einstuerzende neubauten: classic or dud?

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einstuerzende neubauten: classic or dud?

kali devi, Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic. Some hills and valleys in the quality department, but there is truly no one like them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

cllllllllllllllllllllllllllassssicc

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

they put the ass in classic.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

also classic because my guitar teacher started yelling at me when I brought in a cassette of Drawings Of OT for a guitar lesson when I was 14.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"ICH BINS!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 September 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

classic and anyone who tells you different should be fitted with a cast iron trucker hat filled with hot coals.

your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 14 September 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

They could beat the shit out of Nitzer Ebb in a fistfight, that's for sure.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 14 September 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I was finally going to get to see Blixa this year, but he left the Bad Seeds right before the tour started...to which I say DUD!

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Sunday, 14 September 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't listen to the early noisiest stuff except 2 x 4 which is classic as fuck. Haus Der Luege, Ende Neu = classic and I need to hear the rest.

sucka (sucka), Sunday, 14 September 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

classic! their new stuff is great also

i interviewed blixa two weeks ago -- he's a really nice guy!

geeta, Sunday, 14 September 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

love the earliest stuff, Strategien 80-83 is my fav release. they were great all the way through to Tabula Rasa, kicks the shit out of PTV, Coil and the Cabs' attempts at conventionality from the same time. Blixa's voice has since morphed into that of my old German teacher :(.

fcussen (Burger), Sunday, 14 September 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost great but for Blixa's inexcusably weedy voice

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 14 September 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost great but for Blixa's inexcusably weedy voice


??!!!!?? - are you insane?

stirmonster, Sunday, 14 September 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

yes he is.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 14 September 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No he's not.

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 14 September 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I did a project on Einstürzende Neubaten for German when I was about fourteen, without ever hearing anything by them. Still haven't heard a note of their stuff, but now I know that they lived in a bunker and hit pieces of metal together!

cis (cis), Sunday, 14 September 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic all the way. I was initially bewildered when Tabula Rasa came out (ie. suspicions of selling out arose in my 15-year old mind), but since then I've grown to rate their second period stuff as truly class. Silence is Sexy and the 3rd Strategies vs Architecture are both pretty essential.

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 15 September 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

tabula rasa is the nuts! can't stand that "by numbers" attitude where harder than thou chaps get all "oh (condescension) it's really only the early stuff that has any validity" balls!

bob snoom, Monday, 15 September 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that blixa needs to give up on
1) english lyrics
2) that pathetic little weezy "scream"--it works when you are 20, not 40+!
3) suits that do not fit
otherwise--moments of classic, currently dud.
fm einheit--now there's a perpetual classic!

creative, Monday, 15 September 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

2) that pathetic little weezy "scream"--it works when you are 20, not 40+!

It didn't work when he was 20 either, I think this proves I'm not insane. He's weedy alright, almost as weedy William Bennett, ha ha.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Totally agree on Blixa's English lyrics, and especially his own translations of his German lyrics -- his German lyrics are written with such a high level of sophistication, efficiency, and beauty that it's embarassing (but typically German) that he thinks his tortured English syntax is clever wordplay.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that blixa needs to give up on
1) english lyrics
2) that pathetic little weezy "scream"--it works when you are 20, not 40+!
3) suits that do not fit

I cannot agree with no. 3.

OleM (OleM), Monday, 15 September 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

OleM:
those suits, with bad vests that accentuate his mid-age spread/alcoholic paunch, are hideous! hello--stripes don't work for that guy! and they are not tailored, they make him look like he's wearing diapers. and i think he only has about 3.
Bloody hell, man! if you want to look like Nick Cave, at least invest in a tailor!!!!!!!!

creative, Monday, 15 September 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

jordache

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 15 September 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(classic)

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 15 September 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It didn't work when he was 20 either, I think this proves I'm not insane.
Yes you are. his voice is inimitable!

gravitater, Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed, that wailing, backed with some suggestive whipping, is fantastic on 'Seele Brennt'!

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Klasique.

Even better that Blixa would also be a Bad Seed.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I ranked them amongst my favourite bands when I was 17-19 or so. Actually they were reasonably popular with this crowd of people I knew in Gr 13. I didn't have that many classes that year. We watched a lot of anime, talked really pretentiously about politics, philosophy, and physics (Was I really genuinely interested in science at that age?! I can't even say for sure now.), I read a lot of Ursula Le Guin; there was a lot of Neubauten going around. I listened to SAA2 and Tabula Rasa on my Walkman a lot on spares. I thought they were totally intense and cathartic. I worshipped "Thirsty Animal", that ultra-severe track with Lydia Lunch and Rowland S Howard. The vocals are surely amongst the least 'weedy' of any postpunk vocals - I'm surprised by that comment.

I honestly haven't listened to them in years. Within some time of the initial infatuation, I more or less found them to be inconsistent and often dull. I mostly just haven't been in the mood to listen to that clunky, lugubrious sound in ages. If I was to pick a track to put on now it would be "Kalte Sternen" (it's pretty and catchy) or "Headcleaner".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"but now I know that they lived in a bunker and hit pieces of metal together!" that alone is a hint to their classic status. worthy of worship for "silence is sexy" alone.

Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

jordache!

Classic, classic, classic.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 18 September 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The vocals are surely amongst the least 'weedy' of any postpunk vocals - I'm surprised by that comment.

Maybe not weedy so much as aiming for intensity and power and falling well short of it and sounding like someone throwing a tantrum instead (see William Bennett)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

besides neu! and fehlfarben the only truly classic german band in my book. their later albums are pretty inessential though. my fave lyrics line by blixa:

nagel mein herz an ein fensterkreuz (nail my heart onto the crossbar)

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i recently got a copy of their "supporters album #1"--from neubauten.org
not only was it defective, but it was the most boring, infantile thing i've heard in ages...songs about drinking green tea with bags blixa remembered to bring on a trip, songs telling me that my dead friends live around the corner, and songs polluted with a whining bargeld's wheeze. he sounds like an alcoholic about to croak, and the arrangements suck, too.
once a classic band, now i giantic dud.

ironic, Friday, 19 September 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(Alex: Can not classic?)

Half Man from 1984 is the album I will treasure; the late-'90s stuff was interesting but not as exciting, and haven't seen/heard them since...

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
I saw them at the Commodore last night. My partner's friend had extra tickets, and neither of us were too into it, but she'd get to see a bunch of people she hadn't hung around with in years; basically, the Vancouver chapter of the fan club. So, we went, and were happy for it. What a damn fun band.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.

kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Very very classic... Last album is one of their best, although I don't listen to it as often as I should..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Silence is Sexy bored the pants off me. Less yappin', more zappin'.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 6 May 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Just "Classic"?!?!? You can do better than that, Kaliflwr. If I asked you this question, I'd get a 40k rant about the exact quality of Blixa's screaming - is it more "boiled cats" or is it more "howling like a man whose rectum has been packed with fire ants".

Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 6 May 2004 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, more like "aging alcohlolic wheeze from a washed up, bulging middle-aged man who's realized that the Bad Seeds money has long since slid down the drain". The Great Bargain Bin Im Himmel beckons, Herr Emmerlich.

Ende Neu.

Adelia, Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You sound like me

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
let's try this description.. a dog gets hit by a car and someone throws acid on it..
good enough.
anyway- they're classic. so classic, in fact, that i was listening to it not 4 hours ago.

AscheDjidoi, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

clizzasic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I walked past the building that they took their name from in Berlin without realising it at the time.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
they were classic, but their obsession with polishing their sound in the studio over the last 10 years has exposed weaknesses. for instance the studio version of nnnaaammm is dull as batshit and irritating, whereas the live version captures alot of the energy they are famous for.
still, in their day (or decade) they were so good it's unexplainable.

hibernating bear, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Little boy has angst ... must listen to weedy Germans wheeze, whine and bang.

Can understand why 12-15 year-olds would say "classic", but it's harder to comprehend the notion of adults (17 and up) giving this codswollop the time of day (at least not without extreme embarrassment).

Then again, arrested development is the coin of the realm, ain't it?

P, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I disagree.

The music of, say, "Vanadium I-Ching" is the product of a quite focused and disciplined attention to objects and sounds, and the structure of the piece is pretty far removed from any kind of childish tantrum. The entrance of musical lines was determined by a temporal map of cracks in a piece of metal; this kind of conceptual compositional strategy seems pretty coolly analytic and controlled to me.

Drew Daniel, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
This in my inbox today:

On February 20th, the ICA will stage a Re-enactment of the now-legendary ICA performance, Einstürzende Neubauten’s ‘Concerto for voice and machine.’ The original event took place in 1984 when it was seen as a reaction against music as an easily and readily commodifiable package and industry in post-punk conservative Britain. The event comprised of cacophonous but orchestrated noise and destruction with industrial machinery and tools being used to drill holes in the stage of the ICA and was called to a halt after 21 minutes when ICA technicians turned off the power! On February 20th, emerging young artist Jo Mitchell will direct the re-enactment of this seminal event in an attempt to highlight the gap between the real and the represented and to question notions of expectation, consensus and the conventions of (the different) times.

a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

They're also playing two UK dates in April: Koko in London and Rock City in Nottingham.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

and one in glasgow.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

And the Dirty Three ATP.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Okay, seriously the last minute or so of Yu Gung: Classickerist or Classicumilingus?

Bimble, Sunday, 21 October 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)

What's their new album like? I sorta tuned out after 'Perpetuum Mobile'

baaderonixx, Sunday, 21 October 2007 08:27 (eighteen years ago)

I like the new album. Posted this on another thread in September:

Most (okay, probably only) country song on the new Einsturzende Neubuaten album Alles Weideroffen is "Nagorny Karabach, which has a very recognizable Lee Hazelwood (R.I.P.) clippity-clop to it. Lots of repetitive electronic factory clang to the rest of the album, often building gradually into something tangibly if Teutonically identifiable as a groove, with repeatedly chanted harangues on top, which slow-building sometimes makes me more impatient than other times. Faves are opener "Die Wellen" (reminds me of Faust), humorlessly titled and minimally starting "Let's Do It Dada," nine-minute "Unvollstandigkeit," and "Ich Warte" (maybe their most danceable track since Adrian Sherwood produced "Yu Gung" for them 22 years ago.) Part that sounds like "bacon bacon bacon bacon" in "Von Wegen" is also neat. Didn't know they still had it in 'em.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 October 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Classic, but more for the quiet drony bits than the shrieking clanging bits.

Eyethengyew.

PhilK, Sunday, 21 October 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

wow, is that available through normal channels or is this another website/supporter release?

I also have not heard anything past Perpetuum. Somebody on another thread was extolling their supporter's club deal, it seemed interesting.

sleeve, Sunday, 21 October 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/281460-02.htm&highlight=neubauten

stirmonster, Sunday, 21 October 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

Lol "Genre: downtempo"

baaderonixx, Sunday, 21 October 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I've never heard these guys but they sound like something I like. How are they, compared to like, early Cabaret Voltaire or Throbbing Gristle?

filthy dylan, Monday, 22 October 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

more visceral, you need this stuff.

sleeve, Monday, 22 October 2007 05:37 (eighteen years ago)

Apropos of sod-all, Dingsaller is bloody fantastic.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)

Please tell me you posted that to a rolling country thread, xhuxk.

Sundar, Monday, 22 October 2007 07:21 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Turns out this album hasn't reconciled me with them. Impressive but ultimately a bit boring.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

okay this is pretty cool and then at 4:30 AW YEAH

stick around for blixa's covergirl moment

Edward III, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 01:47 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

US leg of 30th anniversary tour cancelled

It is with great regret that Einstürzende Neubauten announce the cancellation of their planned thirtieth anniversary appearances in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Toronto and New York. While the U.S. Department of Homeland Security did issue approvals for the band’s visas, it was not done in time to secure the appointments at the overseas embassies and consulates that represent the necessary final step in the process.

The band members are tremendously disappointed by this turn of events and wish to thank all those fans who purchased tickets for these performances for their support. The band would have loved to do the tour and meet their overseas fans. Because this tour was a time-sensitive production, it will not be rescheduled. Ticket holders can obtain refunds from their point of purchase.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 29 November 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)

poop! i was really looking forward to seeing them. i'm especially miffed that it won't even be rescheduled.

borntohula, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)

may as well mention how great the ANBB album Blixa has done with Alva Noto is, its probably my favourite album at the moment

straightola, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:07 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

I've been listening to the recordings of the latest tour (they are doing the Grateful Dead recording every show and selling soundboard USBs at the end of the night) and they are so so so so tight and the setlists are so so so so amazing right now. The world's best live band. Whoever said Blixa needs to stop the inhale scream and wearing suits upthread 15 years ago is a fucking idiot.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 22 December 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

jesus christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxyWStLB0z0

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 22 December 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

<3 <3 <3 bookmarking for later

Ende Neu tour I saw in 1998 remains one of my top ten concert experiences

sleeve, Friday, 22 December 2017 20:29 (eight years ago)

I saw them four times over the years: in 1989 in a tiny club in L.A., in 1990 at the (new) Ritz on 54th Street, in 1993 at Roseland, and in 2000 (I think) at Irving Plaza. Always fantastic, but the 1989 and 1993 shows were the life-changing ones.

And thanks to this thread's revival reminding me of their existence, I just bought a very rare (so rare it's not even listed on Discogs) Japanese 3CD set that contains Strategies Against Architecture Vols. I and II on eBay.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 23 December 2017 02:33 (eight years ago)

Saw them for the first time on the Ende Neu tour in London, it was incredible and have tried to see them every time they've rolled around since, that YouTube concert is fantastic but man, the illuminated perimeter of the stage is like some Trypohobic nightmare.

MaresNest, Saturday, 23 December 2017 11:00 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

So despite having invented crowdfunding 20 years ago, they're now doing the next Supporter's Project on Patreon:

https://supporter.neubauten.org/

Yes, yes, grumble moan about Patreon being terrible if you're outside the US, but there are some wonderful perks. The usual webcasts and online shenanigans (TIL that German guitarists use Vah-Vah pedals, which is what I will always call them from now on!) - a proper album in April 2020, but also downloads and 7"s of spontaneous 'Jewels' and Dave projects.

And this is the kicker - they're digitising Blixa's enormous collection of 80s cassettes, rarities, rough mixes, live soundboard recordings from the early days, source material tapes, field recordings - and they will be making downloads of that material available to supporters. Some of the tracklists they've teased are just o_0 amazing.

Anyway, I've seen almost nothing about this floating about online - so if you know anyone who would be salivating over this sort of thing, please pass it on? Cheers!

Einstürzende NEU!bauten (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:52 (seven years ago)

Weedy scream, why I oughta... saw them only last year, and at 60, Blixavoice is still powerful enough to shake building foundations. So there.

Einstürzende NEU!bauten (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:53 (seven years ago)

http://www.drinkswithtony.com/ep-16-hackedepicciotto-and-blixa-bargeld/
THis was interesting Alex hacke and partner talking for an hour about various things including her 2 books. Followed by a 2007 interview with Blixa.

Stevolende, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:57 (seven years ago)

three months pass...

there is a breathing, pulsing quality to silence is sexy that is deeply satisfying

j., Wednesday, 28 August 2019 03:25 (six years ago)

i saw them in 1987 at the olof palme festival near munich. they were drilling and making other not so funny sounds. they were better than the awful toten hosen. i was pissed out of my head at that festival. but i must say that i never became a fan. later on i bought "das haus der lüge" which was less abrasive and i kind of loved it. blixa bargeld is a strange guy. my fave lyrics by him:"nagel mein herz ans fensterkreuz", ie "nail my heart at the crossbar of the window". it says a lot about him.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:51 (six years ago)

I wouldn't call Blixa strange particularly. Perhaps the strangest thing about him is his career trajectory from emaciated, hollow-cheeked metal-basher into portly, three-piece-suit-wearing respected literary figure about whose writing conference papers are now given. He's a highly intelligent, cultured and charming man but he doesn't suffer fools gladly.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:14 (six years ago)

xxp I once saw Blixa do an amazing solo set based entirely around his voice and a loop pedal, I am really feeling that description

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:16 (six years ago)

also, Neubauten on the Tabula Rasa tour was one of the best shows I have ever seen in my life

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:16 (six years ago)

I spent an hour with him for Alternative Press in 2002 or so and he was like a cross between Bryan Ferry and Hannibal Lecter. One of the most fun interviews I've ever done.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:19 (six years ago)

i put them on one time and was about to go in the dressing room but overheard him shouting at the other members about (i presume) how badly they had played (i hadn't noticed anything amiss and had thought they had been wonderful). he is very scary when angry.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 23:07 (six years ago)

Blixa can, in a good mood, be very sweet and thoughtful? He recently sat down and patiently explained all of his favourite Kraftwerk albums to me, which was really quite above and beyond. I'm vaguely terrified of him, but he's actually lovely?

One of the things I've noticed about him is that he is just naturally an incredibly LOUD human being, even in his default mode, he seems like he's shouting. So if he's irritated, the irritation seems much more magnified by the volume. But him refusing to suffer fools is often when he is at his wittiest. (So long as you're not the target.) There's no putdown quite like a Blixa putdown.

I'm quite sad that the current supporter's project isn't getting any attention at all. They're still doing some really wonderful and pleasing work - funnily enough, the almost-throwaway "Dave" experiments have been resulting in some of the most enjoyable and playful, freeform, almost surreal tracks.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:06 (six years ago)

That is very interest8nbg.

stirmonster, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:18 (six years ago)

That is very interesting. Perhaps when I encoutered him then he wasn't actually angry at all.

stirmonster, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

No, I mean, he also can be scarily, incandescently angry - and the volume combined with the rapier-sharp wit makes that terrifying.

But he's also kind of weirdly (almost childishly) excitable. Which is unexpected in someone with a reputation for being so icy uber-cool. So I do think that sometimes "Blixa shouting loudly in German" is read as him being angry, when he's just begeistert and laut?

But he really, really does not suffer fools gladly. (Which is why I'm so terrified of him - I'm 110% fool.)

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:24 (six years ago)

I don't know when I became such a Captain Save-A-Prussian. I just love him, OK?

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:25 (six years ago)

Go on then, I'm curious – how come you sat down with Blixa for a chat?

I'm a massive EN fan but I don't care much for this supporter thing, I just want to buy the finished record. The earlier supporter projects weren't very interesting to me either as they seemed to include the possibility of creative input to the album from supporters, whereas I thought they should have been making the record free from that kind of influence. Interestingly, they seem to have dropped that aspect from the current supporter project.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 6 September 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

It's interesting that you didn't consider, that perhaps the very thing you're disparaging as totally "not your thing" in the second paragraph, is the exact answer to your question in the first.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

So what are his favorites Kraftwerk albums?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:20 (six years ago)

Well, I assumed that your conversation with him was face-to-face, and face-to-face meetings are not part of the supporter rewards, but maybe it was via video.

xp

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:23 (six years ago)

He said he was a huge fan, growing up, loved them from the first 2 albums all the way through to Die Mensch Maschine (after that he said they lost him). But the two releases he particularly singled out were Ralf und Florian and the Kometenmelodie single (with a cute story about combing all of West Berlin to find it! Sign of a true Kraftwerk nerd, tracking down that one.)

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 14:38 (six years ago)

Love taht Kometnenmelodie traclk. Wish I hadn't lost the Exceller 8 lp which was my introduction to the early years, probably lost it at the same time as the Van Der Graaf generator cover double lp of the first 2 lps which I picked up several years later come to think of things.
Exceller 8 was an amalagam of the first 3 or 4 lps . I think a couple of things were edited.

Think you can hear some echoes of that early stuff in early EN longside Pink Floyd. Kollaps has a backcover that seems to be a tribute to the back sleeve of Ummagumma

Stevolende, Friday, 6 September 2019 15:24 (six years ago)

ha, I never thought about that cover connection!

sleeve, Friday, 6 September 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

Hahaha, I had not noticed that, but yeah. Dude clearly had a Floyd stage. For a Punque Rocke Icon (tm) he has such dirty dronerock boy taste in music. He loves him some NEU! too.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 September 2019 16:56 (six years ago)

Kollaps has a backcover that seems to be a tribute to the back sleeve of Ummagumma

That was the first thing I thought when I saw it!

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

it's funny because the one time I met Blixa he was just sitting placidly noodling at a piano, and I had come into the rehearsal studio to unlock a cabinet for another member of the ensemble (not neubauten, an experimental classical thing)

sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:57 (six years ago)

also since this thread is active -- here's a link to a new(ish) documentary featuring neubauten

https://www.desolationcenter.com/

sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:59 (six years ago)

So apparently during their Musterhaus phase, they attempted to entirely cover Ummagumma from memory, or play along with the record, or something stupid and ridiculous like that?

It's been really really edifying, watching them work, because you can see that they are experimental, in the sense of trying out all kinda of wild and wacky shit just to see what happens. And some of it really, really works and sounds amazing (they had a day where all of them decided to play metal springs of various shapes and sizes, which sounded fantasic, like really wild dub) and some of it just patently doesn't work - but you can't tell in advance which is going to be which?

They manage to keep a sense of playfulness and spontaneity - sometimes they're like goofy, excitable children in the studio as often as they're Serious Prussian Musicians Playing With Precision - where so many bands of their generation or type just became so po-faced and tedious and wank. Which, unfortunately, doesn't always come across on the Official Finished Records, but is much more apparent in the webcasts, the Daves (which turned up in compilation on The Jewels - the re-release of which really rekindled my interest in the band) and the supporter-only stuff. Which is why it's worth it for me, being a supporter, because the random stuff they produce when they're not working to produce The Official Album is a lot more fun and a lot more interesting.

Branwell with an N, Saturday, 7 September 2019 09:53 (six years ago)

Blixa has been playing guitar again, which is... a treat.

He was really cute about it, too. They said he bought a guitar - which surprised him as much as it surprised us - and we were all very disbelieving. We kept being told about this guitar Blixa was buying, and I kept going "I don't believe you, pics or it didn't happen" and then 24 hours later this picture mysteriously appeared:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e2b635f2f189da499f08fd8632a75963/tumblr_ps6fi6l9Ly1rjw8sqo1_1280.pnj

He is such an adorkable cutie, LOOKIT MY KOOL SPACEROCK GUITAR then he went in the studio and ran it through 8000 wibbling delay pedals and I was in heaven.

Branwell with an N, Saturday, 7 September 2019 10:05 (six years ago)

Did he get anywhere with learning pedal steel guitar? I heard he was trying to learn back around the mid 00ies.

Stevolende, Saturday, 7 September 2019 10:13 (six years ago)

I really want a CD of The Jewels, thanks for the reminder

sleeve, Saturday, 7 September 2019 19:54 (six years ago)

So apparently during their Musterhaus phase, they attempted to entirely cover Ummagumma from memory, or play along with the record, or something stupid and ridiculous like that?

So someone somewhere must have a recording of them doing "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict"?

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:14 (six years ago)

JUst seen this for the first time, is it well known?
https://neubautenshrimpscampi.tumblr.com/image/115381123404
are EN well know bronies?

Stevolende, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:54 (six years ago)

https://neubautenshrimpscampi.tumblr.com/image/115381123404
is what i was trying to post

Stevolende, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:54 (six years ago)

five months pass...

New album is called Alles in Allem. It's out, I think in May?

I'm still mad that they left the two best songs off the album (the lollopping Mother Sky-like spacerock epic, and the Bubblewrap Song) but the album that it is going to be is still going to be incredibly good. Some rather unexpected, but incredibly beautiful textures coming from the Prussians. (I think this might be their ~Psychedelic Album~?) And very personal, very Berlinny lyrics.

Also harp. The harp was quite divisive among the fans, but it sounds absolutely freaking amazing. A duet between carefully tuned ballistic shell casings, and harp.

Very excited now, for reasons that will soon be clear!

I draw myself anew
non-binary I: forever new

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 10:23 (six years ago)

So, absolutely freaking CLASSIC, obviously.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 10:23 (six years ago)

Seeing them in June. It's good that they have a new album to tour, they need to change up the live show a bit. The last couple of times I've seen them it's been more or less the Greatest Hits comp played live, which was great of course but did leave me wanting to hear something new.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 11:43 (six years ago)

I felt they got a bit stale after... 'Silence is Sexy', maybe? Or maybe its just me who lost curiosity for what they were doing

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 13:16 (six years ago)

Well, yes, they have a whole (possibly two?) new album's worth of material to tour now, so the shows will be quite different. Also, they had a supporter vote on what songs to play live, with interesting results.

I think what happened after Silence Is Sexy is that they became way more excited about producing 'Stuff For Supporters' than they did about 'Producing Stuff For Proper Albums'? To my mind, the more experimental stuff that turned up on The Jewels was more interesting, to me, than the songs on the Offical Album, Alles Wieder Offen. (But that said, I really really love Perpetuum Mobile, which was a mixture of stuff intended for general release, and stuff intended for supporters.)

I think, after the long, long break (though I don't know why no one counts Lament) they are actually enjoying it again, they're a lot more playful with new material.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 13:23 (six years ago)

I first saw them around Ende Neu and have tried to see them whenever they play London ever since.

Perhaps there was a period of adjustment, post-Mufti, when they refined their sound and stage dynamics and it got quite calm and more poised, but I love the later albums so it was no bad thing.

I would like to have been able to see them around 84-86, I remember that weekend thing they did at the Garage 10 years ago, they included Seelebrennt in the set and it was so fantastic to hear, so potent.

The Lament performance at Koko was blinding too.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 13:34 (six years ago)

xp to Branwell: the problem with that approach is that hardcore fans and Supporters are not necessarily the same group of people. I've been a massive EN fan for many years and have all the Proper Albums but, as mentioned upthread, I have no desire to take part in their supporter projects (that's not a diss on those like you who do, different strokes for different folks). I infinitely prefer the curated, polished final work to the raw, provisional, open-ended Supporter releases; I found both Grundstück and Jewels to be really heavy going and have no desire to ever hear them again.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:05 (six years ago)

We can spend all day arguing about who is a 'hardcore fan' versus who is a 'supporter' because, come on.

But at the end of the day, you might be surprised to find that a band with such a rich DIY history are simply more interested in meeting the needs of the fans who *are* willing to engage with them, and support them, and come along for the ride, and participate in the experience, than they are in so-called 'hardcore fans'... who will not.

And I'm grateful for that.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:18 (six years ago)

ok

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:19 (six years ago)

I wasn't aware that spending significant amounts of money on EN records, CDs, concert tickets and merch over the years doesn't count as engagement, support and participation, while not taking part in supporter projects renders null my claim to be a hardcore fan, but whatever.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:23 (six years ago)

maybe next time you sit down for a chat with Blixa you can ask him where I stand in the hierarchy of EN fandom

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:50 (six years ago)

I have dipped into their catalog over the years but feel like I haven't found the right starting point(s). And I love lots of 80s industrial! Suggestions?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:08 (six years ago)

Halber Mensch and Drawings of O.T. were my gateway drugs

sleeve, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:10 (six years ago)

already got tickets, very excited, and I didn't actually know there was a new album coming so that's just a cherry on top. glad to hear they are having more fun with the work. saw them on the Ende Neu tour a little over 20 years ago and it was just fantastic, all time concert experience.

sleeve, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:11 (six years ago)

The Strategies Against Architecture series of compilation albums gives you a pretty good overview of the earlier years, while the ironically titled Greatest Hits set from a few years ago is a useful round-up of the later years.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:14 (six years ago)

Cosign, Strategies I & II are excellent.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:37 (six years ago)

Yeah Strategies II was my entry point. Plenty of classics not really available elsewhere too

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 15:49 (six years ago)

I was a Phase III supporter but felt like the retail release of Jewels was a bit of a kick in the teeth.

I think I knew about this, then forgot about it. Kind of ambivalent about missing out.

Doubling down on out of date information (aldo), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:29 (six years ago)

In lieu of a general Berlin-based music thread, I thought this was the next best place to park this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqu59mF7Cc

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:05 (six years ago)

So the first digital single will be out at the start of April. (Probably Ten Grand Goldie - which will be very interesting, as that's the one that the supporters had the most input into (quite literally.))

I've also heard that they're going to be doing a deal to get their entire back catalogue onto Spotify, which will be grand - half of it is under the Stevo Curse, half of it is just missing, and bits and bobs have turned up piecemeal over the years - so getting the whole thing in one place will quite an accomplishment.

Yes, there will be a box set for the collectors. With vinyl and CDs and a full colour glossy book and a film and bits and bobs (and LOL @ who they let do the liner notes!)

Might be going into Neubauten overload for the next few months, but I'm really excited! It's been such a surprise to discover how playful Blixa is.

::tosses a glitterbomb into thread:: HURRAH!

Branwell with an N, Friday, 6 March 2020 09:51 (six years ago)

Are the Potomak cds still available. & did they cover all of the first major lineup's material?
Not sure if they needed to go beyond chung and mufti leaving cos I think they may have had more control of their catalogue beyond there.

Stevolende, Friday, 6 March 2020 10:06 (six years ago)

one month passes...

Glittery make-up, flower crowns and the return of SHOPPING TROLLEY in the new video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nz9t_4XLcc

^^^probably one of the most evocative and salient songs of the album, but gives a general idea of the hauntingly elegant and elegiac mood.

Album is out on the 15th. I know distribution is... tricky at the moment, but they've finally come round to digital streaming, and it will be on all the major streaming platforms, too. (I'm just hoping the whole postal system holds together long enough for the box set to get here!)

Branwell with an N, Saturday, 2 May 2020 07:55 (six years ago)

It's a nice song, but it's made me realize that I don't want to grow old with Einstürzende Neubauten. Their elegiac phase does not speak to me. I miss the EN of roughly 1980-1992, even knowing that I came to them relatively late (didn't see them live until 1989, but saw them four times in four years - 1989, twice in 1990, and again in 1992). That's the group I love - the manic, junk-smashing, power-drill-shrieking, dropping-an-anvil-through-a-concert-hall-stage EN. I'm glad they're still out there, still making work that speaks to them and to others, but I'm never gonna feel about anything after Tabula Rasa the way I feel about the stuff from their first dozen years.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 2 May 2020 16:30 (six years ago)

"Ten Grand Goldie," the other new song released so far, is much closer to what I was hoping for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIjTHkN21Zo

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:57 (six years ago)

I quite like 10 Grand Goldie, more than most of what I've heard from them over the last 20 years, but nothing really new to be honest.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:41 (six years ago)

So this has leaked and is sounding pretty great so far. "Zivilisatorisches Missgeschick" is amazing.

the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:58 (six years ago)

Yeah, I've heard the whole thing now and it's really good. Probably gonna review it somewhere.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:00 (six years ago)

two months pass...

Re-homing this, from an inappropriate thread on ILE:

Neubauten just released a newer live version of Sehnsucht where Blixa (still currently at 'punch myself in the face' levels of crush) very deliberately sings the untranslateable punning German part of the lyrics in English, going into a chant of "addicted to desire, addicted to desire" which is very much where I'm at regarding crushes. Crushes are a huge source of energy - (I no longer believe they are the only source of energy, but I don't think B does, either any more) - but they are also an addiction. Addictions can both sap and feed one's energy.

Also, Neubauten are in the process of setting up a Bandcamp. They're undecided if they're going to concentrate on older stuff, newer stuff, weirder unavailable stuff (e.g. the Musterhaus era experiments), live stuff (they are sitting on a powderkeg of amazing, well-recorded live material that blows some of the 'official' versions out of the water) or what they're going to do with it.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 07:49 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8OSBMy-940

brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 08:00 (five years ago)

Or lord, a baby Prussian, hasn't changed at all in some ways. Still just a big overenthusiastic puppy! Blixa and their ~album of love songs~ bless your little rubber wellies.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 08:15 (five years ago)

I was hoping to see some more reactions to Alles In Allem. Like, I feel like I almost know *too much* about this album, at this point, and I was really hoping to read some more reactions of people coming to it with fresher ears?

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 08:40 (five years ago)

It's a funny thing but I feel a time-lag of appreciation with Neubauten's music, some of their records have taken years to sink in, those ones often tend to end up as my favourites.

Lament, for instance, still feels really fresh and detailed and in need of more listening time, which is a bit ridiculous as it's like, 6 years old?

I know it's silly as the music isn't as complex and demanding, especially these days, I think it might just be that they're so significant, culturally speaking, that the longer they roll the more my brain tells me that they need proper attention and not just cursory listening in the car or while reading.

Maresn3st, Friday, 7 August 2020 08:58 (five years ago)

Lament didn't really fully click for me, until I saw it live and understood it as ~the soundtrack to a theatre piece~ as much as a complete album. I was listening to it as a complete album around the time of all the 1914-1918 WWI centenery stuff, as a very necessary corrective to all the jingoism in my own country, and it worked for that perfectly.

There's a thing with Neubauten albums, where they are often working on multiple levels at once. There's an immediate hit of how the music and mood hits you because they are super talented musicians who communicate emotion through noise really effectively. There's a deeper level as you spend more time with the lyrics (often there's translation involved, and not just translation from German, but understanding Blixa's complex allusions and symbolism). Then there's a whole nother level that takes place on a cultural context level. Levels 2 and 3 can take years!

But that doesn't mean that the enjoyment of listening on level 1 is cursory or invalid or ~bad fandom~. They are still amazing on an "I listened to this and it hit me in my hips and my heart" level. If they *weren't* amazing on that level, no one would ever bother pushing through to the deeper levels.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:09 (five years ago)

I like that they're just a little less graceful and more turbulent these days, around the time of 'Silence is Sexy' and 'Perpetuum Mobile' it came across quite poised and low-key. Although I do really enjoy those records nowadays

It felt like at the gigs I saw around 'Alles Wieder Offen' they came back to life a bit more.

Did you go to the weekend thing they did in 2010-ish? Oh my lord, that Garage gig was so amazing.

Maresn3st, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:45 (five years ago)

It is to my great regret that I never got to see them before the Lament shows! I know so many people who have had such great experiences at their ~event weekends~ and the like. I wish I had gone to the Garage thing.

The thing is, I actually like Perpetuum Mobile as an album, more than Alles Wieder Offen. It has more of what I like in music - that Perpetuum was really their 'let's do Krautrock' album, musically. But the clue to their attitude was really in the name - Alles Wieder Offen was where they *felt* more open as a band again, where they felt more connected, more engaged, more happy to be ~doing Neubauten~ again? (And The Jewels, the supporters-only album that was the weirder, even more freeform and 'experimental' companion to AWO, is one of my favourite things they have ever done.) They sounded like they were more "back to life" because they were feeling more back to life.

And I know the parallel in the album names is not deliberate (they actually wanted to avoid it) but Alles in Allem is also very much a "back to life" and an opening-up record. I cannot believe how open and how personal Blixa was willing to get on the record. (And Blixa being Blixa, of course people, including myself, were looking for 8 layers of meaning, when on some songs - no, really, it was exactly what they were saying it was.)

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 10:08 (five years ago)

Anyway, boom tish, it's just gone live:

https://neubauten.bandcamp.com/releases

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 10:47 (five years ago)

I must get Alles in Allem. I haven't been very good at following Neubauten more recently; it's time to jump in again.

Duke, Friday, 7 August 2020 10:48 (five years ago)

I mentioned upthread that I was going to review Alles In Allem, but I never posted the link. Here it is. Now off to Bandcamp I go...

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:01 (five years ago)

25th anniversary concert in Gijon, Spain on April 13, 2005.
credits
released April 13, 2005

bless them for doing this, seriously, but lol this is not how it works

(I'm biased cuz I need release dates to log radio play)

sleeve, Friday, 7 August 2020 13:56 (five years ago)

How should they be doing it, then?

(This is a serious question, please be gentle with them - they are a bunch of middle-aged Germans who are a bit perplexed by Bandcamp.)

All of their shows got released as CDRs, memory sticks, etc. about 10 minutes after the end of the set, so that they could be sold at the merch table. So that's what they mean by "released" - it was literally available for commercial sale at the merch stand, and on their web store as soon as the show was over.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:00 (five years ago)

haha I just mean the "release date" should be the day it was uploaded/"released"

if you could actually let someone know, that would be awesome. totally not a big deal, I was just amused, but I really do use the release dates to log "new" plays for licensing $. I want them to get their fractions of pennies!

and again, it's really cool that they are doing this, I will keep my eye on it. would love a lossless copy of The Jewels, for example.

sleeve, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:14 (five years ago)

(uploaded to Bandcamp, I mean, although yeah if they were available aftershow then it does muddy those waters a bit but afaict Bandcamp treats reissues as having the release date of the reissue not the original)

sleeve, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:16 (five years ago)

Thanks for the clarification! It's useful information, and I'll pass it on.

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:19 (five years ago)

Gonna give the new one a proper listen over the weekend, might dig out The Jewels too.

Maresn3st, Friday, 7 August 2020 15:59 (five years ago)

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQoBph_FTFI

Maresn3st, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:56 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNR1nGolZVA

Maresn3st, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:24 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyaGBSDpiA

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:51 (five years ago)

one year passes...

Halber Mensch time. yes this is my industrial week because there are limits to how much metal I can consume a year even for me.

this is my very first listen.

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:03 (three years ago)

Ohhhh nice, that's a great record.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:10 (three years ago)

the intro track I coulda listened to for a half hour, if my mother wouldn't have run in screaming

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:12 (three years ago)

my EN favourite.

so many greats; the title track, der tod ist ein dandy, seele brennt, yu gung, sehnsucht....

stirmonster, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:18 (three years ago)

the intro track I coulda listened to for a half hour, if my mother wouldn't have run in screaming

amazing!

stirmonster, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:18 (three years ago)

yeah this fucking ruuules. anything percussive and mechanical works for me and this has that in droves.

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:24 (three years ago)

How much of their other music have you heard N?

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:34 (three years ago)

somewhere between 0 and none

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:35 (three years ago)

Oh nice, what a journey!

This may be worth your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=posxMfqdgIM

And if you can track down the Liebeslieder documentary also, it's some story.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:38 (three years ago)

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsIW3M5p1o

MaresNest, Sunday, 19 February 2023 21:32 (three years ago)

hell fucking ya

sarahell, Sunday, 19 February 2023 21:36 (three years ago)

please sir, can we have some more...

stirmonster, Sunday, 19 February 2023 22:11 (three years ago)

<3 N.U. Unruh

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Sunday, 19 February 2023 22:47 (three years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxDriPLyBqo

New single!

Maresn3st, Saturday, 23 March 2024 09:20 (two years ago)

one month passes...

Just got the new one. Sort of in vein of Alles In Allem, but less accessible on first two listens. I'm sure it'll sink in.

Duke, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:15 (two years ago)

one year passes...

Per an announcement on the official forum, Alex Hacke has left the band. Sad to see him go, he'd been a member almost as long as the two remaining founder members Blixa and Unruh, but the last two albums haven't done much for me.

bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Thursday, 24 April 2025 15:43 (one year ago)

I am sad it's come to this. But I also feel that Neubauten is very much Blixa and Andrew and whoever plays with them. I wish good luck to Alex with his other projects, but I'm also glad that Andrew and Blixa are committed to carrying on in whatever form they continue.

Their supporters show of almost entirely improvised work in Berlin last year was one of the best concerts I've seen in a long time. I hope that they release it as a live album!

But I say that as someone who really loves the freeform Kosmische jams of Rampen / Alien Pop Music!

Etherwave, Thursday, 24 April 2025 16:01 (one year ago)

eleven months pass...

In case you missed the livestream of the 46th anniversary show today, someone uploaded it to archive.org here:
https://archive.org/details/einsturzende-neubauten-46th-anniversary-concert-2026-04-01-berlin

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 April 2026 22:34 (two months ago)

ty!

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Thursday, 2 April 2026 00:10 (two months ago)

They have a lady bassist now! Cool!

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 2 April 2026 03:44 (two months ago)


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