But I still cannot get over how something with such atrocious singing (which ranges from hoarse couging to someone imitating a game show buzzer -- and forget about the attempts at Southern-ish black dialect) became the public face of pre-1970's black music for a lot of Americans, as I was reminded today when the restaurant I was eating lunch in changed from Bonnie Raitt to Dave Matthews to these guys.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses."
C'mon!
― Evanston Wade (EWW), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
― frankE, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link
"We like both kinds. Country and Western."
― Trever Booth (xjzico), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Trever Booth (xjzico), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago) link
Now the Commitments, on the other hand, as both a film and a "band" is far far FAR guiltier of the alleged crimes directed at the BBs in this thread. That is some of the worst shit EVER. Totally indefensible.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago) link
It may have turned the stomach of some people that were blues fans before and after the movie, especially black fans, but I don't think that you would have a blues bar or two in every decent sized US city perhaps with out it. If not, why do all of these places have some artwork in the bar referencing the movie?
I know the first time I ever heard Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, Sam & Dave and Cab Calloway was when I saw this movie at age eleven.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
You couldn't move for Blues Brothers tribute bands back in the 1980's but they all seem to have disappeared now thank god.
I don't know a single person that's seen Blues Brothers 2000.
― udu wudu (udu wudu), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link
The first movie is still pretty good. 2000 is pretty bad, but I think it could have been saved had they had more car crashes.
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago) link
Likewise "the Pianist" and "Prince of Tides".
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link
The second one's a pile of shit, obv.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago) link
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link
I reserve my ire for their appearances in bar jukeboxes and classic rock radio. That shit is wrong.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link
however, can we blame the blues brothers for the musical career of bruce willis?
― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:11 (twenty years ago) link
I liked it better than Jaws too.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:37 (twenty years ago) link
This was eclipsed only by a swing type band at a wedding last summer: "Here's another great Robbie Williams track, called Mack the Knife" etc
― bham, Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link
I hear that, apart from the fact that The Prince Of Tides is probably beyond salvation: "Lowenstein! Lowenstein!". It goes for many other films, though.
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Thursday, 22 April 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link
― robin (robin), Friday, 23 April 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link
― jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 23 April 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link
never cared for it much beyond that tho.m.
― msp, Friday, 23 April 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 1 April 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
And Aretha and Calloway come across great even if Landis couldn't direct the numbers for shit.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― cobra commander (cobra commander), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
"Orange Julius? Orange Julius? Three Orange Juliuses."
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Let's not forget that this is the director who also brought us Kentucky Fried Movie, American Werewolf in London, and Thriller before turning to absolute shit.
I highly value this movie (not the sequel, not the soundtrack)... as an important part of my childhood with as many quotable lines as any great comedy.
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link
it's funny cuz they're white
― pc user, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.myfonts.com/images/family/gonzalez/orange-whip.gif
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Whip
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
corrected.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
kinda cool it's actually a casual product placement
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
fuck the haters. funny, can do without the way-off Stax imitations, but like so many others this was my first exposure to blues & soul music and it's why I saw B.B. King when I was 12 and why I still own 3 Albert Collins albums and two boxes of Stax records.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
You get me my cheez wiz, boy?
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
for umpteenth time, edd s hurt otm
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link
it's great that e. hurt "already knew about that stuff" but i kind of like the idea of, yknow, the rest of us getting to find out about that stuff, too.
― J.D., Friday, 21 December 2007 03:36 (sixteen years ago) link
J.D. OTM. (Closest I've ever come to dissing eddhurt!)
Also, give Aykroyd credit for legitimately learning how to play a decent blues-harp for the sake of the character. I admire that dedication.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 21 December 2007 04:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I watch the movie more for the Brothers than the Blues.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 21 December 2007 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link
but i kind of like the idea of, yknow, the rest of us getting to find out about that stuff, too. I dunno, maybe you kids could have listened to Oldies Radio and taken out old school rock critic books out of the library, like us old-timers had to do.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
bought the record when it came out, i was 12 i think, loved it for a few months then never listened to it again. really just the first example of an ok snl skit taking on a life of its own. the movie holds up much better than the record.
― gershy, Friday, 21 December 2007 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I wonder why they never made the "Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger" skit into a movie?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link
"No Coke. Pepsi!"
― Nate Carson, Friday, 21 December 2007 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Product placement problems, you think?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 21 December 2007 05:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I need some clarifcation from an older person:
What was the appeal of this project?The movie obviously is a cult object and a funny comedy, so I don't need that explained to me. I'm talking about Blues Brothers ca. 1978-1979, which became such a marketable thing that it WARRANTED a movie.
The SNL "sketches" weren't really funny ever, but still got a RECORD ALBUM that was POSITIVELY reviewed in Rolling Stone and so-so review by Xgau and other places. Why did people like this shit? Was it like how people who don't like metal buy the Deathklok album?
― gshumway1 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
But I assume the Deathklok album has jokes on it? I didn't listen to that because I like actual metal bands and funny TV shows
― gshumway1 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
good question. the whole weird... '80s... white guy blues... "thing" is just... so bizarre to me
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
it was all the mega popularity of SNL, the music was just incidental. the blues bros albums are comedy records, and like you say not very funny ones. this is probably where the original show and certainly belushi "jumped the shark" and got self-indulgent. people ate this shit up,though, at least for awhile. i worked in a record store in 1978-79 and there was a mini comedy boom then, steve martin sold lots of records too which was also mystifying. he's been good in movies since but his comedy was meh. the blues bros were like the cheech and chong of the late 70s, only they were coked to the gills. the blues bros movie actually being OK was a surprise.
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
comedy albums -- you listen once or twice and file em away forever. i remember ragging on people who bought the blues bros album. went all "high fidelity" on these fraternity and sorority types. telling em to buy aretha and howlin wolf instead.
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i was only 12 or 13 when the blues brothers came around, and i had no idea then what Stax records was or implied (i.e. some of the best r'n'b ever recorded, mostly in the sixties. uniting blacks and whites, somewhat, theoretically). i think they(Belushi and Aykroyd) deserve kudos for having good musical taste, and for bringing Booker T/mg's back into public conciousness. the movie is silly, not to be harsh, but it's not very funny.
― Edgard Varese is god (of music anyways) (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
it was all the mega popularity of SNL, the music was just incidental.
I was 13 back then and this is very OTM.
― sleeve, Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
3 comedy records i ever owned
blues bros. - got it when it came out, i was 12. really liked it but was confused at first because there was no "comedy" as such, except maybe for "rubber biscuit"
a steve martin album, can't remember the name but one side is him playing bluegrass tunes on banjo
bob & doug mackenzie - the one with the geddy lee song
buying all those records was tied to be really into snl/sctv.m coleman otm
― velko, Saturday, 14 November 2009 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you're insane re: steve martin
― Alf, Lord Melmacsyn (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
John Landis on the movie and Aretha:
https://deadline.com/2018/08/john-landis-aretha-franklin-the-blues-brothers-reminisces-john-belushi-dan-aykroyd-1202447056/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
This bit is really revealing:
LANDIS: What’s important to remember about that movie is, it was John and Danny’s intention to exploit their own celebrity of the moment, and focus a spotlight on these great American artists because rhythm and blues was in eclipse. To give you an idea, MCA Records, Universal Records, refused the soundtrack album.DEADLINE: Why?LANDIS: They said, who’s going to buy this music? And then, one of the great accomplishments of The Blues Brothers came when we recorded live John Lee Hooker on Maxwell Street, which is gone now. We had Pinetop Perkins, all these legendary people, recording John’s song “Boom Boom.” And when we ended up making a deal with Atlantic Records, Ahmet Ertegun himself wouldn’t put John Lee Hooker on the album. He said, he’s too old, and too black. It was very gratifying when the album went platinum.
DEADLINE: Why?
LANDIS: They said, who’s going to buy this music? And then, one of the great accomplishments of The Blues Brothers came when we recorded live John Lee Hooker on Maxwell Street, which is gone now. We had Pinetop Perkins, all these legendary people, recording John’s song “Boom Boom.” And when we ended up making a deal with Atlantic Records, Ahmet Ertegun himself wouldn’t put John Lee Hooker on the album. He said, he’s too old, and too black. It was very gratifying when the album went platinum.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
That interview was a good read. Thanks!
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
still love this film a lot. interesting to see Landis mention how '60s and '70s cinema opened up opportunities for directors, not bc it's an original quote but bc he's discussing it in relation to The Blues Brothers! But I think he's right; this is 130+ minutes, it's a showcase for a side of Chicago that was really not seen in films, and musicians who were not exactly big sellers, and it's really weird in an off-kilter nonsensical way that's not a million miles from something like Repo Man, just really meandering and odd and more about tone and weird performances and specific moments and surreal bits and incredible music. they even both feature cameos from kinda square blonde superstar musicians of the '70s (Jimmy Buffett/Joe Walsh.) And every time I'm staying at the old family house in IL and I go visit my brother, I drive down the stretch of road where the police cars all piled up in the ditch.
― omar little, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
I really can't get with cutting away from Cab doing "Minnie the Moocher" to, y'know, Belushi and Aykroyd crawling through a sewer.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that was my first exposure to real soul and blues musicians
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
it's a showcase for a side of Chicago that was really not seen in films
This was largely due to Daley. For whatever reason, he never allowed films to be shot in Chicago. Jane Byrne, though, threw the doors open in order to attract as much film business as possible. This was, if I'm not mistaken, the first major release to be shot in Chicago in years, possibly decades.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
This is a pretty good history:
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/01/making-of-blues-brothers-budget-for-cocaine
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
And I can't remember where I read it, but supposedly Cab Calloway was livid at having to do his standard arrangement of "Minnie The Moocher." He wanted to do a disco version, in order to hopefully get a hit out of it.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
I also found it interesting how Landis described each musical number as being different deliberately so he could do one of each type. Something I'd never noticed, and now it makes me want to watch the movie again.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
At least Cab realized one half of his dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Sm_RjYOnQ
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
the first major release to be shot in Chicago in years, possibly decades.
well, not the first, and certainly not decades... there was Medium Cool (shot around the '68 Dem convention, released in '69), and a fair amount of The Sting, The Fury and quite a few others in the '70s:
https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/chicago_film_office6.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
I've never seen this movie (somehow), but omar's post makes me want to. (Also -- I'm a "Repo Man" fanatic, yet don't think I knew that Jimmy Buffet had a cameo! Or maybe I once knew and forgot...)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
the blues bros albums are comedy records, and like you say not very funny ones.
This is straightup wrong. If anything John & Dan took their little novelty act a little too seriously. I'm pretty sure all those Stax guys in the band didn't think they were playing on a comedy record.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
well, not the first, and certainly not decades...
I figured/hoped you'd be the one to correct me. Ordinary People was strictly in the suburbs, as was much of My Bodyguard. My recollection of those is that there's a handful of shots -- if that -- of recognizable Chicago locations. Can't speak to the other films on the list, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
I remember as a kid hearing the "Steve Cropper and Duck Dodgers!" shout-out at the end of "Soul Man" and then, a decade later, figuring out that they were the Stax band when discovering Otis Redding. Definitely heard the Briefcase Full of Blues versions before the originals.
(Also filmed in Chicago around the same time: Steve McQueen's The Hunter, with a car plunging into the river from Marina City.)
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
also in 1980, My Bodyguard
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
there's one Chicago scene in Ordinary People, Sutherland talking to a co-worker with the river in the b.g., I think? The Sting is split between dressed Chicago locations and backlot sets.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link
And Thief!
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
yeah, Thief was '81
I'm sure there was an uptick in film production once Daley was out, but there hadn't been a ban or anything.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
Thief soundtrack > Blues Brothers soundtrack
― brimstead, Monday, 20 August 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link
Willie Dixon's in Thief!
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
True, it wasn't a ban; it was just Daley being typically dickish. This piece goes into some detail:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-06-16/entertainment/ct-live-0616-blues-brothers-20100616_1_jane-byrne-blues-brothers-mayor-richard-j-daley
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 August 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
One place the Cab Calloway/disco story that the Escape Goat mentions above is told is Cynthia Rose’s (excellent) little 1990 book Living in America: the Soul Saga of James Brown. She quotes Landis — I think from some big promo feature at the time, not her own interview — as follows: “The day we recorded Minnie the Moocher’ was the 50th anniversary of the day Cab had written it – and he wanted to do it DISCO. I said, ‘Cab, disco sucks’ – it was written on all the cameras, ‘Disco sucks’. I said, ‘Cab, we want to bring back rhythm and blues.’ He took me aside and said ‘John, I’ve done ‘Minnie’ Dixie and I’ve done it Charleston and I’ve done it rock and I’ve done it MOR.’ He listed every fucking form of music for the last 50 years and he said ‘John – you do ‘Minnie’ for what the people want. You do music just for yourself and you’re jackin’ off.”
I’d half-remembered this so I looked it up – it’s art of a slightly more intricate argument she’s making over several pages, but The Blues Brothers less as a source of soul’s renewal than a source of its gentrification, fully acknowledging (as Brown readily did) that it was excellent news for his career at a tricky juncture — he was able to switch labels with a much-improved contract and find a refreshed audience to tour to.
The Landis in this quote is a bit of a self-congratulatory dick — plus disco doesn’t suck — but at least he allows Cab the last word: in another claim, I assume from the same promo-facing source, he describes the film as “a true musical which would use every great rhythm and blues performer we could get — an epic surreal picture of AMERICA with the brothers as Christian Crusaders bringing back the blues!” And Rose goes on to suggest that the 80 yuppification of soul — its repositioning into “deep music as shallow accessory” — began here, less in the music itself than in how it was being used, in films and adverts and the career moves of much younger British groups and performers. There was a LOT of money sloshing round, plus a lot of coke — without saying anything outright about this Rose segues straight from Brown’s renewed early/mid 80s success to PCP and so on. And she quotes Gerri Hirshey, no less (I think this is Rose’s interview) being reminded by this revival of the segregated frat-house party world of the 60s: “There was a lot going on in the early 80s – that’s why I could sell my book. But […] the Blues Brothers thing – although they offered work again to a lot of people who wanted it – was very like the original redneck circuit. Where frat-boys had soul acts play their affairs cause they wanted a total party mode. And only this real, serious music could provide it.”
So anyway, after rereading this, I rewatched BB, expecting greatly to dislike it — the 80s is when I started out as a music-writer and UK writing abt black music at that time, positive or negative, mostly drove me nuts, as a blether of clichés and bad framing literally cutting it off from a wider audience.
And I… didn’t hate it! It’s kind of OK, actually. The framing can be a bit dismal — great musicians reduced to a backdrop for the clowns of yesteryear — and it is pretty self-congratulatory in places — but Ayckroyd and Belushi are physically so much the original hipster doofuses that they mostly actually disarm this? Ayckroyd’s silly dancing makes me smile still, as does his odd muppet-y accent. And then there’s the point being made by several people up-thread: no doubt actual real 80s yuppies watched and enjoyed this film (it was a big big hit) but so did a whole army of non-yuppie 11-year-olds, and for them the experience of Aretha or Hooker or was pretty much uncut.
And maybe (as a consequence) it outlasted what was a bit exhausting and problematic abt the 80s?
I’d never thought of the “love-song to Chicago” dimension before, so I watched it with this in mind. And, well, maybe: I’m not sure Landis is the film-maker I’d pick to pull this off. It begins — actually a bit startlingly — with a sequence of blasted industrial landscape that literally reminded me of the opening of Blade Runner (tho day not night) and made me wish I was having this material pointed at me by someone who could better frame a shot, or a gag, or a scene. There are hilarious moments — usually a performer perfectly hitting their mark with the camera competently aimed their way — but anything sustained for more than a minute or two usually gets the air knocked out of it at the edit. I love the weird physics-defying moment when the nazi car is suddenly wildly airborne (another reminder: the flying car in Repo Man), but the unbending car-chase and pile-up is really only funny conceptually, and the filming of it really only a step beyond basic.
(Landis isn’t really the film-maker I’d pick to pull anything off, tbh: I think he’s a terrible film-maker. He was young at this point but it’s not like he went on to get better.)
I like how anti-police it is in its otherwise fairly unpolitical way. I like the way it punches nazis (and lets us know it knows they have contacts in the police — arguably its most political moment). It has good lines — though Repo Man (somehow a curiously related film for me, except unimpeachable better) has far far more. I kinda dislike the smugness of the shots it takes at music that isn’t R&B: not just disco but Latin and of course country. The Good Old Boys scene is high-end cartoon stuff obviously, and ‘Rawhide’ is a great tune, but the idea that Murphy and Cropper and Dunn etc know no country tunes is total Landis-land projection, and grinds my gears a little.
― mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
unbending s/b unending i think, and “deep music as shallow accessory” isn't a quote despite the quotemarks, just me being coy abt my redux
― mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link
Wow that was great and not even behind a patreon paywall, thanks. I was in high school what that movie came out, waiting for Gerri Hirshey to write Nowhere To Run, and did not like the BB phenomenon at all. If I rewatched movie again I suppose I would have a similar reaction to what you describe.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link
While I was working on Redd's Roster of Restaurants of the Old Weird New YorkI found out about this, which may be of some interest:http://www.nysonglines.com/dominick.htmhttp://www.oocities.org/hollywood/lot/2976/brotherjohn.htmlhttps://tribecacitizen.com/2011/06/28/nosy-neighbor-where-was-the-original-blues-bar/https://tribecacitizen.com/2011/07/06/nosy-neighbor-update-blues-bar/
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link
Remembered berating my homeroom classmates about listening to them in 1977-1978, then recalled that the film was made after Animal House and checked and saw that the movie came out in 1980. I had a Christopher Priest moment of doubting my recollection until it swam to the surface that there was previously an album and I see that Briefcase Full of Blues was out in 1978.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Booming post, mark s. I definitely need to revisit the Rose book.
I’d never thought of the “love-song to Chicago” dimension before, so I watched it with this in mind. And, well, maybe: I’m not sure Landis is the film-maker I’d pick to pull this off.
Much as the problem with the Blues Brothers phenomenon means that their version of "Soul Man" (and not Sam & Dave's) gets played on Chicago "classic rock" radio, and their "Sweet Home Chicago" (and not Magic Sam's) is (or was, at least through the '90s) played at every sports celebration in the city, the problem with Landis filming, for instance, the long-gone Maxwell Street market means that brief scene is by far the most visible documentation of something with a long and rich history that many others could have done much more with, given the opportunity.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link
Thanks for that, mark s. People were recently giving me shit because I'd somehow never seen so much as a minute of this film. Guess I should check it out.
― These Sticks Were Made For Dipping (Old Lunch), Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
lol i will never learn how to spell aykroyd properly
― mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
also briefcase full of blues went double platinum tho presumably at least some of that was after the film? i mean the backing band had earned this i guess but
― mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
i think Briefcase had maybe less legacy sales than you'd think...
The sweet spot of the Blues Brothers' audience was 17 to 24 i imagine, maybe a little younger at the early end. Like Animal House, the film probably did best in areas where the R rating wasn't enforced.
disco does suck btw
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
(I think of TBB not as an '80s phenomenon, as they started doing opening bits on SNL in '77 and the film came out in June '80, but as the tail end of the '70s necessarily-compromised attempt at debauched pop multiculturalism)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
"yuppies" weren't identified explicitly as a phenomenon in America til around '84, so i look at Ferris Bueller as a more blatant outgrowth of that trend.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
the problem with Landis filming, for instance, the long-gone Maxwell Street market means that brief scene is by far the most visible documentation of something with a long and rich history that many others could have done much more with, given the opportunity
1) Name names - who could have "done much more with" the Maxwell Street market in a movie context?2) Explain how and why anybody else would have ever been given the opportunity.
Literally the only director I can think of who might have been interested in something like that would be Michael Mann (who's from Chicago) and then he'd probably just have turned it into the backdrop for a car chase or two white dudes having a stone-faced conversation with each other. So, same difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 25 August 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
The issue isn’t Landis’ relative ineptitude in itself so much as it was a relative ineptitude that got the opportunity to document Maxwell St — within the context of a multimillion Hollywood film — that other directors didn’t. It’s like saying “name singers who could’ve sung ‘Soul Man’ better than Aykroyd and Belushi.’” I can’t be positive, but I bet there might be a couple.Of course no one else would’ve been given the opportunity — why would a huge budget be thrown at a competent director (maybe one with ties to the community and phenomenon they’re filming) to document a years-long weekend tradition on the south side of Chicago?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
I think what you're looking for is a documentarian like Fred Wiseman or Les Blank.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
'zackly
isn't John lee Hooker onscreen for about 45 seconds?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
Feels like there's a trajectory from "Shout" in Animal House to this to the Lee Atwater / yuppie era that killed popular 12-bar blues by the early 90s.
Are there other Chicago soul/blues performances in movies around this time? Only one that comes to mind is Albert Collins in...Adventures in Babysitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552PLnE61TM
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
There's a bit of narration by Aykroyd at the beginning of Briefcase (and all BB concerts?) that goes something like "the blues as we know it will be extinct by the year 2000")... so, self-fulfilling prophecy?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
'zacklyisn't John lee Hooker onscreen for about 45 seconds?
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
There's a Blues/Soul Club scene in Thief (Cash MacCall performing?).
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 August 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
i don't think the folks making medium cool exactly cleared it with daley first...
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 25 August 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
He jams a bit in that scene and then occurs one of the least bluesy songs that is purportedly bluesy in film or TV history. Can’t remember if this is before or after the scene where they walk through Grant Park past the nonexistent Grant Park El train.
I was also going to say that the music in TBB is mostly definitely not blues, the genre just happens to make a couple of cameo appearances.
― omar little, Saturday, 25 August 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
decent point, rush
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 August 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
when did maxwell street market as-was come to an end? didn't it still exist some way into the 80s and even the 90s before the stalls were all folded up and moved on? i think there are directors around who could have done something less sketchy with it: jonathan demme, paul schrader, jim jarmusch, maybe even walter hill? i mean obviously the idea could hardly be be more counterfactual, sadly…
― mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
the idea that Murphy and Cropper and Dunn etc know no country tunes is total Landis-land projection
the Dunn and Cropper and Murphy &al. in the film are fictional characters
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Saturday, 25 August 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
Maxwell St Market was forced out in ‘94, due to a new UIC building or two. But there is a “New Maxwell St Market” on Des Plaines Ave, started in 2008.And hey, there’s a documentary about it!https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheat_You_Fair:_The_Story_of_Maxwell_Street
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
Directors Cut? Really? Legit?
― Mark G, Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
Technically an “extended cut” — there’s a handful of scenes stretched out a bit, and some brief additional sequences. The only one of those I remember off the top of my head is a bit where Elwood parks his car in a CTA electrical closet behind the transient hotel, where the car supposedly gets its “powers” from.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
And it’s on the 25th anniversary DVD.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
Ah right. I thought it was one of those fabled extended versions that hadn't been seen but had been discussed
― Mark G, Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link
XP It was also the cut available instead of the theatrical on the original DVD.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
also briefcase full of blues went double platinum tho presumably at least some of that was after the film? i mean the backing band had earned this i guess but― mark s, Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:43 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mark s, Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:43 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes indeed.
Evidently a popular Xmas '78 gift.
BLUES BROTHERS BRIEFCASE FULL OF BLUES
2x Multi-Platinum | October 30, 1984Platinum | January 5, 1979Gold | December 22, 1978
― Andy K, Saturday, 25 August 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
Haha, exactly
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
This is probably one of the Blues Brother's biggest problems for me tbh, they flatten the history of Afro-American music down to this level where "blues" stands for everything from Cab Calloway to Aretha Franklin.
The Blues Brothers 2000 soundtrack has some jams, surprisingly.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 26 August 2018 08:42 (five years ago) link
Speaking of Gerri Hirshey again, what was up with the paperback cover of Nowhere To Run? It seemed to depict Solomon Burke in an Elvis imitator wig.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
This is great
https://youtu.be/lVydhKIDoqQ
― piscesx, Sunday, 26 August 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
fair amount of The Sting,
Not as much as you might think overall. Most of it was Pasadena http://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-sting-1973.html
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 August 2018 08:52 (five years ago) link
whole concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTpiL_Leg-Q
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 27 August 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link
there's a lot of other little steps along the way, usually involving white people's (and ONLY white people's) reification of 60s R&B - from the Big Chill to the Commitments. But idk seeing people diss this movie for its impact on the music industry or the way it handled the music is strange. Never knew this movie had detractors to be honest.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
“Back to the Future” had a white teenager from 1985 retroactively inspiring Chuck Berry, and somehow rock 'n roll survived...
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
Not knocking the movie with that comment ^, only thinking through its popularity and how it connected the music with being a rebel, etc. xpost
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
this movie has problems unless you find endless vehicular mayhem endlessly funny
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
also, as someone pointed out at the time, Belushi's eyebrows were one of his comic assets and he only takes the shades off once.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
right, there's obviously some sloppy + stupid stuff in it, I had just never previously heard it criticized specifically for the way it handled the music
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
morbs can you remember *who* said that abt belushi's eyebrows? i assumed i'd remembered it from pauline kael's review but no
― mark s, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
i thought it might've been Kael; it's def a US contemporary critic
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
Belushi's attempt at an ingratiating accent when they show up at Bob's Country Bunker always gets me.
― omar little, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
David Denby slammed the film in New York magazine for being overblown in general and giving short shrift to the cameo stars:
https://books.google.com/books?id=5uUCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52#v=onepage&q&f=false
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
maybe the eyebrows line was from Janet Maslin in the NY Times
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
I thought it was Roger Ebert, but I didn't see it in his review (which is online).
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 27 August 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
lol this is now going to drive me nuts >:(
― mark s, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
ha this is playing at the Castro next week and my daughter expressed interest after seeing the Aretha clip, maybe we'll go
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
xp It wasn't Janet Maslin. She panned the film btw, only complimenting Aretha Franklin's performance (and said even that scene was badly edited).
― Josefa, Monday, 27 August 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
when i was growing up i never knew it could possibly have been panned, since it's generally really entertaining and funny and the music is good (albeit the loosest definition of the blues.) I guess I get it now, but I don't agree. sure the car pileup comedy isn't really funny, except in the absurd sense. but the BBs underplaying everything while it goes to hell around them still works.
i like how it's pretty respectful overall, even if the respect is often awkward. and it's still refreshing to see a movie where there's zero "scary" bits involving the inner city scenes (cf. Adventures in Babysitting, Animal House, any number of other films too numerous to mention.)
the most (comedy) tense bits involve a nun, a country bar (that's a different kind of problematic, i agree), the cops, and a fancy Near North restaurant.
― omar little, Monday, 27 August 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
the nun is of course Kathleen Freeman, of Jerry Lewis' rep company and Singin' in the Rain ("rrrround tones").
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
oh WOW I had never made that connection!!
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
and I watch Singin in the Rain once a year :(
She also in the Americanized Broadway musical of The Full Monty with terminal cancer, and stayed with it until 5 days before her death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Freeman
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
She panned the film btw, only complimenting Aretha Franklin's performance (and said even that scene was badly edited).
supposedly the performance part of the Aretha scene came out the way it did was that she had problems nailing both the lip-syncing and the choreography (something she'd never had to do to such a degree before or after), so they had to kind of edit around her at times when they just didn't have usable footage for certain parts.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
and also, Landis cut off the sax player's head. (foreshadowing of Vic Morrow)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
*rimshot*
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
It's interesting to read what the early-80s NYC media had to say, but please...the Blues Brothers (and Landis etc in general) is a classic example of a chasm between critics and ticket-buyers.
― everything, Monday, 27 August 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
this was enough to make quite an impression on young me
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
And he's not on the album?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
Nope. With the exception of "The Old Landmark" (James Brown with the Rev. James Cleveland Choir), everything on the soundtrack album is recorded by the Blues Brothers band, either with Belushi & Aykroyd ("She Caught the Katy," "Gimme Some Lovin'") or with whichever guests (Aretha, Ray, Cab Calloway).
None of the other songs in the film -- Sam & Dave, Fats Domino, John Lee Hooker, Louis Jordan -- are on the soundtrack record.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 13:59 (five years ago) link
Posted upthread:
I pulled a bunch of my parent's vinyl from storage last week, and among the titles was Briefcase... Spun it earlier this evening, and enjoyed it a bit. Aside from a couple obvious numbers, they dug fairly deep for songs, made sure you knew who did most of 'em to begin with, give the band room to move, and emphasize the humor in Blues/Soul that gets too often forgotten by revivalists (although they do go overboard--some serious cocaine thought went into doing "Groove Me" in comedy Jamaican).
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 31 August 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link
watched this movie with the kids last night and maybe I shouldn't have been surprised at how much they loved it. In a weird way, it's a perfect kids' movie, as long as you don't mind the swearing - the set-up is bare-bones simple, there's no extended dialogue or plot mechanics to decipher, tons of WB-cartoon style physical comedy, a great musical number every 5 minutes or so.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 October 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
No thank you, ma'am. We may be suckin' back a few beers later on. We'll be here all night. You see, we're the band!
― omar little, Monday, 8 October 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0008/3453/5487/products/8488566437676557808_GRATEFUL_DEAD_NEW_YEARS_2048x.jpg?v=1537901528
― earlnash, Monday, 8 October 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
I haven't seen this since I watched it many times as a kid, and my only memories are the country bar scene, Aretha singing "Think," and the car chase/crash, which was my favorite part of the whole thing.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link