― peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link
the "Soundclash" era... my favorite personally.. really pummeling, foreward thinking heavy downtempo/ragga influenced dance floor destruction with pervy lyrics. (We just mentioned Rema Rema in this thread, and this is where Ascquith's vocals sound most similar). If you like Tackhead, early Meat Beat Manifesto, Pop Group, etc. you'll like this record.
the "In Dub" era. far less vocals, more 4/4, breaks things going on, many of which are reinterpretations of the former era's song. Foreshadowed the Chemical Brothers pretty much,
the "How Ya doin' and after" phase. Karl Bonnie leaves. They sounds more like a minor pop group.. mostly known for thier self-titled single, which samples Serge Gainsbourg all over the place, and Gary's vocals sound nothing as harrowing as they did in the early days, nor in Rema Rema.
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link
Era 1: "Kray Twins", "Biting My Nails", "Murder Music", "Pocket Porn", "Cocaine Sex"
Era 2: "Thunder", "Women Respond To Bass", "The Phantom"
Era 3: "Bubbalubba", "Blast 'Em Out", "How Ya Doin'"
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link
Dan, you're right. I totally forgot about this one. I've got it and think its tres-mendous! I always thought that its was a single off of the first "in Dub" record. I guess I should give the "Soundclash" (is that the one which has "Murder Music"?) album another try. I love Tackhead (pre-vocals) and Pop Group, but less enthusiastic about MeatBeatManifesto.
Additional question: Did they ever remix anyone, and if so, are these any good?
― peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
They did a lot or remixes, but I don't remember them standing out. They did a mix of Liasons Dangerous's Los Ninos Del Parque for a Mute reissue which isn't that special, and a Depeche Mode mix. They did a lot of work with Flood and also Rico Conning, who was a big figure in that time and was previously in an amazing post-punk/dub band called the Lines, who I am hopefully reissuing when I get done with the Glenn Branca and Metal Urbain stuff I'm working on now. But yes, as mentioned, they came out of Rema Rema, the same 4ad band that spawned the Wolfgang Press. It's that hipster post-punk origins that made them unique, while they were clearly fluent in the club and drug culture of the late 80s.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
"a blind begger, a blind a blind begger"
"he's got a finger in her painted lips, always got on hand upon her african hips..."
"just popped into lloyds to get myself insured"
etc
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 03:47 (twenty years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 03:49 (twenty years ago) link
― jwd, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:23 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
dum dum, duh-dum dum, duh-nuh DUH-NUH dun-nuh
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
Right-O DJ Mencap, it was Outhud!
― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway, for what it's worth, The Lines were namechecked on Outhud's one sheet by someone at Kranky as a reference point, but the band themselves were, and I believe still are, unfamiliar with them, which is why I've been promising to make them a CD. But for REALLY deep dubbed out post-punk, the Lines were hard to beat.
in any case, hello to all the bloggers and fellow internet music nerds...
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
― jwd, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:57 (twenty years ago) link
Why?
Because Renegade Soundwave were the best.
Because I'm listening to Soundclash right now.
Because friday night at the Madchester/UK club night in Park Slope Brooklyn Tony Fletcher played the RSW Megamix from the Women Respond to Bass.
And so I can ask again, using your imagination, what music fits in with Renegade Soundwave's singles/mixes. I'm talking particularly about the various versions of The Phantom, Ozone Breakdown, Space Gladiator and Probably a Robbery. Discovering Todd Terry opened my eyes a bit, and realizing how much RSW's use of hip-hop was based on Terry's hip-hop/house productions. Pal Joey, who was a hip-hop engineer initially, made sample based funky house music that fits. I've also taken to some of the faster hip-hop from that period, for instance the instrumental of Eric B and Rakim's Juice(Know the Ledge.)
Some of the earlier sample based UK dance stuff like MARRS, Bomb the Bass, S'Express, which I love, just isn't as funky and spacey.
Also, for a total dub neophyte, give me some names. What dub acts do you think Renegade Soundwave listened to? Was there really deep digital dub stuff? Anything that would be approximately like the end of Blue Eyed Boy?
One record clerk recommended Shut Up and Dance when I asked about RSW type stuff a few years ago.
suggestions?
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link
they were the awesomest
― duke pocket, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link
my personal faves are 'the phantom', 'ozone breakdown', 'cocaine sex' (particularly the dubs), 'kray twins' (for americans, the opening sample was the theme music to itv's news at ten), 'thunder', 'mash up' (dan, it's actually the banbarra 'shack up' break that they sampled), 'women respond to bass' and the whole of the 'in dub' album. apart from 'kray twins' i still play all of these out quite frequently. i think yr totally otm with the todd terry influence. it was after god's todd's first few 12's hit over here that rsw came out with 'the phantom'.
dan, have you heard 'underneath the arches' by the jackal? it came out on the criminal damage label and was renegade soundwave before they changed their name. it sounds a little dated but as you like 'kray twins', i think you'd dig it. also the 'ohi ho bang bang' 12" which is karl bonnie and holger hiller - it's one of thee most mental sampling records ever created (it tears apart 'ballroom blitz' by the sweet) and has one of my favourite ever videos too. also worth a listen is holger hiller's 'demixed' lp which has some rsw input.
karl bonnie went on to make some pretty crazy techno dub recordsand then seems to have vanished without a trace, while rsw got back together last year (without bonnie) and put out a so so reworking of 'the phantom'.
as for shut up and dance - classic, classic, classic. all the early releases under the suad name, along with rum and black, the ragga twins and nicolette (all suad productions) are immense. they were a massive influence on carl craig who has sampled them frequently (most notably on '4 jazz funk classics' and his piece 12"). suad is maybe not something you want to delve into as it then opens up the whole uk hardcore end of things which is massive oeuvre of music full of delights. forget conceptions of cheesy rave tunes - a lot of these records are as deep and fucked up as you can imagine. it's a whole other thread but one record i think you'd love is 2 bad mice's 'bombscare' ep on moving shadow from '91. the main track is a perennial fave but THEE one is 'ware mouse' which is a cavernous industrial funk dub monster with crazy electronic fx. very sparse, very heavy (the beat is outrageous) it sounds like rsw if they had taken some seriously bad drugs.
Was there really deep digital dub stuff
some of sherwood's tackhead and fats comet productions plough a similar vein but his beats were never as razor sharp as rsw's (i remember reading how they spent three days getting that snare sound on 'cocaine sex'!). some of the late 80's uk digital dub stuff was also fantastic. i would heartily recommend sound iration's 'in dub' lp and zulu warrior's self titled lp on the wau! mr. modo label. they are more in the traditional dub vein but are very, very deep.
of course, then there is all the jamaican digital dancehall that rsw were heavily into. obviouly they were into all the dub masters - tubby, perry etc. but i think their real love was all the prince jammys et al digital stuff. a lot of these productions from around '84 to '86 got pretty out there. i have an addiction to the 'sleng teng' rhythm (i've amassed around 70 versions which is kind of tragic) and some of the freakier dub versions certainly filtered into the rsw sound (the 'cocaine sex' bassline is the 'sleng teng' bassline). i have one version that sounds exactly how you'd imagine sigue sigue sputnik or suicide would sound like if they came from jamaica!
anyway, i could bore for scotland on all this so i had better stop there but i'll post back if any other deep digital dub stuff springs to mind.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link
It's a mystery (I like John Bush, actually, he's a good writer, but I really did want to replace those two reviews of his!)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Thunder IIProbably a robberyKray twins/Cocaine sex/Biting my nails
I have all the albums, but I have found mixes I hadn't heard before. I'm really interested to hear the Lines stuff. I hope Acute does do the reissue; their Metal Urbain reissues have been superb - thank you, Dan!
― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Affectian (Affectian), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Cocaine Sex (Sub Aqua Overdrive Dub)2. Biting My Nails (Bassnumb Chapter)3. The Phantom (remix)4. Ozone Breakdown5. Thunder6. Bacteria7. Deadly8. Transition9. Women Respond to Bass10. Holgertron11. Recognise and Respond12. Transworld Siren13. Black Eye Boy14. Ozone Breakdown 90 (Uprising mix)15. Positive Mindscape
(79:54, chronological AFAIK - contains most of In Dub. Part 2, the non-dub version singles, is coming soon, although I listen to this one much more. These tracks are really astonishing even before you think about when they were produced!)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Armed Audio Warfare is the only subpar thing MBM put out. Everything else is genius.
I don't comprehend how anyone could dislike 99%, Satyricon or Subliminal Sandwich.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link
(another dead sheep)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Meat Beat Manifesto's initial modus operandi (when they first formed around 1986 or 1987) was to create an album "more extreme than As The Veneer..." apparently. They didn't succeed, but we did eventually get to hear bits and pieces of that work when Sweatbox released the Bark compilation with "Kneel And Buzz", which is that insane proto-Merzbow-doing-hip-hop sounding track. And the early collection Armed Audio Warfare came out in 1990, which had "Kneel And Buzz", "Mr. President", and some of the earliest bits. (Whether the original studio tapes were actually "destroyed in a fire", acc. to the liner notes, is up to you to believe.)
(Sorry, Dan, but i love Armed Audio Warfare.)
But I'm wondering if "Kray Twins" and "Cocaine Sex" were also influenced by As The Veneer as well. The biggest difference between all of them being that you just could not dance to As The Veneer, at least for more than 20 seconds, as it was the loudest most chopped up fucked up "beat"-ish album ever made.
If it wasn't for the also very raucous and Swans like Rema Rema that served as part of RSW's early history (via Ascquith), I would have been convinced.
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Depends on your definition of "RSW" and "industrial". If we're talking early RSW, it's not really that far fetched. Gary Asquith's voice is very harrowing back then.. but not in the stereotypical "I'm going to sound like a DEMON on DISTORTION. ROOOOOWWRR" effect that many known industrial/dance bands use. And those beats and sounds do get very very loud at times.
The most "industrial" thing about RSW is their album covers, especially of the early singles... which are amongst the best ever.That said, "Biting My Nails" pretty much nailed the whole "RSW = industrial" meme in the coffin, if there ever was one to begin with.Sampling a breakbeat from KC & The Sunshine Band = not industrial, haha.
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, I don't think anyone should be that confused about people linking RSW to industrial after listening to "Murder Music", "Space Gladiator" and "Kray Twins".
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
That's because it IS unfinished and incoherent.. it's a compilation. but some of my favorite individual MBM tracks ever are on this compilation... "Kneel and Buzz" being one of them. "Cutman" is great, too.. and didn't that get nicked on a Chemical Brothers mix CD back in the day?
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
RSW "Blue Eyed Boy" (1989)Public Enemy "By The Time I Get To Arizona" (1991)
granted, the former only used it occasionally, whereas PE made it the consistent backdrop.
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not trying to argue against your points, Spencer.. I'm just giving you my side of what I (very loosely) define as industrial in this context. We're both "right". :)
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Why is LFO's "Frequencies" still...
for more rsw talk, or perhaps, bring it back here.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Just wanted to continue listing the vinyl only RSW items.
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link
(one of my faves off the 1st album i have to say)
― mark e (mark e), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
WHEEL IT OUT! COMING THROUGH!
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link
is it this?
http://www.discogs.com/release/221980
Maybe it's a bootleg edit? I have a bootleg I got at Rock-N-Soul, a place that is mostly hip-hop and disco/house/club classics that has Ozone Breakdown on it.
The funniest thing I got I won on eBay, it was a 7" white label advertised as "Cooking Sex". Sure enough, it says Cooking Sex on it in handwriting, and was on Rhythm King, I'm wondering if they weren't worried about sending it radio stations as Cocaine Sex or something!
I want this:
http://www.discogs.com/release/413655
and wonder if its the same version that ended up on In Dub.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 6 May 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Unfucking real.
I also interveiwed Danny Briottet a few years later for Alternative Press (but it never ran) and told him about it and he laughed and laughed. I know for sure there is a Layo & Bushwacka remix of I THINK "The Phantom" that came out around then because it was on Danny's mix CD. Apparently Danny and Gary Asquith haven't spoken in years either... he was pretty spiteful toward him on the phone.
Anyway, they were universally brilliant. Yes, for sure three different eras, but all of them rock the house in different ways. What about the love for the self-titled comeback single with the Serge Gainbourg shit all up in it? The more I hear "Howyadoin" the more I think I never gave it enough credit on release. That said, I do own like 4 copies of it...
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link
that's exactly what they were worried about. my 12" has that written on it too.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link
In the U.S., if RSW were known here then, you would have had to change that to "Cocaine Sects", because you know drug talk is OK in the U.S. but certainly not sex!
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
That's an early Flaming Lips song, now, Ned. Give us a break.
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Todd, I used to have the CD-single w/ Prob a Rob 12 gauge but gave it to someone because, you know, i had the vinyl...
But let's definately talk mp3 trading, get it all together.
I always liked much of Howyoudoin, though I hated the title song. Disc 1 of my personal RSW 2 CD set contains Liquid Up, John Holmes, Positive ID, Blast "Em Out and Brixton. All GREAT pop songs. It was the remix album where I thought they made their first really bad move. It has moments, but while In Dub is just totally unique, Next Chapter of Dub just sounded like then contemporary trip-hop or whatever.
A highpoint of my life was sitting in a middle-eastern resteraunt and hearing the song that John Holmes samples.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Except for "Positive Mindscape" which is its saving grace.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Disc 1:
Renegade Soundwave 7" mixBlue Eyed BoyLucky LukeOn TVKray TwinsLiquid UpProbably a RobberyTraitorBiting My Nails (soundclash version)Space GladiatorMurder MusicPocket PornCocaine SexJohn HolmesPositive IDBlast 'Em OutBrixtonCan't Get Used to Losing You
Disc 2:
Ozone BreakdownThe PhantomBiting My Nails (Bass Numb Chapter)Thunder IIDeadlyFunky DropoutBacteriaPocket Porn DubCocaine Sex (Sub-Aqua Overdrive)Black Eye BoyMash-UpWomen Respond to BassProbably a Robbery (12 Gauge Turbo)The Phantom (In Dub version, version 90 or whatever it's called)ManphibianTransition
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link
I also have the Women Respond To Bass 12". there are four tracks on that total. And I have Space Gladiator Dub. But I think Dan has this on vinyl, but just hasn't digitized it yet.
I think the major project is to get all the RSW remixes of other bands onto one CD (or 2 if needed.)
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
1.Depeche Mode2.Liason Dangereuses
...
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Mr. Hutlock from above made me a RSW mix tape during college including the Depeche Mode remix, that's easy to download. I have the Liason Dangereuses remix on vinyl. I also have the track they sorta did for the Amorres Perros soundtrack. They did at least 2 Pop Will Eat Itself remixes, neither of which I have.
Looking at Discogs...I'd like to hear the Sabres mix of Brixton.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― heywood jablomi (heywood), Friday, 13 May 2005 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Dan you could use the beginning and end from your tired record to replace the Ken Ishii one? better than nothing...?
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 13 May 2005 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link
i'll rip the first ever rsw single before they changed their name and post a link to it later.
i will also dig out the 'turntable scratch mix' too.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link
never heard this before .. thanks muchly.
m.e
― mark e (mark e), Friday, 13 May 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
'tackhead in the area!'
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
I know there is an RSW remix of PWEI's "Touched By The Hand Of Cicciolina" but I've never heard it -- seen it on eBay and got outbid a while back.
Also, far easier to find is a remix of Nitzer Ebb's "Lightning Man." I think you might still be able to buy that direct from Mute UK online even. And I just checked and a LOT of the old RSW singles are still in print from them too -- on vinyl and CD -- including the Women Respond To Bass joint! Wahoo!!!
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
"Underbelly" (Renegade Soundwave Blackout Mix)
which is on the Two Fingers My Friends Remixes album. Again, never heard it...
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link
same goes for that underbelly remix .. i may have that somewhere ... have no recollection of if its a good un .. as that album is chocka with good/bad mixes (mostly good though)
― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 19 May 2005 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link
http://ireallylovemusic.blogspot.com
i had forgotten they remixed bassomatics classic 'fascinating rhythm'.
wasn't until i dug the 'ease on by' ep out of the archive i realised.
so for the sake of this thread i have added it to the internet archive.
― mark e (mark e), Monday, 23 May 2005 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link
re: Bassomatic, a reminder that William Orbit's friend and often collaborator Rico Conning worked with Renegade Soundwave and other likeminded bands at the time. Prior to that he was in the post-punk band the Lines, who I hope to soon be reissuing.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link
Danny -- feel free to send me the Cicciolina remix! I am dying to hear it now!
― Hutlock (Hutlock), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link
the RSW mix is indeed on the 'ease on by' cd ep .. not sure if its on the vinyl versions ..
― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link
so I had a moment at work and was researching Wide Boy Awake, Kevin Mooney from Adam and the Ant's eclectic 3 or so ep's and that was it early/mid 80s act who gave us the suprise new wave dance classic Slang Teacher. While talking about the old punk days connections were made to fellow Ant Marco Pirronni and his prior band Rema Rema, which of course featured Gary from Renegade Soundwave(as well as 2 later Wolfgang Press).
I then see on the 4ad page that they put out a limited edition CD of the awesome Rema Rema 12" with notes by Kevin Mooney.
Then catching up with everyone, Mooney is working with Gary Ainsworth in a band called Lavender Pill Mob, which brought me to these links:
http://www.lecoqmusique.co.uk/
as well as a band called Mike's Bikes featuring Adam Ant. I suppose this query could be posted on an Adam Ant thread as well, but I'll take any chance to revive a Renegade Soundwave thread.
So what's this all about? This stuff any good? They also refer to him as Gary Ainsworth, so I'm confused.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link
(haha, I think I posted the same links on a *doodly doodly* Adam Ant thread! So all bases covered now. Good job, Dan. :) )
― donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
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― donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
His shitty rapping actually helps this line, makes it more unexpected. "Soundclash" is indeed v good.
― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link
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― js (honestengine), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link
Soundclash still the best record ever.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish I still had my copy of "Thunder II". I can't remember which b-side it was, but one of them was extreme dubby fantasticness.
FYI: I was thinking of "Manphibian" here
― I lettered in Sam and Carl (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Manphibian and Mash-Up are both awesome. A great ep.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
recently read the Murder Music was originally a Rema Rema song. (Or Mass?) Makes sense. I would kill to hear an original recording of it if there ever was one.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I am tempted to nominate these guys in the hip-hop poll
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
I purchased an album of theirs because Pop Will Eat Itself listed them as something they dug on "Can You Dig It."
I didn't.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
you should try again, and then keep trying until you love them
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
RSW >>> PWEI
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
especially as PWEI went on; the Poppies had 2 albums that were as consistently good as the RSW material but they had to ramp up to it and they fell off relatively quickly after they hit their stride
This is the Day... and Cure For Sanity are amazing tho
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
I remember jjj picked up the "Biting My Nails" single as a result of "Can U Dig It?" and by the time we got to "Kray Twins" we both knew RSW fucking owned
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
PWEI>>>Ciccone Youth
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
?
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
just comparing the poppies to people they reference in Can U DIg It?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
Ohh.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
"Murder Music" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded
― DJP, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
"Murder Music" is one of the greatest song ever recorded
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
wait djp did you say upthread that you dont have a copy of thunder II anymore
pretty sure i do. i know i have that thinline cd maxisingle w/biting my nails and cocaine sex on it
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
and kray twins! apparently i have the one that enigma put out with 2 mixes of biting my nails, although iirc its just a vocal and an instrumental club mix so prob no great rarity there
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
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― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
i have that thinline cd maxisingle w/biting my nails and cocaine sex on it
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:53 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, it's kind of blowing my mind that other went through exactly the same folly of youth shit. and it wasn't an "album" i bought, it was exactly that thin-case maxi single. eventually came to like one of the songs, think it was the "biting nails" club dub.
http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-263701-1299762439.jpeg
^ this one
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
music > ac/dc > run-DMC > riffs > disco sound > "leader of the pack" > spinderella > "hit the north" > "into the groove(y) > "da doo ron ron" > renegade soundwave
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
listening back, i love the music on all three tracks, but hate the vocalist, no exceptions
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
enjoying this, but it seems more pop than club
renegade soundwave renegade soundwave
moroccanized
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-O3rh95HIA
The 12 with biting backed by kray twins and cocaine sex was my first purchase after soundclash I think. Bought it at sam goody in a nj mall.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
i do still have thunder II and in dub. yay not loaning out cds like i used to!
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
Me = jealous @ u
― DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
I was about to post the playlist of my 2 CD set of RSW favorites with a "pop" cd and a "dance" cd but then I realized I did it already 6 years ago.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 June 2011 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
man listening through all of this and cocaine sex is just so much better than the title would lead you to think - i think this might be my favorite so far
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
whoa this biting my nails (sound system plays a renegade tune) remix on thunder II is kind of awesome
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, this is almost verbatim what you told me when you first bought this.
― DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome to see RSW get some love on the board. I love em. A friend of mine wrote them a long and analytical fan letter back in the day, and they wrote a long letter back that began, "Dear Daniel, Dance music has been with us since the dawn of time."
― broom air, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
vintage RSW on the telly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9D-qHLcnIw
― broom air, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
AMAZING
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Surprising!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BAtMlXdvbc
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
written by her husband Papa John Philips I think.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
I had no idea. Awesome.
― broom air, Friday, 29 July 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
hang on. just watched that network clip.they diss PWEI !yet clearly they went on to change their minds when they got the offer to remix them later on.[what a great chart : tackhead/pwei/woodentops/coldcut .. ]and as per broom, i too had no idea biting .. was a cover.
― mark e, Friday, 29 July 2011 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
double wow!
danny and gary were well moody. good hats though.
i'd forgotten that "cocaine sex" was promoed as "cooking sex". ha!
i also had no idea that "biting my nails" was a cover. the original is great! a little like a proto cristina.
― stirmonster, Friday, 29 July 2011 09:45 (twelve years ago) link
I have a 7" on Rhythm King stamped "Cooking Sex". I always assumed that was the case but this is the first confirmation I've had that it was for real.
― dan selzer, Friday, 29 July 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
Reminds me of the recent run of SNL skits where they say something that's not dirty but make it sound dirty in context. Like the TV ads for "Sofa King". "Our prices are Sofa King cheap" etc. Similarly the earlier skit about "Cork Soakers" in a winery, where they soak the cork before bottling, and the old lady with no teeth is the best "cork soaker".
― dan selzer, Friday, 29 July 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
wait ppl didn't know "Biting My Nails" was a cover?
so that means you probably haven't seen... THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaCuOfSnZEs
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 29 July 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
nope. thats rather fun.
― mark e, Friday, 29 July 2011 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
I declare today to be Renegade Soundwave Day
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 23 August 2013 13:50 (ten years ago) link
The sound system plays a renegade tune
― waterface down (jjjusten), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link
RSW is more of a saturday night thing.
I love my Saturday night,It's late Saturday night,When I met you.
― dan selzer, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Track starts off with some sort of acid track, sounds hot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argUqGBkGGE
― FacePlateCase, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link
Err, my question was meant to be: Does anyone recognize this acid track?
It appears to be none of these: http://www.whosampled.com/Renegade-Soundwave/The-Phantom-%28Turntable-Scratch%29/
Remixer is credited as 'Radical Crew' (only credit on Discogs is this track)
― FacePlateCase, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:08 (ten years ago) link
don't know about that sample but those credits are sloppy. That track doesn't sample Area Code's Stone Fox Chase OR Cymande, or Run DMC it samples Royal House's The Chase, which is Todd Terry sampling Stone Fox Chase and Cymande and Run DMC.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link
Great interview with Gary Asquith here about his younger/punk days:
http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/a-strange-elevation/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
interesting stuff, definitely needs a second part re RSW and beyond ...
― mark e, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
why oh why have these guys not yet cashed in on the late 80s/early 90s reunion groove !?
i mean seriously.
modern techno toys would mean they could perform live with little effort.
― mark e, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
They probably don't get along. They both do stuff with versions of the name. Danny seems to do more straight modern dub type stuff, while Gary's been reissuing and reworking Rema Rema and doing stuff as Renegade Soundmachine. I really wish I was more convincing when emailing Gary going back to the myspace days about the then yet-unreleased Rema Rema stuff.
http://inflammablematerial.bigcartel.com/product/rema-rema-international-scale-7-defiant-pose-8
http://www.discogs.com/Rema-Rema-EntryExit/release/6943617
Where is Karl Bonnie?
― dan selzer, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
They probably don't get along.
i realised this after a bit of research and chat ..
such a shame as they could easily pay off mortgages etc if they hit the reunion trail ..
― mark e, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link
I just reread Neuromancer for the zillionth time and was thinking about how I like to listen to certain records or bands when reading certain books/comics because it’s a perfect soundtrack and for me the soundtrack to Neuromancer is Soundclash. There’s a lot of dub in the book so RSWs take on decadent industrial digital dub pop always seemed fitting.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
i interviewed renegade soundwave but i don't think the piece was very good
― mark s, Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
after a nudge, i listened to all 4 albums yesterday/today.yeah, their stuff still hits the spot.never got the 2cd comp though as not enough non-lp material on it.now, a comp of their own remixes and their remixes of others would be most appreciated, but i suspect the chances are somewhat slim.
― mark e, Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:37 (one year ago) link
Gary’s been busy with Rema Rema, movie coming soon. Danny did some production and remixes with Rico Conning and makes radio mixes.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 29 October 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link
blimey.did not expect that.nice to hear that they are still involved with various projects.
― mark e, Saturday, 29 October 2022 19:39 (one year ago) link