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Apparently they have just signed to 5:15 records. Brighton's answer to the Shangri La's.

Could well be the next big thing. Has anyone seen the live show yet or know if they have a website?

Plutorecords, Friday, 7 May 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

total blatant horrible street-teaming this thread may well be...but actually this lot look kinda interesting.

From their biog/manifesto thing:

There is a traditional historiography of popular music which in some way or another always seems to come back to the Beatles; and Lonnie Donegan who begat The Beatles, and Elvis who begat Lonnie Donegan, John Lee Hooker who begat Elvis and Robert Johnson who begat John Lee Hooker etc etc. But that is not what we are interested in here.

We don't love you (yeah, yeah, yeah).

We don't want to hold your hand.

So let us start in 1957, the year Phil Spector, aged 17, wrote and produced his first hit, "To Know Him is To Love Him", taking the title from his father's epitaph...

I haven't a clue who they are, but I likes the cut of their jib, I does.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 May 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

www.thepipettes.co.uk according to Do Something Pretty, though I can't check this because our firewall at work blocks their website. The picture of them intrigued me somewhat, as I'm a sucker for indie girls with minimal choreography of hand gestures (as my love for Danielson Famile attests).

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 7 May 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Ta....

Apparently GLC's manager was interesting in doing some stuff for them. Not bad for a band who have only played a handful of gigs.

Plutorecords, Friday, 7 May 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
nice to see this band finally getting some records out soon.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah.

they supported the Go! Team on their recent jaunt around the country, and made me smile and laff a lot when i caught their show in bristol.

very twee and innocent sounding power pop anthems with girl power infused lyrics ..

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I *like* The Pipettes, but they need some serious production behind them to beef them up a bit to make me love them. They have one song 'ABC' which, given production ala Rubicon by Alan Braxe and Fred Falke would be incredible. As it stands, the twee-ness of the production really grates on me.

Good fun live though.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Apparently they've just signed to Memphis Industries. Hope it's for good this time.

daavid (daavid), Monday, 27 June 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry to vent my bile here, but...

I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

It's a genre that I adore, a band I should love, but I've seen them a couple of times and they just leave me cold.

It just seems so very... studied. I don't know. It's a genre that should be about FUN!!! and sugar and humor and girly spontenaity. But there's just something so... not right about them. Perhaps it's my own prejudices at seeing a bunch of girls doing dance moves in front a bunch of male backing musicians rather than "doing it for themselves". But the overall impression is somehow the fun, the giggles, the girliness - what makes me LOVE this kind of music - has been sucked out of it, and it's just this limp ironic joke by a bunch of people who are doing it cause they think it's "cool" rather than through any genuine kind of love of the music.

Anyway... sorry. I wanted so badly to like them.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 07:04 (eighteen years ago) link

oh well.

i love the new single! transgressive records rule.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm very VERY fond of them.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 27 June 2005 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread needs a pic.
http://www.underexposed.org.uk/pipettes/pipettesbh2.jpg

daavid (daavid), Monday, 27 June 2005 07:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd rather see the Schla La Las any day of the week. A FAR superior interpretation of the genre in every way possible.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe, but The Pipettes are better looking. But I've yet to listen to both of them.

daavid (daavid), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just suddenly remembered why I don't read/post to ILM any more.

Never mind, forget I even said anything. I give up.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link

because we don't agree with you?

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Because they're being judged on their looks and not their music i presume

mms (mms), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:26 (eighteen years ago) link

oh

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Bingo.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I am dead keen innit. Who'd have thought that hand claps would suit In The Bleak Midwinter so well?

j0e (j0e), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Like Kate, I'm not so keen on the male backing band thing. Plus, if I want to see danccing girls in 60's outfits I'd go and see dance troop The Actionettes, who are much more fun.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed!

And, well, Miss AMP to thread for a much more insightful, incisive and more FUN deconstruction of said Pipettes...

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(This is going to turn into girl-band turf war if we're not careful...)

Anna (Anna), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

It won't be a turf war, because I don't even consider them to be even vaguely the same genre of music.

(Oh wait, see the above thread, it doesn't actually matter what the music sounds like, it will all be judged based on looks alone, sigh.)

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, because one post out of seventeen is the entire thread.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

my vote is for the long blondes.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh i've been keen to hear them

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Haven't seen them yet, what are they like?

(Is that the difference, that I'm basing my impressions on live performances rather than recorded output?)

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

They're pretty good The Long Blondes, I've only heard a couple of tracks though.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

the show i saw was frankly not that great, but i really like the recorded stuff i've heard. girl group/spector-ish sass with some art rock thrown in, very shambolic and not at all cutesy.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

>>Because they're being judged on their looks and not their music i presume

Why shouldn't they be? Looks & image are clearly important to the band, and their onstage persona (and some of the songs too) gives me the impression that they know they're attractive & are taking advantage of the situation.

Even so, I love 'em. The two 45s are both fantastic, & live they're so much fun. Looking forward to hearing The Long Blondes sometime too.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Why shouldn't they be? Looks & image are clearly important to the band, and their onstage persona (and some of the songs too) gives me the impression that they know they're attractive & are taking advantage of the situation.

Because the same considerations don't even get a look-in when males are discussing male bands.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The Pipettes are great fun. And I don't think having a boy backing band makes them any less "credible". It's a nice touch to get the boys to wear home knitted tank tops with their initials on em. And if we're talking about looks, well the boys are pretty cute too.
I interviewed the band and it was the girls who did all the talking - the boys just went off to the kitchen for a smoke. They're really smart and articulate people and are having lots of fun with the girl group genre and aesthetic. Although one of the boys formed the band, the girls have a lot of input. But would it matter if they didn't? It's pop music after all...

Stew (stew s), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

It's weird, it seems almost like The Pipettes are a "girl group for boys" rather than a "girl group by, for and of girls".

I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but whatever it is that I love about girlgroup music - the fun, the fizz, the joy - it's lacking from them.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

(And I mean "girl group" as a genre - music descended from/inspired by Shangri-Las, Ronettes, etc - rather than as groups comprised of girls.)

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link

wouldn't it be terrible if someone posted extensively about the appearances of musicians like Carl Barat or Pete Doherty or J Spaceman or Bobby Gillespie or...

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the girls have just signed to memphis industries.

lets see if all this build up pays off once we actually get to hear some records ..

mark e (mark e), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i've heard two!

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually had no idea what they looked like until someone posted that picture, if that helps any. I just like their songwriting.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Because they're being judged on their looks and not their music i presume.

Oh wait, see the above thread, it doesn't actually matter what the music sounds like, it will all be judged based on looks alone, sigh.

Oh, come on I wasn't being entirely serious, I never implied that looks are all that mattered. Although I think in THIS PARTICULAR CASE looks are somewhat important. You've admitted, MISinformation that "the fun, the giggles, the girliness" is part of what you love about this music. What's wrong with adding "looks" to the mix. Plus I have to say I wasn't just refering physical beauty. In fact, its the outfits and the attitude what I like the most.

daavid (daavid), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw them when I was in London in May. Their show was a lot of fun and made me smile a lot. I kept thinking they'd be good touring partners for Saturday Looks Good To Me.

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm almost tired of them already and i have only heard a few snippets of their music. didn't they replace one of the girls already?

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, they replaced Julia (the one on the left). Can't remember the name of the new girl.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I've listened to the samples on their website, and I like them. But then I like tweepop in general.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the new one is gwenno, she's welsh, there is an interview with them on soundsxp.com

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

just heard Hue play new Brakes single (album?) which has the Pipettes singing backing on the Mary Chain's 'Sometimes Always'. which shows good taste in cover versions anyway. (is about 1:45 into tuesday's show if anyone's interested).

> Because the same considerations don't even get a look-in when males are discussing male bands.

i think they do, it's just that Ian McCulloch, say, or Jim Reid, or Kurt* or whoever are 'Cool' rather than 'Attractive'.

*Ralske obviously 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
i'm listening to the new single right now(you can find it on fluxblog) and it's soooo good. i dont think there's any band today that makes me genuinly HAPPY the way the pipettes do. i know this is so stupid to say but if there is any band i cant understand people disliking it would be this one.

they played in london tonight and of course i didnt find out until it was too late. gah.

does anyone when the album is supposed to come out?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"in the spring" apparently

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

their forum seems to favour it being titled "pipettes sounds"

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I caught the show last night - it was the first time I had seen them and I thought they were great - they obviously are having a lot of fun doing what they are doing! I think they are doing a session on BB6 music today.

If you wanna talk about eye candy though, you should have seen the first openers, the Gypsy Queens (?) who were doing a sort of spoof Girls Aloud / Sugababes style thing. Maybe they were deadly serious? All I know is that the men in the crowd were really gawking at the undulating bodies of these scantily clad ladies.

Anyway, back to the Pipettes... If they are so popular, and their latest single is in the top 50 singles this week, how can they still have copies of their 2nd 7" (ltd to 1000 copies) still available for £3 at their shows? Is everybody just downloading them?

marianna (mariannapm), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

the transgressive 7"? i'd take a guess that it's not as limited as it claims.

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone who wants to download some songs:

go to yahoo and sign in with the name the_pipettes and password abc123

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad you enjoyed the show Marianna. The record they were selling at the show is actually the *third* singe, a US-only single on Total Gaylord (oh yes).
As I'm sure you're aware, you probably only need to sell 1000 records to get a 49 midweek.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, sorry, I meant the 3rd single, but I think they are hand numbered and say out of 1000 on them as well.

marianna (mariannapm), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

As I'm sure you're aware, you probably only need to sell 1000 records to get a 49 midweek.

St. Etienne to thread!

Also, "Dirty Mind" is very awesome.

James.Cobo (jamescobo), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone know how old these ladies are?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm sure it's legal to be attracted to them

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

and im sure they're younger than me so that's not why I asked :)

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

eh, i meant to say im sure i am younger than them. sorry

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

anyways i don't actually know. i speculate early 20s.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

It's kinda crazy how much I love "Dirty Mind." One of my favorite singles of the year, no doubt.

It seems pretty clear that those girls are early to mid 20s. About my age, but slightly younger maybe.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Love 'em, love 'em, love 'em. Fabulous live but if anything I think their recorded stuff is better. "Simon Says", "Judy" and "It Hurts To See You Dance So Well" are perfecto pop tracks and really short as well so perfect for ADD aflicted musos.

Once interviewed Becki for a radio station back in Brighton. Why they are not more successful is beyond me.

uptoeleven (uptoeleven), Friday, 25 November 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

possibly something to do with the limited nature of their releases

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 26 November 2005 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

truly. that may have irritated a large part of their potential fanbase.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 26 November 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

They are also totally unknown in the United States!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 26 November 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

not really. they'll probably makes tons of money in japan.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 26 November 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they should do a version of s club's "reach for the stars"

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Sunday, 27 November 2005 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

pipas should get this much attention

keyth (keyth), Sunday, 27 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
i heard the winter song and really liked it. was excited. then I saw this video and heard this song and puked a little bit in my mouth.

gimmick central.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/37049/Video_The_Pipettes_Pull_Shapes#37049

oh amy, this is your favorite song of the year?

kevin barking (arghargh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I like exactly two Pipettes songs -- "We Are the Pipettes" (but not the album version, which is ruined by the injudicious application of synthesizers) and "Your Kisses Are Wasted On Me" (but only the album version). "Judy" is not awful, but it invariably reminds me of "Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken", and then I think, "wait, why am I not just listening to that? It is way better than the Pipettes."

The album is maybe the worst production job I've heard in a while -- I was mostly pretty indifferent to their singles, but hoped they would pull things together for the full-length, and then that comes out -- turns out it's a synth-laden disaster. Like somebody decided, "you know what we have to do with this band? We have to make them into radio-pop!" And first of all, no, and second of all, the finished product doesn't even work by radio-pop standards. So now I actively dislike them.

Also, the album's full of really blatant filler.

Also also, the whole exercise strikes me as kind of sexist, and some of the lyrics are really questionable. A song like "Sex", in which the protagonist(s?) more or less revel in the fact that some guy is not actually interested in talking to them but just wants... well, you know... I mean, perhaps it's ironic? Should be clearer if so. Worst appropriation of the "Be My Baby" drum intro ever, at any rate.

In closing, eh.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Thursday, 22 June 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pull Shapes" Is certainly my favorite song of the year - I played it eight times in row, when I first heard it. I couldn't wipe the grin off my face for about twenty minutes afterward.

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

my mind cannot comprehend how anyone could like that song.

kevin barking (arghargh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I find it lively and sweeping and an utter delight, w/ the background voices meshing perfectly w/ the lead during the chorus ("Dance w/ me...") and the strings accelerating toward ths song's end and the girl's trading off voices during the "personal preference" verse (all apologies for my rather crude descriptions)...

...But I suppose (and this certainly seems like a cop out on my part, doesn't it?) it just comes down to personal aesthetic taste doesn't it? There's a part of me that really hopes this song becomes as big as "Dancing Queen" - and another, more irrational, part of me that KNOWS this song will become as big as "Dancing queen".

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

You must be retarded then.

everything (everything), Thursday, 22 June 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dancing Queen"? I don't like the band, but that's just cruel.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Pull Shapes

davelus (davelus), Friday, 23 June 2006 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ok

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 23 June 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pull Shapes" is classic for the following reasons:

1. It is very happy.
2. The strings, they are quite good.
3. You can hear "There's a whole floor before us" as "There's a whole floppy forest", and that's quite silly.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 23 June 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

they're kinda like musical equivalent of halloween candy. good, but after too much, you get a stomach ache.

pinder (pinder), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

more like musical equivalent to a big pile of dog shit

boonah (boonah), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i like "ABC"
and...that's about it.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

u guys so wacky

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I like some of their stuff but boy the drummer on the album needs to calm down. He's just banging away in the background like he's in The Go Team or something. Completely innapropriate to the songs.

mms (mms), Friday, 23 June 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The bit where one of them goes "I like to hip hop!" is pretty cringe-inducing, isn't it?

Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 23 June 2006 07:55 (seventeen years ago) link

the fact that the new video is a shot for shot "homage" to the party scene in russ meyer's beyond the valley of the dolls appalls and impresses me in about equal measure. it also forcibly underlines how inferior the pipettes are to the fictional kerry nations.

the go! teams producer worked on the rcord i hear, so that might explain the resemblance. they sound like my life story with even less panache to me.

cw (cww), Friday, 23 June 2006 09:44 (seventeen years ago) link

They needed to be produced by Alan Braxe.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 23 June 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"kerry nations" = the carrie nations

mms (mms), Friday, 23 June 2006 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ooops. quite right. have you seen the video? it's pretty spooky. z man's pretty good but harris doesn't quite make it. the gurning toothless woman is pretty much spot on.

cw (cww), Friday, 23 June 2006 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, I don't get the hostility. There are so many things to like about The Pipettes, but even if you don't they're not a big pile of dog shit by any means.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, I don't get the love. There are so many things to hate about The Pipettes, but even if you don't they are a big pile of dog shit by all means.

zappi (joni), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

The bit where one of them goes "I like to hip hop!" is pretty cringe-inducing, isn't it?

and then there's the little "scratching" sample? that's great! it's funny. that song is neck and neck with "what you know" for single of year for me.

how much fun would a fun-hater hate if a fun-hater hated fun?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh please! My problem with them is that they sound as if their brand of fun is very... prim.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Not prim enough, really.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Best single I've heard this year. The one who sings lead on this one has a really good voice.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In an a time where we have Girls Aloud and Sugababes, liking the Pipettes is a bit like being nostalgic for Herman's Hermits.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, as ridiculous as Herman's Hermits were, they're by far the best of the bands you've mentioned.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Saturday, 24 June 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"In an a time where we have Girls Aloud and Sugababes, liking the Pipettes is a bit like being nostalgic for Herman's Hermits."

It begs question whether taste need be an either/or proposition. Frankly, I feel that one may be openminded enough to enjoy both Wong Kar-Wai and Howard Hawks, Dostoyevsky and David Foster Wallace, and, in terms of mainstream pop music, Sugababes and Herman's Hermits. The past shouldn't be treated as a foreign country, after all.

ALSO: Yay Pipettes!

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember where i nicked the "past as a foreign country" bit from...works well within the argument, I suppose.

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What about not being particularly nostalgic per se for Herman's Hermits? What about just realizing that they were often really good? Is that okay?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, sure, nostalgia. Nostalgia is a part of the postmodern condition. There is nothing postmodern about Girls Aloud or Sugababes?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the first song of theirs I've heard where it sounds like they can actually sing, which is kind of important for what they're trying to do. I found "Your Kisses" impossible to listen to, even though the pre-chorus (?) bit where Gwenno sings "You might try..." is one of the more beautiful things I've heard in a long time.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Things I didn't need to find out: said Gwenno is in fact a ringer, having toured the world with Lord of the Dance and Riverdance for many years, recorded a couple of Welsh-language singles and (reportedly) represented Wales in Eurovision-type contests, and had her own TV show (again in Welsh). And here's her myspace with a solo song on it: http://www.myspace.com/gwenno

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 05:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, the album's full of really blatant filler.

huh? it's as tight as you could ever want! it's bloody marvelous, it doesn't outstay its welcome and it has repeatedly made me laugh out loud on the tube.

the my life story comparison is not a million miles from the truth, either! and that's sure to sort the men from the boys.

the day looks are ignored when it comes to image-conscious bands is the day pop music dies, and anyone who seriously thinks a band's visual aesthetic is irrelevant or not worthy of judgement is naive to the extreme. kate, you know this really, stop being reactionary!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Does the world really need a female Showaddywaddy?

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 24 June 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Does the world really need an Everett True wank fantasy with an organised street team?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 June 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno, do you?

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Saturday, 24 June 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"wait, why am I not just listening to that? It is way better than the Pipettes."

That's kind of the problem with the entire thing, isn't it? I like a couple of their songs alright, but after two or three minutes I just start wondering why I'm not listening to One Kiss Can Lead To Another instead.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 24 June 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Can any of you people with theory grounding explain to me what it is they're doing (or not) with harmony . I realized last night that it sounds very much like the B-52s, and no one else. Is it a specific, unusual interval or just bad singing?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think there's anything unusual about it intervallically.

I really like the drum sound on this record. I like how they've done a bigger production that uses that contemporary garage rock drum sound (fairly dry, crisp, and loud). It's fresh.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Above comments on production weirdness seconded. Listen to "Pull Shapes": for the most part when they're singing together it's fairly normal. Then the bits where each singer gets a line: Gwenno's bit ("I like to disco," later "I lead with left hand") sounds pretty consistent with the rest of the song, and lots of multitracking. But then Rose comes in ("I like to rock and roll,") and Becki ("I like to hip hop") - the recording levels are so high, you can hear the voices start to distort, plus that incredibly wet echo - you can hear them standing in a big, empty room. It sounds like those bits were recorded completely separately and then sloppily edited in.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i love them, and i don't get the hate, although it's apparently quite extended too. but i can't understand why some people hate them so much and want us to feel guilty for liking them... whatever. great songs, great fun.

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 26 June 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds okay. Perky, catchy, and fucking bulletproof from every direction. They manage to occupy some weird cultural overlook that makes 'em seem simultaneously "manufactured" and "authentic", and in the process rubbishes the distinction. Like electroclash for people who don't do (as much) cocaine.

P.S. They're sexy.

And the perception of "sexy" takes up a lot of the male brain think-capacity. We all know this: male, female, gay, straight, whatever. We all know that most guys spend an awful lot of their time looking at "hot" bodies and thinking about what might be done with or to them, as depersonalized sex objects. (Hopefully, we're also grown up enough to realize that this is perfectly okay...)

The Pipettes know know that the boys are looking, as did the Ronettes and certainly Spector himself. Sure, they're speaking to other girls of/from shared experience, but they're also, very explicity, speaking to boys. And specifically, intentionally positioning themselves as objects-to-be-looked-at.
And lusted-over.
By boys.

So be it. And so what? That's what people do. It's what rock bands do. Just like the Strokes and Iggy Pop before them. Sex appeal appeals. Again, though, I suspect that everyone already knows this.

If the Pipettes didn't WANT their sex appeal to be an issue, they wouldn't make such an issue of it. And since they do so obviously want it to be an issue, I think it's perfectly appropriate to include it in the discussion.

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the world could sorely do with a female Showaddywaddy!

I am quite nostalgic about Herman's Hermits. But I do not live in 1964.

I think sentimentality about the future is far more dangerous than sentimentality about the past.

I have only heard a couple of Pipettes tracks.

They sounded fairly good and witty to me.

It would be nice to have a Fuzzbox revival.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

no one is really talking about their (stultifyingly unimaginitive)image though are they, most of the criticicm is targeted at the tired and cynical sonic hack work.

cw (cww), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I always associate Showaddywaddy with Russ Abbott's Madhouse. Were they on it a lot?

Pippettes image is not sexy, it is sterile, like their name.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Considering the geezer from the Go! Team worked on the record, I'm disappointed that it has such little oomph or invention or wit. They go on about Spector, but when his records came out they sounded (I am imagining) HUGE and MODERN and a little SCARY! With their quaint aesthetic sensibilities, if the Pipettes had existed in 1962 they would have sounded like Vera Lynn!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

This depends on whether you consider "HUGE and MODERN and a little SCARY" to be positives and "quaint aesthetic sensibilities" a pejorative.

If Uncut had existed in 1962 they would have been doing 30-page cover features on Vera Lynn.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Well no: if you invoke the spirit of pre-Beatles pop as a positive thing, you should at least try and be animated by some of that spirit yourself, rather recreating the period details in a rather literal way.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This is easily solveable. Have the Pipettes featured in Uncut? Have they featured in... MOJO! Does MOJO even put newish people in evarr? Roger Waters who invented Water was on the cover, once.

I like their song, ABC! I would not like to see them live, because it's all a bit creepy. It's like the Sarah Cracknell effect manipulated to the max, more than one song can get quite unappetising. Also, MEN OF THE WORLD, there are grillions of gurlies who look like this if you just go to Brick Lane market or indeed to New Cross :( ... or do I mean :) I dunno!!

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pipettes don't qualify for the cover of Uncut or Mojo, being alive.

They sound nothing like the Beatles, nor especially like the Vernons Girls or the Caravelles.

Doubtless if they were middle-aged, hairy men replicating the period details of the Flying Burrito Brothers, Uncut writers would be disposed towards them more favourably.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I wasn't thinking the cover. I was thinking one of the tiny rectangles at the bottom of page 132 with teeny tiny picture. I can't imagine the Pipettes being on the cover of Plan B, never mind Uncute/Modjo.

I like to think of them - incidentally - as the Pie Pets, which is a much better name, don't you think?

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If they did a cover of the Caravelles' "I hear a new kind of music" I might like them!

Funnily enough, I have written about the Pipettes for Uncut. But I don't think I have written about many middle-aged hairy men! I do quite like that Midlake record though.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It's quite good but not the second coming of Syd Barrett which Morley claimed. What is it with PM and his Syd fixation at the moment?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't imagine the Pipettes being on the cover of Plan B, never mind Uncute/Modjo.

Funnily enough, The Pipettes are, in name at least, on the cover of the new Plan B! Big feature within, too, with much polka-dottage and excited/ing chatter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Although the Long Blondes got the actual cover shot. Good heavens, is it 1992 again so soon? ;-)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think sentimentality about the future is far more dangerous than sentimentality about the past.

can you expand on this Marcello? i thought it was an interesting remark.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

also do people think they're better than early Bananarama in any department? i don't think i do.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

can you expand on this Marcello? i thought it was an interesting remark.

never mind, i've seen the Stylus TOTP thing now.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

also do people think they're better than early Bananarama in any department? i don't think i do.

God no. "Pull Shapes" is great, but it's hardly "Cruel Summer" is it?

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

It's something which occurred to me after I read this article which has haunted me in a lot of ways, principally because I'm surprised that I still agree with so much of it (xpost).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard their session on the Radcliffe show last night after coming home from the FAP.

It was most pleasant and attractive.

I think their album will make for fine and supple summer listening.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

am listening to radcliffe now (as usual) and the live version of the single sounded very similar. (i'm with the nipper on this, there is something missing with the single. previous tracks have been better.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/radcliffe/

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 29 June 2006 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem with the pipettes is that the concept is brilliant and the execution is abysmal. they don't have any pop performative sensibilities at all, they don't have any understanding of how to convey all the things they want to. and they can't sing.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

obviously this is not either/or but compare the way the pipettes sing their lyrics to how girls aloud, sugababes, christina milian, christina aguilera, will young and rihanna sing theirs - all of the names i mentioned have pretty instinctive commercial pop nous, they're extremely adept at conveying emotions and emotions-beneath-the-emotions and emotions-at-odds-with-actual-words and subtleties and nuances, and their producers and arrangers are also extremely adept at this. the pipettes are sterile in comparison - i don't feel compelled by their songs at all.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link

do you like or know much about the style of music the Pipettes are aping tho? i'm not sure if this is really important re the criticism but i am curious as i don't think i've heard you talk about old girl group stuff much before.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't have v extensive knowledge of old girl groups but this is due to lack of time more than anything else, because i adore that sound and aesthetic! i may well play some supremes at do dirt tonight.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pipettes can certainly sing.

You should play some Marvelettes - much better than Dross and the Supremes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the way the pipettes sing their lyrics

I actually think this "emotional flatness" is kind of characteristic of some early girl group stuff -- Diana Ross is almost too late -- and so, to an extent that it may be intentional. I do agree, however, that only one of them (Gwenno, noted above) really seems to be a good singer.

(hmm, well, I guess I disagree with Marcello on this. Maybe the live session will convince me I'm wrong)

pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think it's emotional flatness - i like emotional flatness in the shangri-las style. it's hard to explain but i think it's because they have no idea how to make their lyrics mean any more than exactly what they say - there are no nuances at all.

?You should play some Marvelettes

i should HEAR some marvelettes! i have no idea where to start with any old girl groups. (while you're here marcello, where should i start with pre-tilt scott walker? i have never heard any of it!)

the pipettes sound fine on record, praise be to autotune, but i heard a live tv show they did and it was appalling, their voices are these awful out-of-tune caterwauling things which completely betray their lack of formal training (obv formal training is not a necessity by any means but if you are in a girl group and are singing HARMONIES it is best not to flaunt your vocal deficiencies)

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I rather doubt that Scott Walker of any era would fill the floor at Do Dirt!

However, since you asked...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i've heard GA sing badly live on TV too fwiw

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

oh thanks marcello - i really like that beth gibbons piece at the top of the page too, i'd not read that before.

steve, girls aloud sing (technically) badly on record too, but it doesn't matter because they don't sing material which requires much technical mastery.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

neither do the Pipettes if you ask me (because i haven't noticed their voices being particulrly bad on records, nor are they particularly great either of course).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw this lot on tv a few weeks ago, it was embarrassing to watch.

teh_kit has 22 friends (g-kit), Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

>emotional flatness in the shangri-las style<

Pardon me?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't remind me of 60s girl groups AT ALL but they do remind me of the 80s girl group revival - later Stiff acts, Mari Wilson, Tracey Ullman, the Belle Stars. I think that's a good sound to aim for: I think I'm with Marcello on this one.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like a low Terry Hall type voice to be burbling under them at times. or maybe i should just listen to that stuff directly rather than request a more recent rehash of same!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i prefer all saints

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Just listened to the new CD in its entirety and am floored at how slick and overcompressed it (mostly) is. Not that I expected them to make a Dolly Mixture record, but nor did I expect them to sound like the Spice Girls (uh, title track).

mike a (mike a), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rubbish rubbish rubbish

el juan (el juan), Friday, 30 June 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i still think the dolly mixture comparison is one of the more accurate ones

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't remind me of 60s girl groups AT ALL but they do remind me of the 80s girl group revival

tom otm

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

mot mto

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i wish this band and thread would just shrivel up and die

oops, I just refreshed it
fuck

boonah (boonah), Sunday, 2 July 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

They're nothing special, are they? Sounds to me like Tracy Ullman's 50s pastiche songs. I can't understand how anyone could feel strongly about the Pippettes either way; they're just so nothingy.

David Orton (scarlet), Sunday, 2 July 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I am slightly sheepish to announce that I actually really like the Pipettes - well, based on the first half of the record anyway. Lex is right in saying the concept is brilliant but the execution is wrong, but I like the way they think they're trying to be all 60s girl group but are incapable of executing the sound in anything other than a route-one indie-pop way. Those big crashing drums in particular and utter lack of regard for the subtleties of the genre. It's hamfistedness is endearing to me, and proof that it's the approach, not the arrangements, that determine what style of music you actually are.

I'm not at all bothered by their voices, they add no more or no less to their songs than Girls Aloud, Rachel Stevens or any of the other several ILM-feted pop ciphers you could name. Also IT DOESN'T MATTER that they can't sing - male vocalists who can't sing get a free pass these days (unless you're Lex of course), it's very rare that female vocalists are afforded that luxury. Doesn't mean I'd want to see them live though, if only for the dodgy harmonies.

Still not as good as GA of course.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it would matter if they couldn't sing (or maybe they'd still manage to be endearing anyway), but the lead singer's voice sounds fine on the new song.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The album is really fun and I don't think it's badly sung at all. I suspect that many people just think estuary accents = bad singing. Rose in particular sounds very poised and is capable of subtelty too. Sure, they're not amazing singers, but that only adds to the endearingly wonky quality of the whole thing.
They're great fun live. If you don't go and see 'em live you miss half the fun. The moves are great, as are the outfits. The boys have matching tank tops and sweaters, depending on the season.

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Matt DC after listening a few more times. The CD is frontloaded with the best songs (which are generally the older ones), only to decline into nothingness after the halfway point.

I'd still go see them live.

mike a (mike a), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the album autotuned, though?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Who cares? Isn't ILM coving over a bit rockist with this obsession with the Pipettes' vocal ability?

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm just asking because some people are questioning their vocal ability and others are replying with "the record sounds fine." I'm saying that the two things (lack of vocal ability and a fine-sounding record) are not mutually exclusive.

Who cares about vocal ability and autotune generally? Well, myself and Neko Case, to name two off the top of my head, but that's not really here nor there. I don't think there needs to be a rockism debate here.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh, I was being slightly facetious with the rockism thing. You're right, we don't need a rockism debate here!

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, gotcha. It's hard to tell sometimes.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

if you're going for ultra-formalist girl group stylings, "endearingly wonky" is a BAD THING. Indie versions of 60s girl groups - oh great just what the world needs.

They sound better on the record so I presume it's been autotuned.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 3 July 2006 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex did counter with the irrefutable Britney argument the last time I moaned about Autotune so even I have to admit it has its uses.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 July 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

> Isn't the album autotuned, though?

the live session on radcliffe sounded very close to the single fwiw.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Monday, 3 July 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Autotuning matters when it's Nerina Marti Pellow or whatever her name is bleating "I don't WAA-NT TO-OO DOIIII-EEEE."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 July 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

what a load of shite.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean the band.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

thereby scuppering my "Yes I know but Radio 2 keep playing it because it's a 'deep and meaningful anti-war song' tag line :-(

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 July 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard both their Radcliffe sessions. And the second one, recently, was so much worse than the first! It was swamped by crass drums in the background, etc - all wrong.

Like Konal, I liked Carlin's line about the future.

Like others, I am not sure it's wrong to be nostalgic, or to like things from the past.

Ewing's line about the 1980s was good - incisive, original, convincing: it's a Fascinating Aida revival, not Spector at all.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 3 July 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

They did a session for Huw Stevens once (if it wasn't him it was Rob da Bank) where they sounded fine, but the production on the CD is head-hurting.

Curt Wastor (Curt Soda), Monday, 3 July 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it even possible to do early-60s revivial, when they've already tried/done it in the 80s?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 3 July 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah it is - for instance if some old-tech fetishist like Jack White decided that being a Girl Group Svengali was his latest hobby project, I bet the resulting discs would indeed sound 'authentically' early-60s.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 July 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I kinda like the Pipettes, but I gotta say everytime I open up this thread and am faced with:

There is a traditional historiography of popular music which in some way or another always seems to come back to the Beatles; and Lonnie Donegan who begat The Beatles, and Elvis who begat Lonnie Donegan, John Lee Hooker who begat Elvis and Robert Johnson who begat John Lee Hooker etc etc. But that is not what we are interested in here.

...I cringe and cringe and cringe.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Which "80s girl group revival" is this?

Pessimist (Pessimist), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The Belle Stars one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, well, press releases, you can't rely on those, can you?

(xpost x 2)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 05:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
In other news, the Pitchfork review of the record is far and away the worst thing that site has ever produced.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link

it is?

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

uh, byrds review.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 27 July 2006 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently Ken Bruce has been taking the piss out of them. referring to Sheila's Wheels and everything!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

link?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Are Pitchfork just giving bad albums 8.4/10 on principle these days or what?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha sheila's wheels zing OTM!

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link

what a load of shite.
-- jed_ (colin_o_har...), July 3rd, 2006.

in a nutshell.

i thought they were a joke or something.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway here is the pdork review.

unfinishable.

"not so much retro as they are post-retro, the product of an age in which progression in pop music has all but been replaced by cultivation and fusion"

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Taking too long to load. You want readers, make your writing accessible immediately. This is the age of the broadband, not the sundial.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

How about,

"That the Pipettes are doing Shangri-La's impersonations on stage is almost a moot point."

or

"The twist is meant to be that these three are sexually aggressive, have read their French feminism, own some riot grrrl records, and have distinct, unique personalities in a sort of Spice Girls way."

I could also swear that there was a line in the review early yesterday morning that has since been removed about how The Arcade Fire and Band of Horses should be playing arenas but have to settle for just being indie bands because there is no justice!!

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

it amazes me that people think a pitchfork review is such a talking point that they have to bump a thread because of it! pitchfork = not a talking point, irrelevant to people outside usa, BOTHERD. if you think the writing is so bad don't read the damn site and leave the indie kids to fester in their own language-mangling.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"I Like A Boy In Uniform (School Uniform)." So they're promoting paedophilia, right?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just read the "Why We Hate Indie Kids" thing on FT. "Infantilism is endemic to indie kids"...

Not a bad article, that, except they missed out the stripy French fisherman's jumper.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i knew this would get BNM it's just the kind of pap Amy Philipps creams herself over


horrid

kevin barking (arghargh), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not actually a very good album.
They've fallen into the same trap as the Belle Stars, Strawberry Switchblade and Fuzzbox before them - their music suffocated and blanded into searing nothingness by a third-rate producer who fancies himself as Trevor Horn.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post to the Lex:

I actually think Pitchfork writing is pretty decent at times, and while I didn't express it (it was late and I was hoping others would start some discussion) the review should be a talking point because it 1) apologizes for faux-retro irony in the lamest possible terms, 2) gives them feminism shoutouts while glossing over the four boys who play the music, and 3) hilariously attempts to give indie-pop some kind of big-scheme importance or cultural weight.

And I know it's irrelevant outside the USA. Do you think that I care? Ignore the topic, brotha. It's easy, there are plenty more.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I alone in thinking that the "third-rate producer who fancies himself as Trevor Horn" is the virtue?

I find them trying for this big 60s girl group sound and getting it so badly wrong actually endearing (big crashing drums etc). If they'd been a faithful facsimile of their influences I doubt I'd find them anywhere NEAR as entertaining.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Haven't heard the album, but liked some of their singles. There's nothing that needs to be apologized with regard to their retro aspects and there's nothing faux or ironic about these aspects. Try making sense.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"nothing that needs to be apologized FOR"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

There's nothing that needs to be apologized with regard to their retro aspects

agreed

and there's nothing faux

ahem

or ironic

HAHAHA

about these aspects.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

What is ironic about it? I suppose they're slightly cartoonish, so I GUESS you could call that "faux." If you wanted to, anyway. I guess. (Strikes me as a bit of an unnecessary pejorative.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose it is in reference to this definition:

2.
a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" Richard Kain.
b. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.

I mean, you could MAYBE argue that there was incongruity when SHA NA NA first appeared on the scene, but I would think retroisms have become established as fairly commonplace over the last couple of decades.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

So haha yourself, fule!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

oh it's totally faux. it's an excercise in faux. i don't think they should be condemned for it. i dunno who SHA NA NA are, sorry. I take your point about the irony but in this case the irony is that they can't sing and they look awful.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

that's so garbled but i got poxy fuled (ironic) then retyped it quickly.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I'm just a po' simple boy who watched a video where three girls with bad indie haircuts and matching polka dot dresses did synchro hand gestures onstage and sang into big silver retro microphones. I didn't know what else to call it.

Maybe it's a sincere homage to the music/style they love, more likely it's a visual stunt to attract comments along the lines of "well aren't they cute." I don't know if I'd be more concerned about male fans who kinda got off on it, or those that didn't.

It wouldn't even be that bad a song if not for the obnoxious cheerleader-style shouting of the title. Am I supposed to take that any way other than as irony in 2006?

That the Pipettes are doing Shangri-La's impersonations on stage is almost a moot point.

That is an apology. That is what an apology sounds like. Whether it was necessary or not I don't really care, but he clearly wants to gloss over the fact that the Pipettes are pushing their image at least as hard as their songs.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Heaven forfend that a pop group should have an image!

The disappointing thing about the album is that the fellow from Go! Team is involved in the production. On paper I would really like to hear a bricabracolage skip hop girl group along the lines of the G!T but with, you know, songs and harmonies and stuff. But the way the record turned out is sooooo weedy.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

pipettes X scritti politti production & hair & shrugs circa 198?

youn (youn), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

the obnoxious cheerleader-style shouting of the title. Am I supposed to take that any way other than as irony in 2006?

Again, what is ironic about it?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

And I disagree about that line being an apology.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Brighton's second-greatest after ESP. I haven't heard any of their stuff but if they're not better than British Sea Power I'll be surprised...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

eh? you havent heard them but you'll be surprised if they're not better than British Sea Power?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the pipettes and this thread is weird (no connection between these two observations)

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

British Sea Power aren't very good. Carrion is their only genuinely worthwhile song so far...

I was making a crass rhetorical point, get over it. It's too hot in here...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Jed, why you say "can't sing?" It is hard to fathom - that lead vocal on "Pull Shapes" seems fine to me.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

jim is right, about weirdness. there seems to be great effort to say we don't like the pipettes as if there is some need to quash the great groundswell that is about to lift them into posh digs. they've got a limited appeal and granted they might be more careerist than their peers in that same group but this thread is surely going to reacted to with indifference by anyone into twee pop. Perhaps they don't see themselves as members of that ghetto but that's where their key demographic lies and those sorts don't normally mind if their records aren't produced as professionally as the sugababes. it's seems to be similar to when people complained about the production values of the baxendale album.

keyth (keyth), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link

actually this thread would probably make more sense if you replaced all references to the pipettes with baxendale

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

the pipettes makes me think mean thoughts about hurting girls in polka dot dresses

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

you might wanna see someone about that

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I find them trying for this big 60s girl group sound and getting it so badly wrong actually endearing (big crashing drums etc)

INDIE

a proper pop group would have not got anything wrong. shiny shiny perfect facsimiles all the way

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still entertained by your dogged refusal to accept that imperfections are sometimes what a song needs.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:16 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wow i saw an advert for this retro 30s style girl group on itv3 last night. their name is quite like 'the pipettes' n'all. oh god what was it? anyway, major yuckage.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

matt i love some imperfections. i love paris hilton's voice! but for this style of music imperfections are just clunky, clumsy, inefficient, distracting and THOROUGHLY INDIE.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

The Puppini Sisters. Why on earth were you watching ITV3?!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh come on, the Puppini Sisters look awesome, in a Sunday afternoon in the Glasto acoustic tent way. The Final Countdown as performed by a 30s revivalist girl group would be amazing.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth were you watching ITV3?!

cracker repeats!

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

wonder if the puppinis will get shown pdork love...

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

they sound like eclectism gone mad. why would they cover europe, the smiths and kate bush, when they could cover elsie carlisle, jack hylton and ray noble?

-- (688), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

i dunno tim, when you say "clunky or clumsy" i just think : yes, it is those things. as for their vocals yes, i guess they sound "fine" but they're a vocal group, right? vocal groups should sound great vocally!

(i have only heard two songs - the ones on their site with videos)

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

there is definitely something a bit off about the vocals on 'Pull Shapes' but it might just be that the 'dance with mee' bit reminds me of Brian in Spaced creepily commanding Colin the dog to dance.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't the whole polka dot thing so three years ago anyway, fashion-wise?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

you were wearing them first, yeah yeah...

What are the perceived imperfections on "Pull Shapes?" I don't really get it. Is it really much more clunky or clumsy than, say, Bananarama?

they're a lot shoutier and 'reaching' more than Bananarama because the song seems to demand it but as they really seem only in the same league as Bananarama as singers it's not totally convincing (but still endearing perhaps).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't the whole polka dot thing so three years ago anyway, fashion-wise?

Have you been walking around with your eyes closed for the last few months? They're everywhere!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

well, yes...

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

he means people were also wearing them three years ago

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

HIPSTERS

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes it feels like everything has actually SLOWED DOWN. like that nme strokes special issue -- we're still kind of under the sign of the strokes! skinny jeans and all that.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Again, what is ironic about it?

In 2006, when you hear cheerleader-style shout vocals, are they immediate and relevant? Do you take them and enjoy them for what they are with no added weight from musical or cultural history? Or, do you understand them through a lens that creates a distancing effect, as in "oh isn't it funny that pop music sounded like this once and now someone is doing it again." Irony is the gap between apparent meaning and intended meaning. Am I intended to take the Pipettes at face value? Of course not. Their music and image are intended to conjure up all kinds of associations to the past, and lead me to eventually agree that they are just so cute.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The Puppini Sisters are the lowest of the low.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

In 2006, when you hear cheerleader-style shout vocals, are they immediate and relevant?

I don't understand what you mean by "immediate." What is something in pop music now that is immediate in a way the Pipettes are not? It is of no concern to me whether those vocals are *relevant*.

Do you take them and enjoy them for what they are with no added weight from musical or cultural history?

Of course not, but the same could be said for any specific style-connoting element in any contemporary cultural object. Am I supposed to find them all ironic? They seem to be more standard course now.

Or, do you understand them through a lens that creates a distancing effect, as in "oh isn't it funny that pop music sounded like this once and now someone is doing it again."

That's the thing - I don't find it funny. Was it funny when Tracey Ullman did it? I suppose the Pipettes are a little more goofy, but I don't see as that this makes them ironic. My response to them is not, "Oh, that's ironic that they are doing something with a little sort of '60s girl group style. Who would have imagined?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Irony is the gap between apparent meaning and intended meaning.

I would dispute that. There are surely plenty of things with gaps between apparent and intended meaning that one would not identify as "ironic."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

If girl-chant vocals are intrinsically ironic, then guitars are intrinsically ironic.

When I see/hear a longhaired pretty boy hammer a distorted guitar, I automatically think, "This music and image are intended to conjure up all kinds of associations to the past, and lead me to eventually agree that he is just so cool." Right?

'Cuz all musical choices must be read as meta-recursive signifiers pointing to the fact that they're pointing while also pointing to other things. Right?

God, that's exhausting...

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

In the present context, irony is the way an [i]awareness[/i] of the gap between ostensible meaning and "real" meaning can be used to transmit coded information to a select group.

Ba-dump-bump.


How come no one's laughing?

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

As one of my grad school professors used to say, "Talk straight."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

>>The Puppini Sisters are the lowest of the low.

Retro/gimmick/kitsch novelty or no, their version of "Wuthering Heights" just gave me the biggest smile I've had in days.

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the thing - I don't find it funny. Was it funny when Tracey Ullman did it?

We can only wish the Pipettes had a "They Don't Know" on this album. There's an example of a girl group pastiche that actually works.

Re "Pull Shapes" - I think the "I like to disco/to rock & roll/to hip hop" is a key to what I don't like about this album. It's way too Spice Girls/"Wannabe." It's like they're trying their hardest to get everyone up and dancing, but everyone's just staring blankly.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 July 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

the whole "can we admit that the spice girls were crap" turn of ILM lately is disheartening

tom west (thomp), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

they were crap and so are the pipettes, except the pipettes are marketed to hipsters

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"are marketed"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"using quotes to be snarky"

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"can we admit that the spice girls were crap"

I'm just saying that it's an approach that doesn't suit this particular project.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

But maybe you have a different idea of what the project is, then.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Album rating: 7/10

2 brilliant songs (pull shapes and judy). but the rest range from good to blatant filler.

Aditya (dan138zig), Sunday, 30 July 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.andybiggart.com/Pages/Journal/2004/06-June/quagmire.gif

Everyone who has reviewed the Pipettes album, yesterday.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

at least the Puppinis won't get the 'only where they are cos they look good' thing [/quasi-sexist]

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I wonder how many posts that thread would have got had they been the Puppini Brothers.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

the Puppini Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zihW7WCYMs

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a pipettes thread, so that's going to take some serious math.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Robson & Jerome: oh you've gotta be kidding me... (4871 new answers, last at 11.27)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

the pippinis have better production innit.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

is it better production or is it just a more preferable style of music? Puppini sisters music seems insipid but otoh a relatively faithful reproduction of an old style?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

well, it's thicker production. r&j were tinny, cheapo MIDI hell.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha sorry i thought we were comparing Pipettes production with Puppinis production.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok 'Judy' is REALLY badly sung on record (let alone live).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd forgotten all about the Pipettes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I really really like their album, my girlfriend is called Judy so she is a fan of that song, albeit not for how good it is and more because she likes songs with her name in them.. but then so do I really..

Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll wait for the Pipettes Platinum Collection on Warner Classic in 2029.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the album is definitely less appealing than the demo / early singles

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost: Judy Teen? Making Judy Smile? Both classics regardless of name (yes, anything on GBA is IMO a 'classic').

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

GBA? Gaye Bikers on Acid?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Going Blank Again, but I like your thinking.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Get her 'Punch & Judy' by Marillion.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha loving the recommendations for my lady friend

Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

chris ott's village piece on them in the village voice is just ... uh ...

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

like hey we all feel guilty about our masturbatory fantasies sometimes but v few of us get to go on about it in depth in the alt weeklies

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

ott's review brilliantly has the phrase "self-penned biography".

what you or i might call an "autobiography".

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, he has a point. most autobiographies are written by ghost-writers nowadays, so it's good to draw a distinction. ;-)

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I really really like their album, my girlfriend is called Judy so she is a fan of that song, albeit not for how good it is and more because she likes songs with her name in them.. but then so do I really..

-- Rowlando for the kidz (samonkeyuk...), September 14th, 2006.

What songs have the name Rowlando in them?!

Rombald (rombald), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"can you hear the drums rowlando...?"

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

chris ott's village piece on them in the village voice is just ... uh ...

it was pretty good as a review of their website. didn't see much in it about the music. maybe he thinks the website is more important, which could be true, i don't know since i haven't looked at the website. none of which dislodges "pull shapes" from my singles-of-the-year list.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

ok the go! team shouldn't be allowed near another band's multitracks ever again. the production on this record (ok, well, the vocals mainly) is FUCKING TERRIBLE. bad bad vocal production. big mistake.

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Saturday, 16 September 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd never heard a real pipettes song until finding the album used, i quite like it. it's all one speed, they could use some nuance.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 16 September 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Jim OTM. I don't especially like this band but anyway but the production ruined this record completely. This may have already been mentioned elsewhere some time or other...

I like "Simon Says" though. A B-side somewhere, I only have it on mp3.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I've only heard a bit of The Pipettes but it sounds as though they're doing something similar to a band out of NYC called Tralala. Essentially it's a bass/guitar/drums outfit that features I believe three (maybe four) girls who sing and play keys to some extent. Very Doo-wop or at least Spector-ish, but also with a Slits/postpunk angle. The music isn't anything revelatory but altogether it definitely works. They have an album out on Audika Records (label that primarily exist to release archived material of Arthur Russell) and I believe they are working on a new album as we speak. Check 'em out.

Randall Weeber (yoyoweb), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Tralala >>>>>>>>>> Pipettes

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

still can't.....

()()()---()()() (internet), Saturday, 16 September 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I'd forgotten all about the Pipettes.

everything, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

The album is released next week over here in North America. Can't wait to hear it.

everything, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw them a few months ago in Seattle. Great show, and shows generally bore me these days.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link

they certainly know their audience:
________

The Pipettes kick off Carling Weekend: Reading Festival

Before playing 'Your Kisses Are Wasted On Me', Pipettes singer Gwenno Saunders awkwardly adjusted her top, saying, "Just got to sort myself out, sexy!" sarcastically, before adding, "I might as well just get my tits out!" to laughter and cheering from the crowd.

Later in the set, before 'Guess Who Ran Off With The Milkman', singer Rose Dougall said, "I've got bronchitis, but I'm still going to get bladdered this weekend!" prompting more cheering

_______

http://www.nme.com/news/readingleeds-festival/30620

pisces, Friday, 24 August 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sure their second album will feature many hit singles and not result in them being dropped from their label.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 24 August 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I stand by my Quagmire post upthread.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 24 August 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link

a reduced recording budget might be good for them

electricsound, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, are they still around?

King Boy Pato, Saturday, 25 August 2007 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link

RIP

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 25 August 2007 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Jokes, bruv.

King Boy Pato, Saturday, 25 August 2007 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Heard "Pull Shapes" for the first time in ages today. Still awful.

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Saturday, 26 July 2008 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link

GWENNO IS FIT

gzip, Saturday, 26 July 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

rose's solo single is pretty good, no great departure from pipettes-a-like-ness but no slouch either

do not read if you meatus (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link

b-side is more like camera obscura

do not read if you meatus (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I heard this in the record store not too long ago. First time I heard it, I liked it a lot. Second time, not so much.

Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link

her new indie "edgy" look is pretty silly.

keythkeythkeyth, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link

"new"

do not read if you meatus (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno, she's pretty, seems like she's trying to cover that up so people will take her seriously.

keythkeythkeyth, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

That single's so-so. I don't see that cover photo as trying to cover up her hotness, exactly.

Nhex, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i was kinda scratching my head about that

do not read if you meatus (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

x-post Well it's kind of impossible to cover up Rosay's hotness isn't it? And, what would be the point?

I kind of like the single. At least is the first time that doesn't sound like she's totally obsessed with Broadcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHDYzPCfo-Q

touch my bum / this is life (daavid), Friday, 26 June 2009 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

her new indie "edgy" look is pretty silly.

― keythkeythkeyth, Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:29 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Indie, yes. Edgy, not so much.

touch my bum / this is life (daavid), Friday, 26 June 2009 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Can you point me in the direction of this stuff that's supposed to sound like Broadcast? I don't hate this, but I might like that better.

(and yes, several years on, I still prefer the Long Blondes. Surprise surprise.)

Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Friday, 26 June 2009 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

good lord, five years since the pipettes?

thomp, Friday, 26 June 2009 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Going by the stuff on YouTube, I might like this. Will probably pick up the album. I need some summer girl fun with added extra Farfisa.

Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Friday, 26 June 2009 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Can you point me in the direction of this stuff that's supposed to sound like Broadcast? ...

― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Friday, June 26, 2009 10:15 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

She had a couple of tracks on myspace that are no longer there. I think one of them was "Another Version of Pop Song".

touch my bum / this is life (daavid), Friday, 26 June 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Kate, have you heard Help Stamp Out Loneliness?

http://www.myspace.com/helpstampoutloneliness

"Torvill & Dean" is the big winner as far as my ears are concerned but I have both the 7"s and all four sides are worth yr time.

also yes, Long Blondes > Pipettes for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

jj is not very broadcast but they would definitely appeal to someone who was a fan of broadcast. very beautiful. i think. rose's songs in the pipettes were mostly a drag, i just listened to this single, bah. i guess i am the only one to think her new look is silly, ok.

keythkeythkeyth, Sunday, 28 June 2009 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Any thoughts on the new EP? It has its moments but We Are the Pipettes is seeming more and more like a fortunate accident.

skip, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

The lineup's really different from what it was, so I'm not too surprised. Haven't liked any of the singles that came out since then.

Nhex, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

there's only been this one? unless you're talking about rose elinor dougall's solo stuff

fag-amplitude (electricsound), Monday, 26 April 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

The spaceman song is great. The stop the music song is an atrocity. But then listening to the album now reveals about the same hit to miss ratio.

keythhtyek, Monday, 26 April 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link

lol remember "the pipettes"?

eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Perhaps I was thinking of the "Stop the Music" single, but I vaguely remember they put out another song on their myspace with the lineup in-between the album group and the current one. Either way, I wasn't really enthused. I'll keep an ear out for this.

Nhex, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link

lol remember "the pipettes"?

pretty sure this thread indicates some people do, yes.

longer lasting, thicker electrons (sic), Monday, 26 April 2010 08:51 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

still waiting for rose's solo album, but 'find me out' is really great.

kshighway61 revisited (electricsound), Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link

My brother started this thread

The world's leaders on pills (admrl), Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link

they never did end up putting out anything on 5:15

kshighway61 revisited (electricsound), Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

new album is kinda awful and yet i'm enjoying it quite a lot

not as good as rose's solo lp

midiverb II program 49 (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Gwenno's album is fantastic. I think it's been re-released already, but I'm not sure. It's out on Heavenly--was out on Peski, a Welsh label, originally. You must check it out. I am not a Pipettes fan, but I think it's one of the best albums I've heard in ages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CldPv3-VHmM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oleVny7jz7Q

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/prod/Gwenno-YDyddOlafBonusDiscEdition-HeavenlyRecordings-104291.html

Out on the 24th. It's getting all kind of great reviews now that it's being re-released. Get on it.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

ya I cosign
this is wonderful

nxd, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:54 (eight years ago) link

yeah this album is really good

j. winters (josh), Thursday, 23 July 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link

How was that last Pipettes album she did with her sister? There's got to be something good about it.

http://thequietus.com/articles/18396-tongue-of-the-dragon-a-look-at-welsh-language-outsider-pop

Aug Stone talks to Gwenno & Dr. Sarah Hill, and Rhys Mwyn, to give an introduction to some Cymric musical pioneers

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 24 July 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link

Ooh, Y Dydd Olaf is wonderful, though I'm not sure if people after this kind of Broadcast/Bachelorette-esque vibe would click on a Pipettes thread ... fits in nicely with this year's Susanne Sundfør album, in a way. Has anyone encountered the novel it's based upon?

etc, Saturday, 25 July 2015 04:37 (eight years ago) link

yeah i almost feel like it deserves its own thread, because i have zero interest in the pipettes but this gwenno record is wonderful.

rushomancy, Saturday, 25 July 2015 11:25 (eight years ago) link

I agree.

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 25 July 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link

Picked this up today, it's great.

I really liked the first Pipettes album but never took to the second one.

michaellambert, Saturday, 25 July 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link

Those tracks up there didn't enthuse me, but I guess I'm always hoping for a return to their first album sound.

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

The Gwenno record is on my to-do list but just checking y'all have heard Rosay's solo album from 2010 yeah?

carly bae jepsen (monotony), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, Without Why is a great record. Keep hoping that she'll bring out a follow up.

I wasn't really into the Gwenno album the first time I played it but I find myself going back to it a lot. The production is just gorgeous.

As for The Pipettes, I still love that debut. The second album was a massive disappointment, especially after Stop The Music was such a brilliant lead single.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 02:10 (eight years ago) link

Rosa's album is very good, yes, though I was a little taken aback that it came out that long ago!

May give the second Pipettes another go.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

Poor Riot Becki.

:wq (Leee), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Well this Gwenno album is a lot better than I could have ever expected. Most of it sounds like the midpoint between Broadcast's "Tears In The Typing Pool" and Saint Etienne's "Avenue" with a Krautrock influence.

boxedjoy, Sunday, 18 October 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Just listened to that Gwenno record for the first time. Nice. I like that description

curmudgeon, Sunday, 10 January 2016 00:47 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

I don't know how I'm just discovering Gwenno solo. I think I dismissed the first youtube above on first listen and stop paying attention... but man, she's got a handful of excellent songs!

Interesting to see how both Rose and Gwenno have independently released material that is very obviously Broadcast-influenced, yet nothing the Pipettes ever did sounded even remotely like Broadcast.

daavid, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link

Rose's new album is available now! It's delightful

monotony, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, Rose's new album is fantastic. Without Why was crazy underrated. This one might be even better.

Kitchen Person, Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link

I too have been impressed with 'Stellular'!

michaellambert, Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:30 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

Rose's album is amazing

this is also nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhBuvVCHC9w

piscesx, Thursday, 18 May 2017 02:38 (six years ago) link

Cool, that's the best song on the album.

I read something recently where she said Broadcast are her favourite band. That makes a lot of sense going on her solo work.

kitchen person, Thursday, 18 May 2017 14:11 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCeygWexyA

New Gwenno on Friday.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 26 February 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link

Looking forward to this. The single is gorgeous.

kitchen person, Monday, 26 February 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link

I've got the album. It's good; a fair bit slower than her first. I can't hear much of a difference between sung Cornish and Welsh, to be honest with you. Sensing a nice grower.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link

yeah we just heard a song off this and it's sounding very promising

imago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link

Man, Gwenno's Le Kov is great. I'm not sure I like it as much as the last one, but it's growing on me the more I return to it!

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Rose's third solo album came out on Friday. That's three great albums in a row. Shame she doesn't get the attention she deserves.

kitchen person, Sunday, 7 April 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link

i liked "stellular" a lot, i'll have to check this new one

Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 April 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link

It's a bit more mellow and stripped back that Stellular but equally as gorgeous.

kitchen person, Sunday, 7 April 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link

Solo Rose is more Broadcasty, right?

I've been starving them, teasing them, singing off Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 06:25 (five years ago) link

Last album was brilliant yeah; fantastic production too.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link

Solo Rose is more Broadcasty, right?

― I've been starving them, teasing them, singing off Leee (Leee)

The first two albums were quite Broadcasty yeah. She's named them as her favourite band before.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link

haha my housemate's in a band with riotbecki. see thru hands. manchester based.

meaulnes, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:45 (five years ago) link

I feel like somehow it would make perfect sense to reform the Pipettes in some capacity given how Gwenno and Rose have each made excellent records on their own that sound surprisingly similar considering how different they are sound from the original Pipettes material.

I most admit though that I find Rose's records a bit anachronistic. Like the would sound great in the turn it the century, not so much now.

daavid, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 03:20 (five years ago) link

*turn OF the century

daavid, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 03:21 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Combining modular synth, saxophone, and a medieval lute, Graham Coxon and Rose Elinor Dougall create an album of pastoral disquiet and itchy post-punk edge.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/the-waeve-the-waeve/

Indexed, Monday, 6 February 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

This album is very good. Bit Talk Talk-y at times, kind of a languid Soul feel to others.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 19:27 (ten months ago) link


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