100 Reasons Why "Ignition - Remix" Is So Damned Great

This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got evey man in her wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun

me: is this a coke ad?

nancy: yeah, i think so.

me: this sure has been on a long time

nancy: yeah.

me: holy fuck, this is that r kelly song everyone on ilm is talking about!!

nancy: wow.

me: i hope they play it again.

nancy: yeah.

me: is THIS a coke commerical?

nancy: i'm really confused now.

22. Am I the only one who thinks he sounds like he's been through some shit on this song? Maybe that's my projecting real life onto the song. There's just way too much soul for a song about downing mix drinks, and you can almost here him trying. I mean, it sounds like he really needs to have fun this freakin' weekend or he's gonna stress out.

Actually, that's only in part of the song, and that juxtaposed with his obvious lust for partying has a great effect.

'thru ma 'fro' - wordplay. sweet.

26. There's something about the production that sounds stripped down just enough so it seems to (cough) "bear the devices"--I'm thinking of the drum fills just before the chorus, and the aforementioned synth line, even the way he double-tracks his vocals ("Sippin' on coke and rum [rum]/I'm like so what I'm drunk [drunk]")....It's like each device calls a bit of attention to itself because the overall production is so sparse (by contemporary standards). Even the relatively langorous way he sings "bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce" (I take it she's bouncing very slowly) calls more attention to that word than a typical R&B/hiphop track where "bounce" would be one of a zillion instructions spit out in 20 seconds or less.

28. The good grammar: "Food everywhere / as if the party was catered"

I'd like to hear R. get busy a capella like on the second track of Night Beat.

*I have also expressed the same feelings about this song, but I was wrong.

42. Because the entire first verse has been reconstructed to sound like it's a prelude to a song that then (once the chorus kicks in) suddenly exists.

44. r kelly has never once sported a 'fro to my knowledge

45. does this mean he referring to hair, um, elsewhere than his head?

he struck me as a complete tosspot long before those stories emerged, for what its worth (apparently nada)

as another aside, i feel this IS the correct way to think about it...but still i doubt i will ever like the song.

I'm totally with #7. I love that he identifies the song as a remix--it's a song about itself!

Plus:

50) His green-and-white wristband.

77. you'll spend the rest of yr time wondering abt that one shot.

(ps. Beyonce & Jigga's new single pretty much kills this tune)

80. at least as good as kelly rowland's last one

Goddamnit! Why I have I not heard this yet. Who DENIES me?

In context:

now its like Murder She Wrote
once I get you out them clothes
privacy is on the door
still they can hear you screamin' more
girl im feelin what you feelin
no more hopin' and wishin'
I'm 'bout to take my key and
stick it in the ignition

I......can't.....stop.....listening.....to......it.

111) What does this song have in common with the original "Ignition" besides some lyrical similarities, chiefly the really awful "stick my key in the ignition" vagina/woman = car thing? How is a completely different song on every level a remix?

also, I think "Murder She Wrote" is being employed with the same meaning as "that's all she wrote". that is, it's ovah.

Exactly what I was thinking.

But "murder" and "that's all" have the same number of syllables! Why sing "murder" instead?

So weird! But I like it.

You have to hear the two side by side on the album for it to really click.

The only R Kelly album which I own is the record with Jay-Z, which has some fantastic stuff on it, "Honey" and "Shake Yo Body" in particular.

There's also the whole "I'm-a murder that coochie" vibe there that is mighty distasteful if you think about it much but who's thinking? To think is not TO DO. And that's ALL he wants to do.

The title track and "Snake" are pretty great, but the album, on the whole, is unremarkable.

113) How slow is this damn song? You can't mix it with anything. The party slows down like bullet time when the man walks in.

114) Said party is suspiciously like a gender-segregated seventh grade dance: fellas on the left, honeys on the right. The ringmaster's job is to bring them together.

115) Stretch Navigator...yes, a simple Navigator isn't enough to contain this party; however, all overt bling (Cristal, Nav) is strictly throwaway in the verses. The important stuff is in the chorus. Toot toot.

116) *Freakin'?* Who says freakin'? It's like he just finished watching Goodfellas and Casino on broadcast television before he wrote the chorus.

the nerdy clothing jewellery mix, the crouchy dance, that video is great.

he doesn't have a fro in the vid = it's all about the wanting/ the dreaming, ever been at a cool party but thought damn..if only (x) would happen this would be a McCutchian perfect moment.

119. As noted by Tim F, the fronthanded backhandedness of the bawdy insinuation of those kick drums.

There was a spot on the Saturday Show at the weekend where one of Blazing Squad was dj-ing, mixing it with garage. Sounded great.

121. Also, I have to reiterate: "And after the show, it's the afterparty/And after the party it's the hotel lobby/'Round about 4 you gotta clear the lobby/And take it to your room and ___ somebody."

The beat is horrible. There's no meat or presence to it whatsoever. It doesn't even try to work a mellow groove; it just sits there and farts along like a senile gassy grandmother. R Kelly's singing cadence is HELLA ANNOYING in this song; it's like he's doing a Wierd Al parody of himself with every vestige of humor carefully excised with surgical precision. The song itself is dumb even by R. Kelly standards; the robo-delivery highlights this in the worst possible way.

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE IT HAS THE WORST CHORUS ON THE RADIO. Even Eminem's deeply-embarassing yelping in "Sing For The Moment" is better than this shit. Also, for such an allegedly-catchy song I'm having a really difficult time remembering how it goes.

(kidding kidding please don't yell at me)

no you didn't

There's no law against him intruding into 'your' thread. I like it when people ignore the petty strictures of thread makers. You can always edit out his comment when/if you revise your web page if you think it spoils the 'momentum' (oh and because his post didn't have a number, let's not forget that).

(not actually kidding, my response to Dan was in the spirit fun, not the fun-free dour game yer bringin' - also, this stopped being my thread at #100 if not before, and I uploaded last night)

(ps please number your contributions, thanks)

In the spirit of the thread I'll say one positive thing:

122. The song doesn't go on for 20 minutes.

124) but the version I just finished putting together in AcidPro does and is winging its way toward your inbox even as we speak

*Jess beats Ned down*

134. I haven't heard this song in a few weeks (I want to listen to it now!) but reading through this thread brings the whole beautiful thing back. (Also, as someone who's only recently started listening to Top 40 radio again, that's how I knew it was a good song: after I heard it once, it was in my head all the damn time.)

135. I was just singing it a few minutes ago with a 21-year-old African-American girl I work with. She sang most of it; I did some bass harmony on "after party" and "hotel lobby."

Sheesh - the wit, wonder and wisdom of R Kelly?

Please..........

138. (oh alright then). Dan he means (I think) those periodic beefy snare rolls that, as well as giving an exciting lift at various points, also serve to fill in the gap between 'and' and 'somebody' on the last line of the last verse).

Oh dear......

btw: The "murder she wrote" line requires reference to the dancehall original. Chaka Demus and Pliers sing 'bout hot gal wit di angel face and di devil heart. Dem gal act "flirty flirty" when dem "character dutty."

I think this is the kind of chick Mr. Kelly is talkin' about.

Oh, and that lazy fall into the chorus. Heavenly.

I don't, however, really feel the dancehall here...it's WAY too slow and lazy. It's got more of that Club Med reggae vibe. If it was over something like the diwali (see Wayne Marshall's "No Letting Go"), I might be willing to agree. Even then, dancehall deejays are anything but lazy and that's the charm of this tune.

162. But the song holds up despite the bad parody.

164. Ain't/no/half/steppin'

Wait, we are talking about Dynamix II, right?

same chords/bassline

One Love.

----this is the sound of me backing out the thread slowly.

still great

359. this is the only song i listened to the year i graduated from high school and is inextricably tied up in my mind with weeks on end being drunk with high school friends and having the best time of my entire life smoking metric tons of weed in my garage

bump.i was just watching music videos on youtube and was reminded of this ,easily my favourite ever thread about music

This thread makes up for any Egyptian Lover-related beardiness twice over.

A few years ago, on his blog, the white folk rocker John Darnielle declared his admiration for R. Kelly’s new R. & B. single “Ignition.” Thirty years ago, Darnielle might have attempted to imitate R. Kelly’s perverse and feather-light soul. Now he’s just a fan.

^^^was gonna make this zing when i saw thread had been bumped

Probably has the best example in music of rhyming a word with itself, specifically "lobby".

This is gonna be a highlight of future VH1 'I Love the 00's!' shows in the future

bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

still the ultimate weekend song

This is my favorite ILM thread.

28. The good grammar: "Food everywhere / as if the party was catered"

― amateurist (amateurist)

Good grammar would be "food everywhere/as if the party were catered".

like "hey ya" or "crazy" this is another song that i love but really don't want to hear ever again

also ruined by the amount of non-rap/r&b listeners who're all OMFG GREATEST SONG EVER R. KELLY LOVE THIS but don't want to dance to say.... "step in the name of love" - yeah it's an awesome song but let's move on

let's step on

seriously tho this is a music snob thing that always kind of annoys me... why so mad at crossover hits and the people who like them? not being a rap/r&b listener isn't a character flaw, isn't it good that people who like other kinds of music have also get exposed to r&b through songs like this?

it's a delicate balance between admitting that the strength of the crossover hit is that it just happens to be awesome & hating people who won't get down to the I Wish remix

but I didn't see a lotta ppl reppin for "You Saved Me" which was also awesome, so there are numerous circles of frontin to be unpacked

...

lol forgot the "s"

jordan s4rgent, weren't you just a year and a half ago all like "I like r&b singles but never would think to listen albums"

genuine lol & genuine pride in having inspired this new screenname

360. this coming on shuffle when you haven't heard it in a year, and you're just walking to a bar on a summer evening

157. this thread made me download a whole bunch of R Kelley songs. the best part of all of them is in "I Wish" when he's talking about this guy who'll "always be his nigga" and he goes "radio don't take the 'nigga' out this song'

― JasonD (JasonD), Monday, June 16, 2003 1:47 PM (6 years ago)

this thread made me put the 4 hours of R. Kelly shit in my iTunes library on shuffle and it's really putting me in a good mood

159. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDqO5iiPoog

160. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDqO5iiPoog&

(I think that's worth at least two spots on this list)

I don't understand why the video of me dancing to Ignition - Remix in the backseat is not a youtube hit

haha so dope

161. It's an Al Green tribute without the slightest hint of reverence.

162. The way the original single of "Ignition" (not the remix) segued into "Now usually I don't do this, but...uh...go on head and break em off with a little previews of the remix" and played the whole first verse of the remix before fading out during the chorus.

like so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MJYZLjc8JQ

I had never heard this song until earlier this week. It's pretty good!

this is the best thread

162. The way the original single of "Ignition" (not the remix) segued into "Now usually I don't do this, but...uh...go on head and break em off with a little previews of the remix" and played the whole first verse of the remix before fading out during the chorus.

― horribly jaded internet person who takes nothing too seriously (The Reverend), Friday, August 28, 2009 9:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^ this is awesome!

Yeah...IIRC the original was out for like 3 months before the remix, so it was like, you know it's coming, what does the rest of it sound like, etc.

^^^this

OK guys so I'm OBSESSED with this song and realized I'm completely unacquainted with the R&B canon. Where should I start if I'm really into this (major-key harmonies, soulful falsetto, etc)?

to be honest i have no idea how to recommend something to you, because knowledge of this song is like a venn diagram overlap of every single human i know, so its kinda hard to know what R&B you actually know.

I recommend starting with an early 'rhythm and blues' compilation from the mid-20th century

woah i had never heard the "original" ignition before and i love it. remix is better but like, not even by that much. besides that "wiik wok wiik wok" guitar line during the chorus and the "bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce" i wouldn't have even thought the two songs were related. would've just assumed they were commonly reoccuring r kelly motifs.

OMG, I listened to this a few times in the past couple days, having been inspired to by this thread & it is like SUPERGLUE ON MY BRAIN - the chorus just keeps cycling over & over and then bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce..

Damn fine song, though, and deserving of all the recent praise.

listening to Suga Free's Doe Doe and Skunk and it feels related. (great lil' slick song) (i looked for a Suga Free thread, but don't think it exists)

toot toot / beep beep = ultimate payoff

ahhhh I listened to it with headphones for the first time and at the end of every line he layers his voice and it echoes and I can't even wax eloquent about it right now because I'm busy furiously clicking the repeat button

163 by the way. wowza

Such a great thread.

Single of the decade.

164. It mixes over "Love Story" by Layo and Bushwacka surprisingly well, as long as you (sadly) take out the awesome hanging chord/extra beat leading into the chorus.

(Love this song, not my usual style but I love it.)

clearly one of my favorite songs of the decade.
one of the only that made me go "wow" the first time I heard it properly.
a kind of "love at first sight" thing !

Single of the decade.

― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy),

Clever.

Haha

I guess I must have dismissed it completely when it first came out (not a big R Kelly/r'n'b stan in general) but you can't mess with this.

GAH OMG totally just noticed the amazing piano bits in this song. It is so laid-back and wonderful and accentuates everything so perfectly. Shit this song just got like three times better.

what the hell is going on in the MJ videos?

Ignition (Remix) is possibly my favourite song of all time. Wrote a piece about it/trapped in the closet for my university's magazine. S#pretty good:

R KELLY – MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS

We all have topics of conversation that repeatedly come up after a few drinks. Mine include Motown (“Oh God, music will never get better than this!”), the work of Shane Meadows (“He just seems really down to earth, top bloke, having a pint with him would be rad!”) and, predominately, trying to persuade people that R. Kelly is a genius rather than a slightly grubby R’n’B star.

Earlier in the decade Kelly was accused to recording himself having sex with an underage girl. Not just regular sex though, oh no. The video allegedly showed him urinating on her. This is possibly why my argument rarely wins people over. Even though he was found guilty on all 14 charges it is hard to erase the case from the memory. And of course we must remember that back in 1994 he married the sadly deceased singer Aaliyah. When she was fifteen. And R had known her since she was twelve. However, I feel that as hard as it can be to do so, we have to separate the personal life from the material the artist produces. People still love Annie Hall and Chinatown regardless of the directors predilections, right?

Whatever you think about his music, it’s impossible to deny the fact that Robert Sylvester Kelly is one of the most fascinating characters in music today. He has managed to ride the waves of controversy that have dogged his career and still remains one of the biggest selling artists in America today. One of the most interesting things about him professionally is his willingness to reveal so much about himself. I remember reading an interview with him in Q magazine a few years back when he discussed the trouble he has in living with the R. Kelly persona that he has created. He said that sometimes he didn’t want to be this sex-loving, club-hopping star bur wanted to ‘just be Robert, the God loving family man (Kelly has three children from his marriage which dissolved at the start of the year). His songs mainly come in two flavours: the upfront sex fueled club banger and the introspective, almost embarrassingly open quiet ones. It’s the former category that appeals to me; if we take it that 95% of all pop music is, and always has been, about sex, then R. is the undisputed king of pop (as we live in the post-Jackson age someone has to take the title). No one writes about sex like he does. This is a man who has songs called ‘Sex Planet’, ‘Good Sex’ and ‘Bangin’ the Headboard;’, a man who sings lines like ‘Girl, I got you so wet it’s like a rainforest/Like Jurassic Park except I’m your sex-a-saurus baby’. You sense that this is a man who does not find sex shameful in any way; rather he is someone who embraces and celebrates everything about his own sexuality. I can’t think of another singer who would holler the line ‘We’re like two gorillas in the jungle baby makin’ love’ in such a matter of fact, un-ironic way.

When I raise the Kelly topic I’m often accused of having an ‘ironic’ liking of him. This is a concept that I don’t fully understand as I don’t subscribe to the notion of guilty pleasures. Irony, in this sense, is something that we use to create a sense of distance between something that we like but feel like we shouldn’t. We feel above the subject, as if our liking of it validates it somehow. There is nothing ‘ironic’ about my love of what is Kelly’s undoubted masterpiece, Ignition (Remix). The song, like so many others in his vast back catalogue, is about going out, having fun and, eventually, having sex. It is, and I have to admit at this point that I’m prone to hyperbole, one of the most joyful three minutes of music ever made. Ignition sounds like every good memory you have of nights out with friends condensed into one blissful sequence that doesn’t end with a hangover. From the moment Kelly intones that he ‘doesn’t usually do this…’ to the moment the vocal drops out and an almost celestial synth line waltzes in and out of the mix, it is a paean to joy. It’s also the last great song to hit the number one spot in the charts (though, in fairness, Yeah! By Usher comes close). Ignition (Remix) cemented Kelly’s position as master of the intro. His other great intro comes from the 1994 smash Bump n’ Grind, when he tells the girl he’s wooing that whilst his ‘mind is telling him no’ his body, his body ‘is telling me yes!’. The conviction in his delivery is almost frightening.

If I haven’t converted the person listening to me by droning on and on about Ignition (Remix) then I play the trump card: Trapped in the Closet, his 22 part hip-hopera. Trapped can easily be viewed as an absurd, pointless, repetitive mess that cannot sustain its narrative for long enough to make it watchable. This is, frankly, a load of rubbish. Trapped in the Closet is one of the defining pop-culture artifacts of the decade. It is in fact a lovingly crafted piece of drama that manages to be incredibly amusing whilst being knowingly silly. It is to Kelly’s credit that this knowingness does not become irritating at any point.

The plot is far too labyrinthine to be turned into a pithy synopsis, but essentially it deals with issues of fidelity, homosexuality, identity and masculinity. Set it in Spain, swap Kelly for Javier Bardem and you’ve got a Pedro Almdovar film. Incidentally, Trapped… shares Almodovar’s fetishization of the telephone. The characters sing-talk their way through a series of hilariously convulted and bizarre situations that involve gay couples, wife swapping and midget strippers. It’s the sheer oddness of the piece that makes it such compulsive vieiwing. Admittedly, some moments when seen in isolation, such as the infamous moment where it’s revealed that there is a man in the cupboard and that man is a midget, which seem laughably bad, but when viewed in order these moments of utter strangeness become oddly plausible.

At several points R. Kelly, who plays the central character Sylvester and several others (including an old drunk and ‘Pimp Lucious’ whose name tells you all you need to know about the character) interjects and comments on the events. This breaking of the fourth wall is obviously a reference to dramatist Bertolt Brecht’s alienation techniques as well as Austrian director Michael Haneke’s classic 1997 film Funny Games. These interjections exemplify the blurring of fiction and reality within the piece that make it so great. The characters are constantly trying to ascertain what exactly has happened to the other characters and work out possible outcomes. There’s even an utterly abstract commentary section wherein R Kelly is sat in a chair pretending to watch the episodes whilst he talks about them as if they were real. He goes on to claim that people often ask him if it’s based on his own experiences and he says that whilst it isn’t it ‘takes a few chapters from real life,’ a statement that makes me realize how mundane my own life is.

Homosexuality is a theme not often explored in the world of ‘urban’ music and it is admirable that Kelly makes two gay characters, Rufus (a pastor) and Chuck (a deacon) two of his main characters. They are not presented as camp but as two ‘normal’ men who fell in love with each other but have to keep this love secret because society would not, they feel, accept it. The fact that both men work for the church adds an interesting frisson to the relationship.

Ok, enough theorizing. The main reason why I love Trapped in the Closet so much is because it’s laugh out loud funny. There are too many good moments to mention but personal highlights include: Sylvester stopping his wife from having sex with because he’s got a cramp in his leg, the rhyming of ‘Rufus and Chuck’ with ‘what the fuck’ (I should mention that the swearing in the piece is absolutely exquisite; every ‘fuck’ and ‘motherfucker’ is a work of art) and the midget literally crapping himself in terror.

Trapped in the Closet is the work of a man who, seemingly, does not care what people think of him. It is an irresistible hour and a half that confirms R. Kelly’s place as one of the most important pop-culture figures working today. Just try not to think about I Believe I Can Fly.

JOSH BAINES

'Even though he was found guilty on all 14 charges it is hard to erase the case from the memory'
^unfortunate typo

oops!

just me or is there a touch of autotune on "mama, ROLLIN that body"

sorta wish it wasn't there but eh whatcha gon do

Nice article Dwight Yorke!

http://aussiered.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/yorke.jpg?w=280&h=430

that was a lot better than a university

er fuck, my finger slipped

post should say: "that was a lot better than a university magazine article entitled 'R.Kelly: Misunderstood Genius' has any right to be"

i can never hear the hanging chord in this btw

it's just an extra measure - it comes right before the chorus - you sorta think the chorus should kick in sooner than it actually does and it leaves you hangin for a second

Thanks, LRN. I think?

xxp I can't hear it either!!

Yeah, it's not really a hanging chord. As Tracer says it's that little bit before the chorus where you hear R say "yeah, c'mon". It delays the chorus coming in slightly, making for false anticipation and breaking from the 4/4 tradition. It's very clever actually, and was what drew me to the song in the first place.

Are you talking about when he says "that's why they say it on the radio" bit? the extra measure?

At several points R. Kelly, who plays the central character Sylvester and several others (including an old drunk and ‘Pimp Lucious’ whose name tells you all you need to know about the character) interjects and comments on the events. This breaking of the fourth wall is obviously a reference to dramatist Bertolt Brecht’s alienation techniques as well as Austrian director Michael Haneke’s classic 1997 film Funny Games

I would wager money that R. Kelly has no idea that Brecht and Haneke exist.

Or I guess it's half a measure depending on how you count the BPM

ignition (single, not remix):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MJYZLjc8JQ

Pies Pies Pies: I was trying to be funny. I liked the idea of Kells watching Funny Games. S'not meant to be a wholly serious piece.

haha okay that does make me feel better because that section, esp. in the context of the rest of the piece, was really making me go o_O

why are ignition and ignition remix on different sides on the vinyl version?

of the album or the single?

album

any threads on "Sex me" and its remix? cuz that shiz is badarse.

Guys, I should listen to R. Kelly more. What album should I get first?

TP-2.com or chocolate factory?

from the 00s era, def choc factory & happy people/u saved me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld5aW0C5iWk

RUNNIN HER HANDS THROUGH MY FRO
BOUNCIN ON 24S
WHILE THEY SAY ON THE RADIO

RUNNIN HER HANDS THROUGH MY FRO
BOUNCIN ON 24S

this is indisputably one of the best rhymes ever

I'M LIKE SO WHAT I'M DRUNK

367. How the outro serves as a summarizing conclusion to the rest of the song.

http://open.spotify.com/album/1f0S7pJCiCC6reYPB7Ypzo

SMOOTH JAZZ COVERS OF KELLS' GREATEST HITS!

it's unbelievable to me that a human being actually wrote this song -- it's such an accepted and perfect american monument that it's easy to forget that it had to be formulated in r. kelly's head and worked on and perfect and honed and all that. at this point it just exists as something that... represents us that it's almost like it was here before we all were. it's like the statue of liberty or something.

anyway

368. how guttural yet clear and pristine he sings "mama roooollin that body" -- he hits such a perfect balance that it's the only line i refuse to sing along to because he just sings it too perfectly that i don't want to deny myself the opportunity of hearing it again

it's unbelievable to me that a human being actually wrote this song -- it's such an accepted and perfect american monument that it's easy to forget that it had to be formulated in r. kelly's head and worked on and perfect and honed and all that. at this point it just exists as something that... represents us that it's almost like it was here before we all were. it's like the statue of liberty or something.

― hitler runoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:26 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is crazy talk, the whole song is so much more a natural extension of the artist's catalog/persona than it is a universal standard singular hit song

i mean "I Believe I Can Fly" fits your description way more

well... i think it's both a universal standard hit song & and an extension of kelly's catalog -- i wasn't trying to imply that it was an outlier or anything -- it's just so perfectly constructed to me that it's almost inhuman

uh oh – auteur theory at work!

ha

369. I've always felt like it sounded like a 70s soul song, but for seven years it escaped me exactly just which one. Then it hit me, it sounds like "Let's Do It Again" by the Staple Singers!

370. Who are from Chicago. Just like R. Kelly. And it was written and produced by Curtis Mayfield, also a Chicagoan. I was in Chicago for a week or two last summer, and both those songs feel exactly like Chicago during the summer.

371. Back to the dancehall inflection on "Mama ROLLIN that body". He really drives the point home with the even more affected "LISTEN NOW!" that follows in the background, as if to remove any ambiguity that he knows exactly what he's doing.

372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzxwnz7q4cQ

http://www.avclub.com/articles/young-the-giant-covers-ignition-remix,71123/

^not one of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwNp5i-TuI

this is, i think, at least a little offensive to ppl that use ASL ("look at how they ~talk~") but g-d i lol'd ok

Released 10 years ago today.

I can't even believe that. Am I just getting old, or has the entirety of post 2000 time blurred together into one big indigestible mass?

Yes.

kids still love this song.

also 2003 was fucking amazing, so expect a lot more of these "omg no wai 10 years ago" deals

we get links

There was no "Ignition" (orig mix), was there?

Crying 4 u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MJYZLjc8JQ

it was a radio hit before the remix dropped. it's on The Chocolate Factory directly before the remix. it's a fucking awesome song, and I hate that the remix has so totally eclipsed it for most people.

xp

I saw Will Oldham and Matt Sweeney cover the original "Ignition" in 2004.

It's not a bad song, but I've been disappointed when I've come across "Ignition" but not "Ignition (Remix)" in karaoke books.

Almost disappointed that there was an "original", it'd be a bit KLF if it didn't though.

Will have to hear it.

yeah I was DJ'ing for some kids one time early 2004 and I accidentally played the original version. they were like literally teenagers though so i think i cared more than they did.

There was no "Sex In The Kitchen" (orig mix) though, was there?

these songs are on platinum-selling albums guys, jeez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lAGRyQyDo0

this is like when kids think the Jerry Lewis voice was originated by The Animaniacs

I feel sorry for anyone not familiar with the joys of "GIRL. I'M. READY. TO. TOSS. YOUR. SALAD." tbh

just remembered this topped Stylus' best-of-decade list three years ago.

haha i knew al was gonna flip at that post

Okay, but there was no "Snake" (orig mix) though, was there?

http://i.imgur.com/yiNyw7B.gif

times change :-(

you can't play this at a wedding anymore, right?

yeah the good old days when people were more willing to overlook that he had raped several girls...??

jesus christ if you had to vet the personal history of every musician before playing their song at a fucking party.

Um a lot of ppl'd get off fine, this fuck wouldn't, boo fuckin hoo

wow this brings it back omg no wai etc

sorry my post was a little harsh but that is the only difference between then and now that i can think of so i find it difficult to feel sad that i won't be hearing this at many weddings as a consequence

I'd gladly support the creation of a "100 Reasons Why 'You Remind Me of Something' Is So Damned Great" thread

I'd be amazed if you could come up with more than 2

be amazed

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/there-actually-is-an-original-ignition-that-isnt-the-remix#.mrJ85MQDvV

How is that not a Clickhole article?

oh dear lord

this is worse than when they wrote a whole article pointing out the 'lone pine mall' in back to the future

Thought we had polled the original vs. the remix at one point

http://i.imgur.com/zKw8dbh.png

so good

what a world

http://pitchfork.com/news/63040-r-kelly-defends-himself-and-bill-cosby-in-revealing-new-gq-interview/

http://www.gq.com/story/r-kelly-confessions

Kelly then tells me a story about “Ignition (Remix)” that is so bizarre and counter-logical that I'll get him to repeat the whole thing tomorrow. It makes so little sense that I assume I have misunderstood. What he tells me is this: that he wrote the basis of “Ignition (Remix)”—including the lyric It's the remix to “Ignition” / hot and fresh out the kitchen…—five or so years before he wrote the song called “Ignition.” (It stayed on the shelf because, initially, he didn't think much of it.) That's really what he's saying: He wrote the remix of a song, with lyrics identifying it as a remixed version, five years before he wrote the “original.” In other words, the song called “Ignition”—which was presented to the world as the song that “Ignition (Remix)” was the remix of—was actually an R. Kelly-style remix of the song we know as “Ignition (Remix).” I talk this through with him, again and again, increasingly mystified, but he really does seem to mean this. “It's ass-backwards,” he admits contentedly.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2020/01/r-kelly-ignition-remix/

sigh, yeah

It is weird going back to these threads and seeing how things have changed

"I remember its creamy confidence"

tmi

Hey John, do you still want to piss on me?? I might not be as big as you as a writer, but type my name. I might be googleable enough for you to rethink your public opinion.

Hate to break it to you, but I just checked your post history and the relevant threads, and JD never said that to you. The fact that you're fixated enough on a seventeen year old mis-remembrance to come onto a thread and make vague threats is a little worrying to me.

Wait so is this solicitation open to like anybody orrrrr

lol

I googled him and this turned up, not sure why he would want to bring it to JD's attention 17 year later on a thread. Must not like small doggies.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dogs-rspca-animal-courts-injury-20505119

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

That totally makes sense, and yeah, reading old R Kelly threads is definitely a fucked-up experience. I've talked about it a lot with friends irl, too - while we may not have known the extent of what he was like, we heard accusations and rumours and completely took part in the diminishing of them to salve our own consciences. Fucking fucked up.

I can’t check back on the thread but imo anyone lashing out about long-ago hurt on an R Kelly thread gets a pass today, a day in which Kelly has been found guilty and faces life in prison

(RL’s post made me check & learn the above, so it’s likely that other posters today are operating without that context too)

Thanks, sic. I was missing that context.

Just read up on it too, so apologies for my flippant post to Robert.

Not a fan of r kelly's music, I honestly could only name one of his songs, and have always found him creepy (I remember the allegations he was married to Aaliyah when she was 15 more than anything about his music) but he certainly deserves to spend a long time in jail for what he has done.

I see Robert Lashley won the WWE championship earlier this year, so congratulations Mr. Robert.

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

It's a light jam, it's kinda hard to hate on even discarding the token hype or knowing what kind of person the artist is (which I certainly didn't when I first heard Ignition remix). I'm kinda flummoxed by people's zeal to reevaluate and declare artists off-limits to protect their own online reputation and integrity. "I never", "I always", "I, I, I" - does anybody care ? I guess the shadow of scandals is nothing new in entertainment, but that's not a good place of judgment, and for me that would be super inconsistent with the criminal artists I keep on my playlists (whether it's Ranking Dread, Michael Jackson, or Burzum).

I'm not aiming at anyone in particular btw, just the internet.

Think you should try not to judge others on the morally bad musicians they listen to, except in the cases that they are giving said artist money to pay for lawyers (so buying their records, if they are alive) or if it's like Skrewdriver and they are getting brain worms.
As far as I'm concerned personally it isn't even a choice, I couldn't bear listening to RK now, even MJ makes me feel a bit queasy.

The sad thing is that even long after MJ's death, his estate is still actively paying lawyers to fight his victims and "protect his legacy".

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations where strong even then.

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations were strong even then.

*were not where

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

sorry about that

Fucking zines centered on indie and rock just couldn’t do without their token r&b pick, could have just filled the spot with Mark Kozelek or Ryan Adams or Real Estate.

I was just thinking how, like in 2012, there were so many "Ignition. Is. The. Greatest. Song. Of. A. Generation." articles and then the entire song was basically memory-holed in the last few years

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

xpost Which you couldn't do for, say, "Billie Jean" or even "Rock & Roll (Part 2)"

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Let's not forget that people lost their minds when Spin DARED to put Beyonce on the cover in 2006. Times change.

https://www.gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

r. kelly was a massive star with number one hits in multiple decades. the pass he was given for far too long is despicable, and it diminishes the sin on the part of the industry and fans to reduce him to just the "ignition" guy

otm

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

― Nabozo, Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

You've never heard I Believe I Can Fly?

or "You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history?

like my bank accooooooooount

Or Bump N Grind, or Your Body's Callin', or Fiesta, or Step (In The Name of Love), or World's Greatest, or about a billion other songs that got a shit-ton of play all over the place (let alone how long he dragged out Trapped In The Closet)

"Step (In The Name of Love)" is one of the few I can stand these days.

"You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history

That video was the first I saw of him, and still the only song of his that I've really heard; based on that I thought he was something like the R&B Tenacious D.

you should (shouldn't) hear "the zoo"

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:24 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

all over the place

it is possible that Nabozo lives in a different place

not sure whether this has also been ruined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuY1rt4qp5M

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

― xheugy eddy (D-40)

By not giving him money via streams or buying his records I was indirectly not helping him pay for lawyers to continue with all the raping. Some people would rather believe that over-selling his music as “best song of a generation” and writing articles about it and voting for his music in End of Decade lists in fucking 2010 is all in good fun because there’s no way he received any money from it right?

Abused in his youth… an addict as a adult… Ike Turner served 18 months in prison.. Rick James did similar time. Ike came out a changed positive human being. How long should R Kelly spend in prison -and does a USA system give a man a chance for a man to change his world around?

— Chuck D (@MrChuckD) September 28, 2021

(xpost)

Hail Moka, full of taste, preiscience is with thee. Blessed art thou among ilxors and blessed is the fruit of thy music purchases. Holy Moka, accountent of ethics, have mercy on us listeners now and in the future should an artist we enjoy be exposed as a sexual preditor. Amen.

If there's a civil suit and Kelly's future royalties get awarded as damages to the plaintiff, do the songs become ethical to stream again

no bc spotify still gets some iirc

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

yeah Robert was right in the thread he's ref'ing and few who posted to it, myself included, have much/anything to be proud of.

Ok I did see Space Jam - have not heard any of the others - and I do live in a "different place".

Hardly prescient, he’s been a known sexual predator since 1994.

it's not *really* comparable but watching how Nicki Minaj has tried to use the R Kelly model and failed to distract from some serious allegations about her and her husband, I feel a bit more optimistic that there won't be anyone getting a "pass" on this level again, and I hope this marks a serious change in how the industry deals with situations like this.