John Lennon POX

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Just because, okay??

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Imagine there's no POX thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, go to bed. Now!

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

If you must know why I ask, I'm not quite as knowledgeable on his album tracks/b-sides/whatever from the post-Imagine/pre-Sean years, and I'm looking for a few recommendations.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Where does Walls & Bridges fall?

"Whatever Gets You Through the Night" is classic. "What You Got" is very good. And I like "Scared" a lot, from that album. Some of the others are okay, but I don't know that I'd POX them.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

The era I'm asking about includes everything after Imagine except for Double Fantasy. I think..

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, go to bed. Now!

Oddly enough, I was just going to do that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(Just Like) Starting Over
Number Nine Dream
Mind Games
Jealous Guy
God
Gimme Some Truth
How?
Oh My Love
Cleanup Time
Power to the People

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this like the chicken pox?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 06:05 (nineteen years ago) link

1. "Cold Turkey"
2. "How Do You Sleep?"
3. "I'm Losing You"
4. "Jealous Guy"
5. "(Just Like) Starting Over"
6. "#9 Dream"
7. "Watching the Wheels"
8. "Woman"
10. .....and I'm going to say "Cold Turkey" again. Sue me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

1. "Instant Karma"
2. "Watching the Wheels"
3. "Oh Yoko"
4. "Nobody Told Me"
5. "Jealous Guy"
6. "Cold Turkey"
7. "Number Nine Dream"
8. "Working Class Hero"
9. "Gimme Some Truth"
10. "Real Love" (demo)

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad someone said "Cold Turkey." I was thinking of that, but haven't heard it for so long that I wasn't sure. I don't know the precise chronological ordered of Lennon's records either.

I still like "Power to the People." (Was "Cold Turkey" on the flip side of that 45? I know my brother had the "Power to the People" single when I was a kid, something my father has probably since sold at a flea market for $.25.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It might have been in America, but here in Britain "Cold Turkey" and "Power To The People" were separate singles (the B-side to "Cold Turkey" is Yoko's astonishing "Don't Worry Kyoto (Mummy's Only Looking For A Hand In The Snow)"). Unsurprisingly "Cold Turkey" proved a little too hardcore for Beatles fans in '69, and it only reached #13 in the charts; when he returned his MBE to the Queen, Lennon gave his reasons for doing so as "(a) Britain's involvement in the Biafra War; (b) "Cold Turkey" slipping down the charts."

Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

oh my love
god
meat city (by far the highlight of the post-1971 stuff)
cold turkey
instant karma!
power to the people (bad lyrics, but what a beat!)
serve yourself (from the lennon anthology)
watching the wheels
oh yoko!
new york city (could stand to be shorter, but still cool)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Look at me
Hold on
Oh Yoko!
Nobody Told Me
Jealous Guy
You Can't Catch Me
I Don't Wanna Be a Soldier
Real Love (NOT the anthology version)
Watching the Wheels
Instant Karma!

darin, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.prop-shop.com/g/p/paa45.jpg

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

In no order...
1.Working Class Hero
2.Well Well Well
3.Instant Karma
4.How Do You Sleep?
5.Cold Turkey
6.Don't Worry Kyoko (I don't care if this is cheating - it was indeed "Cold Turkey"s b-side, as Donnie noted, and better than most of the songs on this list!)
7.Whatever Gets You Through The Night
8.Power To The People
9.New York City
10.Woman (retains a bit of pathos due more to its original release date than any particular greatness)

And "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" is (improbably) one of the few holiday songs I don't hate; in fact, I don't even get sick of it. Weird.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Mother
Gimme Some Truth
Instant Karma!
Love
Cold Turkey
Mind Games
Watching the Wheels
Beautiful Boy

i grey, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

watching the wheels
nobody loves you when you're down and out
scared
bless you
look at me
beautiful boy
nobody told me
i'm losing you
cold turkey
jealous guy

I think Walls & Bridges is really underrated, but only because of those three songs (all of which were available on really good versions on Menlove Ave., which is where I first heard them. i don't know if that ever made it to CD unfortunately).

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i can probably come up with a whole alternate ten. really a lot of the solo stuff is great.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

1-10. the Plastic Ono Band LP save "Look at Me"

Fuck "Imagine."

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

What's wrong with "Look At Me"??

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

POX? I did spell it correctly, didn't I? What's the deal?

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

1. "Dear Prudence" (solo demo)
2. "I Found Out"
3. "Nobody Told Me"
4. "Cold Turkey"
5. "Working Class Hero"
6. "Gimme Some Truth"
7. "Steel and Glass"
8. "Give Peace a Chance"
9. "I'm Losing You"
10. "I Don't Wanna Face It"

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

bring on the lucie
imagine
one day (at a time)
jealous guy
mother god
(just like) starting over
love
mind games
i found out
hold on

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 3 July 2014 07:55 (nine years ago) link

mother / god

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 3 July 2014 07:56 (nine years ago) link

fuck

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 3 July 2014 07:57 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

I am not a Beatles fanatic so I don't know how much of the material has already been easily available but I just enjoyed listening to the Song Exploder podcast episode on "God." New interview with Klaus Voormann interspersed with archival interview snippets from John, Ringo and Billy Preston, alongside original tracks broken out and bits of demo and studio chatter (I think they said previously unreleased).

There is one v funny moment when Voormann says that John asked him, "do you think I should say 'Yoko and me' instead of 'I just believe in me'?" and Voormann tells him, "I think only you can answer that question for yourself."

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:52 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

His Yahrzeit today.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 December 2023 21:27 (five months ago) link

(Another) great article from Wayne Robins on his Substack.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 December 2023 21:29 (five months ago) link

lol even in death john's desperate cries for help still are being prettified by paul to the point that no one can hear them. whether he actually wanted that is an open question

the song is fine I've decided but you want more from the "last song" from the biggest band ever. it definitely loses something without the original bridge- it seems to have been taken as another sad-nostalgic beatles tribute (marketing & video really didn't help matters). but the song might be too sad or raise too many questions if they hadn't changed it. people (paul, yoko, fans, writers) much prefer the "happy househusband" story to the "writing jealously about paul every day in his diary" story when it comes to lennon in the late 70s. what happened to this song is the musical equivalent of the kind of narrative spinning and smoothing out that the beatles empire has done with the more controversial parts of lennon's biography (broadly the late 60s/early 70s, mid 70s, and late 70s) and it bums me out a lot (both the reality and the fact that it's apparently still necessary to deny it in order to protect a a dead man's ego or something)

Left, Friday, 8 December 2023 22:45 (five months ago) link

it’s sort of interesting to me how this “final” lost Beatles song ends up so dour, goth, dirge-y, funereal, half dead sounding, it seems so far away from the methd out early 60s Beatlemania feminized noise thing that has way more relevance to their place in history imo, idk

brimstead, Friday, 8 December 2023 22:50 (five months ago) link

my interpretation is that lennon at some point(s) tried to purge that part of himself (my new music isn't for girls and gays etc) and it worked too well in terms of burning bridges and even fucking with his own memories but not at all well in terms of actually getting over it. so he had the worst of both worlds in that he destroyed most of his relationships in an attempt to get over them but it didn't work and he took it so far that he couldn't go back. I see the lennon of these posthumous songs as a ghostly and haunted figure (some reports claim he was actually expecting to be killed at any minute around this time, as karma for his violent past)

Left, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:05 (five months ago) link

as for the songs, I could just about come up with 10 I think are good but it wouldn't even make up an album. I almost want to accuse the rock press of perpetuating a conspiracy that paul was no good without john in order to cover up the obvious reality (and let john save face yet again)

Left, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:12 (five months ago) link


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