Oasis - Classic or Dud?

I got as far as the bus stop when I realised that I had two album 1's.

Went back got an exchange. There that got yer.

Oh well.

I just think they were in the right place at the right time.

Gold or beans? Definitely beans.

Also, in what sense, exactly, were they "indie"?? Certainly not in the label sense. And not in the music sense either, near as I can tell. I mean, they were a vaguely glammy guitar-pop band. Period - about as "indie" as the Black Crowes. And about as close to being the Beatles as the Crowes were to being the Stones, too. (So I could ask how they were "obnoxious," as well, but then again, I only listened to the music and never read the interviews, which might explain it.)

Steepest decline: Lauren Hill, Tricky, Prince or Stone Roses?

And "Wonderwall" really is one of their worst songs I've never understood why it was their "breakthrough hit" in the US - certainly it was the only thing I ever heard on the radio. "Don't Look Back in Anger" was soooo much better.

I've always noticed this prob. on ILM between the Brits and Americans...it's like America has this very defined idea of "indie" (usually a record label thing) and in England it's like....4 Guys....Guitar music....not heavy metal or mohawk-type straight up punk....It's Indie!

Then again, if it is strictly about record labels, then Depeche Mode and New Order were "indie" bands.

So are Third Eye Blind and Smashmouth indie too, then? (I forget if they had four guys, but they definitely fit the rest of your definition.)(I mean, it's taken me a while to understand the whole "indie is kind of music" rather than "indie is something on an indie label" line, but even the "kind of music" that people usually refer to as indie doesn't usually include plain old mainstream rock bands, right?) (Unless they're, I dunno, My Morning Jacket. Or the Drive By Truckers. Or the Kings of Leon. And so on. But that's NOW; back in the '90s indie kids HATED mainstream rock, I always thought.)

Well, sorta. The way it actually worked is that the band signed to Sony worldwide and *then* were licensed back to Creation.

LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL: Indie and all its subgenres (indie-rock, indie-dance, etc.) are NOT styles of music. They're a description of what commercial demographic you're marketing your records to, as well as if the companies that produce the records are owned by the five "majors" currently in existence. There's no such thing as indie in the musical sense, and that's why ILM has such a hard time describing indie: because it doesn't exist!

Yes you should. ;-) The first formal Sony/Creation deal on a labelwide level was late 1992, when Sony bought in for just under half of Creation.

Neither classic nor dud. They got some good suff and some real rubbish.

Despite the short period of excellence, I've got to go "classic" because they were just SO HUGE from 1994-1996. That's a three year chunk of British music history that has to be viewed in the context of what Oasis were doing/saying/playing at the time, and that sort of dominance is rare in music.

Then pretty dismayed to find that behind the sullen sneer they were the sort of boorish macho dullards I was crossing the street to avoid on my way home in Liverpool every night.

Classic for "Acquiesce"; Dud for most of the rest; Super-Dud for their contribution to "lad culture" and Beatles necrophilia.

There was a week in whatever year it came out that I thought Don't Look Back In Anger was the greatest song ever. Then I didn't. Now, I still have a soft spot for it, and a fair few other bits of theirs (Live Forever in particular). Plus Noel Gallagher usually seems to give very entertaining interviews, and does the whole personality crisis schtick (in his case usually manifested as "that last stuff we did was shit, but this is us back on form") a billion times better than Robbie fucking Williams.

Little By Little is very probably one of my least favourite songs ever, though, and lots of their stuff is just very dull. Some Might Say... dear god, no. So, yeah, neither classic nor dud, just somewhere in between.

How exactly were they "huge" (outside of England, I mean)? In the US, as I've written on other threads, they were just another okay band -- about as important as Third Eye Blind or Smashmouth or somebody.
-- chuck (cedd...), January 23rd, 2004.

They are still huge in Mexico, as far as I could tell from last year. Must be the Anglophilia!

The tunes - Inoffensive, if not entirely unoriginal. And overrated.
The lyrics - Mostly shit.
The image (if you care about that sort've thing) - Utterly boring.
"Personality" - Apart from the brothers incomprehensibly berating each other all the time (and that, too, got dull), the band has zero in the personality department....nicknames like "Bonehead" notwithstanding.
Stage presence - Once again, apart from Liam acting like an ass, null & void.
Album cover art - Yawnsome.
Edge - Oft-touted, rarely displayed.
Groove - Non-existant.

So a score draw for me.

when they opened up for neil young - and liam did 'morning glory' - that moment sold me on oasis as a live act.

nuff said.

It wasn't me. I love The Wall.

Me. Bag of Shite.

Best thing they ever did : "Some Might Say" (UK cd single) - the title track, "Acquiesce", "Talk Tonight" (Noel's best acoustic thingy) and "Headshrinker". Perfect.

Everything after Morning Glory is poo, frankly...

I agree hands down. Not one step misplaced on that one.

Definitely Maybe had some good songs on it, but I'm still coming down on the side of dud. Never saw what was supposed to be so great about Liam's voice.

Classic if only for the interviews, mind.

The image (if you care about that sort've thing) - Utterly boring

This is missing the point, which was that Oasis were like the crowd up on stage. Plus it wasn't that boring, they had an air of menace -- in the UK.
They weren't 'indie' but they came out of indie 'culture' (ie NME readers, Evening Session listeners). Croation wasn't a 'real' indie by that point, but it was more indie than Columbia, shall we say.

I'm reading John Harris' not-very-good Last Party right now which prompted me to revive this thread.

Haha, my best mate's dad directed it!

dying over here

The whole thing, or just the singing bits?

"never forget"

Gotta love the Noel eyeroll during the clip at 3:50.

Because the singing was abominable?

Gallagher added his own views on the difference between the two groups: "Great pop music is not about real life, it's about how great life can be. Real life's s**t."

says CHEERFUL UNDER-30 NOEL GALLAGHER WHO DIDN'T REVIVE SUCCESS OF 'GRUMPY OLD MEN' IN THE CHARTS AT ALL OH NO

As for Liam, I remember some years back apparently some voice specialist said he would completely have shot his voice by about now. And so it appears to prove.

Gallagher added his own views on the difference between the two groups: "Great pop music is not about real life, it's about how great life can be. Real life's s**t."

You need to be yourself
You can't be no one else
I know a girl called Elsa
She's into Alka Seltzer
She sniffs it through a cane on a supersonic train
She made me laugh
I got her autograph
She done it with a doctor on a helicopter
She's sniffin in her tissue
Sellin' the Big Issue

If I have to see one more AT&T commercial that ends with a whiny "All around the world..." I am to spontaneously combust. GAWWWWWD!

How much longer til their contract with AT&T runs out? How many trillions did they make by licensing that song, which seems to be played at least once every commercial break?

I am to double-check my spelling and grammar next time I post, too.

yeah, that's got to have made them more $$ than everything else they've done combined. Since AT&T still uses it even after absorbing Cingular it seems that they aren't going to rebrand and switch songs, at least not for a while.

Noel Gallagher has continued his attack on the Arctic Monkeys, branding them "grumpy old men".

The Oasis guitarist has made numerous jibes at the Sheffield band since their rise to fame, and has continued this week with his latest criticism. As well as blasting the band's image, Gallagher expressed his concern over upcoming musicians copying the Monkeys.

He said: "Their public persona is now of a bunch of grumpy old men. I'm worried about what's going to follow in their wake. It's gonna be c**ts with guitars going: 'And me mum works down the f**king chip shop, she met a geezer' and all that."

Gallagher added his own views on the difference between the two groups: "Great pop music is not about real life, it's about how great life can be. Real life's s**t."

Funny how since the posts made in November of '06, Noel is now bff with the Arctic Monkeys. HYPOCRISY SHOCKAH

http://www.the-masterplan.co.uk/audio/2008-leaks.php

Even the new stuff they leak online is a) rubbish and b) four years old.

interesting

my oh my is 'slide away' ever a great song.

but aside from that and a couple of other less notable cuts from the first record, dudsville

mere words cannot explain the contempt in which i hold this band.

perhaps the mode of interpretive dance, then?

Then, now and forever: dud.

I miss long-gone ILM poster osis fan.

I was reading the last issue of Mojo during my lunch break at Borders. They did another readers poll: 50 best UK albums of all time.

3. Radiohead: OK Computer
2. Oasis: What's the story...
1. Oasis: Definitely Maybe

Quite a bit of Keane in there too. The Beatles still made top 10.

Sure that wasn't Q mag?

Sure that wasn't any monthly music mag since 1997?

classic for first two albums and associated b-sides, pretty boring since and getting steadily worse.

don't get me wrong, still better than radiohead though.

no i think you'll find that was the pretenders.

Mark, you're right: it was Q. And yes, unfortunately it was May 2008:

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/qlistspage3.htm#Q%20Readers%20Best%20British%20Albums

So, why the seachange at this point? 20 something Oasis fans in the mid 90s turning into 30something Q readers in 2008?

Anyway, dud.

1. Oasis – Definitely Maybe
2. Oasis – (What’s The Story) Morning Glory
3. Radiohead – Ok Computer
4. The Beatles – Revolver
5. The Stone Roses – The Stone Roses
6. The Beatles – Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart Club Band
7. The Clash – London Calling
8. Keane – Under The Iron Sea
9. Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon
10. The Verve – Urban Hymns
11. Radiohead – The Bends
12. The Beatles – Abbey Road
13. Keane – Hopes And Fears
14. Oasis – Don’t Believe The Truth
15. Dépêche Mode – Violator
16. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead
17. Queen – A Night At The Opera
18. Arctic Monkeys – Whatever People Say, That’s What I’m Not
19. The Beatles – The Beatles
20. Sex Pistols – Never Mind The Bollocks…
21. The Beatles – Rubber Soul
22. Oasis – Be Here Now
23. Muse – Absolution
24. Duran Duran – Rio
25. Blur – Parklife
26. Coldplay – A Rush Of Blood To The Head
27. Manic Street Preachers – The Holy Bible
28. Muse – Origin Of Symmetry
29. Led Zeppelin – IV
30. Pink Floyd – The Wall
31. The Libertines – Up The Bracket
32. Coldplay – X & Y
33. The Who – Who’s Next
34. Muse – Black Holes And Revelations
35. Amy Winehouse – Back To Black
36. Dépêche Mode – Songs Of Faith And Devotion
37. Stereophonics – Word Gets Around
38. The Prodigy – The Fat Of The Land
39. Pulp – Different Class
40. Radiohead – In Rainbows
41. David Bowie – Hunky Dory
42. Arctic Monkeys – Favourite Worst Nightmare
43. Manic Street Preachers – Everything Must Go
44. Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here
45. Pet Shop Boys – Behaviour
46. David Bowie – Ziggy Stardust
47. Coldplay – Parachutes
48. The Rolling Stones – Exile On Main Street
49. Joy Division – Unknown Pleasures
50. The Rolling Stones – Let It Bleed

Nothing wrong with that.

TWO rolling stones in the top 50? and neither of them compilations? scandalous

Dépêche

they're from basildon, not bordeaux.

odd list. or maybe i'm odd.

The Prodigy – The Fat Of The Land

Still the token dance album of choice, ten years on? Wowzers.

my mate from rochdale moved to boston (briefly) in the late 1990s and sent me a mixtape called "the land of the fat".

wonder where i put it? it was bloody good.

7. The Clash – London Calling
8. Keane – Under The Iron Sea
9. Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon

SEQUENCE DOES NOT COMPUTE

Q is dumb.

that list is terrifying, it's like nothing's changed since 1997

who are these "readers" voting for the same 10 albums ten years and counting??

at least keane came along and revolutionised things after 1997

Maybe it's made up, like Ant 'n' Dec and the Blue Peter cat.

Even by Oasis' standards this is some pretty horrible cover art:

http://static.nme.com/images/08714_154326_digoutyoursoul.jpg

Sorry that was meant to be an image above!

Trying again:

http://static.nme.com/images/08714_154326_digoutyoursoul.jpg

it's blindingly shit, isn't it? really. i can't believe a band this clodhopping is not just allowed to exist but is actually still lauded in some quarters.

there was a moderately amusing piss-take on idolator or the quietus or something the other day, but i can't be arsed looking again.

According to this, the designer responsible also did the covers for XTRMNTR and Broadcast's Ha Ha Sound, both of which I liked. That is truly dire though.

That really looks like a Pollard collage for one of his umpteen side projects.

One of the worst covers I've seen in my life.

Great new song/video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K09GFqeT_5g

lolz

first 20 seconds are good, then some fat yank midget fucks it up stupid yanks

I saw Oasis live tonight. A friend who is a much bigger fan than I am decided graciously to take me. I'd like to share my impressions, as someone who hasn't bought an album of them since um...well, Heathen Chemistry, which I don't remember jack shit about. And I have never seen them live, either, though I own the "...There & Then" VHS and remember quite enjoying it for awhile.

Okay well first of all, on the positive side, I thought Liam was dressed impeccably. He had a white scarf that sorta led 3/4 of the way down his chest over a black shirt and I thought that was fantastic. Black leather jacket, just down to the waist, nothing too fancy. Jeans, with chains hanging out the back pockets. Totally Paul Weller hair (or I dunno, Beatles hair, I couldn't really quite describe it...a bit more over the top than Paul Weller hair I think). I just thought it was bloody great men's fashion. Top gear or whatever you're supposed to call it in Brit-speak.

Other positive sides: even if they didn't do the song I most wanted to hear ("Roll With It") they did do "Champagne Supernova" which I especially loved. And one of their new songs (of about three they played) did sound really cool and psychedelic and they had the visuals to prove it. I don't know what song it was (my friend says the album isn't out yet) but I'd like to hear it again.

On the negative sides: the song they announced as their new single seemed dark and uninteresting to me. Couldn't figure out where they were going with that at all. Fuck me if I know the name of it. Also, I didn't find their song choices from the past to be particularly wise. "The Masterplan" by Noel acoustic? Um...I can think of about 5 other songs I'd like to hear him do acoustic. "Slide Away"? Yawn. Yeah "Supersonic" was okay I guess...

I dunno. It's Oasis, what do you expect, right? I still marveled at the sight of good ol' Andy Bell from Ride on bass. My friend said he thought they still had Zak Starkey on drums, but it turned out not to be true.

It does get a bit tiring the way they appropriate other people's songs for their own. The drumming for one of them (I thought it might be one of the new ones but I'm not sure) sounds exactly like the start of "Tomorrow Never Knows". And what's up with fucking "Cigarettes & Alcohol" ripping off T-Rex? But you know, it's Oasis, what do you expect? I don't think they're a BAD band, but you do have to cherry pick with them.

Oh wait! One more thing I wanted to mention was I was surprised the venue was packed, it was a pretty big place. I wouldn't have expected that many people (in America, or Seattle) to show up. It was quite odd. I mean, Oasis don't really have much of a following in America now. I don't know what it's like in the UK...

They still have a pretty large and loyal following over here, though I don't know who all these people are. Probably Northerners.

They seem to have as rabid a fanbase as Michael Jackson, judging by the Teletext letters page.

Oh the Teletext letters page. I used to love that.

Belouis Some is NOT a one-hit wonder he is a HUNK and will be around long after manky Owen Paul has shot his bolt!
Jenny, The Wirral

They're still brilliant, Nick.

Bimble - drummer now is Chris Sharrock ex The Icicle Works, The La's and Robbie Williams!

Oh really? Wow! That's neato.

Oasis are not at all impressive as a rock and roll band. They lack the drive of rock'n'roll, plus Noel Gallagher sucks as a guitar player. They cannot really do much more than turn the guitar amps up to 11, and that just isn't enough. Also means they are really bad live.

They are an excellent pop band though. Because Noel Gallagher particularly back in the 90s used to be a fantastic pop songwriter. Thus, their pop albums ("Morning Glory", "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants" are their best ones, while when trying to rock, as on "Heathen Chemistry" and even "Definitely Maybe", they failed somewhat more.

"Definitely Maybe" was OK, I mean, no album with such fantastic songs as "Supersonic", "Live Forever" or "Slide Away" could possibly be a bad album. But it is still overrated. "Morning Glory" is underrated though. It is fantastic, and it will remain fantastic, as a glorious classic pop album that helped kick some life into the good old melody again after years of the melody being terribly underrated as the most important element in music.

wasn't Ryan Adams on the bill at the Seattle concert too? I would be surprised if Oasis could have filled the place themselves, but then again they probably haven't been here since the 90s so maybe it was a long time coming for some people. I was on the list for it but backed out after I decided I just didn't care enough anymore...plus doesn't Liam sound like shit these days?

Yes! You are right about the Ryan Adams aspect of it. I'd forgotten that because we didn't go in the main part of the venue til after he quit (I kept thinking he sounded like U2 from outside, though strangely enough). Yes, that probably had a lot to do with it because on my way driving there I remember thinking "more folks will probably be there for Ryan than Oasis". But still there seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm for Oasis...a lot of kids younger than myself with Oasis T-shirts...it all seemed really odd to me, but then maybe they hold that stuff more precious than I might because when Oasis were in their most popular prime, these folks would have been less than 20 years old.

It's not true that they haven't been here since the 90's, though - my friend that I went with said he did see Oasis play here a couple of years ago but they were much further up the road in a smaller town (Everett) and he said there weren't many people there, which doesn't surprise me.

I don't think Liam sounded like shit, he did a fine, professional job. It all seemed a bit business-like, though. I had rather hoped Liam might say something to the crowd, but he didn't. Noel did at one point - he said "sounds funnily Australian, that" about some song he was doing that the crowd was singing along. I wasn't really sure what he meant by that but it seemed funny at the time.

I agree with Geir that Morning Glory was their highest point. I feel bad about saying that though because there was a lot of stuff on the Masterplan compilation that I particularly enjoyed. Strange that they didn't do "Live Forever" or "Acquiesce", though. Now that would have been real nice.

Also when Noel made the "Australian" remark, I wondered if he was commenting on the accent of the audience, for the general non-region specific American accent of Seattle folks is much closer to Australian accents in many ways than any Brit ones, I've always felt. I remember when I was in England someone thought I had an Irish accent, though, so I don't know what to think of that. :)

"Definitely Maybe" is a fucking great album, and sounds nothing like the bullshit that followed it.

overheard in the office just now:

"i love oasis."
"they're just a bunch of fucking brits, man, that get mad at each other."

fuckin love the man.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cMKwI6j-alg/SLVjawAgwOI/AAAAAAAAAM0/1jsKgDIsi8k/s400/omar-s.gif

I love 'em. Classic through and through. Not high-echelon classic like Beatles or Floyd, but second-echelon classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=211&v=rfNqyjZcleI

^ Oasis music video DVD commentary highlights, the best 10 minutes of my day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-s3o-sbxYs
James Fry: Sons of the Stage, Oasis & other supernovas - First photo shoot of Oasis !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjU3PilUkAAcUiA.jpg

Made me laugh.

Liam's bitter at the fact that without his brother he's managed to achieve less than fuck all, and Noel's apparently meant to be the lazy one!

not fair dude liam is the owner of a popular clothing line for twats

lol

Definitely Maybe > (What's The Story) Morning Glory? > The better songs on Be Here Now > SWEET FUCK ALL > everything else.

Everything else > Oasis

they should have stuck with richard fearless for the production on their last album.

omg this sky news inteview is like all time classic oasis bitching <3

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/best-bits-from-liam-gallaghers-supersonic-interview

#potato

The Q&A slowly descended into a farce

For reference and posterity, this thread should probably have links to these:

Your music's shite it keeps me Polling all night: OASIS (ILM artist poll 78) --- Voting open until Sunday August 21, 2016
POLL With It - OASIS (ILM artist poll #78) --- The results thread

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/persons/68879/68879_v9_ba.jpg

Dud.

What a catalog!.

I always thought "Stand by me" copped a bit from REO Speedwagon's "Take it on the run". I remember reading somewhere that the first album Noel bought was an REO Speedwagon album. "Take it on the run" is a far superior song obv

Swap "champagne supernova" with "d'you know what I mean?" and your list would be reasonably otm

i dreamt that stephen merchant of the ricky gervais show beat me to scoring some price reduced sea bass in tesco. and also that i gave liam and noel some cigarettes at an oasis reunion show in a theatre.

Liam fell out of a helicopter

So check this out I fell out the helicopter last night you couldn’t rite it all good who said RnR is dead Keith moon eat your drum skin out C’mon you know LG x pic.twitter.com/MSVR1C6EXk

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2021

legend

"If this guy plays "Blackbird" one more time I'm going to lose it..."

https://scontent-bos5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355706068_10161292341292137_7343522686910549487_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=u6u01_Irle4AX9pJmqb&_nc_ht=scontent-bos5-1.xx&oh=00_AfDRMrqV6AaioLOXEwvPzLr0o7wX6qguaHcFx7VZZ3g2ug&oe=649950F5

so not gonna happen

so not gonna happen

Noel and Liam Gallagher appear to have settled their differences and, if the truce holds, will play massive concerts in London and at Manchester’s Heaton Park in 2025
https://t.co/OCRiM76G3i

— The Times and The Sunday Times (@thetimes) August 24, 2024

see you down front, you big fanny

Fooking massive rivalreh

weird how an Oasis reunion rides high in my biggest nightmares top 10

I think these shows will happen because deep down they must know they’re practically worthless unless they are on stage / studio together.

Noel's stuff isn't bad

Yeah Noel's better off as is.

The looming will they/won't they reminds me of nothing as much as Take That and Robbie in the few years prior to Progress. Because the ongoing speculation itself is the ace to be played, a failproof dollop of syrup for interviews. If a reunion tour happens it'll make everyone happy and then a year on once it's over Noel will go back to HFB, Liam reluctantly goes back to his dull stuff, and fewer people will care for either than they do right now. Chase > catch etc.

i hope they're just teasing a new definitely maybe reissue but i am confused that they aren't just waiting another two days for whatever they're announcing

This is so obviously going to be the case
https://www.nme.com/news/music/oasis-rumoured-to-reform-with-only-the-gallagher-brothers-and-no-other-original-members-3787367

tony mccarroll denied justice yet again ffs

xp Oasis rumoured to reform with only the Gallagher brothers – and no other original members - in other Oasis news, Noel and Liam are brothers, apparently. And verily, twas ever going to be so that an Oasis reunion doth consist of Noel, Liam, and various characters from the last few decades whomst the brothers Gallacher hath not pissed off. Which rules out Tony (fired by Noel), Paul (fired? I don't remember), and Bonehead (lost his spot as lead guitarist when Noel showed up, then fired?).

Kinda feel like they should lean into that, have a second backing band ready and fire Noel's band mid-set.

They risk alienating the hardcore Tony McCaroll stans.

The Bonehead's Boners stan army is not liking this news.

give it guigsy to the end of the reunion

hope they're just teasing a new definitely maybe reissue


the hyped date is two days before the 30th anniversary

Not sure why they even need yet another Def Maybe reissue though (okay, I do.. $$$$$) since there was the fairly extensive one with all the bonus stuff in 2014 and a fancy 25th anniversary vinyl one in 2019.

Bonehead left "to spend time with his family" and has occasionally played in Liam's band.

Also some rumors floating around that this is all just to launch a new Def Maybe themed Manchester City kit. That would be an excellent troll.

The main draw to the new Def Maybe set is the Monnow Valley sessions

Monobrow Valley, more like. cheers.

Dud

I never got into Oasis until my partner, who is a big fan, so I gave them a good listen just to find some common ground. I'd say for a couple of years (1994 and 1995), they really were excellent, even churning out a lot of top-notch non-album material to go along with Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory. That's pretty much all the Oasis I'd go back to, but that's still quite a bit of music.

It really is all you need. But its unlikely they would stick to just that material.

what's right with you people

listening to morning glory. as ever it strikes me that 'hey now!' is the most album tracky album track ever. lengthy, a bit tuneless, no one's favourite, there in good spirits as a breather between the big hitters.

jfc

ffs top news story on BBC and Sky. This fucking country.

So is there going to be a thread of ILXors going?

Painful watching TV presenters and reporters under 40 - which is most of them - having to act like they give a fuck.

Ah, back in the day the presenters were old and were like "um, Kurt Cobian of Nirvana? has just died we'll have some information later in the show..."

Kay Burley running amok asking every interviewee if they are Oasis fans and bullying her co-presenter into saying he likes them, "What, you're not an Oasis fan?"

Ticket prices? Ah, secret...

Dud

Get the Stone Roses to support them
#thingscanonlygetbetter

Ticketmaster's dynamic pricing algorithm is going to have a field day

The ticket buying equivalent of the darwin awards; for an Oasis gig in 2024 you deserve the prices you're willing to pay

Dud

https://assets.confidentials.com/uploads/imported/i/K2I/5DOG_K.jpg

There's definitely a Cockney walk, a guy I used to work with had it. There's also a Glasgow/West of Scotland walk. The latter is more of a strut, so is the former but not as marked.

This is great.

I've watched this video of Liam Gallagher making his own cup of tea every day for a week now pic.twitter.com/xlVh7Q1SEg

— Chris Somerville (@chrisomerville) September 19, 2017

I joined the hot take tsunami this morning, spending 10 minutes talking about Oasis on BBC Radio Nottingham. Turns out that the presenter is a passionate lifelong fan, so I enjoyed taking a broadly contrary stance.

the brotherly feud was entirely confected right? like, it was just a bit of myth-building while they made bad solo records and waited for the brand to be worth something again

Yeah, I touched on that subject on the radio show: a friend of a friend spotted them at a secret Verve show at the 100 Club, a couple of years after the band split, relaxed and enjoying each other's company.

Should be good news for the tribute bands, maybe No Way Sis can reform too? In fact, do tribute acts ever announce big reformations?

I met Paul Gallagher once (useless third brother), he seemed desperate for me to know who he was.

I'm sure they despise each other regularly and will continue to do so.

Bonehead gets some prominent screen time in their official vid, so I guess he's going be doing guest spots. It appears he's the only original member everyone likes

So is there going to be a thread of ILXors going?

Maybe we can maroon them on their own separate board.

Dud

so, who else is going to see Pulp on their latest tour?

Bonehead gets some prominent screen time in their official vid, so I guess he's going be doing guest spots. It appears he's the only original member everyone likes

― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 13:03 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Afaict he's also the only one who's had anything to do with either of them (Liam namely and recently) in the years since.

Kay Burley running amok asking every interviewee if they are Oasis fans

dadness in their eyes

Sadly the best (most annoyongly right) opinion I found

Oasis were a state funded counterinsurgency deployed to reestablish white nationalist cultural hegemony when 90s pop culture dared to drift into multiculturalism for two minutes.

They’re part of the same ensemble as Farage and Tommy, don’t @ me

— Arbeitology (@Arbeit_Fish) August 27, 2024

Well hey at least the state was giving some funding to the arts back then.

Arbeit_Fish

is this some kind of Nazi serial killer joke because um

Politically the guy is an left-wing/anarchist type..

Well hey at least the state was giving some funding to the arts back then.

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Noel and Liam, filling out forms for an Arts Council grant!

Funny how this reunion has happened not long after Noel Gallagher announced his latest divorce. Ian Brown did a similar thing getting The Stone Roses back together after a costly divorce a decade ago.

give it guigsy to the end of the reunion

― katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 August 2024 16:00 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

the only good post in this thread

the rest of ye have the whole of ilm to be ilmy in, why not fuck off there and idk poll radiohead political stances or something

the difference in the amount of cultural baggage attached to oasis in the uk vs the us is such a vast gulf

i should make clear im trying to start a proper 1996 feud here

blur threads next

pulp are alright i guess

wake me when suede announce they're doing a tour where they play the first disc of sci-fi lullabies front to back

they should kick off the first comeback show with Little James to rev people up

Seeing a few UK twitter posts that are like 'suede reunion plz', which is funny because they were overtaken quite quickly.

Aren't Suede already reformed?

yes that's why i didn't say "reform"

anyway... oasis, notoriously great live band who aren't dead fucks onstage at all, they're back baby

oh i see you were replying to xyz, tom, sorry about that, my brain isn't reading correctly today

Sorry should've checked. Still going with new material since getting back together..

Suede shared top billing with John Major at some Festival of Ideas last year or thereabouts, some laughs on social media about travelling back in time and informing the band of this. Also last spot on an ILX best albums of the year poll some time ago.

anyway... oasis, notoriously great live band who aren't dead fucks onstage at all, they're back baby

― ivy., Tuesday, August 27, 2024 9:41 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah i used to just chuckle at the whole "mega" shit about them at the time seeing bands like fugazi, superchunk, archers, jesus lizard, girls vs boys, jsbx etc - let's see a little hustle out there fellas!! *blows whistle* alright we're gonna run some laps until you guys get this right

I was at a Suede gig a few weeks ago
Was great except She's In Fashion which is still dire

Suede's last album ruled.

I think they should hire Bez to dance on stage.

xp I'm a fan of the first couple of 'new' ones but the last one I wasn't feeling. Might give it another go.

xps well hype aside it was literally a recreation of fairly bland 60s British pop. Funny if Jesus Lizard was the expectation over in the US (Jess, formerly of this parish, tweeted something similar the other day)

It does have that sheen of loud guitars over every non-ballad track which 60's pop does not and which could perhaps trick ppl into thinking it's closer to the stuff matt cited than it is.

When they first appeared on totp reruns I did think "this does sound quite distinctive and not like anything else on the show at the time"; it also sounded boring and shit, to be clear.

Yeah there are some updates (the sheen is v similar to Band of Susans, a NY art rock outfit). 'Attitudes' and fashions are ofc updated but ultimately there wasn't much doubt what this was mining.

Stoked

yeah it wasn't so much like everything had to be jesus lizard it was just the breathless hype then i saw them live on mtv and it was like "oh...ok"

Funny how this reunion has happened not long after Noel Gallagher announced his latest divorce. Ian Brown did a similar thing getting The Stone Roses back together after a costly divorce a decade ago.

― kitchen person, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 14:08 (one hour ago) link

The Replacements as well

Saw elsewhere that a tour itinerary leaked last night or early this morning, was dismissed as fake but the UK/Ireland dates proved true.

These were the North America dates from the previously dismissed as fake itinerary:
24 August 2025: Downsview Park, Toronto, ON
27 August 2025: Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
30 August 2025: MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
2 September 2025: Gilette Stadium, Boston, MA
6 September 2025: Rose Bowl, Los Angeles, CA
11 September 2025: Foro Sol, Mexico City

Maybe I'm way underestimating demand here, but I can't imagine Oasis filling up Soldier Field.

I can see the US east coast having enough dumb assholes with no taste to make two stadium shows viable (NJ and Boston well chosen venues), but yeah, the Midwest might be a tougher market for this garbage barge of lobotomized 90s nostalgia.

I feel like U.S. Oasis fans are less "dumb assholes" than "creative directors nostalgic for their '94 year abroad."

(basically the same audience The Black Keys were banking on)

reative directors nostalgic for their '94 year abroad."

― bratwurst autumn (Eazy), Tuesday, August 27, 2024 12:44 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

honestly i don't even think it's as fancy as all that, it's the same people who are filling up foo fighters, green day, weezer shows, etc...it's just classic rock for people who listen to alt rock radio growing up

or pearl jam etc

^^ otm

Plus millennials really love "Wonderwall"

Also: how much touring did they do in America, and where did they play? It's not the best metric, but I checked setlist.fm for Houston shows, and they played here three times: a club show in '95, and shows in '98 & '06 at a theatre downtown that can hold 3000 or so.

They did a reasonable amount of touring compared to some, but bustups and fuckups did grind a few tours to a halt.

Good chance this could be canceled too.

But the damage has already been done (songs are stuck in my head)

apologies if this was already shared

Liam Gallagher making tea is the best thing you'll see today. As you were. pic.twitter.com/JaAB0p6Qr2

— BBC Three (@bbcthree) September 20, 2017

watching my dog have a shit this morning was a better thing I saw today

Yeah afraid I was not as entertained as promised by BBC3.

i enjoyed it

now i had pretty low expectations going in ...

I hate these cunts. Neil Kulkarni sussed them from the fucking beginning.

Pearl Jam was and is way more interesting than Oasis ever was, sorry.

I hate them too and I'm so tired of hearing about this already, yet here I am posting about it.

I'm all about the peace and love but have for decades had a massive latent desire to punch Liam in the face. I am somewhat acquainted with the singer in Nowaysis so maybe I could come to some arrangement for him to be my surrogate Liam punchbag?

I would go see them with a free ticket. I liked the cokehead insanity of the first What's The Story Morning Glory follow-up single where the video starts out with a helicopter.

Pavement’s “Wonderwall” — We need to bring back mean cover songs pic.twitter.com/AxGp5pkqDT

— Jonah Weiner (@jonahweiner) August 27, 2024

Pearl Jam was and is way more interesting than Oasis ever was, sorry.

brutal if true

(it is true)

Foo Fighters being the most popular ongoing relic of the grunge era and not Pearl Jam is a major indictment of the taste of that generation, but it's also not very surprising.

Oasis reuniting in 2024. i suppose the Hoffman forums are lit lately.

Oasis Live '25 Reunion Tour (and lineup discussion) *
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okay well slightly less traffic than i would have anticipated

Foo Fighters being the most popular ongoing relic of the grunge era and not Pearl Jam is a major indictment of the taste of that generation, but it's also not very surprising.

― omar little, Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:1

Foo Fighters fanbase skews younger than Pearl Jam, it's weird to encounter young people for whom Dave Grohl is the guy from Foo Fighters not Nirvana

that's basically anyone under 40

yeah I'm saying they have way more under 40 and younger fans, so I wouldn't call the FF a Gen X exclusive thing as much as PJ (addressing Omar's point)

It makes sense. Grohl has done so much shit big and small outside of music that cumulatively gets them much more attention - off the top of my head, appearing on popular cooking shows, refusing to license his music to Glee which made some waves, his own TV shows about various things, his book, rickrolling right wing nuts, etc. - while PJ seems to mostly stick with music. I can't say those are good reasons why they're more popular, it just is.

Neil Kulkarni sussed them from the fucking beginning.

Neil's writing at the time on them is absolutely amazing; here's a good seven-minute going in via the Chart Music podcast in recent times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiMnUBFbQJg

Among the eight million reasons I wish he was still around: he would have hated this news but boy would he have had things to say.

LMAO, that was a brutal takedown. The factory-damaged jeans remark remind me of what Iggy Pop told Elvis Costello in another lockdown-era interview:

Iggy Pop: When I heard your music, I felt like you were the only thing coming out of the U.K. that wasn’t going along with the I’m-a-monster-with a-guitar-riff thing. The whole guitar riffage was going up and up and up. You were either that or, no offense to her, you were Lulu...you were either doing schlock or you were doing this thing that every six months was getting more stupid and dull. Being English, you know about this — when you don’t have much money, you save the tea bag for a second squeeze. That’s how rock was getting at that time. You came up with something different.

Neil Kulkarni OTM not only about Oasis but about everything else there.

"a celebration of stupidity and conservatism" is indeed correct. It's very depressing to live in a degenerate country where regressive, ignorant, artless morons like this reforming is considered one of the major events of the year. It was bad enough living through this garbage the first time.

Oasis - sometimes classic
Any and all music criticism - dud

This guy is otm:

If you never liked Oasis, or more daringly, thought they were boring, it is VITALLY important that you tell everyone. This is something that people NEED to know. Crush their joy. Everything must always and forever be about you.

— Ned Hartley (@NedHartley) August 26, 2024

is he fuck, the hatred is much more vital than anything these grim bastards have ever contributed to popular culture.

there has to be some kind of response to the military industrial media onslaught hyping these grim troglodytes (again)

oasis are a societal ill on par with southern water pumping shit into our waterways, of course we should be protesting this

Kulkarni linking them with Tommy Robinson and the reduction of the working class to boorish racist homophobic stereotypes is spot on. Of course none of that matters if you don't actually have to live here.

otm. What happened to cancel culture anyway? is it just because all the racist/homophobic comments they've made over the years are just not blatantly offensive enough.

There is no way I will listen to Pearl Jam as a substitute to Oasis. I want no subs I want this stuff to be burned from the earth.

I have friends who love Oasis and are excited about this reunion, and I'm very much not telling them that Oasis are shit and they shouldn't be excited. But I genuinely cannot stand the group and feel annoyed that I'm going to have to hear about them for the next year. So thank god at least I have this thread to moan about it. Maybe a pro-Oasis thread could be started and I will leave it alone.

funniest thing they could do is have the tour just be liam and noel, no one else

Do the Ian Brown thing where he came out and sang, if you can call it that, over backing tapes. You make much more money that way.

and only play new songs
xpost

Liam and Noel just stood behind two consoles, wearing Tron gear. Bonehead hologram.

Dublin hotel prices for Oasis gigs - 300 euros a night already.

Pearl Jam was and is way more interesting than Oasis ever was, sorry.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

pearl jam sound like shit. theres no more overrated dud vocalist in rock

Maybe a pro-Oasis thread could be started and I will leave it alone.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 08:21 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

genuine question now

why dont you start an anti thread and all ye fuck off to it?

Pretty sure that's what people said to you whenever you posted on ILM

Classic or Dud, and I'm saying dud.

xp i dont post on ilm chief tbf

pearl jam sound like shit. theres no more overrated dud vocalist in rock

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac),

You're saying in a thread about Liam Gallagher?

Liam 'my voice is shot' Gallagher.

id say in on a thread about chrissie hynde!

He used to have a great voice tbf but Eddie Vedder still better. Its just unfortunate that everyone copied them both so they weren't unique anymore.

I saw Oasis 3 times back in the mid 90s, they were great. Don't need to see them again, especially as anything after the 1st album and bsides I have no interest in.

id say in on a thread about chrissie hynde!

Nails on a blackboard voice.

anyway

wouldnt attend gigs, i tend to agree theyll be shite and while what ive heard of liam live was actually better than id have expected considering the state he was in as a live vocalist pretty much immediately after knebworth id still imagine he wont be any better than ian brown was when i paid to see that mess live a decade ago

and no real interest in anything after morning glory anyway

lest i be taken for actually supporting the effort here, like

id guess that was at the concert for manchester? he wasnt too bad then, no idea now

why dont you start an anti thread and all ye fuck off to it?

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 bookmarkflaglink

No.

fair, also

I was a big fan in '94-96 snd I don't know why I didnt go see them in Cork in '96. I had no interest in seeing them later on, given that they had ceased to be good. Not worth the money or bother to see them this time around either.

Back in about 1997 my dwindling loyalty to buying Melody Maker on a weekly basis finally ebbed to a cinder after trudging through a gig report on the first show of the Oasis tour, in support of their fly-ridden elephant turd of a new album. It was in Scandinavia somewhere as I recall? Anyway the journo was all "thank you kind sirs, glad to be of service for your magnificent new offering and the cash-raking powers thereof". I realised once and for all that the weekly music press had been made completely redundant by the success of these twats and had no useful purpose now that 'alternative' music had become the mainstream.

I do like the idea of Tony Carroll trying to hold his own at a stadium gig though, shame it won't be happening.

oasis are just a kinda frustrating band because they had plenty of moments of brilliance but seemingly had no idea what made the best bits of definitely as good as they are

dreaming of a world in which noel going mad with overdubs on be here now instead produced a siamese dream

I genuinely don't think I realized how much people liked them. They always seemed meh to me musically and just incredibly cheesy in every other way. Idk. Obviously I know all the singles (and am also now angry that they're in my head) but I don't think I realized just how big they were. Maybe it's because at the time I was in the US and now I'm in the UK who knows.

The first Oasis aIbum dropped the exact same summer that the political establishment were pushing through the 1994 Criminal Justice Bill. #justsaying https://t.co/eYGzAdtFk1

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) August 28, 2024

Where's Robin Carmody when you need him?

Much as I hate Oasis can we avoid any mention of Eddie Vedder or Pearl Jam and shite US rawk bands in general. The situation is bad enough

Jesus Lizard were good.

Oasis? I think you mean OH-ARSE-IS

I saw Jesus Lizard in London in '95. Then got run over in Pimlico and miraculously only got a fractured tibia and minor head injuries. It was god's way of warning me that US rock music is bad as well!

Cool story bro

Hooray

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

Simon Price wasn't as caustic about Oasis in the early days. If Oasis killed UK rock, it was only because they got zero pushback from the music press in general

the twitter memeification of Liam as an hilarious character is just so dull. The guy is in his 50's and learned to tone down the racism/homophobia for his posting, but still an ignorant charmless cunt stuck in some ugly persona he adopted in the 90's.

and describing the then Labour leader, Ed Miliband – yes, Ed Miliband – as a “fucking communist” in 2015 and later Jeremy Corbyn in similar terms.

Oasis called Corbyn a fucking communist and Simon Price called him a fucking anti-semite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

fucking hell, did he?

oh yeah, he considered Corbyn an antisemite and posted this more than a few times iirc

Poor old Corbz, to quote yet another Mancunian, shot by both sides.

Old Lab pensioner showing 'cool', young(er) people (usually blokes) they have nothing in their heads.

think you might have mixed him up with someone else? he was pretty consistently pro-Corbyn and the only thing I could find relating to anti-semitism was this:

Essentially...

Hodge: "Acknowledge that there's been a problem with the handling of anti-semitism complaints. ACKNOWLEDGE!"
Corbyn: "I acknowledge that, and here's what I plan to do..."
Hodge: "OH MY GOD! SO YOU ADMIT IT! I'M TAKING THE TAPE TO THE PAPERS!"

The state of her.

— Simon Price﮷ (@simon_price01) April 14, 2019

yeah simon price has always been one of the good guys afaia

shit, I'm mixing him up with another music hack.. apologies Simon

bennun perhaps?

I was about to say, I don't remember THAT. (Simon and I have been FB friends for a while and we met up in 2018, so call me biased but yeah...that would have been out of character!)

could be.. I just remember seeing some performatively left-wing music journo calling him an antisemite and my brain turned him into Simon Price

take your pick tbh

I loved the Kulkarni clip but refuse to listen to that podcast as one of the other regularish contributors is an abuser, or at least has been an abuser, cannot write any details on a public forum but it seems to be an open secret and just do not get why he is still in the gang.

and now people will be speculating on who it is (never heard that story before btw so cant be that much of an open secret) and it will be unfair on them.

Kulkarni is funny but it felt like flogging the point. Maybe that's just me and podcasts. The tweet does it briefly and better.

xp sure, of course, but what's the alternative, I just ignore it?

Kulkarni is funny but it felt like flogging the point. Maybe that's just me and podcasts. The tweet does it briefly and better.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 16:36 (forty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah I find that podcast err a bit joyless to listen to personally, regardless of who's on it. It's just a me and podcasts thing.

The guy who hosts that podcast is an old mate of mine from Nottingham days - we still see each other from time to time - and he has a strong moral compass, so that open secret thing above has weirded me out. I've been listening devotedly for years, love it dearly, and it even inspired me to start my own (about which my mate the host has been very supportive).

Most Oasis discourse is flogging the point. Oasis themselves are about flogging the point.

"Let's get flogged."

the best latter-day Def Leppard single

Mike, I will DM you or sth.

Thanks, CAAL.

That Simon Price piece is excellent, BTW. And if you want to hear Kulkarni dishing out another righteous evisceration, this time to The Smiths, it's on the most recent episode of that podcast, all of which is a tribute to Neil; the Smiths rant was actually included at my suggestion, as it happens.

There was a really creepy thing on the Chart Music social media where some lad was joking about pretending to a member of Menswear to get laid, and instead of being weirded out by the implications of uninformed consent they re-posted this lad's comment as if it was "top banter" or whatever, really gave me the ick tbh

(joking about a time that this happened ie he pretended to be in Menswear because it helped him get laid, just to be clear)

My favorite Oasis related memory was back in 1996, when a DJ on the student radio station ran a call-in poll to see who was the better band, Oasis or The Beatles. Naturally the results were something like 61-1 in favor of The Beatles. This was probably 1, 2 in the morning and I decided to call in and pretend I was Liam and started yelling at the DJ about how stupid he and his listeners were. Didn't think my accent was all that great, but he asked me to start the rant over so he could play it on air.

Didn't think my accent was all that great,

Was it better than Daphne's brother in Frasier?

as for Oasis themselves: I was 7 in 1995 and we were very much an Oasis household so how much of my residual tolerance for them is simply nostalgia is hard to disentangle, I like noisy textures but the sneering and the empty lyrics are so devoid of value. I'd love to live in the alternate timeline suggested that if Britpop hadn't happened then we'd have been living in a multicultural musical climate in the UK, but I'm not sure if Oasis were really a cause so much as a symptom. It's amazing to me though that they're so lauded by certain corners when they've released seven albums and only two of them are really taken seriously. It's not like they're going to come out on stage and launch into "The Hindu Times."

xp - arguably, iirc.

It's not like they're going to come out on stage and launch into "The Hindu Times."

― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 18:37 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hah i wish

perhaps along among ilxors i have wondered which 00s songs will get played. the heathen chemistry singles felt BIG to me at the time, as big as any of the coldplay rush of blood ones.

alone among

"The Importance of Being Idle" is probably the most beloved post-Morning Glory tune

My favorite Oasis related memory was back in 1996, when a DJ on the student radio station ran a call-in poll to see who was the better band, Oasis or The Beatles. Naturally the results were something like 61-1 in favor of The Beatles. This was probably 1, 2 in the morning and I decided to call in and pretend I was Liam and started yelling at the DJ about how stupid he and his listeners were. Didn't think my accent was all that great, but he asked me to start the rant over so he could play it on air.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, August 28, 2024 6:34 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

great story!!!

stand by me or songbird id have said xp

personally id be going dyou know what i mean, i think

DM/(WTS)MG Era - 9 top 40 hits, including 7 top 10s, 2 number ones
After (WTS)MG - 17 top 40 hits, including 16 top 10s, 6 number ones

I feel like 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' is the only post-90s Oasis track I hear being played anywhere these days, the others all seem to have left no trace, even the ones that were straight in at number 1?

Songbird won't be played because it's about Nicole. Maybe I'm Outta Time or some other lesser Liam song to preserve the democracy.

Being Idle had a long shelf life but it's probably been a good while since I last heard it around. Little by Little is done incessantly by someone at karaoke so I assume that one has kept its legs.

Most of the twentysomethings I know in the music-writing biz seem to love Oasis and also seem to maybe have a totally inaccurate idea of how popular they were in America? One top 40 hit, only one other top 100 hit, a lot of MTV play for a couple of years but basically nothing after Be Here Now's bomb of a release. R.E.M. were objectively far more popular in the states and yet their reputation has receded so much whereas Oasis are treated like one of the biggest bands of all time and not just in one particular country (and maybe its [more recent] former colonies, I dunno what the commonwealth rocks, dude.)

My coworkers partner conducted their first ever TV interview and introduced them at their biggest ever gig so obviously I had to ask her what he thought. No interest and too expensive lol.

A few weeks ago I learnt Oasis were 771 copies away from a US No. 1 album

What beat them?

That left it 770 copies short of the total sold by Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs’ “No Way Out.”

My coworkers partner conducted their first ever TV interview and introduced them at their biggest ever gig so obviously I had to ask her what he thought.

Man, who is this? (Or can it be said?)

In re the 770 thing: yeah that was pure AC/DC effect, Be Here Now did indeed almost get a number one spot out of the gate (and then immediately receded thereafter).

had no idea they lasted until almost 2010, thought they were done before the heyday of the Libertines

That left it 770 copies short of the total sold by Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs’ “No Way Out.”

Oh dear.

I wish Wiki included Oasis' American Mainstream/Modern Rock chart rankings in their singles discography info, because those Hot 100 entries definitely don't tell the whole story about their stateside popularity.

Ned - initials GC but will message you on FB :).

https://www.popradiotop20.com/Modern-Rock/Oasis.htm

Thanks!

There are three Oasis songs which I love, albeit subjectively.

1) Live Forever. In 1995, I took a dodgy pill at Pacha in Ibiza and had a shit night, until right at the end when the cloud lifted and the "good" stuff kicked in. That's when they put on "Live Forever", as people were starting to leave. I had a major moment.

2) Don't Look Back In Anger. My stepmother's name was Sally, and we had a tricky relationship, resolved in later years. When that came on the radio afer she died in 1999, I bawled my eyes out. Cathartic.

3) She's Electric. The only Oasis track I can think of which contravenes Simon Price's rightful charge of sluggish sludginess. Young people love it when I play it out, and I associate it with uncomplicated good times.

Oasis fans seem to really love "Gas Panic!" I doubt Noel even realises it would go down a storm.

the reduction of the working class to boorish racist homophobic stereotypes

it's a good thing pretentious prog's been vilified since 1977!

Uh what's that got to do with anything?

She's Electric

Its a funkadelic ripoff

The Libertines >>>>>>>>>>>> Oasis

No

hell yeah

lol alfred why do you keep dampening the oasis hate here by mentioning other terrible bands

I would accept that despite being incapable of identifying anything The Libertines have ever recorded

Well, that could be a vote in their favour I suppose

I'm forgetting what the UK critical consensus was in 2002, but your American cousins gave the Libs pretty good reviews. Still play the first two albums whereas I sold the first two Oasis things decades ago.

1st Oasis album was great. Like other posters I don't remember a single thing about their music (much like later Oasis)

3) She's Electric. The only Oasis track I can think of which contravenes Simon Price's rightful charge of sluggish sludginess. Young people love it when I play it out, and I associate it with uncomplicated good times.

― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 20:03 (one hour ago)

"Uncomplicated good times" - this is what I love about those early albums

Re: The Libertines

"Cant Stand Me Now" was good but the rest is totally unmemorable

What's the Funkadelic song that "She's Electric" rips off?

"Little by Little" bears a lot of resemblance to REO Speedwagon's "Take it on the run" imo. Which makes sense as he said the first album he ever bought was a REO Speedwagon one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCUbUUKwgu4

lol no

1) it's highly doubtful anyone in Oasis has ever heard a Funkadelic album, 2) No Compute follows a pretty simple 24-bar blues structure, She's Electric does not, 3) She's Electric has a chorus, 4) the real obvious quote is the Beatles nick at the end

sorry, not 24 its just an 8-bar phrase

the chord structures are not the same at all

Also they quote both "While My Guitar Gentle Weeps" and "Wonderboy" by the Kinks in the bridge.

"it's highly doubtful anyone in Oasis has ever heard a Funkadelic album"

I think you might be white there

Columbia and Slide Away are the tops for me, I think the latter is my favorite Liam Gallagher performance.

now you're just making stuff up, No Compute doesn't even have a bridge, it never deviates from the basic progression. (Not that I would put it past Hazel to quote the Beatles)

xxp

oh you meant in She's Electric, I don't really hear those quotes but whatever sure

would rather listen to creed than oasis

i can never follow any uk politics stuff so this is the first time i've felt real sympathy for uk ilxors in a while. for me it'll pretty much be ignoring this thread and skipping past the occasional mention on facebook.

What is the US version of Oasis? Matchbox 20? Collective Soul or something?

None of those acts had Oasis' album and singles success.

Foo Fighters

I seem to recall Chuck Klosterman thought the US Oasis was Skynnrd.

greta van fleet

Black Crowes

if Pearl Jam has broken up instead of touring consistently I would expect the mania would be similar in the US

I think you're right

The other bands mentioned weren't big enough.

Also Alfred otm. I saw a v cute video of Pete today being asked about his views on oasis when was like 17. I can't rememvwr what he said but he quoted u eco.

Thanks tho Omar. Gonna have Shine a light in my head for the next week.

it's highly doubtful anyone in Oasis has ever heard a Funkadelic album

Noel Gallagher on his song, "The Right Stuff".

"That started with a previous project I did with Amorphous Androgynous that’s never come out. It was gonna be a B-side until the song developed over a couple of days when I suddenly thought “this is fucking amazing, we’ve gotta put this on the album” and drafted in a sax player. The guitars remind me a bit of Funkadelic, you know, that Maggot Brain guitar solo. And obviously there’s these discordant Sun Ra jazz things in there, and it’s got a melody and it’s great. I’m glad you like it."

Obviously the guy's a dick but that doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't listened to some good music every now and then.

it really has to be PJ, because it has to be tied to the 90s, rock's last period of mainstream, wide culture success with a new musical movement, and it has to be tied to the defining movement of that period (grunge here, Britpop there) . and it has to be a band that was huge at the time, and it has to be the most classic rock oriented/dad friendly version of said movement. PJ meets all the same criteria as Oasis.

lol ok well in that case I blame Richard Ashcroft

xp

I mean he's recorded with the Chemical Brothers and Goldie, he's not Rick Parfitt.

and now yes I notice the "I see you and you see me" from "Wonderboy" is similar to the "I'll be you and you'll be me" line in "She's Electric" good call on that one. Still, "No Compute"... I don't hear it.

Thanks tho Omar. Gonna have Shine a light in my head for the next week.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB)

My fault, sorry, i'm just glad it's not "december"

cokehead musicians can become quite adept at talking pretentious bullshit imo and making highfalutin illusions to what influenced them. the words mean nothing when you measure them next to the garbage music they made

sorry meant allusions

As the entire recorded output of Bobby Gillespie proves only too well.

Rick Parfitt's worked with Scooter! In a sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DTm_bWEjs

Do we reckon the phrase "Don't Look Back In Anger" is nicked from John Osborne's play, the film version with Richard Burton, or the Bowie song? Have been assuming the Bowie, but still odd to think of Noel listening to Lodger.

my guess is he internalised these lines and phrases he read from the music press in the 80's and reused them without any context or thought. Not saying this would be bad practise, but just that in this case it sucked shit.

even many Smash Hits reviews were brainy and full of cross cultural references back then. it was a confusing period for Noel.

those first two suede albums and the singles that went with them slay oasis for me. oasis wish! so much better.

They incorrectly quoted Isaac Newton for an album title

>those first two suede albums and the singles that went with them slay oasis for me. oasis wish! so much better.

Yeah with Oasis I can't get over that initial reaction of "really, is THIS what you're all losing your shit over?"

i think you have to be a tosser/geezer/punter or whatever to really get it.

i know a guy where i live who still has that haircut because he is such a fan. so weird.

What is the US version of Oasis? Matchbox 20? Collective Soul or something?

Would have to be an act that so represented the state of the nation they were invited to the White House, in the way Oasis were (probably reluctantly on Blair's part) admitted to 10 Downing St. Would that be John Denver?

i don't want to hear a bunch of bullshit about this when it's Pearl Jam

no one gives a fuck about Collective Soul, Pearl Jam still regularly sells out basketball and hockey arenas

pearl jams government moment would be the Ticketmaster hearings, but they are actually good dudes not dickheads like Oasis

Black Crowes were huge, throwbacks, and hateful terrible brothers, just saying.

they weren't even close to the level of Pearl Jam and I was there, please

there is zero way they are selling out a 20,000 k venue now which Pearl Jam just did in my city

also the thing is it's not being a throwback it's about being part of the new thing but classic friendly

Noel decided to drop the equipment used in the three previous albums and instead buy "loads of really weird pedals, old guitars, and small amps" as the lack of a deadline on the album allowed him to "take quite a few days just messing around" and experiment with new musical landscapes.[6]

Oasis & the Crowds toured together: Yes, or did I hallucinate that?

I think Creed is a more apt comparison (big, loud, relentlessly self-mythologizing, popular with idiots), but what makes the Pearl Jam analogy work is media complicity. The press hated Creed.

The Black Crowes had a Billboard #1 album and multiple #1 singles.

maybe the Black Crowes do kinda line up...two hit albums followed by an off-putting third. The Crowes doing a Stonesy thing vs Oasis doing the Beatles.

PJ were even bigger but the Black Crowes were a legitimately huge band. It’s splitting hairs on that point.

so dumb

pearl jam ended up being good though, or at least not conservative chauvinist blowhards. they were definitely classic rock but not nationalistic about it. the neil young obsession especially felt kind of expansive and inspired. idk maybe i'm being too generous. they were definitely bloated and heavy at their worst. oasis were so constipated and self-serious about their uk rock heritage. their vibe is more like dumb billy joel to me idk. though now that i think about it, yeah, pearl jam are actually a pretty good analog, i just like pj and hate oasis haha.

10 sold 13 million, Vs and Virology sold 7 million

Shake Your Money Maker sold 5
Southern Harmony sold 2 million

this is not comparable

Both are huge. Black Crowes are still touring 8-10k places despite being uncool now.

Pearl Jam were bigger but otherwise the Black Crowes line up better with Oasis - style, vibe, career and personal arcs.

And yes, they toured together.

black crowes were more of a southern us thing yeah? they definitely weren't big in my neck of the woods.

the british black crowes: reef. and they have a no. 1 album too.

no i'm just kidding not even the black crowes deserve that

it's obvious. Bush are the U.S. Oasis. :)

I can't think of an American equivalent. Oasis scored massive albums and singles in the UK. Black Crowes sold albums in America but have no #1 singles or even top tens.

US Rock bands generally weren't so tabloid-y.

only the uk could sniff its own ass with such gusto

Guns n' Roses would be an acceptable substitute

but please don't waste our precious time with Black Crowes bullshit, they were never close being the biggest band in America

GNR might be the closest equivalent, but their peak was short-lived and they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots.

was their peak any shorter than Oasis?

also no Oasis album is even close to Appetite

"they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots."

they got so much ink! they were all over papers and magazines.

and all their extra-musical tabloid stuff was constant for years too.

Pearl Jam wasn’t the biggest band in the US either? They were second banana to Nirvana in their own scene, Metallica were bigger for the ‘90s overall.

Pearl Jam's US sales over 91-93 were bigger than Nirvana's

they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots

i think this is an important point. often I'm bewildered by UK reactions to various things (music, but also societal shit) and it always comes back to press and how it's portraying the importance of stuff. the US didn't have that, at least for music, in those years. I can see having the music press shove something in your face over and over again telling you it's fooking brilliant all the time would rouse a reaction.

PJ were for a minute the biggest band in the US.

PJ still sell out stadiums in the US.

or, I guess arenas.

a forgettable biggest band. even though they still exist. still forgettable.

no offense to pj fans. god bless you. its kinda like phish at this point.

I went to college in rural Minnesota in the early 90s it was Pearl Jam mania. No one was listening to Black Crowes.

People liked Nirvana but Pearl Jam dominated the dorms and people’s brain space.

boring where did you go to school?

Boring U.

listening to pearl jam in rural minnesota in the early 90s sounds...bleak.

C + C Music Factory was the way to go. Black Box. Snap!

you're bleak!

yeah sure i was having a ball listening to the future! not some musty dusty black & white yowl rock.

https://media.apoplife.nl/en/2021/08/Army-Of-Lovers-1991.jpg

i'm lying. i totally bought a big head todd & the monsters record....

maybe we were having fun in the Midwest and you were clinically depressed listening to Sun City Girls in Connecticut or some shit

i actually bought the second pearl jam record because it was like five bucks on vinyl new. nobody was buying vinyl. i played it once. not my kinda thing. that year i was all about exile in guyville/suede/very/red house painters/heartwork. in connecticut! i moved back there from philly because i was so depressed. then after a couple of years i moved back to philly.

I wasn't the one who started talking shit about where you come from.

feel free to though. connecticut blows.

it just sounded snowy and dark. i'm sure minnesota is lovely though!

everyone huddled around the dorm cd player in their flannel. letting the grunge warm them up on cold nights.

w.m.a. on said second pearl jam album has more in common with good madchester (the can-loving stuff) than the oasis

xpost skot please don't condescend to me or where I grew up, thanks. again, I didn't start any shit with you.

or, I guess arenas.

Pearl Jam is playing two shows at Wrigley Field this weekend (capacity ~41,000).

And two at Fenway Park in two weeks (capacity ~37,000).

Goo Goo Dolls, if they'd broken up, were my first thought.

sorry i didn't know where you grew up i wasn't directing that at you just listening to pearl jam in the early 90s sounded dullsville to me not so much the place although i do think of snowy cold winters when i think of minnesota. and pearl jam are boring. and it was out there in the rural! but i do apologize. it won't happen again. i forget sometimes that people like where they grew up.

xxxpost

"and you were clinically depressed"

also i have suffered from depression most of my life. for the record. and i didn't even need pearl jam to get like that. but you can make fun of it. i don't care. you probably didn't know that about me! we don't always know everything about everyone.

it's cool, sorry that was a low blow on my part

lads

Lads lads.

Wish I was listening to Sun City Girls more than most of the nonsense I was back in the mid 90s, but you got to make your mistakes!

it's highly doubtful anyone in Oasis has ever heard a Funkadelic album

Noel Gallagher on his song, "The Right Stuff".

"That started with a previous project I did with Amorphous Androgynous that’s never come out. It was gonna be a B-side until the song developed over a couple of days when I suddenly thought “this is fucking amazing, we’ve gotta put this on the album” and drafted in a sax player. The guitars remind me a bit of Funkadelic, you know, that Maggot Brain guitar solo. And obviously there’s these discordant Sun Ra jazz things in there, and it’s got a melody and it’s great. I’m glad you like it."

― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Given that Oasis were on creation records, they loved Stone Roses, came from that period in Manchester etc. they would've been open to quite a lot of stuff. Of course they heard Funkadelic, but it wouldn't have cone through in their music, partly because they weren't good enough or were that obsessed with it.

And the stuff they were good at caught a wave that ppl bought into, sold lots of records, turned them into 'rock star' dickheads blah blah.

They incorrectly quoted Isaac Newton for an album title

Noel diagnosed himself as dyslexic when questioned on this fwiw

the most frustrating thing about his regression to perma-kayfabe (apart from scrapping the FSOL/AA LP) was going in a decade from enthusing to a music mag that the first two Hip Hop Don’t Stop comps were two of the best 5 albums of the year, to whinging from his mansion that Jay-Z shouldn’t be allowed to play Glastonbury

They incorrectly quoted Isaac Newton for an album title

Noel diagnosed himself as dyslexic when questioned on this fwiw

the most frustrating thing about his regression to perma-kayfabe (apart from scrapping the FSOL/AA LP) was going in a decade from enthusing to a music mag that the first two Hip Hop Don’t Stop comps were two of the best 5 albums of the year, to whinging from his mansion that Jay-Z shouldn’t be allowed to play Glastonbury

Pearl Jam could play their instruments and experimented quite a lot with style and genre following Ten. Oasis rarely swayed away from the formula, even when they were trying to get creative.
PJ were practically an art band compared to Oasis. And no. I don't think they hit the mainstream zeitgeist the same way, even in the US.

Their most entertaining single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWU2ZQjQI-s

was their peak any shorter than Oasis?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

Did you refer to their American or UK peak? Because...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_discography

Four days in a row now Oasis are mentioned in the main Radio 4 news bulletin, this time because they added some extra dates. Inescapable.

Radio 4 - mad for it

UMS I went to St. Olaf. NB at that time I was into Happy Mondays, 808 State, and anything WaxTrax! I never owned a PJ album, didn’t have to, everyone else was playing it.

And Husker Du!

So here’s some grist for the mill from writer Anna Doble about young women around the world who are hyped fans for the reunion and I really do suggest giving this a read in full.

https://thequietus.com/interviews/oasis-reformed-female-fan-army/

i wish this was their new remakae of wonder wall

https://www.udio.com/songs/q7UCexM1R748cuf7XnjCrn

xp thanks, that was a good read, very directly comparable to what's happened in the Pulp fan community since the reunion last year, loads of new young fans, mostly seem to be really sound people, mainly congregate on Twitter.

OTOH there's still people like this guy

Imagine waiting 15 years for Oasis to reform only to lose out on tickets to Chloe, 21 from Stockport who just wants to hear Wonderwall live. #oasisreunion

— Billy Corcoran (@BillyCorcoran) August 26, 2024

Imagine hating women so much you have to invent them whole cloth just to hate them more.

They haven’t even been broken up that long.

So Morrissey’s claim that he accepted an offer for a Smiths reunion but Marr didn’t: true, or just him wanting attention?

I think he (Morrissey) is getting desperate. He apparently has two completed records that no label wants to touch and he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything, so I tend to think both are true. He's desperate enough to ask but also anticipated Marr saying no, but he could still milk a new press cycle out of it.

he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything

Somebody obviously hasn't heard about Band Kampf.

lol

i'm sure it was presented to Marr in a way that made it very easy to say no — like "Morrissey will have veto power over everything, you will be an employee of Morrissey."

he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything

this has the ring of truth to me -- he's a guy for whom the idea of being supported by the right people/imprints is imports (see: his desire to have his autobiography published by Penguin Classics if you please so it'll look like the books he treasured as a young man), and also, he's a guy who likes to throw blame around & you can't do that as easily when you self release

xp With Andy Rourke gone and Mike Joyce persona non grata to Morrissey and Marr, I've kind of accepted that I missed my chance to see the Smiths. (I saw the 'Mats reunion in 2014 and as great as it was, it's really a different thing for me than a full-on Replacements show.)

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

i'm sure it was presented to Marr in a way that made it very easy to say no — like "Morrissey will have veto power over everything, you will be an employee of Morrissey."

or “you will have to work with Morrissey”

lol xp

haha i guess so

the videos I've seen of Marr singing Smiths songs have been very good, no reason to give Morrissey a dime at this point

It's kind of rich to see some Marr-hating Morrissey fans dump on Marr for playing small venues while Morrissey is allegedly selling out large ones...tbf he has sold out some larger shows, but when Morrissey did his United Palace residency here in NYC, they had to give away TONS of tickets just to get a decent-sized audience to show up. When fans signed up for some online giveaways, pretty much everyone "won" a pair of tickets, so much that many wound up with a lot of extra tickets due to multiple entries.

I assume Morrissey already performs multiple Smiths songs live. I mean, if I buy a ticket to see Udo Dirkschneider’s solo band, I’ll be expecting to hear “Balls to the Wall” as the encore.

Looking at setlist, it can be a crapshoot. At his last Forest Hills show, just one Smiths song, but at the United Palace residency it was six (pretty much the same setlist each night).

...plus he covered "Balls to the Wall" for the Udo fans

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr has dismissed talk of a reunion of his former band by using a picture of Reform UK leader Nigel Farage.
Replying to a fan suggestion on X that the 80s indie rock legends could follow Oasis's example and get back together, Marr posted a picture of the Clacton MP.

this has the ring of truth to me -- he's a guy for whom the idea of being supported by the right people/imprints is imports (see: his desire to have his autobiography published by Penguin Classics if you please so it'll look like the books he treasured as a young man), and also, he's a guy who likes to throw blame around & you can't do that as easily when you self release

I can't get into it too much out of respect for someone close to me who has long since passed, but she was a Moz hyperfan known to the inner circle (I mean this very positively; he knew and deeply appreciated it and her, saying so after her death in a way that expressed humility and perspective rather than arrogance, and it's the one sole 'you did right' feeling I have for him at this point as a person), but she would agree with this assessment. She specifically brought up the no-self-release option to me a couple of times during the long gap between Maladjusted and You Are The Quarry as to why nothing had emerged in those years, and it wasn't writers block by any means.

the no-self-release option

AKA the downside of celibacy

of all the possible places the oasis thread has and might have taken the past few days as ilmers worked through their schoolyard resentment and straight up snobbishness, i think this is the worst

Without Johnny Marr there'd be no Oasis, seems like a fair diversion

Tbf deems it's been in the news so unavoidable

this thread is like a desert in the oasis of current music discourse

Feile festival 95 in Cork - Oasis were getting huge not supernova huge and they weren't playing that year but I was in the stadium anyway absolutely fucked after 2 flagons of Linden Village at about 2 pm and I spot some guy walking with a huge bunch of lads around him and he's in this white fabric suit like a Bruce Lee karate suit, shades and Weller cut doing the monkey walk. It's fucking Liam Gallagher! I'm wearing an Oasis t shirt and everything. I put out my hand for a high five and give a hearty A BOY LIAM! and he slaps my hand away petulanty

I dunno I'd it was him or just some cunt pretending to be him

xp

lol, stop it dmac. Your own deep cultural analysis of why some people loath the Oasis project and make connections with it's lineage from everything that makes the UK a grey, racist, vile right-wing hellhole, well that never goes beyond the schoolyard. You either accuse people of being being snobbish or jealous of their success, schoolboy tory level discourse and fucking laughable to boot!

xp think we can chalk this one down to cocaine

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Not possible, not probable, certain.

A Mayo man would never make such a statement, calzino

Coincidentally read this and some interesting matter re: working class rock and what it was.

https://thequietus.com/opinion-and-essays/anniversary/the-minutemen-double-nickels-on-the-dime-review/

And you know its talking about some actually great music. Not just a few ok songs here and there.

I was almost trying not to say anything in detail this whole week but 1) being honest with myself I knew I couldn't avoid it and 2) I realized that there was a much better framing for me given why I had to be honest with myself, and that's talking technology. So, part one of two:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/look-back-part-1-111028261

"Four days in a row now Oasis are mentioned in the main Radio 4 news bulletin"

Thought For The Day this morning followed up by that cunt from UK Music talking about how great it is for projecting UK music onto the world because ticket gouging is going on, interspersed with clips of their vile music.

This is an ok point though I am trying to imagine Liam fronting Band of Susans and my head hurts

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty https://t.co/9mgnDwFxyQ

— Samplo Corvodina (@TreborRhurbarb) August 30, 2024

I like TB but for me that is a hackneyed rockism take too far for my liking.

xxp Radio 4 - for the working class.

well-produced? definitely maybe has a decent enough shoegaze-lite sound but it's all downhill from there

i still say that their last album was one of their best.
some of the versions on the boxset extra cd are so much better than their usual thing i.e. Jagz Kooner/Death In Vegas on production/remix duties.

this is the only gig i'm excited for

If you can't get tickets for Oasis no need to worry as we have booked Oasigue, the UK's premier Oasis/Sigue Sigue Sputnik tribute act, to perform two lives shows in our Clubhouse next summer to coincide with the Manchester band's soon-to-be sold out Wembley shows on 25/26th July. pic.twitter.com/7DMlhF0UOY

— Streatham Rovers Football Club (@StreathamRovers) August 28, 2024

ffs all the guy does is stand rooted to the spot hugging the microphone

vg+

Oasis pub rock? that's either hilarious or I don't really understand what pub rock is.

What do you think it is?

it always seems like an insult to Dr. Feelgood, Kilburn and the High-Roads etc when people call Oasis 'pub rock', I associate pub rock with this tight, clipped dynamic proto-new wave style that's almost the opposite of Oasis's smeary plodding style

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty

wasn't this Mark E Smith's take on Oasis, I think I remember him saying that he thought it was odd that Liam seemed to have some sort of inferiority complex wrt to Noel, even though Liam was responsible for 90% of what made them notable (distinctive voice, star power) and Noel just wrote some tepid Beatles pastiches that thousands of other people could also have written

Pls, if you want some “variety”, play Liam’s written/sang songs from the last two albums, then compare to Noel’s

right, like Brinsley Schwartz, Dr Feelgood, Ducks Deluxe. I don't consider that style a going concern, I guess more commonly people say pub rock to just mean what's heard at the pub?

Well, it's meant to mean dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk. Odd that nearly 50 years later are still using it as a pejorative.

that is odd and interesting and thanks for the context I was lacking

Unlike apparently pretty much everyone else around here, I actually do like Oasis beyond the first two albums and thought to have a go at getting tickets, mainly because one of my best friends is a superfan and I was hoping to help him get his hands on tickets and join him. But the demand is insane. I've had a window open for over three hours simply trying to access the Ticketmaster website, looking at the message "You’re in a Queue - Many fans are currently using our site, so you have been placed in a queue. When it’s your turn, you will automatically be able to browse events and shop for tickets. Thank you for your patience.".
This is even before logging in or selecting a specific date!

Some other friends had the same experience, some got through and were looking at ridiculously long queues for concerts. There's a news item on the BBC site which says that there were over a million users in line for dates at Wembley.
At least my superfan friend had another friend who managed to get him tickets for one of the shows, and I didn't necessarily need to go myself.

Sounds like when I was trying to get someone tickets for Kate Bush when she played that run of gigs, my attempts were ultimately unsuccessful btw.

dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk

Strangely enough most 70s pub rock I've heard seems more like country rock, not the 12-bar blues stuff you'd expect. Dire Straits grew out of that scene, the guitar playing especially is more Allmans than Clapton. Not sure there's much Dickey Betts in Noel Gallagher's axework tbh.

Not even halfway through a queue to get into the website and my mum is suggesting to ring Wembley and ask for tickets ‘like she did for Knebworth’. About to explode

— Josh (@joshstubbs___) August 31, 2024

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

Yeah I guess. Difference between Kraftwerk and Oasis I suppose.

[write essay about how modern teenagers do not usually rebel against their parents' generation by choosing different music but this very much does not mean they are interested in copying their patents culture for a variety of interesting reasons, and put it here later]

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, August 31, 2024

Probably, especially if my folks had seen, say, Sonny Rollins or Fleetwood Mac.

The very concept of a band is now something your parents saw, it's fine.

I'm not avoiding Godard films because my dad saw them or not reading Cocteau because my mum did either (cue more's the pity jokes).

for the record, this band was the alpha and omega of pub rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmon7Lo5bXE

Lol at Ticketmaster increasing the prices to £360 for standing using their 'dynamic pricing' policy

'Dynamic pricing' one of the more pernicious concepts of late-stage capitalism, along with Britpop

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

― mark e, Saturday, August 31, 2024 12:30 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Our Alice was highly impressed when we told her we'd seen the Ramones, live, bitd

Obviously, she's not going to, but hey

My mom saw Jimi Hendrix. I’d totally see him whenever he decides to tour again.

I saw Kraftwerk at Sheffield City Hall in '90 . I've never really been a regular gig goer. But that was the first time I had that wow that really is them feeling. Not felt since I saw the pope at York racetrack 10 years earlier

Did he win?

he certainly didn't win me over, shit trip, hot day with no refreshments or decent snacks, couldn't understand fuck all he said. But the lad was iconic!

My mum would have loved to have seen Oasis. Pretty sure the only reason she never saw them is because my dad had no time for them.

But it's okay because we all went and saw, idk, UB40

the only gig I went to with my parents was The Dubliners at Bradford Alhambra. A young colleen in historical Irish dress presented the band with a basket of goose eggs at the start of the "gig". Things you won't see after paying a grand to stand up at Wembley to watch some vapid old millionaires with dried up balls MAKE SOME MORE MONEY

My mom and I went to Neil Young’s 1991 tour (the one with Sonic Youth).

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

I saw Andrew Cyrille and Gary Bartz back-to-back a few weeks ago - both are in their mid-80s and I had never seen either before. Even if my parents or grandparents had seen them as fans back in the day, it would've been damn foolish to pass on the opportunity.

xp yes but maybe you wouldn't want to see then way past their peak..

I mean, even Kraftwerk...that last tour or whatever.

i think, and i hate to think seriously in this thread but hey, that the notion of "peak" only kinda vaguely applies to some artists and isn't a thing to worry about anyway, and also that there are different reasons why people go to see gigs and while "just to see somebody i like, whatever the actual quality of their performance" is not a reason i would personally pay stupid money for everybody is different so in a way godspeed, Oasis concert-goers, enjoy yourselves, just please tell the broadcast media to stfu about this non-story kthx

"ew, my parents like that band" was already on its way out in the millenial generation and afaict is 100% no longer a thing for today's kids, they have other mediums to alienate the olds with

Skibidi Toilet is far more effective for that.

what's the non-story morning glory