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Barbe to lead UGA's music business program

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Musician David Barbe has been chosen as interim director of the Music Business Program at the University of Georgia. He will start work immediately.

Barbe will replace Bruce Burch, the program’s founding co-director who last month took his top assistant and a fundraiser to start a similar program at Kennesaw State University.

Barbe will teach the two basic courses of the certificate program, called Music Business I and II, and he will administer the program, including hiring an assistant director, UGA administrators said Monday.

The responsibility for overseeing fundraising for the program will be absorbed through the college’s existing staff.

Barbe came to Athens in 1981 to attend UGA as a journalism student and on the side joined several bands, including Mercyland and Buzz Hungry. In the early 1990s, he co-founded the band Sugar, which recorded four albums.

In 1997, he teamed up with Andy LeMaster and Andy Baker to open Chase Park Transduction and currently serves as co-owner, president and chief engineer of the full-service recording studio.

Since opening Chase Park, Barbe has worked as a producer, engineer, writer and musician on hundreds of recording projects with artists like Drive-By Truckers, The Glands, Amy Ray, k.d. lang and R.E.M.

Jointly sponsored by the Terry College of Business and the Hugh Hodgson School of Music, the program prepares students for jobs in the music business — sometimes by giving music students a background in business, and other times by providing business students some basic music knowledge.

Nearly 90 students are enrolled in the 21-credit certificate program.

Barbe came highly recommended from past UGA faculty members and alumni and already had some knowledge of the program as a guest lecturer, said business school Dean Robert T. Sumichrast.

“Pretty quickly, we were able to determine that David Barbe was the best choice because of his existing association with our program,” Sumichrast said. “He had been a guest lecturer for us in the past, so we already knew some of the reaction from the students about his teaching style, and we already knew about his connection to the Athens music scene.”

The business college will conduct a national search for a permanent director, and Barbe will be among the candidates, Sumichrast said.

“I expect we will have a search in the spring semester, and we will name someone permanent director, and I think that David is certainly a very strong candidate for that,” he said.

Leaving for Kennesaw State with Burch are Keith Perissi, program director; and Heather Malcom, a development officer at UGA.

Burch’s resignation with UGA takes effect Aug. 9, but Barbe will begin work immediately, Sumichrast said.

Who wants to enroll for a semester or two?

Good for him. As long as it keeps him from singing shit like "Company Book", it's a great hire.

this band still rules! jamming copper blue for the first time in years. epic shit.

great record. I have a signed copy, my retirement nest egg!

Copper Blue is one of my favorite albums ever.

Beaster!!!!

hey bill magill, 'company book' was a clunker but i loved 'where diamonds are halos'

Copper Blue is one of my favorite albums ever.

― NYCNative, Friday, March 4, 2011 2:39 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

Seconded.

"Copper Blue" and "Beaster" remain in many ways the apotheosis of what Mould was always after, even if his Husker stuff remains my sentimental favorite. But boy did Sugar burn bright and fast. Admittedly, I haven't listened to "File Under: Easy Listening" in eons but the time I saw them touring behind that album was less than inspiring.

Last time I interviewed him he noted that not only was "FU:EL" his commercial peak, that overwhelmingly he's now known as the guy that used to be in Sugar, with the legacy of HD fading away. Tragically, AFAIC, but Mould I believe has long made peace with his past and moved on, for better or for worse.

Besides might be the "b-sides, live and outtakes" album of the 90s (at least nothing comes to mind immediately) and I'll take it over FU:EL. Also having a hard time thinking of a better band started by a guy from a great band who had already become a full-time solo artist. Certainly beats Tin Machine.

Is FU:EL really his commercial peak? I know it charted highest, but there were a TON of copies in clearance bins back in the day - I'd have to assume Copper Blue sold better on the whole.

I think FU:EL did better overseas. Like, really well.

Both albums were top ten over there, which is crazy.

also I dunno if I trust Mould's "actually people care more about the band that was my baby a lot more than the band with grant hart writing half the songs" analysis. Guessing a Husker Du reunion would pull a little more money than a Sugar one.

I would guess otherwise. Husker Du broke up a generation ago, 25 years, with only a fraction of mainstream support at the time. Unlike the Replacements, though, I've always sensed HD remains more a well kept secret sort of thing, at least in today's market.

Husker Du had more albums than Sugar, has been namechecked by more bands as an influence, has been memorialized in books and likely has so many "new" fans (since 1988) who missed them the first go-round. Sugar was pretty cool, but likely ranks on par with The Breeders. You could argue that more people know the words to "Cannonball", but it's only the Pixies that could carry out a worldwide reunion tour.

One of my best friends is very close to Mould and his partner; he says Mould's income these days derives from deejay gigs and royalties, most of which come from his post-Husker years (he managed himself very well apparently).

IIRC he pretty much set up a licensing agreement as soon as Sugar started which allowed him to (reasonably) dictate some terms when the band signed. Smart move.

He seems to live an ideal life: happily settled in a very nice apartment in San Francisco, does the deejay club circuit a few months a year, records an album when he feels like it.

Copper Blue is one of my favorite records.

The live take on "The Slim" on Besides is absolutely devastating. I've been hoping for years that footage of one of those takes will show up on youtube, to no avail thus far.

Bob Mould is also a well known furry and is active on the scene.[4]

he gets the catskins for nothing

mould used to get tons of cash for acoustic tours, get flown in, bring an acoustic on the plane, plug into the PA, play and go, no crew, etc.

he should get back into pro wrestling imo

I'm not at all saying Husker Du doesn't deserve the belated accolades, let alone cash, but there's absolutely no comparing their popularity to that of the Pixies, even at the time. Plus the Pixies broke up only ten or so years before they got back together, and it couldn't have hurt that they also broke up right when the mainstream starting adopting the stuff they pioneered. Sure, there'd be no Pixies without Husker Du, but there was no similar groundswell of enthusiasm (unless you could Sugar's brief success). Further, Pixies sales currently stand around 300,000 to 500,000 an album. What was the max HD ever sold? Do you think it's at all in line with the band's influence? Even in terms of namechecking, the number of times I see a band cite HD is close to nil, compared to Pixies or Pavement or whatever.

either way a husker du reunion will NEVER happen

I'm not so much saying Husker Du is more popular than the Pixies than saying that Sugar is to the Huskers what The Breeders are to the Pixies. I'm disagreeing with that Mould is better known for being in Sugar than in Husker Du

i think a huskers reunion would do pretty big business, like for example when i saw Mission of Burma on their reunion tour it was probably 1000 ppl, they commented from stage that there were only like 20 ppl the one time they played mpls in the old days.

also: old punkers are hella loyal.

Dunno if I'd call the Burma reunion big business. Either way, that band broke up originally well before it found out how far it could go (or not. The Huskers gave it a real shot, though. But I wouldn't imagine a HD reunion (which will never happen) would come close to, say, a Replacements reunion. Huskers have stayed relatively underground.

i think huskers would be way bigger than burma. i guess i consider 1000 ppl big business relatively, i dunno.

either way a husker du reunion will NEVER happen

― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:49 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^^^^THIS, and matt otm throughout this thread.

I interviewed Bob Mould for his "Body Of Song" album and I asked him at the end of ithe chat what the prospects were of a reunion. He said that it was not likely.

First of all, he claimed that contrary to my assumptions, there are not promoters waving bags of cash at them to do so.

Even without that tempation, he said too many hurtful things have been said by the other two (or maybe just one... I didn't use it in the interview and I don't have the transcript and might not be able to dig up the audio; all I have is the story I turned in) that he deemed it an impossibility.

That said, I cannot believe that nobody with a check book at least took their temperatures. I don't believe it would have been on par with The Pixies in terms of interest but I know a lot of people who never got to see Husker Du live who would pay for the chance now.

I include myself in that, actually.

Mould is too comfortable financially and psychologically to need a HD reunion, I was told.

Husker Du live : you're not missing THAT much.

i have many, many bootlegs that argue otherwise, us steel

IIRC, Mould did an interview, I guess when his last lp came out, where he said not only wasn't there going to be an HD reunion, but also that their SST albums weren't going to be expanded/reissued/remastered because all three guys had to over see/sign off on the project. He then advised fans to hold onto their vinyl.

I've also seen interviews with Hart where he claimed Mould tried to low-ball/strong-arm all the rights away from him and Greg, pissing him off and pissing away what little good feeling came of the hell-freezes-over one-time-only demi-reunion (where, incidentally, Mould chose a Hart song and Hart chose a Mould song - perhaps not coincidentally, "Never Talking to You Again" and "Hardly Getting Over It").

yo stevie -- which husker bootlegs are the best? i don't have any!

It's a pity that the end of Husker was so unnecessarily ugly and messy...that whole thing with Mould telling Hart he'll never have more than 45% of the song on any record and then Hart inevitably firing back after the split, just shake hands and either get a reunion gig going or completely call time on it in the right way. I'm anxious to see how he will depict that last year or so in the autobiography.

It was more complicated than that, too, involving everything from AIDS scares and suicide to drugs (Mould cleaned up first and got the upper hand; Norton, as far as I can tell, has stayed out of it).

x-post Tyler, I have a great Trenton bootleg I've enjoyed. Most famous may be "Lyndale's Burning," Minneapolis '95: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0DF8LFZM

i have about 20gb of husker boots :)

well,maybe 10. on a load of data cdrs

It's impossible to side with either Mould or Hart: one has been sober for years and doing well, the other wasn't.

awesome, thx stevie. i'll check it out -- i take it it's 85 not 95?

tyler - there's a boot from 86 i think, in minneapolis, where they debut a lot of candy apple gray, and also cover 'you're so square', that's pretty amazing. also track down the children's crusade boot, which contain three or four more sets of land speed record-era awesomeness. youtube had some great live du, too.

trenton bootleg josh mentions above is great especially because, iirc, bob has a real tantrum about spitting in the audience at one point.

oh oops, i thanked stevie instead of josh. thanks to both of you!

Lyndale's is awesome, although I think Celebrated Summer is listed and the actual track is...something else. Don't remember.

Yeah, they didn't really talk a lot onstage.

and also cover 'you're so square', that's pretty amazing.

Stevie, is that the version that morphs into "the wit and the wisdom"?

i think ppl might exagerate grant's drug use a bit, i've heard he's fairly sober now.

but grant isn't like other people.

my old band was playing a big benefit show for a mutual friend's divorce, you had to do some anti-love songs...we were going to play "never talking to you again" and didn't know grant was on the bill, anyway i screwed up my confidence and walked up to him and told him we were going to play it, he said right away he's come up and play it with us. he even had us cut out the bridge, which he said was boring...but yeah i was in heaven i couldn't believe it. could you imagine bob doing that? (my band was a nowhere band, not a big deal even locally)

he's around a lot, his house just burned down but he was living with a friend of mine, i think grant is more of a true artist than bob in a lot of ways, i don't think he was made for this world. bob seems smart and together but honestly his new solo stuff is so boring and dead to me. even a weird uncomfortable grant solo show when he's like playing the same song three times in the set, or repeating the last chord from a song like 15 times and being weird to the audience, it's always something.

royalties, most of which come from his post-Husker years

pretty sure every SST artist gets more royalties from their post-SST years until the non-SST reissues come out

Not sure what a "true artist" means in 2011, tbh. No snark intended.

? Why would it mean anything different than say 1989? or 1992? Or least to the extent that whatever year it was got in the way of the 'artistry'?

pp, yes its that boot - its sometimes known as boston 1986 but when i bought it on vinyl in the 90s it was credited as a minneapolis show. i'm pretty sure i got it before living end came out, and what i liked most about it was that bob and grant sang harmonies on each others songs, whereas on the studio versions, for the most part, grant's double-tracking harmonies on his songs, and bob on his songs. the version of green eyes on this boot is my favourite: the final chord always leaves me real choked.

? Why would it mean anything different than say 1989? or 1992? Or least to the extent that whatever year it was got in the way of the 'artistry'?

Well, I wouldn't define living in poverty as part of the requirements of true artistry.

grant hasn't been living on the streets, he was living with his elderly mom taking care of her. She moved into a home. Then the house burned down. You reallyseem to want to view him in a negative light. I think he's a true artist because of his art. He always had such a gift for songs, for melodies, that were so distinctively grant. Bob is more successful, but after sugar he is a bore.

I loved both of them.

I'm very sorry about how badly Hart's life has turned out, especially so since in HD I considered him as good as Mould. It's quite likely that had Hart the opportunities he might have churned out as many terrific post-HD songs as Mould. Because I admire domestic bliss more than poverty, and I took from your earlier remarks that Hart's problems the last twenty years made him a Truer Artist, which I can't accept (although we agree that I have no use for Mould after Sugar). Maybe I incorrectly interpreted your posts.

Because I admire domestic bliss more than poverty, and

"Your Favorite Thing" sounds like "Friday I'm in Love", but sucks much more.

thanks!

i feel like building a time machine just to go back to 2001 and slap myself seconds after the opening post in this thread. copper blue may be the best end-to-end album he was ever involved with.

also, reissues in july! and i guess he's touring again as sugar?

He played at Shepherds Bush Empire last night - the whole album of Copper Blue (I couldn't go).

interview

i think j. wurster is his drummer now; not sure about bass

Been saying it for years: Sugar >>>>>>>>>>> Husker

Nice try

Alfred … OTM?

no

Understand that I discovered Husker backwards from Sugar, and while I appreciated Mould's songcraft i the eighties (and still do: Flip Your Wig is one of my essentials) he finally crafted a sound commensurate with a songcraft that never stopped expanding on those three Sugar releases.

Grant hart >>>>sugar
I like sugar but let's get real

Alfred not on the money. But yeah, Mould's pop instincts are stronger in Sugar than they were in Husker Du. But then, he didn't need to fly the pop flag so high in Husker Du, and when he did, it only made that band even better.

I don't doubt Hart could have created as many good records as Mould did between 1989 and 1994.

I love the first Sugar album and EP, but Grant's first two solo albums are every bit their equal, minus the polish, maybe, but great nonetheless.

Sugar boils down to Mould applying the eagle-eye of "Hardly Getting Over It" and "Makes No Sense at All" to vortices of sound.

Any band that doesn't have a David barbe song >>any band that does

Only Barbe song is part of their studio album catalog!

*only one

Yes and it almost negates the entire catalog!!!

Album one, track one ftw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JFtmMF4UIc

If only the Huskers had signed out with that, brilliantly produced, first Sugar album instead of Warehouse. That's where they were heading.

Mould all the way

Except that it doesn't sound like Husker Du at all. It's where Mould was heading, maybe, but then, it took him a while to get a handle on writing pop songs.

The big mystery to me is how the first Sugar album should sound so good. Lou Giordano, the longtime Husker soundman, is the producer, so why couldn't the band manage a sound that good on their two major label records? I'm at peace with the eccentric production of "Warehouse," but it would have been interesting to hear it with that Sugar sheen.

Listening to MBV was a kick in the ass, I reckon.

6music have been playing loads of Sugar lately, I had been wondering why. Loved Copper Blue, I'm quite tempted to dig it out again actually.

Listening to MBV was a kick in the ass, I reckon.

Irony is that MBV and the Pixies were explicitly borrowing from Husker Du. So Mould turns around and borrows explicitly from them!

Excellent stuff: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16862-sugar-reissues/

http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/141407-sugar-copper-blue-beaster-file-under-easy-lis/

Disappointed eric went on about My Bloody Valentine and "My Favorite Thing" without noticing that "My Favorite Thing" totally jacks "Blown A Wish." I want this bit of trivia to be popularized already.

Copper Blue is a top ten all-time record for me.

I listened to the Copper Blue reissue on Spotify and it sounds terrific. Really want to pick up the vinyl.

For the longest time I assumed this band was terrible, beyond the couple of singles they played on my local alt-rock station. This was based entirely on their albums turning up constantly in used bins all over central Illinois in the later half of the 1990s.

poor Matthew Sweet!

the version of "The Slim" on Besides is amongst my favorite performances by anyone; by contrast the original sounds tame.

looks like the 2nd disk of the FUEL rerelease is the same as the bonus disk of Besides, which is a fabulous set, with another heartbreaking "Slim" to close it off.

Do any of these reissues have Bob Mould's song "Can't Fight It" from No Alternative? What a great song.

LOVE these remasters. Got the download from Merge on the weekend, and am anxiously awaiting the albums with all the bonus stuff.

I assume the remasters are the same ones that Edsel used for the reissues? I grabbed the 3-disc Edsel version of Copper Blue a bit earlier this year. Thinking I'll probably do the same for Beaster and FU:EL later, though the Edsel version of Beaster seems pretty pricy now considering the lack of extras beyond the videos.

Weird, I was at that Chicago show on the 2nd disc of the Copper Blue remaster. I only went for openers Scrawl (who were brilliant), but since I loved Husker Du, I figured I'd check out Bob's new act. About four songs in, I bailed. It sounded to me like tepid, warmed-over Du rejects. But I regret leaving, since they played "Armenia City In The Sky" later in the set.

here i shall reiterate my request for scrawl to reunite

nevertheless, u tarfumes were mad

Almost a year to the day after the Sugar show, I saw Scrawl open for PJ Harvey (same venue). They were even better that time.

I think Scrawl still occasionally reunites for one-offs, but only in Columbus. Really wish they'd do a tour.

OH MAN
Peej and Scrawl? Together? So dreamy.