Faith No More: most underrated rock band of the 90s?

Agree with you on the U2-decline schadenfreude thing. Bunch of twats.

You sure about that? I think these guys would disagree:

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Also, their sound is quirky, but generally pretty accsessable ("Malpractice", "Cukkoo For Caca" etc. aside). They're not Mr. Bungle, who could certainly never make it huge.

"Epic," "Midlife Crisis" and "Book Of The Month" are faves of what he's done that I've heard. There's plenty I haven't.

"Falling To Pieces" is totally the dawn of Korn, ya know.

Korn weren't a copy of Faith No More, but it's hard to imagine Korn existing without their influence.

I actually like Faith No More, James is right that they didn't have one sound. Angel Dust is a good album!

OTFM, Anthony.

Plus they did some country.

but they DIDN'T alienate the market!!! when you turn on the mainstream alt-rock station and they're playing a song off Angel Dust or Real Thing or even the earlier incarnation with the other lead singer who did that song "We Care A Lot", dude, Jimbo, they were mainstream!!! Just because they ventured outside of one style and watered it down with bits of other styles, that does NOT make them innovative or even interesting!!! I'm glad you bought up Patton's back catalog, really, but what exactly is the argument here??!? They were a mainstream act with a few quirks (like that wacky Shania Twain who mixes country AND soft rock) who dabbled in a few styles. They got as much respect, radio airplay, and album sales as they deserved. And I don't want to hear another fucking word about it!!!

"Epic" was fucking weird for that era, and it became a huge phenomenon because of how absolutely different it was from everything else.

Or am I just out of my fucking mind?

Have you read the lyric sheet? Hmmm? Little kids could write better crap. And you make it seem as there were only two kids of 'metal' bands at the time. How about Suicidal Tendencies; they were metal/punk and then you have your Living Colour (and the Black Rock Coalition bands) and if you want to go way back, how about Run DMC and Aerosmith? A rap/metal song. Sound familiar? What about Grindcore or Death Metal? Metal didn't have it's sub-genres? My god, if you want to believe that Faith No Fucking More were innovative, fine. But I think that most of you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And that's just boring.

Hey James, go get yourself a Russian bride, or something. Release that tension, boy.

But, I distinctly remember watching Totally Pauly waiting for "Epic" to come on in between Janet Jackson, Kid N' Play, and Damn Yankees videos because it was a revolutionary kind of thing for my naive 15 year old ears and eyes. And I'm sure that was the case with countless other people too...including the guys who went on to form the nu-metal bands.

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and yes even the beloved In Living Color

"Homie don't play dat!"

How about all of Epic? Oh, and btw, I was a casual fan of FNM back in the day, so it's not like I have a grudge against them, or anything. Just drawing a line in the sand. You say they were innovative, I say they weren't.

They were......in Prague.

well, under those terms, there is no such thing as rap/metal. It just doesn't exist.

-- James Slone (freontrotsk...), July 22nd, 2004.

Dancing fish!

You just described every post in every thread on ILM, EVER!!!!

I wasn't used to you using a handle that wasn't already someone else's.

indeed, for i am an alex as well!

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You Want It All
But You Can't Have It
It's In Your Face
But You Can't Grab It

Genius stuff, man.

Ladies and gentlemen of ILx...your understatement of the year!

BAhahahahahahahaha. Gosh, ya think so?

Is the most recent album any good?

Well, bear in mind that I'm a zealous fan, but it's better than it had any right to be, as far as I'm concerned.

(I refer of course to their ridiculously popular cover of The Commodores' "Easy".)

like i said, great dancer too (for a fish).

BTW: There are very few top ten hits in the FNM catalog. What universe was Angel Dust a huge hit? Sure, it had radio/air play, but that doesn't equal sales or Billboard chart climbing.

ill out myself as an indie kid who loves faith no more. i got the real thing when it came out as an impressionable 10 year old. I didnt like everything on it, but thought it was pretty cool. I also picked up angel dust when that one came out but remember hating the shit out of it. it grew on me as i got older, obviously and i think its their crowning achievment, artistically. they kinda fell apart after all of the lineup changes, but like alex says, king for a day has a handfull of good songs on it and album of the year did as well.

Angel Dust is in my all-time top 20. The progression shown from The Real Thing is just remarkable. I agree with Alex that they recorded amazing material after AD too. Album Of the Year is an incredibly focused and coherent record.

this is actually interesting. even on *the real thing*, they were doing a sort of fake-middle-eastern music sometimes, right? and plenty of rock en espanol bands (los fabulosos cadillacs, caifanes, etc) wound up incorporating middle eastern stuff later as well. i can see how faith no more might have been an influence on those bands, in some ways. (though i bet the latin american guys were hearing REAL algerian rai stuff, too.) and i have to admit that it's been years since i listened to faith no more, so maybe i'm wrong. but from what i remember, fnm totally pale against lots of the south american and mexican rock bands of the mid '90s (who were way MORE eclectic.) but who knows, maybe sometime i'll listen to fnm again, and change my mind. (i do remember that i liked patton's vocals a lot more in undulating ballad mode than in his clunky rapping or hardcore modes.)

As far as I'm concerned, I liked them well enough at the time. I had an evening session from around the KfaD period on the other month out of curiousity and it was pretty good. However, and it's a big one, they were the first big 'funk rock' band to break in the UK (with 'Epic') and showed that you could get to #1 with ballads that didn't sound a bit like your reputation (I'm sure 'Easy' was #1, happy to be corrected) - and as such I hold them entirely responsible for the continuing career of Red Hot Chili Peppers beyond 'Mothers Milk', for which FNM should be reviled forever.

Hm...did FNM actually spawn System of a Down, then?

Oh I know, just look at how gross and offense song title have held back Tool.

As for "rap/metal" fusion, I can only assume you've just heard Epic and are basing everything on that. While Patton did staccato "rap" sections, that was hardly the epitome of their band, a fusion of "rap" and metal.

Name me one group who sounded like them on "Angel Dust" and say they were a mainstream act. Note that accessibility doesn't equate to mainstream sound, either. I consider many of King Crimson's songs "accessible" too.

You missed James' (very correct) points time and time again. No wonder he said "good riddance" to you.

It did debut at number 10 on the Billboard album chart, but that was entirely due to coming off a hit record (which may explain why this album was a staple of used CD stores in the 90s). It might have sold better had that Guns n' Roses/Metallica tour they were on when it was released not run into so many troubles.

Mike Patton speaks a fantastically fluent Italian - his Italian swearing being particularly good.

Now, much has been said that you won't 'get' this album until after a few listens. I'm not sure about this. It's severely awesome after just under 1 IMO. It's not a mindblowing record, not a 'new experience in sound', but it's kept me listening, entertained and thoroughly satisfied with my purchase. And it's got some REAL awesome, unconventionally-written songs. Best so far = probably Malpractice, or maybe Midlife Crisis.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), July 25th, 2004. (Ned) (link)

I was trying to say to this friend of mine who's a big System of a Down fan, that SoaD kinda sound like the first Mr. Bungle album. I even lent the album to her, but she refused to believe me. But I still think they do sound like it.

sorry, I know I'm about two years late to this party, but I just had to mention that the above comment might just be the single most inaccurate stream of words ever recorded in the history of human communication.

that is all.

I stand corrected. THAT was the single most inaccurate stream of words ever recorded in the history of human communication.

I love Faith No More still to this day.

they do give good schmaltz though - 'this guy's in love' and 'spanish eyes' are fantastic.

what with oasis not released any new music in this period, i am surprised you say this. perhaps it's bollocks?

No, I'm quite certain, and that's why I was fed up with it. They really floundered in the post-Britpop years, which was a shame really cos it had a really good format.

Not trying to one-up Dog Latin here but while (imho) the effects of Britpop were pretty cancerous for UK music, it's impact on the quality of music journalism was more akin to a flesh eating virus.

But then I remember when Smash Hits would have one page completely devoted to dance/indie/rock etc charts. That kind of broad approach is unthinkable even for Plan B anymore it seems (ok ok, counter argument could be that the charts have become far more irrelevant in the mp3 age BUT I have the notion that more awareness of their machinations and trends in general among indie people would be a better alternative to the current state of affairs than throwing Ideological Popism at them and hoping they die (or at least stop fooling around with retro guitars and seeing every Arctic Monkey record sold as a victory of real-ness).

This isn't the direction things are going to go in though quite clearly. That idea was lost a long time ago. Youtube > TOTP/MTV and iPod > Radio. In all probability not a bad thing, a changing culture is better than a dying one, but it makes me wonder if rock bands like Faith No More are going to be a thing of the past. Maybe Slipknot are the closest equivalent these days... Or Lordi.

Ah, Marion Barry, how we loved thee.

Faith No More's Epic was one of those albums my dad brought home only to have me play the living shit out of when I was around 10ish (I think that's when it came out. We had the cassette and the liners fell apart from being opened again and again). I loved Angel Dust, but had a friend who bought King For A Day and declared that it sucked, so I gave it a pass. Ah, youf. I liked Album of the Year a lot (I still think it's underrated), and probably would have rated it eponymously then.

I do remember catching them on that tour and seeing a young Limp Bizkit open up for FNM. LB kept saying "Who likes Rage? Who wants to hear some Rage?" and played not one, not two, but hree Rage Against the Machine covers. They were booed off the stage. (And thus, I can say that I hated LB before they got big).

I haven't heard that in probably 10 years....I remember it being really "wierd" but I bet it's not so wierd now.

Hmmm...

http://www.thetripwire.com/uncategorized/2009/02/24/faith-no-more-will-reunite-for-summer-tour/

if martin was playing, I'd go (maybe)

Was that really Kim Dowsett posting things like this?:

word, ma nigga!

― Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:12 (4 years ago)

Oh, just read the rest of the thread and I see it wasn't. nm.

see you in europe, everyone!

I thought hell would freeze over before patton would reform FNM

Don't care in the least.

if you notice me calling you a dumbass, then you care at least as much to open this thread twice!

No word yet if iconic “Epic” guitar-soloist (and primary guitar player for most of the band’s existence) Jim Martin, or original singer Chuck Mosely will be involed.

lol that would be worth seeing

Just because I opened the thread again doesn't mean I care about the band/reunion, merely that I'm interested to see what ILM has to say about it... xpost

Nice try! ;-)

I SUGGEST it's a good thing this BANd is reforming.

if the sad old pixies can do a karaoke tour and pay rent for 2 more years, why not these guys.

to be honest, if someone had asked me, in 1994, whether these bands would do this 15 years later, I would've said no. but i don't know why. every generation thinks it had a bright burning moment?

Sorry to disappoint you Sundar, did you really have to ask?! but I guess I should thank you for having this thread now come up under my real name on Google? man alive... :P

Superb collection of posters they have for this tour: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=99941&id=16942753414&comments#/album.php?aid=99941&id=16942753414

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I don't know know about the nineties but a big yes for the eighties.

Alright... I'm revisiting these FNM albums and what can I say... they're pretty good.

YOU WIN WHINEY

YOU WIN

F*N*M* rool. dunno if they're still 'under-rated' but they're certainly unfuckwithable in my book.

i can't really be sure about how properly rated they are. none of my friends like them, so they seem under-appreciated. they also get zero radio play here in toronto, unlike the RHCP's, nirvanas and soundgardens of the same era.

angel dust and king for a day... are my favourites. the latter is creeping up and slowly becoming more of a favourite, but there are different qualities that i love about both.

Going to see these dudes tomorrow night.

Seeing on th 5th

5th No More

So is Chuck Moseley involved then? I saw them twice with Chuck and then twice with Mike Patton, and the Chuck gigs >>>>>>>>> the Patton gigs.

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On April 14, 2010, Mosley made a surprise appearance on stage at a Faith No More concert in San Francisco. This marks the first time since 1988 that he has performed with the band. Chuck performed the songs "As the Worm Turns", "Death March", "We Care A Lot", and "Mark Bowen" on his own with the band, and was joined by Mike Patton during the final encore to perform a duet on "Introduce Yourself"

Holy shit - I did not know this! I also forgot about "Will Rap Over Hard Rock For Food." Will have to get around to checking that out, next time I buy music.

sounds pretty ace, although i loved patton's take on 'Mark Bowen' during the Angel Dust tour...

I also forgot about "Will Rap Over Hard Rock For Food." Will have to get around to checking that out, next time I buy music.

Don't do it. Seriously, don't.

I've never heard FNM's pre-Patton albums. Worth checking out (bearing in mind that The Real Thing is my least favourite of the Patton ones)?

defintely.

if anything, they're weirder than what came after The Real Thing.

aw <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6igTdwJSg

<3 patton and chuck together as friends <3

Yeah, I thought that when Mike replaced Chuck, the band lost most of what made them interesting - the mix of funk and punk and rap and metal that i'd found enagaging got blanded out into predominantly metal. Maybe they got more interesting again later, but by then I'd moved on. And honestly; those Chuck gigs were astounding.

Still needs Big Jim back tbh

Still needs Big Jim back tbh

― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Saturday, July 3, 2010 4:19 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

was watching bill and ted's bogus adventure the other day and it made me think the same thing.

Whiney you are in for a treat.

Sorry for posting this in full, but it's worth it:

“Some weeks ago, the FNM “fan club guy” was asking about how to contact me, he wanted to talk to me about the fan page.. After several exchanges via email, he and I decided to do a Q&A thing for the fans. My departure from FNM in 1993 was controversial; I left while the band was still at the peak of its success. I am proud of my contributions to the success and legacy of FNM. I appreciate the time and effort it took to put these questions together. Thank you for the opportunity”, States Jim MArtin

1. Nefertiti Malaty

Q: What do you consider the highlight of your career?

A: Performing with Bo Diddly, Klaus Mein, Metallica, Gary Rossington, Pepper Keenan Sean Kinney Jerry Cantrell John Popper Jason Newstead, singing Misfits songs with Metallica live during our tour with them and GNR.

2. Eric Land
Q: You are an influence to many younger guitarists today, but who were your biggest influences and what do you remember about how those people helped to craft your sound and play style?

A: My influences to a greater extent were Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, and David Gilmore. Mostly Page. His method of using a pick and his fingers at the same time and his way of squeezing the humanity out of a guitar. It’s funny how influences work. My influences were influenced by old blues men. Those legendary blues men were influenced by their tribal ancestors. The tribal ancestors are the link back to the beginning; they are the keepers of the essence. Through my influences I am connected to the roots of time and the music that elevates the primordial spirit of mankind. We do not truly compose anything genuinely new, the listeners and the presentation are what is new, and it is the perspective that varies. The ability of expression and improvisation, the stuff of creation that fascinates all life.

3. Grant
Q: It was great seeing you play again during the Metallica event...also some very great words spoken about Cliff....it was great to see ya!
Weird question, Big Jim...and I only just thought of it while scrolling through the last post on FNM Blog: What was the deal with you being the only clothed FNM member in the infamous "FNM underwear poster"? Did you just think the photo idea was dumb, or did you think it'd be better/funnier with one dude dressed to the nines in jeans, leather vest, etc. while everyone else was near nekkid.

Thanks for doing this Q&A, man! Excited to see the responses!

A: I remember it was one of the first big photo shoots for us set up by London Records. Ross Halfin, “Famous Rock Photographer”, was pretty aggressive, barking orders and abusing band members, particularly Puffy. He ordered everyone to strip down. I said “forget it” (I thought it was dumb). The other guys did, he snapped the picture and at that moment, I understood why he was famous…

4. Anonymous
Q: I'm a crazy obsessed fan and have listened to just about all the bootlegs and read all the interviews...Despite "not being into" the music on Angel Dust (so it is written in places), you played flawlessly all of 92-93 and I even caught you banging your head enthusiastically during the Phoenix Festival. Also, while others were bad-mouthing you, you always played it off with a joke and came off as the bigger person (you were hilarious in the Maida Vale interviews!)...somethiing doesn't add up. Were you really that unhappy? If so, how do you keep such a cool head and stay so professional?

A: Thank you for the great compliment.
My publicized “not being into” Angel Dust was all about the way the whole process went down. There was a lot of weird pressure to follow up The Real Thing, and as a consequence, the album AD was more contrived musically than I thought was necessary. I wanted more of the record to happen in the studio and Bill wanted every last tack nailed down before we went in. I wanted to spend time with it, management and the record company wanted to rush it out the door. There were a bunch of journalists in the studio. We were paying for a bunch of sampling that we could have created. Matt Wallace was calling me on the phone complaining about Mike Patton’s performance. Management and record company were calling me complaining about Mike Patton’s performance and desire for outside projects.
The record company president came in the studio and said: “I hope nobody bought houses” All the air got sucked out of the room. That was one of those great moments when reality slaps you in the face. Some of my associates (had) bought houses. The pressure was on, and everyone wanted to be in the studio with me while I recorded, endlessly tinkering and fucking with me and fucking with Matt, and Matt is a really fucking wound up guy already. Prior to AD, I would work alone with Matt and his assistant engineer period. I had to kick everyone out and even though it was not a new concept it really pissed everyone off.
Live performances were always very strong. From my perspective, we came across a lot heavier than the records. Over time, the chord progressions and the arrangements would morph in subtle ways that would make the set heavier than the studio version. As far as the bullshit in the press, yeah, there was a lot of negativity, and I tried to avoid being part of it to the point of refusing interviews. Of course I was unhappy; individuals were making decisions which would prove to be damaging to FNM. However, despite these distractions, real people paid to see a show and we were able to deliver thanks to the support of a great crew and a great sound man, Greg Bess, who was used to working with the heavy bands. I actually really enjoyed those shows.

5. Anonymous
Q: If you could collaborate for a single cover song with any musician, dead or alive, who would that be and what would the song be?

A: I sure miss Cliff. Cliff Burton. We could do any song and twist it up horribly. I think if there were an opportunity to collaborate, we would write something new. Put Dave (Donato – Agents of Misfortune) in there on the drum kit and create something Cliff’s mother would call “Fucked Up Weirdos”.

6. Matt Slavsky
A: I'll get this one out...what is your relationship like now with the members of Faith No more?

Q: To be honest Matt, that is an emotional subject. There has been much negative rhetoric in the press, and it was my choice to either play their game, fight with them and let the press spin it, or leave them to play with themselves and allow you to make a decision based on the work I left behind. In an effort to avoid the negativity, I chose the latter. However, there are some points that I would like to address.

I read a couple of interviews Matt Wallace did, and his simplified explanations can lead one to believe that I hate homosexuals, I did not contribute to Angel Dust, and I did not play guitar on the record. Ouch. Something else is a little more accurate. The guitar parts are mine; that’s me playing guitar on all the tracks. I contributed much to the songwriting and arrangements. Bill added some fluff to “Midlife Crisis” and “Midnite Cowboy” and wrote everything for his song “Small Victory”, Mike wrote everything for “Malpractice”, I wrote everything and created the samples for “Jizzlobber” ; Bill contributed the keyboard outro. Mike wrote all of the lyrics for the album except Roddy wrote lyrics for “Be Aggressive”.

Matt’s commentary about Roddy seemed a little weird; we (band members) all knew Roddy was gay long before he “came out” and it was not an issue for anyone.

Matt also forgot to mention that he and I spent a lot of time together on the production of TRT and AD improving the recording method and sonic profile in the studio. I insisted on the co-producer credit for FNM on those 2 records because of that work. Notice The Real Thing and Angel Dust are the only two FNM records co-produced by Matt Wallace and Faith No More.

I saw something in Wiki where someone pulled a comment out of an old bucket: Jim Martin said “I don’t know why It’s called Angel Dust, I had nothing to do with it” While that is true, it is not complete. The idea was Roddy’s, and nobody else had anything to do with it either. He came in with a basic concept of a bird front, meat locker back, and Angel Dust for the title. The question was: “How do we get it (Roddy’s idea) to the record cover?” We lost control of the sleeve art on the last 2 releases. The Real Thing and Introduce Yourself were conceived and designed by “the record company” and we simply paid the bill. This was an opportunity of artistic expression and finally one of us had an idea everyone would go along with. I got in contact with Mark Leialoha to discuss the idea, he got Werner “Vern” Krutein involved because Werner ran a stock agency and was able to produce the necessary photographs allowing us to realize Roddy’s idea. I had the idea of the Russian army in the sleeve, inspired by The Pogues album “Rum Sodomy and The Lash” which I was really into at the time. I rode hard on that and made sure it happened the way WE wanted it to happen. There was a lot of squealing when it came time to pay the bill, but at the end of the day, we retained control of our resources, we were able to use our people, and we maintained creative control.

7. Matt Thompson
Q: Jim! With your publicized dislike of the content/direction of Angel Dust - are you surprised by how, 20 years on, it is widely regarded as one of the most influential 'metal' albums of the past 30 years?

A: Thanks for the opportunity Matt.

As for my like or dislike of AD I touched on that a little, so please refer to question 4 above.

I am happy AD is regarded in a positive way. It is an affirmation of the legacy we all worked to create. I am aware that some of the newer bands I actually like have referred to FNM as an influence. I am also aware AD was on the Kerrang! Most influential albums List of 2003. Is it an artist’s affirmation? That’s fine. Am I surprised? I don’t think anyone can be expected to anticipate something like this.

8. Otto Will Hashmi
Q: What kind of music are you listening to today? Is there anything that we might not generally expect that you like to listen to?

A: I’ve been listening to Machine Head, a great metal band out of Oakland CA. I enjoy classic jazz, reminds me of weird times as a kid. I like the “Glorious lethal euphoria” of The Mermen It’s crazy hardcore psychedelic surf music and hits the mark hard. I’ll listen to any improv, at least for a few minutes.

9. Follow The Bubbles
Q: Is it true that you were offered to perform at reunion tour dates - if it is true why did you decline? Fans would have been so happy to see on stage too!

A: Thanks Bubbles.

For some time during 2008, I had been receiving information with increasing frequency that “we” were booking a reunion tour, festivals, Europe. I was informed that yes, the promoters were selling it as the original line up. In February 2009, Roddy called and said they were just beginning to think of putting something together, and just now feeling out everyone, and what did I think? I said yes, I was interested. I also told him I knew the tour was already booked, they were on the eve of announcing it, and it was time to sign the deals. I told him to send over the contracts so I could review them and started pressing management for details. Several days later, I was able to get management on the phone who told me they decided to use someone else…I know it’s odd, no, you didn’t miss anything. It happened just like that. In an effort to preclude any sloppy misinformation, I made the announcement that I would not be participating in the rumored reunion dates several days before they made their announcement.

10. Sean Kehoe
Q: If Faith No More tours again and if they asked would you make an appearance, kind of like when Chuck did a couple of songs? Would love to watch you perform songs like Malpractice or Jizzlobber would be awesome!

A: Thanks Sean. I know the fans want the real thing, and I was prepared to have a real dialogue about doing a run together. Unfortunately, it didn’t happen. As for a random appearance, I do not feel that would do anyone justice.

11. Jon Hanusa
Q: If you could use Bill and Ted's phone booth to go back in time to the Angel Dust era, would you do anything differently to make sure you and FNM were heading in the same direction? If so, what?

A: Number one thing: limit journalist access and impose more control over the interviews. Almost anyone could get an interview at that time. It was a free for all, and it hurt us.

12. David Barajas
Q: Have you been jamming with anyone lately, and do you have any plans to make more music?
A: No, I’m not working with anyone right now but I do have plans to publish more music. I released a record some time ago called “Milk and Blood” go to rotgrub.com and email the webmaster for details.

13.Andrew Dunn
Q: What do you think of the music FNM have created post you? And how do you feel when you see other guitarists belting out you licks?
A: I remember hearing some of the music a long time ago but I didn’t really study it. I remember thinking it was heavily reliant on Mike. As for other persons playing my music, I don’t really believe anyone could book a show as FNM without playing my music.

14. Bob Anderson
Q: Being one of the best shredders of your era/generation, and having rubbed shoulders with some awesome musicians in your time, have you never considered forming your own little "supergroup" to set the music word to rights!!??
A: Most of my associates have families and projects taking up their time, and I’m very consumed with the things I am doing. I hope I can get to a place where I’ll be able to do something pretty soon. There are no specific plans at this time. Thanks for a great compliment.

15. Mark Rayburn
Q: Hey Jim, thanks a bunch for doin this. So where did you get the moniker "big sick ugly" from and did you like it??
A: It was bestowed upon me by the filthy press. I am pretty sure Geoff Barton gets the credit. Steffan “Cheese Burger” Chirazi, “Krusher Joule” and Neil “Greasy Chester” Perry helped magnify and perpetuate it and it was Kerrang!, once again, who rolled that one out there. Thanks to them for some funny times.

New album, US tour: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/faith-no-more-to-release-first-album-in-18-years-plot-u-s-tour-20140902

Intrigued by a new album but mostly excited to finally see them live (eventually, theoretically)

recorded in Oakland- I'll be on the lookout.

lol NA otm, my first thought was 'yay! tour!'

I'm really really excited about the new album - Patton's been on good form the last few years, and the new songs they've played live have sounded cool.

Maybe sensible to manage my expectations a bit though.

yeah, the new songs played at Hyde Park over the Summer were ace. really looking forward to this.

I still get people shaking their head when I tell them how great Faith No More was, at least for those two albums. One of those awesome bands inadvertently responsible for so much not-awesome. When I saw them in Philly behind "Angel Dust" there was practically a riot. The crowd stormed the stage and walked off with a hunk of the instruments, afaict with the band's tacit OK. (Helmet opened, iirc.)

I'd argue that the first four albums are all brilliant, and the two that followed definitely had their moments. And the shows I saw them play on the Angel Dust tour - not to mention their original 'farewell' show at Brixton Academy in the late 90s, where they played with Sparks (and, for that matter, their subsequent reunions shows) are among the best rock shows I have ever seen.

I saw them in the early 90's when they supported Guns n Roses on their preposterous Use your illusion tour. I think Angel Dust was just about to be released. Mind bending stuff naturally.

Was that the tour with NIN on as well (or maybe that was just in the UK)? Some line up if so...

It was FNM, Soundgarden and GnR at Wembley. It must have been 1991 / 92. Soundgarden were pretty decent too having recently released Badmotorfinger.

gotcha, yeah great bill!

June 92, so the same month Angel Dust came out. Midlife Crisis had been out for about a month. Badmotorfinger had been out for about a year.

The fairly lightly attended Chuck-era shows in places like Newcastle Mayfair and Aberdeen Venue seem like an eternity away.

Their reunion tour a few years back was fucking awesome.

Forthcoming single is a remix by Jim Thirwell which is exciting to me (but I'm mostly on board with the main thing of seeing them live again if possible).

the aforementioned foetus remix :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh-7OovZIRg

fUcking love it.

yeah, this is great.

Taken down.

boo

Noooooooooooooo

Philly show sold out almost instantly. Over 200 tickets for sale on Stubhub almost instantly. Hating scalpers so hard right now.

STOKED for the new album

I respect Faith No More, and even listen to them from time to time, but sometimes I think-- this band pioneered quite possibly the world's worst genre, rap-metal.

They have 3-4 rap metal songs max though.

Yeah, I think you're thinking of Urban Dance Squad.

It feels like there's a rap-metal undercurrent in a lot more than just 3-4 songs. In my opinion, the worst thing about Faith No More is how dated they sound, both on "The Real Thing" and "Angel Dust." For whatever reason, it just sounds old. The keys in particular usually sound cheap and horrible.

xpost Don't blame Urban Dance Squad! They were great and not rap metal.

have tix for SF show in April :D

Lucky! I tried both the presale and the general public sale and failed.

they went quick

appaz a ton of tix showed up on stubhub soon after :/

the only faith no more i could get into was the first version with chuck mosley, that dude had an awesome personality as a vocalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKP98hDBJ8w#t=56

this one sounds much less good to me

i really like it

Yep, that's definitely Faith No More. Harking back to The Real Thing in terms of arrangement.

Tracklist, BTW:

01. Sol Invictus
02. Superhero
03. Sunny Side Up
04. Separation Anxiety
05. Cone of Shame
06. Rise of the Fall
07. Black Friday
08. Motherfucker
09. Matador
10. From the Dead

the new album is A CRACKER

Guessing it'll leak pretty soon.

cool song. pointless to compare it to Album of the Year given so much time has lapsed, still i'm glad it doesn't seem like they picked up from where they left off.

the new album is A CRACKER

― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie)

Getting pretty incredible early reviews.

it's kind of amazing, if you had just played the first second of that new song to me, I would have known immediately that it was Faith No More. Something about that guitar tone...l

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

no i love the outro

disappointing to see that Jim Martin's not back...

Never gonna happen.

interesting song. it sounds very nu-metal to me (except for the keys)... but then, I guess they'd sort of pioneered that sound.

what happened to Jim that it's never gonna happen?

He now lives in Castro Valley, California, with his wife, son, and daughter. He has gained fame in recent years for his non-musical endeavors in championship pumpkin growing.

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

Yeah, seriously. I kept waiting for the cool suprise breakdown parts that FNM arrangements usually offer, but nope. Not bad, but doesn't justify the length and repetition. Might work better in context.

it's a really good album

i saw jim martin and mike patton share a stage... when patton was watching martin play with infectious grooves at orion (rip)

i was there B)

RIGHT NEXT TO ME

I dunno if pining for Jim is really the move anyway since, w/ King for a Day and Album of the Year their entire sound got streamlined, and sleeker and more eccentric and less "metal" and even less macho to some extent

They're probably the type of guys that would value growing as a band than pulling an INDIE CINDY and stopping by with more of the same shit; and thus would necessitate Hudson in the fold. Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

Basically, they moved on and so should you, imho

agree

Though it's true that it makes Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey historically inaccurate

It couldn't maintain its airtight consistency forever.

Jim shreds but Whiney basically otm..."it's over man, let him go"

Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

I like many prefer Angel Dust, but Martin had very little input into the creative direction of that album by all accounts.

wow i can't believe i just learned about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17UkOTIwyg

listened to their whole discog for a live review once, thought they were overrated if anything =\

you're wrong but it's ok

it always struck me that the production on their albums weren't as good or as appropriate as they could have been.

like it did them a disservice more often than not

the last time i saw fnm before the reunion they played brixton academy with sparks as support, and brought them back on to play this town... as the encore. they were better that night than they'd been since the angel dust tour.

whoahey! it's maura!

Blatant self-promo, etc, but my Faith No More feature is in the new issue of MOJO, the one with Fleetwood Mac on the cover (which is a great, great piece as well). Buy it, magazines smell nice.
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11350981_1609890965916481_969707631_n.jpg

:D

does anyone understand the ire between patton and the chilis? from the mr. bungle set where they make the "hAPPY herroween" joke to neil hamburger opening for FNM and taking the piss out of RHCP - anyone get it?

guess he kicked them off a bill, but seems like patton took it pretty hard, including covering them in a mock fashion

As I understand it, Anthony Kiedis wasn't too thrilled when he saw the video to 'Epic' (he felt Patton was copping his look, moves and vocal style) and nor was he too thrilled about Mr Bungle putting out an album called California at the same time as Californication was out. Mr Bungle ended up getting kicked off a lot of festivals and subsequently found out that the reason why was Kiedis had threatened to pull RHCP from the line-ups if Mr Bungle played. Patton and co. were obviously furious, and I'm sure this is what actually led to the Halloween RHCP piss-take gig.

Story I heard was that Bungle came up with the name Californication, Keidis was told it by one of the band or something and nicked it for the Chilis album, so Bungle had to call theirs the much more boring California. Read that on the internet ages ago so may be misremembered/totally inaccurate.

Patton hates the Chillis because he has ears and a brain

I don't think I had any concept of this feud when it was first popping off. Didn't read those interviews in Kerrang or whatever. But this quote is great.

I'd really like to set all that straight. What he doesn't realize is that I am Anthony Kiedis, and I'm the raddest dude. Let me tell you, I'm in the greatest band, and it's so cool. But all these jerks, one of which is that Mike Patton asshole, all want to be me. So I'm gonna get him, and I'm gonna get him good. - Mike Patton 1990

I sure hope that Bungle didn't want to name California Californication, because Californication is one of the stupidest words I've ever heard.

Thanks for all the great info

The real early video of one of Faith No More's first performances of Epic (@4:15) is a lil Keidisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv1gzId2Fk

Also, I love Chuck, but I do always like when Patton does "Crab Song"

I love Chuck but I think p much all Patton's versions of Chuck songs beat the originals. Chuck was never really a singer, by his own admission.

Anne's Song is still probs my favourite FNM song though, and no one else should ever sing it.

Since we're posting videos, this is def my favorite FNM live clip. Love the post-reunion feel of a tight 4-piece with Patton kind of soloing like a jazz musician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x_4keMigs