― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link
i fucking love it
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link
I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.
The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...
... doesn't appeal.
But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!
― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link
i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'
― rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
-- mitch dub (w!mbis...), April 7th, 2005."im not aware of the 50+ though.
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
In LA Weekly article, he says he has "easily 200" cassettes lying around of albums and "masters".
― fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― account settings (account), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link
He's playing Knitting Factory on Friday I think; just wondering what the hell he's gonna do with himself on stage.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― earthly kitt (earthly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Morgan Patrick (public_radio), Thursday, 10 August 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
i would like paper thanks
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Shit, I guess that works for pretty much everything.
xhowevermanyposts
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link
saw him the other night. he's finally got a good band together, a few sloppy parts but they really nailed the vocal harmonies and the weird time signitures. it actually SOUNDED just like his records too, which was weird.
― babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:19 (sixteen years ago) link
he was selling these homemade CD-Rs with different artwork for $20, i bought 3 of em and then found out they all had the same songs on them..
― babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Can't say I'm surprised.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link
that sucks.
But cool that he sounded good :D
― Drooone, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:24 (sixteen years ago) link
vudi from american music club is in this band now. which is weird. maybe I already said that upthread
― akm, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO
-- duke due, Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:45 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
not that i mind the hipster trappings too much per se, but this is entirely OTM
― 69, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Vudi?! No wonder he sounds so good now.
― henry s, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
it's too bad about this bullshit "hipster" stigma surrounding him, because he's by far the best songwriter out of any pop/rock/indie/whitebread variety these days and he's actually pretty funky too.
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, if wilco or whoever were to record an album of ariel pink songs, it'd be the unanimous critic-wide rock album of the year, no doubt.
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:06 (sixteen years ago) link
but less psychedelic and closer to reality therefore would prob. be dud
― babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link
what are we coming to
now playing: "Jules Lost His Jewels"
Come on baby, let's dance!
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:13 (sixteen years ago) link
new track is so good ("Can't Hear My Eyes")
keepin it smoooooth
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Which one doesn't belong? - Lilly Allen, Pink Elln, Ellen Allien
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
revisited the doldrums lately and realized that i enjoyed their live show much more than that album. interested in hearing that new track tho ^^
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
revisited the doldrums lately? bleh. recently
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
flash player down at the bottom of this
http://space15twenty.com/ariel_pinks_haunted_graffiti
― dmr, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks!
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
1520: What are you thinking about how you want your next album to be like?AP: The record will essentially be a formal reintroduction; me saying "hello friend. My name is Ariel Pink. You've probably read my name online somewhere, maybe your best friend burned you some of my older records, or perhaps you even think we've met at some time in the past. Baloney! Everything you think you know is WRONG- DEAD WRONG. THIS is me, naked, without the buffer of awful tape noise drowning out any lack of vision.
I dunno... That last sentence in particular sounds horrific. The noise must stay, damnit! Been listening to him alot again lately, so this smooth - it's what it is, indeed - sound comes as a surprise. It's a good song, but not as good as the best songs on this years Oddities Sodomies, I think.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
does he sound more 'professional' live (could be in a good or bad way)? or does he still sound a bit shambolic, like on the album?
― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
getting some fleetwood mac vibes, pretty cool. also sorta reminds me of gary wilson but a lot more listenable
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
fairly shambly, but in a unified sort of way. shamble tamble. they sang through some cheap reverbs, so it had some of the lo-fi vibe on their albums. played w/ 2 basses for a few of the songs too
― 6335, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I get the Gary Wilson comparison yeah, which is a good thing
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, wait a second! This new song doesn't have any farty-sounding beat boxing. WTF?!?
But seriously, this is a pretty great track. I don't think having a real studio recording hurts his sound at all.
― Moodles, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Now this is starting to sound interesting...love Ariel but he needs to take it the next level...imagine Todd Rundgren producing...
― sonnyboy, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^yeah you right
― henry s, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I have a horse in this race kinda but imo sooner or later he's going to have to just let the songs stand on their own. I think his songs are terrific so I think it'll be pretty great though, the only q for me is how his voice will go over unmodulated/unfiltered. Listening now, just on first hearing, I think it'll be just fine - the great sensibility that makes him interesting, that 70s-blender cinematic feeling, is intact.
― J0hn D., Monday, 8 December 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree John. To me it's not a either/or question between modulated and naked songs, and letting the songs stand on it's own could get him moving again. But it's just that everything he's done, to me, is already of such utter beauty, I hopes he moves to the next level rather slow. That said, I'm really starting to dig this new song.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
The song he did with John Maus "Written All Over Your Face" was a signpost of what could be achieved...love that new song as well
― sonnyboy, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Best thing was I saw him do a tour a few years go where he played with a new band backing him up in each city. That was actually kind of dull but after doing a set with them he just brought out his 4-track, plugged in his mic, and mixed the songs live. It was brilliant!
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah this is excellent. If he keeps this balance of clear but lo-fi his fingerprint will stay on the material. It's like a more sophisticated weathered sound. Well done.
The keyboardist and the drummer from Lilys are in the Haunted Grafitti now? Wow.
By the way I've been trying to get into John Maus for the last two days. Talk about a poor man's Ariel Pink. It's like he's trying to copy every aspect of Ariel Pink and just blowing it. That's got to be a bummer to shoot for crappy and fail.
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i think maus might be a rich man's ariel pink actually, but i like him too
― noizez duk, Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Really? Yeah he seems to have his own following in his own right... Ariel Pink is very "new sincerity," with a keen sense of irony, but very genuine. The songs are well constructed, there's a process and a method, and he makes pretty well fleshed-out pop songs. John Maus just sounds to me like, "Hey I can do that! Synthesizers on tape with stupid joke lyrics!"
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
By the way one's from beverly hills and the other's a colege professor. That would make them both a rich man's R. Stevie Moore, wouldn't it?
― PublicRadio, Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Ariel Pink's recording an album with the guys from Vas Deferens Organization. They also did a side project called Shits & Giggles. Dunno who will release these things, but somebody really should.
― inhibitionist, Monday, 22 December 2008 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Whoa, I'm really interested to hear this. I scrolled up the thread looking for any old posts I'd made on the subject but didn't find any, surprisingly. My favorite Ariel Pink songs - like "New Trumpets of Time" - were the ones where he played it straight, and I'd love to hear more in that vein.
John Maus rules.
― (Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 04:00 (fifteen years ago) link
That new "Can't Here My Eyes" is quite good, very straight and sober pop. Someone mentioned Fleetwood Mac upthread, it's pretty apt.
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Monday, 22 December 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://kimag.es/share/14770623.jpg
― winston, Monday, 27 April 2009 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link
if that is a press photo, I consider it awesome
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 April 2009 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf that p4k review
― baaderonixx, Monday, 4 May 2009 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah I don't get that review, at all.
― Krapp's lesser-known First Tape (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
And I'm trying to explain why, but I keep ending up baffled.
― Krapp's lesser-known First Tape (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Whoah... if the great Can't Hear My Eyes and the new single Flashback are any indication, the new album of Ariel Pink will be the best album in the history of music. Ever.
Flashback, on the 'Reminiscenses' (tour) EP, is fan-tas-tic. It starts out a cappela, and when the guitars (with crazy solo's) kick in, Ariel sings and scream and the song is a an 80s rocker. It's not hard to imagine this in an 80s episode of Miami Vice, during the part when Crocket & Tubbs are after the bad guys, when the race is on. Or something. The production is very clear (the sound equals that of 'Can't Hear My Eyes'). Then, at 3/4th there's a huge guitarsolo and the song ends with a euphoric crossing of hair metal and a jam out, it goes quiet for half a second and then FLASHBACK! It gets another round. So fucking great!Rama Ya is a singalong punkrocker, and the title song is a gorgeous wobbly synthy instrumental. Pick this up on his tour or order it rom his website!
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Is it only available on vinyl? I have had "Flashback" stuck in my head after hearing it only once!
― Metro Video Centers, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
But The Doldrums is already the best album in the history of music. Ever. I prefer my Ariel Pink murky.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I know Kevin, I prefer my Ariel murky as well, but have have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? And this new one? They both can be the best album in the world! Ever.
@Metro, yeah it's a 7" ltd. to 1000. Mine came with the tour goody bag. But, y'know, there's always mp3's and stuff floating around.
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/episode/1966-ariel-pink
^ Flashback
― Enemy Insects (NickB), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks NickB!! They're cool as cats man.
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 11:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I know Kevin, I prefer my Ariel murky as well, but have have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? And this new one?
The latter only. I like it. But for me, the murk places a burden on his music that makes it ache more. See also other best album in the world ever candidate Belong: Colorloss Record.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I will try that album, haven't hear it!
And I totally know where you're coming from. I'm madly in love with the aesthetic of 'The Doldrums', it indeed aches and feels weird and unbalanced in a glorious way, golden harmonies from outer space.Lately he's polishing his sound, it seems. I was at first a tad dissapointed (read earlier on in this thread), but have grown very fond of 'Can't Hear My Eyes' especially. But yes, he'll probably never top The Doldrums. I'm just mad excited 's all :)
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I prefer the one that has Jools lost his jewels since that's the first one I ever heard
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah me too. the opener, 'Trepanated Earth', is breezy, massive and totally desperate at the same time. For such a 70's "golden harmonies" type of songwriter he often comes up with the type of minor-key bleakness that could nicely fit on a Cure album.
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
was kinda let down by "can't hear my eyes" because while it was produced more 'cleanly', it wasn't really produced well. kinda like if you took out the reverb and blew the dust off those gas records. or watching ugly people on big screen hi-def
― guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
NickB, I kiss you! I can't believe that I simply missed that Belong EP. It is brilliant! Ariel Pink on downers, golden harmony onder a thick clutter of ambient noise. I like it very, very much indeed. Is their album equally good?
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
listening to worn copy tonight...man I fuckin love this record so much.
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
really want to see him live again. such a happy time. still don't know anyone these days who writes pop songs as good as him (but i'm way out of the loop.) if there was an albums poll, i wouldn't know what to pick; the first four that were (re)released are all 10/10 outstanding.
― winston, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link
what a beautiful mess his live shows are!
― henry s, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
worn copy better all-around than the doldrums but the first 1/2 of the doldrums is eye-poppingly great
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I am happy with either "Bobby Pyn" or "Trepanated Earth" being considered his magnum opus...I also think House Arrest should have both those albums worriedly twisting their hair...
― henry s, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Artist of the decade. Seriously.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I think maybe I agree!
― bad-boy (sic) cartographer (actually a girl) (called) (not named) (Abbott), Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link
"Young Pilot Astray" from The Doldrums is a mixtape staple and one of my favorite tracks of the decade. Haven't heard enough of his other releases to have an overall opinion, but "YPA" (and "For Kate I Wait") are perfect in every detail.
― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
remember when ilm was super skeptical about this?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
guy
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
like this guy a lot, but flying circles is one of my top 5 songs of all time so it tends to dwarf the other stuff for me
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't remember those times Plaxico (I wasn't around back then, surely is the reason)... Was ILM foul mouthing Ariel Pink?
Picked up the My Molly' 7" the other day on eBay. The man simply is incapable of dissapointing!
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link
whoever OTM up there w/r/t Worn Copy >> Doldrums. Not always in the mood for this guy, but when I am I'm always amazed at how he can come up with an otherwordly bridge or coda out of nowhere.
― Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah back in 2005, everyone was like "Fucking trustafarian tosser bangin on about Nazis, been given all this reording equipment to play with by his parents, should go out and get a proper job..." etc. I never had a problem with it though and I'm glad people are giving Worn Copy some biggups as it was always my favourite.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 08:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it helps that he really seems like a genuine weirdo, moreso than someone with stevie-moore-fetishist acid fried schtick.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
he's kind of a dick.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link
How so?
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link
he's seven inches long and spurts piss and jizz.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I met him at a bar and he was very dickish. in his defense i guess it was like 3 in the morning and he had played a show that night, but when people are friendly to you you shouldn't be a dick to them.still love his music though. I think House Arrest is my favorite. There are some killer tracks on that holy shit album, too.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah he was selling merch after his London show and he seemed a bit miserable...like buy you're stuff and fuck off...do think he is a talent tho
― sonnyboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:59 (fourteen years ago) link
isn't the dude's sister in a vegetative state, or something?...cut him some slack, he's probably got all sorts of issues...
― henry s, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link
The ethio jam on one of the newish 7 inches is great.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:34 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah from what I hear from my LA scenesters friends, dude's got some pretty serious issues. Anyway, the guy might be a fucked-up asshole, but his stuff never comes across as douchey or ironic, and way more emotionally engaging than any lo-fi hipster darling.
― Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link
No, I totally agree on that front.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
haha dude even the stuff from like 5 years ago upthread is largely positive!
also lover boy's finally out on vinyl, which is great, because it has some of his best stuff imo ("don't talk to strangers," "so glad," "let's get married," "i don't need enemies," although i wish it woulda included "new trumpets of time" because that shit is a jam and a half too).
― pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
this guy is awesome
― Dr. Morbius or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Ban (Tape Store), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2009/07/debut-lp-by-ariel-pink-and-vdos-new.html
Anyone know the deal with this new project? This thing Ariel is doing with the Mutant Sounds dude? Sounds interesting...
― SourPatchCorpse, Monday, 3 August 2009 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
his Invisible Jukebox in the new Wire is pretty hilarious.
― beta blog, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i've stanned for Ariel since The Doldrums, and will continue to stan for him afterwards. he does have issues, but he's also *painfully* quiet and shy, and it isn't an affect. he was very kind to me the last time i hung with him, but then again, me and my friends were all coming down from ecstasy whilst petting him and smoking pot.
my faves:"Gettin High in the Morning" <----because really, he gets the feeling down."Artifact""The Drummer""Alisa""Somewhere in Europe/Hot Pink!""Oblivious Peninsula"
also, the Gettin High in the Morning--->Helen--->Every Night I Die at Miyagi's--->House Arrest---> Alisa----> The People I'm Not section of "House Arrest" might be the best shit ever. never fails.
― nice! he have the balls to say the truth! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDXZQyS0i0
― spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Thursday, 10 September 2009 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link
<3 <3 <3
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 10 September 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
wow"Los Angeles’ notorious lo-fi pop oufit Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti have been unveiled as the latest signings to 4AD. The group are currently recording their first record for the label, due spring 2010."
― mizzell, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
o_O
Ariel and 4AD... that's such an insane combination it can only work out brilliantly.
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 26 November 2009 11:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Seems like a great fit, though 4AD certainly isn't the label it used to be, after the Beggars Banquet merger.
― henry s, Thursday, 26 November 2009 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link
OMG I LOVE THIS NEW SONG
http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/2010/03/mp3-new-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti.html
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Would I like Ariel Pink?
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
good song, but i am almost tempted to run it through some VST effects to simulate the dirty cassette tape sound of the older stuff.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I am loving the clean sound tbh
― Trip Maker, Friday, 12 March 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't blame the dude for moving on from the lo-fi. The new production is pristine. But for me, that dense layer of reel-to-reel-track-bouncing in a wood-paneled basement studio, and his sometimes off-key caterwauling, sort of made it possible to listen to what otherwise is 80s style smooth rock. I know that there's a lot more going on here in terms of weird FX and drones drifting in an out of the foreground, but I'm not sure I could listen to a whole album of this, unless there are some pretty weird excursions. Guy does have a great ear for melody, though. Song is one of his catchiest.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
that's cool, 80s style smooth rock is like my favorite tho.
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
just out of curiosity, are you old enough to remember that kind of stuff being on the radio at, like, department stores?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I hope that doesn't sound ageist or anything - I just wonder if my own distaste for 80s smooth rock is because I had to suffer through it (it seemed to soundtrack particularly miserable times such as being stuck in TJ Maxx type stores, or dentist offices, as a kid), as opposed to looking back on it as an artifact. All the wobbly tape phasing and artificial aging of his earlier stuff allowed me to think of it as an artifact more than something I grew up with. if that makes sense.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
nah, you're right. i was born in 85, but grooving to some hall & oates in tj maxx sounds like my kind of party.
― akaky akakievich, Friday, 12 March 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Cover is pretty funnyhttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2754/4425828992_705c6161e1_o.jpg
― Trip Maker, Friday, 12 March 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
there was a lot more to his better stuff than lofi fm pop schtick, i don't know how you'd see 'trepanated earth' in those terms
this new thing is not so good
― nakhchivan, Friday, 12 March 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
what's I've heard of where he's going I like, but my fondness for his whole deal - his melodies, the conversational phrasing of his weird lyrics, the whole vibe - is high
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Friday, 12 March 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Fuck Hall & Oates. Ariel Pink is 1000x better.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 12 March 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Ariel Pink needs to invest in a rhodes piano and a sax player for his new band.
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Nevermind, there's the rhodes piano sound. 1-2 minute dreamy sax solo (or two!!) and now we're talkin.
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't know if I posted this anywhere else around here, but the one time I saw him live was pretty hilarious. He stood on the stage for like five minutes, pointed at everyone, screamed XANAX and then just ran outside. His band just kind of stood there dumbfounded and then one of the dudes was like "...alright" and they all busted into this really tight return to forever-like jazz fusion track. I was pretty drunk and went outside at some point and he was all hunched up against a dumpster in an alleyway looking like that lord of the rings guy. I walked up to him and went "I...uh...your music is pretty good." He kind of blinked and I left.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 12 March 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Sneak preview of Ariel Pink's new single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFH5pN9MEok
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 March 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
nah, "baker st." iirc
― guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
liking the new song but I agree that there's more to the guy than underproduced breezy AM rock. Trepanated Earth is a good example of the haunting side a lot of his songs somehow carry
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I like this song a lot!
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ Spectrum
are u who I think u are btw
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ok i'm on board with this new stuff
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Saturday, 13 March 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes guy has chops that transcend fidelity.
― Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 13 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Round and Round is so swank. loving this shit
― dmr, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
first jam of summer. well, it's sunny today, anyhow.
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I tend not to dig Ariel Pink when he comes out from under those layers of crud. But this, this is pretty stunning. And it's far from 1980s soft rock soi-même; it's a pretty demented take on said genre. Which doesn't mean it wouldn't be great to hear him have a "Chasing Cars"-sized hit with it. Good show!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I was around for 80s style smooth rock, didn't like it then, love it now
― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Let's hear it for the boy.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
hey, seany here. as every1 knowz, im such a fucking fan of the a pink h graffitti , i mean we're talking fuckn 'doldrmz is like the best album ever' smashn ur gf to 'kate i wait' but then taking acid and telling alan palomo to get tacos with you. you blast 'strange fires' and he just goes 'god damn' im like yeah- make an album dude. then you get to the taco place and hes like. dude. have no money right now. but you cover him cuz at the time ur working at a dry cleaners. and you just livn in a haze like his chosen aesthetic until u know.. he learns how to craft into marketability.
just saying... this song fucking is like turning on the radio and like ur friend jumps in ur car, as u drive off the wind blows through your hair and your just like 'man we own these streets' and then you wreck and glass goes through both of your 'beaner hair' and while blood is gushing out, yo ushit yourself. then wake up. and realize you dont have a job anymore
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^knob
― Michael B, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
That sounds like shock to me, if you get in a wreck and blood is gushing from your "beaner hair" and you're thinking about employment. That's like riding your bike into a concrete electric pole and getting up and looking around for the crumpled napkin you were going to throw out.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
diggin' the fuck outta thisreelect smooth music in '10
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
really liking this but I don't really find it that different from his old stuff
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
When the shit does this new record drop? What is it called?
― Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 28 March 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a mystery!
― akaky akakievich, Sunday, 28 March 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm the pitchdorks list "before today" as coming out 6/8 on 4AD in their guide to upcoming releases today.....
can't find info about that elsewhere though.
― akaky akakievich, Thursday, 1 April 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Ariel! Oh, Ariel!
― Spinspin Sugah, Thursday, 1 April 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/beforetoda452.jpg
Chillwave forefather Ariel Pink and his band Haunted Graffiti are ready to release their first album for 4AD, dubbed Before Today and due out June 8 on CD, LP, and MP3. According to a press release, some of the 12-track album was recorded in Tito Jackson's former home studio with Quincy Jones' grandson Sunny Levine and Rik Pekkonen, whose past credits include Iggy Pop, Brian Wilson, and Ricky Martin (!).
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"first album"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"chillwave forefather"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
uh first album for 4AD
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
that album cover is somewhere between o_O and ^_^
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
rather look at that cover than the one of a guy frenching a dog tbh
pretty psyched for this album
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, I had completely forgotten that this used to have a different cover -- I was just commenting because the new one struck me as so... strange. it's like a pastiche of something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that was just the cover of the single (the one with the dog)
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like a pastiche of something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed.
Haha yeah totally, I'm mentally flipping through "iconinc" 70s classic rock covers to find the original.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i think "a pastiche of something that never actually existed" might be an interesting way to describe ariel...
i dig the leather pants. definitely gonna be an L.A. album...
― akaky akakievich, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
xp tho what's with the glowing white witch?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx)
smh
― ksh, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
He sort of is though?
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I get the meaning but its just pretty wtf to see this so-called genre already referencing its forefathers. Guess I'm just old.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
The new album is really good.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
man, i played a show with this dude like five years ago. i kinda liked the record, but his live show was alot of him slapping his ass yelling "pee pee doo doo."
If you would have pulled me aside and said, "In 2010, all indie rock will sound like this," I would have stared a dagger into your soul.
― swag surfer blood (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hope his full time band means the live show has improved (just bought tickets for the mercury lounge show).
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
actually last time i saw him, on the tour with cass mccombs, he was pretty good.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw him at SXSW in 2005 (I think) and the show was transcendent. His show next year at SXSW was awful (embarrassingly so since I dragged a few people to witness the glory). And so it goes...
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Youtube evidence would lead one to believe that the band is pretty tight imo.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
saw him with I guess the new band in Dublin last year, tight as fuck (apart from AP himself who was shambolic in a v charismatic way - apparently his rider called for an enormous quantity of weed, most/all of which was consumed pre-show).
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― swag surfer blood (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:18 PM
does all indie rock sound like this in 2010?
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah this is funny! Forefather meaning someone around 5-6 years ago...
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
he was good at Music Hall of Wburg last year, I was skeptical going in cuz his live reviews are pretty mixed but it was a tight show
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Saw him in Miami and his band was really tight, as some people have indicated above, but they were also boring, and they concluded the show with the worst freak-out jam of all time. Ariel was really high, trying to compete with Ida No, who fell off stage into the bar.
Sound check was three hours and doors opened really late. You couldn't tell at all that they'd put so much work into it, and the bass hurt all the audience's ears.
I'd rather have seen him with a guitar and keyboard and sampler and CDr set up, going solo like in those early shows which have been described as terrible. Ariel's drummer carried a lot of the weight, and his voice seemed to be higher in the mix than Ariel's. Ariel looked really old and a bit like the troll under the bridge from "Three Billy Goats Gruff."
I liked the CDs, especially the pop stuff, despite the occasionally plagiarized tune, but that show put me off for years. To the present, really.
That single up above sort of reminds me of when Beck decided he was a real singer and had to sing pretty, and started putting out (even more) boring records The production and voice clash. Also, the production haze of the earlier recordings is like a trick to get around how harsh hi-fi recordings often sound. Only in theory do I like the AM smooth pop aesthetic.
What did I just do. Post stuff. Give opinions.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
He was AWFUL at Primavera last year...still, pumped for the new record, 'Round and Round' sounds wick.
― Dwight Yorke, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
three hour soundcheck?
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes. We put the chess board away, but could've played two more games. I was pissed!
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that the sound guy and opening bands couldn't have been blamed. And the management.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
disappointed to find out he's a stoner. weed is boring. was hoping he was either a pillhead or totally clean and just naturally mental.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
WEED is AWESOME-
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The cover kinda reminds me of Lou Reed's 'Take No Prisoners' album...kinda like it...
― sonnyboy, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
disappointed to find out he's a stoner. weed is boring. was hoping he was either a pillhead...
wow
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"Gettin' high in the morning" iirc
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
<img src>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8mY/SFm0KyVUivI/AAAAAAAAJqk/O23jZ-92Fus/s400/killing+joke</img>
― uptown churl, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
damn sorry for the wack html
Wait, how is it a surprise that he's a stoner?
― how is abbott formed (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
he was terrific and totally pro when i saw him 3 years ago (with band). new single sounds ok. i agree w/bamquern re: the vocals. same situation with that recent-ish (?) glass candy single where ida no's vox are devoid of much reverbhaze and just don't mesh. weed is awesome, btw.
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
add lucifer's friend s/t to the stack of "waht does this cover look like"
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought of Ramones meets Ziggy Stardust covers
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
this is some of the weirdest I-demand-a-certain-image-from-the-artist stuff I have ever run across
― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xposts didn't mean to out him as a stoner (if indeed i did), thought it was well-known/obvious tbh...
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
wow - he's the first person ive ever heard of who smokes weed!
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
everyone in california smokes the doobage. even your mom.
― Spinspin Sugah, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I really wasn't serious, no do U care what drugs the dude does tbh. I'm just saying Miley Cyrus is probably a pothead. It's so normal these days that to hear stories about how he smoked a dump truck full of weed before a show is just kind of... mundane. I demand juicier drug details from my weirdo artists!!
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf? that should be *nor do I care*
no do U care
lol u were high as a motherfucker when you wrote that
― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm getting a sort of cross between Ziggy Stardust and What's THIS For by Killing Joke...
― Gavin in Leeds, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
xpostsit was a pretty mundane story, sorry! :) anyway it was a superb gig, his band were seriously chops-tastic, and the new song is grrreat. love that moment about two minutes in when the multilayered voices singing "Hold on!" break thru the haze. to paraphrase what someone said upthread about the album cover, it makes me feel nostalgic for something that I can't quite place, and that may not have ever actually existed. excited about the new album.
― p-dog, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Cover reminded me of Desmond Child and Rouge
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vINIsD7pL.jpg
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh sorry so huge
oh man. wkiw ^ xp
― hobbes, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i hear AP is crazed w c0c@1n3 but more broadly i dont care
― 69, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
cocaine? pfft, nowadays i don't listen to anyone on anything less potent than dmt
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
just echoing the love for round and round
never really dug this dude before but this joint is ill
― max, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
wkiw = ?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
that song sounds like Washed Out(and i like it)
― Zeno, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
would kick it with
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ah thanx
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:26 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
have you heard Can't Hear My Eyes? u gotta
― dmr, Thursday, 8 April 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
leaked, btw.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, and the album is aswesome.the production of it is the best thing i've heard in awhile, which i guess is even a bigger achievement for him as a lo-fi artist (till now).as for the tunes: a little more accessible, but the weird-psych is still going on with full power for most of it, and thank god for that.
every song sounds a somewhat different, though they all share the same vibe as a whole:animal collective, mercury rev (little wig), stereolab (bright lit), air, fleetwood mac/chicago (can't hear my eyes). actually 70's softrock all over the place.gotta love it.
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Hoping we get at least one Aeroplane remix of a track from this album.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
well this album pretty much owns
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link
excited!!
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
what is a butt-house blondie?
― mizzell, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the last track on this is pretty ace.. it's like a weirdo kraut wire tune
― Tom doesn't sleep.. Tom Waits. (Future_Perfect), Thursday, 8 April 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a zip on 4chan but i that sounds like a bad idea....
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
This might be the best thing he has done. Either that, or I'm getting carried away. Time will tell.
― SourPatchCorpse, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
This one is going definitely going to net him a new audience. The production is excellent, shimmering and hazy, and shows he can work just as well within a more "produced" setting. Late 70's Fleetwood Mac aesthetic is definitely in place, plenty of weirdo lounge-pop; this has "LA Record" written all over it.
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
what are the lyrics of the chorus of "round and round"?
today i've been singing "i'm goin baaaaaack/ goin baaaaaack/ to the maaaaaaaaall"
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
now is the time alloted for ariel pink, huh. is this just 4ad publicity? or ppl hate lofi more than i thought. not sure what else helps an act like this move up a division as it looks like is going on.
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ariel pink is da best at basslines
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
s this just 4ad publicity?
partly, sure
or ppl hate lofi more than i thought.
hifi music is generally more accessible
not sure what else helps an act like this move up a division as it looks like is going on.
writing a single as good as "round and round"
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
xp OTM "alisa" por ejemplo
― 69, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
people like to think they're watching artists grow up and mature and grow, and this all fits into his whole narrative about shedding the bullshit and giving you the real, raw deal ariel pink.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
chorus of the year so far imo
the raw pink
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
can't wait to see this dude live
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
@ the hollywood bowl
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ogmor: i'm listening to this album pretty loud in my living room atm and my stepfather just asked what artist this is, and said he was groovin to it and would check him out. he's not a total grump but i'm pretty sure if it were any other ariel pink album he would have just told me to turn it down or off entirely.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
this album will fill the niche this year that the girls album did last year
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Except I won't find it lacking.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
unsure how much ilm head-types differ from the dads of the world in lofi tolerance. I spose 4ad is the biggest factor; pretty sure plenty of ppl digging this wld have no clue if he'd recorded anything this good before, quality is necessary, not sufficient.
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been in and out of familiarity with Ariel Pink since the first stuff started coming out (way-too-hip weirdo music friends), and there's definitely been a shift to a more accessible songwriting style in that time. The lofi to hifi shift doesn't hurt things, but I don't think it really explains the sudden greater interest in the way the better/different songwriting style does. I mean, people went nuts over Times New Viking for a hot minute and they record things over a phone on an answering machine.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the songwriting seems more key, its more poised & elegant and less crazed rs moore, amateur fan in the bathroom. maybe I wish the relationship between those two sounds was more up for grabs for more ppl, but I am a guy that just wants to see more love from ppl all the time anyway
― ogmor, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
almost every song sounds like a direct pastiche for another band/song.
but it's a professional theft.
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Album sounds good on one listen but nothing sounds as great as "Round and Round"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Round and Round is the sort of a song i usually likes at first, but after awhile neglect it in favour of the more sophisticated,less immediate stuff, that lingers longer
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm having trouble figuring out why all of Ariel's previous albums were largely ignored and yet the leak of this one is an internet-wide musical/cultural event.
― skip, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
cause of THE PRODUCTION
and the single i guess
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm having trouble figuring out why you've apparently chosen not to read any of this thread
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
in terms of songwriting - it's still kinda "difficult"xpost
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also apparently he is influential now iirc
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ive listened to this on repeat all day and agree with zeno. even though "round and round" is more immediate, the other songs virtues are starting to really shine through. its def a grower and conducive to close listening. from what i can tell this album is going to please many different types of people. also the varied comment upthread is otm, but its still cohesive soundwise.
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
also lol at "beverly kills" sounding like a boogie/freestyle track and a stereolab b-side
― oscar, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like a trivia game: guess the origin of the song.for example:
Little Wig = mercury rev's Syringe Mouth
― Zeno, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I listened to this while working, so I wasn't entirely focused on it, but what hit me a few times while listening to this was a sort of deja vu feeling of listening to side 2 of the Cure's
Standing on a Beach/Staring at the Sea
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ formatting, those were supposed to be italics
haha - haven't heard the new one, but I always felt that there was a distinctive Cure thing all over his music. SoaB b-side is a good reference point, with that similar murky, underwater bass sound that permeates some of these songs
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone point me to some places where this is an "internet-wide cultural event"? what internet are you on?
this is a serious question
― Kyrgyham (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
new single posted on tons of blogs, reported on pitchfork, etc. It's not different from the media buzz around your average indie p4k band but I don't recall any of that for past Ariel Pink releases.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=%22ariel+pink%22&graph=weekly_img&sa=N
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
my theory is that since dude released like a zillion albums from '04-'07 before going quiet for a couple years, he's getting a lot of "oh hey, ariel pink, I remember sorta-liking what I heard of that guy -- wonder what he's up to now?" general-interest clicks
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Loving this. I think I like it even more since I'm already familiar with about half the songs.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(said clicks, of course, tending to alight upon his super-catchy, accessible, and just generally great new single, then proceed to show their approval through a series of retweets and complex interpersonal dance steps, and next thing you know dude's getting a thousand hugs from ten thousand lightning blogs)
xp
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xoxoxo
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Friday, April 9, 2010 9:46 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
he hasn't released anything on a label with any kind of presence since 2006, right? quite possibly the internet has changed a lot since then.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Thus the 'forefather' status.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
He's been putting out some great singles on his own, which all turn up on Day Before. And there was the reissue of Loverboy on 2lp.And there was a digital collection called Grandes Exitos that had an early version of Revolution's a Lie called Evolution's a Lie.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp yeah I guess most people got into this guy during these last 4 years and this is simply his first release since most people took notice of him.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I know it's probably a bad idea invoking Animal Collective on here but i think the situation with this album is not dissimilar to what happened with Merriweather Post Pavillion, it's being touted as his "pop" album, more accessible production etc. It's not hard to see why people are more interested in this than his previous stuff (which i love).
― Number None, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the HRO factor?
Damn this album is awesome! Gonna be some good jams for summer 2010 dance parties!
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Fright Train is addictive.
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Fright Night i mean
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
finally figured out what he's saying in Round & Round after about the 100th listen: AND WE'LL DAZZLE THEM ALL
not "and we'll dance at the mall"
(although I'm still hazy on the line before that ... "calling back to the boat?" "coming back to the Bowl," like the Hollywood Bowl?)
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sounds like boat to me.i was reading a book to the melody of the chorus yesterday.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The big difference with Animal Collective is that all of AC's albums were critically acclaimed during the buildup toward a more slickly produced "pop" hit. By contrast, Pitchfork gave Grandes Exitos a 7.0, House Arrest a 6.2, Scared Famous a 6.1, and Worn Copy a 5.9, and many other outlets didn't even bother to review Ariel's albums. The new record is not better than House Arrest yet it's going to get slobbered over by everybody. I haven't read any good reasons why it's as good as HA, let alone significantly more accomplished, or repudiations of previous negative writeups, but it's early. We'll see what the reviews say.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
HA is rad.
― bamcquern, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotta agree. I hate to sound like an elitist old guard fan or anything, but I'm not hearing what makes this better than his other albums. The Doldrums, Worn Copy and House Arrest all sound much more interesting to me. I like the singles and a couple tracks like "Fright Night" and "Beverly Kills," but I'm painfully disappointed overall. It just doesn't seem like that big of a step toward anything to me.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i would agree that outside of round and round, most of these songs are not above and beyond what he has done in the past.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
And I would argue that they're still on par with what he's done in the past, which means they're fantastic.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i agree
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the songwriting is more or less the same,yes - but thats good.whay change something that worked so well in the past?the differene lies in the production and the label.
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
The main issue here is production, its crisp, engaging and evocative, and more obviously, it functions; and quite well might I add. Many of the "elitist old guard" thought his work would be diminished by better production but this album proves the cynics wrong. As far as it being better or worse than HA is debatable but not really the point. It's a logical continuation of his earlier work and if one takes Ariel's word at face value in his interviews (he has repeatedly said his lo-fi approach was not one bourne of aesthetics but one of exigency) he would have made this record a long time ago.
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree that "Round and Round" is kind of transcendent, which was not my original opinion, and perhaps the rest of the album will reveal its genius to me over time in a similar fashion. But that's not the kind of thing you can figure out on a snap judgment and it makes the frenzied ululating all the more ridiculous.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Round and Round is wicked - love that chorus. Very curious to investigate this guy. I doubt I'm the only one in this camp.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Listen to The Doldrums. I believe it's one of the very best albums of the 2000s.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
this is such an LA album. he should cover this...fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjO4vA_MxoU
― Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
And don't let the lo fi business keep you from enjoying the music. I think if you listen to any of his albums more than once, it'll be a distant thought.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that's the other thing: all his albums sound like LA albums to me. he is a very LA artist.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the lofi-ness is what got me to pay attention in the first place.
― Spinspin Sugah, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
specifically, "Credit".
"he is a very LA artist"
why?
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost teflon - yes shamelessly downloading now. I also listened to some of House Arrest on Spotify and it didn't disappoint. My favourite artist of the 00s (Max Tundra) had Worn Copy as his favourite of the 00s. Oh my here we go.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
it's mainly the mix of bright sounds with foggy (or smoggy) production. he gives off a very hollywood blvd scuzzy vibe, just reminds me of driving past run-down buildings in a cheap convertible.
― mizzell, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^Yes, compare the mellow, soft-focus glide of Round and Round to 'Warm Ways' by Fleetwood Mac, maybe the ultimate cali-pop band.
― Davek (davek_00), Friday, 9 April 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I want a girl that's beautiful like a sunset...on a strip
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
y'know it makes me ... tickcause I see you (see u) in a special way
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That song rules. It's like the Village Green Kinks wrote a synthpop soundtrack to an 80s infomercial.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
does the chorus of Round and Round creep anyone else out (in a good way)? I can't put my finger on it, but something about it strikes me as eerie. kind of surprised to see people saying that song is good vibes... to me it sounds like it is intentionally trying to channel those sort of crazy burnt-out 60s/70s phony good vibes, like Manson or Wilson trying to do happy pastoral. maybe I'm just reading too much into the whole persona that has been built up around him, or too much into the awesomely spooky production on this album.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 9 April 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Go back through his albums, richie. That's an effect he puts to good use frequently. He does this weird high pitched funny voice a whole lot.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LO9A4WR9A
round & round chorus sounds totally prom to me
― J0rdan S., Friday, 9 April 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost i can definitely see where you're coming from, it strikes me as sort of creepy and sad. its heightened by the fact that the lyrics (from what I can make out) don't seem to refer to much of anything outside of the song itself, yet the songwriting still works on the listener, making you feel the good vibes despite the negativity humming in the background of the song.
this is the first song i've heard by ariel pink that i've really gotten into, but from what i've heard (and seen) of him, i'm not surprised to be getting this vibe. i think its more effective for me in this song, though, because the production is cleaner and the good-pop feelings more pronounced.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 9 April 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
How can you listen to Among Dreams and not here he already had it a few years back?
Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433lmLPr6Yw
Dude's just a talent.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9yvRU8WMZY
I love that there's renewed interest.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Critics just seem naturally conservative and backward thinking to me. Back in the early 2000s when people were trumpeting Ariel Pink as an innovative artist, Pitchfork and others were totally trashing and ridiculing his work. Now all of a sudden ... it's great! ... now that lots of people are starting to appreciate him, and "the times" are safely within his style and perspective.
What do you do about that outside of feeling good you were there first?
― Spectrum, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
write about what you like in a way that makes other people wanna hear it?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 9 April 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I've got this on now, I've been listening obsessively to his back catalogue over the last month so the timing of this is great. It may be more polished but it's as stylistically scattershot and hook-filled as his other albums so, yeah, I'm happy. The whole 'Godfather of Chillwave' thing is news to me, I have to say.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Ariel addresses the point about P-Fork giving him initial bad reviews due simply to the fact that they didn't unveil him to the world. All the other smaller online pubs followed suit( as they usually do) with "this guy's schtick, its trying-too hard to be weird, we don't like it",. Basically alot of critics didn't know what to make of him. He was given a very positive review via Rolling Stone and P-Fork snarkily felt that if a big middle brow pub liked this Ariel Pink dude, well we obviously don't because we are the indie-elite and know better that this guy really just sucks. To what extent all this is true, is anyone's guess, but thats how Ariel puts it in a nutshell.
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ariel pink otm
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of surprised to see people saying that song is good vibes
Round and Round IS good vibes
dudes trying to turn this into Pitchfork thread #457647981398645 is bad vibes
― dmr, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
HOLD ON I'm callin, callin BAAAACK has been stuck in my head all day.
IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production. More than a couple of these would be better lo-fi because you expend effort trying to pick out and hear the hooks, leaving less room for analyzing how good the hook itself is. More transparency isn't good when a passage is too simple or on the weak side compositionally. But maybe that's just me.
― skip, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"Think autistic kids covering Brian Wilson or Tom Waits singing a nursery rhyme or Shakespeare eating shit in an alley or Jesus giving birth to a pack of bear cubs."
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Gah, can't work out which early-'80s british pop singer the vocals on 'Bright Lit Blue Skies' remind me of... I'm thinking Nick Heyward but I'm sure there's someone else.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
^current favorite track cuz it's GORGEOUS in Missouri today.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production. More than a couple of these would be better lo-fi because you expend effort trying to pick out and hear the hooks, leaving less room for analyzing how good the hook itself is. More transparency isn't good when a passage is too simple or on the weak side compositionally. But maybe that's just me."
I think "Butt House Blondies" and "Little Wig" are the glaring weak tracks on the album, and they both suffer from lack of hooks. But others like 'em, so maybe the hooks just aren't for me.
― teflon monkey, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
IMO R&R is the only track that really gains from the hi-fi production
The production may be more hi-fi than his other albums, but it still sounds like it's stuck in some strange time warp. It's better fidelity but the tones of all the instruments, the synths, and the vocals are all very much in the same spirit as his old recordings.
Also I really like the new version of Beverly Kills.
― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Pete Wylie?
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Friday, 9 April 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
agree about "butt house blondies", its the weakest link. is anyone hearing grunge in that riff ?
― oscar, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm hearing some butthole surfers there
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
to me it sounds like what someone who didn't go to prom would want it to sound like as an adult looking back
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 9 April 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I can sort of hear it but that's not who I was thinking... Eh, It'll hit me eventually.
― Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
you know its weird that in the this huge thread there's just one Todd Rundgren mention. because thats always the big thing that pops out for me. worn copy, which i love by the way, sounds to me basically like a re-do of A Wizard, A True Star.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought of Rundgren too! just didnt mention it..
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i agree with the LA thing; there's a creepy steely dan thing going on, some fleetwood mac bits, but far more Rundgren. but saying that i haven't heard the new one so things may have changed.
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
it's still Rundgren (wizard), even more than before
― Zeno, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Savagely disappointed that he wasn't in fact singing 'and we'll dance to Limahl'
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Friday, 9 April 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― sonnyboy, Monday, December 8, 2008 9:45 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like not blowing my own Trumbone but for me it's been Rundgren all along and who should of produced the album...on first impressions slightly dissapointing...hasn't got that weird/hooky thing going on...not sure having a band has really helped things and not sure I'm gonna be able to convert the Catholics who don't get it but it's early days...certainly nothing approaching a 'Trepanated Earth' or 'For Kate I Wait' on there...
― sonnyboy, Saturday, 10 April 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
with all the cure talk, surprised no one has remarked some of the similarities b/t fright night and a forest
― anza, Saturday, 10 April 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― Mark, Saturday, 10 April 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The chorus of "Round and Round" sounds like "#9 Dream" by John Lennon to me.
― Maltodextrin, Saturday, 10 April 2010 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Listened to it five times yesterday. Prettay, pretttay great isn't it.
― Dwight Yorke, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"Sentimental, heartbreaking, everything is my fault"
Is this quoting a song? I swear it's quoting something but a lyrics search hasn't turned up anything.
― Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 10 April 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sorry to revive this thread for no good reason beside saying again how great this record is - and it's getting even better as time goes by.
the sort of record i'm pretty sure i'll also get back to in the future
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
otm, this record sounds like it's been melted.
it's not the lyric but the melody that's quoted, i believe, came on here to see if anyone could figure it out
― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
god round and round is so awesome
― Davek (davek_00), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
beverly kills is my current favorite.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Fright Night is my jam.
― teflon monkey, Thursday, 15 April 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
right now it's like this:
Fright Night+Round And Round+Menopause Man = great
Bright Light+L'estat = very good
Beverly Kills+Revolution's+Can't Hear My Eyes+Butt-House = good
Instrumental Tracks = ok
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and Little Wig - very good
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Bass playing on Reminiscences is unreal.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 15 April 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Beverly Kills chorus sounds like the chorus to Ago's "For You."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV9k--wqeOg
― Brooker T Buckingham, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Bass playing throughout is pretty awesome.
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
no doubt
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The sound of the album as a whole is something to cherish - very special,and done to perfection
― Zeno, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
WOAH
"the bottom line is this: ariel pink sucks. DEAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiLqAu4s-_s
ariel has no talent, no emotions, he's just a carcass.he is not even human, he's anti-human as far as i am concerned.doesnt know how to write a song,ariel couldnt write a song if his life depended on it.he is just some hipster dude that does too much meth ( which confirms why he sucks ) .
i mean if you do meth and you are from la and pitchfork hates you must suck, right ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB65ENKm4AM
i mean listen to that song. its gay. all he does is talk about this chick called kate that he used to be in love with.love, and chicks ?what a douche. love and all that crap, fuck ariel pink.
what ?! your phazey guitar and avant vocals do nothing for me ariel. you are a sham and u must realize that factDEAL.FUCKER.stop trying to use arthur lee/brian wilson melodies to entice me to buy your records bitch.you are so clueless.and stop talking about this ho called helen,we dont care !first you were all about kate, now helen !make up your mind ! you are such an incorrigibe whiny ass..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MqXPYE2P4
oh now, you are all about being smooth ariel, arent you ?i kind of respected you when you were just making shitty songs about helen and kate with your gay ass 4 track but now that you are working with michael jacksons old producer, your dick feels bigger, doesnt it ?guess what ? u still SUCK
sure, your new track is OK, it kind of feels like a song i should have heard at prom but i didnt.either way, you are a bitch. you know why ? because now people who never liked you before are going to talk about you all day and that shit gets mad annoying yo. plus, you arent even that great, you are just an internet meme that lazy critics with no SOUL, no HEART, no LIFE will jump on, because thats all they have left. the dregs of an alienated, existentially vacant cadaver."
― oscar, Sunday, 18 April 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think he actually post here so do you like, want me to give him the message or what?
― dynamicinterface, Sunday, 18 April 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it has quote marks, so I'm guessing whoever wrote it won't get your message either. i lol'd at the rant though.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 18 April 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe oscar can get a job blogging for the altreport.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 18 April 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:26 PM (2 weeks ago)
^^
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
did you know that Bright Lit Blue Skies is a cover? :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLYq0tHAPk
― Zeno, Sunday, 25 April 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I did not know that.
― Trip Maker, Sunday, 25 April 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone else thinks he is influenced by Alan Parsons Project? Was listening to 'eye in the sky' the other day on the supermarket and thought it sounded incredibly similar to Ariel Pink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMAGwMAXTpU
― Moka, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuroIIKRps
Sheer magic.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 25 April 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
whos goin to this tonight
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
this entire album is awesome
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah to me it sounds like a cross between alan parsons and gary wilson
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I see a bunch of people upthread said the same thing
Well, former Ariel Pink sideman Gary War covers Eye In The Sky on his first album... it all comes together!
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
from an interview with Ariel Pink:
What other musicians or artists are you excited about right now?
not complete by any means.....wendy carlosthe ROHA BANDgetachew H/mariamvahag sakadjianyeshimebet dubalemahmoud ahmedkennedy mengeshagirma teferakuku sebesbegetachew kassaalameyehu eshetethe Wallias bandgeneva jacuzzirichard rossjohn mausconcrete rubber bandpopol vuholivier messianjulia holtermsr song poems (rodd keith)icy spicy leonciegary warcoLfancy space peoplecrooked cowboyharry merrynite jewelblack blackclang quartetsyrinxpeter thomas orchestrafreddy kthe germsthe cardiacsgirlssecret circuitbig businessrsmcleaners from venusarthur brownjames brown and the jb's just to name a few....
http://www.tragicallyhipster.com/2008/09/interview-ariel-pink-of-haunted.html
lots of ethiopian music here..
― Zeno, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Heh! Leoncie!
<3 Leoncie - 'Killer In The Park'
― craigboney (Mister Craig), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yes ok wow this whole album is fantastic.
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
artists i like being able to list enormous lists of artists i have never heard of is a good sign imo
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i really liked that list until it made me remember that ariel is associated with girls (blecch!)
has anyone else noticed that the rhythm on "round and round" kinda sounds like a slowed down "broken english"?
― a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds like beck
― Matt P, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
*thumbs down*
― Matt P, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to Ariel Pink for the first time. Sorry, but do people seriously listen to this stuff and enjoy it?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
he's no wilco
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
no i don't seriously listen to this stuff and enjoy it i just said that i did
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn! I've been pretending to listen to and enjoy his stuff for years so I could act cooler than anyone who hadn't heard him, but now that he's on 4AD my cover's blown!!
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Ilxor, perhaps you should attempt ingesting some chemical substance before listening.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Eh... I'll pass, those days are long gone for me.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX Poster Known As Ilxor, are you OK? somebody really seems to have shat in your FroYo this morning.
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi dere I am doing great!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
he's no wilco― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:58 AM
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:58 AM
^ this dude knows what's up
― ksh, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, just checkin
I have loved ariel pink records since 2004, have only heard a little of the new one but expect to probably like it pretty well too
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
but I mean...if you're actually curious about music that's clearly, audibly strange & different, you might wait until you have listened several times before arriving at your opinion, instead of posting during your first listen
free country obv., just a thought tho
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't Ariel Pink a hauntologizer? O_O
― ksh, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
he was just being a prick xp the new albumn is not that audibly strange and different.
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the kind of album you will love if you think 80s pop coulda used more 70s soul production.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
u realize yr in an thread devoted to ariel pink where you can confirm that people claim to enjoy it not yr fuckin livejournal
― hobbes, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the man is a genius, the new record is brilliant, and like VU and The Stooges in the past, most people who don't realize it now - will realize it in the future.or maybe they won't.
― Zeno, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
decent interviewhttp://www.factmag.com/2010/04/26/ariel-pink-russian-roulette/
― mizzell, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
What the hell is "hauntology"?
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ghostbox.co.uk
― hobbes, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Is the writer referring to this?
Hauntology is an idea within the philosophy of history introduced by Jacques Derrida in his 1993 work Spectres of Marx. The word, a portmanteau of haunt and ology, and a near-homophone to ontology in Derrida's native French, deals with "the paradoxical state of the spectre, which is neither being nor non-being", according to a professor at RMIT University.[1]The idea suggests that the present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"; that is, towards the "ghost" of the past. In this, it is has some similarity with the cyberpunk literary movement. Derrida holds that because of this intellectual realignment, the end of history will be unsatisfactory and untenable.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology
The idea suggests that the present exists only with respect to the past, and that society after the end of history will begin to orient itself towards ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"; that is, towards the "ghost" of the past. In this, it is has some similarity with the cyberpunk literary movement. Derrida holds that because of this intellectual realignment, the end of history will be unsatisfactory and untenable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology
Not so sure I buy this. Pink's records are retro (looking back 30+ years or so) but not really any more than anybody else in the history of pop music. I mean the British psychedelic 60s were all Victorian/vaudevillian. And they used harpsichords for Christ's sake!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
By 'by this' I mean "Ariel Pink was also central to hauntology (it’s now often forgotten that much of the initial discussion of hauntology was prompted by Pink’s records)"
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Still, great article.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
that's a real fancy description for steampunk isn't it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
in music crit, hauntology concerns the ways in which recording technology can produce a haunted or nostalgic quality. originally related mostly to dub (right?) the ghosts of an original recording drifting through a new mix, evoking dislocation and disassociation.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.4ad.com/sessions/
― mizzell, Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i've decided "can't hear my eyes" is pretty much as good as "round and round"
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 13 May 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the Mexican Summer version of that one better than the 4AD version but probably just because of familiarity after I played that 7" so many times
― dmr, Thursday, 13 May 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
high quality rip of this album leaked... sounds much much better than the previous version.
― akaky akakievich, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I've always been put off by the Alan Parsons Project, mainly because of the name. But I'm intrigued by the comparisons between the APP and this. What's a good place to start with Mr. Parsons?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I Robot
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Eye in the Sky is one of the greatest songs ever, and the album is pretty good too.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Eye in the Sky is probably more Ariel Pink-ish too. I Robot is more electronic (but a better album, imo)
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, if you're put off by the name Alan Parsons Project, I'm guessing you're not big into prog, so the later albums are the way to go.
― mizzell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
regarding APP i'd go with a greatest hits, but "i robot" and "eye in the sky" are pretty sweet albums... my favorite song of theirs is "TIME" though.
― akaky akakievich, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14324-before-today/
9.0
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
2004 has arrived -- we are all down w/ hauntology now
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/12909-grandes-exitos/ - 7.0http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10966-scared-famous/ - 6.1http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6555-house-arrest/ - 6.2http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6554-worn-copy/ - 5.9http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6553-the-doldrums/ - 5.0
"There's no way this Hollywood hillbilly called Ariel Pink knows who Stephen Merritt is"
― gorilla vs burrr (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
for some reason i thought that ariel pink was related to the rapper who calls himself black nasty, whose music i don't like at all. and for that -- i suppose irrational -- reason, i've stayed away from ariel pink's music. now i wonder if i had ariel pink confused with someone else.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.losanjealous.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ariel_06.jpg
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Any Ariel Pink fans wanna weigh in and say whether this is really his best record or not? I've only heard sections of one of his earlier records but it didn't grab me enough to make me listen to the whole thing.
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
im going to see him at the scala next weekquite excited actuallydont know every single song of his but i did love worn copy and the doldrumshope hes better than some of the reviews on ilx suggest.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's up there with the best of his work, for sure. May be my favorite, it's certainly the one I've been listening to the most lately.Worn Copy may be my sentimental fave.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
credit might be my most favourite song of his.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, June 7, 2010 11:41 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you are probably thinking of black nasty's sister, pink nasty.
― mizzell, Monday, 7 June 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that jogs my memory. thanks.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
ariel pink appears on Mayonnaise Pen, a track on Black Nasty's Shark Tank album.
― Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Its great but the disparity between the p4k ratings for (to pick one of my faves) Worn Copy and the new one is pretty crazy.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
again, based on the (possibly misleading) soundscan sample, the vocal harmonies on the chorus of bright lit blue skies is precisely the kind of big, sweeping epic chorus i remember fondly from the 80s.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 June 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
bright lit blue skies is magnificent.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Which is to say the new one should have a lower rating, amirite?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll be fuckin livid if there's a huge disparity between Cokemachineglow's review of his first record and the new one
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd give Worn Copy an 8.5ish. New one a 7.9ish.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Worn Copy's more of a 8.52 imo
― ksh, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
House Arrest and the Doldrums are still where it's at.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Bright Lit Blue Skies is a cover of a song by the Rockin Ramrods circa 1966.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 mark richardson
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
This is definitely not his best album. But it is good. The tracks are shorter, more confined and in a way this is not necessarily a good thing. I do like Butthouse Blondies a lot though.
― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Worn Copy is my fave. I should listen to his other stuff more, but it's all really hotchpotch. Even Worn Copy which I adore I rarely make all the way through. It becomes kind of exhausting.
― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 7 June 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
couldn't disagree more, worn copy, doldrums, house arrest, and lover boy = all killer no filler
― hobbes, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well ok 90% killer maybe 10% filler
― hobbes, Monday, 7 June 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Reposting Zeno's YouTube:
― skip, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― gorilla vs burrr (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 3:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I was hoping for a repudiation, or at least a reassessment, of this long history of trashing Ariel Pink albums. Instead, we get a list of supposed improvements in performance/production and a glib "It turns out that these details make a big difference". What a copout.
― skip, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
idg all the yapping this morning about the disparity between before todays score and previous albums, i mean he addresses it in the review (for basically its entirety), and even admits that there's been a reevaluation of his oeuvre.
i think the review and score are a bit overblown, for some reason this album just doesn't feel huge to me, and i feel like great pop albums should be huge. good songs, though, and i wouldn't want to discourage anyone from getting super excited about it. glad that probably thousands more people will hear it now, too.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xp skip - the review is pretty obviously intended for people who have never heard (of) ariel pink before, though. and i think the little differences adding up to something greater than the sum of their parts is true, if not *revelatory*. a talented nut who got his shit together, i don't know, music isn't always that much more complicated than just that.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Just heard "Round and Round." Damn -- amazing.
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Dear Pitchfork: you ain't talking your ass out of this.(Just watched Pulp Fiction again)
― B'wana Beast, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno its like fair enough, pink has always been awesome but it really wouldn't have made sense for pitchfork to be into him back in like 2005 so like
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, why not?
― underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
9. POINT. 0.
MUST. DOWNLOAD. DISC. IMMEDIATELY.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Daniel has never been the same since Lala's demise
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i welcome it
it's true it's true. i am heartbroken.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
actually i love bright lit blue skies song so much, i am downloading the disc tonight.
Besides an admittedly nice hook, I'm not sure what is so incredible about "Round and Round." What about it are fans attracted to? (As easy as that question is to be read with an angry, rhetorical tone, it is actually an innocently curious question. I like hearing about what makes music work for people)
― Evan, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It gives me hope
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it make me happy. seriously.
are there a bunch of 70s pop/rock songs sampled in that track? it feels like it.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the value you mortals place on your happiness astounds me!
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i think part of what is appealing about Ariel Pink has something to do with this DFW-esque idea of burrowing into self-awareness and irony until you come back around to sincerity. i guess he's always appropriated soft rock and new wave of the 70's and 80's, but up until now it was filtered through a layer of lo-fi noise and weird song structure that allowed it to be received with a sense of ironic distance. but now that it is actually well-produced and he has a band he comes across more as actually just really loving this particular sound and wanting it to be as effective as possible. it's perhaps only updated in the sense of having the perspective of history and a wider scope of influence, e.g. ethiopiques, etc. but i think a lot of people project a certain innocence and naivety and therefore maybe freedom onto unselfconscious soft rock pop of the past, so its appealing to see the trajectory of a guy working through the lo-fi bedroom sound to the point where he can afford to produce an actual soft rock album without the indie-ness (and maybe the implied self-wareness/self-deprecation) of lo-fi production.
speaking of a move from lo-fi production to a cleaner sound, there are certain sections of songs that remind me of Pavement, which might also have to do with the sound of his falsetto.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
not that lo-fi production isn't appealing it its own right. and there is obviously a component of Ariel Pink's sound that is just straight up weird and fractured unlike most soft rock of the 80's.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Ariels, in the skyWhen you lose small mindYou free your life
Life is a waterfallWe drink from the riverThen we turn around and put up our walls
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i have yet to identify the ethiopiques similarities, but maybe because i'm so pleasently surprised by all the 70s/80s pop sounds i'm hearing baked into these songs.
two of these tracks are already among my favorits pop songs of the year. and something on here i haven't focused on yet sounded like the alan parsons project?
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost LOOOOL i've been trying to do a display name out of that all day
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
nabisco pointed out on another thread that "reminiscences" is a cover of an ethiopian song off a compilation that he helped compile.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.calliebowdish.com/Birds/TurkeyVultureShaverLake090606_7491.jpg
― hobbes, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/vulture01.jpg
― hobbes, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Why does Pitchfork need to reconcile this review with their reviews of other Ariel Pink albums, written by other critics at other times?
― jaymc, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
because p-fork is an institution and the readers demand critical consistency ;) how many other music message board threads do you see dedicated to online music review sites besides p-fork ?
― oscar, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost LOOOOL i've been trying to do a display name out of that all day― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 11:25 PM (Yesterday)
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 7, 2010 11:25 PM (Yesterday)
hahaha
― I DRINK MY! I DRINK MY! I DRINK MY COOOOOOOKKKKEEEEE! (ksh), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
You know that thread about bandnames that you instinctively dismiss... also that album cover with the fox kiss is repulsive imo, too soon for furrie irony i guess? seeing all the love he is getting here i will give it a shot, I like some of the youtubes upthread, though i really can't get by the wobbly tape fx on some.
― dsb, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with some karl's post that some of the appeal of Ariel Pink's music is the "burrowing into self-awareness and irony until you come back around to sincerity."
I also agree that difference between his previous records and this has something to do with indie lo-fi production. Elements of the lo-fi production and weird song structure are still there on this new record, though. As someone mentioned above, the music still sounds "melted", and the production (maybe with the exception of Round and Round) still doesn't read as particularly high-value, at least not on good speakers.
I disagree, however, about the effect of the changes in his music, at least for me. While listening to songs of the previous incarnation, the underwater production and muffled lyrics made it feel possible for me to ignore the ironic distance and imagine the innocence and naivety and unselfconscouness of the music itself. I could project my own feelings/memories/fantasies onto it. With this newest record, with him working this particular sound to make it as effective as possible, he seems more of a japester, and the irony and thinness of the recording are more jarring. It's a little offputting to me.
As jokey as his song concepts and some of the lyrics are, I appreciate the ambiguity of the music and the slightly dark lyrics, so he hasn't completely lost me. The complex structure of the songs is fantastic.
To respond to Evan, Round and Round has a great chorus, yes, but I love how I'm never quite sure when it's going to come again, and the way he alters the instrumentation that accompanies it each time, ending with the bass dropped out for a good chunk. In addition, that one song (like several others) has so many components, interludes, and false starts that it takes a lot of listening to absorb. I wish he would evolve further on the sound of that song.
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounds like he's not as lonely anymore, which is nice for him.
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the intensity of feeling that comes from loneliness is tempered though
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:28 (thirteen years ago) link
and something on here i haven't focused on yet sounded like the alan parsons project?― Daniel, Esq.
― Daniel, Esq.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i basically never get that DFW irony-coming-full-circle-to-sincerity thing from AP. though i accept that his enthusiasm for cheezy 70s/80s pop is legit, there's always this massive sense of ironic distance, and it has nothing to do with how clean or dirty the sound is. that's not a complaint on any level, as i genuinely love a lot of what he's done so far, and the new record is great, easily his best yet. his stuff is funny and smart, the tunes are often quite strong, and sincerity seems overrated in the 1st place.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link
could you please define where the ironic distance is? if it's not from the music, what is it from?
― no fear, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 08:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with Contenderizer. He's always loved soft-rock, blue eyed soul etc and the lo-fi sound was simply down to technical limitations. It's others that have projected the ironic distance on to it, as if they can only listen to this off-limits music if it's filtered through lo-fi haze. One of the things Ariel Pink - and people like Gary War, James Ferraro and Daniel Lopatin - nails is the sheer oddness of so much soft-rock and early 80s MTV fodder. You've got all these prog journeymen like Alan Parsons trying to make pop songs, while retaining some of their proggy interest in texture, extended song structure etc. Add in brand spanking new digital technology that they haven't quite got the hang of yet and the result is some kind of avant-AOR. The demented humour in Ariel Pink's music shouldn't be mistaken for irony either.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link
well, that isn't quite what i meant. my point was that one can feel a sincere affection for something yet still remain ironically distanced from it in expressing that affection. lots of people do this with their guilty pleasures. i mean, i don't doubt the sincerity of AP's affection for the music he's referencing and creating, but his entire presentation (lyrics, attitude, persona, production) is extremely arch. and no one makes and releases records that sound like worn copy & the doldrums without wanting them to sound that way. it's a mistake to pretend that his aesthetics haven't been the product of real choices all along, especially given how central they are to his artistic identity. after all, it's not like he's suddenly stripped away all the "melted" noise to reveal the pure pop underneath. the sound is still pretty bleary and warped.
my point was that AP's positioning relative to his inspirations strongly reminds me of the "ironic" embrace of sludgy 70s rock that emerged among post-hc bands in the 80s. the superficial sarcasm and irony = a defense mechanism cloaking and permitting the expression of a deeper, unironic affection. the distancing helps establish a context, admitting that this music is not of the now, and thus enhancing its otherness and nostalgic power.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
it's sort of like ducktails. there's nothing insincere or particularly ironic about mondanile's music, but calling your band "ducktails" tends to put an box around everything you do. it's a way of saying, "look, i'm a giant dork. i not only grew up loving this dorky awesome crap, i still love it enough to name my band after it. and i know that you're a giant dork, too, and that you loved and still love the same shit, so you should totally join my gang."
ariel pink's doing something similarly self-effacing, but in a way that's fully integrated with the music he makes. it's proud, but very aware of its geekiness - sincere in its love, but preemptively obfuscatory about where it's really coming from.
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, I see your point about defence mechanisms. I don't really believe in guilty pleasures - I don't really care about what's cool anymore - but I suppose when I do share my love of, say, Yes or McCartney II with others, I do tend to point to the charming oddness of the music, as well as its melodic qualities. It's not defensive as such. I think with a lot of soft-rock, prog and blue eyed soul there's a certain transgressive thrill in embracing its sheer glutinous, oversaturated glory, particularly if you've come from a hairshirt wearing indie background where such things are frowned on.You're quite right about wanting the records to sound that way - I was only really referring to the lo-fi recording quality, not the overall sound. One of the best things about the new album is that all the flange, phase, reverb and echo effects that gave the early albums that wonderful melted quality are still there. It's just the tape hiss that's missing.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link
It's pretty catchy, but just not as warped. There's no equivalent to "MANKIND IS A NAZI" 10 minute freakouts or "Life In LA" languishing or "Credit" boomboxery or "Drummer" hypnosis. It's really just good inventive pop.
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
What do you all think of this music video I'm working on for "Round and Round"? I'm thinking that I need to get rid of a bunch of the cheesy effects and maybe tighten up some edits but otherwise I'm pretty happy with it. Constructive criticism would be awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc4rb-3EJkY
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 June 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
that is very apt, feels very right for the end of my weekend. some suitably hypnotic synchronizing, the effects feel right at points and a little arbitrary at others. but I think this is correct.
― ogmor, Sunday, 13 June 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
some moments of that video are so deeply hilarious. i don't like the effect at 1:21 but i'm all about the one that immediately precedes it. great job, dude.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 13 June 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Great vid. As with Samosa, I'm not into the 1.21 effect but could see more of the one you use before it, with the blurring circles and the eighties effect at 0.34 is sweet. I'm no expert but the best bits to me are when the lyrics match the vid - i.e. answering the phone and the click of the camera starting the beat; could do with more matching of the dance sequences to the music tempo? I dunno. I'll watch again, the footage is from Perfect right?
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
The moments where the actors gaze just past the camera are great; 0.26, 0.28 and 2.10 etc..
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's all from "Perfect."
I hate the effect at 1:21 but don't really know what else to do with it. That segment was really a struggle in general.
Thanks for the advice, y'all! Maybe I can do some fine tuning...
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
really love this, great little pop album
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
1:21 is the worst part of the song, too.
― Evan, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
The little "break down" part seems kind of lazy to me too. I really like the hook though!
― Evan, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Its not often ILM threads convince me to check bands out (no offence to anyone intended) but something had me intrigued here, and so I got a copy of "Before Today" and I'm loving it! I dont even know WHY! Its so... what is this?
― property-disrespecting Moroccan handjob (Trayce), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I got rid of the effect at 1:21 and also another one later on based on the advice. There is so much I could do but laziness is setting in and crippling me. Anyway, the version upthread is disabled, so here's the working one for future comers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST04DzjLmpA
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2010 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
"Round and Round" sounds like "Fergus Sings the Blues" by Deacon Blue. After such knowledge, what forgiveness?
― Neil Willett, Monday, 14 June 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
can't believe that movie was made in 1985. looks very '70s
great video! especially like the headshaking and pixellation moments
the chorus of round and round sounds a little like fergus sings the blues, maybe
― Dan S, Monday, 14 June 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"Round and Round" sounds like "Fergus Sings the Blues" by Deacon Blue. After such knowledge, what forgiveness?"
I dont hear it.
― oscar, Monday, 14 June 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The bit where Ricky Ross sings "`Cause I look In the mirror" etc etc leading up to the question "can this white man sing the blues"
Is the tell-tale heart buried beneath the surface of "Round and Round"
― Neil Willett, Monday, 14 June 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Fright Night is the best song on the album. I would be interested to hear the Before Today demos if there are any. I thought the prereleased "Can't Hear My Eyes" was better than the version that made it onto the album. There are also a couple songs here that were on Oddities and Sodomies in a rougher, more Ariel Pink form.
― PublicRadio, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn, that Jamie Lee was a looker in the day!
― henry s, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's hard to watch that clip and not do the dance moves in your seat. very well-timed.
― Armand Van Helden Vocal Remix (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it just me or has the music been slowed down a bit?
― skip, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Great job on the video BTW.
― skip, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I like the 80s new wavey sound of Fright Night. I like "Menopause Man" as well, even if the lyrics are a little disconcerting!
― property-disrespecting Moroccan handjob (Trayce), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think so, but if so it was not intentional. Thanks for the kind words!
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
is perfect as awesome as it looks?
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone in the 80s was just way too enthusiastically cheesy and embarrassing.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"Perfect" is incredibly dull for long stretches, but has some good moments.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The clothes and hairstyles have changed, but everything still is.
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
it looks kindof woozy and dreamy
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I will join the others in proclaiming my love for your video. Very nice!
― henry s, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
hes kinda weird live. funny, but sort of like he was just fucking around for a good portion of it. also it seemed like 75% of the show was just one hard rocker after another, not much of the 'life in la' sort of stuff. he seemed to get a bit more serious when he did one song which i dunno, sounded like the doors or something, so for the 3 or so songs after that, it got a little more earnest, but then it ended (he did a few encores though). not sure if it was the scala or what, but i thought someone like him would have better sound, or try to go for a more distinct live setup. seemed a bit muddy overall.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
also he didnt do credit, which he could easily have done instead of yet another affectionately piss takey scuzzy rocker, so he loses points.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:16 (thirteen years ago) link
He was absolutely brilliant in Glasgow. Set did tend to lean towards the faster, power-poppy stuff - Getting High In the Morning was awesome - but we did get For Kate I Wait. Hardcore Pops and Flashback for the encore: totally rockin' and hella catchy. He really seemed to be enjoying himself, but he definitely wasn't fucking around. A great frontman, with a great band. And no issues with the sound at all. It was really sharp and defined.
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
it could just be me being grumpy of course. anyway by fucking around i just mean he was kinda goofing around a bit. but i suppose thats just him.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Pink IS goofy. Listen to his songs, the silly voices, the high pitched parts, etc.!
Only time I ever saw him he did half his set with a local band (everywhere he went he met up with a local band who learned 3 or 4 tracks that day) and then half playing his 4-track and mixing the tracks live and singing along karaoke style to it. If the same band that's playing on the album is playing these shows I'd imagine it should be pretty rockin'!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the first Ariel Pink record I have listened to more than about 3 times, and the first I've actually bought. Listening tonight on a proper stereo it sounds wonderful. I like karl's thoughts above.
To join in - "Round and Round" reminds me immediately of blue eyed soul era Wet Wet Wet. Sweet little mystery indeed.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
this album is my favourite album this year, along with janelle monaes. so many highpoints.
― truffle-flavoured french fry (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
so my first bit of investigation into his back catalogue led me to the My Molly EP in which he does a really spot on Morrissey impression on "This Night Has Opened My Eyes", pretty funny. i don't think i'll be returning to the EP much, though the songs are good; the extremely lo-fi recording quality just pricks my ears in a very unpleasant way.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 19 June 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i find it hard to listen to the old stuff now ive heard the new album.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 19 June 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
saw Real Estate cover My Molly when I saw em live, highlight of the set
― dmr, Saturday, 19 June 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwuyUTs9LI
was watching lilys vids on youtube and saw this
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 June 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
cccccccccrrrrrrrrrrreDIT.
― rethuglican (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys are making this sound awesome. i need to pick it up
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
it is kind of awesome, actually.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
has this been talked about on the thread?
― jaxon, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it has, i had no idea it was a cover either until someone upthread mentioned it.
― oscar, Sunday, 20 June 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Ariel Pink played with the Lilys. Huh!
― Evan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
wow i didnt know it was a cover either. pinks version of it reminds me of dinosaur jnr.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 20 June 2010 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link
As predicted, MGMT's oddball album isn't exactly tearing up the charts-- it currently sits at number 166 on Billboard's Top 200, three spots behind Ariel Pink's Before Today. Weird times.
― mizzell, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
listened to the new one driving around today. its fucking tremendous.
― Michael B, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Picked up the vinyl yesterday, sounds and looks great.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Butthouse Blondies and Little Wig finally made an impression. They work well together as one big epic imo.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
ARIEL PINK WITH ADDED PIZZAZZ (mp3 of first song on there)http://www.freedopeandfuckinginthestreets.com/add.html
― jaxon, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, but it was released two months ago. It debuted at #2.
― jaymc, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
'fright night' is my fave so far
― Michael B, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
are his old albums getting reissued on vinyl by paw tracks? anyone know?
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
this
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
also, why arent his albums available on cassette? i think that would be perfect.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I was in the process of taking music off my hard-drive today because I'm formatting it and I just discovered Ariel Pink with 'Worn Copy'. I like what I hear so far
― serious nonsense (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I think this is one of his weakest albums and it will undoubtedly be the one for which he's most renowned.
Round and round sounds like it was probably awesome when he made it on his tape deck. Then he went in the studio and had to really deliberately do all the non-sequiteur production as though it was spontaneous.
I admired Ariel Pink precisely because he DIDN'T re-record his ideas. I hope the rest of the originals make their way onto subsequent cdrs l. Compare the old 'beverly kills' to this one and you'll hear why.
― PublicRadio, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I'm inclined to agree with Public Radio. I think a lot of the appeal behind Ariel was his highly idiosyncratic spontenaity (jesus how do I spell that again?), which you really can't quite replicate in a studio with a full band. Still, it's a nice collection of songs and I'm glad people like it.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 25 June 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I definitely agree with PublicRadio. "Worn Copy" is way much better, funny and exciting.
― abbysmyname, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ive only heard 'the doldrums' before and despite the odd gem ('strange fires'), i found the constant murkiness a bit trying. i enjoy this one a lot more tbh.
― Michael B, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i dig what he was trying to do on that record but found myself trying to like it more than i actually did.
― Michael B, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i'm with michael b. i dig the worn (but perversely spontaneous) quality of the older recordings, but I LOVE finally hearing the songs set free of those constraints. cuz they're really, really good songs, and they reward the care & attention.
― contenderizer, Friday, 25 June 2010 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
totally agree w/that-- i love 'the doldrums' and don't mind its murky sonics and appreciate the tossed-off accidental magic of much of it, but he's too talented of a songwriter to have all of his musical ideas forever submerged in the lofi. he's got so many songs such "as every night i die at miyagis" or "alisa" that are just pure pop brilliance (the genuine article; i'm not just idly spitting cliche here) such that they deserve to see the light of day with fuller production, arrangements, etc.
― dell (del), Friday, 25 June 2010 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i think Worn Copy - probably his best record - could be even better with a hi-fi production like Before Today.
― Zeno, Friday, 25 June 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The pre 'Before Today' stuff works much better in a iPod shuffle situation I.e the odd track every now and then that makes you go WTF rather than listening to the whole album which begins to grate sonically after awhile...new album gets better with each listen though...
― sonnyboy, Friday, 25 June 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"I think this is one of his weakest albums and it will undoubtedly be the one for which he's most renowned.
Round and round sounds like it was probably awesome when he made it on his tape deck. Then he went in the studio and had to really deliberately do all the non-sequiteur production as though it was spontaneous."
this is the kneejerk reaction id expect to have. but the album is too good (and still retains all his ariel-isms, and reveals a load more) to really qualify for that kind of criticism. hearing him without all the murk and muck just makes you realise that theres plenty there to still retain the more mysterious qualities of his old material without shrouding it in tons of hiss.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
hes kinda rare in that he translates perfectly to both lo fi and hi fi. and if you dont like the latter, luckily theres a ton of songs in the old style to listen to.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
this mix he did is pretty great. a bunch of outsider pop that sounds like what he's doing. lots of worldy stuff. http://www.factmag.com/2010/05/24/fact-mix-152-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti/
― jaxon, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
that ariel mix is rad. here's another one he did that is just as good. so many gems i havent heard before. http://www.thetripwire.com/listen/2010/05/17/hear-ariel-pink-on-viva-radio/
― oscar, Friday, 2 July 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
any reports on his live show ?
― oscar, Saturday, 10 July 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
found this live session in HIGH QUALITY sound and its great. if they sound half as good tonight, ill be happy.
― oscar, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm seein' him tonight too :Dlast time i saw him w/live band it was A+live "in studio" thing that was on pitchfork was also A+
― hobbes, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
nuts! didn't realize he was playing tonight. i'm gonna be djing in berkeley :(
― jaxon, Saturday, 10 July 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
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― oscar, Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:24 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark
I saw Haunted Graffiti last night at the Echoplex. I've seen Ariel play a few times, including one famous one at Tonic a half dozen years ago where he melted down completely with equipment problems and even R. Stevie Moore's presence wasn't enough to save the night. Now it's completely controlled, his band is made up of one dude from that Beachwood Sparks/Farmer Dave/Further crew and one dude from White Magic, and they play through the mumbles and hiccups and Ariel doesn't play guitar live anymore.
It was sold out, which is crazy for such a huge place as the Echoplex, and most of the people it seems had just discovered Pink. It was a very young crowd, which doesn't surprise me a lot, because he has a very young person sound (lo-fi), but weird nonetheless when you've been following a guy's career for 10 years.
― the who cares (okamax), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
People were leaving in droves tonight.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 11 July 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^yeah WEIRD crowd vibe. loved "hardcore pops are fun". show was way unhinged. he was acting so fucked before/during the first song, i was half predicting a meltdown of some kind.
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
unhinged comparably to other ariel pink shows? or unhinged comparably to, say, a national show. because honestly, it's wayyyyyyy less unhinged now. i'd say it's downright hinged.
― the who cares (okamax), Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
enjoyed him at atp last year - i think this was in the first wave of playing tightened up with a band and so on - kind of wish i'd had some idea what he was like before that, for comparison
― thomp, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdMxSYzEuws
for instance
― the who cares (okamax), Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean unhinged compared to 2 years ago when he had a slightly different lineup. certainly less so than his one man shows, of course!
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
by "unhinged" i guess i just mean more aggressive/dangerous sounding.
― hobbes, Sunday, 11 July 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
This was my first time seeing him so I have nothing to compare it with, but everyone I was with thought it was a fiasco, and they'll all fans.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 12 July 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
they're, rather
http://www.lifelounge.com/music/video/ariel-pink%27s-haunted-graffiti-%27bright-lit-blue-skies%27.aspx
This was linked to on my Twitter feed. You have to love these "scene" writers that automatically assume an album by someone they've never heard before must be the debut.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 July 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought the band was good but was not into ariel's theatrics at all. his vocals frankly sucked. i would never see him again.
― oscar, Monday, 12 July 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah me neither. love the albums but as a performer, hes a bit frustrating. even with a good band, i dont think he really puts them to great use cos hes the one leading them, and he just likes to fuck around!
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Some would considering this latest album his 'debut' because it is pretty much his first official proper studio album on a big label.
Some would considering you should be set on fire
― Psychic... Octopus... Another Mertesac (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
he said in an interview that people wants him to perform and thats why he does it, and he likes recording much better.wasnt the exact words but that was the main idea.
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
My buddy plays in his band.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
My buddy once touched Neve Campbell.
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
saw 'em last night, good show
one of the openers, puro instinct, was pretty great: http://vimeo.com/12987214 the recorded stuff doesn't do justice to their live sound
― OK (LOLK), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I was there last night too. Pretty entertaining. He knew to save the best for last with "For Kate I Wait."
― stingy, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought his live show this tour was great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DolFdXt2_z4
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm stoked that Haunted Graffiti will be in my town this fall, chagrined I'll have to buy a ticket for the Flaming Lips to see them, though.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Why aren't there more videos like "Mistaken Wedding?"
― billstevejim, Friday, 23 July 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
From the "FF" album there's a song called "One More Time" sung by what sounds like 12-year-old Ariel Pink.. This is def my new favorite of his.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
totally i love that song! is that some random 12 year old singing or is it him or what? in either case it sure sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. if it's really something he made when he was a kid, it's funny to think how his recording techniques basically haven't changed at all (up til the new one at least).
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
that is one of his most perfect compositions, maybe even my favorite. it also sounds like a duet...I hear two voices.
― 2+2 is 4 (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/600/73.jpg
holy shit
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
he looks like ben foster
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, why are you posting him on the ariel pink thread?
― mizzell, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
sooo is the live show good? thinking about seeing him when he plays with os mutantes next month.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
live show is hit or miss due to tantrums but he was great when I saw him this time around
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
cool -- reunited os mutantes are supposed to be pretty solid live too, right?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
lol. ha. http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2010/10/ariel-pink-crushes-it-acl.html
it's the guy from Girls.
― jaxon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
all white people look alike to me
Ariel Pink killed it tonight in NYC; he smartly stuck with songs that translated well live (no Grey Sunset or uber snythy stuff). Os Mutantes were amazing.
― Spectrum, Sunday, 14 November 2010 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
both bands were great in Atlanta on Tuesday (Os Mutantes played a dope version of "Georgia On My Mind")
― (ಠ▃ಠ)o ((cloud)) (crüt), Sunday, 14 November 2010 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGLqYIrvVQ&feature=player_embedded
― prior, Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
That is my favorite one! I have tears! He's absolutely right, that IS a hard song to pull off and they did it flawlessly. I kept waiting for a mistake or something awkward, but no.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lOm3iLLkU
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
the boy Pink's done it again. wonderfully bonkers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ZdLTVT12k
― Michael B, Friday, 30 September 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not sure about it tbh, listening to imitations of proggish wank isn't my idea of fun.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7eIs-J3tYi saved 2 disk and must have watched that vdo a dozen times.
― Sébastien, Monday, 10 October 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpnMVwng0ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cdt3taIaZE&feature=related
Syd Barrett?
― nostormo, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol doesn't he melt down at like every show whatev
― river, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
The "Round and Round" video I made and posted in this thread has 135k views now, jeez.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
i think blue oyster cult invented ariel pink with this song, particularly the chorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTNqyJXTako
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
lovely tune
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
So I saw him for the first time last night opening for Pulp and that was...bemusing. I mean, I totally get what he's doing but that was definitely not his crowd (and he knew it, which is what made the canned applause that they played after every song more hilarious, especially when they started fucking around with reverb).
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Friends at the SF Pulp show really loathed Ariel. He was a hit with the Flaming Lips crowd.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
what about a new album?(i mean a proper album, not the esoteric shit he made with Stevie Moore)
― nostormo, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Listening to it now. It's not bad, but it's too hi-fi so he neems too naked on the record. Maybe we could get our hands on some demo versions of these new albums.
― 3×5, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
The last two comments back-to-back are pretty funny.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
This new stuff is great. I love his backup band on these studio records!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
It's very stripped down arrangements and effects. It's alot more subtle than the older ones. It's not really as fun as the old ones, but they are cool songs.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
I think the new album is musically pretty weak. With the last album, he compensated for the lack of lo-fi gauziness by writing good songs and having a punchy band, but this is a slick and lifeless studio record with half-arsed songs.The main problem though is the awful lyrics. All that moronic creepy bullshit he came out with in the Wire interview about beta male revenge runs through the album and the results are not pleasant. He seems to think he's being transgressive, engaging in acts of genderfucking, but he's just sleazy and wrongheaded. Transphobic lines about 'shemales' hardly help either.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Friday, 10 August 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah....i may have to listen to it again later. I kind of phased out after song 3 or 4 and got distracted w something else. On first listen definitely not as cool as "Before Today".
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 August 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
The main problem though is the awful lyrics. All that moronic creepy bullshit he came out with in the Wire interview about beta male revenge runs through the album and the results are not pleasant. He seems to think he's being transgressive, engaging in acts of genderfucking, but he's just sleazy and wrongheaded. Transphobic lines about 'shemales' hardly help either.
Weird. Kind of a further extension of "Menopause Man" then? That "castrate me, make me gay" lyric always bothered me.
― dmr, Friday, 10 August 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
That line in Menopause Man made me lol when I first heard it.
I think the songs are tight on this release. I think it's poorly produced, though, and not in like before where it was intentional and for artistic effect.
I can really hear R. Stevie all over this release. I don't know if he had a hand in this record, but the songs sound like RSM songs -- so much so that I wonder if he wrote a handful of these. The lyrics sound just like RSM lyrics, too.
― 3×5, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
I like this dudes music. not all of it, but about 30%.
fame will destroy him though!
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Friday, 10 August 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
fame already destroyed him
― nostormo, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm listening to Schnitzel Boogie now. There's a little sketch about a minute into the song, and even his spoken delivery is in an R. Stevie style.
― 3×5, Friday, 10 August 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
In case anyone missed the Wire interview, I quote: 'Beta males have got it figured out so that they don't even have to chase or rape their prey, so to speak'. Urgh, what a creep.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Saturday, 11 August 2012 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
dig the production on mature themes, and i like that a few of the songs recall 'menopause' man, mix and tone-wise. the "tried to be good, to be good, etc." song sticks in the head. ultra-blissed, even SAW II-like track 12 (nostradamus), and 13 is a summer-time-y treat
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 13 August 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
if the songwriting is not good, nothing can save the record
― nostormo, Monday, 13 August 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
I have no idea what I'm supposed to take away from this snippet. I guess I should read the entire interview.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 13 August 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
He expounds this completely idiotic thesis about the ascent of the beta male. Now that the nerds have won, Ariel can get his revenge over alpha males and the women who wouldn't sleep with him. Revenge of the nerd stuff at its most vindictive, misanthropic and misogynistic. As a friend put it, 'Turns out, according to Ariel, you don't have to be a musclebound jock to be an asshole to women any more. It's a great time to be an asshole!' There are few ok songs on here, but nothing he hasn't done better in the past. And the R Stevie Moore homages are utterly charmless. His whole deliberately bored delivery is a real drag too.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
cripes, that's a bummer, but not a shock ... ariel seems like an oddball, though was hoping for something less vicious. why not just think everyone's got there place in society and move on. ::[]
― Spectrum, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
whole thing is on NPR nowhttp://www.npr.org/2012/08/12/158442302/first-listen-ariel-pinks-haunted-graffiti-mature-themes
― dmr, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
Eight tracks into this and the single's been the only really good song.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
I like it, but I feel like he should be putting these kinds of records out once or twice a year on Paw Tracks. It doesn't feel like two years worth of work.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, he spent a lot of that time figuring out how not to rape his prey
― contenderizer, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
he's still probably looking for a girl who puts up with his shit and puts out just like a little girl scout.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I mean chick
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like he should be putting these kinds of records out once or twice a year on Paw Tracks. It doesn't feel like two years worth of work.
kind of agree with this. it's not awful but ... not very good either. I doubt I'll buy it. I went ahead and just got the "Baby" single (which is great).
― dmr, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
I'd rather listen to the original tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONIJXHvoynw
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i don't see the point of the cover. the orignal is awesome, as is the rest of the album it came from.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 13 August 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder how much time he actually spent on this. Pink Slime must have been written fairly recently right?
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
You all realize musicians often have mood swings and may be under the influence of drugs or attention when taking an interview.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link
Once you are popular and fashionable you are not a nerd.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
That's my point - he's the nerd who's become popular and with his new found sense of power all his seething resentment floods out. I'm sure Mr Pink is no stranger to the devil's dandruff, but the pish he comes out with the interview is backed up by lyrics on the album. Plus it's in the Wire, hardly known for its sensationalist approach.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 10:23 (eleven years ago) link
The album definitely picks up a bit towards the end but, no, I doubt I'll buy this. 'Schnitzel Boogie' followed by 'Symphony of the Nymph' is the low point.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:39 (eleven years ago) link
Symphony of the Nymph is the creepy nadir, plus it manages to rip off Kraftwerk and Telstar and still be shit.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:32 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
URGH. Total creep. I haven't read the interview in The Wire, but I did read a really dopey interview in Bomb and I was trying my best not to let affect my opinion of the music.
― America's Mobile, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
I'm really enjoying the record in spite of myself.
― America's Mobile, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
The one with Cass McCombs? Just looked this up. Good lord, bisexuals are castrated? Young people defining themselves as bi is 'a mutation'? This guy is a fucking moron.
AP It’s a good point, so the people that go to action are the kids. Therefore music is targeted to a youth audience. The youth are castrating themselves. Willingly. That political correctness thing. Everybody’s bi now. Have you noticed that?
CM Outside of San Francisco?
AP Everybody under 27 years old. Every girl I’ve ever met who’s under 27: bi. Call me old-fashioned. That did not happen in my generation. I find it very disturbing, frankly. The Millennials are what I’m talking about—they have no gender. Their gender is a biological imperative. It can’t be a choice, of course. They’re just born bi. Maybe it’s a mutation or something like that.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea what he is getting at there. maybe its a joke? he's being ironic?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
still doesn't make sense
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
He's just trying to get some transgressive millennial groupie action.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
i really love this record after 5 or 6 listens. was not super impressed after the first
― bluelips, Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
wtf
The Entertainment Law Digest has posted details of a lawsuit filed by former Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti drummer Aaron Sperske, who claims that he was illegally "squeezed out" of an "oral partnership" agreement established between the band members in 2008.Sperske alleges that he and the three remaining Haunted Graffiti members-- Pink (real name Ariel Rosenberg), Tim Koh, and Kenny Gilmore-- wrote the songs for the upcoming record Mature Themes together and that he's entitled to 25 percent ownership. He claims he's "entitled to profits from royalties and future shows," writes Entertainment Law Digest, and is seeking $1 million in punitive damages. (Cole M. Greif-Neill was originally part of the partnership as well, but "left the partnership of his own accord in 2010," according to Entertainment Law Digest.)According to the lawsuit, which was filed on August 12 in Los Angeles, Sperske was removed from the band in spite of performing "diligently and competently."
― mizzell, Friday, 17 August 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed so far. I'd be willing to bet RSM wrote Symphony of the Nymph and dared AP to put it on the album. It's definitely the least charming thing Ariel's ever released.
I doubt Ariel Pink was ever a nerd. I remember the real nerds in high school. They had visible plaque in their teeth and sat by themselves at lunch, and were genuinely ostracized. There's a difference between feeling like a nerd in high school and actually being one, and adults should be able to look back and recognize the difference.
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 August 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
Also Ariel's arrested development was kind of cute when he was 26, but at 33 it's kind of gross.
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
this guy has always sucked </shakey mo>
― turtwig greenturty (Matt P), Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
Listened to this yesterday and liked it more than I expected. Definitely a return to his earlier work and very goofy throughout. I can understand why it isn't getting much love. It doesn't really measure up to the last one, but I think I'll still listen to it a bunch.
― Moodles, Saturday, 18 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
Self-described Beverly Hills yuppie in saying dumb shit shockah
maybe he's just trying to compete with his homeboy john maus
fuck both of these guys with a doo-doo covered stick
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
love both of these guys and also doo-doo
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
Ariel Pink is actually my great-grand-nephew. I think he's done a fine job here; I like this almost as much as the Chess soundtrack, which happens to be the only other CD I have in the house, though I'm sure I must have bought some others at some point and then just mislaid them. Symphony of the Nymph is the standout track on the album (I mean Ariel's album; One Night in Bangkok is the standout on Chess) with its deft rhyming of "discotheque" and "bibliotheque", "Lothario" and "Ariel", "synth" and "nymph". It's hella catchy; when I sing it at my local bakery they give me free bagels. To go.
I can just imagine the video, with Ariel recreating Nijinsky's role (a sort of graceful brindled cow) in L'Apres Midi d'une Faune. But wait, Nijinsky played the faun in that! Lydia Nelidova was the nymph! Well, okay, Ariel would have to play Lydia's character. But considering his tirades against modern bisexuality in recent interviews, Ariel would find that role reversal really fucked up, and a bad example for the youth of America. Hmmm.
Here's what I suggest. Ariel plays a really butch lesbian bitch of a nymph, in the cow suit, with, you know, udders everywhere. Then some crass cisgendered rock chick groupie with pink hair comes along and milks him in this really suggestive way, with her mouth, in this disco-library-type milking stall, until out spurts... not milk, not spunk, but pure 1960s-grade alpha-methylphenethylamine. Some of it spills on the ground, and seven librarian sluts get down on their knees and snort it up. Then they strap on guitars and recreate Robert Palmer's Addicted To Love. But instead of Palmer, there's Ariel, still dressed as a cow, on the mic.
I'm going to email him right now and suggest this. He's still got about eight weeks before he hits the obsolescent scrapheap, so with a non-union crew it could just be possible.
― Grampsy, Sunday, 19 August 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
What kind of fucking high brow trolling is this?
― Evan, Sunday, 19 August 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
not his best work imo
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
high brow?
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
― 3×5, Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:32 PM (Yesterday)
i don't know whether ariel is real or faux nerd. either way, it does seem like he's competing with maus and adam from girls to be some new kind of "real (gross) nerd" icon.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
Grampsy on chillwave thread = Lampsy
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
Um. I'm pretty sure John Maus has never been horrendously bi- and trans-phobic, and if you guys are comparing his comments on record shops to this shit, then you are fucking awful people.
― emil.y, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
"high brow"
http://michaeljswart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Using-That-Word.png
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
tbf this is what grampsy's eyebrows look like
http://m.popstar.com/Gallery/Celebrity/D/David+Hemmings/Photos/00000004-6004.jpg
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
my favorite part of the wire interview is when AP suggests that maybe 6-7% of ppl in the world have heard of him.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
― emil.y, Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:12 PM (33 minutes ago)
well, as a happily self-confessed awful person, i'm comparing only the oddball affectations, not degree of evil or anything
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
lol i wonder if Metallica has even reached that many people (xpost)
― some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
...but yeah, maus hasn't said anything anywhere near as repellent, afaik
― contenderizer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
420 Million Ariel Pink Fans Can't Be Wrong
― wk, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
Maus seems really tedious but I'm pretty sure Pink is just doing a Lou Reed / Bowie kind of schtick.
― wk, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
It's a shame because when I first got into Ariel, I listened to an interview with him and I was impressed that he wasn't trying to be weird, and could speak eloquently about his music and what he was trying to do. It's a shame that he's turned into this. In this post reality show world where everyone's publicist coaches them to act outrageous, there's nothing offbeat about the way he behaves now.
― 3×5, Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
in recent interviews he's like "tee hee i'm single and ready to mingle" . couple of sentences later "shit, i was ready to have kids" aww
― Sébastien, Monday, 20 August 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
Where is this devastating interview everyone keeps talking about? Link please?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 20 August 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
it's in this issue of the Wire but I don't think they put this stuff up for free, you have to subscribe to access
http://www.thewire.co.uk/issues/342/
― dmr, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
How can anyone familiar with his catalogue take any opinions he voices in an interview seriously? That's like expecting coherence from an interview with Animal from the muppets.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
no kidding. The album was surprisingly good given the negative comments here. some off tracks but all of his albums have off tracks.
― skip, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
I don't care if he personally means the awful things that he says, he is perpetuating a harmful discourse and for that he deserves to be held accountable.
― emil.y, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
Oh.
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
At one point he sang "The human race is a nazi" you know
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 20 August 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
he also feasts on placentas iirc
― wk, Monday, 20 August 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
i hear the percussion on the new album is made up of the sounds of him shitting on kittens
― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
Still trying to sort out my feelings about the new one. I dunno whether my attention is too split or what or if the sonics are too flattened or whatever, but it barely registers to me when I play it beyond. Maybe I need to sequester myself in a dark room with this thing, with no distractions. Adult life is some bullshit.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 23 August 2012 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
wait, this record rules
― wk, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
I just realized
yeah it does
― Mordy, Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm liking it. Don't know what everyone's complaining about.
― Moodles, Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
This is good stuff, I like it way better than his last album... the single posted earlier in the thread almost put me off, but I'm glad I checked it out.
― Spectrum, Saturday, 1 September 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
'Kinski Assassin' sounds like he's ripping the piss out of John Maus
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 1 September 2012 09:47 (eleven years ago) link
had a bit of a magnetic fields sound to me
― Mordy, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
so is that dam funk singing the opening verse to "baby" ? if so, he's got a great voice. Or is it sampled from the original song? what the hell.
album is great.. lots of variety. i find a lot of it stuck in my head
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
it's Dam-Funk singing
some of Mature Themes is growing on me, I have gone back to it a couple times
― dmr, Sunday, 2 September 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
MATURE THEMES is his most consistent record so far imo. all the others, even before today, have been real hit or miss for me. ariel's arrested development is making him all achey and sadd
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
i wish he would get confronted on his bs tho, but effectively. someone should FAX him a concise and better informed summary of the good points in this thread. at best, what, he would change some lyrics live and 1 year and a half from now he would release a live album on an indie label that would actually be better than the official one in even more ways than it would have been: the band will know their songs better, will make them better than when they have recorded it and the lyrics could be.. he is not a poet, he is a shitrocker... so i do not have an idea for ideal replacement lyrics but not reactionary would be default better. peace , ariel. ps the internet is full of rumors about you! every self respecting fans that have seen you live 2 or 3 times have seen you running away from the stage screaming like a madman disappearing into the night! you will have to address that in the future at one point!
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
last 2 posts: rong
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
doldums still best, most consistent. ariel, don't change any lyrics.
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
wk: what, no good points were made in this thread about ... schizotypal personality shitrocker saying offending things in that one wired interview that i have not been able to pirate yet?
edit: i can hardly "get" any of those lyrics anyway. but i am still all right with being an unfaithful listener of music, it works for me.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
no
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
tsss
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
tttch'k poooo'
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
p''tttsssshhhiewwwwwh
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
xpost i meant " tch'k po'k"
yeah that is more like it.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
kinski assassin double agents in athens....this song really reminds me of the strawberry alarm clock w/o being an overt ripoff. at least ariel isn't generic
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
can't stop listening to this record
― spazzmatazz, Friday, 14 September 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
fiiine, i'll check it out. liked the last one, but the lukewarm reaction to this one put me off.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 14 September 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah this album rules
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda bad though
a lot of redeeming moments. par for the course.
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
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this about sums up my relationship w/ariel pink
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Saturday, 15 September 2012 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
Lol
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 15 September 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
anyone got a link to a scan of the WIRE interview? Or anyone want to scan it and share it?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 17 September 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
omigod some of this shit is a hybrid of Of Montreal and Guided By Voices.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
I found this http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v252/VMKLadyLazarus/Ariel%20Pink%20The%20Wire/
kind of small and the pages are backwards. I thought the interview was terrible and don't blame Pink for trolling this idiot who didn't hear the angst in an album called "The Doldrums" and actually heard it as "sunny." wtf
― wk, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
thank you!
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
Ok, so being a misogynistic, transphobic and biphobic asshole is just a clever strategy to troll a bad interviewer... I think the interviewer did hear the angst, which is perhaps why he lets him off the hook for all the nonsense he comes out with. The whole Columbine bit is pretty distasteful, but the 'beta male' section is just appalling. If that's Pink's idea of being a hilariously ironic troll then he's no better than morons who write for Vice.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
totally some Of Montreal in this
― Andrew Sandwich, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
ariel is trolling. who gives a fuck
― spazzmatazz, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
Trolls are assholes, much like biphobics, dude's always been a primo cunt, regardless of his music.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
is the version of Baby on the album slightly different from the one on the 12"? seems like it.
― dmr, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure there is a separate version of Baby? At least on the vinyl release, it's not actually on the LP, just a bonus track on the mp3 download.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
huh. maybe I'm wrong. I have the Baby 12" and listened to the album on spotify yesterday, Baby is the last track and sounded a little different to me. not that it matters really.
with the last album the version of Can't Hear My Eyes that Mexican Summer put out was different than the one on Before Today (slightly lower-fi, and better imo)
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
ultimately I guess I like this record ok. some of the weirdo stuff (like Kinski Assassin and Is This The Spot? and Schnitzel Boogie) is getting stuck in my head pretty regularly. Symphony of the Nymph fucking sucks. Baby is good. The rest is kinda boring.
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
"getting stuck in my head pretty regularly"
is this a good criteria to for a good song?
i used to think so, but now im not sure.if you listen to crappy music for a long enough time, it will get stuck in your head, too.
― nostormo, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad baby isn't on the LP, song doesn't fit with the bizarro zappa pop of the rest of it. i honestly think this is the best new thing i've heard all year. top to bottom it's a killer record - excepting DRIFTWOOD and NOSTRADAMUS AND ME
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
Driftwood is my favorite song from the album lol
― nostormo, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
if you listen to crappy music for a long enough time, it will get stuck in your head, too.
well yeah, there are things that get stuck in my head that piss me off, "kinski assassins with agents in athens" goes around in my head and I enjoy it, I guess is what I'm sayin'
― dmr, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
this whole record has songs I like or w/e but I think Live it Up is the best song on it idk
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
pink slime is about his cum
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
This album is darn good.
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
this album sucks, why did i listen to (some of) you guys
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
double agents from athens
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad baby isn't on the LP, song doesn't fit with the bizarro zappa pop of the rest of it.
is it not on the vinyl version? its at the end of the CD version and, yeah, it feels odd placed there.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:51 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― dmr, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
o, missed that 1
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah thank god it's not on the LP. this is seriously becoming my favorite record of the last 3/4 years
― spazzmatazz, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Live It Up!
― 3×5, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
"Driftwood" channels that well-documented affection for Faith-era Cure really well IMO; I'm glad "Nostradamus" is drifting enough to serve as a buffer between "Baby" and the rest of the album.
― Yellow Tonka//Sony Titanium - YT//ST (Craig D.), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Boom! Excellent article and a worthwhile discussion in the comments too.
http://thequietus.com/articles/10133-ariel-pink-beta-male-misogyny
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 11:37 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, I'm not sure I care that much about his incoherent comments to get so indignant about it.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
Those comments, however incoherent, are symptomatic of wider issues of misogyny in indie culture. The article does a good job of opening the discussion out.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
Is the target of this piece indie culture, Ariel Pink or some expression of misogyny? I'm not sure I really get this. It's something about going to clubs in Norwich that play BIS and getting hit on by drunk dudes?
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
You know, it's just that I would have never really had expectations of Ariel Pink to be some kind of bastion of 'sexual democracy'. I've never really expected that from his music. Even line years ago about wanting a chick who puts up with his shit and puts out. I mean, it's always been there, right? Plus, he's always been really WEIRD, even I guess, a bit creepy.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
It is true that he has always been an asshole. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
It seems like there's several complaints being conflated together here, that's all. And it makes the entire issue less clear, imo.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
The main thrust of the article seems fairly clear to me - Ariel Pink's comments re: Beta males are indicative of a wider misogyny running through 'indie', and it would be at least helpful to use them as a starting point to check yrself and yr privilege/presentation of victimhood.
I do have issues with the lack of distinction between the twee scene and the larger indie scene, but that's for very specific reasons and nothing that's written is particularly inaccurate, so.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
'tweecore strongholds' is a disarming phrase
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
I'm from Norwich and was completely unaware of any tweecore stronghold existing there.
― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
Interview him sometime. Dude's a creep. But I still like his music.
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
a silent, cloaking stronghold, just as it was predicted in the protocols of the elders of nyan
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
Lol, Dwight, there totally is. Mostly headed by my awesome bros in B34rsu1t.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
tweecore stronghold ruled with an amateurishly knitted fist.
that article is getting at something but it kinds of seems to come to a sudden stop before it completely unfolds its point, a bit.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
That article is putting words in Ariel's mouth, imo. The "beta males" line didn't read to me as "let's get revenge on the alphas by slyly seducing girls with our intellect" thing but a "fuck alpha males, let me deploy the word 'prey' to compare them to predators"
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
In the original Wire article Pink talks quite explicitly about getting revenge on alpha males through using his intellect to seduce women. Women aren't allowed any agency, they're just vehicles for male competition to get 'pussy in the pocket'. How delightful. Classifications such as beta and alpha are such reductive bullshit anyway. Pink's thinking on gender and queerness is totally idiotic. So I don't think Joe Kennedy was putting words into his mouth at all.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
OH REALLY? yuck.
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
ugh I feel like I'm getting stupider just thinking about this
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
but is ariel pink's damage really indicative of broader trends in indie music?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
yes, as explained in the article
― lex pretend, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
maybe in a different article!
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
Don't forget about Peep Show! Also, apparently, evidence of problems with the indie cultures.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
The sense that the sexual democracy of that scene is a sham, amounting ultimately to the perpetuation of the same old male privileges in a more passive-aggressive way, is one of the (many) things to have consistently undermined twee's claims to political credibility.
secret sympathies here w/ paglia i think
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
But who has ever claimed that 'indie culture' is sexually democratic? If we're playing this game, then surely such scenes are inherently constituted from those standards.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
maybe my problem is that i can't unpack the uk'isms. "Remember all those guys who really loved Le Tigre or Electrelane or Bis or CSS, but ultimately might as well have been in the triples-for-singles meat market up the road when it came to putting their money where their emancipatory mouths were?" what is triples-for-singles and how does that indicate that sexual democracy in twee scene is a sham?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
i had no idea twee aspired to political credibility! i thought it was just a mostly spent aesthetic movement. and i never thought of ariel pink as twee? more as psychotic?
I didn't get that bit either, don't know what it means. I sort of am unclear how people hooking up at indie clubs distinguishes those clubs from... any clubs. But you know Ariel Pink is shit so feel free to smear them with whatever. Apparently the guy is also a massive racist too, I can tell by how annoying I find his music.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
the bit about triples-for-singles i mean.
also no doubt plenty of people are crepey, but actual meat market shit clubs really are a level above and we shouldn't forget this.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
this part is pretty terrible too:
"There's no direct continuity, but twee and its attendant bookish 'niceness' is one of the guiding influences on the Amerophile Dalston aesthetic Luke Turner described in his recent piece on Swans for Riot of Perfume."
there's no direct continuity but it's one of the guiding influences?
also who the fuck are Tullycraft and what do they have to do with Ariel Pink?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I assume it means triple measures of spirits for the price of a single measure xp
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
Ariel Pink isn't twee. They use the concept of the 'beta male' to move from Peep Show to AP to twee. Which is problematic, I think, but still coherent.
Triples-for-singles is, I assume, triple shots of alcohol for people without partners. But I'm extrapolating from context here, I've never actually seen such a thing advertised.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
xpost ah, Mencap has it, I suspect.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
I do always enjoy articles about how passive-aggressive 'nice' guys are raging assholes, this particular one didn't seem well argued tho.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
You do realise that the fact that you don't know who Tullycraft are doesn't reflect badly on the author of the piece? I'm not saying that it reflects badly on you (they're shit), but the fact that you seem to think it is some sort of flaw in the article that YOU don't know something, does make me wonder about the rest of your points.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
i thought triple measures for people who are single!
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
and can prove it in a voigt-kampf test involving images of happy couples
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
who is MikoMcha
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
emil.y, I think it is the responsibility of the writer to contextualize new information. he does a poor job of explaining why Tullycraft matter to Ariel Pink outside a vague stream of consciousness that they are both connected through this beta male construct. a better writer would do at least a cursory job of explaining the relevance between the two.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
but the fact that you seem to think it is some sort of flaw in the article that YOU don't know something
Yes, I think this is a flaw in the article.
oy i mean it's several incidences of a widespread phenomenon, the connecting link is basically 'these are the horizons of the (pop) culture i engage with'
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
it's the quietus ffs, by their standards this is pulitzer-worthy
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
i am happy i'm not the only one who'd never heard the term triples-for-singles.
tbh that entire paragraph about bookish 'niceness' seems to make about four leaps that we just have to accept to get with with wider argument.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
just another reminder that we expect so much less from music writing than we expect from other writing
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
Errr... why? Just a long time ILM reader, occasional poster.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
well i just wondered if you'd registered purely to defend ariel pink from charges of misogny
― human centipede hz (thomp), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I'm usually on hip-hop or dance music threads.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
twee and its attendant bookish 'niceness' is one of the guiding influences on the Amerophile Dalston aesthetic
yeah i don't really see this in dalston... i don't even see it in fashion to a great degree.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
Besides, I wasn't defending him, as you can read from my posts.
Why? They mention a band who lots of people do know about, they give the title of the song, which is fairly self-explanatory in its relevance, and then they discuss the pertinent gender issues surrounding such statements. Why is this a flaw instead of you bemoaning that their cultural reference points are not exactly the same as your own.
And I will restate, the article is not "look at these guys who are following Ariel Pink in their misogyny", the article is "Ariel Pink's recent misogynist comments are representative of a nasty undercurrent in the indie scene".
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Straight white cis dudes: "not defending Ariel Pink, just saying this article is shit because of oooh, all these terrible mistakes they've made, look, they mentioned a band I've never heard of, pshaw, how can anyone take this issue seriously if THESE are the standards?"
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
i think you're overlooking some pretty terrible ideas + arguments in that article bc you dislike Ariel Pink - many of which are terrible bc they have nothing to do w/ Ariel Pink!
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
i wish i could find a link to hopper's where the girls aren't, which i think ran a similar thesis about emo music but wasn't terrible
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
also, this is for sure more offensive than anything that seattle indie band has ever made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAQcNo9yWbM
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
Depends what you mean by "dislike Ariel Pink". I haven't heard the new one but his music is mostly great. I wish he wasn't an asshole.
Besides which, you're completely failing to read my posts: the article is not "look at these guys who are following Ariel Pink in their misogyny", the article is "Ariel Pink's recent misogynist comments are representative of a nasty undercurrent in the indie scene".
I am interested in this because I AM PART OF THE INDIE SCENE AND I KNOW IT TO BE TRUE. Which is why I wish there had been a better job made of dissociating "indie" and "twee" - they're both horribly misogynist, but I feel like their operant modes are rather different.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's tricky to begin with to make sweeping claims about a particular scene - but especially when it's unclear that the specifics of the scene are actually a part of said scene, or related at all. is indie just a synonym for twee? what does drinking heavily at a club have to do w/ ariel pink's psychotic home recording aesthetic? there's this beta male idea, but that crosses scenes + genres. the author could just as easily have said: ariel pink's beta male misogyny occurs throughout music including this emo band Cute is What We Aim For - and it would be equally coherent! which is to say, not really coherent at all.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
xp that's kinda the problem with the article though, it points in the general direction of the misogyny found in some subcultures (which particular ones, it's not quite clear), but without unwrapping that you get the people who know it's already the case filling the gaps and agreeing and the people who don't think there's a problem not seeing where the substance is.
― Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
I don't want to go through the piece line by line, but it's not just this one complaint. There's numerous leaps in logic here and assertions that aren't born out in the piece. for instance: "In fact, it's in some ways a visual analogue to twee indie-pop's greatest musical crime, Tullycraft's 'Pop Songs Your New Boyfriend's too Stupid to Know About'"
What is the visual analogue? "chinos and deck shoes meet satchels and rusting bikes?" what do chinos have to do w/ this Tullycraft song except that maybe one of the band members wears them? are ppl who ride rusting bikes more misogynistic than ppl who don't bike at all?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
There's always a moment in a thread where things begin to turn...
For the record, I agree that Ariel's comments are off-putting and offensive. Not sure about the other links in the article (I don't know about UK indie clubs), but for what it's worth indie scenes in my experience are often defined by the double-standards that this article is sketching out. Doesn't strike me as newsworthy in particular. That's why I don't hang out at those kinds of places.
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
article about itself in online music publication
― free-range chicken pox (Matt P), Monday, 24 September 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
is indie just a synonym for twee?
Try reading my posts.
what does drinking heavily at a club have to do w/ ariel pink's psychotic home recording aesthetic?
The article never said it did. It said that the beta male seduction technique is just as sexist as the boorish males of the meat market clubs.
there's this beta male idea, but that crosses scenes + genres.
Yes, it does. However, you're just throwing it in as a vague concept mentioned in passing, when "this beta male idea" is the central fucking point.
ariel pink's beta male misogyny occurs throughout music including this emo band Cute is What We Aim For - and it would be equally coherent! which is to say, not really coherent at all.
Yes, it could have said that. But it is not an emo magazine. Its audience are not predominantly emo kids. It is a call to examine privilege and pretence in its own backyard. A reference to an emo band would be pointing the finger, rather than attempting to address one's own problems.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
What is the visual analogue? "chinos and deck shoes meet satchels and rusting bikes?" what do chinos have to do w/ this Tullycraft song except that maybe one of the band members wears them?
There's this thing, it's called semiotics.
― emil.y, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm going to drop it. I don't think it's a particularly well written or argued article but I see that the point it is trying to make is important enough that stylistic concerns are irrelevant.
― Mordy, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
if anyone genuinely thinks chinos/deck shoes/rusting bikes somehow nails down a particular type of person or the things they are into, then that's sort of crazy.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 September 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
This album RULES
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 24 September 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the Mark from Peep Show reference was a good one because I've always read Pink in a similar way. But maybe I like his music so much that I'm reading things into it to try and convince myself that it's ok to listen to. I basically had to come to terms with all of this when I first heard the Doldrums and House Arrest because it's impossible to enjoy a song like West Coast Calamities or Every Night I Die at Miyagi's without dealing with the misogynistic lyrics. It seemed clear to me at the time that much of his work was devoted to exorcising the ugliest thoughts and feelings inside of him, and it's clear that it wasn't coming from somebody who feels good about himself. I mean calling him a creep seems kind of amazingly point-missing since most of his work deals with the very topic of feeling like a creep all of the time. He seems to me like a Kauffman-esque wrestling villain who sort of debases himself and makes the listener complicit in the process. I guess that's the definition of a troll, but trolls don't usually bundle their trolling along with awesome tunes.
― wk, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
While I'd agree that he's exploring some kind of debased persona through his music, I don't read his interviews that way. And if it's a joke, it's not a very good one.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I think a lot of that is right, and it's worth noting that his general persona had very different resonances and implications prior to being lumped into this narrative of indie PC indignation on the political credibility of whatever scene. That is, when around 2004-2006 when he was came across more explicitly as outsider music...
― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Thing is, Ariel is no longer an outsider, he's a feted indie star whose pronouncements are taken seriously. I do kinda resent the notion that his critics are uptight, self-righteous PC folk. Nobody is talking about banning him or saying you shouldn't listen to his music - indeed most of us are/were fans. Misogyny exists in the indie scene, let's talk about it.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
Bloody hell Stew you're now on my facebook news feed, via Beta-gate.
Time for me bed
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
Heh, dearie me! This is what bank holiday time-wasting leads to! Tomorrow, work, no more beta-gate. I think I've said everything I can say on this really. Ariel is a douche and deserves to be called out on his bullshit, but I still like his music, at least apart from the new album, which is largely pish.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
just started the article but kudos for the "lomo beck" moniker
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
I am a fan of ariel pink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
btw I wouldn't categorize pink as a cis white male or w/e he is like almost inhuman
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
highland park gollum
I'm about to read this article, but my mindset going in is: "Male-dominated rock 'n' roll scene full of dudes trying to get laid SHOCKER'.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
It's not like you at all to go into a debate like this having already decided what you believe, Adam.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not the only person that does that!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
I'm mostly going on the basis of the Flaming Lips/Erykah Badu thread and wondering what it would take for you to acknowledge the possibility that an indie musician doesn't necessarily have the most enlightened attitudes towards women.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
also the point might have a bit more traction if this wasn't an article about pretty much the least male-dominated 'rock'n'roll scene' available
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
do yall think it is possible that ariel's sister dying in a car accident has maybe given him something of madonna complex
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah im not saying he's not misogynist in his views. Clearly Ariel Pink is coming right out and saying some fucked up stuff. My main issue is with him wrapping it in a hip reference (Nerds) and then people treating it like it is a new approach. Isn't it more or less a rehash of the whole 'metrosexual' thing from 10 years ago?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
not with hair like that it isn't
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Normally I don't pay any attention to interviews, but this was funny.
Ariel Marcus Rosenberg was a child of divorce by the age of three, and he admits to being a troubled kid growing up in Louisiana. He was also obsessed with heavy metal, diving deeply into Morbid Angel, Metallica, and Christian Death. During a rough patch in junior high, he shipped out to Mexico City to stay with his cousins, where he first heard the Smiths and the Cure. When he went to live with his father and attend Beverly Hills High School, he sold off his metal collection and rebranded himself as a goth. It also marked his last dalliance with new music: “Metal was the last current thing I kept up with. After that, my listening was totally retro. My mind was closing itself off from the rest of the planet.” When he later goes on a diatribe about the state of modern music, he berates the likes of Alanis Morrissette and Natalie Imbruglia as if it’s still 1997.
This sounds like half the kids I knew growing up.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
Could someone link to the original Wire article? I guess the guy from Quietus couldn't be bothered. That feels like a real beta-journalist move, but what do I know.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, it looks like it's not available for computer.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
What's a good starting point for Ariel Pink? Not that I want to support him now that he's a gross miogynist or whatever, but I remember one of the members of Warpaint repping for him as something that she enjoyed.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
The Doldrums is my favorite, Before Today is also good.
...he berates the likes of Alanis Morrissette and Natalie Imbruglia as if it’s still 1997.
Ha.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
his next record will be even weirder
― spazzmatazz, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
'The Doldrums' is an alltime fave. I like the newie way more than I thought I would.
― Cragenham Craig (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Worn Copy is my fave
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
^
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
'Credit' is the one.
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
Big fan of Cable Access Follies
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 September 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. It's like a non-corny novelty record
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
"the least male-dominated 'rock'n'roll scene' available"
so what women should be happy because they have a sliver of a voice instead of less than that? 'never mind that you're seen as second-class citizens, girls, wild flag and tune-yards exist'
and i like both those bands but you get my point (i hope)
― maura, Thursday, 27 September 2012 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
I think that was in response to Adam's "male-dominated rock 'n' roll scene full of dudes trying to get laid SHOCKER!" post rather than in support of it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 September 2012 08:48 (eleven years ago) link
yes it was
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 27 September 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link
(and was referring [Britisher] tweepop rather than whatever it is WF and Tuneyards fit into)
― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 27 September 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link
The intro to "Credit" kills me every time. Dude should cut an album of fake consumer exchanges (cf also "Shnitzel Boogie".)
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 09:13 (eleven years ago) link
Life in LA.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 27 September 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
The intro to "Credit" kills me every time.
Hahaha, yes! Those three Paw Tracks CDs are all so great in their own way, Doldrums would definitely be my #1 pick. Haven't given the new one a 2nd listen yet.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
I listened to the Entire Ariel Pink Discography As Research in 2008, concluded that "Worn Copy" was my favourite and had my favourite songs on it in the context of Ariel's Thing, but in retrospect I'm unclear as to whether or not I actually like Ariel's music or have any place for it in my life except to put on to make fun of houseguests who are talking about the drugs they enjoy doing
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
that makes me sound like a narc maybe but something about cute homos chatting bout where they're gonna score drugs later just makes me reach for my Ariel records
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
Errr... not sure I can relate to any of that!
Doldrums for me is one of those records that reminds me of a particular time in my life, so sentimental value. I liked the other Paw Tracks ones, but only select tracks here and there. Before Today is consistently a solid record tho.
Have the new one, but this thread has actually put me off listening to it :/
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 September 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Errr... not sure I can relate to any of that!Me neither, was the point
― i thought it was an "edit" button. (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
Haha
Doldrums is my fave too, with Before Today and Mature Themes tied for second place. Everything else has its moments and spots of amazing/incredulous mess.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
Worn Copy gets to oppressive, House Arrest is good pop fun but spotty sometimes
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
scared famous 4 me
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 28 September 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
IM NOT REAL AND I WON'T CALL YOU
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
call me stupid (and sorry for coming late to the discussion) but why is talking about going on the prowl misogynist?
eg. man says 'i wanna chase some tail'. does that demean women or does that just make the man a bit shallow (in this instance....maybe a month ago he was in a serious and challenging relationship with an equal)?
was it the use of the words 'rape' and 'prey'? it might have been a brutal analogy but i get the idea ariel likes being grotesque. i don't think referring to women as 'prey' necessarily denies their agency. the women 'hunted down' could just as easily talk abt going out on the prowl and hunting down men on that same night.
tho wasnt ariel's whole pt that he DOESNT chase down/'rape', he charms. in which case, isnt HE decrying the 'chase'/'rape' scenario??
>>>"The "beta males" line didn't read to me as "let's get revenge on the alphas by slyly seducing girls with our intellect" thing but a "fuck alpha males, let me deploy the word 'prey' to compare them to predators"
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.)
^maybe it's a bit of both? 'i am an intellectual charmer, he is a predatory rapist'!
likewise, why is the discussion of hetero male sexual power struggles misogynist? it might not be about women's agency but does that matter? don't women compete for men too? it's just another pt of view
genuinely confused.
― no fear, Saturday, 17 November 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
is he really as influential as everyone says he is? i think we live in a post animal collective indie world, not ap. way more people heard feels, strawb jam, mpp than anything ap did.
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
keep in mind i love mature themes more than certain friends
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Not a week goes by that i don't read a variation on the phrase 'faded VHS memories' or see a music video that makes liberal use of FCP's "Bad TV" filter. I'm blaming that all on him just for the hell of it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
there are so many bands/solo artists, whatever over the past few years that sound like second rate Ariel knockoffs to me. ariel himself is part of the "post AC" world though too isn't he? he's like the alice cooper to AC's Zappa.
I sort of feel like AC took what they did as far as it can go and can't really see them inspiring any worthy imitators. The fact that Ariel's early stuff was deceivingly rough or under-realized I think probably led more people to want to do what he did but different or better.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
also solo artists are where it's at now.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
chillwave/hauntology didnt become a thing til 2010 right? when before today came out, but before its release?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
ac will/have already become the grateful dead of our generation
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
AP's been a going concern since before today. that was his first album to be annointed by Pitchfork, but his earlier albums were pretty big in the indie set iirc
― Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
but why him, and why the delayed response?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
I thought the whole Chillwave boom was in 2009 right after Merriweather Post Pavillion came out.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link
why him what? why are musicians inspired by a guy who is an incredible songwriter? delayed response - maybe because it's harder to copy what he did than it seems?
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:15 (ten years ago) link
so if ac is the beatles, ap is the velvet underground?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I guess '09 was the year of washed out, neon indian, carles chillwave article, etc. I don't think it's likely that those things were influenced by MPP that came out just a few months earlier.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link
AP is the bob dylan of his generation. other chillwave bands are the byrds, sonny & cher, etc. that emerged 3 or 4 years after dylan's debut.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link
ariel pink is the tiny tim of his generation
― brony orlando (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
i remember in that article he (and lots of others like james murphy) was seeing his influence on a lot of artistshttp://www.spin.com/articles/ariel-pink-in-praise-of-guilty-genius/ "Every time I hear her," he says of Grimes, "I hear a little of myself. It's obvious, but it's cool: You can see the potential for something." i think "obvious" is pushing it a bit on that one...
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
i think he's calling grimes' music "obvious" in the same sense that his own is - not that she's taking obvious inspiration from him
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
Pink isn't even a fraction of the singer or performer that Tiny Tim was. he obviously wins on the songwriting front though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
The tiny tim of today is like pomplamoose or something. pains me to say that because I love tiny tim, but in terms of gimmicky performer that got famous doing covers it fits.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
― wk, Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:45 PM (52 minutes ago)
the first round of obvious ariel pink imitators i remember showed up in 2008 or so, e.g. gary war's new ratheonport. at the same time, american indie garage bands were going nuts for super-shitty fidelity (in the wake of AP and times new viking, coming from very different directions) and massive amounts of reverb (a la oh sees & ty segall). 2009 saw a shift towards hazy/fuzzy nostalgia vibe surfing from folks like real estate and kurt vile.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
blank dogs also figure in there somewhere, drew a lot of attention in 2007 w ap-style take on uk post punk
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, definitely gary war. garage has always been shitty sounding though. since the original back from the grave bands, through to the mummies, etc. shitty sounding pop music with synths was something kind of new and different though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
I don't know, to me it's all about the songwriting. I think people underestimate that. it's not like pink invented vhs nostalgia or anything.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
no doubt, but there was a brief mid-to late 00s fascination with super shitty, teengenerate/early hellacopters-style recordings of indieish music: tnv, blank dogs, eat skull, psychedelic horseshit, the wavves, etc. we can't so soon have forgot those heady shitgaze nights?
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link
i don't see all that as ap-influenced by any means (i'd say blank dogs and gary war were), but with those ap reissues, the lo-fi boom helped clear room for more commercially viable versions of vaguely similar stuff a couple/few years later
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link
"See, I can hear my influence in this music," Pink shouts from the passenger seat, ignoring Emily as Coldplay's "Paradise" comes on the radio. "That over-melodiousness, that whole keyboard bit. That was all me. Seriously. They don't even realize." ^^^ there are bits like that a few places in the interview, made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
boards of canada seems relevant too. I think they were one of the first to popularize the idea of not just generic distorted lo-fi sound, but specifically evoking the sound of a bad classroom filmstrip or stretched out warbling tape. I don't know any of those bands you mentioned except for wavves who to me seem more generally punk rock. to me there's a distinct difference between a making a lo-fi recording because it's the punk rock thing to do and making a lo-fi recording of a type of music that's not typically meant to sound lo-fi.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
getting high in the morning will do that to you
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:28 (ten years ago) link
after reading that article i thought starting a thread called "artists that ariel pink could think were influenced by him weren't" , or something like that.
Broadcast comes to mind.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
"but weren't" damn where is the edit button.
xp yeah, i agree that the boc-like "bad filmstrip" aesthetic isn't present in, say, times new viking and their offsprings. they reach back more to gbv & sebadoh-style 90s lo-fi and decades of shitty garage/punk sonics. but it is there, at least in received and reinterpreted form, in blank dogs and gary war. also present in a less direct way in folks like matt mondanile (real estate/ducktails) jocking old vhs as the referent for an interst in fuzz, hiss, reverb and "hazy" nostalgia.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link
not sure why i'm arguing for this, tbh, just the way i remember it
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink though. Hey, Post Pink would have been a better genre name than chillwave.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink
oh yeah shit yeah. was just trying to locate postpink ground zero in 2008/2009. fuzz-splitting.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link
i remember thinking Before Today got a rave rating on Pitchfork because he had attained this status as an indie demi-god around that time, and Pitchfork wanted to keep up with the times. background being they had shat all over his entire discography years before.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link
lol, I just revisited some of the earlier parts of this thread and saw that dumb pitchfork doldrums review and googled nick sylvester since he sounded familiar and I thought he used to post here. I guess that idiot got his comeuppance.
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:30 (ten years ago) link
are you gonna look after my boys???????
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
I never realized that the videos for AYGLAMB, kate, and politely declined were all directed by the same guy who did those gi joe psa videos!
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
what's his name? cos he's probably more influential than AP
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
haha. eric fensler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fensler_Films
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
apparently he's a writer for Tim & Eric
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Two children are in a kitchen. In fairly unintelligibly slurred speech, the first boy says "You're not cooking.", the second boy responds "Yeah I do". The curtains in front of the stove catch on fire and the boy operating the stove tries to say the word "fire" but only stutters it instead, saying something along the lines of, "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baa-baaa-baaah." Blowtorch runs in, shouting "Porkchop Sandwiches!" This line is one of the most frequently quoted by fans, and Fensler has until recently sold T-shirts sporting the phrase. He arrives at the kitchen door and in a panic-ridden voice orders the children: "Oh shit, get the fuck out of here! What are you doing? Go, get the fuck out of here, you stupid idiots! Fuck, we're all dead! Get the fuck out!" His panicked tone of voice contrasts oddly with his calm body language. Outside, he tells them, "My God, did that smell good!" prompting a stream of gibberish from one of the boys. One of the boys says something along the lines of, "Detective, I did no going and then you tell me do things, I done runnin'..." This is met with Blowtorch's staring toward the camera, followed by a closeup of that same stare.[12]
― Stupor Fly, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
til it was "yeah i do" not "yeah dude"
― Sébastien, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
i'd really like to hear more anecdotal stories about ariel's meth use. ever since i read this thread, and that christopher owens interview where he says "we're on different drugs. i'm a junkie, ariel's up all the time bouncing off the walls," his whole cultivated aura of mystery and weirdness seems a lot less contrived. certainly explains the shit live shows and the sheer volume of his recorded work....i don't know
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
yep he was amazing 2nite
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 05:42 (ten years ago) link
Two new tracks with Jorge Elbrecht of Lansing-Dreiden fame
http://www.cmj.com/news/listen-ariel-pink-and-jorge-elbrecht-debut-two-new-songs/
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:46 (ten years ago) link
If anyone wants the lyrics and credits to these two songs:
http://i.imgur.com/06BhTnP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vuo0ttQ.jpg
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
Thanks! "No Real Friend" is my favorite AP song since the lo-fi days.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link
Tasty drums and keys on these tracks by dudes from the MGMT live band , Will Berman and James Richardson
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
whoa, awesome concert from sydney in march 2012 just recently uploaded with rough versions of Mature Themes songs, w totally different lyrics and titleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlziFDWy94&list=SP4h2XGENb6qh52Y1WQDkeJIaN7Po_O1e7
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 19 August 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link
ariel in 2011: "i want to be a talking head" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LxPVkhe8Y
2013: http://pitchfork.com/news/52176-watch-ariel-pink-guests-on-fox-news-program-red-eye/
hes happy now, thats good:)
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 8 September 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
unfortunately he only has a few moments on the Fox show
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Sunday, 8 September 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link
Ariel Pink is in bed and talks about bloody vaginas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjX6hjYSodo
― DDD, Saturday, 19 July 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
I wish that interview was ten times longer and in the middle the girl turned into an Oompa Loompa
― calstars, Sunday, 20 July 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link
wow what an asshole
http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
archie bunkercore
Besides the rampant misogyny, that story makes no sense at all.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
wish he would get off the smack and make more music
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Errr... not that the former makes sense either come to think of it. #confused
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
He should definitely quit doing interviews.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
no way - he needs to go on howard stern. could rival victoria jackson 2012
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
he loves howard, it could happen
He loves Howard? Where did you hear that?
― calstars, Thursday, 31 July 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link
So, I know people in the Pink camp and he has a new record coming out this fall that is supposedly the greatest thing he has ever done by far.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 1 August 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
Just saying. Love Grey Sunset.
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 03:36 (nine years ago) link
― kornrulez6969, Friday, August 1, 2014 6:03 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 04:20 (nine years ago) link
<333333 madonna and grime ethering this prick from both sides. DRAG HA!!!!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 10:43 (nine years ago) link
in what universe did ariel pink get ethered? pom pom will shut everyone up
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 10:49 (nine years ago) link
“I guess it’s called ’throwback,’ but the first record was so good because of the songs. It’s been a downward slide since … ’Ray of Light’ is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something.”
he's taking the piss/being rush limbaugh!! it's schtick
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link
Fuck grimes
― nostormo, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:44 (nine years ago) link
Who gives a fuck if it's a schtick, what a creep
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
he's like, semi-coherent and rambling half the time. it's creepy but do we really care what he says about stuff or expect him to be politically conscious and self-reflective?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
I don't know that I "care" but it's like wow he seems like a dick
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
A.P. is wrong about when the slide began. True Blue is a great album
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
If it is schtick it's massively tiresome and unfunny, I still like some of AP's music but the guy comes across as more and more dickish with every interview he gives.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
what's even more schticky is his bullshit psychedelia-fetishizing lo-fi music with lyrics about battleship and sausage. at least sun kil moon released an incredibly poignant album this year before kozelek decided to go full-troll on a band over sound bleed
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
ariel pink is def a total dick without a doubbt but i still fuck w/ those earlier albums. doldrums and worn copy are pretty amazing imo
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
house arrest too
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
i'm way over this dude
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
I still have not been to a live show worse than this guy.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
I saw him when he toured with Os Mutantes & was mildly amused by how much his live set sounded like his recordings. He's just gross though.
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
He badly sang over a cassette player or something and then threw a big grown manbaby temper tantrum over the bad sound. Fucking worst. Also, his early albums sucked as much as his new stuff, don't play yourselves.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
I like some of his songs a lot
sometimes it helps to just distinguish the records and the person, I think that applies here
but the trouble with knowing someone is a kind of a jerk is that then, once you know that, when you listen to their music you start to imagine their self-understanding as they listen to themselves and it gets gross, like breathing inside a rubber halloween mask- there's no more space because "the person" and "the art" got suffocatingly proximate.
that's why I like working on Shakespeare. we've got all this great art and know very, very little about him outside of the context of the art itself. it's nice to not know sometimes. Not that I would assume he would be a dick, but I'd just rather push off from the art.
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
I would rather only listen to music made by righteous and awesome people tbh
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
sure, it's a bonus definitely
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
i assume most of the time that maybe 40%-60% of the artists i listen to may not be pleasant people.
also i simply do not take it as a prerequisite for liking an artist that they must put on a great live performance
Also, his early albums sucked as much as his new stuff, don't play yourselves.
oh SHIT dude, thanks! you were right all along! thanks for engaging w/ my tastes enough that you realized i was just playing myself!! maybe i can list other albums i've enjoyed and you can tell me whether i'm mistaken?
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
I have never had the real-life experience of anybody listening to more than 2/3rds of a single Ariel Pink song before switching it off
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
That's completely at odds with marcos' taste
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link
Hey.. I enjoyed Can't Hear My Eyes... especially the ending is great..
Anyway, I thought it was already obvious that Ariel Pink seems happy saying polarizing/half-baked/easily misunderstood things as a "talking head". You know, since the beta male rape thing.
― DDD, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
This is so goddamn well put.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
I'm beginning to think that Ariel Pink is intentionally generating these blog-magnet misogynistic quotes just so people stop assuming that he's a woman
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
What's mysogynistic about not liking Madonna?
― calstars, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
It wouldn't necessarily be if this were the first example of stupid shit that he said
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure most people just assumed he was a pile of shit xp
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
booming post the tune is space
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
I dunno I have had absolutely no problem with deleting/selling/ignoring the music of Ariel Pink 50 Cent Chuck D R Kelly Stephin Merritt at the very moment they reveal themselves as terrible assholes / harass a friend / hit a teacher / etc. etc. etc. I never got the "love the art / hate the artist" argument, I just say "gbyeeeeee" and that's the end of it
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
godspeed black you emperor emperor emperor emperor emperor emperor
― astuteness isn't everything (wins), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
I wish they'd change their name to G'BYE!
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
http://cdn.thats-normal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bonnie-and-Caroline-clink-glasses.gif
― astuteness isn't everything (wins), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
fgti I felt the post was booming even though I generally align fretful good i.e. I'm with you, I don't listen to Burzum or Wagner, "there's plenty of great music by people who aren't pieces of shit" is my well-worn motto
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Imma let you finish fgti ;)
I see two constants in Ariel Pink's career: 1) He makes fantastic, unique music (even though I do prefer the early records), 2) Ever since he shot to fame he's been an asshole in nearly every interview he's done, plus shenanigans. He seems lost in his fame, and there's no excuse for assholeism. But it doesn't make me want to throw away his music, which is great.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink is not famous.
― everything, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
i feel like this dichotomy is always bizarrely stated on ilx, maybe bc that's how the puritans understand it. but it's not "the music is too good to ignore bc the person is bad" v. "the person is bad it's wrong to listen to the music (and besides there's other good music)." i don't feel any kind of moral involvement in the music i listen to (or movies i watch, games i play, etc). if the person is bad that can be an important part of the art - you don't need to separate them out - and it can even enrich your understanding of the artifact. there's no obligation to shield your eyes from the acts of evil men. just don't be a bad person yourself.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah, most 18th century authors were probably anti semites and couldn't care less about women suffrage.
Both Ariel Pink and Grimes are petty jerks nonetheless.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
grimes is not a petty jerk
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
wait why is Grimes a petty jerk?
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
Her break up with Arbutus was idiotic, selfish and petty.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:23 (nine years ago) link
Mordy otm
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
if you genuinely read the accusations against the-dream and deleted all your files of the-dream, or belatedly heard what lindsey buckingham's ex said about him in her memoir and tossed your copy of rumours, etc etc, than...that's cool! you should be proud of yourself. personally, i feel like telling myself "i don't supporting the creative efforts of bad people" would lead to me rationalizing things away to maintain that pious state (if no r kelly, no aerosmith? no chris brown, no james brown? michael jackson?). so instead i just try to not to assume valor on the part of artists just because of their work/pr, and if i do or do not want to listen to an album because i've heard something awful about them, so be it. there certainly have been artists whose charges against them were so noxious i didn't want to engage with their work, but stepping from that to "i don't support bad people" is just a degree of self-flattery i can't take. instead i have to settle for "don't assume people who've made creative works you enjoy are good people, and try to be respectful of possible victims in how you speak about their alleged abusers."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Please expand, because this is the first I've ever heard of her move away from that label being anything other than just a thing that happened.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:18 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea otm^^^. i mean i think for me personally there is definitely a limit on this, and to a point it interferes with my enjoyment of the work, but fucking seriously how sure and confident are you that every author you read, every movie you watch, every artist you enjoy, every musician you like, is an ethical person with acceptable views on all matters of importance to you? what is your filtering process? how do you make sure? do you give an artist the benefit of the doubt until some news story comes out that makes them sound like an asshole?
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
da croupier also otm xxp
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:34 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://twitter.com/elite_gz/status/411678740909809664
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
Oh, okay. Seems like she was owed $$$ and wasn't getting it, so I don't see why she's not within her rights to shit talk them on twitter about it.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
It's more complicated than that and from what I gather they did everything in their capacity to pay her in time and successfully so.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
that's really the wrong thread to be discussing this.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
james brooks =/= grimes last I checked. And maybe james brooks could weigh in a little better but my impression was that it was water-under-bridges?
The repeated refrain is that "all artists are assholes" or "50% of artists are assholes" but irl actually very very few artists are assholes, very fucking few people, and I talk shit about next-to-nobody
Loving that the Ariel Pink thread is about Grimes and the Grimes thread is about Madonna rn
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
She goes on and on about Arbutus in that twitter thread, its not just Brooks.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
do you work for Arbutus? it seems a weird thing for a private citizen to become upset over
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
wait, Arbutus won't hire private citizens?
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
i'm not upset about what happened really, just that her attitude wrt arbutus was despicable and that she is not the saint some people make her out to be. not the first time i accused her of that here.
i do agree with her when it comes to calling out ariel pink, to be fair.
also, what? private citizen?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
if Rob Ford were upset, T'ship could understand
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
(but I still get what T'ship meant and agree with it)
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
Was thinking private citizen vs public avenger
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
his albums are boring and his mouth is more boring, who cares.
― akm, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
just that her attitude wrt arbutus was despicable
I don't know any of the people who started/run Arbutus, but the common misconception that everyone who runs a diy/indie label with cool musicians is a decent person. Sooooo not the case sometimes.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
lmaooo forever at EG / DG being called boring in the context of a thread about Ariel fucking Pink
― fgti, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
it's true though!
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
I am not a huge Ariel Pink fan by any means but ... the thread that was just above this one in SNA is "top ten things winona ryder has done in life" -- there are multiple power dynamics at play -- yes, one is a man criticizing a woman, but the woman has way more power: fame, capital, fans -- than the man criticizing her. Can we not criticize celebrities whose ethnic/gender/racial identities are more historically marginalized than ours?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:15 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know people who are very close to the label, they have their fault sure but what Grimes did was hideous. Whatever.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link
Can we not criticize celebrities whose ethnic/gender/racial identities are more historically marginalized than ours?
you can, i just recommend putting more thought into it than ariel pink does
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link
His comments re: Madonna aren't any more misogynistic than some of the posts in that winona ryder thread is all I'm saying
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:27 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
scroll down in that twitter thread and you can find other arbutus artists defending them btw
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
who is james brooks?
― akm, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
the guy who co-developed the simpsons and wrote/directed broadcast news, terms of endearment and other fine films?
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
That's James L. Brooks.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
James Brooks is the guy that taught Pitchfork all about Kpop.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
*headdesks* i had no clue who the frontperson or whatever of elite gymnastics was thanks
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
"who is james brooks" is usually the most appropriate response to mentions of james brooks imo
― james brooks, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
are you the bobos in paradise guy?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
i couldn't imagine having an opinion about any of this
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure you actually do
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
in all fairness "james brooks" is correct because after all elite gymnastics does suck
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
there's a p high likelihood that that is actually him tbh
hi james
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
what if Ariel Pink was raped by Michael Jackson as a child?
― sugar in my mac and ciccone old (sarahell), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
Is that cover song he did for the Madonna tribute album any good?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
The line-up was quite interesting. I wanted it for Apollo Heights mostly.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
― sugar in my mac and ciccone old (sarahell), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:25 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:28 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Speaking as a fan, no.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
james if that was actually you, if nothing else i've always appreciated that your twitter avi is holly hunter as GJ from top of the lake, that series ruled
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
No post on thi forum managed to clearly explin how critising maddonas music is mysogynist yet btw
bullshit move calling ariel a misogynist on fuckin twitter because your bff is now working somehow w/ madonna.
can we have some chritian kindness aournd here? snoop calling iggy a cunt, grimes calling ariel a dickhead, whats wrong with people
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
i do think people rush to say "misogynist" when "sexist" might be more appropriate
just part of the general tendency of people to go for the jugular really quickly In This Day And Age Of Twitter Etc.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
pink's specific criticisms of madonna weren't necessarily sexist (=she doesn't make good music anymore) but he couched them in language that has strongly sexist and ageist overtones
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'd be more inclined to believe people who claim they still don't understand why some took offense if they at least grasped the sentence people took the most offense with. clue: it wasn't the one about how her first album was her best.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
or rather, i'd believe it was a failing on the offended's part some still don't get it
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
i guess i just don't get why so many people on social media feel it's their sworn duty to (often hyperbolically) police every instance of offensive language. i imagine it's exhausting.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
personally i'm cooler with what was once called the pc police than the dumb-asses who say shit that set off the alarms
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
esp when they don't apologize and instead complain about the pc police saying such mean things about them
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
well yeah, obv ariel pink is the asshole here. but the whole 24-hr-outrage cycle seems so unhelpful most of the time
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
asking people to be less offended by offensive comments strikes me as less helpful
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
i'm not asking anyone to do anything!
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
cant wait til pom pom comes out so we can talk about his music
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
certainly not "be less offended"!
does all of ILX have reading comprehension difficulties lately or is it just a case of willful misreading in order to start an argument?
you're posting online that you find it unhelpful and that you're unsympathetic to "people on social media (who) feel it's their sworn duty to (often hyperbolically) police every instance of offensive language."
I'm not denying that I don't also need to take a break from all the uproar, but - as that's really easy for a guy like me to do - i just do it rather than ask people to stop crusading against shitty stuff
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
xp oh man just over a month til the release of one of the worst albums of 2014 that will prob still get BNMed and otherwise lauded b/c he's on-brand hipsterati and they are not gonna walk back on that now
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
i didn't ask people to do anything! i understand why people are offended, i just don't get why some people seem to feel that they have to publically respond to any and every offensive public utterance. that does not mean i don't think they should, or that i'm telling them not to. how hard is this to comprehend?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
xpost, again
the distinction between "asking people to tone it down a notch" and "posting online about how you don't understand why people don't tone it down a notch" feels pretty semantic imo
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
i mean, yes you're not literally posting on someone's "i am outraged by this butthead" facebook post and saying "why are you posting this? take a nap." i get that.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
i guess i'm just saying i don't get why people feel the need to announce online that other people are being too pc police online
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
do people ever do things that you personally don't understand why they do, but you don't object to them doing that thing?
the only thing i "object" to about grimes's tweet is what i believe is its hyperbole. but i don't object to her posting it. i just can't imagine myself doing the same thing.
i apologize for any misunderstanding. i'll leave the thread since this discussion is probably even more boring for everyone else as it is for me.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
yes, but i think it's ironic you claim not to understand why people would be hyperbolic on the internet when you describe grimes as one of those people on social media (who) feel it's their sworn duty to (often hyperbolically) police every instance of offensive language. like...that's hyperbole too.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
if you had said "i don't understand people who feel like they have to put melted cheese on everything" i wouldn't have balked (or at least not as much, cheese is awesome) but in this case i think you're not being fair to people that are coming from a good place and often doing a lot of good
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link
the melted cheese people are doing plenty of good fuiud
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
well i said "not as much"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
One of you, I can't figure out who, needs more sugar in your Mac and cheese
― calstars, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
at least Pink and Grimes have one thing in common:they both think Madonna sucks now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnUH7wnW30#t=287
― nostormo, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
MARKERS SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT A BLINK 182 LIVE DVD
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
I wonder if she’d cover “I Miss You” with me.
― markers, Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link
whoah, just checked out "Black Ballerina"
it's an Ariel Pink song in which the male protagonist is the hapless ingenue victim of rapacious strippers and pandering older touts- that's some A+ trolling served on a warm bed of Devo-meets-Cameo lite funk
not going to do him any favors re: allegations of misogyny
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 05:19 (nine years ago) link
Ariel's an insane drug-addict. I don't think accusations of misogyny even register with someone like him.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 05:53 (nine years ago) link
I mean, he's inspired by a guy who wrote a creeptastic love song about lusting after a 10yo girl that dares to be catchy. That boy ain't right.
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 05:59 (nine years ago) link
ill take an insane drug-addict pop savant over almost anyone
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:48 (nine years ago) link
oh my god people are saying this is the White Album of our generation FUCK YES!!!!! new song is incredible
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 09:51 (nine years ago) link
lol @ "he's an insane addict, he's not right, he's a badman", is this a Christian parenting board??
Time to drop some truth bombs. Black Ballerina: fun. The spoken-word interlude: Classic AP skit, obviously trying to break taboos. The "misogynistic" outbursts and the contrived "beef" with Grimes: Convenient PR for his new album, and I don't think he doesn't register the hate towards him. It seems like people have been hating on him his whole career and he learned to roll along with it. (Strictly speaking about his public image, persona, work and whatnot here, I don't know how AP behaves in private, but for now I don't care.)
― DDD, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 10:28 (nine years ago) link
The song is ok I guess,But I prefer Serious Pink upon "humorous" Pink.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
I agree. I also prefer serious Pink. I also prefer serious Zappa over "humorous" Zappa.
I also prefer serious Prince over "sexy" Prince.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
xpost someone is fucking joking if theyre calling anything by ariel pink the white album of any generation
don't we have enough late-period beatles/psychedelia revivalism btw? like wasn't tame impala good enough? (to be fair i like tame impala)
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
i think that was meant as sarcastic or something..
― nostormo, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
these days such hyperbole wouldn't surprise me if it was real, but I prob should've considered that possibility
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
If you said a month ago Ariel Pink was going to cause Grimes to self-ether I would have been like, no that won't happen.
Taken in by the levels of funk present in Black Ballerina.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
more funky or less funky than that travi$ scott record tho
in any case listening to it now and this is kind of like early lonely island if they were less self-aware tbqh
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
Black Ballerina is about as funky as a John Deere commercial
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
Arial and Travis would go together like Chip and Dale - they're both talented artists and musicians who wear cowboy hats.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:54 (nine years ago) link
Good job I hate funk then
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
black ballerinas sounds like someone trying to be dam-funk and ending up ween-does-midnight-vultures
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
that's a good description for it
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
oh got to the part where groundskeeper willie takes milhouse to the strip club
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
it's phunky and phunny like phish
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
haha this is really an amazing punchline to all the "insiders" on this thread who have been on some "yo god i had crazy visions ariel's new joint is gonna get 5 mics in the source" lmao
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
aaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha DONE
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
what era Chip and Dale features Dale in a cowboy hat bc it sure as hell ain't Rescue Rangers era Chip and Dale
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link
http://www.studioscentral.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/attraction_gallery_large/chip-dale.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
rolling fedora 2011
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
more like chip and chip
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link
http://kennythepirate.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/chip-n-dale-2.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
all of the disney characters wear cowboy hats in frontierland tho
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/27/pink-slips
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
Pink was particularly irked that his criticism of Madonna had been deemed misogynistic, a charge that he has faced before. “Everybody’s a victim, except for small, white, nice guys who just want to make their moms proud and touch some boobies,” he said. His publicist gave up.
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
“I’ve been the next big thing for, like, ten years now,” Pink said. He wore an unbuttoned plaid shirt over a plunging V-neck, with splotches of red nail polish on both thumbs. “I feel really old.”
Conversations with Pink tend to veer off course. “I love pedophiles. And I love necrophiliacs,” he once told an interviewer, who had asked about neither. In the car, Pink began to explain his feelings of persecution while fingering a cigarette with one hand and scrolling Twitter with the other. “What if I committed suicide and tweeted, ‘Thank you, guys. You were right’?” he said, of Twitter’s mob mentality, which he then equated with the Hutu Power movement.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AR3ymSEZL.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
That New Yorker piece is surreal, I love it
― DDD, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
Dude should join gamergate from the sounds of it. Fight those SJW's keeping him down!
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
he wants to be Fred Phelps. good for him
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
Black Ballerina is so incredible. This is the SIGN O THE TIMES of our generation
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
Dreaming of John maus / a pink "4 way street" side 1 cover
― calstars, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:22 (nine years ago) link
"We'd like to introduce our friend John maus"
― calstars, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:23 (nine years ago) link
Maus busts out "believer", crowd stunned
Hey, does anyone know who did this song originally?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2D18nHlKY
― 3×5, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
is it a rick springfield cover?
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
the best track yet for me is not enough violence
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
Pig Parade rules
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
not a rick springfield cover sadly
― jamiesummerz, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
Well, this certainly veers from great to awful and back a whole lot
― Simon H., Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:37 (nine years ago) link
crazy album, totally overwhelming, reminds me of Mellon Collie
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
there's one bad song on this whole thing
ONE BAD SONG
"Exile On Frog Street"
the rest is a very high piece of art
― hackshaw, Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
I kept being reminded of Ween.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:06 (nine years ago) link
come on don the doggy collar bet your bottom dollar come on take your rotten panties off you juicy belladonna pardon misses dolly parton condeleeza turn me on bet your bottom dolly rotten dollars all i got to spend
eleVAtors
manuFACturers
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:37 (nine years ago) link
Guys-
Ariel Pink Announces Solo Double Album pom pom !
― nostormo, Thursday, 23 October 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
Yeah. This thread is for discussing Grimes.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 23 October 2014 04:19 (nine years ago) link
new panda bear ep!
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 23 October 2014 05:09 (nine years ago) link
ok ok ok ok ok (this album)..wow.
I would like to say that I have no interest in working with mermaids /[fakereceivedpronunciationenglishaccent]
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 23 October 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
This sounds like Mr Bungle
― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Friday, 24 October 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
elo vs. tubeway army
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 24 October 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
Sounds more like Zappa than ever. They weren't lying about this being his magnum opus though. Pretty much untouchable record.
― Pentenema Karten, Friday, 24 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
Half good half shit.
― nostormo, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
Where's the shit?
― Pentenema Karten, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
curious to hear it. enjoyed "before today" and "mature themes" is okay but i really do feel like a substantial part of the AP appeal for me was having these weird pop tunes submerged in hazy lo-fi crud, i actually did feel like the production served his tunes really well, that whole aesthetic can suck for a lot of other bands but for his shtick i think it really worked.
― marcos, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
I want to know what filters Pink uses on his voice, or microphones. The delivery on "Cocaine man has got a Portabello world" for example.
― Pentenema Karten, Friday, 24 October 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
Haha holy shit this record! Ariel really Zappa-ing out the very best of his tune-smithery and shenanigans. This beats BT and MT by miles and miles. And yet it's not a return to Doldrums either. I can see why he left off the Haunted Gaffitii part of the name for this. As it is truly something else, even for him and his extensive back catalogue. Continues to amaze, this guy.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 October 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
So many songs on this that are instant classics. 'Picture me gone' for one. Amazing.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
"Plastic Raincoats in the Pig Parade" is so so incredibly sad for such an upbeat song.
― Pentenema Karten, Friday, 24 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
Jell-O is the best song in the history of the universe right now. Whatever universe. The sound of the band Yellow combined with maximum riffage combined with teenage Cobain like lyrics ("mom and dad are normal, everyone eats white bread, that's why they're all dead"), combined with stadium rock, combined with Beefheartian style switches... I am perplexed: as a long time follower, Ariel Pink gone done it again.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 October 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
This kind of sounds like the old ones, but doesn't. It's the best of his "new style." I've been wanting the same thing.
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 24 October 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
who wants to go to the emotional olympics!!?!boooo
― Pentenema Karten, Friday, 24 October 2014 23:26 (nine years ago) link
All these descriptions are really making me want to hear this. I think he's always had a latent Zappa sensibility, so it's cool that it's coming to the fore now
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Saturday, 25 October 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
Each song is a mini-masterpiece that blossoms with each listen. Magnum opus indeed!
― Pentenema Karten, Saturday, 25 October 2014 01:01 (nine years ago) link
pom pom is also noticeably LOUDER than most everything in my iTunes... a/b-ing with Mature Themes is crazy
― Pentenema Karten, Saturday, 25 October 2014 07:11 (nine years ago) link
Jell-O is the best song in the history of the universe right now
That whole side (side 3 on the vinyl?) is my favorite. "Sticky cubes of Kool-Aid action"
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 October 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
I miss the more personal,intimate Ariel Pink songs, like Gray Sunset, The People I'm Not etc...It seems he somewhat lost it in a Todd Rundgren's Wizard True Star kinda way.
― nostormo, Saturday, 25 October 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
but thats todd's masterpiece
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 25 October 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink Performs "Jell-o" and "Picture Me Gone" with P.S. 22 Chorus of Fifth Graders
― Amory Blaine, Monday, 27 October 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link
Looking like a Cool Dad right there
― DDD, Monday, 27 October 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
" Like, you guys can burn me on the stake for being an asshole. I'll be the biggest asshole, the biggest troll. I love the [infamously homophobic] Westboro Baptist Church, because I love being able to remind people that this a country where you can say, "You're going to go to hell," and you won't go to jail. People hate that. They hate that these people are allowed to do what they're doing, but they're just exercising their free speech, and it doesn't hurt you. They're just inciting. They're trying to play into your weaknesses, and they're doing it very well, because they're going to get your revenge fantasy on them. And you'll do it carelessly without any remorse, because you didn't get the right message from the lesson, and because everybody's just getting lost in the fucking giant miasma of opinions, and there's no sense to be made out of them."
update interview: http://pitchfork.com/features/update/9498-ariel-pink/
― Raccoon Tanuki, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
haven't heard the new album yet but if ilx is touting it despite pink's odious personality it must be something special
― Mordy, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
xpost why does every dipshit that holds that opinion act like he's the first to have it
has ariel found out about 4chan yet?
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
someone made dizzy by the contours of a pretzel might be impressed by that opinion
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
dude has eaten some cosmic shape-shifter pretzels
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
this formula 1 track is complicated, but imagine if it were as complicated as a pretzel!!!http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/05/monticello.jpg
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
it's amazing how much of an asshole this talented man is
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
surely assholeness in humans is far more common than talent?
― Mordy, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
he has both in concentrated doses
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
and they react to produce yawns
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
"pom pom" is the first album where he sounds 100 percent sure of himself. almost like he turned into the fake rock star he imagined in his head decades ago.
the asshole/troll stance goes right along with it too
― hackshaw, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, October 27, 2014 10:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Amory Blaine, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:35 (nine years ago) link
there is so much sadness in this album. it's haunting... the mood swings just within "Sexual Athletics," the 'sex king' rock strut pose, the delusions, then the xylophone section... "all i wanted was a girlfriend all of my life" ...
― Pentenema Karten, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link
AP is playing the heel to promote this album, he's doing Ann Coulter and it's working.
― Pentenema Karten, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link
My good friend knows AP very well. I told him to tell him to take it easy with these wacky interviews, he's getting people angry and my friend laughed and said "he doesn't give a fuck."
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
yeah the whole thing has the queasy end of the world feeling to it. just totally baffling. even the joke songs sound totally menacing
― hackshaw, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
I mean, we're not likely to see AP live another 10 years, it feels like.
― Pentenema Karten, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
I had a dream he did UK Celebrity Big Brother last night
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 10:34 (nine years ago) link
the first half of this record is much better than the second imo, when he goes all zappa-ish. (except for Picture Me Gone and Dayzed Inn Daydreams, which are good too).
― nostormo, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 13:34 (nine years ago) link
also, was he married to porn star Alisa Daniels?or is it just the same name..
― nostormo, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 13:36 (nine years ago) link
I'm blown away by the samples on this. The Gremlins theme song in Dinosaur Carebears is my fave. And what in the fresh hell is the source of that excited gibberish at the end of Negativ Ed??
― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
Is it too soon to call this AP's 'Trout Mask Replica'? It probably is, yet I do think ultimately this is the case.
No small feat to return to your lo-fi roots after two hit 'hi-fi'-albums and turning everything inside out again. I still don't love nearly half of the cuts on here, but can already feel the lure, knowing I will love them soon. The easy to love songs just pull you in, and then there's no way back but to love the shit out of this.
― Amory Blaine, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Another thing- The sound recording on this album is really really good. Haven't heard an album mixed and engineered as well as this in long time.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
still haven't heard it but yea even the doldrums or worn copy have ton of crap on them, but for me the crap is all part of the big picture imo with this dude. i am worried though that i know too much about AP now that might affect how i hear it. not talking exclusively about the sexist dumbfuckery that he spouts all the time, i mean that's part of it for sure, but more just that i think i kind of enjoyed his music more when i didn't know too much about him, that he just seemed like some anonymous weirdo savant putting out all these bizarre muffled lo-fi pop songs contributed more to the whole "haunted graffiti" aesthetic, with these songs all being these ghost shells of 60s, 70s, and 80s pop hits i heard on the radio growing up. i still appreciate his general zappa-esque quirkiness but tbh some of those older albums, before i knew much about AP, creeped me out in a way that was really interesting and intriguing.
― marcos, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
i mean "before today" is really good but i never identified with all the "wow AP finally puts these songs through some proper production and makes his definitive album!" bullshit. the fact that so many of the early albums were half-finished songs, shitty recordings, etc. was always part of the picture for me. those early versions of "round and round" are creepy as fuck, and yes they are not the pop masterpiece that "round and round" ended up being but their rough qualities served an aesthetic really, really well. that aesthetic was always the most intriguing part of AP imo
― marcos, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
but this
No small feat to return to your lo-fi roots after two hit 'hi-fi'-albums and turning everything inside out again.
― marcos, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link
It is not Trout Mask. Let's not exaggerate.It does somewhat return to his lo fi roots with the main difference that he is much more confident and less humble (and that's a disadvantage imo)
― nostormo, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/E4GyEbj.jpg
― nostormo, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
those covers are amazing.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
pom pom is hi-fi according to that chart
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
or higher-fi anyway
that chart is bullshit
― nostormo, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
maybe it's a "beginner's guide" in the sense that an aspiring professional guide maker made it
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
pom pom sounds like it was recorded not too differently to the previous one, just mixed to sound like a 5th generation cassette
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
Not saying it is Trout Mask Replica, but it is [his Trout Mask Replica. The epic culmination of AP in his Todd Rundgren 'Wizard, True Star' phase, going all out, not caring about reputation. This is that album. It's certainly not flawless, far from it, but he certainly seems to have followed his gut instinct, instead of easily going with the band and current success. He didn't choose the easy way out, and instead did what he wants to do. I applaud that.
― Amory Blaine, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
So many sound effects and hidden treasures. "Not Enough Violence" is an incredible, incredible song.
― Pentenema Karten, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:24 (nine years ago) link
"Dayzed Inn Daydreams" made me choke up earlier....
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:55 (nine years ago) link
I think comparing it to "A Wizard, a True Star" is more apt than "Trout Mask Replica".
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 04:57 (nine years ago) link
just noticed the reference "A Day in the Life" in "Exile on Frog Street"
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 06:21 (nine years ago) link
"Picture Me Gone" reminds me of Magnetic Fields
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 12:02 (nine years ago) link
also, was he married to porn star Alisa Daniels?
In that New Yorker blurb-file he says he is dating a porn star who used to be on Charlie Sheen's bench.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:17 (nine years ago) link
He was definitely married to an Alisa though, per his classic song - "Alisa"
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
I understand the arguments and disappointment from people who crave the "mystery insane dude cranking out lo-fi tapes of 60s/70s/80s pop ghosts," but I'd rather have both because I think AP is a brilliant songwriter. The aesthetics and the recording quality can't mask a shit song.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
hope someone washed that bench before sitting on it iirc
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/533-who-said-it-ariel-pink-and-glenn-beck-face-off-out-of-context/
this the guy anointed by sizable portions of the hipsterati as the new frank zappa huh, tf did zappa do to deserve that
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Also lol at Ariel Pink being on the same planet as Zappa as a musician, composer, and arranger. I say that as a lukewarm Zappa fan at best.
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
it seems to alternate between FZ and basically any psychedelia merchant of yesteryear
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
i don't quite get the zappa comparison
zappa was an intellectual and a muso who seemed intent on proving that, ariel pink seems more of a self-conscious primitive (which zappa tried to be on some occasions)
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link
i guess the connection is that both do "pastiche," and have a number of musical personalities. and that's true, but in very different ways.
can't wait for the Twitter police to get really tiffed over that article.
"wow people like this ariel pink person? why i never!!!!"
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
ariel has more of a pop heart than zappa. i think a better comparison would be Pollard. class melodicism put together in shambles
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
Sounds like the Tubes to me. Or Bobby Conn.
― everything, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah i think pollard is a much closer comparison
bobby conn--ouch. i never got that guy's appeal. and he was everywhere in chicago ca. late 1990s.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
he seemed like the archetypical hipster musical poseur to me.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:26 (nine years ago) link
uh i mean archetypal
man let it never be said that this dude doesn't have a deeeedicated fanbase who will bend over backwards to find bonafides for him
all for the man who wrote schnitzel boogie
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
yeah i like much of his music but some of the fawning on here seems over the top
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
I gave that record a listen and it's as good as most Zappa I've heard, I get the fawning praise. Luckily Zappa's the worst, so
― fgti, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Not down with people saying how great it sounds. The sound quality on this is poor compared with whoever people are comparing it too upthread - Rundgren, Zappa, Tubes, whatever. Listened to it last night really loud on a fantastic system and it sounded like flat, bombastic computer music. He's transitioned from one form of shitty sound quality to a different, more subtle form of shitty sound quality.
― everything, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
bobby conn is cool
― sarahell, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Lover_Boy.jpg
― Evan, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
yea that chart was dumb as fuck, about as dumb as the term "hypnogogic pop" and other bullshit wire-isms, but yea the covers are pretty amazing
― marcos, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
I guess I can see where people get the Zappa thing from - there are elements that make them sound like certain Zappa songs. Haven't listened enough to really identify too many specific examples but eg. Negativ Ed has the tubular bells, tempo, descending bass riffs and challenging vocals as Teenage Prostitute.
― everything, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
yea that chart was dumb as fuck, about as dumb as the term "hypnogogic pop" and other bullshit wire-isms
hahah otm
― sarahell, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink always made me think of Skafish. I love Ariel Pink and the first Skafish record is a masterpiece but Frank Zappa is just vile, I kind of like some of his records though
― soref, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
Bobby Conn rules and his band is awesome and AP is still a long way from anything as good as "The Golden Age".
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
I agree with that. But I also love Zappa.
― everything, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link
people do love this guy, me included. he'll forever be divisive in music circles but i really hadn't heard anything quite like those first albums when they first entered my world.
hipster bullshit, the son of a millionaire gastroenterologist slumming it in outsider clothes, a gadfly seeking attention etc
whatever you think of him he just is
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
The "Mom and dad are normal" section of Jell-O has a real strong '67-'68 Mothers of Invention vibe.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
Big differences is Zappa felt like he really sneered at his targets and held authority in general in contempt. AP doesn't seem that much into anything.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
amoral white sociopaths rarely are
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link
He looks pretty into My Little Pony from what I can see.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link
The Zappa comparisons have nothing to do with AP's songwriting, just his style.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
I feel the style thing to a degree but Zappa's vibe is so different, his sort of "I'm smarter than you" sarcasm and mocking thing, plus he was sort of hyper professional as a band leader, very savvy businessman etc, whereas Ariel's whole vibe is more erratic, fragile
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
Also tbh a lot of Ariel's supposed "enigmatic" behavior etc sometimes seems a lot like a dude that is on drugs than anything
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
there was a written testimony from the Flaming Lips sound man awhile ago warning festival organizers that Ariel and his band were pretty heavy heroin users. i can't seem to find it anymore though
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
ariel pink does drugs?
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
yes, and his fans love him for it
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
damn... i'll be praying for him
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
but srsly how many more minutes will we have with ariel? 6? maybe 7? *saliva pools on computer desk*
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
drugs
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
In September ariel tried reefer 4 the very first timeNow he's doing horse, it's June
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
I found him passed out in an alleyway once and when he groaned at me after I nudged him with my foot I was like "you....have some cool songs" and left
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
jesus christ
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:09
the golden age is fuckin ace. Pitchfork gave it like a 2
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
FRECKLES FRECKLES WHERED U GET THOSE FRECKLE STENCILS DID U PAINT THEM ON? WHITE FRECKLES WHITE FRECKLES
― phil phish (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
"drug-sick sadness" -p4k
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
i mean the chorus in the first song on pom pom is "all over the world / cocaine man has got a Portabello girl"
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
all the early stuff sounds like he was tweaked out on speed
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Have a good question for Ariel? Post it here. I can't guarantee an answer but he will see it. Serious questions only.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 30 October 2014 00:00 (nine years ago) link
How will your songwriting evolve in the wake of #gamergate?
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 30 October 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
Serious question: What is the refrain of "Every Night I Die at Miyagis" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alD4uGj6rQ
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 30 October 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
Can't you just google the lyrics?
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 30 October 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link
Ask him if he has any plans to do a visual album. I loved loved loved those early AP music videos - the ones with the retro VHS look before it got all super popular. It would be cool to have a DVD of AP videos.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 October 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's all conjecture, house arrest doesn't have a lyric sheet. even the acoustic version from npr, it's impossible to hear what he says after "off in the world" ... "the girl's a jerk" ? "the girls adjourn" ?
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 30 October 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
I would like to know what Ariel Pink is reading and what he thinks of it.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 30 October 2014 03:34 (nine years ago) link
he's reading twitter
― mookieproof, Thursday, 30 October 2014 03:46 (nine years ago) link
Ariel is there a deep meaning behind schnitzel boogie or are you just a dumbass junkie troll riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave of randomly encountered adoration by listeners eager for even more music that sounds warm and psychedelic and lo-fi-ish as if we don't have enough of that bye
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 30 October 2014 12:48 (nine years ago) link
Serious question: when will you appear on Red Eye again?
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 30 October 2014 13:05 (nine years ago) link
Also, I'm surprised AP's band are serious heroin users, they seem like the classic hapless backing band that has to put up with an insane and irresponsible bandleader, and all the while remain totally professional and poker-faced.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
Do you hang out with Kurt Heasley often?
― Evan, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
no surprise about the heroin and other drug use, i thought this was already well-documented
― marcos, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:42 (nine years ago) link
feel like heard something about giant ziplock bags full of weed or something too, i could be wrong.
― marcos, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
tbf though i kind of assume most musicians smoke a lot of weed
Friend of a friend helped organize a show with AP in Brooklyn three or four years ago. He demanded the guarantee up front or something, in cash. It was about 5k. They wrapped each stack with a ribbon so there would be no dispute. Naturally, next day, Pink harangues them, saying he was shorted. Supposedly spent it all on meth and I guess heroin.
― Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
I don't really get a heroin vibe from his music though, it sounds very speedy to me, too.
― Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Did an A/B with the last album he made, man the new one is SO MUCH BETTER. Better mixing, better melodies, better songwriting. There were always weak spots on his records cos there seemed to be a lot of information going on. It's ironic that he goes ahead and does a double album and it is the tightest, most well-crafted thing he has done yet!
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:06 (nine years ago) link
i like "put your number in my phone" a lot more than black ballerina
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Thanks for the laugh.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
no thank you RT
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
the second half of Schnitzel Boogie actually does resemble a nod
― Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
n/p u2
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:20 (nine years ago) link
✓
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
(tick for the 2n half of that song)
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Bobby Conn, Zappa, The Tubes, Stevie r. Moore... yeah.
but let us not neglect the strange and wonderful Nick Nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuf3rD_pczs
― nostormo, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
who wants to go to the emotional olympics????
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
Depends, are you gonna look after my boys?
― DDD, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
i'll politely decline
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
Can we at least get high in the morning?
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link
Thinking up Ariel Pink puns is harder than I thought
― DDD, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
Is it so hard it makes you want to die at Myagi's every night?
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
hardcore puns are fun it's just like chewing gum
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Hmm, these puns are delivering some Interesting Results.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
can't wait to see how well this is received
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 7 November 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
It's like Christmas for Ariel Pink insanityhttp://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/15/ariel-pink-pom-pom-4ad
http://www.spin.com/articles/ariel-pink-pom-pom-interview-eurythmics/
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 15 November 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Woah he looks just like Michael Monroe from Hanoi Rocks in that Guardian pic
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 November 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Ariel is right about a lot. Not everything, but a lot.
― Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
this almost brought the tears:
“I think I’ve given you enough,” he says finally, picking up his Camels as if he’s packing up a stall. I feel he’s tired of me, of interviews, of the whole world. As he goes to leave, he makes an untypically straightforward plea. “Don’t make me into a weird caricature of myself. I’m trying to be an individual, I’m not guarded. We should be able to air stuff without being hunted down.”
The most hated man in indie rock half turns back to me: “Just… say something nice.”
― hackshaw, Saturday, 15 November 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link
Claiming "picking up his Camels as if he's packing up a POLL" for my Ariel Pink poll in 2018. Love this cat.
― Liquid Plejades, Sunday, 16 November 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
i love how p4k leads with this pic every time something happens
http://i.imgur.com/gPuji58.jpg
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 16 November 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
it almost brings the tears
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 16 November 2014 01:37 (nine years ago) link
Picture my gone sounds like
http://youtu.be/3tD6FayGPyw
― calstars, Sunday, 16 November 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
Kind of funny to discover all my favorite songs on this were actually written by Kim Fowley.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
"I was only repeating what Interscope told me about why they needed me. They’re not my opinions. It’s clickbait journalism. The media lies to us all the time, and we always believe the media. Then Grimes – who’s completely stupid and retarded to believe any of it – jumps in and has her two cents. I’m not a misogynist. Maybe she’s angry that I’m the male version of her, who was at 4AD before her.”
grimes hates men
― Raccoon Tanuki, Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
guys, black ballerina is actually about ethics in gaming journalism
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
can someone start the Ariel Pink biopic already just to make a scene for the above quote i posted.
― hackshaw, Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
alex ross perry should prob direct it, he's v skilled at painting nuanced but excoriating pictures of american chauvinist art-narcissists
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
This thread is getting really creepy
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 November 2014 03:25 (nine years ago) link
creepier than its subject?
― mookieproof, Monday, 17 November 2014 03:42 (nine years ago) link
cocaine man's got the portabello girl
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 17 November 2014 05:49 (nine years ago) link
I'm just waiting to see what he has to do to finally get the majority of the hipsterati to despise him. short of actual crimes I'd rather not joke about (yet honestly wouldn't put past him if he's a junkie), I feel like it's gotta be vocal support for alex jones or some shit. or gamergate.
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Monday, 17 November 2014 12:00 (nine years ago) link
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. dude is a total asshole and is wrong about pretty much everything except making somewhat good and interesting music.
― marcos, Monday, 17 November 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Kind of surprised he's got a pretty low Meteoritic score right now.
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 17 November 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
what is it with some people still railing against hipsterism in 2014, as if it's a thing that actually exists anymore? the koons is you!
― Cousin Slappy, Monday, 17 November 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link
i mean, i suppose the people who jumped aboard his train with "round & round" and the haunted graffiti releases and would fall into the stereotypes one invokes w/that term have probably left him behind at this point, leaving behind mostly the TROO BELIEVERZ who dug him from the beginning and have all the rerequisite street cred
for the record im neither for or against hipsterdom (whether it exists or not) - its a reductive term i sometimes still use as shorthand, sue me
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
*shrugs*
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
I don't know if it's me that's changed, or Ariel that's changed, or...it's just that I listen to pom pom and feel nothing. I've never felt this about any other album of his.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
The filler on this has really exhausted itself for me. There are three stone cold classics - "Put Your Number in My Phone," "Black Ballerina," and "Dayzed Inn Daydreams."
― Pentenema Karten, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:00 (nine years ago) link
Why does the Spotify release sound about 1/2 as quiet and booming as the leak? (yes I have HQ streaming premium)
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
Wait, it's only noticable on some songs, like Plastic Raincoats and Lipstick are really noticably quieter, but white frekles and four shadows are not
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:15 (nine years ago) link
Because the leaked version is brickwalled to shit
― DDD, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
Why?
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
xpost nah that doesn't make sense, b/c plastic raincoats is noticably quieter than white freckles
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 14:25 (nine years ago) link
Oh, now I get it. Sorry. You meant the leaked version is actually quieter than the Spotify version, right?
Judging by the leaked version, the Spotify version must sound terrible then
― DDD, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
From Stereogum:
"raptor jesus | Posted on Nov 18th +10Do you like joy Doris? Do you like to smile? Grin? Giggle?
As a comparison point, I’m constantly reminded of The Fiery Furnaces’ “Blueberry Boat” as another album I’ve heard that’s long, all over the place, joyous and maybe a little off-putting by the odd lyrics. I think “pom pom” is 100% more accessible than “Blueberry Boat” but they both have those moments in the songs where they flip the script and never look back.
The first time I listened to the album, I thought “Jell-O” and “Nude Beach A Go-Go” were jokes and filler tracks. Then days later, I found myself humming the melodies and singing the lyrics. Now, I consider them essential tracks and easily the most fun songs on the album. Every time “Jell-O” starts now, I scream right along with Ariel with that huge cartoonish “YEEEAAAHHHH!” Same with the “Yeah!” at the end of “Nude Beach A Go-Go” SO MUCH FUN!
But it’s not all FUN! “Four Shadows” / “Not Enough Violence” / “Picture Me Gone” invert the fun times, creating this beautiful balance between light and dark. I’m usually overwhelmed and exhausted after hearing “Not Enough Violence” but then “Put Your Number in my Phone” sweeps in and takes me back to a happy place.
How about that break down in “Sexual Athletics” where right when you think it’s going to break open, the TV channel gets switched and it’s like Ariel’s doing a Spiritualized verse with, one of my favorite lyrics, “All I wanted was a girlfriend all my life… but she’s too sexual.” Then the drums kick in and it’s like an Animal Collective song. Lots of covered ground in that song alone.
But really, there’s a quick litmus test, do you like “Black Ballerina”? Because I think it’s one of the best songs of 2014 easily. If not, then… I don’t know what to tell you. Also, if you aren’t smiling while listening to this album, something isn’t working."
Comparing pom pom to Blueberry Boat is o_O
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
xpost no I mean a selction of songs on the spotify are very quieter than the leak *and* the rest of the spotify songs. someone went in and did this to a selection of the songs but not all, my q is why?
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
alright lets get this over with *rolls up ears*
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
I like a lot of pink's music, have listened to his stuff for a long time, seen him live quite a bit etc etc and I don't like this album at all. To my ears, there's nothing that interesting sonically. At first it was weird how John maus-y this was but then I realized that it's probably what happens when you apply pink's aesthetic to a solo project
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
Although I was singing white freckles while making coffee this morning so who knows
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
i just A/B'd them tanooki, i'm not hearing it.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
I like a lot of pink's music, have listened to his stuff for a long time, seen him live quite a bit etc etc and I don't like this album at all. To my ears, there's nothing that interesting sonically
totally agree. felt the same way about mature themes (liked that one at first but grew very tired of it almost immediately). just not very interesting.
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
yeah I wasn't too into mature themes either but for whatever reason, for me, Live It Up really coheres into something that's instantly compelling
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
there's always been something, at the very least like one track in an album, that's made me go "holy shit!!!"
For whatever reason, he's been able to achieve, at times, a completely unique atmosphere that I actively want to exist in, but there's really nothing on pom pom that does that, and, to take it a step further, there's nothing on pom pom that seems like it would be rewarding if I were to stay with it in an attempt to understand what I'm not understanding
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
just listened to this album and it kinda blew away my expectations tbh. the kid is talented.
― example (crüt), Friday, 21 November 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
he's 36
have some respect
― Number None, Friday, 21 November 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
I feel similarly. I don't really feeling like revisiting this. I'm over the wacky Ariel stuff for the most part and the "good" songs don't hold a candle to something like "Among Dreams" or "Strange Fires."
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 21 November 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link
It's interesting that Doldrums really isn't that silly at all. I'd like to see it get some recognition so many years on.
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 21 November 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link
It's too lo fi for that to happen
― nostormo, Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
the doldrums is his saddest record, there isn't anything like "hardcore pops are fun" or "jules lost his jewels" or "are you gonna look after my boys?" it's just straight up isolation sickness. the title track is one of my favorites and underrated i feel...
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
Yeah as I said i miss his more personal sincere stuffBut i got used to Pom Pom and I try not to compare those 2 different periods.Both are great (though not perfect) imo, for different reasons.
― nostormo, Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:31 (nine years ago) link
did anyone see him on his first apparently "disastrous" tours in 2004/2005?
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:34 (nine years ago) link
Did he play live alone back then?
― nostormo, Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link
i think it was a mix, but there's an LA Weekly feature from 2005 that says he played with a band that was under-rehearsed because he couldn't pay them
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 22 November 2014 00:50 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/6553-the-doldrums/
Different I said?Amazing how most things didn't change..Change the low score and remove some lo fi references and..magic!
― nostormo, Saturday, 22 November 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
his band was really really good when I saw them in 2010
― example (crüt), Saturday, 22 November 2014 01:14 (nine years ago) link
I saw him around 2006 (I think) and it was great! I've still got the super-faded t-shirt from that tour.
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 22 November 2014 12:59 (nine years ago) link
I got into him when I saw the video for "Kate I Wait" in 2005. Saw him a year or two later on the tour where he had a different band in every venue. At the show he alternated between having the band back him up and karaoke-ing to his backing tapes, using a Tascam 4-track on stage.
My friends in LA were at a show of his last night and I saw some clips and it was sort of the same. Mix of live band and backing tapes.
I listened back to Mature Themes and think the new one is WAY better. The production is better and the songwriting is too as a result. Songs that maybe started out as tangents are fleshed out with tighter vocal arrangements and stuff. Some songs on his old albums had a few good ideas but they were perhaps front-loaded and once the initial idea is spent sort of seem superfluous. The new record feels like maybe they used that approach for writing the material but the final mixes and arrangements are nailed down.
"Four Shadows" is my favorite song on this. I love that time signature change into the chorus, as well as those "Things that go bump in the night" backing vocals.
Does someone else sing a line on "Negativ Ed"? Sounds like a guest singer for a line or two...
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 22 November 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I really wanted to hate the new one, but it really is the best he's done in a long time. Before Today was boring, didn't even bother with Mature Themes.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 November 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
I mean, holy shit, this shit is awesome.
― what_have_you, Sunday, 23 November 2014 05:14 (nine years ago) link
undiscovered ariel pink track, guess one of the ones he made when he was 8 years old:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmmWYyIlBs0
― moneyma$e, Monday, 22 December 2014 04:22 (nine years ago) link
I'm really happy about Pom Pom. There are at least 6 songs on here that are as good as anything he did in his more lo-fi days. I think A.P. is going to survive the transition to Hi-Fi, unlike other bands who have tried, and promptly fell off (The Clientele, anyone?)
― 3×5, Thursday, 1 January 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkOsSBMKguY
― DDD, Thursday, 22 January 2015 11:35 (nine years ago) link
Anyone went to see him live?Should I go?
― nostormo, Friday, 6 March 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
definitely go. he is one of the worst frontmen i've ever seen, but his band is TOPS and the songs are amazing. and his singing is in tune
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Friday, 6 March 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
Lol now I'm confused..
― nostormo, Friday, 6 March 2015 01:55 (nine years ago) link
he doesn't bound around the stage or anything, really it depends on what/if any drugs he scored before the show. i'm so fucking bummed i missed him due to weather last week because judging by the setlist he got some good shit (pom pom in its entirety plus half a dozen oldies & 3 song encore. they even did round & round)
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Friday, 6 March 2015 02:17 (nine years ago) link
you should go! he might be dead in a year
saw him in 2010 in nyc and lucked out an a great setlist/performance. such a great show when he's on
― soyrev, Friday, 6 March 2015 05:53 (nine years ago) link
can everyone stop saying he'll be dead with a year on this thread plz
― PaulTMA, Friday, 6 March 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
friends who went to a show of his last month said it was great
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 March 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xjeft2ydQ
Feel like "Any Downers" by Zappa has a real strong presence on the new Ariel Pink, particularly the first half of the album.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 13 April 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
psyched
http://pitchfork.com/news/62104-ariel-pink-shares-new-track-hall-of-screams-putting-out-collaboration-with-dev-hynes/
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/359954/26691571/1448252947580/IMG_3178a.jpg
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
Ariel Pink produced an album that came out last Friday:
https://play.spotify.com/album/0o3MmKQ304daCZGvHhLG8a?play=true&utm_source=open.spotify.com&utm_medium=open
It's decent.
More info: http://www.allmusic.com/album/phases-mw0002923916
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
Ariel sings lead on this new song by the charlatan Michael Collins aka Drug Dealer or whatever. it's good
http://pitchfork.com/news/67374-hear-ariel-pink-on-drugdealers-new-song-easy-to-forget/
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
miss these days
― Treeship, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:38 (seven years ago) link
youu could play this and ppl would ask "what's that" and you could tell them and they wouldn't be filled with disgust.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
i mean, except for the interlude at 1:40
― Treeship, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link
'everytime i die at miyagis' is one of my very favourite songs
― flopson, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link
haha i had forgotten how stupid the interlude in this one was. immature spoken word Ariel Pink interludes would be a good poll
doubt many ppl irl know that he's verboten now, tbh
― flopson, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:24 (seven years ago) link
he's never said anything particularly bad anyway
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link
I was in the mood for some early Ariel earlier today
― calstars, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:06 (seven years ago) link
once every so often some friends and i will be chilling listening to AP and inevitably one of us will ask 'what your fav AP song?". the interlude in miyagis always forces me to dig deep and pick another song. so for that i appreciate it.
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:10 (seven years ago) link
i like how his impulse toward self-sabotage is evident even in his songs
― Treeship, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
I'll confess, the interlude in black ballerina still cracks me up
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
my favorite is from "Hang on to Life" but I'm not sure it's not Jorge Elbrecht and not AP:
Hey man, what's the latest?She did what?How could she think that's cool?Can't believe these girls, man
― calstars, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:33 (seven years ago) link
Lettuce, tomatoes only, please
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 00:48 (seven years ago) link
spoken intro to "don't talk to strangers" is the best, it's like his thesis statement
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 01:33 (seven years ago) link
I meant "the best" as in great, not literally
messageboards
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 01:35 (seven years ago) link
my gf recently pointed out that the voice at the end of 'are you gonna look after my boys?' is saying 'exit stage right'
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
― flopson, woensdag 26 oktober 2016 1:19 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 07:29 (seven years ago) link
Now that I've heard AP and Maus in a bar I feel like I can retire
― calstars, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
Omg, where?
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
i once heard the crystal castles' song "plague" at the brooks brothers in palmer square in princeton. i mentioned this on ilx before and no one seemed to think it was notable.
― Treeship, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
it must have been a fluke though because it was followed up by the red hot chili peppers, which was really jarring
― calstars, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
A bartender with good taste in music is a rare bird
― calstars, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
Thought you meant you saw them play together... Am revoking most, but not all, of my initial enthusiastic response.
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
john maus and ariel pink (and some others) have made it so i can't put my spotify "daily mixes" on in the store where i work anymore. for some unknown reason spotify insists on playing "every night i die at miyagis" and "just wait till next year," the latter of which contains radically misogynistic lyrics
― Treeship, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
Did you think A and J were slumming it at some local shit hole?
― calstars, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
In a perfect world they would be
― calstars, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
I did :-S
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
You can click 'x' and remove songs from those playlists iirc? Your customers deserve to hear Miyagis. Everyone does.
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
'Every Night at Miyagis' might be Ariel Pink's best song, completely transcendent and believable as a lost AM radio hit, but it has that chop u bloody punani vagina me feast on placenta bit in the bridge. #BeYourself #FollowYourDreams
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
btw, one of the guys in Animal Collective posted this pic of a window in LA a few months ago with the caption: "Was standing in a LA parking lot with ariel pink last weekend when he pointed at this nearby window and said 'thats the room where i recorded house arrest, loverboy, scared famous, ff, and worn copy.'"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQqjpXAFStP/?taken-by=anmlcollective&hl=en
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
'every night i die at miyagis'* xp
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
Good hashtags Flappy :)
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 22 April 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
The police's "darkness" sounds like a Before Today b-side
― calstars, Saturday, 6 May 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
new song "Another Weekend"https://soundcloud.com/mexicansummer/ariel-pink-another-weekend-1
7" coming out in August with b-side "Ode to the Goat (Thank You)"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
yusss
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
NiceAlso on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/track/48LY9e7CmnQRt1baqNwQYl
― calstars, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
Immersive sun-drenched faded 70s polaroid golden am radio Ariel is one of my three fave Ariel's. I dig this.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
More than that. This is a fantastic tune.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
It spaced me out on first listen and I couldn't even trap it all in my head. That's a good sign
― calstars, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
Def. Also a good sign: I can listen to it on repeat for an hour. Classic Ariel, this. Glad he's "back". (I didn't care too much for Pom Pom)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
Agreed. PP was a miss
― calstars, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
wha???????????????????????
pom pom is his magnum opus... he finally blew his lo-fi sensibility up to widescreen, the first two 4AD records were dry runs... i'm shocked any AP fan wouldn't love pom pom. Before Today and Mature Themes I get.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
tbf big sprawling messy double albums that allow artists to stretch out and experiment and explore more of their personality are absolutely my shit. i wouldn't cut a song from The White Album.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
Haha, heart you Flappy but we'll have to agree to disagree. Pom Pom is trite, over the top widescreen (yes! and this is a bad thing!) drivel. The Doldrums is his trve magnum opus. But he's been fantastic after that (Can't Hear My Eyes alone, sheesh, sheer magic). Pom Pom burned too many bridges, and didn't come up with a new path to stick to. A 'return' (albeit one from the now, from 2017), to his lo-fi sensibility can only be applauded.
(Lo-fi or hi-fi though, if he gets back to writing tunes as strong as the new one, I couldn't care either way: widescreen or cassette it, it's fantastic)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
it's too goofy and clean sounding, it doesn't have the foggy texture of the earlier stuff, the songs aren't a patch on his earlier ones, (i really like dayzed in daydreams, though), just not as enjoyable for me. it's like someone turned the lights on and the buzz has worn off.
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
(pom pom, i mean)
need more foggy texture
― calstars, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:49 (six years ago) link
i liked pom pom when it came out but now quite a bit of it is completely unlistenable, it's too long and pushes his most irritating goofy tendencies to the forefront
it was better than mature themes & i don't have a problem with the cleaner production at all, the good stuff on it is really good
new song is nice
― ufo, Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
― calstars, Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:49 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
My feeling about Pom Pom is that it would've worked better as a series of singles and EPs
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link
not sure Pom Pom is that clear sounding as it sounds like it was mastered to TDK D120
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
he only ever has a few good songs per album imo
― flopson, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
not sure Pom Pom is that clear sounding as it sounds like it was mastered to TDK D120― PaulTMA, Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:56 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― PaulTMA, Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:56 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah this is otm, it's very saturated and claustrophobic. 'Put Your Number in My Phone' is wide-screen, re-listening last night I realized my opinion of the record was shaded by hearing that single on its own for a few months before the record. I love the way pom pom sounds but this new song is properly wide-screen, it has so much more space. feel like this is going to be a reflective, plain-spoken period for AP, the kind of record that would be self-titled with a weary portrait on the cover.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
black ballerina ruins that whole album
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 8 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
that song bangs, career highlight
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
love Pom Pom. Four Shadows is my jam. all those synths interlocking like a goth pyramid
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
I go back to Before Today on a regular basis but never to Mature or Pom
― calstars, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
same
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
Ban
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
New album September 15
http://media.pitchfork.com/photos/594a8cc805d15f7602c74992/master/pass/arielpinknewalbumcvover500x500.jpg
1. Time to Meet Your God2. Feels Like Heaven3. Death Patrol4. Santa’s in The Closet5. Dedicated to Bobby Jameson6. Time to Live7. Another Weekend8. I Wanna Be Young9. Bubblegum Dreams10. Dreamdate Narcissist11. Kitchen Witch12. Do Yourself a Favor13. Acting (feat. Dam-Funk)
The album’s title makes a direct and heartfelt reference to a real-life L.A. musician, long presumed dead, who resurfaced online in 2007 after 35 reclusive years to pen his autobiography and tragic life story in a series of blogs and YouTube tirades. “His book and life resonated with me to such a degree,” Pink states, “that I felt a need to dedicate my latest record to him.”Dedicated to Bobby Jameson begins at the end and ends at the beginning. “We follow the protagonist through a battery of tests and milestones, the first of which sees him reborn into life out of death,” Pink explains, referencing the opening track “Time To Meet Your God.” “From there, he seesaws his way between the innocent love and the rock- solid edifice of childhood-worn trauma that together constitute his lifelong initiation into the realm of artifice and theatrical disposability.
Dedicated to Bobby Jameson begins at the end and ends at the beginning. “We follow the protagonist through a battery of tests and milestones, the first of which sees him reborn into life out of death,” Pink explains, referencing the opening track “Time To Meet Your God.” “From there, he seesaws his way between the innocent love and the rock- solid edifice of childhood-worn trauma that together constitute his lifelong initiation into the realm of artifice and theatrical disposability.
Video for "Another Weekend"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwe76N7J0EI
― woman in the dunes, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
Fantastic news! Great cover, too.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
sick
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
it would be sweet if "Do Yourself a Favor" was a cover of the Prince song
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
love these song titles. Santa's in the Closet. Kitchen Witch. Death Patrol. feel very much along lines of Fright Night maybe more of that goth rock flavor. i can't wait to listen to this!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
weird that "Acting" is included here when it was on a D-F album 2 years ago
― frogbs, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
I assume it's a different version or mix. Azealia Banks put out a cover of "Nude Beach A-Go-Go" before pom pom came out.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
a friend of mine that's a big ap superfan says there are some old songs on here, too - "I Wanna Be Young."
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
I think "Death Patrol" was the one in the fashion commercial.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
Another song off the new album. Love this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sooWCSfO9t0
― woman in the dunes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
Fuck that's good
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
wow, that's great, I hope he's kept up the quality of these tracks for the whole album
production is fantastic on this, it's a much more stylised and listenable version of his early lo-fi sound, probably the best sound he's ever had
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
Whoa. Another home run imo. Total Video Killed The Radio Star vibes. This is shaping up really, really nicely.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
I'm wondering if I heard a different track than you guys
― calstars, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
def seems like a throwaway
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
this is a load of shit
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
the og video is taken offline? idgi
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
This leaked.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link
It's good. The annoying tracks are really annoying, though. There's one about santa claus that does nothing for me. I kind of expected that from the title.
Funnily enough I listened to Pom Pom and Mature Themes last night and had the same thought...in equal parts brilliant and annoying
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
What is the ratio of brilliant to annoying on the new one?
― Moodles, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
Wow, 2 months early. I'd rather wait...
― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
The brilliant/annoying balance on this seems closer to, say, Before Today than the last two. But you may wanna skip the first song
― bunny slopes, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
Ariel Stinks
― calstars, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
First song, while pretty annoying, has nothing on the Santa song. First song is more along the lines of your typical throwaway Ariel song.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
shit, I've been getting Before Today vibes from the singles. That blows. Last 2 are my favorites by him
― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't worry too much. It's full of good songs. He wouldn't be Ariel without the jokey throwaway songs.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
Not a single "jokey throwaway" song on The Doldrums, his best album by a mile.
Not sure if I'm better off postponing or listening to it now. First reactions here are not encouraging.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
Album is great and not as goofy as his last two. Definitely contains at least three or four career highlights and is pretty consistently good in a way that reminds me, again, of Before Today
― bunny slopes, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
The Doldrums is my favorite Ariel Pink album, but he's released a variety of albums since that are most certainly full of those types of songs, particularly the last two.
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 14 July 2017 00:23 (six years ago) link
And I absolutely love Pom Pom, so I'm ok with that.
Yeah the first track sounds like a Maus thing
― calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 00:56 (six years ago) link
i don't get the appeal. I hear weak melodies and recycling of old ideas. Reminds me of Mature Themes, which imo is his weakest big label album.
― nostormo, Friday, 14 July 2017 05:50 (six years ago) link
"Kitchen Witch" is very good
But the title track seems to be the "round and round" of the album. I dig the Doors homage near the end
I wonder if Tim Koh plays on this
― calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
I imagine he's on most of it, Koh has been with him for 15+ years, maybe 20...
― flappy bird, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
skypin' with momus
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19959229_10158940216610117_964633508581819906_n.jpg?oh=3983ad704f7523cb56706173e0e3fd54&oe=5A035B2E
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
Ha, I'd watch that
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/07/12/ariel-pink-on-the-science-of-music/
Greg Gutfield lol
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
lol I forgot that he went on Red Eye in 2013
― flappy bird, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
Who's singing on kitchen witch?
― calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
i think dayzed inn daydreams is one of the best songs of 2014
― Treeship, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
I think this album is pretty disappointing.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
Time to Meet Your God rules. i like the album ok but i think it's mixed poorly. for instance Bubblegum Dreams feels like it should be all spikey and crystalline and it sounds a bit flat and over-compressed instead. Pom Pom had way more texture to it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 July 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
I think "acting" is really good too
― calstars, Saturday, 22 July 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, July 21, 2017 7:13 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuck... the mixing was my biggest problem with Before Today besides the grab bag sequencing... i loved Mature Themes and Pom Pom because they sounded so precise and clear.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 22 July 2017 04:00 (six years ago) link
Jesus fuck I listened to five minutes of that Greg Gutfield thing I think half of my brain died how dumb can 2 motherfuckers be?
I dug Before Today but I guess maybe this dude isn't for me
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 July 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link
Flappy, you don't think "bright lit" "Beverley" and "lestat" from Before sound clear? (Dare I say crisp)?
Also the muddiness of "hot tub" and even "menopause" kind of work in their favor
"Phanthasma" is a good b-side
― calstars, Saturday, 22 July 2017 09:32 (six years ago) link
Jesus fuck I listened to five minutes of that Greg Gutfield thing I think half of my brain died how dumb can 2 motherfuckers be?I dug Before Today but I guess maybe this dude isn't for me
Dude the early stuff really is way better
― brimstead, Saturday, 22 July 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
The whole album has a lot more reverb than Mature Themes or Pom Pom. They're "well produced," but I don't think it serves the songs. It's very desaturated sounding to me. Mature Themes and Pom Pom are full band but there's a directness and a dryness to them that resembles his early work. I agree that Hot Body Rub and Menopause Man are served well by the production - those are two of my favorites from Before Today (Beverly Kills is my favorite song but I far prefer the early version).
― flappy bird, Sunday, 23 July 2017 03:38 (six years ago) link
The messiness of his early work and his recording process - the little vocal interjections, lots of call and response panning, two seconds of some instrument that never reappears - are all over Mature Themes and Pom Pom. I find the production on Before Today very boring, common, flat, Phil Spector-y in the worst way at times.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 23 July 2017 03:40 (six years ago) link
After several spins:I Wanna Be Young and Kitchen Witch are great. Feels Like Heaven is ok. Don't care about the rest.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
Long interview on stereogum today
― calstars, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
The phrase "Kitchen Witch" is used ia few times in the Office s9e17. Wonder if he took that or if it's just general cultural osmosis
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
I haven't heard the leak - but a friend told me that there's another instance on the album of AP totally aping a vocal melody from a famous song. Wish I could remember what song.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Time To Live = Video Killed The Radio Star's verse
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
I know about that one, it's a track that hasn't been released as a single. I texted my friend, waiting to hear back...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
AP twitter says there are 4 b-sides comin with the vinyl, could it be one of those?
― calstars, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
Did a vinyl rip leak? My friend heard whatever y'all have been talking about.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link
OK, my friend says one of the songs on here cops the guitar/chords and a bit of the vocal from "Son of a Gun" by the Vaselines.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Bubblegum Dreams definitely bears a strong resemblance at times.
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:35 (six years ago) link
yeah i think he even sings up up up and down at one point
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:39 (six years ago) link
― calstars, dinsdag 25 juli 2017 17:44 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah. If you want to hear AP explain why Trump is a "success" and how unfair the president's being treated - as he is himself (his words) - do check it out. I sure wish I hadn't.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 08:27 (six years ago) link
its interesting that he went back to home recording for this one. but it sounds like his last couple of studio records just w worse sonics. its not like the tape wobble and noise and saturation of his old stuff, they probably bought a bunch of nice microphones and a good multitrack machine. so its sort-of lofi but not really. why not do it on a crappy tape machine like the old days?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
Long interview on stereogum today― calstars, dinsdag 25 juli 2017 17:44 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkYeah. If you want to hear AP explain why Trump is a "success" and how unfair the president's being treated - as he is himself (his words) - do check it out. I sure wish I hadn't.
It was so long I had to take a break last night... certainly a throwback to the pom pom interviews...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
eh his defense of Trump is pretty tepid. AP seems like either not a very bright guy or a garden-variety troll who just seeks out "difficult" opinions but he makes cool music so
― frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
After years and years of following him I think the answer def is 'not very bright'. But he indeed makes very cool music.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
he's a contrarian & a troll, i mean in 2015 he went on stage and compared himself to Sandusky and Jimmy Savile. he's very good at what he does - making music - & i don't mind him mouthing off... although i was hoping this album cycle would be a bit more mellow and earnest, and it has been so far. i feel like the press tour is getting to him. he admitted as much in the Greg Gutfeld interview and this new one that he called the record Dedicated to Bobby Jameson so that he wouldn't have to talk about himself.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
ok done with this fuckface.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
itt: ilx's own little slice of reddit
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
lol what
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
This guy is nuts btw
he's not that nuts. he's pretty boring and sane irl. he's a rich jew from beverly hills. he's never worked in his life. and now he's spouting pro trump mra bullshit. fuckkkkkk him.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
That's why interviews like this don't seem like a big deal to me - I don't need Ariel Pink's political beliefs to align with mine, because he is a crazy person.
― bunny slopes, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
responding to brimstead there
― bunny slopes, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
i mean he's drug damaged but a lot of it is for show.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
he's crazy like the way beck was during mellow gold except he never grew out of it.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
like you think a dude would make it 4 years through cal arts if he was legit "insane" he is "quirky" at best.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:20 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm the dude still does speed, i'm surprised he isn't more burnt out
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
Listened to 'A Heap Of Rotting Cassettes' radio show bootleg for the first time and realised that the title track is a reworking of what is known there as 'Time Dandelion'.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
who would've thought the guy who opened a 2003 album by yelling "The human race is a pile of dogshit!" quickly followed by "Mankind is a nazi" would say something stupid
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
me feast on placenta placenta
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
xxpost yeah my friend told me that the chorus lyric for the title track is another old song title, in addition to the music being a reworking of Time Dandelion.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
"The human race is a pile of dogshit!" quickly followed by "Mankind is a nazi"
misanthropic declarations in rock music does not equal right wing mra rhetoric
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
did you read any of the pom pom press? he was completely off his rocker a few years ago... i'll never forget this, easily the most mind-boggling quote from that era:
"I could be an asshole, and that’s my right. People need to get over that. It’s not illegal to be an asshole. It’s not illegal to be racist, even. It’s not illegal to do anything."
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
why is that a "crazy" thing to say and not just a dickhead thing? no one is calling tj miller "crazy." you guys are giving this dude way too much of a pass, this is saying that as (former) fan.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
like there's absolutely nothing in that quote that would indicate the man is mentally unstable or "off his rocker."
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
otm
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
i'm not "giving him a pass," i just don't give a shit. he's been a contrarian troll his entire career. he's not rallying the pepes like ann coulter or milo. he's an asshole in interviews. i don't care. i love his music.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
cool
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
but yeah you are like "LOOK HOW OFF HIS ROCKER HE IS" and then posted a totally milquetoast quote just sayin
that quote is one of a dozen i could cite, whether you want to call a habitual meth smoker "off his rocker" is up to you, but whatever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1t6cQO3RXo
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
compared to 2014/15, he was more off than on his rocker than he is now, barring that Stereogum interview, which is so much more mild than the shit he said during the pom pom press cycle.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
and btw... I don't think any of this shit is cool, it's just not going to stop me from listening to his records.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
lots of people use, it doesn't equate to craziness.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:20 PM (one hour ago)
what about geneva jacuzzi? are they cut from the same cloth?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
nah she's norm.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
I've set fire to all my AP mp3s since reading that interview ffs
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
based on stories, i don't think either of them are mentally ill, just normies that aren't very intelligent that do drugs and want to "act crazy" because it's cool or something ..
― sarahell, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
These days I tend to think of Ariel Pink as the harbinger of Burger Records culture.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
I think of him as the logical conclusion to American Apparel culture
― sarahell, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
Sounds like the perfect crossover point either way!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
Geneva Jacuzzi should have kept the name Bubonic Plague imo
― tong poo (da ba dee) (crüt), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
Geneva Jacuzzi ruleZ
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link
Isn't burger records just like garage rock, do they put out lofi soft rock?
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
Why does this idiot make ppl so mad, my word
Still love his old records, more anecdotes from the posters in the scene though and I may stop loving then
― brimstead, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/amp/#ampshare=http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link
the production/mix of the busier, more dense tracks on pom pom and the new one is kind of hard to listen to.. dunno how to describe it - it's very claustrophobic, the sounds don't really breathe? or they're very compressed-sounding. "another weekend" sounds great, though
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 27 July 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark
love this moment
― calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
humanity's the devil
― calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
One part of the interview I thought was interesting was when he mentioned that the music gets done first and the lyrics last.
― calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
Assuming it's Dam on Acting ?
― calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:50 (six years ago) link
Is this guy really a norm? He really got me with the whole outsider art for the mentally thing.
― carpet_kaiser, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
*ill
xxp yeah it is
― flappy bird, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:38 (six years ago) link
fuck this song is so good, better than the one on pom pom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpWJ9DZ5Ao
― flappy bird, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:11 (six years ago) link
Post of the year
― skip, Saturday, 29 July 2017 04:05 (six years ago) link
this bit from the Stereogum stuck with me... besides the fidelity, there really is a difference in the songs he recorded pre- and post-2004:
I just wanted a little bit of love and attention. I didn’t even realize it for 26 years, you know? Then when it came, it was like, aw shit, that’s it? I don’t have the same urge or drive to create like I used to. That was all just a desperate plea for attention. Maybe that’s what informed it and made it so vital at the time, but that’s gone now. I had to rearrange my mind on how to write songs. I definitely don’t do it the same way or for the same reasons that I used to.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 July 2017 04:59 (six years ago) link
ah yes, norms who do drugs to induce chemical depression/psychosis. For those norms who feel left out of the mentally ill equation.
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 29 July 2017 07:58 (six years ago) link
his dad is a millionaire colonoscopist who got convicted for fraud once
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/05/local/la-me-fake-surgeries-20110805
― hackshaw, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
why is he not in jail?
― nostormo, Saturday, 29 July 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
Was his dad also known as Dr. Mario?
― calstars, Saturday, 29 July 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 July 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
lol calstars
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 29 July 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
I guess this has managed to avoid the radar for like 5 years but umm wtf
https://postpoprecords.bandcamp.com/album/ku-klux-glam
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
Chairman Meow Best Cat Name it is not. ...
― sarahell, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
reading the track list is more entertaining than listening to the songs
― calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
ripe for a poll IMO
― calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
KKG is bloated but "R. Stevie's Brain" is a classic
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
On first listen this (the new album) is pretty good
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
"Make me a man" etc
― calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
Jameson IS good, I think. The relative concision and tidiness after pom pom threw me at first.
― Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 4 August 2017 10:59 (six years ago) link
Didn't know that I Wanna Be Young and Dedicated To Bobby are reworks of his old tunes.. :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rAxrSE65M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFTrxYIC3vw
― nostormo, Friday, 4 August 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
Interesting! Were these on any of his "official" releases ?
― calstars, Friday, 4 August 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
no, not on any of the Paw Tracks albums or Scared Famous or Loverboy. my friend is a massive AP head and has all this stuff on its own external hard drive. i think those are both from Yas Dudette (which has multiple versions with different sequencing and mixes).
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
I Wanna Be Young was on the official Oddities Sodomies compilation. Time Dandelion is rare and is on the Oddities Sodomies tour cdr.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
(hadn't made the connection of reworkings yet because I've yet to hear the new album)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
oh yeah Oddities Sodomies, iirc that's where the original (superior) version of "Beverly Kills" comes from
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
No, Beverly Kills is from Scared Famous/FF>>
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
Time Dandillion (dandelion?) is pretty cool but I prefer the fidelity and better chorus of the remake. Tinsel-town tran hey!
― calstars, Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:08 (six years ago) link
xp ohh whoa, shit nvm, i was confusing Oddities Sodomies with Grandes Exitos: Greatest Hits. i assume it's the same recording/mix, although who fuckin knows...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
xpost is that definitely the lyric?
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
Really enjoying the b-side to the "Another Weekend" single, "Ode to the Goat (Thank You)" - that one isn't on the album right? love this line in the chorus: "hashtag yipikayay-ay!"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
Sounds tasty. Got a link?
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
It didn't come with a download code :( I'll email Mexican Summer and try to get one, song is dope
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
p4k likes it
my LP is in the mail, excited to hear it
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
Glad that we're finally listening to the proper record/higher quality files than that terrible leak
― bunny slopes, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
halfway thru my 2nd full listen... really different from Mature Themes and pom pom, which were very immediate... this record feels like it's covered in gauze, in that way it's more similar to his lo-fi records than his previous three. The production is really interesting, spread out & immersive - also the songs are so much less 'wacky' for lack of a better word. The melodies are more traditional. A world away from "White Freckles" and "Pink Slime." More than anything, this record is just further proof of his incredible songwriting abilities. This is his Brill Building record. Nothing stands out except "Time to Live." It feels so coherent as a whole, but song for song not sure I dig this one as much as MT or PP. More guitar, less synths. But "Time to Live" is pretty amazing.
My LP came with a bonus disc with four b-sides, all pretty good:"Nighttime is Great!" "Lil' Birdie Told Me""Non-Sequitur Segues""May the Music Never Die Again"
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 05:08 (six years ago) link
This gets so much better on repeated listens. "Death Patrol" and "Dedicated to Bobby Jameson" are so beautiful. "Death Patrol" starts off like a pom pom song, juicy clavinet chords panning back and forth... and then it goes into that chorus... so sad & melancholy... the melancholy on this record is so specific and nuanced, the whole thing feels like a peek into another world, just like those upthread talked about The Doldrums: "the genius is you're imagining with him." it just the lyrics, or the consciously straightforward & impersonal songwriting, there's just this veil of sadness over the whole album... and all of that makes for something much easier to project onto and imagine, get lost in... there was no mystery in the 4AD records. and how these songs just blossom listen to listen, new details reveal themselves... as much as he's trying to downplay it, I really think this is a major work, and time is very important... my view has already changed so much since last night...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
mp3s of the above 4https://ufile.io/xlmty
https://i.imgur.com/Vyp7jLe.jpg
― calstars, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Oh sick, thank you!!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
Been hunting for rips of the Japanese CD for ages, anyone know? Has these songs on there.
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
return to form production wise for sure. bubblegum dreams has gotta be the worst thing he's ever done!
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
Still trying to get into this one, definitely prefer Pom Pom so far.
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
i definitely prefer it over pom pom just because it isn't anywhere as annoying as most of that. 'time to live' is the clear highlight but i really like the b-side 'ode to the goat' too
i like that the production is a more listenable version of his early lo-fi sound, but it also makes tracks blend together a little more than they should? still need to spend more time with it
haven't listened to the bonus EP yet
― ufo, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
Ode to the Goat might be my favorite out of all of these
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
New album's my favorite thing he's done since the original classics.
― carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 23 September 2017 02:08 (six years ago) link
In fact, it's the only album I've liked since House Arrest
I think it's his worst album. Can't get into it.
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
Is “Time to Live” an accidental ripoff of “video killed the radio star”?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
vocal melody seems like an intentional tribute. as discussed, he does his lyrics and vocals last and hates doing it. it's really apparent on the last 2 records.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
it's totally intentional, and of a piece with other musical quotes on the record: "Light My Fire" guitar lead at the end of the title track, "Bubblegum Dreams" = "Son of a Gun" by the Vaselines, "Feels Like Heaven" = obvious Cure homage/pastiche. I think he's tweaking a signature aspect of his lo-fi records: instead of the references & influences being just out of reach & hard to place, he's made them impossible to ignore. Also in line with his declaration that this record has "no theme" or narrative. He's elided his persona so much that instantly famous pop melodies slip in unadulterated.
Something else I've been wondering about: what is the other verse melody in "Time to Live" referencing? This part:
"Winter solstice (rise as the snow's coming)Before life is over (rise up and look for it)"
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
almost certainly not Bullfrog Green by The Boo Radleys but that's what it reminded me of
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
(mentioned this elsewhere, but) Another Weekend borrows the open from William Bell and Judy Clay’s Private Number (beautifully).
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
I can understand how "Bubblegum Dreams" might be irritating. Though I do like that the verses bring to mind some Let's Active song that may or may not actually exist.
― Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
also w/r/t this one being more similar to the original classics than any of the 4AD albums: there's no lyric sheet included. there are several songs (the chorus of "Death Patrol" for example) where I have no idea what the fuck he's saying. like, I wondered for years what the words were in the chorus of "Every Night I Die at Miyagis." I called into KXLU when Ariel was playing some of his old tapes almost two years ago, and I asked him what the words were in that song. it's "off in the world, off in the world of girls, i choke - i'm lost for words." anyway that's another thing that distinguishes DTBJ from the 4AD albums & reminds me of his old records.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:08 (six years ago) link
god "I Wanna Be Young" is so good. one of the few old songs he's redone that's better than the original
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:24 (six years ago) link
I like “Time to Live” but I think 50% of my enjoyment is the “video killed the radiostar” melody in the vocal verse and the other half is the bassline. I could do without the opening 2 minutes of looped low fi noise in the beginning tho they sort of ruin the song for me... i find myself skipping them everytime.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
A few songs feel a bit Pom Pom-lite, Time To Live being Not Enough Violence, Santa being Black Ballerina
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 11:18 (six years ago) link
really like his weird accent for "Santa's in the Closet" (also the mix is really nice, the vocals have this sheen to them that fits w the synth sweeps). its a bit DAF or Die Toedliche Doris or Trio or something, fake German industrial. love it!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
i love the noise bit on time to live, not enough violence is great but time to live is better. i'm starting to think that this might be close to his best album, just for its focus and quality control.
― ufo, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
I love both, but I think I prefer Not Enough Violence by a hair... Time to Live is pretty amazing though... just the density of it, did someone on here describe it as Buggles meets "Sister Ray"? maybe that was a review I read... @PaulMTA i agree, good point about Santa/Black Ballerina, i never would've made the connection bc Santa is such a throwaway and Black Ballerina is imo one of his best songs, & one that stands alone, i can't think of another song of his that sounds like it, or even has the same vibe...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
The new album's biggest problem to me is that it sounds like the classic case of a single album having to follow a classic double (with no bad songs IMO) which doesn't quite live up to the same standard, treads familiar ground and feels more streamlined - ultimately the actual music is excellent to me, but following Pom Pom it just can't compete. I imagine I'd feel differently had the albums been released in reverse order
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
So I'm only saying it's disappointing as it didn't equal or come close to bettering one of the best albums in recent years.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
this is my fav thing AP has done since the classix i wish Jorge and him would make a whole album like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjf5O4bzGuU
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
yeah Paul I know what you mean. but there really isn't a great way to follow up a classic double album. I think he did the best he could - he's not treading water, & the erasure of persona makes sense following Pom Pom. it's just a solid album with some great songs, & a couple duds. but I still really, really like this album - it blooms & melodies suddenly pop out two dozen listens in...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
Chloë Sevigny is a fan:
“I have a hard time even going out and listening to music if I don’t like the sound system now, it’s really awful,” she adds. Her preference is to relive the songs and albums of her youth from the comfort of home, having mostly given up on buying music released in the new millennium—though releases by psychedelic folkie Mira Billotte of White Magic, witch-house misfits Salem, and super freak Ariel Pink are exceptions.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
..............Salem???
Kurt , have you heard the other one they did? Call to Ringhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmFeWSuDja8
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
xxxp I love that Jorge Elbrecht collab, too. Now that you mention it the new album reminds me of it a little
― davey, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
i have heard call to ring its not that good
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link
only time i've seen AP live Jorge was in his band. they did "Hang on to Life," this was a few months before the single came out. I remember watching Jorge for most of "Menopause Man" - again, you don't realize how complicated/convoluted AP's songs/parts are until you see someone doing them
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
also, dude shreds
kenny is their secret weapon when it comes to live performance but yah jorge rips
see vintage ilxor gushing over jorge here Lansing-Dreiden-The Incomplete Triangle:Album Of The Year?
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
just found this, Japanese CD bonus track not included on the 12" picture disc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lso2JX2K2U
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
ah shit, wrong vid, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRjyR1v9niI
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
i put on some of the older records last night and while they were enjoyable there were a lot of tracks that felt like clear filler. he has gotten better at songwriting and i far prefer the new material. not sure if the songs themselves are better or the arrangements themselves are more interesting. used to be a lot of guitars whereas now he's using synths all over the place and imo it results in more memorable instrumental lines and hooks.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
by older records i mean the lo-fi pre-studio stuff. the highs are still really good but there was a lot just coasting on sound.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
I feel the same about those old records, Adam. I made a ‘Greatest Hits’ that fits on a CD-R years ago that I still listen to regularly:
1. Hardcore Pops Are Fun2. Immune to Emotion3. Are You Gonna Look After My Boys?4. Credit5. Every Night I Die at Miyagis6. Politely Declined7. Among Dreams8. For Kate I Wait9. Baby Comes Around10. Interesting Results11. House Arrest12. Jules Lost His Jewels13. Artifact14. Life in LA15. The Doldrums16. Gray Sunset 17. Getting High in the Morning 18. Scared Famous19. Loverboy20. Alisa21. My Molly
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
Still so much gold I left out though...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
if that's the same flappy cdr you posted a coupe years ago it bangs
― flopson, Saturday, 30 September 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
thanks! yeah it more or less is, swapped out a few but it’s basically the same.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
Not as good as No Real Friend but My Whole Life Story from that first Holy Shit album was another fantastic collaboration.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 1 October 2017 06:20 (six years ago) link
I called into KXLU when Ariel was playing some of his old tapes almost two years ago, and I asked him what the words were in that song. it's "off in the world, off in the world of girls, i choke - i'm lost for words." anyway that's another thing that distinguishes DTBJ from the 4AD albums & reminds me of his old records.
Great to hear those 10" songs. "Nighttime is great" reminds me of this (for example the sound effects):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoUgulTA8M
― EvR, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 07:20 (six years ago) link
Thanks for asking about those lyrics, everytime I listen to the song I´m asking myself the same question.
― EvR, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 07:21 (six years ago) link
Thought it was "I churn" but otherwise got it right. Don't think it particularly matters, not to me anyway, with someone like AP.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
AP about to get needle dropped
Uh oh: I've just been informed. someone's writing a HIT piece on me-— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) October 9, 2017
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
Was at his show last night and he started running his mouth off with disgusting misogynistic comments before the band even started playing. Most of the audience was made uncomfortable and barely anybody clapped after the first song. When people started walking out he shouted "Fuck you for leaving!" I know this is the dude's brand and all, but witnessing it firsthand was extremely off-putting – especially in the Trump era. I like his music enough, but not enough to put up with his repulsive antics. TBH I went specifically to see John Maus as the opener and regret staying as long as I did.
― Chantilly Bass, Monday, 16 October 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
damn what was he saying?
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
yeah, i'd expect more from someone playing with John Maus
https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-speaks-on-involvement-with-canceled-alt-right-adult-swim-show/
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 October 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
weird that for all the awful and disgusting comments this dude has made you zero in on "he works with a guy who made some music for a bad TV show"
― frogbs, Monday, 16 October 2017 21:51 (six years ago) link
WOAH like it got worse after I left:
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/
― Chantilly Bass, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:27 (six years ago) link
ap's gf posted this on a friends page regarding that:
https://i.imgur.com/yCe5DqE.png
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
again CB what did he say exactly?
Fuck that show description in the reddit link sounds awful. Glad I decided not to go to the NYC show next month & see Girlpool instead. No time for trainwreck AP shows anymore, especially with that really nauseating scene described.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
Witnessed one AP (whose music I loved up untill PomPom) concert, and that was a trainwreck even without the misogynist bullshit as of late. One of the worst concerts I ever saw. On par with a disastrous Sebadoh concert, where Lou Barlow walked off after 10 mins and fuck you'd the whole audience. Don't ever buy a ticket for your favourite lo-fi artist concert, kids.
I feel kinda sad Maus is lumped together with this tool, but I guess that's all his own doing, associating himself with Pink up until today. Even though the P4K piece Whiney linked reads more like genuine misguidance/cluelessness instead of malicious or mean-spirited. No excuses tho.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
ap and maus are both clueless academic dudes that grew up rich and entitled. i dont know how it relates to this current conversation, but i always put them in that context.
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
Nah I needed to hear that, ty. Maus is a twat too. His music is just... so good. Which sucks.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
wasn't kim fowley heavily involved in his past couple albums too
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
I can't remember what AP said word for word, but he started the show by saying something to the tone of holding his underage girlfriend hostage backstage in a grotesque manner. When people were offended, he started going off at them like a gas lighter. That was enough to make me want to GTFO. Even if it allegedly ended up being consensual, making an audience believe you're being abusive towards your girlfriend onstage is no joke. Nobody goes to a show to see a domestic abuse act.
― Chantilly Bass, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:04 (six years ago) link
xp Pom Pom, yeah. Co-wrote a handful of the songs, gave AP titles & lyrics.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
yeah that is fucking insane and really fucked up
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
@Le Bateau Ivre - what happened specifically? just curious. was it him solo or the band years?
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level
i can forgive maus for being a naive moron about mde though, glad he's distanced himself
― ufo, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:14 (six years ago) link
isnt that guy super smart though? like a philosophy professor? not buying the dumb act.
i had a friend that moved out to Cali a few years ago and hung around in the scene w Ariel and R Stevie Moore. she was going w a lot of creepy guys at the time and it seemed like a iffy idea but he was pretty nice to her from what i heard. now she's living back at home now and has given up drugs and hanging around sketchy characters thank god.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:28 (six years ago) link
I definitely am skeptical that this was just an act. Ariel Pink is known for having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments.
Both Maus and Pink are exceptionally talented artists. That's a completely separate issue though.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments
these can be one and the same
"Performance Art"TM just think of AP as another youtube asshole doing it for LOLZ
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:32 (six years ago) link
I mean, I know this term has fallen out of vogue, but I think he's crazy.
Not that it excuses anything he does or says.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:35 (six years ago) link
What's the pointing of being a star if you can't date a 20 year old fan. 20! If that's not fair game, what is?
Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay, but wanting a much younger (but legal woman) is taboo now. I mean, sorry for the obvious anti-PC stuff, but I am truly sick of much of it.
The rest (e.g., abuse) is another matter, of course.
― Nobody’s trying to be nefarious; nobody’s trying to hide anythin (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:39 (six years ago) link
I agree that 20 is not underage but um
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
Dating a 20 year old fan is fine. Mistreating them is not.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link
That middle paragraph though. I do not sign off on it.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Also describing women as "game" is pretty fucked. Flagged ur post Rudolph.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
Wait who’s fisting who
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
Who fists the fisters?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link
Every night PC Dies at Rudy's
― calstars, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay
damn right it is
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link
his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (six years ago) link
Dr. Mario Colonoscopist is pro-Harvey Weinstein
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:24 (six years ago) link
Like asshole like son.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:25 (six years ago) link
Also his Dad:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ocregister.com/2014/01/30/2-pleas-end-fraud-convictions-tied-to-buena-park-surgical-center/amp/
― Chantilly Bass, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:32 (six years ago) link
in addition to all that coming on stage stumble-down drunk to a crowd of people who paid to see you and may have travelled a good distance is a pretty big asshole move
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
and to think I was about to post something here about liking the new album...
Saw him once (circa 2010?) and he was in relatively good behavior. He was obviously a weird guy but held it together for the show.
― skip, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (ten hours ago) Permalink
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (ten hours ago) Permalink
Pink was re-tweeting his dad's pro-weinstein comments the other day. Do we just chalk this up to Pink being an oddball/weirdo, or is he actually kind of a shitty human being? I mean he hangs out with Greg Gutfield, acts like an asshole to his girlfriend in front of an audience, says really, really horrible things in interviews...but he makes good music? Is that enough to save him from the same fate that's ending Matt Mondanile's career?
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
In another reddit throwaway account:
I saw this post from the daily discussionhttps://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/So I just kind of wanted to make a thread about this.I saw Ariel Pink at the Metro in Chicago in 2010 after Before Today came out, Os Mutantes and someone else I can't remember opened.I was standing at the front of the stage with two girls I went to the show with, like right in front of Ariel Pink himself.During one of the songs, he jumped off stage and came right at, I didn't really know what he was doing, but he came right up to me, grabbed my face and started kissing me, like full tongue down threat and everything. He then turned and did the same thing to the couple girls I was with, and then some other girls who started crowding up to the stage, and jumped back up and kept playing with the rest of the band.I uh...wasn't really into it, and I felt pretty embarrassed, but I just kind of thought it was "part of the show" so I didn't really think much of it. But having seen all the stuff about Matt Mondanile come out the past couple days and all the details about makes me feel like that was all not very above board?So I just wanted to get that out. Thanks for reading.
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76t96k/in_response_to_the_ariel_pink_story_from/
Can anyone confirm this is something this asshole does at shows?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okaydamn right it is
― brimstead, Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:41 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, go fist yourself rudipherous. make sure you take your head out of there first tho.
― map, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
Someone in the that Reddit thread posted this video with him leaving the stage to make out with the audience, so it definitely has happened. You can see it around the 2:35 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=regt_xy8N-M&feature=youtu.be
― Chantilly Bass, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
he was good last night :/
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
john maus was boring af tho
is the Chapel a pretty small place? I was surprised he was doing 3 nights there
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
ariel has been a reactionary prick forever, i kind of thought this was well known?
― marcos, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
I don't think anyone is shocked, it's just another installment. & obviously even more stark & nauseating given the timing
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link
Yea the chapel is small. We was packed like sardines in there until half the crowd dipped
― sunkengarden, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
glad my long-held assessment that this guy's music sucks also applies to his personality
― akm, Friday, 20 October 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
would you not prefer it if it was just the former of those two options
― PaulTMA, Friday, 20 October 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
Some record store in Atlanta stopped selling AP's music and he's feuding with them on twitter
Another day of being attacked by Ariel Pink and his legion of enablers.— Indie Vinyl Den (@indievinylden) October 20, 2017
This is just a sampling of how many people are defending public actions of Ariel Pink (of which even he call gross conduct.) pic.twitter.com/ISqWksKSai— Indie Vinyl Den (@indievinylden) October 20, 2017
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
I have one ticket to the Philly show on Friday Nov 3rd, looking to sell it for face value (which is less than I wound up paying with fees added in). Anyone in the Baltimore area want to buy it from me?
Just realizing that I'm not up for all the driving needed to see it, especially when there are other things I need to do timewise and no one I know (other than one performer) will be attending.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
i had never really listened to much cabaret voltaire before but right now i have red mecca on and jeez this is like 90% of ariel's early sound huh
― marcos, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
... no?
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:55 (six years ago) link
definitely in there but no 90%
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:06 (six years ago) link
i think it's just.. lofi
― brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link
Yeah I wouldn't even say 50%. Here's a 90% playlist:
Calice - Shaking Romance (1984)Charles Smith and Jim Tollan - Taktent (1984)The 6ths - Rot In The Sun (1994)Lives Of Angels - Imperial Motors (1983)Martin Newell - Gamma Ray Blue (1985)
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 November 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
Imperial Motors is maybe 75--80%
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 November 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhJvGJhKxGM
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
this, which is the first track on his FACT mix, sounds so much like him it's nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbGiSsE0Y0s
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
Wow
― calstars, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
I was looking for that band, but I couldn't search for it because I don't know Cyrillic. Good call though, brimstead. Also Оборотень Лис
― 3×5, Saturday, 18 November 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
Anyone ripped these?
― calstars, Saturday, 18 November 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
It doesn’t sound that much like his own music but threadc reminded that I really liked this from that same FACT mix AP did a few years ago.
https://youtu.be/h_O0cDszcuE
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
that was reissued on this amazing comp last year: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Sky-Girl/release/8684302
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
Julian Casablancas: I Strive To Build A World Where… Ariel Pink Is As Popular As Ed Sheeran
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
SSION – “At Least The Sky Is Blue” (Feat. Ariel Pink) Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9ggdpiSyk
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
really good song, listened to it 4 or 5 times in a row on thursday. sneaks up on u
Every generation gets the David Bowie it deserves.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
not sure about the outro but otherwise quite enjoyable! who is SSION?
― niels, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
don't know but that hook is killer
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, March 12, 2018 1:08 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yuppies deserved prince?
― flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
wow that washed over me with zero effect
― zalstarz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
try again took me a couple tries I was skeptical at first
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
ssion - my love grows in the dark was a kinda big song like 4 or 5 years ago i think.
― dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
the good bit is where it interpolates Neil young's Neil Young's Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black) from 4 minutes in. I like it though.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
i like the video
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:46 (six years ago) link
i like Ariel Pink but he is in no way the Bowie of this generation. Bowie had a solid 15 years of radio hits singles and mass appeal (despite Julian's dumb fantasy tons of people knew who Bowie was in the 70's). Pink has't even gotten to his Space Oddity yet.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 11:11 (six years ago) link
that’s exactly what JC is saying though right? In a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit. All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo - “Only in My Dreams,” “Baby,” “PYNIMP,” “Another Weekend,” “L’estat,” “Kinski Assassin,” “Feels Like Heaven”... and “Space Oddity” was only a hit years later after Ziggy.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo
not in the opinion of the masses tho!
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
well it's a different era, Bowie was on a major label, exploded in popularity after a performance on Top of the Pops when everyone watched that show no matter who was on because there were so few options on TV
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Space Oddity saw Bowie temporarily become a one-hit wonder until Ziggy
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
sure but again he was on a major label. But it is true AP the man does not have the charisma or stage presence of Bowie. quite the opposite in fact.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
n a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit.
lol whut
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
I remember Ellen Olenska in The Age of Innocence: "Oh, my dear - where is that country? Have you ever been there?"
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
def could've seen it becoming a crossover hit helped by commercial syncs & a bigger push by 4AD. I'd say the same for Grimes but as has been discussed on her thread, Art Angels performed shockingly poorly on the charts compared to how much acclaim it got & how much people love it. maybe the problem is 4AD.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
Agree about the hit potential for "Round and Round." That fan video with the footage from "Perfect" made it seem like it should be soundtracking crossfit/soulcycle sessions.
― henry s, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.
greater commercial success for an artist like a purity ring just involves getting it in front of people who already like similar music and will immediately understand it. ariel pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently. to get him over the hump, you'd either have to find a way to make his music more commercial without sanding off the edges that make it appealing to fans, or have a legion of his acolytes go forth into the industry and do that work for him by creating commercial music that proudly bears his influence that would provide mainstream audiences with the context they'd need to understand and appreciate what he does.
that's not even getting into any of the personal stuff.
i personally would characterize "round and round" as a song that actually over-performed relative to what the natural demand for this guy's music is, and that the dude's boosters in the media and at his label performed a miraculous act akin to squeezing blood from a stone when they managed to get his name out there as much as they did.
― james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
all the songs I listed, esp. 'Round and Round,' could slot in perfectly on pop/rock radio. not to mention every single college radio station in the country. I agree that the main problem is his complete lack of charisma, really an anti-charisma, that shatters the Bowie comparison & his pop chances. and again, even that's not getting into the personal stuff, which is another huge problem. but on the music alone, I could see it in another world.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
Round and Round is a good song that droops under the weight of its deliberate lethargy and lacklustre vocal delivery. A cover of the song could be a hit but this song as it is? no.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
"round and round" is over five minutes long and takes forever to get to the chorus. the relevant radio formats are overrun by beat-driven comfort food like portugal. the man's "feel it still" and imagine dragons. ariel pink is not LP1 MGMT - what he's doing has no relationship to the type of rock music that's currently doing numbers.
the dude's brand as an underappreciated mad genius or whatever is a perfect match for his actual skillset. he routinely over-delivers relative to the very low expectations his public persona inspires, which keeps a small base of hardcore fans happy. that is the type of career he seems to be able to handle and i don't think anything bigger would work out well for either him or the world.
― james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
flappy bird, were you listening to pop radio in 2010 and 2011
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
"Round and Round" would have fit just fine and Usher-Pitfull, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, and Gaga.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
MGMT is a great comparison, 5 minute hits are not unprecedented, I'm just saying it could've happened on the same scale as an MGMT. james is right though w/r/t AP's actual skillset and abilities and likely inability to cope with / manage a huge boost in popularity.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
but MGMT have never had anything close to an American top forty hit.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
yeah I know they did reasonably well on all those obscure tertiary charts, & those songs are still in rotation a lot, i.e. = pop hit for an indie act
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
jb otm
I thought I hated Ariel Pink but I realized that I just didn't need him, and most of the people I knew who were passionate fans I think were themselves goofy insecure musicians who felt more personally validated by his presence and acclaim than they actually felt moved by his music
There were parts of Pom Pom that spoke to me I guess
He came to my house once for a party, I'd never met the guy, he was a guest of some other people I'd invited. He ended up kind of holding court with my guitar on my couch and it was good! But then I ended up getting drunk and needing to sleep before people could leave. I woke up and all the lights were still on nothing was cleaned up and the front door was wide open and one of the showers was inexplicably on. I found Ariel's bank card on the ground outside and returned it to him later that day. It took me all day to clean up the mess
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
“pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently”
You mean pop music?
― zlstrz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
idk, the 'hold i'm coming' part of the chorus is good but it's not one of his best songs or anything
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
the 'everything's my fault" part is godawful
^ both of those are irrelevant to whether or not it could've become a pop hit
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
"Round and Round" is cool for what it is but when placed on a radio next to actually catchy songs its muddy dull and doesn't do much. Bowie actually wrote songs that could stand up next to other songs. songs with deep variety that still came a steady clip. for a decade straight. "Space Oddity" and "Fame" are like half a decade apart.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
at any rate if this was a fantasy universe then can't we ask for someone better than Ariel Pink who perhaps wasn't appreciated as much as him in this universe
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
yeah... Joe Meek
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
round and round is def a popular song. i hear it every time im perusing the sales rack at urb outfitterz.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
perusing the $28 new vinyl section at UO
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
nah man looking 4 those marked down sweat shorts.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
According to spotify Ariel Pink has an average of 813,552 listeners per month against Julian Casablancas 203,700 monthly listeners.
Maybe tell Julian that nowadays Ariel Pink is at least 4 times more famous than him as a solo artist. That should make him happy.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 07:56 (six years ago) link
"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well
― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
Julian Casablancas solo or The Voidz? Solo he only made one album 8 years ago
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:49 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true, which is strange, because it was allegedly recorded on the evening of 9/11/01
― flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
Ariel Pink is this generation's...Stephen Malkmus
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:05 (six years ago) link
Mankind is a nazi (Humanity’s the devil)
― calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
Just saw Tim on the street, said hi
― calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
Glad he’s back on his feet!
― flappy bird, Saturday, 17 November 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah! He was wearing a red bell bottom suit so it seemed so!
― calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/0lzEmkwqePDPoau88C4VjJ?si=qeZKGB-BSsipLtWpbEB5nw
Part Time feat. AP - I can treat you better
― calstars, Thursday, 22 November 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
heard Put Your Number in My Phone in a Whole Foods today. Sounded really good, AP's voice cut thru the din. I enjoyed reciting the phone call bridge with my friends. submit post
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:37 (five years ago) link
new old songs, probably will end up on Oddities & Sodomies vol. 2 this fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYmy1OPFb-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtH5Q1K2ReE
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
Pink x Trux
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
I'll see your Pink x Trux and raise you one Ariel Archives
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:18 (four years ago) link
“new” Oddities Sodomites II thing on Spotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/album/65JqQUlzflf9fsIZLjCfdp?si=stFt1gsoRVSZDQbacpZbQQHappy Friday
― calstars, Friday, 25 October 2019 13:37 (four years ago) link
new reissues sound incredible
― flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
it’s like listening to them for the first time
― flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
Underground was a surprise for me. Each song an alternate universe hit. Reminded me of a something like Alien Lanes.
― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
great interview with him and the engineer who helped dig up all the tapes and re-mix/master: https://www.weirdomusicforever.com/weird-news-and-interviews/ariel-pink-talks-ariel-archives
does anyone know how much of oddities is unreleased? i didn't recognize much. he seems to indicate that this volume and the next will have lots of new material.
bolivian solider as an example, is a brand new song done in his "old" style with mouth drums, etc. i can't get it out of my head. house of yesterday is also very strong.
was always a fan of Underground, so reissue is a treat. i'm struggling to get into Loverboy though aside from a few cuts.
― anza808, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
it's impressive how much mastering guy was able to clean these records up; really opens them up
― flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
I think tracks 1-3, 5-7 and 13 are new. Gates Of Xion was a 2006 7", This Night and Go Go x2 were on the My Molly 7", Driving To The Grave is Underground era and was on some very limited tour CD (and was up on youtube for a while). Chart-Beep and The Law were on the I'm Not A Genius EP.
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
in that interview AP calls Bolivian Soldier "a sort of sister song to Are You Gonna Look After My Boys" and wtf now I love itnah i loved it from first listen
I'm not that familiar with the remastered albums out now (only Underground and Loverboy right?) but I did check out a couple songs from Loverboy, like the title track, and I think something was lost. The songs are less dense now, more separation. w/e, both mixes exist
― flappy bird, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
Very pleased with the outcome of these remasters - the results kind of belie the idea that he was trying to make things sound as shit as possible. It's like listening to the actual 8-track tapes (plus compression)
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
xp — I agree about Loverboy (my favorite). It's novel to hear the songs sounding so clean, relatively speaking, but the way the songs leapt out through the crud, lifted up from within the murk, had been part of that album's sonic signature. As with a lot of remasters, though, if you never heard the old version I'm not sure you'd really feel like you were missing anything. While they're a whole other analogue (rock, golden) ball game, some of the Stereolab reissues this year have been like this, too. Anyway, some of Underground is still hella noisy.
I appreciate the liner notes on the new reissues. They're not extensive and only say a little about the music itself, but they provide some interesting background. I didn't know he was at the center of a sexual harrassment suit regarding a piece he did at CalArts, for which he says he will probably best be known (!). That remark seems to partly explain some subsequent behavior, an attitude that he will never be properly recognized for his work no matter what he does... which he takes to mean he might act out his id anyway, with at times disastrous results.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 October 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
Wow, any more details on that lawsuit? Here's another:
Ariel Pink has been hit with a lawsuit from director and actress Kansas Bowling, who claims Pink hired her to make a concert film last month and then failed to pay her. Pink owes Bowling more than $1,500, according to a small claims action filed on October 18 in a Los Angeles County court and obtained by Pitchfork. “I was hired by Ariel to go on tour with him to film his shows,” reads the complaint by Bowling, who was not represented by a lawyer. “When we got back, he said he didn’t want the video anymore, therefore he didn’t have to pay me.”The complaint alleges that Pink owes Bowling $1,560, stemming from events that took place from September 18 to 21.Bowling told Pitchfork in an emailed statement: “All I’m asking for is the amount promised to me for a job I already did. I went on tour with him and filmed four shows.... I have to take him to small claims for this lousy, already-discounted rate I gave him so I can eat and pay my rent!”Ariel Pink has been officially served documents in the case, according to L.A. County court records. A non-jury trial in the case is currently scheduled for January 3, 2020. As of publication, a representative for Pink has not responded to Pitchfork’s requests for comment.Kansas Bowling is the director of the 2016 film B.C. Butcher, as well as numerous music videos. As an actress, Bowling played the Charles Manson follower Sandra “Blue” Good in Quentin Tarantino’s 2019 film Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood.
The complaint alleges that Pink owes Bowling $1,560, stemming from events that took place from September 18 to 21.
Bowling told Pitchfork in an emailed statement: “All I’m asking for is the amount promised to me for a job I already did. I went on tour with him and filmed four shows.... I have to take him to small claims for this lousy, already-discounted rate I gave him so I can eat and pay my rent!”
Ariel Pink has been officially served documents in the case, according to L.A. County court records. A non-jury trial in the case is currently scheduled for January 3, 2020. As of publication, a representative for Pink has not responded to Pitchfork’s requests for comment.
Kansas Bowling is the director of the 2016 film B.C. Butcher, as well as numerous music videos. As an actress, Bowling played the Charles Manson follower Sandra “Blue” Good in Quentin Tarantino’s 2019 film Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood.
https://pitchfork.com/news/ariel-pink-sued-by-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-actress-over-scrapped-tour-film/
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
lol what a douchesurprised underground got reissued, by far his least listenable and least tuneful, not sure what he felt was worth salvaging there
― brimstead, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
Scared famous
― June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 1 November 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
When is the next batch out? Can it happen before he gets cancelled
― PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
they're reissuing all of his old albums through 2020, similar rollout I think as the Stereolab reissues. I agree that Underground is mostly dross aside from My Molly.
One thing that the remixes/remasters also highlight is how beyond repair some of his sounds are. I actually think the separation and 'cleaning' of the stems emphasizes how distorted and fucked they were, like PaulMTA said upthread.
for what it's worth, I tried to get a tape collage of mine mastered recently and the results were very similar: sterile separation and elements popping out that shouldn't have, and also irreversible distortion being highlighted.
xp I think in early 2020. AP has been cancelled so many times he's in a Trump sort of space, there's so much evidence of him being, at best, an asshole, and at worst, an emotionally and physically abusive drug addict. so it's all sort of a wash.
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
TS: college vs collage
― June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Saturday, 2 November 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
all the stuff that came out during the last album cycle (all the stories of him kissing fans at shows without consent for example) has pushed him well beyond mere 'asshole' territory in my view so it's hard to have any interest in his stuff anymore
though i'm impressed that these reissues are making his already incomprehensible back catalogue even harder to understand - underground now has a significantly different and expanded tracklist from the previous release, and they're still reissuing the albums out of chronological order (but a different order to the previous widespread releases)
from what i remember underground was near unlistenable and the only two truly worthwhile albums from his lo-fi period were house arrest and the doldrums. the rest all had their moments but were bloated and inconsistent and mostly just curiosities
― ufo, Saturday, 2 November 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
no worn copy and house arrest were pretty perfect too
― brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (four years ago) link
Loverboy I mean
Scared Famous, in certain configurations, is one of his best.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:08 (four years ago) link
Wow, any more details on that lawsuit?
Pink and another student did a large pencil collage in which they depicted students, staff and faculty having sex, and the lawsuit alleged that it had created a hostile working environment; CalArts won the case on the grounds of a non-censorship policy, though Pink was made to apologize. Looks like the court brief is here.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link
5. The drawing was the students' response to an art theory that characterized representational art as passé and incapable of evoking a strong response. See footnote 11, below.
11. In their declarations submitted in support of CalArts's motion for summary judgment, student artists Ariel Rosenberg and Jeremy Ringermacher explained the motivation for The Last Art Piece: “At CalArts, there is a tendency when art is critiqued to categorize a work as representational or conceptual. Representational artwork is an actual representation of the item depicted. Conceptual artwork goes beyond the actual item depicted and communicates additional ideas and concepts. During the time that I have attended CalArts, faculty and students have debated the impact of representational art versus conceptual art, and some people have characterized representational art as passé and incapable of provoking a strong response. Ringermacher and I decided to create a piece of art that mixed and confused these two concepts and evoked a critical response.” In his letter of apology to Herberg, Rosenberg stated “I never intended to harm anyone.”12. The context in which the alleged harassment took place also supports our decision. (See Fisher, supra, 214 Cal.App.3d at pp. 609-610, 262 Cal.Rptr. 842.) We see a vast difference between posting obscene cartoons in a men's room, as was done in Bennett, supra, 845 F.2d 104, and the display of The Last Art Piece in the designated gallery area at an art school. CalArts's non-censorship policy was widely distributed to both students and employees. In our view it was reasonable to expect that exhibitions of student artwork would, from time to time, include sexually-explicit material. Although we reject CalArts's contention that its anti-censorship policy and the First Amendment exempt it from the laws against sexual harassment, in this case the context of the display further militates against a finding of severe or pervasive harassment.
12. The context in which the alleged harassment took place also supports our decision. (See Fisher, supra, 214 Cal.App.3d at pp. 609-610, 262 Cal.Rptr. 842.) We see a vast difference between posting obscene cartoons in a men's room, as was done in Bennett, supra, 845 F.2d 104, and the display of The Last Art Piece in the designated gallery area at an art school. CalArts's non-censorship policy was widely distributed to both students and employees. In our view it was reasonable to expect that exhibitions of student artwork would, from time to time, include sexually-explicit material. Although we reject CalArts's contention that its anti-censorship policy and the First Amendment exempt it from the laws against sexual harassment, in this case the context of the display further militates against a finding of severe or pervasive harassment.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link
I dont agree with Underground as being 'unlistenable' at all - to my ears seems like a consistent set of melodically inventive damaged pop songs in the vein of Syd Barrett/ GBV etc
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 2 November 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
I'd not heard Underground before last week. I doubt it would have elicited a "Wow, WTF?" if it had been my first exposure to AP instead of The Doldrums.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 3 November 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link
I heard this today and thought it would appeal to AP fans. From 1981.
― Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
And here's a little something for the R. Stevie fans. From 1980.
― Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link
Been meaning to check out Dome for a while—those are both awesome! Also the three best Ariel Pink albums are the next batch of reissues. Equally scared/excited to hear cleaned-up House Arrest.
― J. Sam, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
Cleaned-up Crybaby is outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6HD6_JPOlQ
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
AP is in a shot of the Safdie bro’s’ heaven knows what during the Central Park bandshell Scene. T koh is also credited bit I didn’t spot him.
― calstars, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
So the early stuff is coming out in remastered and "reworked" editions. Any idea what is meant by that? Re-recordings, remixes?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link
the previous reissues in the series (loverboy and underground) had changes to the tracklists compared to the previously widely available releases. loverboy's changes were small but underground was significantly expanded. the new transfers from the original cassettes sounded much better than the existing releases
the tracklists for the next wave of releases (the doldrums/worn copy/house arrest) are the same as before though, and the notes for the doldrums here https://arielpink.bandcamp.com/album/the-doldrums mentions the sources
― ufo, Thursday, 2 April 2020 09:26 (three years ago) link
New single with Jorge https://open.spotify.com/track/2HaMMxfawsnyD4cYvUKym6?si=okqr6PXBRp6LuYpE4keIaA
― calstars, Friday, 24 April 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
Can’t say it’s as catchy as the other stuff they’ve done together though 😞
― calstars, Friday, 24 April 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link
AP will be on the 100 pct electronica live feed Thursday eve I guess listening to records?
Ariel Pink is the special guest of honor on our live stream this week!!!! Will he be a Simon Cowell or a softy on the demos? pic.twitter.com/Og7kU5L2AA— Negative Gemini (@NegativeGemini) July 7, 2020
― calstars, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
he probably won't show up
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 July 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
I don't like or listen to AP anymore for... reasons
Personal reasons...
Bad man!!!
I was sure this revive would feature his cancellation tbh
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
sort of assumed he was already cancelled tbh
― umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 9 July 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
Hes been getting called out for so long he's been grandfathered-in
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 July 2020 04:10 (three years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 July 2020 04:57 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/oolIoFP.jpgTalk about Scientology and the grimes dispute.
― calstars, Friday, 10 July 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
No interest in his new old ? single ? Burned out love?
― calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:34 (three years ago) link
It's ok...? It's what he does, or rather, did. It sounds like a Doldrums outtake tbf, or is it?
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link
Dunno but yeah it does
― calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
It's not bad, mind! Saw it pop up on my spotify discover thing. Just wondering if it's indicative of a direction of sorts, of what he's doing now, or just a random thing. (this is more my/spotify's problem than Ariel's tbf)
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link
From Mexican Summer:
Recorded (and left) in The Doldrums period, "Burned Out Love" has been resurrected and fully realized. Assembled from a mixdown tape and the original 8-track (synching up tapes to fill in missing audio gaps) and with new mouth drums from Ariel(!). The track appears now, mixed in stereo for the first time and making its first official appearance on a release (Odditties Sodomies Vol.3).
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 2 November 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link
I'm looking forward to the next batch of records because they gather up a lot of misc. loose ends (like stuff cut from the original Scared Famous/FF>>) -- more or less what you'd expect/hope a reissue series like this to do.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 2 November 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/3waOhiNW7AxNVPVh2pH345?si=k5wAtKVvRsmWaUDL06akdgAnother (new) one, iron worrier
― calstars, Monday, 2 November 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
Hmmm
Ariel Pink John Maus and Alex Lee Moyer at the Capitol today https://t.co/xWVU6JQtQX— NTP (@nathanpemberton) January 7, 2021
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link
lollllll
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 7 January 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link
why is this guy
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 05:02 (three years ago) link
suspended
― sarahell, Thursday, 7 January 2021 05:55 (three years ago) link
vote for trump— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) December 31, 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 06:15 (three years ago) link
was he doing some b&e at the capitol, as well?
― Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 7 January 2021 06:16 (three years ago) link
Here's the video taken from the private Instagram account of director Alex Lee Moyer showing John Maus at the Trump "protest" today. Note Maus is wearing the same outfit in the hotel room photo. pic.twitter.com/ne5SyJAjq4— Kat Bee (@katbeee) January 7, 2021
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 January 2021 06:40 (three years ago) link
I hopped off the Ariel Pink bandwagon many years ago, but hoped John Maus wasn’t as much a moron as he is.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 January 2021 06:43 (three years ago) link
Pink doesn’t surprise me all that much, but Maus does a little. Dude is weird but he always seemed pretty left to me.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 06:48 (three years ago) link
maus has always claimed to be left-wing but has always defended pink whenever he's done something particularly bad, usually with convoluted reasoning
i am still a little surprised about him here though yeah
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 07:04 (three years ago) link
So... what precisely was in the suspended account's tweet?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 7 January 2021 07:58 (three years ago) link
just a photo of maus, pink & alex lee moyer in a hotel room
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 08:13 (three years ago) link
Aaah, right. I guess I eventually saw that then. Thanks.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 7 January 2021 08:44 (three years ago) link
Maus appeared on that short lived Sam Hyde show that was in adultswim but I wrongly assumed it was because he was just naive
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 09:36 (three years ago) link
MAGA turn for Pink wouldn’t surprise me sadly. It fits the mentality that’s come across in interviews before.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 09:40 (three years ago) link
maus's defense at the time for going on the MDE show came across as naive bullshit
pink is already MAGA and has been for a while
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 09:52 (three years ago) link
Pink even addresses the "they think that I'm a troll... the only way they can see me and give me a pass" stance over in this thing posted a couple of weeks ago.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 7 January 2021 09:54 (three years ago) link
Yikes!
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:01 (three years ago) link
I didn’t know he was at the level where he’s excited to talk someone about why mail in ballots and climate change are fake.
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:05 (three years ago) link
When I met Pink at my local here in Amsterdam a year ago he just seemed like a deep (acid?) fried, insecure yet intelligent dude. Friendly enough. We have a couple of mutual acquaintances in common but I never got any overt MAGA vibes from him. Kinda shocked.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:08 (three years ago) link
he's been the sort of guy to rail about pc gone mad etc forever, it's not really a huge shift
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:20 (three years ago) link
THIS GUY! He once was a hero of mine. Now i wanna kick him in the face. His face is bullshit!
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:52 (three years ago) link
Adding to the "not shocked, but sad" crowd. Had kind of given up Ariel already; there's been too many red flags the last couple of years. I'm more surprised, and appalled, at Maus going full MAGA.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:56 (three years ago) link
Not surprising.Didnt he do that KK glam record a while back?
― candyman, Thursday, 7 January 2021 11:58 (three years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka)
Yeah, Ariel Pink has been clearly a dickhead for a long time, but I really thought Maus was better than that.
― emil.y, Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:04 (three years ago) link
this guy is a toilet
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:30 (three years ago) link
“Mankind is a nazi / humanity is the devil” iirc
― calstars, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link
someone has shared thishttps://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/136671688_1333656816987705_8348487301874769846_o.jpg
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/neoGrJo.jpg
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
lolll yes crazy times indeed brother
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
john maus must be confused because someone else named ariel pink shared this: "i was in dc to peacefully show my support for the president. i attended the rally on the white house lawn"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link
Maus is from my homeland of southern Minnesota so maybe just a return to his roots
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link
I mean, fuck Pink, he’s been a scumbag for years. Extra galling for him to tweet “vote for Trump” AFTER the events of yesterday. Super fucked up, even for him.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
that's about the explanation i expected from maus, basically saying "i was just observing"
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:42 (three years ago) link
even though ariel clearly wasn't
i hear you. but i think youre missing the big picture. there are no moderates anymore on the left. the moderates have fled the party. pelosi is moderate and even she has capitulated to pressures within her own party. BLM is a good example.— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) January 4, 2021
nixon ended the vietnam war, opened up trade relations with China (in hindsight, perhaps not the best move) and yes, he stepped down with grace and dignity when the watergate scandal broke. a good president overall, imo. though not as good as trump— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) January 4, 2021
really? is that where you are going with this? you know the KKK were Democrats, right? you know that the president who ended slavery, abe lincoln, was a republican, right?— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) January 4, 2021
i dont refuse that biden won-He won-no argument there. Problem is--biden WON- which means its Game Over- dems are under a delusion that US will improve, rather than implode-if georgia goes blue- USA wont make it summer— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) January 3, 2021
the economy was doing great just prior to covid. clamping down on illegal immigration is for ur benefit. tough on china is for ur benefit. middle east peace talks and for years not at war-for your benefit. covid vaccine and relief was for ur benefit.— Ariel Pink (@arielxpink) December 31, 2020
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link
Yep, that's all you need to know basically. Fuck him.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link
not helping yourself here, Ariel
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link
weird that these white guys fetishizing reagan-era pop dross would turn out to be spineless right wing creeps
o wait
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
tbf Ariel is a single-issue voter (Afghan heroin production)
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link
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― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
he looks like someone tried to make a bust of kurt cobain out of ground chicken
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link
this thread is a real time capsule, p dismaying to scroll up to *2012* and see emil.y valiantly arguing with tendentious men about this guy's screamingly obvious fucked-upness
― rob, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:08 (three years ago) link
Are you gonna look after my (proud) boys?
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
☹️
― brimstead, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Monday, November 17, 2014 7:00 AM (six years ago)
― rob, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
Really bummed about John Maus. The red flags were there too (e.g. https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-speaks-on-involvement-with-canceled-alt-right-adult-swim-show/ ) but he also had songs like “cop killer” and “rights for gays”, but I’m thinking he was being ironic with the latter, reading the lyrics under the revelation that he actually shares alt right ideologies makes it disgusting.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link
I really hope Pitchfork's article about them today is the last time they give either of them coverage, tbh. Would love to see Pink's next album to be greeted with the response that Ryan Adams' "comeback" album got.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
Hmm... Ariel Pink IS the only person who's ever asked me to put a swastika on an album cover, so uhhh... this maybe checks out.— Robert Beatty (@EdSunspot) January 7, 2021
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
Since he goes on to say in the thread that he might be deleting this thread soon, the quoted tweet was noted artist Robert Beatty saying, "Hmm... Ariel Pink IS the only person who's ever asked me to put a swastika on an album cover, so uhhh... this maybe checks out."
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
― calstars, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
I still have no idea who this guy is, and at this point I’m too afraid to ask.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
he's hopefully over now anyway so no need to ask rly
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link
I've known his name for years but never listened. I clicked through three or four songs on Spotify this morning; it was some of the worst shit I've ever heard. I'd say I can't believe ILXors actually listen to this garbage, but I absolutely can.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link
‘The Doldrums’ is a masterpiece, but that doesn’t really matter anymore
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
Shit, Beatty locked his Twitter account after that thread. Hoping he wasn't being set upon by rabid MAGAts.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
Dedicated to Bobby Jameson was his best I thought. Good way to go out I guess. RIP
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
I am glad I always thought they/he sucked.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
can we make this Type Of Guy extinct now please. they've had enough indulgence from the music press over the last 50 years
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
I only know him because he played (pretty good!) bass in a friend's band and was pretty lowkey, never heard his own tunes but yeah he seems to be long gone.
RIP
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
It pretty obvious this guy has always been a scumbag, but it kind of amazes me that he would pick now of all times to blow up his career over Trump.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
I feel like Pink indoctrinated Maus into this bullshit. Though perhaps that's my wishful thinking
― octobeard, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
whats the over/under on him playing a trump rally in 2021
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
weren't there sexual assault accusations?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
I just don't see "For Kate I Wait" blaring from loudspeakers at a MAGA rally.
― henry s, Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
I used to adore his music but his misogyny has mostly ruined it for me at this point. Everyone who's pointed out that the MAGA stuff is in keeping with his whole contrary asshole schtick is otm. I'm disappointed that I gave him a pass for as long as I did and for not being more critical of Maus by extension. Makes me wonder about Jorge Elbrecht, too.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
Wait, he’s got an album called Pom Pom? :(
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGLlCaXMAA-uyL?format=jpg&name=medium
is the woman famous in some way?
― goole, Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
Ariel's daddy:
https://amp.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2014/02/02/319158.htm
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
wow holy shit
― goole, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
love the can of yuengling
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link
Always wondered what was going on there... his dad was active on Twitter in the following years: https://twitter.com/marioros?lang=en
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
Daddy issues appear to be a prerequisite for becoming a (male) alt-right shithead.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
This made the LA Times - https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-01-07/ariel-pink-attended-trump-rally-capitol-riot
― Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
Ariel’s just pissed his Dad lost his inheritance.— Rich Wyman (@realrichwyman) January 7, 2021
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
“welcome to the panoptigan,” he tweeted, possibly meaning panopticon
lol brutal
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
Rosenberg was one of three doctors accused of performing more than 1,000 unnecessary surgeries.
jfc
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
...including his lobotomy c/o Fox News
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
gah
*son's
https://www.quilterlabs.com/images/quilterimg/productimages/26/1_-_left_front.jpg
― Evan, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:33 (three years ago) link
Have the LA Times used this photo because he looks like such a prick here, or are there loads of photos as bad as this?
Indie musician Ariel Pink defended his attendance of Wednesday’s Trump rally in Washington, D.C., that resulted in an assault on the U.S. Capitol. https://t.co/SsetgCVN3v— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) January 7, 2021
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
He usually looks like even more of a prick.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
Jews who hang out with neonazis will never fail to disturb me.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
is the woman famous in some way?― goole, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:59 AM (fifty-three minutes ago)
― goole, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:59 AM (fifty-three minutes ago)
she's alex moyer, a filmmaker who wants ariel to score her next film apparently
― ufo, Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link
Lol her only directorial credit is an incel doc called TFW NO GF so courting Pink at this point seems on brand
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
Apparently "Alex Moyer" is also a notoriously annoying roommate to have on The Sims.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link
https://www.laweekly.com/underage-drinking-on-christmas-eve-with-ariel-pink/
9:22 p.m.: Ariel was bullied when he was younger. He thanks his bullies now, because it taught him to grow a thick skin.“I was a harmless little pipsqueak,” he says. “But thank goodness I had to experience that stuff. It made me who I am. I don’t want any injustice brought against the bullies. Bullies just don’t know any better. Anyone who is crying about police brutality or victimization as an adult needs to stop it and realize the privileges we have in this country.”
“I was a harmless little pipsqueak,” he says. “But thank goodness I had to experience that stuff. It made me who I am. I don’t want any injustice brought against the bullies. Bullies just don’t know any better. Anyone who is crying about police brutality or victimization as an adult needs to stop it and realize the privileges we have in this country.”
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
Jesus @ his father, what a piece of shit.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.athwart.org/interview-alex-lee-moyer/amp/“To me, it just comes down to people who are free thinkers vs. this new soft-core authoritarianism we’re living through, which is mostly just about the mainstream media and not even the general public. People just get called “right wing” anytime they don’t fall in line with the woke/liberal narrative.“
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
this thread is gonna be at the top of the new answers page all weekend isn't it
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:28 (three years ago) link
oh my god the antiwoke stuff just comes off an assembly line at this point jfc
― goole, Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJwyTvylGIT/?igshid=vhcg1rw4cky4
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 7 January 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
lol this is tailor made for inzaniacs
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 23:57 (three years ago) link
One fun thing is the idea that Ariel Pink will get cancelled over this. He was "cancelled" almost ten years ago, that hasn't stopped him yet.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
Still sad about John Maus tho'. Gonna be sad about John Maus for some time.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
true. i still listen to "pitiless censors" on the semi-regular
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
Tbf, I did see at least one venue on Twitter say yesterday that he's never coming back to their space. Apparently he had an indefinitely postponed show still scheduled from 2020 that was to be made up at some point, but they pulled the plug on it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
This will definitely change how both he and Maus are covered in the indie-rock press which I imagine would not be a trivial change for them
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
My point is more about why they were letting him play their space in the first place. We all knew he was a misogynist vicious awful bigot already. If they're happy for him to play then, but not when he's a Trump-supporting misogynist vicious awful bigot, well, their politics don't seem that strong to me.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
I get it. But finally getting cancelled for a less valid reason is still better than not getting canceled at all, no?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
Honestly, I don't know. Right now I'm just feeling a bit fatalist, like, it only matters if people make a big deal of it, and only for the amount of time it's in the news cycle, then everyone forgets again and he goes back to playing and being written about normally, and it's all useless and nothing changes.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
The LA Weekly profile on AP is substantially worse than being a Trump supporter imho (nb: that profile suggests there is ANOTHER v. unflattering profile of him in their archives).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link
I get the pessimism emil.y but short of inventing a time machine to go back and force the issue ten years ago, I think we just have to settle for him being deplatformed a decade too late.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
I suspect the avant/arty sheen on his stuff has helped protect him, a lot.
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:30 (three years ago) link
I read most of this thread yesterday and it was v demoralizing to see how far back the calling-out and subsequent hand-waving went. It was also instructive though, showing how '10s culture could be a trojan horse for vile ideas (the 2012 argument I mentioned earlier was about AP espousing what we'd now unhesitatingly call incel ideology in a Wire interview) and how fandom aligns people who might disagree on politics in other contexts but become united through their affection for an artist: you can see posters communing upthread in their enjoyment of the music while their defenses of his public rhetoric range from "he's a creep but I love the tunes, hope he stops doing interviews" to "what he said is fine."
I didn't play videogames when gamergate happened, and found it easy at the time to be unsurprised by and contemptuous of sexist/racist gamers. So while I've never liked AP, it was useful to see the dynamic play out over the years on this message board I know well and feel mostly at home on. TBC: I'm not saying any ilxors were radicalized by AP fandom and I'm not trying to shame anyone for liking his music years ago, I genuinely found it useful to see how culture could operate in this way.
― rob, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
Again I couldn’t care less about Ariel Pink because I didn’t already. John Maus hasn’t released anything that I care about in a decade, but I still think “we must become...” is a great album with many songs I love like “hey moon” or “believer”. There’s many instances where I can separate art from artist but the ideologies from the alt right are so toxic and irredeemable that it becomes a killjoy and it’s naive to blame this on Ariel Pink’s influence over a 40 year old man.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
it's telling that even now I still think of AP as a clueless art kid, he's 42 lol
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
almost an OAP
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Friday, 8 January 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link
At the end of the day "Hey Moon" is about the only Maus song I can't live without, but I can always go to the Molly Nilsson original for my fix.
― henry s, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
Good for Nilsson's label, DSA, who have just repressed/reissued the "Hey Moon" 7" single, with all proceeds going to BLM.
― henry s, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
Tbf Molly Nilsson seemed like kind of a dick when my friend put her on, but I don't know if there's any political edge to that (hell, it might even just have been an off day, I know I probably come across like a dick sometimes when I'm playing on a bad day)
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
probably the worst thing pink has publicly done was when he made 'forcibly kissing all the girls in the front row' an every night occurrence on the before today tour in 2010 at the height of his hype, pretty reprehensible
i still don't believe maus is a trump supporter or anything but he's certainly a huge credulous dumbass and it's exactly in line with how he's been in the past
― ufo, Friday, 8 January 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
based on what friends who know them have told me -- it's like reason #43282 not to do cocaine. I guess at least being a supporter of fascism there's way less cognitive dissonance being a massive cokehead than for self-proclaimed leftists who also do lots of coke.
― sarahell, Friday, 8 January 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
Funnily enough, I'm dealing with a self-proclaimed leftist who does lots of coke right now, and me and all of his friends can't make him understand why posting Burzum album covers without context might be a reason to get angry at him (he's "doing research for a paper he's writing," which is probably true since he's run a magazine in the past, but still).
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Friday, 8 January 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link
still think a lot about Quincy Jones claiming that Nazi Germany was fueled by cocaine
― frogbs, Friday, 8 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link
John Maus' importance has utterly passed me by, I have zero idea who he is, know no one who listens to his music, etc. Did this guy get indie prominence between the years of 2006 and say, 2018? because I didn't pay attention to shit then.
― akm, Friday, 8 January 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
yes
― rob, Friday, 8 January 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
The name John Maus means John Walker of the Walker Brothers to me. Also I confuse him with John Mayer, as I'm sure I must have mentioned on the Oh! I Always Get Those Two Mixed Up! thread.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 8 January 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
yes, same, I thought it was that new dude from The Dead at first
― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Friday, 8 January 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link
I guess AP has been an asshole in plain sight for a while now, but one thing that obscured it a little for me was that he kept some pretty good company... like just two examples that occurred to me are Weyes Blood who seems to be a pretty morally together person... and I know he is (or was) pals with another female muso who is impeccably aware & progressive... I guess I figured these people wouldn’t have given him a free pass if he was genuinely as big a jerk as he appears in interviews. But I guess friendships are complex and multifaceted, there are probably some people I know with some murky views that I don’t bail up about it at dinner parties.
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Saturday, 9 January 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
Dam-Funk's a pretty positive dude, and also AP collaborator. Same with Nite Jewel. In fact, the three of them seemed to have a little bit of an LA coterie. I've always liked their shared vibes.
― henry s, Saturday, 9 January 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
― PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (one year ago)
so close
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 9 January 2021 00:45 (three years ago) link
henry s at 6:42 8 Jan 21Dam-Funk's a pretty positive dude, and also AP collaborator. Same with Nite Jewel. In fact, the three of them seemed to have a little bit of an LA coterie. I've always liked their shared vibes
trigger warning but maybe read this about the scumbag sexually assaulting a woman in the audience, and go on Twitter and read numerous tweets by women in indie saying we were warning you about this guy before you start talking about "shared vibes"https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76t96k/in_response_to_the_ariel_pink_story_from/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_bodyfor fuck's sake
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 9 January 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
he did that very regularly in the before today tour from what i've heard, really fucked up
― ufo, Saturday, 9 January 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
has he not been jumped multiple times before is what I want to know ive made some terrible posts itt
― brimstead, Saturday, 9 January 2021 01:39 (three years ago) link
I was told Vudi from AMC was playing with AP for a mo Ute after he moved to LA ages ago. Wonder what that was like. Was mystifying to me even then
― akm, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link
what the absolute shit
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:17 (three years ago) link
Dropped by his label: https://variety.com/2021/music/news/ariel-pink-dropped-label-mexican-summer-trump-support-1234881742/
― Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:30 (three years ago) link
kind of ridiculous that this of all things was the last straw for them
― ufo, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:34 (three years ago) link
Waiting to see if 4AD does the same.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:35 (three years ago) link
(I mean, if they pull the one album they did with him)
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:36 (three years ago) link
Oh wait, several albums. wgaf about him I can't remember how many there were (their site only lists Pom Pom).
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
he did three with 4AD and has been on mexican summer since
― ufo, Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
Megyn Kelly to the rescue! LOL
This guy got cancelled just for going to listen to Trump speak on Wed. He says he didn’t join the protests/riot (& his label isn’t claiming otherwise). Just *attending* the Trump speech was a cancellable offense. https://t.co/Nk6Dm5aEcD— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) January 9, 2021
― Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Saturday, 9 January 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
I said this on another post but I still think there's an outside chance Death in June will be mentioned on Fox
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 9 January 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
oh god I hope not
― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 9 January 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
Megyn Kelly defending Ariel Pink, didn't see that coming.
I wonder if she'll play "Round and Round" on her segment outro or go for a golden oldie like "Trepanated Earth" or "Jules Lost His Jewels"?
― skip, Saturday, 9 January 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
"Butt House Blondes" would probably find a lot of traction with the Fox viewership.
― henry s, Saturday, 9 January 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
Those first few records were really good, but unlike some of the other bands of the time, he was ALWAYS an awful performer. I saw him live a few times, and it was always terrible.
Funnily enough, every time I've seen Dam-Funk live, it's been terrible, too, and the last time I saw both of them live it was THE SAME NIGHT in San Francisco, 2008, and I was on a lot of molly.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
I know the purist take is the early stuff is best but I was a big fan of his “crossover” run - I guess Before Today, Mature Themes and Pom Pom. Saw him live twice and it was excellent both times. Haven’t been spinning those records much in the last 5 years though, as with Swans I can always think of something I can enjoy more with fewer complications.
― the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:52 (three years ago) link
The only musician related to Ariel Pink’s live performances worth a damn was Tim Koh
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:49 (three years ago) link
I have a personal issue with this man, unrelated to his music--which I maintain is consistently good, great, or brilliant--or political beliefs, and I swear to god just give me a hammer and one hour alone with him. Not a threat. Just a wish
― flappy bird, Sunday, 10 January 2021 05:31 (three years ago) link
Remember when he was on a brutally unfunny episode of Red Eye in 2013?
https://video.foxnews.com/v/2653731360001
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 10 January 2021 07:07 (three years ago) link
as with Swans I can always think of something I can enjoy more with fewer complications.^^ same
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 10 January 2021 08:02 (three years ago) link
he's not THAT good
― reggae mike love (polyphonic)
I just watched this and I think I hate you for making me aware it exists.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 10 January 2021 08:39 (three years ago) link
He (was) good at recording weird parts meticulously with a 4 track. Also sucks that he’s associated with Ash Ra. Did I already post that?
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 10 January 2021 08:40 (three years ago) link
Went off this guy after before today. Not ashamed to say I wanted him to stio fucking around and make some more 'proper' albums but I guess that was not for him
― candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 09:19 (three years ago) link
Still love doldrums and worn copy though. If I stopped listening to every person with fucked up politics I wouldn't listen to many artists.
― candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 09:20 (three years ago) link
dedicated to bobby jameson was pretty good as a "proper" album except for the part where his gross politics seeped into it more directly than ever which along with his antics getting increasingly bad and/or visible (i wasn't aware of the before today tour assault stories etc. until people brought it up then in response to other shit he did in 2017) was the end of my interest in his music
― ufo, Sunday, 10 January 2021 10:28 (three years ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:40 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
ash ra?like ash ra temple?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:54 (three years ago) link
https://img.discogs.com/w6ZNsACwtgDM831VdKEyfJvd9KM=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-10729100-1503344166-6844.jpeg.jpg
― henry s, Sunday, 10 January 2021 13:46 (three years ago) link
Gah whatever next, Popol Q?
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Sunday, 10 January 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
why isn't Ariel Pink's name in pink on that cover?
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 January 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
why does it look like the art for some shit jazz fusion record from 1989
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 January 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
whatever next, Popol Q?
Trumpy ?
― Noel Emits, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
QAnon Duul II
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
― pomenitul, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
Faust(ian Bargain)
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
Fash Ra Temple
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
Clusterfuck
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
"The Sad Skinhead"
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
Tangerine Face
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:29 (three years ago) link
ha
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:29 (three years ago) link
NEU!ofascist
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
Altercation Free
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
Antivaxus Quam
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
Adolf und Florian
― frogbs, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:51 (three years ago) link
and let's not forget Big Balls & The Great White Covidiots
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
MAGAma
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
Blood & Zeuhl
― frogbs, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
Frank Zappa
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
Eno, Moebius & Ridiculous
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 11 January 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
Clusternacht
― frogbs, Monday, 11 January 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
KKKraftwerk
― J. Sam, Monday, 11 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Johnny Fash
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 January 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
Proudstreet Boys
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link
oh jeez kudos
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
I was going to object to this entire string of jokes but I can't deny that one (or "Frank Zappa")
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/ariel-pink-abuse-allegations-surface-in-court-case/
― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
that's pretty unsurprising, i remember seeing the footage of him being abusive on stage to her, and that along with hearing the stories about him assaulting women on the before today tour, which people brought up in response to that incident, was the final straw for me
― ufo, Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Ariel Pink will be on Tucker carlson tonight— Joe Gabriel Simonson (@SaysSimonson) January 14, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 15 January 2021 01:14 (three years ago) link
loving the idea of the cancel culture crowd listening to Ariel Pink and secretly hating every second of it
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 15 January 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link
i thought the lo fi 'psychedelic' weirdo i liked in 2002 was this guy but it was actually devendra banhart.
― map, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:50 (three years ago) link
THE PROPHECY...FULFILLED pic.twitter.com/I63S3VV0Ra— Jess Harvell (@cheaptrickrules) January 15, 2021
― map, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link
hope he turns into billy joel for magas
― map, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
I saw Ariel Pink on Fox News Tucker Carlson Tonight (best show on TV) and then quickly bought one of his tunes so I would remember his name. I’m going to listen to everything of his I can find and pay for downloads of every song I like. This guy has been cancelled. NOT FAIR!!— American Woman ❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸 (@TrishFitzpatrik) January 15, 2021
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link
I absolutely love they're getting into this guy's terrible music.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link
this is actually hilarious
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:29 (three years ago) link
I'm going to listen to everything of his I can find and pay for downloads of every song I like.
Hmmm…
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:31 (three years ago) link
Too funny.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:54 (three years ago) link
xpost happy hunting!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 03:21 (three years ago) link
telling you all, he’s gonna play a party at mar a lago, 100%
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 January 2021 03:35 (three years ago) link
I like his music but i don’t know if maga-world will. We’ll see!
― treeship., Friday, 15 January 2021 03:55 (three years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, 15 January 2021 03:58 (three years ago) link
"I’m so gay for Trump, I would let him fuck me in the butt."
I’m so gay for Trump, I would let him fuck me in the butt.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 15 January 2021 03:59 (three years ago) link
I think he is fucking with everyone... even himself
― treeship., Friday, 15 January 2021 03:59 (three years ago) link
Ariel Pink (voice drowned in reverb and tape hiss): Take a knee, my ass, I won’t take a knee— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) January 15, 2021
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 15 January 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link
Fuck this asshole, but also genuine lol at these turn of fanbase Whoever makes a reaction videos of old conservatives listening to his music for the first time deserves the million views it would get.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 January 2021 04:41 (three years ago) link
Ugh autocorrect fucked my text a little bit, sorry m
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 January 2021 04:43 (three years ago) link
2021 pic.twitter.com/Nz2aniuIPH— edboy (@carcrash9000) January 15, 2021
― undomondo, Friday, 15 January 2021 06:57 (three years ago) link
Pink also uses the podcast to discuss arguing with his doctor father about COVID, maintaining that the vaccine “doesn’t actually stop you from getting the virus… It just stops the symptoms.”
I assume his doctor father said "No it doesn't" otherwise its not an argument.
― Mark G, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:16 (three years ago) link
Do asshole artists hire asshole publicists to get on asshole tv shows or do these assholes just find each other through asshole magnetism— Damon K (@dada_drummer) January 15, 2021
― kieth chagrin (NickB), Friday, 15 January 2021 08:44 (three years ago) link
Amazing.
Pink's logical endpoint, arriving at full MAGA, seemed inevitable given the dumb shit and blatant misogyny of the last decade or so. Am always a bit disappointed at failed misanthropes like Pink. I mean: we get it, you're a terrible person, but any trve misanthrope would never end up being a full-fledged member of #teamtrump. It's, quite frankly, embarrassing.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 January 2021 08:46 (three years ago) link
(amazing referring to the Carlson screenshot w/ byline, xp'd)
It looks like the roles of Tucker Carlson and Ariel Pink are being played by the same actor
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 15 January 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
any trve misanthrope would never end up being a full-fledged member of #teamtrump
otm x100
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 13:40 (three years ago) link
One of the problems with being a solo act is that you can't break up.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
That's what alter egos are for.
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link
um...maybe I misunderstand how the vaccine works but...isn't this true? iiuc it prevents the disease, COVID-19, but not coronavirus infection. The vaccinated can still carry and transmit the virus...no?
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link
Maybe, maybe not. See, for instance:
https://www.thejournal.ie/pfizer-ceo-5323949-Jan2021/
But yeah, if that quote was meant to make him look bad, it fell flat.
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 14:06 (three years ago) link
have animal collective denounced this dude yet or have they been too busy scoring documentaries about soundcloud rap
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 15 January 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
re:the vaccine, its also just a pointlessly bratty "uh ACTUALLY" thing to argue with ppl about
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
I guess that depends on the context, pretty obv. important and worth arguing if someone in your family is getting the vaccine and doesn't understand how it works. But as per pom^ this is a dumb point to beef w/
(I didn't listen to this clip because why)
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link
I mean if there is any worthy "well, actually" this would seem to be a valid one
doesn't that imply that a vaccine wouldn't actually drop the transmission rates then?
― frogbs, Friday, 15 January 2021 15:04 (three years ago) link
his intent is to talk shit about vaccines and create doubt about vaccines not inform people with nuanced medical information
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
xp that is a concern abt it, yeah, it's why we need x% to get vaccinated
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
I get that ums, just saying it was irresponsible to pull that quote in the context of what I'm sure what a lot of legit misinfo
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
so the idea is that you get infected but don't get the disease, therefore making it so you don't pass it elsewhere?
― frogbs, Friday, 15 January 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
this may be better on a covid thread
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
(no, idea is making it so you don't get sick or die form it)
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
from
obv important to know how the vax works, but for some strange reason something is preventing me from giving Ariel Pink the benefit of the doubt that his motives for this argument are purely informational vs enjoying having a gotcha to spring on people
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
porquenolosdos.gif
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
just saying it was irresponsible to pull that quote in the context of what I'm sure what a lot of legit misinfo
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
I know this isn't the thread but I don't want to leave it hanging so let me just say -- the studies assessing whether the vaccine prevents infection and transmission have not been finished yet, but there is every reason to expect the vaccine to stop or at least decrease those. What we know now is:
* the vaccines all do a really good job keeping people from getting sick;* they probably reduce infection and transmission but we are not sure about that yet
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
I think I'll wait until the medical experts like R. Stevie Moore weigh in on this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
"I think I'll wait until the medical experts like R. Stevie Moore weigh in on this"
LOL
― skip, Friday, 15 January 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!
― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, May 5, 2005 8:47 AM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― jmm, Friday, 15 January 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
I mean, who among us is shocked that Ariel Pink takes retrograde/trollish political stands when he released a 2012 album called Ku Klux Glam. So edgy.
― skip, Friday, 15 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
from that Variety piece:
“because literally everything the Democrats stand for, every single platform, is bullshit. So Trump for me is an indictment on anything bullshit… I’m so gay for Trump, I would let him fuck me in the butt.”
I'm sure this has been suggested already, but are we totally certain this isn't just some terribly tasteless art prank? Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part. I still don't actually believe Vincent Gallo votes Republican, either. Not that it being a massive art prank would excuse any of it. Also not sure what the endgame would be of such a prank. I guess I find this all very confusing and not really that funny
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 16 January 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
gallo's thing isn't a schtick. neither is this.
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 January 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
this guy getting the benefit of the doubt even in 2020 makes me sick tbh.
― map, Saturday, 16 January 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link
artists are egomaniacs, how is it hard to imagine they'd be into trump
map OTM
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Saturday, 16 January 2021 01:25 (three years ago) link
for two reasons: fuck AP and 2020 is actually still happening
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Saturday, 16 January 2021 01:26 (three years ago) link
more like Ariel Stink amirite
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
artists are egomaniacsas generalizations go this is a really bad one
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 16 January 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link
this is like the morrissey thing again "eccentric" white guys with hipstery followings get the most ludicrous benefits of the doubt extended to them with this shit. maybe he's supporting fascism because he supports fascism and maybe supporting misogyny because he's a misogynist. maybe if i'm a fan this would be shocking but i'm not a fan because of why this isn't shocking
― Left, Saturday, 16 January 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
― map, Saturday, 16 January 2021 02:08 (three years ago) link
LadyIm a lady from today Cha
― calstars, Monday, 3 May 2021 03:23 (two years ago) link
Ooof less than 400 views on youtube. I guess the MAGA bots that were “supporting” him months ago jumped ship when their contract ended.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link
What has less than 400 views?
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 3 May 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link
A video for a new song (I guess that’s what it is, didn’t watch) he posted a week ago
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
I thought that was what calstars was referencing, went to his twitter to see if he had posted a song and he has but noone cares.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 3 May 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link
Nah I was just drinking last night and Menopause Man came on the shuffle.
― calstars, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
he has a fucking song called menopause man
― Left, Monday, 3 May 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link
Birther Control xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp
― Noel Emits, Saturday, 12 June 2021 16:52 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdNeissy3Pc
― Publicradio (3×5), Monday, 22 November 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
“Now the time’s right frontman to write those songs that say ‘I like that’”
― calstars, Saturday, 20 May 2023 00:38 (nine months ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CogLSt6OEey/
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 20 May 2023 01:07 (nine months ago) link