Outkast - Hey Ya

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I just saw the video. I didn't bother to read the Oukast thread, it would probably only dishearten me. But this song was brilliant. I literally gasped in amazement. It would take me such a long time to explain all the reasons why I love this song -- hell, just to name all of the different styles of music (some of them non-existent) the song employs. I love humanity.

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 06:52 (twenty years ago) link

sigh

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:53 (twenty years ago) link

that's cause jess ain't here yet

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

Why the sigh? Because I liked the song?

Also, die.

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

outkast have become the flaming lips for the 'i have black friends' set

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

i just realized this is the worst song ive ever heard

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:00 (twenty years ago) link

sorry dude, not trying to start shit, plz go on

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

And again to the issue at hand, may I please just enjoy the music? Or must there be something else to it?

Or, I don't know, maybe you could give your reasoning.

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

how do you breathe in that cultural vacuum

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

Dot Dash

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:05 (twenty years ago) link

I get the feeling that the only type of music that's not okay to like around here is music that, in any way shape or form, could be embrassed by indies.

My feelings could best be expressed with this emoticon:

:-P

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 07:05 (twenty years ago) link

the unification of embraced/embarrassed will actually serve us well in all future ilm indie discussions (cant wait for those). unless that means 'made like brass'.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

i sighed because
1) there are four thousand outkast threads right now, many of them specifcally addressing this song.
2) i personally don' t like it. i think it's a chumpy i'm-a-rapper-but-i'm-trying-to-make-a-wacky-indie-rock-type-song. actually i don't hate it. i think the verses suck. it has nice production. the way it goes from being just an upbeat acoustic guitar song to having all sorts of synths is nice. the hand claps are fun (i think any song w/hand claps gets a little love from me). the video is pretty funny. but i just really hate the verses.

now you die

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

I still really like it and I like it because it sounds like Frank Black, too. But then I like lots of things.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 19 September 2003 09:50 (twenty years ago) link

i like it 'coz when listening to it at my desk i start bouncing up and down in my chair like Tigger. and because, as mentioned on the other thread, that 'shake it like a polaroid picture' line is wonderful.

― H (Heruy), Friday, 19 September 2003 11:26 (twenty years ago) link

Can this be the thread where we discuss how the "I have black friends" set is the real enemy? I mean, seriously, I think they could do worse. Is this a case of boring/annoying being worse than evil?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'll answer that: NO. Because we still got terrorists here livin'in the USA, like the CIA, The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.aje.org.uk/daf/graphics/question-mark.gif

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

Oh so whites who like blacks are the new enemy? SWEET!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

sigh

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

I like this song cuz it sounds like white people music, and as a white people myself I like white people music exclusively.

― nickalicious ;-) (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Look out for the tribe of Nickalicious.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a little tired of being given advice by idiots, Sonny.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

i have black friends who like Frank Black

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

It is really astonishing how ILM can do this pathetic black-white thread over and over and over and over and over again.

― kill me now, Friday, 19 September 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

Outkast they are like a 50's or 60's beat group except are they borrowing from white sources instead of black. Cool!

― Vious, Friday, 19 September 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

"kill me now", that's exactly why on the black music vs. white music thread I was so happy to see it derail into talk about the early days of the electric guitar...like OH MY GOD TALKING ABOUT MUSIC ON ILM WHODATHUNKIT?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a little tired of being given advice by idiots, Sonny.

When I give you advice you'll know it! Besides, I think we agree anyway. I'm sorry if I offended you.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

i don't really have much of an opinion this song! it's actually probably one of the better realized tracks on the andre disc. it was kind of a "nice" shock the first time i downloaded it and heard it, and then it got progressively more annoying each time (hey, just like solo frank black.) i think it would be worlds better if andre didn't sound so...harsh.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

I just watched a bit of the video and oh my god Andre is one goofy motherfucker.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

Although I tried liking the song completely independent of the sociological of me liking it; if I should stop liking it and listen to music that's more "black" (I think there's already a thread on that one too) so I can meet other people's standards for "cultured" I guess I'll go off and do that then!

Really though, it's not like I said, "And I prefer this song to other rap music! Jay-Z/The Neptunes/Timbaland/Anybody else who is well-respected around here is just too... oh you know, negro!"

I really don't care who recorded it, at what time, or of what race. It's just a good song.

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

*sociological impact

― David Allen, Friday, 19 September 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha in this video Andre looks like he's ripped on E

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

Saw both video's (Andre's and Big Boi's) the other night on MTV2's hip-hop countdown. (Andre was one notch below Big Boi.) I like BB's video better, because the bikini'ed girl has the best ass in all of pop culture right now (80 times better than the girl in the Neptunes "Ass On Fire" video), but both songs are pretty bad. If the little keyboard part in Andre's song was a whole lot louder, like if it was the foundation of the whole song, it might improve things substantially. But the drum sound is crap, as are the vocals. But I've never liked Outkast anyway, so whatever.

Agree with trife on the idea of Outkast's fanbase being folks who not only make a point of telling you they have black friends, but can count/list those friends if asked.* When Stankonia came out, Alternative Press put Outkast on the cover. I predicted to the editor that it would be their lowest-selling issue of the year. It was. I've never again been as confident about the collective good taste of the AP readership, but that one time they were right on the money.

*I don't have any friends, and I like it that way.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

yeah sorry ilm for casting doubt on anyones motivations for liking this truly shitty, shitty song, though i am still irked by all the 'outkast are the most important group in hiphop' and 'omg it sounds like indie rock...so innovative...' etc etc on the other thread, theres been like four or five threads specifically about this song that actively repulses me while so many great recent singles (and occasionally threads i start about them!!) are being ignored totally

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Who said they're the most important group in hip-hop? I don't think they even ARE hip-hop anymore.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

(note: I don't ignore your singles threads trife I just don't like most of those songs for shit, save the E-40/Busta one, which I k-like)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

Agree with trife on the idea of Outkast's fanbase being folks who not only make a point of telling you they have black friends, but can count/list those friends if asked

Okay, these people exist, and they might be annoying to you, but what is the point of criticizing them? They have a lot to learn about race. We all do.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Trife I would post to your threads if I still had a radio or I could still download music. Keep it up.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

yeah whats the point of criticizing any racist mindset or attitude?? we've all got a lot to learn!! yo kkk, keep on pimpin!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

I think there are actually two different parts of this supposed "I have black friends" set: there's the racist-but-doesn't-want-it-to-get-out folks, and then there's the not-racist-but-constantly-worried-about-being-called-racist folks. At least.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

but these people are TRYING. If you want to give them some pointers to their face, by all means, let them know they're "wrong". But it seems like you're just using them as an excuse to dis the Flaming Lips.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

KKK in "I have lots of black friends" shockah!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 19 September 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

nick what do you think makes an innocent person, as you said, 'constantly worried about being racist'?

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

curtis just yesterday in your state of georgia right here some local kkk branch 'reached out' to black churches while organizing a protest against the ten commandments removal, and yea i think they probably care as much abt black churches as the 'i have black friends' set do

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

oh of course i always forget that on ilm liking a black person means you cant ever be a racist!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

what do you think makes an innocent person, as you said, 'constantly worried about being racist'?

Lack of exposure to black culture?
And I think Curtis was just pointing out what was either an inconsistency in your argument or some semantic trouble... whatever, you're just being faux-naif anyway, you strawman

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

what do you think makes an innocent person, as you said, 'constantly worried about being racist'?

Worried about ending up with a tarnished reputation. Some people care about what others think of them. (fwiw I'm not one of those people)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

and no i dont think anyone on ilm who likes this song is a racist!!! my 'flaming lips for the 'i have black friends' set' post was just saying that outkast (ok, andre) have provided a really easy get-out card to anyone wants to like a 'rap' single but finds most of it distateful or lacking in earnest acoustic guitar, im not entire equating that with out-and-out racism but if i am its more a personal flaw of mine than any proclamation from on high

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

I know people who like the P. Diddy/Nelly song for the same reason, trife

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

yes nick i realized theyre 'worried' but why that specifically?? ppl usually arent terrified by the unearthing of crimes they didnt commit!! all the 'i have black friends' ppl ive ever known have been straight racists, usually saying that to defend their batshit racist plan to dismantle welfare or end affirmative action or make hiphop sound like the flaming lips

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

How are the "'I have black friends' ppl" a more acceptable stereotype than the "wiggas"?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

are you serious?! the 'i have black friends' crew INVENTED the wigga insult, and then when someone told them that was kinda racist, they were like, 'no, i have black friends'

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe they're bigger assholes, that doesn't answer the question... I'm just saying you're stereotyping these people a little too comfortably

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

ppl usually arent terrified by the unearthing of crimes they didnt commit

The Fugitive ha ha ha

(I see whatcher sayin, I guess I just happen to know some really panty-waist PC-types who just don't want their permanent record to bear a scarlet "R")

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

i dont think its a 'stereotype' to class together ppl who have the same opinion !!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

'you must stop your bigoted stereotyping of anyone in the flat earth society as a believer that the earth is flat!!! youre worse than hitler!!'

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

You've mapped out all their tastes and history! They all listen to Flaming Lips and Outkast and they invented the term "wigga" and don't forget their plan to destroy the poor!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

gosh, don't drag out that hitler strawman again!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

That's the thing though; I don't think there's a unified opinion to this supposed "I have black friends" set. It's not like there's a unified I Have Black Friends Party platform or something! People say things for different reasons sometimes.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

most of my friends are asian

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

Momus is the Flaming Lips of the "I have friends who are Asian" set

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

well I don't think they're the most important group in hip-hop, and I've only heard it once and really didn't think it sounded like indie rock, but I did like it.

also probably no one will admit to being in this set.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

i have black friends

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

I like Hey Ya and I don't have any black friends at all.

― the ghastly fop, Friday, 19 September 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

i don't have any black friends either :(

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

Seriously, until I started coming to this board this whole idea of white indie anglophilia and hip hop being locked in some kind of struggle for the future of music never occured to me....I have always, since the first time I got hooked on MTV Raps with Fab 5 Freddy loved hip hop, and still do, but I just never thought it had to be mutually exclusive with me liking say Guided By Voices or something....

As for Outkast, I think they occaisionally are a little self-indulgent and perhaps critically overrated, but still I think Aquemini is a great album (and a real hip hop album)...I haven't heard the new one, but Trife I think you'd have to admit that at least early Outkast (Southernplayalistic) was pretty much straight up southern hip hop, and good at that.....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 September 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

No,it's a rap song all the way. It's just that when you watch the video it SEEMS like a rock song. It's just outkast being weird. It's got a bunch of weird spacey type little synthesiser sounds and weird little 80's type effects and shit in it too. It's not really a rock song,but it kinda appears like it is.I think mainly because of the guitar part and the video looks like some 60's rock shit.But nope,it's straight up rap. That's why I like outkast,can't think of anyone else who could pull it off. This new CD is a double CD and one cd is Big Boi's and one is Andre3000's,or at least that's what I heard. It's called Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. I like that song Big Boi has too "I like the way you move" the lyrics are fucking raw,his delivery is perfect. The chorous doesnt seem like it would fit the style of his verses but it does.Good beat too. Outkast stay doing something interesting.

― d k (d k), Saturday, 20 September 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

this idea about Outkast's 'fanbase' is a complete load of bullshit if you ask me, it's like the notion that some black people sit around criticising this and that (probably even Outkast) for being 'too white' - what the fuck ever

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

Aaaannnnndddd sexism.

We've got everything going here. Trife: what are some singles you think I should hear but am overlooking?

― David Allen, Saturday, 20 September 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

Is it really sexist?

― d k (d k), Saturday, 20 September 2003 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

trife i see your point in a way but if the flaming lips HAD produced this song then i'd be happy coz they did something good again, and you wouldn't even care either way.

i don't think real hip-hop is in any danger of ALL going the way of dre, nor sadly do i think that there's any real chance that the indie kids are gonna start to like real hip-hop en masse except in a "ironic" (ne blackface) way anyway.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~sturdevk/ares/jpg/gods1.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

I see this song in the same way I see the country stuff on the new Bubba Sparxxx CD - a sort of intersection between hip-hop's general confidence in being the biggest/best music on the planet and the wishes of individual producers to goof around a bit. And the former means that the latter can't have any particularly bad effect. Like Sterling says if "Hey Ya" was indie rock it would be good indie rock - it has a better beat and better lines than any of this skiffle-y stuff usually does.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 20 September 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link

I can't really think of any recent indie rock as straightforwardly sincerely sexual as "hey ya" either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 20 September 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

>Aaaannnnndddd sexism.

The girl's only in the video because she's got a great ass. If there was another reason for her presence, she would be facing the camera, instead of pointing her ass at it every time she's seen. So how is appreciating that ass sexist? Should I instead have called her out for her superb delivery of the two lines of dialogue the director gave her?

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

I like that it's in like 11/4, but I'm pretty much a sucker for weird time signature stuff in pop songs. I'm not sure if I like much else about it, though.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

i have a black nephew. does that count?

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

It's not in 11/4; if it's in any regular time signature, it's 20/4. It's more like 3 measures of 4/4 + 1 of 2/4 + 2 of 4/4

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

well yeah, you added it up right, but that still comes out to 11 half measures in total, whatever you want to call that.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

Math-rap rules!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 September 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

except he's not rapping. but for real, mainstream rap + odd time signatures would seriously be my dream music.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 21 September 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

How about a Twista/Don Caballero collabo!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 21 September 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

no.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 21 September 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

I read a swipe of some article online where Dre was saying that he's sick of rapping, that he's been bumping Coltrane in his car and thinking about chilling out and going to music school, studying jazz and playing saxophone. Yeah.

I can totally understand feeling like that, but I fear the Andre 3000 Quartet album.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

that's not such a leap to make, there's already an octet of Andre's in the video.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

sorry, but I love the song too.

― dan carstens, Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Damn straight.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

If this doesn't beat "In da Club" in Pazz and Jop, there's no justice in the world. "Hey Ya" is without question the single of the year.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

the song is so amazingly rad it's hard to comprehend

― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Wow. You don't get much "rad" anymore. That's high praise.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:09 (twenty years ago) link

Great name, man!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:09 (twenty years ago) link

Indeed. Welcome, Mr. President.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link

Kenan I certainly don't doubt for one minute that "Hey Ya" is your own personal favorite single of the year, but how can you call it a better single than "In Da Club"? By what criteria!? Do you think the "single of the year, without question" should have any other qualities to it besides you liking it?

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

Not really, but if I must qualify it -- there's more going on. More innovation. More hook. That chorus. Oh, man. "Shake it like a polaroid picture." See, I've shaken it lots of ways, even like a horny pony (had to do a lot of guessing on that one), but I never even THOUGHT to shake it like a polariod picture. That's some vicious shakin' right there.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:25 (twenty years ago) link

hey i still like 'hey ya' despite it's incredibly annoying unavoidability but 'more innovation'????????!!!!!!! what's remotely innovative about it?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

i really really really dispute the 'more going on' part also, but anyways

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, come on! Acoustic guitar, drums, and handclaps drive the whole song. It's so simultaneously spare and generous, it's positively Prince-like. And even a little bit brave.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

thank you Blount! but also, innovation as criteria for a great single ("single of the year" even) ? Kenan are you one of those guys who plays Squarepusher at parties??

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:32 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure what that means, but no. Also, what makes you think I'm offering a definitive opinion? I'm flattered, but really.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

also, I'd dispute that merely having a sung chorus means "more hook" in 2003

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

acoustic guitars!!!! holy shit - why didn't we think of this before!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Hey kenan, I think he just called you a C0RNY 1ND13 FUXXXOR!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

It's got hook all over the place! The verses, the chorus, AND the coda! Hooks to spare!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:36 (twenty years ago) link

the guitar in 'in da club' is PROFOUNDLY more 'innovative' than the guitar in 'hey ya'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

Whew, I forgot this thread was old, I thought Trife was back. Thank christ.

single of the year!

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

Blount, are you arguing this because you think "In Da Club" is a better song, or because you don't think much of "Hey Ya"?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

Hey kenan, I think he just called you a C0RNY 1ND13 FUXXXOR!!!

Yeah, I know where he's going with this. He's calling me soft and easily influenced by the appearance of a guitar. Soon we'll be having another godforsaken argument about black vs. white music or some such nonsense.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:40 (twenty years ago) link

I love it, btw.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:43 (twenty years ago) link

I beyond love it. I think it's kind of amazing. At this point in time, from this band, making these sounds... well, maybe it's a shame that there's no rapping on it, because it feels a little like Andre is trying to leave that behind (come back, daddy!). And the album as a whole is spotty (not to be confused with spottieottiedopaliscious), but I won't get into that. This one song is perfect in every way.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

At this point in time, from this band, making these sounds...

What do you mean by this?

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

again, i LIKE 'hey ya' (although i am very tired of it and i never got tired of 'in da club', which was even more unavoidable)(so maybe i DO like 'in da club' better though it's not by a huge margin like say '21 questions' vs. 'roses'), but 'innovative'? 'brave'? is it innovative and brave just cuz it's a hip-hop artist doing a frank black song? cuz there's no way that doing a frank black song is innovative or brave in and of itself in 2003. maaaaaaybe you could argue that it's innovative or groundbreaking to get a frank black song played on hip-hop radio (maaaaybe)(and i'm taking it on faith it has been played on hip-hop radio - i still ain't heard it there) but if it has it isn't cuz hip-hop radio has let powerpop into it's heart, andre has shown us the light, it's cuz outkast are huge fucking stars and starpower can lube any hole (cf. van hagar's 'finish what ya started' which got aor luv but didn't change any formats for longer than the length of the song). i like 'hey ya' and agree it's catchy ('infectious' even) but, quoth jimmy, come on. i mean, come on.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

It's not a Frank Black record, it's s Stax record!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:57 (twenty years ago) link

Well, both, really.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:57 (twenty years ago) link

What do you mean by this?

Outkast has been at the top of the game since just about the get-go, rhyming like fucking thunderstorms, and gradually, album by album, throwing more shit into the mix. But they've always had this southern soul backbone, and the new album feels like them saying, what if we forget rhyming? What if we go as far as we want with just this sound we've been leaning on, just the soul? And let's do it now, while no one's going to look down on us for emphasizing the production and whatnot, let's do it while we can get away with it. (Jay-Z, same deal -- it's all about the producer in 2003.) And the album has mixed results, to be sure. But "Hey Ya" nails it... acid and funk and gospel thrown into one stew, high and mighty.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, and acoustic guitar.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

would it have been less or more unavoidable if it'd sounded like ms. jackson?

(alternate question: how unavoidable was it that andre would make a record that sounded like this?)

― tom west (thomp), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

More unavoidable, less interesting.

And maybe Andre's album only sounds unavoidable now that we've heard it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:10 (twenty years ago) link

'ms. jackson' didn't seem nearly as unavoidable as this track, though it went to number one (whereas i don't think 'hey ya' has) so who knows. than again 'ms. jackson' didn't get nearly the network tv play this thing has ('hey ya' use as bumper music has been discussed elsewhere so i won't retread).

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

Funny you should say "Frank Black" record. I'd never even thought of that. But now you've got me thinking about how much soul music Frank Black must have listened to.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:16 (twenty years ago) link

i mean i don't won't to be like those clueless fuxx in the focus group who bitch 'caw i'm sick of hearing this one bloody unavoidable innit?' about bep or whatever, so i still say i like 'hey ya' even though i actually don't like hearing it NOW (80 times a day is enough) but i'm hardly gonna decide 'oh now it's a bad song' (not saying airplay won't get me to change my mind about a song but only by getting me to notice something i didn't notice before)(i ain't noticed anything about 'hey ya' i didn't notice the second time i heard it) just becuz radio, and tv, and grocery store pa's, and seemingly every free speaker in this land has blasted the thing.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:19 (twenty years ago) link

Would you prefer they blast a song you *don't* like?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:21 (twenty years ago) link

in a way yes cuz then i wouldn't have already played the thing out myself and i know 'well this will be gone soon enough and that will be that' or i can try to figure out 'why is this song so damn huge?' and maybe grow to appreciate it somewhat or a bit more (this kinda happened with me with 'crazy in love') but with this it just transforms it from a song i liked to a song that's been so overplayed/praised/whatevah that any personal meaning or interpretation the thing might've had once has been eroded by overexposure. it's the same reason i don't really react anymore when i hear 'smells like teen spirit'.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

Point taken. I really love "On My Block" by Scarface, but I heard it in a movie trailer tonight. Bleh.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

Kenan OTM.

Plus, this thread was so sad before it was revived. Cultural vacuum! I guess trife is just grooving at those Pow Wows* he attends regularly, eh?

*Sundance? Potlatch? Medicine Wheel? Parse the differences.

Me, I'm white, I like "Hey Ya" a lot, I have mostly white friends, not a choice thing but a cultural accident, but also friends who are Black, Native, Middle Eastern, South East Asian, Indian, Pakistani, etc. I don't choose friends on the basis of race. That would be.... um.... racist? Although, after reading the above shite, my application for Klan membership (an American organisation, btw, ) is now in the mail. Just a hunch, but I think they'll probably turn me down...

IL* is exceptionally bizarre w/r/t race and race issues. Paranoid Zealots R Us?

Relax, maybe? Pick one's battles. Racism is an evil, but so's American world hegemony.

Back to the song: it's great. "In Da Club" is also a very good song, one of the best of '03, but while it's just as self-conscious and self-regarding, it's not quite as garbled and goofy and plain exuberant. But that's an individual taste thing, not some indicator of racial preference, for fuck's sakes.

I mean, ISN'T THIS OBVIOUS!!!???

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

david it would help if you would maybe quote the posts you're talking about so i'd know what the hell you're talking about

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

Everybody in the world loves this song, as far as I can tell

who the fuck are you people?????????

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

If you like Outkast, you hate black people.

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

Blount, just read the entire thread (I know it's long, but there's a whole segment there where the idea of people only liking this song if they're the kinds of people who claim to "have lots of black friends" is bandied around), but here's one very early quote in it, which seemed offensive and judgmental toward the person who claimed they liked the song:

how do you breathe in that cultural vacuum

-- trife (...), September 19th, 2003.

(Ha, I just noticed the name of the original poster is similar to mine... a coincidence, I assure you!)

Otherwise, consider the entire thread as one huge quote.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:18 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.aje.org.uk/daf/graphics/question-mark.gif
where's the love y'all?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I think the flat-out exuberance of "Hey Ya!" is key. There are a lot of singles this year that I like, but none that have put such a wide-ass grin on my face as this one -- and that has nothing to do with innovation or bravery or acoustic guitars or the fact that I'm white: it just makes me happy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:24 (twenty years ago) link

heaven forbid that people like pop music because it is fun and catchy.

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

(jaymc and Nihilsit Pop Star) Exactly.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:27 (twenty years ago) link

Why did you start your "Hey Ya"-defending post with this and then become angry and say that the song has nothing to do with "I have black friends" people?

heaven forbid that people like pop music because it is fun and catchy.

Sterling's cultural-regression-as-radical-subjectivism to thread! ("Oh get off it, I don't like Skrewdriver for any reason, stop analyzing everything all the time, its just good music")

― A.M., Sunday, 14 December 2003 09:44 (twenty years ago) link

Well "In Da Club" makes me feel physically sick, so "Hey Ya" definitely wins on that stance.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 14 December 2003 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

I was bored w/"In Da Club" before it even finshed first time I heard it. I like the intro, tho.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 14 December 2003 10:49 (twenty years ago) link

50's slurred speech salvages "In Da Club" for me, while "Hey Ya" leaves me cold. Single of the year is obviously "Crazy In Love" though. Horns, people, horns.

― Iam Anonentity, Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:06 (twenty years ago) link

I like both "In Da Club" and "Hey Ya!", but I'd take "Ignition (Remix)" over both.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Sunday, 14 December 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

I GET WET I GET WET

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 14 December 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

Wait a second, In Da Club is a great beat and all, but when and how did it become 'innovative'?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

When it became popular. *rethinks this*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not a fan of the 50 cent slurring. He sounds like he's about to fall asleep.

― David Allen, Monday, 15 December 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

I'm kind of surprised how nobody seems to be reacting to "Hey Ya" as anything more than SOUND. Part of the reason why its one of the more affecting songs I've heard this year is the sentiments of it. He's gently breaking up with somebody while the music acknowledges that hey, the beat goes on (not to mention that there will always be caddies, commas, beyonces and lucy lius). I love "In Da Club," which probably sounds better every time I hear it, but "Hey Ya" is frikkin' BITTERSWEET in a way that I rarely hear on the radio (at least tied to music so joyful).

And when did Frank Black ever mix such naked emotion with a beat (and bass - which is just as important as the damn acoustic guitar here) this insistent? If this is a Frank Black number, it's probably the best one ever. I guess I shouldn't be surprised nobody's talked about this any differently than they would an igneous rock since rarely does ILX fess up to any emotional reaction to the music.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

Compared to last year's everybody-puts-it-at-no.1-or-else single "Work It," Andre 3000 stays relatively focused lyrically. For all of her come-on's in the first two verses, she'd all but forgotten us in the third.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

And I'll take "Young And The Hopeless" and "Go With The Flow" over "Hey Ya" for singles of the year. Maybe "Crazy In Love" if not for Jay-Z's time-filling if relatively harmless interlude.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 December 2003 01:04 (twenty years ago) link

that has nothing to do with innovation or bravery or acoustic guitars or the fact that I'm white: it just makes me happy.

It has to do with all those thing for me (save perhaps for being white, although I guess that influences my perception of everything in one way or another), that's why it puts such a grin on my face. If I were just going for catchy, I'd pick "Toxic" as the best of the year. Nevermind that it's not a single. Fuck all that radical subjectivism stuff. I'm capable of it, sure, but seeing as how it's radically subjective, it's not much worth talking about. I mean, if I can't put my finger on why I like it, then I'm just assuming that you trust me. And let's face it, you don't. ("You" being ILM, I guess.)

And Anthony OTM. It is a great lyric, too. A perfect song! Wha'd I say?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

Okay whether or not you agree with the sentiment this trife post is more enjoyable than anything on the Outkast album:

"all the 'i have black friends' ppl ive ever known have been straight racists, usually saying that to defend their batshit racist plan to dismantle welfare or end affirmative action or make hiphop sound like the flaming lips"

so fuck y'all.

(also "shake it like a polariod picture" is growing on me as a smart smart line about regret and sex)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:03 (twenty years ago) link

i recant everything i said above as i now hate this song with a flaming passion shared with few others.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

Very few.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Oh sorry Sonny A. btw, I thought you were Doomie

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

Even though I am oldest of old ILM I still like "Hey Ya!" but no way is it my favourite single this year. Unlike Blount I think ubiquity is as good a reason as any to dislike a track - Hey Ya isn't nearly as ubiquitous here though. Anthony picking up on the bittersweet emo content of it would involve for me listening very hard to something I am enjoying as a Junior Senior style party track - that's not to say there's not a lot of emotion in JS so maybe I'd better find another example.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 15 December 2003 08:45 (twenty years ago) link

I've never heard toddlers sing along with "In Da Club". Plus it's very hard to make a song with so much emotional turmoil and it still be so fun and accurate; this song is that smirk-hiding-the-tears, the night-out-dancing-with-the-ladies-to-try-to-forget-the-one-that's-breaking-your heart. I've heard very few songs in my lifetime that capture the tears-over-a-smile complexity of happysadness so well. "In Da Club" is not one of them.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

In what universe is EITHER "Hey Ya" or "In Da Club" innovative? For fuck's sake, make some black friends.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

These songs aren't even innovative in music-made-by-white-people land!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

People generally don't like really innovative music though, from what I've noticed.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to British radio for the first time last night and within an hour I heard "Hey Ya!" Not that this proves anything. And Tom, you don't have to listen hard at all! It's in the verse lyrics! right there. Nothing lasts forever...we know we're not happy here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

In Da Club, like Ignition (Remix) DOES NOT CARE whether you like it or not, it is a titanium death machine, incredibly popular and ubiquitous and monstrous and gruesome and fucking ace. It no longer matters what anyone thinks about In Da Club, it is bigger than thought or opinion.

Hey Ya is good but is a whimpering puppy in comparison.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Dan is very otm. And so necessary. Ronan too, but Beyonce still shits on Fiddy.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I've developed the nagging feeling that 'Hey Ya!' is getting action in hip hop/house/both (and esp. the 'townie'/'city' types, I guess) clubs b/c the DJs need to make some point about 'diversity'.

This is not necessarily true, but it's gotten to the point that I find it weird, as a multi-genre enthusiast (let alone a black one, if I cared what my Idiot Brother thought or what I once inferred from another friend), that I suspect stuff such as this or the occasional mash-ups I hear. I could blame mash-up suspicion on oversaturation though.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

I do like the song, but I'm putting 'Ghettomusick' in my best singles list instead for sure.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

Barima OTM. "Ghettomusick" >>> "Hey Ya".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

It's nice to see that some people still actually buy singles. "Hey Ya" (b/w "The Way you Move") has actually gone gold, ie., sold more than 500,000 units. It is the only single in the Billboard top 50 to have done so.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm starting to feel almost Geir-like about 'innovation'.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

In what universe is EITHER "Hey Ya" or "In Da Club" innovative? For fuck's sake, make some black friends.

That's not fair. If I say "I have black friends" then I'm one of those guys. I can't win.

And I think I was using "innovative" differently than you are. I know it's essentially a mash-up of at least three distinct and pre-existing styles of music. It's the combination that sounds new to me. Maybe "innovative" isn't the word. Fresh? I don't mean in that Kool and the Gang way... except kinda... oh, I give up.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Sounds like the Chambers Brothers to me, who were pretty innovative -- IN 1968!!!!

(NB I like the song.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with you Kenan, but then I don't have any black friends anymore.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

You didn't kill them, surely?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

He's a member of Death In June.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

NB. I think Belle & Sebastian and the Rapture are innovative - one of my bete noires is thick headed people so desperate to say 'x sounds like a fifth-rate y ripoff' to prove their musical knowledge that they miss all that is joyfully new in the way a record is... phrased?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

'Hey Ya!' was never gonna be 'innovative' after 2 years of listening to Fantasma like a crackhead junkie.

BTW, your experience should be able to be brought to bear without citing the race of your friends. I have few black friends in comparison to the white ones, and I didn't think that mattered shit here.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

You didn't kill them, surely?

No, they all left me after I said I liked an Alicia Keys record.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

In general, I try to avoid the word "innovative" because you can make a case that just about anything is either innovative or not innovative depending on what elements you focus on. And besides, being innovative in itself is not necessarily good. However, I think that "Hey Ya" doesn't sound much like anything else on the charts that it's charting on and the radio stations its getting played on. So give it points for originality, or eccentricity, or whatever you want to call it.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

Environment plays a part in music for sure, but shit, I didn't develop my yen for Japanese hyper-pop through the rich white kids who've been my buds for time. The fuckers would be borrowing/stealing my CDs half the time! Still, a few of them were in the know.

Haha at Nick. You soft.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

so who wants to guess this is pfork's number 1 single of the year tomorrow?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

(this is what is also known as a "suckers bet")

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

i have realized that my relationship with this song runs far deeper than just deeply disliking it, therefore i cannot easily dismiss it.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

Haha at Nick. You soft.

As Andre says, "Everybody needs to quit actin' hard and shit."

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Someone please post a picture of Andi Peters, Urkel or Damon Wayans as Blankman.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

Or maybe that Ma$e pic, then redress the balance with Fiddy.

Actually, the balance IS Andre and Big Boi!

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

hey ya is really an easy excuse for the fork or whoever else we're using as indie satan. i dont mind it but i relate to the hate.

it's sad really, it's not Outkast's fault.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

In approximately six hours a can of worms this big is gonna get opened.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

That's quite a small can, really.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

Thank heaven.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, having a song like 'Hey Ya!' chart in the UK of 2003 isn't innovative on the basis of 'diversity' and 'diversity-from-hip-hoppers' (or whatever stupid speculative term) because this is the same year 'I Luv U' was top 30!

Ronan is still otm. And anyway, I thought the small can had been opened?

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

G C D E

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

dan will you be my black friend?

― andrew s, Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link

Haha that's been my role in life for 31 years, why change now?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:37 (twenty years ago) link

Well shit, man. So when you tell me I need more black friends, you mean yourself? I'd be glad to oblige, you seem pretty cool and all, but do you have to insult me first?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry about that, I was mostly frustrated at the tack the conversation was taking.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

Kenan I will be
your black friend! (memo to self:
don't over-promise)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

You're the whitest black friend a guy could ever have. And I'm touched.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

In lieu of a Black Friend(tm), I can be That Jewish Guy You Occasionally Talk To. Nobody has to know I'm a convert.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 December 2003 06:33 (twenty years ago) link

Feh. I know lots of Jews(tm).

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 18 December 2003 06:37 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone here needs to have more Canadian friends of all races.

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 18 December 2003 07:05 (twenty years ago) link

Plus, is Nick Southall still around?

If so, Nick, I kiss you for your "Hey Ya" piece on Stylus' year-end list!

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 18 December 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Good morning. Thank you!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

"Hey Ya" won Stylus' single of the year because everyone put it 12th in their list.

But Nick's write-up was a hot piece of ass.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

It got one first, one third, and then about 10 fourth and fifth places (only you put it 12th!).

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just pissed no one else voted for Lumidee.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

We should have rigged it so that some interesting things came top 20.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

Like The Darkness?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

I thought it was a good list pretty much - got me to download two things I hadn't heard, can't ask for more than that.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

Hooray!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

Which two?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

Like A Pimp and Through The Wire, not quite sure how I'd missed either cos I remember both of them being talked up on here, but good to be reminded anyway.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

i think i'm already too exhausted with 2003 to even care much about lists and placements at this point.

(btw it's a good thing no one took my pfork bet.)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 18 December 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

i'm still confused as to the "can of worms", however.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 18 December 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just pissed no one else voted for Lumidee.

Only Dom and I voted for it at PFM, Nick - boo to everyone else. (btw, seven of the top nine singles in the pfm/stylus lists are the same) (your second 10 kills ours though.) (fwiw, hey ya was easily the PFM No. 1 -- it was on 14 of 15 ballots, all but mine, and placed first on six of those.)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 18 December 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

I thought for sure Lumidee was going to make it - did this not get played in some markets?

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 18 December 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

I generally shop online so I never hear what's get played in markets.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

the jewel on ashland ave in chicago played it occasionally.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 18 December 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

so does the one on Lincoln near Cullom.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 18 December 2003 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Do they play the "just wanna make you cum-ah" line?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 December 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

only in the produce section

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 18 December 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

A quick Google search confirms my suspicions: am I the only person to realise that the line is actually "Now all the Beyoncés and Lucy Lius and Baby Dolls", not "baby dolls". It's a reference to Baby Doll, the former Dusty Rhodes wrestling valet (qf Outkast's earlier "Drop them 'bows like Dusty Rhodes".

This does make it the greatest pro-wrestling name drop in music history.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

I hope so. it certainly makes it more exciting.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 1 January 2004 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

uh, I'm pretty sure it's referring to Aaliyah.

― adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 1 January 2004 08:13 (twenty years ago) link

outkast have become the flaming lips for the 'i have black friends' set

Grrr...

i'm-a-rapper-but-i'm-trying-to-make-a-wacky-indie-rock-type-song

Grrrrr......

i still like 'hey ya' despite it's incredibly annoying unavoidability

GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You people are horrible!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 1 January 2004 08:20 (twenty years ago) link

Grrrrrrrr, so fuckin' what I danced the fuck soooooo much tonioght! It's new fuckin' years evvve. So what now????

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 1 January 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago) link

(makes knife motion with left hand) Cut him off.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 1 January 2004 08:49 (twenty years ago) link

you best be nt cutttin' me offf!!!!

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 1 January 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago) link

I've never heard "Hey Ya!" in the Jewel on Ashland! Then again, I only go there to get gauze! I only went to the one on Lincoln the other day! I got champagne! It was hard to find but it was pretty good!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 January 2004 09:30 (twenty years ago) link

The "you know what to doooo" part sounds like Zappa.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 1 January 2004 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

Zapppa snapppa.you suck!!1

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 1 January 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago) link

go away

― billstevejim, Thursday, 1 January 2004 09:59 (twenty years ago) link

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 1 January 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

the song also seems kind of mid-late 090s, that genre-hopping thing, 'eclecticism' etc (the bane of the 90s sadly, making everything a muddy nothing, the excreble Beck etc), so in a way this record seems kind of quaint now, a throwback to that time, and, of course, also a throwback to 1970s sitcom music, which is what this sounds like to me.

1970s sitcom music can be a good thing, but i would say not in the case of this record, which feels too much like a spoof of some unknown american comedy show which never travelled across the Atlantic

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 January 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link

What genres does it hop? Funk and pop?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 January 2004 11:45 (twenty years ago) link

Yr prob joking anyway, nice one

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 January 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not bored of it yet!

(ps it must be a pop song because I hate indie rock.)

― cis (cis), Thursday, 1 January 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link

i like hey ya and i like outkast, what i've heard of them. i don't know any black people, except for some people on ilx. i live in new zealand. maybe i should join the kkk. is there really something wrong with me for liking this song? if so, please explain it to me. i like it so much i stole some of the lyrics and put them in my own song. i can't really hear any white indy rockness in it, but maybe i just haven't heard enough music to know that. it makes me think of motown more than anything.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 1 January 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

and what of alicia keys, you dont know my name. do people think some of the things said about hey ya hold true for that record too? instinctively, i feel that there may be similarities between the 2, but that hey yas detractors might find merit in the alicia keys record (though this might be because i feel that way myself to an extent)

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 January 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

This is mildly amusing:

http://www.liquidgeneration.com/poptoons/saddam_outkast.asp

(Saddam Is An Outkast: "Hey Allah")

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

diary of a hey ya fan

― vajpayee/musharraf, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

― america's first municipal lunatic asylum (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, what's the Lush song that "hey ya" blatantly bites?

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

um, can't think of one. Ladykiller?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

Oh fuck, I wanted to read the thread but there was SO MUCH IDIOCY and fucking dipshit potshots. Hating on the 'I have black friend[ster]s' set is just dick-measuring. I don't actually know anyone like that anyway, presumably it's an incredibly reductive simplification, who knows.

Agree with trife on the idea of Outkast's fanbase being folks who not only make a point of telling you they have black friends, but can count/list those friends if asked.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah, being able to count your friends = clearly racist. Has this actually happened though? Have you asked them to list their black friends, and have they been able to?

Anyway
1) wtf, the song is not like the Flaming Lips
2) stop judging songs on who listens to them!
3) i was going off it, but i listened to it today, and it's still good so nerr.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

"Barima OTM. "Ghettomusick" >>> "Hey Ya". "

Hey Ya actually ended up just under 'Ghettomusick' in my singles list. Obv. 2003 is very dead, but I wrote it up at work to distract myself and might revive one of the '03 threads for it.

Also, when making my Cornelius comparisons, I should have pointed out that even the sleevenotes (the 'New Music Machine' pic of Keigo as a 60s band) pre-empt 'Hey Ya's' video! Even the back cover does too!

"uh, I'm pretty sure it's referring to Aaliyah."

That's 'Baby Girl'.

And finally, it was funny how no one asked me to be their black friend, either because Dan is cooler, I'm exclusively Stevem's black mate or because not many of ya know I'm black!

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

"outkast have become the flaming lips for the 'i have black friends' set"

Trife, the guys on your CD covers don't count.

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

I finally got to hear 'Hey Ya' 'cos they're using it as the music for a really annoying Chris Moyles tv trailer. The rec it reminds me most of, in terms of feel-good cultural reach rather than 'innovative' sound or whatnot, is 'Groove is in the Heart' by Dee-Lite - a crowdpleaser, a party rec that appeals to pop fans, corny indie fucks, hip-hop fans, jaded old farts like me...

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago) link

Andrew L OTM.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

It's being used as music for the TV trailer to the new Adam Sandler film, too. Ow my head.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

Hey i listen to outkast everyday and i love it sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo M U C H ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

― Carrie Mclaughlin, Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

Download The Blankett's cover version of 'Hey Ya'. You've gotta love Canadian art rock.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link

is that hot hot heat?

― tweemu (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 17 January 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

I dont know if I love or hate the blanket, but its nowhere in between

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 17 January 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago) link

Love. Love! LOVE! LOVE!

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 17 January 2004 05:58 (twenty years ago) link

This song is fine, i'm really bored of it by now, but it was great for a long time. It reminds me a lot of the Buggle's "Video Killed the Radio Star" in the sheer volume of hooks and memorable parts.

― applepie baseball, Saturday, 17 January 2004 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

Inescapable on tv in Rome for some reason.

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

What time signature is this in? Someone just asked me cos they reckon it's not standard 4/4 and I've not got a copy to hand to check.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

It's a repeated sequence: three bars of 4/4, one of 2/4, two of 4/4.

― cis (cis), Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:37 (twenty years ago) link

Excellent. Thanks!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

One of the few things I miss about the radio now that my Walkman headphones broke is hearing "Hey Ya" everyday. I've only got the album on 2 blank tapes - I fuckin' need to get the damn CD already.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 January 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

I have never heard this song and I want to download it. What does it mean when soulseek returns "big boi - hey ya.mp3" and "andre3000 - hey ya.mp3"? I am also openly racist.

― Adm Michel (adam michel), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Ya, Charlie Brown!

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

http://dreamwaveprod.ca/!newsite/images/news/contests/bubblescontest/contestpage03.jpg

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 23 January 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha ha

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

I thought it was in 11/4? I've counted that and it seems to work out.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

1-2-3-4
2-2-3-4
3-2-3-4
4-2
1-2-3-4
2-2-3-4

Cis OTM.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

― yeah_right, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

You all are a bunch of racist!!! And who ever made that commment about that beat belonging to white people....yeah right! You wish the white folks came up with beats like that. White people have always stolen beats from the blacks and then turn around and put ya'll name on it. YOU ALL WHO HATE OUTKAST ARE JUST JEALOUS!

― yeah right, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to an instrumental which confirmed my initial estimation that this is essentially a pitched-up Beck song. How this translated into one of the best things ever is beyond me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 31 January 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

I never heard the Beck comparison, but I agree completely.
It's a great track, but IMO the crowd-rousing section
keeps it from greatness.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Saturday, 31 January 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

first off, Beck with a quicker, tighter beat is a better Beck (nothing on Midnite Vultures has this much propulsive energy). Second, Beck's lyrics are nowhere as effective. For every genuinely humorous free-association there's usually a couple of mere gibberish. Plus Andre is more successfully emotive and spirited vocally. If anything it's more like "Strange Relationship" mixed with "Housequake."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 January 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ha. I was listening to 'Housequake' today. So agreed. But the gospel/Mahalia Jackson inflected euphoria kill the Beck thing dead for me. So - Disagreed with the Beck interpretation. Beck is America's intellectual fool and alt-trump card!

"His like Dylan, you see, but only more *inventive*.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 1 February 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Beck is Bowie + timidity inspired by self-awareness. Which sucks.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Man, you're so full of shit.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 1 February 2004 01:42 (twenty years ago) link

explain!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 February 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

I love Beck to death, but don't really mind when people don't
get him -
1. "Hey Ya" is definitely tighter than Beck (who is
scattershot and hyper-diverse). Tighter,
simpler, and more repetitive. But if you're looking for
propulsive, dismissing "Sexx Laws" and "Hollywood Bizness"
is a huge mistake.
2. Andre 3000 is indeed more energetic than Beck, but I would
never call him either man emotive, by any stretch. Judged purely
as singers, they're both fairly weak.
3. Beck's lyrics have always been impenetrable gibberish, and
only occasionally funny. His 1 sustained attempt to "get
serious," _Sea Change_, resulted in blandness.
A3K is probably a better lyricist, but only when he tries.
I've always considered "Hey Ya" a cheap throwaway,
lyrically speaking.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 1 February 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

i've only just seen that Transformers thing - god bless the internet

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 1 February 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, "Hey Ya" will take the Pepsi Challenge with "Sexxlaws" and "Mixed Bizness" any day of the week. And I'm not sure where exactly I don't get Beck.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 February 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

Well on the other hand "Get Real Paid" > 95% of all electroclash ever, two years before everyone started dorking over electroclash, SO THERE I WIN

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

anyone who has heard 95% of all electroclash ever is not a winner. And "Hollywood Freaks" and "Debra" are the real masterpieces on Midnite Vultures, y'all.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Beck is a collage. That's his thing. He's going to stumble upon something. I like Beck when he is imitating Skip Spence on Mutations not Serge. Sexx Laws was a fucking freaking mess. Play Sexx Laws and Sign o'The Times and y'all see what I mean.

― Jimmy the Not Logged In Saint, Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

Skip Spence None The Richer?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Play "Sexx Laws" and any Wiseguys song and y'all etc etc etc

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

The Wiseguys had more than one song?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

My inner 20-year-old would like to note that Midnute Vultures IS like Sign O' The Times II. My inner 22 and 23 year-olds are currently kicking the shit out of him.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

Even though Eye Yamataka did the Midnite Vultures art, I still can't like Beck -

YOU CORNY INDIE FUCKS.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Sunday, 1 February 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

Haha, the Wiseguys *remixed* 'Sexx Laws'.

And "Hollywood Freaks" and "Debra" are the real masterpieces on Midnite Vultures, y'all.

Not entirely true ('Nicotine and Gravy' and yeah, 'Get Real Paid'), but the Dust Brothers rule all.

Also, 'Play In The Sunshine' kills 'Hey Ya!' and practically any other SOTT track mentioned thus far.

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

Some sorority here is using OUTKAST lyrics on their rush flyers LOL

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

Haha, the Wiseguys *remixed* 'Sexx Laws'.

And I forgot! And I own the 12"!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, these people exist, and they might be annoying to you, but what is the point of criticizing them? They have a lot to learn about race. We all do.

-- Sonny A. (newaddres...), September 19th, 2003.

Hate is a four letter word, so is love. Which one will you teach your children?

― David Schwimmer, Monday, 2 February 2004 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

Peace. I've been a fan of Outkast since, "Southernplayalisticadillacmusick". I remember songs they had on the "New Jersey Drive", "Higher Learning", "Soul Food", and "Any Given Sunday" soundtracks. I have to admit that their sounds and lyrics have changed dramatically over the years. Andre, on a song called, "Ain't no thang" says, "3-5-7 to ya' fo' head, they'll be mo' dead, 'cause i'm a pro ked, but, lord, forgive me, I gotta keep my milli right here near me, my nine be doing fine until these niggas want to clear me off my street...". Then, two years later, he says on a song called, "Atliens", "Shh, Shh, softly, as if I play piano in the dark, found a way to channel my anger, not to embark, the world's a stage and everybody gots to play they part, God works in mysterious ways, so when he starts the job of speaking through us, we be so sincere with this here, no drugs or alcohol so we can get the signal clear, this day, Put my gloc awayI found a stronger weapon that never runs out of ammunition, so, I'm ready for war, Ok?" Change. Dynamic Change, something that all human beings go through, consciously or unconsciously. Outkast are two human beings. There's a strong possibility that they may go through changes, some we understand, some we may not understand. That's life. Sometimes we understand it, sometimes we don't. I think the reason why Outkast has been called by some, "the most important Hip Hop Group right now" (Talib Kweli just said that yesterday here in Pittsburgh, Pa. at the University of Pittsburgh, where he gave a lecture), is because of the fearlessness to embrace change in public and to have the creative control of their music that so many Hip Hop entertainers lack. I think it's also because Dre and Big Boi appear to be so different, but maintain a steady relationship with each other. They embrace each other's differences, celebrate them, and have become an example of what an unconditional loving relationship can create. I truly feel that that's the biggest appeal, their individual differences and their similar goal: Musical expansion and celebration of it. Outkast has done that very well, especially in an era when Hip Hop is so separated from each other. I have a best friend name Jamaal. I've known him since 1989. We've had our differences, debates, arguments, etc. But, we've never lost love for each other or trust for each other. We're still kicking strong today as a wonderful friendship, performing together (we're Spoken word, Hip Hop artists, as well as actors), and being there for each other unconditionally, despite all differences. We have one goal and one vision for our relationship: to help each other experience the grandest version of the greatest vision we've ever held about ourselves. Our relationship is weird to a lot of our peers. We're usually the "Outkast" of our peers. So, I can definitely relate to Outkast in that respect and I can understand why so many people, their original fan base and those who became fans, possibly after "Stankonia" feel them so much. The original fan base was East Point, College Park, and SouthWest Atlanta Too Strong (SWATS). They were folks who felt alienated, ignored, discriminated against, misunderstood, and outcasted, which is why they called themselves, "Outkast" in the first place. But, these feelings can be related to by many outside Georgia's "Dirty South". Thus, you have white people, black people, etc. all relating to Outkast now. And it's not because Outkast are being influenced by "white music" now. People who make comments like that are obviously not "true" Hip Hop fans, folks who know about Afrika Bambaataa and Soulsonic Force, Stetsasonic, Whodini, Run DMC, Public Enemy, The Bomb Squad, folks who were doing things in Hip Hop that were considered "weird" a long time ago (in Hip Hop years), but took Hip Hop to another plane and embraced all the elements that were responsible for it's birth, which included Jazz, Funk, Rock, Reggae, Blues, Folk, Poetry, etc. When I read some of these threads, it's obvious to me that some of you only started really listening to Hip Hop a couple of years ago orlistened to Hip Hop for years, but was not a part of the culture. And by the way, the sound that Dre uses in, "Hey Ya!" is not a "white sound". It seems like some of you only know about white rock artists. Chuck Berry, have you ever heard of him? Prince, have you every heard of him? Jimi Hendrix, have you ever heard of him? These are some of the artists that have inspired Dre and Big Boi. But, even if some of the artists are white that have inspired them, SO WHAT? Music is music, a tear is a tear, a smile is a smile, a hug is a hug...

― Proppa Ezrakation, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

but tell us how you really feel.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I just spun "Hey Ya" at a wedding & the floor filled.

― Richardstone, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

HEY YA!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

HEEEEEEEY YAAAAA!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Special tick of shame goes to the DJ at Popscene, the world's worst nightclub night, who decided that the obvious track to mix into "Hey Ya" was "Come As You Are". Well done you.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

I LOVE YOU YOU ARE TOOOOOOOO DAM SEXY

― TuVache Rochell Sullivan, Thursday, 19 February 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

Dom has an admirer!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

you rock geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee word

― jeromy cole, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

hey ya rules. you like it?if you dont LEAVE this chat NOW.

― bob, Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

haha "chat"

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha "chat"

XPOST!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

Great minds etc.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

hey ya rules. you like it?if you dont LEAVE this chat NOW.

SO SAYS "poohead_48"!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

haha!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

omg lol!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

The saddest thing is that 47 other people beat him to that name.

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

i got the lyrics

― me, Friday, 5 March 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

no i was just finished outting them in when i got that one stupid this dosn't look like a reall email adress

― , Friday, 5 March 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

bloody google ruined the internet if you ask me

― …, Friday, 5 March 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

this thread has been making me laugh a great deal.
I didn't like hey ya, then i heard it a few times and then i liked it a whole lot.
I also find the transformers pic very funny, but the lyrics are all screwed up.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 March 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

maybe it's just me but.. what the HELL does liking a song have to do with what color your friends are? you like outkast, BIG DEAL but what does that have to do with anything?

― un known, Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe this has been brought up already, and forgive me if so....but I just realized that the "band" are playing around a CASKET (albeit a funky green one) in the video. What's up with that?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

what i don't know what is it?

― Nadia, Thursday, 11 March 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

Yo, You Guys Are The Bomb . I Love Your CD's . "Hey Ya,And, Rose's" Are My Favorite . See Ya Yo ! P.S. You Guys Are Really Hot !

― Brooklyn Albrecht, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

Yo, You Guys Are The Bomb . I Love Your CD's . "Hey Ya,And, Rose's" Are My Favorite . See Ya Yo ! P.S. You Guys Are Really Hot !HEY YA!

― Brooklyn Albrecht, Thursday, 15 April 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

Would you kill for us?

― andre 3000 (Oops), Thursday, 15 April 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~sb/mash/IDC - Ya Mug.mp3

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

or even

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 16 April 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago) link

i love music.

― juaisa yun, Friday, 16 April 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

Look im a fan a rappers but im kinda sick of when rappers say bad words im like its not nessacary to say bad words....like for example... u kno 50 cent and his song... it goes like this but.....i dont kno what u heard abt me but a bitch cant get a dollar outta me no cadillac no perms cant u see that im a motherfucking pimp and im like whoa 3 bad words in a verse.... thats wrong it teaches teenagers to say bad word im mean why dont all the rappers in the world cut down bad words... nuttin will happen.... have faith in god god walks wit yall everyday man peace out!!!!

― Krystal Johnson, Saturday, 17 April 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

YO ANDRE AND BOI AND SLEEPY BROWN AND KILLER MIKE WAT UP I KNOW I GAVE U GUYS A LOTTA SHIT LAST YEAR CUZ LIKE YOU WERE WRITING BAD PETE SHELLEY SOLO B-SIDEZ AND LAME 80S CHEEZ-E SOUL BUT IT WUX JUST CUZ YOU ONC3 MEANT SO MUCH TA ME. ANYWAY I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOLLA AND I REALLY LIKES "ROSES" A LOT ACTUALLY THO I THINK THE VIDEO HELPS

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 17 April 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...

Read through this again and still laughing and curious to revive now that the blood and thunder has subsided.
Any last thoughts on the subject?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I have the 'display 50 most recent messages' thing newly set up and this was the way the thread began for me:

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Man, you're so full of shit.

-- Squirrel_Police (goblinatri...), February 1st, 2004 5:42 PM

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That looks like someone else's Excelsior material.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), February 1st, 2004 1:43 AM. (Anthony Miccio)

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

This re-contextualization of threads holds all sorts of new elcelsior possiblities.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

excelsior

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

This re-contextualization of threads holds all sorts of new elcelsior possiblities.
-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), August 22nd, 2004.

Happy?

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Sunday, 22 August 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Years ago, I worked a summer job in a Best Buy-type store that had a laser disc (remember those?) of Forrest Gump on auto-repeat. I must have seen the damn thing - completely out of sequence - about 300 times, and I could not have been happier when the place changed hands and the entire staff (myself included) was let go.

I kind of feel the same way about "Hey Ya". Despite the fact that this song has been playing in every clothing store, taxi cab, and pay toilet I've been in over these past 16 months, I have never heard this song in its entirety, and thus am sick of it without ever having properly experienced it.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh! Buy the album!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Heard it on the radio yesterday for the first time in a while and thoroughly enjoyed it.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

trife is a goddamn moron.

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 August 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently he isn't. His friends tell us so.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

If 'Hey Ya!' had come out ages ago, the 'Why Does Black People Never Want To Rock' thread would've looked very different. 'Why Does Black People Never Want To Rock To Non-Outkast?' maybe.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, it was worth reading all the bullshit early in this thread to get to the part where Proppa Ezrakation spelled it all out in earnest detail somewhere about February. Best Google-in ever! Come back, Proppa!

My $.02: I liked Hey Ya, but reached saturation point early in its run. And I want Frank Black to be my friend.

― briania (briania), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, Proppa kind of knocks everyone else dead on this thread.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought trife was alright until he started bitching about scare quotes and I found this in the archives:

oh, and 'romeo must die soundtrack' was a mixup (i had just listened to it when i wrote that, actually). i was TRYING to say 'the nutty professor two soundtrack', which was too commercial and 'jiggy' to fit into my musical tastes last summer, until i found it and stole it and now i love it (and more tracks than i said in my article: the eve track is fantastic, the dmx one is mostly great, etc.)

-- ethan padgett (epadget...), March 1st, 2001.

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't mind him really, I took his best of '03 list and picked up tons of shit from Amoeba using it as a reference

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

oh c'mon that's the worst anti-trife argument ever

― artiste (artiste), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I know.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, I just dl'ed and listened to "Hey Ya" front to back. It's really VERY good, but the aforementioned overplay has kinda spoiled it for me. That said, I have a feeling I'm going to hear this some time next year and have it push ALL the right buttons in me.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 28 August 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

this song makes the cif's go crazy with the justifications doesnt it

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Outkast = Wilco?

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf is a cif?

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

cif = corny indie feck

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

You see in Europe it's lemion cleaning fluid.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Or someting. Lemon something. Used to be called Jif in the Uk but Spaniards couldn't pronounce it so they changed the name.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.doctordanger.com/projects/honda/strip/cif.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link

WARNING
http://www.amic.cz/press/logo/cif%20logo_web.jpg
WARNING

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the one!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

omg that needs to be a badge

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Saturday, 28 August 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"this song makes the cif's go crazy with the justifications doesnt it "

Really hoping that wasn't directed at me, as I'm about as indie as Rick Schroeder (I'm about as ghetto as Rick Schroeder, but that's another story).

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 28 August 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

That should read (I'm ALSO about as ghetto as Rick Schroeder, but that's another story). ALSO: Good Lord I'm tired this morning...

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 28 August 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

NOTE TO DJS, THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO START PLAYING CRAZY IN LOVE AGAIN

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

or Toxic

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha - I avoided 'Hey Ya' but played both 'Crazy In Love' and 'Toxic' when I DJed at a friend's party recently. I was playing for over five hours, though, so maybe I can be forgiven.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Top 10 things to say to someone who requests 'Hey Ya':

1. "Never heard of it, sorry"

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

2. "I won't play that - it's racist"

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

3. "Sorry - I'm only playing popular stuff tonight"

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I only played Toxic because I suddenly realised I'd underrun by five minutes and YOU KNOW THAT FULL WELL STEVEM.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

well *that* has made my day, as i never liked it much in the first place!!

i fckng LOVE popjustice. i wonder how i ever lived without it.

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

4. "I've already played it six times!"

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.popjustice.co.uk/ivestoppeddancing.gif

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

5. "Erm.. I've got the Will Young version, will that do?"

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i still heart that peanuts/snoopy video tho

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

There is a Will Young version?

(Why has Milkshake not joined this particular club yet, incidentally?)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt, ignorance is most definitely bliss.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly Jamie Cullum missed a trick here.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Nooo the Will Young version is great.

Milkshake is BETTER than Hey Ya, Crazy In Love and Toxic, that's why.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Because Milkshake never quite reached the same level of utter ubiquity as HY and CIL. Also, it came out a little later. And what The Lex says as well, obv.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Why has Milkshake not joined this particular club yet, incidentally?

Because the public prefers 'All This Time', obviously.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Just so you know, I will be spending the rest of the week listening to nothing BUT "Hey Ya" to make up for all of you haters/fatigue victims.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, it's still better than anything else off The Love Below. (Apart from "Dracula's Wedding".)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Like The Way You Move" is on Tiger Woods 2005!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Songs on The Love Below that are better than "Hey Ya":

Dracula's Wedding
Prototype (possibly the best song on the album)
Spread
She Lives In My Lap
A Day In The Life Of Andre Benjamin

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Prototype" is BORING, "She Lives In My Lap" is icky, "A Day In The Life..." is nice enough but not so much that I'd dig it out to listen to again, and I can't even remember "Spread".

"Dracula's Wedding" is super-funky-awesome though.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"She Lives In My Lap" is icky

Hahaha okay we are just not going to agree here!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I forgot "Vibrate".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So did I, though I suspect for different reasons!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(btw, did you ever see my response to you on the thread about DC's new single?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(because, you know, I like rubbing things in? Christ, moderators please delete me.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(what, about Kelly having sung like five verses in the history of DC songs? yes!)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

(It's more like 35% but yeah.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(oh well! But Beyoncé's definitely mellowed this time round - I think Kelly's the one in the middle in all group shots now. Incidentally, there was a very funny moment on... some TV interview or other where they were asked whether they'd all be going their separate ways again after this album. Michelle giggled nervously, and Kelly was about to say something, but Beyoncé leapt in with: "Yes, it'll definitely be Beyoncé, Kelly and Michelle time afterwards.")

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(Haha! Poor Beyonce needs to get married while Jay-Z is still going through his "despite my money and fame I am still far too ugly for this woman" phase.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Also known as his "closeted phase".

'Toxic'>>>>>every other overplay victim.

― Be sure to Moebius Loop! Moebius Loop! Moebius Loop! Moebius Loop! (Barima), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(or before Beyoncé dumps his retired ass for a man with a job!)

(xpost)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"FACT!
OUTKAST MAY WELL BE AMONG VERY FEW TRUE INNOVATORS
IN AN OTHERWISE STAGNANT FIELD."

Oh get over yourselves you limey twerps

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

you know what's better than 'Hey Ya'? 'Gasoline Dreams'! man i must've listened to that track.....twice!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate I'm fairly sure that was a joke.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Popjustice have rarely said nice things about hip hop, M (did you get my e-mail last week, dammit?).

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I still think "Hey Ya" is a classic. I've never grown sick of it. That said I don't really dance to it. I walk to work hearing it on the radio. Admittedly they don't play it on the half-hour anymore.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i haven't heard it in quite awhile

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's due a rerelease.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps they could do a Christmas version of it like Las Ketchup did with "Aserje".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hey Yule!"

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

She Lives in My Lap totally kills Hey Ya.

― Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

haha they played Hey Ya last night and I totally danced to it!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Barima - yes, I got email the other day. Thanks for the MP3 - sadly as I am an absent-minded fule I forgot to actually listen to it. Will do so in the next couple of days.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Part of the endless appeal for "Hey Ya" for me (aside from musical elements) is that if I'm down I can focus on the lyrics during the first two minutes, and if I'm happy I can focus on the last two.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Man shoots roommate for singing 'Hey Ya' in shower.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 April 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I was hoping that'd be a news article!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why does Jess hate OutKast so much?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Jess ain't the man you go to for rapturous reactions to hyped follow-ups. Never invite him to a "listening party."

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

plus he ain't gonna hand out cookies for sloppy Sign O' The Times demos when all he wants is more Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik. I will though!

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

does he give a high-five to the camera at the end? why don't more people do that?

― irrigation can save your people (irrigation can save your peopl), Monday, 18 April 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Overrated thread

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 17 March 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i like to think that this is still ILM's favourite single of the 00s

― blueski, Monday, 17 March 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

wow, people really had their heads way up their asses here

― The Reverend, Monday, 17 March 2008 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I've actually ADDED this into my rotation of iPod tracks as of a few months ago. Why the hell was I so down on this song???

― Tantrum The Cat, Friday, 12 September 2008 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Not enough flanged guitars in this track

― Fer Ark, Friday, 12 September 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

The two big influences on this song according to Andre 3000? The Ramones and the Buzzcocks' Singles Going Steady album.

I remember that piece of trivia from an EW interview with the band around the time the song was blowing up.

― Cunga, Monday, 11 January 2010 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link

No wonder it was so beloved by college radio types.

― viborg, Monday, 11 January 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

The definitive version of Hey Ya can be found at 1'43'' here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItMJtA8vfpw&feature=player_embedded

― Alba, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow, that would be excruciating enough if they could sing.

― A brownish area with points (chap), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont like the song very much. i agree with trife regarding the flaming lips comment. but i also think it has initiated some really interesting discussions regarding tokenism etc, and the people who like the record have said interesting stuff as well
the song also seems kind of mid-late 090s, that genre-hopping thing, 'eclecticism' etc (the bane of the 90s sadly, making everything a muddy nothing, the excreble Beck etc), so in a way this record seems kind of quaint now, a throwback to that time, and, of course, also a throwback to 1970s sitcom music, which is what this sounds like to me.

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, January 1, 2004 6:36 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is kinda otm.

first time i heard this song i pictured it getting MTV2 rotation for a few weeks and zero radio play before they came with some bigger better follow-up hit, still kind of bitter that that didn't happen.

― some dude, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

this song's time signature is soooo visionary

― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

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