphones, her vocals run through delay and shortwave static, or gated distortion on the drums. with songs this great I'm feeling less uneasy about Ringo having turned over all the tunewritiing to the other band members, though that still hurts a bit

Can not wait for Sept 26

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 July 2007 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Why didn't I see this on my dinner break? Now I have to wait almost four hours to hear it.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 30 July 2007 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

The Electric Mole version of Kuki is back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEjxrBcd_U

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

still exploring 'shousou'

a record with seemingly limitless depth

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Finally checking out the OSCA EP. I know it's not the best thing to say to promote her music, but her music catches up a lot of strands of classic rock and 70s pop/rock that seem to have mostly gone missing from current music. (Either that or they generally aren't used to shape anything I like.) Not thinking of "OSCA" itself.

I think I like this "Kaban no Nakami" song.

On first and a half listen, "Pinnochio" sounds a little too much like solo HZM and Hirama. Who wrote it?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I like Uki's noodling at around 2:20-2:30. I don't remember noticing that when listening on youtube.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 3 August 2007 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know about this new stuff, but I will repeat--Adult is a masterpiece. I remain a little baffled by the way it goes largely unnoticed.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link

cannot get enough. can't think of another rock band that even comes close to tokyo jihen in 2007. reminds me of queen circa sheer heart attack/night of the opera

creme1, Thursday, 9 August 2007 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link

come on now. What little I've heard I've liked, and the production is to die for, but queen circa SHA is kind of unbeatable.

Dominique, Thursday, 9 August 2007 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got all these things packed in my bag
And what's inside here is a secret I won't share

They'd embarrass me so please don't ask
If I were dying, they'd be personal effects

This cracks me up somehow. It's an odd off-rhyme and bringing death into the issue seems strange, though unsurprising coming from Shiina Ringo. Also, as I keep saying in various ways, the music is like some pure sun-drenched 70s pop/rock that she's channeling.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 10 August 2007 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Incidentally, creme1, if you are a long-time ILX poster under a new name, would you be willing to disclose past your past name(s)? I have no idea who you are.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 10 August 2007 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/Sprad/crosswalk.gif

love this song so much. Izawa tune, Shiina lyric. Pinocchio & Killer Tune are Izawa as well.

bars 5 & 6 of 'Pinocchio' are a straight lift of the 'You'll be older too" modulation from Paul's "When I'm 64"

rofl at Dominque getting testy at the mere concept of Shiina's albums competing w/ 30 year old Queen records. though I absolutely agree that TJ's kind of peerless right now

Milton Parker, Friday, 10 August 2007 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link

'crosswalk' is the english title, original title 'Kaban no Nakami (鞄の中身)' translates more precisely as 'the contents of my bag'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVFuAIZ2PWU&mode=related&search=

Milton Parker, Friday, 10 August 2007 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

after admiring her for a few years via videos i just splurged on a cdjapan order. got the 2 tj albums (new one on order) plus shouso strip and karuki zamen etc. i'm listening my way through but i love the melodic depth, the weird turns toward swing, jazz, showtunes, squealing hard rock. and the tokyo jihen rhythm section is totally great.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 10 August 2007 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Tokyo Jihen's Adult sounds so good.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 19 August 2007 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Still my favorite of '06.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 19 August 2007 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

first listen through was pretty terrifying, this is really not a Shiina album. anyone with Jpop allergies will run away from the cheer, Shiina's not writing the songs and the drama and darkness is gone, this is all sugar rush Pop (i.e. the kind of sound that gives many US listeners auto-headaches). perhaps once frecklegirl's translations show up we'll how completely twisted her lyrics are, but more than ever before she's really just another member of the band -- her vocal lines are mixed at an equal level to the instruments & she even shares lead vocals on a few tracks. as a fan of the earlier records where her voice / direction was the whole point, it's hard not to miss her and impatiently wait for a return

in the meantime there are so many catchy, addictive pop songs on this record they are all competing to get caught in my head at once -- I probably should have started a new thread with this because it's really not a Shiina Ringo album, but I totally love it

"Princess Monthly" probably my favorite one track but that's just now

Milton Parker, Thursday, 27 September 2007 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link

http://ringoran.wordpress.com/

ringoran has two tracks up including 'Princess Monthly'

Milton Parker, Thursday, 27 September 2007 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I haven't heard it all yet, although I've been checking out bits and pieces of it. I find it disappointing that what I've heard does basically sound like other J-pop/J-rock in general, more than most other material I've heard by SR (certainly) and even by Tokyo Jihen as a group. I also don't like something I can't really put my finger on exactly, but there's a prog. rock whimsy, let's say, in TJ's playing that is starting to get to me. I love the fact that they have a lot of skill as instrumentalists, but I don't care for the ironic-show-offy vibe I'm getting. Maybe this impression is coming from the videos? I was thinking that she always seems to have liked a rigid looking, almost robotic, band. Think "Meisai." It's as if Tokyo Jihen has become the pretend band in the "Meisai" video, if that makes any sense at all. Of course, this assumes that SR has much to do with the videos. I'm not sure.

(I'm not buying CDs right now, or this is one I would buy.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 27 September 2007 11:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Perpetua still visit ilx? I'm trying to remember the Shiina Ringo song he posted on Fluxblog 2 or 3 years ago.

Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't read fluxblog but I found out about Ringo when Said The Gramophone posted the KZK version of "Stem" in mid-2004

I hear what you're saying Rockist but the weird thing is, I think this is their first album where they've actually _retired_ the ironic distance. when Shiina started Jihen there was an interview statement about how the new band would aspire to bring the audience 'the very best in Japanese Pop' -- everyone expected a hyper-commercial return to her earlier rock hits, but instead they got this somewhat bent, ironic package that was way too self-conscious to actually work with most Jpop fans: the inside packaging for the debut, 'mainstream' but tell me this isn't more than just a little sarcastic: http://shiinaringo.se/pics/Tokyo%20Jihen/jihen1.jpg

now that other members are supplying the songs, I don't get that same ironic remove at all -- the music finally is goofy carefree (sometimes sliiightly wistful) fun as advertised, they've finally hit their target of making a savvy adult version of Jpop that's clever without that menacing edge or discomfort that Shiina's songs have

i.e. the edge that made Shiina / TJ appealing for many western listeners, the synthesis -- 'Adult' works because you get her uneasy songs arranged and played with spotless, overpolished but totally dedicated precision. with 'Variety' many of the longtime english speaking fans on the Electric Mole board feel angrily underwhelmed or even betrayed, they don't like much Jpop and they feel like they've been dragged here, but this has obviously been the goal from the beginning

I don't like most Jpop, it's not just that it's emulative it's just they always clean things up too much -- but I really love this new record

Milton Parker, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link

a lot!

Milton Parker, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know if the irony is retired so much as flattened to the point of minimal difference. The album cover is a 're-photographed' snapshot of your typical mainstream J-variety show & what is that if not a continued insistence on distance or a level of removal? Not sure if I can apply that reading to the music yet (Kronekodow = easiest giveaway?) but I'm neither convinced that it's *just* J-pop *or* that self-consciousness is TJ's saving grace. Maybe I am reading too much into some death-of-author automated-band angle but I like most of it so far.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link

well, you're right, actually the irony is still there, and this keeps it distinct from most Jpop, still feels like it's geared more for adults than kids. to tone down my point -- relative to their previous two records, this is a huge leap closer to what it's modelled on

but it's weird, if 90's Jpop was modelled on various Western genres, this is more like a Japanese band consolidating the idea of 90's Jpop, very self-consciously

Milton Parker, Thursday, 27 September 2007 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

What about all the 70's pop/rock stylings though? (At least in the songs I've heard from the album?) Doesn't that make it different too? Or is that pretty much the norm for J-pop and J-rock (I think some of the stuff I've heard from the EPs is more J-rock than J-pop)?

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 27 September 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

The idea & not really the sound, right? Fukushuu is the only one that sounds a bit like a calcified J-genre thing. The consolidation of what was already a kind of consolidation is an interesting idea wrt slight difference from an original model (which in turn appropriated from another model).

(Also, if part of the idea of 90's Jpop was Shiina herself, maybe she is reshuffled "Shiina" now in the band).

TJ's sleeve art trajectory - pop painting -> commodity sculpture -> rephotography - is so much more appropriation (of appropriation), so it's brilliant or it's empty sleekness (hence the polarized responses?) or maybe both.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 27 September 2007 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, nobody is doing deconstructive gymnastics while listening to this album but all the process stuff (arguably) makes that needed difference in terms of pleasure. That's the bigger question I guess.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 27 September 2007 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm giving it a first listen now, and it sounds pretty good overall. (Sorry, no ideas here at the moment, just crude impressions.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 27 September 2007 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I seriously don't think I'm going to end up liking it as much as Adult, but I see more point to it than HF (not that that's saying much). "Tsukigime-Hime" reminds me a lot of Go!Go!7188, though I guess it's necessarily more fleshed out.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link

But I like it a little more than I had expected.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I really like "Boutomin" a lot, including the "Kabuki"-quoting at the end. Also, maybe predictably, I like "Kronekodow."

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

"Kronekodow," including the faux Latin jazz ending!

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I think "Pinocchio" and especially "Kaban no Nakami" deserve a place on the album more than some of the tracks that made it ("Fukushuu," for example). "Kaban no Nakami" has maybe her most satisfactory English lyrics and the singing on it is okay, so if she was going to include some English language tracks, she should have included that one.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

"Boutomin" real reminds me of Drums & Wire era XTC, in a way--not that it ends up really sounding anything like them. (Also reminds me of what I rememember Gino Vanelli sounding like, although I never liked him.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

(Making the usual useless comparisons here.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Am I crazy to hear parts of "Fukushuu" as real close to "Gone Baby Gone"?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

It will take a few months to know if I've just brainwashed myself into liking this, but I really do mostly like it. Even the weaker tracks don't feel like the type I must skip over.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

liveblogging as always, RS

but you're not brainwashed, or if you are I am too. this music has the sound of music I usually hate, so it does prompt some gymnastics -- I'm afraid of 'empty sleekness' but this music is just way, way too clever to actually be empty, there is a point where the form becomes its own thing

I don't hear "Gone Baby Gone" but Izawa's keyboard solo in "Princess Monthly" is a bizarre transcription of the organ line in "Light My Fire" forced to fit a completely different chord sequence. jigsaw puzzle for music geeks

these CDs are so expensive I usually reburn CDRs of them for car listening, and I was never tempted to do that for Heisei Fuuzoku, not even a comp -- but Variety, already reburned, with 'OSCA' / 'Killer Tune' b-sides & all three tracks of the "Konoyo no Kagiri" single (that single by itself is better than HF as an album)

Milton Parker, Friday, 28 September 2007 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link

but Izawa's keyboard solo in "Princess Monthly" is a bizarre transcription of the organ line in "Light My Fire" forced to fit a completely different chord sequence. jigsaw puzzle for music geeks

I neglected to mention that (but that one I saw pointed out already on Electric Mole). Actually, I didn't catch it on my own, probably because of the peculiarity of it that you describe.

I don't agree about the "Konoyo no Kagiri" EP, except I do prefer the instrumental version of "Karisome Otome" that appears there to the album one with vocals. It's definitely hard slogging through all of HF, and I have my own edit.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the way parts of "Boutomin" sound like music for a kiddie TV show. (I could imagine puppets singing some of this.)

Most annoying song: "Fukushuu." I'm having trouble finding any redeeming value in that one.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 September 2007 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

"Fukushuu" is the only song on the album that throws me off the trail a bit, silly metal

Hedofloe on EM posted the composition credits

on a Saito Neko tangent, Mutant Sounds just posted the debut of his band Killing Time, their strongest / strangest. and my favorite track from the Haniwa All Stars DVD finally made it to youtube -- that's Saito on violin with the headgear

Milton Parker, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

"Fukushuu" is the only song on the album that throws me off the trail a bit, silly metal

It's not really all that metal (not that I'm into metal at all--but I like some of the more metal sounding metal they've done in the past).

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

The beginning of "Metro" keeps reminding me of "Genius of Love" even though the two songs obviously don't sound much alike overall.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the doo-doo-DOO-doo-doo part on "Metro."

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOQvRFt2Eho

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

(MP, what do you think about asking a moderator to change the thread title to "the Shiina Ringo and Tokyo Jihen thread"? I don't want to ask since you are the OP. Or should we start a new Tokyo Jihen thread?--but isn't it a little late for that?)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Uki say something about "a tall man lady" in "Boutomin" or is that just me straining to make sense of lyrics I can't quite hear?

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I gave in and ordered a copy.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 September 2007 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

"Fukushuu" is laughably bad. It's a shame it comes smack in the middle of the album, but it would be out of place anywhere else on it. I think any of the EP songs that weren't included would have been a better substitute.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

It's almost like I distrust this album for being so happy, especially because I can't stop listening to it

also, unlike earlier Shiina & Jihen albums... I'm not listening to this one like an album, I'm skipping around, going for my favorite tracks. I remain mostly an album-listener as opposed to an iPod / singles listener precisely because of trust, I mainly want to listen to artists capable enough to assemble a sustained statement, when I listen to nothing but quality singles for a few hours I get numbed out, I feel promiscuous in a bad way

Though I was wrong about what I said upthread about empty -- the songs are slick and Shiina's vocals are not surface, they are deep, when she goes for it on the chorus of 'Metro' there are a couple of seconds where you realize it's not a happy song at all, and then before you can even blink, they've turned the sunlamp back on

a great record, the fear

Milton Parker, Thursday, 11 October 2007 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm still waiting for my copy from cdjapan. I hope it didn't get lost in the mail.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 11 October 2007 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't care that the songs aren't as perfect as songs, and aren't as melodically transcendent (sorry, I'm too tired to choose better words) as the ones Shiina Ringo writes typically are. There's a lot else to like about this album. There are great little harmonic things all over it. (At least I think that's what they are--non-musician speaking.)

And yes, attention to detail, in general.

(Still waiting for actual CD, and then I'll go comment on Electric Mole once I have that I guess. Hi guys.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Rockist! You are all over this thing!

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link

And maybe Sasha Frere-Jones should be listening to Tokyo Jihen instead of all those indie bands.

x-post:

I know. Apologies. I think it's partly because I keep posting these one to three sentence comments.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link

You should check out the new album, if you haven't.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Only just recieved the CD of this, the artwork is really great!

MaresNest, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I have the CD now. I'm not entirely satisifed with the sound (and I mean in terms of production and SOUND, I don't me the style of the music). It seems to be a step back from Adult. It doesn't seem as full as it should be. Maybe I've spent too much time listening to it on small PC speakers and it seems to spread out on stereo speakers? I'd say the sound improves on the second half of the album. Now that I actually have the CD, I'm feeling a little less into it--so, bummer. I still like it, I just find more ambivalence creeping back.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I think they probably should have sat on this a while more, pulled it together more somehow.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Call me crazy, but this one is actually pulling me in for repeated listens more than the previous two! I don't know what I was expecting from it, but it's much much better than I thought it would be.

Jack Burton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I'm torn about this one for all the longterm fanboy reasons -- many Shiina trademarks have gone missing from the music and I miss them -- but the result is something that I think is going to pull in a lot of people. J-pop fans who can do Puffy & Pizzicato 5 sweetness overload won't be frightened off by the intense noise & drama, and yet the new album is still enough of a polished J-pop/Western pop hybrid that it won't activate any sugar allergies that keep most people away from J-pop

I still love the record, save for that total bomb right in the middle -- but maybe it is time Jihen get their own thread

their new tour has just started -- evidently they're going for all out rock, sounds good, wish she were touring here

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe it is time Jihen get their own thread

Do it.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I was thinking about doing it after hearing the new album.

I came "this" close...

But I thought it might have been done by now.

Jack Burton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I think someone else needs to start the 'Tokyo Jihen - Variety' thread

in the meantime, new DVD-only single 'Senkou Shoujo' (written by Kameda)

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ylyX11ewFVU

pretty emo'd out! nice nod to Bergman's 'Persona' at the end

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Good, but a little average, but it has to be given time.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Why does youtube.com think I'm in Spain now? Everything's coming up in Spanish and Spain is given as my location.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Same thing is happening with me too.

Jack Burton, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it has something to do with the link. When I went into youtube cold, it went away.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

yes it's very average. reminds me mostly of _other J-pop bands_. I still love it, but it's been a long slow road from crazy to get me here

I suspect non-crazy peoples won't have any problems taking to this at all though, it is quality.

showing a friend of mine the Tokyo Incidents - Souretsu DOMESTIC! Virgin LINE clip, she noted that the last line 'Your face. / Let me see it, please.' is a spin on the Japanese custom of asking someone to pull back a sheet that's covering the face of the deceased so one can pay their respects with hands folded & head bowed. And sure enough, that's her pose at the end of the clip. Usually one doesn't ask the deceased to uncover their own face, she can be a little demanding

the Sabbath > Carpenters > Folke Rabe version of Kuki is back up with a bunch of other things from Electric Mole as well

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I've listened to the new album a couple of times, and... well, I feel very differently about it than you guys, Milton and Rocket, moreso with respect to any J-Pop comparisons, mainly because I'm not exactly sure if the term "J-Pop" means any particular sound anymore.

Once upon a time, sure, but today? It's like "indie rock" in that respect. You can get a sense, but there's so much breadth in J-Pop these days that everyone is going to imagine a different sound when the term comes up today... ALL of that is just to say that I don't think the new Tokyo Jihen is any more "J-Pop" than the previous two albums at all. It's lighter and has more space, sure. In fact, isn't condensation an element of "Classic J-Pop" anyway i.e. putting as much flavors of sugar into one nuclear chunk of pop fudge as possible? The new Jihen is a bit of the opposite in some ways, moreso than the previous two.

I'll listen to this album a few more times, but I'm not understanding what you guys were getting at above at all... not meant as a dis at all, just sayin'.

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, I freely admit to not being that familiar with J-pop, so I don't think I'm prepared to martial any sort of arguments for my impression, but it's still my impression.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link

ok well good questions

when I say J-Pop I'm talking explictly about the 90's and maybe early 00's -- we need a new term for the last few years. I don't think it describes any one sound as much as their approach to the entire appropriation of any / many Western styles, but all redeployed / remade towards histrionically happy shiny ends. Puffy's first few records produced with Tamio Okuda are still the best example of this for me, a band with zero style loyalty, one song modelled on Pearl Jam, the next on ELO, the next Disco, the next Beatles 1964-65 complete, but all remade with... well... squeaky intent, exuberant joy

for instance even a band like Number Girl that's based entirely on emo indie comes out sounding more twee than wistful (although they did stick out simply by going for emo)

even the bands going for a very tough image, who favor 'punk' or tough sounds... there's something in the music that is inherently lighthearted and happy, it seems like a disjunct when it gets to the chorus. someone like Tomoe Shinohara might have ramped it up to such psychotic avant levels that you were left bleeding, but still... she's still J-Pop

from her first record, Shiina was always much weirder, even when she was doing Alanis / Nirvana tributes. the ringmod distortion on the vocals, the twisted lyrical content, the nods to the Japanese Noise underground, the pre-Shōwa pop influences, the Asian classical arrangements placed her outside of what I would have ever called J-Pop. She stuck out and then she took it too far for 75% of her mainstream fanbase with KZK, and since then it's been a long return through Jihen, literally announced as a 'Japanese Pop' band, a clean break from the drama & outright strangeness of her solo stuff

solo Ringo had many 'pure entertainment' moments (the 'Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You' cover with the kazoo break for instance), but with Jihen the albums really started filling up with these 'pure entertainment' numbers, the early video for their cover of Peggy Lee's "Dynamite" was really throwing down the gauntlet. the albums were still built around dark songs, though, everyone bought the first Jihen for 'Sounan' and she was still making crazyeyes during the 'Dynamite Out' live DVD. the crazyeyes are gone now, she's not writing any of the tunes, it's all (mostly) sunshine -- that intent, more than any sound or style or production method is what I'm connecting to trad 90's J-Pop. I don't think this record has much variety either, I think the title is a reference to its multiple authors and lack of a center.

that make any sense? I know you know your J-Pop a lot better than I do, most of it makes my eyes bleed

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

that was a longwinded way of saying 'it's more like J-pop simply because it's much sweeter than earlier Jihen'

still, even though my teeth are beginning to hurt, I still think Jihen is _the_ J-Pop band for people who would normally shy from J-Pop, the gateway drug

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

That totally answers my question actually, and now I'm getting what you're saying above. :D

Yeah, J-Pop hasn't completely disconnected itself from whence it came, although the artists are starting to appropriate Western stuff more interestingly and succinctly than ever before.. Kumi Koda's stuff is a perfect example of this. (No, I won't force you to go listen to Kumi Koda to understand this. lol.)

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link

& this song isn't average after all, it's kinda perfect

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Re-watching clips from Tokyo Jihen's Dynamite Out! I am amazed over and over again by how completely on the band is. As much as I don't hate the new line-up (and love Adult), it's sad this version came to an end so quickly.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 November 2007 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link

based on the youtube clips that one does seem like the DVD to get if you're buying one (sadly it's one of the two live DVDs I don't have). the DOMESTIC! Virgin LINE TV special is still my favorite for its first half, but it's still commercially unavailable

New PV DVD has a version of Senkou Shoujo sung in English called 'Put Your Camera Down'. I prefer the single version, especially with that video.

Milton Parker, Monday, 26 November 2007 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

pictures from the current Spa & Treatment Japanese tour, posted by user kroneko in EM forums

http://photo15.yupoo.com/20071122/201225_341513000_xdszlxht.jpg
http://photo14.yupoo.com/20071122/201213_649408648_cenvbksu.jpg
http://photo15.yupoo.com/20071122/201219_220184604_hoarlidj.jpg

this tour's production looks more portable than last year's, kind of hope this means they're thinking about playing a few shows over here

Milton Parker, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

did not know one my favorite b-sides was a cover

Cyndi Lauper Unconditional Love Live Japan 1991
Shiina Ringo Unconditional Love (Kabukichou no Joou b-side)

Milton Parker, Friday, 28 December 2007 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

(Kabukichou no Joou was her 2nd single from 1999, way early Ringo, though the production on the drums during the bridge is quietly psycho)

Milton Parker, Friday, 28 December 2007 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Ever get the feeling that Uki really want to be playing a banjo sometimes?

Sorry, I'm not into that solo Shiina Cyndi Lauper cover.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Bad but kind of hilarious cover:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnvkSkVWLfI&feature=related

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, okay maybe not hilarious, but very WTF.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 29 December 2007 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh shit, a Shiina Ringo thread. Found this through google, though I usually frequent other boards here. Nice! I love finding other people who actually know about her greatness.

Senkou Shoujo: the song is good stuff, though maybe a bit too much on the poppier side (Kameda wrote it). I like the English version a little better, but that could just be the added effect from the familiarity more than the tempo change. The video is great either way.

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link

took me a while to get a handle on variety (which my ipod for whatever reason translates as "an entertainment") but it landed on my top 10 list. in the lower reaches, because it's spottier than the first two, but i like most of it a lot. i even like fukushuu/vengeance -- their grunge song, or their concrete blonde song or whatever, i think it's kind of hilarious. it definitely misses shiina's writing, but it still has her presence, which isn't a small thing. and "ramp," "backstage," "o.s.c.a.," "my way," "killer tune," "metro," "ss/aw" -- lots of great songs. the towering piano interlude in "sake and nondrinker" is more or less classic all by itself.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 07:51 (thirteen years ago) link

http://strikeup.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/tokyo-jihen-spa-and-treatment-tour-videos-for-download/#more-142

TV broadcast of Spa and Treatment Tour aired 5 January 2008

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Man, whoever runs Strike Up! is awesome. So much good stuff to download that will never been put out on DVD or anything. Not that I can afford to buy those anyway (someday I will watch you, Dynamite Out!... someday).

Mothra: Totally agree on Variety. Not as good as the first two, but still a lot of good songs, enjoyable listen despite the lack of Shiina's songwriting. I actually enjoy Fukushuu too, especially the outro and the somewhat goofy lyrics (hurt you from behind...)

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link

'botomin' from variety is a really well-constructed little number. fine, fine vocal interplay and the bass solo is a very nice touch.

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

is there a site somewhere that lists songwriting/production credits etc?

r1o natsume, Thursday, 10 January 2008 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I usually check this one out.

http://www.ether-sea.com/ringo/

Jack Burton, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Thanks for pointing that out Milton, I am enjoying most of it immensely. (And these concerts videos are great too.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

So I feel like I should know, but who is this extra guitarist on the live Tokyo Jihen footage?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 11 January 2008 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

that's Izawa on guitar for "Gunjo Biyori". Youtube for Kabuki / OSCA.

new concert's pretty great. her bicycle horn on 'Kronekodow' kills me, Spike Jones RIP

live arrangements are generally identical to the album versions, which underlines just how live the new album is

Milton Parker, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

that's Izawa on guitar

Oh right, no keyboards. Duh. (Not that I knew he played some guitar as well.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm trying to stream some videos from http://soundstory.tistory.com/77 but I keep getting an error message in Japanese.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I like this live "Killer Tune" a lot more than the album version (or the other live version I think I heard it). Surprisingly (since there's no chance for corrections), I think her voice sounds better here. Oversinging less?

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 12 January 2008 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I've never heard this ("Yami ni furu ame" in medley with other songs) live before (not that the album version doesn't sound quite a bit better, unsurprisingly):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWDhokl_5U

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

that's the encore from the "Gekokujo Xtacy" DVD ('Shoso Strip'-era live)

the Budokan show that opens with the kinderchoral 'Souretsu' and 'Gunjo Biyori': http://strikeup.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/tokyo-jihen-domestic-virgin-line-live-video-files-and-audio-rip/

google can find you 'Dynamite Out!' .rar's as well. I hadn't seen the version of 'Jusui Negai (The Suicide)', her vocals on that version had me look up the lyrics, can't believe I missed those

Milton Parker, Friday, 29 February 2008 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Isn't it about time for a DVD-release announcement for Spa & Treatment?

Patrick South, Friday, 29 February 2008 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

am loving 'kyoiku' at the moment

takes many a spin to fully come to terms with it

Charlie Howard, Friday, 21 March 2008 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link

'genjitsu wo warau' is phenomenal. wow

Charlie Howard, Friday, 21 March 2008 11:23 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a good song, but her singing in English doesn't work for me on that one (including any live versions I've heard).

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 21 March 2008 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link

well it's got bizarre phrasing in the verses. i can deal with that. it's a pretty unflashy vocal performance overall by her standards. but yeah, the song is great.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 21 March 2008 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

So what's the difference between these "Dynamite Out/In" DVD's? The CDjapan descriptions are kind of vague, I know the region codes are different. Are they the same show??

Genjitsu wo warau is great! As is Kyoiku.

Jack Burton, Friday, 21 March 2008 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Dynamite Out is much better (based on what I've seen of each on youtube, which is quite a bit by now).

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 21 March 2008 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I had no idea that Ahito Inazawa from Number Girl played drums on "Meisai" and "Ishiki", two of my favorite tracks from KZK.
He also comes out in the video, but it looks like it's not on Youtube anymore.

Jack Burton, Friday, 21 March 2008 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, so it's two different shows.
I wonder why they did that. Released one on region "2" and the other with region code "all".

Jack Burton, Friday, 21 March 2008 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Dynamite In isn't a different show, it's just out-takes, rehearsal and backstage footage from the Dynamite Out Tour.

gott elektron, Friday, 21 March 2008 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Not the sort of the thing you'll want to watch more than once, really.

gott elektron, Friday, 21 March 2008 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh wow, it's got all that, except the actual show. hahaha

Jack Burton, Friday, 21 March 2008 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I don't hate Kyouiku, but I am more and more convinced that Adult is a million times better.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 5 April 2008 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorry, I bet some of you were expecting real news. Isn't it time for a new Tokyo Jihen single?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 5 April 2008 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

hahahah
well as long as this thread keeps tiding over

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 5 April 2008 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link

It's time for the Spa & Treatment DVD....

Patrick South, Saturday, 5 April 2008 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

headlining two nights of rising sun festival, first night jihen, final night solo shiina: http://rsr.wess.co.jp/2008/artists/lineup/index.html

& beyond

http://kronekodow.com/img_index/2008.jpg

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 May 2008 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

That's pretty genius.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 May 2008 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

There's a band on that lineup called Ogre You Asshole.

OGRE YOU ASSHOLE

Mackro Mackro, Friday, 2 May 2008 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

i love the verse of 'superstar'. adult has taken ages to grow on me properly. but creep up it has

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder if i am the only one who has found a new desktop picture!

r1o natsume, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

http://jpopkpop.net/?itemid=471

Ten years after debuting in the Japanese music industry, rocker Shiina Ringo is to release her first BEST album. Titled Watashi to Houden, the album will be released on July 2 and will contain all of her singles as well as B-sides and album tracks over two discs.

On the same day, she will be releasing her fourth PV collection, titled Watashi no Hatsuden. It'll include all of her PV's as well as a new one, MELLOW.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

I own 8 of those 10 singles. in many cases I like the b-sides better than the singles. towards the end her singles were conceived more as 3 track standalone EPs, especially the last four which shared no material at all with the albums they ostensibly supported, so it'll be interesting to see the track sequencing

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

'Watashi to Houden' 2CD b-side compilation

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1913/srcdfd3.jpg

'Watashi no Hatsuden' DVD solo video compilation

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6010/srdvdwl8.jpg

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3823/srpsvw4.jpg

english tracklisting posted by Maou @ EM

CD1
1. Suberidai
2. Unconditional Love
3. Remote Controller
4. Memai
5. Rinne Highlight
6. Aozora
7. Toki ga Bousou Suru
8. Sigma
9. Tokyo no Onna
10. 17
11. Kimi no Me ni Koishiteru

CD2
1. Mellow
2. Fukou Jiman
3. So Cold
4. Aisaka no Choushoku
5. Sid to Hakuchuumu
6. Ishiki ~Sango saidai kyou no boufuuu kennai kashou~
7. Meisai ~Sango saidai kyou no boufuuu kennai kashou~
8. la salle de bain
9. Karisome Otome
10. Sakuran
11. Ichijiku no hana

DVD
1. Koufukuron
2. Kabukichou no Joou
3. Kokode Kiss Shite
4. Honnou
5. Gibs
6. Tsumi to Batsu
7. Yattsuke Shigoto
8. Mayonaka wa Junketsu
9. Kuki
10. Ringo no Uta
11. Kono yo no Kagiri
12. Mellow (New Retake)

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Very nice cover art on the CD!

Patrick South, Thursday, 15 May 2008 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

That's quite a lineup on the Rising Sun festival.
Mukai from Zazen Boys HAS to bring out Ringo to do "Kimochi".

Jack Burton, Thursday, 15 May 2008 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

well that's a straight-up b-sides-only compilation, except they left off 'Ringo Catalogue' for some reason, which is her very best b-side. Disc one is all the b-sides from the first two albums, pretty straightforward songs with occasionally strange production, disc two is all over the map, those weren't leftovers those were distinct EPs and it's weird to splice out just the b-sides, but... good songs. I was sort of hoping they'd include non-album a-sides, but I guess the idea is that the DVD is the 'singles comp'.

so that means they've left off the videos for non-singles like 'Identity', 'Sigma' & 'Meisai'. and there's no 'Tsumiki Asobi' (my favorite song / video from her first album). even though this new DVD is twice as long as any of the earlier Seiteki Healing video compilations, I'd easily recommend Seiteki 3 or Seiteki 2 quality-wise over this new one, and even then only for superfans, you can't expect the videos to be up to the standard of the albums

a new reissue of Karuki Zamen Kuri No Hana is coming out the same day. it wasn't out of print, but maybe it'll give people in the US an excuse to review it

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 May 2008 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder what the deal is with her redoing stuff from Zeccho Shuu... Mellow? That Gamble remake was damn nice, though.

Not surprising that they seem to have left out that cool little live street performance from the Kabukichou no Joou single, but it was one of my favorite B-sides.

Nhex, Thursday, 15 May 2008 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Over the weekend (or something like that--I'm unemployed and broke and it's all merging together) I checked the Japanese section of my copy of the Rough Guide to World Music (first edition from 1991 or thereabouts) and I found this intriguing tidbit, which I haven't seen mentioned before (though it's probably there somewhere on the specialized Shiina Ringo board):

“In 1945, ‘Ringo No Uta’ (The Apple Song), sung by Michiko Namiki and Noburo Kirishima was released. The optimism of the song struck a chorc with people suffering from great hardship.”

The entry on Japanese music also talks about kayokyoku, about which it says:

The term came into widespread use just after World War II, when it was applied to a whole range of local popular styles that emerged from the fusion between Japanese music and imported styles like jazz, R&B, and country and western.

It seems like this could apply to SR's music, though I am not very familiar with what other Japanese nomenclature is available.

Also who were Shang Shang Typhoon and were they any good?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

From a website:

The most symbolic post-war Japanese song was 'Ringo no Uta' (Apple Song) recorded in October 1945 (music by Tadashi Manjome, lyrics by Hachiro Sato, performed by Michiko Namiki and Noboru Kirishima). It's been said that people were able to endure the famine and ease a sense of despair after the lost war.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.emimusic.jp/ringo/data/live_05/top.gif

Zazen Ecstacy DVD
Here comes another release to celebrate Shiina Ringo's tenth anniversary on the music scene. Zazen Extasy records live footage from Shiina's one-night-only performance at the KahoGekijo in Fukuoka on July 30, 2007. Only around one thousand people were admitted to see this live performance.

1. tsumiki asobi
2. memai
3. shoujo robot
4. remote controller
5. akane sasu kiro terasaredo
6. EMI (sex pistols cover)
7. identity
8. byoshou public
9. unconditional love
10. sakana
11. kabukicho no jou
12. benkai debussy
13. yokushitsu
14. mai ragujuariinaito (cover of kisugi takao version, of a song originally by
shibata hatsumi)
15. sid's daydream
16. stoicism

encore

17. nihon ni umarete (tomosaka rie self cover)

Vocals & guitar: Shiina Ringo
guitar: Yayoshi Junji
Bass: Seiji Kameda
Keyboard: Minagawa Masato
Drums: Muraishi Masayuki

ol' crazy eyes: http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=ioUkMBk0Q2Y

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

oops, that promo copy is absolutely wrong. the concert was shot the night of July 30, 2000 (not 2007) -- this is a document from the year Shoso Strip was released

closing the main set with 'stoicism', have to see that

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

OK, right when it's Ringo's 10th anniversary, it seems all of the Ringo fan sites and forums are in complete disarray! WTFF!!!!!!1

Anyway, I grabbed all of the above.. Electric Discharge 2CD, Watashi no Hatsuden DVD, and the Zazen Ecstasy DVD. Yet to play them.

I assume Electric Discharge & Me is all previously released stuff? Even so, it's great for folks who are newbs to they don't have to hunt down all those B-sides (even if it's not every B-side)

Mackro Mackro, Monday, 22 September 2008 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

"Stoicism" is my favorite song off Shouso Strip, even if it's meant as an interlude.

Mackro Mackro, Monday, 22 September 2008 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

It's no interlude on Zazen. Best Shiina Ringo solo career concert DVD bar none, and it matches Dynamite Out.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

skipped the two Electrical comps (already have the singles, and I might have gotten the DVD but it leaves off too many great videos)

these, I don't know:

MoRA CD Box [Limited Release]
CD box set release from Ringo Shiina includes three previously released albums with additional single. All tracks featuring digital remastering and cardboard sleeve. Contents of set are - Disc 1: "Muzai moratorium" plus "Kofukuron" (single version). Disc 2: "Shoso Strip" plus "Mayonaka wa Junketsu." Disc3: "Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana" plus "Stem." Disc 4 "Ringo no uta." Set also includes deluxe box that plays the voice of Shina Ringo when opened, 100-page special booklet, 3 stickers, 9 cards, and a 10th anniversary poster (folded).
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=TOCT-26761

Those singles don't really belong on the same discs as the albums, but that's a great price, far far less than what I had to pay to track down all those records in 2004/5

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

I keep trying to like Ringo's stuff - have two albums and the above-described compilation - but it just doesn't do it for me. For weirdness, I prefer UA; for glossy jacked-up ultrapop, I prefer Ayumi Hamasaki.

unperson, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

to each's own etc, though I think Ringo's strength is that she's not too much of anything, as opposed to much of the Japanese pop spectrum. (and I do like many other Japanese pop acts, too, including SMAP.)

I wouldn't say Ringo is Japan's modern day female Bowie, but her career trajectory has many parallel's to Bowie's -- in particular, the cult aspect, especially outside Japan, since much of her iconography is deeply rooted in Japan, some get sucked into the mystery of it all. But many don't, which may be why Milton, Rocket Scientist, myself, and others just end up talking to each other mostly.

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

There's a lot of crawl through if you starting looking to what's up with her lyric meanings, all the different images/personas she's used in her videos and in concert, and all those various releases, etc. I actually got two friends into her music this year. These guys haven't done anything like looking for biographical info, and they're not into Japanese culture at all, but they still enjoyed her stuff on the strength of the music and her energy.

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

i hope this isn't an annoying question: but where do most of you buy your Ringo-related stuff?

it's too hard to keep up with her new releases and telling what I have from what i dont have!

ryan, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

It's expensive but the Kinokuniya Books inside the Uwajimaya in Seattle keeps Ringo's stuff updated and in stock. I use my Kinokuniya card often for the discounts tho, which make a difference. But surely there are some jpop resale sites. Worst case: amazon or eBay

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 04:08 (twelve years ago) link

Does anyone know anything about a Tokyo Jihen live DVD possibly called Spa & Treatment, can't seem to find it on sale anywhere, just curios if I have my information ass-backwards.

Also there is a fantastic website called Tokyo Recohan that deals in second hand J-Pop/Pico/J-Indie/Canto/Korean etc:
The fellow Patrick who runs it if very helpful and will track down stuff for you and make pretty spot-on reccomendations.

http://www.tokyorecohan.com/

MaresNest, Thursday, 25 September 2008 10:57 (twelve years ago) link

>Does anyone know anything about a Tokyo Jihen live DVD possibly called Spa & Treatment

it was a TV special, isn't on DVD, you might find it online, check upthread for reviews (between Rockist & I we cover most of the DVDs). I'd hold out for a release of [DOMESTIC! Virgin Line before Spa & Treatment but Kronekodow is great & they do a great version of "Kaban no Nakami", my favorite Variety-era TJ song

I have to keep relinking the live 'Souretsu' from DOMESTIC! because they keep taking it down:

seriously though, that Zazen Xstasy DVD, in a just world this thread would be 60 new answers of discussion on that DVD alone, it is something

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 September 2008 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

That Souretsu performance is really great, though I'm so down with all the visual filters...

Is Zazen up online anywhere?

Nhex, Thursday, 25 September 2008 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

the few things they have up don't begin to hint at the best parts. JASRAC are pretty vigilant about patrolling youtube for their artists. Tsumiki Asobi, (just warming up)

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 September 2008 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

I love this thread so much, it has given me such a lot of great info to chew on. Loving it all!

MaresNest, Friday, 26 September 2008 00:13 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

incredible

some donger (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 1 December 2008 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

still kickin' it

Nhex, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

a review of the new 6DVD box of her solo albums (in spanish, but with pictures)

http://eiko-moogles.livejournal.com/11806.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 5 December 2008 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

Are these just DVDs for the audio remastering of the albums then? Or there's new video content or both?

I couldn't tell if those snapshots were just intro bits, or things that last for the entirety of each album.

Gino-Vanellyville (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 5 December 2008 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

96kHz / 24 bit remasters of the albums, introduced briefly by Ringo & then the songs are accompanied by abstract visuals.

the box is already sold out online, the copies in the stores are the last copies available. I already own every note, this is a new high in pointless temptation

Milton Parker, Friday, 5 December 2008 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

Isn't it about time for a new Jihen album? I've heard no news of what's going on with them. Enough with these 10-year anniversary releases.

Patrick South, Friday, 5 December 2008 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

It was 18 months between the last two releases, so if there was one this spring it would make sense - but she's been busy with the solo shows and 10th anniversary stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if it took longer. Especially if she went back to writing most of the band's material.

(Man she's never gonna stick to a single English spelling of her name, is she?)

Nhex, Friday, 5 December 2008 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

not too crazy about this but just so I can find it again in a few months, here's the song Shiina wrote for Puffy

PUFFY - 日和姫

she's mixing and matching from her old singles, it's almost maddening how at any one moment you can almost hear which of her songs she's directly referencing before she diverts to another. which is what Puffy always does, one referential song in each genre per album, only this time they commissioned the actual person to write the song for them instead of assembling a Beatles / ELO / Avril / rollerdisco / grunge pastiche... even the video is faux-Shiina.

I guess a collaboration was inevitable, and this is exactly what I thought it'd be like... more downtime

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 January 2009 19:48 (twelve years ago) link

I'd like this if she were singing it herself. In hindsight this really underlines what she brought to 'Variety' -- other people's songs sound like hers if she's the one singing them.

just noticed frecklegirl updated her site with translations for Shiina's lyrics for Variety and they're pretty good. I think I prefer her hyper-literal, blocky translations, they're awkward to read but they seem more accurate to the concepts than some other people's attempts to force the lyrics to flow in the same way the originals do

Milton Parker, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty spot on, Milton. (it really is a faux-Shiina video!) I am a little more annoyed because it sounds so obviously like a Shiina "remix", but it's really not suited for Puffy's singing style at all, while the aforementioned ELO/Beatles clones and such generally have. Compare that to Amagasa that she wrote for TOKIO:

Their vocal style suits this Killer-tune clone much better. Then again it's kind of weird, since she didn't compose Killer-tune in the first place... I wonder if her bandmate is okay with that!

Frecklegirl's translations are definitely preferable to the other stuff I've seen out there...

Nhex, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

This is just a preference with me, I expect to be alone with it, etc. but I try to avoid english translations of the lyrics of Ringo songs.

I don't mind translations for the song titles, only for reference sake in conversation. But with Ringo, as opposed to other Japanese pop/rock artists, she's made the Japanese in her work a scavenger hunt even for more interested scholars in Japan, whereas almost any other Japanese artist hands you the English version, or names half their songs using the English/Roman alphabet. (Variety seems to be more a little more inclusive with English for the first time in forever, though, hmmm)

I've always wanted to learn Japanese, but Ringo has kinda forced to start learning parts of it on my own, so I don't really want to be given the meanings/translations of the lyrics, because it distracts me from my MISSION. (heh heh)

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

while i've now heard, played repeatedly and absorbed a lot of shiina ringo's material, i always feel behind the pace when i consult this thread, because i'm not quite at the point where i can effectively follow what she's doing in the present. for instance, i'm still playing KZK and adult fairly regularly, and not yet feeling compelled to move on. KZK is somehow an inherently steamy record. i think the power of the vocals on this one lie in their subtlety and the little nuances in the delivery that really get under your skin. and then of course the musical arrangements and production are really something to behold.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 16 January 2009 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

i'm still playing KZK and adult fairly regularly

These are the albums I go back to the most.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 17 January 2009 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, and i mean those two had much less immediacy, i thought when compared to much of her other stuff. i even had trouble telling some of the tracks apart for a while - took me some really involved listening and an ear for detail to appreciate the greatness of them.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Actually, Adult was pretty immediate for me. KZK took a little longer.

In the library, listening to some Tokyo Jihen playlists on headphones, from youtube no less, and I continue to be impressed with how well-constructed a lot of this music is. Noticing new details here and there thanks to the headphones. Variety may be a flawed album, but extract a lot of the tracks, re-arrange them with some others, and they are pretty amazing. Also, say, the EP version of "Shuraba" is different enough from the album version to win them some more credit.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 13 February 2009 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

Adult - solid album, non-album tracks on EPs felt like leftovers
Variety - scattered album, some of the best tracks saved for b-sides & a non-album single.

review of 10th anniversary show while waiting for the DVD - http://www.jame-world.com/uk/article.php?id=6761

some good reviews here - http://www.jrawk.com/Content/etc/features/recommended-20-2008.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 February 2009 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

I only just picked out the name "Pinocchio" in the words to that song, just now, listening with headphones, even though I've heard the songs dozens of time. (I guess my brain just normally turns off word parsing figuring it's all in Japanese anyway.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 13 February 2009 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

RINGO EXPO 08 01 - I like how the video screen just stays zoomed in on the cobwebbed antlers instead of her face
RINGO EXPO 08 02
RINGO EXPO 08 03 - this version of 'gamble', straight to your grandma
RINGO EXPO 08 04

seems like one to pass on. spectacular like Vegas. instead of weird new arrangements of her hits, these versions are clones of the studio records, and Saito's orchestral arrangements are much more anonymous than his big band arrangements. kind of glad this endless 10th anniversary year is over.

this DVD w/ Saito's big band, much much better

Shiina Ringo's new single・'be superfluous wealth',
2009 May 27 release date TOCT-40255 / ¥ 1,000 (tax included)
Friday ★ TBS drama series "Smile" theme song

Milton Parker, Monday, 16 March 2009 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Does that mean a new solo record is coming out?

Nhex, Monday, 16 March 2009 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Does that mean a new solo record is coming out?

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=TOCT-26840

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

Nice!!!

Nhex, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

Are you sure this is going to be new recordings, and preferably new songs, or is it possible this is another repackaging thing?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

1. 流行 ryuukou / vogue
2. 労働者 roudousha / the laborer
3. 密偵物語 mittei monogatari / a spy's tale
4. ○地点から maru chiten kara / from point O
5. カリソメ乙女 karisome otome (death jazz version) / temporary virgin DEATH JAZZ version
6. 都合の好い身体  tsugou no ii karada / a profitable body
7. 旬 shun / season
8. 二人ぼっち時間 futari bocchi jikan / time for the two of us
9. マヤカシ優男 mayakashi yasaotoko / the phony gentleman
10. 尖った手口 togatta teguchi / sharpened tricks
11. 色恋沙汰 irokoizata / love affair
12. 凡才肌 bonsai hada / mediocre skin
13. 余興 yokyou / sideshow

bonus
14. 丸の内サディスティック (EXPO Ver.) / marunouchi sadistic (EXPO Ver.)

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

(translations courtesy of kuro_neko, shoutouts to all at electric mole -- the thread on this release is already 11 pages long)

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

Shit, I need to re-register over there.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

they're not saying much, half of them already have their knives out. the loudest, most active posters aren't really Jihen fans, they wish she stayed in 2000-2003, so the forum is usually too tough a read for me.

her symmetrical song titles are particularly locked in and conceptually mirrored this time around. I am not anything but psyched for this.

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

from point O <> sharpened tricks

emoticon

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

most active posters aren't really Jihen fans, they wish she stayed in 2000-2003, so the forum is usually too tough a read for me.

Oh yeah, I've read enough to gather that. (Except I thought there was a lot of love for the original Tokyo Jihen lineup.

(At least as manifested in live recordings.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 17 April 2009 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

I have to admit I was a tad disappointed by her last "solo" album but still got major love for everything she's done, recent Jihen included.

Nhex, Friday, 17 April 2009 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

yeah they liked Hirama. his noise guitar solos & stage energy was the one thing in the band that bridged the new cabaret direction of Jihen with her older rock albums, and when she axed him in favor of Uki's fusion guitar and Jihen went full on classical jazz-pop... you seldom see fans that outraged, they really felt betrayed. But that's where the band was going the whole time, Hirama already seemed kind of anachronistic on that first record

I think Jihen Phase 2 made better albums, but Phase 1 live circa Dynamite Out DVD = the force

xpost
the DVDs that show the big band playing Saito's arrangements live are amazing -- you can sort of see why she said OK to doing an album of polished studio versions, but as a studio album it sounds like too much of a retread. But the Dai Ikkai Ringohan Taikai no Moyo DVD >>> Heisei Fuuzoku CD

Milton Parker, Friday, 17 April 2009 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

I wish "Karisome Otome (DEATH JAZZ ver.)" weren't on this, because (a) I don't like it much and (b) it's a rehash. Maybe a studio version will be better than the crazy Japanese TV show live version.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

i prefer tokyo jihen phase ii and cannot wait for this

a somnambulist in an ambulance (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

I really liked the Death Jazz version over the one that went on the album, myself. Plus it was a digital only single, so I can understand why that did this rehash (though yeah I would probably prefer a new track over it, too).

Anyone know what happened to the Freckle site? It seems to be down.

Nhex, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

This is okay on first listen. Okay, not more than that for now.

(And is it or isn't it on the new album? Does anyone here know?)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 23 May 2009 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

However, perhaps feminist forcefulness is what mainstream Japanese pop needs. Strong female acts like Shiina Ringo and Yuki have enjoyed huge commercial success and represent a more substantial appreciation of womanhood by Japan's pop-loving masses. What's clear is that, with female-fronted bands continuing to reign supreme, Japan's gender roles are slowly changing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/may/05/turning-japanese-rock-chick

I hope her name isn't going to become so widely mentioned in the English language music press that I won't be able to complain about the lack of mentions any more.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 23 May 2009 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

I agree, it's just okay. Surprising choice, pretty low-key song (and video as well, no Ringo in it at all).

Nhex, Saturday, 23 May 2009 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

single is not on the album (happily) -- it's the theme song to a new japanese prime time soap opera / drama show called 'smile' which is primed to be a huge hit. the song did grow on me a bit, I like how the last three minutes of the song are basically one long guitar solo that starts out george harrison and then gradually turns david gilmour (a user on EM noted that the video's basically a reference to the pink floyd collage at the end of Zabriskie Point)

album cover art up: http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3586298

Milton Parker, Saturday, 23 May 2009 22:58 (eleven years ago) link

we knew the b-side would be weirder

I thought I saw her showing off her scars on one of those Japanese interview shows posted on youtube recently, so that makes more sense now.

And the single is. . . hmmm. I can live with this, but don't have any strong reaction, except I kind of like it best at the end when it's more instrumental. Sounds very international pop if you know what I mean.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I kind of follow you there, with the style of that track. I like the B-side, though... and the back image, and how the barcode is just slightly placed underneath the fingertip in that image. That back scar is a provocative image, but I wonder if there's any meaning to it or if it was just time to get around to using it. Thanks for the info, Milton.

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

Also realizing obviously that the front of the single really prominently features the asymmetrical collarbone, too..

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 02:27 (eleven years ago) link

which makes it more like the packaging "Ringo No Uta" than anything else she's done that I've seen, which makes sense if this is a resumption of her solo career. That's more or less what I thought of the scars too, they are part of the SR mystique, part of her identity, so it's almost like "This is not Tokyo Jihen.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

It's not looking good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icAOqbUHAUs

(Okay maybe I should wait until I've heard more than a minute and a half, but I am not excited by this sound at all.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 16:24 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I'd be amazed if I learn to like that one. and the production for the video is so low key. one other song has leaked, and it's another theme song, this time for a kids show. it's better than 'shun', but similar, so at this point I'm just waiting for the record

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

listening to Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana for the first time in a while, it's one of the pinnacles of the 00s imho. what a fucking album

michael jatas (r1o natsume), Saturday, 20 June 2009 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

No argument here.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 20 June 2009 17:05 (eleven years ago) link

and i haven't heard many other albums this decade that work so well in a classic album sense; it never feels too long, all of the songs seem of a piece, as if a lot of time an effort when in the sequencing. not that this counts for anything, but i will still be listening in 10, 20, 30 years time.

michael jatas (r1o natsume), Saturday, 20 June 2009 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

total time = 50:05

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ flesh-colored guitar

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

Have you heard it Milton?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

it's available now. go get it!

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

I'm seriously broke, so that's not going to happen. I think I want to preview this one before buying it, but even if I thought it was a second KZK, I would not be buying it right now.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

... buying?

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

you are a paragon of virtue RS

I will certainly be buying this when I see a copy, but I didn't hesitate to listen. and it's good. 'Shun' is the least interesting single she could have picked. inverse of Karuki Zamen Kuro No Hana, this is viciously happy music. Probably wouldn't have been into it if this was my first impression of her but I'm way over the fence now. I'll wait for others to listen.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

I'm a paragon of stupidity, since I can't seem to find this, at least not in any form I can handle. (And my PC time is about to run out for the day.)

Maybe later this week I will try again.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

Okay, I just needed to refine my search I guess. I should be able to listen soon.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

my girlfriend goes to japan next week so she'll be picking this up for me (along with the interior and testpattern records, and other hosono-san releated stuff i won on yahoo auction) so can just about resist the download till then but this:

"inverse of Karuki Zamen Kuro No Hana, this is viciously happy music."

you tend to overstate the weirdness of zknh. whichever way you want to read it, it still lies more on the side of happy, uplifting modern pop masterpiece than it does freaky avant-garde masterpiece!

michael jatas (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

saying that, i suppose an understanding of the lyrics might lean it towards the latter

btw do you guys listen to much jun togawa? i'm surprised she hasn't been mentioned in this thread as she seems in a similar mould to shiina ringo - very pop but constantly flirting with weirdness. the yapoos album keikikaku is just as far out as zknh while managing to stay firmly within the realm of contemporary pop music

michael jatas (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 21:11 (eleven years ago) link

KZK sounds haunted to me. And as you say, that's not even getting into the lyrics about ghosts & 'Today, placenta, tomorrow'. New one is the opposite of haunted.

Uh-oh, 'Shun' is growing on me now that I hear it in context in the middle of the record. How does she always do this.

I love all of Jun Togawa's bands, especially once I saw the videos. Guernica probably my favorite but Yapoos is really growing on me. Shiina has never mentioned her or Miharu Koshi as influences, though I wonder (I mention Miharu because there's something very Ringoesque about the way they handle western classical influences & they both cover 'Heidenroslein')

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

it still lies more on the side of happy, uplifting modern pop masterpiece than it does freaky avant-garde masterpiece!

I can't really agree with this. It's avant-pop, and I agree with Milton's comment about it being haunted.

And "Shun" doesn't bother me so much in context either. It's not so bad.

Overall, the new album is okay. It's not the disaster I was fearing, but it's too soon to know how much better than a disaster I think it is. I like the transitions from track to track, in most cases, especially the abrupt breaks.

Also, I'm glad I got to hear this version of "Marunouchi Sadistic" after all. (I think the album could do without the previous two cuts though.)

It does seem like she's approaching closer and closer to Pizzicato Five territory, and I'm not sure how long that's going to keep me interested (not that I hate them but I don't love them either).

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

Her English is pretty strong on this, better than it was sounding on most of what came out in 2007.

I also like her singing in general a little more here (than on Variety and HF), I think. Maybe it's just been more studio processed. It doesn't seem like she's doing anything so different, so I can't quite figure out what it is that I'm liking better.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:11 (eleven years ago) link

Another thing, I don't agree that it gets better as it goes on (which I read somewhere either in this thread or over on Electric Mole I guess). I think I like the first half better.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:15 (eleven years ago) link

I think it's fantastic, though again I wouldn't be giving it a chance if I hadn't heard KZK first. I'd have turned this off ten seconds into the guest rapper's intro on the first track, & I'd have missed out.

definitely some tracks stick out more than others but this flows too well as an album to skip any tracks (unlike Heisei Fuuzoku or Variety). sometimes I play "The Leading Hitter" twice, deranged hyper-Disney. reminds me of Louis Wain paintings of cute cats, but something's really off about it, and then you realize it's not that the cats are playing sports, it's that they all are smiling and have blue fur

I didn't even notice all the English yesterday -- there's a lot of sudden switching to English for just a few lines, and the production is so dense you don't always catch it

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:28 (eleven years ago) link

xpost agreed on the singing, she sounds wonderful. and agree about the last few tracks, I like them all right but they make it seem like less of an album. it doesn't seem to have an ending.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:35 (eleven years ago) link

Definitely like it so far, want to give it more listens before giving a more full opinion. I do agree about her English having improved measurably.

Nhex, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

Interesting, I was thinking of P5 too - it falls alongside Yasuharu Konishi as curator of vintage Western music. The sound resembles late Shibuya-kei in the hodge-podge of reference points (jazz, funk, showtunes, Brazil, France) & in the slightly airless production w/ all that thick brass and organ. A different model - music chops & a lot less detachment (Shiina & Maki Nomiya are opposites in performance-style) - but the frame is very close. The vocal harmony bits also reminded me of Cornelius/Fantastic Plastic Machine & their Beach Boys fixation (or less charitably, J-boy-band Da Pump).

SG actually sounds like a continuation of Utaite Myouri which is probably one of her less appreciated moments. Enthusiasm for capital M conventional Music w/ a playful approach to the baubles and arrangements (in contrast to something more overtly straddling avant-garde). The stature of Motown & Ella Fitzgerald will always come before Stockhausen & drum & bass. And maybe I just know more about her collaborators than I used to, but their involvement feels more significant this time from track to track (they're also lined up to somewhat match the symmetry scheme, so you work inward to the busy Soil & Pimp to the busier Saito Neko, pause for Shun, & reverse back out). It's like a big assured music genius party.

Of course, I probably still prefer haunted KZK tones or Shouso Strip's more nascent visions of pop. But I embarrassingly end up liking everything, b-sides, covers, unofficial soundtrack music, whatever, so I don't know what it would take to count as a betrayal.

xcixxorx, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

I think the accordion one functions as a proper ending track. Then the one rock track on the album feels like some sort of relief (which I like a lot). The MS EXPO has a devil may care bonus track thing going on.

xcixxorx, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

But I embarrassingly end up liking everything

^^

I noticed the tracks are all very strongly paired up this time... KZK did that as well, but this time it's sonically obvious, so it makes sense that the collaborations are symmetrical. all the overtly strange production is cordoned off in tracks 4 <> 10, who did those?

The MS EXPO has a devil may care bonus track thing going on.

it breaks symmetry but it is so shamelessly good

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:54 (eleven years ago) link

4 and 10 are by Nobuhiko Nakayama who does synth programming for lots of bigtime J-pop (inc. Shouso Strip).
5 and 9 are Soil & pimp.
6 and 8 are Saito Neko.

xcixxorx, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

I wonder what percentage of the rest of ILM is even aware that there is a new Shiina Ringo album. (That's just an observation on the existence of sub-cultures here, without an implied value judgment of them.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

if you live in Japan, you've known there's a new Shiina Ringo album coming for the last four weeks, she's on more magazine covers this month than she's been since Jihen, and there's an ad campaign on television made from outtakes from 'Shun'

my hopes were up for a US Jihen tour, since 'Spa and Treatment' was a scaled back production, but now that she's returned to solo stadium-scale shows I've kind of given up on her ever touring here

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

there's also this to keep track of. haven't heard it yet.

Toridori, A New Album by Rie Tomosaka - On sale Wed., June 24

Contributions
Track 2 – Tokai no Manaa (“City Manners”) - Music and lyrics by Sheena Ringo - Arranged by Tokyo Incidents
Track 3 – Mezame (“Waking Up”) - Music, lyrics and arrangement by Ukigumo
Track 4 – Talins - Music, lyrics and arrangement by Ichiyo Izawa
Track 7 – Kodomo no Jokei (“Childhood Scene”) - Music, lyrics and arrangement by Sheena Ringo

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

4 and 10 are by Nobuhiko Nakayama

I would have sworn that 4 <>10 were the two tracks where Inoue Uni really got to go off. his composition / editing on "Ringo Catalogue" is still in many ways what makes it my favorite Ringo song. "Bakeneko Killer" (Goblin Cat Killer) (aka the 'producers' of KZK = him & Shiina

interesting list of her admitted influences

wikipedia page on KZK has really fleshed out since the last time I looked - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalk_Samen_Kuri_No_Hana

Milton Parker, Friday, 26 June 2009 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO1P3tyRrY

Rie Tomosaka doing a waaay too mellow version of "Aozora".

Nhex, Saturday, 27 June 2009 06:52 (eleven years ago) link

Randomly googled this by accident - I guess it's the full version of the cover photo for the Ariamaru Tomi single. Didn't notice it before, but what is up with the fake mole? I guess the fake necklace sort of fits the song's theme.
http://i44.tinypic.com/1zwcc9g.jpg

Nhex, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 02:40 (eleven years ago) link

Is she really blind in one eye?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

What? Haven't heard that one before.

Nhex, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

Just joking based on her line:

I shed a tear from one blind eye

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm not sure what this is saying but I can kind of get the gist of it (scroll down for SR content):

http://www.soundsblog.it/post/7683/album-piu-venduti-mondo-agg-03-luglio-09

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

Babel fish says that "Album più venduti" means "Sold egg whites more!"

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYQoxTJ4edg

video for '都合のいい身体 / Tsugou no Ii Karada' (The Leading Hitter), one of maybe three songs that's holding up for me on the new album

early Tokyo Jihen records made such a negative first impression on me, but I couldn't stop listening to them. this new album seemed like a solid quality effort at first, but I'm not spending that much time with it. buying a copy didn't help, the cover / booklet, there's something off

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

Cute video. Don't share your opinion on the album though... Is it in her top tier of work? Probably not, but I'd still consider it a solid fun record (and that song isn't even one of my favorites off of it). My expectations for the album were already muted since I didn't love her last solo one, so maybe that helped.

Nhex, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

I'm still enjoying it, but I still don't rate it all that highly. I find the detective movie lytics here and there a bit boring after a while. There's some great instrumental work throughout, especially the trumpet blaze on Mayakashi Yasaotoko." I'm liking her English here less than I did at first.

I only normally listen to tracks 1-11.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

being in a self-conscious group like Jihen allowed her to frame herself formally as an entertainer rather than... whatever KZK was, both a cipher and a confessional, that album really radiates both a personal and a historical identity. it is not just about the collapse of a relationship, it's about what has been happening to Japan over the last century. so the sudden turn away from that into a glossy pop group, to album packaging framed as fake advertisements for glamour products, vamping up the cabaret outfits & covers -- all that Vegas had a satirical edge to it in the context of Jihen.

but it comes across very differently now that she's still doing it as a solo act, the album title isn't really satire, it's descriptive. the booklet's a bunch of disgustingly airbrushed shots of her body lounging in satin, fondling a guitar and looking vacant, and I get the same kind of feeling about the music, it is beautiful but only surface?

of course I am overthinking, but KZK set the bar that high, and this really is her first solo album since then (Heisei Fuuzoku was not a solo album). I still like it, certainly listening to this more than any other album this year outside of things like hour long CDs of tibetan singing bowl drones or Georgian choral music or Violeta Parra comps etc.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 20:54 (eleven years ago) link

Anything new and special on the Violeta Parra front?

I suspect that KZK may not be the "real" Shiina Ringo any more than anything else she has put out (not that you are exactly saying that). I mean, it's like it's something that happened via her, but whether it's the truest expression of her vision or whatever, I don't know.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, as much as I do appreciate KZK I have to lean more on RS's side there. As artful and self-indulgent as it was, I don't consider it more essential than several of her other albums.

Nhex, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

I most of her music, but KZK is my favorite pop record of the decade

nothing new on the Violeta Parra front, just discovered her via an old Santiago Alvarez documentary with her song 'Arauco' on the soundtrack and I realized that's one of my favorite songs on the Robert Wyatt covers album. I just have 'Antología' which is mostly solo voice & guitar and I'm looking for good albums of her with full backing band now

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

Put SG on while doing the dishes the other day & was surprised to find that I remembered how a lot of the tunes went. It's possible that I've just internalized her songwriting style. I agree about it being an entertainment show - big spotlight on maximal consolidation of all the music bits & pieces through TJ & everything else. As such, it lacks... maybe narrative purpose, or formal contingency, or surprise (the red herring promises of KZK, perhaps)? Maybe she's in a suit of armor now.

Blindfold tested Rie Tomosaka's latest &, well, it was not entirely difficult to single out the Shiina contributions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftyLNv0_LE

xcixxorx, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:29 (eleven years ago) link

I do consider KZK more essential than any of her other albums, just not more a representation of Shiina Ringo's essence (if there is such a thing). (I think we've all sort of gone in this circle before at least a couple times anyway.)

I'm kind of amazed that lots of people over on Electric Mole seem to prefer Sanmon Gossip to Adult (which I think they underestimate seriously).

Milton, I'm not sure it's a matter of the flashy diva thing not being interesting any more, for me anyway. I think Adult was better musically, in addition to having the advantage of that whole image still being relatively fresh.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 August 2009 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

I should probably comment over there about it, but I'm not interested enough to argue the point.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 13 August 2009 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

i got sanmon gossip like a month ago, but it was one of those late-night acquisitions in the middle of a bunch of other stuff so i filed it away and totally forgot i had until last week. been listening a lot, i like it a lot. agree more or less with the consensus here i guess, it's a solid and entertaining pop record, more immediately accessible in a lot of ways than KZK but also not as detailed or surprising or interesting.

but hell i even liked (most of) variety so whatever. i'm a fan.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

http://sadisticgossip.blogspot.com/2009/06/shiina-ringo-2009-tower-records.html

Question #26
Q: Was there a aim or intention behind Sanmon Gossip?
A: The intention was "no concept".

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

Q: If you could be born again, who (what) would you like to become? (It's ok if it's not real)
A: Any creature with a penis.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

no concept! i do wonder why bother with the symmetry, but i guess it was just for fun after all (or trivial as the interview says... the answers are so short, though, i wonder if it's edited or just a quick blow-off)

Nhex, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

For the benefit of those who can listen (I can't really, as I'm at work):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E20IgVKIoY&feature=player_embedded#

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:01 (eleven years ago) link

That's the new Tokyo Jihen single, though that should be obvious enough once you click on it.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:01 (eleven years ago) link

thanks for the info

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 08:11 (eleven years ago) link

Sanmon Gossip left my rotation pretty immediately, so here's hoping there is gold to mine in a new Tokyo Jihen disc.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 08:42 (eleven years ago) link

Aces thanks!

MaresNest, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 09:53 (eleven years ago) link

Sanmon Gossip stayed in my rotation for a while, but it's now left rather definitively, and I find it really difficult to bring myself to listen to it.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:12 (eleven years ago) link

Oh crap, I was just listening to the embedded video and the video as displayed on youtube, and didn't realize they were both going, and thought, wow, this sounds pretty good and more adventurous than I expected. I'm afraid it will be slightly less interesting one at a time.

Playing it again the straight way and it still sounds good.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 13:14 (eleven years ago) link

I think I like it.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 13:15 (eleven years ago) link

Where have I seen those arm movements before (the way she flicks her wrist as her hand approaches the mic)? (I think to myself half-consciously)--ah, the video for the last Tokyo Jihen single (I can nenver remember the name). Maybe they aren't exactly the same, but it definitely reminds me of it.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 13:19 (eleven years ago) link

And Kameda is going to town.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 13:22 (eleven years ago) link

But why is she tormenting her band in the video?

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

Immediate reactions: Background vocals brought to the fore! Moonwalking! Also far too similar to the material on Variety, by which I mean it's indistinguishable pop. Man, I miss the Kyoiku era something fierce.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I dunno

oh wait, now I remember: http://sadisticgossip.blogspot.com/2009/09/shiina-ringo-20070700-sannin-kichisa.html

Milton Parker, Thursday, 19 November 2009 03:57 (eleven years ago) link

actually, just downloaded the Soil & Pimp Sessions album that 'Foolish Heart' track is from, '6' -- less wild but tighter than the one previous album of theirs I'd heard, I'm going to have to pick up a copy of this. and the Shiina song sounds perfect in the context of the album.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 19 November 2009 05:31 (eleven years ago) link

Dug the S&P song, actually! The new Jihen single is OK. Too much moonwalking, though it is kind of funny when she throws the rose bouquet at the keyboardist for no reason. I was a fan of Variety, though, it grew on me more quickly than it did for others, I guess.

Nhex, Thursday, 19 November 2009 06:13 (eleven years ago) link

This S&P song makes me think: she really is no jazz singer.

I find it really hard to care about that song at all.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 20 November 2009 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

Listening to "Frustration" for the first time right now, and I like it so far. Haha, oh the guys doing the chorus thing is pretty good. Her singing here reminds me of Shouso Strip for better or worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNHE6LGZ9o

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

I could be happy with an album that sounds approximately like these two songs, I think.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

Her singing here reminds me of Shouso Strip

As the song progresses, not immediately.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

On the other hand, the drumming (or maybe the rhythm section in general) is very TJ and reminds me a bit of "Killer Tune" in the faux Latin section (at least that's how I'm naming it at the moment).

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:29 (eleven years ago) link

I think this will surprise some of you. It's definitely not more smooth jazz funk glamor pop.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe this will be the western crossover album haha. . . Probably never going to happen unless they actually market it here.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

And actually, there's a lot of very interesting discussion (including translations of some sort of SR or TJ interview) relating to what they are up to now. Guess I am going to move over there in a moment.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

new song is hilariously good and hey wow big surprise I totally love '3 minutes' now

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 02:06 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, good stuff.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

Definitely go check out the interview article kuro_neko translated. There's some good stuff in it about TJ's creative process, with SR being almost Ra-esque in the exercises she comes up with for the band.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 02:10 (eleven years ago) link

Could you point me to that?

Nhex, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:48 (eleven years ago) link

It's part of this thread here:

http://forums.electricmole.net/showthread.php?p=65240#post65240

It looks like some of the info. is from liner notes (from the single?) and some is from some sort of interview.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:52 (eleven years ago) link

Starts with Post #563.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:53 (eleven years ago) link

thanks!

Nhex, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:54 (eleven years ago) link

Probably I am going way overboard with the Ra comparison (trying to link two favorite artists), now that I re-read those posts.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:57 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not sure exactly what I think of this new song, but I keep wanting to hear it over and over again.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

Does anyone know where else I can stream the new song? The youtube video is down and I can't find the imeem site I was just listening to last night. Maybe they got sick of me playing the song over and over again. Or if anyone wants to send me a link for a download. . . (I do definitely expect to buy the album, but I'll probably skip buying the EP.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 3 December 2009 00:34 (eleven years ago) link

Up again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAZZ6NbDmRs

Oh my god, I love this song!

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:05 (eleven years ago) link

amazing how similar the japanse phonetic word for semen is to its english equivalent!

brooklyn we go ham (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 5 December 2009 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've never really thought about it, oddly enough. I assume it's a borrowing.

Am listening to Muzai Moratorium for the first time in a while and it's sounding really good. Funny how it sounds like the sort of album everybody obviously would know about it--except it's not. Flew right under the radar outside Japan (and maybe a couple other Asian countries).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 19 December 2009 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

Except I'm not listening to Muzai Moratorium, I'm listening to Shouso Strip, and I've done this before haven't I? I just woke up.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

That's why it sounded good!

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 01:10 (eleven years ago) link

That's unfair. Muzai Moratorium is all right, I just don't forgive how butchered "Koufukuran" is on that record. Also I don't forgive "Koko de Kisu shite" for its inane existence.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

I have to admit I cringe when "Koko de Kisu Shite" comes on.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 01:32 (eleven years ago) link

Cringe and generally skip to the next track.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 01:32 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe they should reissue that album with a bonus deletion.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GIVE UP ON YOU, SO NEVER SAY GOODBYE AND KISS ME ONCE AGAAAAIN.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 02:18 (eleven years ago) link

I sort of find it fascinating because everyone I've ever talked to that song about has talked about her Alanis worship. Which is visible, it's just made much worse by its filtering through J-pop traditions of the time and those awful "Eastern"-approximating strings. And lyrically it's so much less tolerable than her Kurt and Courtney aside on "Gips." Which has a chorus that is a monster that has remnants of me in its teeth, so, you know, talk about Kurt and Courtney all you want Shiina Ringo, just break me down with your song.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GIVE UP ON YOU, SO NEVER SAY GOODBYE AND KISS ME ONCE AGAAAAIN.

Belt it, girl!

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 03:03 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgVZ9a1R0QM

Just wanted to post the "Koufukuran" video, because it marked a shift for me, removed me from the pose of "I am fine with just Karuki Samen and Tokyo Jihen's Kyoiku because they are weird and beautiful and that is what I want from Shiina Ringo." I watched this out of curiosity toward her initial singles, and discovered that it isn't weird and beautiful, but it's an incredible pop song (I had to hold back from saying "perfect").

One week later I had secured every goddamn thing she had ever released to my iTunes library.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 04:30 (eleven years ago) link

I like both versions of "Koufukuran," but thanks for reminding me of the video (EP?) version, because I hadn't heard it for a while. As for weirdness, the video is at least a bit weird. I'm pretty sure this was one of the huge batch of videos I watched back in the spring of 2006 that immediately hooked me in to Shiina Ringo and Tokyo Jihen.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 20 December 2009 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, big ups to Youtube, without which I would not be a Ringo fan myself. Think I was searching Zazen Boys videos when Tokyo Jihen's "Himitsu" came up. I heard it and spoke only in "holy fuck"s for the next few days.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2009 04:40 (eleven years ago) link

yeah the videos are key to the shiina love!

TS: Aozora (b-side) vs. Aozora (etsuraku hen, live)

Nhex, Sunday, 20 December 2009 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

Is there a DVD available of all the promos?

MaresNest, Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

not all on one -- the Watashi No Hatsuden DVD has the PVs for all the singles, but it lacks a lot of my favorite clips like 'Tsumiki Asobi', 'Meisai', 'Identity', 'Sigma'. Each of her 4 albums' clips are compiled on the Sekitai Healing Vol 1-4 DVDs. But I'd say money's better spent on the live DVDs first, like 'Dynamite Out'. Endless blather about most of the DVDs upthread.

http://www.yesasia.com/global/watashi-no-hatsuden-hong-kong-version/1011222206-0-0-0-en/info.html

Official title : スポーツ (Sports)
Out February 24, 2010

・生きる to live ikiru
・電波通信 radio transmission denpa tsuushin
・シーズンサヨナラ sayonara season shiizon sayonara
・勝ち戦 victory kachiikusa
・F.O.U.L
・能動的三分間 an active 3min (official=3min) noudoutekisanpunkan
・F.A.I.R
・乗り気 eagerness noriki
・スイートスポット sweet spot suiito supotto
・閃光少女 flashing girl senkou shoujo
・極まる the end kiwamaru
ほか全13曲

translated by kuro_neko, from electric mole forums

Milton Parker, Monday, 21 December 2009 08:31 (eleven years ago) link

Shiina Ringo became famous in the late 1990s as a relatively talented singer-songwriter, but for her third album, she self-produced what is absolutey the most avant-garde, most conceptual, most confrontational and most well-considered album that has ever been released under the J-Pop rubric. Unfortunately, however, her teenybopper fans did not understand the musical and lyrical complexity, and the indie scene refused to believe that such a mainstream singer could offer something truly innovative. The album ultimately fell through the pop cultural cracks but certainly marks the high-water mark for the entire enterprise of Japanese mass market music.

http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/play/6-most-underrated-japanese-albums-00s-702098#ixzz0afFFD6QS

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 December 2009 02:39 (eleven years ago) link

nice! i always meant to listen to that shugo tokumaru album too

Nhex, Friday, 25 December 2009 02:54 (eleven years ago) link

I was unfamiliar with this Macdonald Duck Eclair band, but that one track sounds prety interesting, so I'm checking through all the videos he links to. (I want to check out the related review of the best recent Thai bands.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 December 2009 02:57 (eleven years ago) link

i had to laugh that the only video he could find was an Audiosurf playthrough

Nhex, Friday, 25 December 2009 03:04 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/m/00/19/TOCT-26940.jpg

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:53 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

has leaked and is now quite easy to find.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 02:39 (eleven years ago) link

thx d00d.

Nhex, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:08 (eleven years ago) link

Don't want to influence anyone overly much, but I find this album really disappointing.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:16 (eleven years ago) link

ha ha 'Sweet Spot' oh my goodness

Milton Parker, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:31 (eleven years ago) link

I hope that means you agree that song is awful.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:31 (eleven years ago) link

her most awkward english language song EVER

time will tell but there are way too many fantastic songs on this for me to feel disappointed

Milton Parker, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:36 (eleven years ago) link

though yeah definitely ever closer to straight-up J-pop -- not even the passing token 'weird' production moments that felt thrown in on Superficial Gossip

two weeks ago on a long van trip my friend Martin did a really cruel but probably pitch accurate impression of me from a few years ago when we watched the Electric Mole DVD that he & D. had brought back for me from Japan: 'She's really weird! She's really really weird! Well ok this part's kinda normal but wait here comes the really weird part' (mimics utterly pedestrian kawaii vocals, then rolls his eyes)

Milton Parker, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:06 (eleven years ago) link

I'm losing the faith rapidly.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:14 (eleven years ago) link

ok i'll unbookmark this until i get a chance to listen

Nhex, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:14 (eleven years ago) link

Sorry. I'm really getting bored with their sound, tired of indulging certain (uninteresting) quirks, etc.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:16 (eleven years ago) link

There's some beautiful playing here and there, but I generally don't like the overall songs frameworks in which it occurs.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:18 (eleven years ago) link

well as per usual with her stuff I'm totally confused to find myself listening to this kind of music but I like it

Milton Parker, Sunday, 14 February 2010 08:36 (eleven years ago) link

The band's songwriting is way too inferior to Shiina Ringo's songwriting (once upon a time anyway). I feel like I'm getting more of a handle on their sound, and it's becoming less interesting in the process. I almost think there were better songs on Variety but they just needed production and realization closer to what you get on this album. (Although I realize I am falling into the familiar western-fan pattern of: "Even the last one was better than this one. . .")

All of the interview talk about taking risks (my possibly over-optimistic paraphrase) on this new album and giving one another challenges and so on, seems like a lot of mumbo-jumbo.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 00:52 (eleven years ago) link

Back to Sakir Oner Gunhan for me.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 00:58 (eleven years ago) link

well when Shiina stopped writing music on the last album, they got away with all the multiple authors by making the album concept 'Variety'. but this time the concept & production is gunning for something seemingly more coherent and it only underlines that these are just a bunch of tunes. no problem with settling for being a simple & classy artesian J-pop band (if I were into more of the songs)

'3 Minutes' is amazing though, if you haven't played that on good speakers yet, get ready

at least now that it's 2010 it's easier to start safely saying that 'Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana' was without question the most amazing pop album of the last decade, right?

Milton Parker, Monday, 15 February 2010 05:47 (eleven years ago) link

& not to dismiss this new album outright which I have only heard three times in less than 24 hours, '3 Minutes' needed two weeks to grow on me

Milton Parker, Monday, 15 February 2010 05:49 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not even going to buy a copy of this after all, I really think it's that lame. "3 min" is pretty good though.

I do agree about KZK, although considering how little actual current pop I listen to, how much does my opinion matter?

Do you think Tokyo Jihen will keep on going after this? I am kind of hoping they break up, but I think this will do well commercially.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 06:04 (eleven years ago) link

The funny thing is, I was thinking of finally starting a dedicated Tokyo Jihen thread, but now I have lost all motivation.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

Hi guys.

I kind of forgot this album was even on its way so my expectations may have been a bit modest. As such, it sounded good this morning but sort of serialized; another album from a band I admire a lot w/ some surprises, good & bad, but def. settled in a familiar groove. Try as I might to find a counter-angle to the consensus story (i.e. heart will never fully dislodge from early S. Ringo solo career - every album, a paradigm shift - etc.) I really am pleased w/ them in a more complacent sort of way. Just rolling along to some neat UFO FX & hooks, some crafty J-pop... like, it may be my dwindling investment, but if you put Shiina's last one & the four Jihen albums on shuffle, I doubt I'd feel too strongly about where the peaks & valleys were. Dynamic but static (Rudipherous OTM re:quirks, though I can't put them down), whereas a sharp volte-face could smack things into perspective a bit.

xcixxorx, Monday, 15 February 2010 06:19 (eleven years ago) link

Has anyone made the obvious comparison between the intro. to Ikiru and Mr. Bungle's California (or one or two of the songs on that)? It's been a while since I've heard California though so I could be hearing a stronger similarity than actually exists.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 23:43 (eleven years ago) link

I'm probably being too harsh about this album, and it probably does have to do with my own hopes and expectations. Overall, it probably is better than Variety. The songs where they are going for drive actually have a lot of drive (whereas somehow on Variety, they didn't have enough drive.) I still think it's all a bit unexciting. And then you hit this "No one knows how I live my life" crap and Shiina's tired growl. Who wrote this one? No more, please.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 February 2010 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

I'm probably being too harsh about this album

Nah, not by much. (Okay, sorry, I'll stay away from this thread unless I have something new to say.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

at least now that it's 2010 it's easier to start safely saying that 'Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana' was without question the most amazing pop album of the last decade, right?

anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

saying that, i wonder if it will be another decade before anyone else actually realises this

anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 00:22 (eleven years ago) link

I'm listening to Muzai Moratorium at the moment, something I haven't heard for a while, and what a contrast between this incredible album and the last four SR (counting HF) and TJ albums.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 27 February 2010 11:54 (eleven years ago) link

And it's not that I think she should be doing stuff now that sounds exactly like this. I just wish she were doing things that sound as good as this.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 27 February 2010 11:55 (eleven years ago) link

Incidentally, you know what to do: ALL-NEW FREEFORM (SORTA) 1990s ALBUMS POLL: THE BANNS

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

Adult is such a great album. I'm not exactly feeling the need to convince anyone, just the need to say it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 13 March 2010 08:10 (eleven years ago) link

Bring back the Shiina Ringo dictatorship!

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 13 March 2010 08:11 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

In case you missed it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/mar/25/japanese-pop-women

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 27 March 2010 11:21 (eleven years ago) link

Having listened to Sports a few times now, I'm definitely in the contented camp - agree with Milton and xcixxorx. It's true that she and TJ seem to have basically settled on the same songwriting/production quirks, and this album is closer to jpop/anime OP standard than any of her recent work. I don't really have a big problem with this, tbh! If she keeps making music of this quality for the rest of her career, I can't really complain, it's still very enjoyable.

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but there isn't a single record in the SR/TJ discography I didn't eventually like, if not love outright. So much of it is stone cold motherfuckin' classic, even if she retired now she's given plenty to the world. But considering she's only 31 years old, I'm not too concerned about it - she's got a lot of songwriting ahead.

Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 09:06 (eleven years ago) link

i think you're otm there; i'm totally happy with her settling into this groove (for the time being) but considering how much adventurousness she packed into the last 10+ years i am fully confident that she will be kicking open the trap door of my mind for years to come

bodacious cowboy (hobbes), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 10:31 (eleven years ago) link

it's also worth mentioning as it's barely come up on this thread, or in the english-speaking fan forums -- her last four releases slow turn towards formal j-pop that has so pissed off her english fan base have all been #1's in Japan and have pretty much reconsolidated her position as one of the most important pop figures in the history of j-pop. After the first two Jihen albums she was increasingly getting seen & covered as a fringe / cult figure who'd had one huge breakthrough album followed by a bunch of strangeness, so between Jihen delivering #1 hits and Ringo doing huge stadium tours of her hugest songs, the last four years has basically established her a mainstream career for life in Japan

some western fans want to read that as selling out or turning against her authentically weird roots but it seems like a long term move. the last four albums are way closer to j-pop than I ever would have gotten into cold, but yeah she took me with her, each of them have had at least 3 or 4 utterly addictive songs I can't stop playing so not only does it feel shallow to complain about her direction, it feels like missing the point.

that being said, picked up the CD for 'Sports', and for me those four songs are the opening track, '3 Minutes', 'Zettai Zetsumei', and the big closer. on the whole the album's more about the production than the songwriting, I missed most of the details with the mp3's -- Kameda's bassline on '3 Minutes', and the way the disco kicks in full tilt on 'Zettai Zetsumei', so satisfying

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

also, weirdly -- album version of the opening track 'Ikuru' tacks on a minute long instrumental coda that wasn't on the leaked mp3's, and it tracks directly into the opening of track #2. It's really over the top Vegas vamping, though -- not sure it's an improvement, but it's a major difference

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

This TJ Special on Music Japan has helped bring me around to Sports, it's worth a look.

http://sadisticgossip.blogspot.com/2010/03/tokyo-jihen-20100228-music-japan.html

You Weaked It! (MaresNest), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

longer Ikiru? Goddamnit.

Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

(as in now I have to go hunt this down)

Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

Also, is there a good source for the sales numbers of those albums? Only thing I saw was Wikipedia which said all four TJ albums made it to #1 or 2 on both Soundscan and Oricon, but I'd rather see more exact numbers. I'm just generally aware that her first few solo albums were million-sellers and pretty much everything TJ and after sold far less.

Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

hard to gauge since everything's selling less -- these days you can hit #1 there with 150-200,000 apparently? I don't know of a compiled list, I just remember the posts to EM in the weeks after each album & the discussions from the posters who lived in Japan discussing the campaigns / media reception to each album

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

& as for hunting down the CD, actually I'd say it's the opposite, people who have the CD should track down the mp3's.

also, most modest & underthought CD packaging for a Jihen album -ever-. one halfway funny picture of them in track suits, another one of them with their backs to the camera, even the font for the lyrics is kind of plain looking. usually the booklets / first-presses are worth $30 to me, but not this time around

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

except who am I kidding, like I'm going to stop buying them now. I should seperately insure the 'sh' section of my CD shelving rack

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

each of them have had at least 3 or 4 utterly addictive songs I can't stop playing so not only does it feel shallow to complain about her direction, it feels like missing the point.

How is it "shallow" to complain about her current direction?! Just because the past few albums have had three or four really good songs that hook you in? I don't get that. I agree that there have still been some really good songs on recent albums, but I expect more from SR. I don't want an album with three or four strong songs mixed with "Sweet Spot" and a bunch of other mediocrity.

As far as this phase of her career re-consolidating her position in j-pop, that's interesting, but it doesn't particularly matter to me (although I guess it could indirectly be a positive if it allows her to eventually put out better material or just keep on putting out a cluster of good tracks here and there).

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

Just because she's Japanese doesn't mean we all have to be completely loyal to the corporation forever.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 23:45 (eleven years ago) link

It's worth noting that J-pop on the whole was also probably more interesting during the days of her early solo career. At the time I could even think of her as part of a field where other similarly accomplished (i.e. fun, slightly alternative) music was being made. Then it made less sense to think of her that way as she was clearly up to something else.

Even though TJ is popular & their sound is growing more accessible, I still can't really think of them as J-pop next to the likes of Koda Kumi or whatever. I sort of get the suspicion that she just really loves pop music (in the general sense) & is more assured & less bothered than before w/ approaching that material head-on. So maybe that comes across as misguided chutzpah w/ straight rock & jazz & r&b whereas before there was possibly some tortured internal art-slant on making tunes.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

hey sir -- wasn't actually thinking of your posts as much as how unreadable Electric Mole forum became after Variety came out -- and shallow's not the right word for them either, it was almost shocking the degree to which those kids felt betrayed, they really turned on her, endless bile and outrage. but they're all still at the forum.

one of the main reasons I like her is because of the scale she's always worked on, not just getting to open concerts with an insane chorus of children assembled for just the first 1.5 songs but getting to do it for 20,000 at Budokan. so yeah while I am mildly unnerved by how easily the Vegas stuff comes to her (I skipped the 'Expo 08' DVD), it's not like I can watch those unbelievably magic Budokan clips and then turn my back when the coin flips over

Milton Parker, Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:25 (eleven years ago) link

xpost -- yeah me calling them j-pop, that is relative, and good point about how scary their mainstream's gotten in the last 10 years

Milton Parker, Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't think you were necessarily aiming those comments at me, but since I too complain, to some extent, about her direction, I figured I was included. I know what you mean about the level of vitriol on Electric Mole (and I don't hate Variety the way most of those folks do, though I do think it's very weak and problematic), and I don't have the same sense of betrayal, so maybe I don't need to defend myself here after all. (I was actually trying to stay off this thread for this latest round of comments, but the "superficial" thing got to me.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

(I know what you mean about the level of vitriol on Electric Mole

Not to mention the adolescent "Uki is gay" type comments from certain posters.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

I only visited the Electric Mole forums once, in lieu of Sanmon Gossip's release. As a young Smashing Pumpkins-head who frequented related message boards, resplendent with polls and disputes, which were all heat and nothing, I found a great deal of comparable matter in Electric Mole, particularly the restless and antithetical attitude of the betrayed, how they engage and immediately make necessary distance, and how they stand in rabid opposition to the remaining factions of unreasoned fandom.

Okay so it was like every fan message board ever. But regardless of how it resembles the whole, it is a bad scene.

Meanwhile, everytime I hear "OSCA" or "Killer Tune" (I sometimes am blinded by how much the song lives up to its title), I remember Variety in warm and glowing tones which don't actually exist. It's really a record that exhausts you with all its nothing by the halfway point. But those singles!

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 April 2010 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Man, sometimes Kameda's bass playing just jumps out at me, and it's happening as I listen once again to Adult. Not anything to add, but I don't normally tend to flip out that much over bass players.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 30 April 2010 22:57 (ten years ago) link

Sports is not terrible, just very...light and I wish it was less poppy. It seems set to me that she's definitely changed direction now with the band set-up. I wouldn't be surprised to see one more solo album from her, at least before she officially retires. Or maybe not, because she already 'officially' retired. Considering how random she is, I wonder where she will be in ten years' time, if Tokyo Jihen will still be around then

OscarTeym, Saturday, 1 May 2010 15:58 (ten years ago) link

Allaboutjazz likes teh Pe'z"

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=36320

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:13 (ten years ago) link

I think I'd be happy if Sports were just differently poppy. If anything, it seems too muso/prog/fusion-y for me, though I liked precisely those things as they were put together on Adult, so I don't know.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:14 (ten years ago) link

I guess there really should be a Tokyo Jihen thread. Kind of ridiculous putting Pe'z references under Shiina Ringo. (Kind of, but then again I would not have heard of the band otherwise, most likely.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:15 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

It was originally a Shiina Ringo fan's claims that Janelle Monae was the closest thing to an American Shiina Ringo that initially got me to listen to the Metropolis EP. I wasn't really into it, and didn't quite see the connection. Now that the ArchAndroid is out, I see much more similarity. (I do think Janelle Monae is far more reliable as a vocalist.) This seems like the sort of album Shiina Ringo wants to be making now, or should be making. To get really specific, "Faster and Faster" sounds like a song Tokyo Jihen wanted to write for their latest album. And as someone on Electric Mole pointed out, it even has a sound in the bridge that is very close to the beginning of "Noudouteki Sanpunkan."

confusion is a walrus (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 30 May 2010 00:03 (ten years ago) link

Not that Tokyo Jihen could do anything as funky as the funkier songs here, but that's not really the comparison I'm making anyway. (Kameda could probably hold his own in a funk/R&B context, competing with African-American musicians working in that music. Not sure about the rest.)

confusion is a walrus (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 30 May 2010 00:09 (ten years ago) link

Funny you should mention that, I was thinking similar things - waiting for Metropolis from my local library.

Nhex, Sunday, 30 May 2010 01:18 (ten years ago) link

I hadn't made an explicit Monae/Ringo connection, but I did post something on Twitter about how people who like Janelle Monae who aren't listening to current J-pop are missing out.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, 30 May 2010 02:34 (ten years ago) link

What other J-pop do you think it similar to Monae?

confusion is a walrus (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 30 May 2010 02:37 (ten years ago) link

I wouldn't point to anyone who's doing exactly what she's doing, but if you like Monae's stylistic jumpiness you're likely to enjoy Ayumi Hamasaki, whose albums are much more multifaceted than might be expected. Her new one, Rock 'n' Roll Circus, is pretty damn crazy.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, 30 May 2010 02:54 (ten years ago) link

Not that Tokyo Jihen could do anything as funky as the funkier songs here

Their bassist (or rather, Ringo's bassist for her entire recording career) is funky as hell!

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 May 2010 03:28 (ten years ago) link

That's who the Kameda I mentioned is.

confusion is a walrus (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 30 May 2010 03:30 (ten years ago) link

There I go, not reading someone's whole post.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 May 2010 03:33 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

New Tokyo Jihen TV theme song can be heard faintly in the background of this trailer:

http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/atami/news/

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 4 July 2010 22:30 (ten years ago) link

Sounds pretty typical of her sound. Words in English, unfortunately. But it's too soon to judge, obviously.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 4 July 2010 22:32 (ten years ago) link

Bump because I just noticed Milton Parker online and haven't seen him around lately.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 5 July 2010 21:56 (ten years ago) link

hey it's the Shiina Ringo thread. thanks for posting trace of new song, it sounds like them

I've mostly been listening to field recordings of animals & other choral music recently (david hykes remaster of 'hearing solar winds' is worth hearing even if you think the original is unbeatable), but planning a road trip soon and I'm bringing KZK. and that hideous Perfume song that someone posted the video for on the other J-Pop thread, the one where they're shopping... truly horrifying but I downloaded it and I play it

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 July 2010 22:30 (ten years ago) link

Oh yeah, that one. Somehow I haven't fallen for its charms yet.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 5 July 2010 22:40 (ten years ago) link

(i.e., I think you are all crazy)

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 5 July 2010 22:41 (ten years ago) link

it's less charming than usefully symptomatic

Milton Parker, Monday, 5 July 2010 22:45 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think this is pretty bad (and I wish the Japanese weren't so infatuated with their singers singing in English):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMH_Q5MiUQ

The band sounds okay and everything, but not much of a song really and her vocals are annoying.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 July 2010 12:43 (ten years ago) link

Doing theme music for a TV detective show might just be the one thing that could bring out the absolute worst in SR and Tokyo Jihen.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 July 2010 12:45 (ten years ago) link

Sometimes it feels as though she has intentionally embraced mediocrity.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 July 2010 13:03 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

I hadn't heard this live version of "Kimaru" (my favorite track on Sports that hadn't been previously released). Pretty nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsWRXH2HIE

For all my complaining, I would pay a lot of money to see them live. And if anything, the ridiculous amount of talent in the band is what makes me frustrated when they don't live up to what I think is their potential. (I'm all TJ-reactivated since one of my nieces responded well to some videos I sent her.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 15:17 (ten years ago) link

OSCA is an all time great vid, read that there's a new TJ live DVD out, is this from it?

MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 October 2010 15:22 (ten years ago) link

Possibly. I only just found it while doing a youtube search for Kimaru videos. I haven't been following their story very closely after Sports left a bad taste in my mouth, but I guess I have to keep paying attention.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 15:32 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoGZIwLWvt0

"I want to become a pizza delivery man's girlfriend." Hahaha.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:50 (ten years ago) link

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to connote, if anything.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:50 (ten years ago) link

Also, Uki seems to be jamming more than usual on this live OSCA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoGZIwLWvt0

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 17:39 (ten years ago) link

That was meant to be this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVdubQGlOI

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:45 (ten years ago) link

Even her count-ins have symmetry.

MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 October 2010 23:07 (ten years ago) link

Worst Tokyo Jihen costumes ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVatwqiw7ds

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 23:31 (ten years ago) link

Phase II has touched the sacred "Sounan" and it doesn't sound bad, though Dynamite Out! still owns this one, I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbEUbulkGg

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 10 October 2010 01:34 (ten years ago) link

"Zettaizetumei" from Sports sounds pretty good here too, I have to admit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lERlAzuc1qU&NR=1

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 10 October 2010 01:43 (ten years ago) link

Ultra C (which has the above Kimaru, Zettai Zetsumei, the alt. Sounan, etc.) might be their best DVD, end to end. The only real low point is Sweet Spot, but that song's hopeless. It got me to revisit Sports at least, which is something.

11spp, Monday, 11 October 2010 01:33 (ten years ago) link

Oh cool, that's good to hear, might get on EBay and grab a copy.

I think I might have mentioned it upthread, there are some Sports track performed live on 'Music Japan' which are downloadable from the Sadistic Gossip blog. Watching them somehow made me turn a corner wrt my low opinion of Sports, now I'm digging it. You are right about Sweet Spot though.

MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Monday, 11 October 2010 07:15 (ten years ago) link

Oh fuck, this is a great OSCA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsNlSfMylzU

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 04:10 (ten years ago) link

Seriously, does anyone understand the rationale behind these awful outfits? And I hate it when Shiina Ringo changes her beautiful hair color. Really strong performances though.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 04:30 (ten years ago) link

c'mon those outfits are great

lol at Uki's 'Walk This Way' reference @ 2:07

these Ultra C clips are still a little on the Vegas side, but this looks a lot less stiff than Expo '08, which was the first new Shiina DVD I knew I didn't need to buy

Didn't end up spending too much time with 'Sports' as an album but I listened to the song Zettaizetumei a lot

thanks for posting these, RS

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:14 (ten years ago) link

I have to admit, I don't care for SR's poutiness (isn't that a word) on the Zettaizetume clip. I also really hate what she's done to her appearance here, as I said before, and for some reason it makes me think she is unhappy. It just looks unhappy, but maybe that's just me.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 October 2010 15:34 (ten years ago) link

I like the fact that she sings the album's happiest disco song like it's an agonized ballad (I wonder what the lyrics are -- I like her lyrics more than ever

her current cypher is vegas torch singer and it is what it is, but it's not like she was ever projecting 'happy' back in the days of ol' crazy-eyes

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:50 (ten years ago) link

I know, it's not that her stage persona isn't projecting happiness but that somehow I'm reading actual personal unhappiness into this new image. Of course this could be 100% projection, not least because I am pretty unhappy at the moment. But I guess also there's the temptation to predict where she goes next, and I somehow see her veering away from this look, and maybe even sound, pretty quickly. (But that could just be wishful thinking, like all the Tokyo Jihen-haters who predicted they'd never put out a third album, or even a second I think.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:58 (ten years ago) link

It does make me wonder about the lyrics for that song. I have trouble judging the lyrics from the translation, but they generally seem really smart. (No surprise there.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 October 2010 18:04 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

I wonder what the lyrics are

Zettaizetsumei translation is now up:

http://www.nostalgic-lavender.net/ringo/zettaizetsumei.html

(Thanks Frecklegirl!)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 24 December 2010 02:58 (ten years ago) link

Also, new single coming out in February. I wish they'd put out another really good studio album (or, I dunno, put out a regular live album or live compilation or something).

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 24 December 2010 02:59 (ten years ago) link

while the title is an idiomatic phrase meaning "stalemate", the literal translation is "absolute despair"

thanks frecklegirl!

Milton Parker, Friday, 24 December 2010 07:46 (ten years ago) link

"Sounan" continues to amaze me. Easily one of my favorite songs from the last decade.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:52 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

OMG Shiina Ringo did a photo shoot at White Sands Monument in New Mexico! I've long fantasized abouot seeing Tokyo Jihen shooting a video here and having access to them because so few people would know who they were. Could happen.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 27 January 2011 01:45 (ten years ago) link

http://i54.tinypic.com/2yytnnr.jpg

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:15 (ten years ago) link

They should do a tour exclusively of New Mexico.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:21 (ten years ago) link

Preview of Shiina Ringo/Tokyo Jihen collaboration with Chiaki Kuriyama (I'm going to put the more interesting one first):

http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/?70006318_DFCL-1760&70006318_DFCL-1760_01SFL
http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/?70006318_DFCL-1759&70006318_DFCL-1759_01SFL

(This is all just coming via Electric Mole, obv.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 16:47 (ten years ago) link

Also I have no idea who Chiaki Kuriyama is but apparently she was in Kill Bill.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 16:48 (ten years ago) link

It's not as though SR has a surplus of good songs these days.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 16:53 (ten years ago) link

And here's the preview of the new Tokyo Jihen single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVmJMJULenA

It's really difficult to form any impression on the basis of this, but it sounds pretty commonplace.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 20:58 (ten years ago) link

The cooking eggs shot bothers me for some reason, but I was squeamish about eggs when I was a kid and have retained some of that (despite eating them, as long as they are cooked in ways I find acceptable, which definitely doesn't include hard-boiled or sunny side up--I don't want the yolk and the eggs too separated or it bothers me). Anyway, she's had lots of food in her videos over the years (maybe more with Tokyo Jihen than solo).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 21:01 (ten years ago) link

I wonder if TJ did in fact shoot any video footage at White Sands? Could've been for a different single.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 21:01 (ten years ago) link

Is Milton on vacation?

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 29 January 2011 21:03 (ten years ago) link

I obviously haven't been watching Electric Mole carefully enough. Actually, I think when I tried clicking on this before it didn't load and I just thought, meh whatever, I can wait.

http://ceron.jp/url/www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Lrj9kmxJM

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:27 (ten years ago) link

Whoa, yeah, that certainly looks like New Mexico.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:27 (ten years ago) link

Kameda, as an actor, has about one facial expression.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:30 (ten years ago) link

Pretty unexceptional song. Maybe their least distinctive so far. Hopefully I will have to withdraw that comment after listening more, but I don't know. . .

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:32 (ten years ago) link

Also, not sure why I didn't just do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Lrj9kmxJM

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:32 (ten years ago) link

A bit blah but not awful.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:46 (ten years ago) link

jesus christ how did this band get so fucking boring

miss u tokyo jihen mk 1

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 05:24 (ten years ago) link

Have you checked out any of the segments from the Ultra C dvd, on youtube? They definitely still are capable of great things in live performance. It does seem a bit perverse that they are putting out such quotidian singles though. Shiina Ringo seems pretty enthusiastic about making money these days, by any means necessary. Maybe motherhood has brought this out in her.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 05:30 (ten years ago) link

am downloading that chlorine semen chestnut album atm - will listen tomorrow

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 05:33 (ten years ago) link

Looking forward to all your crazy comments about it. :P

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 05:37 (ten years ago) link

wait, was it acoleuthic who was going crazy over the dreaming and hounds of love recently in one of the kate bush threads?

dude if that is so, then i am fucking excited for your liveblog of that particular shiina ringo record

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:30 (ten years ago) link

ok starting it now

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

I hope you are using headphones.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:21 (ten years ago) link

I am ^_^

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:22 (ten years ago) link

Shuukyou is fucking awesome, needless to say. Distorto-orch pop with a TUNE et demie. Unbelievably cool.

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:23 (ten years ago) link

omg this outro is mad! :D

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:24 (ten years ago) link

ok Doppelganger just went down the freaking rabbit-hole

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:26 (ten years ago) link

having begun track 3......alterna-dimension Mr Bungle is the best I'm coming up with. but poppier. this is truly unhinged and fantastic.

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:30 (ten years ago) link

I think a violin died just then :D

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:32 (ten years ago) link

Track 4 is simply gorgeous. :)

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:34 (ten years ago) link

oh no my VLC player died :(

aaaaa fuck you FLAC format

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:37 (ten years ago) link

:D awesome awesome awesome, Track 5 is cool as all hell

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:43 (ten years ago) link

the way the baroque arrangements play off that drum-machine beat is so goddamn breezy

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:44 (ten years ago) link

track 6 is a pleasant comedown from track 5's astounding heights - but there's so much still going on! bet this album is a grower...

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:49 (ten years ago) link

and it has an epic ending :P

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:49 (ten years ago) link

This single is a little generic and boring, but it was written by Kameda, and with the exception of "Toumei Ningen" from Adult, his songs tend to be rather generic J-pop ("Superstar," "Shiseikatsu," and "Senkou Shoujo"). For the record, I do think he's an excellent bass player.

I'm sure Ringo, Izawa, and Ukigumo will have more interesting compositions, as always.

Patrick South, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:51 (ten years ago) link

track 7 is a freaking delight - love when the beat drops, and the chord-changes near the end - lush! :D
track 8 builds on a Beatlesy melody into something mighty. the bridge is lovely and then the song comes back with even more melody and force. this album drips with melody, and melody from unexpected directions at that. then some killah bass comes and finishes it off! and a kind of didgeridoo deathdrone...
track 9 begins with the aforementioned drone and then another ominous bassline...but just as quickly, a heavenly pop melody bashes through the mix! haaaa! and this time, with a recorder offering counterpoint! KEYCHANGE
track 10 is again segued into. actually I think all the tracks segue, and do so beautifully - another great detail. oooh and fairground organs! for a song about a 'poltergeist'! heee. this one will stand or fall on its melodies - fortunately it has some rather choice ones. and the XTC string quartet piles in on cue as well...middle-eight is cuuuuute! yeah this is her '1000 Umbrellas' pretty much...
track 11 is clearly going to be the greatest thing ever from the intro alone. *immerses self within the insane digital sensefest* OMG CHURCH ORGAN OMG DRUMSSSSSS OMG ENDING

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:11 (ten years ago) link

Did you travel outside of your body during Souretsu (the last song)?

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:13 (ten years ago) link

all right so now you need to either seize Shouso Strip (which is basically about as weird but with a few more hat-tips to J-Pop ("Gips," "Honnou")) or Tokyo Jihen's Kyoiku (which is kind of completely fucking unhinged, uh, "rock")

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:17 (ten years ago) link

during the last song I kinda merged with the cosmos, like

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:30 (ten years ago) link

then you understood the lyrics! http://www.nostalgic-lavender.net/ringo/kalksamen.html

new TJ song is clearly supposed to be boring, the video is going to lengths to depict them as bored by their own music, all is going according to plan

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:25 (ten years ago) link

this morning's youtube break is Meisai!

studio PV
live (Baishou Ecstasy version)

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:32 (ten years ago) link

Haha, oh god no, not more of this mediocre show-tune stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RTb_QJhpO0

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:03 (ten years ago) link

Hata arrested! Hit a police officer after being arrested on suspicion of breaking into a house. I thought this was a joke at first, but it sounds like it's for real. How bizarre.

http://forums.electricmole.net/showthread.php?t=1610

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 12 February 2011 03:17 (ten years ago) link

I listened to Sanmon Gossip for the first time in a while today and while uneven and choked with floral arrangements, it's pretty great overall, particularly when it allows itself to get lost ("Togatta Teguchi," "Bonsai Hada").

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:39 (ten years ago) link

I have no intention of revisiting Sports, meanwhile, but I intend to see if Variety is still boring.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:40 (ten years ago) link

Sanmon Gossip and Variety both have some good-to-decent tracks, but I find them both uneven and unsatisfactory overall.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 12 February 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

goddamnit kameda why you gotta write this rote j-pop ballad and make it track 4

way to kill the momentum

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 20:36 (ten years ago) link

re: "Fukushuu"

why you gotta try to make this a dir en grey record, ukigumo.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 20:43 (ten years ago) link

Okay, so whenever I think of this record, I think, how can it be bad? The singles are incredible!

And then I remember that there's a track on this record with Ukigumo shouting.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 20:56 (ten years ago) link

fuuuuck "killer tune" is still so, so great

izawa definitely comes off as the best non-shiina writer in this band.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Eh, I can't agree with that. I haven't kept close track, but I think they're fairly closely matched.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:21 (ten years ago) link

this is probably posted elsewhere in this increasingly untenable thread, but if tokyo jihen mk 1 had stuck around to record adult:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY4VfDvHvZc

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 February 2011 22:17 (ten years ago) link

It's good, but I actually prefer the Adult version (and also think Adult is better than the debut).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 12 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

Chiaki Kuriyama/Shiina Ringo collaboration (SR wrote and produced and TJ are performing, if I understand correctly):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJGzjbigNAM

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 13 February 2011 15:33 (ten years ago) link

The Shiina Ringo thread where we are still embedded youtube whores.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 13 February 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

Even when there's nothing to see.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 13 February 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

Hirama working on a new project:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20110204a1.html

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 13 February 2011 22:31 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

New album soon?

Nhex, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 22:42 (nine years ago) link

Soon. End of the month, I think.

Protools of the Elders of Zion (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 23:00 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEC6QMgWCs

Don't like the video, not sure about the song. Maybe they will progress into being a really good ultra-commercial rock band.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:39 (nine years ago) link

I don't hate it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:42 (nine years ago) link

She appears to be singing in English but I am not sure of most of what she's singing, but at least her English isn't annoying here. Better to be incomprehensible (like plenty of English language songs by singers whose first language is English).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:43 (nine years ago) link

It does sound like Tokyo Jihen, but how many times can I make that mostly pointless comment?

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:43 (nine years ago) link

I like the video a bit more now that I've actually watched all of it. The slow-mo ending is my favorite part though. I still am not too impressed with it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:51 (nine years ago) link

so, so boring.

dammit.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:53 (nine years ago) link

I don't get what they're going for in that video

Nhex, Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:56 (nine years ago) link

I haven't been keeping up with Electric Mole, so it turns out there is more of this album on youtube already. (In fact, for all I know it might have leaked by now. I haven't gotten to the end of the thread.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozt6SPBZQ0U

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:24 (nine years ago) link

Just wanted to thank you guys for bumping this thread so many times over the years that it got me to finally check out Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana earlier this year. Loved it, and picked up a copy while in Japan this month. I also checked out ADULT and didn't like it as much, but I'll probably make my way through her/their other stuff and see if anything else grabs me.

Vinnie, Sunday, 26 June 2011 03:20 (nine years ago) link

http://motto-jimidane.com/jlab-maru/s/maru1309196052906.jpg

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 02:02 (nine years ago) link

'Brand New Civilization' is one of my favorite Jihen singles in forever. loved it the first time I heard it too.

the last two singles really had me scared but this has me psyched for the album (even if it's got all the songs from those singles strewn through it)

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 18:49 (nine years ago) link

Crazy fan boy.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 18:51 (nine years ago) link

really like that new song.

ryan, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 18:57 (nine years ago) link

I actually wondered what Milton would have to say about the song, so Milton, I'd be interested in your impressions. I don't mind the song, but I don't think it's too good or special either.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 19:05 (nine years ago) link

well it's the same old self-questioning thing, would I have listened twice to things like 'kono yo no kagiri' & 'killer tune' & 'metro' if they hadn't come from the person who gave us KZK. even the most ridiculously twee songs work for me because, coming from her, you can hear the darker undercurrents. so even though Jihen albums seem less cohesive now than they used to, each one still has a few songs that I find to be more than just pop songs, they're really emotional for me.

frecklegirl's lyrics site help with this. when the happiest disco song on Sports turned out to be named 'Absolute Despair', things like that keep me a fan boy

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 19:30 (nine years ago) link

I feel like if I had just been more psychic, I could have bumped into Shiina Ringo while she was in New Mexico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6VREu3vjIg

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:49 (nine years ago) link

On first listen (in progress), enjoying the new album more than I expected. I have a feeling I will end up liking this one more than Sports.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 June 2011 03:53 (nine years ago) link

it's great and it's normal, time will tell

Milton Parker, Thursday, 30 June 2011 08:03 (nine years ago) link

so many english songs this time! 'Dreadful Adults' is so great

Milton Parker, Thursday, 30 June 2011 08:14 (nine years ago) link

"Rejoice and be glad"

Milton Parker, Thursday, 30 June 2011 08:15 (nine years ago) link

I don't think I'd say great, but we'll see.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 June 2011 14:29 (nine years ago) link

I definitely like it more than Variety or Sports, already, but that's not saying much.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 June 2011 14:30 (nine years ago) link

"Dreadful Adults," great? Really? Shiina Ringo's vocals seem really weak there, although the band sounds great at time. It's a nice smooth Adult style sound, but a bit throw away, I'd say.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 1 July 2011 15:58 (nine years ago) link

& oh jesus these generic show-tunes. Aaaaaaagh. How did we get here? My favorite consistently disappointing band.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 1 July 2011 16:10 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

bought a physical copy of 'discovery'. packaging is better than 'sports'.

and y'know, as the music gets more whatever it is, showtuney, her lyrics keep getting more extreme

which makes up for the songs on this one which I know I am never going to let myself get used to

and 'dreadful adults' is the track is this album's 'absolute despair'

Milton Parker, Friday, 29 July 2011 08:20 (nine years ago) link

is it is

Milton Parker, Friday, 29 July 2011 08:20 (nine years ago) link

That seems like a really conceptual way of appreciating the music, when you can't actually understand the lyrics. For me, merely knowing that the lyrics say this or that without the immediacy of hearing them unfold in a language I understand just doesn't do a whole lot.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 29 July 2011 14:47 (nine years ago) link

Still haven't heard the new record, am visiting Japan in a month so I'm gonna wait and buy it there, TJ are touring too but I'll miss it by a few weeks apparently, bah!

solfege made me schizophrenic (MaresNest), Friday, 29 July 2011 14:54 (nine years ago) link

on the new one, I am getting used to the songs that I knew I would never get used to.

still feels more like a collection of songs than an album -- but this one is definitely opening up in a way that 'Sports' didn't

Milton Parker, Thursday, 4 August 2011 06:58 (nine years ago) link

way too easy to take this band for granted

Milton Parker, Thursday, 4 August 2011 07:05 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Where did this review come from? Allmusic catching up.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/adult-r1013293/review

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 10 September 2011 22:54 (nine years ago) link

Don't think I've ever seen this one before and it's pretty crazy. I'll probably buy a bunch of the DVDs at some point. At least I currently have a better DVD set-up, plus a more sound-insulated apartment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyhFAzdYMqs

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 06:15 (nine years ago) link

okay maybe a bit too silly, plus she gets into her uneven English here.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 06:23 (nine years ago) link

I was in Japan recently, made a trip to Disk Union in Tokyo and grabbed myself the Gekokujou Xstasy DVD, a couple of the clips compilations and the single 3cd box that looks like CD-Rs. Could have easily gone mental with it, but I noticed there is another TJ DVD just out, is this from it?

solfege made me schizophrenic (MaresNest), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 09:24 (nine years ago) link

This looks like it's from a familiar TJ concert DVD (Virgin Line, is it? Milton would know), but just happens to be a segment I haven't seen before. But you could be right, maybe it simply wasn't made available until now. I haven't read up on the new TJ DVD(s?).

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 15:17 (nine years ago) link

Or: I don't know.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 15:17 (nine years ago) link

that's the version of 'Kenka Joutou' from 'Just Can't Help It', the concert DVD that came out after 'Adult'. I love the spoken word intro but the metal middle 8 is pretty ridiculous. That one is not one of the better DVDs, still hard to believe they released that instead of 'Domestic Virgin Line'.

haven't been keeping up with the DVDs for a while but the youtubes from the 'Ultra C' DVD looked ok

looks like there's a new Ringo Shiina CD single coming out on November 2nd called 'Carnation'
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=TOCT-45045

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 16:07 (nine years ago) link

I am not stoked.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 16:10 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

I have kind of been ignoring the fact that there was supposed to be a new single out. Not really feeling this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2kaTsMxUHQ

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:10 (nine years ago) link

In fact, I'd say it sucks.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:58 (nine years ago) link

I like it, does this mean there's a rekkid coming?

sleigh tracks (1933-1969) (MaresNest), Monday, 24 October 2011 09:25 (nine years ago) link

This cut from the new EP is much better than "Carnation":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34BVyR0K_9c

Listen to it before it gets taken down. Not exactly in love with this vocal style, but can kind of go along with it in this context. Lots of cool stuff happening.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:00 (nine years ago) link

This is the best new song I've heard from SR or TJ for a little while.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:05 (nine years ago) link

Is this the one where she's singing in French? Glad I don't understand French, if so.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:07 (nine years ago) link

This song is: 私の愛するひと (Watashi no Aisuru Hito)

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:09 (nine years ago) link

Sounds pretty Sanmon Gossipy but at the moment I like it more than anything from that album.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:18 (nine years ago) link

It's kind of "Latin," the piano especially.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:19 (nine years ago) link

This is not bad. I don't remember this performance being up before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmZDx7ZK7BY

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 05:52 (nine years ago) link

This is the best new song I've heard from SR or TJ for a little while.

yep. also the production's way more disjointed than anything on sanmon gossip

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:59 (nine years ago) link

the actual single is shiina showtune autopilot, which is a shame

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2011 17:03 (nine years ago) link

I agree about the single. "Watashi no Aisuru Hito" is still kind of weak as a tune. I keep having trouble remembering how it goes--at all. It doesn't have the melodic strength of her earlier solo work (or a lot of her writing for Tokyo Jihen), but there's enough happening to keep things interesting.

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 5 November 2011 17:12 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

new 5 song EP / new live DVD / CD 'Best Live Selection'

and then they announce they're breaking up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2BlA1WIGgY&feature=related

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:59 (nine years ago) link

Oh, I missed the best live CD thing. Hopefully they go out with a bang.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:22 (nine years ago) link

'much noise for nothing'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:05 (nine years ago) link

first time she's committed suicide in a video in quite a while. and: she has replaced her mole

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:14 (nine years ago) link

Did I miss something (in the video--I definitely had missed that they had formally announced they were breaking up)? I don't think she commits suicide in that video. Kills someone else, yes. I guess that's the band, symbolically.

Kind of sad and glad at the same time. What a frustrating band they have been.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:36 (nine years ago) link

Hadn't listened until now, home. Not impressed with the song.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:36 (nine years ago) link

kinda sad... i guess it was kind of inevitable. ah well, i'm sure she'll put out at least another 10 albums in her career, so i can't feel too bad... but the last few jihen/SR albums have been kinda stagnant

can i say, i have really not dug her looks for the last couple of years

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 03:24 (nine years ago) link

by looks i mean the obsessive use of 40s themes, hair dye, etc.

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 03:24 (nine years ago) link

Meanwhile, new Shiina ballet music. No singing:

http://spacehalo.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/between-today-and-tomorrow-preview/

Can't find this on youtube at the moment. And this, well, the dress is kind of fun:

http://vimeo.com/34417460

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:04 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

• What's the last thing a drummer says in a band?
"Hey guys, why don't we try one of my songs?

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:12 (nine years ago) link

<3 Hata, amazing amazing drummer. His only composition/vocal for Jihen is the last track on their last release of new material Color Bars and it is hard to know what to make of that entire EP.

Tokyo Collection CD: (I dig Uki's look here)

http://www.jpopasia.com/img/album-covers/2/15839-tokyocollection-3j4r.jpg

Discovery BluRay:

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/10/04/TOXF-5723.jpg

Can't wait for the track list of 'Tokyo Collection' compiling live versions 2004-2011. First pressing already sold out at cd japan.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:24 (nine years ago) link

http://kronekodow.com/english/gaiko/colorbars_interview.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 01:40 (nine years ago) link

Incidents Tokyo, which has provided us five tour-de-force albums around the theme of television channels, ‘Education,’ ‘Adult,’ ‘Variety,’ ‘Sports,’ and ‘Discovery,’ put an end to programming with this album, ‘color bars.’

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 01:40 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLhJTM3xDk&feature=related

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 23:15 (nine years ago) link

Once again, it's amazing just how perfect they sound in live performances. Yes, I guess I mean that in a muso way. The weakest link here is Shiina's belting which I'm not really enjoying much. I do find myself like this performance more than the studio version, even so.

I know someone who is going to Kyoto (next month I think) for an international studies program. I got her to listen to some SR/TJ and the one thing she really liked was the Dynamite Out version of "Sounan." She didn't say anything about the solo SR stuff. I'm tempted to throw some more recent things at her, but I'm holding off in hopes that she'll come back and say: hey, that band you were telling me about was all over TV and radio. The timing should work out that way, I think, with their recent break-up, but going out with the Color Bar EP and so on.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:38 (nine years ago) link

Hata sounds particularly amazing there. His sound is a bit different than usual in a way I can't put my finger on at the moment.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:39 (nine years ago) link

I notice she says "thank you" in Japanese here, which somehow jumps out at me since she almost always seems to say it in English.

But yeah, the belting is a bit like the worst live performances of "Killer Tune" all over again. Sorry, I am just not into it. And given the other ways she is sometimes capable of singing, I don't know why she falls back on it so damn much.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:50 (nine years ago) link

There's all sorts of new live stuff up on youtube, but I haven't been keeping track. (I continue to be pretty preoccupied with politics (not particularly in the horse race sense, though some of that as well) and "current events," and getting off the internet a bit more and reading books again. Meanwhile, more casual about music.)

Somehow I thought their last concert was due in March or even April. I didn't realize it already happened in February.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:42 (nine years ago) link

This sounds good, but still doesn't redeem what is basically kind of a boring song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=donSJaDkbQc

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:43 (nine years ago) link

Re(a)ding and ignorance: Poetic constraints of lyric
Theisen, Nicholas; Ramirez-Christensen, E.. University of Michigan, 2009. 2009. 3382459.
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As an exercise in comparative poetics, this dissertation brings together lyrics in various media and language traditions (Greek, Latin, English, and Japanese) in an effort to refigure lyric reading practices. I argue that the interpretation of lyric involves simultaneous acts of reading and writing and redefine the practice of reproducing the text of an interpreted work within the interpretation itself as reding , from an archaic spelling of the verb read , i.e. rede .

The first chapter defines what reding is, namely the recomposing of a text within criticism, and uses Heidegger's "A Dialogue of Language" to demonstrate that reding involves an act of willful ignorance, where the reder uncovers something new in a text by completely ignoring problems of accuracy. In the second, I examine how Anne Carson's multiple translations in If not, winter ; Eros the bittersweet ; and other texts serve at once to dis- and re-integrate the fragments of Sappho. In chapter three, I use Tawara Machi's translation into contemporary Japanese of Yosano Akiko's Midaregami to reconfigure reding itself in an etymological analysis of the Japanese verb yomu (at once "to read" and "to compose"). Chapter four tries to understand how redings have become almost seamlessly inscribed in the Latin text of Catullus and to make sense of his textual silences. Chapter five returns to Yosano Akiko to see how when a poet abandons any specific responsibility for or to her text that both she and her reader/reder are freed from the trap it can become. The final chapter is a coda in which Shiina Ringo's various lyric media are used to show that while reding carries with it the possibility of a greater poetics of interpretation, it also bears the risk of being rede in kind.

This dissertation contributes to a broader understanding of reading practices in the critical reception of poetry, to comparative poetics, and to lyric theory by using philological methods to bring popular song back into discussion with lyric poetry, particularly in using its intrinsically multimedial nature to reflect not only on song itself but on lyric as a whole and the problems of subjectivity therein.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:35 (nine years ago) link

Poor Tokyo, though. I don't think the population of Tokyo is going to make it. How many deaths are we going to see in ten or twenty years (assuming no big catastrophe before that--which is something that can't be assumed).

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:44 (nine years ago) link

Fans only, the last six minutes of the Electric Mole DVD (the final solo-era release before the mole-wiping Jihen-era)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFNsPbjvZY

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 March 2012 05:08 (nine years ago) link

A bit spooky. I hope it doesn't give me weird dreams. Not that it really matters as I've reached an age where when I have weird scary dreams I tend to just step back and say: yeah, whatever.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 March 2012 06:11 (nine years ago) link

basically agree with rudi's opinion on that video above

the first track and ukigumo's track from color bars are great, the rest ehhhhh.

is the first song from Tokyo Collection new? dope stuff

Nhex, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:16 (nine years ago) link

Just to be clear, I actually liked that segment from Electric Mole. I genuinely was thinking it might give me unpleasantly strange dreams though.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:36 (nine years ago) link

oops, not that video, the concert video above it

Nhex, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:58 (nine years ago) link

That live Atarashii Bunmei-kaika Milton posted has grown on me a bit already, belting not really bothering me so much.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:49 (nine years ago) link

Near typhoon strength low pressure system headed for Fukushima. :(

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:12 (nine years ago) link

Storm, I should say. They are saying "typhoon strength" actually. I'm not sure what keeps it from actually being considered a typhoon (or what exactly qualifies as one).

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 05:15 (nine years ago) link

that's not good. credible rumors say fukushima has hardly stablized and we don't need more h2o sweeping through an irradiated plant and then leeching back into the ocean. sometimes I feel like I really need to move away from the pacific coast.

you heard 'Tokyo Collection' yet? I'm just baffled by it, I honestly don't understand this track selection, it just doesn't make any sense unless they were consciously trying to bore us to tears. for a band which rearranged the studio versions of their songs into completely different pieces for concert, a compilation which basically replicates the studio versions of their tracks makes just about no sense to me

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 07:46 (nine years ago) link

I haven't heard Tokyo Collection yet. I'm just getting around to listening to the Discovery live concert. There's a lot about Tokyo Jihen and the decisions they make that I just do not get. That hasn't changed. It could be that some of their seemingly odd choices are simply commercially driven, but the cultural distance makes it more difficult to suss out.

credible rumors say fukushima has hardly stablized and we don't need more h2o sweeping through an irradiated plant and then leeching back into the ocean.

I think the first part of this is an understatement (or maybe that was intentional). It's likely that the at least some of those nuclear cores (or whatever the precise terminology is) are out underground on the loose, completely outside of any man-made containment. Unit 4 in particular is structurally unstable, with lots of spent fuel rods left (at least according to official accounts), waiting to crash down and cause havoc if the building collapses. And like you say, they are pumping tons of water into these things, but they found hardly any water in unit 2. So most of that water is going back into the environment one way or another. Even the NYT is partially talking about some of these things. I find these sites useful (in rank order, I suppose):

http://enenews.com/category/japan
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
http://fukushima-diary.com/

Plus the indefatigable Arnie Gundernsen at Fairewinds.

It looks like this typhoon may have come and gone without notable incident, however.

sometimes I feel like I really need to move away from the pacific coast.

I'm afraid that might be true. (I admit I am starting to realize just how much I tend toward being an apocalyptic pessimist and alarmist, but there are at least plenty of facts to bolster a dark view of the situation.)

Incidentally, while I'm going off topic, it's snowing in Albuquerque this morning.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:32 (nine years ago) link

(Or we could all consider moving to another planet entirely.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:54 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

New Shiina Ringo single: Jiyu e michizure

I'm still trying to hear it.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:40 (eight years ago) link

Ah, it does come on after the commercials:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzk0MDY5NzA4.html

Very big throwback to her past, but some of the moves here are not things she would have written back then.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:42 (eight years ago) link

I guess I should watch this blog, since this is where I heard about it (from the Sayonara Amerika guy):

http://bourdaghs.com/blog/category/j-pop/

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:43 (eight years ago) link

hey it's a total throwback to muzai moratorium

so i'm totally into it!

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, 1 June 2012 18:31 (eight years ago) link

I don't know music theory, but I think the bones of the song actually fit with the sort of things she's done since forming Tokyo Jihen. Yes, the overall sound harks back to the first two albums (and I guess I'd agree Muzai Moratorium in particular), but there's also something different.

Incidentally, have you ever seen this advertisement for KZK:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzYwODU4ODQw.html

Fantastic.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 June 2012 01:45 (eight years ago) link

Featuring creepy puppets moving to snippets of songs from the album.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 June 2012 01:45 (eight years ago) link

I don't know music theory, but I think the bones of the song actually fit with the sort of things she's done since forming Tokyo Jihen. Yes, the overall sound harks back to the first two albums (and I guess I'd agree Muzai Moratorium in particular), but there's also something different.

i mean, i agree, but there's something to the guitar tone that reminds me of the sped-up "koufukuron" from muzai

also it's a lot hookier and less busy than (especially the recent) tj stuff

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 June 2012 04:48 (eight years ago) link

pretty much agreed. i dig it.

Nhex, Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:39 (eight years ago) link

Is this out yet?

MaresNest, Saturday, 9 June 2012 17:44 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've never seen this before. At first, I thought it was someone else covering the song. It looks/sounds like she's singing live, but everything else is pre-recorded. Very awkward looking "band."

Kabuki-chou no Joou

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 23 June 2012 22:19 (eight years ago) link

thanks for posting, rudi; never seen that one either

Nhex, Monday, 25 June 2012 00:10 (eight years ago) link

Off topic: the cooling system for Fukushima Spent Fuel Pool 4 is shut down, and TEPCO is going to try to get it working again later today (Sunday, in Japan). If they can't get it fixed by some point Tuesday, temperatures are projected to reach unsafe levels, which of course could result in a catastrophe on a much bigger scale than anything that's happened there so far (that we know about anyway). I think similar things have happened at SFP4 before. But every time something like this happens, until the spent fuel rods are removed, is another opportunity for disaster.

(I almost never post to ILE these days, but it seems kind of funny that there is no Fukushima thread.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 June 2012 21:16 (eight years ago) link

This door will not be pulled out
That tower will not fall down
That heaven over there will not be destroyed
All of that smells like a lie

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 June 2012 22:31 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Paging Milton. . .

http://www.myspace.com/rosco419/music/songs/a-song-of-apples-83904723

It will be worth it to click on it, if you haven't heard it already.

an infusion of catharsis (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 05:54 (eight years ago) link

wait. what?

Nhex, Thursday, 23 August 2012 22:33 (eight years ago) link

<iframe src="https://embed.spotify.com/?uri=spotify:track:6cgdLt8fKgB33PSVEZCwH1"; width="300" height="380" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true"></iframe>

an infusion of catharsis (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:08 (eight years ago) link

Well that's not going to work I guess. Was really just looking for a link, but maybe it has to be a playlist to do that. Found while searching for "Sheena Ringo" in Spotify.

an infusion of catharsis (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:08 (eight years ago) link

no i mean... some guy just decided to cover Ringo No Uta on violin?

Nhex, Friday, 24 August 2012 00:33 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

The melody for "Sounan" really is as great as I think it is.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 04:05 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

WTF? Somehow I missed this Shiina-involved EP completely (not that she's performing but you will recognize the jazz band that comes in toward the end):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XOoPKfvBo

redress control number (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 9 December 2012 00:26 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Sorry, "Tokyo Jihen - "Konya wa Karasawagi"" was deleted at 5:50:57 Thu Jan 24, 2013.

Vimeo has removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Recording Industry Association of Japan claiming that this material is infringing: Tokyo Jihen - "Konya wa Karasawagi".

Keep shooting yourself in the foot, Recording Industry Association of Japan.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 January 2013 23:11 (eight years ago) link

I'm still not going to buy your repackaged previously released albums with a little new material added all wrapped in a boxed set.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 January 2013 23:13 (eight years ago) link

It's like some insane cartoon Japanese music villain is rubbing his hands together, saying: "Now nobody will ever find out about our music! Hahahahaha!"

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 January 2013 23:15 (eight years ago) link

Is this a new box set Rudipherous? Shiina or TJ? Sorry but I haven't the patience to wade through Electric Mole.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:08 (eight years ago) link

There's some kind of box set collecting the TJ albums but it sounds like it's going to include a lot of unreleased songs. The way people were talking, it sounded like they are SR songs, but I lost patience with wading through the thread myself. However, yes, definitely some kind of box on the way.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:11 (eight years ago) link

I think it's out in February. If I get details before anyone else posts them on this thread, I'll post them.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:11 (eight years ago) link

Oh cool thanks! I only got the TJ B-Sides thing through yesterday and the TV appearances DVD which has really great artwork.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:14 (eight years ago) link

Tokyo Jihen has revealed that they will simultaneously release a complete CD box “Hard Disk” and a video clip collection “Golden Time” on February 27th.

Tokyo Jihen disbanded after their concert at Nippon Budokan on February 29th of this year. These new releases will mark a year since their disbandment.

The complete CD box will include every album they’ve released as well as a bonus CD called “Recovery Disc“, which will include 9 unreleased tracks.

Meanwhile, the video clip collection will be released in both DVD and Blu-ray forms. In addition to their single tracks “Gunjou Biyori” and “Killer Tune“, it will contain videos for “Konya wa Karasawagi” and “Tadanaranu Kankei“, which have never been released in physical form, as well as a new version for “Senkou Shoujo“.

http://www.tokyohive.com/2012/12/tokyo-jihen-to-release-complete-cd-box-video-clip-collection/

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:20 (eight years ago) link

There's something.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:21 (eight years ago) link

Oh man.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:21 (eight years ago) link

OSCA video is all-time, even if it is a rip from Blur.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:23 (eight years ago) link

Sadistic Gossip blog has the artwork, it looks smart.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:25 (eight years ago) link

Honestly, I just don't have the money for this sort of things these days. (Took a big financial hit after relocating for health reasons in 2008 and I'm just having to learn to live on a smaller income, though some key expenses are cheaper for me now. Just not so much that I still have discretionary cash for this sort of thing.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:30 (eight years ago) link

Maybe I should have added a PayPal button to that post. Help me buy things I don't really need.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:32 (eight years ago) link

I'm slowly working my way through Clammbon's back catalogue via CD Japan right now which is kinda costly, so I don't think I will be purchasing, maybe the DVD.

MaresNest, Saturday, 26 January 2013 00:37 (eight years ago) link

■Disc8特典CD「Recovery Disc」
01 天国へようこそ Tokyo Bay Ver.
02 ドーパミント!
03 put your camera down
04 秘密 FOR DJ
05 恋は幻 FOR MUSICIAN
06 黄昏泣き FOR MOTHER
07 修羅場(single)
08 車屋さん
09 BON VOYAGE

http://www.emimusic.jp/tokyojihen/disco/

Most of the songs of the 8th disc are the alt mixes from vinyl or the DVD only songs, so only new to CD. One of them is 'kuramayasan', at least, but for $230 you're getting one new track

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 January 2013 02:15 (eight years ago) link

Is there anything definite about a solo Shiina Ringo album release this year, as far as you know?

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 26 January 2013 02:22 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Recording Industry Association of Japan, you bunch of short-sighted morons.

The Pistol Annie Sprinkles (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 1 April 2013 05:11 (eight years ago) link

There's a new single coming out, I got a mail from CD Japsn

Late night with Amazing Bo (MaresNest), Monday, 1 April 2013 11:10 (eight years ago) link

Cool. I haven't been checking EMF too much lately.

The 2:45 point in "Souretsu" still slays me most of the time. One of my favorite musical moments from he last decade or so.

The Pistol Annie Sprinkles (_Rudipherous_), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:54 (eight years ago) link

Ringo Shiina - Irohanihoheto / Kodoku no Akatsuki

c/p from CD JP and put through Google.

1 year and 2 months from the dissolution of Tokyo Incidents February 2012. 15th anniversary and debut full than Shiina Ringo, large tie-up has been determined for both the release! Single bullet first two songs solo career on May 27 memorable!

Late night with Amazing Bo (MaresNest), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:02 (eight years ago) link

Um.. yay!

Nhex, Monday, 1 April 2013 20:10 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTUwNDExNDQ0.html

It's okay.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:11 (seven years ago) link

Preview of other song with lots of annoying radio announcer chatter (though it sounds pretty weak anyway):

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTUwNDExODk2.html

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:25 (seven years ago) link

Irohanihoheto, the first one linked to in full above, sounds like the kind of thing she can probably knock off pretty easily at this point.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:29 (seven years ago) link

It has a real video, and it's pretty nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdpCrPeIks

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 9 May 2013 07:13 (seven years ago) link

Really diggin this.

abcfsk, Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:15 (seven years ago) link

Makes me want to learn Japanese. I love her for doing this sort of thing, among other reasons, especially since she can do it and still write good music.

http://www.yam-mag.com/news/music-videos/shiina-ringo-irohanihoheto/

With Japan never uploading things I like from them, and the main culprit being Sony, I guess I had to come around and post Shiina Ringo’s latest single (just after the disbandment of Tokyo Jihen).

Titled Irohanihoheto (いろはにほへと) — the incomprehensible title for those with a less moderate use of the Japanese language and culture — refers to a pretty old Japanese poem that dates back a thousand years that uses every single letter of the Japanese alphabet just once, and still makes sense. It still makes sense- how is that possible?

The poem known as Iroha (いろは) talks about the concepts of Buddhism such as the unpredictability of life, and the ever-changing nature of things [1], with a first verse that gives Ringo her title. So could I translate the title to “Colors Will Fall” or maybe “Colors Will Fade“?

A flower in full bloom with beautiful colors will fall off some day.
We living in this world also cannot live forever.
Surmount this mutable and changeable deep mountain of waver now,
And reach the world of enlightenment.
You will be in a quiet state of mind without having an empty dream
Or being drunk with the illusory world of phenomena.

The music video was directed by Yuichi Kodama (児玉裕一) who had previously directed Ringo and Tokyo Jihen, as well as Perfume, Salyu, Polysics, Mr. Children and Namie Amuero. . . .

Irohanihoheto serves as the main theme for the FujiTV drama Bitter Sweet Home Kyoto (鴨、京都へ行く. -老舗旅館の女将日記-), and will be officially released as a single on May 27th (hopefully will show up on time on iTunes) alongside Dawn of Loneliness (孤独のあかつき, Kodoku no Akatsuki).

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 24 May 2013 18:26 (seven years ago) link

Here's the other A-side https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwh1hWYlPY

abcfsk, Monday, 27 May 2013 22:02 (seven years ago) link

I was just thinking yesterday that I should try to track down the other song but also that I'd run into it sooner or later anyway.

Beginning of the song makes me think of Boz Scaggs's "We're All Alone." FWIW. Probably nothing, since overall the song sounds nothing like Boz Scaggs.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 27 May 2013 23:15 (seven years ago) link

Pretty entertaining (old):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRd1HY-czCY

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 15:55 (seven years ago) link

finally got around to watching that Irohanihoheto video; her videos are always fun to watch

Nhex, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:20 (seven years ago) link

This was posted on EMF. It's some sort of auditory study of just a portion of "Souretsu," looping it and layering it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ARnSAH9lY

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:35 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9qjVCi0ID4

abcfsk, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 22:54 (seven years ago) link

So I assume this is new? I've never heard it before. I like when the vocals get slightly more normal.

Just because y'all are Japanese Shiina and Towa Tei doesn't mean you have to. . .

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 11 July 2013 01:13 (seven years ago) link

Not that I don't kind of like it.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 11 July 2013 01:16 (seven years ago) link

Some great peformances here (nothing new, but I've never seen the whole thing in one spot, and I assume it won't last):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cha3piAOtgs

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:31 (seven years ago) link

Would probably recommend the unconverted start with the third or fourth song.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:32 (seven years ago) link

Uber-prog soloing break

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 12 July 2013 03:42 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Strange compilation coming out consisting of collabs and one new track.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=TYCT-69005&utm_source=MAIL&utm_medium=html&utm_content=130917-TYCT-69005&utm_campaign=jpop

many machines on ilx (MaresNest), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 08:39 (seven years ago) link

I guess I can see the reasoning, I recognize a couple of the tracks on there. She's done a million collabs, it feels like.

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 03:35 (seven years ago) link

I had a dream about a TV segment about Shiina Ringo visiting rescued/abandoned dogs (presumably in shelters) to cheer them up and publicize their plight. Unfortunately I don't remember actually seeing her in any of the shots. It was just that I knew that's what the report was about.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 30 September 2013 18:58 (seven years ago) link

Sorry this is not album news.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 30 September 2013 18:58 (seven years ago) link

Was talking to someone I know a few days ago about her dog sitting for a dog that has a scar on her head as a result of a rattlesnake bite.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 30 September 2013 19:09 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o16rgGTZq9s

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 17 November 2013 15:59 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trw9ZGhDKDQ

Okay, kind of missing Tokyo Jihen at this point.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 17 November 2013 16:25 (seven years ago) link

the new collaborations comp "Ukina" is a tough listen. the older songs that I'm only hearing now are on the generic side, no flow from track to track. the three with Soil & "Pimp" Sessions are the best, two of them from their album "6", where they made sense (they're such a good band)

that first video, "J'ai trouve l'amour", is Nakata's song for her; I'm a pretty big Perfume & a selective Capsule/Kyary fan, so it's a double let-down for me. been thinking a bit about how sometimes, when strong personalities collaborate, they politely meet in the middle. "It Was You" was written specifically for Shiina by Burt Bacharach and once you know that, it's a grower.

haven't listened to the live comp 'Mitsugetsu Shou' yet, track selection is promising, if it works as an album I'll probably spring for a copy

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 00:07 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

To Taikai Heisei Nijyugo Nendo Kamiyama-Cho Taikai [w/ Bonus CD, Limited Edition]

Live Blu-ray from Ringo Shiina includes her 15th anniversary concert at Shibuya Orchard Hall on November 26, 2013. She performed 23 songs including an unreleased song "Ima" and self covers. Comes with a bonus CD including five live tracks (subject to change) from the concert on November 25, 2013.

MaresNest, Monday, 20 January 2014 17:30 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

new album news (sort of):

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TYCT-60035

http://i.imgur.com/TGzZVyG.jpg

Gyakuyunyu - Kowankyoku: Self-cover album from Ringo Shiina includes songs she previously provided to popular artists in Japan such as PUFFY, Chiaki Kuriyama, and SMAP from 1998 to the present. Contains a total of 11 songs with new arrangements.

tao lin wolf (unregistered), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 01:49 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

More news, album in Nov.

http://sadisticgossip.blogspot.co.uk/

MaresNest, Monday, 22 September 2014 12:19 (six years ago) link

more than half of this is drawn from the last five years worth of non-album singles. some of which I did like, and hats off to her astounding work ethic slamming out at least one new CD and one new DVD a year, but the 'albums' really are seeming more and more cobbled together.

I tried twice with 'Gyakuyunyu - Kowankyoku'. Otomo Yoshihide's jazz orchestra arrangement of her song for Puffy is pretty great, and Otomo's noise guitar solo even gets soloed in the mix for about 1.5 seconds. That collaboration would have blown my mind 10 years ago, but given how high Otomo's star has risen in mainstream Japan since writing that jazzy theme for a hit daily radio show, this ends up being the least surprising track on the record. much of the production on the other tracks is trying way too hard.

all that said, still a diehard, ready to listen to anything she puts out

Milton Parker, Monday, 22 September 2014 18:48 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

best artist and most beautiful person on earth

een, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:39 (six years ago) link

well, at least when her hair is off, you know it'll be different by next year

Nhex, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:52 (six years ago) link

still need to give Gyakuyunyu - Kowankyoku a few more listens

Nhex, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:53 (six years ago) link

http://www.sharkenterprises.biz/accordion/dixiechicken.jpg

the tune was space, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 19:10 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Pretty good salsa cover of Marunouchi Sadistic by a band out of Bogota, Colombia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeQDbPpfcIQ

Will be back to say more about the new album at some point. Basically it's a mess with more tracks I like than don't like, but not something I have a desire to listen to straight through. I very much like the new jazzy tracks: Shizuka Naru Gyakushuu, Hashire wa Number, Sekidou wo Koetara, and Ima.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 November 2014 02:33 (six years ago) link

cool video! laudable effort, though the singer has a tough comparison
it's no Boys II Men style cover, but what can you do

Nhex, Sunday, 16 November 2014 03:14 (six years ago) link

For those who are interested but haven't yet heard the new album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfq8LRqmB-w

(I imagine this will get yanked pretty quickly though.)

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 23 November 2014 16:07 (six years ago) link

Actually, looks like the whole album is up there now.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 23 November 2014 16:43 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

More not-her-best, but not bad:

https://vk.com/video-9089995_171354843

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:07 (five years ago) link

she's middling now, but has there been any act out of asia since YMO as great and essential as shiina ringo? she's got one of the all-time classic rock/pop albums to her name, and imo rounding up the best of her other stuff puts her on a level far above bjork, beck, or any other such artist who might be considered a peer/analog

soyrev, Monday, 18 May 2015 03:58 (five years ago) link

No argument here (although I wouldn't feel comfortable make sweeping claims about all of Asia). She is still capable of something like this from just a few years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0ML7SdxI_c

For that matter, I thought some of the new songs on her album last year were quite good.

Part of the problem is that she has embraced her own institutionalization so enthusiastically, with all of these often self-parodic performances celebrating her own career. I'm not sure what to make of all of that, although perhaps she's always been laughing up her sleeve at her various stage personae.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 18 May 2015 13:39 (five years ago) link

i am most certainly comfortable with sweeping claims about asia!

no one artist comes close out of korea, china, HK, taiwan...and none of the other asian countries really have the industry or audience means to support a genius like shiina ringo's even were its kernel to appear. japan had some killer pop artists in the '80s and early '90s who need to be considered, but from the immense amount of listening i've done so far i can't say anyone truly stands in the class. only YMO and their members' solo careers eclipse her, but then again, i don't think any of them have a single album as relentlessly brilliant as kuri no hana...

and yeah i love a lot of her new stuff (second half of "nippon" melts my nerve endings), but it's more a pick and choose game now for sure, and generally with lesser/less artful peaks. though some of her post-hana stuff, at an individual song level, match or best that album's highlights imo

soyrev, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:19 (five years ago) link

reading through this old thread a bit it occurs to me that she's done some pretty unique rearrangements live. anyone have any mp3 bootlegs handy? demos/rarities/etc, anything would be welcome...i already have both Demo 1 and Demo 2, and the 1999.11.30 gig at kyoei branko

soyrev, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:09 (five years ago) link

How I wish, bet there's a ton of stuff in the vaults that will just appear one day in a massively expensive and exquisite box set.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 12:57 (five years ago) link

i really hope so.

but i'm sure there are some live bootlegs out there in the ether, doubt i have anything any such collector would want/need but i'd be happy to trade sometime if anyone has any good gigs. falling back under ringo's spell and want whatever i can get

soyrev, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:00 (five years ago) link

I think I have some MP3 boots stored away, but they might not be that great iirc, I'll have a look

MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:03 (five years ago) link

ah no pressure, thank you though. i need to find some reliable discography of all her singles and guest appearances and stuff, i'm sure there're a lot of floaters i'm still missing

soyrev, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:04 (five years ago) link

It's no trouble, this what I got...

http://i62.tinypic.com/1585yd0.jpg

MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 13:09 (five years ago) link

how about that. I don't have too much of the early ephemera but many of my favorite post-KZK tracks are the b-sides

favorite live show that never saw official release is Jihen's 'Domestic Virgin Line' show, posted to this thread more than once and here again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDotMg5_cA4

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:18 (five years ago) link

well, looks pretty good to me! i'd gratefully receive any of the live stuff you have (except the branko one, since i'm guessing that's the 99 boot i have), don't have much shiina per se to give in return, but it does look like i have a little more of her demos than you do there, i've got 31 tracks total arranged into a DEMO1 and a DEMO2. if you're interested i *think* i just successfully webmailed you

soyrev, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 19:45 (five years ago) link

The address attached to my webmail is long dead I'm afraid, email me again at nakagincapsuleto✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ instead.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 20:02 (five years ago) link

dammit that was (without gaps) - nakagin capsule tower at gmail

MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 20:02 (five years ago) link

For those who have never seen these wonderful TV commercials for KZK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sKvEm2ib5Y

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:33 (five years ago) link

lol. not an easy album to advertise!

also like how the editor seems to have romanized it "RINNGO" just for symmetry's sake.

soyrev, Friday, 22 May 2015 03:12 (five years ago) link

Soil & "PIMP" Sessions are touring Europe again, kinda tempted.

June
25th - Fusion Festival - Larz, Germany (Festival)
28th -Glastonbury - Glastonbury, UK (Festival)
30th - North Sea Jazz Club - Amsterdam, Holland (Venue)
July
1st - Bird - Rotterdamn, Holland (Venue)
3rd - Kelburn Garden Party - Largs, Scotland (Festival)
4th - Colston Hall - Bristol, UK (Venue)
7th - Jazz Café - London, UK (Venue)
9th - Band on the Wall - Manchester, UK (Venue)
10th - Mosely Jazz Festival - Birmingham, UK (Festival)
11th - La Marquies - Lyon, France (Venue)
12th - Worldwide Festival - Sete, France (Festival)

MaresNest, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:04 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Here's the Glastonbury set -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02txwt0/glastonbury-2015-soilpimpsessions

MaresNest, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 13:19 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

had the lowest expectations for this new single, one song being an autotuned jingle written for this summer's coca-cola campaign, the other being a jingle for a cell phone. the ads have been online for a month and they have all the entertainment value of staring at a huge stack of money, but the videos for the new songs are a different story

http://aramajapan.com/news/music/musicvideo/shiina-ringo-releases-full-pvs-for-nagaku-mijikai-matsuri-and-kamisama-hotokesama/20888/

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:12 (five years ago) link

here are the ad versions. autopilot tightrope.

http://jrock247.com/2015/07/shiina-ringos-new-single-chosen-for-coca-cola-campaign/

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:20 (five years ago) link

Thanks Milton, the autotune really blows, I'm digging the other track though, has a kind of OSCA feel about it.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 20:27 (five years ago) link

the autotune one is just hilariously bad. the other one is a bit of a mess, but the good parts are good.

she's recently admitted to not trying with her music so much anymore, so it's little surprise that her output's going in this direction.

soyrev, Thursday, 6 August 2015 00:34 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the non-autotune one has moments of lol wut, but actually is a pretty good tune.

emil.y, Thursday, 6 August 2015 00:34 (five years ago) link

I'm glad this thread popped up, because this is one of the most amazing songs I've ever heard and I always forget who was responsible for it:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5q71o_shiina-ringo-x-saito-neko-yokushits_music

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 11:37 (five years ago) link

quality on that upload is brutal, but that's one of my favorites off the amazing heisei fuuzoku. ain't no self-cover like a shiina self-cover

soyrev, Friday, 7 August 2015 13:47 (five years ago) link

Everything on Dailymotion sounds like crap these days. This is a bit better:

Yokushitsu

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 7 August 2015 15:32 (five years ago) link

Yeah, sorry, I was searching for a video clip on the train so I couldn't actually watch it. Is the YouTube clip the remix? I haven't heard the original so I don't know how different it is.

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:36 (five years ago) link

I still prefer this version:

http://nhacso.net/nghe-album/shouso-strip.X1BYVUpZ.html

x-post

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 7 August 2015 15:40 (five years ago) link

I don't remember which is original. There's also this earlier (EP?) version:

http://nhacso.net/nghe-nhac/la-salle-de-bain.Vl1SVUBZ.html

(I'm still not sold on her singing in English most of the time.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 7 August 2015 15:44 (five years ago) link

An early live version. I don't think I've seen her hop around like this anywhere else. Not sure I like it:

http://vk.com/video62610559_165946360

(The opening reminds me of Psychic TV c. 1988.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 7 August 2015 15:56 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Tsumi to Batsu live, 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoTAXRGzq3s#t=49

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:18 (five years ago) link

Not unworthy.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:24 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

why did i never listen to her 2014 record? it's pretty good

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 17:36 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

A fair chunk of her back catalogue is up on Spotify now [in the UK at least] under 'Sheena' Ringo, no Jihen as yet.

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:34 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhNeT152Qs

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 7 May 2016 16:58 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

why did i never listen to her 2014 record? it's pretty good

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, March 18, 2016 1:36 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was let down a little by the last few albums, so I actually put off listening to her 2014 solo album Hi Izuru Tokoro until tonight.
What a mistake! It's actually pretty great, and already a few tracks in feels like her best work in a while.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 July 2016 04:46 (four years ago) link

Yeah I really, really made a terrible mistake sleeping on it so long. This album is fantastic, easily some of her best work and production, even if it is mostly re-recordings of non-album tracks, it's super well done and feels fresh.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 July 2016 05:22 (four years ago) link

I don't know if it's a great album per se, but it has a bunch of good-to-great songs on it. One reason I didn't say more about it is that I simply am not sure what to say about it. The newer (often Latin tinged) jazz-oriented tracks were very well-crafted.

The some what sui generis (in her catalog) "Irohanihoheto" is still my favorite on this album.

But as an album it's a bit too much of a miscellany.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:46 (four years ago) link

She wrote some sort of music for the World Cup this year, I think. Has anyone heard that?

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:46 (four years ago) link

At least I thought so. Unless I was reading old news from 2014 and got mixed up.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:47 (four years ago) link

Still no Shiina/Sheena Ringo on US Spotify. It's okay. I sometimes imagine her being "discovered" in a big way, somewhere down the line. But maybe what she has done best is too far removed from where popular music generally is or is headed. Then again, I know a lot of college aged people who listen a ton to rock from the 60s and 70s. (Not calling SR classic rock, but she's more of a piece with that than with most of what's on US top 40.) Music in foreign languages is still mostly a hard sell in the US.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2016 15:10 (four years ago) link

Yeah, even someone like Shakira barely broke through to the US, I feel like. definitely possible one day people will wake up to her and/or a bunch of journalists will start crowing about her achievements, hopefully during our generation. but even if this doesn't happen, she seems pretty successful both commercially and artistically in her career and I still feel like she's got a lot more to give.
But yeah it sucks that she didn't reach Spotify here or even the US iTunes store.

Nhex, Sunday, 3 July 2016 03:27 (four years ago) link

I missed that she performed in Taiwan, not that I would have gone, but interesting development:

http://www.mtv81.com/news/ringo-shiina-launches-special-site-for-her-first-overseas-show-in-taiwan/

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 July 2016 14:10 (four years ago) link

there was a song on here that I liked that was on youtube and had like some animated video that was pink or purple and had flowers blowing in the wind? maybe? like over hills? does anyone have any idea what song had a youtube video like this at some point (that has since been removed)?

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:03 (four years ago) link

might be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVCCe2tuL20

Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:30 (four years ago) link

lol wow that actually has animated flowers on a pink background and like horizontal parallax motion but that is not it! the song was kinda upbeat and peppy and sort of vaguely reminds me of early Bjork or something? also I think she said "la la la la la" a lot

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:34 (four years ago) link

stumped me. right now to find any of her many videos, you pretty much have to search with kanji to find something posted within the last 12 months; sony has really cracked down on uploads of her videos. even on the official vevo, clicking on most of them results in 'not available in your country'.

we never really talked about how wonderful the video is for Irohanihoheto a few years ago though

http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=935827

Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 July 2016 19:20 (four years ago) link

I think it might be one of those Heisei Fuzoki videos.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 14 July 2016 19:32 (four years ago) link

Is that Kentaro Kobayashi in the Stem video? Star of "The Japanese Tradition"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDL8yu34fz0

mick signals, Friday, 15 July 2016 04:06 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

the song was kinda upbeat and peppy and sort of vaguely reminds me of early Bjork or something? also I think she said "la la la la la" a lot

Maybe was Soil & Pimp's "My Foolish Heart." I forget what the video looked like. Trying to find it.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

Don't think there were any flowers though.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 19:11 (four years ago) link

Not one of her finer jazz slinging moments, in my opinion.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 19:11 (four years ago) link

it was def shiina ringo and there were like animated hills and i think a pinkish background?

laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 19 August 2016 20:01 (four years ago) link

I finally figured out what song the beginning of Kodoku no Atkatsuki reminds me, and it's really obvious, though I never knew the title of the song before: Rita Coolidge - Close the Window. (And no, the SR songs is not as good as that one which I've never especially liked but now have to at least grudgingly admire).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 20 August 2016 18:54 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Solo Ringo, 2014. Not sure whether or not it's been linked to before. Polished, but as with many of these performances I'm not sure how interested I'd be without familiarity with the back catalog. Heavy on the torch singer mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeljBXpXH-M

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 September 2016 21:16 (four years ago) link

An A for her wardrobe.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 9 September 2016 21:21 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

And it's gone.

Still in love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezC4ybLJsPM

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 04:24 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0dKO8nob9c

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 04:29 (four years ago) link

I thought you'd be posting last night's NYE TV Tokyo Jihen reunion. Cheesy even for her, still watched it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1FLsh7UAAAq9S8.jpg

Milton Parker, Monday, 2 January 2017 05:47 (four years ago) link

How many reunion concerts will there be? Probably many.

I didn't know about it. How did you watch it? Online or through some cable/satelite channel?

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 06:19 (four years ago) link

https://twitter.com/hope_moonandsun/status/815339068359725056
https://twitter.com/mocomina7/status/815181009343770624

it was only this one song, the single from that 2014 comp of her versions of the songs she'd written for other pop stars. the entire song is on youtube as well, but they made the image tiny to evade the bot police, so you can't really see the dancers' expressions (ayabambi were the dancers on her 2014 tour, before madonna bit them)

Milton Parker, Monday, 2 January 2017 07:37 (four years ago) link

The Tokyo skyline looks so beautiful it almost makes me want to cry. (I'm pretty emotionally hair-trigger at the moment, however.)

But yes, I could do with less Vegas in her newer performances or however you want to describe it.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:15 (four years ago)