So: Fugazi, classic or dud?
― Jess, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― nUde SPock, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(the song, spock, is "margin walker.")
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
These days the term "emo" is like the Blob/Borg, threatening to absord everything in its path: "I really like emo, you know, like the Beatles and Moby."
― Nitsuh, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
No, sir, I don't like it one bit.
― David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kris, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nude Spock, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I think it's the only genre term I've ever seen change completely over the course of 4-5 years. I suppose that can be blamed, in part, on the people making it -- the term started with just-post-hardcore bands like Cap'N Jazz and would up stuck on bashy- poppy-punk bands like the Promise Ring (members of Cap'N Jazz). Regardless, any term variously applied to refer to Mineral, Karate, and the Get-Up Kids is beginning to lack meaning.
But so the question now is: with the Cap'N Jazz guys reforming as the Owls, will "emo" go back to being what it was, leaving the Get-Up Kids as just "crap?" Or will the Owls play funk, leading us to start referring to Parliament as "emo?"
― riff, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tom, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― zacko, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Emo: supposed to have started with Rites of Spring is my understanding, who led to Fugazi. Now the term is meaningless, for reasons laid out expertly by Nitsuh.
North of America: not emo at all. Math rock, pure math rock.
― Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs&feature=share
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link
^^Not showing up for me. What is it?
― JRN, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:05 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:43 (seven years ago) link
I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
But none of these versions are better than the album versions
(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link
Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/018/MI0002018821.jpg
― JRN, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link
Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
(With Anthony Pirog)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
& Rites of Spring really surprised me
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Welp, that rules.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0nFZe_e-qc
new canty/lally/pirog track
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
End hits fucking rules
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
^otm
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
all fugazi albums rule
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it
― albvivertine, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:24 (six years ago) link
No, that one rules, too. A lot.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:34 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.
(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:37 (six years ago) link
i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link
the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.
In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"
― papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.
i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!
Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
Fuck it, I'm starting a thread
I just didn't think it was that great personally even though it's good to hear Canty + Lally together again.
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy
Enjoy!
https://open.spotify.com/album/62JuK3H7TjIMAKbHPDSoCU
― cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
Seriously, though. Please enjoy that.
― cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
the best
i want to read this
https://www.amazon.com/Fugazis-Kill-Taker-Joe-Gross-ebook/dp/B07BFGYYG8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
Ordered. It should have a sticker on the back that says "$11 postage paid" or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Love this album. I will definitely be buying this.
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
i listened to 13 songs today so many jams....13 jams to be exact
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
killtaker was my first (but not my last). facet squared is a helluva intro to a band (esp if you're 17 and you only bought it because Eddie Vedder said it was great)
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
Just started reading this book and I am stoked, but already encountered something that super irked me. He's writing about the failed Albini sessions, and saying how it should have been the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine) but then also ... Jay Z and "Doctor Dre." First, that he spelled (or someone corrected) it "Doctor." Second, Jay-Z and Dr. Dre barely did anything together, right? Let alone formed some epochal team. Unless I'm reading his reference wrong, and it was supposed to be a dream team, but Miles and Rudy was real, so this one seems like a weird unforced error.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
"Doctor Dre" oh man. But it's about what I'd expect from the 33 1/3 series. There are definitely a couple of good entries, but it's strictly amateur hour for the most part.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine)
Yeah, that's an odd one. Miles obviously worked a lot with Van Gelder, but never in Van Gelder's most celebrated studio, and never on any of Miles' most celebrated recordings (not that Walkin' etc. aren't celebrated; just that you don't think "yeah, Miles & Rudy!" on those, whereas you definitely think "yeah, Miles & Teo!" on their records together). John Coltrane and Rudy Van Gelder would've been a better example.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link
Jay Z and "Doctor Dre."
wtf
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
Joe should know better (& editor too)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
Doctorb Dre
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
Fugazi and Steve Albini should have been like M&M and Doc Andre!
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
I'm halfway through the book and I'm mostly just happy I got to live in a world with Fugazi in it, the thrill of learning (pre internet) that there was a new album coming, or tickets on sale for a show. I miss Fugazi. I was talking to someone in New York last week, an indie/punk rock lifer, who had recently talked to Guy, and Guy was basically saying he thought no one was interested in a Fugazi reunion, and my friend was like, of course they fucking are! But Guy thought the only way it would happen is if they made new music, and that seems like hard work. It's worth noting that one major takeaway from a book (much of which is taken from getting the guys in a room and letting them talk) is that they're all (as reported) still really good friends. Just, well, hard to get in a room together.
Missed a chance to see Messthetics in New York, will try for Chicago next week!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:05 (five years ago) link
Another fascinating, er, facet of the book is how often songs I/many assumed were political were really about relationships or sci-fi concept or something not specific at all. I guess it's just the general intensity of the band.
Oh, the first song, Facet Squared? It's a sort of anagram for Flags are Such Ugly Things. FASUT. Facet.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:45 (five years ago) link
it's clearly not the case that no-one's interested in a Fugazi reunion but I think they do have the kind of high minded audience who'd get very sniffy if they played shows without writing or recording new stuff
― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:01 (five years ago) link
Ha! oh shit!
Facet Squared is one of my favourite 'Gazi lyrics. "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link
Some other neat (early) revelations:
Joe Lally refers to "Steady Diet of Nothing" as "Steady Diet of No Reverb."
Brendan Canty is apparently the best all-around musician and was playing guitar and piano longer than he's been playing drums. Like Bill Berry, he would often contribute songs and riff ideas as well.
Fugazi songs are typically constructed from bits of pieces and ideas and riffs and hooks others brought in and deconstructed and refined in the studio and on stage. The lyrics always come last and are designed to fit the final arrangement. "Epic Problem," from the last record, apparently was kicking around for so many years in so many forms that in its honor they let it keep the same temp title it always had.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
jayz/drdre killtaker session story straight from the source: http://vishkhanna.com/2015/11/12/ep-223-ian-mackaye-steve-albini-part-i/
Are there any 33 1/3 books primarily written by the people involved?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
I was talking to someone in New York last week, an indie/punk rock lifer, who had recently talked to Guy, and Guy was basically saying he thought no one was interested in a Fugazi reunion, and my friend was like, of course they fucking are!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:05 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seriously! If anything, I figured an excess of interest might be an obstacle to a Fugazi reunion (as strange as that sounds), because they'd have to choose between playing a reasonable number of dates at the kinds of mid-sized clubs in which they're comfortable and meeting audience demand.
Of course, I might just be projecting my own (intense) interest in Fugazi onto the general punk rock public. But I'd be willing to bet that a reunited Fugazi could sell out a weekend's worth of dates at, say, First Ave. in Minneapolis, to say nothing of markets like Chicago, New York, and DC. So it would either be that, or playing bigger venues, or turning a lot of people away, and I can imagine them not being enthusiastic about any of those prospects.
― JRN, Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
― thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:01 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol people say this all the time and all i remember from the gigs is just rockin out and having so much fucking fun and being so inspired by how good a band could be, those gigs were a blast i wish i could live them all over
and in retrospect now an admiration for the effort that was taken to conduct a career and run and organization in probably the most ethical way possible in the music business
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
memory from my first Fugazi gig (Brixton, 1994/5??): washing my hands after taking a piss and a guy who was absolutely paralytically wasted running into the bathroom, slipping and tumbling into the gutter of the big communal urinal, immersing himself in piss and being pissed on by guys who were then using the urinal and unable to cease their streams. "woah he doesn't seem very straight edge," i thought.
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
lol omgi was wasted at every fugazi show i ever went to as i was generally wasted at every show i ever went to thenbut not human urinal wasted
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
My only Fugazi show was one of 2 or 3 sold out gigs at the Congress Theater in Chicago, it seemed like a huuuge crowd at the time.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
I must have been at that Brixton gig. Still one of the best live shows I've ever seen. I was probably a little wasted, but I don't *think* I got pissed on.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
It's worth noting that one major takeaway from a book (much of which is taken from getting the guys in a room and letting them talk) is that they're all (as reported) still really good friends. Just, well, hard to get in a room together.
Per Joe they occasionally get together and prac, though just for themselves
https://pitchfork.com/news/fugazi-play-music-together-in-private-joe-lally-says/
Also the clips I've seen of the opera based on Fugazi stage banter are a fucking mind-blow.
They were a good as hell band
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
i've been a little surprised that they haven't done occasional one-off benefit shows over the years
― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
Also the thank you note that Fugazi wrote to Steve is attached via magnet on the Electrical Audio fridge (or was last time I was there)
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
the opera based on Fugazi stage banter
wait what
― sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/fugazi-returns-through-opera/
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
The 100-minute performance, created with the band’s approval and endorsement, samples the sounds of “random feedback, aimless drum noodling, pre-show activist speeches, audience hecklers, and the police breaking up gigs” found in the countless hours of archival Fugazi live recordings in existence.
One of the clips heard there was a little peal of guitar feedback and some drum clatter and I was "oh that's Fugazi" in about two seconds
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
wow, thanks
― sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
I got to see them a few times in Chicago, and once I think at Fort Reno in DC, though the fact I can't remember the DC show that well makes me think maybe I didnt and it was someone else. I wish I was 5 years older because I probably would have seen them a lot more.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
my other main memory, beyond it being awesome, was of a reveller bounding onstage, and MacKaye grabbing him by the neck, pushing him to the side of the stage, and then walloping him with his guitar.
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
And SGs have all those pointy bits too.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
I'm still not sure Ian did it, or if the passage of time has made me romanticise my memory of it.
The show was fucking amazing, though. Guy was like a ballerina, the Nijinsky of punk rock. So glad I got to see them as many times as I did.
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
Just sayin' ...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1950118003/fort-reno-concert-series-50th-anniversary-fundrais?ref=project_build
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 June 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
I finished the Gross book last night and it was good. He's a good writer and has a good handle on the subject, Fugazi are, in spite of their rep, a kind of catty/funny band, at least when talking about themselves. I liked how he built up a context for the record and then broke down each song.
I think it could have stood one more editorial pass, it is sort of littered with typos which was kind of annoying. And there was the odd weird line, like the Davis/Van Gelder, Dre/Jay-Z one mentioned earlier which I don't think was a mistake exactly as much as a clumsy analogy. There were a couple things like that that could have used a tweak.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 12:43 (five years ago) link
Ian Mackaye and Amy Farina (from Evens, husband & wife) did 2 songs unbilled for free at Fort Reno Park in DC last night as part of the 50th anniversary season of free concerts there (bring food, and dogs but no alcohol...7 to 9:45 pm local bands Monday & Thursdays in July and part of August). They started with a Lungfish cover and then went into another song. Lungfish one was kinda dirge-like but melodic(with mostly just Amy singing), second one was more fast-tempoed (more Ian-like) with Ian's guitar louder, and Amy on lead vocals but Ian chiming in as well vocally.
The Messthetics (w/ Brendan and Joe from Fugazi) were at Fort Reno the week before.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
The other night during a World Series game at Fenway Park they played part of Fugazi "Waiting Room" as the umps were waiting for a review of a challenged umpire call. The organist there picks the songs and he has played that one before
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:26 (five years ago) link
I'm intrigued by Brixton venues in the mid 90s. I thought most of the ones i was familiar with from the 80s had closed down before i left london.Were Fugazi big enough for the Academy.
Fridge and Mule Club both had ceased to be by the turn of the 90s at least hadn't they?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
I swam Fugazi at the Academy in, I think '94. Probably my favourite gig.
Saw the Beta Band at the Fridge in, bloody hell, 2001?
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
Swam! Christ. Saw, obvs.
Supporting Marillion is what I'm seeing listed.Odd combination?Though I think they had a song called fugazi or something similar didn't they?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
Tell a lie, 1995: https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series/london-england-51395
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link
xp Or not as the case may be, that was Marillion touring their lp of the title.I guess London is a lot larger than places i lived later so a band like Fugazi might have just been big enough to headline by the mid 90s.JUst wasn't thinking of them being taht large since the last place I think I saw them was McGonagles. NOt sure fi i saw them again after that which was the first time I went to Dublin.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
I'm not entirely sure Fugazi ever opened for anyone.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
you might be right!
― portugal. the bland (sleeve), Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
Fugazi opening for Marillion would have been the greatest gig ever, obv.
― Position Position, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
Fugazi were big enough to play the Barrowlands in Glasgow as far back as the Repeater tour, there were four bands (including the mighty Dawson) iirc for £6 and that might have helped somewhat.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
Yeah Dawson were pretty great. Saw them somewhere around the turn of the 90s, may have been tied in with the Membranes network.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 October 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
I saw Fugazi at the Brixton Academy in I think 1992, £5 tickets or something like that as they always kept it affordable. Didn't like them as I recall but hey at least it didn't set me back much.
― GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
I also saw Marillion at the same venue on the Fugazi tour lol
― GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link
That Fugazi/Dawson Barrowlands show was £5 (£3 for the unemployed) and also had Silverfish and Chumbawamba on the bill.
Dawson were great that night.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
Time in Glasgow before that was the Mayfair with Dawson and the Stretchheads, which is some bill.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I'm not entirely sure Fugazi ever opened for anyone.― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:13 PM (one hour ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:13 PM (one hour ago)
https://noisey.vice.com/en_au/article/kzz9mx/30-years-ago-fugazi-played-their-first-show-as-a-three-piece
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
heh, debut gig makes sense for sure
Besides being one of the only times that the DC punk legends opened a show
I wonder what the other ones were?
― sleeve, Saturday, 27 October 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Their second show (first as a 4-piece) was opening for Kingface:https://i.imgur.com/I02xydI.jpg
Elderly chapel hill/carrboro punkers may recognize the Slush Puppies as Mac Superchunk's pre-WWAX band.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
cool, thanks!
― sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link
Dunno about the Mule Club but the Fridge didn't close til 2010 (although I hadn't been there since 2001), the Electric Brixton is there now but doesn't have any link to the Fridge club. Before the Fridge it was the Brixton Ace (used to have a lot of hardcore/anarcho punk gigs there, Conflict/Exploited/etc)
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 28 October 2018 00:17 (five years ago) link
Mule Club was the one hosted by the avant rock band God in the pub behind the fire station. Can't remember its name.Was the stageless place that once had a review with one guy having to drag up a chair to stage dive off.was on every Friday night and had some great bands at.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 28 October 2018 12:07 (five years ago) link
Canterbury Arms. They used to put shows on at the Queen's Head sometimes as well.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:00 (five years ago) link
First saw Fugazi at Brixton Academy on the Red Medicine tour. They were amazing, but my overwhelming memory is of watching a guy who was truly shit-faced drunk running into the toilets, slipping and ending up head-first in the urinal, steeped in piss, and thinking, "That's not very straight-edge, is it?"
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
Fugazi is the band I most regret never seeing live. A friend saw them once and he got drunk and spent the show making out with an equally drunk woman and felt deep shame about this afterward
― joygoat, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
got to see them three times but the first time on the Repeater tour was the best, they opened with "Blueprint" and closed with "Glue Man" and god damn they were great.
― sleeve, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
what's weird is that they are one of my favorite bands of all time, and I think I saw them three times. And yet barely remember any of the shows.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
Halfway to a reunionhttp://www.brooklynvegan.com/ian-mackaye-amy-farina-joe-lally-apparently-have-a-new-band-playing-first-show-on-sunday/?fbclid=IwAR2RYfOZWTolDWxrUwB4RL0Xmzl4jNf-beViTEbyWHsHXzFAFHnmYmTAksQ
I really want to hear what a Fugazi "Division Bell" type late career record would sound like.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
Joe and Brendan already play in that other band, with that skronk jazz guitarist. Let me know when Guy gets back into it and I'll believe they are getting their chops in order.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:14 (five years ago) link
yeah IDG why they want to waste time with that wanker but won't reunite
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
I saw the MC50 reunion deal the other night and my friend I was with joked pre-show "I wonder if Brendan will have the bell with him in the kit" and we laughed but sure enough he did and I weirdly got chills. Seeing the bell was basically the best part of the show!
Having said that a Brendan Canty-Billy Gould-Kim Thayil band would be fucking amazing based on that gig though.
When Kramer intro'd the band, the roar in Mpls for Brendan & Fugazi was huge, twice as loud as for Soundgarden, easy.
I don't really want Fugazi to reunite, I would completely go if they did.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
Hope they never reunite tbh
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
I do wish more bands would break up and stay broken up.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
Was there not a quote in a fairly recent interview with one of Fugazi along the lines that they get together and play for fun every now and then? I’m all for that, playing music together when they get a chance but without it having to Be Something.
― michaellambert, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
Yeah, they have all said at various times that they get together to jam and what not. I might have posted earlier that I know someone who knows Guy, and he is always teasing Guy about not reuniting Fugazi, and Guy always, maybe with false modesty maybe who knows, claims that no one is really that interested, and if they did it would have to be pretty much all new material, but the amount of effort it would take to drum up all the material and be up to snuff musically might be too much. Having seen Joe and Brendan play in that lark recently, they seem pretty up to snuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
I think Guy lives in NYC these days, while the rest are in the DC area.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
Saw the unnamed Ian, Amy, and Joe band in DC (free show though donations encourage to a church's feed the homeless program). They were just ok-- a mix of Evens like vocals, some Fugazi like vocals from Ian, and fugazi style dub reggae influenced bass and drum rhythms. I was kinda hoping they'd go off in different directions than their prior outfits, but that mostly didn't happen. Most of the comments on Facebook and twitter I saw were more positive than mine about their sound btw (although a few folks i spoke to agreed with me). I liked Fugazi back in the day, but this is just kinda there. Oh Guy came down from NY to watch. Lotsa of other Dischord and DC punk folks there too -- from Bratmobile, Fire Party, Priests, Kingface...
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link
This made my day. #minorthreat #saladdays #dischordrecords. pic.twitter.com/CAdF854uB2— bernie (@bernie) November 17, 2018
― j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 04:56 (five years ago) link
Aww
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
Senior Threat
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 17 November 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
Messthetics record is good! they're supporting Michael Rother in london in a few weeks, should be a good night.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
I had a hilariously mundane dream about these guys a week or so ago, that I missed a one-off reunion show and was reading really good things about it on the internet.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link
What a band.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
weird
Let us all work to get Fugazi to reunite, play at our Arena, we will compensate the band, and make a major donation to local charities in their names, it has been too long. They resonate well with all generations, we miss them. Check this out. https://t.co/c7HcqHWY4l— Ted Leonsis (@TedLeonsis) May 13, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 May 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/688087701220913152/EiCnLqQC_400x400.jpg
"Hope they play Glue Man. No slam-dancing in the pit!"
― Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Monday, 13 May 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
Billionaire Caps & Wizards owner Leonsis is clueless and cheap. While his predecessor the late Abe Pollin built the Capital One Arena largely with his own money, Leonsis is always hitting up DC taxpayers for $ to upgrade the arena, and to pay for the SE Mystics WNBA Arena. The Se Fort Dupont recreation arena needs big bucks to be refurbished & Leonis gave just 100,000 as part of a go fund me.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 01:30 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Ce5kgPWOY
― MaresNest, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
LOL, Alice Donut. My friend got his shoulder dislocated at one of their shows.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
https://coriky.bandcamp.com/
Ian & Joe from Fugazi plus Amy Farina ( who was in Evens with Ian). A hybrid of those 2 groups. 1 song out now, album coming. At DC area gigs they were requesting no video.
Formed in 2015, Coriky did not play their first show until 2018. They have recorded one album. They hope to tour.
PRE-ORDER VIA DISCHORD
HEAR "CLEAN KILL" / PRE-ORDER VIA BANDCAMP
TRACK LIST1. Clean Kill2. Hard to Explain3. Say Yes4. Have a Cup of Tea5. Too Many Husbands6. BQM7. Last Thing8. Jack Says9. Shedileebop10. Inauguration Day11. Woulda Coulda
coriky will play some shows...
contact: disch✧✧✧@disch✧✧✧.c✧✧
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
the drumming on that could be better imo, but I like it better than the Evens based on that track.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
I like the drumming! though it is closer to Fugazi than the Evens so might start drawing comparisons to one of the great rhythm sections in rock history which isn't totally fair imo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
the drumming is great
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
vocal harmonies on the chorus are great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
Haven’t listened to the recorded stuff, but I saw Coricky a few months ago and her drumming was probably the most interesting element.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
They hope to tour.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
They have a few gigs coming up in DC, VA, Pa.
Ian’s guitar chords and vocals are too drawn from Fugazi for me. Glad Farina’s vocals are there
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
I am loving this
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:24 (four years ago) link
Amy's a great drummer, with incredible touch. I thought the first two Evens records were really fresh. Last one was a bit of a bummer and I worried that it was all over. Very psyched to check this out.
― stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:25 (four years ago) link
yeah I liked the Evens first record a lot
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:15 (four years ago) link
School of Rock Headliners & Junior Headliners Rocky River, Ohio perform at Whiskey Island in Cleveland, Ohio on August 4th 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZD9WFpWZo
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
That's awesome. Cleared my Covid right up.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
That's great! I thought the revive was gonna be about Jenny Lee Lindberg's cover of I'm So Tired.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/warpaint-jennylee-cover-fugazi-classic-im-so-tired-2621797
― ☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:35 (four years ago) link
on the side, i have never seen an apple music “inspired” list that makes me want to listen less than theirs, which has a beauty sequence of rhcp/rage against the machine/pearl jam/foo fighters/rapture. when i’m thinking of my fugazi love, i dont want to touch that shit, i hope that doesn’t make me shallow.
otoh, their influences list has a sequence of zep/publicenemt/mc5/wire and more that, fuck, i def can get with that, tho it doesnt feel that fugazi all the time.
yeah, I know i know it’s Apple Music.
― blather rinse repeat 2020 (Hunt3r), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
There’s a bit more to the tale of Fugazi & the ice cream eater at their free show at Fort Reno Park in DC in 1993. Here’s my little blurb
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/arts/article/21125759/city-lights-revisit-the-fort-reno-ice-cream-eater-and-read-rian-johnsons-screenplays
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
i bought my first Fugazi CD because the review I read of Killtaker referenced RATM and Eddie Vedder was a big fan.
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
I once knew someone who worked on a Fugazi-related gig. Forgot what he did (I think he was a staff member at some place they were using), but it was just him and the band one night, and at the end, one of them asked him where he was headed. He said he was going to check out some B-movie that he really wanted to see, and to his surprise, the whole band was interested and asked to join. So he wound up going to the movies with them, just like that - just awesome.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
curmudgeon's piece had me checking out clips from Instrument on YouTube - my DVD is somewhere in the loft - and my god that's some of the most captivating live footage ever filmed
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
aw those are both very sweet stories, thanks
this band was so transformative and positive for so many people in the post-hardcore era
― sleeve, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
My tiny Fugazi story, I happened to be recording at Southern Studios the day after they played at the Rex in London in '99, on a table downstairs was a load of fresh fruit and drinks and stuff, obviously the remains of last night's rider, with a post-it note saying 'From Fugazi', thoughtful dudes.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 2 April 2020 09:40 (three years ago) link
as the years go by, seeing one of those last tour shows in London still stands out as one of my top 5 shows of all time. the anticipation was crazy as it had been a few years since they'd hit the UK at that point i think, travelled up from southampton for it (which always felt like a big event) - and they played something from pretty much every record (as if they knew this was the last run).... and fuck that was 2002. I was 18. half my life ago! show was:
Ex-SpectatorDo You Like MeFacet SquaredPublic Witness ProgramLong DivisionOhCashoutTargetFurnitureLife and LimbPromisesBurningSong #1Give Me the CureBad MouthRecap ModottiThe KillTurnoverBack to BaseNumber 5NightshopEpic ProblemLatin RootsBreakPlace PositionArgumentFull Disclosure
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 2 April 2020 10:40 (three years ago) link
and yeah, by the time i saw this show i had probably watched Instrument 20 times easily. its probably the perfect gig of actual reality matching my huge teenage expectations.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 2 April 2020 10:41 (three years ago) link
Missed the London shows on that final tour but reviewed the Brighton show, it was unforgettable. My snapper Nick got an amazing photo of Guy doing the splits.
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:00 (three years ago) link
Okay not exactly the splits, but... The members of excellent support band Cat On Form just out of focus sitting onstage in the background. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickstevens/4010684125
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link
Great pic!
― JRN, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
If my family wasn't all working from home within a few feet of the stereo I would be blasting Fugazi right now.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link
I went to a screening of Over the Edge in October last year and Guy and Kathi sat in the same row as me. Guy had a real stay-at-home-dad vibe to him. Comfortable cardigan, sensible shoes. Looked like life was treating him well. I didn't bother them.
― Position Position, Thursday, 2 April 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
Some time around I want to say 1999 my friends and I threw a party in D.C., and Guy showed up. From memory he was wearing sunglasses and faux leather pants, though that may have been Ian Svenonius. Or maybe it was both of them dressed like that? Anyway, I remember Guy walking around for a few minutes and then just leaving, which was the right decision.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
The Jazz Band Rejects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3wGLfEKxNY
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:45 (three years ago) link
the Chicago one also rules
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 11:58 (three years ago) link
Was gonna say I already posted that upthread (March 8), but this is a different performance.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
Coriky (Ian, Amy, Joe) album is out today. Also saw on FB that Joe Lally is giving private online bass lessons
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
possibly the last, closest thing we will ever get to new fugazi
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
unless of course they announce "btw, all those private sessions we did that were just for us? we actually filmed and recorded allllll of 'em."
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
took a little while to click w me but the coriky album is really good! huge step up from the evens stuff, joe lally is essential here imo
― adam, Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link
Agree. It's similar to the Evens but much stronger.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
for me one of those rare cases where the better singer is the less interesting to listen to. good album tho
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
My heart leaps every time I see this bumped. You know why ;)
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link
Both prospects (reunion/RIP) make my heart skip.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
The next project is going to be Ugifaz, and will feature either Ian, Joe and Brendan or Guy, Joe and Brendan on each song but never all four, because they are not reuniting
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 9 July 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
Finally watched Instrument (it's on Amazon Prime - in the UK, at least). Fantastic film and what a fucking band. They're obviously a unit (Lally as the still centre) but fair to say it's Picciotto's film? I only saw them in (relatively) large venues so his dervish thing wasn't as pronounced. I didn't see any wine, fwiw.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:21 (three years ago) link
FWIW, I don't think Guy ever identified himself as straight edge. Well, I mean, to some extent none of them ever identified as that, per se. But I think Ian is the only one who didn't eat meat, didn't drink, etc., at least at the start, but none of them are fundamentalists, afaict. I found this good 1995 interview in some Swedish zine:
Petter: Ok, over to another subject. I’ve thought about leaving the straight edge phenomenon out of the interview because I think you’re probably fed up with talking about it. Last time I read someting about it I think you said something about you getting shit for drinking tea, or something like that. You feel ok to talk about this?Ian: Well, yeah…. I don’t know what you’ve read… I think I might have said that I think there are parts, elements, of the straight edge movement that are too fundamental. And when someone gives me shit about drinking tea, I think, “Mind your fucking business!” It’s my point of view. When I wrote this song, Straight Edge, I was not trying to create a set of rules. I was trying to talk about my own decisions and my own life and the right to live my life however I want to. Cause I’m the one that’s in this body. So, it’s only about my right to live however I damn well please. People interpreted it as, like, a code of behaviour. If you adhere to that you belong to like this mass of like, some kind of, whatever… Union of young men! For the most part. Ahm, I’m just not interested in that. Because, in the beginning, I was straight in a world full of kids who smoked pot, did drugs or whatever. So I felt very alone and I wanted to talk about, like, my validity as a human being, even if I didn’t do what everybody else said. Ten years later I see… Or fifteen years later now… It’s not such of a problem now, maybe in the late eighties it was more of a problem… I see kids who are trying to inflict their opinions on other people, and their opinions are… You shouldn’t be doing this, you shouldn’t be doing this, you shouldn’t be doing this… It’s sort of the opposite of what I intended. On the other hand, I’ve met plenty of people who were straight that were totally cool. And the other hand, I should say is that, I know that when you are a teenager, that when you’re growing up, it’s hard man. I mean, you’re faced with a lot of decisions… You have to make a lot of decisions about a lot of things and I understand why people want to belong to something! And, if that’s like… If that’s my fault, if I created something that kids want to belong to, I’m glad that it was something that doesn't… You know, fucked them up.Petter: What about these “hardline” assholes then, who object women’s rights, talking about killing women who’ve had an abortion and hate on people with addiction problems…Ian: I know these kids you’re talking about but you’re talking about a minority and even to discuss them as any kind of… To discuss them in any, like, sort of connection with what you call the straight edge movement, I think is a disservice to straight edge kids. It’s a french… Man, you’re talking about maybe 25 people! Maybe a hundred. But out of like five billion, that’s not a lot of people. And I think that, you know… On radio in America, I hear about these white power skinheads… On the national radio, they talk about white power skinheads! And it’s not that many white power skinheads. There is some, and they’re extreme, and they’re fucked up and they’re dangerous, but when you talk about them on the radio, suddenly there’s a thousand, or there’s a million, because people hear about it and then they start saying like, “They’re there, they’re there!”, and then kids go like, that’s what I wanna be… I mean, I think you have to be very careful when you talk about stuff like this. Martin: Even if you might disagree with some things in the straight edge movement, do you still think it could turn out to be something positive?Ian: No. And that’s because I don’t recognize it as a movement. I’m interested in human beings. I’ve met people who were part of that who I think are good people. I’ve also met people who I don’t think are good people. But my point is, is that I don’t condemn everybody who says they’re straight edge, I try to see them as individuals, that’s all. I don’t want to say that, “all straight edge is all this or all that”. It’s a tough thing for me to talk about, because you know…Petter: I’m sure you’ve heard a lot of it.Ian: I’ve heard a lot and I also think that a lot of ways… Ahm… I’m in no position to comment about it because I don’t hang out with kids who are part of that. Because for me, like I said, we’re on a whole different… My community is in a different place. And I think it always has been.
Ian: Well, yeah…. I don’t know what you’ve read… I think I might have said that I think there are parts, elements, of the straight edge movement that are too fundamental. And when someone gives me shit about drinking tea, I think, “Mind your fucking business!” It’s my point of view. When I wrote this song, Straight Edge, I was not trying to create a set of rules. I was trying to talk about my own decisions and my own life and the right to live my life however I want to. Cause I’m the one that’s in this body. So, it’s only about my right to live however I damn well please. People interpreted it as, like, a code of behaviour. If you adhere to that you belong to like this mass of like, some kind of, whatever… Union of young men! For the most part. Ahm, I’m just not interested in that. Because, in the beginning, I was straight in a world full of kids who smoked pot, did drugs or whatever. So I felt very alone and I wanted to talk about, like, my validity as a human being, even if I didn’t do what everybody else said. Ten years later I see… Or fifteen years later now… It’s not such of a problem now, maybe in the late eighties it was more of a problem… I see kids who are trying to inflict their opinions on other people, and their opinions are… You shouldn’t be doing this, you shouldn’t be doing this, you shouldn’t be doing this… It’s sort of the opposite of what I intended. On the other hand, I’ve met plenty of people who were straight that were totally cool. And the other hand, I should say is that, I know that when you are a teenager, that when you’re growing up, it’s hard man. I mean, you’re faced with a lot of decisions… You have to make a lot of decisions about a lot of things and I understand why people want to belong to something! And, if that’s like… If that’s my fault, if I created something that kids want to belong to, I’m glad that it was something that doesn't… You know, fucked them up.
Petter: What about these “hardline” assholes then, who object women’s rights, talking about killing women who’ve had an abortion and hate on people with addiction problems…
Ian: I know these kids you’re talking about but you’re talking about a minority and even to discuss them as any kind of… To discuss them in any, like, sort of connection with what you call the straight edge movement, I think is a disservice to straight edge kids. It’s a french… Man, you’re talking about maybe 25 people! Maybe a hundred. But out of like five billion, that’s not a lot of people. And I think that, you know… On radio in America, I hear about these white power skinheads… On the national radio, they talk about white power skinheads! And it’s not that many white power skinheads. There is some, and they’re extreme, and they’re fucked up and they’re dangerous, but when you talk about them on the radio, suddenly there’s a thousand, or there’s a million, because people hear about it and then they start saying like, “They’re there, they’re there!”, and then kids go like, that’s what I wanna be… I mean, I think you have to be very careful when you talk about stuff like this.
Martin: Even if you might disagree with some things in the straight edge movement, do you still think it could turn out to be something positive?
Ian: No. And that’s because I don’t recognize it as a movement. I’m interested in human beings. I’ve met people who were part of that who I think are good people. I’ve also met people who I don’t think are good people. But my point is, is that I don’t condemn everybody who says they’re straight edge, I try to see them as individuals, that’s all. I don’t want to say that, “all straight edge is all this or all that”. It’s a tough thing for me to talk about, because you know…Petter: I’m sure you’ve heard a lot of it.
Ian: I’ve heard a lot and I also think that a lot of ways… Ahm… I’m in no position to comment about it because I don’t hang out with kids who are part of that. Because for me, like I said, we’re on a whole different… My community is in a different place. And I think it always has been.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
Meanwhile:
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/tons-of-80s-dc-hardcore-live-videos-unearthed-fugazi-dag-nasty-govt-issue-descendents-more/
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 July 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
Plus
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/watch-a-just-released-full-fugazi-concert-video-from-1999/
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 July 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
Nice high quality gig herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjwPGh4Zw0
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, 10 July 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link
I don’t condemn everybody who says they’re straight edge, I try to see them as individuals, that’s all. I don’t want to say that, “all straight edge is all this or all that”
hmmm
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 10 July 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link
I thought that comment about the Touch&Go scene being the guys who “smoke cigars and eat ribs” (I assume this was a contemporaneous interview from the Azerrad book) was a kind of unnecessarily shitty thing to say and an example of the kind of cliched hardcore gatekeeping purity the lazier critics dismiss him/Dischord for
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 10 July 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link
Or seeing that Ian is friends with Albini & Corey Rusk you could see it as a cutting joke at the expense of people you know. I mean Pegboy has pretty thick skin I think.
"Smoke cigars and eat ribs" is pretty mild as far as vicious scene attacks go.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 10 July 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
in 2020 honestly who cares anymore?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
Cows?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 July 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
Cows were definitely not a straight edge band
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 July 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
Ha.
Coriky album is growing on me, although at times I wish I heard newer sounds from them other than just the Evens derived indie-folk. I love Joe Lally’s dub reggae and Ruts derived bass. On solo efforts he tried some more avant-jazzy stuff . Ha, not sure what I think he should do- Most more contemporary Jamaican sounds rely on programmed rhythms I guess. Other times I wish Ian’s vocal range would spread wider. I read someone suggest that this is the first time they have heard Ian’s guitar playing as reflecting some of the 60s era guitarists Ian says he listens to like Hendrix. I am not familiar with Amy Farina’s music interests but I do like her vocals . Qualms aside, the album is growing on me.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 10 July 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
Ian says he listens to like Hendrix.
No joke, complete coincidence, yesterday was a very rare day I put on some Hendrix. I had it streaming on shuffle, and it played some song called "Jungle" from some leftovers album I don't own."Both Sides of the Sky?" Anyway, the second half of the song caught my ears, because it sounded a lot like the stuff Fugazi would explore, specifically "Suggestion." And then the next song I heard at random was a version of "Machine Gun" from "Live at Fillmore," and it sounded a bit like what Fugazi (at its jammiest, c. "End Hits") was up to as well! I can't find a link to "Jungle," but here is that version of "Machine Gun:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw2L_vGUMtE
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 July 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOqSYWYFTY
!!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 July 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link
I definitely didn't expect the Coriky album to suck or anything but I' really surprised by how much I like it given that I have never really connected with the Evens and always tended to prefer Guy's songs to Ian's. Really strong album though. Lally is a treasure
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 5 September 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
also I was just made aware there is a second Messthetics LP which I guess flew under the radar. I liked the first one quite a bit
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 5 September 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
Messthetics are ok to me. Guitarist Anthony Pirog gets too Art rock prog rock in his playing in the group for me. He is capable of playing anything- I have seen him do 50s rnb and rockabilly as well as avant-garde jazz. Ha, I liked him best doing the ‘50s stuff more than what he does in Messthetics. Brendan and Joe have that Fugazi rhythm section sound down of course.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 September 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
the messthetics records are pretty corny, it's like listening to hot rats, but sometimes the mood is right and it really hits
― adam, Thursday, 10 September 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
guys who can "play anything" are rarely guys I really enjoy listening to somehow
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 September 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
the messthetics records are pretty corny, it's like listening to hot rats,
does not compute
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 September 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
I saw Messthetics play once, and I think I would have preferred just listening to Brendan and Joe, tbh.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 September 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/ian-mackaye-net-worth-2/
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
well he saved so much not buying beer or drugs, why not?
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
He still owns Dischord, right? So ... yeah, he's probably worth that, sure.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link
lol of course I looked at Rollins as well and he is $6 mil
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
those websites are notoriously unreliable. i just thought it was funny he was on there at all.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
Rollins listens to records on a pair of speakers worth like $250k, $6mn seems like it might actually be low.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:21 (three years ago) link
Rollins also acts.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
I'm broadly pro-Rollins, but "acts" very much in scare quotes!
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
I mean literally, lol.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.808362073.3904/gptr,1400x,front,black-c,313,133,750,1000-bg,f8f8f8.u2.jpg
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
Ian McKaye owns real estate in Arlington Virginia and property values there have risen exponentially in the last 20 years. I have a feeling that’s most of his wealth and it’s not exact liquid so that he’s now lighting his doobs with $50 bills.
― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
not lighting any doobs iirc
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
everyone got outraged over beto o'rourke not because he'd missed the point but because it was too painful to acknowledge that he hadn't
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
mackaye smokes weed has been a thing for decades I have no idea if there was ever any truth to it
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
Shit Velvet Puma
― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
xps plz parse that Beto post for meyeah 5 mil is nothing for someone who's owned NVA property since the 80s
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
In addition to Dischord, he also owns a for-profit corporation:
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_dc/EXTUID_2814696
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
"Betonomics would have certain punk-rock edge"
He may be from inside the Beltway, but MacKaye is a Washington, D.C. native more familiar to Generation X college students than America’s political class. In the hagiographic profile of O’Rourke that Vanity Fair published to coincide with the candidate’s announcement of a 2020 White House run, he said of MacKaye: “I have so much reverence for him and he means so much to me in my life.” Your humble columnist can relate.
MacKaye fronted two seminal bands categorised as independent, or underground, rock during the last two decades of the 20th Century: Minor Threat and Fugazi. As influential as the music he produced was, it was more the ethos MacKaye and his bandmates adopted toward their craft that resonated. Fugazi was effectively a startup from which valuable lessons in governance, business and sustainability might be inferred about the way an O’Rourke administration will approach the American economy.
Fugazi capitalism would be inclusive, consumer-friendly and ethical. It would favor the interests of small businesses over corporations. It would reject cronyism. As O’Rourke described MacKaye, he “really did represent this super-ethical way, not just of being in a band, or running a label, or putting on shows, but of just living.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-united-states-economics-breakingviews-idUSKCN1R91H8
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
the notion of indie DIYism being revolutionary in some way has always been dubious but people really want(ed) to believe it
capitalist pig, "straight edge" pioneer, author of the most famous white nationalist hardcore song ever... your fave is problematic
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
I'm really not interested in purity tests, and sure I dig the music (and grew up in proximity), and idk where you got "fave", but sure at least two of those objections are legit. he's only a "capitalist pig" by having a clue about how to manage money, imo. but hey by your logic I'm a homeowner so I'm the enemy even tho I booked punk shows for almost a decade so I guess I'll have to be "problematic" as well
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link
(FYI we probably agree on >90% of weirdo lefty niche shit, as I hope u have been able to tell from my posts re e.g. anarcho-primitivism)
wow ian you participated in capitalism....disappointing
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
I like fugazi lol don't take it too personally. everyone is problematic. loads of my favourite artists are capitalist pigs. it's just fun to pick on someone whose upright/uptight moralism is such a huge part of his public profile. (almost wrote brand which I know he'd really hate)
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:01 (three years ago) link
I mean, it's easy to say it but they did the shows for almost nothing when they could have gotten $20 at least at their peak, and didn't have merch but instead would have amnesty international booths instead of t shirts
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
Left - copy that, and thanks for providing the Beto context! which was indeed gag-worthy
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:10 (three years ago) link
I know you're not mounting a Serious Critique but...I mean, I'm struggling to think of another band who left a comparable amount of money on the table.
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:14 (three years ago) link
The Screamers, but for different reasons
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link
Crass maybe?
I wish I was old enough to have seen Fugazi when they were still going. I'm not preaching to anyone here so much as to my past self and some people I associated with who would interpret what they did as "politically revolutionary" instead of "pretty cool". I do think the tension between the liberal/radical/reactionary impulses in punk/indie is interesting though, there is/was just so much confusion and misplaced...everything going on in those scenes
― ftp (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:19 (three years ago) link
agree w/ all that for sure, scenes are problematic by their very nature
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
(cf. "I Was A Teenage Anarchist")
I mean....you think Crass or the Screamers were going to be as big as Fugazi in the 90s?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:51 (three years ago) link
no, I was reaching, I think Simon is probably otm
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:52 (three years ago) link
(well, maybe The Screamers)
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link
but they were like the inverse of Fugazi, holding out for a major
(and thereby remaining obscure for decades)
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
I guess SFA have to be in contention for (supposedly) turning down a "seven-figure" Coke ad.
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 03:46 (three years ago) link
The Mummies are a band that rejected multiple major label deals and refused to out their music on cd
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 7 January 2021 09:35 (three years ago) link
What about Inside Out?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 13:11 (three years ago) link
― ftp (Left), Wednesday, January 6, 2021 8:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
As someone who was old enough to have seen them a bunch of times in their prime, I think you have to view them in the context of whatever "the left" was at the time. It was still the immediate wake of the cold war. Communism/socialism felt somewhat dead as an idea and limited to old cranks and campus weirdos. People with leftish politics were into Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn. There were strains of anti-globalism, anti-corporatism, anti-racism, gender critique and intense criticism of US foreign policy, but there wasn't really a unifying left economic theory with any popular traction.
I hate the word "problematic." I think it's a weasel word for when you want to say something is bad-ish but can't actually say it's bad. It falsely implies that there is someone or something in this world that is "unproblematic." MacKaye wrote "Guilty of Being White" when he was literally a teenager, and subsequently rejected it. Even as a teenager I don't think he had any intention of being anything resembling a white nationalist -- I think it was more just a confused kid's reaction to stuff he probably heard growing up in DC and attending heavily black public schools. What people might today call a reaction of "white fragility."
The "he owns a record label" stuff feels a lot like "Bernie has three houses." I guess in some limited sense it makes him a "capitalist." But the pejorative sense of "capitalist" usually means earning money for nothing by exploiting the labor of others. I suppose you could find some exploitation somewhere in the Dischord chain. Maybe there are underpaid interns, idk. Maybe the company who actually presses their CDs doesn't pay its employees well. I still think overall that the little ecosystem Dischord created was a great thing, and it also probably brought a lot of people into other types of left politics. I would bet that, among today's left who are old enough to have gone to Fugazi shows, you'd find a lot of Fugazi fans.
So, no, I reject the idea that they were "problematic."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:12 (three years ago) link
yes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
I didn't mean (assuming you meant my post) that "he owns a record label" as indication that MacKaye is the Man or anything. Just a statement of fact. He owns a record label that he founded decades ago, he owns a house in NoVa that he bought decades ago. They both have value. The only way he could *not* be worth some money is if he gave them away. And for that matter, he's recorded hundreds of sessions for free, spent lots of that money releasing those sessions, gave up no doubt even more money through more equitable (and not predatory) agreements with the bands on that label, let untold numbers of people crash or work in that house rent free, etc. I don't think he's "problematic" at all, certainly not by today's standards. If anything he remains some sort of platonic ideal of how to be an ethical businessman in a business that actively discourages such a thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
TBC, I think it's worth interrogating the idea that DIY is any kind of substantive left politics. But I also think DIY can be a human thing that's good on a human level, like hugging or dancing or food that tastes good. I don't think we should extend it into a political philosophy or buy into any myth that we are better off with everything being smaller scale and less interconnected. But I also don't think the whole concept should be thrown out.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link
I'm not sure DIY is at its core necessarily close to a leftist policy. Just look at all the lunatics with "go bags" or survivalist gear or shelters full of wheat or whatever. I think the reason MacKaye et al. favored DIY was because it allowed them to (for lack of a better phrase) control the means of production, which some obviously branded as political. But in reality it was ultimately no more political than, say, Black Flag (no leftists) crisscrossing the country in a van finding new places for bands to play.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link
Yes DIY Capitalists who just charged $5 for gigs, reasonable price for cds, vinyl, etc and did lots and lots of benefits
https://dcist.com/story/19/05/06/data-punk-a-new-exhibit-explains-fugazi-with-graphs/?fbclid=IwAR1pTgCx3zstIELy27leCi89DorpPzGmUpUZ37q_K2EaJXz28Bh8D_PHBdI
One infographic maps the non-traditional venues where Fugazi played, from outdoor concerts at Fort Reno, to small churches in Mount Pleasant and Columbia Heights, to the original 9:30 Club near Metro Center.
Another work illustrates how Fugazi raised some $250,000 for local charities by playing around 80 benefit concerts. D.C. organizations that benefited included the Whitman-Walker Clinic, Washington Peace Center, Alexandria Tenants Association and the Women’s Crisis Center
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link
The above data is just regarding dc gigs
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:19 (three years ago) link
I also remember there often being organizers tabling at their shows, which was encouraged.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
Being anti-capitalist/trying to live ethically under capitalism does not not require giving away all earnings beyond a subsistence amount, not owning property, or being bad at capitalism imo.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link
the only band of any repute I've personally seen eschew merch tables and distribute literature / fundraise instead is Propagandhi
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
Fugazi def did it
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
oh yes I was just mentioning to emphasize how rare that is
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
i mean...they could have easily doubled ticket prices and sold out every show no question....and sold merch instead of having organizer tables...i don't think it's crazy to think they left $10K on the table every single 21+ club show they played, not to mention all the all-ages gigs or non trad show
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
I remember when they played the Aragon in Chicago in the summer of '93, because Aragon was a Ticketmaster venue, they couldn't get around the service charges. So tickets were $5.30. I can't imagine how they were able to get Ticketbastard to agree to a 30 cent service charge, but they never played the Aragon again (opting for the far better-sounding Congress Theater in 1998...and weirdly, of the five Fugazi shows I saw, the two in Chicago were by far the weakest).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
I don't think it was ever a strict rule to keep it to 5.... just low enough that normal people could afford it, costs were covered plus they could give someone their money back and ask them to leave it that person was a dick. the last shows they did in london 2002 were £8.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
which is still mega low obviously
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
One thing I do remember is at their peak (91-93) when they sold out large venues (speaking specifically of the Hollywood Palladium, 3800 capacity) they would keep adding dates and shifting tour dates around to accommodate demand.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
($6 though...)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
lol ;)
MacKaye has famously cited the Aragon show as the only Fugazi show that actually *cost* them money.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
I think it's in here:
https://www.soundopinions.org/show/722
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
Maybe they didn't lost money. Not from sound opinions but here's the story I found:
Now think about the fact that one of the skyrocketing costs of all the shows was security. I mean, there was a show we did in Chicago where the barricade made four times as much money as we did. The BARRICADE. And because you have a barricade, then you must have security people. You have to have security people - crowd management people - between the stage and the barricade. Because the barricade is a hole. So once you put a barricade in, then you have to staff the barricade. So it just costs more and more money, and this results in higher ticket prices. So these people that were just 'having fun' and just 'going off' - what they were really doing was they were perverting the peoples' music. They were creating a corporate climate. Do you follow?This is something that I've spent a lot of time thinking about. I mean, this barricade in Chicago - we played at this place called I think the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, and at that time there was these 'T' barricades. Are you familiar with that? It was a giant room that held 5,000 people, and the barricade was shaped like a 'T,' so you had the horizontal bit in front of the stage, but then right in the middle there was a barricade that goes straight down dividing the 'pit,' so to speak -- or the 'crowd,' if you prefer -- into two. But then you had to bring in even more security people to be in the middle slot. And we argued and argued about it, but the fix was in. The security people were connected, insurance rates drove up costs, and everything was just creating this insane confluence of things that jacked the cost of the show higher and higher and higher. I couldn't get them to waive it, so finally I said that I insisted that we include in the budget 100 balloons and a can of helium. And the guy was like, "What? What are you talking about!?" And I said, "If you're gonna have such a draconian set-up, and since when people are entering the room that's the first thing they'll see, it sets a contrary tone. So as a form of protest and an absurdity, I would like to soften it by having balloons tied to it all the way around." They did it! But I was just spitting in the wind, because that night we just got banged. We had 3900 people at that show, and we made less than the guy that drove the forklift. That's the risk we took by working percentages.
This is something that I've spent a lot of time thinking about. I mean, this barricade in Chicago - we played at this place called I think the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, and at that time there was these 'T' barricades. Are you familiar with that? It was a giant room that held 5,000 people, and the barricade was shaped like a 'T,' so you had the horizontal bit in front of the stage, but then right in the middle there was a barricade that goes straight down dividing the 'pit,' so to speak -- or the 'crowd,' if you prefer -- into two. But then you had to bring in even more security people to be in the middle slot. And we argued and argued about it, but the fix was in. The security people were connected, insurance rates drove up costs, and everything was just creating this insane confluence of things that jacked the cost of the show higher and higher and higher. I couldn't get them to waive it, so finally I said that I insisted that we include in the budget 100 balloons and a can of helium. And the guy was like, "What? What are you talking about!?" And I said, "If you're gonna have such a draconian set-up, and since when people are entering the room that's the first thing they'll see, it sets a contrary tone. So as a form of protest and an absurdity, I would like to soften it by having balloons tied to it all the way around." They did it! But I was just spitting in the wind, because that night we just got banged. We had 3900 people at that show, and we made less than the guy that drove the forklift. That's the risk we took by working percentages.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
Didn't know that (nor do I have any recollection of the balloons)! I saw them again a few weeks later at the college I was attending in Vermont; it was VERY hastily organized, there were rumors that the band was pissed about the lack of publicity, the place was half full (maybe 250-300, if that)...and they apparently did better financially on that show than on a sold-out Aragon show.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
And 3900 was "sold out" for Aragon shows until they started dangerously packing people in. I remember the '96 Sex Pistols show was shoulder-to-shoulder in the very back of the hall.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
Left has already said they were just having some 'fun' with all of this. I knew Left must get some enjoyment out of life somehow somewhere sometime.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:51 (three years ago) link
what I wanted to take issue with was the implication that all this was something more/less than what it is, the idea (which is popular, maybe more popular at the time, in these scenes) that running an "ethical" business, doing benefits, not merchandising in an obvious way, adopting a vegan diet, etc... is not just a (better?) way of operating within the system but is actually substantially outside of or against it. this way of operating sometimes then becomes a standard of purity to hold others to, something they could also have achieved if they'd really cared (and that part is where the ideological distance from neoliberalism becomes less huge than it seems at first)
also, even if these things were really difficult and a lot of money was left on the table, I imagine it was easier for MacKaye to be as successful within his own terms as he was, than it would have been without his relatively privileged background (which is also where GoBW comes in... still no excuse, now or ever)
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link
sorry to keep with the politics but the problem with the "bernie owning houses" thing is that it's raised by people who have no opposition to capitalism or to people owning as many houses as they like - as an attempt to own people who sometimes might be expected to have at least some. not that bernie (or ian) isn't really a capitalist or isn't really bourgeois, or that this kind of wealth is actually ok as long as you're woke enough
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
"this kind of wealth" - ROFLMAO
stay focused on the 1% dude, eyes on the prize
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
I've seen enough.... Ian MacKaye is Elon Musk.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
Not even the richest DC punk rocker .
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link
sorry in what sense is this not wealth. I suppose he's less rich than a few guys
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link
dude I'm probably worth $1 mil on paper and I have $2K in the bank and no retirement
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:32 (three years ago) link
(to be fair >50% of that is my wife)
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
upper middle class =! the 1%
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
I don't really understand the meaning of "ok" in that sentence. Socialism isn't kashrut, it's not a series of laws about what are "ok" individual choices.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
(putting aside that one is his vermont residence, one is his DC residence -- something every member of congress needs -- and one is I believe a lake house his wife inherited from her parents. It's not like they're deliberately accumulating properties)
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
"socialism" is full of normative judgments (eg exploitation is basically a bad thing), some of the theory crowd has always been a bit in denial about this
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
so the defensiveness is really not necessary and there is not really an "ok" level of accumulation including what I engage in. I suppose there are some fundamental differences of opinion about what constitutes being rich. the fact that someone is a capitalist (as in "I've got my own business") or that they own more property than most people ever will should not be controversial though
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
lol are you a Maoist?
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
that's like one step away from Cultural Revolution shit IMHO
THE LOCAL SHOPKEEPER IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
Home ownership in America is somewhere around 65%.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
And a home bought in 1981 or whenever in what has since become one of the most valuable real estate markets in the country is going to go way up, even if you never so much as mowed the grass.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more recordsthe idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
and like you actually have to live somewhere, is owning a home morally wrong when the only option is to participate in the rental market? putting money in the hands of some real estate company?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
Not everyone lives in America, believe it or not.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
To explain Left's perspective, not Ian Mackaye's living arrangements.
I'm not a marxist-leninist but business owners are capitalists in the most literal descriptive sense and it's true that property ownership is a kind of wealth a lot of people won't ever see. I don't know what's so outrageous, is this still about mackaye or something else
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
well now that you've downgraded your blanket judgement from "most" to "a lot" I'd say I'm good
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
again this is like a pragmatist vs idealist debate, like a lot of ILX
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link
yeah if I cared about more than dreaming I would get shit done, anyone can do it as long as they work hard enough and understand that in the real world you have to cut deals
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
being white / male with a college degree from that generation pretty much guarantees you this kind of net worth
― dean bad (map), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
guilty of being (rich) white (male)
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
(from that generation)
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
these new song titles for the deluxe reissue lay it on a bit thick imho
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
Anyone with a net worth of a million bucks or more (and MacKaye is probably significantly ahead of that given his career and age) is in fairly rarified air. The median net worth even for Boomers is like $200k and that’s all tied up in their home equity.
It’s a big who cares here but weird to dismiss a rich guy being rich with some hand waving ‘well evvvvvverybody is like that.’
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
lol Simon
I suppose there are some fundamental differences of opinion about what constitutes being rich.
agreed
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
what is the right amount of money to have?I guess to me he's like "normal people rich" as opposed to like CEOs of big companies or investment dudes like my job before this was at a small PR firm, like 11 employees including the owners, they are my reference for normal ppl rich
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link
some good and interesting takes here but i'll still take the average imperfect and often ineffectual dyed-in-the-wool-cap MRR-style 90s leftist punk - who at least had their hearts and brains in the right place - over their modern counterpart who decries capitalism, corporatization, and wealth inequality while simultaneously sucking at the teet of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, and Twitter
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ZVPOsX0AACj17.jpg
― your passion oozzes from the (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
Rich vs wealthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA4ufNSE7l0
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more records
the idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:02 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:04 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm and otm.
I probably spent something like 100$ on Fugazi/Dischord stuff over the past 10 years (with a 15% sales taxe, that's 15 for my two level of governments). That's why he has the net worth he does, that's pretty much it. I don't think there is anything sinister with that sort of transactions.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
How would you all rate dischord in the pantheon of record labels just in terms of shipping product, keeping things in stock, paying people what they're owed on time, etc...?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
A+ from all accounts
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
I listened to the 3hr Bandsplain episode on Fugazi on a recent long drive. I didn't learn a huge amount but Brandon Stosuy is good company and of course the tunes were great. Aside, but this daft Britisher is constantly surprised that Guy's name is pronounced (unvoiced G) Gee Pi-CHOT-oh.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 9 September 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
Ha. This American living in DC area sometimes heard his last name pronounced multiple ways
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 September 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
I'm reading the 33 1/3 In On the Kill Taker and it's really good. I've had a day listening to lots of Egg Hunt and Rites of Spring. My god what a talented scene.
Has anyone dipped into the live archive? I've not and was hoping someone would know where to start...
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 18 September 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
This blog may help.
― JRN, Saturday, 18 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
Perfect, cheers.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 September 2021 08:55 (two years ago) link
The first time I crossed the border from the North of ireland into the Republic was for the McGonagles gig that is talked about on the blog that is linked to by JRN. So 31 years ago last Friday. Thanks wouldn't have thought of that if i hadn't seen that.& I think first time i came to Galway would be within about a week afterwards.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 19 September 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link
I’m still so sad to have missed the initial release (and thus the physical CD editions).
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 19 September 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link
I grabbed the physical editions of at least the first set at the time, and iirc I think they're just CD-Rs (that Joe burned?) with the same basic reused artwork. Though honestly I haven't taken out the actual CDs for years, so maybe they're not CD-Rs? That's how I remember them at least.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 September 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link
If I can shill for one second. A friend of mine has just started up a new little bespoke label, and the first release is this collab between Brendan and sound artist Stephen Vitiello.
https://playneutral.bandcamp.com/
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:03 (two years ago) link
Mods are asleep, post Long Hair Ian: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU5hejWDRHj/
― JRN, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
xpost: listening now, sounds cool!
― JRN, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
this is really cool, thanks. Taylor Deupree involvement! and Rebecca Gates is thanked for some reason <3
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
Also, happy 20th birthday, The Argument!https://www.stereogum.com/2164172/the-argument-turns-20/reviews/the-anniversary/
― fragglerock, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
oh no i’m old
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link
The Argument Turns 20
In 15 years of doing Fugazi
Oh shit i never really put these numbers together, that they have not been a band longer than they were. Still by far the band I most regret not seeing live.
― joygoat, Saturday, 16 October 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
The Vitiello / Canty collab is so great!
― raven, Saturday, 16 October 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link
They were a force of nature live
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 October 2021 13:30 (two years ago) link
I saw them three times and every one of those times Ian stopped mid-song to dress down some jackass trying to crowd surf. Money well spent!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 16 October 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
I maintain to this day that I saw Ian whallop a stage invader with his guitar when they played Brixton Academy on the Red Medicine tour
― thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Monday, 18 October 2021 07:21 (two years ago) link
I saw them at least twice at Fort Reno in DC, once at the Electric Factory in Philly, once at Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ, and I feel like there's at least one more I'm forgetting. One of them was in fact, I am pretty sure, the famous "I saw you eating ice cream!" show memorialized in Instrument, something I have only pieced together from vague memory combined with friend's account.
Re the berating (which happened at all of my shows too), I have a running joke with a friend about how Ian is "Dad" and Guy is "Mom." At the first show I went to, the Killtaker tour, it was worse than crowdsurfing, it was skinheads stomping people, including my friend who was in the pit. We were 14 years old. The crew let us sit and watch from the back of their truck after.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
Absolutely electrifying live show, and the "YOU! YOU DOING THAT CRAZY, VIOLENT, SWINGY ARMS DANCE!" moments were every bit as much a part of it as Dark Star was for Dead shows.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
*(not a direct quote)
This is the 'ice cream' gig - https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series/washington-dc-usa-80993
― Maresn3st, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Right, yup. That would in fact have been the same one at which my friend got kicked by skinheads and we wound up sitting on the truck. First one I went to.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
Said gig is discussed in the introduction of Joe Gross's In On the Kill Taker book.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
At the time I remember in the zines of the era there was a fair amount of clowning on Fugazi for show stopping and "policing" the crowds, but, as a relative slight (at the time anyway) teenager any really big punk/alternative shows at the time (91-95 esp in my experience) were so violent and could be so scary there were times I didn't even want to go see bands. Nirvana busting through to mainstream and moshing/slamming being on MTV made it instantly de rigueur for every single show where the bpms got above 80 and the spike in jocks at like every show. People were going to see bands to start fights essentially.
Add to that the low bar for entry to Fugazi shows (all ages/5 bucks) made them pretty much ground zero for all kinds of terrible behavior in the audience and I was always so happy and thrilled when Ian would call out some asshole and give him his five bucks back and tell him to leave.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I mean I've always been a bit of a wuss, but if it's between "uncool policing" and "kids getting kicked in the head with steel-toed boots" I'm on the side of uncool policing.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 October 2021 19:11 (two years ago) link
Yes! I too always loved the scolding. I saw em for the first time at a tiny place (upstairs I even think it was) in Burlington Vermont. I had never heard them before, and I also hadn't heard about the Rodney King video, which had just come out, and they talked about it. I think they opened with the volume swells on "Turnover" which was incredibly exciting. All of it made me a lifetime fan.
Later that summer after Steady Diet had come out I saw them in Detroit at a bigger theater (the Majestic?). It was the day after the first Lollapalooza had played at the outdoor ampitheater in the suburbs, Pine Knob. Nation of Ulysses opened. There were frightening skinheads everywhere and it was the only time I ever felt genuinely unsafe at a show. Ian and Guy were on them the whole show.
― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
am pretty sure an acquaintance got the boot from the one time fugazi played reno (the city) in the late 90s. i didn't go because i was such a cool hiphop kid at the time, but i remember some of my skater friends went and they said it was good, but also kind of goofed on the band for being so militant about it.
sidenote: said skater friends asked me for a ride to the show and offered to buy me a ticket, a SUPER BURRITO™, and give me gas money. because i was such a cool hiphop kid, i had to decline. uhh, yeah.
― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link
They even knew enough not to buy you an ice cream to bring into the show.
― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
Nirvana busting through to mainstream and moshing/slamming being on MTV made it instantly de rigueur for every single show where the bpms got above 80 and the spike in jocks at like every show. People were going to see bands to start fights essentially.
FTR this predated Nirvana. I first noticed it at a Red Hot Chili Peppers show in 1990. The pit was full of thick-necked assholes in Duke caps randomly punching people.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link
The one Fugazi show I saw (Exeter, UK, 2002) someone attempted to crowd surf and the crowd just parted. They got carried out covered in their own blood from a head wound. Ian stopped and gave a short lecture, obviously.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
I remember seeing "slamdancing" at the very first show I went to, Living Colour circa 92. So it had already migrated beyond hardcore punk by then into bigger bands.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link
I also have a vague memory of being at a Dead Milkmen show and someone breaking their arm in the pit. I generally stayed away from the pit at that age (we're talking like middle school).
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link
FTR this predated Nirvana. I first noticed it at a Red Hot Chili Peppers show in 1990
Yeah I meant more like They Might Be Giants where I saw slamming and crowd-surfing in the era
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link
Their penultimate UK tour they played this scary-ass, over-sold venue in East London, the Rex, and some guy who'd been snapping the show from the stage gave his camera to someone else side of stage and did a huge leap into the crowd. When he got back onstage, Ian made him stand up, stripped his photo pass from him and, after a sturdy lecture, sent him back into the crowd, onstage privileges permanently revoked.
Their last UK tour I saw them in Brighton, and they had this awesome local band Cats On Form playing support. I was reviewing for Kerrang!, and the photographer, Nick Stevens, took this fantastic shot of Guy pretty much doing the splits while playing guitar in that awesome Nijinsky-of-hardcore style he's made his own. It was such a good photo that Kerrang! included it as a pull-out poster a couple of weeks later, and blown up to A3 or whatever you could clearly see Cat On Form watching, sat on the side of the stage, watching in awe. This band influenced so many other groups, and that influence can only have been positive.
https://live.staticflickr.com/3663/3407839766_320d1d9ea1_b.jpg
― thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 07:42 (two years ago) link
I was at the Rex show as well. I remember Ian issuing a stern rebuking to a guy about flyer distribution (he had thrown a load of flyers on stage).
― Position Position, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 12:53 (two years ago) link
Dear Justice (don't) Litter
― thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, October 19, 2021 5:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
the height of this for me was watching some concert on MTV and people were crowdsurfing to "Linger" by the Cranberries
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:36 (two years ago) link
do u have todo u have todo u have to mosh to "linger"
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
https://podbay.fm/p/the-alphabetical-fugazi
― pain like the sound of tears, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 03:34 (two years ago) link
^Thanks!
― JRN, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 04:47 (two years ago) link
That's awesome.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 13:54 (two years ago) link
Saw dcer Chris Richards loving and touting that. Haven’t listened yet myself
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 19:33 (two years ago) link
oh wow, looks like I have my next several weeks of podcast bingeing cut out for me then.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 19:41 (two years ago) link
The wrap up conversation with Guy and Ian is incredible.
― Freeze Instr., Wednesday, 16 February 2022 05:18 (two years ago) link
Most interesting part for me was the thing about the drums on Margin Walker being sample-replaced without the band's knowledge, and no one knowing about it for all those years.
― JRN, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:06 (two years ago) link
:O
― bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Thursday, 17 February 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link
Very much hoping some enterprising soul is listening to the wrap-up episode and is now writing to Ian to take charge of the process of editing and releasing all the amazing rehearsal recordings they have <praying hands emoji>.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 18 February 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/WgwoJYN.jpg
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 19:35 (one year ago) link
lol
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
I saw the debut of new doc “We are Fugazi from Washington D.C.” Saturday night. It’s not a conventional doc but is instead a series of old live gig songs, a few old interviews, footage from a dc exhibit from 2019 with data about Fugazi dc gigs and how most were for charitable causes . Plus new interviews with the folks who lugged big video cameras in those pre- I phone days to Fugazi gigs . The doc was put together by Joseph Pattisall ( who had done a doc on dc graffiti artist Cool Disco Dan); Jeff Krulik ( Heavy Metal Parking Lot ); and Joe Gross ( wrote a 33 1/3 on a Fugazi album and used to live in DC area before going to Austin). Ian Mackaye was involved in helping provide access to some audio of shows and film footage and knowing some folks who made films .
I enjoyed it. Some aspects might not be clear to those not familiar with band. The semi famous “ice cream eater” spiel from a Fort Reno park in Dc show is included plus lots of other dc gig footage as well as from shows elsewhere in the world. Most not on YouTube. One omission that surprised me was no footage of “No blood for oil “ protest gig in Lafayette Park by the White House.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
I may go see it at AFI when I'm in DC - they added dates. I may even see myself.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 February 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link
Is there Mark Anderson content?
I have, um, some feels about Positive Force
― Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 February 2023 19:45 (one year ago) link
Yes, you even see a young Mark. I had some up and down uh feels about Positive Force . But more up than down. There is also the 2019 data study guy who looked back at all the Fugazi free and benefit shows. But it doesn’t go into deep detail about Positive Force.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link
Tickets still available for the 18th and 23rd. At opening night there were folks there who came from Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, New Jersey
At the Q and an after the screening, an East LA guy now in his 40s spoke about how inspired he was by seeing them when he was 14 at the Anti Club in Los Angeles.
I kept looking for myself in the crowd footage of various DC shows but didn’t see myself. The crowd at Fort Reno park free Fugazi gigs were in the thousands. The bands that play there now just draw 100 at most
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
The folks whose live and interview footage was used were there and they discussed afterwards the difference between lugging big old video cameras then and using cellphones now. Jim Saah who is also a professional photographer and has a book of dc punk and more photos out, was doing the standard over age 50 grumbling about people holding up cell phones and doing bad quality footage. Another participant Sohrab who used to play in bands responded to him— I was 14 then and my skill level was terrible. I was lucky enough to have parents who had a big video camera and let me use it. Who are you to set rules now regarding who is allowed to tape and who isn’t.
While there were women photographers at Fugazi shows back in the day, none of the video folks in the doc and at the AFI Silver were female.
Unrelated observation—Also while the film has some brief old interviews with Ian and Guy, there’s no interviews with drummer Brendan or bassist Joe Lally.
Oh, one of my fave clips in the movie is when Amy Pickering , who worked At Dischord and played in bands, was the guest vocalist on “Suggestion.” Having Amy sing lyrics including “Why Can’t I walk down the street free of suggestion “ made the song so much more powerful
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure the last significant time we went to Fort Reno was the allegedly final Dismemberment Plan show (2003 or 04?). It was absolutely pouring rain and there was cake. Were you at that show, curmudgeon? My main man Jason Hutto (appearing as "The Aquarium") sang "someone left my cake out in the rain." Then his keyboard shorted out due to rain and things started to fall apart.
Travis said that it was bullshit and they would do another club gig in the fall to make it up to Plan fans. I don't remember going to their last 9:30 show but we saw Travis solo at Galaxy Hut shortly thereafter. He played Ludacris and Mary J. Blige.
We may have been once or twice since, but the magic was kinda gone and it wasn't the same.
I met my now-wife through these connections, so they retain sentimental value even though it wasn't quite my music at the time. She was a big PFDC devotee so I got exposure to that scene mainly through her.
We've seen various Minor Threat and Fugazi-adjacent acts but I don't think either of us ever went to a Fugazi gig. Some years later we lived on 10th Street and our local 7-11 and dry cleaner was upstairs from Dischord.
Fun times.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
Hopefully much better to have a plethora of footage than have things skipped. THough hope it doesn't mean things aren't valorised as worthySuch a shame that there is no Pere Ubu pre Birdies from Urgh A Music War or the only classic era classic line up Television is the clipmof Foxhole that was on OGWT, though do dream that there may be more of that appear at some point. There's so much more with Richard Hell for some reason.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link
they sound like red hot chili peppers. some good songs though.
― CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link
Frusciante of RHCP was a Fugazi fan. But whatever
X-post — yeah I think I was at that Dismemberment Plan Fort Reno gig
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
xp where is the Fugazi song with slap bass, "funky" scratch guitar, and Kiedis-style vox?
Or maybe the question I'm asking is, where is the RHCP song that sounds like "Facet Squared"???
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
https://external-preview.redd.it/DyGgfXk_6agulpnt8MsRjLSPVoZZouUpXbRs3ITWJKE.jpg?auto=webp&s=6e80f3d9d0975a20c7201c1e03407e728482a922
"Flippy-dippy doo, flippy doopy doo-doo!"
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2013+Coachella+Valley+Music+Arts+Festival+eBKFlxy5vMel.jpg"Why can't I walk down the streeeet, free from bass-slappin' ..."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wweoL5v9vW8
sorry to ruin a fugazi thread with a video of the red hot chili peppers playing live but you'll hear "latest disgrace" at the top
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
That's cool. Imagining an alternate world where Joe Lally wriggled around like Flea.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
I don't have a specific memory of it, but statistically speaking I am pretty sure I bought a cup of Haagen-Dazs raspberry sorbet from that guy at least twice.
I do get a little tired of thinking about him, though, because he had a brief period of urgent relevance and has had an EXTREMELY long period of being interviewed about his brief period of urgent relevance.
You know how Olympic gymnasts peak at approximately age 14? and then spend the rest of their lives coping with the fact that they were globally famous when they were 14 and now they're just... normal people? Yeah, that.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link
Taking sides: Häagen-Dazs vs. Frusen Glädjé
It's like the death metal of dessert products
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:29 (one year ago) link
some of their songs sound like rhcp
― CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
No they don't
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link
I don't ever wanna feelI'm in the waiting room
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link
brief period of urgent relevance
uhhh if you think of 1981-2001 (20 years) as "brief", I guess?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
Joe Lally’s dub reggae inspired bass playing seems different than Flea’s funk influenced bass
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:44 (one year ago) link
Sleeve, comrade,I like you and I like Ian and Brendan and the whole crowd.
But seriously. When a documentary filmmaker interviews someone with the last name MacKaye, they are not asking him questions about what he was up to in 2001.
Just kinda guessing here but I think most people want to know about the period of highest urgency, which is 1980 or 81 to 1990 or 91.
If you or someone you know was deeply into Fugazi in 2001, well, good for you. Pat yourself on the back for how well-versed you are in harDCore. Congrats.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:09 (one year ago) link
I assume MacKaye has spent the majority of the last 20 years methodically transferring live recordings and videos to digital storage.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:21 (one year ago) link
https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series
They often used the audio from here for the movie doc rather than the sound recorded by the video cameras
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 04:39 (one year ago) link
Most of the songs in the doc are from the first two albums.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:35 (one year ago) link
YMP drop the old guy act, plenty of people I know found this band extremely inspiring in the late 90s and beyond, sorry you're jaded
PS I have lived on the west coast for 30+ years, the band's enduring influence has nothing to do with your insular DC viewpoint
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 06:01 (one year ago) link
and re: questions asked in some doc I will never see, well maybe they should be asking about the Evens and maybe the 2005 tour with The Ex or y'know any of the other cool things Ian & Amy have been up to, do the fucking homework
at least they're fucking trying...
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 06:03 (one year ago) link
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 09:46 (one year ago) link
I think it was on the Kreative Kontrol podcast a couple of years ago that MacKaye talked about things such as keeping Dischord records going and the importance of reissuing/keeping the back catalogue in print, migrating to Bandcamp, etc.
He seems to feel that his role is as a curator nowadays, and that's how he keeps busy, I forgot that Dischord was based on handshake contracts. He certainly has historian/journalistic instincts, inherited from his mother.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 10:19 (one year ago) link
hi dere, midwest hxc kid here, saw fugazi for the only time in 2001 and it was amazing
your opinions on this are weird, tho not as weird as the chili peppers guy
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 10:59 (one year ago) link
I was also at the AFI screening on Saturday night. The whole thing took shape in just a period of months when someone realized 2002 was the anniversary of Fugazi's last show. One of the performances shown was inserted like a week before the screening. It seems like they initially didn't even want to call it a documentary but there are interviews and inserts that lead me to believe they might keep working on it and release it as a doc at some point.
Was a fun time seeing something like the "Glue Man" performance in Olympia (shot by Lance Bangs, who was also in attendance) on the big AFI main theater screen.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:55 (one year ago) link
*2022 was the anniversary, rather.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
Sorry I've been testy, folks, just having a bad patch lately and it's coming out in weird unnecessarily strong opinions
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:22 (one year ago) link
Yeah, MacKaye I get the feeling is mostly in curator mode. It's not like he's some talking head media whore, out there seeking the spotlight. I think (like Albini) he's just doing his thing, but always happy to answer the phone.
Brendan seems busiest, then Joe, then ... I have no idea what Guy is up to.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:06 (one year ago) link
If Ian is doing nothing more than making sure Dischord has the most efficient and easiest to deal with mail order service on planet Earth than that is enough
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
this was pretty recent long interview with Guyhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/2rrhS2MD7xlcs5eQLOUEKw?si=ebd2810b15ce4383
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
sorry for my unnecessarily testy reply, I'm a dick. But Fugazi in 2001 were a fantastic band, still at their peak IMO!
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 16 February 2023 11:24 (one year ago) link
THink I may be missing out on a lot by being more familiar with the band from the early 90s. When they were quite incredible anyway.Still can't get over somebody from Ugly Things saying taht Fugazi had nothing to do with punk, were more to do with math rock. Seems to exist in a world where their own history and prehistory was erased if that were true. Surely that is way more than opinion. I thought that they were incredibly influential on more punky bands even once they had developed to a point when they weren't immediately connected to 'punk' sonically. Thought they were laying blueprints for exploration and ethical conduct anyway.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 16 February 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link
you're not a dick, stevie
― tajmahalia jackson (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 February 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link
98-2001>88-91
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3li8fui6XcI
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link
End Hits 4 lyfe
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
We are Fugazi concert film is showing in Philadelphia one night only June 11 . It just had an extended run in DC area at the AfI Silver that is scheduled to end tonight April 20
We Are Fugazi From Washington, DC exclusive Philly engagement at PhilaMOCA on Sunday, June 11, 7:00 PM. Tickets are on sale now: https://t.co/DUz5rS8shz pic.twitter.com/MewztvIVH3— PhilaMOCA (@PhilaMOCA) April 20, 2023
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:24 (eleven months ago) link
And another showing in Harrisburg, PA on May 19
WE ARE FUGAZI FROM WASHINGTON, DC - HARRISBURG SCREENING - With Filmmaker Jeff Krulik In Person!
First Screening Outside of Maryland / DC area!One Night Only! In conjunction with the 24th Annual Moviate Underground Film Festival!
https://allevents.in/harrisburg/we-are-fugazi-from-washington-dc-harrisburg-screening-with-filmmaker-jeff-krulik-in-person/200024480512020
Brooklyn NY showing tba
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 21:13 (eleven months ago) link