Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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I'll be doing this the same way as Stevem, which is to post a little bit each day until it's done. I'm just going to do 100-90 tonight, more over the weekend, and by mid-week the list will be done.

I didn't get as many comments as I would have liked and unfortunately wasn't able to make the time to e-mail people back for more comments. As we get to the top thirty, I'll dig into my inbox to see what I have. But right now, on to the list...feel free to add the comments as we go along.

Also, this is technically a top 101. But whatever...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait... we could have sent in comments with our lists too? Damn!

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It's about time.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I was working two jobs and on another project that was almost a third job.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I take it back then, Mr Gear

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 6 November 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

#100 (tie)


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PALACE MUSIC - "New Partner"


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AIR - "All I Need"

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, the voting here was incredibly tight, on this entire poll (at least on the lower half of the top 100). If there was one more #1 vote for one of the songs that ended up in the 180's, it could have sneaked into the top 100.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

So much for getting work done on a Friday night!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

forgot this bit, which will be how it is the rest of the way:

Palace Music - "New Partner" (233 points, 12 votes, 2 first place votes)

Air - "All I Need" (233 points, 16 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

#98 (tie)

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Madonna - "Deeper and Deeper" (234 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)

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Teenage Fanclub - "The Concept" (from the pictured album above...)
(234 points, 15 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

#97

WU-TANG CLAN - "Shame On A Nigga" (235 points, 13 votes)

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meth's line on 'shame on a nigga' ('i'm better, than my competor, you mean competitor? whatever!') is, on a good day, the best line ever recorded.

-- ethan padgett

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link

#96

BEASTIE BOYS - "Intergalactic" (236 points, 13 votes, 1 first place)

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"Intergalactic" was like the only decent song they played in bars with girls in them that I went to in the summer/fall of 98, and I would always sing "Intergalactic Prophylactic" when dancing with girls who I knew weren't going to sleep with me anyhow.

- Horace Mann

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

#95

MADONNA - "Ray of Light" (240 points, 21 votes)

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This is probably my favorite Madonna song, except for maybe a couple of her mid-nineties ballads. Really, it's astonishing. I don't think I'll ever be a fan of hers overall, but I'll hang into the CD for this song alone...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

re:#98 "deeper & deeper" is my favourite madonna track. the sound of music inna whirling spanish house style, oh yeah.

I'm going to get really depressed over not voting, I can tell.

etc, Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

#94

CORNERSHOP - "Brimful of Asha" (243 points, 16 votes)

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Comments on this one? I like it, a lot more than I like the rest of the Cornershop album...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's a comment: I really hated that song.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Same here.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

45!

45!, Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

#92 (tie)

BJORK - "Human Behaviour" (245 points, 12 votes)

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I knew someone from Pakistan who likes "Human Behavior," which proves it's her best song.

-- Rockist Scientist


ORBITAL - "Belfast" (245 points, 14 votes)

http://www.paulstephenson.freeserve.co.uk/orbital_singles/orb_belfast-wasted12.jpg

Belfast is the absolutely blissful sound of being sublimely hammered and sitting on a kerb/haystack/car bonnet somewhere you don't know at 4am. It is beautiful.

-- Nick Southall

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(I liked that quote, RS! Good timing)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

#91

ISOLEE - "Beau Mot Plage"

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I heard this song on a mix tape a friend made for me awhile back and I've been trying to find any sort of Isolee CD, but it can't be done. Curses to me and my refusal to mail-order. This is a great cut.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Isolee ---> (246 points, 13 votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

#90

ARAB STRAP - "The First Big Weekend" (247 points, 14 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"The first one is pure ass, except "the first big weekend" and "deeper". "The First Big Weekend" is maybe the best Arab Strap song."

-- gygax!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I might do some more tonight when I get home. Maybe take it up to #80.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh no, Belfast was only #92? What a shame. (my #5)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 6 November 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

This is pretty dumb so far.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 6 November 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I like most of them so far. Shame about "All I Need" being so low (it made my Top5). The two Madonna ones are great.

Seb (Seb), Saturday, 6 November 2004 07:11 (nineteen years ago) link

slightly drukn but at least my calculations are done! let's continue...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

#89

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Hypnotize" (249 points, 12 votes)

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I surprised this isn't higher. This is the one that sold me on Biggie and causes me to speak no ill of P. Diddy.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i is ver drunken isolee shoudl have been hirhger.


Hypnotize is WAY TOO LOW! Racists.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

#87 (tie)

THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "The Luckiest Guy On the Lower East Side" (250 pts, 14 votes)

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PAVEMENT - "Shady Lane" (250 points, 17 votes)

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Comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Pavemtn is in no unverse better than BIGGIE

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 6 November 2004 08:59 (nineteen years ago) link

#86

SAINT ETIENNE - "Like A Motorway" (252 points, 16 votes, 1 first place)

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Like_A_Motorway.jpg

I noticed a while ago that St. Etienne's "Like a Motorway" is melodically very like the traditional ballad "Silver Dagger," which goes back at least many hundreds of years. I thought it was cool that the tune was being revisited and kept alive (probably unconsciously).

-- JesseFox

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

this is totally bleh so far (not gear's fault obv)

amateur!!st, Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

#85

SLOWDIVE - "Alison" (254 points, 15 votes)

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I've been told for years to get the above album that this song is on, mostly for this song in particular...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the way this turned out. Even at this point, the list is covering many different bases.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

#83 (tie)

LAMB - "Gorecki" (259 points, 15 votes, 1 first place)

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"Gorecki"...it was blatantly obvious that that song is brilliant, wonderful, indispensible, etc. -- Dan Perry

this morning on my md walkman i found myself paying a lot of attention to the words to Lamb's Gorecki, and tho it gets a lot of Unfinished-Sympathy-knock-off criticism, i can't think of a more beautiful and affective love song.

-- Alan Trewartha

APHEX TWIN - "Girl/Boy Song" (259 points, 18 votes)

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OPO: Richard D James

girl/boy
-- jess (dubplatestyl...), February 4th, 2003.

i second girl/boy song
-- PMK

Girl/Boy thirded.
-- Matt DC

i fourth girl/boy
-- dyson

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

damned images...

"Gorecki" is from Lamb's self-titled debut as pictured below, and "Girl/Boy Song" is from Aphex Twin's Richard D. James album.

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Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

#81 (tie)

BLUR - "Song 2" (262 points, 17 votes, 1 first place)

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The video for "Song 2" features Damon being satisfyingly hurled against a wall...

-- Ally

DIGITAL UNDERGROUND - "Humpty Dance" (262 points, 14 votes)

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Certainly "The Humpty Dance" is one of the finest singles of all time, no?

-- J0hn Darn1elle

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

alright, until tomorrow night then. Look for 80-61...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm, this last has been pretty good so far, even though "Belfast" is the only one I actually voted for. I expect the album list to be more indie-oriented, rap and electronic music usually fair better on the singles list, for obvious reasons.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The comment for Song 2 is utterly classic.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 6 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"Gorecki" 83? BOO URNS.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 6 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear -- two things, both unbearably pedantic:

1. Wu-Tang/Beastie Boys/Madonna/Cornershop should be 96/95/94/93 -- I think you may have caught your mistake by the time you got to 92, though, so this is just an FYI.

2. I don't know how many ties are left in the rest of the chart, but how would you feel about breaking them by favoring the track with more overall votes? It looks like you may have already taken this into consideration with the order you placed them in, actually. But I'd like that better, since ties always makes it seem like the sample size is too small.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing I voted for has been up so far - does this mean I have voted with or against the pack? I suspect the latter. No, wait! I voted for the Wu-Tang song (which should be much higher, of course - It's #9 on my list).

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Wu-Tang/Beastie Boys/Madonna/Cornershop should be 96/95/94/93 -- I think you may have caught your mistake by the time you got to 92, though, so this is just an FYI.
No, he's done it right ... it's because of all the ties so far. No numbers have been skipped.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

The only one so far that I voted for is 'Shame On A Nigga', my #14. One of the things I love most about it is the episode of Larry Sanders where they play on the show, and Hank asks a technician to name some of their songs, then goes up to them and tells them how great they are. "My favourite is 'Shame On A Nigger'," he says. A magical moment.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

No, he's done it right ... it's because of all the ties so far. No numbers have been skipped.

SORRY! You're right -- I was forgetting that there were 101 songs!

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

'Shame On A Nigga' only got 13 votes - Martin and I are probably responsible for it even getting enough points to make the top 100...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is making me love the 90s.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

There was one song by a very popular band that received 19 votes but only 220 points, placing it somewhere in the 160s. And a certain indie band received 14 votes on a song but only 119 points, so it was down around #300.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to know which songs got the least points

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 6 November 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The "Hall of Shame", as it were, will be presented after the polls have been posted.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

FYI:

tonight, 80-61
Monday, 60-41
Tuesday, 40-31
Wednesday, 30-21
Thursday, 20-11
Friday, TEH TOP TEN

the albums will begin the following Friday, if not sooner.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

amend that to:

Sunday: 60-51
Monday: 50-41
etc

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, in the cold light of day, this list is pretty cool so far, magnetic fields notwithstanding (was that really 1999? it seems more recent)

amateur!!st, Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

mag fields was 99

yup, Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Shit, only EIGHTY-THREE for "Girl/Boy Song"? If I hadn't voted it wouldn't have even placed!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

(Not that there's anything special about my vote vs anyone else who rated it obv.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember being nice to girl/boy, but i obviously overestimated the aphex-voting ilx population

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

'Shame On A Nigga' only got 13 votes - Martin and I are probably responsible for it even getting enough points to make the top 100...

I had "Shame on a Nigga" at #2, actually.

From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

let us continue. I need to get outta here soon...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

#79 (tie)

DE LA SOUL - "A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays" (268 points, 17 votes)

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I could go on and on about how much i love the youth remix of 'saturdays' - they play it at 'funkademia' in manchester evry saturday and it's so popular they *turn down the vocals* durin the chorus so evry1 can sing along...

- piscesboy

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - I had "Shame on a Nigga" at #5 (27 pts)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

humpty dance at 8o ilm must die

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

#79 (tie)

MASSIVE ATTACK - "Angel" (268 points, 19 votes)

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"Angel" is slow motion apocalypse. It's like the bomb first drops, then goes off, then has to fight its way through, indeed, tar or something similar.

- Ned Raggett

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you're making baby john darni3313 cry
xp

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(the rest later, gotta run)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

#78

THE PIXIES - "Alec Eiffel" (269 pts, 22 votes)

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I dont care what anyone else says, it can only be 'Alec Eiffel'. Someone here once said that there are more amazing ideas within these 3 minutes than in many a band's entire output. (Including the Pixies? Hahaha...!) I hope it plays in the club I'm going to later tonight, because I feel like dancing - no, flying! - on that song so much right now...

- Simon

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

#77

EMINEM - "My Name Is" (271 points, 21 votes)

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Slim Shady does not give a fuck what I think.

- David Sim

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that song more than most but putting it above the Humpty Dance and Shame on a Nigga is some wack shit.
Boooo ILM.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

#76

DESTINY'S CHILD - "Say My Name" (272 points, 19 votes)

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Is there a DC track more perfect and succinct than this? Maybe, but they're not here and this is. And right now it sounds like the best thing they ever did. It's pretty much Beyonce's show as usual and typically her strength is not really deployed until the end - the music not really rising with her though, preferring to remain in it's regimented but bounceable sync-pop groove, comfortable as it is. As pure Summery modern pop with soul tones it's flawless in conception and execution.

-- the neurotic awakening of s

Taken from comments on the '00s poll, this song knows not the boundaries of millenia.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(it gets better, djd)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

That DC song is far too low as well.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

#75

NAUGHTY BY NATURE - "O.P.P." (276 points, 14 votes)

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One band that I think history's given a rough deal to is Naughty By Nature. I still think that their biggest trick- using lyrical themes to contrast their always-so-damn-obvious samples, not as a gesture of subversion per se, but to give the songs some *conflict*- is pure genius. It's there on "O.P.P." of course, the exuberant innocence of The Jackson Five vs. the sly evil of the subject matter...

- Daniel_Rf

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Destiny's Child look so cute and long ago on that sleeve.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

#74

BASEMENT JAXX - "Rendez-Vu" (278 points, 18 votes)

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"'Rendez-Vu' = immediate satisfaction."

- Eric H

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Out of interest, Gear, how many people voted?

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

#73

OASIS - "Live Forever" (282 points, 16 votes)

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"I finally brought myself to buy Definitely Maybe today for the first time, guiltlessly, while reminiscing 'bout those wonderful times once upon a time ago, back in the fifth grade. IT IS STILL BRILLIANT. They will live forever, a pox on you!"

-- Francis Watlington

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The number of ballots in the end was somewhere around 130. Hard to say from my email inbox; some people sent their singles and albums ballots together and some sent them separately.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

oasis has such an ugly logo. why did britpop bands brand themselves like detergent?

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

130 people rather, xpost

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Because most of them were functional and mundane.

xpost - thanks Gear.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah "functional" is about as much as i can say for blur and oasis. (i guess i like oasis marginally better, if only because at least they don't have pretensions to satire.)

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

#72

MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "When You Sleep" (284 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote)

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from Loveless

"Today I was listening to Loveless and when "When You Sleep" came on, I couldn't stop imagining Prince singing it. And then I started clapping on the backbeat, and really wanted to dance."

-- A.V. Alexandre

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

if chaka demus and pliers don't show up on this i'm going to be sad. anyway thanks gear for your work!

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

#71

THE CURE - "Pictures of You" (286 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)

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"Personally, I am ecstatic that I live in a society where people think that the lyrics "Looking so long at these pictures of you/But never held on to your heart/Looking so long for the words to be true/But always just breaking apart my pictures of you" can sell digital cameras."

-- Dan Perry

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, "O.P.P." got fucking robbed. I think I had it at like #5 or so and I thought it was a top 40 shoo-in.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm impressed that the 4 people who have so far said they voted for Shame On A Nigga avvounted for ~100 of the 235 points that it got. Votes are evidently powerful in this poll. THe fact that people wield this power by note voting for the Wu Tang, however...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe I didn't vote for "Pictures of You"! I must have missed it on the list. This would be at least 15 points higher.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

26 in my list, which in retrospect is probably too low.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

#70

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. featuring PUFF DADDY and MASE - "Mo Money, Mo Problems" (290 points, 21 votes)

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"citizen kane's ideology = mo money mo problems."

-- nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

daft punk's #1 single of 1997 too!

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to finish off the first fifty singles tomorrow afternoon/evening. Keep the discussion going, such as it is.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Angel', by Massive Attack was 21 on my list - I find it odd that it only tied for 79. Still, this is all before 30, and it's mostly stuff I didn't vote for, so I probably shouldn't complain.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd be curious to see how this would have broken down if it were separated into American voters and British voters.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 7 November 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Not looking good for "Hey Jealousy".

And the low scores for "Belfast" and "Like a Motorway" are more than a little shocking. I thought the latter would almost definitely be top 20. And does "Belfast"'s low placing mean that "Chime" didn't make it at all? Oh well.

"O.P.P." making it is good stuff though.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Sunday, 7 November 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, seven of my top 30 have appeared already.
I think the low placing for "Belfast" and "Like a Motorway" are an indication that there are other songs by the same bands that earned a lot more votes. Same for "When You Sleep" (I hope).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"'Rendez-Vu' = immediate satisfaction."
- Eric H

I don't even remember sending comments, but I know I could've done a whole lot better than that. I should at least mention that the fuzzy friction of the last chord in the flamenco's four-chord progression in the intro is like pulling what you think is a pubic hair out of your mouth and discovering it's pull-n-peel red licorice.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 November 2004 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear!, I'm willing to write comments for anything that appeared in my top 20 -- e-mail me if there are particular ones that need writing.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 7 November 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck, i'm pretty sure i had OPP at 3, this is a travesty. OPP!!

m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 7 November 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Eric H., Some of the comments are being taken from old ILM posts.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 7 November 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"Red Alert" is so much better than "Rendez-Vu" that it isn't even funny. Why wasn't that one nominated???

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Continuing on...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like the set the next several results were a nice coincidence.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

*would like to say

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

#69

SAINT ETIENNE - "Avenue" (291 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Avenue.jpg

Search: Nearly everything, but especially "Avenue". It is not only my single of the 90's, I think it might just be my favorite single of all time full stop. I don't really have any rational explanations of why, it just is. St. Etienne are magical.

- Nicole

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

jaymc: due to some computer viral issues right now, it's taking forever to search through my yahoo e-mails at the moment. searching through ILX for comments seems to be quicker for me. Starting a new job on Monday with a better computer so then that won't be an issue, but for the first 50 I think I'll do it like this. Send your comments for anything that has yet to appear!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, I guess the Curse of the Split Votes is going to strike Saint Etienne in the mid-60's?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

'Angel', by Massive Attack was 21 on my list - I find it odd that it only tied for 79

It was 7th on mine!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

#68

SAINT ETIENNE - "You're In A Bad Way" (294 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Youre_In_A_Bad_Way.jpg

1.Saint Etienne - “You’re In A Bad Way”

"This is how retro should be done. This is how kitsch should look, and sound. It should bounce like a space-hopper and be mixed like a
beautiful cocktail. Sipped by a girl of dubious-origin on a beach,
while a ropey porn-movie plays in the background."

- hobart paving

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, if "He's on the Phone" is next then I'm trashing my apartment.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i still can't get over how low "Hypnotize" is, I think that's the only one so far I voted for, and I mighta had that one top ten.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

It's gotta great beat, but I have to admit the only lyric I can remember is "no car payment."

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish i hadn't sold my st etienne records

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

4 of my choices have charted so far.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Only "Girl/Boy Song" so far (although I had votes for different Wu-Tang, Biggie and Destiny's Child songs.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

#67

SAINT ETIENNE - "Nothing Can Stop Us" (297 points, 14 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Nothing_Can_Stop_Us.c.jpg

The first single to feature Sarah Cracknell, unless I'm mistaken, and still one of their best cuts. Not sure about the cover art, though!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

This is getting ridiculous.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

My 12" doesn't look like that!

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, what an unlikely occurance...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

That cover is horrendous.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

omg the silver lamé jacket!! the hoop earrings!!

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

What do you suppose a maxi-single is?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

#66

JEFF BUCKLEY - "Hallelujah" (304 points, 18 votes)

http://www.liquidgnome.com/JeffBuckley/images/hall.jpg

"First time I listened to it I was lying in bad with the flu at 3 in the morning. It's just TOO lovely, and made the feel even worse than I did at the time, which was pretty bad!"

- Johnney B

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

A maxi-single is an American term for a 12" or CD EP, isn't it?

The UK issue was like this:

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Nothing_Can_Stop_Us.jpg

but less blurry.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

What do you suppose a maxi-single is?

-- Kevin Gilchrist (KevinGil14...), November 7th, 2004.

a single that doubles as a tampon?

xpost

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

It's gotta great beat, but I have to admit the only lyric I can remember is "no car payment."

Uh, is that a joke? "Escargot, my car go" ring a bell?

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

:)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

ah, I remember that one now. I have to admit I remember more of Chris Rock's "Champagne."

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

#65

PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)" (307 points, 13 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002H84.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
(from the album Mecca and the Soul Brother)

"pete rock & cl smooth created a subgenre with "they reminisce over you" which is a perfect marriage of elegiac rhymes and muted horns..."

- fred solinger

"nothing sadder in the world than Pete Rock & CL Smooth's "TROY (They Reminisce Over You)" "

- M Matos

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ah that's a good one

amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The squillion-way splitting of the St Etienne vote is no less devastating for it's utter predictability. *cries*

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

#64

ORBITAL - "Halcyon" (322 points, 17 votes)

http://www.paulstephenson.freeserve.co.uk/orbital_singles/orb_raddico_us12.jpg

"Halcyon is one of the most glorious bizarre and fantastic tracks around."

- Ronan

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I think there were comments to that effect on the noms thread.
But we still have "He's on the Phone" to root for!

(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

#63

LL COOL J - "Mama Said Knock You Out" (323 points, 19 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000024II.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"And you thought the word "damn" had lost its power..."

- Anthony Miccio

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

#62

MISSY ELLIOTT - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)" (326 points, 25 votes)

http://www.thehumangenomeproject.com/missy/rain.jpg

"Supa Dupa Fly remains her shining, most coherent, razzle-dazzling moment."

- Vic

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, "Mama Said Knock You Out" must be one of the best straight pop/rock/rap songs ever, I love it so much. That I only rated it #14 says more about how lame and soulless and prog-damaged I am than about the song itself. It's such an amazing performance; he jumps at you and doesn't let go of your collar for the rest of the song, spitting out the simplest rhymes with such aggro poise that they become oratory. In case anyone thought jocks couldn't be poets.

xpost "The Rain" rules too. I love that Ann Peebles song too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I suppose I should be happy that "Troy," "The Rain" and LL beat Jeff Buckley.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

#61

HAPPY MONDAYS - "Kinky Afro" (329 points, 22 votes)

http://home.dialix.com/~u3336/factory/images/302_7b.jpg

"I remember Jess nominated this song for Best Opening Line ('son i'm thirty, i only went with your mother cos she's dirty'). Quite OTM."

-- Aaron A.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

My #2 ends up 64, my #1 at 83.

But seriously, "Halcyon" at 64???

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take it through to #51 tonight.

interesting results so far, and even moreso later on...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

A lot of my very high picks are already here.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

but what if you voted hallelujah, the rain, and troy all really high?

anyways, there weren't 64 songs in the 90s better than troy FFS

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I could send you some comments as well, Gear, if you need them.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm thrilled to see 3 St. Etienne tracks together, although I would have much prefered so see them in the '20s. Still have hopes for "He's on the phone".

daavid (daavid), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW I absolutely love the cover of "Nothing Can Stop Us"!

daavid (daavid), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

It keeps making me laugh, I'll give it that.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

good list, I'm just waiting for the surge of american indie.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, yeah, I'm waiting for the other foot to fall, when the US indie vote exerts it's dominance.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

5 of my picks have shown up so far. i wonder if there are any voters whose every pick will appear in this list.

no jungle, hardcore, or techno yet, this is either a good or bad thing.

tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

You're not counting the two Orbital songs as "techno"? (or "Ray of Light", har har)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i forget what i voted for!! troy is the only one so far i am sure i voted for although i am pretty sure about a couple others

artiste (artiste), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i just looked at my ballot and realized i didn't vote for either opp or the humpty dance, and therefore have very little right to bitch about their low placement.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Let the bitching continue! Honestly I would have liked to start this list on Monday, to get more traffic whilst people were at work and online, but I don't know how much time I'll have this week, with the new job, final tallying of the albums vote, and other shite.

anyway, on to 60-51...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I was about to bump this, but thinking about how to do it so it didn't look like that was what I was doing...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm pretty shocked at t.r.o.y.'s low showing

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 November 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I ranked it at number 2!!!! I am also confused.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 8 November 2004 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm also puzzled - although I probably shouldn't be as I didn't vote for it.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

#60

WU-TANG CLAN - "C.R.E.A.M." (332 points, 21 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.mixtapes.ch/images/wu_cream.jpg

"Cash rules everything around me = the way things are."

- daria g

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised at some of the lower placement of some of the cuts above, while being equally surprised by the higher placement of others. Pleasantly surprised, in some cases.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

#59

BJORK - "Joga" (336 points, 18 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000024ZNT.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Christ! How can you even begin to question the album with "Joga" on it????"

-- Adam Bruneau

Favourite detail in a pop lyric?

"In 'Joga' by Bjork, when she appears to get the start of the word wrong in one verse, and goes "me-you". "

-- Matt DC

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

#58

PULP - "This Is Hardcore"(338 points, 22 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000009GDU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

" "this is hardcore" is just so *sui generis*, i can't imagine anyone else pulling anything like that off at all."

- amateur!st

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm trying to work out if I can divine from this anything about Common People's placement. I don't think I can.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

#57

TLC - "Creep" (339 points, 24 votes)

http://www.swr3.de/__pix/cover/500x435/221.jpg

"The first bar or two of Creep, in context, is like manna from heaven."
- gabbneb

"That jazzy trumpet that starts Creep off is a trumpet of joy."
-- syntaxfree

"i think "creep" is one of the 20 best r&b singles ever written."
-- strongo hulkington

"Seconding (or ... 6thing) the suggestion that "Creep" is one of the greatest r and b songs ever."
-- djdee2005

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

#56

THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - "Cherub Rock" (340 points, 20 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000HNU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"I think I might have a totally different concept of 90s AOR than is being used here. Smashing Pumpkins would be the kings of the genre as I see it, with "Cherub Rock" probably being their best single."
--sundar subramanian

"Makes me wanna fuck shit up. It brings up the violent side of me, that needs to be released once in a while, in order to be tamed. I am sometimes a difficult person to deal with, but, alas, it is just the demons trying to get out."
--JP Almeida

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, this one I voted for - but at 28, so this placement kind of makes sense to me.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

#55

UNDERWORLD - "Cowgirl" (342 points, 19 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004Y1RR.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Isn't the way Underworld use vocals totally unique, I can't think of any band or any dance act who use vocals as a rhythmic part of the song, in something like Rez/Cowgirl the "everything everything everything everything" seems to make the track so absolutely mindblowingly essential and intense and yet later in the track the vocals become like an extra drum or beat or something (an eraser of love)"
--Ronan

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't decide if my choices were all complete losers or if they'll rank way up. (someone else had to put "Lovefool" #1 surely?)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I had it at 17...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

#54

THE KLF - "Last Train To Trancentral" (343 points, 22 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://www.stars-on-7-inch.com/index_k/klf/last_train.jpg

"I think I was awestruck, or something close to it, when I first heard the KLF's "Last Train To Trancentral" on the radio - the idea at a young age that anyone in pop was this intelligent, and this gifted, and had this many ideas."
-- Robin Carmody

"'Last Train to Trancentral' is, to me, the epitome of this method: it's just hook after hook after hook, with a bonkers half-time breakdown and, at the end when it appears no more can possibly happen, a cameo dalek voice chanting 'Mu Mu'. Pop genius."
-- Ben Butler

"Oh, and "Last Train To Trancentral" being kept off Number 1 by Cher's "Shoop Shoop Song". Didn't piss me off so much back then, oddly; 10 years have clearly made me slowly more bitter."
-- Robin Carmody

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm beginning to suspect my choices were complete losers (esp. since I apparently voted for the wrong songs by the right artists.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder if the songs added later to the list will do worse than those from the start? And even if they did would it mean anything - added later because they didn't occur to people immediately because they're not as good songs?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

#53

PORTISHEAD - "Sour Times" (344 points, 25 votes)

http://www.thefirstcut.net/porsou2.jpg

"Being a stubborn male I refused to ask for help at the music stores. It took me monthes to find this sucker in the dance section months after I first heard it on the radio while I was eating my wheaties."
--zacko

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG There goes my No. 1 :(

daavid (daavid), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe this!

daavid (daavid), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, the twelve songs from #64-#53 are separated by just 22 points!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

#52

MADONNA - "Vogue" (346 points, 22 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000071TK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"'Vogue' - narcissism as spirituality, hollywoodism as religion, star-worship as self-love, and a groove so deep that brown or yellow people didn't even mind being left out of that "doesn't matter if you're black or white" line."
-- Vic

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Vogue = my number 3.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus a lot of my favorites have finished already.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

one more to finish off the first fifty...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, who had "three Madonna songs in the top 100" in the betting pool?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

#51

MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt. II" (347 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.northood.com/mobbde4.jpg

"Shook Ones Pt II is just absolutely immortal - a very strong argument for you to procure the Infamous all on its own. "I'm only 19 but my mind is older" has always struck me as one of the coldest lines in any hip-hop song, but that whole track is just perfection."
-- M Carty

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting results - I can go to bed now, it's 5:15 here (a nice Who time). I realise it's kind of sad that I stayed up for these results but I'm genuinely excited to see what happens. Thanks Gear.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

this is getting really good--maybe 10 of my choices have shown up.


although my comment about the pulp song is really dumb and meaningless.

amateur!!st, Monday, 8 November 2004 05:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Mama Said Knock You Out was my #5. I am upset that it placed where it did.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

also it's funny that people comment on madonna lyrics because i forget that they even have lyrics sometimes. "vogue" just sounds really really cool.

amateur!!st, Monday, 8 November 2004 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The list so far:


100.- PALACE MUSIC - "New Partner",
AIR - "All I Need"
99.- MADONNA - "Deeper and Deeper",
TEENAGE FANCLUB - "The Concept"
97.- WU-TANG CLAN - "Shame On A Nigga"
96.- BEASTIE BOYS - "Intergalactic"
95.- MADONNA - "Ray of Light"
94.- CORNERSHOP - "Brimful of Asha"
92.- BJORK - "Human Behaviour",
ORBITAL - "Belfast"
91.- ISOLEE - "Beau Mot Plage"
90.- ARAB STRAP - "The First Big Weekend"
89.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Hypnotize"
88.- THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "The Luckiest Guy On the Lower East Side"
87.- PAVEMENT - "Shady Lane"
86.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Like A Motorway"
85.- SLOWDIVE - "Alison"
83.- LAMB - "Gorecki",
APHEX TWIN - "Girl/Boy Song"
81.- BLUR - "Song 2",
DIGITAL UNDERGROUND - "Humpty Dance"
79.- DE LA SOUL - "A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays",
MASSIVE ATTACK - "Angel"
78.- THE PIXIES - "Alec Eiffel"
77.- EMINEM - "My Name Is"
76.- DESTINY'S CHILD - "Say My Name"
75.- NAUGHTY BY NATURE - "O.P.P."
74.- BASEMENT JAXX - "Rendez-Vu"
73.- OASIS - "Live Forever"
72.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "When You Sleep"
71.- THE CURE - "Pictures of You"
70.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. featuring PUFF DADDY and MASE - "Mo Money, Mo Problems"
69.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Avenue"
68.- SAINT ETIENNE - "You're In A Bad Way"
67.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Nothing Can Stop Us"
66.- JEFF BUCKLEY - "Hallelujah"
65.- PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"
64.- ORBITAL - "Halcyon"
63.- LL COOL J - "Mama Said Knock You Out"
62.- MISSY ELLIOTT - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
61.- HAPPY MONDAYS - "Kinky Afro"
60.- WU-TANG CLAN - "C.R.E.A.M."
59.- BJORK - "Joga"
58.- PULP - "This Is Hardcore"
57.- TLC - "Creep"
56.- THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - "Cherub Rock"
55.- UNDERWORLD - "Cowgirl"
54.- THE KLF - "Last Train To Trancentral"
53.- PORTISHEAD - "Sour Times"
52.- MADONNA - "Vogue"
51.- MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt. II"

daavid (daavid), Monday, 8 November 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

My choices so far in the poll: Shame On A Nigga, Angel, My Name Is, Say My Name, Rendez-Vu, Creep, Cowgirl, Last Train To Trancentral. That's 8, and the highest in my list was Cowgirl at #8. 11 of my top 12 haven't shown up yet, and I'm optimistic almost all of them will be somewhere in the top 50.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 8 November 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still trying to figure out how "Cherub Rock" made it so high. What a random choice. Cool that "Shook Ones" and LTtT made it so high, though.

So I guess this means that no rave or jungle made it on the list. That's too bad.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 8 November 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i knew the 9 million St Etienne nominations would come back to haunt the outcome.

i'm sure SOME rave/jungle will make it, but probably not what i voted for.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

2 of my top 10 have come up so far - 6 overall. I'm not that confident that my votes will show up...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

None of my top ten have come up so far, but I'm reasonably confident most of them will make it. Renegade Snares for token d'n'b track in the top 20, anyone?

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

haha it was definitely the token d'n'b on my ballot

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Err, OK - 'This Is Hardcore' at No.58. Some Smashing Pumpkins track two places above it. This list, while not generally bad as such, seems to mean much less to me than the 2000-2004 one. It bears almost no relation to my 1990s, but it was a weird time for me, musically. I hardly listened to any American music, for a start. Or Britpop, at least not by choice. I don't know what I did listen to, except the Beatles, some early 90s dance music, Pulp and Belle & Sebastian. So I'm possibly a bad judge.

But anyway - 'This Is Hardcore' at #58? You fucking idiots.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i didn't vote for 'renegade snares'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Which continuum tracks did you vote for?

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Makes me wanna fuck shit up. It brings up the violent side of me, that needs to be released once in a while, in order to be tamed. I am sometimes a difficult person to deal with, but, alas, it is just the demons trying to get out."
--JP Almeida

Is this definitely in praise of 'Cherub Rock'.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Number of singles in bottom 51 that I actually bought as singles in the 1990s: 22. No complaints so far, then.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

40>Hardfloor - Acperience
36>De'Lacy – "Hideaway (Deep Dish mix)"
32>Tori Amos – "Professional Widow" (Armand Van Helden remix)
29>Rufige Kru - 'Terminator'
27>Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era – "Far Out"
25>The Foo Fighters - "Everlong"
24>The Prodigy - Everybody IN the Place
23>Beastie Boys – "Intergalactic"
22>Betty Boo – "Where Are You Baby?"
21>Daft Punk – "Da Funk"
20>The Future Sound of London - "Papua New Guinea"
19>The KLF - "Last Train to Trancentral"
18>Underworld - "Born Slippy NUXX"
17>Underworld - "King of Snake"
16>Underworld - Cowgirl
15>KLF and Tammy Wynette - "Justified and Ancient"
14>Altern8 - Activ8
13>Digital Underground – The Humpty Dance
12>Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
11>The Orb – Little Fluffy Clouds
10>My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
9>Basement Jaxx - "Rendez-Vu"
8>The Breeders - "Cannonball"
7>A Tribe Called Quest - "Award Tour"
6>Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
5>Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
4>De La Soul – "A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays"
3>LL Cool J - "Mama Said Knock You Out"
2>Portishead - "All Mine"
1>Souls of Mischief - '93 'Til Infinity

i'm not sure why 'Everlong' is so high!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we both voted for the Prodigy, anyway.

1 Disco Inferno - "Summer's Last Sound"
2 Disco Inferno - "The Last Dance"
3 Orbital - "Chime"
4 Destiny's Child - "Bills, Bills, Bills"
5 New Order - "Regret"
6 Omni Trio - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)"
7 Belle & Sebastian - "Stars of Track and Field"
8 My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
9 The House Crew, "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)"
10 Saint Etienne - "He's on the Phone"
11 Urban Cookie Collective - 'The Key, The Secret'
12 Boo Radleys: Lazarus
13 Aphex Twin - Girl/Boy Song
14 Magnetic Fields - "100,000 Fireflies"
15 The Future Sound of London - "Papua New Guinea"
16 Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era – “Far Out”
17 Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"
18 Madonna - "Ray of Light"
19 Pulp - "Babies"
20 The Orb – Little Fluffy Clouds
21 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre – “California Love”
22 The Prodigy - Everybody IN the Place
23 Massive Attack - "Karmacoma"
24 Missy Elliott - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
25 Orbital - "Belfast"
26 The KLF - "Last Train to Trancentral"
27 Pixies - "Alec Eiffel"
28 White Town – Your Woman
29 Blame - "2 Bad Mice Take You"
30 Avalanches - Electricity

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't quite believe I didn't vote for Acperience.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i left out Omni Trio and House Crew because i figured they were shoe-ins already.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i've re-found my votes, and as i imagined, i'm sure i'd re-order them differently today. i've got a few in that 51-100

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll own up now that I put a Sonic Youth track at number one. Do you recken that is out of the top 100? Ah well...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

my singles:

1. Freak Nasty – "Da Dip"
2. Bikini Kill - “Rebel Girl”
3. De La Soul – “A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays”
4. Madonna – “Deeper & Deeper”
5. Omni Trio - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)"
6. Pulp - "Common People"
7. Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"
8. Geto Boys - "Mind Playing Tricks on Me"
9. Britney Spears - "Baby One More Time"
10. White Town – “Your Woman”

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I fear my crucial error was voting for "Scenario" near the bottom of my list. I bet it doesn't make it. :(

I suppose New Radicals isn't about to make it either :( :( :(

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Did no one vote for Pepe Braddock's "Deep Burnt" ?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i did. 14 points.

:| (....), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprisingly low turnout (4?) for my choices so far. Will be interesting to see what happens in the upper 50.

01 The Hit Parade – Autobiography
02 Pet Shop Boys - Being Boring
03 Boo Radleys - Lazarus
04 A Tribe Called Quest- Scenario
05 Underworld - Born Slippy NUXX
06 Deee-Lite - Groove is in the Heart
07 The Orb – Little Fluffy Clouds
08 Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You
09 My Bloody Valentine - Soon
10 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre – California Love
11 Right Said Fred – I’m Too Sexy
12 The Future Sound of London - Papua New Guinea
13 Blur – No Distance Left To Run
14 2 Bad Mice - Bombscare
15 Basement Jaxx - Rendez-Vu (74)
16 Daft Punk - Around the World
17 KLF and Tammy Wynette - Justified and Ancient
18 Pulp - Babies
19 Saint Etienne – You’re In A Bad Way (68)
20 Slowdive - Alison
21 De’Lacy – Hideaway (Deep Dish mix)
22 Magnetic Fields - 100,000 Fireflies
23 Massive Attack – Angel (79)
24 Missy Elliott - The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly) (62)
25 The Cardigans – Lovefool
26 Belle & Sebastian - The Stars of Track and Field
27 Ol' Dirty Bastard - Got Your Money
28 Sneaker Pimps - Spin Spin Sugar (Armand's Dark
Garage Mix)
29 Dr. Dre – Keep Their Heads Ringin’
30 Beck - Loser

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

also, i still can't believe "Higher Than The Sun" wasn't nominated. major oversight and i feel just sick about it

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think we shouldn't be posting our respective lists on this thread yet ... if enough people do so then it will start to ruin the surprise ...

Eight of mine have appeared so far, including three of my top ten. I guessed that between 18-21 songs on my list would end up in the final 100 so things are basically on schedule.

More than ever, I'm getting the feeling that Pulp dominated this poll.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

About 8 of my choices have placed so far. Bizarre that the 3 Saint Et songs I voted for should place consecutively.

Jeff W (zebedee), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone should maybe start a separate thread for people posting their individual lists, like last time.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i deleted my copy of my ballot by accident :(

gear is there any way you can look up my ballot and tell me what i voted for???

artiste (artiste), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone should maybe start a separate thread for people posting their individual lists, like last time.
That would be good, then the people who don't want to partially spoil the surprise can avoid that thread until Friday.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
Mariah Carey - "Vision Of Love"
Ice Cube - "It Was A Good Day"
New Radicals - "You Get What You Give"
Mary J. Blige - "Real Love"
Nirvana - Drain You
The Breeders - "Cannonball"
destiny's child - say my name
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
Ol' Dirty Bastard - "Got Your Money"
White Town – “Your Woman”
Wu-Tang Clan - “C.R.E.A.M.”

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm embarrassed by my list now, particularly because I forgot to include "Ride the train"

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Omni Trio - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)"
2. Geto Boys - "Mind Playing Tricks on Me"
3. Marvelous Cain – “The Hitman”
4. Mobb Deep – Shook Ones Pt II
5. Remarc - “RIP”
6. Dead Dred – “Dread Bass”
7. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
8. Foul Play – “Open Your Mind”
9. Raekwon feat. Ghostface Killah & Nas - 'Verbal Intercourse'
10. Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"

Only one of my top ten so far, but I figure Aaliyah, Beltram and Omni Trio are shoe ins.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i kinda wish people would post their personal lists on another thread. this ones gonna be a glut as is.

seryusly, Monday, 8 November 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

And the Geto Boys, of course.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - I've just started another thread for people to put their lists on. I have saved the day.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I posted all the lists on this thread onto the other thread ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

teamwork! graci.

thank ya, Monday, 8 November 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

'this is hardcore' is not the best pulp single.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

there's still half a list to go, dude! i have a feeling more will come

patience, Monday, 8 November 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

NO MORE LISTS PLEASE!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

It is the best Pulp single, though.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

post your lists here

ilm 90s singles poll - what did you vote for?
ilm 90s singles poll - what did you vote for?

jb, Monday, 8 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember it as being a pretty disappointing single from a late follow up to their breakthrough album.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, well.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, then.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

not knowing how much time I'll have during the day, I'll drop in the 50-46 now and the next five later...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i love these lists though they really make me wonder why i love ILM so much. My taste excludes very little but does pretty much exclude poppy dance and dancey pop as well as "clever" pop.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

#50

PULP - "Do You Remember the First Time?" (350 points, 22 votes)

http://www.mackers.com/pulpworld/pulp_rememberfirsttime.jpg

comments on this 'un?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

If 'This Is Hardcore' is the eye of the storm, then 'Do You Remember The First Time?' is perhaps Pulp's eye of the duck.

"Oh Jesus it must be great, to be straight"

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

(I think I prefer 'Lipgloss', but still)

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually think this is one of their weaker singles, but I must trumpet the BRILLIANCE of these lines, some of the very best Jarvis has ever written:
You say you've never been sure,
though it makes good sense for you to be together.
Still you bought a toy that can reach the places he never goes.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the bitterness implicit in the casually tossed off "It makes good sense for you to live together" line is great, yeah. I think it's the chorus that lets it down, maybe. It never meant that much to me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

(So far the best part of this thread is the bit upthread where half the readers were saying, "We shouldn't post lists to this thread" and the other half were all "HERE'S MY TOP TEN RANKED BY ABILITY TO MELT STILTON")

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I really can't believe "C.R.E.A.M." was this low. It was my #2.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

CREAM was in my top five, I think. "TROY" was my number two. Blah.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

be grateful they're there at all, not sure mine will be

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

ditto (my top 5 at least, a good number of my picks have shown up)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"Do You Remember the First Time?" is a great single but it might not even be one of their ten best of the decade.

I guess we still have "Babies," "Disco 2000" and "Common People" at least to go before the list's end. We might only have "He's on the Phone" left from St. Etienne, at least.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Jelousy Top 50! Could we be so lucky!

danh (danh), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No, we really couldn't. I was hoping for 80s, 70s abs. tops.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's not happening.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry for the delay. I'm on someone else's computer at work (they forgot to give me one of my own!) Tonight I'll continue posting, argh

gearatworkslacking, Monday, 8 November 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"Makes me wanna fuck shit up. It brings up the violent side of me, that needs to be released once in a while, in order to be tamed. I am sometimes a difficult person to deal with, but, alas, it is just the demons trying to get out."
--JP Almeida

Is this definitely in praise of 'Cherub Rock'.

I've read this way back on the thread and I'm still laughing...

oh, and yes, Alba, it was in praise of "Cherub Rock" (though in a dysfunctional kind of way). I completely forgot I wrote this, but I stand by it.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I completely stand behind the comments quoted from me, esp. the "Pictures Of You" comment.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Woof.
Well, I've only seen SEVEN of my choices (and none lower than #71!) so I either voted with the masses or against them.
Put votes in for "Pictures of You" and "Shook Ones".
Retrospectively wish I'd voted higher for "The Rain" "Creep" "Sour Times" and ESPECIALLY "TROY" (fifteen was WAY too low).
"Halcyon" was my number three.
Corny FUXX alert: the remainder of my top two were "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Are You That Somebody?"
Bonus points to those who can guess the order of those two.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

#49

MAZZY STAR - "Fade Into You" (351 points, 26 votes)

http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/mazzy%20star%20fade%20gatefold%20promo.jpg

classic, if only for the fact that fade into you is my favorite song of all time
-- V

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

#47 (tie)

AALIYAH - "One In A Million" (356 points, 15 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00018QJ88.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The original Aaliyah "One in a Million" changed the face of American pop music. Since its release it has been on my top ten. I remember freaking all my Berkeley friends out listening to it (granted, it was about 1000 times in a row and they were used to hearing MBV blaring).
-- Spencer Chow

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm guessing that comment was about the album, rather than 'Fade Into You' itself. Maybe not though!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

#47 (tie)

WHITE TOWN - "Your Woman" (356 points, 19 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000761I.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I just wonder if Momus sat sulking in the ICA cafe the day White Town hit no.1 with 'Your Woman' ?
-- flannery culp

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

All right, that's the first song to make the main 90's AND the OMGWTFLOL list!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Hang on, "Your Woman" wasn't on the OMGWTFLOL list. Only in my mind.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The ties can form som interesting juxtapositions. Maybe someone should try a mashup of them...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

[insert righteous anger over low placement of one-in-a-million here]

Fukkit.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's more Aaliyah "One In A Million" commentary from that thread:

When the Aaliyah track came out, it seemed like US R&B, an incredibly popular yet seemingly closed (even moribund) system of production, had completely reinvented itself. The arrangement was totally unique, showcasing Timbaland's almost drum n bass approach to drum programming (although he denies having heard any dnb prior to recording this track). The eerie almost sci-fi sonics and slow bass with double time snare and hat fills directly influenced countless R&B and then hip-hop and pop releases. Aaliyah's later tracks are denser and more immediate, but "One In a Million" was quite a shot in the dark and made me reconsider R&B completely. I still think it's one of the 10 sexiest songs ever - actually it's just pure sex music of the highest order. It's also a kind of key to a clearer understanding of subsequent Timbaland productions.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

much better!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

insert righteous anger over low placement of one-in-a-million here

you're really unbelievable sometimes, Deej. Do you have any idea how unorthodoxly high a placement #48 is for a song like "One in a Million"? I'm shocked it even made it at all--I've never seen it make a 90s poll like this.

I swear, if Breaking Atoms was nominated and made #7 on the list, you'd be bitching about how it should've been top five.

I didn't vote for either "One in a Million" or "Fade Into You" (though I did vote for "Are You That Somebody?") but I'm very pleased to see both of them so high. They certainly deserve it. And "Your Woman" is still only sort of a good song.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(I know I shouldn't advertise my ignorance, but who the hell is White Town?)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(Yeah I was wondering that too.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Nevermind I just listened to the sample on Amazon. I remember this song. Blech.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

I guess it's not fair to judge based on this, but I hate that smile face he uses. It's the kind that appears on forums with "avatars" and for some reason it always has the effect of getting me mad when someone uses it to try to be concilatory. Anyway, he was even on EMI briefly. How about that?

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

#46

MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "To Here Knows When" (357 points, 19 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://imusic.artistdirect.com/showcase/rock/photos/mybloodyvalentine.gif

This one right here is the tune that SOLD me on MBV, after several years of denial.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Halfway through and not one breakbeat-hardcore/jungle/rave track (unless you want to count Orbital.) Depressing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link

#45

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "Stars of Track and Field" (365 points, 22 votes)

http://www.lazylinepainterpage.hpg.ig.com.br/imagens/waking2.jpg

comments here?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

#44

R.E.M. - "Losing My Religion" (369 points, 26 votes)

http://www.swr3.de/__pix/cover/500x435/2502.jpg

As for Losing My Religion.. it's by far their best single, and the one that will probably be remembered best fifty years from now
--may pang

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Woo, Mazzy cracked the top 50.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

haha Michael Stipe's such a poser. Wow, I regret that I hadn't heard "Gorecki" earlier.

MBV were pretty. That song is amazing.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

that REM cassingle got me clotheslined in 5th grade.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

by an overzealous Another Bad Creation fan.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I voted 'your woman' pretty high.

I think I lost my ballot, somewhere.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay MBV and R.E.M., boo B&S. I wonder if that's the last we're going to hear of them.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

#43

THE ORB - "Little Fluffy Clouds" (372 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)

ihttp://www.shima.iplus.to/img/mx/mx028732.jpg

"...what really got me, 'Little Fluffy Clouds'. You can't imagine, or maybe you can, what hearing that for the first time, under the covers in the dark with my headphones on, sounded like."
-- Alba

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

#43

THE ORB - "Little Fluffy Clouds" (372 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.shima.iplus.to/img/mx/mx028732.jpg

"...what really got me, 'Little Fluffy Clouds'. You can't imagine, or maybe you can, what hearing that for the first time, under the covers in the dark with my headphones on, sounded like."
-- Alba

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Halfway through and not one breakbeat-hardcore/jungle/rave track
But there were basically no hardcore/rave tracks nominated.
The selection of techno, rave, and house on the albums list is far stronger than that on the singles list.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"Losing My Religion" s.u.c.k.s. I type this as I'm wearing an R.E.M. shirt, so I'm no hatah or whatever the kids call 'em.

john'n'chiacago, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

#42

THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "100,000 Fireflies" (380 points, 21 votes)

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/org/phoenix/2000/2000-01-20/pics/magnetic_claudia.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

That's my 18 (B&S) and my 19 (Magnetic fields) come up. I still don't know what to make of this poll so far - I guess it might make sense when it's over.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"But there were basically no hardcore/rave tracks nominated."

Are you crazy "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)",“The Hitman”, “RIP”, “Dread Bass”, “Open Your Mind”, "Activ-8", "Lords of the Null Lines", "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)", "Bombscare", "Anasthasia" were on my list and I KNOW I cut a bunch of other ones!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link

#40 (tie)

BLUR - "Coffee and TV" (387 points, 24 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JJY6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

" "Coffee and TV" alone was better than anything off of parklife or modern life is rubbish."
--Felcher

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

what a grand claim.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you crazy "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)",“The Hitman”, “RIP”, “Dread Bass”, “Open Your Mind”, "Activ-8", "Lords of the Null Lines", "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)", "Bombscare", "Anasthasia" were on my list
OK, looking over the list again I see there were a lot more rave tracks than I remembered ... which is probably because most of my faves weren't nominated :(

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

#40 (tie)

ICE CUBE - "It Was A Good Day" (387 points, 25 votes)

http://www.hiponline.com/artist/music/i/ice_cube/ice_cube-bio_tile.jpg

Ice Cube's last great moment, maybe?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe how weak that Magnetic Fields song sounded when I listend back. They didn't become great until 69 Love Songs and the new album is better than almost anything they did before.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The top 39 better have my other 21 picks in there somewhere.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

personally, i voted for 100,000 fireflies mostly because of the superchunk cover, which exposed the passionate lyrics behind that bored magnetic fields voice. does that make any sense? it has the best first line of any magnetic fields song, and "i'm afraid of the dark without you close to me" is pure twee genius.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got 22 to come up. Poor me. (x-post)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

"OK, looking over the list again I see there were a lot more rave tracks than I remembered ... which is probably because most of my faves weren't nominated :("

Complete crazy talk.

"I can't believe how weak that Magnetic Fields song sounded when I listend back."

Even more crazy talk. Frankly Stephen Merritt should have probably quit after that song.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

you people are all nuts. NVTS.

The superchunk cover is a diservice to the original.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Comment on "100,000 Fireflies":

It is with this track that we get our first glimpse of Stephen Merritt's lyrical and musical genius. The line 'You won't be happy with me/ but give me one more chance/ you won't be happy anyway' is both desvastatingly sad and strangely funny. Pure joy!

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, except that he didn't write it.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

My problem is with the recording, not the songwriting or anything. It is a good song, but that track just sounds lost.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? He's credited on my CD as writing it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Somehow I didn't even SEE "Today Was a Good Day" on that list.
Surely would've gotten a vote from me otherwise.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you-people-are-all-nuts seconded. the superchunk "fireflies" cover is atrocious. them original is a work of staggering genius. that piercing voice. the way she phrases "i also have a dobro." that mesmerizingly repetitive cheap keyboard sound. that soaring melody. it makes me cry every time i hear it.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah, whatchoo talking about when you say he didn't write it? of course he did.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

which is probably because most of my faves weren't nominated :("

Complete crazy talk.

How do you know what my favourite rave tracks are?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Superchunk cover sucks. Merritt wrote the song. Maybe Josh is confused by Susan Anway being the vocalist? She didn't write any lyrics...

From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"How do you know what my favourite rave tracks are?"

I don't, but "Renegade Snares", "Hitman", "Dred Bass" and "Open Your Mind" should be among everyone's favorite rave tracks!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Again I am surprised at the low ranking of a huge '90s rap touchstone ("It Was a Good Day"). Was I the only person who had at least half hip-hop in his top 10?

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"...what really got me, 'Little Fluffy Clouds'. You can't imagine, or maybe you can, what hearing that for the first time, under the covers in the dark with my headphones on, sounded like."

I was just thinking about this, listening to this song today. I totally forgot to vote for it... but it definitely took the top of my head off on that first listen.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"one in a million" was my #2.

i've never seen the appeal of "your woman" so it's funny that they tied. funny for me anyway.

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I am sad to see "Little Fluffy Clouds" and "It Was a Good Day" so low.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is just affirming my belief that the 90s were about 5 times musically better than the 80s. I'm sure if there was an 80s singles thread, I'd like about a fifth as many of the songs.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you're really unbelievable sometimes, Deej. Do you have any idea how unorthodoxly high a placement #48 is for a song like "One in a Million"? I'm shocked it even made it at all--I've never seen it make a 90s poll like this.

Um...considering I think it is easily one of the best songs of the 90s - I certainly enjoy it more than fucking REM - yes, I am filled w/ righteous anger, even though I thought the "insert..." part of the post would make it clear I was hardly SHOCKED by this low ranking.

I swear, if Breaking Atoms was nominated and made #7 on the list, you'd be bitching about how it should've been top five.

I'd be very pleased if it made top ten. I don't have unreasonable expections - "One in a Million" is simply a great song and I think its reasonable that on ILM I should expect it to place above #47.

And in case people didn't get it the first time, seriously - fuck REM.

:)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

aw c'mon REM are great, but i never would have voted for fucking "losing my religion"

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link

what is one in a million doing all the fucking way up there???

m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 08:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Um...considering I think it is easily one of the best songs of the 90s - I certainly enjoy it more than fucking REM - yes, I am filled w/ righteous anger, even though I thought the "insert..." part of the post would make it clear I was hardly SHOCKED by this low ranking.

Point is you've got to be reasonable. Even though I think it should be top ten, I'd be positively thrilled to see "Black Metallic" at this point because chances are it didn't make it at all. Lists are never going to look exactly like yours and it's very cool that Aaliyah made it all (and very well might make it again).

Also, cool about Cube (I think #40 is very reasonable) and "Losing My Religion" is by some margin R.E.M.'s finest moment.

Andrew Unterberger (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

#39

THE KLF (FEATURING TAMMY WYNETTE) - "Justified and Ancient" (392 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://hitparade.ch/cdimages/klf-justified_ancient_s.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Lurve it!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

that video is the very definition of CAMP

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the first CD I ever bought.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Tuomas' post was "Leave it!" - I thought he was pre-empting attacks on J&A.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

#38

PULP - "Babies" (394 points, 23 votes)

http://www.mackers.com/pulpworld/pulp_babies.jpg

"I always saw it as being totally sincere - he never got past the platonic stage w/ her, and she went off w/ someone else (even tho they both really wanted each other); him having sex with her sister ended any possibilities of this ever changing. I dunno, for me the last line works a lot better as a statement on the irony of the whole chain of events than as him trying to talk himself out of a problematic situation, the idea that neither of them got what they really wanted adds a bit of poignancy to the song, plus it's very in tune with the title ("babies" as a signifier of a lack of maturity, they were all too young to deal with things like they should have.) He sounds very bitter and regretful, and the "it happened years ago" line suggests that he's only thinking back on her, or maybe talking to her after a long time has passed (tho of course they could have been an item during all that time too, so the other interpretation is credible here, too, but I still prefer mine)"
-- Daniel_Rf

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought the KLF would be higher

Justified And Ancient really has everything - 3-4 minutes, 3-400 great bits. Wynette is so delightful on it esp. her pronunciation of 'Mu Mu Land', the choir is so soothing, the rap so sublime and succinct yet satisfyingly nonsensical, that siren/cowbell thing in the background, the 808 usage, the funky geetaw - all combined with the rich KLF imagery (video and TOTP performance just brilliant), there are other perfect pop songs/moments/concepts but not sure any can TOP this

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

yay! "Babies"!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

ODB needs to steal the chorus!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

the 90s really were a great time for music, yeah?

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

all decades are

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

#37

THE PET SHOP BOYS - "Can You Forgive Her?" (397 points, 23 votes)

http://djbrecord.free.fr/petshopboys002.jpg

" "Can You Forgive Her?" is the best thing they ever did. Just huge and bitter and wonderful. As you say, not what you expect in the top 10."
-- Jim Eaton-Terry

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(xxx-post)Not that you'd necessarily know it from looking at this list.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

#36

OMNI TRIO - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)" (399 points, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.marshyboy.co.uk/full/ashadow01cd.JPG

" "Renegade Snares"? It's fucking BLINDING..."
-- Dan Perry

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahaha well it's only downhill from here.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

YES!!!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

'Renegade Snares' stands out because, more than SUAD's frenetic 'Green Man' or other rave tracks that evoke chaps in wigs and breeches buzzing their tits off by integrating some influence of classical music and the DYS-factor that ensues (we approach and compose these tracks like symphonies), it FEELS slower - because of how often the beat is cut (and how stilted it is anyway), more reserved than the rollercoaster sensations that hardcore is known for. not to say it doesn't rise and fall like it should, but you can tell Haigh's thinking about the persistent beauty of Hertfordshire fields long after the 4am rush has ebbed and the ravers exited said fields in search of confectionary and kids TV.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(for the 4am rush factor multiplied maybe check out the recent High Contrast remix)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I'm shocked (but pleased) to see this in the top 40.
Bring on Altern-8 and Acen!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

did none of you bastards vote for 'Terminator'?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

No way Acen is making the top 40 (not with Part III anyway.) I figure "Energy Flash" will probably be the only other rave track to make it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Steve it was right on the edge of making it, but I like "Lord of the Null Lines" and "T99" better so. . .

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't, but I was in a bloody weird mood when compiling my lists.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe I was the only one who gave a first place vote to "Renegade Snares" though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

well i prefer 'Dub War' and 'Far Out' personally - what is it that makes 'Renegade Snares' more popular really (assuming it is)? should i blame Mr Reynolds?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i really expected "Bombscare" to be the one and only "rave" track this high up. but maybe that's the US/UK divide going on too

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh sorry guys, I should have voted.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

and now that I think about it, where's "Sweet Harmony"?

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"euphoria (nino's dream)" could still get in, right? maybe? hmm, this is probably just wishful thinking.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

No way Acen is making the top 40 (not with Part III anyway.) I figure "Energy Flash" will probably be the only other rave track to make it.
Yeah, I was joking there ... but I think "Energy Flash" does have a shot.
I knew Altern-8 wouldn't be top 40 but I am a bit surprised that they couldn't crack the top 100.

I didn't vote for any rave tracks because, like I mentioned upthread, none of my faves were nominated, there was nothing I felt like throwing votes at*, and I felt there were a load of super-awesome non-rave tracks (I had a shortlist of about 80 songs when I started making my list).

*in comparison, on the albums list I threw loads of votes at techno and house albums (about half of my 30), I felt I could stand behind a lot more techno albums than singles.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Alex in SF is right, "Energy Flash" will be the only rave track left to come.

(x-post)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

That's four of my choices in a row! Since they were all in my top 30, this means they are all too low here.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

very strange given how these genres are supposed to NOT be album-based/stronger on track by track basis

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean they ARE thought by many to be stronger on an individual track/single basis

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

But the problem is there are like a million great rave tracks and everyone's got a favorite whereas there are barely a dozen rave albums (and maybe half of them are great) and everyone agrees which ones they are.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's the main point, the clearer consensus.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.
We need a separate poll for just early 90's rave! :)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Only 6 of my 30 have appeared so far and none higher than my #11...

I thought I was more ILM-mainstream than that...

course, I'm still betting that 8 of my top 10 will be top 15... and probably 5 or so others will still chart ...

that'd put me where I thought I was ...

(EMAIL ME DIRECTLY (or start a separate thread) FOR THIS QUESTION)

I'm willing to do the next poll, but I'd rarely jump the smiths, ahem, I mean the 80s for now and go to the 70s... thoughts?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

An ILM 80s poll will be really dull, I fear. 70s might be more interesting, yes.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

80s poll would be no worse than this one

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I couldn't vote in either. All I own from the eighties is electro and old school rap, and from the seventies just jazz.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

you don't have to own it to vote it

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve OTM. I fail to comprehend why anyone would think any era's poll would be exciting.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

At this point, this poll seems significantly less sucky than the 2000-2004 one.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

as if!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I'm not so sure about that either. Fuck three St Etienne songs in a row and god knows how many Pulp and Belle & Gofuckyourself songs doesn't speak much for it's quality to me.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(i.e. some of the stuff I nominated has actually shown up)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I just think the 70s poll might be more unlike the typical NME/Q ones than an 80s one would be. People still aren't sure what to value from the 70s. They will change their mind about the 80s too, in time, but I don't think we're there yet.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

You are wrong about Belle & Gofuckyourself, Alex.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

its

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the further back we go the more the corny indie fuxx will cling to the canon. k-ugh.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Wrong in the sense that they deserve to be here or wrong in the sense that there seems to be only one song by them?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

well the 90s poll has an advantage over the 00-04 one in that it's longer established in our minds and time is a big factor - there's also a lot more material to consider (altho with 00s p2pmania maybe that's not really the case)

the 80s poll would hopefully have 'voodoo ray' and 'straight outta compton' in it as well as 'there is a light never goes out' and 'come on eileen'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I don't think that's the case with the 70s, blount. Unless disco and stuff is now properly part of the canon. There weren't enough years of indie for it to dominate, and I don't think it would just be full of Neil Young and Nick Drake either.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost) Also "I Wanna Be A Cowboy", "Let's Go All The Way" and "Right On Track".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i realise all four of those tracks are 'canon' anyway but surely a 70s poll would be even more canonical

xxpost

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

And of course "The Final Countdown".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I the first to remark that this thread is titled 'SINGLES POLL' when it's not just singles?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

well the 90s poll has an advantage over the 00-04 one in that it's longer established in our minds and time is a big factor - this is a huge disadvantage for the 90s poll and will only get worse for earlier decades

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I've looking forward to the '50s one, personally. I can vote for lots of Louis Prima.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

A 50s one would also be great, yes. It's not a linear regression.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I the first to remark that this thread is titled 'SINGLES POLL' when it's not just singles?

it's meant to be ILX SING LES POLL RESULTS - Gear was being joyous and slightly French


okay, that's the worst thing i've ever said

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Can we have a poll to establish what the worst thing you've ever said is? Or is the canon already too ingrained?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

We'll have to break it down by decade -- I volunteer to organize the "Dumb Things said by Steve in the 80's" poll.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

it's something along the lines of asking why my mother doesn't have a penis i think

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry to spoil the surprise! (no 'that's what she said' comments next please, oh go on then...)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem's mom + tranny-seeking babes + madcap misunderstandings = SEXY RESULTS

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

worst poll ever

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish people would get over the anti-canon madness. Over time things get sifted through. Natural way of culture. Etc. And "more interesting" choices aren't necessarily better.

RS, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

is anybody going to make a CD-R of the 100, like Dr. Bill's for the OMGWTF list? I think it'd be a great listen. I think our canon beats most.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

No, but they are "more interesting".

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

#35

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Juicy" (401 points, 22 votes)

http://allabout.co.jp/entertainment/soulrb/closeup/CU20020917D/juicy.JPG

"I find "Juicy" by the Notorious BIG to be very sad. Talking about his shitty life growing up & how great he has it now, there's still a strong undercurrent of meloncholy to it (probably coming from the instrumental track), that the riches don't compensate for the pain. The fact that he was dead like three years later makes it worse."
--Mark

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Woo hoo! Two in a row.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

#34

NEW RADICALS - "You Get What You Give" (414 points, 26 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000INL7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"I love the new radicals cus they are fun and groovy.
Some people feel offended by those qualities in music. I have no idea why."
-- supercub

"Incidently, he did a song for Hanson on their new album! Apparently he no longer hates them."
-- djdee2005

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well that's the end of that streak.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I know that song, hmmm.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Blah Alex I'm w/ you when you diss Belle and Sebastien or whatever corny rock touchstones but you CANNOT TOUCH GREGG ALEXANDER.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Although it is really weird how high this song was ranked.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

timing

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

'Super Nintendo Sega Genesis, when i wuz broke man i couldn't picture this'

is either the best or worst line in rap history

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i do like that track tho, mainly for the girly chorus

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

#33

THE PET SHOP BOYS - "Being Boring" (427 points, 22 votes)

http://petshopboysinparis.free.fr/boring.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's a better image for MBV - "To Here Knows When"

http://www.irishmusiccentral.com/mbv/mbv_tremolo.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)
"So Hard" is way better.
*flees*

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

“Being Boring” – The mildly smug chorus sentiment stains an otherwise entirely successful shift into ballad territory. You can see the seeds of their downfall – they never wrote a ballad as great again and the production touches are just starting to become clumsy (picking out the melody in the intro, icky ‘stardust’ keyboard trills) but all is redeemed by the payoff which – even if you can see it coming – turns the single into the most bittersweet EVER MADE! - Tom Ewing

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

just back to 'Juicy' for a sec: two other lines really stand out for me, 'birthdays were the worst days, now we sip champagne when we thirstay' and just the 'stereotype of a black make misunderstood, and it's still all good'. i liked it when Biggie was annoying on purpose (the former), the latter - harder to say why

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

(xxxpost) stevem, its the best.

there are so many classic lines in "juicy"

'birthdays were the worst days, now we sip champagne when we thir-stay"

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

haha xpost

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

(I never saw it coming)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

woah

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom E on 'Can You Forgive Her' is better:

“Can You Forgive Her?” – A quick reminder, then: the song is about a gay man, closeted even to himself, whose female lover has guessed the truth about him. The song’s invisible narrator is dragging him back through his past, forcing him to confront his feelings – and his loathing for her and himself – for the first time. Now I know it is incredibly cheesy to talk about ‘adult subjects’ getting into the Top 10 but unlike shitty ooh-its-about-heroin songs like “Perfect Day” this actually is groundbreaking, adult, and brilliantly done: a conflicted psychodrama on a par with the greatest soul music. And the music is magnificent. Lyrical intelligence isn’t a prerequisite for great pop, duh, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it when it turns up, and nothing like this turned up in the charts again until “Ms Jackson”.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Juicy only at 35? Behind the New fucking Radicals? I don't think I'm going to understand the top 10 at all.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

what's the over/under on pulp songs in the top ten? cuz i'll take the over (easy)

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i can only really see two pulp songs in the top ten... but i would have guessed that fucking juicy was going to be in the top 20, so i have no clue

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"Something Changed" won't make the top 10 (will it make the chart at all?). I think "Disco 2000" will just miss at ~#12 or #13.

"Common People" will be #1, of course.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the Pet Shop Boys/Pulp/St Etienne contingent has skewed this poll dramatically.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

... for the better.

Actually, it depends on what you mean by "skewed" because they're placing a lot of songs but they're placing lower because of split voting.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

#32

PULP - "Disco 2000" (440 points, 24 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://coverart.last.fm/300x300/4447.jpg

"when the '99-'00, changeover happened I put on Prince "1999" and then followed up with "Disco 2000" for a large party of friends in CA and, while none of them knew it, due to it's being so yearny and pounding and DISCO people were on the verge of tears. it rulez."
-- Spencer Chow

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I THINK THEY GOT YA NUMBER!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i am sad. disco 2000 really should be higher.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

#30 (tie)

THE FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON - "Papua New Guinea" (441 points, 25 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001D7Q.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

" "Papua New Guinea" stands up as a gorgeous pop record, whether it would work on a dancefloor (or in a chill out room) these days I neither know nor care."
-- Tico Tico

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

am I the only person who doesn't have an opinion as to what a group poll should be?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Is the greatness of "Common People" something you need to be English to understand? I'm serious - I like it and its album OK but I wonder if maybe the scenario attacked in the song is something that speaks to a particular English experience. To me, it's a nice catchy song but I don't really relate to the statement or anything.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm American, think most britpop is crap but put "Common People" in my top 5. Class war, man. "Born To Run" with a point.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

People slum in america too!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

xp Born to Run doesn't have a "point"?!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"common people" seems like a pretty universal statement to me.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Disco 2000" will just miss at ~#12 or #13.
Whoa, it's like the karma gods had it in for me ... EXCEPT OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T BECAUSE 'PAPUA NEW GUINEA' IS #30!!

How cool is that?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

my list is batting 12/30 so far, with several spots left to go.

though i'm 100% positive that my #1 (Hit Parade w/ Cath Carroll - "Autobiography") won't place. And I'm having strong doubts about Right Said Fred, 2 Bad Mice and Blur's "No Distance"

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally, I think Pulp wholly deserves all their appearances on the singles list (except maybe "This Is Hardcore," which strikes as a bit too silly sometimes). ALBUM list on the other hand...

OK "Born To Run" minus the bad poetry. "Common People" has grandeur without being grandiose.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I will defend "Born to Run"'s quoteunquote 'bad poetry' to the death.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i think that common people should resonate with a certain community in any western type democracy because we all have similar groups of people that are the working class who may feel the way 'common people' feels.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

born to run will be at number one on my 70's poll list when we get around to it. maybe i just like that kind of song or maybe i "feel" that kind of song.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

8/30 so far...I voted for Right Said Fred at no. 5, rentboy, though as I said I would have preferred Deeply, Dippy.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

#30 (tie)

BRITNEY SPEARS - "Baby One More Time" (441 points, 27 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JCWV.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"'Baby One More Time' is one of the very best pop tunes of the 1990ies. the impeccably pre-horny max martin production, the hookline, britney's longing vibrato voice, everything is perfect here. this song shits on everything she's made since..."
-- Jay Kid

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"This is Hardcore" ... silly? Pornography = apocolypse, man! It doesn't get less silly than that.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, that's dishearteningly low...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

sign o the times

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

born to run will be at number one on my 70's poll list when we get around to it.

the fgth remake would certainly show up in my 80s list - i MUCHLY prefer it to the original

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The 30's are full of twists and surprises ... IIRC, the 30's in the 00's featured more of the same.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

... in the 00's poll ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

What a bizarre tie.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe i shouldnt complain, i have 13/30 in and i would be absolutely surprised if the rest of my top ten doesnt get in.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm, i actually wrote a comment for the New Radicals, wonder if my votes even got tabbed then.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

also, i am sure that i like the thirties better than i will like the top 10

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I have 5/30 and my hopes of anything other than Aaliyah/Beltram/Geto Boys making it are slim to none.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

arghh, trust, peopl

your votes got tabbed, I'm at work and don't have much time to post/search for results.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i had "common people" on my singles ballot too, it's a GREAT song, and pulp were a GREAT band, but their frequency on this list is more about how for alot of brits and anglophiles 'the 90s = britpop' and pulp are the one act you don't have to be embarrassed about liking, do this poll in 97 and "country house" and be here now both rank (but "common people" is still #1)(even at the time everyone knew pulp were far and away the best).

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I have 7/30, which is about 5 more than I expected at this point.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

search for comments, that is. didn't get many, it's easier to search through ILX than my yahoo inbox

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought their frequency was becuz Pulp singles are a hell of a lot better than Oasis and Blur singles

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

'Papua New Guinea' seemed to have an incredible reverence about it long before the myriad of remixed and reinterpreted chapters and appendices (the Massey and Weatherall mixes from the original Jumpin' & Pumpin' single release are pretty wondrous, but then everything from that edition (inc. the 'Journey To Pyramid' and 'Short Dub' versions) is really). It's haunting Dead Can Dance echo is an illuminated, magnified dagger that cuts cold straight to the bone, while the breaks tumble and grind, unrepentant despite the extraordinary sensation of sorrow that engulfs the track (the flatline blip, the falsetto soul voice, a bassline that starts low and just takes one solitary step even lower) - extraordinary in how the sadness bursts into an unstoppable euphoria every time.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Was "This Is A Low" a single?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

No.
"Parklife" (the single) was the only song off the album of the same name to be nominated.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

re: PapuaNewGuinea - nice one stevem... i'll forever remember the first time i FELT that b-line in my chest. the deejay looped it on the fly and just made it keep going "boomp boomp ba boomp boomp" until the place was literally in a frenzy

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

well yeah miccio, my point exactly. for some of us though there was music in the nineties other than pulp, blur, and oasis. pulp singles are the 'gay marriage' of the 90s ilx singles poll.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

re: This Is A Low

one of the three tracks I noted as being fretfully absent

"Missing:
Primal Scream - Higher Than The Sun
Blur - This is a low
Opus III - It's A Fine Day"

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Opus III - It's A Fine Day"
We had "Halcyon" instead :)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Haw!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: "It's A Fine Day" vs "I Talk To The Wind"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

for some of us though there was music in the nineties other than pulp, blur, and oasis.

you don't have to tell me (or the poll)!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't heard 'i talk to the wind' since it came out

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i had "common people" on my singles ballot too, it's a GREAT song, and pulp were a GREAT band, but their frequency on this list is more about how for alot of brits and anglophiles 'the 90s = britpop' and pulp are the one act you don't have to be embarrassed about liking, do this poll in 97 and "country house" and be here now both rank (but "common people" is still #1)(even at the time everyone knew pulp were far and away the best).

I struggled to formulate a question that might have clarified what point you are making here, but gave up!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

actually aside from "Fine Day" for me it was always the sorely overlooked, non-single track "Up!" that stood out

still to this day one of my favorite bright and shimmery tracks - the name fully suits it

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember really disliking 'common people' and jarvis when i first heard/saw them. i wonder if anyone else here felt that way at first but ended up loving it a year or two later.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post, of course)

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked it, but I remember some idiot journalist on the radio saying that the song was irrelevant because Blur had got there first with 'Girls & Boys'. wtf?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I can only really enjoy it now at HUGE occasions.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I practice my finger-flips every time.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess cinniblount's points were
1) in 1997, people liked Pulp, Blur and Oasis (but Pulp were considered the best)
2) in 2004, people like Pulp

(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

PROGRESS

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

this song shits on everything she's made since...

It's not bad but I think "I'm a slave..." and "Toxic" are way better.

BTW I personally think this is the best poll EVER. I'm thrilled to finally see Saint Etienne and The Pet Shop Boys in a 90's poll.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm probably a strange anomaly in that for the longest time i'd only ever heard the motiv-8 mix. i was a big fan of pulp from the gift singles days, and bought the misshapes/sorted for e's cdm (with the motiv-8 mixes of common people on there). when i finally heard the "real" version, i was a little less enthusiastic about it. the last (3rd?) verse that motiv-8 took out kinda takes away from the song for me.

and yeah i'm superglad to see Et and the Pets getting some 90s love... they were some of my biggest loves in the 90s and have remained so to this day

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

EXIT POLL TIME: ok, just to give you an idea, of 39 ballots so far on the 'what you vote for' thread 22 had pulp and 9 had multiple pulp entires, of those 9 3 had 3 pulp and 3 had 4 or more (!!!) pulp; i'm not castigating this tendency, just noting that for people with this taste pulp was the option (i think i saw one ballot with two blur votes and i'm willing to bet there are more ballots with multi-pulp than there are for any blur or oasis combined), for people for whom the 90s = 'amerindie' or 'when hip-hop became the dominant mode of pop music' the vote is split sorta. i don't think this trend will carry over as much to the lp vote.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I might have awarded more points to Pulp than anyone else did, and it's certainly not because the '90s were all about Britpop for me - I disliked almost all of it, and there aren't any other rock/indie tracks in my top 30 at all - we could have gone to a top 100, and that wouldn't change much for me, in fact. I remember hearing Common People first in a Peel session, the year before it came out, and being immediately certain that that would be my favourite single of the next year.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, Baby One More Time does not hold up at ALL. The culturally obvious corollary, Genie in a Bottle, on the other hand, holds up very well. However, they seem to have taken drastically different paths since.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The Blur single nominations didn't appeal to me as much the Pulp nominations. Simple as that.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Pulp just had some really great, timeless yet detailed anthems. It wasn't until thumbing through the nominations that I realized how deserving they were of multi-nods (gave 'em two, would have given them more if I had to pick 40 or 50). And while I wouldn't say "Baby" doesn't hold up at all I definitely prefer "Genie" (and voted for that).

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess every track posted from now (except for possibly "Common People") is going to be bashed for ranking higher than "X" and "Y" and...

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The other artist I gave two votes for was GBV. I'm curious if amerindie got few noms, too many splits or is gonna come back with a vengeance in the top spots.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i admit that i did have 4 pulp tracks on my list (including 3 in my top 10). however, i can not possibly fit in the stereotype of brit-pop lover.

i had not heard a single pulp song until they had broken up.
i really hate blur with a passion.
oasis is meh.
i am not from the u.k.

i just think that pulp is fucking great

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I stategically slanted my ballot against brit pop :)

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

The Blur single nominations didn't appeal to me as much the Pulp nominations.
That too. The Blur noms were weak. Almost every other single they made during the 90's are better than the songs on the noms list.

I would have put "The Universal" in my top 20, easy.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling amerindie's gonna do a lot stronger on the albums it takes a little more effort to go buy all the full-lengths you ignored in your monogenre youth than just realize some MTV hit was actually pretty great.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm curious about how the amerindie vote will turn out too miccio, i remember when i voted thinking 'ok i'm only gonna vote for wowee zowee and that'll be the amerindie lp on my ballot' and then it wasn't nominated so no vote for pavement/gbv/sebadoh/archers etc., plus a free spot on my ballot (i think the gza got it). i think i did some mix of voting 'my heart' (freak nasty, which if it don't place will show just how much this place hates crunk, madonna, de la) and overstrategerising (geto boys, britney).

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

note: i did vote for what i'm pretty sure will win best single ("common people"), if only cuz fighting that tide seemed pointless, and i'm pretty sure my number one lp will win number one lp and i voted it my number one cuz it is my number one blah blah blah

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I voted for 'Coffee + TV'. It's one of only about three Blur songs I like, and I really like it. 'The Universal' is ridiculous.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Song 2, a Blur nomination, is probably their best single. The Universal is great, sure, but the way I remember it, the fewer words the better.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't "Baby One More Time" finish like 3rd in some ILM poll of the greatest records of ALL TIME in 2001 or '02?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i just picked my favorite thirty songs in order. no tide fighting. I have an open shame in my album ballot though - I had Cherry Pie on order and assumed it was at least 3/4s as good as Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich and voted accordingly. It wasn't. So if Warrant places to high there its because of me. Sorry.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I stategically slanted my ballot against brit pop :)

Haha, so did I. Not that I like Britpop generally - but I quite like Common People, and there was no way I was going to vote for that - it just didn't need my votes.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

jaymc - ilm then, ilm now

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

haha see Blount's logic re: Blur and Oasis in '97.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, it's been invaded by britpop kids on scooters.

x-post

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I agree with those who say 'Baby One More Time' hasn't aged very well, though I never really went mad for any Britney till 'I'm A Slave 4U'.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

My singles ballot contains more or less my favourites, my albums ballot is chock full of strategic votes. Not so surprising considering my singles shortlist was twice the size of the albums one.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Britney vs. Pulp: either way, broadway wins.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I agree with those who say 'Baby One More Time' hasn't aged very well, though I never really went mad for any Britney till 'I'm A Slave 4U'

you ARE me

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

if all of my album choices aren't top 30 i'll be surprised

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm proud to say I had no strategy on my votes. I picked a pile of stuff I would have voted for if there were a larger pool to choose from, then started by going "I like that more than that but less than that" until I had stuff in some sort of an order, then picked the top 30 off that.

Except I missed a lot of stuff off my initial shortlist due to over-enthusiastic pruning of the nominations. Anyway, tactics, schmactics, it's a POLL OF STUFF YOU LIKE!

I haven't got the hang of ILM, have I?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"slave" is the only britney song i really like too. i do not get the love for "baby".

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling that none of my Top 4 picks are going to show up. Tearz.

DOPESMOKER (smile), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ilm 90s album poll - what did you vote for?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Ailsa, I pretty much did the same!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

N/Stevem/Dan MINDMELD (only Dan forgot to vote)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow! I'm surprised to see that 20 tracks on my ballot have already made it, and I'm pretty sure that at least 4 more will make it to the Top 30.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

miccio is part of the mindmeld too

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Does "Papua New Guinea" count as a rave track? Even if not, it's very cool that it made it so high, though shouldn't be 60 higher than "Beflast" blah blah blah...

I'm going to lose a lot of points for this, but the more I listen to "Common People" the more it sounds to me like self-righteous, hypocritical, Albarn-esque snarkiness. It's still a fabulous song but I just don't feel it at the moment. Leaning much more towards Cocker's naive, whimsical side ("Babies," D2000) than his working class hero act recently.

Also, I was very much under the impression that "Energy Flash" was not nominated. I certainly would have voted for it if it was.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the New Radicals track is okay too fwiw

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it ("papau new guinea") counts as a rave track, but it has pretty universal appeal in my experience

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I also prefer 'Oops! I Did It Again' to 'Hit Me One More Time', though I can see it's a bit of a refinement.

'Toxic' is my favourite of all, by far, though, so I'm not sure how far this mindmeld extends.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I also like Disco 2000 much more than Common People.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

for the record, i despise britney. not for her pop-culture-ness (i like plenty of other stuff along those lines, including xtina and gwen) but because she couldn't sing worth a damn if her life was on the line

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I also like Disco 2000 much more than Common People.

Me too, though I can't really explain why. 'Common People' is like going to the opera, maybe. It's just too much to casually enjoy as the singalong anthem that everyone else seems to be able to treat it as.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

'baby one more time'

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Only six of my list (and one of my top ten) have made it so far.

Probably still to come:

Unfinished Sympathy
Groove is in the Heart
Music Sounds Better With You
Are You That Somebody?
Loser
Mind Playing Tricks on Me
Nuthin' But a G Thang

Possibly still to come:

Regulate
Regret
Super Going
Chime
Web in Front
The Last Dance

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry RJG - I had it right the first time!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

disco 2000 was my number 1 pick of the 90's and possibly my favorite song ever.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Back to the Blur/Oasis/Pulp thing, where the hell is SUEDE!

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

for the record, i despise britney. not for her pop-culture-ness (i like plenty of other stuff along those lines, including xtina and gwen) but because she couldn't sing worth a damn if her life was on the line

I like the songs where Brit's inability to sing is an asset rather than a hindrance (this is why all of the banging dance tunes where she's used as a sound-effect are great and the mid-tempo pop numbers and the ballads don't work at all).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

; )

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Definitely still to come:

Unfinished Sympathy
Groove is in the Heart
Are You That Somebody?
Regulate
Regret
Chime

Probably still to come:
Loser
Nuthin' But a G Thang
Music Sounds Better With You

Possibly still to come:
Mind Playing Tricks on Me

Not still to come:
Super Going
Web in Front
The Last Dance

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

But Britney's voice isn't even interesting as a sound.

RS, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

it is now that's she smoking

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i am almost positive that music sounds better with you will be in the top thirty.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Re Common People: It's just too much to casually enjoy as the singalong anthem that everyone else seems to be able to treat it as.

By everyone, do you mean those "common" people, Alba? (I used to have exactly the same problem with "Design for Life", then realised I didn't actually give a shit why other people liked it as it made no difference to whether I liked it or not)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Locks?:
Common People
California Love
Born Slippy
Creep
He's on the Phone
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Live Forever
Soon
Da Funk
Enjoy the Silence

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's not that at all, ailsa, if you're trying to get at some "they don't understand it" thing. If anything, my problem on that score is that the people who sing along aren't common.

It's just that it's too histrionic and big a song to listen to casually, for me, even on my own.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(if correct, when added to Alba and Dr. Bill's picks, we've got about 20 of the top 30)

(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure 'Da Funk' or 'Live Forever' will be there.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Or 'Enjoy The Silence', even, but I don't really understand Depeche Mode.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

live forever was #73

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

And why 'He's On The Phone' would be so far ahead of the other St Etienne tracks I don't know. More likely not to be there at all, I'd say. But I haven't been keeping up with the 'list your choices here' thread, so maybe I'm way off.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Creep" was up there too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I really gotta disagree with you about some of those, Alba. The placement of "Chime" is by no means certain--I'd think "Belfast" and "Halcyon" to be just as beloved, as not more so, and those placed ages ago. And the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that "Super Going" and "The Last Dance" (especially the latter) will make it--fanbase is just rabid enough.

Anyway, here's my prediction for the rest. It could be way, way, way off, this was a hard one to peg.

29. Daft Punk - "Da Funk"
28. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
27. Boredoms - "Super Going"
26. Disco Inferno - "Summer's Last Sound"
25. Radiohead - "Airbag"
24. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
23. Jay-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
22. Boo Radleys - "Lazarus"
21. Neutral Milk Hotel - "Two-Headed Boy"
20. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
19. Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"
18. Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In"
17. Bjork - "Hyperballad"
16. Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence"
15. Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"
14. Beck - "Loser"
13. Blur - "For Tomorrow"
12. Disco Inferno - "The Last Dance"
11. Breeders - "Cannonball"
10. Saint Etienne - "He's on the Phone"
9. Dr. Dre - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
8. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
7. Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
6. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
5. Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
4. Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
3. Underworld - "Born Slippy (Nuxx)"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't looked at the lists people have been posting on the other thread ... those lists might help to render my predictions moot ...

Maybe the "Enjoy the Silence" prediction is just wishful thinking on my part (my #1).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

How many "common people" in the U.S. actually have heard "Common People"? Perhaps it was just an issue of exposure, but it definitely didn't resonate over here with anyone other than many of the people who claim empathy w/ "common people." Ironic?

Anyway I'm really weirded out by the high placement of that britney song, and I have trouble imagining that SO many people really honestly think its that good of a song, and that many of its votes aren't just a reaction to rockist dismissals of britney by ppl like rentboy.

Anyway I sure don't like it, and it's no where near as good as Toxic or I'm A Slave or, yes, Genie in a Bottle.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Enjoy the Silence" can rightly be considered a lock. The Cure / DMode factor can't be ignored on polls like this, and if "Pictures of You" made it there's no reason that "Enjoy the Silence" shouldn't be.

I'm pretty sure at least one DP song will make it, whether it'll be "Da Funk" or "Around the World" is anyone's guess.

I don't see "California Love" as a lock at all. Maybe it'll be there but it's not definite.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant that it just came across like "I'm better than these people who like the tune but don't get it". Which is an OK opinion in itself in my book, I'm all for claiming superiority over people however unjustified (I do it all the time, and it is rarely justified!), but it shouldn't spoil your own opinion of the song. I don't think I'm explaining this very well, and I totally failed to get your meaning first time round. I understand now though. Sorry, I wasn't getting at you :)

(mega mega x post)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Deej and I in total agreement about "Baby One More Time," huh? Go figure.

I guess it just gets a lot of credit for being the first.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i think shimmy shimmy ya and nothing compares 2 u will make it. i am reconciling myself to the fact that come clean probably won't.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe you're right about 'Chime', Bill. I just automatically think of it as one of those classic singles, and I'm not even a huge Orbital fan. I just thought the Disco Inferno vote would be too split for them to make it this high. I've no idea what 'Super Going' is.

Back to 'Common People' - even if I can hum along to the first bit, by the time it gets to the "Like a dog lying in a corner" bit, no - I don't want to be turned inside out again like that every time.

Funnily enough, I can listen to my favourite Pulp song of all ('The Fear') as many times as I like. Maybe it's because it doesn't pretend to be all bouncy. I dunno.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I never actually heard "Common People" as being sung by a common person. They met at Art School! It's a real "takes one to know one" song.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill, I'd say Cali Love's got a very very good chance.

Incidently to be clear - I'm not questioning that some people don't love that Britney song, just that the consensus would be so widespread among people that otherwise worship at the alter of Paranoid Android seems a little suspect. (And I find it hard to believe that Britney would rank so high w/out SOME overlap between radiohead-heads and pop-heads).

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost, thanks Alex and Shmool, I messed up).

Dr. Bill's predictions look good (he did a really good job with his 00's poll predictions too), but I don't know about Neutral Milk Hotel and two Disco Inferno songss ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I was hoping to be surprised by the results. These predictions are ruining it for me!!!

billstevejim, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"lazarus" has no chance at this point - and "chime" will make it for sure! It seems like the consensus 'most popular' Orbital track.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Baby, One More Time has almost identical chord structure to Exit Music.

Which isn't to say that I like it because it sounds like Radiohead, but because I'm a sucker for certain chord progressions, no matter their source.

xpost

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

By now, I don't think 'Energy Flash' is going to make it, either.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus, who is this 'Pulp' you all speak of?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

prediction (sorry billstevejm): are you that somebody in the top 10

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(And I find it hard to believe that Britney would rank so high w/out SOME overlap between radiohead-heads and pop-heads).

I had "Paranoid Android" and "Where Are You Baby" in my top ten. Obviously I was one of the Britney voters. I don't do anti-rockism or irony in my taste in music.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Miccio - you're kind of right, but it's often where you're from, not where you're at.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

many of its votes aren't just a reaction to rockist dismissals of britney by ppl like rentboy.

whoah whoah whoah, did i just get called a "rockist"???
hahahaha so far from right. take another look at my top 10, k?thnx

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe "Regret" will appear at some point too.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

No chance on "Shimmy Shimmy Ya," I'd say--thirty higher than any Wu song? Ridiculosuly unlikely. "Nothing Compares 2 U" has a fairly high chance. And yeah, no "Come Clean".

I hope against hope I'm wrong about "Chime". It is indeed "one of those classic singles" but I think its reputation has been eclipsed by the other two since. Once again, very hopeful that I'm wronga bout that.

DI vote splitting is a good point, which I think will kill the chances of "It's a Kid's World," "Love Stepping Out" and possibly "Summer's Last Sound," but I think that "The Last Dance" has a reputation strong enough to crossover to the lists of non DI obsessives (such as myself) as well, which I don't think the others have.

"Super Going" is my favorite Boredoms song and the only Boredoms song nominated. If VCN's ridiculously high placing on the 00s poll is any indication, I think their fanbase is strong enough to put "Super Going" into the 20s, but the anonymity of the specific song to non-obsessives (as you just proved) might hurt it too much. It's a toss-up.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

no "give it to you"

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Miccio - you're kind of right, but it's often where you're from, not where you're at.

well, yeah. it's clear his dad probably couldn't "stop at all," probably just write him a nice christmas check.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/political_wrap/july-dec02/911-7.jpg

". . . But I'm not sure the American public is in fact that well acquainted with Pulp."

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

'Nothing Compares 2 U' will surely be there.

I know next to nothing about Neutral Milk Hotel, but aren't they more of an albums band? Is this 'Two-Headed Boy' far and away their best song, like 'Super Going'?

'Lazarus'? No way.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm enjoying this bold prediction game.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I just don't see Cali Love as having that untouchable reputation of, say, "Regulate" or "Nuthin' But a G Thang". But it's possible, certainly.

No way on "Lazarus," Scott? Boo Radleys love is strong here, and I thought "Lazarus" was by some margin the consensus Boos song of choice. I could be wrong, but I think it at least has a chance.

I forgot "Regret" in my prediction, stupidly enough. It'll probably make it.

I might be wrong about the two D.I. songs, MiR, but if history has taught me one thing, it's to never underestimate the vote of the corny indie fuxx. And as such, "Two-Headed Boy" is a near lock (and yes, I think it's considered to be far and away their best song, and also was the only one nominated).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

bill: I reckon that "no diggity" could still make it

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i really think that nothing compares 2 u will be in the top thirty, as well as black steel by tricky. laid by james is another possibility not yet mentioned.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd say "Got Your Money" has a very good chance to show up still.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I voted for "Got Your Money," "No Diggity" and "Enjoy The Silence" so I'm hoping they'll make it.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

There is no way "California Love" and "No Diggity" are not in the top 30.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be wrong about the two D.I. songs, MiR, but if history has taught me one thing, it's to never underestimate the vote of the corny indie fuxx.
Corny indie fuxx in 90's poll = people who vote based on "moral values" in US elections

(has this been said elsewhere on ILX in the last week?)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

The so-called "corny indie fuxx" silent majority vote usually manifests itself in sweeps for bigger names like Radiohead and Pavement, though. Not Disco Inferno.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually "Regulate" and "Nuthin But A G-thang" seem like locks as well.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

no they equal hitler

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

tracks that i voted for that haven't shown up yet, but seem to have a fairly decent possibility of doing so:

03 Boo Radleys - Lazarus
04 A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario
05 Underworld - Born Slippy NUXX
06 Deee-Lite - Groove is in the Heart
08 Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You
09 My Bloody Valentine - Soon
10 2Pac feat Dr. Dre – California Love
16 Daft Punk - Around the World
25 The Cardigans – Lovefool
27 Ol' Dirty Bastard - Got Your Money
30 Beck - Loser

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

04 A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario
?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't even heard half of Dr. Bill's predicted top 29 (wtf is Stardust?). I feel vaguely alienated from this poll.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Stardust is Daft Punk being even more pop. It's kind of annoying after a while. I'm still not entirely convinced it will make it.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

everybody feels alienated, because its a poll. There shouldn't be somebody going OMG THIS IS ME ALL OF IT. Saint Etienne never meant shit to me ("Music Sounds Better With You" is hell) but I'm not gonna cringe about it.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

It's kind of annoying after a while.

nice effect on the vocal though

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i voted it #29 or something

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Alba, is it that you don't know that track, don't think very highly of it, or what?

I know along with Digable Planets, Black Sheep and De La Soul, Tribe's "Scenario" was fairly responsible for my first "love" with 90s hiphop.
i would guess i'm not alone there, but who knows?

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

(To clarify, I've heard OF some of those songs, even if I haven't actually heard them. But I'm American and my 1990s went like this: top 40 (1990-93), alt-rock (93-96), indie-rock (96-99). So blind spots ahoy.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

anthony, I think people are more wary of conformity and hopeful that ILM will show up w/ a top 100 list that shows diversity of taste. I certainly don't want it to reflect my list (although I made mine in a hurry the night it was due and regret a lot of my choices...how did I forget "Come on Ride the train"?!?!) but I DO want it to show a more interesting take on the music of the 90s than say, Spin magazine + a bunch of anglophiles.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

as i could have expected, this list has too many british people on it

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

xxpost MINDMELD

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

too bad because we're Spin magazine and a bunch of anglophiles

(x-post)

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I was pretty sure that both Dubstar "Stars" and Portishead "All Mine" were going to make it. Now I realize it's not gonna happen. Why is "All Mine" not that popular?

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think "Scenario" is well-known ... but I certainly expect "Low End Theory" to make the albums list.
(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Rentboy - I'm very ignorant of 90s hiphop, but know of most of the other tracks mentioned as probably still to come. Not that one, though, so in my usefully clueless position, I was suggesting that there's no way it will make it.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(Miccio, "alienated" is a strong word, obv. It's more that it just makes me feel out of the loop -- and in a way that the 2000s polls didn't. But that's to be expected, because as my previous post suggests, my tastes this decade are a lot more catholic than they ever were in the 90s. Actually, in a way, it's kind of exciting, because now I look forward to hearing these songs I don't know!)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

CHI TOWN REPRAZENT
xspost

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought people would be patting themselves on the back rather than complaining that they have more diverse tastes than the norm. Personally I'm happy as long as the list isn't filled with crap, whether or not it matches my own. And these songs have been consistently good.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

People are complaining that there's not ENOUGH diversity.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck this, I'm just going to get 29-21 out of the way.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that "Music Sounds Better With You" is like a 99/100 lock. I can't think of a more ILM friendly song than that one.

Good point about "No Diggity," Scott--that's definitely possible, though like Cali Love, I'm not certain it's a lock. "Got Your Money," like "Shimmy Shimmy Ya," has virtually no chance.

I didn't say (or mean to imply) that D.I. will get the CIF vote--just Neutral Milk Hotel. But they'll get it in spades.

"Black Steel" and "Laid" are very outside possibilities. "Laid" has virtually no chance, "Black Steel" I suppose could happen but is very unlikely.

"Lovefool" could actually be another sleeper.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. DJD, that's why I said I'm surprised you don't just pat yourself on the back. I was way more alienated by the 00s list, because Radiohead isn't god.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is "All Mine" not that popular?
Because popularity-wise, "Dummy" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Portishead"
(saying nothing about the relative quality of the two albums)

The corny indie fuc contingent have probably never even heard "Portishead".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

All Mine is just not very good. Neither is the album actually.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not an anglophile - I'm just British. I can't help it. ILM was started as a discussion board for a UK based website, so it's not surprising that even now there's a terrible imbalance in favour of us.

Is it that it's too British, or just not American enough?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Why does the 90s list seem more BRITISH, though?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost actually!)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll say that so far this is a very cool list. And it might be the first list I've ever voted for where the majority of my top ten doesn't even make the list, I'm actually sort of excited about that. My tastes are usually so canonical.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

cuz Britain's been putting out shit in the 00s.

btw, Gear, you rock for doing this. You had a lot more shit to tally than I did for the OMG poll so I know this was a LOT of work. Good job!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Portishead's self-titled album is fucking great.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"All Mine" is a great song but nowhere near as great as "Sour Times," I think.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Than the 00-04 one, jay? I've no idea. I hadn't noticed that it did. Maybe all the American stuff is still to come (except 'Common People', obv). Radiohead are honorary Americans.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i also think that all mine is the superior portishead track, but even so, it only ranked 24 on my list.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

o come on miccio if you were at a party and this was the playlist so far you know that party would be sucking. titties don't pop out to no belle and sebastian. whereas at a freaknasty party...


jaymc - cuz the brits all pretty much agree on what was british and good, yanks have amerindie vs. hip-hop vs. anglophile (those traitors!) divides.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill, Got Your Money is produced by the Neptunes! It's danceable! It has a MUCH better chance than the other Wu cuts.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

11 of my projected top 29 are American.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Jaymc - cuz the brits all pretty much agree on what was british and good,

Why I oughta put you over my knee.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Radiohead are honorary Americans.

fuck you, take that back.

o come on miccio if you were at a party and this was the playlist so far you know that party would be sucking

yeah but ladies like the B&S at the crib. and it wasn't the WYLDEST JAMZ of the 90s.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't even know if I've heard "Got Your Money" all the way through. It has like 1/10 the reputation of "C.R.E.A.M."

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that "Music Sounds Better With You" is like a 99/100 lock. I can't think of a more ILM friendly song than that one.
Yep, and I'm anticipating the Daft Punk luv to sweep "Da Funk" into the top 30 along with it.

I'm holding out hope for "Laid" ... it's an extremely well-known song, even if it does scream "STUDENT PUB NIGHT" for most of us I think it's still a vote-getter.

(I nominated it, too :) )

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ladies what love b&s give lousy head. whereas at a freaknasty party...

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

#29

OL' DIRTY BASTARD (FEATURING KELIS) - "Got Your Money" (447 points, 27 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003CLUO.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Got Your Money is just about the best song ever, which is saying quite a lot - do you know how many songs there have been? I'll tell you, a lot."
-- Ally

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

belle & sebastian really ARE boring

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The titties have popped, Blount.

and I think people are ignoring how diverse this list has been. Poppin' a hernia everytime an indie track comes along and looking the other way when Biggie flies by.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"All Mine" is a great song but nowhere near as great as "Sour Times", I think.

I agree, but to me "Sour Times" should have been #1 or #2 and "All Mine" should have at least made the top 100.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

one of the last times I DJed at "indie night," "Got Yo Money" got the most enthusiastic reaction. Except from the guy who runs it (damn it).

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe you're siding with scarfpop over crunk.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha I suck.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometimes you've just got to say fuck your freaknasty parties.

Why do people insist on pretending they only have one criterion for what makes good music, or even a good party?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Scarfpop haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

What do you think the chances of there being two more Ol' Dirty Bastard tracks to come are?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

two? none

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(mega xpost) Actually, to answer my own question about this poll being more British: it's probably not, it just seems that way to us. These days, everyone's more or less acquainted with both British and American acts equally, because a) more ways to hear about and access music in the 21st century, and b) most of us are probably less insular in terms of what we seek out than we were 10 years ago.

(For a lot of us, the 1990s represented our teenage years. To be a British teenager in the 1990s, I gather, meant having an opinion about Pulp. To be an American teenager in the 1990s meant it just never came up, and while we may have later sought out 90s British acts, we have nothing to be nostalgic for.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Got yo money" in top 30 thrilla!
YESSSS!

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is starting to stink of testosterone and B.O. I'm off to look for my scarf.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm holding out hope for "Laid" ... it's an extremely well-known song, even if it does scream "STUDENT PUB NIGHT" for most of us I think it's still a vote-getter.

Yeah I guess it's possible but I think James' reputation hasn't exactly held up. No one talks about them anymore except in a nostalgic or "what were we thinking?" context. Great song, though--should've been top 100, though I'd say top 30 is a bit strong.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

blount see my singles list. I'm not picking scarfpop over crunk. I'm just not gonna get my panties in a knot that more people on ILX prefer scarfage. They're picking GOOD scarfpop, so fine. It's poor form to go to an indie party and complain about it being an indie party.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Bear in mind also, that not everyone here was a teenager in the 1990s at all.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

and I think people are ignoring how diverse this list has been
As was noted in the 00's poll, in terms of who makes the most noise on these threads,

people who get upset that there is ANY indie rock in the chart >>>>>>>> people who voted for indie rock

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

two? none

Damn - I nominated Brooklyn Zoo and Shimmy Shimmy Ya. Guess they're not showing up.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

#28

UNDERWORLD - "Born Slippy NUXX" (462 points, 28 votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003RJJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"I think it was really quite unconventional and not quite traditional given its style and approach. using the Underworld formula but transporting it into the mainstream i thought was bizarre. it was a success but i remember being quite amazed when 'born slippy' went in at number 2, despite the Trainspotting connection - i think Underworld were really out on their own with their tracks then because no-one else was using lyrics like that with hard techno-based dance music and drawing parallels and joining the dots in observing, describing and defining life experiences previously only talked about in rock/punk/indie/jazz/rap/whatever but now contextualised within modern music designed to dance to and so technology-reliant"
-- stevem

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is starting to stink of testosterone and B.O.

that's just ODB wandering into the lobby

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As was noted in the 00's poll, in terms of who makes the most noise on these threads,
people who get upset that there is ANY indie rock in the chart >>>>>>>> people who voted for indie rock

So true. "WTF IF RADIOHEAD OR WILCO MAKE THIS LIST IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF"

"Got Your Money" making it and "Born Slippy (Nuxx)" being #28 = all bets are off for the rest of the list.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, "Born Slippy" placing this low is arguably the biggest surprise thus far.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

dudes like lists! ask nick hornby

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone been dead on in their placement of a track?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

28? I was sure this was gonna be top 10. Not that I voted for it (I think).

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

What is "(Nuxx)"? Is that a different version of the song than the one we all know and love, or was I just not aware of this subtitle?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i just realized blount is pissed because he can't find the rockcrit board where they give good head. That dilemma will never be resolved, dude.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone been dead on in their placement of a track?

27 Ol' Dirty Bastard - Got Your Money (actual: 29)

that's as close as i've come

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Nuxx is the version that we all know and love (from "Trainspotting").

The original version on the single is 100 X better, of course.

(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

bah anthony! first kerry loses to bush, now freaknasty loses to belle and sebastian! my panties will remain twisted as long as puritan funhatas abound!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I had Born slippy at 23, which is my closest.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

#27

TRICKY - "Black Steel" (463 points, 22 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.moon-palace.de/pics/tricky/bsposter1a.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i always play the original version
love the varying breakbeats at the beginning and how it builds up into such a pounding acid rez track

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

it's about time it started reeking of testosterone - the rest is so wimpy.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

nuxx is the one everyone knows.

the original born slippy is actually quite different. no lyrics at all. different synth sounds etc. (i like the original better)

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I voted for shimmy shimmy ya fwiw.
Born Slippy has a superspecial place in my heart forever.
Especially the Long Train mix.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link


I know personally that even though I often site it as one of my favroite singles ever, I didn't vote for "Born Slippy" figuring everyone else would, picking the personally more exciting "Cowgirl" instead. Maybe there are just a lot of people similarly bored with the song at the moment.

"Black Steel" now. I look like a total fucking jackass.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

wasn't the "Long Train" mix of Dark And Long?

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

So far, that's three people who prefer the original "Born Slippy" to the NUXX version -- maybe this explains the low placing?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i still voted for NUXX, even though i prefer the "original" mix

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"Black Steel," awesome.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Nuxx is the version that we all know and love (from "Trainspotting").

The original version on the single is 100 X better, of course.

Completely, totally, eternally OTM.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i voted for nuxx as well because i am a big underworld fan and its the track that introduced me to them. i like a ton of their tracks more, including cowgirl, but nuxx is still damn good.

todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

#26

SAINT ETIENNE - "He's On the Phone" (471 pts, 23 votes, 1 first place)

http://www.saint.etienne.net/ec/Hes_On_The_Phone.3.jpg

" "He's On the Phone" was St. Etienne's big "upmarket" single. There is no reason why that couldn't have been a massive hit. Its unabashed lack of indie cred is the best thing about it. "
-- Barry Bruner

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Tiresome.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I've forgotten what I meant by "upmarket" single but I stand by the rest. The best single of the last ten years.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Boring.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Born Slippy would be much higher than that - I really thought it would be top ten.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I finally figured it out.
AlexSF doesn't like pop, does he?

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

IF YOU HATE "HE'S ON THE PHONE" THEN YOU HAVE NO SOUL AND YOU ARE A BAD DANCER.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I was surprised 'Born Slippy' was as high as it was - I thought it had been forever tainted by the uncool of Trainspotting.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I have nothing against St Etienne, but FIVE FUCKING TRACKS IS LITTLE MUCH DONTCHYA THINK!!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

wasn't the "Long Train" mix of Dark And Long?"
You're totally right of course. My mind was elsewhere.
I meant "Deep Pan Nuxx"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

#25

2PAC - "California Love" (490 points, 28 votes)

http://morning365.nefficient.co.kr/cd_img/20020404145248949.jpg

"California Love, odd it'd come up because once my parents let go of their iron-anti-rap grip that'd developed from about 88 - 94 or 95, I played that song non-stop. There are no rap songs besides California Love. I could be shot dead this instant, and if California Love was playing, I'd die happy. In fact, I'd go so far to say that there are virtually no other songs, period, besides California Love. Genius - when the bass and piano come swaggering in like John Wayne on a bender, it's simply the best moment ever and I never tire of it."
-- Ally

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't really hate 'He's On The Phone', but it's one of those times when the 'smart pop' thing gets to me and I just want to listen to some proper commercial pop instead. I prefer it when their records are more tainted by 'indie cred'. Like 'Avenue', or better for dancing, like 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart'.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(the Weatherall mix of which has just come on my iTunes - hurrah!)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I'll agree that even as much as I love St Et, "He's On The Phone" is one of my least favorite singles of theirs. which is why it didn't show up in my list

OTM re: Only Love Can Break Your Heart, Avenue (and throw in Who Do You Think You Are for good measure)

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said, I don't know much about 90s hiphop, but I did vote for 'California Love' and it seems it should be higher than #25.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

#24

DEPECHE MODE - "Enjoy the Silence" (494 points, 30 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://music.porkrind.org/Depeche%20Mode/Enjoy%20The%20Silence/cover.jpg

"'Violator' = delicious. The only reason I would lose interest after that record would be to fall into a deep funk when I realize I may never hear a song quite as perfect as "Enjoy the Silence" ever again."
--Clarke B.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post re: Weatherall mix of OLCBYH) what's that bit at the break where she says something about "the DJ licks the spliff with his lyical lips" or something like that? love that part. think i'll have to go home and put that one on just now

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I have nothing against St Etienne, but FIVE FUCKING TRACKS IS LITTLE MUCH DONTCHYA THINK!!
I agree that five tracks is a hell of a lot (and probably too many) for only one artist in a top 100, but Saint Etienne and Pulp were probably the best singles bands of the 90's, so their swamping of the list is somewhat justifiable.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that "California Love" comment from Ally the kind of stuff that led Chuck Eddy to call her one of the most promising young music critics?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha the top of this list is going to be all "The Bends", "Just", "Paranoid Android", "Sex-Type Thing", "Evenflow", "Alive", "Jeremy", "Smells Like Teen Spirit", etc

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"The DJ eases a spliff from his lyrical lips" yeah - right at the start.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr. Bill, you made me cower in fear but then I remembered that most of the songs you named weren't nominated.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"but Saint Etienne and Pulp were probably the best singles bands of the 90's"

Bullshit.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr Perry?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

#23

DAFT PUNK - "Da Funk" (495 points, 27 votes)

http://www.thefirstcut.net/dafdaf.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/benjamingouzien/images/clips/daftpunkdafunk.jpg

"The best thing is, oddly, that 'Da Funk' is one of those tracks that sounds incredible no matter what speed you play it at. Speed it up a little, and it's amazing. Slow it down, it *still* sounds great..."
-- Paul Strange

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

bullshit

i'd actually tend to agree, maybe adding in the Pet Shop Boys to that list

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

All I can think of when looking at this list unfold is jed's disdainful face.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I was wrong about everything else, but at least I was right about "Da Funk" and "Enjoy the Silence".

As for Saint Etienne, I'd say "Like a Motorway" and "Nothing Can Stop Us" were both deserving, but "He's on the Phone" really isn't so great.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Most of the best Pet Shop Boys are '80s, I think. I'd certainly have Pulp as my favourite singles band, or just band, of the '90s, but Saint Etienne would be a fair way down my list.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

'Where Ther Streets Have No Name', 'Being Boring', 'Can You Forgive Her?', 'Se A Vida E', 'Go West'. I dunno. 80s vs. 90s PSB singles is a tough one for me. Agree about Pulp and St. Etienne.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I was sure Da Funk would be top ten, especially after so many people were creaming themselves over the far inferior Digital Love in the other poll.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

#22

THE CARDIGANS - "Lovefool" (500 pts, 31 votes, 3 first place)

http://www.swr3.de/__pix/cover/500x435/3685.jpg

" "Lovefool" is perfect on so many levels."
-- nickalicious

"I never realized that Coolio was lamenting the lack of "Lovefool" in his life."
-- roxymuzak (in response to "Gangsta's Paradise" lyrics)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Even taking the vote splitting into account, I'm really surprised that "He's on the Phone" handily beat out every other Saint Etienne single. I would have put my money on "Like a Motorway" or "Avenue" finishing highest out of the bunch.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"LOVEFOOL"!!!!!!!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

So "Lovefool" made it. That's pretty cool, I guess, though I don't think it's anywhere near #22. Nice little song.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

: D

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Is 'Lovefool' the one that goes 'you will never know, cause I will never show'. I get confused. Don't understand why anyone would think they were that great, anyway.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Good to see it come up - a little too low. I had it at 17.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

LOVE ME LOVE ME
SAY THAT YOU LOVE ME
MOTHERFUCKER

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, that one. I think I must have heard the radio edit though.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait that's that SONG?!?!? WTF people?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

That's "Carnival," "Lovefool" goes "love me, love me, say that you love me, fool me, fool me, go on and fool me" has a vid with the band as a message in a bottle and was in Baz Luhrman's Romeo & Juliet.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, the high placing is kind of strange. One of those overrated underrated songs I guess.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ILMers be loving soppy indiepop!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Are 'The State I Am In' and 'The Stars Of Track & Field' both still to come? I lose any sense of wider reality when it comes to Belle & Sebastian.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Stars of Track & Field" is like 46, I think.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

We already had "The Stars of Track & Field" (#45 I think) and yes, I believe "The State I Am In" is yet to come.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

#5. "#1 Crush" - Garbage

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i am finding the list quite funny alba!

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

and baffling obvs.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

as long as mary j blige beats the cardigans all will be well

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lovefool" is a victory for all the great late 90s lounge pop.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I am baffled by the Cardigans. I remember it very clearly, I just never liked it or realised that so many did.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"Real Love" was my #14. I don't think it has a chance, but I've been totally wrong about my estimations for that so far so maybe it does. I'd love to see it.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The Cardigans???

If Everlong doesn't make it I swear to God I am gonna kill all you motherfuckers.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, I actually hate "Lovefool", but I kinda love how it took by surprise everyone waiting for a indie/rap/techno three-way tie.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

SURPRISE SLEEPER "HEY JEALOUSY" IN THE TOP 20 IT COULD HAPPEN

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I almost voted for "Real Love," but then I listened to it again for the first time in a few years and found it less thrilling than I'd remembered.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

#21

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "The State I Am In"

(520 pts, 24 votes, 2 first place)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000007WND.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"The lyric to 'The State I Am In' is quite good. The scene in the opening verse is fantastic and original. The part about the crippled child bride is puzzling and hard to phantom (as Mandee likes to say) -dependence, resentment, the self-serving aspect in helping others. It reminds me of Symphony Pastorale and The Sweet Hereafter."
-- youn

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

If Everlong doesn't make it I swear to God I am gonna kill all you motherfuckers.

OTM.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I would've been more positively surprised had "Find Me (Odyssey to Anyoona)", "Rhythm Is a Dancer", "The Key, the Secret" or "Rhythm of the Night" made the list, but I guess there's little love for Europop here.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ha - at first i thought that said 'everlast'!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

if everlong doesn't make it blame me for not voting thirty

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

all the "prediction" tracks are popping up BEFORE the top 20. Either beauty or horror awaits.

uh oh, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

if "sex-type thing" pops up i'm gonna be wishing more brits had voted

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't want to give away anything so I'll ixnay on the ollectivecay oulsay

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

as long as mary j blige beats the cardigans all will be well

-- tricky (trick...), November 9th, 2004. (later)

No.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

EVEN FLOW! EVEN FLOW!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha was "Even Flow" even nominated?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

20 to go, and I'll see if I can't get through them tomorrow.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

o man does "shine" rank? i thought i was the only ilxor to like (or actually LOVE) that song? EVEN MICCIO HATES "SHINE"

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool, thanks Gear. (x-poat)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Shine", but I don't think it was even nominated.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's amusing that American's didn't even deign to nominate our version of rock-revival schlock that dominated our airwaves in the 90s while the Brits still seem totally enamored with their version.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

OK - my top 20 guesses are:

20. Kelis - "Get Along With You"
19. Jay-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
18 Radiohead - Aibag
17. Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"
16. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
15 Magnetic Fields - "10000 Fireflies"
14 Leftfield - 'Open Up'
13. Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In"
12. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
11. Beck - "Loser"
10. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
9. Sinead O'Connor - "Nothining Compares 2U"
8. Breeders - "Cannonball"
7. Dr. Dre - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
6. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
5. Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
4. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
3. Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Montell Jordan will be somewhere in the top 20.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex in SF I kiss you

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't even know what this rock-revival schlock is! I can only think of Oasis and they've hardly figured at all.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe Dre and the Geto Boys won't be in the top 10, but a lot of stuff shocks me.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

already had 100, 000 fireflies and, now, the state I am in.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP! PUT YOUR HANDS UP! REEF REEF REEF!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh - I missed 'The State I Am In'. Swap that 'Everlong' thing for it at #13 then.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"no diggity" will be top fifteen at least

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and '100000 Freflies'. Whoops. I am a useless pundit. Err - stick in... 'Music Sounds Better With You' then.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still hoping for Everybody In The Place, but I realise this is probably futile.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

woah woah woah I assumed this "shine" that kept being mentioned was some techno track (almost rhymes with "chime"). You guys were talking about COLLECTIVE SOUL?!?!?!?!?!

WTF vote for "Cumbersome" why doncha jesus m crow wtf.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(I guess there should have been a rule that only one, maximum two tracks per band/artist to be allowed in but we have gone too far)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

WHOA HEAVEN LETYOURLITE*SHINE*DOWN

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

If "Shine" makes the top 20 I'm gonna tie y'all up, cover your mouths and nostrils with Local H and Weezer bumper stickers and throw yer asses in the drink.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

#1 WILL BE GLYCERINE AND THE COUNTRIES WILL BE UNITED

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

scratch that. "Comedown."

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Bugger - I forgot 'Chime' too. Revised list:

20. Kelis - "Get Along With You"
19. Jay-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
18 Radiohead - "Airbag"
17. Orbital - "Chime"
16. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
15. Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
14. Leftfield - 'Open Up'
13. Dr. Dre - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
12. Foo Fighters - "Everlong"
11. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
10. Beck - "Loser"
9. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
8. Sinead O'Connor - "Nothing Compares 2U"
7. Breeders - "Cannonball"
6. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
5. Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
4. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
3. Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

NO COLLECTIVE SOUL OR BUSH FANS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS THREAD.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

YET.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

BREATHE IN BREATHE OUT BREATHE IN BREATHE OUT

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

(don't worry, neither were nominated. But we can still choose to hurt their fans if they so happen to show up)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

WHY WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE TOADIES

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to admit the idea of Nirvana making the top 20 makes me giggle. It's like voting for "Hey Jude."

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

That's nothing, "Paranoid Android" in the top five is like voting for "Bridge Over Troubled Water".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"Unfinished Sympathy" is like voting for "Hotel California".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

'Common People' at #1 is like voting for 'Common People'!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe in your country

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"Common People" is like voting for "I Just Called To Say I Loved You".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Common People" is the Hitler-Esque XTC.

did anybody else vote for "Ice Ice Baby"? It didn't make the OMGWTFLOL list and I'd hate to think it doesn't get a nod in either canon.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Did chuck eddy vote?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean at least "Return Of The Mack" made that one.

(x-post)

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I had Ice Ice Baby at 10, if that gives you any cheer - most of mine aren't coming up though, so take from that what you will.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I kinda wish the top 20 was made entirely of Sebadoh tracks.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Sebadoh: The United States version of Pulp.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

hardly! The US version of Pulp was Britney Spears (big fuck-crazy showtunes)

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely Saint Etienne have twenty more tracks?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

and people wondering if it was right to treat the singer like a sex symbol (for different reasons, but still)

(x-post)

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't really like pulp.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you hate common people?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw Jarvis Cocker in the Missing that used to be on Gt Western Rd in Glasgow. I didn't talk to him though, because I don't especially like Pulp. Fascinating.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I stood Jarvis Cocker up once. I can't actually remember why.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you not especially like Pulp either?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's start a separate thread, "Real-Life Encounters With ILX Poll Finalists"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Well the guy's idea of a pick-up line is "Do you remember the first time?" and "I want to give you babies." I can see why many would shirk.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

those lines would work on indie babes and you know it

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Chesney Hawks likely to show up? I once stood next to Chesney Hawks at a urinal. I've been kicking myself ever since for not taking a peek.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

no, I don't like common people.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

those lines would work on indie babes and you know it

sigh. i know.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe "Return of the Mack" will show up in the top twenty! I'm hopeful.

I definitely regret voting for "Common People" (although it was around 25 or so if I remember correctly) but I had no idea this poll would end with a giant sick brit-pop lovefest/orgy.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Also fuck paranoid android, I like OK Computer OK but that is like my least favorite song on it, what a boring prog-dirge. I can't believe how everyone wets their pants over "ooh it has different movements" boring boring all kinds of boring.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's start a separate thread, "Real-Life Encounters With ILX Poll Finalists"

B-b-but i didn't encounter Jarvis. I stood him up! (Yes, I do like Pulp, but I had somewhere else to be and he was late. This, I should point out, was for an interview and not for a date).

I hate that people are regretting voting for things just because other people did. Common People is going to win because lots of people liked it. Deal with it.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"I definitely regret voting for "Common People" (although it was around 25 or so if I remember correctly) but I had no idea this poll would end with a giant sick brit-pop lovefest/orgy."

Oh come on people were predicting that "Common People" would be #1 from like the get go.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

This poll is balanced pretty well I think.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

had no idea this poll would end with a giant sick brit-pop lovefest/orgy.

What? We've got the top 20 still to go and the only track you could call Britpop is 'Common People'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that we know the top 20 - but what else is likely to be there?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

albums poll giveaway:

#1

MENSWEAR - "Nuisance" (2352 points, 76 votes, 15 first place votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck "Shine" it's "Smashing Young Man" love all the way

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

#1

MENSWEAR - "Nuisance" (2352 points, 76 votes, 15 first place votes)
I think you're bluffing.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

What is 'Shine', btw?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Terrible.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, i think i've got everything listed here so far and would be more than happy to do a CDR700 kinda thing to share on slsk

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh come on people were predicting that "Common People" would be #1 from like the get go.

Yeah obviously and I don't really have any problem with that I LIKE it its a great song but the whole st. etienne - pulp - pet shop boys thing has left a great distaste in my mouth.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

quick recap, mainly cos i'm beginning to assmeble the tracks into a folder...

100.- PALACE MUSIC - "New Partner",
AIR - "All I Need"
99.- MADONNA - "Deeper and Deeper",
TEENAGE FANCLUB - "The Concept"
97.- WU-TANG CLAN - "Shame On A Nigga"
96.- BEASTIE BOYS - "Intergalactic"
95.- MADONNA - "Ray of Light"
94.- CORNERSHOP - "Brimful of Asha"
92.- BJORK - "Human Behaviour",
ORBITAL - "Belfast"
91.- ISOLEE - "Beau Mot Plage"
90.- ARAB STRAP - "The First Big Weekend"
89.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Hypnotize"
88.- THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "The Luckiest Guy On the Lower East Side"
87.- PAVEMENT - "Shady Lane"
86.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Like A Motorway"
85.- SLOWDIVE - "Alison"
83.- LAMB - "Gorecki",
APHEX TWIN - "Girl/Boy Song"
81.- BLUR - "Song 2",
DIGITAL UNDERGROUND - "Humpty Dance"
79.- DE LA SOUL - "A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays",
MASSIVE ATTACK - "Angel"
78.- THE PIXIES - "Alec Eiffel"
77.- EMINEM - "My Name Is"
76.- DESTINY'S CHILD - "Say My Name"
75.- NAUGHTY BY NATURE - "O.P.P."
74.- BASEMENT JAXX - "Rendez-Vu"
73.- OASIS - "Live Forever"
72.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "When You Sleep"
71.- THE CURE - "Pictures of You"
70.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. featuring PUFF DADDY and MASE - "Mo Money, Mo Problems"
69.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Avenue"
68.- SAINT ETIENNE - "You're In A Bad Way"
67.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Nothing Can Stop Us"
66.- JEFF BUCKLEY - "Hallelujah"
65.- PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"
64.- ORBITAL - "Halcyon"
63.- LL COOL J - "Mama Said Knock You Out"
62.- MISSY ELLIOTT - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
61.- HAPPY MONDAYS - "Kinky Afro"
60.- WU-TANG CLAN - "C.R.E.A.M."
59.- BJORK - "Joga"
58.- PULP - "This Is Hardcore"
57.- TLC - "Creep"
56.- THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - "Cherub Rock"
55.- UNDERWORLD - "Cowgirl"
54.- THE KLF - "Last Train To Trancentral"
53.- PORTISHEAD - "Sour Times"
52.- MADONNA - "Vogue"
51.- MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt. II"
50.- PULP - "Do You Remember the First Time?"
49.- MAZZY STAR - "Fade Into You"
47.- AALIYAH - "One In A Million"
WHITE TOWN - "Your Woman"
46.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "To Here Knows When"
45.- BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "Stars of Track and Field"
44.- R.E.M. - "Losing My Religion"
43.- THE ORB - "Little Fluffy Clouds"
42.- THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "100,000 Fireflies"
40.- BLUR - "Coffee and TV"
ICE CUBE - "It Was A Good Day"
39.- THE KLF (FEATURING TAMMY WYNETTE) - "Justified and Ancient"
38.- PULP - "Babies"
37.- PET SHOP BOYS - "Can You Forgive Her?"
36.- OMNI TRIO - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)"
35.- THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Juicy"
34.- NEW RADICALS - "You Get What You Give"
33.- PET SHOP BOYS - "Being Boring"
32.- PULP - "Disco 2000"
30.- FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON - "Papua New Guinea"
BRITNEY SPEARS - "Baby One More Time"
29.- OL' DIRTY BASTARD (FEATURING KELIS) - "Got Your Money"
28.- UNDERWORLD - "Born Slippy NUXX"
27.- TRICKY - "Black Steel"
26.- SAINT ETIENNE - "He's On the Phone"
25.- 2PAC - "California Love"
24.- DEPECHE MODE - "Enjoy the Silence"
23.- DAFT PUNK - "Da Funk"
22.- THE CARDIGANS - "Lovefool"
21.- BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "The State I Am In"

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Those caps are hard to read.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Pet Shop Boys have really bossed this poll. I didn't realise they were what you meant by Britpop. I'm sure they'd be thrilled!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said before, the Top 20 is still to come and it doesn't look like they'll be any bleeding Britpop in it at all, except 'Common People'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

How bout "british popular music from the early 90s that didn't make it in the U.S. and that many of us think is overrepresented on this poll."

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for so many of us being British, again.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I accept no apologies.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, enough people voted for it, so how does that make it over-represented?

(xpost)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Over 1/4 of the music on this poll so far is music made by fairly crappy fey british pop/schmindie bands (I didn't even count MBV or Slowdive or various trip-hop acts.) I think it's fair to say to that thread of popular music is overrepresented on this poll, Alba.

Hey, you've been upbraiding us for the election of Bush over on ILE (which is baffling to me since you guys have Blair.) We can give you a little shit about how crappy this poll is turning out.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Correction to my post above. It = them = tracks you don't like but other people do

(xpost)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Etienne/Pulp/PSB are not crappy!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

it's amazing the sense of entitlement some people have towards a public forum.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I just don't see the point of bringing nationality into it. It's ridiculous, given the British origins of ILM. There's no such thing as an objective list. I wouldn't mind so much if people were moaning about the lack of Senegalese music in the list, but when it just seems to come down to 'there should be even more American stuff', well it's just a bit daft.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I could understand if people complained about the proportion of "britpop" in the nominations, but this is what people voted for out of a very very long list with plenty non-PSB/Pulp/Saint Etienne on it. You don't like the results, tough, it's still a representation of what people voted for.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

This is getting stupid ... there's just as much mid->late 90's American hip-hop on the list (with more to come, as opposed to the mid-90's "fey British pop/schmindie bands) and I don't hear anyone saying that hip-hop is overrepresented.

Granted, there are more hip-hop aritsts represented ... this is a different issue, however.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey just cuz it's what people voted for doesn't mean I have to like it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

The lack of Japanese noise bands is what troubles me most, save one possible exception.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't say you did, but I just don't agree it's "overrepresented" (xpost)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

And I wouldn't have a problem with the poll so much if it weren't for the fact that there are (or will be) TEN tracks by Pulp and Saint Etienne which is just silly.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Also there IS less American hip-hop on the list, MIR.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidently, just cuz yr british isn't an excuse. There is a very specific musical thread to the british bands (over)praised on here (and like I said, I even LIKE some of them...) - I'm no expert on this but how is rave and club music faring when compared to stuff like etienne pulp B&S et al? That's not a UK-American thing.

And there hasn't been a single hip-hop artist, or even hip-hop PRODUCER who's had FIVE cuts on this list, so don't give me that either.

And obviously like Alex said - "just cuz it's what people voted for doesn't mean I have to like it."

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, that's cause people nominated loads, leading to lots of St Etienne low down, instead of one or two high up. St Etienne fans be bad strategists.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Dance music has perhaps suffered more than most things from differing tastes. Jed is a big dance music fan, for instance, but didn't think much of the nominations so didn't vote for much of it.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, where the FUCK are all the Disco Inferno records???

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, edited for 20...

20. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
19. Blackstreet f/ Dr. Dre - "No Diggity"
18. Neutral Milk Hotel - "Two-Headed Boy"
17. Disco Inferno - "The Last Dance"
16. Radiohead - "Airbag" (though it'll be pretty fucking weak if this makes it, of course it probably will)
15. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
14. Blur - "For Tomorrow"
13. Jay-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
12. Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
11. Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"
10. Beck - "Loser"
9. Breeders - "Cannonball"
8. Dr. Dre - "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang"
7. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
6. Massive Attack - "Unfinished Sympathy"
5. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
4. Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
3. Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

possible:

Mark Morrison - "Return of the Mack"
Bjork - "Hyperballad"

Leftfield - "Open Up"
Joey Beltram - "Energy Flash"
Orbital - "Chime"
Sinnead O'Connor - "Nothing Compares 2 U"

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I count sixteen American hip-hop tracks, with another four or five to come, that totals one-fifth of the list. Britpop (and lumping PSB + Saint Etienne + Pulp under one label is a BIG stretch) = ~ one-quarter of the list. Not much of a difference! And if we're going to lump Saint Etienne in with Blur and Oasis, then I say we should lump Aaliyah and TLC in with hip-hop and make an "American urban music" category and then it's even.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, it seems like a bizarre thing to complain about, but there is virtually no American indie or alternative rock on this list. I guess that's better than there being too much of it, but there really should be more than there is.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess I just find all this funny, cause it's usually the proportion of (mostly US) indie-rock that puts people's backs up on polls like this. Having several Pulp and Saint Etienne tracks appear in a top 100 (not even very high, as I keep saying) is an interesting flipside complaint.

Man, where the FUCK are all the Disco Inferno records???

There were three DI tracks nominated, I think. I guess they're just not big enough to withstand that kind of vote split.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

fwiw i think the Albums list will be better and much more representative (and thus maybe duller!).

I pretty much agree with Alex in SF but i'm past getting annoyed by it.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

14. Blur - "For Tomorrow"

is this based on exit polls? because my natural inclination is to say "caucasian, please."

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

There were too many Sonic Youth tracks nominated, and none of them were 'Kool Thing' or 'Tunic'.

I think maybe a lot of people left their US indierock choices for the albums poll. We'll see.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

??? better or duller? - i can't make my mind up.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think "Windowlicker" and "For Tomorrow" are locks at all ... particularly the latter, it's hardly the most loved Blur single.

I think "Nothing Compares" and "Chime" will make it instead. Particularly "Chime" ... there are way too many Orbital fans around here for that one to be left out.(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually there were four DI tracks nominated, and they're fantastic vote-splitters but I still really think "The Last Dance" will make it.

This is definitely an interesting list. I'll hold off final judgement until the top twenty is revealed, because that could change a lot (especially if "Chime" or "Energy Flash" miraculously make the list).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

If 'For Tomorrow' makes it, I'm throwing my hat in with Alex in SF and djdee.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, why not? It was the only "classic" Blur tune nominated (from the Blur fan's Blur album, no less), the britpop heavies will rally behind it.

I agree that neither it or "Windowlicker" are locks, however. I hesitate to use the term "lock" at this point for anything except "Groove is in the Heart" and "Common People". I won't even use it for "Smells Like Teen Spirit".

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My ballot was predominately us indie. I must have been one of the few..

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i missed "Energy Flash" on the noms.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The only (projected) omission on this list that truly upsets me is "Web in Front". There's no excuse for that not being on the list, even if it was the sole representative for American Indie Rock of the 90s.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I also missed "Energy Flash" on the noms. I wonder why--was it maybe not included on an early draft of the ballot? I definitely would've voted for it, 15-20ish.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still holding out for my two track nominations - The Source feat. Candi Staton's 'You Got The Love' and The J.A.M.M.s 'It's Grim Up North'.

Ha bloody ha.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate the Viking outro to "Grim Up North" so fucking much.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the britpop heavies will rally behind it.

There are no britpop heavies! You are all alone at night.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Viking?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you mean 'Jerusalem', or the geese?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the st. etienne getting five tracks thing is the biggest shocker to me, and it DOES make the list look a bit more imbalanced than it would have had the british music been a bit more diversely covered - even different BANDS, I mean.

Geto Boys are certainly a lock, since all the h-h heads decided in advance to push it as far up as we could.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

since all the h-h heads decided in advance to push it as far up as we could.

that's pretty lame.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

not only does that revelation make it a false victory, it also points out the absurdity of taking high poll standing on a music forum as a "victory."

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

h-h heads be fighting a united front!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, I think he was kidding.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope so.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"energy flash" was my number one. i am holding out hope that it will place in the top 20. if not, then fuck you all!! (since we're getting all bitchy and complaint-rock on this thread)

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

should I disqualify the write-ins for "Sorted on E's and Wizz" and "Hug My Soul", then?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't decide what's funnier:
the fact that AlexSF is getting so indignant/upset about the poll's results or the fact that others are actually bothering to discuss it with him as if it was a logical reaction

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, you should, gear.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

There are no britpop heavies! You are all alone at night.

Really? I guess we'll see. I didn't vote for "For Tomorrow," though. Actually, though Blur is my favorite band of the decade, I didn't vote for them in either poll. The wrong songs and albums were nominated.

not only does that revelation make it a false victory, it also points out the absurdity of taking high poll standing on a music forum as a "victory."

No offense, Anthony, but if this is your attitude, what are you doing in this thread?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He's with the press corps.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

A NARC

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

If Geto Boys make the list, it'll go a little way towards alleviating the disappointment of "Hey Jealousy" not placing.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm here to find out what the favorite songs on ILX are, Dr. Bill.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I nominated both a Pulp and a Saint Etienne track and voted for healthy doses of tracks by each. I'm....sorry. How shall I repent?

Shane (Shane), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess I can't argue with that, but half the fun of these lists for me is the campaigning and strategic voting and rallying and whatnot.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Instant death.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess I can't argue with that, but half the fun of these lists for me is the campaigning and strategic voting and rallying and whatnot.

ah see, personally that stuff only diminshes what I find interesting: genuine and heretofore unknown consensus.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is there any of that at all in this list?

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

a lot of people love lots of St. Etienne songs. I had no idea and now I'm curious to check 'em out.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I mostly voted for songs I liked. Only like 1/3 of my list was from party affiliation obligations.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I dropped about 25-30 points on "Belfast" because I was hoping it would place. Everything else was love, mang.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked all the songs I voted for.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

also, gear, i'm guessing you were being a bit snarky, and maybe you know this already, but "energy flash" is canonical as it gets for 90s dance music. it's one of those songs that you heard in many dj's sets and you didn't need to be e'd off your face to enjoy it.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

my amiability would disappear the instant "Shine" appears on this list, mind you.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

that's to say I would have put Belfast at #10 normally, but I figured other choices I'd place above might do better, i.e. Dee-Lite or something.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

gah, "Sorted" is a very good non-nominated Pulp track! not a reply to your Beltram post

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

For somoene so tolerant of recent modern rock, Anthony, you're surprisingly unsympathetic to most post-grunge.

And I was being sarcastic with my 1/3 comment. I'm only sort of a horrible person.

And Gear, it looks like the 25-30 points you dropped on "Belfast" got it on the list. Bravo.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

haha! i have never heard pulp or st. etienne. xpost

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

if this poll can turn only one more person on to Saint Etienne, it has done some good, dammit

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

fex sake, I own The Sound of 2am by Beltram

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

For somoene so tolerant of recent modern rock, Anthony, you're surprisingly unsympathetic to most post-grunge.

I dunno, I like Everclear, Weezer and Local H a whole lot. I even dig some Verve Pipe and the Stone Temple Pilots Tiny Music singles. The bands who took the basic Nirvana sound and made it more lyrically coherent are cool. The draggier Pearl Jamy stuff though, blech. And Bush would be cool if Gavin Rossdale wasn't such a bad singer/lyricist.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I once really pissed someone off at a bar by insisting that the Verve's best song was "Freshman"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

they had a short fuse obv

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

plus people really overrate my fondness for recent modern rock. I'm totally listening to the rap station more often. I really only like the poppiest, most coherent, or nuttiest stuff.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess it's good to know that The Verve Pipe have such loyal fans. What did they insist was their best song?

For the record, if "The Freshmen" was on this list I might've voted for it. That song gives me chills.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't been close on any of my top choices:
1) The Cardigans – "Lovefool" - 22
3) Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You" - 49
4) Notorious BIG - "Juicy" - 35
6) Arab Strap – "The First Big Weekend" - 90
10) Portishead - "Sour Times" - 53
11) Ol' Dirty Bastard - "Got Your Money" - 29
12) 2Pac feat. Dr. Dre – "California Love" - 25

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The fact that "Mogwai Fear Satan," "Summerhead," "Christiansands," "Stars" and "Avalyn" aren't going to make the list saddens me.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

no, it was a Verve fan!

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i.e. that hour I took scrolling through this thread where I should've been reading = GO TO HELL ILM.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Leeeeeeee, at least there's "Gorecki" :)
I was 99.9% sure that "Avalyn" wouldn't make it, but I still voted for it because IT CHOKES ME UP.
I thought "Stars" had a decent shot, but it appears that people were too busy voting for Saint Etienne and the Cardigans in the Battle of Tweepop to worry about Dubstar's entries.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

After reading everyone's comments, I wonder if maybe my issue is just that everything about how "Common People" comes off and seems to be appreciated here - mostly AFAICT by a small crowd of foppish anglophile students who delight in Jarvis' refined wit and the campiness of the sound at garish clubs - seems so incongruous with the statement. Or if that's not the case, maybe I just hear its sound as so foppish that it seems to have nothing to do with whatever (admittedly limited) experience I might have of the working class, say maybe the situation of my housemates. I appreciate that a) this might just be me projecting some exoticized notion of Englishness I have on this song and that b) it must seem very different in England, which is why I was wondering to begin with. I 'get' the Smiths more though, which makes me wonder. Although, to be honest, I don't really know of anyone who thinks labourers are really hot or that "poor is cool" in the way of the woman in the song so I guess I don't relate at all to the situation in that way. I would totally relate if it was about someone who objectifies 'minorities' or particular ethnic groups in that way.

I don't get the comments about the US rock vote. Hardly any US rock was even nominated, was it? I mean, normally for any poll like this you'd have plenty of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam and Jane's and Metallica, not to mention hits like "No Rain". Was Fugazi nominated?

Do Saint Etienne sound like the Cardigans?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still holding a tiny candle of hope for "The Diamond Sea".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Everything about "Born to Run", BTW, does make sense to me. I think the lyrics are really good.

NB MIR I think it might have more to do with how perceive the relative worth of hip-hop and UK weiner-pop than with the actual mathematical proportions of their representations.

Is "Lovefool" tweepop? I thought Cub was tweepop.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

To Sundar - for "Diamond Sea" - and so many of you (including myself, who'd like to think other people appreciate the glory of Prince's "Gett Off" and Bikini Kill's "Rebel Girl"), I dedicate this number to you.

Every time that I look in the mirror
All these lines on my face getting clearer
The past is gone
It went by like dusk to dawn
Isn't that the way
Everybody's got their dues in life to pay

I know nobody knows
Where it comes and where it goes
I know it's everybody's sin
You got to lose to know how to win

Half my life's in books' written pages
Live and learn from fools and from sages
You know it's true
All the things come back to you

Sing with me sing for the years
Sing for the laughter and sing for the tears
Sing with me if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow the good Lord will take you away

Sing with me sing for my year
Sing for my laughter and sing for my tear
Sing with me if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow the good Lord will take you away

Dream on dream on dream on
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on dream on dream on
Dream until your dream comes true
Dream on dream on dream on dream on
Dream on dream on dream on yeah

Sing with me sing for my year
Sing for my laughter and sing for my tear
Sing with me if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow the good Lord will take you away

Sing with me sing for my year
Sing for my laughter and sing for my tear
Sing with me if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow the good Lord will take you away

Dream on dream on dream on
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on dream on dream on
Dream until your dream comes true
Dream on dream on dream on dream on
Dream on dream on dream on yeah

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry Anthony, I don't know why I voted for Pulp songs instead of "Rebel Girl"! (Well, actually, it's cause I own DC and don't own any BK since most of their stuff sucks. If my heart was in the right place I would have given that one some props though.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

oh I agree most BK sucks. It's only the Joan Jett-produced single that I think is outstanding.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought St. Etienne's Too Young To Die offa ebay based on their placement here. (and then I found out that a new comp was coming out soon)

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Would "Common People" make more sense to Americans if it was repackaged for that market as "Southern People"?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No. It might make some sense if it was "Black People".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

The US South seems even more foreign to me! "Ethnic People" or "Asian Women" or "Black Guys" would make sense.

xpost

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Duh, me amurikn liek 'commn poepeol', unndjerstandd

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish "Around the Way Girl" (which I voted for) had won instead of "Mama Said Knock You Out" (which I didn't vote for). I assume it won't be in the top 20.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. That's too bad. LL Cool J should have a couple of songs here. I like that one better too.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh, those cursed brits and their pulp/saint etienne/b&s/psb! *cough*

dj: I'm sure lots of Americans voted for those artists, too.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i am american and feel no shame for voting for 4 pulp tracks and 2 belle & sebastian tracks. i like scarfpop. all the americans that are pissed that british music ruled the poll... maybe british music was better in the 90's. gasp.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and, yeah, I didn't mean to sound flippant: dj "knows" me well enough to know I love all those artists - I voted for three songs each by pulp and B&S, and four by saint etienne. My top three consisted of one song from each of those artists. I guess I ruined the poll...

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Do Saint Etienne sound like the Cardigans?

If I remember correctly, St. Etienne got The Cardigans producer for their 4th album, Good Humor. And I guess in that particular album they do sound a bit like The Cardigans.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW this guy's name is Tore Johansson.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm, does this mean that this thread is going to be revived?

Saint Etienne - C/D?

youngn (ndeyoung), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

OK hold up I called out the "anglophiles" upthread too scott, don't think I didn't know what you voted for ;)

maybe british music was better in the 90's. gasp.

And that's just bullshit.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

their dance music was miles ahead of american dance music

their "alternative rock" music has held up better than american rock has.

all that america has, in my opinion, is rap and hip hop.

i am not a huge rap/hip hop person, but i did still vote for 5 tracks, one at number 2.

also, england had trip-hop

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't tell if you mean that as a point in favor of or against England (re: trip hop).

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

ye gods

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

tricky and portishead are fantastic artists, jerks :)

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"also, england had trip-hop"

But isn't Endtroducing the best trip-hop album ever made by a longshot?

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I just don't like the sound of "Common People" as much as "Disco 2000" or "Something's Changed".

2xpost Private Press pwns it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean if you want to call it trip-hop (maybe you don't).

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i call entroducing hip hop

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Private Press sort of goes beyond the trip-hop thing, though a couple of tracks might still fit that category.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't Endtroducing an "instrumental hip-hop" album? (xpost)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

My theory is people are not so much dissappointed as they are surprised that American alternative rock is largely absent (that's just my impression, although of course I could be completely wrong). I mean, this polls used to be packed with that stuff in the 90's and right now I think the whole grunge/post-grunge think is undergoing an unpopularity phase.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It's probably a pointless semantical discussion, but I always thought that Shadow's solo stuff wasn't quite "hip-hop" because it's slower and moodier and doesn't have any MCs on it

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm slightly disappointed but not enough so that I nominated anything close to US alt-rock or would have probably ranked it in my top 5.

xpost

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, this is the singles poll. Yes I would have and did.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean Endtroducing doesn't sound like, say, a DJ QBert record, for example.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd never really thought about Entroducing as anything other than hip-hop. I've honestly never given it much thought up until just now tho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Acknowledging how it was made, I thought it sounded like lite jazz.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought it sounded good when high

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

it's been awhile since I gave it a chance but my basic feeling was "nice little instrumental, ok yeah, oh now the piano is fucking up to remind us that the piano is actually a record - good for you, here's a cookie"

(ok this is a total tangent if people want to discuss this further some DJ shadow thread should probably be revived)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

We may not have the same kind of 'common people' slumming (in the US this would have to be a country song about rich people trying to be country cf. Cowboy Dubya), but parts of the song are very US-accurate. "Watch your life slide out of view/ drink and dance and screw 'cuz there's nothing else to DO" applies to pretty a lot of young Americans who didn't go away to college (and some who did), and applied to almost everyone I worked with waiting tables and bartending.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record:

I love Portishead.

"Western Eyes" > "Sour Times" > "All Mine"

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm American and "Common People" was #1 on my list. Don't see what the big deal is about the lyrics not translating well to us Yanks. (shrug) They sound just fine to me (never did understand the "chip stain's grease will come out in the bath" part, though. Because that's probably not what he really says).

On a sidenote, WHO the FUCK would EVER vote for a piece of generic American emoesque indie-rock crap like "Web in Front"!?!?

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

There are multiple threads on how endtroducing is/isn't hip-hop, the point is that in no way was Europe coming up with any better music than was coming through in the states. I was about to rant about how overrated i think euro rave/techno is from this period but i've decided against it bcuz i don't know much of it that well anyway, but this gets to the root of my distaste for a lot of the way hip-hop is seen on ILM as being sort of nowhere until they started using European rave sounds, as if early 90s hip-hop = current undie hip-hop or something.

Here's something interesting. When all the new european critics was going nuts over eurodance in the mid 90s, a DJ named screw was redefining hip-hop in Houston and music today outside of Houston is just beginning to feel its effects. I'm not hugely familiar w/ miami bass, but that shit was going on at the same time as revolutionary NYC hip-hop that already gets well-deserved props.

I'm not saying that european music from this period sucks - in fact, I've bought some st. etienne and pulp specifically because of Scott PL's recommendations in the past. And I've discovered lots of european dance music that I like because of ILM and Simon Reynold's generation ecstasy.

But seriously, this myth about european music in the early 90s somehow being "better" or "more progressive" than its American counterparts is bullshit; this was a fertile period in the U.S. in a lot of different ways, and there is tons of u.s. music from the 90s that is not represented in this poll. Not that I'm surprised- obviously, this board is british based (originally) and its not like i expected miami bass and southern hip-hop (geto boys excepted) to get nods. But yo - this american-music-sucks thing about the early 90s is some crazy talk.

namean?

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I would have voted for "Common People" pretty high but it's so shrill (not lyrically, the actual sound) I can't listen to it very often.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i never said american music sucked. i said that british music was better.

i have heard plenty of early 90's rap and none of it really resonated with me. it is ok, but gritty new york hip hop is just more to my liking. i downloaded 'mind playing tricks on me' when the nominations were put out because there was some buzz here about it. it didnt do anything for me. maybe i had to listen to it back when it was put out, but truthfully, if i dont like it now, i am not putting it on the list. i really liked soundgarden in the 90's, but now i find them to be annoying so therefore i didnt vote for them.

i voted for what i liked. i also stand by the idea that the european songs/albums that are listed have held up better than the stuff that did not make the list.

you may disagree, but you really arent going to convince me or anyone.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You said: i never said american music sucked. i said that british music was better.

And I had already said: But seriously, this myth about european music in the early 90s somehow being "better" or "more progressive" than its American counterparts is bullshit;

And trying to say its somehow "aged" better is fucking stupid, just because Pulp resonated with you back when you were a little kid who called his mom "mum" and his pants "knickers" doesn't mean that the geto boys didn't resonate with a lot of other people.

And that's my criticism of this list, why I don't really feel it. Holding those bands up as the pentultimate achievement of the 90s reeks of whitewashing.

Now obviously this is a poll so you know, whatever - what people like is what people like. But to suggest that this period of british music was inherently "better" or "more progressive" than its counterparts in america is bullshit. I mean, I'm not saying hip-hop was more important, I'm saying that at the very least it is equally as important. If you hadn't even heard "Mind Playing Tricks" until now, how can you know that Euro music has "aged" better? You clearly haven't really engaged with American music too much anyway.

And I "gritty new york hip-hop" fits under the column of "early 90s rap". And also mid 90s, and late 90s, and even now to a degree (although much less so)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:04 (nineteen years ago) link

pulp didnt resonate with me back when i was a little kid. because i didnt fucking hear their music until 2002.

the british music of the 90's SOUNDS BETTER TO ME THAN AMERICAN MUSIC OF THE SAME PERIOD. it has held up better to my ears and to the ears most of the people on this message board it seems (although the top twenty will probably make your hissy fit seem completely ridiculous because there isnt a whole lot of british hits left to be listed).

i listened to a lot of alternative rock in the 90's. i also listened to some rap. but the problem is that mtv and the radio were my only mediums for music since i wasnt old enough to be buying music. i am sorry if that doesnt meet your expectations. i am sorry i wasnt there to "experience" it when it happened. i only know so much. you like rap, i like scarfpop. i appreciate rap for what it is and have tried to like it on a higher level, but it just isnt happening. i hope you have done the same with the stuff on my singles list. i just think its ridiculous for you to be so righteous about your music tastes to call an entire message board out about it.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm not being righteous about my music tastes, i'd just like to see them well represented, you know, like seeing FIVE Premier or Timbaland tracks up on the list would be something.

And I never questioned your taste you can like whatever you like.
I'm not calling anyone out.

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music from this period ppl are throwing up here.

And if you want to turn this into "I'm right that this period was better for the british music because most people here agree" then I'll just turn around and point to how little effect Pulp had on American radio and how little their influence is being felt in today's american pop music (when compared with screw or miami bass)

No one is questioning your right to like whatever you like. Its just a list of music and I have a right to say that I wish there were more people on ILM representing for (insert artist here).

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music from this period ppl are throwing up here.

should read

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music with a very similar aesthetic from this period ppl are throwing up here.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to say that pulp, belle & sebastian and saint etienne are very different. pulp has huge anthems, saint etienne is sublime. belle & sebastian is just twee-y pop. they are all different in my book.

regarding the influence on current music... i think that european dance music has a great influence on neptunes type production in rap music.

also, the fact that miami bass and screw have so much influence in the last few years... maybe thats why i am not really interested in a lot of music these last few years.

this board is england-based. i expect british bands to fair well. just as the sound opinions board is chicago-based so there will be a lot of wilco love. wishing that there is more southern rap on a list from england is kinda laughable actually. sad too.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I also think its pretty sad that ppl find it difficult to appreciate music from outside their comfort zone.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

considering my rather unpredictable day tomorrow, I'm getting a head start. 20-11, NOW

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

#20

JAY-Z - "Big Pimpin'" (523 points, 31 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U8ZQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)
djdee, do you know my comfort zone? also, do you listen to brit-pop even after you have decided that you really dont like it? i am not going to be diverse for the sake of being diverse. i seek out things that people actively love and i try to be fair in my judgement of the music. in the last year or two i have been introduced to a ton of great genres i would never have listened to. these include northern soul, phil spector productions, 60's era psych, 70's soul, and post-punk. i can also honestly say that i hated 60's psych and post-punk when i first heard them, but i kept giving them chances. i love them now. i also do not hate rap by any means. in fact, i love notorious BIG and a good amount of the "undie" rap and also british *gasp* garage.

dont question my music tastes unless you really know them.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't question your tastes! In fact I specifically said:
And I never questioned your taste you can like whatever you like.
I'm not calling anyone out.

And I also said multiple times that there is britpop that I like.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I knew I was still awake for some reason (hey gear, does NOW mean in the next hour or are ya gonna take your sweet time with this? It's cool either way I just am trying to figure out if I should get some shut-eye)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

And yay, big pimpin!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

#19

DAFT PUNK - "Around the World" (538 points, 36 votes)

http://transbenik.free.fr/Daft/around2.JPG

" "Around The World" had that typically early 80s 4/4 drum beat with handclaps and a Linn-sounding drum machine type og drum sound. The synths were present in techno before it too, but then they would have more like either the standard 2/2 trance beat with roughly the same emphasis on bass drum and snare drum, or they would have breakbeats. "Around The World" was a revival of the more typical early 80s sound in that matter."
-- Geir Hongro

(?)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(next hour or so, I gotta sleep too)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)
but you just dont like THAT much brit-pop. your original argument seems silly and so does this one. i am done.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i didnt vote for around the world, but i heartily agree with its placement, fantastic track.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest 'Independent Love Song' may well have missed the cut here.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

ironic, since every rocker (except me) seems to love it lots

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

#18

DR. DRE - "Nuthin' But A G Thang" (561 points, 33 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/dr_dre.jpg

"Although it's not trumpeted about as such, I fully believe that "Ain't Nuthin Like a G Thang" had just as powerful an impact on modern music as did "Smells Like Teen Spirit". I still get all woohoo and shit when "...G Thang" comes on the radio..."
-- nickalicious

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm not being righteous about my music tastes, i'd just like to see them well represented, you know, like seeing FIVE Premier or Timbaland tracks up on the list would be something.

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music with a very similar aesthetic from this period ppl are throwing up here.

So what you're saying is that you would have wanted ppl to vote for stuff *you* like, instead of stuff they like, so *your* tastes would have been better reflected on the list.
Uh-huh.

Vasquesz, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

#17

SINEAD O'CONNOR - "Nothing Compares 2 U" (578 points, 32 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://sineadoconnor.safeway.sk/discography/cds/1990/nothing_compares_2_u_big.jpg

"Sinead's "Nothing Compares 2 U" ... simply a stunning song. Whenever I hear it in a public space I retreat within myself and can only pay attention to the music. Recently my parents were visiting town, and my mother was talking on and on in a bakery and yet I was completely elsewhere, wrapped up in this as it trailed out of the ceiling speakers..."
-- Dare

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:21 (nineteen years ago) link

nuthin but a g thang was my introduction to rap. i love the song and the video is burned in my brain from watching mtv that entire summer. absolutely one of the greatest rap tracks... and i dont even like l.a./west coast rap that much.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i love prince, but i dont think that he could have done as beautiful of a job on nothing compares 2 u as sinead o'connor did. her voice is hauntingly beautiful and so somber. it is real emotion.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

#16

STARDUST - "Music Sounds Better With You" (581 points, 34 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000DAHL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Few tracks in the '90s were better and I think teh poll reflects that, yep

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - i voted for 'common people' too but the notion that pulp on their own topped wu-tang, biggie, and dre during the nineties is the very daftness i'm talking about. maybe that 'why did it take the english so long to catch on to hip-hop?' thread should be revived and revised to 'when will the english catch on to hip-hop?', if you really favor faint echo of then to loud and clear now it's no wonder you keep electing and reelecting bush-enabler with a smile and chart the libertines higher than grime. god save the queen.


sinead's 'nc2u' blows any of prince's away

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoa, I'm glad I stayed up too ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i haev no idea what the top 10 could look like.

:| (....), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

#15

MASSIVE ATTACK - "Unfinished Sympathy" (590 points, 34 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://212.85.103.226/massiveattack/massiveattack/img/dyskografia/unfinishedsympathy7.jpg

" "Unfinished Sympathy" is a deeply brilliant song on almost every level I can think of; singing, arrangement, production, rhythm, the video, its influence on the music scene, etc etc."
--Dan Perry

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

But I think we're really close with the predictions for the *composition* of the top 20, although I don't think anyone said that "Around the World" and "Music Sounds Better" AND "Da Funk" would be there (I still expect the latter to show up).

ILM and its Daft Punk worship ...

(xpost)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link

They've all gone, though, which leaves us with, erm... Burnin', perhaps?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:43 (nineteen years ago) link

#14

BECK - "Loser" (592 points, 34 votes)

http://www.oi.co.kr/new_admin/cd_pictures_new/02001900011.gif

"I had a taped version of Loser by Beck off the radio, and for some reason they cut it off after the first verse, so I listened and listened to that tape and memorized the whole first verse, and then when I heard the whole song my mind expanded, and now I'm omnipotent."
-- NA

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

These tracks at the top are really pulling away -- 117 point difference between #100 and #50, which is about the same points difference between #26 -#15.

That bottom 50 was exceptionally tight though, with all those ties.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

please explain unfinished sympathy to me

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:46 (nineteen years ago) link

#13

AALIYAH - "Are You That Somebody?" (599 points, 32 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000G6J4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
(christ)

having some trouble finding comments for this one, dammit.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

#12

NIRVANA - "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (615 points, 30 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd500/d510/d510346t4u2.jpg

"If you can not still turn up the fuckin' stereo and feel that "feeling" to the opening chords of "Smells Like Teen-spirit" then stop being a Rock Snob and trade your copies of Nevermind and In Utero and Bleach in at the used CD shoppe (maybe they'll go to a good home, you can keep Unplugged to play at Tuesday's wine and cheese party)and see if you can get a pristine copy of Mozart's Requiem to play at your funeral 'cause Baby, it's O-V-E-R."
-- Speedy Gonzalas

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - channeling larry king!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

#11

BLACKSTREET - "No Diggity" (616 points, 31 votes, 2 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006TGV.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Riley was interviewed by MTV years back and mentioned how the track was laying down the foundations for a 'heavier r n' b' sound. the guitar lick and 'mmm hmmm' vocal are lifted straight from old blues and you get the impression Moby has spent a while now trying to imitate what they've done here. addding a Dre style beat and the ragtime-ish piano...its such a great hook - total head nodding booty shaking stuff."
--blueski

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

having some trouble finding comments for this one, dammit.

Well, "from the Dr Dolittle soundtrack" says it all, really.

Vasquesz, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link

90 down, 10 to go.

some who have showed up show up again, some who have never showed up finally make an appearance, and some you really think are gonna make it are buried somewhere down around #118 or #146...

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Would "Common People" make more sense to Americans if it was repackaged for that market as "Southern People"?

-- Tim Finney (tfinne...), November 10th, 2004 4:00 AM. (later)


No. It might make some sense if it was "Black People".

-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), November 10th, 2004 4:03 AM. (lat

This is such a brilliant idea. Someone should do an amended cover version and make no attempt to make it scan properly.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, laid is def at 118 or 146.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:20 (nineteen years ago) link

they did, it's called "pretty fly for a white guy"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, so a whole bunch of stuff that most of us thought would be in the top ten finished outside it, so what's left? I'll guess:

10. New Order -- Regret
9. Orbital -- Chime
8. Daft Punk -- Da Funk
7. Geto Boys - "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"
6. Breeders - "Cannonball"
5. Warren G. f/ Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
4. My Bloody Valentine - "Soon"
3. Deee-Lite - "Groove is in the Heart"
2. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
1. Pulp - "Common People"

Although I have very little confidence in these guesses -- I didn't expect a lot of those tracks to place this high. Swapping most of #11-20 with 1-10 is closer to what I was thinking.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

We've had 'Da Funk' already.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes we have, and that is the second time I've predicted its imminent arrival. It is clearly time for me to go to bed.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

#1

PEARL JAM - "Bugs" (3262 points, 103 votes, 19 first place votes)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

#2 MEREDITH BROOKS - "Bitch"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

#3 JILL SOBULE "I Kissed a Girl"

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

#4 REPUBLICA - "Ready to go"

That girl with the hair was hot (Jacob), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

omg lol - i almost put sobule for number two!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

#5 Tracy Bonham "Mother Mother"

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

#6

Deep Blue Something - "Breakfast At Tiffany's"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

#7 Blur - "Song 2"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

oooh BURN

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

#8 DADA "Dizz Knee Land"

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

#9 Sebadoh, "Gimme Indie Rock"

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, looks like the top 20-11 is much better than the top 10... Well, at least Nirvana didn't make it as high as people thought it would. I'm still hoping for a surprise victory for "Regulate".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Regulate and Windowlicker will chart very highly - they're still well-loved but not anywhere near as overplayed as yer Born Slippys or Smells Like Teen Spirits.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

this is a fantastic list

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

660 unread answers and not into the top 10. COME ON

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

the predictions game always bloats it

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I imagine Stevem wearing a green visor and chewing on a cigar as he said that.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

GO EVERLONG

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Every time I see that mentioned I think of the Pixies cover of 'Winterlong' and how much I like it.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

who is everlong by? don't think I know it

given all the "ILM wuvs soppy indie pop" comments upthread, what are the odds on Sixpence None The Richer making the top ten?!? i noticed it got a few mentions in the 'what did you vote for?' thread

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Everlong = Foo Fighters

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

#8

WINDY AND CARL - "Antarctica"" (2332 points, 76 votes, 8 first place votes)

#4

SABRES OF PARADISE - "Wilmot" (3476 points, 82 votes, 17 first place votes)

(Not in this universe. Wait! Check the voting machines!)

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Kissed A Girl"!!! Hahahaha!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

20-11 is pretty great, in fact. I9-14 are all pretty classic. How could i have forgotten to vote for "Loser"?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

This is that annoying question, but can someone tell me what is so good about 'Loser'?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man bring on the last 10!!!

i've still got 11 that haven't shown up, by my best guess i'd say that no more than 3 of those will make it ("Soon", "Groove Is In The Heart" and "Lazarus") and probably only the first two actually will.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

'Loser' is Beck's worst single

no way is 'Lazarus' gonna make it, wtf people

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

'Loser' is like, I dunno, the novelty single for people who think they're too smart for Afroman's 'Because I Got High'. It's so dreary!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

in a tribe of chimpanzees i was a monkey. i love it. i don't know why.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i know - wishful thinking.
i just keep thinking of that part where the trumpets come crashing in with the drums and growling guitars and think "how could it NOT make the list???"

but then i could kinda think that about everything in my list (the part where delacy sings her first lines over the church organ/bass, the part where the first avh bline kicks in after the "sspppppiiinnnnnnnn spppppiiinnnnnnnn suuuugggggggggg-aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" timestretch thingy and all hell breaks loose, etc)

but most of all i just feel sad that NO ONE else voted for "Autobiography". you should all download it when i get the folder put together and shared. i guarantee you'll either love it or you hate music

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost to steve m, obv

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh i'm gutted about De'Lacy too - best house track of the 90s

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh man, Everlong isn't gonna make it. Despite the fact that it's the single greatest rock song of the decade. And you know why? BECAUSE ILM CREAMS OVER UTTERLY LIFELESS SHIT LIKE "SAY MY NAME" AND BELLE AND SEBASTIAN, THAT'S WHY.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

rock...?...UTTERLY LIFELESS SHIT

i think you may be onto something!

:-p

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to 'Everlong' because it was on my Michel Gondry DVD. It was one of those records that seemed to be made by people without soul, for ants. Why are people so scared of living? Stick on 'Sleep The Clock Around'. Open the windows. The future is bright.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i like 'loser', but it didn't make my votes. there was a time i thought beck was just grebt.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I've always disliked Beck apart from a brief period when Loser still had some novelty value. The full length version of Lazarus is a grebt pop thing but there was no way it was going to go top ten.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

WHAT IS THIS? A SONG FOR ANTS?

Freelance Zoolander (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

What's this? A song for ANTS?

Zooalba (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

'Everlong' is great because to me it's the point where Grohl finally fessed up to loving Van Halen more than Sub Pop - all fun all the drivetime

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Unlike a lot of the songs in this poll, Loser sounds really limp ten years on.

The Foo Fighters placing above Nirvana would be some kind of victory against rockism, I feel (even if Everlong is the only song of there's a I really love).

I've no idea what's on the nominations list or what is going to make the Top 10. There isn't the unexploded bomb of another Belle and Sebastian song is there?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be wrong about the two D.I. songs, MiR, but if history has taught me one thing, it's to never underestimate the vote of the corny indie fuxx.
Corny indie fuxx in 90's poll = people who vote based on "moral values" in US elections

How do you feel about Corny Hip-Hop Fuxx? Because there seem to be a lot of those around.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I am still baffled as to why liking DI makes one a corny indie fuck nowadays.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

There isn't the unexploded bomb of another Belle and Sebastian song is there?

I suspect there may well be, sleeping at bus stops...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

The best looking boys are taken
The best looking girls are staying inside..

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps not. Judy and the Dream of Horses doesn't seem to have been nominated, so that pretty much counts out my prediction.

There isn't enough balance to this thread. Some of us should start to rant incoherently about how the list isn't indie ENOUGH.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

How do you feel about Corny Hip-Hop Fuxx? Because there seem to be a lot of those around.

there are, aren't there? Their reaction when I say something like "Diamond Princess is a better album than Illmatic" is akin to the reaction of cornie indie fuxx when I say something like "Emma Bunton is better than Wilco". And they really hate Princess Superstar!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

HOW COULD THIS POLL HAVE IGNORED THE PASTELS WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THE PASTELS YOU CRAZY BUNCH OF INDIE HATERS. FUCK YOU FOR HAVING YOUR OWN TASTES, FUCK YOU FOR VOTING FOR WHAT YOU LIKED AND WHAT'S ALL THIS AMERICAN SHIT DOING HERE?!?!?!?!?!?!

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, "from the Dr Dolittle soundtrack" says it all, really.
You are stupid.

So what you're saying is that you would have wanted ppl to vote for stuff *you* like, instead of stuff they like, so *your* tastes would have been better reflected on the list.
Uh-huh.

Um no not at all - actually I was suggesting the opposite, it was a little rhetorical trick, essentially I don't think ANY artist should have five songs in the top 100 singles of the decade, or if it is they certainly should have earned it. I LIKE st. etienne (in fact, I think I voted for "Like a Motorway") yet I think wu-tang's 5 best singles trump st. etiennes, but that point aside, I think its pretty clear where ILM's heart is in this matter.

wtf is Beck's "Loser" doing all the way up here?

(I'm not questioning the results, that this is what many ILMers really believe, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about it - you know, like that election that happened the other day.)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Loser" is still great and it's all because of the slide guitar and the wrong, deranged Spanish.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

You are stupid.
Ha ha ha. Trolled someone after all.

(I'm not questioning the results, that this is what many ILMers really believe, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about it - you know, like that election that happened the other day.)

Sure, but you made it sound as if you thought the collated results should reflect your view of the nineties better. (When the point is that only your own list does that, and the end list reflects no one's)

Vasquesz, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Not MY view, but a DIVERSE view. I'm not v. familiar w/ d'n'b but I'm glad to see it represented. I didn't vote for Omni trio (i hadn't heard it before) but I'm glad someone did because its a sound that isn't really well-represented here.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I posted this elsewhere, but: I'd guess that most ILM people have far more diverse listening habits now than they did in the 90s - due to age, easier access to music etc, all sorts of things. Just like you didn't vote for Omni Trio cos you hadn't heard it, probably a large amount of people didn't vote for whatever hip-hop tracks missed out because they hadn't heard them - that's definitely true of me.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

You're never going to get all sounds represented, even if you just had one track from each genre.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF WHERE THE HELL DID THE TIBETAN FREE-JAZZ PRESENCE GO???????????? DID NONE OF YOU HAVE EARS IN 1994???????

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

But no Grupo Niche?

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also, right now at this very second, the best song from the 90s was "Slip Inside This House".)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

that Dr. Doolittle crap on the aaliyah single cover makes me sad.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cielo de Tambores" is probably better than anything on this list, including all the stuff I haven't heard (which is mostly by three bands anyway).

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

that Dr. Doolittle crap on the aaliyah single cover makes me sad.

It made me happy!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Lex OTM -- I think that's what I was trying to get at earlier in a less succinct form.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(for me personally, as a teenager growing up in rural England, hip-hop may as well not have existed outside of a few singles here and there (I voted for No Diggity, California Love and Got Your Money), it certainly wasn't the ubiquitous pop culture force it is now. it's very irritating in hindsight as it'd have been stellar to grow up with those singles as a soundtrack.)

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(Belle and Sebastian put me off living)

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh i'm gutted about De'Lacy too - best house track of the 90s
Allow me to correct this typo,
"Yeh I'm gutted about Eddie Amador's "House Music" too -- best house track of the 90's"

I am still baffled as to why liking DI makes one a corny indie fuck nowadays.
Actually, he was referring to Neutral Milk Hotel at the time.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew Blood Thames OTM

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Cub was tweepop.
cuddlecore/cutecore depending on your location :P

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

(Belle and Sebastian put me off living)

Wow. They really ARE powerful, aren't they?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like to make a correction, it was Shreddies not Wheaties that I think I was eating that day.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

it wasn't a typo Barry, it was my opinion

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I know :)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean could there BE a more annoying way of pointing out you disagree with someone on something?!?!?!

Freelance Hivechandler (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF WHERE THE HELL DID THE TIBETAN FREE-JAZZ PRESENCE GO???????????? DID NONE OF YOU HAVE EARS IN 1994???????

haha Not that they're Tiberan free jazz but I think everyone should have voted for the Siberian throat singer and Finnish minimal electronic duo I nominated for the albums list. And, yes, Indian classical music and Japanese improv were robbed.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole frickin' island of Jamaica was robbed!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

poor Buju

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole frickin' island of Malta was robbed!

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean could there BE a more annoying way of pointing out you disagree with someone on something?!?!?!
Steve, I wasn't trying to be accusatory or insult your taste. I'm sorry if it appeared as though I was. I just copied your line as a joke and used it to reflect my own tastes. I didn't mean any harm by it.
Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

relax, i know it's jokey, it's just annoying with it, but then it's Supercrank Stevem this week all week here

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame Belle & Sebastian.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

what time is the #1 likely to be announced? i'd like to be here for the final 10 but what with Gear on crazy time i'm not sure that'll happen.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, the U.S. is

Eastern Time
Central Time
Mountain Time
Crazy Time

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I really think it's time Crazy and Mountain linked up. We need Crazy Mountain Time.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Newfietime is a half hour before all that.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

the very idea that the de'lacy or amadour tracks are the best house tracks of the nineties is madness!

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

It's funny you should say that, because stevem is actually clinically insane.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Since Gear posted right before he went to bed last night, I would guess that he won't post in the morning, instead, he will post the final ten in the early afternoon, California time.

Just a guess, mind you -- one that should perhaps be ignored considering my unimpressive success rate in predicting the outcome of this poll.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

sundar wait for judgement until the albums list has been posted :)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The final 10 will be posted during an hour prime-time special in front of a live studio audience.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It's going to make Jerry Springer look like an episode of 'Call My Bluff'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll get these final mofos up between 1pm and 2pm, crazy time.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you awake now or are you sleeping?

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

just don't hit me with a chair when the top ten is nothing but b-sides from The Bends

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm eating a bagel and getting ready to leave for work.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

cinnamon raisin

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

with cream cheese

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

less eating, more results dammit. what are we paying you for???

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.superlaugh.com/pets/kittycloth.jpg

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the very idea that the de'lacy or amadour tracks are the best house tracks of the nineties is madness!

what because you think something that's ACTUALLY NOT THAT DIFFERENT SOUNDING FROM THEM AT ALL is so much better?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that my numbers one (Born Slippy) and two (Unfinished Symp, though it did well) are fucked, I'm holding on for For Tomorrow.

There are no britpop heavies! You are all alone at night.

Really? I guess we'll see.

Yeah, I went there with this single and I stand by it. It may not be their "most loved single" (I mean their most loved single is probably fucking "Song 2" -- this obv means nothing, "most loved" often means most easily hateable with Blur), but Modern Life Is Rubbish is their finest hour and "For Tomorrow" is MLIR in a song.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i liked your comment about Coolio re 'Lovefool' roxy

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, thanks steve.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, all house music sounds the same. wtf

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i will be out of here when the top 10 are posted :-(

see you tomorrow when i have to WADE THROUGH 1000 UNREAD POSTS - largely complaining about britpop/pulp/tokenism etc.

you know i love you

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I should have nominated Weird Al's Amish Paradise.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

trickydisco i just figured you'd suggest a house track you think is soooo much better but in reality it probably wouldn't be that different. happens a lot. in any case saying someone's choice (however assertive it may be expressed) is 'madness' is just as annoying as calling it a typo.

i know i'm over-reacting but either back up such statements by suggesting something 'better' and explaining why you think, or just leave it.

surely ilm can do better than the 'yes it is, no it isn't' that tends to dominate some threads (a lot of dance ones, cos so many of us are trying to stamp our authority and knowledge down in an endless game of dick-waving oneupmanship)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The scene with the game of dick-waving oneupmanship in ILM: The Movie is a complete classic.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

look out for the DVD of this thread with 40898242 hours worth of extra babble

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i was cracking a joke (trying to be colloquial actually), steve. i wasn't trying to one-up you at all. everyone here is entitled to their own opinion...

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

ah i'm just bored of that 'your choice is madness!' thing - when it comes to the polls there's a lot of this assertiveness though - the whole 'oh i can't belieeeeeeve that's this low' or 'you like x more than y?!' etc. - it just feels very predictable and forthright, as if people expect the list to match their own idea of what a top 100 would be to the letter.

the inevitable (because i will start it if no-one else does) 'post your own top 100 of the 90s' thread is gonna be fun...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

stevem you wanna tone down the OTMness this morning? I'm starting to wear down the keys.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

You rate stevem higher than me? Madness.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't get the 'keys' thing!

damn these boots are starting to hurt...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the disagreement is what makes these polls interesting. consensus is boring. fwiw, what about "brighter days" by dajae?

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

My prediction (I realize I am making some BOLD CLAIMS here):

1. Common People - Pulp
2. Groove is in the Heart - Deee-Lite!
3. Regulate - Warren G
4. Cannonball - The Breeders
5. Hyperballad - Bjork
6. Regret - New Order
7. Soon - My Bloody Valentine
8. Paranoid Android - Radiohead
9. Mind Playing Tricks on Me - Geto Boys
10. Windowlicker - Aphex Twin

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

things are slow at the moment here at work, so I'll get started...

#10

BJORK - "Hyperballad" (619 points, 30 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://www.abc.se/~m8996/bjork/disco/realsize/576154-2.jpg

" "Hyper-ballad" is my favourite at the moment. Odd that I used to think her lyrics were moronic. Their haiku-like genius eluded me until this."
-- sundar subramanian

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I gotta admit I didn't see Bjork coming.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i sure as fuck didn't see her big bald head coming christ

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, at least it was in the top 10, if not as high as I predicted. (That was my dark horse.)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the disagreement is what makes these polls interesting

i didn't expect everyone to agree of course - but when they disagree i get irked and take it as a criticism that i don't know what i'm talking about, heh - carry on

xpost Hyperballad's bloody ace

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

#9

RADIOHEAD - "Paranoid Android" (620 points, 31 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006TCH.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I don't like this one as much as some of their others, personally, but this is a fine tune. Search engine's slow here, any other comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Reviews of Bjork's new single 'Who is it?', from Scottish teenagers, in this week's Sunday Herald.

Tyree

It’s drastic.It’s all weird and spooky. It’s horrible. I don’t know how anyone could listen to it. That’s the first time I’ve heard anything by her.
Bin It!

Katrina

It’s crap. There is no tune and she doesn’t have a good voice enough for it. She can’t sing at all. I’ve never even heard of her.
Bin It!

Lisa

It’s too weird. I don’t like her voice. The beat is alright, it’s just Bjork herself and her music.
Bin It!

Ciara

Bjork scares me. She’s really, really weird. So is her music. It’s a bit too slow.
Bin It!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, this list is totally fucking shocking so far. The top ten is really a totally open game at this point. MiR's prediction looks pretty good to me, but I just can't accept "Chime" going top ten--is its reputation really that untouchable?

Anyway, "Loser" is most absolutely Beck's finest moment, and if one non-"Web in Front" song had to represent the golden age of american indie rock, "Loser" is probably the best to do it. The genius of that song hasn't aged a second in the last decade. I think I had it at #10 on my list.

haha, "Paranoid Android" at #9. Wow.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"It’s drastic."? Wierd. I'm hoping for some pop domination of the rest of the top 10.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm. Mis-spelled 'Weird'. Anyway, Loser is a great song.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

After writing those predictions, I finally took a look at the thread where individual lists are being posted -- based on that "exit poll" data, I would retract my "Chime" prediction. It was not listed much at all.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

would've liked to have seen 'Where It's At' instead of 'Loser'

at least two spaces left i can't think what can occupy

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah SteveM and miccio, frankly I like complaining about the list, how am I supposed to react "oh that's interesting, people like st. etienne!!!!"? Its way more fun to be outraged.

I mean I'm not taking the list THAT seriously, its not about to make or break my day or something, but if i'm going to waste my time posting on a message board i'm going to damn well do what I enjoy doing (in this case, complaining).

And I DO appreciate the list bcuz it gives me something to talk about! And again, thanks to Gear! for compiling all this shit.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post) There are certainly better Beck songs, but I guess Loser was the biggest, so I don't mind it showing up here.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The only two I'm certain about are still "Groove is in the Heart" and "Common People". And I think "Soon" is more or less definite as well. Besides that:

Cannonball (not so sure anymore)
Mind Playing Tricks on Me (was the campaigning not enough, perhaps?)
Regulate (Given trends on the list, I think chances are pretty good)
NMH (still can't underrate their clout with the indie crowd--remember "Letter From an Occupant"!)
DI (what song, though?)
Windowlicker
Chime (????)

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll say (in any order): COMMON PEOPLE, EVERLONG, GROOVE IS IN THE HEART, REGULATE, SOON, REGRET, CHIME, CANNONBALL

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

#8

APHEX TWIN - "Windowlicker" (626 points, 39 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000I8U7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"Windowlicker - Still as seductive and deadly as the day I first heard it, 3 years ago!"
-- K-reg

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

What about Betty Boo? (x-post)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

What would you guys argue with on my predicted top 10?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

and that cover is as disturbing as the first day I saw it.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, i was just gonna post 'oop, replace Cannonball or Chime with Windowlicker'


Windowlicker excites, amuses and maybe even infuriates ('accident vs intention, how do we know?') - all hallmarks of a modern classic. little did we know a couple of years later all pop would sound like this.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I forgot about "Regret," that actually has really good chances as well. But "Everlong"? Yesterday I would've said no chance at all, but the way things have been going I guess it's possible. I still doubt it.

"Windowlicker" at #8 is pretty cool. It just missed making my top 30.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Everlong" has no chance, sadly.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm also abandoning hope for 'Doop'.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that Jay might be going 10 for 10, actually. His list is looking pretty good at the moment.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

weird then that Everlong got at least one #1 vote (and not everyone who voted has posted on the 'what did you vote for' thread)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Part of me has trouble believing "Regulate" and "Mind Playing Tricks on Me" made it this high, but if "No Diggity" can make it to #11 then I guess it's not too unlikely.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i swear i voted for everlong -- my fave rock single of the '90s -- but it doesn't seem to be on my ballot! fuck!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

weird then that Everlong got at least one #1 vote

At least two, counting mine.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

omg if you play Everlong backwards Grohl is saying 'gaaay maahhhrreeej isss goooood'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

#7

WARREN G - "Regulate" (643 points, 33 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000024I7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

"i love this song. yes, it is quite possibly the best song ever. there are several reasons why: 1)it's mega mega mega funky 2)it's completely un-self-conscious and ernest - that's why some of you might find it embarrassing or cheesy, but i find it really endearing 3)nate dogg: so cool, warren g: such a nerd...yet they come together and create exhilirating g-funk, funked out with a gangster twist."

-- minna

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

otm dammit (this is another good song i just couldn't like at the time...esp. not when they had to include mcdonald's singing on the uk radio edit for legal reasons)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

GEar! any idea what time you'll complete the list? would like to know how long i have to hang around here at work ;)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard of #7.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

whaaaat

:| (....), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a bit late now, but earlier on i was going to say, it's sad that it doesn't look like either 'no scrubs' or 'jump around' are going to make it. i'll say it now though - it's sad.

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Melissa, No wonder radiohead is your favorite band!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

#6

NEW ORDER - "Regret" (647 points, 36 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://staff.niagara.edu/rpk2/New_Order/graphics/regret.jpg

" "Regret" works as more of a mood setter that just also happens to be a really fucking great song."
--The Good. Dr. Bill

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

the jamming remix of regulate is so much better than the original.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Melissa's comment doesn't surprise me -- it was pretty popular at the time, but I haven't actually heard it in a few years, myself.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still holding out hope for I Got Five On It. Was it even nominated?

Dan I., Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a cool cover ("Regret").

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe "Pony" didn't make it!!!!!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

haha ive never heard of #6.

:| (....), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Still an asshole, I see, dj.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

what the fuck is that doing there!?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I suspect more Americans know Regulate than Regret.

Also, I'm missing Pop Scene, which *is* Blur's best moment.

smirky, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I have heard of both, and really don't think that either are in the top 200 even of the 90s. Still, they're better than #9. I can't even remember how #10 goes, and I have that album somewhere. This is a funny old top 10 for me so far.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

this list is incredible.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Airbag is about a million times better a song than Paranoid Android.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I gotta admit I couldn't tell you what "Regret" sounds like whereas "Regulate" is unavoidable for anyone of my generation.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Melissa, No wonder radiohead is your favorite band!

Oh please, Melissa is plenty well-informed about music. Hip-hop is just a piss in the ocean anyway, taken in the broader context of what's out there to be heard.

x-posts

RS, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Regret" got a lot of airplay in North American (for a New Order song). MuchMusic in Canada had the video on heavy rotation -- it was even number 1 for two weeks on their weekly countdown.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh! I voted for Regret. At #29, but I've got to cling to my victories.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

'Regulate' is better than 'Regret', because it has more letters.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I am worried that someone who doesn't know New Order is going to download 'Regret' and wonder what all the fuss is about.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry if I'm touching your wrist melissa, i'm just looking for a pulse from your sense of humor.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Both were on the radio all the time when they came out. I knew both as a kid. So shruggedyshrugshrugshrug.

I voted for "Regulate" but not "Regret." Alba's logic works for me.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Hip-hop is just a piss in the ocean anyway, taken in the broader context of what's out there to be heard.

*HEAD EXPLODES*

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

You can't spell "Regret" without "Regulate"-r.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I think we need a 'Regrulate' NO/Warren G mashup.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

You're pulling the sense of humor card? Please.

xpost

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

#5

GETO BOYS - "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" (710 points, 33 votes, 4 first place votes)

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-11-08/music_string10-1.jpg

"I'm wondering why more ppl haven't ripped off/copied "Mind Playing Tricks", self-hatred, self-immolation, disgust, squalor, paranoia, brain damage, drugs drugs and more drugs, would've thought it an irresistable formula for an 'underground' of ANY description, and re 'Undergrounds' the first time I heard "MPTOM" it I thought 'great this'll be like VU where in 10/15 years there'll be 10,000 records that are like this one', so where are they?"
-- dave q

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I am worried that someone who doesn't know New Order is going to download 'Regret' and wonder what all the fuss is about.

i know new order and i downloaded and still i wonder. whats the secret?

:| (....), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

regulate is so goddamn smooth... (for a lazy literary reference) it's like that smoke in prufrock rubbing it's back on the window-panes.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

You're pulling the sense of humor card? Please.

Whether or not you think its funny, the point is I was joking.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"regrulate" :)

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

it's all about how he hits that line "...there's NOTHING I re-gret"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like a place I could call my own...THE EASTSIIIIIIIDE MOTEEEELLLLL

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not going to turn this into a "B-but you must like x or you have no soul" fiasco, :|.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

6. NEW ORDER - "Regret" 647 points
5. GETO BOYS - "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" 710 points

Wow, that's a hell of a jump, we're really hitting the big time now.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the Geto Boys vote was a strategic alignment conspiracy by all the hhheads, right?!!!

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

(hence the big jump)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

For some reason, I thought the Geto Boys were fat.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the rhythm has no bass cuz the Hook plays trebllllle!

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

and for some reason i thought the Fat Boys were ghetto

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

and I always thought the Fat Boys were ghetto

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

HAW

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd forgot how absolutely propulsive Everlong is.

smirky, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

exciting!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(rentboy high-fives Gear)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a shame we all knew what would win long ago. COME ON EUPHORIA (NINO'S DREAM)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe we'll be surprised?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

You know Soon is gonna be up there, just like Loveless is gonna be in the album chart

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the Geto Boys vote was a strategic alignment conspiracy by all the hhheads, right?!!!

The only "conspiracy" was whatever we posted in the original thread about nominations.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It's gonna be really funny if Everlong gets THIS much praise and doesn't even make the top 100 (it dented my top 30 so I can make this joke).

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I like to think that there are still people eagerly awaiting the positiion of 'Lazarus' by the Boo Radleys.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

c'mon "rushed" by 69 - one last push : D

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I voted for "Mind's Playing Tricks on Me" because it's a damned good song, eff a conspiracy theory

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

We more or less knew what would win in the last poll too but it didn't make the rest of the countdown any less fun :)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

@djdee - that was a joke in ref to the whole converstaion that took place upthread/yesterday

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah begs2differ is OTM
rentboy sounds like he's setting up an affirmative action strawman to burn or something.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I like to think that there are still people eagerly awaiting the positiion of 'Lazarus' by the Boo Radleys.

(waves bashfully)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have 'Desire' by 69. I like it very much. I will try to get this 'Rushed'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I really shoulda voted for Everlong, I love that song but I think all the garbage Grohl's put out in the last few years kinda made me forget that.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

ah sorry xxxpost i know i was just joking at the time.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

We more or less knew what would win in the last poll too but it didn't make the rest of the countdown any less fun

oh yeah about that, i forgot to say i did a recount and 'digital love' won after all

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Are people also still holding on 'For Tomorrow' ha ha?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

ouch.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I do not understand why Alba doesn't understand Regret's high placing.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't blame me; I had "Everlong" at #3.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

'Better The Devil You Know'...?

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

so we'll know what won by 9pm GMT right?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I just never really warmed to it, Ricky. It's OK and everything.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

3. 69 - rushed
2. euphoria (nino's dream) - house crew
1. energy flash - beltram

!!!!

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

#4

MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "Soon" (735 points, 34 votes, 3 first place votes)

http://www.irishmusiccentral.com/mbv/mbv_pressphoto2.jpg

"Also, if "Soon" is "gay," then sign me up straightaway. I'm not sure what you mean by that, either. I think MBV make some of the most feminine-without-being-feminist-or-cutesy music I've ever encountered."
-- Clarke B

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess I just feel it has no depth to it at all - all is yielded up on first listen.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

alex raises a good point: where's kylie?!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, "Soon" didn't make the top 3!

I miss rockism! It's so much more poetic and less bookish than the hh heads (oddly a-fuckin nuff).

I'm gonna start screaming that Pearl Jam's "Black" got robbed.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY TRICKY!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

She got pissed off and left when it became clear 'It's Grim Up North' wasn't going to make it, steve.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Q-TIP, MISS KIER, BOOTSY, DIMITRI, TOWA...

already cheated by Steve Miller Band - surely it's not going to happen again!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

is cannonball still going to make it?

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe 'Groove Is In The Heart' is the 'Hey Ya' of the 90s but we were all less cynical then.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

oh boy

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

whoah, i really expected Soon at #1

kinda glad it's not
but what is??

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't think of 'Soon' without thinking of morris-dancers, marvellously enough - it's a great tsunami of a song

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

haha omg if "Cannonball" and "Everlong" make the top 3 I would shit

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve Miller Band?

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"soon" = swoon

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

What else is left but 'Common People'?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

3. Foos
2. Deee-Lite
1. Pulp

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

It's interesting that the number of *votes* isn't increasing as we move through the top 20, rather, the songs higher in the chart are getting there because they placed higher. This is stark contrast to the 00's poll, where the top songs got there more through sheer numbers of votes.
[/useless stats]

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

No Sleater Kinney on this list, hmph.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never really thought of it terms of depth, Alba. I only know that I still get the same thrill from it now as I did when I first heard it. Some days I think it might be the best thing they ever did, but then I remember Temptation and mentally slap myself round the face.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

groove is in the heart, cannonball and common people. gotta be.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

cannonball surely!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Sigh... No Disco Inferno...

Booo! Hiss!!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I see - it's 'Groove Is In The Heart', 'Common People' and either 'Cannonball' or this 'Everlong' thing.

Well, I have faith in 'Cannonball'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Did people stop liking Believe?

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

C'mon, "Cannonball"'s good, but it's not THAT good!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

It's

3. Cannonball
2. GIITH
1. Common People

right? I mean it has to be, surely?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

how could it be that 'Everlong' got at least two #1 votes and not be in the 100 tho?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Cannonball! Have you people never been to an indie disco!?

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

3. Jump Around
2. This is how we do it
1. Common people

pipedream

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

that's neat barry. aphex twin got more votes than anyting else on the top 10 so far.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"what is love" will mysteriously top the list

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

come on Chris Bell!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe no one voted for 'Common People', on the grounds that it would get enough votes elsewhere.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you people never been to an indie disco!?

I've never even heard of such a thing...

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you needed at least 233 votes to get in the 100, so two #1's isn't anywhere near enough.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

oxymoron

xp

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe Gear will pop up and say he's made a mistake and there are actually four records to go. Who knows what is round the corner??

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I have seen jed at an oxymoron.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i very much doubt it ONLY got two #1s Ricky...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

it would be great if the top 3 consisted of one pulp, one b&s and one st et song apiece, just to completely freak the hhheads

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ha!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I know, but that's only 1/3 of the way. I think The Last Dance got two #1s as well, and that's not made it.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

ok you've convinced me - damn

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

glycerine will win, people. bush always wins.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

DEEE-GROOVY

shmool that is a cruel and tasteless joke

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe "Pony" didn't even make 100.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I think we could all do with getting a bit more credulous.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

No way.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

how much for those magic beans alba?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Guys, now is the time to admit that I used "exit-poll data" to make my predictions -- and even though "Everlong" had one #1 vote, it also only had 5 votes total. Whereas "Cannonball" had 16 votes total. Advantage Breeders.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

it's been a cruel and tasteless week, tricky. for one thing, i'm beginning to doubt that shimmy shimmy ya will place.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

#3

THE BREEDERS - "Cannonball" (780 points, 47 votes)

http://media.wmg-is.com/media/portal/media/image/2_2770623_10.Jpg
http://www.cnewton.force9.co.uk/Charts/covers/cannon.jpg

"Cannonballo was the best song ever, really."
-- Dan I.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also, I think "Cannonball" will be the clearest evidence of the corny indie fuxx vote in the top 10.)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(cannonballo?)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

that was my typo, btw

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The only thing that can surprise me now is if the order of CP and GIITH are reversed.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

wait a minute

yes

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(cannonballo?)

it was only released in the Italian markets

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it's easier if you cut and paste

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

no number ones for Cannonball?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cannonballo was the best song ever, really. No one knows exactly what happened to the tapes. What you hear in "Cannonball" is a pale imitation of the glory of the original "Cannonballo"

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a weird instrumental demo of "Cannonball" on a mix tape from a long time ago. Maybe that's "Cannonballo."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

to forestall criticism, i want djdee to remember that q-tip is on the probable no. 2 track.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

http://galeed.co.uk/bbbp2000/images/cball.jpg

"awoooooo-ooooooooooooooooh!"

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - q-tip's on the new r.e.m. album: THAT MEANS NOTHING

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

deee-lite is for the heads AND the anglophiles

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

if only Canon & Ball had done Bootsy's bits on Groove Is IN The Heart it would've beaten The Joker to the #1 spot back in 1990

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone told me that Lady Miss Kier is a cow, which put me off Deee-Lite a bit.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

no she's a human

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm so gullible.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

credulous even

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

cow? how now?

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

mickey mouse has grown up a cow

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"for all the lady miss kiers"

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

#2

DEEE-LITE - "Groove Is In the Heart" (1056 points, 53 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGPORTRAITS/music/portrait200/drp000/p067/p06710uvs0v.jpg
http://www.limelight-records.fr/images/EKR114T.JPG

"there must be some way we can scientifically prove that "Groove Is in the Heart" is the most perfect song ever recorded ???"
-- Sonny A.

" "Groove Is In The Heart" has the secret power of being fun to dance to even if you can't dance. It's genius, obviously."
-- Tim Finney

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

always the bridesmaids...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer 'Deep Ending'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

no "juicy", either? i don't have my ballot, but i think i put it no. 4. but it's plausible that it wouldn't appear here at all. common people is definitely around the corner.

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i think "juicy" was way down there buried between pulp b-sides

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

People, really! Groove Is In The Heart is a much better somg than Common People!

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I've never heard of #2 either.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

so Common People did it after all, eh?

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

juicy is way up the top somewhere. NO SCRUBS FOR #1 YAY!!!!

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Juicy" was #35.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

But after a download, it appears I have *heard* it.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(sigh)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Juicy was 35.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Towa Towa looks so young

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, near identical x-post with jaymc

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

quickest download ever

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

omg if No Scrubs won...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, sorry guys, i often forget that i use that "show last 200 post only" thing now

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

#1 Notorious BIG - Things Done Changed

DOPESMOKER (smile), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

#1 Boo Radleys - Lazarus

OMG YESSS!!!!!

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa, 780 (breeders) to 1056 (deee-lite) pts. - what a jump.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

INFORMER

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

#1 Right Said Read - "I'm Too Sexy"

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Fred not read.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Kev not write

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

common informed scrubs done changed for the sexier

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

now THAT'S a mash-up

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, after all this, I think I'd rather not know what's #1. let's all go home.

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah no need to belabor the last one...

just post it already

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Kinda weird that cannonball got ZERO first place votes ...

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear has left the building

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

after him!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Melissa, exactly how young *are* you?

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe people felt Common People was sell-out Pulp, and wanted to vote for the 'real' Pulp.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"Groove Is in the Heart" really is a fantastic record, no?

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I am still baffled as to why liking DI makes one a corny indie fuck nowadays.

COS I AM A CORNY INDIE FUXXX WET DREAM.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm 21.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

#1 Boredoms - Super Going

Seriously though, how did this not even make the list?

DOPESMOKER (smile), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Hiya Di!

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it was a US only thing?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It was on my list, but only at the end, then it got bumped for something.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

never heard 'Super Going'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't care about The Boredoms at all
i'm sure it'll earn me enemies to say, but noise is way overrated

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

#1

PULP - "Common People" (1387 points, 61 votes, 5 first place votes)

http://www.citadelrecords.com/cdsin/ju0511.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

This canon is balls.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

the english "pretty fly for a white guy"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

well at least we know it's anything but common

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

607 points between #3 and #1, which alone would place a song in the top ten.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe people thought Everlong was going to make the poll.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

perfect marriage of indie and pop values - and together those two styles will always be more popular among savvy and largely white audience/readership than hiphop, rave etc.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

100.- PALACE MUSIC - "New Partner",
100.- AIR - "All I Need"
098.- MADONNA - "Deeper and Deeper",
098.- TEENAGE FANCLUB - "The Concept"
097.- WU-TANG CLAN - "Shame On A Nigga"
096.- BEASTIE BOYS - "Intergalactic"
095.- MADONNA - "Ray of Light"
094.- CORNERSHOP - "Brimful of Asha"
092.- BJORK - "Human Behaviour",
092.- ORBITAL - "Belfast"
091.- ISOLEE - "Beau Mot Plage"
090.- ARAB STRAP - "The First Big Weekend"
089.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Hypnotize"
088.- THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "The Luckiest Guy On the Lower East Side"
087.- PAVEMENT - "Shady Lane"
086.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Like A Motorway"
085.- SLOWDIVE - "Alison"
083.- LAMB - "Gorecki",
083.- APHEX TWIN - "Girl/Boy Song"
081.- BLUR - "Song 2",
081.- DIGITAL UNDERGROUND - "Humpty Dance"
079.- DE LA SOUL - "A Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays",
079.- MASSIVE ATTACK - "Angel"
078.- THE PIXIES - "Alec Eiffel"
077.- EMINEM - "My Name Is"
076.- DESTINY'S CHILD - "Say My Name"
075.- NAUGHTY BY NATURE - "O.P.P."
074.- BASEMENT JAXX - "Rendez-Vu"
073.- OASIS - "Live Forever"
072.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "When You Sleep"
071.- THE CURE - "Pictures of You"
070.- NOTORIOUS B.I.G. featuring PUFF DADDY and MASE - "Mo Money, Mo Problems"
069.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Avenue"
068.- SAINT ETIENNE - "You're In A Bad Way"
067.- SAINT ETIENNE - "Nothing Can Stop Us"
066.- JEFF BUCKLEY - "Hallelujah"
065.- PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"
064.- ORBITAL - "Halcyon"
063.- LL COOL J - "Mama Said Knock You Out"
062.- MISSY ELLIOTT - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
061.- HAPPY MONDAYS - "Kinky Afro"
060.- WU-TANG CLAN - "C.R.E.A.M."
059.- BJORK - "Joga"
058.- PULP - "This Is Hardcore"
057.- TLC - "Creep"
056.- THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - "Cherub Rock"
055.- UNDERWORLD - "Cowgirl"
054.- THE KLF - "Last Train To Trancentral"
053.- PORTISHEAD - "Sour Times"
052.- MADONNA - "Vogue"
051.- MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt. II"
050.- PULP - "Do You Remember the First Time?"
049.- MAZZY STAR - "Fade Into You"
047.- AALIYAH - "One In A Million"
047.- WHITE TOWN - "Your Woman"
046.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "To Here Knows When"
045.- BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "Stars of Track and Field"
044.- R.E.M. - "Losing My Religion"
043.- THE ORB - "Little Fluffy Clouds"
042.- THE MAGNETIC FIELDS - "100,000 Fireflies"
040.- BLUR - "Coffee and TV"
040.- ICE CUBE - "It Was A Good Day"
039.- THE KLF (FEATURING TAMMY WYNETTE) - "Justified and Ancient"
038.- PULP - "Babies"
037.- PET SHOP BOYS - "Can You Forgive Her?"
036.- OMNI TRIO - "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Mix)"
035.- THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - "Juicy"
034.- NEW RADICALS - "You Get What You Give"
033.- PET SHOP BOYS - "Being Boring"
032.- PULP - "Disco 2000"
030.- FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON - "Papua New Guinea"
030.- BRITNEY SPEARS - "Baby One More Time"
029.- OL' DIRTY BASTARD (FEATURING KELIS) - "Got Your Money"
028.- UNDERWORLD - "Born Slippy NUXX"
027.- TRICKY - "Black Steel"
026.- SAINT ETIENNE - "He's On the Phone"
025.- 2PAC - "California Love"
024.- DEPECHE MODE - "Enjoy the Silence"
023.- DAFT PUNK - "Da Funk"
022.- THE CARDIGANS - "Lovefool"
021.- BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - "The State I Am In"
020.- JAY-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
019.- DAFT PUNK - "Around the World"
018.- DR. DRE - "Nuthin' But A G Thang"
017.- SINEAD O'CONNOR - "Nothing Compares 2 U"
016.- STARDUST - "Music Sounds Better With You"
015.- MASSIVE ATTACK - "Unfinished Sympathy"
014.- BECK - "Loser"
013.- AALIYAH - "Are You That Somebody?"
012.- NIRVANA - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
011.- BLACKSTREET - "No Diggity"
010.- BJORK - "Hyperballad"
009.- RADIOHEAD - "Paranoid Android"
008.- APHEX TWIN - "Windowlicker"
007.- WARREN G - "Regulate"
006.- NEW ORDER - "Regret"
005.- GETO BOYS - "Mind Playing Tricks On Me"
004.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "Soon"
003.- THE BREEDERS - "Cannonball"
002.- DEEE-LITE - "Groove Is In the Heart"
001.- PULP - "Common People"

i'll try to finish assembling these tonight when i get home and be sharing on slsk in case anyone's interested.

thanks Gear! it's been fun

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah - you've been great, Gear!

the english "pretty fly for a white guy"

This is a bit harsh on America.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

ALBUMS!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

well that was my #1 so I can't complain.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

looking forward to seeing the full list, as in every track that got a vote - to see where 'Everlong' and 'Chime' and everything else placed

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Thanks Gear. I'm surprised - no Vanilla Ice, no Kylie, no Right Said Fred, no Snap - lots of oddness.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think only 5 songs I voted for made it in

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

78 first place votes accounted for in the results. how many ballots were there?

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

19 of mine made it, so I can't really complain, but neither of my nominations did.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i was pretty confident my number one album (OKC) would place highly, but really I had no idea Common People had such across-the-board appeal on ILM. Makes sense I guess.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

obv. the album poll hasn't been released, but I'm sure OKC will be up there is what I mean

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

my first place vote didn't make it.
but 21 of my 30 did

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

and one of my noms made the list (Being Boring at #33) and one didn't (Autobiography)

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

there were about 50 #1 votes that didn't show up because they placed outside the top 100. somewhere between 120-130 ballots total.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

thank you, Gear! Good work. And just in time too! (I wuz just clocking off)

I think this is a pretty great chart. Lots I've never heard tho', including (AFAIK) that Geto Boys song.

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm 21.

makes sense that you haven't heard those then, seeing as you were seven-years-old when the decade started.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm happy w/it in the end. Good work, Gear!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

That's good of john to explain it to Melissa!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear you good you guy you go, guy, go!

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

makes sense that you haven't heard those then, seeing as you were seven-years-old when the decade started.

Not really. I'm 21 and I was definitely aware of Regulate when it dropped. But maybe I was just more into hip-hop then. I donno though, it was pretty everpresent.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything warren g. was bigger in europe than in the states (maybe just the continent though, i know thatcherandblairland has anti-dancing statutes on the books and a brave < /hongro > refusal to truck with no hip-hop).

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, thanks for the work, even though I'm disappointed with the results.
(you didn't use the voting machines from Ohio, by any chance?)

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That's good of john to explain it to Melissa!

more i was explaining it to myself aloud, cuz i just couldn't understand not hearing these songs. but then, i'm a weezy old geezer.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

when i was 7 i was well aware of what were the popular songs of the time - but i was in britain and my parents weren't draconian. not that i'm suggesting melissa's were or owt, jsl.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

what if captain kirk hadnt make remix of "common people"? would you still have remembered it?....still cool chart. apart from the moron dull indie rockers now and then. :)

karl76 (karl76), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the Shatner version had *nothing* to do with the placing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

what if captain kirk hadnt make remix of "common people"? would you still have remembered it?

stick it to 'em!

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, look at all that brit-pop in the top twenty. djdee, you are the biggest idiot ever. sorry.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaliyah was a regular down at the Good Mixer.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely loved this poll (25 of the songs I voted for made it!). Thanks Gear! To me, its singles what really matter so I'm not that excited to see the albums poll results.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything warren g. was bigger in europe than in the states (maybe just the continent though, i know thatcherandblairland has anti-dancing statutes on the books and a brave < /hongro > refusal to truck with no hip-hop).

No, Regulate was plenty big here too. No one was actually dancing to it, mind.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I knew "Regulate" until today either FWIW. I definitely knew "Groove Is in the Heart' (which I loved) and "Regret" (which i didn't) when they came out though. I didn't really pay attention to hip-hop in the 90s.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I had absolutely NO idea what the popular songs of the day were when I was 7. I just wasn't interested in music. 1990 was a watershed year for me because I started to consciously pay attention to the radio. I was 11.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

As for "Regulate," I vaguely remember it coming out, but I couldn't sing it to you now.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

phew ;)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm in mourning for Chime

(I also forgot to vote - I could have pushed radiohead out of the top ten dammit!)

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with jaymc, most of these songs I never heard, mostly because I grew up in the sticks of NC. Of the other ones, I only heard them in the late 90s at the earliest.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and I still liked the list. I downloaded each track as it was announced, so I've at least heard everything now.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Was "Regulate" that big, like comparable to "Mama Said Knock You Out" or "Poison" in its popularity and ubiquity?

Oh yeah, I haven't heard most of the songs on the list of winners or nominations.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"wow, look at all that brit-pop in the top twenty. djdee, you are the biggest idiot ever. sorry."

Considering his main point was mostly how doofus-y it is to have 5 songs each by Pulp and St Etienne in the top 100, I'd say it's the dickhead who is deliberately misreading him who is the bigger idiot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"regulate" was everywhere; as big as "mama said" and "poison." i remember (DORK ALERT!) that when this song came out (8th, 9th grade?) my friend and i used to simultaneously bark "regulatooooors! mount UP!" before going on bike rides. and this is in the sticks of va, mind you!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

haha if me and a friend are walking to my car i'll still do that occasionally

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

and i always loved nate dogg cuz his voice was very much a choral one, and me being in the choir, this was hella cool (i always tried to sing like mick jagger in the choir before i heard him!).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

That strikes me as the cutest thing ever for some reason.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i did it LAST NIGHT blount when a friend and i were about to play gta:sa!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

brits and anglophiles ruining ILM once again.

I still use the "regulators, mount up!" line. it makes me feel gangsta.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Lack of Chime suggests that either that fewer British people voted than everyone upthread assumed, or that the average age of the British ILM poster is much less than thirty. I also suspect that the Pulp/St Etienne overload has more to do with a particular strain of US anglophilia than any avalanche of UK voters.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

rickyt otm re: fifth column

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd never heard the Geto boys track, so I just nabbed it off slsk, and I like it, well done ILx, now, about voting fucking radiohead so high, we need to have words

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Was "Regulate" that big, like comparable to "Mama Said Knock You Out" or "Poison" in its popularity and ubiquity?

Errr... what is 'Poison'? You're not talking about the Prodigy track, are you?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I assumed Bell Biv Devoe.

"Regulate" was probably too late for me, since I'd started listening to rock by then.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Bel Biv Devoe's "Poison" which was also ubiquitous for its time.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

one last personal memory associated to a song in this poll: the first time i ever saw my father's MUCH younger second wife dance, it was to "groove is in the heart," and suddenly i had a CRUSH ON MY STEPMOTHER which confused and worried me for almost all of my adolescence.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

or that awful soft rock thing that I can't remember who it's by? The one that goes "your lips like venomous poison" jeez that's famous isn't it. but I've (thankfully) blanked it out my head

This Geto boys song is *very* good

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never even heard of Bel Biv Devoe, let alone 'Poison'. Wow!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(is this just me? Can other non-Americans comment?)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

!!! dude, download poison now, it's grebt!!! and, while yr at it, download mariah's "vision of love," a song i wish i had nominated.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I couldn't name you a single BBD song to be honest

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

what is this 'booty' thing you keep referring to?

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

It is just you. Bel Biv Devoe = the other three out of New Edition. Poison wasn't overwhelmingly huge herem but it was a reasonably big hit.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I am very familiar with 'Vision Of Love'. I don't want to download it, thnx.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine a single junio high/high school age American not knowing "Poison" so color me shocked.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i think this poll would be dramatically different if every british ilxor were transported across the atlantic and back in time to visit an american middle-school dance circa 1991 and 1995.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i think this poll would be dramatically different if every british ilxor were transported across the atlantic and back in time to visit an american middle-school dance circa 1991 and 1995. and, vice versa, if every american ilxor were forced to... uhh... hang out in milk bars? art studios?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

'Poison' got to No. 19 in 1990. OK.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

milk bars? art studios?

Ha ha - I love this.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

It would be dramatically more diverse which is strange cuz I always think of British charts as being much more hyperactive and mutable than their American counterparts.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

They are, but the problem is you end up with a much bigger spread of favourites. Look at the way the rave vote was split, frexample.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I was also in 8th or 9th grade when Regulate came out, and it was *massive* in Finland. One of those hits I would've never forgot, even if I wouldn't have heard it after that.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Porkpie, are you talking about Alice Cooper's comeback hit "Poison"?! I meant Bel Biv Devoe of course. 'Kay, looking up the dates clears things up a bit. By '94 I was listening to rock and jazz pretty exclusively. '90, '91 I still knew the hits.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Why would it make it more diverse if we were all picking tracks from American middle school dances?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

FYI, #101-110

232 pts, 12 votes
Boards of Canada – “Turquoise Hexagon S

232 pts, 10 votes, 1 first place
Blur - "For Tomorrow

228 pts, 14 votes, 1 first place
Beltram - "Energy Flash"

225 pts, 15 votes, 1 first place
Gin Blossoms Hey Jealousy

223 pts, 12 votes
Souls of Mis "93' Til Infinity" - Souls of Mischief

220 pts, 19 votes
Radiohead - "Airbag"

220 pts, 11 votes
Yo La Tengo - "Tom Courtenay"

219 pts, 13 votes
Right Said Fred - I'm Too Sexy

215 pts, 14 votes
Betty Boo - “Where Are You Baby?”

214 pts, 11 votes
galaxie 500 'fourth of july'


also, "Chime" clocked in with 8 votes, 105 points. nowhere near the runners-up to the runners-up, unfortunately.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

jesus, it would have had a number one vote from me as well :o(

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Why would it make it more diverse if we were all picking tracks from American middle school dances?

cuz once you see some hottie doing the running man to some c-level new jack swing cut yr life is CHANGED

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a shame about '4th of July'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

and also Tom Courtenay, which would have been high up on my list

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(a long ago subject) I don't agree about British music being better either, but my list had a bit more UK than US stuff. I guess being more immersed in your own country's stuff, because it is played disproportionately in most places, gives you more of a taste for it - I don't think there's a way to settle an argument about whether Underworld/Orbital/Massive Attack are better or worse than Wu-Tang/Eminem/Shadow (to mention six acts that I've voted for), but it's been harder for me to hear much US hip hop than to hear UK dance music, so I probably have developed more love for the latter. (Not for UK indie though - much as I adore Pulp, they are an exception for me. I suspect I have no more love for Belle & Sebastian than the angriest Americans here.)

18 of mine made it in, and my #1 made #1, so I can't really complain. I am very surprised that No Scrubs and Mmmbop didn't make it, though, less so about most of the others. Who has the most typically ILM taste, as measured by getting most of their picks in? And the least? I think 25 is the top and 5 the bottom so far cited.

Great work, Gear!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking at the whole list, I really like it. I have no particular love towards "Common People", but I'm glad it won instead of "Paranoid Android" or "Smells Like Teen Spirit". The biggest surprises are probably that New Radicals song being on the list (I love it, but I thought it's the sort of song ILM hates), "Lovefool" placing so high, and "Unfinished Sympathy" placing so low (I really thought it would be in the top 5).

I've never heard neither "Regret" nor "Cannonball", by the way.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I really, really hated new jack swing. She had better have been damn hot.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

228 pts, 14 votes, 1 first place
Beltram - "Energy Flash"

225 pts, 15 votes, 1 first place
Gin Blossoms Hey Jealousy

Crikey. Energy Flash only three votes better than Hey Jealousy. You can't blame that one on the British contingent.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, fucking foo fighters.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow!

How come "Poison" wasn't nominated, anyway? Was that the one that Roxy was pushing for? I seriously think that could've gone top 40.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

my happiest surprise while tallying was seeing how high "Cannonball" was going to place.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I really must hear 'Hey Jealousy'. The talk of it intrigues me.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Where are you Baby was my number 2. My number one must be even lower. And my number 5 is there too (Right Said Fred)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear! 'Cannonball' straddled the US-UK divide in a way that a surprising number of things obviously failed to.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

what was your number one again?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

xp

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

you'll soon be asleep, n.

someone earlier mentioned "cannonball" as an indie fuxor song, and based on who plays it, sure. but musically it's pure contrived over-the-top pop. if kylie did it instead it would've been no. 1!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

hey jealousy is a cunt of a record (in the Mike Read sense)

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Alba, it's rubbish. You are missing nothing.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I really, really don't understand the 'I'm Too Sexy' popularity. I don't dislike it or anything, but... it's one of those times where I start reverting to the crappy old "You're liking it ironically, right?" thing.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, my number one was Wish Fulfillment, By Sonic Youth. Didn't think it would show up though, it's just the song I like the most.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and the biggest, most obvious omission from the list is "Protection". It wasn't nominated, I don't know why. I probably should've done it, but I thought someone else surely would. I would've definitely voted it for the number one spot.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

120 pts, 7 votes, 1 first place for Wish Fulfillment

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

As for 'I'm too Sexy' - it's a great track. I don't know how you explain songs appeal really. Deeply Dippy, as I said elsewhere, is my genuine favourite song of the 90s, so partly it got voted for by proxy.
Cool, thanks Gear.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess when I mentioned "Cannonball" as an indie fuxxor song, I was thinking mostly of it being a song that kids listening to alt-rock in the early 90s were well aware of and probably still like, what with its Pixies cred and all.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, what about "Everlong" in the end?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I would certainly have voted for 'Protection', Tuomas, as a track or album. Sorry your 'Rhythm Is A Dancer' flopped - I told you you should have picked 'The Power!'.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

So close Hey Jelousy, so close

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I put 'Rhythm is a Dancer' at 11.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Was I the only one to vote for "Antarctica"?
And, did only three of us vote for "Wilmot"?

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

One was me!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(where is the 'Wilmot' tally?)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone who wasn't me vote for Orlando?

Atnevon (Atnevon), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

everlong - 191 pts, 9 votes, 2 first place

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like "Protection" the album that much, but the single is my all-time favourite song of the nineties. Gear, could you tell us how many points did "Rhythm Is a Dancer" get?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

101pts, 5 votes, 1 first place

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone who wasn't me vote for Orlando?

I voted for "Just for a Second"

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

gah, so fucking close! It's still sad that we could get the Geto Boys to #5 but couldn't even make a dent with the Gin Blossoms. Some day, perhaps.

I really must hear 'Hey Jealousy'. The talk of it intrigues me.

Ah, it was all worth it.

Curious, of the "Hey Jealousy" haters out there, when was the last time you heard the song?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

gear, could you please post the Disco Inferno votes?

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Ginuwine's "Pony" was a lock for top 50. Isn't that a song that all the Ilxors are supposed to love because of its timbaland association? Its so great!!!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Also really sucks about Beltram being so close, my vote would've put it over if I had seen that it was nominated. I really don't get what happened there.

I'm a little bit disappointed with the results in that the great majority of my favorites didn't place, and those that did were really quite low. Still, a very cool top ten--and much less obvious than I expected.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but "Are You That Somebody?" is more loved and more quintescentially Timbaland (although why both couldn't make it is the MYSTERY of 5 Pulp and St Etienne songs. . . okay I'll stop.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

122 pts, 8 votes
disco inferno its a kid's world (13)

136 pts, 5 votes,
disco inferno love's stepping out (24)

162 pts, 8 votes, 1 first place
disco inferno "Summer's Last Sound",

207 pts, 10 votes, 1 first place
Disco Inferno - "The Last Dance"

also

200 pts, 12 votes, 1 first place
ginuwine "Pony",

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Deej, "Pony" is OK but it's not nearly the classic you're making it out to seem.

Though I'm a bit surprised Blackstreet gets #11 and Ginuwine doesn't make it at all, yeah.

The GOod Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not surprised at all about Disco Inferno not making it, btw. I'd never even heard of the band until ILX and I imagine I'd still be in the dark otherwise. The folks who like D.I. really like 'em, yeah, but it's a small group.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Ginuwine's "Pony" was a lock for top 50. Isn't that a song that all the Ilxors are supposed to love because of its timbaland association? Its so great!!!

This is quite something! You manage to maintain superiority regardless of whether it makes the poll. Seriously, that's rad work.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I knew DI would split votes like crazy but I hoped that "The Last Dance" had enough of a reputation to set it apart. Guess not--that's really a shame though. I suppose they'll be much better represented by D.I. Go Pop in the albums poll, but that album really isn't close to as classic as the EPs (which, you'll notice, are the source of all the songs nominated--none on the LP are nearly as good as those four).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ANNOUNCEMENT RE: THE ALBUMS POLL

I'm going to finish working on it this weekend and I'll get to posting it in a week or so.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Pony may not be YOUR classic, but its certainly mine.

You manage to maintain superiority regardless of whether it makes the poll. Seriously, that's rad work.

What does this even mean?

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I last heard Hey Jealousy about five years ago. My ex's housemate used to play it all the bloody time.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate to state the obvious, but you should really listen to it again without prejudice due to overexposure or bad memory associations or whatever. It's an urgent, catchy, passionate, really quite heartbreaking rock song.

I'm glad I never got around to doing the blurb I was planning on writing for "Hey Jealousy". It would've been an awful lot of passion and energy for a song that didn't even make the list.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

What does this even mean?

Sorry - bad English. I meant: we're fools for not voting it into the top 100, but even if we had done, it would only have been because we're obsessed with Timbaland.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

The folks who like D.I. really like 'em, yeah, but it's a small group.

apparently so - and I voted for two of those tracks; I imagine other DI voters did the same, so the actual # of different ppl who picked their songs is probably even lower than those totals suggest.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm about to listen to 'Hey Jealousy' - hold onto your hats.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Jealousy = classic, but only because I grew up with it

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry - bad English. I meant: we're fools for not voting it into the top 100, but even if we had done, it would only have been because we're obsessed with Timbaland.

OTM.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Did nobody vote for DJ Shadow's "High Noon" (my #1)?

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i voted for it, i think in my top 15

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

WHAT AN AMAZING SONG! Fuck the haters!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I was vaguely aware of "Hey Jealousy" growing up (heard it first on my bro's MTV Buzz Bin CD, I think) but it wasn't until I heard it for the first time in about a half-decade last year that I slowly began to realize what a fabulous song it was.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the best Gin Blossoms record to get??

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, Alba!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

New Miserable Experience is their most popular, and it's where you'll find that song.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

If you like "Hey Jealousy", get said album (New Miserable Experience). Check "Found Out About You".

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the pleat-panted alba will soon be appearing in b-list indie films about early-'90s san francisco

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

TELL ME MORE ABOUT THESE PLEATED PANTS

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"Found Out About You" is actually the better song!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

TEH NU ALBA

http://dickiesonsale.com/pleatedpants.jpg

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously? The fucking Gin Blossoms?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I voted for High Noon as well.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Before this gets out of hand I ought to clarify that I actually thought it was bad. Really, really bad. Sorry.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

you don't like candy-ass replacements rips?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

*sigh of relief*

xpost

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i do.

x-post

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I was trying to think of something I liked about it, but all I could end up with was patronising conceits about driving a first car in suburban America.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

B-b-but the candy-assness is what made them better than The Replacements! I only liked The Replacements when they were hopeless pussies! (see "Within Your Reach" for the best example)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it weird that "beau mot plage" beat "energy flash". the final list looks really good (from the tracks that i know on it anyway), the hip hop especially.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think it made them better, Dan, but it gave them a purpose. The Replacements couldn't work up the same dippy enthusiasm for lightweight stuff that the Gin Blossoms did, cuz they weren't as dippy. I should buy that hits comp: best of both albums plus "Til I Hear It From You."

why is it that I tend to love negative reviews of stuff I like more than positive ones?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

seriously, alba's line about an American's first car is terrific.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I should have developed it!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I often think that a lot of music would have made sense to me if I'd grown up in the suburbs, or a small town, in America or otherwise. But then, as I said, I feel like I'm being a patronising twat and I shut myself up.

I do kind of envy that whole thing, though.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm guessing if Doug Hopkins (the suicide who wrote "Hey Jealousy") was also the singer, the song would have had more Westerbergian-ache. Instead Robin somethingorother sang it.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

did anyone else vote for "give it to you"?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I would have voted for "High Noon" - maybe I didn't see it on the nominations list or something.

Out of curiosity, how many votes did "Gloomy Sunday" get? "The Diamond Sea"?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hey Jealousy" is nice but it's no "No Rain" or "Downtime".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like to thank "Hey Jealousy" for not being "No Rain." I forget what "Downtime" is. Is that by the Tragically Hip? I ask because you are a canadian.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So, who voted for Kylie?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus Alba, you had me worried there!

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, how many votes did "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong" get?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, was two princes nominated? I didn't see it...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man WHERE WAS NOVEMBER RAIN?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!

NOVEMBER RAIN?!!?!?!?!!!!!

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't like the Gin Blossoms. The man wears capri pants. CAPRI PANTS. ON A MAN.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Some notes.

1. New Miserable Experience is their first and essentially only album. The main songwriter killed himself after being kicked out of the band (alcohol related issues, I believe) and though they still wrote some great songs ("Follow You Down," maybe "Day Job") afterwards it wasn't quite the same.

2. "Hey Jealousy" is by far the band's best, but "Follow You Down," "Til I Hear it From You," "Found Out About You" and "Lost Horizons" are all excellent as well.

3. The Replacements are a good comparison (especially "Within Your Reach"), and though I wouldn't go so far as to call the Gin Blossoms better (I might like HJ more than any individual Mats song but they're still the better band) I do think much of the urgency and sound is the same.

4. I don't see how the "Westerberg-ian ache" that Anthony talks about is at all absent from "Hey Jealousy." In fact, with the possible exception of "Unsatisfied," I think that Robin Wilson nails the Westerberg-ian ache better than Westerberg himself ever did. It's one of rock and roll's ultimate glory shots, and he sings it so passionately and so within an inch of myself, that I couldn't believe it was him and not Hopkins that was singing. That last part--"Hey Jealousy / 'coz she took my heart"--he just barely warbles it out, almost too emotionally overcome and embarrassed to say it out loud. His voice even cracks like Westerberg's.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(Jeff does raise a good point there.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

In fact, with the possible exception of "Unsatisfied," I think that Robin Wilson nails the Westerberg-ian ache better than Westerberg himself ever did.

NEIN!

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

#852 (out of 350)

SPIN DOCTORS - "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread seems to also really be reflecting the initial prejudices everyone seems to have against the Gin Blossoms for being so associated with shitty adult contemporary of the 90s, when in fact the song belongs far more to an 80s alternative lineage (especially the big Minneapolis bands of the time, Replacements, Huskers, Soul Asylum, etc.) It's the same reason that nobody takes the Goo Goo Dolls seriously, even though they also wrote one of the best songs of the decade with "Name" (and a couple other lesser ones that are still pretty great). Being played on your top 40 stations instead of your local college radio stations isn't their fault and should not be held against them.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The Gin Blossoms are a very good argument to support the theory that the main reason I dislike The Replacements is because I was too young to appreciate them when I first heard them.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Downtime" is by the Gandharvas, who are even more provincial than the Tragically Hip.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

pls move gin blossoms discussion here: Give it up for the fucking Gin Blossoms

k? thnx. bye.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

What exactly makes this song so un-Westerbergian, Anthony?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoops, I was totally confusing the two too. Johnny Rzeznik, the guy from the goo goo dolls wears capri pants. I don't know if the vocalist for the gin blossoms wears any pants at all.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The two groups really have a lot in common.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the song itself is Westerbergian (that was the first thing I said). I just think Robin Wilson doesn't have the same level of fear/frustration/desperation/smart-stupid second-guessage that Westerberg (and probably Hopkins) had in his delivery. This isn't a BAD thing, it makes the song more pop. I just don't hear the same intelligence and anxiety in Wilson's performances, though there's enough sympathy that it doesn't come off completely absurd (like, I dunno, Linda Rondstandt singing Elvis Costello's "Allison").

Basically Johnny and Robin have a little too much Jon Bon Jovi in them to be Paul Westerberg. This doesn't nullify their ability to make good stuff (Jon Bon wrote some good stuff), it just makes them different.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Robin wrote "Alison Road." Westerberg wrote "Answering Machine."

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"name" is better than any gin blossoms but maybe thats just cuz it was playing at the airport when i had to say goodbye to a certain someone for the last time ever back in 95 and omg it was just like an episode of friends waaaah waaaaaaaaaaaah

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think maybe there's a bit of a difference in attitude between Wilson and Westerberg, but I think it's coming from the same place. Westerberg shouted his fear/frustration/desperation, he was young and pissed off and eternally unsatisfied, he was bruised but he was fighting. On "Hey Jealousy," Wilson sounds to me sort of like a man defeated, who wants to hang on to his last shred of hope, but is too world-weary and too honest with himself--he's drunk now so he's pouring out his heart and saying everything he's ever wanted to say but couldn't, but he knows that once he's sobered up it'll all be for nothing and he'll just seem old and pathetic. It's too little and too late and he sings it like he knows it. It's Westerberg all right, but five or so years later--All Shook Down instead of "Bastards of Young".

Needless to say, I don't see him on par with Jon Bon Jovi at all (nor do I see "Hey Jealousy" as being just a really good pop song).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I will say that I do sort of see what you're saying applying to Johny Rzeznik. There was some passion and rawness in his voice, but not really enough to carry a song as hurting as "Name"--fantastic songwriter, so-so vocalist.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i am disappointed (tho not surprised) that "summer girls" didnt make it
i am saddened that "watch out now" didnt make it
i am oddly relieved that "everlong" didnt make it (even tho i was one of the 9 who voted for it (i think))

artiste (artiste), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Watch Out Now" was the last song to make my cut, so I wasn't surprised it didn't make it. I am very surprised "Energy Flash" ended up where it did..

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Gear (ha, I typed Geir first time!) should ignore the 'where did X place?' questions, and just post the whole of the scoring when he has time.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(Geir can also ignore such questions)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I just can't hear the All Shook Down-and-after wisdom and weariness in Wilson's voice. I bring up Jon Bon because I think Robin and Johnny Rzeznizkz (aside from some early sozzled moments circa Hold Me Up) aren't doomed to sounding "old and pathetic." They've got some spine and less on the mind. In the long run their pros in a way Westerberg can't be (though admittedly Westerberg was trying from '88-'98 abouts).

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

With any other Gin or Goos song (except "Lost Horizons," but even that is a bit too sweet to truly be pathetic) I'd agree with you, but not "Hey Jealousy". The song is without a doubt as desperate, frustrated and fearful as Westerberg ever was.

Matter of opinion at this point, I suppose. I'm glad you're even willing to talk about the song seriously.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

folks if you're enraptured by our tangent, feel free to watch it continue on the "let's here it for the Gin Blossoms" thread.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I've always preferred "Found Out About You," but hey.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

If "Found Out About You" was a little more energetic, it could easily have been on par with "Hey Jealousy". The chorus is fantastic but the song loses way too much steam on the verses.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

This discusion is great by the way. And I dont recommend any of their records.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

NME is about half classics and half duds. I don't listen to it all the way through much but it's worth owning for the classics.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It's interesting that the number of *votes* isn't increasing as we move through the top 20, rather, the songs higher in the chart are getting there because they placed higher -- on average -- in people's lists. This is stark contrast to the 00's poll, where the top songs got there more through sheer numbers of votes.
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(fixing my sentence so that it makes more sense)

6. NEW ORDER - "Regret" (647 points, 36 votes)
5. GETO BOYS - "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" (710 points, 33 votes)
4. MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "Soon" (735 points, 34 votes)
3. THE BREEDERS - "Cannonball" (780 points, 47 votes)
2. DEEE-LITE - "Groove Is In the Heart" (1056 points, 53 votes)
1. PULP - "Common People" (1387 points, 61 votes)

Of course, the trend I wrote about completely broke down once we hit the top three -- as noted by Gear, the point difference between #1 and #5 > no. of points given to #6. The consensus lauded on the top three (compared to the rest of the poll, and compared with the 00's poll) is remarkable ... about half of the people voted for "Common People" (~ 61/120) compared to about a third who voted for "Hey Ya" last time (~61/170). Even more significant -- there were TWICE as many songs to choose from on this poll (although we also listed twice as many songs on our ballots, do these effects cancel? I'm not sure). It helps explain the similar number of votes for most of the songs in the top 20, as well as the close packed nature of the top 100 as a whole (i.e. several ties, narrow point differentials, one less or one more vote for almost any song could have drastically changed its placing).

Great poll, Gear, thanks for all your hard work!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved this poll. Possibly because the 90s were my real formative years for music (teenager in the 80s, student/graduate with a disposable income in the 00s. My nominations came in at nos 2 and 39 - Groove is in the Heart and Justified and Ancient) respectively.

Where was Lazarus overall?

I liked how Cannonball came #3 but was no-one's favourite. The kind of song everyone loves, but no-one loves.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cannonball" is barely the third best song on that album, much less of the decade.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

student/graduate with a disposable income in the 00s.

make that pissed person in the 00s student/graduate with a disposable income in the 90s

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 11 November 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

It would have been nice to have seen "Genie In A Bottle," "Around The Way Girl," or "C'Mon N' Ride It (The Train)." And I'm happy to see that at least "'93 Til Infinity" made it close to the top 100.

I like this list, and I especially like how I've never heard 15 or 16 of these songs, although I assume the majority of them are techno, so they probably won't all fit on one CD. eh.

billstevejim, Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone said upthread they had put them all on soulseek, I think, so if you want to listen to them...

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Common People the best track of the Nineties? What? ILM is indie and rubbish.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

this is news?

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I hold out less hope for my will being done in the albums poll, and I only got 15 of my nominations here. It should be interesting.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone who wasn't me vote for Orlando?

"Just for a second" was my #1, AFAIK

fernando, Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, FUCK a bunch of Coffee and TV highest ranking Blur song, and fuck a PANTLOAD of Coffee and TV and Song 2 even placing, harumph, harumph, harumph. ILM, stop getting Blur wrong!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

blur has some nice lightweight songs and a cute asinine, trend-hopping singer/leader who couldn't write a lyric of substance to save his life, right? Did I get it right this time?

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I do wish I had the "best of." Nummy little bubblegums on that.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

:)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

blur has some nice lightweight songs and a cute asinine, trend-hopping singer/leader who couldn't write a lyric of substance to save his life, right?

This is totally otm, so why screw it up by putting some heavy handed bullshit on there instead of the nice, lightweight ones?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

but "Song 2" and "Coffee & TV" are the lightweight ones, aren't they? The heavy handed stuff is "Tender" and "The Universal" ain't it?

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Though I think "Girls & Boys" got robbed.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(p.s. I apologize for assuming you thought otherwise re: blur and putting the emoticon and basically behaving like a pud)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Girls and Boys makes me want to stab my ears with a fork.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

gluing steak to my ears make me wanna do that

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Girls and Boys is fucking great, but miccio i thought you were against criticizing THE LIST.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OK Gear, how did "MMMBop" do?

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Just for a second" was my #1, AFAIK

Fernando, did I speak with you on soulseek a few months ago? Dubstar?

And yes, Girls and Boys is better than either of those Blur songs that made it in. I would've voted for Country House too. Maybe. Like, if I had had an open spot. I didn't.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm against being a whiny bitch about it and accusing everyone of some horrific "ism," djdee. I just pointed out a song that I think deserved some love when the artist came up.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

my use of the phrase "wuz robbed" was pretty ironic. I find no serious injustice there.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Miccio, I don't like any of those songs except maybe the Universal. I like them best when they manage to maintain some kind of dignity. Girls and Boys is pretty great, but "For Tomorrow" pretty much sums everything I ever liked about Blur. It's classy.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

universal's a great karaoke song (duh). country house is surprisingly hard to sing, they really cram the words in, plus it's a naff tune.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

What "isms" did I accuse anyone of? I just said that "Pony" was robbed.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

freaknasty was robbed, that's what was robbed

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

robble robble

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and how about "Djed"?
(Didn't Gear suggest that he'd post all the results?)

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I have not heard (of) 30% of the top ten, including #1.
Suppose I ought to go a huntin'.
I too am astonished by Pony not placing.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the repetitive dirge of Girls and Boys that drives me nuts.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"dirge"?! Its the least dirge-like of any of their music!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the bit of music under say, "who do girls", those three 'sound' just repeat through the chorus - it's horrible.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

one last comment about the whole anglo vs. rap or whatever djdee was whining about (also alex in sf). the problem with your arguments is that you would of had absolutely no problem if five geto boys tracks made the list, or 5 tracks from your favorite southern rap (or any rap for the matter) artist. i have no problem with the list, no matter what happened.

i just think you kids are being a little hypocritical. i dont even like saint etienne and i dont give a fuck that 5 of their tracks showed up. its a poll that measures the likes and dislikes of ilm.

sure, its flawed. any poll is. get over yourselves.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - todd if you haven't changed your 'argument' four or five times now you might have a point (might)

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i think djdee changed his mind a few times as well, but whatever. no use bitching about a poll. i like the way it turned out. some people are sour about it.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

well since the poll does reflect the board i think a few people (more than a few maybe even)(though nowhere near the majority) might be sour that a significant chunk of the board has a 'whites only' policy when it comes to music yes.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

and that is why this and every poll is flawed in some way or another.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

The results certainly aren't 'whites only', blount, it's kind of unfair to suggest that people are operating a sonic apartheid, don't you think?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine in what universe 5 geto boys tracks would have made a list like this. So perhaps part of watching your favorite genre consistently marginalized is a part of it.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

well not everyone voted for the 'homophobe' option last tuesday either kg but they won anyway, here you don't even need a majority of the vote to get it twisted, just four or five st. etienne singles.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i understand that you can be upset that your favorite genre is marginalized, but you cant expect that result from a board in which the majority hasnt even heard 5 songs by the geto boys

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

the majority hasn't heard five songs by pulp either!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

My #1 was Tom Waits "Who Are You", which got no love, apparently.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but there were a lot of black artists on the list - not enough, maybe, but people did vote for them.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh come off it Geto Boys only have 3 good songs!


(kidding)

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

some people. some people voted for five or six pulp, five or six st. etienne and whatever the correct blur one is (not apparently 'song 2' or 'coffee and tv' or 'boys and girls'). really, taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve), this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought. ie. has anyone on the 'there was other even better music during the nineties besides british rock revivalism' "side" suggested four or five geto boys should've been there instead of four or five pulp?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I would like to state for the record that "Damn it Feels Good To Be A Gangsta" is my favorite song of all time. Not just favorite rap song, favorite song PERIOD.
If it was nominated on here ol' Tom Waits woulda been #2.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

michael bolton!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(it was me saying no to Boys and Girls, and I hate Blur in their entireity, as with Pulp, though both have one or two good songs. Britpop was mostly awful)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

My top four votes are slightly humorous in the context of this argument, and may prove or disprove someone's point, I dunno.
1. Tom Waits - "Who Are You"
2. Wu-Tang Clan – “Shame on a Nigga”
3. Pulp - "Common People"
4. Geto Boys - "Mind Playing Tricks on Me"

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

what album is that waits single from?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Bone Machine, recorded in Cotati, CA where I used to live.
I voted it #1 as a hometown pride thing (Waits also lives in Sonoma County, where I grew up). Plus the lyrics, singing and melody are fuckin rad.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

though the g-funk junior high dance canon is actually well represented on the list (Dr. Dre's probably the top producer on the list, right?), I am saddened that "This is how we do it" didn't make it, and would like to lodge a formal complaint with ILM or at the very least find out how it placed. And how did shimmy shimmy ya do, anyways?

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, where did the following place?

Sleater-Kinney - "Call the Doctor"
Mogwai - "Mogwai Fear Satan"
Cocteau Twins - "Summerhead"
Tricky - "Christiansand"
Dubstar - "Stars"
Slowdive - "Avalyn"

Also I realized that I'm not a CIF after all. Should I be relieved?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah and you r0x0r Gear!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, I have no idea how "What's My Name" and "Gin and Juice" weren't nominated -- one or both would have placed.

(xpost to Shmool)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

This is How We Do It was just Slick Rick's "Children's Story" with cornier lyrics wasn't it? Or am I thinking of something else?

Yeah I wanna know the Waits "Who Are You" results as well.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

hey djdee, did you post your ballot?

xp yeah snoop needed to get some love. and you're thinking of something else, aaron (do you mean Black Star - Children's Story? Children's Story is probably the most covered rap song ever)

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant the music. Some rap song ripped off the original music exactly.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm really not sure if I've heard Mind Playing Tricks On Me, but I must have.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeez Matt, download it. Totally worth it. Get "Damn it Feels Good to Be a Gangsta" and "Mind of A Lunatic" while you're at it.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard of the Geto Boys! I suspect I would like them though.

Did no one remember I Love Your Smile?! I thought that would be massively popular, but no.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope jess voted in this

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm kinda glad I didn't.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

bah

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Did no one remember I Love Your Smile?! I thought that would be massively popular, but no.

After seeing the video for another track with that Brian Green guy from 90210, my goodwill died stillborn.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, FUCK a bunch of Coffee and TV highest ranking Blur song, and fuck a PANTLOAD of Coffee and TV and Song 2 even placing, harumph, harumph, harumph. ILM, stop getting Blur wrong!

Roxy totally OTM. Song 2 getting into this list is maybe the biggest mindfuck of all.

I also calculated that if I'd remembered to vote for California Love it'd have been at about 21 instead of 29. Boo.

Ang big love to my man Snoop!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't even consider voting for any Saint Etienne tracks, but trying to equate voting for them to some kind of musical racism is lunacy. You can prefer indie pop to hip hop without having a whites-only musical policy - it's that simple. I haven't checked how many people did vote for white acts only, or almost only, but there are other reasons for tastes leaning in particular directions than racism. (In case I get accused, since I am one of those dubious characters who absolutely loves Pulp, most of my all-time favourite music, and the areas I found most badly underrepresented in this poll, is black.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Song 2 is universally popular tho - people who haven't even heard any other Blur songs know and like Song 2. it's appearance here is really just a reflection of it's ubiquity compared to all other Blur singles.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

was 'black music' really under-represented in this poll? it seems 50/50 - unless you suggest that given how most music is of black origin anyway that the ratio should be weighted more in it's favour or something?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, playing the race card here was pretty dumb
and desperate
and most of all, insulting on many levels

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

it's too bad we always get bogged down in these political issues. tho you may argue that polls are only ever a political exercise anyway. i'm relatively satisfied with the list tho because i like everything on it apart from the couple i've not heard.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Song 2 is one of only two Blur tracks I like at all (MOR is the other), but it didn't come very close to my votes.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

well since the poll does reflect the board i think a few people (more than a few maybe even)(though nowhere near the majority) might be sour that a significant chunk of the board has a 'whites only' policy when it comes to music yes.
-- cinniblount, November 11th, 2004.


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and that is why this and every poll is flawed in some way or another.
-- todd swiss, November 11th, 2004.


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The results certainly aren't 'whites only', blount, it's kind of unfair to suggest that people are operating a sonic apartheid, don't you think?
-- Kevin Gilchrist, November 11th, 2004.


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I can't imagine in what universe 5 geto boys tracks would have made a list like this. So perhaps part of watching your favorite genre consistently marginalized is a part of it.
-- djdee2005, November 11th, 2004.


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well not everyone voted for the 'homophobe' option last tuesday either kg but they won anyway, here you don't even need a majority of the vote to get it twisted, just four or five st. etienne singles.
-- cinniblount, November 11th, 2004.

Kevin points out that the results are not "whites only." Despite the overrepresentation of certain bands (none of which I am even really familiar with except in the vaguest way, incidentally), the list isn't a "whites only" list. I don't see where you really acknowledge that. Instead you continue to complain about too many selections from certain bands, while associating the results of this ILM poll with the recent U.S. presidential election (the results of which most of us think were very bad if not simply a disaster), something far more serious.

I don't think listening to music according to racial quotas makes a lot of sense, but I guess this language will lead to accusations that I subscribe to the National Review or have a eugenics meeting to attend, or the usual nonsense.

x-post: thank you Martin.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

also, anyone check out the top 40 charts/record sales lately?
in what universe is hip-hop marginalized?

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

in what universe is hip-hop marginalized?

England, c. 1990-99 ;)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

What should the ideal ratio be anyway? Should it represent the population of the English speaking world? The proportion of white to non-white recordings being produced in that world? What would be enough?

(As for blount, he has found a way to bully people and feel self-righteous at the same time. That's what it comes down to.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

some people. some people voted for five or six pulp, five or six st. etienne...taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve), this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought. ie. has anyone on the 'there was other even better music during the nineties besides british rock revivalism' "side" suggested four or five geto boys should've been there instead of four or five pulp?

In what world does Saint Etienne qualify as "British rock revivalism"? (or Pulp for that matter?!)

Like I said before, I voted for four Saint Etienne songs and three Pulp songs (I also nominated Quad City DJs if that matters, it apparently does for some reason...). Hey, maybe it's fanboyism -- they could be my two favorite artists ever -- but I'm not sure how not being 'bright' enters into it: Why is a strong connection with an artist a matter of having an improper level of intelligence or sub-CIF thought? Or, if this is what you're implying, why is voting/listening primarily with your head more proper than primarily voting/listening with your heart? (If anything, the "right" Saint Etienne songs just happened to be nominated. If a completely different five St. Et. songs were picked, there's no way they'd have all made it-- and if all five St. Et. LPs get in, that will be a bit puzzling.)

(fwiw, "Common People" won this by a significant margin, it's apparently not just a small group of racist fanboys voting for them.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the poll represents the priority of taste of the electorate - the complaint often seems to amount to nothing more than 'largely caucasian parish with relatively comfortable backgrounds not as into music made by people different to them as one might hope'

if the Geto Boys had made #1, there would probably be accusations of an offensive irony flying around (altho many genuinely like their track there still seems to be a sense that they are the token 'joke'/cool entry) - please nobody tell me how much they genuinely do like 'mind playin tricks on me' now tho. i don't care, i never heard it until it was nominated but don't consider that to be that big a flaw (lots of other tracks could've ended up in the position, including many from the omgwtflol poll which had accusations of quasi-racism flying around too). you can never win really.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i'm suggesting it's okay to be a CIF again...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ILM: Where All Polls Are Racial

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

well i certainly feel better now

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

as for rockist scientist he's found away to conveniently ignoring half a poster's comments (the half that would directly contradict his coloring of him but hey) in order to further to attempt to swipe amateurist's snark crown again (close, no cigar)(less self righteousness and halfassed bullying on your part would probably help)(the ability to read might also).

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Where did you respond to the point of the actual racial balance of the results, blount? (Or anyone else who wants to point me to it.) And what is it that you think I ignored?

I don't seem to be the only one who has "misunderstood" you here either.

I'd be interested in knowing who ILXors in general think resorts to bullying more, you or me, blount.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Blount v Rockist, who is more bully?

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

BULLY FOR YOU, OLD CHAP

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

let's have a look at what you coulda won

Diamond Jim Bowen (he was a bit racialist too y'know) (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that no matter why it made it, "Mind Playing Tricks on Me" making top five (and the highest rated rap song on the list!) is undeniably awesome.

Just sayin'.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

it doesn't seem to get revered the way tracks like 'california love' and 'regulate' do so it's high appearance seems very odd (or at least would if i didn't know better) - i imagine it would raise a lot of eyebrows among people who weren't aware of the CONSPIRACY

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Honestly, I didn't think "California Love" and "Regulate" were that revered either. I thought for sure Dre and Biggie would have the two top rap spots.

I figured the Geto Boys vote pooling would maybe get it into the top 40, I never would've guessed it'd make the top five.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

'California Love' and 'Regulate' were big hits in the UK. i assume they were more popular then MPTOM in the US too?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"the problem with your arguments is that you would of had absolutely no problem if five geto boys tracks made the list, or 5 tracks from your favorite southern rap (or any rap for the matter) artist."

I want to point out that if there were 5 songs by two rap artists, I would still have a problem with list and I would still be complaining at how dull and (Blount pegged it) fanboyish voting for the same artist nearly half a dozen times. That said IMO the list wouldn't suck as much if there were 5 songs each by Biggie and Dre or Nas and Wu-Tang or something.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

rockist i'm guessing it would maybe be where i said the skew of the results had less to do with race and more to do with fanboy enthusiasm. to take race COMPLETELY out of the equation (if not class) consider how the entire genre of country did in comparison to st. etienne. four st. etienne singles vs. zero country singles. what does this tell us? not many people on ilm like country while very many people on ilm like st. etienne alot. adjust the results very slightly and you can throw in dnb, house, etc. hip-hop DOES fare better as a genre, probably fares second best (distant second to revivalist rock), but on an appearance per artist basis, the most prolific appearance makers - biggie, wu-tang - equal blur and belle and sebastian (who according to some quarters are UNDERREPRESENTED on this poll), don't approach st. etienne or pulp. what does this mean? it means that ilm is primarily, overwhelmingly a rock-oriented and occasionally rock-blinkered board (i'm willing to wager there are considerably more ballots with only five or less non-rock votes than there are ballots with only five or less rock votes)(i'm definitely willing to wager there are more ballots with only rock than there are with only dnb or country). and here's the thing: IT PROBABLY ALWAYS HAS BEEN. if anything i'd bet this poll is less rock oriented than the 'greatest albums of all time' poll from the primordial ilm years. BUT let this be remembered the next time anyone (eg. rockist scientist) snarks about ilm's "popist" tendencies or pretends that hip-hop lovers on ilm aren't decidedly a minority (nevermind dnb, house, country, salsa, whatever), albeit a vocal one (odb fans more mouthy than belle and sebastian fans - whoda thunkit?). and let it also be remembered the next time any old grey ladies try to do us a favor (imho haha) and pretend ilm is a bastion from rockism instead of a bastion of rockism.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

'California Love' and 'Regulate' were big hits in the UK. i assume they were more popular then MPTOM in the US too?

Very much so.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

another thing: limit choices to ten instead of thirty and fanboy abberations disappear. give people thirty slots to fill and a significant chunk are gonna pick five by their fave act(s) if only to fill out the ballot.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

AND another thing: american "common people" isn't "pretty fly for a white guy" (even if race : america :: class : england), it's "friends in low places" - song about a girl that's really a song about class that's really a song about a girl (cf. the stones' "you can't always get what you want" - song about a girl that's really a song about "life" that's really a song about a girl).

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The thing about the UK charts, and music scene in general, is that in the 90s dance music was the UK what hip-hop was the US and that is definitely underepresented here.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I've just looked at the full list and realised that last post was bollocks. Carry on.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)" would be the perfect analogy if The Offspring were black.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

cinniblount otm re: "friends in low places."

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

but on an appearance per artist basis, the most prolific appearance makers - biggie, wu-tang - equal blur and belle and sebastian (who according to some quarters are UNDERREPRESENTED on this poll), don't approach st. etienne or pulp. what does this mean? it means that ilm is primarily, overwhelmingly a rock-oriented and occasionally rock-blinkered board..let this be remembered the next time anyone (eg. rockist scientist) snarks about ilm's "popist" tendencies

(Biggie placed 3 of his 4 nominated songs; Wu-Tang, 2 of 3; Blur placed 2 of 5 nominated songs; B&S placed 2 of 3, so they did do better than those other artist any way you look at it) BUT that's a small matter compared to making generalizations about the poll's two anomolies and this absolute fantasy that Saint Etienne is a rock band(?!) They've dabbled in pop, northern soul, yé-yé, exotica, acid house, techno, etc., but not rock...they've even arguably borrowed more from hip-hop than rock. Pulp, maybe, maybe is a rock band, although the songs of theirs that placed in this poll have more "popist" sensibilites than "rockist" ones -- even then these are hardly bands that create pop-structured songs that betray any sort of rockist tendencies, so I don't see how you can make that conclusion about those who listen to them.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

*sweeping generalizations based on the poll's two anomolies*

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

And what exactly is wrong with being a fan and voting for that particualr artist's songs? If you like them, who gives a shit? Enough people vote and it dilutes your's anyway. I don't partuculary like St. Etiene, but I realize a lot of people here like them a whole bunch and it really doesn't bother me that they show up five times out of 100 SONGS. Reading all this has moved beyond amusing into just silly and a little stupid and I'll shut up.

danh (danh), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I certainly hope there are at least five New Order songs on the 80s poll.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

but do you think it would be 'healthy' if all five made the top 100, regardless of how good the five songs were?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Healthy?

danh (danh), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

This cannot be repeated enough, I think:

The thing about the UK charts, and music scene in general, is that in the 90s dance music was [to] the UK what hip-hop was [to] the US.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

stevem, i am not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but i think that the best 100 songs should make it, no matter what. if there are 10 songs by a certain artist, let it be so.

it just would prove how good or how much of an impact that paticular artist had or has.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

bah autuerism now!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

by healthy i mean variety is good in these lists, in my opinion - esp. on a board called I Love Music which purports to have a wide range of tastes. so no i wasn't being sarcastic, even 3 songs by the same artist on such a short list is annoying!

and these things never reflect what's 'best', only what's the 'most popular/preferred'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i concede there can be a dishonesty there tho. i do actually appreciate the honesty in a list with three St Etienne songs in a row and whatever. but that's still a bit frustrating because so many other things got locked out because people wanted their personal favourite bands to be repped SO MUCH.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sensing that if one StEt tune was nominated, it would have placed top ten easily.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

on a completely free vote, there is no way I would have included 3 st etienne songs out of 30. but the choice was restricted, so 3 it had to be. nothing to do with fanboyish behaviour in my case.

(i didn't vote for any st etienne albums)

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

but if # of St. Etienne fans >> # of fans of people's personal faves, then what can you do?
I mean, the poll is kind of like an election, say you have five candidates, the guy with the most votes wins and the hardcore supporters of the other candidates get shut out.
Limiting the number of noms for any one artist is something to consider for future polls.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

but do you think it would be 'healthy' if all five made the top 100, regardless of how good the five songs were?

Yeah, sure. My only problem with the five St. Etiennes is that only one, maybe two of them deserve to be there. I agree with all the Pulp inclusions except "Do You Remember the First Time?," though not necessarily with the placements.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i think that these polls would be better if everyone just voted honestly. I can truly say that my list was completely honest the day that i sent it in. Dont vote your two nominations 1-2 just because you nominated them, vote your heart.

the list will still have bands show up with multiple songs, but it wont be so annoying when it happens i think.

fuck strategic voting.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

rockist i'm guessing it would maybe be where i said the skew of the results had less to do with race and more to do with fanboy enthusiasm.

Yes, I saw that, but it's hard to take seriously when you undermine your supposed dropping of the accusation of racism by the parenthetical comment:

really, taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve)

Anyway, I think comments like:

this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought

are an insult to people like Martin (who apparently voted in ways you wouldn't approve of, but who likes quite a bit of 90s music you would approve of, and who you certainly aren't in a position to criticze as being less thoughtful than you, or whatever your wording means--I'm not even sure). But yes, that's a separate issue. But it's the sort of thing that makes me give in to the temptation to comment.

I don't know how you can seriously harp on my snarkishness when, in my view, you are one of the rudest old ILM (are you old ILM?--I don't even know) regulars, but I guess we all have our own slant on this thing. Maybe you are very charming in person.

BUT let this be remembered the next time anyone (eg. rockist scientist) snarks about ilm's "popist" tendencies

When have I "snarked" about ILM's popist tendencies? I can find one post of mine which does that, and I thought I was using "popist" in a pretty neutral way.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Having Blount call you "rude" will either make you scream "POTPOTPOTPOTPOT" or go "WOAH I must horrible if BLOUNT Is noticing it!" depending on your level of self-esteem.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck strategic voting.

Todd, I'm not a strategic voter in the sense that I intentionally overrate songs so they'll get on the list, and I'm slightly mystified by people who do that, but I do like the idea of voting a diverse ballot and producing an overall diverse list. What rankles me about the St. Etienne or Pulp songs is less a matter of race or rockism and more a matter of, "Wow there were so many great singles that didn't make the list (or even the nominations ballot), it's a shame some artists had to take up so many slots." But I'm also a big fat hypocrite because I voted for three Stereolab albums, and I'm real curious to see what happens with that.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

what year did "area codes" come out? did it somehow miss out on both polls?

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's from the 00s.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

well you snarked about popist tendencies on the last singles poll for motherfucking instance. see also: every comment you've ever made about hip-hop. o and this thread too.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

meanwhile if you wanna keep harping on how i say something instead of what i'm saying maybe i can send you an e-cuddle or something or whatever it'll take to get the sand out of your vagina

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

ps. you did the same thing on the last singles thread too only then it wasn't with me ie. you're the constant.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Has RS not been careful with his pocket pussy?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing's been broke since he heard david banner

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I had assumed that the high St Ets and Pulp presence was due to people voting for their songs who *aren't* in to revivalist rock. These two acts always struck me as the two "britpop" artists of choice if you fucking hate britpop. Or am I just assuming that everyone thinks the same way I do?

At a distance this poll appears to resemble Tom's 90s list (which was hugely formative for me) - which also had a strong Saint Etienne and Pulp presence.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "sand in your urethra" would be a good twist on an old favorite.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: JayMC OTM and "Area Codes" isn't even that great a song.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the St Et/Pulp thing was more an indication that, on ILM, there's a sort of bedrock consensus w/r/t indie, in a way that there isn't with hip-hop or dance or pop. So a lot of peoples' indie-ish votes clustered around St Et, Pulp, B&S etc, but their hip-hop votes diverged more, their pop votes diverged more, their country votes (if they voted for country) diverged more...

But, you know, I could just be trying to put a different spin on it.

(also, ffs, the fact that a lot of people on ilm like nineties brit indie does not make it a bastion of rockism, it makes it a bastion of corny indie fuxx0rism. rock-orientation is, after all, not automatically rockism. (this in brackets because, you know, just wanted to make objection known etc.))

cis (cis), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

man oh man wait til you fuckers see the album poll, holy fuck. I'm just gonna drop that bomb into ILX like Jim Brown dropping grenades on Nazis at the end of The Dirty Dozen and then run away.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh snap.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm looking forward to it Gear!

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahaha if all five Stereolab albums make it, I am going to laugh my fucking ass off.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

ALBUMS POLL SNEAK PREVIEW

1. Loveless
2. OK Computer
3. Different Class
4-26 Radiohead albums, bootlegs and interview picture discs
27. Neutral Milk Hotel -- In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
28. Dr. Dre -- The Chronic
29 - 48. Various albums produced by Dr. Dre
49 - 100. Saint Etienne demo tapes

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"29 - 48. Various albums produced by Dr. Dre"

Dream the fuck on.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"how to seduce a wispy indie girl in 7 mixtapes: ILM's 100 greatest albums of the '90s"

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually haven't finished the tallying but I'm not entirely sure, based on preliminary numbers, that StEt will place more than one album on the top 100. Could be wrong.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

My main problem with the St. Etienne/Pulp rants is with the argument that the results are dull and/or not balanced because 5 songs of each made the Top 100. I think the real reason most of these people are upset is that they do not believe St. Etienne or Pulp deserved that many entries. I, for instance truly believe that all 5 St. Etienne nominations were among the best singles on the 90s and I wouldn't take them out of my personal list just for the sake of fairness and balance. Why does everybody accept all-time albums lists with 3 Beatles entries in the Top 10? Considering the number of albums ever recorded, that seems pretty dull/unbalanced to me.

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

who says we accept that?????

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt I'd accept a list with ONE Beatles album in the top ten

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Why does everybody accept all-time albums lists with 3 Beatles entries in the Top 10?"

I don't accept that either. I think it is lazy fucking bullshit. Don't make stupid generalizations about what "everybody accepts" and then try to apply to people who think that 100% of a poll going to two bands (and as I said before ANY two bands, although yes obv I would be less irritated if I love the bands in question) is fucking stupid.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

100% should be 10%.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

and 10% should be 2%

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Limiting the number of noms for any one artist is something to consider for future polls.

-- MindInRewind (brune...), November 11th, 2004 1:43 PM. (later)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

who says we accept that?????

Well yeah I didn't mean it is "accepted" but its hardly surprising or shocking, its is expected.

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

But no less worthing of revulsion.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Worthing? WTF? Hahaha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"...10% of a poll going to two bands (and as I said before ANY two bands, although yes obv I would be less irritated if I love the bands in question) is fucking stupid."

Would you say it is stupid if you truly believed those ten songs are among the best 100 songs of the '90s?

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

No, then I would say the person who thinks that is stupid.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

29 - 48 are going to be live Pearl Jam albums.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

So to believe, in any circumstance, that 5 of the best songs of a decade were made by the same artist, no matter who that artist is, is stupid?

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

There is no decade or EVEN year where two artists/bands/whatever released 10% of the best 100 songs released during that time period. Given the massive amount of music released EACH week for basically the past 50+ years, I think it requires an almost willful desire to limit one's taste/listening habits to believe otherwise.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Being eclectic is a virtue to be prized above all other concerns.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd prefer to say diversity is a virtue to be prized above all other concerns, but yeah actually I do think that's basically a true statement, Dan.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

That said I only voted for rave and hip hop tracks in my top 30 haha so I am also a total hypocrite.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ALEX IN SF'S BALLOT:

MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 2"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 3"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 4"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 5"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 6"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 7"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 8"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 9"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 10"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 11"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 12"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 13"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 14"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 15"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 16"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 17"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 18"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 19"
MOBB DEEP - "Shook Ones Pt 20"
OMNI TRIO - "Renegade Snares"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

...diversity is a virtue to be prized above all other concerns..."

I agree with this, but if you were to make a list of your favourite songs, scrificing your own taste for the sake of diversity is a huge dishonest mistake.

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha wait "Verbal Intercourse" doesn't sound EXACTLY like "Shook Ones"!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

You agree with this and yet somehow you think that a list with 10 songs by two acts fairly represents that?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Also Gear! you forgot:

Omni Trio "Renegade Snares (Foul Play Remix)"

and

Omni Trio "Renegade Snares (Foul Play VIP Remix)"

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, aren't you just complaining about what people like? If someone likes those songs in the proportion discussed, why shouldn't they vote for them? Or do you doubt such people exist?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

1) No.

2) It results in lame stilted lists (like this one for example.)

3) Obviously these people exist (see list.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

So people shouldn't vote for what they like but vote for what would make a good poll instead?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

YES EXACTLY

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(You have to remember that Alex is a dirty dirty Commie.)

(ps plz Alex don't hurt me)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, don't make me go Stalin on you!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

But yeah obv I think that should be a consideration (not the only one obv.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The list fairly represents peoples tastes, I think that should be pretty evident. Like you, I think a more diverse outcome would look better. But I don't think that the fact that this was not the case, makes the outcome less fair.

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Where did I say the result was unfair? I said it ridiculous and stupid, but yeah democracy spoke and people's tastes suck.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I also think it's odd to say that one persons ballot is somehow 'less correct' than anothers.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting that ppl are so eager to dismiss race although i think cinniblount made a mistake arguing that people are racist for liking Pulp or St. Etienne which is obviously not fair. Some people who voted for those bands also voted for many many black artists. But. The fact that the consensus hits on some VERY similar touchstones suggests that there is something to be said for what people WILL and WON'T engage with, or even more importantly, what they HAVE and HAVEN'T been exposed to.

Think about the fact that there were people here who had never heard "Mind Playing Tricks" - I wouldn't say it is RACISM that they didn't pick that song/ know that song. But they are a product of a society that does not wholly embrace black music, that black music has had to push its way into our consciousness OR we have to seek it out.

I don't blame individuals for not being aware of music that they did not grow up with but surely there is some blame for a society that reinforces a certain musical perspective.

Imagine a parallel ILM wherein the people discussing it were predominantly black and from the black community of New Orleans. Assuming they had the same interest in exploring a diverse range of music as everyone here, do you think that the list would be very similar to this one?

I'm not sure I'm being clear here, but can someone help flesh out my idea here? heh. Or disprove it, whatever I'm open to that too.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"I also think it's odd to say that one persons ballot is somehow 'less correct' than anothers."

Yeah, you're right. Criticism is mean. We should all stop.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

You agree with this and yet somehow you think that a list with 10 songs by two acts fairly represents that?!?!

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think the fact that The Geto Boys weren't as big in the UK as they were in the US (especially given their relationship to mainstreram music) is a comment on race as much as it is a comment on what form "violence" was allowed to take in popular music.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree, but when it comes down to the sociological level of racism, trying to explain why some people heard things others didn't, not only do things become incredibly complicated and murky, but a ballot of mostly black artists is as much a product of a racist society as that choosing 'whiter than white' indie.

(x-post to djdee)

We're not mean. Just you. Poopyhead.

(x-post to alex)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

FAIRLY = ACCURATELY in that case, ya dork.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link


OK all I'm trying to say is, diversity in poll results look nicer, but the lack of it does not necessarily make them ridiculus and stupid. And don't say you didn't say that!

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Kevin I'm not saying we should have an all-black list either! Just saying that race IS obviously an issue (among other social issues) in how a poll like this turns out. Consensus does not identify individual issues of race but it does show a group trend with regards to how race is treated and which kinds of music will be accepted and which wont, and what black music (mostly) white people are aware of and which they arent - an issue of exposure which is also in many ways an issue of the ways our societies fail when it comes to racial issues! Were was "Come on (Ride the train)" and "Da Dip" and assorted other musical moments?

To dan: can you expound on that? I'm not quite sure what you'd mean, i'd be interested to know why some black american music is accepted in the UK and some isn't ("accepted" = "popular")

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Basically I'm attacking the reaction that people are having because race was brought up, just because race wasn't a decisive factor on one level doesn't mean that it didn't have an affect at all!!!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I said that. And I think 10% taken up by two bands makes it automatically pretty ridiculous and stupid.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. My point wasn't about an all black or all white list, (I wasn't claiming 'reverse racism' or anything) just that if we put aside ideas of intentional racism, then all lists of all types are equally products of a racist society because the people making them are. It's an obvious point, sorry. Race certainly isn't irellevant in music, but in this poll, without any evidence someone is actively racist it's a silly thing to bring up.
(x-post)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

crybaby ;o)

x-post dammit

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised some people haven't taken their ball from ILX and gone home.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I know it's a lame thing to say, but for fuck's sake, stop taking it so seriously, it's only music for crying out loud

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I think some of them have - it's been kind of quiet recently.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It's definitely a more respectable way of responding to the discovery that people don't share your sense of "rules".

miccio (miccio), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I still disagree. You're being dogmatic. Criticize St. Etienne or Pulp or whatever, not the fact that they took 10% of the poll!

daavid (daavid), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant 'categoric'. Sorry, English isn't my first language

daavid (daavid), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's definitely a more respectable way of responding to the discovery that people don't share your sense of "rules"."

Somehow I don't see myself taking advice on respectability from Anthony Miccio anytime soon.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Kevin - I think its perfectly fine to complain about the fact that so many Brits haven't heard a lot of great American (black) music do to societal issues (both race-related and not)! (and had the brits NOT been the ones to have 2 artists representing 10% of the list, I think they could claim the reverse).

My point is that it may be obvious "we are all a product of society, what we're exposed to, and how we learn to engage with 'other' music" but I think its OK to complain about that fact when it is confirmed by a list like this!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"I still disagree. You're being dogmatic. Criticize St. Etienne or Pulp or whatever, not the fact that they took 10% of the poll!"

I'm baffled why I should do that. I don't care about Pulp or St Etienne except that they tolk 10% of the poll.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I do take offense at the statement that "becase i voted for St Et and Pulp" that i'm somehow inherently racist - whether intentional or not. i'm a huge fan of dub, roots, techno, drum n bass, booty, crunk, hip hop, soul, r&b, disco, ska, jazz, afro and all kinds of other music that is portrayed as "black" (even though to be honest i couldn't care less what someone's race is - a good song/musician is just that).

cases in point:

one of my favorite bands - long fin killie (ROCK -inherently "white" according to our "non-racist friends dee and AlexSF - as played by a band led by a non-white)

or the beastie boys (HIPHOP - inherently "black"? oh i forgot they're white - therefore they've just co-opted someone else's culture and our "non-racist" friends tend to dismiss them.)

good thing djdee and Alex in SF are so colorblind and UNRACIST! *cough*

seriously, i think the most racist people in this thread are the very ones who started trying to pull the race card bullshit because they weren't pleased with the results of the thread

i voted the songs i liked because i liked them, not because of the race of the artists, the amount of "racial" music i've been exposed to, or any ulterior motive. to suggest that votes were cast according to people's races is simply bullshit and embarassing to the accusers. or at least it should be, if they were intelligent enough to realize how insulting they were being to any non-whites in the poll (actually to pretty much EVERYONE in the poll).

now fuck off and go listen to some music

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

When did I pull the race card?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I read this board daily but almost never post and this thread is a great example as to why.

I think you all are smart enough to realize that (almost) nobody here is racist or sexist. They like what they like. And yet, thread after thread ends up turning into a race war (despite the fact that there are few actual black people here)

In the end, there's something everyone here has in common. Not many people in the world would spend so many hours of their lives arguing about a fucking LIST. Get over it.

mister lurker, Friday, 12 November 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link

also, in response to someones post upthread, concerning what music we are exposed to:

the music that we are exposed to depends on our parents. i know that my parents along with many other parents dont want their kids listening to music with parental advisory stickers. since i was a teenager or less all of the 90's, i could not possibly be exposed to those artists.

thats all i suppose

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

No. I am bored at work and until I find something else on the web to occupy my time for these hours of the day I will continue to argue banally about bullshit like this 90s. So suck it up and fuck off.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey rentboy you clearly didn't read a single thing I said so yeah fuck off yourself.

Me:

cinniblount made a mistake arguing that people are racist for liking Pulp or St. Etienne which is obviously not fair.

I'm talking about the way our social upbringing and exposure to diversity affects what music we are aware of and such. As much a criticism of nationalistic taste as racism as geographic focus as "hometown pride" or whatever other social tendencies result in limiting our engagement with other forms of music, the kind of engagement that lets 10% of the list be dominated by a rather specific aesthetic. I'm also not accusing any individuals of doing anything "wrong," just wishing that as a group ILM was engaging with a wider range of music.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, look at the hip-hop threads, they're almost all started by a very small circle of people.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex: apologies if i incorrectly branded you as sharing djdee's ridiculous racial accusations. if i was wrongly accusatory, then let me be the first to say "sorry"

djdee: i read all of your posts, you've yet to say much of anything that doesn't literally render you a racist of the worst degree

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I second that, I actually really enjoy having long discussions about this sort of "unimportant" things.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

In previous post I was refering to what Alex in SF wrote.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

hey rentboy, how about you explain yourself. If you're going to accuse me of "racism" first off this is a message board so you're not being creative, and secondly you actually have to make an argument as to WHY I'm being racist.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link

tick-tock-tick-tock.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you all are smart enough to realize that (almost) nobody here is racist or sexist. They like what they like. And yet, thread after thread ends up turning into a race war (despite the fact that there are few actual black people here)

SORRY EVERYONE IT'S MY FAULT

To dan: can you expound on that? I'm not quite sure what you'd mean, i'd be interested to know why some black american music is accepted in the UK and some isn't ("accepted" = "popular")

I would argue very much that The Geto Boys were "an act of their time" who were not going to get the same type of exposure as a political act like Public Enemy or KRS-One, a completely over-the-top controversial group like NWA/Ice Cube/Dr Dre/Eazy E/The DOC or 2 Live Crew, or a positive hippy-esque group like A Tribe Called Quest/De La Soul. They had an edge and were definitely on the dark side but their main hook was that one of their members was a dwarf and since there was no comedy angle to that, there wasn't anything for The Acceptable Face Of Radio Music to hook into.

It's disingenuous to say it's not a racial issue but it's equally disingenuous to say it was solely a racial issue; you're talking about a group who reached their peak right before the music busines figured out that people all over the world really, really, really like all forms of hip-hop.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It's disingenuous to say it's not a racial issue but it's equally disingenuous to say it was solely a racial issue; you're talking about a group who reached their peak right before the music busines figured out that people all over the world really, really, really like all forms of hip-hop.

I agree with this statement 100% incidently.

And the first paragraph is probably right too, although I imagine it could be fleshed out a bit more...but regardless, my criticism of the list is simply an extension of my criticisms of the way some acts are recieved and some are not, regardless of relative "goodness".

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

djdee, you hate area codes? you are dead to me. and also racist.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

he's a damn dirty monogamist too!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

haha so when do we do the eighties list?

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

GOD ID SO LOVE TO DO IT, PICK ME

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

If we do an 80s one I'm gonna vote for 30 Smiths songs just to spite these fucks.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha we are like Red Sox's fans though! If the list were GOOD I'd be disappointed that I didn't have nuthin' to complain about!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I didn't join the complaints about too much st. etienne because I know my 80s singles ballot is probably going to be 50% smiths and prince.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

rentboy sucks at life.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to do the 80s list (as I really wanted to do the 90s list but was forced to concede) but will settle for doing the year-end list.

Gear, Stevem and I will have to discuss.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

the 80s list is all yours, mang

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll do the 2010s list

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

my criticism of the list is simply an extension of my criticisms of the way some acts are recieved and some are not, regardless of relative "goodness".

but dj this list is not about how some acts *are* received now, it's about how they were received in the 90s, when hip-hop was not the ubiquitous cultural force it is now and when many people here, for various reasons which have little to do with race, weren't listening to very much hip-hop.

if we did a 00s poll in like 2014 and Missy Elliott placed ridiculously low, you'd have far more of a point.

the Geto Boys had a DWARF member? wow.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, Bushwick Bill is a dwarf.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

My work network has decided ilm is the enemy so I haven't been on since the nominations thread and voting, and wow, that was a long read.

Anyway, some thoughts: There were two distinct versions of britpop inthe 90s. The first, which actually reflects the word, was bands like St Et and Pulp and World of Twist (and erm... Cud) who tried to create an alternative pop universe (where their records were anti matter number ones, every copy bought in an anti-matter Woolworths) while not actually selling that much in the real world. (To characterise this as british rock revivalism is weird and wrong.) Me, I loved it all 'cos it was the anti grunge. Faced with all that plaid, who wouldn't want gold lame and glitterballs?

In the meantime we had a rockist, regressive sound (beatles>jam>smiths>oasis) pushed by the music press in two failed incarnations ( The "mod revival", the "new wave of new wave") before they finally hit paydirt with Britpop TM.

While it is somewhat ridiculous for someone to place 5 pulp songs or whatever in their poll(didn't you listen to anything else?), it is way cool that this other britpop is getting the props here. Nice one!

Obviously, the real action was dance music in the UK and hip-hop in th US, but still, if we're going to have some brit pop, then lets have St Etienne et al.

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah! Just found the opinions on 90s poll thread - should have posted there. Sorry.

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

well you snarked about popist tendencies on the last singles poll for motherfucking instance. see also: every comment you've ever made about hip-hop. o and this thread too.
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...), November 11th, 2004.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't see how what you are describing translates into "snarking about popist tendencies." I don't like a lot of pop or hip-hop, and I do comment on that sometimes.

meanwhile if you wanna keep harping on how i say something instead of what i'm saying maybe i can send you an e-cuddle or something or whatever it'll take to get the sand out of your vagina
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...), November 11th, 2004.

High-five, dude! You're so clever with the grade school taunts.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

And I don't think there is a completely clean line between what you say and how you say it.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

the love is back again starting tomorrow: TEH 1990s ALBUM POLL RESULTS

BE TEHRE

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Re Bushwick Bill: Chuck Eddy has a great line in Accidental Evolution to the effect of, "People are always complaining that there aren't enough female musicians in the Pazz & Jop poll, but there's hardly any one-eyed midgets in there, either."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex in SF and Cinniblount have been OTM through this whole thread.

i actually voted for much less hip-hop than I should have on the singles list because I mad eit up inna hurry and because I voted for all 4 Disco Inferno songs - don't know what that might make me (strategic voting oh no). but, i think this thread has made me realize how little love hip-hop gets on ILM. and people like jess and even john mountain goat (huge scarface fan i think) probably hurt the cause.

also who else voted for "Everlong" #1

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

toptoptop top1990s top90s topsingles toptracks top1990ssingles top90ssingles top90stracks top1990stracks

I've had trouble finding the poll results threads so I'm marking them with searchable terms.

a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you should search with the word "results" under "thread title"

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the most prolific appearance makers - biggie, wu-tang - equal blur and belle and sebastian (who according to some quarters are UNDERREPRESENTED on this poll), don't approach st. etienne or pulp. what does this mean? it means that ilm is primarily, overwhelmingly a rock-oriented and occasionally rock-blinkered board

This is hilarious. Saint Etienne are ROCK???

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 10:57 (nineteen years ago) link

he meant to say INDIE

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

FOR THOSE ABOUT TO FLOUNCE WE SALUTE YOU

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

he meant to say INDIE

I don't even think of them as indie - okay, there's the kitchen-sink element to a few of their songs, but the style tends to be more dance or pop. I voted for 'You're in a bad way' because its perfect full-on bubblegum pop.

I think he meant to say ROCK. I am an ROCKER. I shall grow my hair long and get a MOTORBIKE.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

They are pop the actual pop kids don't buy, ergo they are indie.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Its a strange definition, but it does seem to be the one people use.

So the TS: Saint Etienne vs. Slipknot thread can wait, then?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

They are pop the actual pop kids don't buy, ergo they are indie.

also, since The Pet Shop Boys no longer sell to pop kids, does this mean they're now indie? What about Duran Duran?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Duran Duran are mumpop. PSBs have been indie for some time, yes.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

So is Annie the new St Etienne?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty much.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

So, people who whinge about indie but celebrate pop are really objecting to the target market who buy the records, rather than the musical style?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite a lot of the time, yes.

Though there are of course musical differences between Annie/St Etienne/PSBs and current chart pop too.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I am enjoying this peculiar Socratic dialogue. I'm not sure I'm up to the job though.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

St Etienne is pop for indie fans. their aesthetic sits comfortably between the pop and indie worlds, and this has been a big part of their allure over the years. the best indie adheres to either the painfully obscure, pristine 'our music, no-one else's' ethos, or it gets to number 14 in the charts - or better yet it somehow manages to do both.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

So, people who whinge about indie but celebrate pop

someone mentioned me?

hello dear. um, not quite. i'm whinging about indie because it's not as good as it used to be ;)

(N. is this helping?)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

The St Etienne SCIENCE TEST - break into each of their houses and count the ratio of Arab Strab records to Abba records.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Also YOU ARE ALL ROCKISTS BECAUSE THIS IS A MASSIVE THREAD WITH ABOUT A MILLION POSTS OF PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT HOW MUCH INDIE OR HOW LITTLE RAP IS ON THE LIST WHEN THE WORDS 'TAKE THAT' AND 'SPICE GIRLS' DO NOT APPEAR ONCE.

Tom Ewing would be ashamed of you.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

TAKE THAT AND SPICE GIRLS ARE NOT HIP-HOP NO MATTER WHAT TOM EWING SAYS

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not even necessarily saying they should be on the list, its just that it says an awful lot about the collective mindset of this board that not one person even pointed out their absence.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but, who cares about hip-hop, really?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

At least it's not limey shit.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:47 (nineteen years ago) link

you can get something from the doctors for that you know...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it proves that Tom Ewing's dream remains forever pipe-shaped, poor guy

i am still basically a great big pretender when it comes to that kind of pop music i.e. 'oh this is a great song, i hated it at the time but now...well actually i don't own it, wouldn't dance to it and wouldn't put it in my personal top 100 of the decade actually, hmm'

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, did you get the blurbs I sent?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Were "Say You'll Be There" or "2 Become 1" on the list? I can't remember if they were and if I voted for them.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I still think the Spice Girls are shit, except for 'Spice Up Your Life' and 'Goodbye'.

Take That can also fuck off.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh - they have!

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(it would have been worse than having no Take That at all if rockist choice 'Back for Good' had been the only nomination)

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I appreciate your honesty.

I was actually just amazed they hadn't been mentioned at all in either positive or negative terms, considering how they completely dominated the mid-90s in the UK (Take That) and worldwide (Spice Girls).

Never Forget is the best Take That song. Back For Good can fork off.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm a 'Pray' man

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt - both Spice Girls and Take That (plus solo Robbie) were mentioned on the 'make suggestions for nominations' thread, if that assuages your indignation at all.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Not a single mention of East 17 as well, despite House of Love being as good as Common People and Groove Is In The Heart put together.

It's not real indignation, its faux-indignation in case you hadn't guessed.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

TT were rubbidge. Spice Girls. come on Wannabe is still great, and I'm a sucker for 2 become 1, and probably all the others, including Mama (eep).

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I think all these things is fine. It illustrates how much better chart pop got in the new millennium.

East 17 are entirely without merit.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"I think all these things is fine" = "I think the absence of all these things is fine."

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE ALRIGHT

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm a 'Deep' man

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve this confessions are quite interesting I must say.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Alba you are talking nonsense. House Of Love was great. Admittedly, they didn't really do anything else of worth, but still.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

STAY NOW...

STAY NOW!!!

(sleigh bells)

Baby if you've got to go away

Don't think I could take the pain


This is the best "not actually a christmas song, but we'll add sleigh bells" song ever

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The St Etienne SCIENCE TEST - break into each of their houses and count the ratio of Arab Strab records to Abba records.

hmm..let's see...one Arab Stap record, listened halfway through and currently in the pile of CDs I'm thinking about trying to part with.

I must have at least five ABBA records.

So...is the hypothesis of the test flawed, do you think?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing else of worth = nonsense. There is also Let It Rain, Steam, It's Alright (admittedly all these are basically the same as House of Love only with added slow piano bits), Stay Another Day, Deep. It went a bit downhill when Tony Mortimer wasn't allowed to rap any more, mind.

Why is there no Best Of East 17 out?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link


someone mentioned me?

hello dear. um, not quite. i'm whinging about indie because it's not as good as it used to be ;)

I see. You liked their early stuff better...

No, it wasn't you. You don't whinge, you complain in a mildly sardonic manner (or a less-mildly sardonic manner sometimes...)

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

So...are 5ive rockist, then??

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't remember Let It Rain, therefore it is proven by pop science to be rub; Steam really is just HoL revisited; It's Alright, ok gpwm; Stay Another Day is only any good on account of the bells thing; Deep makes me think about Brian Harvey getting on wearing nowt but his baseball cap, which, in case you were wondering, is a BAD THING.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

how could you forget the Mortimer-less 'Each Time'?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything warren g. was bigger in europe than in the states (maybe just the continent though, i know thatcherandblairland has anti-dancing statutes on the books and a brave < /hongro > refusal to truck with no hip-hop).

james blount will you please stop trying to be robin carmody - you are not as good at it as him (and that's not presupposing i like anything he says much). also you make a total ass of yourself when you make sweeping statements about a whole nation such as "british people don't have any truck with hip hop", especially after insisting that dizzee/grime artists *are* hip-hop. what? only white people allowed to be british in your eyes?

stelfox, Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

where is the albums at? c'mon Gear!

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It's 7.30 AM for him right now, you impertinent Englander!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Crazy Time

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

patience! I've gotta get to work still, argh

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

STAY NOW...
STAY NOW!!!

(sleigh bells)

Baby if you've got to go away

Don't think I could take the pain


This is the best "not actually a christmas song, but we'll add sleigh bells" song ever

-- Jaunty Alan (AlanTrewarth...), November 18th, 2004 1:55 PM. (later)

this is the truest thing Alang has ever said

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the v/vm version of that is fucking amazing

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there going to be a complete list of all the songs voted for, and their placings? I would like to know how the Backstreet Boys and Aqua did. Thanks.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

stelfox show me where i insisted that grime is hip-hop

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

things certain sectors of the english empire aren't good that, based on this poll/thread: listening to hip-hop, listening to uk dance, reading

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

good at listening, just bad at nominating

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Did the whole list (beyond 101) ever get posted????

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

well that's why i said 'based on this poll/thread', based on this thread americans don't listen to uk dance, country, and listen to britindie alot more than amerindie. i don't think this is a very accurate picture either and i suspect the album thread will contradict at least one of them. the only real disappointment with this poll, outside of a general groan at fanboy wank, is that there's so little uk dance on it. i had been led to understood that dance music did very well in the uk during the nineties, that dnb and garage had a much bigger chart presence there than in the states (where they had none at all), that it was a rave paradise, that dance was to the uk what hip-hop was to the us, and this poll and thread (where even 'why is there so much rock revivalism on this poll?' prompts 'hey there's hip-hop on it, it's diverse enough', as if hip-hop were the only alternative to rock revivalism)(even on american radio this isn't true). i was hoping to find out what the uk dance 'flava in ya ear' or 'da dip' was but instead i got auteurism.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure about this whole 'the UK doesn't listen to hiphop' thing. I mean, I kind of agree with the 'In the 90s, dance music was to the UK what hiphop was to the US', but that doesn't mean we weren't listening to hiphop a lot too. I mean, I wasn't, but I'm not very representative.

Hiphop had been a feature of the UK charts from Grandmaster Flash onwards (OK, there was a bit of a break in the mid 80s). There were *mad* scenes in '88 when Public Enemy and Run DMC toured. And as for the music press, hiphop albums had a lot of critical stock from 'Yo! Bum Rush The Show' winning the NME 87 poll onwards. UK Hip Hop was never that big, so there wasn't the feeling that homegrown music scenes can create, but I guess for large parts of the USA, the consumers of the music are far culturally removed from the creators too.

Actually yeah - the original 'In the 90s, dance music was to the UK what hiphop was to the US' statement was more about creators than consumers, I think.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I point out to Matt that my 'glaring omission' choice was 'Back For Good' and I have said so, though I imagine that's on the 'your votes' thread.

Alba, Rapper's Delight was a huge hit well before Grandmaster Flash.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

dance was to the uk what hip-hop was to the us
One has to consider the club culture element ... sure, the Cream, Perfecto, Ministry of Sound, etc. comps were big sellers, but if you're comparing radio play/chart prescence, UK Dance Anthems vs US Hip-Hop Anthems is a mismatch, no?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

see it had been my understanding that it wasn't, that uk dance actually did chart/get airplay in the uk.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

apparently i was wrong!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it did get chart/airplay in the UK, but nothing close to that of hip-hop in the US (i.e. it's still a mismatch).

I mentioned the various club comps because I believe they were the biggest cash cows (and chart successes) of the UK club scene, but if I'm way off in that assumption then someone please clarify.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin - my early rap chronologies are all hazy. You're quite right of course.

I don't know enough about USA charts to comment on MindInRewind's comparison. Certainly there was a lot of dance in the charts here, though obv. daytime radio tended towards the poppier stuff.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening to "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" and blount's comparison was brilliant (even though he took it back later). This I do get.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
All the whining ruined this thread, I hope people eventually realize.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 6 August 2005 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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