Boyd Rice Intrigues Me

Search slsk for the solo Rice vs. Bob Larson interview. The funniest thing ever, especially when Boyd misuses terminology.

spell is interesting - i probably like their choice of material (the poppy family!!) more than the execution.

btw, if you've got HBO, keep an eye out for "by satan possessed" - mr. rice is featured in the intro and outro performing "total war."

I still have this on VHS tape, taped off HBO over a decade ago... Oh, what a greeeat program for sampling it is.. especially the "exorcisms" at the end.

someday i'll take you to disneyland
someday i'll take you to disneyland
we'll go on mister toad's wild ride
and follow him straight to hell
but that's not necessary just now
for now hell is all around us
no rubber devils, no smell of sulphur
but hell none the less
hell more grotesque than any medieval woodcut
instead of dramatic demons, a lifeless shuffling horde
without souls
without imagination
without worth
and beyond redemption
someday i'll take you to disneyland
i'll buy you a pair of mouse ears
tons of cotton candy
and a big helium baloon with mickey inside
but all that can wait
today i'll buy you a 357 magnum
and lots and lots of bullets
i'll buy you a stack of AK-47's
and a warehouse filled with bananaclips
all loaded and ready to go
i'll buy you B52 loaded with neutron bombs
and lots of soldiers, to do whatever is necessary
disneyland can wait
we have time
someday there will be more of us
maybe then the world can be disneyland
and visiting Hell will be noble again

(hmmm, a new quasi-creepy poster that likes to go back and reference completely unrelated posts of my recent past to use as lame retorts... cool! I mean TOOL!)

(Frank Tovey on the other hand is decidedly not a tool, but is sadly no longer.. was just blasting "Bridge St. Shuffle" off Civilian the other day)

http://drugie.here.ru/achtung/boydrice.jpg

And I'll admit I haven't paid attention to any of Rice's escapades in the last few years (my last memory of him was an interview from the late 90s where he spent the entire time trashing Merzbow for "not getting it" and saying more equally snotty bullshit) For all I know, he may have become a born again, and is now truly living life for jesus.

out of curiosity the other day i picked up "easy listening for iron youth: the best of non", which i guess is his "best" up until the early '90's. it's actually pretty fucking cool! i always wrote boyd rice off for obvious reasons, but i'll be damned if i don't really dig this. will be looking into the back catalogue.

i'll put in a good word for Blood & Flame here. love Rockist Scientist's post upthread.

Yeah, I'm pretty torn about this dude. On the one hand, the early noise work is rad, the record with frank tovey is great, very cool stuff. On the other hand, the whole "aren't I naughty?" dynamic is ultimately a dud and a waste of time. It's not all that transgressive once your fanbase expects it out of you, it's just a delivery system for a feeling of in-group superiority and that's tedious. I went to the NON/Death in June show in San Francisco (on Gay Pride Day, lol) and the kind of feedback loop of smugness between performer and audience while Boyd and Douglas P. did their thangs was queasy. Plus the whole "in here we can say the things we really feel, oh whoops except we're all about keeping you guessing so we're not going to shit or get off the fascist pot" dynamic sits very oddly, to say the least, with a spurious philosophy of "strength".

Which just brought to mind the Foetus lyric: Say what you mean and say it MEAN. Boyd and Douglas P. don't, or won't, do that, and so they seem essentially coquettish about genocide etc. Which is trivializing.

Boyd Rice was involved in creating a Tiki bar called Tiki Boyd's at the East Coast Bar in Denver, Colorado. Rice decorated the entire establishment out of his own pocket due to his fondness of Tiki culture, asking an open tab at the bar in return. Boyd has long expressed a love of Tiki culture, in contrast to the other elements of his public persona.[citation needed]

Tiki Boyd's was given its name in his honor.[8] Due to disagreements between Rice and the owners, Rice pulled out of the deal and reclaimed all of his Tiki decorations. The future of the bar as it remains now is uncertain. Rice plans to re-establish another Tiki Bar elsewhere in Denver.[citation needed]

that can't be real right?

hahaha

i'll bet he's got a real swinging space-age bachelor pad.

Oh Steve of little faith:

http://www.boydrice.com/tikiboyds/about.html

No really, he was/is totally into Tiki stuff and scored a signed Martin Denny LP from Martin Denny as a present for Genesis P. Orridge back in the day. Boyd was always into lounge music. See the cover of "Music, Martinis and Misanthropy" for a kitsch pastiche.

http://www.boydrice.com/tikiboyds/photos/boyd_rice.jpg

boyd always does make me think of olde-tymey nerd superiority complexes of the past. frank zappa. jello biafra. sometimes i think their dad was steve allen. people are sheep. ladies are dirty. i'm better than you. leopold and loeb did it better.

otmfm

Yep. Plus, nowadays, the great mass of overtly Nazi and NS black metal bands (Satanic Warmaster, Branikald, Blazebirth Hall people etc.) going around openly proclaiming their views makes the whole "am I or aren't I?" charade on the part of Boyd/DIJ seem especially strongly like a case of bad faith / weak nerves / standard chickenshit. Not that 'real' Nazis are somehow better than 'fake' Nazis because at least they have the courage of their asinine convictions, but rather, duh, if you know enough to hesitate then maybe you shouldn't be in the fake Nazi game in the first place. Leave that to Glenn Beck!

neotropical and scott OTMing up in this thread

btw, isn't his early stuff often composed of distorted lock grooves/loops he made from old exotica and girl group records?

You still cannot say why you think Boyd Rice is a tool. It's a simple question. Why is Boyd Rice a tool?

Do you ever think about
What a lovely place the world would be
Without all the people
That make life so unpleasant?

All the small, petty people
All the ugly, annoying people
It's hard not to think about it

I like to think about
What could be
Done to these people
Something cruel
Something mean
Something just
But the meaner the better
Goodness knows they deserve it

Have you ever dreamed of
Killing all the stupid people?
Not just the unintelligent people
But the sort that don't know anything about anything
But seem to have opinions about everything
They're only too ready to offer their advice about
How to run your life
And yet look at how they run their own lives
For the most part they've accomplished nothing
They've contributed nothing
Their lives are miserable
But they talk, talk, talk…
At the very least their tongues should be cut out
At the very least

Do you ever wanna
Kill all the people who tell lies?
Some certainly deserve it
Not necessarily the big liars
Or even those who teach lies as truth
I'm talking about people
Who say one thing and do another
Or who tell you they sent something express mail
When you know they haven't

Did you ever want to
Kill all the slow people in the world?
The people who are in front of you
When they should be behind you
A crime that the swift should be help back by the slow
And it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it

And what about all the really ugly people?
Add them to the list as well
Some people try not to think about life's ugliness
I've thought about it
I've thought about it quite a lot
Something should be done to these people
Something to make them suffer
The way they've made us suffer

I say, bring back the Circus Maximus
For starters
Unless these weeds are dealt with
They’ll poison everything
They are poisoning everything
We need a gardener
A brutal gardener
A thorough, thoughtful gardener
An iron gardener

Whatever happened to Vlad the Impaler?
Where's Genghis Kahn when you need him?
Or Roi d'Ys?
Ayatollah Khomeini?
Adolf Hitler?
Benito Mussolini?
Nero?
Diocletian?
Kitchener?

Come back!
Come back!

dude's own Imagine.

yeah, the shtick is undoubtedly lame, but some of those loops kind of rule.

lol someone's still in the high school of their mind

his book of essays this year, no, is way more measured and reasonable than i was expecting

I have a friend who is kind of Boyd Riceish in his misanthropy, fetishization of martial/industrial shit and radical politics, but he's a pro-revolutionary Marxist

Purchased the NON "Children Of The Black Sun" from a used bin recently because the cover was kind of amazing:

http://www.musica320.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nonon.jpg

That plus a quick phone search said it would be some ambient stuff that was sometimes beautiful and sometimes ugly, so I took a flyer not knowing NON or Boyd Rice very much.

The disc was haunting and elegant and mesmerizing! Quite enjoyable!

How does this fit into the Boyd Rice cannon?

Also, this thread has some evidence that the dude's a bit of an asshole whereas his Wiki Page downplays such allegations. Where does he stand now? Would it be embarassing for me to support him or is he just being shocking and demure?

NYCNative — That's a cool record, although... well, a lot of what is to be liked there is sampled. Anyways. Here's a story from that time, me trying to figure the guy out. Of course this is all pre-Da Vinci Code (ay yi yikes).

Utter Non Sense: Decoding Boyd Rice

I feel like people's comfortableness with Boyd Rice tracks roughly parallel with their comfortableness with Mel Gibson, and Boyd and Mel are likely guilty of the same things
(maybe not the drunkenness for Boyd -- isn't he a teetotaler? but the casual racism and infantile religious nonsense and wifebeating, probably)

He looks a bit like him too

xp no way dude boyd is a famous lush

Sure looks like a boozebag in this photo

http://www.boydrice.com/tikiboyds/photos/boyd_rice.jpg

he was/is a staff writer for modern drunkard!

also go to his site and find the section on tiki boyd's

Being a boozer is not very Hitlerian tho

It is Gibsonian though!

He kind of looks like Jeremy Clarkson in that photo.

Probably a bit less unpleasant though.

Less right wing anyway

Should totally do a car show with Douglas P as the Stig.

http://www.outofline.de/shop_neu/catalog/images/death-in-june-The-Rule-of-T.gif

http://www.boydrice.com/news.html

The below photo is of Boyd Rice with his creation "The Blue Hawaiian," a two-foot blue Jello tiki which recnetly won first place at The Denver County Fair's Jello Molding Contest. The tiki is made of Blue Curacao, pineapple, shredded coconut and blue Jello, with lemon slices for the eyes. In receiving the first prize award, Rice commented, "Tonight stands out as among one of the proudest of my life."

http://www.boydrice.com/news/gx/blue_hawaiian.jpg

That's magnificent.

lol, awesome. what a great outfit he's sporting, too

Ok

There has been a small uproar about Boyd Rice joining Cold Cave's show at 285 Kent this Saturday. After a handful of venues in other cities canceled tour dates due to Rice's inclusion, and notices appeared on a couple of websites, we've received about 9 emails imploring us to cancel, as well as 3 recommending we do not cancel. There has been some additional chatter on Twitter and Tumblr, etc.

Boyd Rice recently reappeared after many years absence, and has performed on bills this year at Europa and at Saint Vitus, without incident or protest. The controversy has come up because Boyd Rice is a character who has spent the last 30 or so years saying truly disgusting things - everything from palling around with the KKK to wearing Nazi uniforms to advocating the subjugation of women and the efficacy of rape. The guy revels in offensiveness and whether or not his statements are meant sincerely, or as schtick - he completely sucks as a human being and as an artist he employs abuse imagery and hate rhetoric for shock - a practice we find despicable.

So that leaves the question - why is this asshole playing 285 Kent (which I help run with Ric Leichtung)? Well, Ric booked Cold Cave to perform - a popular cold wave pop band. The show sold out with only Cold Cave's listing, after which time Cold Cave's frontman - Wes Eisold - announced he was adding Boyd Rice as his opener for Cold Cave's entire tour. We were left with a show booking that now included a noxious character.

We find Boyd Rice reprehensible and would never curate him or any of his acts to perform. However, he was booked and that is that. We believe passionately in free speech and artistic license (in this case Cold Cave's) and we will not actively censor someone else's curation. We also believe that Boyd Rice's notoriety would only be increased by martyring him in a high profile show cancellation.

We've heard a lot of concerns that allowing this man to take the stage will "endanger" the community or will "endorse" what the guy says. We couldn't disagree more. First of all, this guy is a washed up 80's era troll. He poses no realistic threat to our community. Attempts to puff his rhetoric up into "danger" are laughable - this guy is a joke. We have straightforwardly said we abhor what he has to say. We are far more concerned about the message sent by censorship than whatever this washed up relic gets out of our allowing him to perform.

On a more philosophical level, speech is speech and action is action. We live in a free society and while artistic license and free speech are different things, they both speak to the belief system that anyone can say anything in the public forum and "right" ideas will win out over those that are evil.

Passions have run high among some, and it is altogether possible that there could be an attempt at direct action to "sabotage" the event on Saturday - there has been some conjecture that this fear contributed to the cancellations in other cities. We have already received multiple oblique threats, several curse-laden late night crank calls, anonymous threatening text messages, etc. These sort of thug tactics only strengthen our resolve, however. We will not be bullied, and frankly we wish this same level of passion was instead directed at undoing the fascistic NSA's surveillance structure recently revealed to be infiltrating all of our lives, rather than freaking out over a pathetic old hack saying bullshit that is designed to offend.

We encourage anyone who wishes to attend the show but does not wish to watch Boyd Rice to leave the room when Boyd Rice performs. We will issue refunds to anyone at the door who purchased a ticket but has now chosen to skip the show (and we won't be releasing new tickets to replace those that are refunded).

For what it's worth, we will be challenging Boyd Rice's views on site, night of show, by distributing literature at tables set up in the lobby, explaining who Boyd Rice is and what his shameful history entails, as well as information about how to get involved in anti-fascist activism, support for the victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault, and the cause of freedom of expression.

We at 285 Kent don't expect this decision or explanation to fully please those individuals who wanted us to cancel. We respect your views, even if we disagree about tactics, and we hope you can extend us the same respect.

that is a great statement/course of action, thanks for posting.

285 Kent takes stand against Boyd Rice's shock racism, still OK with this: http://adhoc.fm/post/direct-mssg-all-they-do-rhyme-words-such-typical-r/

lil boyd

What's 285 Kent besides a venue?

Sooooo i guess there was some 'action' at 285 Kent last night, including Boyd hitting a woman and knocking her down, and some skinheads beating up on a guy who stole his (Boyd's) hat? Anyone there who can tell me more?

ian, I think you meant to post that here: http://www.brooklynvegan.com/

i'm not vegan.

what does this guy even do onstage in 2013? press play on a laptop, recite "Total War," and then leave?

That's pretty much what he did the one time I bothered going to see him, around 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEObdNg_ogk

Total snore, more like.

dude's being upstaged by a crate in that clip

what a doofus

are there still "skinheads" in 2013?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhxLovB2d68

well, i guess i was wrong about there being any kind of confrontation with skinheads. internet rumor.

"total war" still sounds pretty great to me.

Prefer this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNP9eR-eZQ

old dude tours with cold cave, gets more attention than he's had in years

nice work kids now everybody can enjoy the soothing sounds of what single-A ball industrial sounded like during the glory days of the major leagues

wait who is single-a and who is major leagues? boyd was single-a when major leaguers were around? i never really listened to his stuff. but yeah that sounds about right i guess cuz people still adore TG and SPK and nobody talks about boyd much.

i got a boyd rice/frank tovey album in at the store and i didn't even listen to it. that's how curious i was. and i pretty much would have listened to anything else similar from that era.

Seriously think I could get some of that sweet Slate.com money with a "Boyd Rice > Kanye West" pitch right about now.

Donut entirely OTM upthread

Boyd Rice is one of the guys who helped popularize that entire art of shallow shock and awe "extreme" music, but with none of the good aspects -- the type of scene that influences the kind of guys you find at that one hole-in-a-wall coffeehouse in your [insert semi sized urban city of your choice] who like just turn up the volume and say really offensive things for "art" on that alternate open mic Wednesday, but just end up annoying and boring you while you're waiting for your expresso. And I can't, for the life of me, make my way through a Non CD without being a) annoyed, or b) bored. I'm not denying he has influenced folks who have produced music far more insightful and creative, and that he was there "first", if that really means anything. And as I stated above, his stories of early pranks were very entertaining. But that's where my praise of Boyd Rice ends. I find his politic views pretty horrific, although I find his pretentions in defending them even more horrific. Or better phrased, pathetic.
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, January 26, 2004 9:35 PM (9 years ago)

nobody talks about boyd much.

Anytime you talk about him it turns into a thread like this.

THIS IS NOT A SAFE SPACE FOR BOYD DISCUSSION.

Boyd Rice / Non (official) moms fuck up EVERYTHING!!! toss out old comics & trading cards & so on. they're the worst!!!
Yesterday at 6:24am · Like · 1

pvmic

is his tiki bar still a thing?

Aluna from AlunaGeorge on "Nevermind The Buzzcocks" wearing a cutoff NON T-shirt?!?!?!

dude's being upstaged by a crate in that clip

― da croupier, Sunday, June 30, 2013 12:52 PM (2 months ago)

hall of fame post imo

what does this guy even do onstage in 2013? press play on a laptop, recite "Total War," and then leave?

― Romantic style in da world (crüt), Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:05 AM (2 months ago)

lol

If you like creepy dark folk music, Alarm Agents with Death in June is pretty good!

Was the black girl on Phil JUpitus' team on Never Mind The Buzzcocks really wearing a Non tshirt on the show last night or did I just miss a word or phrase on the bottom of the image?

dunno, surprised nobody's mentioned it on this thread

Aluna Francis on this episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXLqCiTdL6c

She is, it looks like this one
http://vintagetees.highwire.com/product/nurse-with-wound-t-shirt-t-shirt-tee-black

Wow thought I must just be not seeing the whole thing. Assume it's about as relevant to her as Justin Timberlake or Jennifer Aniston wearing an MC5 one.

http://media.giphy.com/media/qWprGwSxSZmMM/giphy.gif

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9gpp0sTX-UHQC7KRAcASWg6Ox4_jJxJiY35NB4QUaWV_vEI8q

Non, Death In June and Sixth Comm t-shirts are all apparently flying out of Top Shop as part of their ultra hip Neo-N range for Autumn.

Sorry missed the first post there. Presumably why the thread was reactivated.
who are Aluna George anyway? They getting dressed by stylists with warped sense of humour?

Wouldn't really be surprised about that Top Shop thing.