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has it been discussed yet? i haven't been reading ilm lately

i thought it was a dud at first but it is growing on me, this is the part where the rap breaks down is great

― artiste (artiste), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i screwed up the link but it is prob better to copy-n-paste anyway

― artiste (artiste), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the thread where we anticipate Eminem's "Encore"

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

this is really, really disappointing

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, i know we covered it on the other thread, but fucking beavis and butthead jokes? and michael jackson disses? and snippets from "without me" AND "lose yourself"?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

bah, he sounds so disinterested

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHA mark p posted my exact post

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 September 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He's trying to cop the monotonous drone that passes for rapping these days

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 September 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i really miss the Eminem that did "Any Man"

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ryan i was JUST thinking that

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

How many times will Eminem sing about pedophilia before everyone is finally totally creeped out?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 September 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Catchy. But, I'll take him running out of ideas by the time he gets to the third verse (viz, Without Me) over repeating what should be one-use jokes. Pretty good, need to mull it over a bit more.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

and snippets from "without me" AND "lose yourself"?

AND "Superman". Pretty underwhelming stuff.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

kind of unimpressive, yeah. but the beat is nice and the manical laughing is hilarious.

― adam west (adamwest), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got something purporting to be the dirty version (that MP3 up there is supposedly "clean") so must listen to both.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

where'd you get that, edward?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

by this time its just like, ok heres the standard "wacky" em lead off single.

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the synths in it

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"im gonna make you dance, its your chance, yea boy shake that ass. whoops i mean girl. girl girl girl."

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the self-references... but i'd agree that it's a bit underwhelming

― 6335, Monday, 27 September 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

it really sounds like he just did it off the top of his head, that's how half assed it sounds. even as a freestyle it would be subpar, as an actual song, christ. I think i'd rather if he just went all out goth and boring for the lead single just for a change.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

actually this is so bad I'm almost wondering if this is part of his elaborate anti-piracy strategy and he's leaking a shitty decoy for the first single before dropping the real thing.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ehhhhhhh...Yeah, this is weak. Sounds like a mediocre mixtape track. It's doing nothing to raise my expectations for the album.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 27 September 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(it sounds like the obligatory Slim Shady single he was joking about having to make on "Without Me" -- "nobody wants to hear Marshall no more, they want Shady, I'm chopped liver" -- and if you want Shady, this is what he'll give you...)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 27 September 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the boy/ oops / girl girl girl" thing sounds like a sisqo joke (the cadence is from "the thong song"). you'll say it's about five years too late for that but hell, he quotes beavis here too.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I cannot tell the difference between the supposed dirty version I have and that one on that link.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 September 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Are we sure this is it? It seems to rip whole verses from so many old tracks... sounds more to me like an elaborate spoiler.

― Jason J, Monday, 27 September 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard it on the radio yesterday.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 September 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. Talk about running on empty.

― Jason J, Monday, 27 September 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

sucks real bad.

― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I now have no desire to hear this single.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i like al's conspiracy theory. it gives me hope.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had a very distinct feeling since 8 Mile that the next Eminem album was gonna be a complete wipeout. If he proves me wrong I'll be glad, but I just get the feeling that he doesn't have much left in him (and I haven't downloaded the track yet, I will now).

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno, there was lots to like about his verses on "paitently waiting," "hey lady" and the "lean back" remix. i don't think he's tapped, just lazy!

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not what I meant, those were ok.

i don't think he's tapped, just lazy!
well yeah, but to much lazy will eventually = tapped.

Re: mp3
C'mon Mathers, this is a joke right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight? Please?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Man it seems like you guys are ENTIRELY missing the point.

Not that it makes this a GOOD song. In fact, it is unDOUBTedly one of of his worst singles.

But I thought it would have been obvious - this is another layer in his meta-style self analysis.

He sounds bored as hell on purpose. It's gotten to the point where he's mocking his own music, mocking what it takes for him to get a hit. This is CLEARLY a purposeful tactic, which I find absolutely fascinating. Like to avoid becoming formulaic he's intentionally embraced the formula, he even SAYS "this is the part where it gets real quiet" and quotes from a bunch of his songs and says things that sound like he's attempting to be provocative and shocking all while sounding disinterested. Its like he's almost making fun of his audience, DARING them to like something that is so clearly mocking his own formula.

THAT SAID. Despite whatever intentions he has for this single, its still not a fun song to listen (which, like I said, seems to be the point).

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

well yeah, but to much lazy will eventually = tapped.

But he's not! He's been burning it up on recent mixtapes. He's making fun of the IDEA of being tapped. It appears, based on reactions, that he's fallen on his face. But he's embracing everyone's predictions for "where can he go now?!"

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

but WHAT IF eminem's SELF-REFERENTIALITY has itself become a SCHTICK so BLED DRY that there's little FASCINATING about slim shady MAKING A SONG ABOUT MAKING A SONG ABOUT MAKING A SONG anymore?

― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Stop mocking my CAPS lock PROBlem, you JERK! ;)

He actually hasn't gone this far out before, gone to this level where he actually sounds bored making a song where he recycles everything about his old music - the audience was always in on it in the past as well. You're making it sound like I'm defending this approach, or saying that it makes his music good, which it clearly doesn't - the song sucks. I just think it'll be fascinating to see whether his audience embraces it.

Like I said - the song isn't fun to listen to. It's sort of the point though.

And no, he hasn't done this before.

He's never don

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure where that last sentence came from.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Next album he'll have to make a great song making fun of making a song about the idea of being tapped.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

haha exactly.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Having the "Guess who's back, back again" refrain in the beginning AGAIN totally bums me out. I see what djdee is saying, that's why I said it's gotta be a joke.
Burning it up on mixtapes does not necessarily = burning it up on the proper LP where he may be trying to hard and bogging things down in meta-songs and "serious" songs.
We won't know until we hear it.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry if i sounded like i was on the attack djdee, it's just that i didn't feel anyone here had "missed the point", if the point was "here is a lousy eminem song about being a lousy eminem song".

― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
I don't know why I keep using "to" when I mean "too".
I'm usually not that retarded.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"He's never don"...ned a cape? He has, though.

The song is awful. I am praying for it to be a prank. And - never thought I'd say this - Pitchfork OTMFM regarding the abject awfulness of the line "Look who's back with a brand new rap."

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

haha they hit that 'point' on the head.

But saying "wtf why is he quoting his old songs this sucks!" is like ... well duh.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to m.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god that Pfork review is cringeworthy.

Worse than the song itself.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Its like he's almost making fun of his audience, DARING them to like something that is so clearly mocking his own formula.

How transgressive.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I'm not defending the rest of that review. But that line as an opening gambit, I mean Jesus H. Christ. ESPECIALLY (now I have a caps lock problem) if it's "ironic."

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

How transgressive.

For him it is! He usually brings the audience with him, but this time he seems to WANT it to go over there heads. Which is ultimately why it fails I think. But I still find it fascinating.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there = their

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the song a couple nights ago, and I should mention that the entire time I've been discussing it today, I haven't once felt the need to hear it again. It really is awful.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

haha even the song title is mocking his old work.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Every time Eminem does something lame (or sexist, or homophobic) it gets played off as satire, and sometimes it comes off well. I just don't think that he's good a enough satirist to pull this kind of thing off to this extreme.
What's the fucking point of this one even if it is as djdee says? I think people give him entirely too much credit in this respect.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This is even more fascinating a musical failure than Nelly's "Flap Your Wings". Except this is a failure on purpose, which really fucks with my head.

I'd have a really difficult time rating this song.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, people, is there ANY chance it's a decoy?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok if he made a bad song on purpose he succeeded, right? That's the consensus here.
Now then, why should we act like this is something he should get props for?
What is the fucking POINT of making bad songs on purpose? How much satirical milage does making a bad song to make fun of your audience really get?
What if everyone in pop music starts making bad songs on purpose in hopes of becoming a brilliant satirist like Eminem? What then?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

milage = mileage

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What if everyone in pop music starts making bad songs on purpose in hopes of becoming a brilliant satirist like Eminem? What then?

Then the Moldy Peaches win.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Now you have disturbed my tender sensibilities.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Then the Moldy Peaches win.
YES, THIS IS WHY HE MUST BE STOPPED.

(I like Adam Green's "Friends of mine" CD for some reason though)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

MP3 is up on d12world.com as being official, so it's definitely not a decoy.

Here's a flash "teaser" for the album

Shrug. Has a different feel to it than this b.s. song at least.

― jsk baby (jsk baby), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(I just put on AG's FoM. I think I like it because the singing and playing is actually pretty good, and some of the lyrics genuinely make me roffle. None of which I can say about the MP or this new Em song.)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot, does "roffle" mean "laugh" or "vomit"?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha. I also really like Tenacious D, Zappa and Ween. Sue Me.

Just Lose It (Official "dirty" version)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

did he really have to make a bad song to critique himself? could he have made a bored-sounding, cliche-filled subversive song that was also a good one (or is the answer to that obvious)? or is it more radical that the single completely sucks?

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

these aren't rhetorical questions btw

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

See, THIS discussion is why I find the song fascinating. It's awful, but it's fascinating.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the song is awful, that is.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Touche. Never thought I'd be discussing Eminem in terms I usually reserve for Luke Haines, but I guess the guy's an intuitive Situationist.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OK then, now let's imagine that Eminem was genuinely trying to make a GOOD single, and just has lost touch and doesn't know what's good anymore. Discuss.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

And started rapping in lobotomized Kid Rock cadences?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

not much to discuss then is there??

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(goddamn I take it back this Adam Green CD is pretty awful, still sorta like "I Wanna Die", "Jessica" and "Bluebirds". The rest is not much better than MP if you lose the pretty string section.)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Antifolk is such an odd thing. It somehow combines the worst tendencies of hippies and punks into a cohesive, if disgusting, whole.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

IF EMINEM JUST SUCKS NOW HOW IS THAT MORE OR LESS FASCINATING???
because this "wow neato, he did it on purpose" shit really only flies so far.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

what mixtapes tracks are worth downloading so?

― robin (robin), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i've had a night to listen to it a few times. my verdict: it's good enough. not amazing. but whatever. should be good enough to make him some money.

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought "My Band" was the intentionally piece of shit single. It seemed like that track was the result of some bet. like - "hey I bet you a million dollars that I can make a hit out of some piece of shit track where I rap about 'my salsa' over and over."

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

DJDee: I really really hope you're right.
Because this sucks.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The lo-fi radio rip w/dj interjections upthread sounds a lot more exciting than the real version.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, so basically he's focusing on D12 now.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

IF EMINEM JUST SUCKS NOW HOW IS THAT MORE OR LESS FASCINATING???

Because the WAY in which he's sucking. It's so high-profile and intentional and self-aware. Does that make it any BETTER? I'd say no (although it's arguable it is). But it does make for an interesting discussion I think. Ryan's questions interest me.

Also "lobotomized" is a very good way to describe his rapping here! I like that a lot.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The question that really interests me was hinted at by Ryan Kuo. If he is TRYING to suck (and I think it's pretty obvious he is) then he succeeded. I wonder, though, whether he thinks that the song is GOOD because he succeeded at sucking, or whether he really just wanted to release a piece of shit track and see how high it could climb the charts. To what degree is this an experiement and to what degree is it him saying 'fuck it, I'm tired of making lead-off singles'?

I also should mention i like the beat to this, the electro-thing he's got going on is sorta interesting. If only he'd been able to make a good song around it. Yikes.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

dee, i think it's time to lie down!

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I also should mention i like the beat to this, the electro-thing he's got going on is sorta interesting. If only he'd been able to make a good song around it. Yikes.

He did, it was called Without Me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

No way man I'm on a roll. I'm gonna overanalyze the entire top 40 now! AHHHHHHH!!!!

xpost this sounds a lot more overtly 'electronic' than w/out me

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Also good GOD I REALLY need to WATCH this CAPITALIZING thing that I KEEP doing.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

NO WAY, MAN!
I like the theory that this is the "confuse the pirates" pre-release bullshit.
How cool would that be if this was his disposible crap?
I mean, it IS... but if it's intentionally so.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is intentionally so. But if you mean he has another motive in mind....i don't think so. Too much time went into perfecting this song's suckiness.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

perfect sucky songs are only good if they have slide whistles, goofy trombone glissandos, etc.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised he didn't include any of those things, frankly.

He should also have included a sped up soul sample.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't really think the song was bad. I think it's kinda fun. Maybe Eminem made it with me in mind.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

No way man I'm on a roll

I totally read that as "No way man I'm a troll."
Nevermind, carry on!

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder, though, whether he thinks that the song is GOOD because he succeeded at sucking, or whether he really just wanted to release a piece of shit track and see how high it could climb the charts. To what degree is this an experiement and to what degree is it him saying 'fuck it, I'm tired of making lead-off singles'?

both equally, perhaps? and if he's truly tired of the "lead-off single pressure" (and i can't see any other explanation for this song), then i can't see him caring about the song being good. what i hope happens on the rest of the album is that he continues to fuck around carelessly without that pressure, since he's weakest IMO when he tries too hard.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be interested in Ceddy's take on this.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I really can't follow the logic of this thread - the "I know this sucks yet I must find some reason to like it" cognitive dissonance-resolving acrobatics are just too silly. I think its a fairly non-descript hip-hop single with a lame lyrical hook and an annoying laughing sample. Eminem's motivations/true intentions seem completely beside the point.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Shakey and I agree.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I'm just really taken aback by that; I figured we were destined to be in plar opposition on everything.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

mediocre Eminem songs, bringin people together!

The electro-beat is okay. I'm trying to figure out who his voice reminds me of on this song, he doesn't sound as nasally and whiny as I remember him....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not trying to find a reason to like it, don't misconstrue what I'm saying. I don't like it - I thought I made that clear. I do find its existence very, very interesting, particularly compared to say "Flap Your Wings," where his intention was to create a club anthem and he failed miserably. I'm not going to pretend that this record is good or important - but I think when it hits number one (IF it hits number one!) it will be important if only because one of hip-hop's biggest artists is trying something very strange...trying to fail? Trying to succeed while failing? Who knows?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

but intentions do not matter in music, they can never be pinned down. I don't see what's interesting about such speculation, since it gets ya nowhere. Song is pedestrian. Next!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Intentions matter! They don't matter to whether the song is GOOD or not per se, but they matter in that they are what fascinate me about this piece. Its an awful song, but trying to suss out his motives I find interesting.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well have fun then. if thou gazest into the abyss, etc.

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Ryan really was OTM with that comment about trying too hard.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha when this song is on the radio all day, you'll wonder too.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to shakey.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if he was on PCP when he recorded this.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

that "arrgh arrgh arrgh arrgh arrgh!" thing makes me wonder if he was on SOMEthing anyway.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The 8 Mile breakdown thing is almost funny. Almost.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah not really funny at all.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Number One? My bet is that it debuts at about #40 thanks to the initial burst of airplay, and then when the nation does a collective "wtf" it peaks at #33 and is off the chart within 7 weeks. Then, presumably, he comes back with something more interesting for the second single and has better success. But I have no idea what he will have proven. Really, the whole "let's save our best singles for later and use something ill-conceived as the first single" phenomenon baffles me. Seen it with Christina, Britney, Madonna, Janet, Avril, and now Nelly.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Seen it with Christina, Britney, Madonna, Janet, Avril, and now Nelly.
With them it was unintentional though!

Joseph, I'm actually really interested to see how its recieved, but honestly I don't think its going to peak at #33. Nelly is one thing; Eminem is on another level.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

What is this alleged "bad first single that goes nowhere" that Christina released?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't liked any of her singles so don't ask me.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

you have to admit when "Dirty" first dropped it didn't look like she was gonna push that album through 5 singles.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dirrty" missed the Top 40 entirely. I think it peaked somewhere around #45. It went over well in clubs but radio just didn't take a liking to it, which I think will be "Just Lose It"'s fate.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, i just heard this. i guess it's "interesting" how bloody-minded he is about making bad music. at least his flow is still awes!

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It went over well in clubs but radio just didn't take a liking to it

Except that this one isn't going to go over well in clubs, either. Self-conscious or no, this is brutal.

― nameom (nameom), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it sounds like the kind of track douchebag college students would make as a 'parody', all that's missing is an "Oops! I pooped again"-esque title

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

except this one's technically virtuosic ... i gave it another few listens and Em's apathy is really on point. actually it seems unmistakable.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

On the third or fourth listen, I did find a small redeeming point: when he suddenly goes "...so appeasing."

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it possible that he's just doing this because his label twisted his arm, so he decided to give them the kind of single they wanted, but made it suck?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The sound is tinny (prelease mp3 non-shockah) and yeah his voice does sound a bit bored, but I'm still impressed by the musicality of his rapping. I'd rather hear this than "Lose Yourself" or any of his other Emo-nem tracks.

I really do think this going to be his Around The World In A Day. He's buggin' out.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean this song is almost 100% about being a closet case!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok I've just realized this song is tremendous.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ok after a few listens i like it more. it was stuck in my head at work. its all the kind of jokes me and my friends would make.

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I didn't think much of "My Band" the first time I heard it and I know practically every word now. Haha this is the part of the thread where everyone tries to run and jump back onto Eminem's wagon as he drives away.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

UH UHUHUHUH!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

calm down anthony

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

um num num just touch my body

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Em's been watching too much I love the 90's.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

god the first 100 posts can basically be replaced by an animated gif of a knee jerking

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's a pity people posted how they felt when they heard it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

*insert joke about how anthony is beginning to convince me and maybe I should go buy all the Limp Bizkit and Good Charlotte records now too here*

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/gif/ppreflex.gif

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHA! Thanks!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yah im shocked i found one too

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

the song is really growing on me though...

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

this is weird. I was just watching a baseball game and all I kept thinking about and singing was this song. is it good? i think it really is and only hours ago I utterly despised it. Definitely it's got everyone's mind in the proverbial pretzel!!

― jsk baby (jsk baby), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the Pee Wee yelling thing is kinda catchy

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yea i think everyones gonna love this song in a few days..

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

personally I try really hard not to post my reaction to a song or album the very first time I hear it. When I have a strong sense of anticipation about something the initial listen is tainted by what I fear (OMG the opening is just like Without Me, he's just gonna copy himself oh nooo) what I didn't expect (wow his voice isn't as animated as it used to be) and what I'm hoping for (oh man there is NOTHING pointedly topical here he's lost it). It takes a listen or two to come to terms to what something isn't, THEN you start realizing what rewarding qualities ARE present (an astounding amount of vocal hooks, imaginative if puerile rhymes that imply he might astound us all by actually coming out one of these days)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

plus for something so dense and four minutes long it seems to buzz right by

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

and anybody with love for kool keith should not be complaining about doo doo jokes. and, what, do you people not like Pee-Wee Herman, Cornholio and Sir Mix-A-Lot?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

also (last thing) while at first I was surprised by how bored he sounded, after several listens I don't even hear that quality anymore.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone upload this to the newgroup?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i never heard the boring quality. i thought he sounded dry. but that's a legitimate style of delivery.

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow.

No this song definitely is still not very good. Better than "Lose Yourself"?! On no planet.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

no one has mentioned the mc hammer reference right after the 'everyone report to the dancefloor' part. haaha

'alright stop....pajama time'

― 6335, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, yeah that all got mentioned on the previous thread.
I've been listening to this off and on for hours and in sample format for days.
It sucks. It really really sucks and I'm very sad about that.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone think it might be an official eminem approved fake track to annoy everyone / piss off p2p people then release a killer single?

― kinkybakr, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i never said anything about it being anywhere as close to as good as lose yourself. but im just arguing that i see good things about it and its no reason to kick eminem out of the treehouse.

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont think its a fake track, personally.

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dirrty" missed the Top 40 entirely. I think it peaked somewhere around #45. It went over well in clubs but radio just didn't take a liking to it, which I think will be "Just Lose It"'s fate.

http://www.rockonthenet.com/archive/2002/10-19.htm
http://top40.about.com/library/weekly/aa2002e.htm
http://www.mnet.ne.jp/~hbr/US/US021012.htm
http://www.oldradioshows.com/at100/2002.html

Sorry, you were saying?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

he sounds like he couldn't give a shit

― King Korn Karn, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dee, didn't em get forced to make a single for the mm lp? his way of getting back at the label for not trusting his vision was to make 'the real slim shady', the listenable pop cash-in. so, if this single is, once again, label enforced pop shit (which doesn't make sense, eminem has the marketspace to do whatever the fuck he wants [obviously, if this song is being released]), why is he doing the same trick he's already done before? what point does that make?

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

let us not forget that "The Real Slim Shady" was also waaaaaaaaaaay better than this.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

obviously.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

King Kong Karn OTM. also this is GREBT, you people are insane. Eminem spends most of his last album telling people off, everyone says 'do something different already!' and he DOES, and it's a giant middle finger to people who love him and people who hate him, he finally managed to alienate EVERYBODY, and miccio's right it's totally fun and pop-tastic in a new-wave super icy vocal kind of way, and i secretly suspect the UHUHUHUHUH and repetitions etc is making fun of Lil Jon, not that it matters. again, you = so crazy.

DRE!!! BEER-GOGGLES!!!!

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, you were saying?

dan, I assume he meant the billboard top 100 - it peaked there at no. 48

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

pop-tastic in its total lack of good hooks? or that what's "icy" about it?

xpost

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

actually i like the instrumental more than i expected to.

also come on, he sounds as disinterested as a young Human League-r in her hey.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the eternally advanced equation of 'not liking Eminem = not getting him' to easily be the most tiresome thing about him and the discourse around him, ever. Consequently I find Dave M.'s extension of this to 'EVERYONE doesn't get him now except those of us who do oh yay us' to be even more tiresome.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

dan, I assume he meant the billboard top 100 - it peaked there at no. 48

The Billboard singles chart isn't used for either of the big US top-40 singles chart shows, though; it's a wholly inaccurate measure of a particular song's popularity (ESPECIALLY given that Casey Kasem's year-end countdown up it in the top 100; you can't get into that UNLESS you crack the top 40 during the regular year).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

cmon Ned, don't put words in my mouth. i never said 'haha I get Eminem and you don't so there' and you'll notice when i advanced my Lil Jon theory i took pains to point out that IT DOESN'T MATTER, as in the secret appeal of this song is not hidden in some higher level of comprehension that only literature professors comparing him to Alexander Pope can truly understand. i like this song because it makes me laugh, though whether those are cheap fart joke laughs or headscratching brain teaser laughs i couldn't tell you yet.

also why does Em get nailed for sounding disinterested? what about Jay-Z, whose entire schtick consists of saying how he's grown so tired with everything now that he's done it all?

(and Ned you can address me directly, i know i'm Canadian but we don't take the politeness thing so far as to avoid actually talking to anyone for fear of offending them)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

also at least he didn't mention THE WAR again

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i secretly suspect the UHUHUHUHUH and repetitions etc is making fun of Lil Jon

Not at all likely.

Rollie it entirely DOES make sense that his arm was twisted again. He made Real Slim Shady and it was good, they were happy, he was happy, he became an even bigger pop star. But you're dealing with an entirely different context here. Eminem just plain CAN'T get any bigger than he is right now. He doesn't have anything riding on a lead single - so it makes sense to me that if they twisted his arm to make another lead single he just filled in the formula, released a sub-par summation of his career thus far.


Also people defending this song and talking about it being great are fucking out of their minds.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The Billboard singles chart isn't used for either of the big US top-40 singles chart shows,

which are no more and possibly less of an "accurate" portrayal of a song's popularity. They intentionally exclude songs that aren't in the "top 40 format" which means a lot of commercially successful cross-over rap and country gets excluded (supposedly, and this kills me, the big shift for Kasem was when "Baby Got Back" was number one for a bunch of weeks and the elders flipped a bitchswitch)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So basically the top-40 point is meaningless; "Dirrty" did well pretty much around the globe and was kind of inescapable on both the radio and MTV for a couple of months. I don't see how that's a failure.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it's poetic how discussion of one shitty song has begat discussion on another

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It's especially poetic because "Dirrty" isn't shitty!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Its pretty awful.

Well, Redman's pretty good on it.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I would make you guys justify this except:

A) I've heard the arguments before and I don't buy them;
B) It's ILM; I have come to expect that you guys will go gaga over boring, barely adequate pieces of bullshit and frown heavily on things that actually have something going for them when it comes to American artists.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

more conspiracy theories!

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm american, and I love american pop artists! I just haven't liked anything xtina has done.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

genie in a bottle was ok.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dirrty" is the only single from Stripped I liked. Maybe "Fighter."

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

the word diva should always the word disco in front of it.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

amendment.

in pop, the word diva should always have the word disco in front of it.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

and the new Xtina/Missy cover of "Car Wash" is a fuckload more crack-addled and embarassing than any other song mentioned here.

(ok that's it. I will never post more than one post at a time ever. Call me on that shit from now on)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It's ILM; I have come to expect that you guys will go gaga over boring, barely adequate pieces of bullshit and frown heavily on things that actually have something going for them when it comes to American artists.

but you hate "Just Lose It" and love "Lose My Breath"! But never mind since I share your sentiment.

(last multiple post ever! this time I mean it!)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dirrty" used to pack the dance floor when i was still DJing. for this i am grateful, though on reflection it's kind of boring.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

... one more listen ...
no, this still sucks.
Fart jokes. He's making fart jokes.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

where before he made jokes about pamela lee's boobies

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps another "sing for the moment" would have been respectable

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm kind of dyin' to hear this. Anyone know of an mp3 link that works? Both of the ones up above are broken. And I think farts is funny.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you'll love it, dude (even if it is his worst first single by default). I am SO not against Eminem yelling "stop! pajama time!"

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Forget about my query for correct links the one up above works fine, I was just unable to right-click at the computer I was using.

It's unquestionably a parody of what we expect from the established form of the eminem 1st single. At the same time the song is simply fun to listen to removed from any the factors that make it interesting.

I actually knew I would end up loving this when I read why pitchfork was outraged by its badness. All of their reasons for why it suck suck suck-ed made it sound kind of neat.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

pretty dull.

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Eminem mocks Madonna in his new video.

The rapper dresses up in drag - complete with blonde ponytail, full make-up and a conical bra - to look like the Queen of Pop during her Blonde Ambition tour.

In the video, for new single Just Lose It, Eminem struts around the stage in the raunchy pink corset reports Femalefirst.

But he accidentally gets too close to a flaming candelabra - and sets one of his pointy boobs on fire.

A source revealed: "Eminem is really getting into sex and gender issues." Madonna is the latest pop star to be mocked by the cheeky rap star - he has previously poked fun at Britney Spears, Moby and 'N Sync in his videos.

Eminem also strips off in the latest video.

The singer, who caused controversy at this year's MTV Movie Awards when he bared his bottom, is seen running through the streets of Los Angeles naked - with nothing but a sock to protect his modesty.

Onlookers recently claimed Eminem - real name Marshall Mathers III - may have had an all-over body wax, as his body looks extremely smooth.

The single is the first to be released from his fourth album, Encore.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus wept.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean wtf - he's two steps behind gallagher!

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this song a lead-in on the album to a skit that kills the slim shady persona?

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

A source revealed: "Eminem is really getting into sex and gender issues."

Funniest line in the article.

The singer, who caused controversy at this year's MTV Movie Awards when he bared his bottom, is seen running through the streets of Los Angeles naked - with nothing but a sock to protect his modesty.

I must admit I never thought I'd see the day where the Red Hot Chili Peppers circa 1987 were the guiding light forward.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, it's like Eminem is all "OH HEY THERE'S THING CALLED SEX AND IT'S REALLY GREAT!"

This single would be infinitely improved on the irony meter by replacing the beat with a sample from "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)".

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Em's been watching too much I love the 90's.
-- AaronHz (aaronh...), September 28th, 2004.

Aaron's theory seems more and more plausible.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha some people replace drugs with food, Eminem replaced it with VH1.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the proof will be if he name checks Joe Levy

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

or even better, there's a skit leading into this that is about music as product...

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone post all the lyrics to this song?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

who in their right mind would prefer 'Cleaning Out My Closet' or 'Sing For The Moment' or 'Business' or even 'Lose Yourself' to this song?

("CHUBBY TELETUBBY" oh yes)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, anyone? (nb: I hate "Sing For The Moment".)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only Em fan on this planet who (a) despised every 8-Mile Em songs, and (b) hated "Sing for the Moment" and "Cleaning out my Closet"?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

no.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

You might find your enjoyment of "Cleaning Out My Closet" vastly improved by listening to "Closetsitter" instead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Eminem: Heyyy!
Steve: Hey, Em, what's up?
Eminem: Steve Berman. What's goin' on, man, how you doin? Good to see you again. What's up?
Steve: Em, could you come here and have a seat, please?
Eminem: Umm, yeah, what's...
Steve: Vannessa, shut the door.
Secretary: Okay.
Eminem: So what's up? How's orders looking for the first week?
Steve: It would be better if you gave me nothing at all.
Eminem: Wh-
Steve: This album is less than nothing. I can't sell this fucking record.
Eminem: Wha-
Steve: Do you know what's happening to me out there?
Eminem: Wh-wha-what's the problem?
Steve: Violent Ground told me to go fuck myself!
Eminem: oh yeah...you should fuck yourself... *rubs crotch*
Steve: Tower Records told me to shove this record up my ass! Do you know what it feels like to be told to have a record shoved up your ass?
Eminem: uhhhh... *rubs crotch more vigorously*
Steve: I'm gonna lose my fuckin' job over this. You know why Dre's record was so successful? He's rappin' about big-screen tv's, blunts, 40's and bitches. You're rappin' about homosexuals and VH1.
Eminem: I'm gonna...
Steve: I can't sell this shit!
Eminem: oh shit, yeah out of my bunghole...
Steve: Either change the record or it's not coming out!
Eminem: oh it's coming out...uh...uh...
Steve: Now get the fuck out of my office!
Eminem: uuhhh...
Steve: NOW!
Eminem: UHHH!!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear God: Please keep Em from including another of these Steve Berman skits on "Encore." K thx bye.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Anthony! I hate you.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

P.S. Also: no "Public Service Announcements." Or Benzino disses. Or D-12. Or Haley. Gracias.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Onlookers recently claimed Eminem - real name Marshall Mathers III - may have had an all-over body wax, as his body looks extremely smooth."

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep waiting for somebody to wake me up.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe Miccio would let you trade brains with him.
Then you would ACTUALLY LIKE IT.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah this songs pretty bad.

I honestly can't tell if this song will be a smash or not.

His momentum suggests that NOTHING he releases could do anything but destroy the charts.

The fact that this song is so bad and umemorable suggests that it couldn't go top 40.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if my hypothesis is correct.
If you traded brains with Miccio, you still wouldn't like it.
You'd just be in his body and he'd be in yours, right?

(sorry if I'm going a little OT here, but this is a fucking boring song.)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I was describing the track to the guys who run the local record store and they were cracking up. The owner said he'd sell a ton and I questioned that, noting that this was easily the most homoerotic rap song I've ever heard. He responded that most of the frat kids who are gonna buy it are closet cases too.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.danzpage.com/photos/NYC%20Web%20Photos/images/18%20-%20Frat%20hazing.jpg

JUST LOSE IT, DELTA PHI! UH UH UH UH!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Played it for a friend last night and she said "Oh, it's his sellout to the kiddie crowd song!" So I pointed out that he talks about fondling little boys and she said "Oh well they'll edit that out".
See, this makes SENSE to some people. This is what they EXPECTED em to sound like, so now that he's fulfilling their expectations it's okay.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I did not expect Eminem to tell me to fart.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I expected that the next single would be called "My Salsa."

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, why do you want Eminem to become the streetsmart Weird Al?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I expected that the next single would be called "My Salsa."

Yeah, but you're batshit insane! (hee hee)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

forks, I'm surprised you of all people are employing great-great-great-great-what? THEY'RE DEAD mentality. This is one song within what will probably be a long and rich career. It's really short-sighted to scream IT'S OVER!!! over a single track. Saying he's going to become the streetsmart Weird Al ignores that a) there's no reason he can't put out "Lose Yourself For The Moment (Eye Of The Tiger VIII)" next and that b) HE ALREADY WAS THE STREETSMART WEIRD AL. He has been since "Hi, My Name Is."

If you told me that this would be better than every song he'll ever release after it than I'd be depressed, but forgive me if I don't throw myself out a window because he's dropped something exceptionally silly. I've already said its his worst first single from an album (by default), but I think there's plenty to enjoy here.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ I'm glad ILX (and myself) weren't around for Neil Young's entire career.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

should i read this whole thread? I've skipped it until now. Did I miss anything good?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Not really.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan wants you to read the Steve Berman skit.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, even I suck on this thread. (xpost NO SCOTT SAVE YOURSELF)

― Dan Perry the Modest (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Streetwise Weird Al > MC Horatio Alger

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

izokay, dan. you now rule teh noize board. u r teh new ruler!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Listening to this AGAIN I hear two decent things:
The beat is not so very bad. Em's singing voice is getting better.
Otherwise, it STILL sucks. The prospect of having to listen to this all goddamn winter scares the hell out of me.

I'm not giving him the BOOT, anthony; I don't remember saying ANYTHING about em being over. I just find this astonishingly bad; worse than anything I heard off of the last three albums (that wasn't a skit). If this is indicative of the quality of the new album, it suggests to me that he is (as Perry mentioned upthread) turning to D12 for artistic inspiration which is VERY sad to me. It wouldn't surprise me if this is just the weak link on the album and there's six gems scattered in there.

Em has played the fool before, a'la "My name is" but I was kinda hoping those days were over. Lord knows I'm a fan of fun and goofin' off is just fine by me but this is stagnant, lazy, uninteresting and regressive. Compare to "Criminal" or his verses on "Renegade" if you want to get a sense of how far he's slipped both lyrically and skillswise, not to mention the slack production (the hook is a Pee-Wee Herman sample?) I'm honestly not sure WHAT you're hearing here that I'm not; to me it's BORING and that's a deal breaker.

I've been really looking forward to a new em album (at least moreso than, say, the B-Boys); the Benzino radio cuts have been a mixed bag but suggest some definite growth as an artist. Maybe I'm overreacting a tad because I had some high hopes. I'll certainly still give it a spin.

Last guess: I think it's a freestyle. Maybe two takes. Sure sounds like it.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

haha man I would have loved to drop an mp3 of "Homegrown" on 70s ILX right after Zuma. Cuz Neil sure slipped.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

or maybe an mp3 of "Around The World In A Day" after Purple Rain

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And the "streetwise weird al" was a reference to "My Bologna" ala your "My Salsa".
As I've been avoiding all D12, I didn't get your reference.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The crucial difference is that everything on _Around The World In A Day_ is flat-out brilliant.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(Possibly because at the time Prince didn't have a seperate outlet diluting his output on his marquee release)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

dude if you'd heard "My Band" (which is great if not the same exact type as great as "Stan") you might not be having a coronary over this track

(x-post: goddamn I knew I shouldn't have posted that on a thread you were on, Dan. Cuz you are batshit insane)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

And incidentally Anthony, you were certainly NOT the referent in my "some people expected Em to sound like this from the start". I'm more referring to the average hip hop fan. I understand WHY you like this, you're clearly hearing something fun and juvenile and silly and cool in "Just Lose It". I'm just not hearing it.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

and I'll admit that one of the things I'm excited about in Em's upcoming work is the way he uses his voice (which was a highlight in "My Band" and "Without Me") musically. All those random change-ups and impersonations and hooks. It's like '70s Steven Tyler only a ton more dense. The lyrical drop-off is noticeable but it doesn't piss me off. Some songs have more words than others, its just a question of whether I enjoy what IS there, and I enjoy this.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear nothing cool about this though. I think it's pretty clear I'm not obsessed with that concept.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

My inner Criswell predicts that Em and Michael Ian Black will be holding hands at the next Grammys.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude you KNOW I'm not about "cool" as an arbiter of taste, especially with hip hop. It's not just the lyrical drop off; it's the fact that this is tremendously inferior to his friggin' Mix tape stuff.

Look, try this:

3m1n3m - 1nVa510n

This was from about two years ago. What the heck happened?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

In any case, I don't know WHY this has me so upset.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I probably need to go listen to some Little Willie John now to clear out my ears.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

This "Invasion" is pretty good for an ad and the beat is definitely more logical (heavier bass) but his slurred swagger here, while more focused, doesn't do for me what his more schizophrenic stuff does.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

but you know I like crazy

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the beat is "Realest Niggas" so it's hard to argue with. As far as "schizo" goes, his vocals jump all OVER the damn place which was why I posted it.
and what's crazier than "I dunno what it is or what it could be but I get a woodie when these pussies try to push me thinking they gonna put me in a position to pickle me ya'll tickle me pink I think I'd just rather have Pink tickle me (tee hee) hickory dickory dock diggity tock tickity a little bit of the diggity dock diggity"?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Rather than the streetwise weird al, I've really always hoped that Em would complete the transition into the male Missy. Me like crazy too!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

my theory now is that the one engaging us in a po-mo "keep 'em guessing" tactic is Anthony, not Eminem.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm magic

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony's just posting this to reinforce his contrarian image, his REAL opinions are gonna drop mid october

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Lord knows I'm a fan of fun and goofin' off is just fine by me but this is stagnant, lazy, uninteresting and regressive

if you think Eminem is not aware that fart jokes, references to way-old TV shows and movies (when did Fight Club come out?), and literally repeating large chunks of past hits will likely be perceived as lazy and regressive, then you must not have had very much respect for his intelligence in the first place.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

HE ALREADY WAS THE STREETSMART WEIRD AL

You saying Weird Al ain't streetsmart to begin with? Oh ye of little faith.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, what I don't have respect for is Em's lack of respect for his audience.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

which audience though? the hip-hop purists who never liked him in the first place? they're probably quite happy that he's making a fool of himself. or what about the chin-stroking college professor types who would over-analyze everything he did in the mainstream press, who he's completely routed this time (unless you expect to see "What Eminem's Fart Jokes Tell Us About The Glorious Melting Pot That Is America" articles in Slate and Harper's, which frankly I don't)? i don't really mind him disrespecting them. or is it the rock fans who don't really listen to much other hip-hop, but they like him for all of his dark Fuck You Mom songs and other assorted Lose Yourself bilge. they're probably not too happy either, but again those are the parts of the Eminem canon that i like least, so i'm not terribly unhappy that he's left it all behind anyways. people who appreciate the technical aspects of his MC skills? well Miccio's got more to say about how this is amusingly schizo, and i certainly think it's a solid effort and a better display than most songs on the charts, but if you think this is by-the-numbers stuff then i'm not going to be able to dissuade you. so the skills people are probably pissed. who does that leave? i guess it's the We Don't Fucking Care So Long As It's Got A Good Beat And We Can Dance To It camp, who probably don't think this is a particularly good beat but who it isn't going to drive off the floor either, but in general they're not impressed. the only other fans i can imagine exist are people with the brains of thirteen year olds who like hearing people say Fuck and talk about killing each other a la "Kim", and even they're probably a bit disappointed by the general lack of cuss words and violence in this song. so by my estimation, Eminem has completely disrespected every facet of his fanbase, and said a solemn Fuck You to every person who ever liked him. this is reason number one why i like it, because if you can still find a way to be this antagonistic (and not faux-antagonistic like metal bands or GG Allin) to your audience after three gajillion selling albums, then you deserve some measure of my respect. and reason number two why i like this song is because he uses phrases like "Chubby Teletubbie" and "Dre! Beer goggles! Blind!" and funny voices and makes fun of his most iconic and/or pretentious moments and is unflaggingly self-deprecating and makes me laugh every single time i've heard it, which is about three hundred times by now i figure since i've been listening to it non-stop since i got it three days ago. so Forks i understand why you think he has no respect for you, that's fine because he doesn't, which isn't really a problem for me but it might be for you, and you certainly don't have to like this song. nobody said you did.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody said I did; given my appreciation of the artist, I think I'm allowed to A)make the assumption that I probably would and B)express my disappointment that I don't.

As for Em's lack of respect for his listeners, FWIW I'm back on the DJD "meta" tip.

I might also suggest that Em has no respect for himself but I suppose THAT'S THE POINT. Forgive me if squandering time and talent on a track that many people on here could seriously (and believably) question as being a "fake" release qualifies as a serious red flag for me.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

okay but my 8-year-old kid (that i don't actually have IRL) could paint a Jackson Pollock, right? i'm not saying "Just Lose It" is a Jackson Pollock, i don't even like it as much as a bunch of other Eminem songs, but i'm convinced there's something else going on here? i'm just frustrated because everybody (not just you, man, sorry if it seems like i'm attacking you because i think your reaction is totally justified, i feel like i'm on crazy pills tonight!) doesn't see how absurd and wonderful this single really is, despite seeming on a first or second or third listen like a piece of shit, which it certainly did to me at the time.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(i'm going to bed)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(for when you wake up Dave)
Yer cool; I tend to never feel attacked.
I wish I could hear what a few of you are hearing and I have tried.
Itunes reads 16 listens.
It just sounds crappy and lazy to me.
I WANT to believe.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Your post compelled me to check my iTunes. I thought I had slogged through this thing at LEAST 16 times. Turns out it was only 6!

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

And while I can appreciate your love for Em's "fuck ALL ya'll" attitude Dave, if I can't just dig on the song, any postmodern enjoyment is ruled out.
I have to quit posting about this goddamn thing.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I just listened to this kind of closesly, and concluded it's an absolutely brilliant first single. All of your arguments against it are totally moot.
I'll get back to you on why, but here's a shortcut: It's meticulously written, specifically AS a leadoff single. Anyone who says its a mediocre freestyle, or whatever the presiding opinion was, is a damn fool.
Thanks for sticking it out early without a grasp of the logic m1cc1o, or whatever your alphanumeric handle is, anthony.

― peter $.., Thursday, 30 September 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

CLUE #! THERES NO CHORUS

― peter $.., Thursday, 30 September 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I MEAN HOOK

― peter #$;., Thursday, 30 September 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

CLUE #2 ABUNDANT REFERENCES TO OLD SONGS

― peter $l;., Thursday, 30 September 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans are funny. I heard this for the first time on the radio on Tuesday night and thought it was dumb but fun. I'm looking forward to hearing it again.

― Rasputin Kitten (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 September 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dao'n'ao-nao
Dao'm, bao(m)-bao
Dao'm, bao-bao
Aon-- Okay! (okay! okay! okay! okay! okay!)

Guess who's back? Back again.
Shady's back. Tell a friend. (Wooooeee!)

Now everyone report to the dance floor.
To the dance floor. To the dance floor.
Now everyone report to the dance floor.
Al'ight, stop-- Pajama time!

Come'ere little kiddies, on my lap.
Guess who's back, with a brand new rap
And I don't mean wrap, as in a new case
of child investigation accusat--Augh Augh Augh Augh
No words-- Papa's got a brand new bag of toys.
What else could I possibly do to make noise?
I done touched on everything BUT little boys.

And that's not a stab at Michael,
That's just a metaphor, I'm just psycho,
I go a little bit crazy sometimes, I get a little bit
Outta control with my rhymes.

Good god, yep, do a little slide,
Bend down, touch your toes and just glide
Up the center of the dance floor,
Like TB from my bunghole
In the school if you let go.
Nobody's gonna know, who'd here it,
Give a little poot-poot, it's okay!
Pbbt-- Oops, my CD just skipped,
And everyone just heard you let one rip.

Now I'm gonna make you dance,
It's your chance, Yeah boy, shake that ass,
Oops, I mean girl. Girl girl girl,
Girl, you know you're my world!

Alright, now lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Just lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Go crazy. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Oh baby, Augh (Augh/Oh) baby, ba(by/Augh) Augh!
It's Friday, and it's my day, just to party,
On a little Sunday, maybe 'til Monday,
I don't know what day,
everyday's just a holiday.

Cruisin' on the freeway, Feelin' kinda breezay,
Get the top down, If my hair blow,
I don't know where I'm goin',
All I know is, When I get dead,
Someone gonna (Touch my ba'day)

Excuse me, miss, I don't mean to sound like a jerk,
But I'm feelin' just a little stressed out from work,
Could you punch me in the stomach and pull my hair,
Spit on me, maybe gauge my eyes out, (Yeah)

Now, what's your name, girl? What's your sign?
[Dre] Man, you must be up out'ch'o mind.
Dre! Augh Augh! Beer goggles [climb/blind?!]
I'm just try'n'to unwind! Now I'm!

Now I'm gonna make you dance,
It's your chance, Yeah boy, shake that ass,
Oops, I mean girl. Girl girl girl,
Girl, you know you're my world!

Alright, now lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Just lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Go crazy. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Oh baby, Augh (Augh/Oh) baby, ba(by/Augh) Augh!
It's Tuesday, and I'm locked up,
I'm in jail, and I don't'know what happened,
They say I was, Running butt-naked,
Down the street, screaming Augh Augh Augh Augh!

[Ronnie/Ronner/Runner?!] I'm sorry, I don't renemember,
All I know is this much, I'm not guilty,
They said, save it, boy, We've got you on tape,
Yellin' at an old lady, T'(Touch my ba'day)

Now this is the part where the rap breaks down,
It gets real intense, No one makes a sound,
Everything looks like it's 8 Mile now,
The beat comes back and everybody los' the(y/m)selve(s)
And snap back to reality, Look, It's B. Rabbit,
Oh, you signed me up to battle?!
I'm a grown man! Choppa-choppa-
ch(t)oppa-t(ch)eppa-t(ch)eppa-t(ch)eppa-tubpe-
I don't have any lives to go right here,
So chtubba-tella, ((Tubbie-tellas!)(Chubby fellas!)) (What?)
Fellas! (What?!/Grab) your left,
Make your right one jealous! (What.)

Black girls, White girls, Skinny girls,
Fat girls, Tall girls, Small girls, I'm callin' all girls,
Everyone report to the dance floor,
It's your chance for a little romance, or,
Butt squeezin', It's the season, Just go,
Augh Augh Augh Augh, So appeasin'

Now I'm gonna make you dance,
It's your chance, Yeah boy, shake that ass,
Oops, I mean girl. Girl girl girl,
Girl, you know you're my world!

Alright, now lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Just lose it. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Go crazy. Augh Augh Augh Augh Augh
Oh baby, Augh (Augh/Oh) baby, ba(by/Augh) Augh!

Num Num Num', Just touch my ba'day,
Num Num Num', Just touch my ba'day,
Ooh boy, just touch my bo'dy,
I mean girl, Just touch my bo'dy (bo'dy bo'dy).

― peter $.., Thursday, 30 September 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't someone say "I want Eminem to become the male Missy" upthread?!

― Rasputin Kitten (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 September 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone who suffers under the eminem-was-cool-to-like-when-he-was-dropping-emo-feeling,-hilarious,-clever-smart,-etc. will write this off as em's "nu-standard wacky single" ("oh god, i'm so disappointed, i thought eminem, and the rap industry as a whole, had finally begun to dodge commercialism, but this single is proof of the contrary!!") or something, but your whole ideology is so far from the truth you should be ignored in this discussion.
but you won't be, and i won't defend this single on grounds that em's addressing-something-he-needs-to-address, or he's doing anything but setting the stage for his upcoming singles and album as any elegant introduction might.

Come'ere little kiddies, on my lap.
Guess who's back, with a brand new rap
And I don't mean wrap, as in a new case
of child investigation accusat--Augh Augh Augh Augh
No words-- Papa's got a brand new bag of toys.
What else could I possibly do to make noise?
I done touched on everything BUT little boys.
And that's not a stab at Michael,
That's just a metaphor, I'm just psycho,
I go a little bit crazy sometimes, I get a little bit
Outta control with my rhymes.

In the first verse, first (he calls himself papa and invites kids to sit in is lap and) he says he's not going to talk abt his childhood anymore, then he never talked about his childhood in the first place, that he just made noise, then implies talking abt his childhood is all he's got left to do.
he finishes this precise statement off by stating (obv) it's not "about" michael, and goes on sarcastically that it's just a metaphor (he says it!! and you still think it's wacky jokiness!), and that he's just psycho (playing to your notion that it's a joke, but at the same time seriously (and vaguely) addressing his childhood!). he goes on abt (presumably) the "outta control" of the real (real) art-process.

if anyone has any interest in this type of analysis, i can go on,

― peter #.., Thursday, 30 September 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

He only tells us he loves us when he's drunk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter $: seeing the lyrics (note that I’ve never heard this song) in conjunction with the discussion on this thread has got me wanting to hear it. I hate to say this, but if I’d heard this song before reading the lyrics, the words would have prolly seemed weak.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 September 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the difference between a chorus and a hook in a rap?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Just Lose It" debuts on the Billboard Hot 100 at #17 this week:

http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/hot100.jsp

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahahaha

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(that's an "america, you so crazy, i love you" laugh not a "haha my take has been proven the right one" laugh)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

And that's not a stab at Michael,
That's just a metaphor, I'm just psycho,
I go a little bit crazy sometimes, I get a little bit
Outta control with my rhymes.

i especially like the delivery here, it's very "look i am being self-reflexive" instead of just being self-reflexive, as well as quite exasperated.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the audience for this is people who don't like hip hop.
Have fun.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

oh get over yourself

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I just lost it. Augh augh augh.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

You just made me realize that the song's begging for a Peanuts cartoon treatment a la "Hey Ya, Charlie Brown!"

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the audience for this is people who don't like hip hop.
Have fun.

-- Forksclovetofu (forksclovetof...), September 30th, 2004.
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oh get over yourself

-- manthony m1cc1o (anthonyisrigh...), September 30th, 2004.


Forks is OTM. the last few Em/D12 singles, which did well on the charts in general, didn't seem to get played on rap/r&b radio much at all, at least around here, and I think this song, no matter how much of a hit it becomes, will get even less support from those formats.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

forks did not say this song will get less support at rap radio than pop. forks said this song is for people who hate hip-hop, which is absurd on so many levels.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

remind me what "real" hip-hop is about, guys.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

this song is about whiteboys

i especially like the delivery here, it's very "look i am being self-reflexive" instead of just being self-reflexive, as well as quite exasperated.
you're taking the verse out of context

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say this single was for people who hate hip hop. It's not.
It's for people who don't like hip hop. Generally.
I'm not the arbiter of what "real" hip hop is. I think you're confusing my dislike for this track and what I see as its design for some sort of disdain for people who enjoy it or that I don't think em is "keepin' it gully enough". I could see where (especially if you were to compare this to "Invasion") you might arrive at that. It's not the case.

I think people who don't, as a rule, like hip hop are likely going to find this enjoyable. I think people who, as a rule, DO like hip hop are not. That's my suggestion. Anybody want to take a vote and see how wrong I am?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"Just Lose It" debuts on the Billboard Hot 100 at #17 this week:
http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/hot100.jsp

I haven't seen a Billboard Hot 100 chart in quite some time, and I must say I am AMAZED at how many hip-hop songs are on there.

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 1 October 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, there's not much getting around the fact that the majority of Eminem's albums are owned by people who don't really own any other hip hop (well, now probably a lot of them have 50's album too). that doesn't mean they all hate hip hop, or that they hate "real" hip hop, or that they have bad taste, or that they're bad people. it just means, for better or worse, that his audience is a lot broader than even most other multi-platinum crossover rap stars.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, by using the phrase "have fun" you're implying that this "for people who don't like hip-hop" is a negative value. now you're backpedaling and saying that it's just that hip-hop heads won't like and these strawmen rap-dismissing commoners will like it.

unless you're gonna come out and say you know what hip-hop should or shouldn't be doing, then the question of which people will like it more has nothing to do with the track's quality.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

by this "popularity" logic I could say that,as you noted, 50 Cent or De La Soul or any other rapper with a white fan-base "is for people who don't like hip-hop." It's a dumb, constantly deflated argument and I'm embarassed you guys are trying to use it.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

are the Roots for people who like hip-hop? indie whitey is down for "bands" who "won't go pop" (even though like, hip-hop is pop).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude. You're putting words in my mouth.

Okay, I have a girl over here and I want to eat but I feel the need to discuss this more at length. Anthony? Email?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, I'd rather do it here. You said "have fun" in public and you can explain it in public.

is "Ice Ice Baby" for people who like hip-hop? And if not, is it because of something I can actually hear on the track?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oh settle down. noone's playing gatekeeper of the realness here and you're being way too defensive. it's inarguable that most (if not all) popular rappers have white fan bases, I was just pointing out that Eminem's fan base is more crossover (which for all intents and purposes here = white) than even someone with comparable sales like 50 Cent. honestly I'm surprised that he's still doing these cartoony singles, given that his connection to 50 and all the beefs with Ja Rule etc. have really bolstered his street cred over the past 2 years, which was kind of flagging after the Eminem Show and 8 Mile.

(x-post before the post about the Roots)

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

my beef really is with the "have fun," and the implication that enjoying this track makes one guilty of some crime. All this talk about Eminem having a lot of white fans and pandering to them (as opposed to pandering to rapheads which I guess you'd prefer) is mind-crushingly obvious.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe this is too idealistic but could he not pander to anyone?

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean if anyone can get away with taking some chances with their career, it's him.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

dude this is the most homoerotic rap track I've ever heard. Pitchfork can't handle it. I call that taking a chance.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

if biggie rapped about hitting on men you'd all be in awe.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

well, I'd say that B.I.G.'s "you looked so good, I'd suck on your daddy's dick" is more subversive and funny than any of Em's many gay-baiting lyrics, yeah.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

that's a better line, but it wasn't the chorus hook of the debut single off an album. "boy I mean girl, girl girl girl" is.

releasing "sing for the moment" after "lose yourself" is what not taking a chance looks like

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

you're reaching. do we have to make like VH1 and congratulate the dude on every slightly envelope-pushing tee-hee jokey lyric he fits into a hit song? he's been doing it for almost 6 years.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"have fun" just looks like yer man Tofu is wishing well to those people who enjoy or will enjoy this song. "There is a wide subsection of the music-listening general public who will like this record, and good for them. I will be happy listening to something else, and good for me." scale back the fervent defensiveness!

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

given that white kids identify with em. but y'all're mostly missing the pt here, that this single doesn't have a "real" fanbase who will and do appreciate it bcs they identify it. I'm not sure what you were implying, Al, when you called it cartoony.
have you listened to the d12 albums? or have you read an interview w/d12 and em in the same room? they're just some midwestern kids, who did a bunch of drugs, and have some (obviously) pretty important complexes (important in that kids can identify with them).
Em has a great flow, so he's accepted by the hood. but that isn't his target demographic. he is a rapper for whiteboys. he raps about whiteboys, because he is a whiteboy.

this single isn't cartoony in the sense that it's about nothing. it is not hard or street, (and should be fodder for canibus and ja (WHAT ABT THAT SINGLE ON THE STRAIGHT FROM THE LAB EP ABT KIM?! IS HE ASKING FOR IT?? i think so)). but it does address serious ("serious") social issues that aren't usually addressed in rap.

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't have a should = has in the first sentence

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

PS i wrote more on the lyrics at http://dogandgun.blogspot.com/

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Missing words: with, a

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, I was going to concede that you made some good points in that long post, but that blog post is so batshit insanely overanalytical that at this point I'm just scared.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 1 October 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"have fun" just looks like yer man Tofu is wishing well to those people who enjoy or will enjoy this song. "There is a wide subsection of the music-listening general public who will like this record, and good for them. I will be happy listening to something else, and good for me." scale back the fervent defensiveness!

-- kit brash (kitbras...), October 1st, 2004.

Kit: OTM.

Anthony: WTF? I mean, c'mon! I know I'm not a big fan of using smileys but I would assume that our previous conversations and the CONSIDERABLE writing I do about various and sundry tracks and genre that CERTAINLY don't fit into the heading of keepin' it real would suggest that I wasn't looking to take potshots at anyone.
I'm not looking for an argument here and I'm surprised by your surliness.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps i can concede that a portion of the blog post is guano-maniacal, al. it's an attempt at close reading, bt after the second p it gets hastey and halfhearted, etc.
bt i was mainly trying to cut thru the idea that this single is wacky, meaningless flowery nonsense. it seems like a really tight song packed with subtle meaning, and an utterly sensible first single. (plus the beat is in a fresh (eminem 2.0/cartoon) style (but it might not be that good))

i think i see what you mean by its cartoonishness (ARGH ARGH ARGH ARGH), but is it a problem?

― peter $.., Friday, 1 October 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I know I'm not a big fan of using smileys but I would assume that our previous conversations and the CONSIDERABLE writing I do about various and sundry tracks and genre that CERTAINLY don't fit into the heading of keepin' it real would suggest that I wasn't looking to take potshots at anyone.
I'm not looking for an argument here and I'm surprised by your surliness.

haha I'm sorry, it was just based on your bile for this track (you acknowledged being REALLY pissed off about it) I wondered if you hadn't been driven into saying somethin' really stupid (I get you mean "have fun" as "whatever" now). It's because of my respect for take that I got surly about it. If it was just some shmuck saying "this ain't real hip-hop" as if Licensed To Ill and "Walk This Way" and god knows what else wasn't equally questionable I would have laughed it off.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

thinkin' somebody's pulling some "anybody who likes this is hurting the cause" is something I'd easily get surly about. I don't apologize for my reaction to anyone who actually means that, but I'm sorry I misinterpeted.

And then there was peace.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever. You fucking wannabe poser. I bet you liked Snow too.
Smiley.
Incidentally, Snow got my vote for the omgwtfrofl poll. I'm thinking this is a sure winner for the "2003-2008" edition.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Now let's deconstruct Patience and Prudence's "Tonight You Belong to Me" and what it says about "Revolutionary but Gangsta" politics.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, this whole thread should be compiled into an entry for the 2005 EMP Pop Conference:

"Eminem and 'Just Lose It': Avant-Reactionary Deconstructor of Rap 'Identity,' Or Just a Big Ol' 'Mo?"

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 1 October 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)


see, bang, like "ha ha, gotcha fools"

― jsk baby (jsk baby), Friday, 1 October 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, that's supposed to be w/ this picture
http://image.listen.com/img/170x170/3/0/1/6/656103_170x170.jpg

here's the link in case that doesn't work either.

― jsk baby (jsk baby), Friday, 1 October 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

This should make my 5 worst singles of the year.

― billstevejim, Saturday, 2 October 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the difference between a chorus and a hook in a rap?

this song's chorus is more like a refrain than a hook.

look how serious em looks! i want to compare him to jay on the cover of xxl, and that gun graphic is so comically clever. the inverted e's, just lose it in that texas font that matches his tie . . .

― peter $.., Saturday, 2 October 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This song is great. It's like when I was in high school and decided to be in the talent show with my dance class because the dance was completely uncool and embarrassing, but it would shock the hell out of everyone, so I got to enjoy watching everyone's jaw drop and the satisfaction of knowing I had done something really uncool on purpose.

― daria g (daria g), Sunday, 3 October 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

That's my favorite review yet.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 3 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

just saw the video

let's see. em plays:

late 80s/early 90s michael jackson
pee wee herman (1985-1990)
mc hammer (~1990)
madonna circa ~1990
bad santa (2003) ???????????????????

plus extremely literal interpretations of the lyrics. even worse than the song i say.

― a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

is this video online anywhere? I don't wanna have to actually WATCH MTV FFS.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i knew he was going to be terrible after the end of the my band video and that other terrible d12 video. fuck em

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

let's see. em plays:

late 80s/early 90s michael jackson
pee wee herman (1985-1990)
mc hammer (~1990)
madonna circa ~1990
bad santa (2003) ???????????????????

So he IS Weird Al now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Although details remain tightly under wraps, Billboard.com has learned Eminem's upcoming album, "Encore," will be available in a special collector's edition. Due Nov. 16 via Shady/Interscope, the set will be housed in a telescoping box and feature 25 glossy photo inserts. Full album lyrics, an exclusive Eminem photo and an exclusive free ringtone round out the bonuses.

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/default.asp?artistID=1037847

what a weirdo

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet the album is much better than the song.

Which is pretty much meaningless, considering the song is so damn awful.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this might work for winamp people:

http://nsv.stream.aol.com/uvox?cachefile=/aol/us/aolmusic/artists/universal/eminem/eminem_justloseit_nf89dfj_350.nsv

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

If em dresses up like paris hilton and is filmed in a nightvision green light as he goes down on some guy (or even some chick)in the vid, I'll rethink my position on this track.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 October 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, I acknowledge being fully wrong about the song's U.S. chart placement: it leaps to #10 on the Hot 100 in Billboard this week.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 8 October 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)


If em dresses up like paris hilton and is filmed in a nightvision green light as he goes down on some guy (or even some chick)in the vid, I'll rethink my position on this track.

-- Forksclovetofu (forksclovetof...), October 8th, 2004.

b-but the real actual Paris Hilton is in the video!

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The video's just okay, nowhere near the masterpiece the "Without Me" clip was. But I like the song enough that I want to hear the rest of the record.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the weirdest thing about the video = kids dancing!

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

is that one dancing white girl the same one from missy's "i'm really really hot" video?

― Genoshan Mutant Pop Defense League (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i wondered that at first too! i don't think it is though.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i've heard this song a bunch more on the radio and...i have revised my opinion to fall in with everybody else...it's not very good.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a mixtape compiling his beef freestyles with benzino and ja rule? that would rule....those are some of his best verses ever.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that a BOBCAT GOLDTHWAIT sample in this song? ARGHARGHARGHARGHARGH

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

pee wee herman.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right! I knew it sounded familiar.

Today's secret word is...SPUNK. Kids, whenever we hear the secret word, what do we do?

Kids: SCREAM!

That's right...scream reall loud!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

It never ceases to amaze me what people will defend on this board, and how they'll choose to defend it.

I'll repeat what I said on the blasphemy thread about Destiny's Child: if you like this song, go ahead and saw your ears off, because they're not doing you any good. And if you like the video, you might as well rip your eyes out and donate them to the nearest hospital's transplant unit.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ladies and gentleman, his name is phil freeman and he is a good guy at being on the motherfucking money.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

haha phil i bet ornette would have loved this song.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I really cannot get a handle on this song. I guess I have to agree that this song sucks but in a completely fascinating way.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

For an example of why Eminem does not still suck check out "Crunk Juice (40 oz)" from dj smallz southern smoke X mixtape.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 11 October 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the video is startlingly low-budget looking (At least on the net). This album could so well be his Around The World In A Day (I'm saying that in front of everybody but Dan).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 11 October 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

You follow your breakthrough pop-culture pinnacle with THIS silly toss-off shit!?!?!?!!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 11 October 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Monday, 11 October 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

SOHH.com reported the continuing rumor that this is a fake to throw off bootleggers...does anyone have any facts to back this up or is this just another case of urban legend/wishful thinking on the part of folks like me that HOPE it's fake?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Considering there's a video (even if it does look 'cheap') and it's all over radio, I doubt it can be a fake.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think it's pretty lazy and slight compared to the lead off singles from his other albums, but "Just Lose It" has definitely grown on me. I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it was fun.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, thus my disdain, since I hate fun. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't get this @%#$^#$^ song out of my head. It reminds me, improbably, of Bloom County for reasons I can't put a finger on.

AGH AGH AGH AGH!!!!!

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

BILL THE CAT!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That's more "ACK! THPTH!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

saw eminem do a phone-in interview on B.E.T. over the weekend and they asked eminem about this song. he said something to the effect that he could make something up about the song was about but that really - 'the song means nothing'. he also commented on the video and said it was sort of a disaster and that 'it is what it is'

― 6335, Monday, 11 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

AUGH! AUGH! + hairball = ACK! THPHPT!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Does 'fake' in this context mean 'an Eminem single that won't actually be on the album'?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

“Marshall, what’s in YOUR anxiety closet?”

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw I listened to Scott Thompson's version of 'Stan' this morning and roffled.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This must be the first time a piss-take's ever inadvertently gone Top 10.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The singy part in the middle has grown on me quite a bit.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe my sense of humor is infantile, but when I heard this on the radio for the first time, I cracked up. But I liked "My Band" too, and I thought "Lose Yourself" was a way overrated, joyless piece of work.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6337

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And it just keeps getting stranger.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

the strangest part of that link is that apparently SOHH.com abbreviates Michael Jackson's name as "MiJac".

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)


the weirdest thing about the video = kids dancing!

-- mark p (mark.p****...), October 8th, 2004.
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is that one dancing white girl the same one from missy's "i'm really really hot" video?

-- Genoshan Mutant Pop Defense League (gracefulas...), October 8th, 2004.
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i wondered that at first too! i don't think it is though.

-- mark p (mark.p****...), October 8th, 2004.

it is Alyson Stoner from all the Missy videos btw

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Listening to this now. The beat itself is pretty weak; the sentiment is surprisingly vicious and anarchistic:
"In these closing statements: if they should argue; let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences and assemble our own army to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president... for the present... and mosh for the future of our next generation to speak and be heard."
Em's army has no stop/loss policy, kids.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't help but be reminded of Bush's "armies of compassion".

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
I can't help thinking that em's new single qualifies as some sort of child-abuse. hush little baby? no, you hush, ya big friggin' weirdo. and i don't know why other songs where he talks to his kid didn't make me feel this way. this one just really bugs the hell out of me. (i keep hearing it on the radio in the car. i'm assuming it's his latest single from the album.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

UPDATE: I still dislike "Just Lose It".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

UPDATE: I still like "Just Lose It".

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I was on the fence about "Just Lose It" for a while, but having heard three other tracks from the album, I'm about ready to crown it a masterpiece.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

BOY, I was angry about this album.
In retrospect, there WAS three good tracks on there (yellow brick road, big weenie, and rain man) and that's probably enough.
But the rest is _SO_ bad...

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

seems i haven't yet mentioned how much i hate this: i hate this lots.

― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

so appeasin'

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Man I sure was a dick on this thread.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

Weird thing is, after "Just Lose It" and the Encore album, he actually got WORSE!! Ever heard "Fack"?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Putting "Fack" as the first song of his greatest hits CD was just perverse.

― Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

eight years pass...

How in holy hell is this song over ten years old.

― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 21 February 2015 19:49 (eleven years ago)

How in holy hell did this track ever get released to begin with? The sudden drop-off from his first three albums to this is just... what!?

― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 21 February 2015 19:54 (eleven years ago)

LOL at people thinking this had to be a joke or a hoax because it was so terrible.

― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 21 February 2015 20:00 (eleven years ago)

I was on the fence about "Just Lose It" for a while, but having heard three other tracks from the album, I'm about ready to crown it a masterpiece.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, January 31, 2005 12:32 PM

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 February 2015 20:06 (eleven years ago)

I love looking back and reading initial ILM reactions to then-new music.

― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 21 February 2015 20:11 (eleven years ago)


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