― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 September 2004 19:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 September 2004 20:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 26 September 2004 22:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
http://www.creationrecords.org.uk/c86.htm
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 September 2004 05:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
the rest of this record i can take or (more often) leave
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 27 September 2004 06:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― gaz (gaz), Monday, 27 September 2004 06:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Bimble (bimble), Monday, 27 September 2004 07:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 27 September 2004 07:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Bimble (bimble), Monday, 27 September 2004 08:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― koogs (koogs), Monday, 27 September 2004 08:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Bimble (bimble), Monday, 27 September 2004 08:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― john lewis (johnnylewis), Monday, 27 September 2004 10:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 27 September 2004 11:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Let's just say that, much like the equally-badly-chosen YES NEW YORK compilation that I'm listening to right now, it's nowhere near as good as it could have been.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 27 September 2004 12:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
We Have A Fuzzbox And We're Gonna Use It = Best C86 band name EVAH
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
yeah, could've sworn it was available on cd but cddb has no mention of it... um... i could be wrong.
― koogs (koogs), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― zappi (joni), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
NME C86 is an album its virtually impossible to like all the tunes on (its actually very varied) but a lot are still great. hence my email.
When people talk about "c86" they mean indie-pop deriv from 85-87 and most of that is better summed up by the 1986 compilation "Indie top 20 vol 1"...
― gerardo francisco, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
my second tape copy (bought in a shop about a year after nme offer) has RT catno on the spine (Rough C100) and no NME. and is missing the .022 from the front. have also found images of the LP sleeve but no mention of CD anywhere on the web.
'Doing It For The Kids' is also worth having.
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 08:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 08:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
The Ammonites were great, Zappi!
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
okay, back to indie-pop. Loved the Shop Assistants by the way. Or at least I loved the album when it came out. Same with Fuzzbox.
also, a big influence on us anglophiliac yank kidz with the funny hair were those debut ten inches/magazines. oh boy were they! now if i could just remember the name of that group who had that duet that went "from make up to break up...I beat myself up inside". I loved that one. It was mighty twee.
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
only great when compared to, say, Screaming Custard or Cellophane or Thee George Squares (ha).
― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― cw (cww), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Marvellous stuff! (Zappi, I'll do you a tape if you want, to thankyou for those Deerhoof beauties you sent me the other week).
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
the rest is pretty much what i enjoyed prior to my wake up call @ end of 86 when i discovered Run DMC.
prior to that though i loved mighty lemon drops and shop assistants for several hours.
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
http://66.40.206.13/wolfhounds/ICA-press.gif
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
bad sound.
not to mention that the band had 'issues' with the soundboard that day which messed up the gig somewhat - according to well established sources.
but fun stuff nonetheless, includes power cut !
.. and i dont mean the Noel Watson (the bands DJ later on)
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Peter Hurst New Brighton Through The Binoculars Of The People One Last Fight Catch Candy Ryan Like Men Possessed Two's A Crowd Goodnight Angel Crikey It's The Cromptons Food For Feet Gone To Earth No Work Today Innocents Abroad Time Was Fairground In Fear Of You Jacktars Tadpole The Decemberists Gift Horse Magic Carpets Trick Of Fate Da Vincis The Book Peter Hurst/Brian N. Smithers The End
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
9 Steps to Ugly - Eddie Lopez lives in SloughVery cool, proto-Sundays. Makes me wonder if that is actually Harriet Wheeler singing.
Ammonites - All We HadSlightly better than average Britpopesque Garage Rock with a singer doing a mediocre Morrissey/Mick Hucknall impersonation.
Apple Moths - KymriGag-inducingly cheesy knockoff of...I dunno...General Public or sumthin. The opening 3 seconds sounds like a jingle for Minty Kleen ass-freshener.
Baby Lemonade - Jiffy Neckwear CreationVery, very, very badly encoded. The song sounds like an inept Fall cover band doing a version of a bad Wire b-side. And the mp3 sounds like a Victrola at the bottom of a well. (Yes, I know that this is a "The food is so terrible, and whats worse the portions are so small" kind of argument, but it is the truth.)
Baby Lemonade - Real WorldAhhhh. This is much better. Its like what would happen if Stereolab and Lush had a baby.
Balloon Farm - A Question of TemperatureWeird ass retro shit. Like a 60s garage band basing their 80s comeback on a mix of Fretblanket and TMBG's "Twisting"; though the faux soul chorus is so cheesy as to be unintentionally cool.
Jamie Wednesday - I Think I'll Throw a Party for Myself.Yick. No wonder nobody shows up for your shindigs, you John Wesley Harding wannabe.
Jazz Butcher - Shirley MacLaineCoulda been cool, like an upbeat version of...I dunno...Nick Cave fronting the Hoodoo Gurus. Shame the mp3 sounds like crap being squirted through a very thin tube.
Look Blue Go Purple - HiawathaThe only thing cooler than the weird retro organ is the thickly accented brit girl pretending to be both Kim Gordon and Kristin Hersh.
Love Parade - WoundedWhiny maudlin drivel. Starts out with yet another lame Morrissey impersonation. (and another track with tinny...no, scratch that... 'styrofoamy' sound. a 160 bitrate and it sounds like your listening to it through a door.)
Primitives - Crash (Demo)I always loved this song. The vibe is much rawer, but the singers vocal sounds unrehearsed and slightly bored.
Wild Flowers - A Kind of KingdomDerivative, yet...catchy. I can't explain it, but the music sounds...aussie. The vocal tries to hard to be Bono Vox, though.
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Jamie Wednesday were a previous incarnation Carter USM weren't they?
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 20:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
"All we had" was the Ammonites song i remembered as ok.
I liked what I heard of 9 Steps to Ugly. (And the Sainsburys were on a similar tape I once had - they were good)
Most of the rest mentioned in Custos' post a bit rubbish. (But NOT baby lemonade!)
"Doing it for the kids" is way more floppy fringed and whiney than C86. When you think of C86 you must never forget it housed bands as brilliant as A Witness and Big Flame.
Oh and the Jactars were pretty good of all those scouse bands upthread. Hellfire sermons were the best liverpool band of all though (well, second best behind HMHB)
― gerardo francisco, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― gerardo francisco, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
yeah, Carter formed when the other three blokes quit but they still had a gig booked; Jim and Les did the show with a drum machine and thought "well this was easy and we don't have to split the money so much" sorta thing. "let's name this one after you instead of me."
― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― everything, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Various Artists - An Hour Of Eloquent Sounds Pleasantly Surprised 001 / Klark 02 a Speak in Volumes / Sunset Gun Enterprises colaboration 1982
Side 1 Side 2 1. The Birthday Party - The Hairshirt 2. Dante and the Lobster - Murder Followed By Suicide 3. The French Impressionists - Summertime 4. A Pair Of Blue Eyes - Giovanis Room 5. Eric Random and the Nosebleeds - Bedlam a Go-Go 6. Ludus - Rosa Luxemburg 7. Primal Scream - Thought 8. Marine Girls - Take A Chance 9. A.P.B. - Love To Learn 10. 22 Beaches - Zoo 11. Essential Bop - Monkey Glands 12. Cocteau Twins - Perhaps Some Other Aeon 13. The Wake - The Drill 14. Sunset Gun - Gotta Have Me Go With You 15. Billy Makenzie Sings Orbidoig - Helicopter Helicopter
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 3 October 2004 02:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― W. Earl Piglet, Friday, 31 December 2004 01:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 31 December 2004 02:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Bimble..., Friday, 31 December 2004 02:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― W. Earl Piglet, Friday, 31 December 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 10:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink
and now bob stanley gone done this.
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink
e.g. Stump "Buffalo"
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink
Somebody said it up there
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink
"nobody else on C86 was represented by their best tracks "
So true. Though Buffalo is Stump's most likable track.
― everything (everything), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Bassment Jacks (Bimble...), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― everything (everything), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1930836,00.html
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink
OK so you steal Bachelor Pad titles for your crappy "celebration" but you try finding their music on CD. Ya bastids!
― Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink
cathy was last seen on tv crashing cars with henry rollins. which was funny. juxtaposition.
― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink
I ask that question as a public service, rather than for my own ends.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink
Hear, hear!
Later period stuff is possibly forthcoming: http://www.eggrecords.co.uk/future.asp
I have Tales of Hoffmann on cd. But what about the Warholasound period?
― everything (everything), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― everything (everything), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink
Selective music history as David Cameron would appreciate it. No nasty Def Jam hip hop there!
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink
No it didn't
C86, the unassuming mail-order cassette compiled by NME, through which the indie sound and scene first coalesced
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink
It's been forthcoming for yonks, with no end in sight
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink
I don't think many Billy Bragg fans defected to the Tory ranks. I could be wrong though.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink
I don't think many of them listened to it either
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink
"Later period stuff is possibly forthcoming: http://www.eggrecords.co.uk/future.aspIt's been forthcoming for yonks, with no end in sight"
Hence the "possibly". Jim Kavanagh showed up on the "forthcoming from LTM" thread to talk about this a while ago:
"The Bachelor PadThe track listing is still undecided for various reasons .. however it will have the original version of "girl of your dreams" (from original tape) as released with my fanzine of the time "simply thrilled" (and others). Warhola singles maybe (anyone know the whereabouts of Mike Stout), rarities maybe. There is so many.
I have the 7 songs from the "frying tonight" concert will possibly release at some point maybe as a download "EP"... thats one of the reasons the track listing is still undecided, there too many options!
Remember Fun
I have "re-mastered" the original "train journey" etc demo, sounds fine, there seemed to a story around at the time of the matinee single that masters where lost - I had some (but not all). The guys are recording some new songs (original band) 'cos they wanted to.
Even As We Speak
Possibly rare/unreleased stuff, watch this space as they say but it all takes soooooo long.
I couldnt say why Oz labels are not interested (hey they know where I am if they want to help!)
I also have plans for releases from Lets Go Naked. Not as well known as EAWS/Lighthouse Keepers but excellent.
Thanks for the interest and yeah I found the "chicken rhythmn" reference, Its a long thread!
Jim
-- Jim Kavanagh (inf...), October 28th, 2005.
― everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― harvey.w (harvey.w), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink
By the way, the "Wot no love for the Bachelor Pad" thread is still getting no love, languishing unanswered for two years so far.
― everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink
Yes, they tracked down as many band members as they could. I certainly supplied Sanctuary with addresses/emails of as many of the bands as I knew, and generally (the indie network being what it is), someone knew someone else & so on.
>>>Harvey, any idea how many of these tracks are dubbed from vinyl?
No idea. Another Sunny Day's contribution is certainly from a mastertape, but as that tape is a 20-year old Maxell C90, it's never going to sound great.
And that's the point, I think. As often as not, a mint vinyl copy will provide as good -if not better- a remastering source as an old mastertape. Tape is prone to all sorts of deterioration issues (hence the need for "baking" old tapes prior to replay). If a mint vinyl copy can be found, it's simply a case of recording that from a top-end vinyl player.I've not listened to the compilation analytically yet (too busy loving the music & reveling in the memories), but the sound seems fairly top-notch to me. All except "Sunday To Saturday", whose right channel has peak distortion throughout. Which is a real shame. But as John Peel might say, "life has peak distortion throughout".
― harvey.w (harvey.w), Saturday, 28 October 2006 11:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Saturday, 28 October 2006 13:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― harvey.w (harvey.w), Saturday, 28 October 2006 13:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink
Ha ha, some of you are now in my house!
It is nice how many of the writing credits are on first name terms only, eg "Sean".
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink
I would aslo like to see the Some Bizarre exhibition near Russell Square, but you have to ring the bell to gain entry and I am worried about that.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink
What could possibly happen?
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink
www.hungrybeat.com
― harvey.w (harvey.w), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink
The frontage was totally blank. Unless you knew it was there you could never find it.
You had to ring the bell to gain access.
I did so frequently.
I was always let in.
There were no sinister overtones.
However the shop has since ceased trading.
So perhaps the blank frontage was deleterious from a marketing point of view.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink
not for the first time, I covered a song from C86
http://soundcloud.com/pinefox/therese
― the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink
I have been listening to the 3CD C86 compilation.
First CD is, I think, the original tape then extras; then two more CDs of other material from the year.
First two CDs a bit disappointing, if anything -- basically because they didn't correspond to the myth or legend of C86 as a genre; they're often not poppy, jangly, etc; the original C86 just was not the same as the idea constructed retrospectively. Some might say it was more interesting. There are influences from The Fall, noise, sneering - mostly not my kind of thing.
The third CD though seems to show the aesthetic (as it would later be seen) cohering more and I enjoy it best.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 08:33 (ten months ago) Permalink
Disc 1 is just the original tape, there's no extras. Well, apart from they used the wrong version of the Pastels song, it's the version from the Truck Train Tractor 12" instead, which is particularly annoying since that's one of or perhaps the only song that isn't available anywhere else. But that's fairly typical for Cherry Red records.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 6 April 2018 09:22 (ten months ago) Permalink
So the tape was 22 tracks ?!
I need to read the sleevenotes properly.
Velocity Girl, Therese, It's Up To You -- all tremendous. Otherwise not very convinced by that first disc.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:04 (ten months ago) Permalink
Worst things on it: probably Stump and Half Man Half Biscuit.
"9 Steps to Ugly - Eddie Lopez lives in SloughVery cool, proto-Sundays. Makes me wonder if that is actually Harriet Wheeler singing."
Hard to picture HW singing a song with that title.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:07 (ten months ago) Permalink
Crikey, though, here it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=865jN97IKh8
That song is fine, my kind of thing in a way, but it does not really sound like Harriet Wheeler at all.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:09 (ten months ago) Permalink
fwiw CD tracklisting:
DISC ONE:1. PRIMAL SCREAM – Velocity Girl2. THE MIGHTY LEMON DROPS – Happy Head3. THE SOUP DRAGONS – Pleasantly Surprised4. THE WOLFHOUNDS – Feeling So Strange Again *5. THE BODINES – Therese6. MIGHTY MIGHTY – Law7. STUMP – Buffalo *8. BOGSHED – Run To The Temple *9. A WITNESS – Sharpened Sticks10.THE PASTELS – Breaking Lines *11.AGE OF CHANCE – From Now On, This Will Be Your God *12.SHOP ASSISTANTS – It’s Up to You *13.CLOSE LOBSTERS – Firestation Towers *14.MIAOW – Sport Most Royal15.HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT – I Hate Nerys Hughes (From The Heart)16.THE SERVANTS – Transparent17.MacKENZIES – Big Jim (There’s No Pubs In Heaven) *18.BIG FLAME – New Way (Quick Wash And Brush Up With Liberation Theology) *19.WE’VE GOT A FUZZBOX AND WE’RE GONNA USE IT – Console Me *20.McCARTHY – Celestial City *21.THE SHRUBS – Bullfighter’s Bones * 22.THE WEDDING PRESENT – This Boy Can Wait (A Bit Longer!)
DISC TWO:1. THE JUNE BRIDES – Just The Same2. YEAH YEAH NOH – Another Side To Mrs Quill3. THE PRIMITIVES – Lazy4. JESSE GARON & THE DESPERADOES – Splashing Along5. THE BAND OF HOLY JOY – Rosemary Smith6. THE McTELLS – Virginia M.C. *7. B.M.X. BANDITS – E1028. ONE THOUSAND VIOLINS – Like One Thousand Violins9. THE DENTISTS – Peppermint Dreams10.THE MEMBRANES – Everything’s Brilliant11.THE WEATHER PROPHETS – Worm In My Brain12.THE BRILLIANT CORNERS – Meet Me On Tuesdays13.TALULAH GOSH – I Told You So 14.PIGBROS – Hedonist Hat15.14 ICED BEARS – Inside16.ST. CHRISTOPHER – Go Ahead, Cry * 17.THE GROOVE FARM – Captain Fantastic (Demo)18.KILGORE TROUT – The Peacock Nose * 19.THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN – Inside Me20.THE HIT PARADE – You Didn’t Love Me Then21.THAT PETROL EMOTION – Mine 22.THE TURNCOATS – One Breath * 23.A RIOT OF COLOUR – Skink (Flexi Version) *24.PAUL GROOVY & THE POP ART EXPERIENCE – Tune In, Turn On, Trip Out **25. THE RAILWAY CHILDREN – Darkness And Colour
DISC THREE:1. THE CHESTERF!ELDS – Sweet Revenge2. THE JASMINE MINKS – World’s No Place3. STITCHED-BACK FOOT AIRMAN – Why *4. RAZORCUTS – Sad Kaleidoscope5. TREEBOUND STORY – I Remember *6. THE NIGHTINGALES – Part Time Moral England7. EPISODE FOUR – Strike Up Matches8. THE AVONS – Everything’s Going Right *9. MEAT WHIPLASH – Don’t Slip Up10.KING OF THE SLUMS – Spider Psychiatry *11.HAPPY MONDAYS – Freaky Dancin’12.BIFF BANG POW! – Love’s Going Out Of Fashion13.BLUE AEROPLANES – Outback Jazz14.LAWRENCE & THE COMFORTABLE SOCIETY – Heartache *15.LAUGH – Take Your Time, Yeah (Flexi Version) *16.NORTH OF CORNWALLIS – Billy Liar **17.POP WILL EAT ITSELF – Mesmerized18.BENNY PROFANE – Hang Fire *19.GO! SERVICE – Real Life20.JANITORS – Good To Be The King *21.THE CLAIM – Gullible’s Travels22.THE AUCTIONEERS – Scoop **23.NOSEFLUTES – Perfect Cockney Hard-On *24.THE LOVE ACT – Hep Clothes **25.THE ENORMOUS ROOM – I Don’t Need You *
** = PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED* = ORIGINALLY NEW TO CD (AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST PRESSING
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:17 (ten months ago) Permalink
odd revive.
they've done a c87 and c88 in the same style.
https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/c87-deluxe-3cd-box-set/https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/c88-various-artists-deluxe-3cd-box-set/
which, looking at the listings, eschew the more interesting (imo) bits of c86 in favour of the more 'c86'-sounding things.
― koogs, Friday, 6 April 2018 14:46 (ten months ago) Permalink
> they used the wrong version of the Pastels song
is this a thing? it's just that the truckload of trouble comp had different versions of older tracks on it too. did they lose the masters? rights issues? thought they could do better (invariably false)?
― koogs, Friday, 6 April 2018 14:49 (ten months ago) Permalink
I guess you're not a Fall fan, Pinefox, because I love the influence sprinkled around C86. The myth has always been that it was a single sound - the original tape disproves that immediately.
Stump is a great lost treasure but admittedly an acquired taste.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:05 (ten months ago) Permalink
In my case Stump are the opposite of an acquired taste - I liked them at the time and now I can't bear to listen to them.
― Tim, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:12 (ten months ago) Permalink
i'd've like to have seen more ron johnson records in the expanded version. they don't appear to be available anywhere (not that i've looked that hard. there was an a witness compilation on amazon until recently. but i think the label comp is long oop)
― koogs, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:22 (ten months ago) Permalink
(although maybe i am nostalgic for the names rather than the actual music)
― koogs, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:37 (ten months ago) Permalink
Gerald, yes, your attitude to the whole thing is roughly the opposite of mine.
I can see that it isn't in fact a single pop sound (as legend has misleadingly suggested) and I tend to wish it was, because the other sounds are mostly ones I don't like.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:40 (ten months ago) Permalink
thinking about ron johnson etc makes me wish there was an online archive for 'underground' magazine somewhere. maybe there is?
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:42 (ten months ago) Permalink
oh look i did find this:
http://graphicnothing.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/underground-magazine-by-rod-clark-1987.html
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 6 April 2018 15:47 (ten months ago) Permalink
Tim - why, what happened?
Pinefox - I love that sound as well; I am all-in with The Bodines, Shop Assistants, Close Lobsters, Fuzzbox, McCarthy and The Wedding Present. Later I came to love Stump, A Witness, and bits of Big Flame (who get too cacophonous for even me). You'd do well to check out the C87 and C88 comps. As mentioned, they focus on the poppier side and have very few duds.
Further down the indiepop compilation road is also the "Scared To Get Happy" box.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:48 (ten months ago) Permalink
Close Lobsters (to a degree) and (more so) Fuzzbox and Wedding Present are not really jangly or sweet enough for me.
But I take the general point and I do sense that the 87 and 88 compilations might be closer to what I like.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:50 (ten months ago) Permalink
It's apples and oranges innit. C86 was a compilation of brand-new artists while the others are retrospective genre compilations.
The connection is the use of "C86" for marketing purposes.
― everything, Friday, 6 April 2018 18:03 (ten months ago) Permalink
twas called "shambling bands" not "jangling bands" at the time iirc; a jaggedness that might be clumsy and/or willed was one of the hallmarks at least as much as velvets/shangrilas indiepop template, or something.
Stump were magnificent.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 6 April 2018 20:46 (ten months ago) Permalink
"It's apples and oranges innit. C86 was a compilation of brand-new artists while the others are retrospective genre compilations."
Well the Cherry Red C86 box is both. But the songs it includes that were not on the tape include (esp CD2) stuff that's like what's on the tape. It's not that everything not on the original tape is a different aesthetic.
"The connection is the use of "C86" for marketing purposes."
But ... given that the original C86 was a particular thing (some pop, some noise, some Fall, etc), why did it become potent for marketing something else? That's the puzzle maybe.
For me the whole thing is to some extent a case study of how culture is reimagined, re-streamlined, etc, retrospectively for the needs of a later time. Though it's not entirely that, as some of what came to be casually thought of as C86 is present in the original.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:04 (ten months ago) Permalink
There's a great Stump thread on here
― Mark G, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:12 (ten months ago) Permalink
... and why did the later time have those needs?
And what time was it?
I'm inclined to pin it on the www-driven indiepop revival of c.2008-. I feel like it was around that time and subsequent years that I especially heard a lot of 'C86' as a category for indie discos, influences, etc, not particularly meaning the actual 'C86'. I feel like that was the time that the reinvention / relabelling process really took place. A clear-cut example is the idea (c.2008-) that The Pains of Being Pure at Heart drew on C86, though it would be harder really to point to a Pains record that sounds like what's on C86.
But maybe it was earlier too. Maybe all this was around by eg: the early days of Camera Obscura.
And maybe, even, by say the end of the 1980s, once some kind of idea of indie pop had been more streamlined and solidified (cf. the 87 and 88 compilations which draw on this), it was already tempting to look back and think of this in terms of C86? I can remember reviews of The Primitives in maybe 1989 putting them in this sort of context (ie: saying they were successors to Shop Assistants & Talulah Gosh, who at the time were exotic mysterious bands I had never heard).
― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:37 (ten months ago) Permalink
I'm sure I don't need to remind you all that the first BMX Bandits album, released in '89 or '90(?), was called 'C86'! This seemed kind of hilarious at the time because C86 was like the uncoolest thing imaginable by 1989. I don't know why the BMX Bandits called the album that but it seemed to me they were saying, "Yeah yeah, we know you think it's crap but we still like it".
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:55 (ten months ago) Permalink
... they might have just thought it was funny though.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:56 (ten months ago) Permalink
Yes, I did need you to remind me of that.
BMX Bandits are on CD2 of the Cherry Red version with a song from 1986 itself.
I agree that releasing a record called C86 in 1990 is odd.
I don't think I have ever really heard a song by that band that I liked, but I might not have heard enough.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 April 2018 15:00 (ten months ago) Permalink
I bought the C86 tape in a second hand shop in 1997, and I was surprised by all the Fall-influenced bands because I was expecting it all to be jangly indiepop, because that's what C86 meant at the time.
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 15:02 (ten months ago) Permalink
C86 became a millstone for bands included on the album and also for some bands that weren't. BMX Bandits' C86 album is because they were one of the bands cast as and archetypal C86 band yet having nothing to do with it. And possibly because it had taken them almost 5 years to get an album out and some of the songs were from the C86 period. The cover has their skeleton mascot rising from the dead with associated iconography - just like Iron Maiden's Live After Death.
― everything, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:38 (ten months ago) Permalink
But maybe Duglas will show up on this thread to sort it out.
― everything, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:46 (ten months ago) Permalink
Stevie T pointed out to me that MIAOW was CATH CARROLL so I listened to this with new ears.
Previously I had heard or misheard it as some kind of Scritti Politti pastiche.
I also keep playing THE SERVANTS.
Despite my doubts, there is something about this compilation that responds to a lot of listening.
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 April 2018 10:19 (ten months ago) Permalink
The Servants is Luke Haines's original band iirc?
― you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 April 2018 10:33 (ten months ago) Permalink
It was but he hadn’t joined by the time of C86.
― Tim, Monday, 16 April 2018 10:41 (ten months ago) Permalink
Check out the Miaow compilation When It All Comes Down that LTM put out; great stuff!
― early rejecter, Monday, 16 April 2018 14:25 (ten months ago) Permalink
Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
I have just started on the Cherry Red C87 compilation. It's very good! Better than C86!
― the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2018 15:13 (seven months ago) Permalink
CD2 of C87 is even better than CD1.
One song on it that I never really knew is LAUGH's 'Paul McCartney'. I find this tune quite compelling. Does anyone else remember and like this band?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:11 (six months ago) Permalink
They are on the Video comp "Gimme Shelter" put out by the NME.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:18 (six months ago) Permalink
I know and like Laugh - our friend Dan Pantry was a big fan, PF. My favourite of their material is when they went a little dancier on SubAqua ("Good To Feel Good" off their only LP is tremendous, though I think a little less up your street.
They evolved into Intastella, who you may also remember?
― Tim, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:35 (six months ago) Permalink
Thanks TH! Somehow I associated you with Laugh but could not find any specific evidence of this.
I do remember the name Intastella but not, just now, the music.
The song 'Paul McCartney' - apart from its perhaps appealing title - has a kind of rhetorical and emotional urgency that I find fits well with its melody and music.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 10:18 (six months ago) Permalink
Bad news update: CD3 seems to be where the bad, gurning, wacky, tuneless sub-Fall would-be-avant-garde bands have been stowed in this compilation. I had hoped that it might be almost free of them. It's quite a disappointment after the heights of CD2.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:31 (six months ago) Permalink
I'd keep going, the first 8 or so bands might be along those lines but I'd be surprised if you view e.g. Jesse Garon & The Desperadoes or the Siddeleys as tuneless sub-Fall (of course I like all the supposedly bad bands at the beginning of disc 3, especially the Dog Faced Hermans and A Witness)
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:44 (six months ago) Permalink
Yes, A Witness in particular has some great moments.
The next box, "C89", is coming out in a couple of weeks!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:53 (six months ago) Permalink
I agree, Jesse Garon and (even more) Siddeleys are definitely not in that bad genre. (Though there is a Jesse Garon track somewhere that seems to have some kind of Mark E. Smith pastiche on it?) So yes I will keep going, thanks.
As a friend says, it's good that they put all that stuff together and maybe I can skip past it in future.
I like the idea of C89 but I will need to get to C88 first.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (six months ago) Permalink