Astonishingly, this would appear never to have been done before!
For my part, classic beyond all other definitions of the word classic for the first six albums alone.
The guy on Channel 4's Heavy Metal Top 10 all those years ago who said that the song Black Sabbath "begins, invents and defines heavy metal - everything else is just interpretation" was so OTM!
But this thread is intended for the discussion of Black Sabbath the band, not just the song...
― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Later, post-Born Again-era Sabs? Eh, not so much.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link
except for the classic, vintage lineup's last couple albums. technical ecstasy, anyone? anyone???
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link
There's a thread in the archive on this very subject.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath
Taking Sides: Led Zeppelin Vol. 4 vs. Black Sabbath Vol.4
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyways one of the best love songs of all time is "Sweet Leaf."
― steve hise, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
robert christgau
― elrod hendrix, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah, he just made my case. if there were a meter for classic, the red part would go 0 +1 +2 BLACK SABBATH.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
My favorite all time UNDER-mentioned Sab songs: "Hand of Doom" "A National Acrobat" "The Thrill Of It All" "Junior's Eyes"
― pheNAM (pheNAM), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
-- steve hise (shistee...), October 27th, 2004.
Sweat Loaf comes ridiculously close to bettering it though.
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link
OK, unless you're really not into heavy rock or metal. Is this the case for you Myonga?
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link
[I couldn't believe that Sabbath even deserved the classic/dud treatment, because I couldn't believe that ANYONE considered 'em duds. I was gonna post an are-you-kidding? reply immediately after my "DUD" assessment. But just before I did, I read Xgau's little blurb about "drug-impaired reaction time" and thought it would be HIGH-larious to wait awhile before changing my opinion, then finally changing it FOR REAL, and then blaming my long delay on...yep, you guessed it! It might've been funnier if I'd waited a day or two, but I've always been terribly impatient.]
Anyway, again, CLASSIC through first six albums; and even the inferior Dio and Gillan lineups produced a great LP between 'em.
Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 27th, 2004.
-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), October 28th, 2004.
Never heard Technical Ecstacy, but Never Say Die is grebt for the:
- Cover art - Title track - The start of 'Air Dance'
The rest is decent, listenable stuff, just not as good as what came before (and it's got synths, not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sasha on a different PC, Friday, 29 October 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Please someone tell me they know the two songs on "The Ozzman Cometh" comp: "Black Sabbath" ('70 Basement Tapes) and "War Pigs" (1970 Basement Tapes).
Both of these songs are clear evidence that BIMBLE IS MORE GOTH THAN YOU.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Um there's actually more than two basement tapes on that comp (if you get the 2xcd version). Don't forget the awesome versions of "Fairies Wear Boots" and "Behind the Wall of Sleep".
I love the production of those tunes and all the alternate lyrics and verses. Total godhead.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 21 September 2008 09:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah I will have to get the 2xCD version.
A goth's work is never done.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that's what it is, dude.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
That...
Just... No. Ugh.
― novaheat, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link
<3 cindy und bert <3
― cuisine of demise (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Dehumanize is good too people.
― III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen
― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
You've got to be kidding me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE54T00420090531
Advantage: Iommi.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
that should infact be a poll
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
poll w/ one option
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
you click on where it says new pollhttp://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Poll/EnterPollInformationControllerServlet?boardid=41
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:
mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?
― Plunge Protection Team, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Deciblog has a good take:
http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=306741
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
from thatPosted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal
Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link
holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
By Request: Sharon Osbourne - Cunt Or Great?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, actually...
You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.
http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/music/feature/2002/07/16/ozzy/index.html
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
DEROGAAATIIISSSSSS fistshake.gif
― i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
As someone who, often as not, can't make it through a feature-length movie without running off to take a whiz at least once, I guess I admire Ozzy's dedication to holding the stage for an entire 2-3 hour show. There's a new TV ad out in which Ozzy pitches some manner of cell phone / mobile device / whatever the fuck you kids call it now in which he uses GPS to navigate his way to the w.c. in his own house which I will never look at the same again as a result.
― Handsome Dan, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 07:29 (fourteen years ago) link
how classic is black sabbath?
i was driving to a gig on the far side of bali with a car full of teenage punk rock roadies, mostly between the ages of 16 and 18. punk rock kids, mind you, not metlaheads (punks not dead in bali) anyway i didn't want to bore them with dance music or hip hop so i threw on "best of black sabbath" hoping they'd dig it... and those fuckers knew every note of the album. not just the guitar solo in paranoid, i mean they were air drumming the fills on snowblind, singing along with symptom of the universe etc. i doubt they'd ever seen the osbournes either. black sabbath is not just classic in america and england but all the way to the far flung reaches of the globe (if not the universe) i mean the group broke up a decade before these kids were even born ffs!
thats how classic black sabbath is.
― messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/RabitesAngelatin/signofthesoutherncross.jpg
― ╓abies, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhZISswW_k
― am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Love that clip
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Always cool to see the moustache-less Iommi
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
he reminds me of greg ginn there. love the shot of geezer going nuts in his flares
― am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Geezer rules
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I was woken up this morning by the strains of Black Sabbath s/t coming from my house mate's bedroom. Pretty pleasant alarm really.
When I saw them live in '99, I cried. Stoked to see Heaven & Hell with Neurosis supporting in August.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
they're back! hurray?After band members (most prominently Ozzy Osbourne) dropped hints of a possible reunion for at least a year, Tony Iommi confirmed that the original lineup of Black Sabbath has gotten back together and is planning an album and tour. Sabbath was last in the studio back in 2001, when work on a Rick Rubin-produced record stalled after Osbourne went to finish work on a solo album. In recent years, Iommi and Osbourne have battled over ownership of the Black Sabbath name, but that case was settled (with undisclosed terms) in 2010. "We're really looking forward to it and I think the stuff we’ve been writing is really good," Iommi said in an interview. "It's all been very hush-hush. Ozzy's been the worst at trying to hold it back. He's doing a lot of TV and he's being asked stuff about a reunion and he's going 'well I never say never'. He told me, 'I don't know what to say'."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
has any of those rubin session leaked?
― are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
all i could dig up was this:
"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=735w63a53nc
― are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=162051
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
And then again:
http://gunshyassassin.com/news/tony-iommi-shoots-down-black-sabbath-reunion-reports/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Fuuuuuuuckkkkk
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
As I say, nobody's giving a definite no, just that one 'reporter' seems to have taken liberties with a 'private' 'conversation' or some such.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 09:47 (twelve years ago) link
Looks like this is definitely on:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/07/black-sabbath-reform-remembrance-day
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
Judging by this twitpic on their official Twitter, they are playing the Whiskey today?
http://p.twimg.com/Ad-2s7aCMAAoPFq.jpg
Or what?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Nevermind, its a reunion press conference being held there, hosted by Rollins.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU3SZjfbcpI
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
So, wait, within the last few years did the band ever officially break up? I know they were suing each other, but I think it fishy to call it a reunion when it's really only been, you know, a few years off.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
well it's a reunion of the original line-up which hasn't played together since 1978 so I think that it qualifies.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
That's not true at all! I saw the original line-up a couple of times within the last decade. Unless you mean different than Ozzy, Geezer, Iommi and Ward? Because they've already reunited the hell out of this thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
most interesting thing about that (basically awesome) youtube clip is: new album 2012.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
(to be released on the rinse FM label, no doubt)
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, this lineup has been reuniting every few years since 1997 or thereabouts. I saw 'em in 2004 on Ozzfest.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
There is NO way this isn't going to suck balls. I had the displeasure of hearing some live reunion thing they did recently (2xCD - from the early aughts maybe? Dunno) and omg, Ozzy, please, for the love of God, STOP.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
There is NO way this isn't going to suck balls.
I disagree. The Rubin treatment could really do something special. Live, yeah, for sure, avoid, but the record might be the first interesting thing Sabbath has done in a good long while.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
Not if Ozzy's singing. Resurrect Ronnie James and, yeah, maybe. But this is gonna be awful. Mark it. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not. Ozzy sucks. He's sucked since The Ultimate Sin and the decline has been a long, sharp one.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
i want to hear ozzy deliver a long, incoherent, slurred response to your critique.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wait a second, assholes could fly. Reunion was actually good. Especially if you are a true Sabbath fan-we were jacked to hear deep cuts like Behind The Wall of Sleep and Spiral Architect. Second, I saw Sabbath with Dio just two years ago, the band was fucking ON (granted different drummer and singer). No reason to believe this won't kill.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
is rick rubin producing it, really? interesting and odd combination.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
If anybody isn't psyched about this, get the fuck off the Sabbath thread.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
even belle & sebastian are psyched about this.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
Ozzy can sing fine. He wasn't a fantastic singer ever, all he has to do is hit the notes and keep time and be himself - and current engineering trends mean he doesn't really have to do the first two to make a good record.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
Rubin has produced slayer, metallica,trouble,etc. All bands that would not exist withotu the originators, and true masters of the form: Sabbath.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
excited.
― charlie h, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
Daniel, Esq. I was not trying to take u down on my post. I am using my blackberry which causes serious delays. I was responding to assholes could fly
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
lol, understood.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
I hope this is not tied to some Ozzfest stupidity. I want a full set. I want supernaut , wicked world, megalomania,tomorrows dream. I don't want "hits". Please.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
dude you're never going to get "wicked world," c'mon.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
You know the point I'm trying to get across.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
I just hope Rubin puts an effort into this album like he did in the '80s and early '90s, because hasn't his style as of late has been to let his underlings do all the work and he just nod in approval?
― A. Begrand, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
Wicked world does kick ass though.
I can't tell you how excited I am about this. I can't wait. This band has meant a lot to me since I was young, I know how silly that sounds. But they are very important to me.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
You're all crazy. This is gonna make Loutallica sound like Budgie.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
Hahahahaha
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
that was always his style - he doesn't even actually engineer - IIRC he does not actually know how to twiddle the knobs, etc. what he does is listen to stuff and give it the thumbs-up or thumbs-down
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
Ozzy sounded decent on his latest studio album (too bad the songs weren't really there) and the rest of the guys sounded fantastic backing up Dio, so I have no reason to think the album is going to be awful. Not really expecting it to blow me away either though.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
If the Dixie Chicks documentary is any indication, he doesn't even show up to the studio. He does, however, offer such monumentally indispensable nuggets of wisdom like, "Nice chorus" and "I like the chorus" and "That's a good chorus."
His work on Ballbreaker was tremendous, though (and more engaged/hands-on, iirc); hopefully he'll do Sabbath the same way.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'm with jon. Ozzy sounded pretty good on his last album (and really good on tour, btw; the set list and length of set were both unprecedented). I'm cautiously optimistic.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
I have low expectations. If wiki is at all accurate, the four original members of Sabbath worked with Rubin back in 2001 but eventually abandoned the project, and I would be shocked if the new album is not composed largely of these decade-old sessions. And the last time I saw the original four live, back in 2004 on Ozzfest, I thought they were turgid and terrible, and Ozzy was at the peak of his cheerleader clownishness. Iommi and Butler I imagine will be in OK shape, but the idea of Ozzy and Ward with an extra decade behind them is a scary thought. Those guys looked like they were going to die on stage.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
why not pick a more relevant producer? rubin's track record hasn't been great in the past 10+ years. everything he does sounds so clean and polished and devoid of any character.
i'd like to see sabbath produced by justin broadrick.
― borntohula, Sunday, 13 November 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
Sanford Parker producing Sabbath, now that would be something.
― A. Begrand, Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
really hope Rubin approaches this like he did for Johnny Cash
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ if Rubin goes all in that way it could be really interesting. Hard to imagine Iommi going for it though
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
"It's now or never. We are getting along great. Everything's really good," said Iommi.
"It's like putting on an old glove. It's fantastic."
― calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man, who the fuck isn't psyched about putting on an old glove?
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Sunday, 13 November 2011 06:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/oj%20glove-thumb.jpg
― Cory! Cori! Coré! (buzza), Sunday, 13 November 2011 07:03 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know, I saw them back in maybe 2002 and it totally lived up to my expectations in every way, and I know the guys in the band still totally kill it. HOWEVER in between 2002 and now i've seen Ozzy solo 2 or 3 times and although the first time in maybe 2004 was good, the ones a few years later were really really awful - i think he hit the point about 5 years back where he just can't do it anymore and it's a bit of an embarrassment. I hope i'm wrong, but I can see him dragging this down pretty badly.
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
Go figure.
― suspecterrain, Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
I'll say it again, Ozzy and Ward are the weak links. Ozzy is a clown and Ward has lost his muscle.
Also, they all clearly hate each other, which tends to dampen spirits. And Sharon has a way of killing everything she touches.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ Iommi sock spotted.
― bear has little fear of hades (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:58 (twelve years ago) link
Again, I disagree on Ozzy's weakness. I saw him play last year and the set was more than two hours long, something like 17 or 18 songs, and his voice was strong throughout. I think he knew with Rob Halford as his opening act, he had to step his game up, but he's just staging a for-real comeback in the last few years. I just saw the movie God Bless Ozzy Osbourne last night and it seems he's been clean and sober for real for the last five years, so he really is in better physical health than when I saw him with Sabbath in '05 (when he'd just started to clean up). Now Ward is not the drummer he once was. But as long as he retains his sense of swing and can lock in with Butler the way they did in the '70s, triggering can solve problems of actual force live.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
I think you also nail why Ozzy was good when you saw him. That guy's voice live these days is not exactly ... unsweetened. At least, that's my suspicion. But hey, I hope this is awesome.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 November 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
Is there anyone in any field more overrated than rick rubin?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 November 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Classic for their run of work from 1970 until 1975, definitely. I'd put the first album with Dio on the classic pile as well. Dud for pretty much everything else, although there are moments here and there which could be kept. Any live version of 'Dirty Women' beats the pants off the studio cut.
― Turrican, Sunday, 13 November 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Dude you just dissed mob rules prepare to dire
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 November 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
Current-day Halford opening for current day Ozzy = blasphemous
also,
^^^this
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 13 November 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Statement on Black Sabbath Album & Tour: Los Angeles, CA – February 2, 2012
Dear Sabbath Fans, Fellow Musicians and Interested Parties, At this time, I would love nothing more than to be able to proceed with the Black Sabbath album and tour. However, I am unable to continue unless a "signable" contract is drawn up; a contract that reflects some dignity and respect toward me as an original member of the band. Last year, I worked diligently in good faith with Tony, Ozzy and Geezer. And on 11/11/11, again in good faith, I participated in the L.A. press conference. Several days ago, after nearly a year of trying to negotiate, another “unsignable” contract was handed to me. Let me say that although this has put me in some kind of holding pattern, I am packed and ready to leave the U.S. for England. More importantly, I definitely want to play on the album, and I definitely want to tour with Black Sabbath. Since the news of Tony's illness, and the understanding that the band would move production to the U.K., I've spent everyday getting to or living in a place of readiness to leave. That involves something of a task, and as I've tried to find out what's going on with the U.K. sessions, I've realized that I've been getting "the cold shoulder" (and, I might add, not for the first time). Feeling somewhat ostracized, my guess is as of today, I will know nothing of what'shappening unless I sign "the unsignable contract." The place I'm in feels lousy and lonely because as much as I want to play and participate, Ialso have to stand for something and not sign on. If I sign as-is, I stand to lose my rights, dignity and respectability as a rock musician. I believe in freedom and freedom of speech. I grew up in a hard rock/metal band. We stood for something then, and we played from the heart with honesty and sincerity. I am in the spirit of integrity, far from the corporate malady, I am real and honest, fair and compassionate. If I'm replaced, I have to face you, the beloved Sabbath fans. I hope you will not hold me responsible for the failure of an original Black Sabbath lineup as promoted. Without fault finding, I want to assure everyone that my loyalty to Sabbath is intact. So here I am. I lay my truth down before you. I'm good to go IF I get a “signable” contract. I don't want to let anyone down, especially Black Sabbath and all the Sabbath fans. You know I love you. It would be a sad day in Rock if this current situation fell to the desires of a few. My position is not greed-driven. I'm not holding out for a "big piece" of the action (money) like some kind of blackmail deal. I’d like something that recognizes and is reflective of my contributions to the band, including the reunions that started fourteen years ago. After the last tour I vowed to never again sign on to an unreasonable contract. I want a contract that shows some respect to me and my family, a contract that will honor all that I've brought to Black Sabbath since its beginning. That's the story so far. Stay safe and stay strong. I love every single one of you. --Bill Ward
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
Go Bill
― Phibes Kartel (NickB), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
I can't believe the Osbourne camp would try to take advantage of any situation. They never do that.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Not at all surprised, but fuck this really bums me out. If I lose my chance to see these guys because of Osbourne dickishness I'll be so pissed off.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
bill magill to thread
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I'm 100% behind Bill Ward assuming what he is saying is true, but I was really excited for this album and tour.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be really surprised if this is anything else but Sharon's machinations. This is the same people that OVERDUBBED out the bass and drums on Ozzy's first album to keep from paying royalties.
― earlnash, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
maybe they could just avoid Osbourne altogether and get Ian Gillan back in the band.
― tylerw, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
Watch, the tour and album will end up being Ozzy + Black Label Society as his backing band or some shit.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
This happened the last time they reunited. Exact same thing, this is total deja vu. Ward ended up playing.
Count me in the Ward camp here. Embarrassing.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
Iommi and Butler need to show some stones here. Back your old mate. We were promised the original Black Sabbath.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
need to know exactly what it is in the contract that Ward doesn't like tbh
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 3 February 2012 08:56 (twelve years ago) link
Probably giving up publishing or something like that. The original Sabs all shared writing credits for all songs.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
difficult not to suspect Sharon in this
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
If Ward does end up playing, I'm sure Sharon will just man the sound booth to turn him down before pelting him with dozens of eggs at the end of each show.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
It is my hope that tomorrow it will turn out that Bill gets to play and no one will ever really know the details of the contract or who was behind it sharon.
― beachville, Friday, 3 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
This is obviously Sharon and her lapdog Ozzy.
RIP Dio. Bring back Heaven and Hell with Bruce Dickinson or somebody, because this Sabbath thing seems to be toast.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
Or the Gillan lineup as was mentioned above, maybe Ward would be up for that one. Or Bev Bevan.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
how about Tony 'Nyan Cat' Martin?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 3 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely not. Fuck that guy.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
We were saddened to hear yesterday via Facebook that Bill declined publicly to participate in our current Black Sabbath plans...we have no choice but to continue recording without him although our door is always open... We are still in the UK with Tony. Writing and recording the new album and on a roll... See you at Download!!!
- Tony, Ozzy and Geezer
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 6 February 2012 08:59 (twelve years ago) link
fuck 'em
― RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
No band gets great without a great drummer. Ward is certainly no exception.
― beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
iirc, Ozzy didn't even know about this until months after the reissues were in the stores.
Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy gets to the studio the first day and says, "Wait, where's Bill?"
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
It'll be Vinny Appice then, more than likely.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 6 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
If Bill is sitting on his bed in LA patiently waiting for the taxi to call, he'll be there a long time. His transparent effort to get fans to persuade Ozzy & Co. to support Ward is likely to backfire, especially when all focus is now on Tony Iommi’s treatment for lymphoma, making a new record, and healing old wounds. Perhaps Ward has a point but to the general public, it sounds like sour grapes. At this rate, Ward is likely to be spending the summer watching highlights of the Sabbath reunion on MTV. But in all the fracas, we did get a confirmation Black Sabbath plans to be at the Download festival. Got sticks? Stay tuned. And Go Tony!
http://www.epiphone.com/News/Features/News/2012/Black-Sabbath-Seeks-New-Drummer.aspx
― beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Well, fuck you Sharon. Does anyone know if theres any foundation that Iommi supports? After this bullshit, I think I'm going to take the money I would have spent on the new album and tickets for the tour and donate it in Iommi's name instead of giving one more fucking cent to an organization that would allow a founding member to be treated with such disregard. Awful.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy gets to the studio the first day and says, "Wait, where's Bill?
Very likely otm.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
alternately: "Wait, where's who's Bill?"
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
guilty lol
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
i really hate entertainment journalists who feign to speak for 'the general public'
― RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, yeah, the "general public" I'm in touch with is squarely on Ward's side on this.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Sharon has some pretty solid connections with Epiphone. A week ago she hosted their roast of Zakk Wylde.
― beachville, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
i also like the "got sticks?" thing as if they band will just hold open auditions to any dickhead with a kit
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
God, i'm sure that was a laugh riot.
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― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
To preempt any sidetracks here, I am in no way equating the state and/or talent of the two bands here, but that is exactly what the Pumpkins did to replace Chamberlin to pretty much disastrous results.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Really? Seems like such a waste of time when you could just put out feelers to established dudes
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I have no idea why they did it, but Corgan held open auditions (at fucking Guitar Center too, iirc) and ended up going with some 19 year-old kid.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
GENIUS
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Definitely the smartest way to replace the most talented dude you've ever had in your band.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
I would hope that any established drummers steer clear of this out of respect for Ward.
Then again, Ozzy's touring band didn't have any such qualms about jumping on board with Overdubs Of A Madman.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
or joining Metallica lol
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, this has 'Tommy Clueftos Joining Sabbath' all over it.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I have no idea why they did it, but Corgan held open auditions (at fucking Guitar Center too, iirc) and ended up going with some 19 year-old kid
that's becuz only a 19 year old nobody wouldn't already be aware what a colossal dickhole billy is?
― RejoicingShepherd (stevie), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
infinite dickhole
― buzza, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Fair point.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPoomwdNZeY&feature=player_embedded
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 10 February 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, my wife's guitly pleasure is America's Got Talent and I usually get roped into watching it with her, those guys were fun to watch the year they were on.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
At this rate, Ward is likely to be spending the summer watching highlights of the Sabbath reunion on MTV
Highlights, MTV, lol
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 10 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
God, people pretending there's been no Black Sabbath original line-up reunion in 30 years are worse than people pretending Van Halen hasn't toured with DLR in the same span.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Who is "pretending" that?
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Well, the Black Sabbath tour has now been replaced by an "Ozzy & Friends" tour, which just makes me think of a line from the movie King of New York: "Friends? That cocksucker ain't got no friends."
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
AVClub:
The rest of the European tour will be rebranded as “Ozzy and Friends,” featuring the intermittently cognizant Osbourne and a bunch of special guests (including Sabbath bassist Geezer Butler and guitarist Zakk Wylde), which is kind of like being told you’re getting Black Sabbath but then instead just getting Ozzy Osbourne and a bunch of other people, which is pretty much exactly what Black Sabbath fans have been getting for the past 34 years.
Except when they got, you know, Black Sabbath.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that's a weird statement. That said, at least Ozzy is honoring the dates. They could've just canceled. Axl Rose has canceled shows/tours for way less (he got a hangnail! He poured orange juice in his cereal instead of milk!)
― Gamera died for our sins (J3ff T.), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah #shotsfired at Dio too >:(
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Message From Tony
Hiya,
A little update on how it's all going:
Well, I've had the last dose of chemotherapy so hopefully my body will start to get back to normal soon, the steroids were the worse. I've now got three weeks of radiotherapy coming up which I'm told can be very tiring so we'll see.
A big thanks to Ozzy and Geezer for coming over to England, it was a big incentive for me, we managed to work most days and have some great new tracks.
And, importantly thanks again for your kind messages, hope to be seeing you soon.
- Tony
― shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
Good news, but where is Ward?
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
Still in the States, I assume.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Classic in theory, dud to actually listen to for more than 2-3 songs in a row
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
Poliopolice wrote this on thread Islands (Ex-Unicorns project) on board I Love Music on Mar 7, 2012pitchfork gave it a good review
Poliopolice wrote this on thread Genesis: "Land Of Confusion" on board I Love Music on Mar 16, 2012this song kicks ass all over the place
Poliopolice wrote this on thread MTV Buzz Bin: Volume 1 - The Zen of Buzz Clips: From a Guy Named Buzz on board I Love Music on Mar 20, 2012gin blossoms by a country mile, fuckaz
― shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
Hooray! Someone learned how to use search.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
By the way, 3 posts do not completely encapsulate someone's tastes, and to think that you have found damning evidence against my ability to appreciate art suggests that you have bought into a rather silly fallacy that you can generalize heavily about someone by using a very small number of data points.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.essexma.org/Pages/EssexMA_Police/PoliceCar.gif
― shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Rooseveltinwheelchair.jpg/270px-Rooseveltinwheelchair.jpg
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
: )
― shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
So Black Sabbath has been confirmed for Lollapalooza this summer (which, given past years, means they won't be playing another Chicago show this year), and the promoters are swearing that all four original members will be there.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
wut
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
That's encouraging.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
Having seen Black Sabbath (original line-up plus replacement model) in (relatively) recent years, plus a few Ozzy solo sets, I fear this show will find the band at ... off-peak. But I bet the crowd will be a blast.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
Hey, even doddering old Black Sabbath would be a treat for me, since I've never seen them before. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Wouldn't be the first time a Chicago promoter was blowing smoke.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I saw the originals in '06 and they were incredible, and the Dio model at Radio City and the subsequent tour and they were incredible. Granted that's a few years ago, and as everbody knows I'm a little biased, but you definitely have to go.
I really hope Ward is involved, its not the same if he's not
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
The question is not whether they're booked, it's whether they'll ... make it. When I saw them years ago I thought Ward looked half-dead (because he had just recovered from a heart attack, for sure). Ozzy was a mess, barely hitting his cues. And now with Iommi's deal, I dunno. I hope they pull it off.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Ward was good in '06 post heart attack. The weak link was totally Ozzy, which was the case in their heyday as well. 70's era Sabbath was great due to a combination of cruashing riffage combined with a killer bass-drums pocket. Elmer Fudd could have sung for them, I wouldnt have cared
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
there's a lollapalooza this summer? lol
― lebron traveled (am0n), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
there's a lollapalooza every summer!
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― lebron traveled (am0n), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
I'm just pissed that the Afghan Whigs are on the bill, which means they won't play somewhere I'd rather see them and will force me to find a way to go just for them. Ideally on Black Sabbath day.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, its sort of annual ritual of disappointment, looking over the Lollapalooza schedule seeing 2-3 bands out of hundreds that I really want to see, then realizing I'm not going to pay ridiculous money to see those 2-3 bands but also realizing they won't be playing anywhere else around town any time soon
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOyhv2-btg
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
What an incredible and underrated song
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I did a little Audacity work and mixed the drum & bass tracks for three tunes ("After Forever", "Sweet Leaf", "Into the Void"), check 'em out here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bczmt70ehltjq05
― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
Original Black Sabbath drummer Bill Ward made a statement confirming that "a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued."Writing on his website, the drummer said."At this time I have to inform you that I won't be playing with Black Sabbath at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at Download on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza on August 3, 2012.It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I'm very, very sorry that it's fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.He goes on to say:"Earlier in April 2012, I'd been asked to participate "minimally" in the Download festival. I believe I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs."
Writing on his website, the drummer said.
"At this time I have to inform you that I won't be playing with Black Sabbath at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at Download on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza on August 3, 2012.
It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I'm very, very sorry that it's fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.
He goes on to say:
"Earlier in April 2012, I'd been asked to participate "minimally" in the Download festival. I believe I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs."
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
disgusting. fuck osborne and fuck the rest of sabbath for going along with this. it's a disgrace.
― It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
ozzy's just a pathetic joke at this point.
I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs.
this is fucking ridiculous
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
lame.
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, indicates that they just wanted his name & endorsement for marketing purposes. bastards.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
sharon to blame or all of them?
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
My wife likes to watch America's Got Talent (we all have our weaknesses) and, as a result of only seeing her on that show, thinks Sharon is just "the sweetest" and she rolls her eyes at me whenever I launch into a "Sharon is evil" tirade.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
wow, that's messed up. is there some reason to think that Ward isn't physically capable of playing the drums for these gigs?
― tylerw, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
it might be sharon's idea, but the other three are willing to go along with it.
i don't know. maybe bill ward's an intolerable person to be in a band with. i find it hard to believe though, and the osbournes have previous when it comes to fucking over their rhythm sections.
― Sisig Steve (stevie), Thursday, 17 May 2012 07:08 (eleven years ago) link
maybe bill ward's an intolerable person to be in a band with.
^never met him, but by all accounts he's one of the best guys in rock. Fuck the osbournes, and fuck iommi and butler for going along with this shit. This is one of the most insulting things Ive ever heard of. 3 songs????? It's Bill fucking Ward!
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
BLACK SABBATH Statement:We have decided not to make any detailed comment on Bill's latest statement. There are two sides to every story. We have been working hard at rehearsals making excellent progress after Tony's treatments and we have engaged a substitute drummer for the forthcoming shows. See you at Download.--Black Sabbath, 5/17/12
We have decided not to make any detailed comment on Bill's latest statement. There are two sides to every story. We have been working hard at rehearsals making excellent progress after Tony's treatments and we have engaged a substitute drummer for the forthcoming shows. See you at Download.
--Black Sabbath, 5/17/12
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
in other words bill is telling the truth and they cant come up with a truthful credible reply
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't they have an agreement (similar to the Sex Pistols' one) where it's not "Black Sabbath" if it's not the four originals? (witness the release of the RJDio fronted live album where even that's who Black Sabbath was at the time, they couldn't name the band on that CD?)...
or was it 'verbal'..
― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 08:46 (eleven years ago) link
I've seen the original Black Sabbath, plus "Black Sabbath" with Mike Bordin from Faith No More on drums, so no. Also, there have been lots of other Black Sabbath permutations on the road. Always business, never personal.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
but then sharon bought the rights to the name from Iommi.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
When did that happen? Because I don't think there's ever been a Black Sabbath minus Iommi. In fact, I want to say that Iommi is the only one who has never been replaced in Black Sabbath, and weren't there lawsuits regarding the name as recently as a year or two ago?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
presumably when ozzy rejoined late 90s. thats why dio sabbath couldnt use the name
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
tbf for a huge % of the population the black sabbath name = ozzy, so billing the dio band as "heaven & hell" was probably a good idea just for bringing in just the audience that wanted to see that lineup, which was large enough to suggest the name change didn't hurt them
― some dude, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
tbf for a huge % of the population the black sabbath name = ozzy
^then a huge % of the population is idiots who don't know a fucking thing about what they are talking about.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
For me Bill Ward>>>>>>>>Ozzy
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, May 18, 2012 8:48 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Correct, the settlement on the use of the name was very recent.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
Ward apparently was not a party to the settlement, if all this crap is hitting the fan.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
So, what constitutes a bottom-line Black Sabbath now? Ozzy, and Sharon on Bongos?
― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
summary:
On 2 February 2012, Ward publicly announced that he would not participate in the Black Sabbath reunion unless he was given a "signable contract." The following day, the other group members announced they had "no choice but to continue recording without him," but also said "our door is always open" for Ward to return to the band.[13] In February 2012, the band announced that they will not continue the world tour but will play the Download festival in June 2012. Instead of Black Sabbath, the tour will feature Osbourne and a revolving line-up of guest musicians, billed as "Ozzy and Friends". On 11 April 2012, Lollapalooza founder Perry Farrell announced that Black Sabbath will perform at Lollapalooza 2012. Farrell said this will be Black Sabbath's only American concert in 2012.[151] Some time in late April 2012, Bill Ward was added back to the band's official Facebook page as a member of Black Sabbath. On May 15, 2012, Bill Ward posted on his website that "after a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued" and that he would not be participating in the reunion shows, but "will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate 'signable' terms with Sabbath’s representatives in the future."[152]
― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Misread part of the above as the tour will feature Osbourne and a revolting line-up of guest musicians.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
maybe members of Velvet Revolter will be involved
― some dude, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
It would be so cool if Ward got to sing for Velvet Revolver.
― how's life, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
Fuck THIS shit:
https://twitter.com/#!/basementgalaxy/status/203532603314274305
Oh this is priceless, the new Black Sabbath website has old photos of the band with Bill Ward cropped out. Classy! http://t.co/HnzKrrrY
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Related:
https://twitter.com/#!/basementgalaxy/status/203533198871887873
Sabbath fans are really letting the band have it on Facebook. As if the band cares what they think. http://t.co/2y1ASsgu
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
man that's a shame. I just watched Classic Albums: Paranoid and Ward came off as the coolest dude. I hate to see musical vendettas.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
It's only a matter of time before they announce new remasters with Ward's drums replaced. Geezer and Tony are assholes for going along with the Osbourne clan down this path.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
omg @ that website
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
unbelievable
definitely sinking into "more ridiculous than spinal tap" territory.
― tylerw, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
not cropped out herehttp://www.blacksabbath.com/history.html
― am0n, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
kelly o's still growing out her mustache to shoot the new band photos
― some dude, Friday, 18 May 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
I'd rather see a reunion of the Tyr era band than this shit. this is not Black Sabbath by any stretch. They wont be getting any of my dough.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
As for this weekend's warm-up show in Birmingham, the drummer only learned of the concert at the end of April, from an online advert. "I had no prior knowledge of the date and location, and I felt totally excluded." After about a week of back and forth, Ward claims he received the following offer: "Come to the UK, play for free and see how the first show goes.""I was tempted," he said. "Playing for free would not have been a problem for me, but … I can't come to Birmingham and 'see what happens' knowing there is a risk of not being able to play Download or Lollapalooza … I had to say 'no' to Birmingham on the principle of wanting to play all the shows."While Ward maintains an "open mind" about future work with Black Sabbath, the 2012 negotiations seem to have reached a dead end. "I hold no malice or resentment towards the other band members," he said. "My fight has never been with them. I'll love them forever. In my opinion, nobody wins this time; the band doesn't win; the fans for an original lineup don't win. Nobody wins, nobody. Even the ones who thought they did."
"I was tempted," he said. "Playing for free would not have been a problem for me, but … I can't come to Birmingham and 'see what happens' knowing there is a risk of not being able to play Download or Lollapalooza … I had to say 'no' to Birmingham on the principle of wanting to play all the shows."
While Ward maintains an "open mind" about future work with Black Sabbath, the 2012 negotiations seem to have reached a dead end. "I hold no malice or resentment towards the other band members," he said. "My fight has never been with them. I'll love them forever. In my opinion, nobody wins this time; the band doesn't win; the fans for an original lineup don't win. Nobody wins, nobody. Even the ones who thought they did."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
Arik 'Moonhawk' Roper talking about the Hipgnosis sleeve art to Technical Ecstasy in the current issue of WIRE = classic.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
link?
― am0n, Friday, 18 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
Bill Ward seems like a guy with a pretty great attitude.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
"Come to the UK, play for free and see how the first show goes."
This is unbelievable.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah. dude is putting on a brave front but I can't imagine wanting to play with those other assholes after this kind of treatment.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
I hope he gets some good guest spots or something out of this. Like, if I had a famous band, I would be all like "Bill Ward, you want to play with us?" right now.
― Lee Morgan Come Again (how's life), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Can I play devil's advocaat for a mo?
This sounds like they have a problem with Bill's ability...
― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe I could buy that if the Osbornes already didn't have an EXTENSIVE history of fucking people over and doing extremely childish things (like cropping people out of photos, erasing them from albums, throwing eggs at them onstage etc etc etc). As soon as I saw the images popped up in their website with Ward cropped out, it was confirmation enough for me.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
When I saw Sabbath 13 years ago I had a major problem with Ozzy's ability, he still seems to be there though...
― A++++++ would deal with again (Matt #2), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
Although yes it wouldn't surprise me if Bill has trouble keeping up these days.
― A++++++ would deal with again (Matt #2), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
this is pitiful bush league fuckery that has the Osbournes' fingerprints all over it
― Vermicious Knid A (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
― Mark G, Friday, May 18, 2012 3:33 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Have you heard Ozzy recently?
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
And if that was the case, why not talk to Bill and reach some sort of detente behind closed doors. Give him a golden parachute or something in return for saying he's "retired". Dont tell the guy he can show up and play for free as a tryout-its Bill fucking Ward!
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
its Bill fucking Ward!
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill fucking Magill)
― am0n, Friday, 18 May 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
I mentioned upthread that when I saw Sabbath a decade ago, I thought Ward was having trouble keeping up. This was after his return from his heart attack. But then, he did keep up, so I'm not sure what the prob is. Maybe he got worse? But of course, if he couldn't do it, it's not a "I think I can, I think I can" situation. If he couldn't do it he couldn't fake it, so it seems unlikely that performance is an issue.
Geezer and Ozzy have it easy. All Geezer has to do is sleep through his rote-simple (but don't get me wrong, still awesome!) riffs, and Ozzy just has to be subtle about peeing his pants.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
at least he's being subtle about something for once
― bailiwaka flocka (some dude), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
By "subtle" I meant "subtly dumping buckets of water over himself to hide the fact that he is incontinent."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's a secret I like these guys a little bit. This kind of stupidity really bothers me. But I'm an idiot for thinking it's not about money at this point.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
this is fucking infuriating bullshit
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
I'd find some satisfaction, at least, in how hated Sharon Osbourne is in the metal community, if not for the fact that so many housewives love her now
― Chris S, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
Ever since the Iron Maiden debacle, Sharon has had no cred at all.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
cause she had so much before?
― Tailpipe Store (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
for exasperating lols go find the few defenders of this move on Black Sabbath's Facebook page, including one especially aggro clueless dude who opines that "the drummer [is] the most expendable position in any band" - lol anyone who believes this knows literally nothing about bands
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 19 May 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
couldn't resist
http://whatdrummer.tumblr.com/
― ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Saturday, 19 May 2012 05:42 (eleven years ago) link
Geezer Butler sez...
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
Hmmmm...he sorta wins me over with the "stay frosty".
― Lee Morgan Come Again (how's life), Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
That Geezer bit is total bullshit. Key takeaway:
He hadn’t told any one of us he was having contractual problems, and frankly those things are worked out between our representatives, and never between the four of us let alone in public.
So basically the band, not surprisingly, is in Fleetwood Mac lockdown land, where the members don't talk to each other, and every member has its own manager, each looking out for their client's best interests. That's fine, but on that count Geezer's take is so disingenuous. He likely has no idea how much Bill may have been getting hosed, or maybe how much more he was slated to make than Bill. He has no idea what Bill's contract looked like, or exactly what Bill was offered. He says Bill was asking an "unreasonable" amount, but maybe that "unreasonable" amount was much less than his. Maybe the contract severely limited Bill's rights, or curtailed his potential participation, seeing how it seems the other three had been planning this "reunion" with either no or another drummer all along.
The good thing about being in the dark is that it allows you to write what Geezer wrote with this falsely objective tone. The fact that he plays Tony's condition and this "charity" show for sympathy is a further bullshit red flag.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
via Alex in NYC
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4bpzukgJA1qaxybpo1_500.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, the whole "We never talk to each other about these things; why didn't he talk to us about this?" angle gives it a distinct whiff of bullshit.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
i've still only ever heard 'iron man' and 'paranoid'. and since it power gets on my tits when singers follow the guitar lines PRECISELY, without bothering to come up with a vocal melody, i've explored no further.
― dextor ellis bextor, Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
ignorance is never anything to crow about, y'knowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4zlAd_eXjM
― Sisig Steve (stevie), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
yeah theres enough people with that shtick on ilm
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
As you may expect, a one off show at Donnington Festival (Download) costs an absolute fortune to stage, involving over 50 people, transport, air fares, hotels, meals, agents, promotors, accountants, lawyers etc,
pfffffffffbbbtt fuck off Geezer
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I do like that lawyers are exempt from the category of 'people'
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
Geezer, doing it for the people.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
Josh, I wanna know why Kot isn't writing about this. Since the C3 promoters made a very explicit point to state that the headliner would be "all four original members". like the guy, but he slobs at Lolla's knob every year.
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
I think it just happened a couple of days ago, right? I bet it shows up, but DeRo is a bigger bee on Perry's bonnet.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Wonder if E3 will do the right thing and offer refunds to the five people who would take them.
How was the Birmingham show, er, charity event received?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
Answer: well-received. Setlist:
INTO THE VOIDUNDER THE SUNSNOWBLINDWAR PIGSWHEELS OF CONFUSIONELECTRIC FUNERALBLACK SABBATHTHE WIZARDBEHIND THE WALL OFSLEEPNIBFAIRIES WEAR BOOTSLORD OF THIS WORLDTOMORROW’S DREAMSWEET LEAFSYMPTOM OF THEUNIVERSEIRON MANDIRTY WOMENCHILDREN OF THEGRAVESABBATH BLOODYSABBATHPARANOID
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
Damn good setlist.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus. You sure can't fuck with that setlist. my god
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
"Wheels of Confusion" for fucks sake
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
A ridiculously great setlist...and no Bill Ward. So mind boggling.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
any money this is how The Stone Roses gigs end up.
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
If the Stone Roses ended up doing nothing but Black Sabbath covers that would be kinda amazing.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe they can get Ward to sit in on drums.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
There has been a long storied history of old classic rock drummers somehow getting with younger bands. Ginger Baker in Masters of Reality, Paul Thompson in Concrete Blonde. Um ...
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
Kenney Jones played on a Primal Scream record.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
Bone Thugs 'N Harmony and Phil Collins amirite
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
Mo Tucker with the cruddy indie band that she toured with about 12 years ago? so bland and non-descript that I can't remember their name and can't be bothered to google. Only time I've seen Mo, though, and she was so sweet. @ the Empty Bottle
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
She did something with Half Japanese, didn't she?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
Mick Fleetwood played on that one Matthew Sweet record.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
nah, wasn't Half Jap .. i actually did buckle and check Mo's wiki and the shit isn't even mentioned there :-/
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
Mike Joyce was briefly in Suede.
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
Moe worked w/Magnet.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
Elvin Jones toured with Hood
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
ok not really
ah, Magnet. google says that must have been it. god what a slog that show was. Seeing Mo at the Empty Bottle was super great, tho!!
― Stormy Davis, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Response To Geezer’s StatementPosted on May.20, 2012 under Black SabbathDear Sabbath Fans and Musicians,I have read Geezer’s statement of May 19, 2012 titled “Heavy Heart.” Out of respect for the Birmingham gig, I wanted to wait 24 hours before releasing this statement. There are some points he brought up which I want to respond to.1) I had indeed notified Ozzy, Tony and Geezer, well before my first public statement, that I was having contractual difficulties.2) I came out into a public forum to be accountable to the fans primarily, and to say at a public level there’s a problem. The band members stopped talking and corresponding with me some time ago, with the exception of a nice letter from Tony on my birthday. Prior to that, Geezer and I were corresponding, but that stopped abruptly in late February after I emailed a specific question to him.3) In my statement of May 15, I clearly stated I would play Birmingham for free. That was not a problem – charity or otherwise.4) My Download fee was not an extravagant amount. Originally, when Download was part of a full tour, I had asked for a decent fee. More recently, as we were negotiating just Download/Birmingham and Lollapalooza, I told my attorney that I would accept the proposed small Download fee, but there were other parts of the offer that were unsatisfactory.I will continue to be honest and respectful towards the band and our fans. I will also confront any untruths about me, and any fault finding missions aimed at me that come to my attention.I hope the band and the fans had a good gig in Brum.Stay safe/stay strong.Bill Ward
Posted on May.20, 2012 under Black Sabbath
Dear Sabbath Fans and Musicians,
I have read Geezer’s statement of May 19, 2012 titled “Heavy Heart.” Out of respect for the Birmingham gig, I wanted to wait 24 hours before releasing this statement. There are some points he brought up which I want to respond to.
1) I had indeed notified Ozzy, Tony and Geezer, well before my first public statement, that I was having contractual difficulties.
2) I came out into a public forum to be accountable to the fans primarily, and to say at a public level there’s a problem. The band members stopped talking and corresponding with me some time ago, with the exception of a nice letter from Tony on my birthday. Prior to that, Geezer and I were corresponding, but that stopped abruptly in late February after I emailed a specific question to him.
3) In my statement of May 15, I clearly stated I would play Birmingham for free. That was not a problem – charity or otherwise.
4) My Download fee was not an extravagant amount. Originally, when Download was part of a full tour, I had asked for a decent fee. More recently, as we were negotiating just Download/Birmingham and Lollapalooza, I told my attorney that I would accept the proposed small Download fee, but there were other parts of the offer that were unsatisfactory.
I will continue to be honest and respectful towards the band and our fans. I will also confront any untruths about me, and any fault finding missions aimed at me that come to my attention.
I hope the band and the fans had a good gig in Brum.
Stay safe/stay strong.Bill Ward
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
No Supernaut, no credibility.
― I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
Bill's statements totally pass the smell test imho
― Sisig Steve (stevie), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:09 (eleven years ago) link
You realise that eventually Universal will run out of semi-dormant or struggling record labels to buy, and will start buying up semi-dormant or struggling 'Legacy' band incorporations?
And that by the year 2201, Morrissey will be the sole member of Black Sabbath?
― Mark G, Monday, 21 May 2012 08:44 (eleven years ago) link
That setlist rules. No Supernaut though, which is weird, especially if they are playing Under the Sun and Tomorrow's Dream. Play those 3 and Cornucopia, and you can call it the Vol. 4 Tour.
this is true: "3) In my statement of May 15, I clearly stated I would play Birmingham for free. That was not a problem – charity or otherwise."
Still with Bill here.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 21 May 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
who sat in for ward at birmingham?
― akm, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
Ozzy's drummer.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
The Stone Roses would play Supernaut. Top buzz.
― Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Monday, 21 May 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
well, you can check out what the ward-less sabbath sounded like here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1103
― tylerw, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure they sounded just fine. I've interviewed Tommy Clufetos (the sub drummer) and he says he strives to play old songs in a familiar manner without changing the arrangements or getting all crazy. Prior to working with Ozzy, he was Rob Zombie's drummer, and before that he played with Alice Cooper and Ted Nugent.
― 誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
But there was never any question of that. They could find a million people to play these songs; they're generally not that challenging. Ironically, only Ozzy can't be replaced. But a reunion is a reunion, and if they're not all there, it is not a reunion.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
It's a farce. Fuck Tommy Clufetos
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
anybody who doesn't have a fuck tommy clufetos tatttoo by this time next week is posing
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
post your pics
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
I shouldn't skim. I thought aero wrote "anyone who doesn't fuck tommy clufetos by this time next week is posing". If you miss the tattoo part it seems overly ambitious.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
only the most kvlt will fuck tommy clufetos
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
impale him on your blackened painis.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that said blackened paninis for a minute and didn't see how that was tr00 or KVLT.
― I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
fucking a panini machine would be metal as hell though.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Only if it was the devil's panini machine.
― Hellhamster 2: Hamster Smashed Face (J3ff T.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
sick sick sex.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
NEW ALBUM NEWS
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Nude album nudes.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
No thank you.
― afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure I'll give it at least one listen, but it's very fair to say I'm not expecting much.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
I have to say the Rubin treatment is the only possibility of this being good but my expectations are low
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Had a brief discussion w/Adrien yesterday re the album title - my theory is that 13 counts the 8 albums with Ozzy, the 3 with Dio (including Dehumanizer) and Born Again. Sorry, Glenn Hughes and Tony Martin - you don't count.
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
What's rubin's track record for these late-in-the game comeback jobs? I'm assuming the first Cash one would be at the top, but a poll might be interesting.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
His work on Ballbreaker is tremendous. Easily the best-produced post-Lange AC/DC record.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
I like Ballbreaker. I also like Death Magnetic a whole lot, though.
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
"He's just a vibe merchant, really. He vibes you up. He's not one who gets involved hands-on," Iommi said. "He leaves it to you to do it and he sort of says, 'Yeah, I like it,' you know, or, 'I don't like it.'"
In Shut Up and Sing it's evident that Rubin didn't even set foot in the studio for the Dixie Chicks' Taking The Long Way. They show up at his house and play him what they've done so far. He says "Nice chorus" or "That sounds good." The only reasonable conclusion one could draw is that he's running a con job. Coincidentally or not, the production on that record is abysmal.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Rubin produced the third Slipknot album, and their singer, Corey Taylor, said this about that in 2011:
"There are some people who would love for me to toe the party line, which is basically, 'Working with Rick Rubin was a very enriching experience.' Let me give you the fucking truth of it: Rick Rubin showed up for 45 minutes a week. Rick Rubin would then, during that 45 minutes, lay on a couch and have a mic brought in next to his face so he wouldn't have to move...The Rick Rubin of today is a thin, thin, thin shadow of the Rick Rubin that he was. He is overrated, he is overpaid, and I will never work with him again as long as I fucking live."
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
Jakob Dylan also laid on the Rubin hate in a recent WTF interview.
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
you lazy for this one rick
― tylerw, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Nice to finally hear someone call Rubin out. Really seems like he's been coasting on his rep for a while. But it benefits both parties: bands get the "cred" (such as it is) and resulting uptick in sales (however small) of having Rubin's name on their record (sound apparently being a secondary concern), and Rubin gets the dough.
xp
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
This has been the deal w/Rubin forever and forever - can he actually engineer at all?
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
I assume (perhaps naively) that he must have some rudimentary engineering knowledge, at the very least.
I wouldn't think he was overrated if he was a serious non-engineering motivator a la Guy Stevens or Kit Lambert. But "hm, good chorus" does not production make.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
iirc in that Jay-Z doc RR was in there making beats like he did in the 80s. but as far as having any hands-on involvement when making a record means putting mics in front of instruments and putting hands on the mixing board, yeah.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
lots of bands have started doing an album with Rubin and then fired him or parted ways to finish it w/o him: U2, Weezer Crosby Stills & Nash, Velvet Revolver, Hot Hot Heat
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
On those first four Danzig albums, he's producer on the first few, "executive producer" on the fourth one. Either way, he tends to use great studios and obviously hires some excellent engineers. But yeah, Reign in Blood was a long time ago.
I hope he can help Sabbath not sound overproduced. The Heaven & Hell record was perfect. I don't believe this will be nearly as good as that was.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
gonna need a lot of smoothing for Ozzy's vocals, and pitch correction.....Dio was still singing pretty incredibly on that H&H studio album, but yeah the production on that was perfect for what they were doing.
― NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:41 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is kinda awesome tbh
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
Not if you're in the band, I would imagine.
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
yeah stories like that are great if you hate the musicians who had to watch their session go to shit I guess
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 January 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
Rick Rubin has been coasting on his Rubin-aura for a long-assed time. Half the people I hear that talk about how incredible he is usually have no recent examples when asked for reasons why.
(I did not like Death Magnetic, fwiw...)
― NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
New album news with Rubin producing does not surprise me. Someone liking Death Crapnetic does, though.
― calstars, Monday, 14 January 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
Not really a true successor to Never Say Die without Ward. Bill's been treated like shit
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:06 (eleven years ago) link
Instead of a fraud like rubin, they should just see if the guy who set the dials on Master of Reality is still alive and coherent. That's all they need.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago) link
If you really need a "vibe merchant" you should be playing golf and not wasting your time. I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward
*massive stadium-sized applause*
― sleeve, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
XD
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:16 (eleven years ago) link
you have to give them credit for finding a drummer with the same number of letters in his name as Bill, anyway
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
I hope the songs sound nothing like "Psycho Man"
― NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Nude album nudes.― Ned Raggett, Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:34 PM (Yesterday
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:34 PM (Yesterday
Ned, it's January and you haven't revived the "Symptom Of The Universe" thread yet! OR LAST YEAR, EITHER!!
― Faster than food (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 14 January 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
The chopped and screwed mixes that NEEDED to happen!
http://livefromthekitchen.bandcamp.com/album/screwing-yourself-to-live-a-chopped-slowed-tribute-to-black-sabbath
― Neil S, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:05 (eleven years ago) link
Was Iommi conscious that he was using the Dorian mode or did it just evolve naturally?
― calstars, Friday, 16 May 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
these clowns
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/apr/09/black-sabbath-pull-out-of-farewell-show-in-japan
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 9 April 2015 07:43 (eight years ago) link
You know Tony Iommi is undergoing treatment for cancer right?
― DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:20 (eight years ago) link
Megalomania
― calstars, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:24 (eight years ago) link
Obsessed/obsessed/obsessed/obsessed with sanitySting me! Suck me!
― calstars, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Black-Sabbath-Never-Say-Die.jpg
Listening to this for the first time. This record is weird and I love it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 October 2015 03:23 (eight years ago) link
Some of this is proto Radiohead proto Flaming Lips noise prog.
Never Say Die! is seriously great (and yes, pretty weird).
Junior's Eyes and particularly Air Dance are superb.
― Birds in Hell, Monday, 19 October 2015 07:43 (eight years ago) link
ozzy's vocals sound like simon le bon on the title track
― please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Monday, 19 October 2015 09:13 (eight years ago) link
not a criticism btw
Was Ozzy into Suicide? "Johnny Blaze" is very synthpunk.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
https://youtu.be/ua8y9g7Upc8?t=2m41s
I like this fuzz wah guitar solo at 2:41 in "Shock Wave".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 October 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
I know Geezer always wrote the lyrics did Ozzy even come up with melodies for this album?
― DavidLeeRoth, Monday, 19 October 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
Yes. Compare to the Ozzy-less version below when Dave Walker from Savoy Brown briefly joined as singer:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ITDbIvjegg
― vmajestic, Monday, 19 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
Also, "Am I Going Insane" badly needs to be on this album instead of Sabotage.
― vmajestic, Monday, 19 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
One of ILM's greatest gifts is interesting me in listening to an album that I probably never would have otherwise. Parts of side 2 sound like King Crimson!
― Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Monday, 19 October 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
BLACK SABBATH extends "The End" tour into Fall 2016
Haha, these fuckers.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link
Should I go see them y/n
If y, is the likelihood of a good show better toward the beginning or end of this now-epic tour?
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
I think Ozzy has some sort of hearing issue because he's not singing on key at all anymore. He sounded great on the last album though, but anyway my vote is no. Actually its likely your last chance to see Iommi so if you haven't already you should go.
― DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
I've never seen them. My wife, a deep level Sabbath fan, thinks it will be a waste of money.
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
I saw them in 1999 had a great time and got to see Heaven and Hell (aka Dio Sabbath twice) and that was a treat too. One of my good friends who's a serious Ozzy defender says his singing is cooked.
― DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
I probably already did this but I recreated my "We Sail Through Endless Skies: The Quiet Black Sabbath Album" mixtape I put up on ILM years ago on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/6KAiYTobROEmgOk0uDMQJh
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
I saw Sabbath (with Bill Ward) in 2004, and Heaven and Hell in 2007. Even though I like 13, and would like to hear them perform some of its songs live (I know they'll probably play one, if that), I'm done.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
I heard plenty of talk of a new album guess that's not happening now? I'd be plenty excited for that. 13 surprised me.
― DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
he's not singing on key at all anymore.
Like some other singers - say, David Lee Roth, actually - singing on key has not been in the cards for decades. I've seen Ozzy solo several times, and Sabbath twice - once with Ward, once with Bordin - and every time Ozzy sounded off-key. But hey, it didn't really hurt the show, and he seemed to be having so much fun up there, what with his incontinence-disguising buckets of water and all.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
Words cannot adequately express how happy I am to be able to spend a snow day tomorrow listening to these. Instrumental versions? Alternate lyrics? A "piano and slide guitar version" of "Lord of This World?" Are you fucking kidding me??
www.ultimateclassicrock.com/black-sabbath-deluxe-reissues/
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:07 (eight years ago) link
Also - they'll do Volume 4, right??
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:09 (eight years ago) link
It'll probably be in the next set. I wonder if the Never Say Die! one will come with a reprint of Ten Year's War?
― "Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 January 2016 03:11 (eight years ago) link
Would buy deluxe versions of every Sabbath album up to and including TYR, but, man am I ever stoked to spend tomorrow with Paranoid and Master of Reality. We're expecting like 14" of snow and I have no plans to leave the house. I also have a nice stash of weed I've been saving for an occasion just like this.
These 'alternate' version things are generally only fun, imo, if you have memorized every cymbal crash, every second of the original album, and, well, my dad was playing these for me in the womb, and there are few albums I know better than the first four Sabbath LPs, so I'm really excited.
I guess, according to the comments section of that article linked above, these have been available in Europe for a few years. News to me!
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:17 (eight years ago) link
Very much stoked to see 'The End' tomorrow. Already reports of Ozzy not making it through the whole set list. Hope the band bring their best to Chicago tomorrow. I was listening to Sabotage this weekend and constantly thinking, 'yeah, there's now way they can hit this energy level now, nor Ozzy hit these notes.' Maybe I'll be surprised.
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:20 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, they've been around for a while. I don't think I need them. I bought the clamshell box with all the Ozzy albums in slimline cases a year or so ago, and that's all I need from those albums. If they've done anything to remaster Past Lives (which didn't sound great when it was on Sanctuary), I might pick that up, though. And I really want a copy of the tour-only CD they're selling with the four outtakes from 13.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 22 January 2016 03:22 (eight years ago) link
according to a few boards, the CD was not available last night at the Omaha show, crossing my fingers for it to be a the merch table tomorrow
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link
I can do without the instrumental versions but would like to hear the alternate lyrics to Planet Caravan.
Will these be Available on Spotify etc tomorrow?
― calstars, Friday, 22 January 2016 03:39 (eight years ago) link
the alt. version of planet caravan is sick
― am0n, Friday, 22 January 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link
Not steaming or torrenting yet that I could find
― calstars, Friday, 22 January 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link
I wish there was some well recorded live material of the original lineup. I think Past Lives/Live at Last is pretty much it.
― earlnash, Saturday, 23 January 2016 04:40 (eight years ago) link
The four studio tracks on The End are really good. It's weird; they put all the long, slow songs on 13 like all anybody wanted from Sabbath were doomy dirges; meanwhile, the deluxe edition, and now this disc, have the more stomping, riff-heavy tracks that really show them at their best.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 24 January 2016 01:06 (eight years ago) link
― earlnash, Friday, January 22, 2016 8:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sad to hear this. no good bootlegs?
― lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 24 January 2016 01:32 (eight years ago) link
pretty sure tylerw's blog has hosted at least a few really good bootlegs in the past - there's one from the sabbath bloody sabbath era which is killer and i'm almost certain i got it from doom and gloom from the tomb
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link
also i think a paranoid-era one from a show in france? also awesome
― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link
I was wrong upthread...the deluxe editions were issued years ago. listened to the paranoid and MoR unreleased tracks...'solitude' in particular is really great. so quiet. and 'Caravan' is six minutes...extended soloing and vibing at the end.
― calstars, Monday, 25 January 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
It was pretty great, though not as good as Lollapalooza. "After Forever" and "Under The Sun/Every Day Comes And Goes" were surprise deep cuts, but I'd rather have heard "Hole In The Sky," "Symptom of the Universe" or even "Supernaut." It's The End tour but they'll be back in September, if one of them doesn't croak before then (I hope not!).
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 05:36 (eight years ago) link
http://sfist.com/2016/06/09/mcdonalds-themed_black_sabbath_cove.php
unrelated: did they ever find Ozzy?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
Plenty of tickets available in the $75 range for the PNC Bank Arts Center show in NJ (August 23). Still haven't convinced myself to take the plunge.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link
So these have now all been reissued. It's the 2012 remaster, I understand. Jimmywine: are you sure the outtakes / alternate takes are worth it?
https://twitter.com/BlackSabbath/status/761645536449536001
― Duke, Friday, 5 August 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link
LOOK-ING-FOR-TO-DAYYYYYYYYYY!!!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:15 (five years ago) link
The supernaut opening drum motif is a take on Hayes’ Shaft. Or is it the other way around ?
― calstars, Friday, 9 August 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link
Songs That Start With This Hi-Hat Pattern
― Josefa, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
! Thanks j
― calstars, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
The s/t is 50 years old today and, by extension, metal as a whole.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link
Dayum
― calstars, Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
sabby birthday
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link
greatest debut album?
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
Kory Grow's deep dive on the album from yesterday, interviewing all four band members and more folks besides, is essential
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-debut-album-heavy-metal-origin-interview-949070/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
xp hmm, there are a few other serious contenders from that era (including In the Court of the Crimson King), but it's definitely up there.
And thanks for the link, Ned, I only read the other RS piece about their not-so-tacit jazziness.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
That hi hat / ride cymbal swing motif can also be heard on the Wheels of Confusion intro and that song also evidences his behind the beat playing during the verses
― calstars, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link
Further RS piece specifically about the cover art.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-cover-art-keef-keith-macmillan-interview-951578/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
Enjoyed reading both of those articles, thanks.
― He’s the Listener DJ, I’m the Listener Rapper (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 February 2020 03:16 (four years ago) link
Great article on the cover art of those first four albums... what a run!
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Friday, 14 February 2020 05:25 (four years ago) link
(...and man, did their covers go seriously downhill afterwards, lol)
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Friday, 14 February 2020 05:28 (four years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/31pkFxn/PVZP71581659249.jpg
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 February 2020 05:38 (four years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/7KJm0Mh/SNhb-C1581659570.jpg
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 February 2020 05:44 (four years ago) link
Lol
― He’s the Listener DJ, I’m the Listener Rapper (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 February 2020 10:51 (four years ago) link
Never Say Die album art is fantastic
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link
Paranoid artwork is terrible
― it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Friday, 14 February 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link
yeah it sucks shit but it's iconic shit, i can't imagine it with another cover
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 February 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link
Bingo. That said, maybe the original album title, War Pigs would have offset its awfulness somewhat.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Friday, 14 February 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link
Nothing against Ward, I love the guy, but imagine someone with true jazz chops on those extended instrumentals on the first album
― ncxkd, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link
No I'm good
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
Huh? Ward is awesome.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:35 (four years ago) link
One of my favorite lines of inquiry. Not.
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link
Ward is like Ginger Baker if Ginger Baker were as good as Ginger Baker thought he was.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
They both lack precision and chops, I don’t see the shame in admitting that. They have other strengths
― calstars, Monday, 24 February 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
I wouldn't want to hear Black Sabbath with Elvin Jones or Art Blakey on drums and neither would you.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 24 February 2020 01:40 (four years ago) link
Thinking about Sabbath with Hal Blaine on drums now and it's doing my head in
― the punk wars are over and prog rock won (Matt #2), Monday, 24 February 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Monday, 24 February 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:36 PM bookmarkflaglink
The idea that Sabbath would be better with a jazz drummer is lol
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link
I believe this kind of substitution thought experiment is often applied to one of Ozzy's favorite bands.
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link
I mean, seriously, if I thought Bill Ward sucked I would say so, but he's great, not just for Sabbath, but, well, especially for Sabbath. "The Wizard" for life, and you want jazz, that song swiiiiiiings.
(Elvin would be cool, too, but only if they replaced everyone else with the line-up of Sharrock's "Ask the Ages.")
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 03:24 (four years ago) link
The Wizard is a great example of a tune that would benefit from some precision and finesse. All that empty space in the verses
― calstars, Monday, 24 February 2020 04:09 (four years ago) link
wtf dude
― brimstead, Monday, 24 February 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link
Man if only those Led Zepplelin albums had Michael Angelo Batio instead
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 04:12 (four years ago) link
Always thought Fun House would’ve sounded better with someone more like Victor Wooten on bass.
― brimstead, Monday, 24 February 2020 04:21 (four years ago) link
Are people seriously litigating the merits of BILL WARD as a drummer - not even as a drummer, he’s no Max Roach, no shit and thanks for sharing - but as the drummer on those Sabbath records, here? GTFO forever
― thewufs, Monday, 24 February 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link
― thewufs, Monday, 24 February 2020 04:43 (four years ago) link
Sorry double post
This is one of the worst challops I've read on ILM, and I fucking love challops.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:08 (four years ago) link
i guess technically it's a great challops, in that it is extremely challenging and requires you to re-examine your preconceptions
however, my preconceptions remain unchanged in this case because bill ward is a fucking monster and iommi/butler/ward are one of the greatest instrumental trios in rock
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:10 (four years ago) link
For maximum impact, said challop should have opened with ‘Nothing against Ozzy, I love the guy...’ Scat Sabbath ftw.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:14 (four years ago) link
some people say my love, can it be true?skibadeebeebopbowskibadeeboo
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link
calstars at 10:09 23 Feb 20The Wizard is a great example of a tune that would benefit from some precision and finesse. All that empty space in the verses
EMPTY SPACE IS IMPORTANTthis is one for the ages, lord I wish Billy Cobham was endlessly jacking off paradiddles throughout the Wizard
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
Iommi was great but imagine if they had a guitar player with five complete fingers!
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
maybe just go listen to jazz ffs
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link
best Black Sabbath lineup:Paul ChambersGene KrupaKenny BurrellRonnie James Dio
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link
Lol. Alsomaybe just go listen to jazz ffs^this
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
if iommi's industrial accident was more serious he could have been a django-level jazz player, missed opportunity on his part imo
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
calstars at 10:09 23 Feb 20The Wizard is a great example of a tune that would benefit from some precision and finesse. All that empty space in the versesEMPTY SPACE IS IMPORTANTthis is one for the ages, lord I wish Billy Cobham was endlessly jacking off paradiddles throughout the Wizard
― calstars, Monday, 24 February 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
You have my blessing.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
I also want to say, having not checked in on this thread in a bit, reading the last dozen or so posts had me laughing until I cried, something that has not occurred for a long while, and certainly not in the last couple of months. It made me really appreciate the wit and love of music that i find here, and I thank you all for it.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
Ward plays all over that empty space though (somewhat awkwardly)― calstars, Monday, February 24, 2020 12:33 PM bookmarkflaglink
THEN IT'S NOT EMPTY SPACE
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
Well it would be, though, if Ward wasn’t playing
― calstars, Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, February 24, 2020 9:53 AM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink
this made my day
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 August 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 2 August 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
https://wickedworld.net/
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
50th anniversary Paranoid reissue, with quad mix and two 1970 concert recordings.
hmm. Sorry the link didn't copy correctly
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
https://img.tmstor.es/blacksabbath/66276-fb02dbf164975e0193063b3874665474.jpg
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
This is the vinyl (read: overpriced and sonically inferior) version of a CD box that came out in 2016.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71TVIyDV3ML.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 21 August 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
You can trust Sabbath to keep on milking it
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
Paranoid 5LP Super Deluxe first two LPs feature the original album plus a Quadraphonic Mix. The collection's final three LPs mark the official vinyl debut of two 1970 live performances. https://t.co/RxFLfHNSPm pic.twitter.com/5vjBkSLuPl— BlackSabbath (@BlackSabbath) August 21, 2020
I'd like to hear the quadrophonic mix. But not enough to pay so much cash
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
I've heard the quad mix and it's groovy, but don't really see the point of "1974 Quad Mix of the album folded down to stereo". One of the things I dig about it is how it adds a bit of psychedelia: a guitars solo circles around the room, etc. I don't listen to 5.1 much but tend to prefer the "gimmicky" ones a bit more than those that just add a bit of tasteful atmosphere, though. (IIRC the quad mix was released as a 5.1 disc on one of the other numerous reissues of this record?)
― blatherskite, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
Never been much of a Dr. Martens guy, but… I kinda want this:
https://www.drmartens.com/uk/en_gb/collaborations/black-sabbath
― pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/KsVteid.pngLovely lads
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link
Bill Ward's tights on the cover of Sabotage were the beginning of the end. Or maybe the end of the beginning.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
so here are some of my favorite versions of the black sabbath song "planet caravan". a singular tune in sabbath's catalog, yes?
rondellusadelinethe anomanonbig bloodnoviluniodarksidemoon duohula hi-fi
any other versions you rate highly, lmk. i guess there's mercury rev's version, but it doesn't seem to add much to the original?
oh and the lyrics to the early alternate version are _so bad_. thank god they floyded it up some.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
Yeah PC is a singular vibe in their canon. I feel like they tried to revisit it to some extent via “solitiude...” I will always remember the first time I heard it, climbing up the stairs to my cousins room in his big house
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link
I'll post this again, my attempt to make Sabbath a weird psych band
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6KAiYTobROEmgOk0uDMQJh?si=n_qOrOp4ThSewb2U_Z3k1Q&utm_source=copy-link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link
Supertzar? I guess it…doesn’t have drums
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
I guess by the time of Vol. 4, the Sabbath ballads like "Changes" were playing to the crowd more than the highly introverted quiet interludes on the earlier albums.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:56 (one year ago) link
By contrast, "Planet Caravan" doesn't even sound like someone singing to themselves, it sounds like an unconscious act.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Picturing Ossie in the spotlight with a grand piano
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link
"Here's a little number we like to call 'God Is Dead?'"
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
“This next one is the first track off our new album…”
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:06 (one year ago) link
that Moon Duo cover of "Planet Caravan" totally rules
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
I trust everyone has seen the live in Paris 1970 footage on youtube by now. Iron Man on that jesus fucking christ.
― even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link
I’m sure there’s a thread about this very thing but the differential between the cover of Sabotage (aggressively terrible) vs the content (absolutely rad and on any given day could be my fave) is stark
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:00 (one year ago) link
I don't know what you're talking about LOL
https://dx72k0ec4onep.cloudfront.net/product/1616/282536311478247228-640x640-5414939920837.jpg
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:04 (one year ago) link
Home in the skyyy-iyyyy
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
Bill Ward did not know they were shooting the cover that day.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
Ozzy looks great though.
― Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
6’ 6” in heels
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link
has ilx ever polled black sabbath album covers?
for the record those tights are rad. versus who's the guy on the left in chino pants? is that geezer butler? dud. i mean they all look awful next to ozzy of course but bill is the second best looking guy on that cover, he's got this weird elfin energy that sums up sabbath's aesthetic really well
btw ums i have enjoyed that weird psych band sabbath comp you put together for... i don't know. probably more than a decade, now? but planet caravan is still in a class by itself.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 2 May 2022 04:05 (one year ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Great to be back
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
Yeah, that's Geezer in the chinos and the giant ass cross, which is typically Tony's look.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
Heels or no heels, I've stood next to Ozzy, and based on that, the other guys in Sabbath must be fucking dwarves. I'm not a giant, — I'm 6'2" — and he's supposedly 5'10" but I think he's at least two inches shorter than that. (He was wearing old-man velcro sneakers at the time.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 May 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link
He might well be shrinking
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 2 May 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6GTf6rOepQ
― calstars, Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
Jazz Sabbath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcr708w1HY
oh yes
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:50 (one year ago) link
This is Geezer Butler- he wrote this!
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 December 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link
Jizz Sabbath
― calstars, Friday, 2 December 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
sorry i think you will find the true story on their Bandcamp page:
Jazz Sabbath (1968) were considered to be at the forefront of the new English jazz movement. Their self-titled debut album would be released on 13 Feb 1970, but on Feb 12th founding member and pianist Milton Keanes was hospitalised with a massive heart attack; leaving him fighting for his life. The record company shelved the album and cancelled the scheduled release out of financial uncertainty of releasing a debut album from a band without its musical leader. When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence. The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.
When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence.
The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
Black Challops
― calstars, Friday, 2 December 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
Lmao James
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link
That version of Iron Man is pretty awesome
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Friday, 2 December 2022 19:18 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/feb/08/black-sabbath-ballet-to-be-staged-in-birmingham
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link