the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

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where to begin with the daring, intense and brilliant sounds of dubstep?

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

the rephlex "grime" compilations are a good start.

captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

thats nothing to be ashamed of. dubstep is great!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

the rephlex "grime" are fairly generic and uninteresting.

like most (all) that goes under then name of grime.

most overrated genre of 2004!

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

some dubstep is great though. i wish i knew clubs in london that played
that sort of sound!

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

"the rephlex "grime" are fairly generic and uninteresting.

like most (all) that goes under then name of grime.

most overrated genre of 2004!"

nah, it is overrated but theres some good stuff there. dubstep is generally the superior thing.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

you should go to the FWD club night that takes place at plastic people once a month.

captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Rebel Bass?

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

i went to rebel bass once i think. it's the one near the angel @ elektrowerkz? music was good actually, but about 90% of the crowd male. i find that hard to bear. i shall check out FWD, given that i live round the corner!

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

but what is dubstep? i think of it roughly as the kind of music you get when you take UK Garage, slow it down a bit and remove the vocals.

right or wrong?

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Horsepower Productions!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

For starters: www.dubplate.net.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link

That "Sholay" tune is good.

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish dubstep sounded more like "Armani Versace vs. Mercedes Bentley".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

is FWD @ plastic people on this thursday? that club's website hasn't been updated for a while!

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

I think that's the one, I'll hook you up later today. It's all about the "Dub Plate remix".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks!

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?"

It is!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I like these records:

Toasty "the Knowledge" (Hot Flush)
Search and Destroy "Food Chain" (Texture)
Slaughter Mob vs. Search and Destroy "Saddam" (Soul Ja)

Check out the Search and Destroy pirate radio shows if you are in London, a friend hooked me up with a CDR of Dj Prior's set on there and it's really heavy, super cool stuff.

ps: people seem to be calling the above records/scene "breaks" (yeah, dumb name, I know) rather than dubstep proper, but anyway to my ears it sounds like slowed down (to 120 bpm) jungle purged of its breakbeats but with those heavy heavy basslines, ecstatic/dark strings, and vocal/percussive tidbits getting tossed into ominous delays and reverbs. In other words, menacing and rad.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

search:
tnt vs outlaw breaks "nissi"
plasticman "shox waves", "hard graft", "venom"
benga "skank"
bionics vs slimzee "capsule"
b jammin "tonka (menta remix)"
jon e cash "war (vip mix)" (well he calls it sublow but whatevs)

destroy:
horsepower productions, zed bias and any other lightweight wine bar shit.

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i dunno actually some of those are probably considered 8 bar tunes, not sure. lol @ "daring, brilliant, intense"

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

why is that lol-worthy? its a tad pretentious i admit.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Are they really playing Horsepower in wine bars?

I don't think I've ever been to a wine bar.

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe not winebars. maybe coffee tables.

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

but a lot of dubstep is too dark to please the coffeetable crowd, even if horsepower might do.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I went to a wine bar in NYC with some ilxor's in September. I think they were playing Duran Duran and Journey!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link

also re: "Armani Versace..."

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

I have to disagree. The arrangement is much more whacked out whereas Horsepower is almost nu-jazzy - although maybe it's because I only listen to the dub (can't remember the a-side mix at all).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think of Horsepower Productions as being jazzy or winebar-ish. Perhaps I'm not listening right. I do agree that Versace dub is more weird-y than most of HP's work.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Even the most recent album? Also, the samples would likely preclude winebar play!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, I'm basing this ENTIRELY on their first album and associated singles. I didn't buy the last given the spate of negative reviews.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually liked the second one when it came out, but I haven't returned to it. I certainly wouldn't give it a "negative" review. It wasn't very innovative I guess.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

dubstep... money... don't make me laugh!

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't consider dubstep to be a subgenre of grime.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

it isn't. it dates from an earlier strand of garage. dubstep started when El-B and Zed Bias built on Groove Chronicles (which El-B was part of) and Steve Gurley productions.

This is was the beginning of dark swing. As the Groove Chronicles' "1999" and El-B/Ghost's "2000" suggest, these predate the Pay As U Go /Musical Mob strains of dark garage that grime evolved out of in 2001.

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

no Forward in january i dont think
this is the line up for the next 2 months

February - Scientist, Youngsta, J Da Flex & mc Crazy D
March - Plasticman, Kode9, Wonder & mc Crazy D

Jon B, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
the more I listen, the more I think Plastic needs to leave. Plus he is pretty shitty personality wize.

i am right (cs appleby), Sunday, 30 January 2005 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
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DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
update update ppl

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

new in dubstep worth checking:

dj younsta - dubstep allstars volume 2 - features the massive neverland coming to vinyl on DMZ005 soon - also includes a variety of forthcoming hotness

DMZ004 - Coki - officer &

N-Type - Square Off

the new one from D1 (SOULJA008)

the utterly essential HYP003 - kode9's Kingstown

Benny Ill vs Dinesh & Mark One (VEHICLE5)

very old now but dub child's - voodoo tears it

plus many others - excellent period right now

check mr blackdown and mr dusk's keysound radio mix

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, I got some of those off you!

And jed sent me Kingstown. Dusk and Blackdown's Keysound mix is REALLY good.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Myke you are saint. "Kingston" is really good Prince Far I redux.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah myke thanks for letting me leech offa you like a...leech.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I like rap grime and dubstep grime too.I favorably reviewed the first Rephlex comp in Voice, haven't heard the second. (Even if they were hopping on the grimewagon by calling dubstep "grime," not like they were detracting from rap grime's American hits, cos there weren't none). "Slowed-down jungle" is a paradox, but one that this comp usually uses well, along with others. (Although the first couple of tracks are closer to regular-speed jungle, which may be one reason they aren't as good as the other tracks.)(Not that I don't like regular-speed jungle, sometimes, but these initial tracks aren't good at that approach.)Dubstep on this Grime comp is literally grimey at times, but fun: like joyriding a forklift around in a warehouse you are visiting. (I'm *told it's fun.)

don, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought ilm didn't give dubstep any love? :)

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know about ILM but I'm coming round to dubstep.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still pretty ambivalent, but there's certain stuff I love. It's hard music to love unless you are going and dancing to it, I think.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Or you could get stoned and listen to Keysound Radio on headphones.


I guess....

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

oh i forgot something - macabre unit's lift off - classic

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, whenever I get my new headphones I will do that.

We'd be remiss not to mention the Plasticman 1Extra mix as well (which I still haven't finished, but which is quite good so far.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I still think the "21st Century Skank" mix that Kode9 put up on www.hyperdub.com (it's still there peeps!) was dubstep proper's pinnacle - begins with Zed Bias's "Ring The Alarm" and it's solid hits all the way through.

I've been accused of abandoning dubstep once grime came along and simply following the dictates of fashion. I'd someday like to write something long and torturous about the kernel of traumatic truth in this: the fact that changes in fashion of this type are sometimes the precise thing which opens up the space to stand back from a genre and perceive its limitations: by the end of 2002 you could make the retrospective argument that dubstep had been the "wrong" microstrand to watch, that "Pulse X" was what was important, but right through the preceding year it had felt like there was a properly dialectical tension b/w dubstep and proto-grime, that the next thing was going to emerge from the interstices between the former's dazzling fluidity and the latter's blocky rigidity.

And this is actually what happened, if you squint: the blocky rigidity simply intensified and mutated itself into something else which on the one hand worked according to entirely different rules and on the other rhythmically pre-empted anything that dubstep might bring to the table (you could say that "I Luv U" was the paradigmatic tune here but I think a better example might be J Sweet, Cameo and Gemma Fox's "Baby" - a pop-grime 8-bar beloved of Femme Fatale which nonetheless contains within it the same sort of razzle-dazzle snare action dealt by Horsepower, Bias or DJ Hatcha at their respective bests). And it really was as-against-this that dubstep began to strike me as somehow insufficient.

There's a sense in which grime actually "ate" dubstep - or at least the bits that I love, that I would insist housed the largest part of its potential - and all of dubstep's developments since then - whether it be mirroring grime or drifting towards broken beat or simply intensifying its "pure" strain in which rhythmic invention is increasingly downplayed in favour of other, less immediately tangible principles (see how dubstep increasingly transplants the "House is a feeling!" catch-cry as its own) - feel like attempts to distance itself from that traumatic experience of cannibalism. The fashionable switch from dubstep to grime was responding to something quite real that was going on in the music i think.

NB. This may be interpreted as a rant against post-02 dubstep but it's not meant in that spirit. There is a lot of stuff in the genre that I really like. Just wanted to give an example (from my own experience) of what might be behind a lot of people preferring grime to dubstep.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Great, I'll bring my headphones and some of that Cali!

The Plasticman mix is good. Release an album, Plasticman!

xp

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, may I ask if you've heard the Keysound Radio mix on Martin's blog?

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Like some people said in the 60s, "You are what you eat." So Dizzee and Wiley's grime may have eaten dubstep, and it's part of what they did (maybe less so now). To me, dub's shapeshifting trickiness can get predictable, stale, like some old pothead entertaining only himself; stepping ( of the kind R. Kelly gushes over, "It's a way of life!" or techstep, whatever dance-specific music) can seem just as insular in its own way.Dubstep, at its best, or even median,seemed to bring the best bits of both out of their shells. And if rap-grime ate that, hey. Of course rap has broader, deeper associations/appeal than dub or steps, so rap grime, or Real Grime, if you like has more appeal, in some ways (but still no hits over here)

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Adam I have heard the Keysound radio mix - I really like it too! Even the dubstep bits! Esp. the second track, the one after the Kode9 cover of "Ghost Town" with those eerie bits of accordian and eerie ambient sounds - "Indian Stomp" I think. Also Digital Mystikz's "Forgive" when it gets over its dirgey bass inclinations in the first half and goes properly muso with the trumpet and piano and rainstorm. Martin's really good too at constructing a vibe (and in a way his own tracks are the "vibiest" even if they're not necessarily my standout favourites). Having said that when "Win" starts up afterwords I'm suddenly on a whole 'nother level of enjoyment - canny choice of track too, "Win" may be Roll Deep's most "dubstep" moment apart from "Ground Zero" which honestly bores me now.

I think it's actually partly because I do like individual dubstep tracks so much that it really frustrates me that I don't like more of the genre, and it makes me harsher on it than I should be. Dubstep wears it's "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve, so it's easy for it to feel like it's underperforming. The obvious corrolary is techstep/neurofunk '97, where there's a handful of stuff that is among my favourite music ever, and most of the rest I could probably take or leave.

And in the spirit of forgiveness I should make a gratuitous shout-out to my favourite "mid-period" dubstep track, DJ Abstract's "Touch" - which is thoroughly awesome, but maybe I like it so much because it's almost a "proper" 2-step track. Female vocals! And gorgeously syncopated breakbeats, like a mutant hybrid of The Wideboys "Something's Got Me Started (Dub)" with the Zed Bias remix of 2 Banks of Four's "Hook and a Line". And squiggly keyboards!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/breezeblock/

Dubstep lovers, this week's Breezeblock was a dubstep special (programme is streamed for a week), with Mala (Digital Mystikz), Skream, Kode 9 and Space Ape, Vex'd, Hatcha, Loefah and Sgt. Pokes, and Distance.

Tracklisting here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/breezeblock/breezeblock_archive.shtml?20060110

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

the previous vex'd breezeblock mix is linked to from their website:

vexd.blogspot.com

and their mix from 11th November at Adverse Camber is also worth a listen (but is very quiet)
http://spannered.org/mixes/vexd/vexd_nov11_2005.mp3

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Loefah and DJ Youngsta did mixes for one world last sunday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/tracklistings/one_world/one_world_tracklistings_live.shtml

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Dubstep wears its "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve

Really??? To me says "I am 1978! 1978! 1978!!!!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

(and that's a good thing!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

1978?!? explain, pls

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

what i've heard of dub-grime, or whatever, has a huge "jammy" beardo quality to it, which makes me think of classic dub.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm listening to the one world mix now, and do people really say "KAY SEVEN RECORDS" ??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

but seriously, vahid, a whole lot of dubstep that i've heard just sounds like people mixing yabby u over their "spookiest" grime white labels? maybe i haven't been listening to all the right stuff.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

"this plate is exclusive to me
and this ganja here
is exclusive to i"

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i've had a rethink on "dubstep allstars 1+2". when it's pissing drizzly rain, you're smoking cigarettes, too much / not enough coffee headache, driving home through the tough streets of san mateo, spent all day getting abused by teenagers in saggy jeans + puffa jackets - it's just perfect.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Adam doesn't smoke though? ;)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Tracer I meant the entire discourse of the scene more than the actual music. If anything i meant the music falls a bit short of the promises the discourse makes on its behalf - which is not really the music's fault because almost all music falls short of such promises.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

> whole lot of dubstep that i've heard just sounds like people mixing yabby u over their "spookiest" grime white labels?

and that's bad why? 8)

oh http://www.garagepressure.com/ has some podcasts available. it seems that grime has made it to australia.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link

If anything i meant the music falls a bit short of the promises the discourse makes on its behalf - which is not really the music's fault because almost all music falls short of such promises.

i think this really means that the discourse is a self-sustaining thing which doesn't actually need the music input at all.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

koogs i SAID it was a good thing!!

OK maybe that was hasty, though - i just listen to youngsta's mix and it's a lot more than that. veering dangerously close to tranquility bass at times, however.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 February 2006 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
hmmm ... i can't find a copy of "dubstep allstars 1" anywhere!!

pls message me if you'd like to part w/ a copy for a reasonable sum.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I can send you a second hand copy if you like Vahid - in good condition. No charge in exchange for that Doc Martin stuff.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

deal

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link

who's going to hook me up w/ youngsta's "dubstep allstars 2"?

who's going to be mixing 3?

what's the dirt over at dissensus about these releases?

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 4 March 2006 06:53 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
kode 9 has mixed number three ft the spaceape

martin (martin), Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes I went looking for it all weekend. No luck. EXCITED though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

The new boxcutter EP on Planet mu is fantastic (http://www.discogs.com/release/636748)! I don't listen to enough dubstep to be sure if this could really be considered part of it, but I like the way the heaviness is a little more restrained and the experimental side comes forward on this EP.

Bn1 (Bn1), Monday, 27 March 2006 08:42 (fourteen years ago) link

First Boxcutter and now Burial - Dubstep is leading the way in 2006 !

Burial on the Breezeblock

In session, Cinematic sounds from Burial a rising producer within the dubstep scene. Burial is a 26 year old from South London. This music is so far out, cool, fresh, haunting, eerie, atmospheric - INNOVATIVE and demands a listen.

Tracklisting info: Radio 1 - Mary Anne Hobbs [Now on Listen Again]

Burial music reminds me of Coil, dub, Omni Trio, Massive Attack, Eno & Byrne, Tricky, artcore drum n bass and the dubby side of early prog house circa 1992 ala Leftfield.

Deep aquatic spacey, eerie, haunting, dreamy, drifting, spatial music.

Leading dubstep music critic/writer: Martin Clark interviews Burial on the blog Blackdown

Plus free MP3 samples

Burial “Burial” is out on Hyperdub in May. Album of the year anyone? asks Martin Clark


Hyperdub: Burial

BURIAL: BURIAL - HDBCD001
OUT MAY 15th 2006

This first album on Kode9’s Hyperdub label comes from the mysterious Burial. On this self-titled CD debut, Burial carves out a sound which sends the dormant slinky syncopations of uk garage, via radio interference, into a padded cell of cushioned, muffled bass, passing through the best of Pole’s Berlin crackle dub.

Burial explores a tangential, parallel dimension of the growing sound of dubstep. Burial’s parallel dimension sounds set in a near future South London underwater. You can never tell if the crackle is the burning static off pirate radio transmissions, or the tropical downpour of the submerged city outside the window. In their sometimes suffocating melancholy, most of these tracks seem to yearn for drowned lovers. The smouldering desire of ‘Distant Lights’ is cooled only by the percussive ice sharp slicing of blades and jets of hot air blowing from the bass. Listen also for a fleeting appearance from Hyperdub’s resident vocalist, the Spaceape unravelling his crypto-biography. In its loud quietness, Burial takes his kitchen crackle aesthetic neither from the digital glitch nor merely a nostalgia for vinyl’s materiality. Instead, as ‘Pirates’ suggests, Burial crackle mutates the tactile surplus value of pirate radio transmissions. Burial’s mix is haunted. Echoed voices breeze in and out, on road to another time. Pirate signal from other frequencies steams in. A tidal wave of noise submerging all but the crispest syncopations. The noise is not violent, but caressing, tickling, exciting the ends of your nerves. Seducing you in.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.hyperdub.net/burial.jpg

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not feeling those clips, from a beat standpoint (or otherwise).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Dubstep Allstars Vol 3 is really good. By far my favorite of the series.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think burial's music works with short clips - it's more a cinematic feel that worked on the breezeblock 20 minutes mix...that buzz word again hauntology

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

when is this grup fad music going to die?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

that album sleeve for burial is pretty bad!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:54 (fourteen years ago) link

bad how? I like it, you mean it's cliched or something?

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno, it looks like a brochure for some 'urban city tour' or something. or like the cover for a bad sub-doom playstation game.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Its an aerial shot of Croydon, its where Burial lives.


He's just being upfront about his roots.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm rigid with anticipation for the Burial album, his EP South London Boroughs is great... like the history of British Urban Dance music melted down, the ghosts of jungle and 2 step, sat in a sea of crackle and reverb- and yes- HAUNTOLOGICAL, properly so, way more than other cited examples...

And I think the album cover is very appropriate to his sound- the city at night, glistening pools of collected rainwater, its evocative music and this art locks in well to the ethos he/she/they are creating.

And beats-wise its fucking great- proper steppy music with lots of off centre snares and kinetic hi hat action. Its a bit removed from the way most dubstep has evolved tho, not really halfstep and grinding sub bass, more swung beats and distant pulsings... its much more emotional too... and waaay better produced (engineering wise) than almost all other dubstep (notable exception- Pinche's Qawalli- a stonka of a tune) which in the main is a bit plasticy and obviously constructed in a soft-studio environment...

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

the text treatment for the burial cover is pure techstep

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

techstep

ala matrix

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-5522-001.jpg

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

ah discogs block images

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=5522

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Along the same lines, just slightly more tastefully done...
Vahid- have you heard dubstep allstars vol3 yet?

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

since when did discogs start blocking images?!?!?

no i haven't but i'm looking forward to it! i actually really enjoyed dubstep vol 1, wasn't so big on the youngsta mix (started out too slow, but it's cool once it warms up about halfway through). vol 03 though ... 30 tracks? AWESOME! loads more digital mystikz / loefah / skream? AWESOME! i think this one's going to be great!

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

ALSO SPACEAPE!

It's quite good. It might be my favorite dubstep thing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Agreed that vol2 is a bit turgid (bar requestline...) but the quick mixing style of Kode9's mix keeps up a fairly frenetic pace. Its unfortunate in a way cosa good third of the tracks sound brilliant, you could easily double the length of the mix and it would still be compelling. The lyrics on "dem a bomb we" are pretty grating tho...

And its a shame the last track Burial -"Prayer" only gets about a minute and a half...

The best Dubstep Mix I've heard so far has to be Mark One's Three Deck Mix, lots of decent tracks, not too boring, plus the extra deck means that half the time there's multiple tracks playing at once...

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

So...are the drums in dubstep supposed to sound buried and unintelligible?

(I know, I know, I shouldn't judge from tiny clips...I'm sure they're very atmospheric in long form, but the sound was consistent across all of them)

(and I guess since dude's name is Burial, I shouldn't even be questioning this)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Burial is not representative of the dubstep sound. His drums are supposed to be buried beneath layers of static, hiss, and crackle...

In the main dubstep is a synthetic sound built around immense sub bass, often only fuly comprehensible in a club format (ie DMZ). The drums are now usually whats become known as "half-step" 138 bpm (give or take) with aprox one snare per bar rather than 2.. takes the feel of 2 step and removes most of the drums, but still with fast hi hats... Musically it aims for either a dub war-inna-di-babylon vibe or cold futurism... yer basic dubstep might be thought of as say Loefah/Digital Myztiks, if you spice it up a little with dub and lee scratch perry you get Kode 9, or take a more cinematic minimalist twist you get Pinch, more goth and you get Distance, etc etc...

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad that my random "dubstep tune I will arbitrarily check for" selection (the Pinch track) is now becoming so feted.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

The South London Boroughs EP was one of the most celebrated dubstep releases of the past year. Last night I closed a set with Burial's "Nite Train" and it sounded fantastic.

tate (Tate), Thursday, 6 April 2006 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

"qawalli" is almost minimal house... its a weirdly elegant take on the concept of dubstep. Bit odd its taken over a year to come out tho, given that I heard it on a mix 12 months ago... was it with the slow rate of release in dubstep...? I'm guessing they just press up the dubplates, hand them out amongst the elite and unless its a massive tune most won't get a proper pressing?

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

BBC Collective Dubstep Feature

BBC collective present the sound of dubstep

Dubstep! feature includes mp3 samples

Bass in the place. We bring you the lowdown on the UK's newest sound, Dubstep. Plus video feature, images and tracks. [via BBC Collective email]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah "qawalli" reminds me a lot of Matias Aguayo's "Are You Really Lost"...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

the garage pressure podcast things from sydney(!) still keep hitting the spot. 2 hours, updated every friday. http://www.garagepressure.com/podcasts.htm

koogs (koogs), Friday, 7 April 2006 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link

http://shoobydubby.blogspot.com/2006/03/shooby-dubby-20060307-grime-dubstep.html

SHOOBY_-_DUBBY_-_20060307 - Grime, Dubstep
SHOOBY_-_DUBBY_-_20060307
08:00-10:00 PM (CET) @ Töréspont Rádió >> http://torespont.hu / http://torespont.com
STUDIO: DST
Grime, Dubstep

Virus Syndicate - Clockwork [Planet Mu ZIQ120]
Virus Syndicate - On The Run [Planet Mu ZIQ120]
Virus Syndicate - Major List MC's [Planet Mu ZIQ120]
Mark One - Blow [Planet Mu ZIQ112]
Virgo ft. N.A.S.T.Y Crew & Guests - Down [A.R.M.Y. Bullet 004]
Mark One - Random [Southside Recordings SS056]
Virgo ft. N.A.S.T.Y Crew & Guests - March riddim [A.R.M.Y. Bullet 004]
Mark One - Airhead [Southside Recordings SS056]
Mark One - Anger management [Planet Mu ZIQ112]
Wizzbit - Breakdown VIP [Bingo 018]
Rossi B. & Luca ft. N.A.S.T.Y - In The Place [Relentless 001]
Dj Klassic - The Budz [Nexgen 001]
October - Dub junglism (Vex'D remix) [Z Audio Recordings 001]
Digital Mystikz - Neverland [DMZ005]
Dj Distance - Replicant [Boka 001]
Mark One - Zulu [Southside Dubstars 002]
Boxcutter - Brood [Hotflush 010]
Skream - Late night request line [Tempa 014]
Loefah - Goat stare [DMZ 006]
Loefah & Skream - 28g [Tectonic 003]
Digital Mystikz - Officer [DMZ004]
Mala - Jah fire [DMZ 002]
Digital Mystikz - Country man [Rephlex Grime2 LP CAT160]
Mala - Ten dread commandments [DMZ 002]
Skream - Smiling face [Tempa 016]
N-Type - Square off [Southside Dubstars 003]
Skream - Glamma [Tempa 016]
Skream - Lightning [Tempa 016]
Toasty - The knowledge [Hotflush 006]
Skream - Rottan [Tempa 016]
D1 - Degrees [Tempa 015]
D1 - I believe [SoulJa 008]
Digital Mystikz - Chainba [DMZ 001]
Loefah & Skream - Fearless [Tectonic 003]

http://torespont.hu/download.php?view.254
http://torespont.com/download.php?view.254

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 7 April 2006 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link


another new mix today:

http://shoobydubby.blogspot.com/

SHOOBY_-_DUBBY_-_20060404 - Dubstep, Breakstep
SHOOBY_-_DUBBY_-_20060404
08:00-10:00 PM (CET) @ Töréspont Rádió >> http://torespont.hu / http://torespont.com
STUDIO: DST
Dubstep, Breakstep

Scientist - Step it up (Dan Donovan for Don Letts Dub) [Select Cuts 6004]
Digital Mystikz - Mawo dub [Big Apple 004]
Loefah - Horror show [DMZ 002]
Loefah & Skream - Fearless [Tectonic 003]
Deep Alpha - All think (Kode 9's Alphadub) [Voltage 008]
Plasticman - Shallow grave [Terrorhytm 002]
Plasticman - Be there of be square [Terrorhytm 003]
Plasticman - Cha [Terrorhytm 002]
Dj Hatcha - Conga therapy [Tempa 011]
Random Trio - Lost city [Random Trio Productions 001]
Hatcha - Dub express [Tempa 011]
Benny Ill & Kode 9 - Tales from the bass side [Tempa 007]
Benny Ill & Dj Dinesh - London [Tempa 009]
Skream - _ [Tempa 016]
Appleblim - Cheat I [Skull Disco 002]
N-Type - Square off [Southside Dubstars 003]
Dj Pinch & P Dutty - War dub [Tectonic 003]
Loefah & Skream - 28g [Tectonic 003]
Search & Destroy - Candyfloss (Loefah rmx) [HotFlush RMX001]
Digital Mystikz - Officer [DMZ004]
Digital Mystikz - Officer [DMZ004] (reload)
Digital Mystikz - Ten dread commandments [DMZ 002]
Digital Mystikz - Chainba [DMZ001]
Digital Mystikz - Pathwayz [Big Apple 004]
Plasticman - The search [Terrorhytm 002]
Toasty - Like sun [Hotflush 006]
Toasty - Take it personal [Hotflush 009]
Toasty - Guesswork [Storming Productions 003]
Dubchild - Voodoo [Storming Productions 002]
Darqwan - Said the spider VIP [Texture 006]
Mark One - Stargate 92 rmx [Storming Productions 006]
Zinc - Whoa [Runnin 002]
Darqwan - Metro [Texture Recordings 005]
Vex'D - Angels [Planet Mu 115LP]
Vex'D - Bombartment of saturn [Planet Mu ZIQ131]
Vex'D - Bombartment of saturn [Planet Mu ZIQ131] (reload)
Dj Pinch - Quwwali VIP [Planet Mu ZIQ133]

http://torespont.hu/download.php?view.271
http://torespont.com/download.php?view.271

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 7 April 2006 10:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim Finney: I love that Matias Aguayo album! I'd love to see some more communicatio between these genres... that sense of icy urban minimalism is a common thread, even if the cultural history and beat structure is very distinct...

gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a Burial track up on his myspace... "Shutta" very very nice, broken down two step (so swung its almost out of time but not quite) the ghost of a dance diva and minimal almost postpunky guitars dubbed to fuck. I don't think its on his new album tho (shame..>)

gek-opel, Friday, 7 April 2006 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyone heard the VIP mix of Qawwali? Its more standard dubstep in terms of beat, but its actually even more minimal, almost nothing there at all... really i hope dubstep goes down this minimalist route...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://kode9.blogspot.com/

new kode9 single, 9 samurai, is lovely*. video is stunning too.

(* this almost certainly isn't the right word to describe it, dark and heavy as it is, but i do find a lot of this dubstep stuff is actually quite pretty in its own peculiar way. skream's midnght request line for instance, despite having percussion based on the sound of guns being cocked, reminds me of isan)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I can send you a second hand copy if you like Vahid - in good condition -- Tim Finney (tfinne...) (webmail), February 24th, 2006 2:00 PM

whither?!?!? =(

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

is shadetek's "meckle mix" more like dubstep w/ MCs on it or is it more like straight grime? i pretty much stepped off the bus when "aim high vol 2" happened (sub-diplomatic immunity 2 at best, no thanks) but for whatever reason i just grabbed the "meckle mix" and i like it a lot.

anybody heard dj maxximus new mix? i know it's not as current as dubstep vol 3 but it looks mighty exciting.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

It's more like straight grime (very little dubtep at all.)

The Maxximus mix is okay. It's similar to but not as good as the Shadetek mix, with weaker MCing and a slightly more off-kilter approach.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

didja get yours at aquarius? i hate on that store a lot but i tend to find good stuff there. last time i walked around sneering at the uber-pretentious psych/kraut/indie obscurities and then walked out with like a used copy of the new isolee (sucks, but still), "heavy meckle" (killer) and three used early warp singles.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The Meckle mix? Yes (cheaper than special ordering from FE which was the only other place which carries it outside of NY.) The Maxximus one I actually ordered from Boomkat, mistakenly thinking the pound signs were euros, which set me back a pretty penny. Sigh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

"whither?!?!? =("

Vahid I just sent it today!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

http://profile.myspace.com/dubstepheadhunter

Technical Itch sticks his oar in with 'Implant', which is great. been a fan for ages and this is a nice mix of the dubstep thing and his old style (deep bass, menacing vocal sample, trademark acid wibbling). other side not bad either.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:59 (fourteen years ago) link

wow! tech itch is back!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i wanted to start a thread on tech itch (and source direct and so on) and that point in 97 when tech itch was making tracks that were so slow and rigid and square that they were practically experimental techno (almost like black country techno but with a less annoys / more acrid sound palette)

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link

> wow! tech itch is back!

did he ever go away? 8)

actually, this week there are 3 new Tech Itch related 12"s available for download from tunetribe - a new Tech Itch (the label) release (EBK & Danny Holdtight, TI047), a new Penetration release (TI himself, TIP021) and the Ascension 001 split 12" thing (above) which is him and Headhunter. i make that 7 releases so far this year, with probably only the Implant thing actually on topic here... 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

where can i preview burial's new album?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

there's some tracks on Boomkat, and a Breezeblock mix somewhere online...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

url for that breezeblock mix (on barefiles) somewhere on this page - http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/features/themonthin/grime/05-10-06.shtml

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Dunno. just listened to Dubstep Allstars Vol. 3 and I find Spacecape to be way too present. Not quite congruent with the mix below.

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the Burial album out yet?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Nope. Out Monday. Sound samples at the bottom of this page...

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_blackdownsoundboy_archive.html#114298266029581805

Label page here...

http://www.hyperdub.net/burial.html

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

> Dunno. just listened to Dubstep Allstars Vol. 3 and I find Spacecape to be way too present. Not quite congruent with the mix below.

i thought the exact same thing - it's like an audio book at times 8) and the 30 tracks under the vocals, you can't distinguish one from the other. nice that he launches into Ghost Town for a while there though.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 May 2006 07:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Really really good Maxximus dubstep/grime/jungle/Rhythm & Sound goodness mix here:

http://www.voco-me.de/exchange/mix/dj_maxximus-blackboard_jungle_(24-02-06)_radio_fritz.mp3

Thank you Earplug for pointing it out!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 13 May 2006 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

HOLY SHIT

BURIAL sounds just like ... wait for it ... URBAN TRIBE!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Sunday, 14 May 2006 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks for the kind words about our Heavy Meckle CD, vol 2 is in the works and will feature a few dubstep tunes as well. Sheen and I have recently gotten heavily into that side of things due to the many good nights getting put on here in Berlin. Everyone still unsure, the best way to find out is go to FWD or any other night you can get to and hear the engulfing, chest rattling, bowel churning sub bass. It's a very unique and pleasant experience (if you like bass).

Matt Shiznaiza, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

That Pitchfork idea that Burial is somehow a ceremony of solemnity for the fallen career of Omni Trio...VERY FUNNY! The Breezeblock mix suits the description, though.

I'm looking for more Loefah mixes, the squishy darkness is great.

Scorn - Welcome to Birmingham presaging all this five years ago: Obvious or Unrecognized?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

TAKING SIDES: kode 9 + spaceape "dubstep allstars vol 3" vs rockers hi-fi "dj kicks"

TOO BLACK! TOO STRONG!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link

BURIAL sounds just like ... wait for it ... URBAN TRIBE!

Yeah -- Social Theorist, Genome Project, Cultural Nimrod...

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

...but it is very good. My copy arrived today and apart from the rubbish raping of Mr Spaceape and his pseudo intellectual tripe it's a good album. Can't get over how gloomy it is. Here in London today it's dark, grey and dank...and this album suits the outside perfectly.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

That should probably say 'rapping' not 'raping'. There is no good rape kids. Stay safe out there :)

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i picked up three things last night: dubstep vol 2, dubstep vol 3 and shadetek's WSHT mix.

over the last two days i've been moving house - from a 2nd story apartment to another 2nd story apartment. from about 4 pm when i get off work (which starts at 7 am) to about 10 pm i've been moving several hundred pounds of books and music, stereo equipment, clothes, etc. i didn't want to rent a truck, so i've been moving everything in my tiny hatchback, six or seven boxes at a time. lots of running up and down stairs.

last night, muscles aching, seeing trails and outlines around things from sugar and water loss and all the endorphins swirling around in my head, lying on blankets piled on the floor (bed gets moved when i can borrow a truck) "dubstep allstars vol 2" sounded like some of the greatest music i've ever heard in my life!

i'm not sure if i can understand how people dance to it or club to it but if i were sentenced to hard, slow sisyphean labor for the rest of my life i couldn't think of a better soundtrack than "dubstep vol 2".

the best part was the transition of out the slow uphill slog of the first four tracks into "request line". that track is amazing! not sure why i never noticed it before but it's like welding the fidgety beats of plaid to the sound palette of early early two lone swordsmen with the thick bass of dubstep. insane!

OTOH "vol 3" just sounded silly to me. i hope i warm up to it but right now it sounds like trying-too-hard-to-be-rootsy euro beat music. is this the leftfield or rockers hi-fi of the 2000s?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm excited enough that i'm going to pick up horsepower's second album and both grime comps out of the bargain bin this weekend, even though i've heard horrible things about them from just about everybody.

not sure why, but my growing fandom for dubstep makes me think i'm transforming from a carefree nightcrawler into a sad, sad little man.

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i used to be friends with hairdressers and designers, would go clubbing five nights a week and listened to electrohouse and disco punk! now i spend my days getting insulted by teenagers, lying on my back at night in pain sipping green tea and listening to dubstep!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

you get used to it.

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

jess i think i am older than you!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I got the 2nd Horsepower Production album for 79 cents a couple of weeks (and Triple R's Friends and first Remarc collection and the 2nd Bug album for 99 cents.) Thank you Tower Records customers for having no taste!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

is the burial available anywhere in the u.s. yet? supposedly it came out in the u.k. yesterday. i can't find it on bleep (or even s1sk).

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

release date was pushed back to the 22nd i guess

sample clearance maybe?

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"i'm excited enough that i'm going to pick up horsepower's second album"

You've only got yrself to blame if you do this Vahid.

OTOH, "Request Line" is awesome yes. I think that new Davinche/Sadie tune I like whose name I've forgotten is a blatant tribute. Also have you heard Pinch's "Qawalli" yet? I would totally have put it on 6:33am Eternal if I had it in unmixed form.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I would totally have put it on 6:33am Eternal if I had it in unmixed form.

what's this?!

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Qawalli is locate-able on SLSK... also the excellent VIP version/remix is worth checking out...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

available on bleep as well if you, y'know, wanna do the right thing. they have a special ROAD section at the top of their BROWSING list which is all their DMZ / hyperdub / mu / ital stuff.

can't find DA Vol 1 anywhere 8(

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

the burial is around now

jergins (jergins), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i want to complain about the shadetek mix.

"WSHT mix", not "heavy meckle" (which is killer) ... it's sort of a dj rupture-ish thing.

which thread should i do it on?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link

you're here

jergins (jergins), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:37 (fourteen years ago) link

No one on this thread has pointed out how great "Anti-War Dub" is yet, right? Well it's great. This year's "Request line" probably.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I hear that track every time i go out now. That is a glorious thing.

emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

its a good one, yes. 4x4, but with drums that sound un-houselike--- clever stuff, and vocals as well (well vox samples)- and an instantly recognizable opening little synth riff too///

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

DJ Zinc has done a dnb remix of Request Line which he's been playing a bit during his podcasts. good but odd, like a step backwards, somehow.

http://www.bingobeats.com/mixes/

my copy of Dubstep Allstars #1 turned up yesterday. can anyone confirm the unfinished look to the graphics? mine had a promo sticker on it and i wonder if the artwork got an update for the final release. cheers.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I've not really properly engaged with dubstep before, but I'm totally loving the Burial album.

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and Vahid OTM - It does indeed sound like Urban Tribe.

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Burial is so aging raver. So milque-toast. So hermetic. So exactly what I thought it would sound like after reading the Dissensus wank-fest.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Perhaps try to look past the straw man?

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, but the time when chopped-up beats, some noise crackles and a few wistful vocal snippets had the power to signify an incredibly deep, poignant, and moving meditation on urban desolation and spiritual emptiness is long gone for me

I mean really, this thing practically markets itself to people who still take Simon Reynolds and Kodwo Eshun as gospel truth. It's a symptom of how inward-looking and -thinking a certain strain of British music has become

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, but the time when...is long gone for me

we're talking about you now instead of the record, huh? that's not so interesting.

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i look forward to hearing your scientific opinion on it

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

So boy child what's yr remedy then?

How is this any less hermetic than most music making going on everywhere right now? And why is its hermeticness necessarily a bad thing? :Preaching to the choir perhaps? (which is bad in general,. across an entire culture, yes....)

Where is this non-self referential music- pop? mired in po mo slow mo... metal? creating avant versions of past trends... Indie? Retro a gogo... Hip Hop? Improv? Norwegian Jazz? MOR?

To what leading edge would you direct us? (forgive the sarcasm- I would genuinely like to know...)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the time to meditate on spiritual emptiness and urban desolation is long gone, i think.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

'inward-looking' and 'aging raver' aren't epithets

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it's hermetic because for it actually to mean the things it's supposed to mean, if one believes the dissensian line, you have to be intimately familiar with the history and theory of the quote-unquote hardcore continuum. For instance, I happen to recognize those decaying mentasm stabs on South London Boroughs (although they don't really resonate much for me anymore), but if you don't, it's just another electronic noise.

And it's hermetic because a) very few people other than music critics know or care about the hardcore continuum b) the hardcore continuum itself is hermetic. It's just a way of constructing the musical universe in order to continually place a small subset of British dance music at the center of everything that is radical. And there were a few years when that subset arguably was at the center of British culture, if not anyone else's. But those years are long long gone, and dance music--and especially dance music like Burial--isn't anywhere near the center of anything anymore.

So sure, all music is self-referential, but when the references are picked up by a tiny audience, they become hermetic. Arctic Monkeys are totally derivative, but a lot of people like them--regardless of whatever media conspiracies you might wish to spin--and that alone makes them matter.

No 'remedy' is necessary. I don't really care about the 'leading edge,' in fact I think the very concept is bogus--a form of marketing, basically--and I'm actively opposed to it.

Aside from all that, I just think the emotional register of the music is so timid (and one could have said this about Urban Tribe, or plenty of Mo' Wax stuff, in fact a lot of dance music that professes to be for something other than dancing. It's all this wistful fading synth wash crap, and you have to work so hard at projecting meaning into it... which is perhaps why people wind up over-reading...

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

OK- I think analysis is fine for putting some personal context on a piece of music... but obviously it ought to stand on its own merits... I think Burial works on levels other to those of a "memorial" as some have posited, but if it doesn't for you, that's fine (I personally enjoy muffled stuff with crippled beats- on a sensual level, rather than analytical or context-based one).

I suspect Burial did not write this music with these references in mind somehow, these are post-justifications for the work of someone who works with samples, likes 2 step, and feels his production skills are sub par (wrongly) and therefore cloaks them in static (thats what he claims anyway).

Craetively speaking hermeticism is crushing to future developments of interest outside of an endless post modernist cycle thru past ideas, no matter how far said music reaches... (and I think innovation is more than a mere marketing strategy, although it is that as well)

I don't buy the whole Arctic Monkeys are big and therfore "important". Significant perhaps, as a guide to what people will buy, how marketing strategies work etc...

Whether something reaches to a big audience or not is not a guide to quality (either way) tho I suspect you would agree with me there. So therefore the AMs are just as hermetic, it just happens more people like it. That means little to me (personally). They are hardly reaching out in any way other than a market-defined one (ie- musically they are not bridging any gaps, they exist in an imaginative straight jacket even more limited than that imposed by the supposed hardcore continuum...). For me to enjoy the AMs would require just as much "projection" of meaning...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

It's all this wistful fading synth wash crap, and you have to work so hard at projecting meaning into it... which is perhaps why people wind up over-reading...

NO

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

that's total nonsense. i've played urban tribe, aphex twin, boards of canada, photek and so on for my parents and grandparents. it's not hard to instinctively "get it" - "this is depressing, isn't it?" is what my dad said about urban tribe. "it's like science video music" is what my mom said about boards of canada. "in tribal iran, tribal people play two-drum festival music all night long with the dombak" is what my grandfater said about photek.

OTOH i DO agree with this bit:

you have to be intimately familiar with the history and theory of the quote-unquote hardcore continuum. For instance, I happen to recognize those decaying mentasm stabs ... but if you don't, it's just another electronic noise

still, i don't think somebody HAS to be intimately familiar to at least get some aesthetic pleasure out of burial.

it sounds to me like you're somewhat over-familiar with those strategies - as is probably anybody who's been following basic channel since day 1! i could see that coming to grips with that might be much harderfor you than coming to grips with layers of strange electronic noise might be for an arctic monkeys fan!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

boy child, you might have the same feelings towards burial as i do towards so much microhouse!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't buy the whole Arctic Monkeys are big and therfore "important". Significant perhaps, as a guide to what people will buy, how marketing strategies work etc...

And I don't buy the whole "people are sheep" thing. As Hollywood blockbusters prove every year, you cannot make something a hit unless people like it. Marketing will get you onto the radar, but it can't do any more than that.

So therefore the AMs are just as hermetic, it just happens more people like it. That means little to me (personally).

That's a sign of your solipsism, then. Artwork does not exist independent of the world, or the audience, either in its creation or its reception. How the audience reacts is an intrinsic part of the meaning of any piece of music. And one of the most interesting things to think about, too. Certainly more interesting than exhausting the dictionary of adjectives droning on about basslines that collapse in on themselves, etc.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"this is depressing, isn't it?" is what my dad said about urban tribe

That's just it! That's all it is. You just get the idea that there's some vague sense of sadness in the air. There's no dimension or nuance to the sadness. It's all so wan, so one-note.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

how much more do you need?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Given that I can easily get much more from, say, any Miles Davis solo, it's not really a question of need...

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not saying people are sheep! Just cos something is popular means little more than many people like it... it might be good, or it might be bad... sometimes, lots of people get it "right" (in my view) sometimes they don't (again in my view)... they aren't sheep (suggestible yes, but so are bloggers and music crits... and everyone else).

Marketing does a bit more than get stuff on the radar, I think, although that is perhaps a large part of its functionality...

The AMs are hermetic CREATIVELY. They aren't building bridges ARTISTICALLY, merely COMMERCIALLY-- they sell more records. As this is not an indicator of quality (either way) they remain just as hermetic.

And how ARE the audience reacting to AMs then? Many (younger ones) say they are exciting, they say something about their lives, and they are good music to go out to etc. Many (older ones) perhaps say they are nothing special, but have some good tunes. Why is this interesting? Qualitatively?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - where are the extra feelings? does miles pick better notes than urban tribe?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Just cos something is popular means little more than many people like it...

No, it means it resonates in the kul-cha. It might not resonate in any particularly deep way. But why it does is worth teasing out, because it might tell us something about our society. (And that's what makes, say, Tom Ewing's Popular blog interesting.)

Aside from that, I find Arctic Monkeys far more vivid, entertaining, and complex on a straightforward musical level than Burial. I don't think you do need to know the references to enjoy them. But that's by the by.

Urban Tribe don't pick notes at all! Except maybe like one for every tune.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

you are treading dangerously close to a gear-ism of emotion.

"THIS song has MORE emotions than THAT song"
"THIS song has BETTER emotions than THAT song"
"THIS song has MORE MEANINGFUL emotions than THAT song"

without actually being able to point at the emotions are in this song or that. you will probably fall back on "well, i just FEEL the emotions" - which is ironic, considering you're accusing people of solipsism. you can't have it both ways - implying overreading or overreaching in other's interpretive skills and then taking a strong subjectivist viewpoint.

also these miles davis vs arctic monkeys vs urban tribe vs burial arguments revolving around fanbase are just idiotic!

did urban tribe spend years touring and playing clubs as support for better-known bandleaders? has burial been relentlessly playing shows and making the press? i don't think it makes sense to compare arctic monkeys and urban tribe when they're working w/ two very different infrastructures - and surely you're not going to argue that the infrastructure just sprung up overnight around the monkeys because they connect that much better w/ the fans!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

boy child, you are revealed as geir and i claim my $20

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost It's all atmosphere, that's the problem.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

no it's not! "peacemakers" has a beautiful chord progression!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Or are you saying there's no point in progress, and the only arbiter of reach is sales volume? [strawman alert I know...]

These are legitimate arguments... but need more clarity perhaps?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

ah, how quickly all internet debates devolve into technical meta-debates about the rules of debating. wake me when that part's over.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

here's another point: saying something like "see your dad proves there's not much depth to urban tribe" is not proving much - i played about 5 minutes of it to him and he was only half-listening. i am sure he could sit down with it - if he was so inclined, he mainly listens to smooth jazz and world music - and find much more there than "atmosphere".

so i can't point out your wack use of rhetoric without being accused of indulging in "technical meta-debate"?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Burial has been curated as the linchpin holding together the two prominent dissensus history-narratives ('hardcore continuum', and 'hauntology'). I suppose this kind of reification always risks feeling myopic or pretentious, full of superspecific or presumptuous self-importance. But I don't think this way is less valid than a "naive" sensuous experience. Is it a problem of a self-fulfilled prophecy of enjoyment? I actually feel a little partial to the thrust of all the frame/fiction dissensus sadness stuff but I'm also not sure Burial is such a benchmark album. I quite liked Kpunk's writing on it but where he hears worlds of ghosts I hear maybe a medium sized melancholic alleyway or something.

)alex(, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - wake me when you have something more interesting to say than "miles davis is better than urban tribe".

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

When more people like something it means merely that. No more! But it is useful as an indicator I agree, but of society, not of the music per se. And that indicator can be examined without enjoying the music of course!

oh and AMs aesthetically=death in my mind, it is true (probably as death as Burial is in yrs...)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

without actually being able to point at the emotions are in this song or that. you will probably fall back on "well, i just FEEL the emotions" - which is ironic, considering you're accusing people of solipsism. you can't have it both ways - implying overreading or overreaching in other's interpretive skills and then taking a strong subjectivist viewpoint.

also these miles davis vs arctic monkeys vs urban tribe vs burial arguments revolving around fanbase are just idiotic!

did urban tribe spend years touring and playing clubs as support for better-known bandleaders? has burial been relentlessly playing shows and making the press? i don't think it makes sense to compare arctic monkeys and urban tribe when they're working w/ two very different infrastructures - and surely you're not going to argue that the infrastructure just sprung up overnight around the monkeys because they connect that much better w/ the fans!

This adds up to the following: Any kind of qualitative comparison is impossible. Which is one big smokescreen that has been played out on a million threads before this one.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree, Alex, that like most things the IDEA far outstrips its purported musical incarnation (like MBV and numerous others...)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - i don't think it's smokescreen to point out that you shouldn't compare burial and arctic monkeys. why don't you compare burial and mj cole? or urban tribe and kenny g?

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"see your dad proves there's not much depth to urban tribe" is not proving much

I don't think your dad 'proves' anything. I just think his assessment is correct.

so i can't point out your wack use of rhetoric without being accused of indulging in "technical meta-debate"?

But that's not what you're doing. Instead of responding to the specifics of what I say, you're just jumping straight into a really tedious objective vs. subjective debate that could be applied to anything at all as a way of cutting the legs out from under me.

you shouldn't compare burial and arctic monkeys

There's no shouldn't about it. I'll compare anything I like, thanks. It's a lot more fruitful than pretending that everything exists in it's own... hermetic... little universe.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually Burial v MJ Cole is not a bad comparison at all... 2step vs 2step in different incarnations ....

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

oho, but boy child i just pointed out urban tribe use more than one note! and that their sadness is not one-note! and it's not hard at all to read meaning from their synths - even my old man can do it! respond to that!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Boy Child- I would like to know why you let the AMs off hermeticism on a musical-cultural level. Generically they ARE effectively pretending that they exist in a sealed world (about oooh 1978-1983 maybe?)

And whilst examining their impact and what that means is interesting (I've done it- it was interesting yes) I don't see why this means that this impacts on the music. You yourself seem to like them for the music they make, whereas I don't...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, you can read meaning in urban tribe. i noted that. it's just a rather one-dimensional meaning. When I said one-note, I didn't mean it literally.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

hmmm ... this is sort of like "green eggs and ham".

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

is Burial the 00s answer to Omni Trio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni_Trio

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I would like to know why you let the AMs off hermeticism on a musical-cultural level. Generically they ARE effectively pretending that they exist in a sealed world

I don't think they're culturally hermetic, because a lot of people like them. It's a pretty simple point, although one you seem to have trouble with. Formally, sure, they are--although I think an obsession with form is one of the most obvious blinkers worn by people who think from the dance music context. In terms of attitude/content, I don't think they are hermetic.

For the record, I don't think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread either. They were just a good... comparison... point with Burial in terms of the level of reference to a larger tradition in the music.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"THIS song has MORE emotions than THAT song"
"THIS song has BETTER emotions than THAT song"
"THIS song has MORE MEANINGFUL emotions than THAT song"

Of course, these things are not finally proveable. But the interesting thing is in attempting to argue about them, and thus attempting to articulate how and why a piece of music works.

What is not interesting is immediately jumping to the conclusion--this is not proveable! it's green eggs and ham! Because then what do we do? Stop talking and go home to our little universes.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

a lot of people like burial and urban tribe! it's a pretty simple point, although one you sem to have trouble with!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, you can read meaning in urban tribe. i noted that. it's just a rather one-dimensional meaning. When I said one-note, I didn't mean it literally.
-- boy child (bo...) (webmail), May 25th, 2006 1:18 PM. (later)

i would not call this "articulate"

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Of course, articulating how and why a piece of music works is the really hard part that takes lots of time and thought and struggle... and thus rarely makes it onto internet message boards.

And on that note, I have to go to a meeting.

a lot of people like burial and urban tribe!

yeah, must be at least 10,000 worldwide. Lots.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i would not call this "articulate"

Of course, articulating how and why a piece of music works is the really hard part that takes lots of time and thought and struggle... and thus rarely makes it onto internet message boards.

I don't exempt myself from this.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

considering urban tribe don't have access to the same infrastructure as exists to promote live rock music, i'd say it's pretty good!

you have to compare "number of people who heard UT" vs "number of people who loved UT" - i'd say the number would be high, better maybe than even the arctic monkeys!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

considering urban tribe don't have access to the same infrastructure as exists to promote live rock music, i'd say it's pretty good!

ah, there's always a conspiracy theory. poor urban tribe. if only they had the marketing, they would be topping the charts!

you have to compare "number of people who heard UT" vs "number of people who loved UT" - i'd say the number would be high, better maybe than even the arctic monkeys!

lol

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, but an obsession with form is hardly limited to those of a "dance-friendly" persuasion is it? I can see your viewpoint, but I find it difficult to agree with it...

And I would question whether examining music on the level of form is any more blinkered than yours...

"content"- is this lyrics to which you refer? "attitude"... well I guess my criticisms would again be along the lines of formalism there too! I get yr point, they reach a wide audience therefore they are non hermetic--- but why does this give them value on any level other than a socio-anthropological one?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

"I think Burial has been curated as the linchpin holding together the two prominent dissensus history-narratives ('hardcore continuum', and 'hauntology')."

I think this is the more relevant motivating factor behind any sense of disappointment with Burial's music: as per Junior Boys, it's tempting to assume that Burial is/are just being lauded for providing a neat composite of different music-crit strands of thinking popular within a certain bracket. The fact that it is a sonic composite makes me disinclined to argue that the music is hermetically sealed (surely it's less so than most of the dubstep it's played alongside?), or that this is the main issue at any rate.

Having said that, the novelty factor is much lower than for Junior Boys - almost certainly every person who'd be inclined to listen to Burial has already made the 2-step/dub-techno connection in their head. In fact the overwhelming majority discussion about Burial could all easily apply to Horsepower Productions' early work but for the historical developments of the past five years (the decline of 2-step, the rise of grime and its increasing drift towards hip hop, the increasing distance between 2-step and 90% of dubstep)allows people to add this whole elegiac "ghost of the hardcore continuum" dimension which didn't apply in 2001.

I don't think such a move is illegitimate: when you're deeply into a scene or group of inter-related scenes, then the shifting dynamics between different stylistic impulses can make certain approaches seem startlingly relevant even when they're effectively reiterations of what has come before. The "ghost of the hardcore continuum" dimension is something which people who are deep into jungle/2-step/dubstep/grime will pick up on a sensual level even if they've never read Reynolds. And it's not hard to see why people who've been slightly frustrated by dubstep's recent stiff-jointed grooves and inward-looking construction (the obsession with club-focused bass production mirroring precisely the same obsession which overtook drum & bass in the late 90s) might be overjoyed by the flickering reappearance of pre-dubstep sonic manoeuvres like vocal samples and 2-step beats.

(my private quibble with Burial, or at least Burial-type music, is that it uses these gestures-to-past-glories in the most obvious manner possible, they really are gestures rather than a meaningful engagement with the logic of 2-step, but there's other music that I like which does similar things vis-a-vis other past genres, so I'm aware that my issue here is partly motivated by my history as a 2-step lobbyist)

If Burial was being held up as particularly futurist or progressive, well, that would definitely be a step too far, but I don't think people like Reynolds/K-Punk etc. are actually doing this (in fact Reynolds noted on his blog that Burial's music was hardly surprising). If anything hauntology is a Dissensian crit-obssession explicitly designed to give people something to talk about while waiting for the next golden child of futurism to emerge.

(but I do think the "Omni Trio of the 00s" accolade is ridiculously off-base - surely this is based on a misreading of the media by people who haven't actually heard Burial (or Omni Trio, or both)?)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I wish there was somewhere I could stream that Burial album online... the songs on the BBC collective page didn't quite give me an indication of how much I'll really like this (I have the same doubts as boy child I think going by what little I've heard). Meh. Must reinstall slsk I guess. I'd definitely buy it if I did like it though. It's certainly a scene I'd like to support... even if I'm realising I don't find enough fascinating about it in total to give myself completely over to it(that dubstep forum... jeez) as ever I'm being a dilettante and skimmer, but there are some great, great records coming out of it all atm. That Shackleton (f'instance) tune (thx Ricardo) is something else! But a great deal of the half-step stuff (I think this is what seems to be making up a lot of the mixes I've heard? Stuff like "28g") I find sort of flaccid and way, way, way uninteresting for head or feet.

okay resume speaking eloquently (hell of rush post) :|

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - "If Burial was being held up as particularly futurist or progressive"

Boomkat called it "groundbreaking" but you know that's their style ;)

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

That seriously doesn't count.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The fact that it is a sonic composite makes me disinclined to argue that the music is hermetically sealed (surely it's less so than most of the dubstep it's played alongside?)

not. saying. much!

... allows people to add this whole elegiac "ghost of the hardcore continuum" dimension which didn't apply in 2001.
I don't think such a move is illegitimate

it's definitely not illegitimate. it's just the discourse itself is as exhausted as the music.

really, i'm just very tired of the hardcore continuum, and also constantly stunned at how tiny the musical world of Dissensus is, in contrast to the open-minded talk that's thrown around there. combine small world, grandiose rhetoric, and dead-end tradition...

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

take it to dissensus dude.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm sorry, did i diss your favwit band?

boy child, Friday, 26 May 2006 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

no.

ah, there's always a conspiracy theory. poor urban tribe. if only they had the marketing, they would be topping the charts!

but you say lots of stupid things.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 26 May 2006 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"it's definitely not illegitimate. it's just the discourse itself is as exhausted as the music."

If this is true it's only because of its specificity. One of the problems with talk of the hardcore continuum is that we know the origins of the idea, the inventors, the subject-matter, the music, the forums, the spruikers...

Most music crit discourse is no less exhausted except insofar as it's vaguer and less self-reflective, so we don't tend to notice it so sharply. Obviously most of the crit surrounding (them again) the Arctic Monkeys is much more tired insofar as it feeds off tired ideas about music which themselves fed off tired ideas etc. going back forty years. But because this forms so much of the general background of our lives we don't notice it so much.

In music crit terms perhaps ideas like "the hardcore continuum" are like the schaffel beat while more generalised music crit ideas (e.g. the tenants of rockism etc.) are like the house beat. Obviously the house beat has been "done to death" in the sense of sheer repetition much more blatantly, however the attention which the schaffel beat attracts to itself causes it to have a built in lifespan, beyond which it seems creatively exhausted.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 May 2006 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

"Steve Hurley is so ageing disco queen. So milque-toast. So hermetic. So exactly what I thought it would sound like.

Sorry, but the time when four square beats, some pianos and an exhortation to dance had the power to signify an incredibly deep, poignant, and moving meditation on alienation, sexuality and the feeling of being lost on the dancefloor is long gone for me.

I mean really, this thing practically markets itself to people who still idolise Larry Levan and David Mancuso. It's a symptom of how inward-looking and -thinking a certain strain of American music has become "

Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link

no you di'int

if burial is anything like omni trio, i need to hear this stuff now.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link

although omni trio did put an album out last year, so i think he's still the omni trio for the 00s.

can someone do a dubstep POV or X? i've been listening to a lot of breaks music lately and i think i would like dubstep, but i live mostly in the hermetically sealed world of minimal and therefore don't hear much of this stuff. the breaks album i have been enjoying the most lately is calibre's second sun which is one of the best drum and bass albums i've ever heard.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

(including the excellent house track!)

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link

just get dubstep allstars v 1 (dj hatcha) and v 2 (dj youngsta) and horsepower productions 1st album.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

so those are 2005, 2004, and 2002 respectively. nothing from 2006?

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

(actually 2004, 2005, 2002, but you get me)

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 26 May 2006 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Most music crit discourse is no less exhausted except insofar as it's vaguer and less self-reflective

I don't think this is true at all. There are plenty of great music critics writing about what's actually going on now as opposed to obsessively shoring up a tiny little corner of the past. Sasha Frere-Jones. Kelefa Sanneh. Jody Rosen. Frank Kogan. Just to pick really obvious names.

No idea what the schaffel beat vs. the house beat means. (Speaking of obscurantism, who the fuck cares about the schaffel beat?) Also not really sure what Jacob's point is supposed to be (although surely it muse rise above "you're stupid.") Christ there are some lame comebacks in this thread.

boy child, Friday, 26 May 2006 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, I thought about Steve Hurley some more... but do you really think he had that same relationship to disco that Burial does to hardcore? I mean, I only really know Jack Your Body, but there ain't nothing poignant about that track!

boy child, Friday, 26 May 2006 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link

It's poignant in the same way disco is...

My point is basically that revivalism or even a hermetic obsession with a certain sound and scene does not reliably preclude an interesting musical development. House was purely the product of a scene which was in many ways "stuck in the past" and trying to revive a semi-mythical disco golden age, but ended up being very different and creative in its own right.

It's one thing to say that the Burial record is musically uninteresting, but it's an entirely different (and incorrect) thing to say that because it is heavily influenced by a particular, and nostalgic, view of dance music it therefore must be uninteresting...

Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 26 May 2006 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"if burial is anything like omni trio, i need to hear this stuff now."

It's not.

"I don't think this is true at all. There are plenty of great music critics writing about what's actually going on now as opposed to obsessively shoring up a tiny little corner of the past. Sasha Frere-Jones. Kelefa Sanneh. Jody Rosen. Frank Kogan. Just to pick really obvious names."

Since when does Sasha or Frank = "most music crit"?!?! Of course they are great writers. My point is that the wealth of mediocre and derivative writers with their recycled catchphrases ("incendiary live performance" etc.) are much less memorable than "hardcore continuum", and consequently are much easier to ignore.

And yr right, hardly anyone cares about the schaffel beat now - that was precisely my point! if you didn't just assume you needed to contradict and belittle every point made by anyone else in this thread you might understand what people are saying a bit better...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 May 2006 05:31 (fourteen years ago) link

> can someone do a dubstep POV or X?

Skream: Midnight Request Line
Pinch: Qawwali (others swear by War Dub but i don't see it...)
Kode9: 9 Samurai (video is great, kode9.blogspot.com)
Technical Itch: Implant
Vex'd: Bombardment Of Saturn (or all of Degenerate)

try garagepressure.com's podcasts.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

(bonus track) Digital Mystikz - Anti War Dub!

Tricky, if you haven't heard the Radio 1 - Breezeblock - Dubstep Warz session listen to that too.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link

so basically tim, you kind of agree with me, you just want to be nicer and more sophisticated about it. let's not make any value judgments here, look at everything in context, etc. you're a good writer, but have you ever said a bad word about anything in your life?

boy child, Friday, 26 May 2006 10:55 (fourteen years ago) link

it's an entirely different (and incorrect) thing to say that because it is heavily influenced by a particular, and nostalgic, view of dance music it therefore must be uninteresting...

cool, cos that's not what i said! my comments were entirely limited to the particulars of burial, despite the apparently widely-shared desire to make them into a general argument

boy child, Friday, 26 May 2006 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"have you ever said a bad word about anything in your life? "

no, never.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Live Dubstep Radio Mix from Bristol today !

Radio Venn
http://www.vennfestival.com/radio/index.htm

copy / paste this link into your audio software such as winamp

http://live1.radiovague.com:8000/venn.ogg


today:
12.10pm Skulldisco Soundsystem
Feel it in your bones as Appleblim opens a portal to the world of Dubstep

until 2.pm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 3 June 2006 08:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim Finney said
"If Burial was being held up as particularly futurist or progressive, well, that would definitely be a step too far, but I don't think people like Reynolds/K-Punk etc. are actually doing this (in fact Reynolds noted on his blog that Burial's music was hardly surprising). "

to quote Reynolds exactly:
"* well Burial i guess is unexpected... but in a way that's kinda context-dependent."

I look forward to a Finney post not mean spiritedly tinted through 2step spectacles.

Brian Best (ukb), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

sum up skull disco in a sentence for me.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"I look forward to a Finney post not mean spiritedly tinted through 2step spectacles. "

Have I really upset you so much Brian? I can't seem to please anyone on this thread.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 10 June 2006 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link

good to finally hear some of this stuff out Meckle night was LOUD as fuck at Kapital holy shit I cherish my freq. filter earplugs lately! :O

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 11 June 2006 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i tried to google "autonomic for the people" to learn more about tectonic/skull disco and instead i got

[PDF] PEOPLE WITH A SPINAL CORD INJURY AND BOWEL MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Autonomic dysreflexia (severe hypertension) is a life threatening syndrome. unique to people with spinal cord lesions above the level of the sixth thoracic ...
www.npsa.nhs.uk/site/media/ documents/1224_Bowel_Report.pdf - Similar pages

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

seemed sort of fitting for discussion about dubstep.

ironic that people who spent the last several years moaning about techstep (dissensus folks) are now lining up to heap accolades on half-speed techstep.

if dubstep is the most exciting music of the moment (which it's not, it just can't be), does that make "ni ten ichi ryu" the greatest record of the 90s?

in the new issue of wax poetics, four tet says "everyone goes on about autechre and aphex, but i think photek ... [was] more ambitious than anything else going on; they were on a whole other level. [ni ten ichi ryu] is off the scale. what i love about it is not only was it trying to be the most innovative thing ever, it also tried to rock a club at the same time"

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

and yeah i'm beating a dead horse deader and deader but i heard there's big tracks out there right now called "hidden agenda" and "source direct"?? is that true??

it seems to cement reynolds' now 10-year-old prediction that "hardcore continuum" was destined to become a nostalgia industry, like dub reggae and garage psych.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

anybody mentioned moving ninja? 12 free mps (and not much else) available from their website. and a downloadable mix here: http://www.garagepressure.com/streaming_audio.htm

the new Sacred Symbols Of Mu compilation has new(?) tracks by vex'd, pinch, boxcutter and someone new to me but possibly my favourite track, distance. (along with 20 other tracks spanning the planet mu label's output. cheap enough that it doesn't matter that you don't like 50% of it!)

koogy wonderland (koogs), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Oooooooh.

EXCLUSIVE: The Roots of Dubstep tracklist
Ammunition + Blackdown present... The Roots of Dubstep [Tempa?@CD]

1. Steve Gurley "Hotboys (dub)" [Allstars]
2. El-B "Express" [Ghost]
3. El-B ft. Juiceman "Buck + Bury [original mix]" [unreleased]
4. Roxy "Breakbeat Science" [Bison]
5. Phuturistix "551 Blues" [Locked On]
6. Horsepower "Gorgon Sound" [Tempa]
7. Horsepower "Classic Deluxe" [Tempa]
8. Benny Ill v DJ Hatcha "Highland Spring" [Tempa]
9. High Planes Drifter (aka Benny Ill) v Goldspot "Sholay" [Tempa]
10. Menta "Snake Charmer" [Road]
11. Artwork "Red" [Big Apple]
12. Benga v Skream "The Judgement" [Big Apple]
13. DJ Abstract "Touch" [Tempa]
14. Digital Mystikz "Pathwayz" [Big Apple]

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_blackdownsoundboy_arc
hive.html#115081203524840322

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

track ID please!!!! from the (fucking awesome) Plastician set here:

it's the tune that comes in around 23:39, overlaid w/ a female vocal saying "oh, I get a rush..."

sounds a big like benga to me (what do i know), but judging from the setlist published at the link above, it must be geenneus, terror danjah, spyro, imperial, jammer...? no idea.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 29 June 2006 11:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.southern.net/southern/label/SRD/newreleases.html

for release on 17/07/06:
dubstep allstars vol 4

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 6 July 2006 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Loefah is better than drugs.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 17 July 2006 04:41 (fourteen years ago) link

He IS drugs...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 17 July 2006 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Is Dubstep Allstars Vol 4 really out tomorrow?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 July 2006 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Caved in to hype and bought the Burial album tonight. The last time I did this was with M.I.A., the time before that Dizzee Rascal. You'd think I'd learn. Oh, well. I like Witchman, I like the second Tricky album, maybe I'll like this.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Skream is playing up near my manor on the 29th. St. Mungo's High fi, who have provided a lovely local dancehall night for the last 5 or 6 years are supplying the soundsystem. Apparently, according to the guy that gave me the flyer, double what they usually bring to their nights. I won't know whether to shit or go blind, and I won't care either way.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Take earplugs. Pretty sure your bowels will be ok, avoid beans by day just in case.

I'm not amazed by the Burial album so far either, though it's o-kaaay, Nothing smacking me in the face with brilliance like Dizzee's singles or "wtf, is this it?"-ed me like M.I.A.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

OMG the BURIAL album turned out to be SO SO SO BAD.

"hauntology" = sounds like ENIGMA

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously if this burial album is the sound of a suburban london hauntological masterpiece does that make "mezzanine" the first great album of the 21st century???

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Vahid do you not like the first track or "You Hurt Me" or "Broken Home" even?

I guess I like Mezzanine though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i like "mezzanine" a lot!!

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

What's the problem then?

If you just mean the hype is a ridiculism taken to new levels, then yeah I understand.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the dudes at dissensus (esp the pale ones w/ skinny arms and fancy blogs about dubstep) are full-time ridiculists

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Burial is pretty shite. I really don't see why he's garnered the heavy hype. In fact, I'm kind of completely confused as to how someone I rank so lowly seems to have been railroaded by a certain set as the apotheosis of this shit when to me he is a bore. Ho and indeed hum.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I imagine the similarities to dark emotive trip hop (Tricky, Mezzanine, The Private Press) might actually be quite startling to people who were never really into that stuff in the first place. A friend of mine who is into Burial was shocked when I compared the album to DJ Shadow b/c (I think) she'd always dismissed Shadow as boring mood muzak.

In truth, both Shadow and Burial are mood muzak, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and I like the most overblown pop moments of the Burial album for largely the same reasons that I like the most overblown pop moments of The Private Press.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I loved Shadow as a youngster. Entroducing was the first electronic/indie album I probably ever listened to (I was 12 so fuck off). Burial I don't get the same vibe off of, I can't see him as today's skinny punks' gateway drug.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

You know like it's not easier, and it's not better. While Shadow managed to be both populist and fantastic. Burial is probably even harder to get in to than most dubstep. Skream has far more of a sense for pop (relatively).

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link

You can hate me now.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the Burial album (it works well as a full length and Tricky/Massive Attack comparisons are pretty apt, but I like that stuff too) but it's not obv not amazing (I think the Benga record is probably better actually.) But then again I didn't realize anyone actually thought this record was that amazing though. General consensus as far as I can tell has been "SOMEONE FINALLY RELEASES A DUBSTEP FULL-LENGTH AND ITS NOT HORSEPOWER PRODUCTIONS AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD" and well they did and it is.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

> Is Dubstep Allstars Vol 4 really out tomorrow?

the 17th according to amazon, yes. according to boomkat it's out in two days (but that's got to be a mistake, right, nothing's ever released on a thursday). ordered mine yesterday but it says '4 to 6 weeks' for delivery, so maybe not. it's a double cd btw, hatcha and youngsta mix a disk each.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 07:51 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
I like luke.envoy's 'Gamma' altho it seems archetypal but with just a deeper, darker bassline and busy enough to keep my interest. would really benefit from having an MC on it tho.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link

The Kode9 and Space Ape album is very good, probably better than the Burial album, although I'm on my first listen so this is preliminary assessment only. Very well produced indeed. I wouldn't have thought making a whole album with Space Ape was a good idea at all, although he is much less annoying over the course of an album than on a single track or throughout a mix (if I keep thinking about this i may even work out why). One advantage for Kode9 perhaps is that by having such consistency in the vocal department, listeners' attention is focused on the variety in the arrangements.

More thoughts to follow.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Mary Anne Hobbs: Warrior Dubz (heh, this & Various to the Cover Connections thread!)

The Lex's review of same in The Guardian

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw Digital Mystikz and Pinch last night, they were both very good

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link

this, the Kode9 lp, the Skream lp and the new Ed Rush & Optical lp (which is kinda off topic but not that much. and that Quarantine comp too) all shipping in the next couple of weeks...

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not really up on drum'n'bass (old or new) but I thought it was worth mentioning that DJ Clever (who jess iirc is always making reference to) has done a Dubstep CD mix recently.

Science Faction: Dubstep

01 - Scuba - Brown
02 - Pinch - Qawwali
03 - Gravious - Wormsign
04 - DJ Distance - Cyclops
05 - Hatcha & Benga - Progression
06 - Luke Envoy - Gamma
07 - Pinch - Punisher
08 - Scuba - Twista
09 - Vex'd - Killing Floor
10 - Scuba - Harpoon
11 - Search and Destroy - Candyfloss (Loefah Rmx)
12 - DJ Distance - Traffic
13 - DJ Distance - Nomad (Scuba Rmx)
14 - Mark One - Devil Boy
15 - Sileni - Twitchy Droid Leg (Vex'd Rmx)

(haven't heard this yet fwiw)

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link

02 - Pinch - Qawwali
15 - Sileni - Twitchy Droid Leg (Vex'd Rmx)

Badness!

Can some mod please change this thread's title? Makes me wince everytime I see it.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

dubstep is dead, yeah???

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yep, dead as soon as it goes overground in 5, 4, 3 ...

(or, is your point something about that tracklist being too old/familiar/too small a pool of producers vahid? it's hard to tell)

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, just about the familiar british-dance-subgenre hype cycle

burial = "new forms"
science faction = "run the road"
dubstep allstars 4 = "platinum breakz 2"
spaceape = bad memories of talkin loud spoken word stuff circa 98 etc

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7417/skream21dm8.jpg

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't understand any of those equations.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

The hyperbolic hype is getting to me. I don't want to hear how dubstep is the most forward thinking and radical new sound in dance music/the UK or whatever, ever again. The tendency of journos to always mention dark, paranoid Orwellian/Blairite London in any dubstep review is also wack. It's dubstep's equivalent of "cold, robotic, teutonic etc." whenever German techno is being discussed.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Where is this hyperbolic hype? I must be missing it, because most everything I read is just like "dubstep, some good stuff, a lot of it's boring, people who think this stuff is going to blow up outside of it's little scene are smoking crack." Okay Mary Anne Hobbs excepted, she's supposed to hyperbolic when these guys are appearing on her show.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

dissenus

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Ohmigod wait you mean a forum which is for all intensive purposes a dubstep forum (there is another one too, but I think most of those guys post on both) is high on dubstep?!?! Jeez who'da thunk it!? I hear that they still are into roots on the B&F forums too! Also I hear Dillinja still likes the music he puts out!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

From BBC website thingy I linked on the Skream thread:

The first truly exciting thing to happen in dance music since the turn of the millennium, dubstep appears to be reaching a kind of critical mass in terms of the feverish media coverage afforded to it. At the epicentre of this swirling hype tornado is Skream, whose eponymous debut album arrives this week looking like it could be just the thing to tip dubstep over into the mainstream.

The Lex's(!) review of MAH's Warrior Dubz compilation in today's Graun (N.B. he was calling dubstep boring like two months ago!):
This is a superb introduction to some of the most thrilling, forward-thinking music in the UK today.

Time-out:
A woofer-carried pandemic is on its way and frankly, resistance is futile

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't read no dissensus!

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I hear Dillinja still likes the music he puts out

LOL he would! what a clown.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't read no dissensus!
Well I have, but not on the regular.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i.e. it's shit.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha to be fair to Lex what else is there in the UK?

The other two are pretty silly, but that's pretty much par for the course on any music review anywhere. Most journo's don't try to make stuff they like sound boring.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

If you're in a hurry writing copy it's easier to be hyperbolic than to offer guarded praise.

I have this notion that DJ Clever's mix will be great, better probably than all the other dubstep mixes I have. This based on the fact that what Clever cherrypicks from drum & bass is pretty much exactly the same sort of stuff (once you slow it down a bit) that DJs should be cherrypicking from dubstep. That he includes "Qawwali" is a tentative empirical confirmation (yeah, I know, it's kind of an obvious inclusion at this point, and no way is "Punisher" nearly as good no matter what wack people say).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i.e. it's shit

the pretension at dissensus can be choking but they do mention good tracks that don't get highlighted here.

jergins (jergins), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, there are many things to commend it for. It doesn't have threads about how shit NME/Guardian is, or "best songs with the sound of someone giving the trombonist directions in it" and has a lot more discussion of dubstep. But I think there's a higher unreadable to readable ratio.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Some of the swill I read on Dissensus while ILM was down:

By minimal though, are you meaning dubstep ?

ardkore>>jungle>>drum n bass>>nu skool breaks>>breakstep>>dubstep ??

Those were both by the same guy. I'd call him the Geir of breaks.

But I suppose it was worth it to read this from Blackdown:

a big name minimal artist has the parts to at least two different dubstep artists' tracks...

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:21 (thirteen years ago) link

The guy I believe you are referring to is an industrial strength irritant who has been banned from various boards (incl Dissensus, but they let him on with a different handle- why?) On the Dubstepforum he constantly promoted his own dire tunes even after the point where people immediately told him to fuck off. Actually the key thing ILM has over Dissensus is humour.

@Tim Finney--- yes, there is no way Punisher could be thought of as even a quarter as good as Qawalli, (tho the VIP mix had some tastily engineered percussion in a minimal house stylee). Allegedly Pinch has moved away from Qawalli's sound now, which is really pretty unfortunate.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't even like the VIP that much :-(

I think maybe that whole masculine robot sharpness thing which defines so much dubstep (and which define both "Punisher" and the VIP against "Qawwali") is perhaps a very minor turn-off for me, it's quite astonishing how much I love "Qawwali" above and beyond all dubstep going right back to, like, mid-2002.

The Shackleton track that begins the Cassy mix (and is the best thing on there apart from the DJ Abstract track, can you believe this is me saying that??) is in a vaguely similar style, perhaps I should check out more Shackleton...?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Just wanted to Big Up a well done mix by Vaccine.

You can find it at the forum

Vaccine's track to start off the mix is quite good.


And Tim, I take it back, I'm not sure if you'll like Shackleton's other stuff really, its got a kind of sterility to it.

Clean, precise, experimental definitely.

Some of its really, really good though.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link

it's definitely worth checking out the full version of Blood On My Hands, and its flip 'Hypno Angel'. Skull Disco 3 is probably my favourite dubstep record, alongside Qawwali and Toasty Boy's Splash (check this one track out, honestly. not into his other stuff but this is great). none of Shackleton's stuff is anywhere near as warm as 'Blood' but it's all good.

a (rslvd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I changed the thread title as it had been grating on me also for a while now.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Finally I can sleep at night.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link

"Allegedly Pinch has moved away from Qawalli's sound now, which is really pretty unfortunate.

-- gekoppel (inabeautifulplaceinthecountr...), October 17th, 2006."

there's a new one by Pinch called 'One Blood' that sugests this isn't quite true.

martin (martin), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link

dubstep allstars 4 is surprisingly different from number 1 (i don't have the intermediary volumes). i'm kinda new to this music - what's witht he big stylistic change?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

just evolution i guess. a newish genre finding its feet (or losing its edge?)

(vol 2 is my favourite by some distance fwiw. also, check out the garage pressure podcasts (garagepressure.com).)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 20 October 2006 07:55 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm starting to think that I might have been sleeping on dubstep too long, having hardly listened to any (except 'Midnight Request Line') in the last 4 years. Anyway, I'm completely addicted to the DJ Clever mix, esp 'Qawwali' - what else should I be listening to? I wasn't really into the Burial or Skream albums, but if there are any mixes/tracks/albums more like 'Qawwali' I need them...

toby (tsg20), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:03 (thirteen years ago) link

(cough)garagepressure.com(/cough)

plenty on bleep as well, check the ROAD section in the labels dropdown.

and pinch's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/tectonicrecordings
and all his friends (distance, headhunter, vexd...)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

toby --

Shackleton - Skull Disco 3 (whole 12) / 'Tin Foil Sky' / 'Hamas Rule' / 'I Want To Eat You'
Toasty Boy - 'Splash'

a (rslvd), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

also Mala 'Left Leg Out' (sort of)

a (rslvd), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

http://datastormer.uw.hu looks handy too

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a cd length shackleton mix on the skull disco website that i listened to on the way home last night. never knowingly heard him before but he's now been added to my mental list of names to look out for. thanks for that mr supasupadupadupafly.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Saturday, 21 October 2006 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Man, Hamas Rule is just so weird!

I'd recommend it to people but I'm not sure that I even get it myself.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

someone posted a tracklist for that Shackleton mix over at dissensus that's not on the Skull Disco website

Shackleton - Mixed By DubSTa
01.Stalker
02.Fumes
03.Out of order
04.Qwack (Spell Shackleton remix)
05.In the next world
06.NDoki
07.Eat my word
08.Majestic visions
09.Make me cry
10.New dawn
11.Tala rasa
12.Blood in my hand
13.I want to eat you
14.Tin fail sky
15.Massacre
16.Language of the beast
17.Naked
18.Limb by limb

I'd grabbed something from there a while back, but I don't think this was it! It's really, really good this btw. And despite my enthusiasm for a lot of tunes here & there I haven't found a lot of longer dubstep-ish mixes impressing me much at all on a home/headphone listen. This one is definitely the more Qawwali-like end of things, maybe even a bit more interesting to my ears so far.

ennui (fandango), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

This looks great (new VA: Tectonic Plates 2cd)
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=24294

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Hi ILM, recommend me just one Dubstep compilation/mix/album to dip my toes into... is the Mary-Anne Hobbes one a good one for noobians? Thanks.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Why not have a listen?
http://www.barefiles.com/download.php?id=110

(Version with quite a lot of talking on, unfortunately)

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link

dubstep allstars vol 2, still the best.

i liked the freely downloadable 74min shackleton mix from here: http://www.skulldisco.com/tunes.html

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

DAH! M.A.H. has ruined Dubstep for me now! I HATE HER! I HATE HATE HATE HER! WHY DOES SHE HAVE TO GUSH ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THAT INSIPID SHIT-EATING WAY ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME!?!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

mind you, I like all the reggae-hop stuff from about 72:40 onwards on that mix chap posted - can anyone identify and recommend stuff like that?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I feel ya, DL, all that nonsense about DUBSTEP WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE is grating in the extreme. I've just ben skipping past the first few minutes of each mix.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

she does it with EVERYTHING she plays though. I think one of my first ever ILM posts was back in 2000 when I was complaining about her creaming herself over a Boards of Canada exclusive she'd got her grubby little mitts on. "Wasn't that just MAGICAL! We'll have to get them in for a session!". Another time I heard her play something that she described as "A repetitive beat... BUT A WONDERFUL ONE AT THAT!". That's the difference between her and her hero John Peel - John never bothered telling you to like what he was playing, he just did.

On this mix MAH sounds like she's being handed little slips of paper written by the staff at Q magazine. I keep expecting her to interrupt a mix with "Wonderful - The Guardian *****".

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

"Daring, intense and brilliant" - I Love Music

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link

the worst thing about it is she actually plays quite good music a lot of the time, hence ruining it all for me.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

gosh, pass the hatorade.

new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Can we at least give her the credit of being some months ahead of Q magazine AND the Guardian, if not the ILM massive here?

the worst thing about it is she actually plays quite good music a lot of the time

yeah what a terrible thing, imagine if she was this enthusiastic about SHIT music i.e. Zane Lowe :-P

new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I've aquired a few good mixes from Breezeblock without any talking on them. A pretty smart Adam Freeland one from 2001 or so, for example.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

shes still more bearable than gilles peterson.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

amen fandango, but then there's nothing to spoil with Zane's music.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

you can always buy the CD! ;)

new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I hate her voice. I have a friend who says she's his dream woman. I don't see it. Bit too enthusiastic for me, and I dislike the breezeblock because it's usually pretty boring peppered with some decent tracks.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

no one's told me what the ska-ish stuff on that mix is yet. I like it a lot.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a tracklist on the site (albeit one full of 'untitled's)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link

72:40 is midnight request line, but not the usual mix. this would put it in the middle of the hatcha segment:

...
Skream - 'Request Line' Remix (white)
Benga - The Blues (Benga Beats)
Benga - Zombie Jig (Benga Beats)
Skream - Dutch Flowerz (Tempa)
Digital Mystikz - 'Ancient Memories' Skream remix (DMZ)
...

The Blues and Zombie Jig is on this (samples here too)
http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/servlet/Info?Track=BENGABEATS1

Dutch Flowerz is on the skream lp and a single.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I got that Tectonic Plates 2CD set in the mail the other day. It's not bad, but it's not exactly world-alteringly brilliant either.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link

so, do people dance to dubstep? how does one dance to dubstep? i was listening to some skull disco stuff in the car today and picturing people doing the dances from the "beat it" video, like slow-motion knife-fighting and moonwalking on rollerskates. is this right? or is it just music to go out to a club and smoke pot to and drink beer in the corner of the room?

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link

One skanks.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

what, like at a mighty mighty bosstones show?

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link

:'(

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

or do you mean to erratically bend at one knee and dip the same shoulder, straighten up, repeat w/ the other side, and pretend you're dancing?

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

From a rather humorous thread on the dubstep forum entitled "What do you look like pissed and skanking?" It was quite blatantly this dude's excuse to post a picture of the girl on the right.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/adikaoates/normal_IMG_9883.jpg

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost. Basically, aye. It's quite good for the wallflowers though, because rather than just stand still they can just shuffle a bit. No need to actually get the hips working.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

what happened to that poor girl's face?

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

what, like at a mighty mighty bosstones show?
-- HUNTA-V (vfoz...), November 10th, 2006

if it was screwed & chopped.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

my friends and i invented a rad dance which we called "the crippled egyptian". it was like a slowed-down version of walking the egyptian, with a lot of bobbing. actually, david byrne does the crippled egyptian toward the end of "once in a lifetime". we did it to make fun of the dancing at dancehall clubs but i bet it would go over great at a dubstep show.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

dammit now i have to rip my bosstones album into audacity just to fuck with it. THANKS A LOT HUNTA-V

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost. If I won't spill my pint of guiness while I do it I might give it a bash.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link

btw that dubsta mix upthread is awesome! much more fun than just listening to shackleton tracks.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry, that is Matt DC in that picture, isn't it?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 10 November 2006 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link

No. Unless he's from Newcastle now.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

it looks geet like'im man!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

so, is this skull disco mix by dubsta considered half-step? or is there another name for it? it's very danceable, in it's own way, much moreso than the "dubstep allstars" comps i've heard (#s 1,2,3).

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I am really really loving this Ammunition and Blackdown Present The Roots of Dubstep comp.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link

so, is this skull disco mix by dubsta considered half-step?

I always think of halfstep as the half-time stuff with one snare per bar like Loefah's "Root" or whatever as opposed to anti-war dub or something. I think it's just some slap dash term.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Really like that tectonic plates 2CD. Bahl Fwd and the Loefah remix of Punisher are especially sick.

I'm giving that and the Digital Mystikz Cay's Crays remix a lot of play at the moment. When I'm not listening to the Katamari Damacy soundtrack.

Dan Barramouss (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Anyone liking the Bass Clef album.

Its not all dubstep, some IDMish beat fuckery here and there.


Some really solid mournful tunes though.

Josiah Schirmacher (Harry Knuckles), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Or the last couple Juju releases?

Liking Youthman Dub and Tribute especially.

Josiah Schirmacher (Harry Knuckles), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:44 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.hyperdub.net/burial.jpg

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Is good, yah?

Josiah Schirmacher (Harry Knuckles), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Well I guess if anyone is curious what my real name is now they know.

Harry Knuckles (Harry Knuckles), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Any thoughts on the Skream LP? I've gotten hooked on "Midnight Request Line" and the one with the flute sample ("Rutten" I think)...

Telephonething (Telephonething), Saturday, 6 January 2007 09:17 (thirteen years ago) link

From much much further upthread:

Burial on the Breezeblock

In session, Cinematic sounds from Burial a rising producer within the dubstep scene. Burial is a 26 year old from South London. This music is so far out, cool, fresh, haunting, eerie, atmospheric - INNOVATIVE and demands a listen.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Saturday, 6 January 2007 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Any thoughts on the Skream LP? I've gotten hooked on "Midnight Request Line" and the one with the flute sample ("Rutten" I think)...

-- Telephonething (ryanhup...), January 6th, 2007.

Check out 0800 if you like Midnight Request Line, its on Skreamizm 2 I think.

Harry Knuckles (Harry Knuckles), Saturday, 6 January 2007 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Jess's Roots of Dubstep review is excellent and thoroughly OTM.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

"I want this marriage consummated ASAP."

me too.

natedey (ndeyoung), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

i still think that skip-y, click-y perlong-style percussion + dub bass + heavily overdone echo and reverb + diva/ragga samples would basically be the greatest music in the history of mankind.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

which would make it grown up uk garage, i guess. but still.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah I was about to say isn't that basically Burial.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i would prefer it without the slurry of "atmosphere." (though i like the burial album a lot.) plus he doesn't really have much bass does he? and while, yeah, his grooves are a lot more intricate than most dubstep i've heard lately, they're not even as intricate as old school garage let alone something like pantytec.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

It's hard to tell how much bass there is because I am usually listening to mp3s heh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Was Skream "less celebrated" than Boxcutter on your side of the water then? I'm slightly surprised by that

Hell Hath No Furry (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

But I take your point. I mean the dream is clearly the Perlon axis becoming more jungle-ized, not so much DMZ adding twiddly skips or whatever (FTR: I quite like DMZ trudging thudstep, but I think there only needs to be one ya know.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

"Was Skream "less celebrated" than Boxcutter on your side of the water then? I'm slightly surprised by that."

I'll bet you neither record sold a thousand copies here in the states.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but i think the boxcutter album was probably marketed better, which is all i really meant. (planet mu and all.)

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

If you mean if you mean critical reaction, then the answer is no: way way more Skream pieces (or dubstep pieces which mention Skream) than anything on Boxcutter.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah I am sure there are more review copies of Boxcutter floating around heh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

let's face it: no matter who it is, this genre gets about 1/1000th of the attention even something like klaxons will over here, which is a lot of webzine love and maybe a page, page and a half in spin.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

My perspective on US critical attention is totally warped these days, because basically all I read is blogs, ILM, Flavorpill, Pitchfork and the occassional weekly (which is usually edited by someone whose blog I read or who posts to ILM haha.) I haven't picked up a domestic music mag in ages so I can't even imagine how much attention Klaxon will get and how that compares to other UK music.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess i'm supposed to pay attention to these things but i'd rather play literati and drink bourbon.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

bad rock critic! bad!

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

let's face it: no matter who it is, this genre gets about 1/1000th of the attention even something like klaxons will over here, which is a lot of webzine love and maybe a page, page and a half in spin.
-- acid waffle house (wt...), January 30th, 2007.

no need for 'over here' there.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

b-but i assumed old ladies were shocking out to loefah dubs during tea wot wot

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

seems pretty big up north, all this dubstep stuff. all i've heard about from hippy/crusty/forest party types for the last, like, 3 years.

i seem to dig completely different stuff to them tho, this guy played me a bunch of tracks a while ago, and i wasn't very good at listening at the time (he was scary, had scary strong weed) he seemed to enjoy the low end if it was all over the place.... the dubstep i've liked is where its super controlled, where you can hear the actual tones in the bass, i also like the filtering/screwing to be suble rather than the sloppy listen to all this fx kind of stuff.

george bob (george bob), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link

and of course the klaxons are going to get more attention.

warning, bad stereotyping!

pretty boys with not much to say vs. dreadlocked stoners with a fuck-you/carefree attitude

george bob (george bob), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Something wot I blogged yesterday that relates a bit to the discussion:

Listening to the excellent Ammunition And Blackdown Present: The Roots Of Dubstep I couldn't help but lament the fact that the lively and inventive rhythmic side of this music is being increasingly cast aside for the instant gratification of the huge drop and the lfo'd sub-bass. I find myself more and more drawn to dubstep which steers away from the worship of the drop and takes a holistic approach to track building: Pinch's Qawwali, Shackleton's hand-percussion meditations, Burial's other-wordly productions, Skream's electro synths, Mala's upbeat dancefloor bombs, etc. Of course the halfstep wobbler is not something to be lamented wholesale ... My hope for 2007: balance.

jimn (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

god are these guys actually going for the "drop" aesthetic? DID DRUM AND BASS TEACH YOU NOTHING??

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Well when you listen to a song where absolutely fuck all of any interest happens, where there is no melody, no intricate drum programming etc., that's the only conclusion that can be drawn. I don't think it's the norm yet but Loefah/Coki copyists with nothing of their own to bring to the table seem to be a bit of a trend.

jimn (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Boring wobblestep--- might be a bit better if they used more than about 3 notes, started deploying sabbath style riffs, but even most of the riffs are shit in that particular style. I was at he last DMZ and the quantity of that stuff with incredibly unintricate half step 70bpm drums actually bored me so much I was falling asleep on the dance floor, before deciding to leave (relatively) early.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Hmm.

March 3rd 2007 @ Fabric

Room1
RHYTHM & SOUND featuring TIKIMAN (45" session)
KODE 9 (Hyperdub)
LUCIANO (Cadenza)
CRAIG RICHARDS (Tyrant)
DOWNSHIFTER (Dublime)

Room2
Terry Francis, Anthony Rother LIVE more tbc

Room 3
HENRIK SCHWARZ live
TRICKSKI

jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link

RE: JESS ROOTS DUBSTEP REVIEW

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE MISPLACED MODIFIER IN 2ND PARA

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Was Skream "less celebrated" than Boxcutter E-40 on your side of the water then? I'm slightly surprised by that
-- Hell Hath No Furry (lackofinteres...), January 30th, 2007 8:03 AM. (DJ Mencap) (later)

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

tell it to your students

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

HAHA A SPEAKER THAT SMOKES DOPE
HAHA

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

seriously though i played some dubstep for my students (who are all huge e40 / wolfpack / hoodstarz / snap fans) and they were all "this doesn't bump enough" or "this is too slow"

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

and yeah, i've been trying to fit some of my krumping routines to a dubstep soundtrack and i gotta say i concur

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

wait... where's the misplaced modifier??

also, shackleton, shackleton, shackleton!

shudder redduhs (shudder), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

well, technically there isn't a misplaced modifier - you can tell from the verb tense what the subject is ... but the line still scans funny

"i doubt i'll have speakers big enough or smoke enough weed"

reads too close to

"i doubt i'll have speakers that are big enough or smoke enough weed"

which would be a badly misplaced modifier

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

"seriously though i played some dubstep for my students (who are all huge e40 / wolfpack / hoodstarz / snap fans) and they were all "this doesn't bump enough" or "this is too slow""

I was listening to the instrumental for "Girlfight" and thought pretty the same thing about dubstep. I mean why would a crunk/snap fan even bother.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link

For those complaining that halfstep is too slow you may be happy to know that tracks with swing are enjoying a revival.

Check out TRG and Shonky, and Intoccabile.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BEZX25YI

Distance - Delight
Shackleton - New Dawn
Toasty - Cold Blooded
Forsaken - Sensei
Stormfield - Haiku (Blackmass VIP)
Forensics - Depth Charge
Gutterbreakz - Black Ice
Trae - D. Swang (138 ScrewDub)
Geeneus - Dark Boy
Lycaon - Lynched
Intoccabile - Meditation
Bass Clef - Opera
Mala - Blue Note
Forsaken - Call to War
Soundbox - Dungeon Waltz
Benga - Electro Musik
Cluekid - Down and Dirty
TRG - Broken Heart
Benga - Still Rockin
Zomby - Memories (Darkstar Remix)
Shonky - Warning
Benga - Break It
Forsaken feat. Ben J - Window Seat

This is the tightest mix I've ever managed to pull off.

Hope you all enjoy it, some older stuff, some promos.

100% Quality.

And some Houston Screw stuff, just cause.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link

u need sum tearjerking techo in there for sure

rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

You might be interested in this mix then.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VTEIJEHE

Amb - Neutrino
Bodycode - Hands Free Computer Interface (The Mole Remix)
Swag - Drum Hydraulics (Silicon Scally remix)
Andy Stott - Hi-Rise
Ils - Only Way To Survive
ScanOne - Kick It
Johnny Dark - Can't Wait
Melchior Productions - The Later the Evening
FanuSamurai - Mantra
Extrawelt - 8000
Business Man - Dubby Games
Booka Shade - Night Falls
Justice - Waters of Nazareth (Erol Alkan edit)
Daft Punk - Human After All (Justice remix)
Modeselektor - Dancingbox (Sleeparchive remix)
BLista - Shine (Extended SAT mix)
Linus Loves - Night Music (Sweetlight Rave Mix)
SebAstian - Smoking Kills

A buddy of mine specializes in the house and techno.

And breaks or whatever.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link

siah thx for the mix on the dj thread ... i've been listening to it daily!!

but what did you mean to draw my attention to w/ that one??

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I just wanted you to hear the juxtaposition of some electro and dubstep, its the direction I'm hoping to take my stuff.

I thought you'd appreciate it.

Its very satisfying to know that you like it.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i started listening to it right after i started listening to alex smoke's "sci fi hi fi" mix for soma ... i caught a similar vibe off it, looking at detroit-style techno in a new context (here dubstep instead of minimal) ... again, nice work!!!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, basically I'm hearing the same stuff when I listen to D1 as I do when I hear Aux 88 or Drexciya. Or Arpanet for that matter.

I'd like it to be genuinely techno inspired, as opposed to what drum and bass people think of when they say techy.

Back in the day Benga and Skream got called Croydon techno by grime Djs, thats how I first heard of them.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

"plasticman"!!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link

so do dubstep djs wear army surplus military gear or technical sportswear?

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link

the styling still seems more d+b than detroit techno unfortunately

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link

there was a semi-funny article in mixmag last month about "how to dress and pose for your promo shot" divided by dance genre

the really funny one was the drum and bass one, which advised "make sure your posse photos look like the christmas photo for the residential staff of a maximum security prison. NO SMILING! this is jungle warfare, blud"

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm more on the Dickies and a hoodie end of things.

I've met Mala and Joe Nice, I don't know, they dress like DJs I guess?


Yeah, unfortunately.


Keep your ears open for Apocalypse by Whiteboi and Kommonazmuk.

Its Tech Itch style dnb at 140.

Pisses me off.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

And House was "look like you just had a 3 way w/ 2 models."

Gotta love the stereotypes.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link

haha yeah!!

only thing i can think for dubstep = dreadlocks is a must

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 4 February 2007 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link

For those complaining that halfstep is too slow you may be happy to know that tracks with swing are enjoying a revival.

Check out TRG and Shonky, and Intoccabile.

To be fair you won't hear half of this shit out at a a dance! (in my experience).

jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 4 February 2007 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Bunch of them are forum producers giving out 320s now I look at the list again. Not that I'm being critical of you or the mix (which I'll give a listen to when I get up tomorrow)! Just saying, maybe there are swinging tracks, but they're not the mass of what's getting played out.

jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 4 February 2007 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I think TRG's stuff is starting to get some play, he's got a couple of 12"s coming out as far as I know.

But yeah I'm half a continent away from the nearest dubstep night, and across the world from the UK.

I'm going by 2nd hand testimony here.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Contrary to my own prediction I really dislike DJ Clever's Science Faction mix ("Qawwali" excepted) - dire dour dirgy techstep without the speed as compensation. I guess that's what happens when you can only source tracks from Planet Mu and Hotflush.

I'm pissed that I spent money on it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link

dirgestep is the future.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link

God I hope not.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe deadstep. i think its gonna get a lot more variations. dubstep could actually be quite fruitful and spawn a lot of its own microgenres. i wouldnt be surprised.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link

much better

a (rslvd), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't like that DJ Clever mix much either... I should really give one of those Tempa mixes a go someday!

about:coffee (fandango), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Peverelist - he really really likes minimal techno doesn't he?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

dunno... to me it sounds more like Convextion/Deep Space-era Model 500 worship (plus a healthy dose of the Hard Wax axis) than any modern day 'minimal'

a (rslvd), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

although I'm thinking more in terms of texture than rhythm

a (rslvd), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Just saying, maybe there are swinging tracks, but they're not the mass of what's getting played out.
I've kind of already been completely proved wrong about this (saw Benga playing out, listened to a bunch of recent rinse sets). Dirgey halfstep hegemony = false alarm.

jim, Monday, 26 February 2007 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

peverelist: finally, the sabres of paradise have fanboy imitators!!

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 26 February 2007 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Name too much like pervert list for my liking.
Example of some new Skream that is absolutely killing me: http://www.bowzer.net/temp1/skream-oscillator_preview.mp3

jim, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:24 (thirteen years ago) link

dmz second birthday last night was fucking large.

jim, Monday, 12 March 2007 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck, this is turning into one of those rolling thread soliloquy things, isn't it?

Blackdown was right on his Pitchfork column. Joker's Kapsize EP is great. First track "Stuck in the system" is the standout.

JME's Derkhead is also great, I know I'm a little late getting to that but it's true.

Dodo-dodo-doo-doo-doo-doo-dooooo. Benga and Coki - Night is still great.

jim, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

"Bury The Bwoy" is really good as is this Skream vs. G-Squad thing.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone get wind of this "thugstep" thing yet?

Stevie D, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link

An ill wind!

jim, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy shit this Joker EP is great. "GRIMEY PRINCESS"!

Alex in SF, Saturday, 24 March 2007 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link

new Distance cd is great. new MRK-1 cd is almost as good.

fave track at the moment though is Blackout by Moving Ninja.

koogs, Saturday, 24 March 2007 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link

the joker ep is excellent, dubstep that is actually kinda funky and not joyless.

titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 24 March 2007 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link

It's not dubstep.

Are you some kind of bot automated to post the biggest amount of shite possible?

jim, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/robby-the-robot-1.jpg
"Yes I am, Jim".

jim, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
D1 - Trial run ep is pretty great. The highlight being coincidentally enough the D1, Mind and soul, a fantastic bit of vocal dubstep (vying with Burnin' and Tes la rok's "Round the world girls" for my favourite vocal dubstep tune at the moment) with slinky keys and quite cheesy but cool synth stabs. Vocals on a female r'n'b/chipmunk mode.

jim, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

on another ilx thread someone recomended a mix by christine vacine called "medicate with bass weight". downloaded it and been listening to it for ages. it's so... twinkly. dubstep often seems a bit er "grey" can anyone recomend me more stuff in this vein? prettier, perhaps more psychadelic even.

acrobat, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

at last

while it's nice that people don't have to shell out for individual 12"s anymore to hear this stuff in a proper fidelity, i reckon the music will suffer through being collected on 70+ minute CDs. it's going to make for a much more monotonous listen than throwing on individual sides, which aren't necessarily THAT consistent in quality anyway... (the 'review' comparing this to the rhythm and sound collection cds is well off the mark, they work perfectly)

pity there wasn't room for Skull Disco 6 either; definitely the best release on the label since 3 (Blood On My Hands + etc).

resolved, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link

correct link

resolved, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

vansan ftw

Belisarius, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

uh ... doesn't it include "blood on my hands"??

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

oh wait, i get what you're saying now

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.skulldisco.com/node/92

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

weird... I thought it hadn't included that either, resolved has to be WELL OTM about this format for Dubstep though.

I guess it's good for collectors and true fanatics but DO NOT WANT HAVE PATIENCE personally. Appreciate it's probably easier to archive stuff this way and keep in print but...

A label mix might have been better maybe?

fandango, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah sorry for the awkward phrasing up there, I just meant that Skull Disco 6 is easily the best release on the label since the Blood On My Hands EP so it's unfortunate it hasn't been included.

resolved, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

?? This is a label mix! It's everything the label has released!

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

a mixed mix I meant ;-)

fandango, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Eh there was an mp3 one of their site a little while ago. I'm sure it's easily findable. I think this release is really cool and I find Skull Disco's stuff eminently listenable for hours on end.

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

"one on", ahem.

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

or perhaps I'm talking absolute cock as I regularly listen to Blood On My Hands++ 12" on it's lonesome and love it...

(on preview I'm agreeing with that, I loved that mix yeah!)

fandango, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

is there still talk of a Shackelton album btw?

fandango, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I listen to the individual 12"s all the time too, I love the label. maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better about spending all of that money.

resolved, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

All what money? It's £10.99 for two discs! That's dirt cheap!

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

what was that shackleton mix called??

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

the mp3 one that somebody had up? it was great.

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

10.99 is dirt cheap. what I spent ((7 * 5.99 12") + (7 * 1 p+p) = 48.93), not so. my own volition obv, though.

I think the Shackleton mix was just called Shackleton mix by Dubsta (or something equally descriptive).

resolved, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah that sounds right to me.

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 April 2007 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Acrobat, you'll be happy to know that Vaccine recorded a follow up mix.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18589&start=0

Its the second one up there, one of the best mixes of new material by anyone in this scene in the last couple months.

There is a slight overlap in the tracklisting but its well worth your time.

Siah Alan, Saturday, 28 April 2007 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link

thank you! i should check that forum more.

acrobat, Saturday, 28 April 2007 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah the Dubstep Forum has tons of good mixes... it's essential now that Barefiles is gone.

DougD, Saturday, 28 April 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Killer Plastician mix pon the dubstepforum just now. Haga clic aquí.

jim, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I always forget just how fantastic the best bits of the Kode9/Space Ape album, which are a lot of them! My favourite stuff is all the ominous hip hop - the slowly stomping "Backward", the constantly shifting "Portal" (this is prob. my favourite), the delicate "Addiction". the tense "Bodies"... If all of the tracks were in this vein! On a positive note the recent Soul Jazz track "Magnetic" is fairly close to this sound, though on moreo of ambient dancehall tip perhaps owing to no vocalist.

I love that a lot of the above tracks are more on this kind of Japan "Ghosts" meets early Mannie Fresh vibe rather than same old same old dub stuff - I've always really disliked "Sine" to be honest. I like how effortlessly musical and agile and widescreen Kode9's more recent work has been.

Tim F, Saturday, 2 June 2007 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha perhaps the reason "Portal" knocks me out so much is that he sounds so similar to Target/Danny Weed.

Tim F, Saturday, 2 June 2007 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

http://media.sonar.es/alacarta07/lista1/kode9_160.mp3

Kode 9's mix for Sónar. File is tiny because it's streaming quality, 64kbps or some shit. Awesome selection though.

jim, Saturday, 2 June 2007 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^
cosignatory

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 2 June 2007 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Barefiles (a huge archive of Dubstep pirate radio sets) is back online! Alas, without any of the RinseFM sets because they're trying to start their own podcasting thing. But w/e. Still lots of good shit to be found.

Search: (mixes on Barefiles)

Plastician - May 07 (mentioned up-thread)

Excision - Darkside Dubstep, a classic mix

Lucky Strike b2b The Others b2b Rusko, mainly Rusko/Others tracks which means it's excellent; nicely sequenced

Plastician - May 2006, older mix, still very good

DougD, Sunday, 3 June 2007 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I love love love the Vex'd/Distance Dubstep/Metal mix for the Breezeblock - is there anything else remotely like this?

toby, Sunday, 3 June 2007 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm probably very much behind the 8-ball but Mala's Changes/Forgive 12 inch is great - so eerie! The harmonic synth chords! The cut-up choirs! I almost feel guilty for liking this kind of thing and not the bosh bosh stuff, like, my taste in dubstep is so boringly aristocratic. Or maybe i just like melodies?

Also Mala's stuff sounds fantastic pitched down to house tempos.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

there was an older vex'd mix available - 'adverse camber'. was very quiet though.

and i know i keep mentioning it but garagepressure.com does a good job of 2 hours a week of dubstep largely uninterrupted by shout outs. they've started archiving things for more than a fortnight as well.

koogs, Thursday, 7 June 2007 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

vex'd @ adverse camber: http://www.spannered.org/radio/1150/

koogs, Thursday, 7 June 2007 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Hi, just thought I'd add my two penneth' worth. I'm really glad I'm not alone in my thoughts on the Kode9/Spaceape album. I recently wrote a 1000 word review for Amazon as no-one had said anything despite it coming out last September or something and the bastards never uploaded it! Must have got lost in the ether. I basically spraffed how it was part of the freat linage of UK Dub going back Linton Kwesi Johnson, Mad Professor and even early Dreadzone i.e. stuff that's already been said about 8 million times regarding this album I 'spose. Stripped to the bones but arranged with startling originality and that's quite difficult to do.

"Sine" and "Backward" are the true stand-out's for me along with the very, very sinister "Correction". Had the pleasure of seeing both of them warm up for Rhythm & Sound at Fabric in March, which was blinding.

Has anyone heard the Cyrus from Random Trio album? Some people are comparing it to the Burial album but I've not heard it meself.

My Morning Jakey, Thursday, 7 June 2007 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Cyrus LP pretty much all previewable here (use individual 12"s rather than the cd):

http://www.boomkat.com/artist.cfm?a=13472

koogs, Friday, 8 June 2007 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Cheers, I never thought of checking Boomkat for some reason seeing as a sizable amount of my salary goes into their coffers on a monthly basis.

Yeah, impressed with what I hear from the outset. Sounds more fragmented and experimental than I thought it might, but I think Random Trio have that dynamic in places. Don't think you could compare this to Burial as from my perspective their influences are coming from different orbits. I can see how people would make that comparison tho.

My Morning Jakey, Monday, 11 June 2007 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i picked up n-type's "dubstep allstars vol 5" today, because i heard some liar say some lies about it being "intense" "big-room high-energy dance music".

LIES. it's the same old slow wobbly shit.

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 08:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Did you expect hard house?

Belisarius, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe something more along the lines of these kromestarr tracks

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link

or is it tes la rok?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link

i dunno, anyway about 5% of this is new and interesting, the other 95% (all these benga tracks especially) is pretty wack.

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe this music would sound better on a decent system if i was a pasty-faced weed-addicted shut-in

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link

What's with the number of dubstep artists with names ending in 'a'? Is this some phonetic thing that sounds cool, because for some reason it's gotten on my nerves after reading enough dubstep articles and browsing releases. It might be a problem with selective attention, though.
-ga
-sta
-cha

mh, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

ubetcha!

willem, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

is the souljazz 'box of dub' thing any goood? i know next to nothing about what's what in dubstep but loved the burial album and a lot of the other stuff i've heard.

LaMonte, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Received this email the other day, new Burial material out this week. Think it's available from Blackmarket today but for those of you outside the M25 it's online from Friday. After hearing 'Unite' on his myspace, I don't think it can be anything else but wicked.......
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HDB004 - Burial - Ghost Hardware E.P.
12" vinyl
A. Ghost Hardware
B1. Shutta
B2. Exit Woundz

Available in your usual on/offline retailers from Friday 15th June.

Available exclusively in Bm-Soho, London shop from Wednesday 13th June.

Watch out for HDB005 and HDB006 before the end of the summer.

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Catch kode9 & Spaceape live at Sonar (alongside Mary Ann Hobbs, Skream & Oris Jay), Barcelona this Friday night.

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Kode9 will also be playing at Fwd>>, Plastic People, London Friday 29th June

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'low end theory'
www.hyperdub.net

www.myspace.com/hyperdub

My Morning Jakey, Thursday, 14 June 2007 08:45 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont know whats happening in dubstep anymore.

when does the plastician album come out?

anyone?

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 14 June 2007 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link

myspace.com...

The Debut Album From The Plastician - "Beg To Differ".....

Tracklisting:

1. Intensive Snare (feat. Skepta)
2. Symptomatic
3. Shallow Grave 2006
4. I Can't Believe Its Not Benny
5. Real Things (feat. Chronik, Skepta, Tempa T, Frisco, Esco)
6. Hocus Pocus
7. Vio-Lent
8. Walk In The Carpark
9. Badboy
10. Japan

Is now being released on June 18th on Terrorhythm Recordings on CD & Download, with vinyl singles following including remixes of the tracks.

Finally after lots of setbacks we can confirm a release date!

koogs, Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link

that intensive snare song has a crappy hook but its good otherwise. bit quick to release it isnt it? no promo or anything.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link

oh boy oh boy oh boy! yay!

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=37739

StanM, Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link

THE WORLD’S HEAVIEST DUBSTEP, GRIME & BASS TRACKLIST!

CD1 DUBSTEP

1. CASPA – Cockney Violin
2. CLUE KID - Halogen
3. DQ1 – Wear The Crown
4. LOEFAH – System
5. CASPA & RUSKO – Custard Chucker
6. N-TYPE – Way Of The Dub
7. WHITE BOI vs KOMONAZMUK – Shank Step
8. PINCH & P. DUTTY – War Dub
9. JOKER – Stuck In The System
10. JAMIE WOON - Wayfaring Stranger (Burial Remix)
11. GOTH-TRAD – Back To Chill
12. EKSTRAK – Mass Dampers
13. ELEMENTAL - Tribute
14. SKREAM – Bahl FWD
15. KOMONAZMUK – Love

CD2 GRIME

1. FAITH SFX Ft. HYPA FEN, MARCHIEPHONIX, FLIRTA D, BIG MIGHTY, EARZ, JAMMER, Y.O., & NARSTIE - Oh My
2. LADY SOVEREIGN - Chi Ching (Cheque 1 2)
3. SWAY – Baby Father
4. DOCTOR Ft. DESPERADO, JENDER & FRAMES – Play Around
5. ICEKID & SICKMAN Ft. STYLO-G, LITTLE DEE, LIONESS, DIZZMAN & YOUNG DOT - Don’t Talk
6. MAN LIKE ME - Oh My Gosh
7. YES BOSS - Meet The Boss
8. ESKIBOY Ft. JME & EARS - Grim
9. TEAM SHADETEK Ft. SKEPTA - Reign
10. VIRUS SYNDICATE – Neva Argue
11. ESKIBOY Ft. JME – Carry Out Orders
12. STYLO-G Ft. ICEKID & SICKMAN – My Yout
13. ROSSI B & LUCA Ft. GULLY GANG - Music Money
14. ROLL DEEP - Flame Grilled Whopper
15. DAVID E. SUGAR vs EARS – First OK

CD3 BASS

1. DEEKLINE & ED SOLO Ft. MC FLIPSIDE - Handz Up Right Now
2. AQUASKY Ft. ACAFOOL – Have A Good Time
3. NAPT Ft. SKIBADEE - Get Back
4. BACKDRAFT – Off The Wall
5. BASSROCK MEETS ANTI-SCIENCE - Locked On!
6. SHANE THE CUTTER – Blood Runs
7. ED SOLO & SKOOL OF THOUGHT - Babylon Breaks
8. SCAM - Killer (Deepcut Remix)
9. BAOBINGA & I.D. – Extravaganza Man
10. BACKDRAFT - Popcorn
11. THE BREAKFASTAZ - The Pressure (Aquasky Mix)
12. DEEKLINE & WIZARD Ft. TOP CAT - Special Dedication
13. FREESTYLERS Ft. PENDULUM & SIRREAL - Painkiller (Ed Solo & Skool Of Thought Remix)
14. DEEKLINE & WIZARD – Woah
15. AQUASKY, FRICTION AND SPYDA – Control Freek

I have no idea if it's any good or just a shameless cash-in but I sort of approve of shameless cash-ins when they spread the net a little wider than the usual...

fandango, Friday, 15 June 2007 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link

nu burial yaaaaaaaaaooowwwww!

The Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 15 June 2007 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

that third disc looks like the worst music in the world hands down

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 15 June 2007 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

What a weird collection. I've been listening to the Skull Disco comp like crazy, but haven't had time for much of the rest (Box O' Dub kind of made me wonder why I was bothering.) Really nice interview with Shackleton by /rupture on WFMU Wednesday night btw.

Alex in SF, Friday, 15 June 2007 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Alex, search Mala's Changes/Forgive!!!!

Tim F, Friday, 15 June 2007 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually I do have that. It's good!

Alex in SF, Saturday, 16 June 2007 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

New Burial is very good btw.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 17 June 2007 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link

God it's beautiful, I had it on repeat all last night.

Dare, Sunday, 17 June 2007 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

"Stutta" is fascinating, like a warehouse full of speakers crammed into my headphones. I find myself chasing the groove, finding it for half a measure and then losing it, over and over.

I think I prefer "Unite" off the box of dub compilation to "Ghost Hardware" tbqh

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 18 June 2007 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

also: skream - essential mix

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 18 June 2007 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

that skream mix is pretty amazing, thx for the link!

StanM, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link

From last year, but I love Pinch's remix of Monkey Steak's "Lighthouse Dub". The closest thing to "Qawwali" I've heard by him.

The Skream essential mix is sounding awesome - so bouncy!

When I think of my favourite dubstep of the past two years (which basically means my favourite stuff by Skream, Pinch, Burial, Kode9, Skull Disco and DMZ peeps) it makes me disbelieve the whole "you need to hear it over the right soundsystem" argument even more than usual - this sounds great in any setting! I refuse to believe that it's because these guys are like the blog house of dubstep... it's because they make dynamic tunes!

More and more I just feel like dread-ladened, bass-dominated halfstep tunes are basically indefensible. As is crash scrape crash scrape dirgestep.

Tim F, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

# Klaxons-Not Over Yet(Skreamix)-EMI

!

tpp, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I haven't heard that yet but apparently Skream is a fan!

jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

More and more I just feel like dread-ladened, bass-dominated halfstep tunes are basically indefensible. As is crash scrape crash scrape dirgestep

^^ who would this be??

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw Vex'd the other night and it was a bit crash scrape crash.

jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

This is old I know but I've only just discovered how much I love Hatcha's disc of Dubstep Allstars Vol. 4. Very fun and bouncy, loving the Kromestar tracks. On the other hand, while I admire the uncompromising dirge of Youngsta's set, it really makes me want to rip my face off.

Also would like to confirm how lovely new Burial 12" is.

tpp, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

imo skream's essential mix is a good example of how dubstep producers are about incorporating a lot of different sounds (dread rasta, dirge, garage, tech, even the klaxons) in creative unpretenious ways.

it's very encouraging to a drum & bass head who watched the genre produce itself into redundant irrelevance.

and i've still never heard it on a big system (!)

The Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

fart bass and agressive drums was what i thought dubstep was, folks up in leeds are all well into that sort of thing. i've only heard the odd track from mala and burial, so is there lots more like this? please tell me more...

clocker, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link

There are plenty more Mala and Burial tracks.

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

mala and related: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=23775
burial and related: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=31732

probably about 2 days worth of samples amongst that lot, knock yourself out 8)

(myself i prefer vex'd and distance and the tectonics bunch. and scuba)

koogs, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.gotdarker.com/?fileref=c6521d92e4eb00df5eb311d776faffd0

Kode 9's Sónar mix.

jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh wait, this file was borked for me after about 40 minutes.

jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

"More and more I just feel like dread-ladened, bass-dominated halfstep tunes are basically indefensible. As is crash scrape crash scrape dirgestep

^^ who would this be??"

Stuff like Distance, Vex'd, Scuba basically.

I dunno, there's a real... tenuous quality to dubstep. Like, it's unlikely to work unless it can get its influences exactly right (e.g. Metalheadz meets Locked On).

Like, this Destructive/Stormin records mix from a while back is mostly bad post-breakstep, but then Search & Destroy and Toastyboy will pull out these amazing choppy tracks that are like Source Direct c. Controlled Developments. But it's such a fragile briilliance, like they're balancing precariously on top of a lot of bad potential directions.

Tim F, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd give Scuba another shot if I were you Tim, Paul's been pushing some of the more delicate and interesting sounds on Hotflush since way back.

Have you heard anything by Gravious?

Siah Alan, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i like scuba when they occasionally sound like a 2step drexciya ("harpoon")

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

His New Mix is evidence of the kind of line the Hotflush and Scuba labels have been walking lately.

I'm not 100% behind his selection here, but you can't fault some of the newer Vaccine material.

Its stellar, IMO.

It kind of reminds me of progressive trance a bit (like Vibrasphere),
tends to be more rhythm based though.

The drums don't suck.

Siah Alan, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

And yeah there's definitely a Detroit thing going on with some of the more laidback Scuba beats.

Scuba = Paul Rose

Hotflush Label founder, initially recorded as Spectr.

Siah Alan, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

in fact i think he lays it on a bit thick with the aquatic theme!

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

back off dude, that's someone else's terrtiory!

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not really sure if its deliberate or not.

Braille Diving is one of my newer favorites of his, the synths on that remind of Avalon era Roxy Music for some odd reason.

He's one of those guys I have to respect for all the effort he puts in, but I still only end up liking like every third track he makes.

That ratio's been getting higher though.

Siah Alan, Monday, 25 June 2007 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

What I meant was I'm not sure if he's deliberately trying to cop Drexciya's thing or not.

Theres a clip of Braille Diving at Boomkat if you're interested.

Siah Alan, Monday, 25 June 2007 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Ooooooh.

Ammunition and Blackdown present: The Roots of El-B

After the Roots of Dubstep, a process which was a total joy to do, compared to dealing with 679 for Run the Road 1, I began to wonder how the compilation could be furthered. “The Roots of Dubstep 2” would have been easy to do, but would it have been better? Instead I decided to build out the El-B section, to focus the whole next compilation on him. Of the three founding trinity – El-B, Zed Bias and Horsepower – the latter two have CD albums you can find. Yet El-B’s peerless material, as Groove Chronicles and as part of Ghost, is scattered across 40 or so obscure and long since gone white labels. The El-B LP never happened: I have a recording of the DAT of what did get done, but in truth his best work came out on the 12”s. The plan is to pull them all together. As I said on Radio 1, this is unfinished business.

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2007/08/seven-years-after-gorgon-sound-benny.html

Alex in SF, Friday, 17 August 2007 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Quite liking these new Hyperdub L.V. sides. Very Rhythm & Sound! Also excited about the new Bug and Flowdan thing, "Skeng".

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 September 2007 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

the new dubstep allstars by ntype starts off really well, quite a bit of energy, but then it slides into dead-step sounding stuff which just sounds like producers really not wanting to venture out of the genres trademarks at all.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I couldn't be bothered to even download it. I've been liking some of the more cross-over-ish type dubstep stuff (that Geiom track with Khaled is particularly nice.)

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Haha I guess I am liking the stuff that sounds more like digital dub (which is not too surprising I suppose.)

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

I can't find the grime thread but: grime got banned from rinse :(

tpp, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

did grime get banned from ILX too?

tpp, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Why did it get banned? And is anyone listening to grime anymore?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

i keep reading the posts on dissensus all excited where everyones all excited but cant say much of it seems all that good. especially when half of it seems really dubstep-influenced (but less boring obv) and not very hyper anymore. the eski beat artists are meant to be good but ive not heard them.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

the new dubstep allstars by ntype

Isn't really new, stop chatting shit as usual.

xpost. Grime is already unbanned from Rinse. It was just because of the behaviour of certain MCs, little rap on the nuckles from Geeneus.

half of it seems really dubstep-influenced (but less boring obv) and not very hyper anymore
You couldn't be more wrong. For different reasons. Dubstep is too hype at the moment if anything. Lots of really jump-up tracks, too many really. Halfstep hegemony, which never really existed fully, is completely done with (really, actually try going to a dubstep dance or listening to a recent dubstep record, or even just listen to that N-Type mix you mentioned, "Make me", "Punks", "Kalawanji 2", "Crunked up" all come in the latter part of the mix, not exactly "deadstep"). Not much grime that sounds like your made-up idea of dubstep either. Too much that's trying to sound like hip-hop and only succeeding in being boring. But there's still hype stuff. Logan Sama Kiss FM show from the other day with Skepta, JME, Badness, Ghetto and Wiley touching mic, ridiculously hype:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1bkhu

The crossover of Benga and Coki's "night" (see Benga's myspace) is cool but has came a little late because the tune has been ridiculously rinsed.

jim, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

Is "Night" the track on that extremely overrated Doogz EP?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

"Isn't really new, stop chatting shit as usual."

might not be new but its the last one in the dubstep allstars series.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

Is "Night" the track on that extremely overrated Doogz EP?

I've not heard Axiom but I know Goodz spits over Coki's "Shattered" on it. Not sure about "Night".

Oh actually, Night is on Benga's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/bengabeats

jim, Thursday, 13 September 2007 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

I still listen to the Newham Gens sets on rinse they are awesome although tubby spins dubstep mostly I guess.

tpp, Thursday, 13 September 2007 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

Also I think the Grime people are finally starting to become aware of what "bait hip-hop" is doing to their scene.

tpp, Thursday, 13 September 2007 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

rinse podcast = classic

tpp, Thursday, 13 September 2007 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

"I make the best grime music. Some man run up in the booth and lose it. Start spittin like dipset, d-block and g-unit"

tpp, Thursday, 13 September 2007 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

Classic.

jim, Friday, 14 September 2007 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

Skeng!

bass, Monday, 17 September 2007 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

Chef: Hi Benga!
Benga: Hi Chef - let me play you this new tune I did yesterday...
*plays new dubplate*
Chef: That's great - it sounds like an ancient bass ritual filtered through millennia of urban decay.
Benga: So..should I release it?
Chef: Nah mate, it's been rinsed.

tpp, Monday, 17 September 2007 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

xpost. Just bought it. Bigness.

Doctor can't fix you send fi the 'earse.

jim, Friday, 21 September 2007 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Is the new Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- any good?

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 15 November 2007 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

have not heard it yet... anyone else feeling pinch's "underwater dancehall"?

Professor Respect, Thursday, 15 November 2007 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

Pinch mix here (i think, there is slight confusion as he's also down as doing the non-downloadable show the week before but it does say 'DJ Pinch Mix Oz tour 2007' in the track listing):

http://www.garagepressure.com/podcasts.htm (Friday 9 Nov 2007, Part 1)

Underwater Dancehall on my wants list. am slightly dubious about the vocal cd though. nice to have the choice, i guess.

Hatcha's mix on the 10 Tons Heavy comp is rather good, only Planet Mu stuff but a lot of that's favourites of mine anyway.

Shackleton mix on MAH last night as well (starts about half way in):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

koogs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

spongebob is boring.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 15 November 2007 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

Is the new Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- any good?

YES the boxcutter album is really fucking good. If only Baz were a londoner instead of a nth irelander...

...the pinch one is choice too. Weird though cos most of the vocals don't work with the tunes and most of the tunes sound empty without the vocals

don't think anyones nailed the dubstep vocal sound yet. It's not dub poetry , it's not hibbada hibbida drum n a bass, it's not ragga inflected toasting. I thought that 'Various' had on 'Hater' but no one seems to have gone down that trak unless you count the burial/jamie woon thing and now we got britney appropriating the wobble...

...fun times indeed

one you should checkout is 'Space and Time' the 'scuba' compilation. Some of it is pretty hit and miss but it's a good current perspective on where the scene is at now...hotflush/scuba and dub police are more my dubstep yardsticks than hyperdub or dmz

plus it's got my dubstep tune of the year on it...vaccine_wishful thinking

pollywog, Friday, 16 November 2007 11:07 (twelve years ago) link

the richie spice vocal/refix worked brilliantly...

the pinch album is properly overated. seems slightly tepid.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 16 November 2007 13:11 (twelve years ago) link

Tempa 032 is going to be D1 "I'm loving". Funky house/dubstep crossover business, more of this please. http://www.myspace.com/d1dj (titled "The way you love me rmx" on the myspace player).

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

YES the boxcutter album is really fucking good. If only Baz were a londoner instead of a nth irelander...
Stop talking shit.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

shut the fuck up jim ya troll...

...don't even think for one minute if baz came from sth london and burial from nth ireland that it wouldn't be boxcutter being championed as the incarnate soul of dubstep pushing boundaries while burial would be some wierdo tinkering away on long dead music

pollywog, Monday, 19 November 2007 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

I downloaded the new boxcutter off of emusic today. it sounds really great on headphones out in the sunshine.

"rusty breakz" and "foxy" are my favorites so far. Comparing him to other dubstep producers seems a bit wrongheaded, he sounds like four tet with more low end.

Professor Respect, Monday, 19 November 2007 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

> spongebob is boring.

have just heard this (garage pressure, 16th nov, part 1) and have to disagree 8) made me sit up and listen.

koogs, Monday, 19 November 2007 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

I downloaded the new boxcutter off of emusic today. it sounds really great on headphones out in the sunshine.

I downloaded it from eMusic, too, largely as a result of your recommendation, Pollywog. So far, I like it. It sounds more electronic-y (even jazz-y) than dubstep-y to me, if that makes any sense; I guess another way of saying that is that -- unlike, say, Burial -- the Boxcutter disc does sound good "out in the sunshine," which is why I see it somewhat different from a lot of other music in the dubstep genre (on the other hand, I just may not know enough about the genre yet).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

...don't even think for one minute if baz came from sth london and burial from nth ireland that it wouldn't be boxcutter being championed as the incarnate soul of dubstep pushing boundaries while burial would be some wierdo tinkering away on long dead music

You're a clown.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

Kode 9 is from Glasgow and seems to do pretty well for himself.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

boxcutter seems more like milanese, sort of on the periphery of dubstep, but obviously paying attention to it, more obviously on certain tracks than others. not heard the new album but the last one wasnt bad. the last milanese album on planet mu is worth finding though. some really good production on there.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Do you mean this Milanese disc? This line, from the AMG review, caught my attention: Dubstep "is apparently hip-hop with dancehall reggae flavors and tech step dexterity. Or something like that."

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

so D1 is doing more house? interesting. that 'it will come' track on his myspace isnt too good IMO but the way you love me isnt bad. it samples some old 70s soul song i cant put my finger on. kinda cheesy though - id like to hear more funky house made using dubstep sounds/sensibilities if thats possible rather than dubstep guys just switching full-on to funky.

daniel, i mean 'extend', yeah.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

Scary cover image. A song on their MySpace page -- Matt Burden Sex Tape -- is downright frightening!

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

fine, then say something about the music then...

pollywog, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

"ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology"

not like you of course, right?

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^ die you cunts?

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Titchy, go start a thread asking people how to live your life instead of shitting this thread up?

Pollywog, go tend to your sheep or whatever?

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

Wow. The violence that's hinted at in Burial's music is directly on-the-table in Milanese's MySpace songs. Interesting in terms of the variances between artists working in a genre (and maybe a bit off-putting, for me, with respect to Milanese's music, but I'll try again).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Milanese once and it was awful. Clunking, lumbering rhythms and all the mid-rangey distortion your ears need to make you deaf for a week. Not recommended.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i find milanese a bit of a grind to listen to...

...i suggest splitting the difference and listening to vex'd or MRK 1 :)

pollywog, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

vex'd's degenerate album is really good. i heard a new 12 though and it was pretty bad. quite generic 'scary dubstep' fare. the type of thing i imagine my good mate jim knocking one off to. or on, while its rotating round the turntable.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

I hate angry dubstep.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

Erstwhile-nu-metaller-bedwetter-step.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

angry dubstep + Erstwhile-nu-metaller-bedwetter-step = spongebob.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

I think spongebob is slightly knowing. Well I hope so anyway.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

MRK 1 is really underrated, i guess coming from manchester wouldn't help his cause...

...i love angry dubstep, but i love the fluffy scuba type of stuff as well and the techy hotflush type of stuff and the dubby dubpolice stuff

you guys heard 'lonewolf - the tale of the rivers of shaolin' ???

crikey thats some metal type stuff which is rather good too...

pollywog, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

I hate angry dubstep.

What are good examples of non-angry dubstep?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Well most of it. There of course being a large distinction between darkness and anger. I can't think of a single Mala beat I would call angry for instance.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

Not even Bury da bwoy!

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

I do like angry dubstep really, especially where a vocal is concerned (skeng!) just can't stand darker than thou distorted po-faced bullshit.

jim, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Me too. Having said that, the Milanese -- on first listen -- was a bit much. But I owe it another spin, and a chance to sink in.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 November 2007 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

Skreamizm 4 whites were out about a week ago. Oskillatah is ridiculous jump up wobbly rubbish but I love it unreservedly. Nemisis(sic) is woeful but the rest is fairly entertaining.

jim, Sunday, 25 November 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't checked Skream's Rinse 02 mix yet. Geeneus's Rinse 01 was good, spanned the gamut of Rinse styles, dubstep, grime, few bits of funky at the end. Apparently Skream's one is mainly his unreleased dubs.

jim, Sunday, 25 November 2007 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.juno.co.uk/artists/Pangaea/

This release is absolutely crucial.

Deep swung techno influenced stuff, like a combination of Loefah, El - B and Rhythm and Sound at their best.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 25 November 2007 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

Very minimal (the adjective not the genre). Hessle Audio is definitely quite an interesting label. The TRG bit with the Ne-yo sample was pretty sweet. Terrible name though.

jim, Sunday, 25 November 2007 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

Hessle audio being the terrible name. My english isn't so good today.

jim, Sunday, 25 November 2007 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

Deep swung techno influenced stuff,

...sounds like our Hell Science Dept stuff

maybe one day people will find our stuff, listen to it with a clear head without being tainted by my bullshit and go...

...fuck me those lads were on it

but i doubt it...heh

pollywog, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

Hey Pollywog you should check your PMs on the Breaks forum.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

If it's not a link to 2 girls 1 cup you've gone down massively in my estimation.

jim, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

yeah my puter crashed Siah and lost all my links, so hard to keep trak of where i used to frequent, where i'm banned from, what my name on any given board was and a host of forgotten passwords...

pollywog, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

I was just wondering if Skrimshank had made anything new lately.

I liked the guys beats.

And Jim, I'm sorry, I do like some breaks stuff.

Not much recently but Ils and Tayo and a few others.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have a lot of hope for anything that great to come out of bassline breaks or Search and Destroy style breakstep these days.

Broken beat seems to have some potential, Benga made a track called Broken Dubstep that I'm a big fan of.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

I don't have a lot of hope for anything that great to come out of bassline breaks or Search and Destroy style breakstep these days

one word, RESO. Dude can mashit up breaks style or halfstep and his production values and drum progaramming are as high as toastys...

you heard the new zed bias ???

‘Experiments With Biasonics’

As a prelude to the forthcoming Zed Bias album on Sick Trumpet, Zed has put together a mini mix of some of the album tracks...

Right click here and choose ‘Save Target As’ to download!

1 - Time
2 - Rogue Frequency feat. Fyza
3 - Cottonmouth feat. Mark de Clive Lowe
4 - Bareknuckle feat. Broke n English
5 - Horrorzone feat. Ink Lined Minds
6 - Smile Within feat. Fyza
7 - Givin it up feat. Pete Simpson
8 - Complicated feat. Fyza

pollywog, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

His remix of Soil and Pimp Sessions last single was really good.

After years of middling house output it was nice to hear him do something a little different.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 25 November 2007 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

^^^reckon he might be burial ???...haha

pollywog, Sunday, 25 November 2007 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

skreams rinse cd is just loads of bangers.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 26 November 2007 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

What do you guys think about those Soul Jazz dubstep / future of dub comps?

mh, Monday, 26 November 2007 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

In a post-Burial attempt to familarise myself with the genre, I've been listening to the recent Soul Jazz Box of Dub 2 comp. All very pleasant, but the whole album reminds me of the Thievery Corporation, specifically Songs From The Thievery Hi-Fi. Not so much late night urban menace, as late night boutique hotel chill-bar. I'm not entirely sure that was the intention!

mike t-diva, Monday, 26 November 2007 11:13 (twelve years ago) link

Hah, whatever you do, don't say that too loudly. But I'd somewhat agree from the half of it I've listened to, but I still like it.

mh, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

"boutique hotel chill-bar"

i dont get that from all dubstep, just stuff that tries to work in 'world' music like pinch's qwali track. i generally loathe that stuff in general, its so poorly incorporated.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 26 November 2007 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

for all dubsteps protestations about not getting it unless you hear it on a booming soundsystem...

...it also works on the average cafe system turned low and in the background to allow for conversation

pollywog, Monday, 26 November 2007 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

D1 - I'm lovin' is the shit.

jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

I know this thread is mainly just an airing ground for disgruntled nu-school breaks fans to talk smack on dubstep but someone needs to keep it ticking over. I'm fighting the good fight here.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=70999

jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

"Broken beat seems to have some potential"

it HAD some potential.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Oh wow, a moment ago boomkat alerted me to the work of boxcutter; first thought: this is like a ray from heaven coming down onto me.

mehlt, Thursday, 17 January 2008 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

I've got the Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- but it hasn't grabbed me yet. Is that what you're listening to?

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 17 January 2008 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

Nah, just stuff from Oneiric. What I heard seemed more, errrm, Planet Mu of the 90s like Mu-Ziq etc. than contemporary dubstep, maybe. This sounded more rooted in IDM and well, I was also listening to it on laptop speakers, so the midtone melodies seemed more prominent, but engaging noenetheless. I think This might be me really needing a break from dance music, and kind of revisting more melodic IDM-ish music at the moment though.

mehlt, Thursday, 17 January 2008 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

I just got his new/old album - a bunch of unreleased stuff he did from 02-06 - which Planet Mu are putting out under his real name, Barry [forgot the surname but you can look it up]. Pretty good. Moves back and forth between wonky 2-step, breakcore, IDM and dubstep - I prolly wouldn't have bothered putting it on this thread otherwise but it sounds like you'd be into it based on the above post

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I just kind of threw it in here on a whim, it's really more breakcore/IDM than Dubstep, but nevertheless, thanks for the tip.

mehlt, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Boxcutter is pretty sick for what it is, but not really my thing.

Oneman is officially my new favourite dj. Playing now on http://www.react.fm/ I've not seen him out yet, but hopefully will soon. Lots of great 2step, grime, breakbeat garage and dubstep. Really hype selection.

jim, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNStVlJWy88

Benga & Coki - night, music video! What is the world coming to?

jim, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

Kode9 & Spaceape - 9 Samurai (december 2006)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaU-pnassYM

koogs, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, the Bug has a video too and I think there are probably other examples. I just meant that as part of Night's incredibly slow and inexorable rise there has now been a video slapped together in two minutes in order to promote it even further on MTV etc. I first heard it a year ago and I'm pretty sick of it by now but I suppose in a way it's interesting to see it getting radio play and a possible (if very low) chart position.

Benga album promos have came out and it is absolutely great. Leaked all over the shop if you're interested. Or pre-order it http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=72138

jim, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

I think we may finally have the crossover potential + cohesiveness + massive tunes trifecta in a dubstep album.

jim, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of benga:

"This week the current don of dubstep Benga is in the mix, he's recently stormed the clubs with Coki and their track 'Night.' Expect to hear the best new music, from an artist, hotly tipped for 2008."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/essentialmix/

yes, all those videos do look as though they were art students doing it as projects (and are all the better for it imo). i doubt that video was slapped together in two minutes though, probably took days to render 8)

koogs, Monday, 4 February 2008 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

Absolutely loving new Hyperdub act Ikonika. BLEEPSTEP madness.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 14 February 2008 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

oops:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diary-Afro-Woman-Benga/dp/B0012U345K/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=gateway&qid=1202991779&sr=8-1

"Diary of An Afro Woman"

koogs, Thursday, 14 February 2008 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

more opinions on "box of dub 2"?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

Oneman is officially my new favourite dj. Playing now on http://www.react.fm/ I've not seen him out yet, but hopefully will soon. Lots of great 2step, grime, breakbeat garage and dubstep. Really hype selection.

-- jim, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:45 (4 weeks ago)

I'll second you on this. I was turned onto Oneman via Blackdown's blog on Pitchfork. The set he linked is fantastic(Here). Wall to wall dubstep is far too oppressive for me so Oneman's 2 Step / dubstep selections are a match made in heaven. This set includes an old Armand Van Helden remix of Kim English on Nervous that is just fantastic. Anyone who is prepared to mix the old and the new like this (and so expertly) deserves some props. Please get this guy to mix the next Dubstep Allstars comp!!

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/48501-the-month-in-grime-dubstep

sam500, Monday, 25 February 2008 06:49 (twelve years ago) link

Is the new Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- any good?

YES YES YES YES YES

stephen, Saturday, 1 March 2008 08:28 (twelve years ago) link

is the new caspa & rusko mix the death knell of dubstep?

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 1 March 2008 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

when the annoying posh girl I live with who mainly likes "hip hop and reggae and the Oxford indie scene" likes dubstep, it's pretty much where drum and bass was when roni size released his second album, right? yes, yes, straw man.

caek, Saturday, 1 March 2008 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

is the new caspa & rusko mix the death knell of dubstep?

I don't think so. It's a dead end, it's boring and one-dimensional, but there's plenty of interesting and broad-sweeping new stuff out there to get excited about at the moment (Benga LP being a case in point)

braveclub, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

no, i think both of the above comments are fairly on point

the straw man comparison i was trying to draw was something like caspa & rusko = true playaz label circa 1996, or maybe even the urban takeover crew

(they even liberally pepper the mix w/ a version of the "super sharp shooter" chant!)

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

The True Playaz label was the death knell of jungle?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

moreso than techstep, i think

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

why not?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

Just seems random to me. I mean True Playaz just sort of continued doing what they always had been. It's like saying that the Wackies label was the death knell of reggae or something.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

Admittedly the Wackies label >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True Playaz label.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

so how about geiom's "island noise" - is this the best IDM album of the last five years?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 24 March 2008 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

:-/

jim, Monday, 24 March 2008 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

What are people's thoughts on Diary of an Afro Warrior? I'm enjoying getting into it, I thinkit'll prove to be a big grower. A lot of it is like a very much darker take on soca.

chap, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

Just me then?

chap, Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

It' s enjoyable, but the grooves feel so constrained, like Benga has found this tiny plot of land that he's gotta work with because if he goes too far in any direction it becomes something else.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:50 (twelve years ago) link

Really? I think it has a relatively loose and varied feel. It's less formulaic than Skream or Burial I'd say.

chap, Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:55 (twelve years ago) link

Actually I agree with both those statements. i mean more that the general core sound, that fitful, clomping, stuttery, almost 4/4 beat, just doesn't feel like the most obviously productive or interesting rhythmic matrix to work with, but it's the one he's decided to run with. He's a good producer so he makes it work, but it's an uphill struggle to make these grooves really compelling.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

That's what makes the whole genre compelling to me - take this stripped-down, minimal and on paper rather uninteresting framework, and craft something exciting with it. Dubstep's something the listener really has to engage with to be rewarded, I for one thought it was boring when I first heard it.

chap, Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

Quest's "Seafront" (on his recent 12" for Deep Medi Musik) strikes me as a better version (because more lush, more expansive, more full-sounding) of the sound Benga's going. Same basic sound but it doesn't sound awkward or constrained at all.

Tim F, Friday, 4 April 2008 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

hotflush have started doing high quality, free mixes for download. first one HFMX001 (along with some older podcasts) here:

http://www.hotflushrecordings.com/download.html

might be terrible, history would suggest not (46% and counting...)

koogs, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 13:11 (twelve years ago) link

Also really like Digital Mystikz's "Shake Your Demons" and Silkie's "I Sed" 12-inch (that one also on Deep Medi - best dubstep label ever ever ever? Assuming you don't count Ghost or early Tempa (I guess what with all the Skream EPs people will say late Tempa too).

To run with the jungle comparisons above it's totally the Metalheadz.

Tim F, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

i'd take hyperdub, dmz (these two can't really be neglected surely!) then punch drunk, tectonic, skull disco/applepips, hessle audio over deep medi. probably more... i love the mala 12" they put out, and the two tracks you mentioned above are good, but i can easily leave the rest. especially the hijak 12", the goth trad 12" and that tundridge 12" they just put out. i realise this is a minority opinion but those three are the height of borestep to me.

resolved, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I find most of the label's stuff pretty meh as well. Of course, I don't think Metalheadz was the best jungle label either.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

hmmm ... maybe i should look into this deep medi label

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

"Shake Out Your Demons" isn't on Deep Medi anyway is it?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

No it's not.

For me though they've put out at least three fantastic 12s from Mala, Quest and Silkie. I realise that's probably overstating things... but these tracks have a great and rather unique sound i reckon.

Tim F, Thursday, 10 April 2008 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

yeah by 'two tracks' i meant the quest and silkie, not shake out your demons. i agree with you, those three are good -- it's the rest i have issues with.

resolved, Thursday, 10 April 2008 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

oh my god . . . Peverelist

Between Infinity is Now and his Appleblim collaboration. This is where I go when I feel like listening to something really interesting.

mehlt, Saturday, 19 April 2008 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

The other producer I'm really liking is 2562, who seems to tie together just about every good idea the scene has at the moment: T++ style dub-techno atmospherics and 4/4 pulse, broken beat meets 2-step swing, Mala polyrhythms... I reckon Jess would really like these tracks. His remix of Pattie Blingh's "Brother: The Point" in particular is like the beyond of Zed Bias's remix of "Hook & A Line" or DJ Abstract's "Touch" that no other producer ever bothered to explore.

Tim F, Sunday, 20 April 2008 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't heard it but I'm keen to check out his 12 inch for Philpot under the moniker "A Made Up Sound" - the other stuff under that name I've heard is either broken techno or verging-on-instrumental-grime, so I'm wondering what he'd do for what is essentially a deep house label.

Tim F, Sunday, 20 April 2008 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

Tim: deep house.

resolved, Sunday, 20 April 2008 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

and it's very good, but drastic change in the output under that moniker following it.

resolved, Sunday, 20 April 2008 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

Received this e-mail from !K7:

Coup!

!K7 are buzzing on the announcement that the next installment in the DJ-Kicks series comes from the hugely acclaimed, underground dubstep producer BURIAL at the end of June. The South London producer is notoriously shy of press and public performances yet his last two albums on Kode 9's Hyperdub label have established him as one of the global leaders in this exploding scene on word-of-mouth alone.

The latest DJ Kicks from Four Tet, Henrik Schwarz, Booka Shade and Hot Chip have all pushed new limits in eclecticism, making linear genre-specific DJ mixes a thing of past... so who knows where Burial will take it next. We hear whisperings from the studio that he may treat his dearest dubstep, techno and even r'n'b tracks with his unique production style before mixing them with exclusive material and... well watch this space.

crispyben, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:30 (twelve years ago) link

I'm intrigued.

chap, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:51 (twelve years ago) link

Resolved, yeah I've heard the release since then - one of the tracks is Theo Parrish shuffle!

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

Didn't realize Burial was even a DJ. . . I could see this being very one note somehow.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

He isn't a dj.

jim, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe he'll get Plaid to do little interludes for him (hah!)

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

New ~scape compilation 'Round Black Ghosts' looks pretty great.

Tracklisting:

01 Martyn - Velvet
02 2562 - Channel Two
03 Untold - Test Signal
04 Pole - Alles Klar
05 Syncom Data - Beyond the Stars (SD Mix)
06 Ramadanman - Response
07 Pinch - 136 Trek
08 Peverelist - The Gris
09 Elemental - Raw Material
10 Pangaea - Coiled

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 07:25 (twelve years ago) link

BTW this was the Burial DJ Kicks I made last year (for a friend who liked the first Burial album and wanted 'context'):

1. Nu-Birth - Anytime (Dem 2's Nice & Sleazy Mix)
2. Horsepower Productions - Fist of Fury
3. Skream - Midnite Request Line
4. Wiley - Pick Yourself Up (Target Instrumental Mix)
5. Aaliyah - We Need A Resolution
6. Tricky ft. PJ Harvey - Broken Homes
7. Donnacha Costello - Dry Retch
8. Pole - Tanzen
9. Rhythm & Sound - Truly (Vladislav Delay Remix)
10. Dillinja - The Angels Fell
11. Hidden Agenda - Dispatch #2
12. DJ Shadow - You Can't Go Home Again
13. Johnny Dark - HCD 2

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

01 Martyn - Velvet
02 2562 - Channel Two
03 Untold - Test Signal
04 Pole - Alles Klar
05 Syncom Data - Beyond the Stars (SD Mix)
06 Ramadanman - Response
07 Pinch - 136 Trek
08 Peverelist - The Gris
09 Elemental - Raw Material
10 Pangaea - Coiled

VS

1 Skream Untitled (3:09)
2 Digital Mystikz Ancient Memories (3:23)
3 Loefah & Skream 28 Grams (3:53)
4 Loefah Midnight (3:08)
5 Skream Midnight Request Line (3:41)
6 D1 Crack Bong (Loefah Remix) (2:41)
7 Skream I (2:55)
8 Loefah Goat Stare (3:01)
9 Skream Monsoon (Loefah Remix) (3:15)
10 D1 Higher State (3:42)
11 Loefah Root (4:42)
12 D1 I Believe (3:51)
13 Digital Mystikz Neverland (5:42)

J@cob, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 08:30 (twelve years ago) link

It just seems to me that those two tracklistings immediately sum up what's different about dubstep now versus 2-3 years ago...

J@cob, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 08:31 (twelve years ago) link

Are you trying to criticise the shift or what Jacob? Or just note that expansion in artist base?

Because, yeah, "Midnite Request Line" and "Higher State" and "I Believe" and (especially) "Neverland" are great but that is it on Dubstep Allstars 2. The rest is deathly boring.

But you could totally make a boring contemporary dubstep tracklist - just lots of Caspa, Benga, bad Cotti etc.

Whereas Martyn and Untold and 2562 and Peverelist are actually very good!

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 08:53 (twelve years ago) link

I was meaning more insular local-based scene with a few tightly-knit producers and more of an urban edge versus globalised and slightly IDM-ish.

No qualitative judgement on that but it's marked. Kind of like jungle around 97-8 or so.

J@cob, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 10:09 (twelve years ago) link

Okay yeah, point taken.

Funnily enough, from my perspective it's kind of like the ends against the middle - Caspa etc. are on the other side of Digital Mystikz, Skream etc. from the Bristol dub-techno axis. I guess they're like the modern drum & bass equivalent - not IDM at all.

If I was sentimental about older dubstep I'd be worried about this shift to a bipolar genre, but pretty much everything I ever liked about dubstep (it's delicate, feminine, uptempo moments) are almost all on the one side. Maybe if 05/06 had been the story of Mala more than the story of Loefah/Coki, I'd feel differently.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 10:30 (twelve years ago) link

Sully's "Give Me Up" and "Flashback" are pretty awesome pieces of Toastboy-style junglist breakstep.

Tim F, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

tracklisting leaked for burial!!!

"stir it up" - bob marley
"i can see clearly now" - johnny nash
"don't turn around" - ace of base
"six underground" - sneaker pimps
"love theme from 'last temptation of christ'" - peter gabriel
"mutant jazz" - t power
"we tryin to stay alive" - wyclef
"here i come baby" - ub40
"emergency on planet earth" - jamiroquai
"alphabet aerobics" - blackalicious
"high hopes" - tali
"digital" - goldie ft krs-one
"tomorrow people" - ziggy marley
"i can see clearly now" - johnny nash

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

That looks remarkably... awful. But could be unexpectedly brilliant. Nice to see "mutant jazz" coming out of the woodwork though.

J@cob, Friday, 25 April 2008 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

Um that is totally made up, J@cob.

Alex in SF, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

dubstep allstars 2 is still my favorite dubstep comp

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

also alex in sf is a dirty liar

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

Allstars 2 is the last time I felt I could really connect with the genre. It's a bitch move to diss something because of it's fans, but fuck it, I find the whole thing way too student-y these days...

J@cob, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

Dubstep Allstars really need to get Oneman on the case. The way he mixes current dubstep with old 2-step is sublime.

sam500, Friday, 25 April 2008 10:55 (twelve years ago) link

My favourite dubstep qua dubstep mix is the Scuba mix from last year linked to upthread (I think it's on the hotflush website).

For a handy encapsulation of the new techno-dub/2-step revival trends check out this great mix here:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=54397327&blogID=368375169

Tracklisting:

D.R.E.A.M.
dub rules everything around me
volume 1

tracklisting:

1. likhan - uwill
2. pinch - 136 trek
3. likhan - terre
4. pangaea - nest
5. untold - test signal
6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
7. scuba - outmost
8. peverelist - the grind
9. scuba - inmost
10. scuba - beta
11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
12. 2562 - circulate
13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
15. 2562 - kameleon
16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
17. 2562 - channel two
18. ramadanman - carla
19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
20. headhunter - locus lotus

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 11:31 (twelve years ago) link

nice piece by kiran sande over at Fact on dutch duo martyn and 2562 here. i've seen they've already been mentioned a couple of times up thread.

i have to say, martyn is really doing it for me these days. i have a great track of his on a mixtape (broken?? - poss unreleased) that has this lovely dreamy quality (despite the jiy-normus bassline).

sam500, Monday, 12 May 2008 06:11 (twelve years ago) link

I've probably avoided posting here since I can really only learn from this thread and not contribute, but what's the deal with Darkstar? I ended up downloading a couple songs from a Hyperdub release on emusic and it seems quite a bit different from a lot of other things I've heard.

mh, Monday, 12 May 2008 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

RE: Appleblim Rinse FM Podcast

Is it possible to get it in more than 128kbps? A cursory skim shows t's probably best not wasted on a low bitrate listen.

mehlt, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

the 128kbs factor has kind of put me off listening to the rinse podcasts (probably to my detriment). i don't think they come at a higher bitrate unfortunately.

what i've heard of the D.R.E.A.M. mix sounds excellent so far (at 320kbs!!). thanks for the linkage.

sam500, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

LOL@ the idea that pirate radio should come in high fidelity quality

J@cob, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 05:37 (twelve years ago) link

perhaps this is something The Radio Authority could look into...

sam500, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

For one, this is a podcast for an established website, not pirate radio, no? Second, listening to just 10 minutes of this mix makes me feel like I'm in love. It's like the initial ambivalence I've felt toward what I've generally found to be too blocky and grimey for my tastes (e.g. Benga)* has been answered, and how. Like, mixes like this might be opening doors to new ways of approaching music for the next few years. If this was released as a CD I'd definitely buy it.

mehlt, Sunday, 18 May 2008 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

Rinse is a pirate radio station that happens to have a website.

Appleblim has mixed the latest Dubstep Allstars which you'll be able to buy on CD soon enough.

jim, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

And which is incidentally really fucking good.

jim, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

Tracklist?

Can someone explain to me the big deal about Flying Lotus btw? This is just Ninja Tune/Mo Wax redux, right?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

I agree.

jim, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

1 Peverelist - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #01] Gather
2 Peverelist & Applebim - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #02] Circling
3 Pinch - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #03] Get Up
4 2562 - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #04] Moog Dub
5 Martyn - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #05] Suburbia
6 Jus Wan - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #06] Action Potential
7 2562 - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #07] Morvern Dub
8 TTG & Selector Dub U - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #08] Harajuku
9 Peverelist - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #09] Infinity Is Now
10 Skream - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #10] Percression
11 RSD - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #11] Pretty Bright Light
12 Mungo's HI FI - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #12] Babylon
13 Komonazkuk - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #13] Bad Apple
14 Komonazkuk & Gatekeeper - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #14] Cheeky Herbert
15 TRG - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #15] Decisions
16 TRG - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #16] Put You Down (Ramadanman Refix)
17 TRG - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #17] Broken Hearts (Martyn's DCM Remix)
18 Geiom - [Dubstep Allstars Volume 6 CD1 #18] Reminiscing (Dubplate Version)

jim, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

Wow no Shackleton. Interesting looking.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

flying lotus is j dilla redux

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

for some people (such as myself) mo wax redux would be a very big deal

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

I think that's quite an insult to Dilla frankly.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

You may love Los Angeles then!

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Seriously it sounds totally instrumental hip hop '96 to me with a few '00s production touches thrown in!

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

I mean Donuts was only the end all be all of Dilla to guys Pincock. Most of Dilla's stuff was more than just production fan boy drool bait.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

oh? how about this then?

most mo'wax >>>>> dilla

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

cough, splutter, choke

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

Well that's nonsense.

What Mo Wax do you rate, Vahid?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

RPM? Palmskin Productions? UNKLE? La Funk Mob?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

MW 004 Marden Hill Come On (12")
MW 005 RPM Food Of My De-Rhythm (12")
MW 006 Federation Life So Free (12")
MW 008 Bubbatunes This Is Just A Dance (12")
MW 009 Palm Skin Productions Time & Space EP (12")
MW 012 DJ Takemura* Hoping For The Sun (12")
MW 013 Palm Skin Productions In A Silent Way (12")
MW 014 DJ Shadow & The Groove Robbers In/Flux / Hindsight (12")
MW 017 La Funk Mob Tribulations Extra Sensorielles (2x12")
MW 018 RPM 2000 / Sortie Des Ombres (12")
MW 020 Attica Blues Vibes, Scribes 'N' Dusty 45's E.P. (12", EP, Blu)
MW 023 La Funk Mob Casse Les Frontières, Fou Les Têtes En L'Air (2x10")
MW 024 DJ Shadow / DJ Krush Lost & Found / Kemuri (12")
MW 027 DJ Shadow What Does Your Soul Look Like (12")
MW 028 U.N.K.L.E.* The Time Has Come E.P. (2x12", EP)
MW 029 Palm Skin Productions The Beast / Trousers I Never Wore (12")
MW 029 R Palm Skin Productions The Beast Remix (12")
MW 032 P Money Mark Album Sampler (10", Promo, Smplr)
MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12")
MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12", Promo, W/Lbl)
MW 031 Sam Sever And The Raiders Of The Lost Art What's That Sound? (12")
MW 032 Money Mark Cry / Insects Are All Around Us (7")
MW 033 DJ Krush / DJ Shadow A Whim / 89.9 Megamix (12")
MW 034 LP Money Mark Mark's Keyboard Repair (LP)
MW 038 Attica Blues Blueprint (12")
MW 039 LP DJ Krush Meiso (2xLP)
MW 040 Andrea Parker Melodious Thunk (12")
MW 045 Andrea Parker The Rocking Chair (12")
MW 049 Innerzone Orchestra Bug In The Bassbin (12")
MW 056 CD Various Excursions (2xCD)
MW 060 DJ Krush Only The Strong Survive (12")
MW 065 Urban Tribe Eastward (12")
MW 067 DJ Attica Blues Tender (12", Promo)
MW 069 U.N.K.L.E.* Berry Meditation (12", TP)
MW 077 LP DJ Krush Milight (2xLP)
MW 079 Attica Blues 3ree (A Means To Be) (12")
MW 083 As One Planetary Folklore (LP)
524 589-2 Urban Tribe The Collapse Of Modern Culture (CD)
MW 095 Andrea Parker Ballbreaker / Some Other Level (10", Ltd)
MWR 105 CD Major Force West 93-97 (CD)
MWR 141 CD David Axelrod David Axelrod (CD)
MWR 155 CD Jordan Fields Moments In Dub (CD)
MWR 159 CD Parsley Sound Parsley Sounds (CD)

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

and i left out stuff that mo'wax compiled, like dj assault, liquid liquid, dj magic mike, divine styler, etc

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

the only stuff on mo'wax that i don't like is the solesides-related stuff (blackalicious, dj shadow, etc) and the nigo, tommy guerrero, etc vanity projects that crept in toward the end.

highly rate: andrea parker, urban tribe, as one, major force west, UNKLE, palmskin productions, la funk mob, attica blues all the various awesome major force and carl craig and 4 hero remixes they put on those early EPs

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

Blech. I have to assume you are kidding or you haven't actually heard much Dilla cuz thinking Major Force West > Amplified, Stakes Is High, Labincalifornia, Slum Village, hell even Donuts et all is pure troller-y.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway you will probably love Flying Lotus.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

I thought it was all vanity projects haha.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

Looking at that list it is now clear than I don't smoke near enough pot haha.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

oh wait, so you're going to count "stakes is high" and "labcabincalifornia" as dilla albums? can i count LCD soundsystem as UNKLE albums? because tim goldsworthy is on those, too ...

to be honest, i'm not super-crazy about "stakes is high". or "labcabincalifornia". i own all of the slum village albums, but i've gradually come to realize that each slum village album has about three good tracks on it. more or less they just keep remaking "tainted". anyway dilla's not on any of them so much, particulary the only one i *really* dig anymore which is "dirty district".

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

yes, it's true, mo'wax is music for weedidated white kids in hoodies, quite unlike, uh, "labcabincalifornia"

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

anyway talking about mo'wax is probably not a bad precedent on a dubstep thread

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not counting them as Dilla albums, but there are Dilla productions on them! The song "Stakes Is High" is Dilla! He did what half of Labcabincalifornia? If you are talking about complete albums, then I am not so sold on most of Dilla's (either one's he produced or under whatever alias he was using last), but no way a collection of his best productions doesn't shit all over whatever group of warmed over sample-jazz Mo Wax you want to put it up against.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

"warmed-over sample jazz" vs the thrilling sounds of late de la soul

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

Yay let's choose the further! Where's my Runaways UK record?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

former, ahem.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

Why is no one turning up to defend mid-90s Ninja Tune? DJ Food fans? Anyone?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

stuff didn't age very well. i still have a soft spot for Journeyman though.

rockapads, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

stuff on mo'wax is much better than the runaways uk because it's spacier, colder, darker, druggier. same reason most people say dubstep is better than other breaks-driven stuff, like, uh, meat katie. and why people say meat katie is better than the freestylers.

i like dj food! jazz brakes 4 and 5, recipe for disaster, refried food, the one krautrock / philip glass type music EP that came in the clear case ... all dope.

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

Runways UK is RPM. They sound almost exactly the same. And I've heard most of the records you list there and those are no the adjectives I would use to described most of them. But whatever I'm glad someone is getting something out of them.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

runaways UK is rpm?

that's cool, i mean roni size 93 is roni size 2008, doesn't mean there aren't good and bad roni size albums

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

More like Roni Size 94 is like Roni Size 95.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

there's always a line

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12")
MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12", Promo, W/Lbl

Are these two releases actually different btw?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

yes, the second one is "Promo, W/Lbl", you ask such dense questions sometimes

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

Haha well I want to be sure. Have to complete my Jimmy Lavelle collection ya know.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

mo wax put out some pretty turgid stuff over the years didn't they ? i couldn't stand attica blues for example. at least flying lotus has some bounce in his beats. will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the latest mary anne hobbs round up...

Radio 1 bass queen and biker chick Mary Anne Hobbs follows up The Warrior Dubz with a new unmixed compilation Evangeline for Planet Mu.

Like her first compilation The Warrior Dubz (2006), Evangeline brings together cuts from established names in dubstep (Pinch, Boxcutter, Shackleton), grime (Wiley) and techno (Surgeon, Claro Intelecto) with newcomers such as Unitz and Ben Frost. The compilation also includes cuts from two anonymous (but presumably well-known) producers: Cult Of The 13th Hour and Dakimh.

Tracklist

CD

01 Ital Tek – Archaic
02 Unitz – The Drop (CD only)
03 Shackleton – In The Void
04 Cult Of The 13th Hour – The Way Of The Gun
05 Wiley – Local Lad
06 Headhunter vs Ekelon – Timewarp
07 Darqwan – Universal Wan-ting
08 Ben Frost – Theory Of Machines
09 Flying Lotus – Flattery (Sympathy For The Biters)
10 Dakimh - Done
11 DJ Pinch – E Motiv
12 Magnetic Man – Ligma VIP
13 Tes La Rok feat Uncle Sam – Up In The VIP (CD only)
14 Surgeon – Right Road To Dubland
15 Boxcutter – Kab 27
16 Claro Intelecto – Beautiful Death

sam500, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

you're complaining about turgid on a dubstep thread?

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 22 May 2008 03:22 (twelve years ago) link

haha - yes this is hardly the place for using that word.

sam500, Thursday, 22 May 2008 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

Flying Lotus is really very boring.

But Appleblim's compilation looks excellent. "Infinity Is Now" is one of my tracks of the year, and 2562 can't really do anything wrong at the moment. Same pretty much true for TRG and Martyn.

Tim F, Thursday, 22 May 2008 08:09 (twelve years ago) link

flying lotus's "dance floor stalker" is a lovely track.

sam500, Thursday, 22 May 2008 08:36 (twelve years ago) link

tim finney = OTM, 99% of the time

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 22 May 2008 08:50 (twelve years ago) link

i'll get my coat. (i still stand by flying lotus though)

sam500, Thursday, 22 May 2008 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

this might be that 1%

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 22 May 2008 09:28 (twelve years ago) link

sometimes i wonder why so much stuff that i find "relaxing" other people label "boring"

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 22 May 2008 09:31 (twelve years ago) link

lol@carl craig's thoughts on dubstep -
http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/948/?pageno=7
Do you follow Dubstep?
Not actively, no. I had this really intense conversation with a guy at Rush Hour records in Amsterdam, a guy that was shopping there. He was almost, he was trying to force me to like Dubstep. You know, to just — to just tell him that I thought it was amazing. I was like, "I don't even know!" I know what Dubstep is but I don't know much of the music. He's like, "Ok, listen to this!" And the track that he played was a really boring dub reggae-ish record. Dub is great for three minutes each track. But 10 minutes, it's like, what the fuck is this? I like music. I don't care if it's Techno or House or dub reggae or Trance… Ok, I do kinda there. But if it's a good track, that's what I'm interested in. I don't care what style it is. If fucking Britney Spears makes a track that's good, I'm gonna like it.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 10:11 (twelve years ago) link

The appleblim is definitely great - i heard a good 2/3 of it ahead of time but it still mixes nice.

BleepBot, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

Carl Craig otm

rockapads, Thursday, 22 May 2008 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

Really great mix and nice that tempa aren't just pushing the jump-up-dulltard-bullshit which is surely where, relatively, the big bucks are in dubstep.

Echo Tim's sentiments on TRG (Ramadanman refix isn't too clever however), 2562 & Martyn

Nice vocal tracks too.

jim, Thursday, 22 May 2008 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

And I just realised that the pretty decent Pinch track is from his album which I never picked up because I heard a few tracks and the MC on top of them was heavy shite. Need to reassess that decision.

jim, Thursday, 22 May 2008 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://img.snowrecords.com/cd/C878.jpg

pubstep.

matinee, Thursday, 22 May 2008 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

Jim the CD version of the Pinch album comes with a bonus disc of instrumentals, and the vocal version and the instrumental version are sold separately on vinyl.

Tim F, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

almost -- there is no vocal version on vinyl. two of the tracks got released on a separate 12", but that's it.

resolved, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

I did know about the instrumental disc but I kinda felt reluctant to buy an album I thought was rubbish just to listen to the instrumentals. Think it might just have been Juakali that I was hating on.

jim, Friday, 23 May 2008 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

wow, it makes me happy that scuba mix up thread is still available. good stuff.

rockapads, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Nothing on Burial?

I am no master of dubstep, but I would have assumed this guy would be at least mentioned!

I love both the albums.

our work is never over, Friday, 23 May 2008 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah clearly not enough Burial talk here on ILX.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 May 2008 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah clearly not enough Burial talk here on ILX.

-- Alex in SF,

lol

sam500, Saturday, 24 May 2008 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

our work: I think you're looking for this thread: Burial

The Reverend, Saturday, 24 May 2008 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

Astley could take on Burial anyday.

our work is never over, Saturday, 24 May 2008 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

well, yeah

The Reverend, Saturday, 24 May 2008 04:23 (twelve years ago) link

so, APPLEBLIM ... any good

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 10:33 (twelve years ago) link

which of these is best:

dubstep allstars six (appleblim)
rinse 02 (skream)
scuba album
round black ghosts comp on ~scape

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

dubstep allstars six

resolved, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't heard any of them yet but based on tracklistings my desire to hear them would be as follows:

1) Dubstep Allstars Six
2) Round Black Ghosts
3) Skuba
4) Rinse 02

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:33 (twelve years ago) link

Man I need to get that Dubstep Allstars mix.

Also, I need an ID for a track that samples the "baby you don't know, what you do to me" vocal part in Aaliyah's One in a Million. I think it may have saxophone in it also.

mehlt, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

Groove Chronicles - Stone Cold

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

From 1997 I think!

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

Re new dubstep releases, I'm most looking forward to the 2562 album Aerial on Tectonic. "Redux" is kinda disappointing, but "Techno Dread", "Enforcers", "Channel Two" and especially "Kameleon" are all great.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

which of these is best:

dubstep allstars six (appleblim)
rinse 02 (skream)
scuba album
round black ghosts comp on ~scape

-- moonship journey to baja

jim, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Way more excited about this than any dubstep nonsense (am curious about Appleblim though.)

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

True dat.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

last night's MAH show:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

2562 vs Peverelist

2562 Mix
2562 – 'Space Jungle' (Dubplate)
2562 – 'Moog Dub' (Tectonic)
2562 – 'Walkover' (LP forthcoming on Tectonic)
2562 – 'Channel Two' (Tectonic)
2562 – 'Cobblestone refix' (Dubplate)
2562 – 'Enforcers' (Tectonic)
2562 – 'Hijack' (Dubplate)
2562 – 'Kameleon' (Tectonic)
2562 – 'Belgrave Rd' (Dubplate)
A Made Up Sound – '699' (Subsolo)

Peverelist Mix
2nd II None - 'Waterfalls' (Peverelist remix) (Dubplate)
Pinch & Peverelist - 'Revival' (Dubplate)
RSD 'Jah Way' - (Forthcoming on Punch Drunk)
Gemmy - 'Bass Transmitter' (Dubplate)
Pinch - 'E.Motiv' (Planet Mu)
Peverelist - 'Clunk Click Every Trip' (Dubplate)
Henry & Louis - 'Rise Up' (Pinch Remix) (Forthcoming on 2 Kings)

koogs, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 10:59 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Hmmmn, I went to all the main record stores in Toronto to look for Dubstep Allstars 6. It was totally sold out at the ones that did carry it.

I don't know whether to be pissed off that I held off to buy it now, for the specific purpose of listening to because I'm going to be away for nearly 2 weeks, likely without access to record stores. Or really glad that in mid 2008 relatively not so hyped dubstep mix cds can still sell out at more than one store at a time. I guess it's both.

mehlt, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

don't worry, it's sort of boring

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 June 2008 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

as is/was "round black ghosts" and the scuba album.

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 June 2008 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

It's a shame Appleblim didn't use the best tracks in the area he's profiling - with a few exceptions ("Infinity Is Now" is peerless, and TRG's "Decisions", Martyn's "Suburbia" and Geiom's "Reminiscing" are all ace).

The D.R.E.A.M. mix I posted upthread is a better version of the same thing, I think.

Still, I'd take Appleblim's mix over just about any of the other Dubstep Allstars releases.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:12 (twelve years ago) link

On the strength of "Reminiscing", Geiom should switch to diva tracks full time.

It's mildly gratifying to note how for years dubstep defenderz have sought to justify the absolute dearth of tracks like this with lots of carp about meditating on the bass weight, but now that producers have rediscovered the idea of songs/vocals/light&shade, everyone's all over it.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

Digging Skepta's 'Rinse 04' which is sounding infinitely more exciting than the prospect of that Appleblim mix.

sam500, Sunday, 22 June 2008 08:05 (twelve years ago) link

the best dub-techno-cum-dubstep thing i've heard was that mix posted by ... uh ... gutterbreakz?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 June 2008 08:15 (twelve years ago) link

also if i had to pick 4 tracks from this appleblim mix i'd pick different tracks from tim ...

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 June 2008 08:16 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I'd also add in Appleblim's Circling for a highpoint of the dubstep allstars mix - i think the midsection suffers from being pretty direction-less (outside of infinity is now)

BleepBot, Monday, 23 June 2008 11:59 (twelve years ago) link

Which ones vahid?

Tim F, Monday, 23 June 2008 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

Still, I'd take Appleblim's mix over just about any of the other Dubstep Allstars releases
Seconded!

VeronaInTheClub, Monday, 23 June 2008 13:09 (twelve years ago) link

i heard dubstep at about 3 diff cafes in west london this weekend. i dont know if this bodes well.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 23 June 2008 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

^^Does this mean it needs a subgenre to be exclusive and fresh again?

VeronaInTheClub, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

Hi all. I'm a bit of a latecomer to this party, but I have a few bits and pieces. Is the Roots Of Dubstep mix on Tempa a good primer for the early stuff I have missed? I don't think I've got anything earlier than the Skream album (which I love) and things seem to be going in a more techno-flavoured direction, as per the Appleblim mix and the 2562 album. I'd like to get up to speed on the early south London sound, basically.

Also, what can you tell me about Boxcutter's Oneiric? I have and really like Glyphic, but I'm led to believe it sounds pretty different. Correct?

Chris in Belfast, Monday, 7 July 2008 10:49 (twelve years ago) link

Probably the first and second "Dubstep Allstars" volumes are more close to what you're looking for ("early south London sound"). Roots of Dubstep has some of that, but also earlier stuff that (ironically) sounds more like 2562 or the Appleblim mix.

Tim F, Monday, 7 July 2008 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

OK, thanks. I'll get hold of them then.

Chris in Belfast, Monday, 7 July 2008 11:27 (twelve years ago) link

the steppas' delight comp on soul jazz is an excellent primer...plus, it's pretty. and yeah appleblim mix seconded

lex pretend, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah that Steppas Delight comp looks ace.

Tim F, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:39 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah and both mary anne hobbs compilations are great too - warrior dubz (which is what really got me listening to dubstep) and evangeline

lex pretend, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:41 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, all this stuff looks ace. Damn, I've hit my (extremely modest) CD-buying budget for the month, so downloads it is.

Chris in Belfast, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:44 (twelve years ago) link

afterwards hit up the adele rusko rmx and curse the time u wasted

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmRe5j94Ip0

bah zingers law

r|t|c, Monday, 7 July 2008 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

Appleblim on RA this week is pretty sweet ;-)

rchinn, Monday, 7 July 2008 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

Loving Quest's "Forever" and "My Mahogany Love". This guy's stuff is so distinct from everyone else - very bougie in an Adam F "Circles" kinda way. Not a hint of German dub-techno influence, which is a nice change for once.

Tim F, Monday, 7 July 2008 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

Xpost. What! RA I love you.

mehlt, Monday, 7 July 2008 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

I wish dubstep sounded more like "Armani Versace vs. Mercedes Bentley".

B I N G O B E A T S

linea, Monday, 7 July 2008 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Woah, fuckin' A! have to listen to that Appleblim later. I caved and bought Steppas' Delight. Listening to it now, it's very nice and very diverse indeed.

Chris in Belfast, Monday, 7 July 2008 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

Can we talk about how good the Ital Tek - Cyclical album is? There's a lot of stuff going on here. Not getting enough love, sez me.

kenan, Friday, 11 July 2008 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

it's on my TODO list but i haven't heard it yet.

they had a release on netlab a while ago now, freebie download:

http://inspirebox.com/netlab/audio/nl21-ital-tek-snippets/

koogs, Saturday, 12 July 2008 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

Good lord, 08 is Appleblim's year, is it not. That RA podcast was great.

Another interesting note, If Martyn's "All I Have is Memories" is not a good enough track on it's own, try speeding it up by, say 24% or so (without pitch correction) to enter ravey early-jungle mode a la Omni Trio or whoever.

mehlt, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

Errrm, maybe on a second listen not as much so as I initially thought.

mehlt, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

Agreed on the RA mix, and Dubstep Allstars 6which has had repeated plays for me. Great stuff.

Chris in Belfast, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

HOW good is this 2562 aerial album? ok im super late i know but my cd took years to arrive. dubstep seems much harder to follow these days then when i first made this post. so many diff little pockets of activity it seems. i didnt like that last dubstep all stars comp much at all.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

Can we talk about how good the Ital Tek - Cyclical album is? There's a lot of stuff going on here. Not getting enough love, sez me.

I missed this post the other day but would back this and also suggest that all the ILM dudes who go all cuddlestein whenever there's talk about Orbital check this out, as it's the first example I've seen of someone putting their influence into dubstep structures

DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

Recently checked this out, and Lifted is FUCKING FATNESS.

Old news I'm sure, but I always lag behind scenes a little.

chap, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

Woah Ramadanman's "Blimey"! Percussive biz. Check http://www.juno.co.uk/products/313302-01.htm"> http://www.juno.co.uk/products/313302-01.htm.

For the billionth time I must wonder why dubstep spent so many years actively avoiding making tracks like these.

Also been enjoying Quest & Silkie's late June Rinse FM show.

Tim F, Monday, 21 July 2008 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

i love blimey. the first time i heard it was in fabric in march at 11am or some ungodly hour, pitched down to -6 or whatever by villalobos. the looks on people's faces were priceless.

resolved, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

the old MAH Dubstep Wars show from early 2006 got a repeat last night and is listenagainable:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

ahead of next week when they do it again with people chosen by the people who played the first one.

koogs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 15:28 (eleven years ago) link

I'm actually tired of dubstep now. Too many white kids.

VeronaInTheClub, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 15:33 (eleven years ago) link

oh fuck off

I know, right?, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

I'm actually tired of dubstep now. Too many white kids.

Should be followed by btw, I'm white.

Neil S, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

No okay, maybe the last comment was a little...but there are far too many middle class kids who have 'suddenly discovered this fresh new genre' and they tend to be white. I'm also tired of dubstep because my partner is a mainly dubstep musician and its all he plays. GRRR.

VeronaInTheClub, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

should be followed by btw, I'm middle class

I know, right?, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

Dom is a dubstep musician? Wow

DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

HAHAHAHA

VeronaInTheClub, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 16:24 (eleven years ago) link

I must say 'Blimey' is really doing it for me lately, I thank Tim for the recommendation. BTW I'm white and middle class.

mehlt, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

yeah 'blimey' is pretty cool. ramadanman is like one of the best producer names ever though right? it's like those muslim dj names my (muslim) friend sara was making everyone think up (u know, eg quran quran, niqabaret voltaire, jihaddaway, halal cool j &c) except actually real.

i'm not white btw!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

I tend to think dubstep is at its best and worst ever in 2008. Producers like Quest, Silkie, Ramadanman, Martyn, 2562, Peverelist, Forsaken, Shackleton and Untold are all making quality tunes. It's just they're surrounded by a larger glut of crap wobble than before.

Still, this strikes me as a better situation than c. 2005 where I'd like maybe 5 dubstep tunes tops (hmm - let's see: "Midnite Request Line", "Neverland", "Qawwali", "Broken Home"... I can't even think of a 5th track off the top of my head!). Yes, this is mostly due to the fact that there were just less producers around back then, but it's still hard for me to understand the tendency for dubstep fans to pine nostalgically for this era of privation and scarcity.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 23:25 (eleven years ago) link

Also possible they just like Digital Mystikz a lot.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 23:29 (eleven years ago) link

I really don't understand how anyone could possibly need more than about 3 Loefah or Coki tracks in their lives.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

Personally, I get bored after 16 bars.

Indeed all attempts at getting into dubstep prior to may 07 (i.e. seeing Kode 9 live) failed on account of just being exposed to Digital Mystiks / Benga type blocky zzzzzzz music. . . Still don't find anything remotely interesting about it and I could give a shit about people who want to keep things one big wobble-fest, but when I listen to say, Appleblim's recent mixes etc. I find it genuinely exciting.

mehlt, Thursday, 14 August 2008 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

zomby ftw

gregory first world, Thursday, 14 August 2008 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

the more i hear of dubstep that sounds like it's made by huge Basic Channel fans, the more i like it.

not that this is BC influenced, but i really love this track by http://www.myspace.com/subeena, "Minor", i heard on some Mary Anne Hobbs show. not even sure if it's dubstep, but i want to hear more stuff like this. her other tracks are pretty nice, too.

rockapads, Thursday, 14 August 2008 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

i hope it's not frowned on to link myspace pages here...

rockapads, Thursday, 14 August 2008 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

just realized i used the i tag instead of url. i'm just fuckin up left and right. Subeena is the artist, if that isn't apparent.

rockapads, Thursday, 14 August 2008 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

Add me to the huddled mass mumbling that I didn't initially get the whole early detour things seem to have taken in the 2005 era, although I've recently gotten more into things. I think I had a token few I liked, but kind of remained ignorant of the scene at large. Now I've been trying to go back and read through the Martin Clark dubstep articles on pfm and read old blog entries.

Anyone have any opinions on the Dusk + Blackdown album? I listened to some of it after seeing the video <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/1467214";>here</a> and am kind of intrigued. Like the blackdown mixes off his blog.

mh, Thursday, 14 August 2008 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

..and I just completely failed to hit the "simple html to bbcode" button, sorry about that

mh, Thursday, 14 August 2008 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

"I really don't understand how anyone could possibly need more than about 3 Loefah or Coki tracks in their lives."

Me neither, but I don't think we represent a majority of dubstep fans.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

No that's right, but nor do the people moaning about how dubstep has fallen off either. Being obsessed with Loefah but resenting Caspa strikes me as major case of narcissism of small differences.

Kinda like saying: "Jonny L's "Piper" and Ed Rush & Optical's Wormhole - THAT was the golden age of drum & bass. It all went to shit when Bad Company came along."

Of course, I do read interviews with d&b producers where they say exactly that, and talk about bringing back the "spirit of '98".

Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 23:15 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

mmm, pangaea's 'router' is just gorgeous: http://www.myspace.com/journeytopangaea

lex pretend, Sunday, 5 October 2008 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

Shackleton's new stuff is amazing.

Sven Hassel Schmuck, Sunday, 5 October 2008 23:03 (eleven years ago) link

New Headhunter mining that techno-dubstep crossover territory and producing some diamonds.

jim, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:29 (eleven years ago) link

Must listen to some of the new Headhunter stuff.

New Shackleton EP is indeed a doozy. Very nice stuff.

RSD - Speeka Box: Makes use of one of the prettiest/catchiest loops I've heard in a day or two, sounds really nice. And normally I hate wobble bass, but I really want to hear this played live and revel in the hugeness of this track.

Their time's limited, hard rocks, too (mehlt), Sunday, 19 October 2008 05:02 (eleven years ago) link

Destroy: Everything I heard yesterday that was linked from a page I was looking at.

Apparently there are a few Burial-derivatives now that jack the way he fades vocal samples with melancholy loops. The other great one was refixes of classic dub where they just add a really generic bass wobble loop through the whole thing!

mh, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

New Quest and Silkie singles on Deep Medi = ace ace ace. Especially Silkie's "Sky's The Limit", which reminds me of Zed Bias circa 2001 at his best. I do like how these guys are managing to plot course which avoids simply drifting towards dub-techno or just bringing back (even very good) 2-step percussion, but rather magically turns Benga/Loefah/Coki style beats into something actually good, interesting and energising.

Tim F, Sunday, 26 October 2008 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking (even disparagingly so) of Loefah, it's been forever since he had a record out.

what U cry 4 (jim), Sunday, 26 October 2008 01:03 (eleven years ago) link

I'm liking the Finnish stuff (Clouds, Tes La Rok) quite a bit ("Elders" in particular is awesome.) Haven't heard the new Deep Medi stuff, but I generally like both Quest and Silkie. New Hyperdub things, I wasn't spun on the Dabrye/Flying Lotus remixes of King Midas Sound, but I'm excited for the new album none-the-less. Ikonika seems to be more of the same.

Has anyone head the Zomby-back to 92 rave thing?

Alex in SF, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:45 (eleven years ago) link

RSD has also been on fire lately.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 26 October 2008 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

Rob Smith is the bomb. That being said, the stuff on his MySpace really just sounds pretty much like his old dub & D&B stuff, doesn't it?

factcheckr, Sunday, 26 October 2008 23:30 (eleven years ago) link

is that zomby thing like old hardcore or something?

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

hes got a old school hardcore album coming on werk in november and a 7 tracker of bleepy stuff on hyperdub

jon b (bass), Sunday, 26 October 2008 23:39 (eleven years ago) link

The new Shackleton stuff is astonishing.

But it ain't Dubstep.

Sven Hassel Schmuck, Sunday, 26 October 2008 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

Okay, my favourite dubstep trackz this year (in no particular order):

Peverelist - Infinity Is Now
Silkie - Sky's The Limit
Quest - Deep Inside
Sully - Give Me Up
Digitial Mystikz - Shake Out Your Demons
Pangaea - Router
Ramadanman - Blimey
Martyn - Velvet
Geiom - Reminiscin' (Dubplate Version)
Patti Blingh - Brother: The Point (2562 Remix)

Good stuff!

Tim F, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:42 (eleven years ago) link

Allowing more than one track by any artist, I'd add Pangea's "You and I", Martyn's "All I Have Is Memories", Silkie's "I Sed" and Quest's "The Seafront". I'm kinda mentally discounting Shackleton but "Death Is Not Final" and his remix of Villalobos were both ace.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:48 (eleven years ago) link

did you ever listen to the geiom album?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:49 (eleven years ago) link

The first one? Yeah. It's good! Although I like that version of "Reminiscin" more than anything on it, I think. He works well with vocals.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

sad to see nothing on your list's been compiled yet ... i'm too old to chase down vinyl/mp3s

how about round black ghosts

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:53 (eleven years ago) link

i mean "island noise"

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:55 (eleven years ago) link

"Infinity Is Now" and "Reminiscin' (Dubplate Version)" or both on the last Dubstep Allstars mix of course, and I believe Deep Medi Musik (Quest, Silkie, poss. the DM track) are putting out a comp or mix-cd later this month! Surely Hessle Audio (Pangaea, Ramadanman) can't be far behind.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:12 (eleven years ago) link

That DM track is on Disfigured Dubz, I think.

Has anyone heard the Zomby "Rave" album?

Alex in SF, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:19 (eleven years ago) link

My favorite Geiom track is that one with the Khalid vocal.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:20 (eleven years ago) link

I guess I asked about the Zomby album above, but now it's actually out hah!

Alex in SF, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:22 (eleven years ago) link

well, everyone's heard "infinity is now" and "reminissin" by now, right?

i liked the appleblim disc a lot but i couldn't help thinking it was redundant after gutterbreakz' "echospace odyssey" mix.

i don't think there's been much fresh since then ... things like "steppa's delight" and "i love dubstep" and the recent rinse mixes seem like rehash / repackaging for a growing audience

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:31 (eleven years ago) link

"That DM track is on Disfigured Dubz, I think."

yeah it is, but you could imagine it being used to fill out a deep medi comp. I can't find the tracklisting yet.

"i liked the appleblim disc a lot but i couldn't help thinking it was redundant after gutterbreakz' "echospace odyssey" mix."

I felt the same way, but in relation to other mixes I'd heard (not heard the gutterbreakz mix). I actually preferred the RA set Appleblim did - spacier and wider-ranging.

"Circling" (while a good track) is, I think, a telling example of the dub-techno influence basically crowding out all the other things that the music could be doing. I felt the same way about Pinch's (also good, but...) "136 Trek" and (disappointingly) much of the 2562 album.

Most of the tracks (see e.g. "Blimey", "All I Have Is Memories") I've listed above are in the same general vein but retain that crucial rhythmic perspicacity, sometimes managing to push it into that outer-reaches-of-funk territory that Horsepower got to with "Pimp Flavours" (meanwhile something like "Router" is basically delectable 2-step programming meets gorgeous deep-dub-house atmospherics) - there's a sense of internal distance from the "dubstep = nu-dub-techno" equation.

Meanwhile as I've said upthread, one thing I like about Quest and Silkie is that they're kind of finding their own path that draws from the best bits of everyone (Mala, Benga-but-good, Zed Bias revivalism and Horsepower revivalism).

Tim F, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:52 (eleven years ago) link

i have hopes for the new distance cd, out next week.

koogs, Monday, 10 November 2008 09:54 (eleven years ago) link

Vahid have you heard Headhunter? This seems right up your alley.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

a lot of new dubstep seems to be on the line between being dubstep+outside genre and just becoming that outside genre.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 13 November 2008 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

I like that tendency better than the reverse, frankly.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 13 November 2008 20:03 (eleven years ago) link

Whoa, Black Pocket, Ure A Sta (Martyn Remix) is probably the prettiest thing I've heard by him. Unfortunately I think I listen to All I Have is Memories too much this summer and got sick of it. This is so lush, and way more garagey as opposed to, I guess dubsteppy, by the way.

Their time's limited, hard rocks, too (mehlt), Saturday, 15 November 2008 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that headhunter sounds pretty good. is it a lot like scuba?

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 15 November 2008 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

the Zomby hardcore thing is decent. Bit of a strange choice to make his first LP a bunch of throwback beats but to be honest I think I'm enjoying it more than I have any of his other releases.

what U cry 4 (jim), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

I like this.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

Better than the Zomby record that is.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

The scuba podcast on xlr8r is pretty neat. Nice use of an old Baby Ford tune midway through.

http://xlr8r.com/podcast/2008/11/dubstep-2008-scuba

sam500, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know much Scuba btw so I can't compare to Headhunter. Headhunter feels very Berlin-techno/late-era Reinforced to me.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

it's still a bit too hot & summery in southern california to be listening to dubstep ... but i've been trying with the "time & space" comp on hotflush. i think in the rush to judgment this one was a bit overrated.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 04:35 (eleven years ago) link

Vahid, Ramadanman's "Blimey" is on Ben UFO's Blogariddims mix from late last year:

Ben UFO: Blogariddims 26 / This Is The News

1. Loscil - Rorshahk (Kranky)
2. Ramadanman - Blimey (Unreleased)
3. Untold - Test Signal (Forthcoming Hessle Audio)
4. Mala - Learn (DMZ)
5. TRG and Selector Dub U - Harajuku (Unreleased)
6. Pangaea - Antistatic [Ramadanman remix] (Unreleased)
7. Ranking Crew - Son of Thunder (Unreleased)
8. Ramadanman - Drowning [Kablammo remix] (Unreleased)
9. Terror Danjah - Green Street (Aftershock)
10. D1 - Malfunction (Tempa)
11. Headhunter - Techo (Unreleased)
12. Kode 9 - Ping (Rephlex)
13. Untold - Kingdom [Pangaea remix] (Unreleased)
14. DQ1 - Gud Money (Tectonic)
15. Cloak and Dagger - My Lips Are Sealed (Unreleased)
16. Peverelist - Erstwhile [Forsaken remix] (Unreleased)
17. Martyn - Suburbia (Unreleased)
18. 2562 - Resistance Dub (Unreleased)
19. Groove Chronicles - Masterplan (White)
20. Pangaea - Coiled (Forthcoming Hessle Audio)
21. Matty G - 808 Bass (Unreleased)
22. El-B and Rolla - Serious (Locked On)
23. TRG - Decisions (Unreleased)
24. Martyn - Storm Watch (Unreleased

Tim F, Saturday, 22 November 2008 23:41 (eleven years ago) link

what are the best sites to buy dubstep mp3s? hearing these tracks sooner than a couple months after they're released would be nice sometimes

the starkey album is great, or does that not go here? more dubstep and less sinden than 'street bass anthems' but surprisingly good even after the promo on generation bass. anyone know where to find the version of 'gutter music' with durrty goodz on the newest blackdown rinse podcast?

new LV on hyperdub is also very nice, love 'cctv's rad bendy sax line!

lucas pine, Thursday, 27 November 2008 06:48 (eleven years ago) link

er not rinse, mary anne hobbs show with geiom and ramadanman

lucas pine, Thursday, 27 November 2008 06:52 (eleven years ago) link

where are you lucas? actually, that doesn't really matter these days.

bleep.com has a few and boomkat.com 'stocks' all the planet mu, hyperdub, scuba, tectonic...

koogs, Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:40 (eleven years ago) link

beatport and junodownload are pretty good

lex pretend, Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

There are minor price differences between the four though, right, which adds up if you have to buy each track individually.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 27 November 2008 14:46 (eleven years ago) link

but all between a third and a quarter the price of the vinyl...

koogs, Thursday, 27 November 2008 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah even beatport (which is the most expensive, I believe) is cheaper than that.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 27 November 2008 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

Hey lucas, the Gutter Music vocal w/Goodz will be out next year on Keysound. You can download it as part of the Mary Anne Hobbs mix here: http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2008/11/dusk-blackdown-v-mah.html

Martinclark, Friday, 28 November 2008 11:09 (eleven years ago) link

that zomby record rules but in a way i can tell has probably been done before. i'm terrible with the exact definitions of these genres, but weren't there dubby rave albums in the past that touched on this stuff? i'm not educated enough to be able to tell if this record is truly unique, cause if it's not i want to know more about its precursors. is the sound of a dubstep guy making a self-consciously 'rave' record new? didn't dubstep emerge from that stuff in the first place?

anyway i'm dl'ing that redeemer album cause of alex upthread. anything else i should check out?

psychgawsple, Sunday, 7 December 2008 13:05 (eleven years ago) link

It's not really unique. It's a little cleaner sounding than record from the original era which if you aren't much familiar with there are many threads on ILM which detail the greatness of 92-93 (either Definition of Hardcore or The Joint would make a great intro if you just want a couple of albums to start off on.)

For stuff of a more recent (maybe) pedigree, get the three recent 12"s on Hate Records (Darkside/Injustice, Pretty Boys Don't Survive Up North and Human Resources/Cunning Love). All are awesome.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

I just got Blimey on vinyl, and wow. Before I was just drawn to its brilliant arrangements of rhythm and percussion, but when you really flesh out the atmospherics that underlie it, then wow, it actually becomes just beautiful. Stunning.

Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Sunday, 14 December 2008 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

Honestly, having listened to about 5 well-received albums and maybe 4 mixes, I hate the genre. In 1994, drum & bass sounded absolutely like the music of the future, and its popular strains promptly became rythmically inert, or (in the case of dubstep) drugged and inert. If its musical lineage wasn't so straining at the seams with promise I'd be more forgiving. As for Burial's critical reception, I (as a non-paid avid music listener) think this was tokenism in extremis. What sane listener would chose Burial over 90s D&B, 80s dub, or 70s roots is a mystery to me.

Maybe I've just gotten old. But dubstep ANGERS me.

derelict, Monday, 15 December 2008 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

so i looked at all the sites people recommended for buying mp3s (thanks!) and it looks like basically nothing is available, or at least nothing outside of a few token labels here and there, hyperdub and skull disco and tempa and maybe like 'hollybrook park'

i don't understand where this stuff gets its international appeal, really--the only way i can get anything good (the newest silkie or quest for example) is through torrents unless i import vinyl; but i live in canada, am not a dj, and am not man enough for the euro

lucas pine, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 09:05 (eleven years ago) link

i keep pimping this but the garage pressure podcasts are useful listening, 2 hours every friday and about 2 month's worth of archives. (and that's sydney based)

koogs, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

Re: the Zomby album -- before I heard it, I was prepared to be totally non-plussed by the concept. There have been plenty of homages to rave of yore, after all (including Neil Landstrumm's excellent "Restaurant of Assassins" last year. But the more I listened to the Zomby album the more I realized how *strange* it is -- sure, he's playing with classic tropes, but there's a weirdness to his sound, atmospheres and sense of proportion that makes it stand on its own.

Zomby's singles are better, IMO: I'm head over heels for "The Lie" (Ramp), a very dubby, two-steppy number with an incredible vocal hook. It's wonderfully light on its feet, the diametrical opposite of the more turgid, half-step wobble stuff that draws all of its inspiration from D&B's most macho strains.

Derelict, I'm not going to try to convince you, because you sound pretty set in your prejudices against the genre. But I think that there's a wealth of creativity right now on the margins of the genre (where, frankly, Burial sits). To my ears, there's nothing "inert" in the rhythms of Kode 9, Zomby, Rustie, Martyn, Peverelist, Joker, etc. They're playing with swing and syncopation in really entertaining ways, and they're also experimenting and having fun with timbres that I haven't heard much in dance music: where so much contemporary house, techno and dubstep tend to be really muted, these tracks are often slathered with bizarre, garish synth pads drawn from early Prince and G-funk that bring a really playful spirit to the music.

pshrbrn, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 10:27 (eleven years ago) link

"so i looked at all the sites people recommended for buying mp3s (thanks!) and it looks like basically nothing is available, or at least nothing outside of a few token labels here and there, hyperdub and skull disco and tempa and maybe like 'hollybrook park'"

What exactly are you looking for?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

haha, exactly, add in tectonic to that list and you'd have four of the best dubstep labels.

what U cry 4 (jim), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

Plus I think all of Hessle Audio is on Boomkat. Deep Medi doesn't seem to be on either Boomkat or Juno, but a few of the early 12"s appear to be on Bleep.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Hah I'm really curious now. What is dude trying to find??!!?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

i think i've mostly just been looking for unreleased tracks actually, when i see mixed tracks not listed as 'forthcoming' i assume the record's out (also: 'that track was charting like two months ago, i should be able to buy it now right?')

anyways, is there a place to buy unremixed versions of zomby's 'memories' or 'spliff dub'? or geiom's reminissin' remixes, sully shanks' 'give me up', or any recent deep medi stuff?

lucas pine, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:33 (eleven years ago) link

Almost all of that stuff is findable on slsk as 320s (except for the most recent Deep Medi Silkie) so I have to assume it's buyable somewhere.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

New Deep Medi Silkie is worth buying on vinyl really.

Tim F, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

that plastician rinse mix cd isnt bad but its mixed just a bit TOO seamlessly.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

"New Deep Medi Silkie is worth buying on vinyl really."

Yeah the snippets have sounded great. That said I have no ability to make mp3s from vinyl and I do 90% of my listening on iPod.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

Actually I am wrong about the original "Memories". I'm not sure that was ever even released.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

actually, it looks like you may be able to buy it and a few others from him through his myspace (he pegs them here, it looks like the forum also banned him in that thread heh), although there isn't mention of it on the page now

lucas pine, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:39 (eleven years ago) link

It sounds like you can just email him.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

Although uh reading that haha maybe not.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:53 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

I dont see a lot of action on this thread. Shame, given the sounds bubbling around the edges of dubstep (and grime and funky) right now.

check some of these on our latest Rinse show here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tkf9wl

Tracklist here:

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2009/01/haarlem-rinse-and-fabric.html

Martinclark, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:28 (eleven years ago) link

been listening to a lot of old dubstep shows from 2004/05 lately... i tend to prefer any of those or the grievous angel mixes to things like dubstep all stars, for the most part.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:45 (eleven years ago) link

My favourite things of the last few months are:

Jack Sparrow's "For Me" (not into the flip so much though)
Jus Wan's "Action Potential/"Afflectic" 12inch
Scuba's "The Upside (Martyn Remix)"

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 13:35 (eleven years ago) link

Very excited for the upcoming Martyn album.. it's released in March, I believe.

mr. anephric (the anephric project), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

how do you keep up to date with dubstep these days? the stuff im interested in isnt the mainstream stuff but i dont know who/what to check anymore for that.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:18 (eleven years ago) link

who from the non-mainstream do you like?

Martinclark, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

mainstream might be the wrong word. but i like the wonkier stuff and the people on hyperdub, and some of the dubstep-not-dubstep artists like ramadanman. i liked some of the beats you played for trim on your show a few months back. thought they were interesting - still bass heavy but not too wobble-ful.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

yeah well for stuff like that i'd check our show, Starkey on Sub FM, any mixes Joker does.

The kind of stuff Ramadanman plays is about a lot: see also Appleblim, Pinch, Peverlist in this vein - but i'm sure you know all this.

Martinclark, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

pretty good quest & silkie set from november in 320, where to find other good quality sets?? so many sets in like 96kbps mono

when is the starkey ft durrty goodz coming, martin? i've worn this mary anne hobbs set of yours down to the kick

the round black ghosts 2 tracklisting is looking predictably boring..

lucas pine, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

hey lucas
having some minor pressing issues, so as basically as soon as i can get it out the door!
bigup

Martinclark, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

I've been trying to get into dubstep for a year or so but so far I'm still undecided about this genre although somehow I'm sure this genre has a potential to grab me. I do love some tracks, but only the catchy ones (at least to my ears). The ones that have distinct hooks. For example:

-Burial - Untrue LP
-Martyn - All I Have Is Memories, Natural Selection, Velvet, Twenty Four, Broken
-Shackleton - Death is not Final, Next to Nothing
-Ramadanman - Blimey
-Pangaea - Router

As you can see, the tracks I mentioned have some kind of warmth, which is the opposite of what I don't like about dubstep: coldness. Where do you think I should go from here?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

Any love for the Zomby album, "Where were u in 92?"? Some mention of him upthread, but this record is dubstep gone rave, keeping the nasty sub-base and adding a lot of sped-up samples, heavy breakbeats and klaxons. It's really fun, despite being something of a retread. It kind of reminds me of Burial without the coffee table (sorry Burial fans)!

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

Durrr Durrr, it sounds like you basically like the upbeat, more 2-steppy end of the scene.

Check out Mala's tracks on DMZ, Silkie and Quest's 12 inches on Deep Medi Musik, anything on Hessle Audio, anything by Peverelist, some 2562 and Pinch (though these guys aren't always on 100% of the time).

I haven't been able to download the Silkie and Quest set above, but the December Anti Social mix on Rinse FM has some great new stuff from Silkie like "Concrete Jungle" (check this one!) and "Planet X". I think my favourite on this set though is Heny G's "Delayed Style" (I think this is the title): lush, percussive, and a great eerie build. Very Certificate 18.

The Kromestar remix of Erykah Badu's "On & On" is also gorgeous, though I don't go for Kromestar usually.

Tim F, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 13:31 (eleven years ago) link

that Zomby album is the shit.

thanks, tim. i will check those out.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

what's the best 2-steppy dubstep mixes?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

have a look for grievous angels abstract 2step mixes

straightola, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

hey dan

there's a lot of older dubstep stuff that's 2steppy. check barefiles for that.

there's some 2step (sully, grievous, trg, D1, pangea, us...) on this podcast too: http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast/2008/08/dusk-blackdown

sully's very under rated imho, "trackside," "jackmans recs" and "the loot remix" are amazing, staples of our sets right now.

Martinclark, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

Durr--

There's a recent Kode 9 vs. LD (?) 12'' that you might enjoy. It's called "2 Bad".

We seem to have similar taste with regards to dubstep, and Tim made some great suggestions there.

I've also really liked some of the 2008 stuff from D1 (I'm Loving, Joy..)

mr. anephric (the anephric project), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

woohooo, thanks everyone. martin, which set at barefiles would you recommend? there's too many stuff i don't know what to download.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

Grievous' Devotional Dubz mix is here, it's amazing: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kep4k0

Martinclark, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

Kode's Groovetech ones on Barefiles are a good start...

Martinclark, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

that new kode 9 12 thats coming out - not dubstep exactly i know - is fucking sick.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

thanks martin but i can't find any groovetech on barefiles. and devotional dubz is on sendspace which sucks so bad.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

I think I'm in love with Martyn

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

@ dan http://barefiles.com/files.php?q=Kode9 "GT Radio"

Martinclark, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

Listened to the Dusk + Beatdown mix yesterday and I must say it contains too many grime for my taste. Like the dubstep part though.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 5 February 2009 09:36 (eleven years ago) link

this ruffage sessions second birthday mix is probably too garage heavy to be relevant on this thread but it's a lot of fun.

brackles b2b bok bok b2b oneman b2b elgato b2b ben ufo with asbo on mic

sam500, Thursday, 5 February 2009 09:57 (eleven years ago) link

recommend me dubstep that's more step than dub, if you know what i mean.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:15 (eleven years ago) link

seriously, the devotional dubz mix is you...

Martinclark, Thursday, 5 February 2009 11:39 (eleven years ago) link

Durrr Durrr, download the QUest & Silkie mix that lucas posted above, it's amazing.

I knew about half the tracks already but it's such a relentless set. Simply reaffirms my belief that (the good side of) dubstep is stronger now than it ever was during the so-called golden age.

Tim F, Thursday, 5 February 2009 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

... a view which you're mostly alone in holding, probably because you dont have to listen to the vast majority of dubstep, either by volume of new "dubs" or in DJ sets in clubs.

Martinclark, Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:46 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah that's why I meant "the good side of" - obv the bad side is worse than it's ever been! But yeah I avoid lots of dubstep nights for that very reason.

Tim F, Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:47 (eleven years ago) link

i think what enabled me to get really into dubstep (over the past 1-2 years) is the number of nights which have sprung up which play stuff from across the entire UKG spectrum.

lex pretend, Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not aware of such a night over here unfortunately. It's wobble central.

Tim F, Thursday, 5 February 2009 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

Am listening to "The Roots of Dubstep" and I feel this might be the sound that I've been looking for.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 5 February 2009 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

glad you're enjoying it fella. Roots of El-B dropping soon i'm told.

Martinclark, Thursday, 5 February 2009 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

10 minutes into Ramadanman's mix for RA and I say it's amazing.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 6 February 2009 03:16 (eleven years ago) link

mainstream might be the wrong word. but i like the wonkier stuff and the people on hyperdub, and some of the dubstep-not-dubstep artists like ramadanman. i liked some of the beats you played for trim on your show a few months back. thought they were interesting - still bass heavy but not too wobble-ful.

― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 4:33 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

>>> why do you categorize ramadanman as dubstep-not-dubstep? what other artists would you categorize as that?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 6 February 2009 03:22 (eleven years ago) link

??? Where can I find this.

xpost I think what titchy means is that for a long time "dubstep" started to mean pretty much only halfstep material with a big snare hit on the third beat in the bar. Ramadanman's more 2-steppy sound obviously is quite distinct from that.

I wouldn't agree with that characterisation though - it's kind of like saying that 00s d&b producers who use complex breaks rather than just a 2-step beat are "d&b-not-d&b".

Certainly it's correct to say that "typical" dubstep sounds quite different from ramadanman et. al.

Tim F, Friday, 6 February 2009 03:26 (eleven years ago) link

you can find it here: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=1006 . Superb mix. It features Ramadanman's upcoming single, "Humber" which is brilliant! Proper dubstep-techno.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 6 February 2009 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

i think the connection between ramadanman and 2step is kinda thing - and i've DJed before him about three times in the last six months. to me his sound is just so much more informed by techno.

and i'm firmly in favour of as diverse rhythms in dubstep as possible: the snare on the third has lmg since become too dominant.

Martinclark, Friday, 6 February 2009 08:38 (eleven years ago) link

If i understand the first part of your first para correctly then yeah, it's probably as much a techno thing as a 2-step thing - though I'm a huge fan of "Blimey" ideologically as much as for the music itself: the way it gets all of its energy from the drums without needing to add techno signifers like Basic Channel reverb.

As I've said before I feel Quest/Silkie have a bit of an edge for similar reasons: revitalising dubstep without actually having to look to an outside genre like techno in order to do it.

Tim F, Friday, 6 February 2009 09:39 (eleven years ago) link

I don't really know if this belongs here, I'm not really deep into dubstep, but the new Mount Kimbie ep is gorgeous. Probably more ambient than dubstep, it's got an amazing atmospheric depth, with eerie, thin detailed rhytms running through it. It sounds like music you suddenly seem to think is there when lost. A+.

Have Mount Kimbie done other stuff like this? I know nothing about him/them, but this one's a definite keeper.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 6 February 2009 10:05 (eleven years ago) link

i didnt like that quest and silkie set all thaaat much. maybe its my pc speakers or the fact i was concentrating on work but a lot of it seemed a bit middle of the road/chillout.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 6 February 2009 10:09 (eleven years ago) link

Ha titch you think everything I like is middle of the road.

I must try to find more daring, brilliant and intense music to recommend.

Tim F, Friday, 6 February 2009 10:14 (eleven years ago) link

you must.

dyou like the joker sets tim? or the new hyperdub releases? the stuff they played on MAHs show last year, though its not really dubstep as such, is still really doing it for me.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 6 February 2009 10:41 (eleven years ago) link

I've only heard the samples of mount kimbie EP at juno and it amazed me to no end. Imagine what would happen when I get my hands on the real thing!

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 6 February 2009 11:38 (eleven years ago) link

where can i get the joker sets, titchy? and what's his most recommended release? particularly the one that you said "dubstep that is actually kinda funky and not joyless" about.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 6 February 2009 11:44 (eleven years ago) link

sorry tim, must not post before breakfast. meant to say "i think the connection between ramadanman and 2step is kinda thin".

and yeah, i agree on Blimey, it's a landmark, percussively and in it's restraint.

i like anti social, a lot, i think they've produced at least three stone cold classics - Quest's "Forever" and "Stand" and Silkie's "Horizons" - and there's tons i've not heard. Mala's also playing this Silkie beat that sounds like Starkey's Gutter Music, which needless to say I'm a fan of.

But what I find so farcial about your statement that says that Anti Social make up "the good side of dubstep (which) is stronger now than it ever was during the so-called golden age", is that so much of Anti Social's sound is so dependent on the foundations Mala built in that golden age. that's why he signed them!

Except that Anti Social only take a few of the many aspects that made mala's music so remarkable - the warmth and rollage of say Anti War Dub - but ignore the more staggeringly ground breaking percussive ideas, as found in "Learn" and "Bury the Bwoy." If you want to proclaim Anti Social as the next level you need to recognise the value of the "golden era" too.

--

and @ p-noid: the hyperdub/wonky stuff is a whole different trajectory but is exploding with posibilities rigth now, regardless of whether you want to call it dubstep or not.

Martinclark, Friday, 6 February 2009 11:44 (eleven years ago) link

Is that Mount Kimbie release available on download anywhere? Sounds great.

Chris in Belfast, Friday, 6 February 2009 11:53 (eleven years ago) link

"But what I find so farcial about your statement that says that Anti Social make up "the good side of dubstep (which) is stronger now than it ever was during the so-called golden age", is that so much of Anti Social's sound is so dependent on the foundations Mala built in that golden age. that's why he signed them!"

True, but Mala is, like, the only golden age producer I check for consistently. Unfortunately only a third of the DMZ records were produced by him! Coki and Loefah = serious zzzzz. So we're talking about, what, a handful of truly great tracks during the golden age? (let's count 'em: "Neverland", "Bury Da Bwoy", "Left Leg Out", "Blue Notez"... "Lean Forward"/"Learn", "Changes"/"Forgive" and "Shake Out Yer Demons" only emerged after the golden age though they're all fabulous obv. Also "Anti-War Dub" is good but overrated and kinda sounds nothing like Quest/Silkie???)

I also disagree with the notion that Anti-Social are restricting themselves to a portion of Mala. You could easily reconstruct their sound by reference to Zed Bias circa 2001 and cut out the Mala middleman entirely. THe truth is somewhere in the middle probably.

Finally, the stonecold Silkie/Quest classic is "Sky's The Limit" obv.

Tim F, Friday, 6 February 2009 12:59 (eleven years ago) link

dunno man, if you think that level of quality counts as a "handfull" i think you should apply those levels of standards to anti social.

plus there's countless other great mala tunes you've ignored: sinners dub, give jah glory, alicia remix, In Liv, creeper, ancient memories, chaimba... it goes on.

i dont hear a lot of zed in anti social, not remotely. their stuff is steadfastly halfstep in construction. zed is the master of the deft fill and far more rhythmically diverse. anti social are on this linear house tip.

if you dont like loefah and coki, so be it - but you gotta at least recognise they broke ground. odd i would have thought you'd at least like "Stuck" though, pure jump-up nu dark swing.

Martinclark, Friday, 6 February 2009 13:47 (eleven years ago) link

xpost - not sure what tune i was talking about but theres not that many of his out there - maybe check the samples at boomkat? as far as mixes, theres one here http://www.zshare.net/download/5344464594dfa8be/ and one here http://drop.io/JokerMix. i think there was another one on the fact site somewhere. theres prob others that ive not heard. someone needs to create a rolling wonky thread.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:18 (eleven years ago) link

just want to chime in with agreement to "Anti-War Dub" being overrated. it's alright, but i don't enjoy it anywhere near as much as the other Mala bits on DMZ/Deep Medi Tim mentioned. i imagine a lot of the love for it comes through hearing it out at 'raves' (and its enforced rarity, which is fine by me since i sold my copy for some ludicrous sum :)

resolved, Friday, 6 February 2009 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

i think the two Loefah records on DMZ are absolutely crucial, especially Mud/Ruffage. but i don't need anything else by him, or anything else copying that sound.

resolved, Friday, 6 February 2009 16:18 (eleven years ago) link

i love Loefah and hate that he's seen as dull and plodding because of all the people who have copied him and produced a monotonous halfstep-monster industry, although of course I can see how he might be boring to some people. Ideally I see a Loefah track dropped at a night with a big system in between more upbeat 2steppy pieces, just to slow things down a bit and let some bass drop.

I also loved Coki, Tortured/shattered is a favourite of mine, Burning and his co-production on Night, both of which I obviously never want to hear again but which were pretty awesome at the time. The midrange metal wobble ridiculousness of Spongebob etc. have really brought him down in my estimation.

Would agree that Mala is hte best of Mystikz tho.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 6 February 2009 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

Hessle audio I'm conflicted on. Lot's of people pointing to it as outside the "mainstream" of dubstep and superior to it. And I feel some of the tunes. But some are just, I dunno, not rude enough? A bit too clean, slightly coffee-table? I might be well off but I just get that sometimes from some of the tunes.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 6 February 2009 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

And also sometimes not really very funky/2steppy when people are saying they're preferable over the "mainstream" which is bringing a paucity of these qualities.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 6 February 2009 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

I do recognise Coki and Loefah broke ground. But from my perspective it's a bit like how Jonny L's "Piper" broke ground in d&b. Like, "wait, this is gonna be the whole genre now???" But, um, yeah, "Stuck" is good, I just forgot to list it above (though "Neverland" is much the better track on that 12). Anyway I'm not trying to downplay Mala who I still like most of all (and you're right, Martin, there are still more Mala classics than Anti-Social classics, though the gap is rapidly narrowing) so much as give thanks for the emergence of heaps of artists in this general vein. The fact that Quest and Silkie are just some more strong producers (worthy of a hat-tip in a this month in dubstep run-down rather than a full-blown hagiography) reflects well on the scene itself. Of course to actually engage with the scene full-on as you do requires wading through the pile of crap as well, which I don't have to luckily.

As for Anti-Social's sound, well, a lot of Anti-Social stuff is on that linear house tip ("The Seafront" etc.) but "Sky's The Limit" and a lot of other Silkie tracks especially either depart from that entirely or fill in the bar with a lot more percussion that reminds me of Bias circa 2001/2002 - stuff like his remix of El-B's "Serious". And it's Zed Bias-y as much in the way it uses urgent quasi-jazzy instrumental refrains (trilling vamps and the like). It's a lot more lush than Mala who generally uses very spare melodic hooks (not a criticism).

Re Hessle Audio, I agree they could be ruder (but then basically the more dubstep is like "Serious (Zed Bias Remix)" the better in my opinion). I think of a lot of this Hessle Audio/3024/etc. stuff as being the equivalent of the kind of drum & bass DJ Clever was pushing five years ago - trying to recapture the sense of possibility of earlier sounds but doing so in a cleaner/more technical/more professional manner.

OTOH I always think "coffee table" is a dangerously fuzzy kind of term, it sort of eats up all sorts of spaces of possibility around it. I've always thought that the idea of New Forms as "coffee table jungle" was such a point-missing exercise (the real problem with that album being that half the tracks on the first disc are weak).

Tim F, Friday, 6 February 2009 23:09 (eleven years ago) link

no no no tim, you can't compare loefah to techstep. for a start techstep was part of the jungle/d&b continum, whereas dubstep clearly - sonically, socially, musically - broke away from garage. (seriously the garage crowd didnt give a fuck about FWD>>).

Techstep made d&b more constrained. Loefah took early dubstep and did things that no producer has ever had the balls to do. Reducing it to such few incredible, beautiful elements, stripped it back so far it was breathtakingly daring to play it out and call it "dance" music. i dont mind if it's not feminine enough for you or whether it lacks momentum or if it's too agressive or if it's too cold, but you gotta respect it broke new, wonderful ground in what constitued urban "dance" music.

So who's ready for the Kryptic Minds album on Loefah's new label? ;)

btw, has anyone else noticed how bad New Forms has dated but Timeless (sic) hasnt?

Martinclark, Friday, 6 February 2009 23:36 (eleven years ago) link

"the real problem with that album being that half the tracks on the first disc are weak"

Sure, but I think the "coffee table" critique hits at why they are weak.

"Techstep made d&b more constrained."

Not initially.

Alex in SF, Friday, 6 February 2009 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

"Techstep made d&b more constrained. Loefah took early dubstep and did things that no producer has ever had the balls to do. Reducing it to such few incredible, beautiful elements, stripped it back so far it was breathtakingly daring to play it out and call it "dance" music. i dont mind if it's not feminine enough for you or whether it lacks momentum or if it's too agressive or if it's too cold, but you gotta respect it broke new, wonderful ground in what constitued urban "dance" music."

You could as easily say "Loefah made dubstep more constrained. Techstep took d&b and did thing that no producer had ever had the balls to do..." And in fact if you replaced "techstep" with "neurofunk" (which is what "Piper" was really) then I've read so many descriptions of that music in exactly the terms you apply to Loefah.

As I said I agree that Loefah broke new ground but I disagree that the ground broken was that amazing. But this argument kinda hits a dead-end at this point.

"Sure, but I think the "coffee table" critique hits at why they are weak."

Well the term equally applies to all the life-changing amazing tracks on disc 2 ("Share The Fall (Instrumental)", "Change My Life", "Trust Me", "Hot Stuff", "Ballet Dance" etc. etc.) - the difference being: better rhythms, better grooves, greater focus on a surround-sound immersion than on vocals...

"btw, has anyone else noticed how bad New Forms has dated but Timeless (sic) hasnt?"

Also this strikes me as wrong but again I think it's just a matter of opinion and we're not gonna see eye to eye here.

Tim F, Saturday, 7 February 2009 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

I've only listened to the sample but Appleblim's remix of "If Alone" sounds like bliss.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 7 February 2009 10:14 (eleven years ago) link

"New Forms has dated"

i dont think it has - played it the other week and some of the 12" remixes and they all sound as good as they used to. and i *was* expecting them to sound dated. the more straight ahead D&B on timeless sounds good - not the rest though. new forms integrated the jazz/live elements a 100 times better than goldie.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 7 February 2009 10:16 (eleven years ago) link

I agree 100% with that.

Tim F, Saturday, 7 February 2009 11:21 (eleven years ago) link

"I agree that Loefah broke new ground but I disagree that the ground broken was that amazing"

well, to be fair, i feel similarly about coki post-"Tortured." Stuff like "Spongebob" might be original, but sonically I cant be dealing with it.

Martinclark, Saturday, 7 February 2009 11:24 (eleven years ago) link

has Darkstar - Aidy's Girl a Computer been released yet?? that tune is wack!

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 04:17 (eleven years ago) link

nope. wack as in, poor?

Martinclark, Sunday, 8 February 2009 11:48 (eleven years ago) link

no, wack as in awesome. what's your take on that track?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 12:13 (eleven years ago) link

wrong choice of word, sorry. i'm indonesian.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 8 February 2009 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

Top, top marks indeed for the new Mount Kimbie EP.

"Is that Mount Kimbie release available on download anywhere? Sounds great."

It's floating around as a 320 mp3 torrent and will probably make the Rapidshare rounds before long.

Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Sunday, 8 February 2009 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

worth mentioning on the colourful, actually kinda funky tip is gemmy's 30 min mix for fact, not sure which are which but there's at least four or five fantastic new-ish ones on there. (tracklisting here)

also good is this 2000f mix from december, nothing really tops 'you don't know what love is' but lots of bouncy 'not joyless' gems still. if you can stand 64kbps, joker and nomad's dec 22 rinse show is long enough to play catch up with most of the best recent big tunes from this corner

lucas pine, Monday, 9 February 2009 08:44 (eleven years ago) link

Feeling in a big way right now:

Untold's stuff on Hemlock: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=158993
Breakage / Instra:mental on Naked Lunch: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=157855
Millie, Daphne 02: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=155823
Anstam, Cree: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=157871

Not so much "classic" dubstep, more accents of techno, IDM and even industrial. But definitely the strain I'm most interested in at the moment.

pshrbrn, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:37 (eleven years ago) link

random generalisation but i was listening to the distance album last night and much as i like it (prob one of the best dubstep albums), it reminded me that one of the things i dislike about dubstep is how weak it can sometimes be rhythmically.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 9 February 2009 13:41 (eleven years ago) link

not sure about this new Horsepower 12".

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

lead track is over-busy. Crap snare drum and hi-hats. Full of samples of sirens and gun shots, cars screeching and explosions. Also skanking guitar and melodica. Personally I'm a bit sick of cod-reggae touches in dubstep, even though that's a bit hypocritical cause I'm still in to all the old tracks with said touches in them. Really overstays it's welcome, over six minutes and could do with being less than four.

Second track has some cod eastern touches and wobbly bass. Just generally do not want.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

Neither track very 2steppy at all.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

oh in fact i should mention the second track has Spongebob esque metallic annoying mid-range bass wobbly, not even just regular wobble.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

bollocks. i have a total wobble-aversion but Kingstep only has it in touches at the end. mostly it's like Sholay on steroids. sure i'd have loved it to be garage but in its own right it's a great tune.

Martinclark, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:24 (eleven years ago) link

i wish it was like Sholay on steroids!

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 10:55 (eleven years ago) link

dorian concept's new album is sounding pretty solid as of halfway through, lots of nice simmery pitchbent chime sounds. can be listened to here. not dubstep, but in a similar vein to rustie i guess--are there any other threads for this stuff?

someone needs to create a rolling wonky thread.
― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, February 6, 2009 3:18 PM (1 week ago)

^^! if only there were a better name!

lucas pine, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 08:54 (eleven years ago) link

On the wonky tip, Kode9’s forthcoming “Black Sun” is ridiculous. Funky beat + all the perverse synth maneuvers of wonky = devastating. I’m sure those of you in London have already heard this out…

Brian C, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

new dusk n blackdown show has some goodies. though i usually always skip the opening history lesson and get to the new exclooses.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 February 2009 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone heard Skream's remix of La Roux then? I think it's fantastic, although i wish the breakbeat at the end went on a bit longer.

Number None, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

http://twitter.com/snoopdogg

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 23:28 (eleven years ago) link

and Plastician is saying he's playing some shit tomorrow night on Rinse.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 23:29 (eleven years ago) link

just heard it. its snoop produced by chase n status. its a bit shit tbh. lil waynes dubstep track with pharrell was better.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:50 (eleven years ago) link

lol, just posted this on the autogoon thread. it's a bit nine inch nails, weirdly. i like it though

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:51 (eleven years ago) link

it sounds like corny dubstep and snoops verses are really boring.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:57 (eleven years ago) link

actually it makes sense that its corny cos a) its chase n status b) they usually make d&b/breakbeat stuff (far as im aware), not dubstep.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 09:02 (eleven years ago) link

I love the corniness of Chase and Status usually though. It's the best thing about them!

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Thursday, 19 March 2009 09:52 (eleven years ago) link

Like they're the Aphrodite of their generation.

Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Thursday, 19 March 2009 09:53 (eleven years ago) link

haha man, atrocious. d&b bros go die.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

still, i dunno, i'm glad it exists.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

its not new but the LD remix of do you mind is still so fucking beautiful (they just played it on rinse). no idea why it wasnt on the official re-release. now im gonna have to buy it again.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

On what release is the remix? It's not on my Maximum Bass cd single.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 22:43 (eleven years ago) link

Traumatic Times EP on hyperdub is a beaut.

Also, sate my curiousity: why are Dubstep labels so intent on only releasing 2 tracks on a single 12", which ultimately takes up less than half the surface area available. Does it have to do with pressing and sound quality? (I don't know anything about these things) why don't you see more 10"s? or is it just matter of not wanting to flood the world with too many tracks, or even just to boost profits?

mehlt, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 23:07 (eleven years ago) link

cos theyre anal about sound quality. same reason when dubstep albums come out on vinyl certain tracks from the cd are missing.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 07:47 (eleven years ago) link

I thought that was partly because the albums tend to leave out previously released singles.

mh, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

Interesting Q & A with Kode9 (of Hyperdub Records) on eMusic in early April.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 13 April 2009 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

I'm slowly falling deeply in love with 10-20's s/t album. It's so textured, so rich in layers and overflowing with beautiful melodies and strange bubbling beats 'n bass. It's as far away from the dancefloor as you can imagine, and that's precisely why I love it so much. Just like Mount Kimbie's EP. 10-20 is just such blissful, atmospheric dreamlike dubstep, I don't know if I can call it dubstep anymore. But I don't care for that, this is just heavenly great.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

His album's ou ton Highpoint Lowlife btw

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

"out on"

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

10-20 is sounding like early vladislav delay doing dubstep to me. really nice, thanks for the tip dude.

you say tomato, isao tomita (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:49 (eleven years ago) link

actually, it just reminds me of vladislav delay. not really dubsteppy.

you say tomato, isao tomita (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:54 (eleven years ago) link

No problem! There's only a wee bit of dubstep trickling through, yes. Didn't know where else to put it though. The Delay comparison is otm.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, i was listening to it on my wee computer speakers, but on headphones i'm hearing it a little more in the bass and whatnot.

i've been enjoying the mount kimbie EP, too.

you say tomato, isao tomita (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 13:01 (eleven years ago) link

Any verdict on the Martyn album yet? What little I've heard suggests he's played it a bit safe but will give it another go.

sam500, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 00:34 (eleven years ago) link

Based on my limited exposure I'd cosign your prelininary judgment.

Tim F, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

as well as your preliminary judgment.

Tim F, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

Skream's "Fick" is killing me.

bendy, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 01:54 (eleven years ago) link

The Silkie album is a joy. Recommended...

Martinclark, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 07:14 (eleven years ago) link

Excited about that one!

Tim F, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 07:54 (eleven years ago) link

Glad I heard about the Mount Kimbie EP on here. Really loving it. I'm a big fan of the Martyn album too, though it is a bit unwieldy at 75-odd minutes long. Elden St especially is a corking tune.

Chris in Belfast, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:47 (eleven years ago) link

Martyn and TRG(?) mix (1hr each) on RDB yesterday:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/robdabank/

koogs, Monday, 20 April 2009 09:14 (eleven years ago) link

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Uncle Sam's "Round The World Girls" on the Soul Jazz "Steppa's Delight" comp is absoultely fantastic. Maybe not strictly dubstep, but would def like to hear more stuff like this. Reminds me of an electro-fied Beres Hammond.

I think this is the version I know, sadly can't listen at work to check:

the next grozart, Monday, 20 April 2009 13:26 (eleven years ago) link

It has been mentioned upthread, I know this because I posted about it:

D1 - Trial run ep is pretty great. The highlight being coincidentally enough the D1, Mind and soul, a fantastic bit of vocal dubstep (vying with Burnin' and Tes la rok's "Round the world girls" for my favourite vocal dubstep tune at the moment) with slinky keys and quite cheesy but cool synth stabs. Vocals on a female r'n'b/chipmunk mode.

― jim, Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:59 PM (2 years ago)

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Monday, 20 April 2009 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

I kind of went off it tho, D1 track still a totally slept on favourite tho!

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Monday, 20 April 2009 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

too many tho

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Monday, 20 April 2009 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

it's a great crossover track though. i've dabbled with dubstep but am by no means an expert, if i play that track at home/in a club though, people just stop what they're doing for at least a minute.

the next grozart, Monday, 20 April 2009 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

Any love for the new Boxcutter album, Arecibo Message? I've listened to it 5 or 6 times through, and the first half a bit more than that, and it's not quite up to Glyphic standards but good nonetheless. Fantastic in places, especially the first three tracks and 'A Familiar Sound'. The back end has yet to open up properly for me (oo-er). It's much more dense, claustrophobic and restless than Glyphic, and there's a bit of a cosmic funk feel to a lot of it. Less than half probably counts as dubstep, though weirdly enough the first half of 'Sidetrak' is a dead ringer for Burial.

Chris in Belfast, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 22:45 (eleven years ago) link

Boxcutter left me cold. Semi-interesting sounds, but nothing sticks and nothing is memorable.

This, tho --

there's a bit of a cosmic funk feel to a lot of it . . . (and) the first half of 'Sidetrak' is a dead ringer for Burial

-- is intriguing.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 21 April 2009 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

I know what you mean by nothing being memorable. I wouldn't quite go that far, but there are precious few tracks of his I'd be able to hum bits of, and last.fm tells me I've listened to Glyphic nearly 20 times through. Still great though.

Chris in Belfast, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 22:50 (eleven years ago) link

new Rinse FM show from us, http://www.sendspace.com/file/sx0168

Tracklist here: http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/dusk-blackdown-rinse-archive-page.html

<./. spam .>.

Martinclark, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Based on samples the new 12"s by Untold sounds really ace.

"Dante" sounds not unlike Baby Ford making dubstep.

Edward Saroyan, Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

Untold is one of my absolute favorites right now -- so much space and detail and motion in his work.

pshrbrn, Sunday, 24 May 2009 22:05 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that untold record's nice. although the dudes sharing it on slsk are the banniest mfers ever.

also liking akira kiteshi a lot, but he's one of those guys where i'm never quite sure if it "counts" as dubstep.

i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 25 May 2009 01:44 (eleven years ago) link

speaking of not being sure if it "counts" as dubstep, howsabout timeblind's awesome recent 12" for version? great, great, great fucking record. no surprise, coming from timeblind. i actually have a hard time figuring out what i think about his relationship to dubstep, in part i guess because he's been doing his thing since before dubstep had a name, and because tempo and sonics aside, he never quite hews to recognizably dubstep beat structures. (this is not a dig, btw! nor of course would it be a dig if he were, like, totally identifiable as dubstep. but i like this idea of flux in the margins, where you sort of "know" someone is "dubstep" but can't say why.)

pshrbrn, Monday, 25 May 2009 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

i guess i like this idea of identifying with genre, or not identifying -- it's sort of like gender/racial politics. like, does so-and-so identify as a man or woman, or does so-and-so identify as white or black? when genre affiliation gets so overdetermined (i'm probably using that term wrong, so sue me, or revoke my degree, whatever) it's nice to find artists that complicate what you thought you knew about given genres, and yet who also don't claim (or aren't claimed) to be somehow beyond or outside genre.

pshrbrn, Monday, 25 May 2009 04:48 (eleven years ago) link

Have a pretty big-time track ID, Appleblim's Mutek set closer: a kind of trancey beepy synth, perhaps arpeggiated, and vocals involving "rising sun". Any insight would be much appreciated.

formerly: mehlt, edward saroyan (EDB), Thursday, 4 June 2009 04:17 (eleven years ago) link

i like anaconda a lot. sweat and dante are alright, sweat to my ears at least has an 80s house/dubstep/2step consolidation thing happening, dante seemed to not have much to do with dubstep at all. its cool so many dubstep producers are diversifying but half these tunes that bring in outside influences seem to have little to do with the host genre.

i need to find a good dubstep show to listen to regularly - is there one where you can hear a mix of the wobbly/straight ahead and the more leftfield stuff? anti social seem to play too much laid back/comatose stuff.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 4 June 2009 09:08 (eleven years ago) link

Phil. Talking of ideas around the margins, this post is next level: http://rougesfoam.blogspot.com/2009/06/loving-wonky.html

Martinclark, Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

This can be heard in Flying Lotus’s ‘Tea Leaf Dancers’ as the volume for every track except the drumloop rapidly decreases immediately before the kick and rapidly increases immediately after, giving the overall texture an ametrically undulating profile.

FL Studio peak controller madness! Been playing with this a lot, too. Could be any other program, I guess, but FL lets you trigger ridiculous things with peaks.

slugbaiting (rockapads), Thursday, 4 June 2009 22:15 (eleven years ago) link

it's called sidechain and its daft punk's bread and butter

kinda cool to hear the technique used in other genres

The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:28 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, the reason I think some of it is peak controller is because, from what I understand, it's not a real sidechain. You can use it to trigger any effect, and - I'm not sure if this is the case with sidechain - you don't have to heard the track that's triggering it. I also gather from reading too much dubstepforum that tons of these dudes use FL.

slugbaiting (rockapads), Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

quick! i've just download dubstep allstars volumes 1 through 6, which do i search and what do i destroy?

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

downloaded

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

I've been messing about with Reason to make dubstep tracks recently, and sidechaining is essential, but I'm interested to find out if peak controlling is possible in this program too?

dog latin, Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

Really really love the Cooly G Hyperdub 12" and the King Midas Sound EP. I guess neither are technically dubstep though (so much for policing the scene!)

Alex in SF, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

okay, i don't listen to this stuff, but i got this new album by CLOAKS in the mail and they are supposed to be dubstep and if other dubstep stuff sounds like this then count me in!

scott seward, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

Listening to the audio samples on their myspace they are a bit more breakcore than most dubstep. You might really like aXXo though. They are similarly heavy.

Alex in SF, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

no idea who cloaks are but was listening to beezy i think on rinse on wed night and it was seriously doing it for me.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 19 June 2009 16:26 (eleven years ago) link

that cooly g ep is one of my favourite things of the year. i love her. seeing her dj in a week @ tactile, can't wait

lex pretend, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

Lex have you heard the Dub Organizer stuff she's done?

Alex in SF, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

i've got dub organizer vol 1 - 'dis boy pt 4' is so beautiful. "he says he wants to run away..."

lex pretend, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

Are they just CD EPs then?

Alex in SF, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:39 (eleven years ago) link

i think there's just one, and mine is on cd - it's not even on discogs :/

(is yr clobbersaurus email up to date?)

lex pretend, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

Yup.

There are three listed on the BM-Soho shop. 4 songs a piece.

Alex in SF, Friday, 19 June 2009 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

Someone should do a cheesy wobbled-up remix of Live to Tell by Madonna. That would be wicked.

chap, Monday, 22 June 2009 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

This mix that Untld did for FACT is really doing it for me at the moment

Number None, Thursday, 25 June 2009 12:25 (eleven years ago) link

Untold

Number None, Thursday, 25 June 2009 12:25 (eleven years ago) link

joker's set from sonar http://bit.ly/eEKXp

society for cutting up (tricky), Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, thanks for that, tricky.

Also, nobody's mentioned Tectonic Plates Vol. 2 yet? It's probably the most comprehensive and cohesive dubstep label statement since the early Dubstep Allstars, IMO...

Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Thursday, 25 June 2009 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

been obsessed with this lately, as effectively used in Joker's Sonar set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYCzZCmPypk

Malcolm Money, Friday, 10 July 2009 04:19 (eleven years ago) link

for reasons im not sure i still really like totally generic dubstep like what youngsta was playing on rinse last night.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 10 July 2009 11:48 (eleven years ago) link

So does anyone know of that track I requested an ID (Appleblim's Mutek set closer) a kind of beepy synth, arpeggiated, and vocals involving "rising sun". Any insight would be much appreciated.

EDB, Friday, 10 July 2009 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

enjoying the self titled Clubroot release .

drone/a/sore, Friday, 10 July 2009 23:04 (eleven years ago) link

Caspa did the essential mix this week
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/essentialmix/

koogs, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

v unfashionable to say i know but im not very into that joy orbison track. maybe its just over myspace but it just sounds a bit thin. and a bit TOO well produced. polite almost.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 13:20 (eleven years ago) link

I think it's nice but not revelatory. If I want that kind of thing I'll listen to "Serious Thugs" or the funky tunes that go for the same vibe. Not that I know their names, only their female vocal samples, being:

- "IT'S the new sound!"
- "KEEP'S HAPPENING!"
- "ey-EY-ey!"
- "... AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU!"

Oh, and Pearson Sound's "Wad" of course, which is at least nominally quasi-dubstep. Apparently Pearson Sound actually is Ramadanman, which doesn't surprise...

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

these should prob go in the "wonky" thread but this one's here and i still don't want to dignify the term "wonky"…but they're absolutely beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0K7XW8WJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bIR_YmiuVw

lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:19 (eleven years ago) link

Those are great. I like "wonky" that basically sounds like primo grime instrumentals.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:41 (eleven years ago) link

have you heard much else by guido and joker, tim?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:50 (eleven years ago) link

those are wonky ;)

newish blackdown post that has the internet going macadamias:
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-do-u-call-it.html

lol@this guy in the comments box:
"Blood how can you say mainstream dubstep has lost it when Snoop Dogg is all over it?"

blood, thats exactly how.

anyway, i get what mr clark is saying, but i dont really need to ever hear about 'ldn', feminine pressure, the zone of pointless intensification (is that the one?) or any of those things ever again. the sooner bloggers get rid of those phrases the better, no offence. (also see: references to 'wot do u call it'). but then i dont *totally* hate (well not all of it) the stuff i suspect he says is metal step (or maybe i do, not sure - i quite liked spongebob). im not totally sure how you can write off dubstep but not write off grime either, although i can see why a hard to the core dubstepper might. its easier to discard it completely when you love/believe in something so much rather than have an endlessly frustrating relationship to it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

Lex, I know most of Joker's "big" tunes ("Gullybrook Lane", "Play Doe", the Kapsize EP, "Holly Brook Park" etc) and really like almost all of them; from Guido I only know the Orchestral Lab 12 inch, which is only alright.

I also love Jack Sparrow's "For Me" in this general vein.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

"only alright"? the 'orchestral lab' 12" is astoundingly gorgeous, really beautiful.

'digidesign' is the most essential joker track you didn't mention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHOdfSHZgs

lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:21 (eleven years ago) link

To be fair I haven't given the Guido enough of a chance, I think a lot of this stuff just makes me want to listen to old Low Deep tracks and other similar grime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCI6EObCXuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PpCwdyer2Y

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

I think the straightforwardness of the rhythms on the Guido 12 inch made me a bit inclined to underrate it a bit - obv the melodies are very pretty and, um, orchestral. But this stuff usually needs good and interesting rhythm programming to keep me coming back.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

Tim, yo should def. give the Orch Lab 12" B side, Way You Make Me Feel, another chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZTcfMCsNu4

scottpl, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

without getting super heady about why, I love Hyphy Mngo off the bat

Malcolm Money, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

I heard a great mix by Ben UFO while following links from that Blackdown post, which ended with the Hyphy Mngo song, and I left the mix at work. Anyone know which one I'm talking about and have a link by any chance?

mr. me too (rockapads), Saturday, 18 July 2009 02:40 (eleven years ago) link

ah nm I found it - was in the pitchfork article. http://sonicrouter.blogspot.com/2009/05/interview-ben-ufo.html is where it's at.

mr. me too (rockapads), Saturday, 18 July 2009 02:55 (eleven years ago) link

oh god, the sweat/dante sounds sooooooooooooooooooo good listening to it proper on vinyl.

Also, once again: Boxcutter, this guy kills me.

EDB, Thursday, 23 July 2009 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

i dont get the point of all these new tunes reworking old 2 step rhythms. that brackles one (lhc?) is quite interesting melody-wise for instance but i wish they came up with something a bit fresher on the rhythmic front. it feels too soon (and obv i know 2 steppy revival beats arent new) to be reviving that already.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 24 July 2009 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6NHi0ios4I

The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

crackstep

The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

Mount Kimbie have a new EP out called "Sketch on Glass." On first listen it seems like a definite step-up from "Maybes", which i loved

Number None, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

^ I'll have to check that out....I love 'Maybes"

Malcolm Money, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

eve on a benga beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShHmBOyr9U&feature=player_embedded

not great but adequate enough, not horrible i guess.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i was surprised by that. be interesting to see if it takes off in the states. dunno why US rappers seem more into dubstep than grime beats though.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

no silkie discussion?? it's certainly the best dubstep album that i can think of, i'd worn out his train wreck mix pretty well in the ages it took the album to be released but ive listened to it once a day since buying it last week and the first third of the album in particular is SO good. love all the little details, i swoon at the little 'ha- ha- haahh' three minutes into concrete jungle every time

shame about the bad vinyl pressing!

lucas pine, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 06:30 (eleven years ago) link

I adore Silkie and fully expect to adore the album but I haven't been able to source a copy yet.

Tim F, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 07:49 (eleven years ago) link

For people who haven't heard Sully:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EygO2Al40sI

Tim F, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:15 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaUPzhum5-w&feature=related

Tim F, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:15 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itLvnHSxAMA&feature=related

Tim F, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

into the first one

This is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYCzZCmPypk

Number None, Sunday, 9 August 2009 17:58 (ten years ago) link

makes me want the next junior boys album to have a major dubstep influence

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:30 (ten years ago) link

Don't say things like that, you're just getting my hopes up!

mh, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 16:48 (ten years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Getting more and more obsessed with Joy Orbison I have to say. Hyph Mngo was a great introduction, but most of the other tracks just sound so, well, complete and timless. Wet Look, Smother, Tentative Bidding all worth a listen.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 13:53 (ten years ago) link

Something Or Nothing (2000F & JKamata Remix) digital release is finally out!!!

seriously obsessed with this and Hyph Mngo for the past, oh, 3 months?

Malcolm Money, Saturday, 12 September 2009 07:00 (ten years ago) link

"Love Dub" and "Hyphy Mango" are completely changing my attitude about dubstep, even as I realize they are outliers. My perception of it now is more as fertile ground than as a dead end.

super-gay-crazy bitch-made devil-racist beast-mode swag (The Reverend), Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:26 (ten years ago) link

narst>>>love dub

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:30 (ten years ago) link

haven't heard it

super-gay-crazy bitch-made devil-racist beast-mode swag (The Reverend), Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:40 (ten years ago) link

need to remedy that

super-gay-crazy bitch-made devil-racist beast-mode swag (The Reverend), Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:40 (ten years ago) link

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=186660

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:41 (ten years ago) link

just occurred to me that Hyph Mngo reminds me of Utopia by Jackson and his Computer band

plax (I know, right?), Monday, 21 September 2009 22:55 (ten years ago) link

Hyph Mngo (Half the time I've also been calling it hyphy mango) always reminds me of this (the first track, for goodness sake, if anyone knows what it is please tell me!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GJs5YyfagY

EDB, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 02:10 (ten years ago) link

The Martyn remix is Fever Ray is the best thing I've heard from him in ages. Better than anything on the album I think.

Tim F, Sunday, 4 October 2009 12:58 (ten years ago) link

I preferred his 12"s to anything on his album.

On the mix front, have been really enjoying Oneman's Autumn mix as well as the first Hardwax podcast (DJ Pete).

sam500, Sunday, 4 October 2009 13:34 (ten years ago) link

I've gotta say, my favourite dubstep tunes this year by far have been the vocal reggae/roots influenced tracks such as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_f8bAGodY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_b_K16E524

I'd love to know if there's more stuff out there like this.

dog latin, Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:00 (ten years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13614-5-five-years-of-hyperdub/

Can I say how little a fan I am of this review?

I doubt you'd find much more sneering in a negative piece, I'm surprised that its scored so high.

Not a Kode 9 stan here, I like his music. But not necessarily the way he runs his label.

Not a fan of Wonky for the most part. Thought Burial's first album sounded like a good EP (which I already owned) and a bunch of filler. Second album falls off hard in the second half, gets too ambient.

But Kode 9 made that Junior Boys remix, Stung, and Black Sun and he is not someone you dismiss out of hand.

Fucking lazy ass piece.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 07:20 (ten years ago) link

Can we make it a rule that you can't diss dubstep dancing till you actually go to a night?

If you're after comedy on Youtube you can find it, but I doubt the dancing is bad at a Hessle Night at Fabric.

Or at the Berghain. Think of that: 500 leather daddies moving to hard as nails Scuba stuff.

Ironic considering techno is the one offshoot of early dance music that claims the least lineage associated with disco. When Derrick May described it was what "George Clinton and Kraftwerk stuck in an elevator"? Not a fucking mention of Italo in there at all. Techno was a move away from gay dance, the Belville Three seriously had an axe to grind regarding house. They couldn't compete in house, except for Saunderson. So they butched up.

And by 2009 its linked up with the least gay derivation of Garage possible.

And suddenly Dubstep is Techno for German sex clubs.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 07:33 (ten years ago) link

And when I say can't compete I mean 87. Not 92 when Mayday was ruling the world.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 07:35 (ten years ago) link

Kode 9 also made fucking Magnetic City. If you don't like that track you don't like muscular dance music!

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 07:42 (ten years ago) link

oh, i saw some dubstep heads lolling at that review on twitter yesterday, didn't read it b/c, y'know, pfork, what are the odds that it'd be worth it. apparently it failed to even mention ikonika o_0

"dubstep" seems like a really archaic way to describe the stuff on that comp anyway. still looking for a new term! post-dubstep is descriptively accurate but rubbish. w*nky, don't even go there. purple, only the bristol crew really. i think some people are trying to make "tropical" happen, i'd be down with that.

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 08:29 (ten years ago) link

I'm partial to Boomkat's Dubtech for the techno end. Boring I know. It does what it says on the tin.

Aquacrunk was cute, and artist approved for the Rustie stuff. Those guys hate the term Wonky just as much as I do. Zomby had a royal hissy fit at Simon's review of the genre, which he's entitled to.

Sorry Simon, that article was awful. Sketchiest what if kind of reporting possible.

As for the stuff that combines all this?

Weird drones over funky drums? Danceable post-garage experiments like Pangaea?

Tropical works I guess. Isn't that the Boy Better Know thing?

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 08:49 (ten years ago) link

But yeah, guy didn't mention Ikonika at all. Or Cooly G. Fucker.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 08:53 (ten years ago) link

wonkys not that bad. but i think its here to stay now. funny how it was coined by martin clark whos an insider and not someone who knows nothing about the music but still no one likes it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:08 (ten years ago) link

Wonky doesn't get used as an adjective in the American vernacular very much.

I tell my friend's that its called Wonky and they give me weird looks, like why do you care about this again?

Then I'm like forget that shit and go listen to Digidesign again.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:11 (ten years ago) link

i bet americans didnt get or think much of calling genres jungle, drum n bass or 2 step either though.

anyway, genre names are usually always contested by artists. we shouldnt pay them any mind. they always moan. wonkys a pretty good description of er wonky's sonic tics and generally wtf-is-this-annoying-shit-ness.

hyperdubs going to be the new warp though isnt it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:16 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, thats the problem.

Dubstep threw out some really great ideas for linear dance music, and now its devolving into a circle jerk.

Or a moshpit. I like my chances better in techno, really.

And I live in Wisconsin so I do kind of care what Americans think of this.

Skater kids over here are getting into Wobble, its absolutely bizarre.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:19 (ten years ago) link

Off for bed, morning UK.

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:21 (ten years ago) link

ha@that p4k review. its not that bad. and its sort of good in a way to read a review that for once doesnt fawn all over kode 9 and the label. cos that really DOES get boring, and tbh, ive found most of kode 9s own beats a bit soft and weirdly deficient in general, and the reviewers right, the new disc is a bit so-so. ALWAYS a mistake when youre doing a best of/GH anthology to put a disc of new material next to it. but that aside, the new tracks just arent that good really. theyre okay, but thats about it. plus the other older tracks are all proven so it doesnt really matter how theyre compiled together, the new ones arent really, so they have to kinda work as an album. which doesnt really help for this sort of music.

its also bizarre how much love hyperdub gets when he always says that the best things about underground uk music, sorry the nuum, is its collective hivemind, and that thats where all the best freshest most exciting etc ideas are, but his own label never actually puts out anything especially danceable lol. obv i can see thats WHY it would appeal more to guardian readers, but its not exactly breaking with the usual pattern.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:27 (ten years ago) link

not dissing kode 9 tho - i do always like what he has to say and hes a great dj.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:28 (ten years ago) link

really? i think the new material makes for a really amazing compilation, much better than i'd expected. the best new stuff > the best old stuff imo... "aidy's girl...", "sahara michael", "tarantula", "stash"

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:35 (ten years ago) link

can't wait for "Tentative Bidding" release. when is it?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:36 (ten years ago) link

doorstep

dog latin, Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:40 (ten years ago) link

xxpost to my own post - tho to be fair, the diff between this sort of experimental home listening dance music and the old stuff (tho i wasnt 'there' so not sure if those guys were getting played in clubs etc too - i think some of their stuff did didnt it?) is that kode 9 puts out stuff by guys properly part of 'the scene', its not just 'outsiders'. (tho isnt everyone an outsider at some point? ok n/m). so the 'its just artificial intelligence' again isnt quite right. although if autechre and co did occupy the same sort of fringe/in but also out position, then maybe it does hold. it just doesnt have to be seen as a total negative.

i think that review was just a bit of a reaction to all the somewhat excessive kode 9 love.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 09:44 (ten years ago) link

Um... That review does fawn all over Kode 9 though. The whole thing is about how distinctive and original and daring and non-boring-dubstep Hyperdub is.

(also not that I approve of focusing on numerical scores in pitchfork reviews but you've gotta do some fast talking to get a score above 8 to fly, if he's saying 8.2 he must really really really like the Classics disc)

Also sorry siah but I've been to enough dubstep gigs to know that's exactly how people dance at them, maybe not at Hessle Audio nights or Berghain but you're talking about a very small minority compared to the international language of indie-boy "skanking".

Tim F, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:24 (ten years ago) link

when i went to matter for the rinse night guys were doing the rock guitar strumming thing to dubstep while kinda pogoing!

The whole thing is about how distinctive and original and daring and non-boring-dubstep Hyperdub is.

while at the same time criticizing HD for not being dancey enough and kinda proggy in attitude.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:28 (ten years ago) link

"while at the same time criticizing HD for not being dancey enough and kinda proggy in attitude."

I think the comparison to Warp circa Artificial Intelligence doesn't seem to be positive or negative, just a reference point.

Tim F, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:32 (ten years ago) link

doorstep

approved

modescalator (blueski), Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:33 (ten years ago) link

xpost - I mean you can read that into the review if you think overtones of IDM are a bad thing, but for the readership I don't think that's the case at all; describing Hyperdub as "head music" is probably the best way you can get the pitchfork readership to actually investigate.

Also I do lol at how people now seem to associate "wonky" with reynolds. Next we'll have to disavow "uk funky" because he once talked about it.

Tim F, Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:34 (ten years ago) link

Pitchfork's still doing the thing where they have a blanket idea that most music outside of their main view is dumb, except for the token artists/albums/subgenres that they've wisely picked through for their readers. I haven't seen a review this shallow in a while, but maybe it's because it didn't get thrown to one of their pet genre writers.

mh, Thursday, 29 October 2009 14:17 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^x a milli

doorstep

approved

as manara said the other week, naughtystep needs to happen

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 14:19 (ten years ago) link

my feelings about dubstep, and this comp, are that at its best it's somewhat psychedelic, deep, and playfully creative. at it's worst it's got a cheap, eurotrashy feel to it i can't stand. i'm sure that people who know way more about dubstep than me could pick out great songs from the latter, but so far i can't see myself really digging it. listening to 5 years and there's a pretty solid leaning towards the former, most of which i think are relatively newer. so given this extremely limited history of the genre, i like where things are going.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 29 October 2009 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Considering you can't actually dance to dubstep (last time I saw any dubstep on a dancefloor was a week ago and it really was mostly blokes standing in a room doing the vigorous head nodding thing) I think that review is pretty generous. I mean, short of getting on his knees and fellating Kode9 what more do you want him to do?

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:20 (ten years ago) link

i definitely remember manara and i wining our waists last week? lots of socaerobics moves being busted

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:22 (ten years ago) link

one of the best bits of the comp is when joker & ginz's "stash" busts out that eurotrashy synth riff

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:24 (ten years ago) link

I think it's more that dubstep's Big Serious Face is so ripe for mockery that's it's amusing to watch people getting annoyed because Big Serious Indie Website isn't treating it with the expected degree of reverence.

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:25 (ten years ago) link

dubstep is most certainly danceable. benga and skream dj'd at piknic electronic a month and a half ago and lord knows what all of our collective hips were doing if it ain't called dancing.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:31 (ten years ago) link

i don't think dubstep really has a Big Serious Face any more, and from what i gather the annoyance isn't b/c of the lack of reverence but b/c of the general (xpected) rongness.

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:32 (ten years ago) link

You can dance very well to dubstep but it has to be over a decent sound system, it doesn't work without a wall of vibrating bass. Having said that, loads of (what I consider crap) dubstep isn't any good to dance too - the wobble stuff like Caspa for example.

And, again, having said all this, the dubstep I like is more on the European tech side of things.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:33 (ten years ago) link

Maybe (strawman alert) you need to be a good dancer/enjoy dancing to dance to Dubstep unlike your average Pitchfork reviwer/reader.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:39 (ten years ago) link

the whole "you can't dance to dubstep" thing is a bit boring to hear when you've seen dancing at dubstep raves about a hundred times but I think it's still got some mileage to go before I start sbing for it.

Also Benga and Skream djing nowadays = atrocious and everything that is wrong with dubstep. Altho Benga on his own and Benga's productions are still ok.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Thursday,