EMusic - C/D

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I've been doing a little research on the pay mp3 sites like rhapsody, etc. EMusic is the only one (I think) that allows full usage once a file is downloaded. It costs $9.99/mo if one commits to 12 months (14.99 otherwise) and offers plenty of worthwhile stuff, like the Ethiopiques series, a Thelonious Monk box, about 25 Fall albums, etc., not to mention most of the Matador catalog. I can supposedly download guilt-free since "EMusic splits all of the profits from membership fees 50/50 with the label or artist."

This is nice and all, but it just doesn't add up. Say I download 1000 songs/month or 100 albums each from a different artist or label (a modest estimate, probably), and pay 10 bucks for that 100. Each "label or artist" gets $.05, after EMusic takes their share. What can the artist possibly get out of that $.05. I'd say half of that would be generous, so $.025 (assuming the label takes the other half). Say 100 people download that same artist's album. So the artist makes $2.50/month-- and that's a generous estimate. $2.50 for 100 albums sold. The truth is probably closer to one cent or less per download that goes to the artist.

Now, my inclination is to say, "Hey, it's better than nothing." But is it? It seems like an insult. And the main argument against file-sharing is, "Wah, the artists aren't getting paid." "Support the artist," etc. But they're not getting paid with this system either, it seems.

What do you think? And if my math is wrong, or my argument's bunk, let me know.


scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm bound to say: Dud.

scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm saying classic.

It's got weird stuff. And the artists who produce weird stuff aren't making much money anyway.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah...leaving the math out of it, or at least from a consumerist point of view, it's not half-bad.

The fact it's the one place you can go to get a few important deleted titles (for instance, Peter Laughner's "Take The Guitar Player For A Ride" and the Sleepers' stuff as reissued on tim/kerr) makes it arguably classic.

I mean, "Take The Guitar Player..." is classic. At the very least one should go, sign up for your trial membership, and download the Laughner before cancelling...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it was classic a few years ago when me and some interweb pals took advantage of a free $10 coupon over and over and over for a few days.

i haven't really looked at it since.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that particular part of the math i know nothing about. what i do know is that back in the day EMusic paid out relatively large advances to artists. the artists don't get any more money until the advance recoups. They apparently gave Frank Black $200,000 in advance, and he used the dough to buy a farm in western Massachusetts, USA.

also, back in the day (2000, we're talkin') the quality of the MP3s was sort of dodgy. I did get a Nomad for buying $50 worth of music the one time I used it, and that rocked.

j breitling (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ahhh 2000, those were heady times!

Artists getting paid for downloads vs. not. Seems bogus coming from emusic's mouth. What advantage does emusic provide so that I won't just use slsk? Certainly it's the idea that the tracks are "legal," but truthfully I only feel bad using slsk because the artists aren't getting paid. And especially "the artists who produce weird stuff [who] aren't making much money anyway."

scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


classic, especially for out-of-print electronica.

it's worth it just for the fact that you can get most of the Rather Interesting back catalogue, and Senor Coconut gets paid a royalty for each track. they've also got great drum and bass comps (reinforced and certificate 18), old daniel wang material, old ken ishii material, experimental audio research, etc.

i have to admit, though, that i just used the free trial to get the stuff above (and the artists still got paid).

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh and it looks like since i stopped using emusic they've added the back catalogues for trax (the trax! farley and armando!) and undaground therapy (roy davis jr!), force tracks, moving shadow, schematic, and matador.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

classic - it does take some time and effort to get the most out of it, but i found some amazing stuff that i might never have heard otherwise.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

they seem to have some weird labels -- the sort of labels that seem to cover many genres, dig up loose tapes of artists primarily associated with some other label and release them, like the Italian label 'base' that reissued ESP through to Rough Trade on vinyl in the '80s
typically these labels dig up interesting recordings of jazz, classical and film music as well as bootleg-like live recordings of rock music (sound quality seemed ok with everything i got)

i found a few deleted 20th century 'classical' titles that i was unable to buy anywhere on the web anymore and so that was good -- but searching for more similarly unique stuff by the same composers didn't go anywhere (in that case they had a sampling of titles from the clasical label Koch, leaving me wanting more)

so it seemed they had something of everything, but then just something, ie just xyz on label q, just some of the obscure stuff -- admittedly stuff i've not seen available anywhere else -- so not much depth for any given artist, more 'lost tapes from 1975' type stuff -- stuff you might not have known existed

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 05:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Recently, Emusic switched to VBR LAME encoding. That was actually what inspired me to join up. I don't regret it for a second.

I've downloaded mostly hard-to-find stuff, and stuff where I know the artists aren't getting shit anyway -- ferinstance, I got the entire CCR catalogue, since Saul Zaentz still ownz that shit and John Fogerty's still getting screwed over it. However, the artists who produce weird stuff who aren't getting paid anyway seem to be making a least a little bit here. They would make nothing if I downloaded from Soulseek, checked out from the library, or bought a used compact disc. They're making precious little even when we buy new CDs. I feel no guilt.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What advantage does emusic provide so that I won't just use slsk?

- Faster downloads, about 10 - 100 times faster for me.
- Songs are reliably named and tagged.
- Search function doesn't completely suck.
- Yazoo, Ethiopiques, JSP, Riverside, Milestone, etc.

I use Soulseek a lot more, but I'm glad there's both.

Curt (cgould), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I just finished doing an interview about online music, paid-for downloads, and broadband, and I'm pleased that this thread vindicates all the stuff I made up about emusic!)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ATTN Anglophiles (& Pixies lovers):

Suddenly this morning, I see where EMusic's new arrivals list is just page after page of back catalog from what must be a new label signing, Beggars Banquet & "Beggars Group": 4AD, Too Pure, XL, Mantra, Wijja, etc.

I think I'll start with those Velocette singles...

Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Was considering subscribing but is it true that many labels are unavailable outside of America & Canada?
Want some of that Matador Records stuff, but I was told I wouldnt be able to download that and quite a few other labels due to licensing restrictions.

Pete X, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Well?

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 03:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

formerly classic, now a big fat dud. i cancelled my subscription as soon as they instigated the download limits. i could download 40 MP3s in an hour!

Andrew Calaman (Andrew Calaman), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
http://www.emusic.com/about/pr/pr183.html

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Okay, now they're adding eighties stuff from the Crammed label. I had to buy a booster pack to get it all (total bargain, btw - 50 downloads for $14.95). That seals it - I am officially in love with emusic.

I think it's best for people who have really broad tastes and like a lot of international musics and blues, country, whatever.

Yr3k (dymaxia), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
They are now running an ad for 50 free downloads. Has anyone done this?

dewey, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They've had that for a long time (used to be 100 back in the early days). It works.

dlp9001, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

try this link:
http://www.emusic.com/promo.html

not sure if it'll work, but it might be worth a shot

a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Did my 50 last night. Got Stereolab's first Switched On, MF Doom's Operation Doomsday (a very nice find since the CD is long out of print), Xmal Deutschland's Tocsin, and a Trevor Jackson remix of Soft Cell.

telephonething, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They were running this promo last summer and they totally got me hooked. EMusic has all the '90s stuff I need to upgrade from cassette or cassette dubs, including digital versions of a fair amount of 7 inches. I look forward to the day each month when my subscription renews.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Five months later, everyone still happy? Twenty-five cents per song doesn't seem so bad.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i am. they've added a lot of labels recently, including merge, touch and go, smithsonian folkways, sun, and tvt.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't like it. I would have stuck with it if your downloads simply accumulated each month though. They give you so few downloads that it's hard to remember to go back. You use them all up in one day and then have to remember to check back in next month when you're allowed to download more? Dud.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 22:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I say Classic, although the non-rollover is a bit Dud. Great eMusic advantages for me are:

-- instantaneous access to the extended classical canon in serviceable-to-great recordings due to inclusion of Naxos catalogue;
-- cheap opportunity for upgrading some vinyl stuff I have to digital (eg from 4AD); since I already have the artwork etc I don't feel I'm missing out on much compared to buying CDs;
-- fun of randomly trying something unknown for very little cost.

I'd appreciate a higher-volume account option than the current max of 90 tracks for $20 a month, though (ie EMUSIC CAN YOU HEAR ME I WANT TO GIVE YOU MORE MONEY).

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It seems strange that the length of the song doesn't affect the price. Like would you pay the same price for two Ramones songs as you would for a whole album of Fela Kuti? Of course, I don't have emusic; I've just always wondered about that.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Saturday, 17 December 2005 00:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

when, last month or the month before, they added THE ENTIRE F'IN NAXOS CATALOG FFS, they became QUITE CLASSIC INDEED

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i find emusic frustrating because it's not soulseek...but sometimes it has things that i can't even find on soulseek (vulgar boatmen, higelin & areski, robert pete williams). but what is classic is the 50 free download scam. you can do this any time you get a new email address--just plug in your new email address, fill out the rest of the information, get 50 free downloads one night, cancel, and you're totally commitment-free. done that a couple times when i need instant gratification.

naturemorte, Saturday, 17 December 2005 08:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It seems strange that the length of the song doesn't affect the price.

Haha yes that is a bit dim. Talking of classical, this means e.g. that symphonies are usually dirt cheap, opera less so.

Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This is great. I just signed up for emusic and I'm downloading Holger Czukay's La Luna (one track = 47:14)...I'm totally getting my money's worth...or uhh...free trial's worth. heh.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Saturday, 17 December 2005 15:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I left eMusic in a fume when they put a cap on the maximum downloadable songs per user in 2003 or whenever, but came crawling back when I realized that everything I was buying at $10 a pop on iTunes was also on eMusic for a flat rate. Could've saved a hundred bucks or so.

I started to make a list of the "few" finds that made me happy to be a member, before it became a huge list and I had to void my whole argument.

Not enough downloads, I agree, but I love it.

And SO VERY GLAD they don't pro-rate songs or pieces by length.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 18 December 2005 00:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

! One or more tracks from this album are unavailable for download at this time.

! We're sorry. This album is unavailable for download in your country at this time. Please check back later.

These preclude classic status.

jcartledge (jcartledge), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

google site:emusic.com inurl:album 15..80-0..59-listen

change the 15 to whatever you want the minimum length in minutes to be.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Okay, I write for them, so I'm biased, but: I use eMusic a LOT. Huge selection of Sun Ra, the entire Document catalogue, the entire Tzadik catalogue, the entire Stax catalogue, out-of-print CD-R stuff from VHF, Dischord, Touch & Go, JSP, Smithsonian Folkways... And they're MP3s. No DRM crap at all. Yay.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah there really is a good selection of Sun Ra; I was surprised. Also a lot of Dub stuff that I can never find on slsk. I'm pretty happy with it so far.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Sunday, 18 December 2005 05:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've been an eMusic junkie for years.

If you burn the albums to CD, you always have a stack of CDs with stuff you haven't heard on it waiting for you!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 18 December 2005 05:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the Vintner's Lipogram wrote:
Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

Heh, I downloaded John Cage's Empty Words (part III) from eMusic - two tracks, 74 minutes each.

They also have some live albums that I haven't seen elsewhere (search for "Schubas" and "Casbah" for starters.)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 18 December 2005 07:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I just downloaded the Akron/Family live album--just one long track and then a short song--and it is DEVASTATING. So good. Half of it is just a dude reading William Blake with crazy improv/noise in the background. It's great.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Sunday, 18 December 2005 14:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

like doug, i write for emusic, so i'm biased, obviously. but their catalogue is really pretty incredible - screamo, indie rock, jazz, world music, bizarro shit.... the electronic portion is getting much much better too - they just brought on K7, they got TVT, and playhouse is starting to trickle in...

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Sunday, 18 December 2005 17:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eMusic is (esp. for ILM-types) the best deal out there and nothing comes close.

I wish I could pay more for higher quality, or that the downloads were higher quality; it irks me to know that someday, like with my cassettes and my vinyl and my early CDs, that I'll probably upgrade a lot of what I picked up on eMusic because the bitrate is noticeable.

Nothing personal to Doug or Philip (two writers whose work I admire and like a lot) but I still do not find eMusic to be a community type of place for me where I want to spend time doing anything but downloading. There's a lot of quality writing and some of the lists are really great, but I can't seem to make eMusic a daily stop in my surfing. It's not a destination for me in that sense and I'm not sure why.

Also, the exclusive live stuff is a nice touch and I wish there was more of that (like the exclusive titles that the CIMS gets.)

don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 18 December 2005 17:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I always put off downloads when I was a member, thinking I'd do it the next day or picking between tracks, and kept getting screwed at the end of the month. They should really make it a rollover plan.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 18 December 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i can't find enough songs i want in my 100 mp3 free trial!

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

100? I only got 50 in my free trial. But that was hard enough, I wouldn't have wanted to have to think of another 50 that I could find on eMusic.

This was my download strategy:

1. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm (all tracks)
I've heard and liked the singles, I've skimmed through the rest at a listening station in some record store. I think it's a really good album, but before buying it I've wanted to spend some time listening to it straight through to be sure I separate my own impressions from the hype that surrounded it. [Conclusion: I'll buy the CD as soon as I can find it used.]

2. [remembering the notion, expressed in this thread, that it's good to download LONG tracks]
Eliane Radigue, Trilogie de la mort -- three hour-long tracks, beautiful drone-y electronic sounds, the smartest decision I made in this whole process

3. [spontaneously deciding to hunt down some individual tracks where I'm not interested in buying the whole album]
Annie - several tracks off Anniemal
Ladytron - several tracks off 604 and Light & Magic
Armand Van Helden - "U Don't Know Me" and "Flowerz"

4. [spontaneously deciding it's about time I finally checked out Derek Bailey]
Derek Bailey - Improvisations (all tracks)

5. [remembering I've been curious about Robert Rich but put off by all the New Age hoo-haw]
Robert Rich - Below Zero (all tracks)
still haven't listened to it

6. [remembering that ever since the recent Imogen Heap thread, I've been trying to find Todd Rundgren's "Pretending to Care," off the mid-80s album _A Capella_]
They don't have it, but they have a cover of it by a band called The Unherd.

That's 50 tracks, and I've unsubscribed. Part of the challenge is that I'm just not a music downloader, so anything I *really* want, I want on CD. The eMusic process was all about remembering things I *sort of* want.

National Roffle Association (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 19 December 2005 03:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

pretty classic. i also subscribe to rhapsody as well, so those two combined give me a pretty massive advantage. i stream onto my work PC that i sit at for 60ish hours a week rhapsody when i need it and use emusic to purch a lot of tracks i want to burn etc. (or when rhaps doesn't have the stuff over on emusic.)

rhaps usually covers my nostalgic needs... you know, when some friend goes, "dude krokus!" i can actually give krokus a listen and leave it at that without spending much more than a few cents i suppose. etc etc. old hip hop records i never bought but have radio taped mixes of, etc etc.

one by one, emusic has steadily brought lot's and lot's of "want list" labels onboard. i never thought i'd see tzadik come, but here they are. or dischord. touch and go! shit, those dudes charge out the wazoo for their records at the store, but here they are! emusic has really become kind of a paradise for back catalog siftings. i keep hoping drag city will come, but they seem pretty stiff on such things. (do they do itunes even? i'm too lazy to fire up itunes right now.)

as far as i'm concerned, services like emusic are saints for kicking DRM to the curb and letting us be honest fans. (for now anyway. legislation always pending in one form or another.)

m.

msp (mspa), Monday, 19 December 2005 03:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Classic. $20/month for 90 songs/month at the moment (you can go cheaper, but you have to do a whole year at once) plus no freaking DRM.

Certainly far from having everything I want, but I've already downloaded tons of stuff I've been fiending for for a while.

Also great to have for making my wedding mixes.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, I turned you!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You sure did pal.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

More and more, this is seeming like a really good idea.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's a pretty good deal if you're into instrumental art metal bands like Boris/Pelican/Isis etc... since most of those full albums have at most 7 or 8 songs long songs. your monthly quota can get you 4 or 5 of these albums.

It sucks for a lot of comedy albums though since they have lots of short tracks. Your monthly 40 song quota can be filled with 2 albums.

pinder (pinder), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The quota thing is the only part I don't like -- at about 25 cents a song, even a 20-song album costs $5.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The trick is to not download the whole album. I know that rankles the completist in you guys, but after you pull skits from the hip hop (which I generally do when I rip it anyway), you're generally down to a good seven tracks.

I really want to write for these guys. There are so many bitchin' compilations that are unsung on their site.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 22:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't work out how to see what they have available, without signing up. There are no links to any type of catalogue, only to the Register page. Is there some kinda trick?

cnwb (cnwb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's okay. You can stop looking. I found the back door:
http://www.emusic.com/browse/all.html

cnwb (cnwb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really like it although if you're in the UK it can be really frustrating as it seems a lot of albums haven't been licensed for download outside the US because they're on a different label. So recently I would have downloaded the new Calexico, The Streets, Eagles of Death Metal and they've just got the whole White Stripes catalogue and the Raconteurs but none of them are available in the UK.

Having said that there are still lots of interesting things to download and at £8 or so for 65 tracks a month, it's well worth it.

mms (mms), Thursday, 25 May 2006 07:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've been using this for a while and it's really very good. Got the new Scott Walker album the other day, for example.
I am getting sick of the 'not available for download in your country' messages, though. So many things that I want I just can't get...

Greig (treefell), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I got the Scott Walker too, surprised to find it was one I could actually download.

mms (mms), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Some of their selection is a little odd, like with certain jazz musicians they'll have a bunch of lesser albums but none of the best stuff. I can only assume this is because some of the better jazz labels aren't on board yet. Hopefully this will change soon.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

For example, they have a whole bunch of Coltrane but none of the Atlantic or Impulse stuff.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"I'd appreciate a higher-volume account option than the current max of 90 tracks for $20 a month, though (ie EMUSIC CAN YOU HEAR ME I WANT TO GIVE YOU MORE MONEY)."

This is the most frustrating thing about the site. You can now buy additional slightly-more-expensive 'booster packs' when your 90 downloads have been used up, but you're only allowed 5 or so of these per month. I'd spend twice as much on emusic than I do already if only they allowed me to!


slb, Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

can you not open another parallel account under a different name? might need to use a different credit card but...

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm sure you could if you used a different e-mail address and credit card.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

you only need a different email address.

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This article suggests that they're starting to negotiate per-artist contracts with some major-label stuff, which probably explains why the White Stripes catalog just went up:

http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/emusic.ars

The Ryko catalog is still up, even though Warners is buying in to their distro channels, so maybe more majors will test the waters a eMusic.

bendy (bendy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Browsing just now, and noticed that their Fall section is now divided into studio albums and live albums. Of course, Live At The Witch Trials is included w/live albums. Brief snarky moment of amusement.

If I'm remembering correctly, eMusic used to have some Impulse jazz (Alice Coltrane was Impulse? They used to have her.) but lost it right before they switched over to their current pricing plan.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic. Just for starters: they have a good selection of Go-Betweens albums for the uninitiated (though I don't think they have the recent remastered versions) and their Editor's Picks are mostly excellent. And you don't have to sign up for a whole year. You can cancel a subscription any time.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Funny reading the first post on this thread and my naive 2003 version of download economics! Carry on.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I dig it, but the non rollover policy sucks.

i do wish they'd spell my last album right, rather than making "fahrenheit 69" into "fahrenh eit 69"

hopefully they'll get the new one right.

question - if you guys like the free emusic track, do you download the rest of the album?

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Friday, 26 May 2006 22:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Even yet still more classic than last time I said classic, but for the same reasons. My 80s vinyl replacement project CONTINUES APACE w/labels like (some) ZTT added -- I've been v slow in getting digital copies of e.g. A Secret Wish and Who's Afraid, but now they're MINE @ click of button haha! Plus early Foetus albums I scoured London's second-hand shops for in the late 80's, willing to pay like £30 apiece!

Also, although I don't like the non-rollover, it is part of what makes them a bit Quirky rather than Totally Streamlined, which I kinda like. The per-track rather than per-time cost is another example. (Though it means my quizgeek desire for The National Anthems of the World will go unfulfilled on that particular site.)

I really want to write for these guys. There are so many bitchin' compilations that are unsung on their site.

-- Forksclovetofu

Ooh such as? Account replenishes in five days...

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 14 July 2006 23:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh and Uncle Tom, have you mailed them and asked them to correct? Maltaggage is one of the few really annoying things abt emusic.

("You've got your dick on backwards"????)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 14 July 2006 23:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

/what makes them a bit Quirky rather than Totally Streamlined/

The holes and treasures in their collection reproduce the act of searching through a giagatic used record store better than anything else online. When I lived in Pittsburgh, I lived accross the street from Jerry's Records. My eMusic subscription feels like wandering over there- I don't know what I'm going to pick up, but I'm probably going to learn about something I never heard of before.

bendy (bendy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 10:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i realized yesterday i was on the last day of my emusic month and still had like 75 downloads. i had fun going through and grabbing things somewhat randomly (a couple of those fania reissues, some funkadelic, paul bley, assorted hip-hop). now i have new music to listen to for the next couple weeks. and 90 new downloads, whee.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That reminds me -- hiphop emusic recommendations, anyone?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i got a couple tracks of that jacki-o album that are good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 15 July 2006 18:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC times 500000000!
I hysterically love emusic.

clodia pulchra (emo by proxy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 22:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Immediately scores 5,000,000+ pts over iTunes just for being able to search by label.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Sunday, 16 July 2006 00:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

inspired by the this heat thread i just downloaded this heat and part of the chrome box. whooo.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 16 July 2006 18:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

vintners,
yes, I did email them - and no, they didn't say reply. Much like the schmoes at allmusic when I tried to correct the numerous errors in our entry.

FYI "You've got your dick on backwards" is a parody of the Sonics "you've got your head on backwards." which kinda paved the way for our upcoming "blowfly's punk rock party" (due in september) though when we cut "...backwards" we never imagined doing a whole record like that.

as far as hip hop on emusic -- all the rhymesayers stuff is on there, as is most of the def jux stuff and the coup via epitaph. obviously, there aren't many major label artists on emusic - so the hip hop is kinda sparse.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
ohmigod...ohmigod... found the mp3s on the saregama label. 200+pages worth of bollywood soundtracks. suffering from indian psychedelic funk poisoning...

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
so this is a good thing, yes? anything else I should know beyond what's on this thread already?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 18 September 2006 02:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

nothing?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love it. The only thing is make sure you use your downloads before they run out. This can get a little tricky, but it's worth the trouble.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they should roll over the remaining downloads quota each month so you can still get your money's worth if you don't get round to downloading enough songs within a 30 day period. the frequent 'not available outside the US' thing is bullshit too but i know that's not their fault.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sometimes the catalog of certain labels seems to contract and expand, so again, just like a record store, its good to snag somthing when you find it, lest it dissapear from your "Save for Later" list.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But there are great ways to use up your downloads at the end of the month - you can just go through, say, the Folkways catalog and grab a bunch of random stuff for example.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know what the quality of the mp3s is now on eMusic? An album I just dl'd sounds WRONG to me, but it could be the new remaster.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love eMusic. But I use it only for items I wouldn't seek out at the record store. Put differently, it's a great service to fill out a catalogue, and the fact that I've got to "use or lose" my monthly downloads encourages me to try stuff rather than sqander my montly allotment.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know what the quality of the mp3s is now on eMusic?

i dled about 100 mp3s over the past two months - the majority were 192, though a few were VBR that averaged around that. i think some of the indian soundtrack stuff was 160.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I signed up for a free trial of eMusic but my login didn't work. I wrote them and asked them to cancel my login because their system didn't work but they didn't respond. Months later I looked at my credit card and noticed that I had been billed $10 per month for the last few months. I emailed and called them and asked them to revoke the charges, but they refused. So basically, fuck eMusic and everyone who has ever or will ever work for them.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know what the quality of the mp3s is now on eMusic?

http://www.emusic.com/help/technical.html#q11

It's unlikely you will hear any difference from the cd version.

todd (todd), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the no-rollover thing pains me a little because i'm the kind of guy who tends to forget such things until a day too late. is there any way to at least donate my unused downloads to deprived orphans? that way at least i wouldn't feel as guilty.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I lost three downloads that way once, but they gave them back after I sent an e-mail. Didn't seem to be a big problem.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the rollover issue is the only problem I have with eMusic. It doesn't help that, for whatever reason, the day your account resets isn't always the same as it was the previous month! Instead of going straight Sept. 15 to Oct. 15 to Nov. 15, it shifts from, like, Sept. 15 to Oct. 14. That fucked me over a few times before I caught on.

reddening (reddening), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
There's talk that Tzadik and 2 other key labels are leaving emusic very soon.

abanana, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 07:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I heard 6 or 7 were threatening to withdraw. They want more money from emusic for having their stuff on there. Presumably want emusic to raise their prices. £10 a month for 6 albums or so is pretty good value.

cheasyweasel, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 08:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I posted this elsewhere, but this thread's original post inspired me to recycle.

Quote:

At eMusic, independent labels and artists get paid.

This is open for debate. As all of eMusic revenue comes from subscriptions, their payouts are based on net revenue divided by number of downloads. So, if after eMusic takes their fees and perecentage off, the total net revenue is 1M, and they "sold" 10M songs, then the actual amount is only 10 cents per track sold to the label/artist. The full stat rate on mechanicals is 9.1 cents, leaving the label and artist to quibble over 9/10ths of a cent.

But for the sake of argument, lets say it's 1M/2M downloads. That's 50 cents per track. Knock off a dime (rounded) for mechanicals, and the label and artist split a whopping 40 cents. If the artist is on a 50/50 revenue split, then they make 20 cents. But what if they're on a 70/30 split? The numbers continue to get worse as the percentage divide increases.

Consider that iTunes pays 70% of the retail price of 99 cents, and you're looking at 2/5th more than my best case eMusic model. In a business of pennies, that 2/5ths will stack up really quickly for the artist and label. Other Music's new download service is offering labels 65% and various levels of pricing, giving the label and artist opportunities to decide how much their music is worth.

eMusic is of much greater benefit to the consumer, which is great if you're only a consumer. But for people trying to make a living off their art (or business prowess), eMusic is working in direct competition to them. By offering their product for cheap, or free in the case of "50 free downloads," they're really just finding a new way to cut up the penny. They don't comp the artists or labels for those 50 free downloads because their primary concern is getting that trial subscriber to buy in at $9.99 a month.

Let's look at the real eMusic basic subscription economics:

$9.99 per month divided by 30 downloads is 33 cents per download. Let's knock eMusic's 50/50 revenue split off, and take off another few pennies for their various fees (uploading, delivering charge, the list goes on and on). Where are we at? 14 cents? Mechanical at 9.1 cents and you're down to less than 5 cents. One nickel. And it just gets worse for each subscription level. Now, throw in the 50 free downloads times maybe 1000 trials a month. The net result is that they increased the pool of songs without increasing the pool of revenue. The net result is that you were fucked before you encoded your first track.

So yes, eMusic techincally "pays," but so does Walmart. Can I interest anyone in a smock?

VG++, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't see how a label can cry about an agreement like that after they agreed to it. If you don't like what they pay, you don't have to put your stuff on eMusic, and if you change your mind you can leave like some labels are talking about doing. The market will bear things out -- if too many labels are threatening to leave, it will hurt eMusic's viability and they will be forced to pay more, whether by charging more or cutting into its own profit.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I noticed this weekend that Durtro has gone. Luckily I had already bought the remaster of Thunder Perfect Mind.

xpost-- they already did raise their prices significantly a few months ago, though established subscribers were allowed to lock in at the former rate. I used to buy a booster pack every month, though, and now I never do-- to expensive.

Who are the labels? Please not BIS, Naxos, Earache, LTM...!!!

Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm thinking of dropping it again ... pricey

but first i want vahid to recommend some shit!

also someone recommend me some stax albums i might not have heard

deej, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Please let them not lose Fantasy/Prestige either! Urgh--

Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

amazed at all the Wolfhounds stuff on there ...

zaxxon25, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

shit, all the tzadik stuff looks to be gone?! bummer. i love emusic but then as a writer for them i get a certain number of downloads every month as part of the research/ compensation.

i am very psyched that hundreds of old/ obscure folkways titles have just been added, including the entire 10 volume 'music from the south' series, the nancy dupree albums, and a bunch of tony schwartz stuff as well. and 'the village fugs'! holy moly. (posted a few dupree and schwartz tracks on my blog the other day, fyi).

Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There's Wolfhounds stuff on there? Damn, I gotta go download some more shit before it all goes. I wish I hadnt bought a years sub grr.

Trayce, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 00:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The business model probably works fine for labels like Folkways where you're largely dealing with reissues of old stuff, much of it by dead artists or people who don't expect to see much money anyway. Some of their releases are probably going to sell 10x as much on emusic as they would on something like iTunes.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 01:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

fyi: hypebot's starting a four parter tomorrow about eMusic.

fukasaku tollbooth, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 02:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The business model probably works fine for labels like Folkways where you're largely dealing with reissues of old stuff, much of it by dead artists or people who don't expect to see much money anyway. Some of their releases are probably going to sell 10x as much on emusic as they would on something like iTunes.


That's probably true. But if eMusic becomes basically a reissues-only service, I'll happily keep my subscription. Just between Blood & Fire, Pressure Sounds, Folkways, and a few others, I have enough discs stored in my "Saved for Later" eMusic file to take up a year's worth of downloads. And if eMusic gets just a few other reissue labels to sign up -- Soul Jazz or The Numero Group, for instance -- I'd move up to eMusic's Connoisseur 200 or Connoisseur 300 plan in a heartbeat.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 03:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just DL'ed a couple Fall albums for free on a trail membership. Thanks for the tip up thread!

Display Name, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 05:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So yes, eMusic techincally "pays," but so does Walmart.

Very interesting post. I got no beef about any of it nor does any of it surprise me.

I am just curious, even vaguely speaking, what kind of sources you had for it. Really, I am totally buying what you are saying, just curious (roughly) where you get all this knowledge.

You know what I have a problem with is these evolving TOS (Terms of Service) policies (whether it's eMusic or your local ISP), where you sign on to one thing and assent to any future changes they might care to make to the TOS, with no obligation to tell you what they are. And, if I am not mistaken, eMusic doesn't exactly make a huge fanfare when it is planning to institute profound wholesale changes to its business model.

It was just by chance that I found out they were getting rid of the "all you can eat" model. (By then, the servers were very busy!). Meantime, I hadn't really been downloading anything because I felt that this model would "always be around" so instead of downloading EVERY Prestige record, I figured that when I wanted to hear one, these people would be there.

Then they changed it again to x number of DLs per month, basically without telling their customers.

I like the idea of giving $9.99 each month to "legal downloading". It makes me feel like I am contributing to the cause. But if the labels NOR the artists are seeing any money, then fuck it.

Example, friend of mine puts out a a record. He sent me a copy ages ago but I thought, wouldn't it be cool to DL his record from here so he can make a buck or two. So you are telling me he will make nothing from that?!!

Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 05:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Saxby-

My sources come from the eMusic FAQ page, a contract I signed with them for my first label, and the deal memo I rejected for my second label. When I did my first deal way back in 00, they were handing out stupid money, so I took it without really thinking and subsequently went out of business so it barely mattered. But then came the statements. At first they were really high, like 45 cents a song (this is pre-iTunes), but then they switched over to the unlimited downloads plan, and shit just plummeted. Most of the time the money I was getting per track didn't even cover the standard mechanical royalty (then around 8 cents per track). When my deal was up in 2005 I had them pull all of the content. They stopped pleading when I responded to their overtures with:

I'd rather people steal my music than give it away.

They changed models (and owners) a few times before settling on their current "subscription" plan. These numbers are not refutable:

$9.99 per month divided by 30 downloads is 33 cents per download. Take off eMusic's 50/50 revenue split off, and another few pennies for their various fees (uploading, delivery charge) and you arrive at roughly 14 cents. Fuck it, let's round up to 15 cents, and again, this isn't even figuring in the free downloads. Many indies do 50/50 deals, so everyone winds up with 7.5 cents. This in no way factors in mechanicals or percentage deals, of which most bigger indies pay. I've never heard of a label getting better than a 50/50 deal, but maybe it exists, so you could have the big boys getting 20-25 cents, but I doubt it.

Their entire approach to labels is this idea of "found" money. As if you'd just be leaving it on the street if you didn't sign on. But the reality is that between iTunes and the ever growing crop of indie niche digital sites (Other Music, Boomkat, Juno, etc, with Wax Poetics and Turntable Lab following), you do have options. Good options really. The kind of options that pay you a respectable percentage of the sale. eMusic is finding out the hard way that their business model is again broke, as more and more labels are deciding pull out. They aren't the only game in town anymore, and Darwinian law still prevails:

Adapt or perish.

VG++, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

[eMusic's]entire approach to labels is this idea of "found" money. As if you'd just be leaving it on the street if you didn't sign on. But the reality is that between iTunes and the ever growing crop of indie niche digital sites (Other Music, Boomkat, Juno, etc, with Wax Poetics and Turntable Lab following), you do have options. Good options really. The kind of options that pay you a respectable percentage of the sale. eMusic is finding out the hard way that their business model is again broke, as more and more labels are deciding pull out. They aren't the only game in town anymore, and Darwinian law still prevails:
Adapt or perish.


I think you're taking eMusic's notion of "found money" too lightly. I'd bet that many indie labels are mistaken if they think that the people who download their songs on eMusic will seek out the label's material -- either at iTunes, a brick and mortar store, or elsewhere online -- if they sever their ties to eMusic. I think many eMusic subscribers look at the service as a valuable clearinghouse/recommendation engine for discovering music. Without it, I likely wouldn't have discovered Folkways or Pressure Sounds, for example. And if those labels left, I might seek out some of their titles elsewhere, but it's far less likely. So, for those labels, at least, the money they receive from my eMusic downloads is likely the only money they'd receive from me (and I don't download illegally). Labels also recognize that an online music clearinghouse/recommendation engine can generate business. If it weren’t so, why not simply sell your music on your own online store, sever your ties to iTunes (which, presumably, also takes a percentage of all money generated from downloads), and take a higher margin of the profit?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, I thought your comment implying that eMusic isn’t adapting to the new playing field (“Adapt or perish”) was an interesting notion, inasmuch as your marginal profit is higher by selling a song elsewhere. But, ultimately, I think your position is shortsighted, for reasons partially set forth in a comment that appears on an eMusic thread discussing the label defections:


I read a very interesting article about China, where piracy is quite rampant. They were saying that musicians there pretty much have come to accept that selling the music itself is a no-profit option. They do try, of course, but at the same time, they recognize that the true profit to be had is in a) live sales aka concerts b) related concert items like t-shirts etc. and c) building a brand name e.g. commercial endorsements, spin-off media etc. So basically, the actual music track is a freebie that you use to build your fanbase so you can sell them other stuff, be it more merchandise (books, magazines) or some sort of 'experience' (concerts, shows etc.) Interesting business model, I think.

In my opinion, the problem is that we are really, in this day and age, in a customer-driven market. Those who want to survive and profit have to cater to the customer. If the customer does not want to spend 99 cents a track, they will not and you won't sell to them unless you offer something else they do want, at a price they want. It doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right, or they are evil and you must punish them or legislate them into doing what you want. It means that if you want their money, you have to sell them what they want at a price they want.

An analogy I often use with the students I teach, when we talk about it is this: let's say you are a bakery and you are known for your carrot muffins. You open your new store and you find that everyone there wants to buy chovolate chip muffins. You have two options. 1) Spend allt his time, money and effort trying to convince them that they need to be buying carrot muffins instead or b) spend that same time and money investing in the infrastructure that will allow you to make chocolate chip muffins. Sell them these and rake in the dough. The meainstream music industry is clinging to an outmoded business model. If they want to keep having profits, they need to get with the times.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah i understand the difficulty musicians and labels are having in adjusting to the devaluation of their product -- but the product has been devalued. if you can still get someone to spend a dollar a track or whatever, great, go for it. but for the most part, a song ain't "worth" what it used to be. i like emusic becase i always said if anyone ever started selling downloads for 25 cents a track, i'd join right up. that's as arbitrary a number as 99 cents, obviously, but as a consumer i don't feel ripped off at 25 cents, where i do for 99. i would expect producers to feel differently. where the price-point is that everyone can be happy with, i have no idea.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Shortsighted? I'm actually looking at the bigger picture, wherein labels have no money to operate so they stop making records altogether. You say you wish eMusic had Soul Jazz and Numero, but did you ever stop to think that you're missing out on half the story by just downloading the songs? It takes thousands of hours to create a Folkways or Pressure Sounds record, and despite what you may think, there are still rights holders to be paid. The four compaines above make an outstanding product, so why should they give it away? You don't go to McDonalds expecting fine dining, do you? If you can't afford the restaurant, that's fine, but don't stand outside berating the chef for your ill fortune.

So here's the big question: Why does all music have to be cheap? If the product is of a high quality, why are you opposed to paying for it? I buy organic produce because it's better for me and the environment, but I don't bitch about the cost to the guy stacking fruit or the farmer who creates it. I understand that the process of growing organic food is more costly and I throw it in my cart. If you want Soul Jazz, Numero, Folkways, or Pressure Sounds to continue to exist, you've got to support them. We don't live in China where people will work hard for nothing, so that analogy is pointless. If you worked at a toll booth and they lowered your pay because of automated tolling, would you stay there, or would you go look for new work? What happens when the artists and labels making the muic you really like stop doing it and find jobs elsewhere? Will your response be:

I couldn't find them on eMusic.

?

VG++, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

In your analogy, the restaurant sees its tables empty, with patrons just outside and willing to pay a slightly lesser rate, but not what they consider your restaurant's too-high prices. And the restaurant's response is to let the tables remain empty and berate the prospective customers -- who are standing at your doorstep -- for their apparent stinginess.

Look, I'm willing to pay more for eMusic. Explore ways to work with them. If, for instance, they'll provide full liner notes and/or extras for downloading a full disc, I'll pay more for that disc (e.g., Numero Group, Soul Jazz, and so forth). If, for instance, labels offer some enticing special access to their artists or curators -- through eMusic -- in exchange for an extra amount that, minus hard costs incurred by eMusic, goes directly to the label, I might do it.

Maybe I’m wrong – or maybe your label will be a lucky exception – but I’ll still bet that many labels that leave eMusic will see a decrease in their net profits. If that’s the case, why not explore ways to tap into that existing market?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sorry if the tone of these posts sounds harsh. I'm not trying to be a jackass here (I have to be a jackass often enough in my chosen field).

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We don't live in China where people will work hard for nothing, so that analogy is pointless.


This misses the point. Whatever amounts Chinese people are willing to work for, the Chinese model has succeeded in providing a living for artists, which appears comparable to the living they presumably made under the prior, older model (the model that U.S. labels are stuck on).

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

As additional evidence of labels backward-thinking, there's this item:

Florida apparently just passed a law that severely hampers the buying and selling of used CDs. The law states that stores have to wait 30 days before reselling the CDs. (via BB, via AT)

“No, you won’t spend any time in jail, but you’ll certainly feel like a criminal once the local record shop makes copies of all of your identifying information and even collects your fingerprints. Such is the state of affairs in Florida, which now has the dubious distinction of being so anal about the sale of used music CDs that record shops there are starting to get out of the business of dealing with used content because they don’t want to pay a Florida apparently just passed a law that severely hampers the buying and selling of used CDs. The law states that stores have to wait 30 days before reselling the CDs. (via BB, via AT)

“No, you won’t spend any time in jail, but you’ll certainly feel like a criminal once the local record shop makes copies of all of your identifying information and even collects your fingerprints. Such is the state of affairs in Florida, which now has the dubious distinction of being so anal about the sale of used music CDs that record shops there are starting to get out of the business of dealing with used content because they don’t want to pay a $10,000 bond for the ‘right’ to treat their customers like criminals.”

This would pretty much suck. Except for a few choice new releases, the used bin at my work is pretty much the only way I buy albums any more.0,000 bond for the ‘right’ to treat their customers like criminals.”

This would pretty much suck. Except for a few choice new releases, the used bin at my work is pretty much the only way I buy albums any more.


Yikes. A link to the original story is below:

Record Shops: Used CDs? Ihre Papieren, bitte!

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So here's the big question: Why does all music have to be cheap? If the product is of a high quality, why are you opposed to paying for it?

i don't think anyone's opposed to paying for it. but who says what's "cheap"? a sizable chunk of the traditional cost of recorded music used to be in replication and distribution. but as replication and distribution have gotten exponentially cheaper, there has not been a concomitant decline in the price to the consumer. the emusic model represents an attempt to reflect that reality. i guess if enough labels opt out of it, it won't work for too long, but at least they're trying something.

it may well be that it will become much harder to get wealthy by performing, recording and distributing music. but of course the vast majority of people who make music have never gotten wealthy anyway.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, it's just an unfortunate truth that there's more competition for one's *entertainment dollar* than ever. Even leaving out all the stuff like DVDs, video games, etc., we've gone from an age where one could mostly just buy whatever was in one's local record shop at the time to being able to get virtually any recording ever made in any town at any time, not to mention the jump in the number of new recordings being released.

Each artist wants their art to be treated as unique and special work that is intrinsically valuable, and it is, but the consumer has to make choices between one record and another, and price is going to play a role whether you like it or not. Yes, I want to support artists and labels, but it's pretty hard for me to justify paying, say, $15.99 to support one artist and one label when I might have a way of getting three or four albums I want for the same price, supporting all of those artists and labels, albeit with a lower profit margin.

This is just economics. There's too much good music available, and unfortunately that devalues good music somewhat, makes it less special and worth less money.

Besides, no one forces labels to sell at a lower price than they can afford. If it doesn't work for labels, they'll raise prices or leave the system.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i can imagine a lot of different models for musicians and labels to pursue, all of which we'll probably see some attempts at. the emusic one is basically a commodity approach: every unit costs the same as every other unit, and they get cheaper in bulk. you could also use more of a stock market approach, where the price of a given song or album would increase as demand increased (and then fall again as demand ebbed). there's the artisanal model, where i guess people could sell their own stuff only through their own web sites and mailing lists, and set prices according to what they either could get or needed to make a living. and also the high art model -- once someone reached a certain level of success or acclaim or whatever, they could start selling one-off, single- or limited-edition releases through galleries, for $5,000 or $10,000 per song (or whatever the market would support). the major challenge to all of these models is controlling replication and distribution. but that's not insurmountable for most of them. in the emusic model, you just keep the pricing low enough and the selection good enough that the convenience dissuades people from looking for illicit channels. in the artisanal model, you're mostly relying on a small base of fans, who are going to pay you because they want to, which serves as some hedge against piracy. and the high-art model would probably involve some kind of major investment in cryptography, plus also the people buying it would have a disincentive to copy and distribute it to maintain the value of their investment. so the most troubled model is the market-based supply and demand one, because if something gets more expensive as demand goes up, then you have dual incentives for piracy. this is somewhat the problem the riaa is facing. of all the possible music-delivery models, they have the one that is in a lot of ways most vulnerable to piracy. until they bring their price-per-unit down substantially, that's not going to change.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there's the artisanal model, where i guess people could sell their own stuff only through their own web sites and mailing lists

Are there really many examples of this working though? I don't see it as very viable.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Very interesting discussion going here. It's fascinating (to me anyway) to watch it all play out as previous format changes weren't nearly earth shattering in their effect on the industry.

matt2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i don't think there are many examples of any of the alternative models, because so much is still driven by the existing channels. but to the extent that most bands now have websites with their own merchandise and mailing lists, the infrastructure is already there. another model that falls somewhere in between is the boutique, which can be either labels (like soul jazz and numero) or specialized retailers like other music, etc. obviously those already exist, and they are likewise less threatened by the shifts in technology and the marketplace because they're already catering to a specialized audience.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'd imagine we'll see more and more small hybrid label/management/promo companies. It kind of makes sense (from my inexperienced perspective, at least) to consolidate all the things involved in the promotion and selling of an artist and have one company taking a bigger piece of the pie instead of a bunch of different actors taking smaller pieces.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I see the boutique label as a much better model than the individual artisanal model. It's just too much to expect one artist (most of them anyway) to have the skillsets needed to make good music AND promote/manage/book/sell effectively.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean I find it naive when people say "Nowadays all an artist needs is a myspace page and a paypal account!" Just because the music is on the net doesn't mean anyone's going to find it, and pure "word of mouth" without any marketing push never goes as far as people would like to believe.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What Hurting says is true, but I love the inventiveness of TM's ideas. Maybe there are ways to modify them, to address some vulnerabilities. For instance, in the stock market model, you could set price floors (but no ceilings) so songs that aren't so popular -- say, old items on the Smithsonian label -- receive something of value when they're downloaded. And piracy can create distortions in the stock market model, e.g., an Arcade Fire song isn't legally downloaded as often because of rampant pirating. But maybe common P2P sources can be monitored -- without in any way condoning piracy -- to ensure that real demand is reflected in the price of a song.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i dunno if everyone discussing here has seen it, but emusic's ceo wrote a blog post related to all of this.

YGS, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

interesting. i wonder if emusic (or anyone) has considered some kind of multi-layer pricing system, with various levels of premium content. like, your subscription will get you 40 downloads of level-1 tracks, or 20 downloads of level-2 tracks, or 10 of level-3, etc. then the labels could set their content at whatever level they thought it could get. and albums or songs could move up and down the levels depending on demand.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thing is, consumers like simplicity. Once there are all these tiers to keep track of they'll probably just go and download for free somewhere.

Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Its a shame that the emusic model seems to be failing. I'm a very happy subscriber. I think it is priced about right for what I see as its value to me (mainly taking a chance on things I don't know and would never have heard otherwise).

Domino in the UK left them earlier this year and if a few more labels go then I will too eventually. But what I am unlikely to do is put more money into the music industry. The choice isn't my 12 quid a month for 5 or so albums becoming 60 quid a month for retail purchases. Its that 12 quid going to some other part of the entertainment industry. Which means that all the stuff about supporting starving artists are irrelevant.

The 50% cut seems low to me, but maybe emusic should just be more open about their overheads - are they making a profit?

Sandy Blair, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i don't know what evidence there is that they're failing. they still have tons of labels, and their subscriber base has gone up hugely every year.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I hate when these types of discussion occur with little or no mention of JUST HOW MUCH free downloading is going on out there.

Of course people will spend their entertainment dollar elsewhere when the stuff is free. And the prime demo 18-24 is quite unaccustomed to paying for music let alone getting choked up about primo physical product. If you were 18 in the year 2000, you are now OUT OF THIS DEMO.

The big problem is all of the KEY MISSTEPS taken by the RIAA at crucial times. Their efforts to go after working families with college or mall kids was plainly a huge PR blunder that anyone in the industry is still paying for. It was cruel, seemed (well, was) arbitrary and it also got people realizing that "illegal downloading" ISN'T EVEN ILLEGAL!!! The Supreme Court will probably one day change that but for now it's still the Betamax "fair use" ruling that we (in the U.S.) are going off of.

I think that if anything, they have created a climate of "download absolutely everything because soon it's all going to change radically", just as it was in the final days of the "all you can eat" model of eMusic.

Dude, btw I wouldn't leave eMusic because Domino is going. That's just some crazy ass shit. I might leave if Prestige/Riverside/Fantasy etc did but DOMINO?!!

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, and free downloading irritates me and I refuse to do it. I still think it's a kind of stealing, even if it's not equivalent to shoplifting. I mean it's inevitable that a person is going to copy a song or an album from a friend once in a while - has been so since long before downloading, but it's another thing to expect a whole library of music for nothing.

I'm just not sure what's to be done about it.

Hurting 2, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You know, the other thing that actually saddens me just a bit is that people don't even really care about "lossy" music anymore.

I mean, I am no Flim & the BBs fan (i.e. no audiophile wanker) (wanker maybe but not a classic audiophile), but I still really get into the full spectrum of sound that Vinyl offers (and which CDs do their digital best to approximate).

Seems like yet another part of the paradigm lost in the discussion.

(and yes, I know about FLACs ya dumbass so don't even start).

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the thing with illegal downloading is that an entire generation is growing up now with basically no other alternative -- at my school, i honestly don't know anyone who gets their music primarily through stores (buys music, sure, but everyone downloads it first), and i'm not just talking about the techy kids. even the "oh i listen to __(selection of top 40 groups)__" kids get their music through the internet, as a rule.

lucas pine, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Regarding lossy music: give me convenience or give me death, as someone cleverer than I once called an album.

Mr. Odd, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the thing with illegal downloading is that an entire generation is growing up now with basically no other alternative


There are many alternatives, e.g., iTunes, eMusic, InSound, a label's own online store, and so forth.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 11 May 2007 04:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yes

but no matter how many sales these retailers claim, i can say with 90% certainty that i don't know a single person who listens to music (new music -- not their parents' beatles collection) and doesn't download it illegally

lucas pine, Friday, 11 May 2007 05:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hmmm this is at the very least pretty goddamn anecdotal but I buy it.

I think I mentioned on another thread (or here maybe, too tired to look), take a look sometime at the OiNK top 10 snatches. The top entry is like 22,000+ snatches. Then factor in USENET (which the RIAA still doesn't seem to have noticed incidentally), Soulseek, IRC, Limewire, AIM, MSN and the billions of other ways to get and exchange "free music" and you really have to be talking about millions of dollars in lost sales, even factoring in those people who would have never in a million years purchased the item in question.

And who is the big winner here? The ISPs who look the other way on this. You think they don't know which ports soulseek uses?! My ISP has a fantastic array of newsgroup options of "pre-teen" sex groups to choose from as well, let alone the music binary groups us normal people frequent. Then they are looking to strip your net neutrality from you and all of a sudden they seem quite evil.

Not to mention what my ISP has done to the Knicks!! Criminals!!!!

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 11 May 2007 05:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I spend more money each month buying real CD copies of stuff I have liked that I got initially via eMusic than I do on the eMusic subscription itself. Boredoms and Clientele, for instance, have done very well out of me having an eMusic subscription.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 11 May 2007 06:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

bit of an update on this... I had a chat with a "digital music professional" who told me that the sort of math contained in this thread, while technically correct, does not accurately reflect the sort of business model being used by eMusic. He likened it to the "Gym Membership" model, where essentially they sign you up and pray like hell that you never use their gym.

So, the gross numbers are all correct, but the hope is that the labels will net just a bit more because not everyone (including me!) remembers to use up their 40 DLs every month.

The net for labels and artists IS still quite low regardless.

Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 17 June 2007 19:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Right - they basically divvy up a pool of subscription money based on downloads, so it's not a solid per-track fee.

In any case, bad deal for labels/artists or not, I think it's one situation where the market can work things out. No one is forcing any artist or label to be on eMusic, and if the deal is unfair, they can renegotiate or leave. As long as a label puts their stuff on the site, I'm going to assume they're ok with the compensation.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 17 June 2007 19:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, exactly...

Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost - Why do you do that, Nick? I thought it was only sad older guys like me who grew up fetishizing the physical that need to buy CD copies of stuff they download and like.

Mr. Odd, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Man, eMusic has been seriously crashing Safari the last few days. I know I have an older version of the browser, but the site used to load perfectly. Dud.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 27 July 2007 14:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Heh, I was going to bump this to say something. Just noticed the problem yesterday-- can't access their site on Safari at all. It's been going on for days?

Jon Lewis, Friday, 27 July 2007 14:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah. Loads fine in Firefox, but instant crash on Safari 1.3.2. I wonder if newer versions of Safari are working ok.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 27 July 2007 14:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hey guys -- there is a bug w/ 1.3 and we (emu) are working on it. thx for yr patience.

YGS, Friday, 27 July 2007 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Y.

Jon Lewis, Friday, 27 July 2007 14:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Gracias big Y.

Hurting 2, Friday, 27 July 2007 15:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The new Safari is MUCH BETTER and my eMusic works fine with it.

I really recommend the new Safari, it's worth the upgrade or whatever you have to do if you are a user of a previous version.

Mine was working so poorly before and I thought it was because I hacked into it and changed it so that it will remember my entire "history" for 99 years. But now that i am on the new version, it runs way better than Firefox, which I have grown to really hate. HTH, FWIW, YMMV, ETC

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 27 July 2007 15:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ah, thanks Y. It would be most awesome if you're able to work out the bugs--I can't upgrade my Safari without buying a whole new Mac OS, which might not run on my faithful clamshell iBook anyway.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 27 July 2007 16:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

In any case, bad deal for labels/artists or not, I think it's one situation where the market can work things out. No one is forcing any artist or label to be on eMusic, and if the deal is unfair, they can renegotiate or leave. As long as a label puts their stuff on the site, I'm going to assume they're ok with the compensation.

perhaps someone has said this somewhere upthread -- i'm too lazy to read -- but it's a demonstrably better deal for artists and labels, dollars- and cents-wise, than bittorrent, megaupload and other free avenues, which is what this is competing with.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 27 July 2007 18:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think that's a good point cuz and I don't think that's been mentioned yet.

My computer is really old too btw... It is a G4 tho. Also, I think Tiger only comes as a DVD, so if you only have a CD-ROM drive you might have to install in some sort of makeshift manner. Feel free to msg me for some mac talk, anyone...

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 27 July 2007 21:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

dumb question (but my googling/looking at their website for a few mins didn't answer it): is it really priced per track, with no concession for albums? so this cd would cost over $20? or am i missing something?

http://www.emusic.com/album/Paul-Hillier-Theatre-of-Voices-Stockhausen-Stimmung-MP3-Download/11077559.html

toby, Saturday, 15 December 2007 14:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

You're right. It's an eMusic quirk. On the other hand, you can download full albums with just a few very long tracks for far less than on, say, Amazon or iTunes. At a minimum, it balances out.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 15 December 2007 14:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

wow, that seems extraordinary - i would have signed up, but i think most of the albums i'm interested in (all classical) would be way more expensive than buying them on CD, which sucks.

toby, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

I keep promising myself to get into what I understand is a deep catalogue of good classical stuff on eMusic. If you're interested in that, there are a few places to investigate: this thread from the eMusic message boards and this 'Dozens' list.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 15 December 2007 16:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thanks - those links are more encouraging! Maybe I'll give it a go.

toby, Saturday, 15 December 2007 16:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

Toby, here's one more: Nereffid's Guide to eMusic Classical. Once you look into it, I'd be interested in hearing what you think is the best classical pieces on eMusic. I'd like to download some of this genre, but with so many versions by so many performers, it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe (although the sites I've linked will help in this regard).

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 15 December 2007 20:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

toby: but i think most of the albums i'm interested in (all classical) would be way more expensive than buying them on CD, which sucks.

I find it a very good deal for classical, but then I guess I mainly use it for "classical" classical -- symphonies, sonatas etc rather than works like this Stockhausen one, or for that matter opera (I've found the same opera can have wildly varying prices in different recordings, since it's all down to how the record company have divided the tracks -- as Daniel said, it's an emusic quirk).

Daniel: I'd be interested in hearing what you think is the best classical pieces on eMusic. I'd like to download some of this genre, but with so many versions by so many performers, it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaffe

Well, as for the works themselves, with labels such as Naxos, they more or less have the entire repertoire and then some, so "best classical pieces on eMusic" is similar to "best classical pieces period". (Among the exceptions are things that are still in copyright etc, since these may not be workable for budget labels.)

Things are obviously complicated quite a lot if you're looking for particular or just "the best" recordings of a given work -- but if you just want to get familiar with a work (or venture into the lesser-known repertoire for fun or research), I've found it a fantastic resource. (I am at this very moment listening to -- of all things -- a concerto for two clarinets and orchestra from 1802 by Franz Krommer, downloaded for under a buck just because I randomly read something about him yesterday.) The Naxos recordings (to mention them again) may not give you the crème-de-la-crème or talk-of-the-town versions of any given (overplayed) piece, but in general they range from just rather good & serviceable to excellent.

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 15 December 2007 21:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

To clarify/amplify end of previous post abt Naxos: focus there is on the works, rather than on performers; this is somewhat in opposition to what majors tend to do*: bring out The Great Works yet again in another version by the star(let) of the year, no doubt influenced by the massive success of "star power" that has been demonstrated by the pop world these last fifty years.

*) I am oversimplifying, of course.

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 15 December 2007 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

waht's wrong wi/emusic? last two nights it just gives me error messages. i have 11 downloads that are gonna expire in 2 day, but the site won't give me access to anything.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 07:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I was surprised to see that a bunch of Rolling Stones stuff has been made available:

http://www.emusic.com/artist/The-Rolling-Stones-MP3-Download/11661667.html

Hurting 2, Monday, 7 April 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

We're sorry. The albums by this artist are unavailable for download in your country (United Kingdom) at this time.

Mark G, Monday, 7 April 2008 15:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, The Rolling Stones discs on eMusic are available in the U.S., but not the U.K. I've never been much of a Rolling Stones fan, but this run of discs that just hit eMusic (Aftermath up to but not including Sticky Fingers) is pretty good. Also, eMusic just got 25 David Murray discs from the DIW label that are otherwise unavailable (this is, apparently, a big deal for some jazz fans). And eMusic is getting the Kompakt label soon, too.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 April 2008 15:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm a little unimpressed by the fact i've not had a response to an e-mail i sent a week ago complaining about duff MP3s (which i actually managed to fix myself by converting them to AAC). other than that, i heart emusic.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 7 April 2008 21:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

(in fact: e-mail is wrong. it was using the form on their website specifically designed for reporting defective tracks. all i have is an automated reply. still. hey ho.)

grimly fiendish, Monday, 7 April 2008 21:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

You're 100% right. They're Customer Service Dep't isn't good about responding to email. It's one of my few criticisms of the service. But if you call them, they're very responsive, polite and professional. Not sure if the problem you're raising is something they'll address over the phone, but maybe.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 April 2008 21:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

ach: it doesn't matter, 'cos i had an idea about how to fix it straight after i got in touch, and -- woah! -- it worked. if there'd been an easy way to reply to the e-mail/send another comment using the ID number they gave me/whatever, i'd have done so; there wasn't, so i didn't.

ultimately: it's only an issue if a) anyone happens to be downloading "the unutterable" by the fall; b) the problem isn't unique to that album. and, as problems go, it wasn't all that serious.

but still ... :)

grimly fiendish, Monday, 7 April 2008 21:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

I hear you. For such a good, responsive company, I don't know what's up with eMusic's slow-response to email inquiries and problems.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 7 April 2008 21:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

From a Napster press release a few months ago:

Napster is the first music subscription service featuring major label content to offer 100% of its catalog in the MP3 format for download sales.

Is this true? I thought eMusic was 100% DRM-free mp3s. (This is for work, but I can't find the answer anywhere else.)

jaymc, Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

emusic doesn't have major label content, tho'

bendy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

anybody have any tips for finding stuff on eMusic? I just subscribed for the first time a couple weeks ago, and the charts seem kinda useless to me so I never know what's on there unless I think to search for a specific artist.

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

emusic doesn't have major label content, tho'

Good point. I skimmed over that part.

jaymc, Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

tips for finding stuff on eMusic?

Find an artist you like, then look through the member-created playlists associated with the page. Put in Burial, for instance, and you'll get links to a whole bunch of deeper dubstep'ish stuff to sample. There's a lot of hidden gems on the site. Pickup stuff as soon as you're sure about it: labels fall off the site all the time. Also, the 17dots.com blog, by eMusic staffers, has a lot of good alerts for new arrivals. I really get something close to the crate-digging experience on eMusic, which I can't say about any other online music resource.

bendy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 19:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah i like just browsing the different categories, the various "dozen" lists, etc. i've downloaded a lot of stuff just on a whim, some of it great. i agree that it's the closest thing online to a good, quirky record store (or the closest legal thing, anyway).

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 13 November 2008 20:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

the roir free sampler they have up right now is pretty decent, tho i have a fair bit of it already.

Booker van Permalink (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 November 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

when I'm browsing I usually start with one of the "dozens" and then go from there on the albums' pages. The search engine is pretty sweet for finding remixes since it will look for an artists' name in individual song titles

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Anybody have any tips for finding stuff on eMusic?

I usually check New and Noteworthy and Dozens and then I browse categories or labels by editor's picks if I don't have a specific artist or album I want.

There's pretty much always some Riverside/Fantasy jazz record or Folkways record worth having when I run out of other ideas.

Albert Jeans (Hurting 2), Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Noticed the Load Records catalog is up. Not sure if that's new. Not sure if that's exciting.

Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'll tell you what's exciting is the new nels cline album, which everybody should get right now.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^

emusic also has the album his brother Alex Cline released the same day, which is not as good but still worth a look.

I was thinking of doing a rolling 2009 emusic thread, should I make a new one or just use this?

some dude, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey mister, I could use a rolling thread.

Frank Sumatra (NickB), Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

yes please rolling thread

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Thursday, 26 February 2009 18:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Can't argue with 35 free downloads, no strings attached (assuming you remember to cancel your account within a week)

The genre tags on their dls are pretty o_0 though. Apparently Amadou et Miriam are reggae, while Funkadelic and Debbie Deb are both hip-hop.

some random sauce like lentils jalapenos and donkey milk (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 6 November 2009 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

A ton of "world" albums on eMusic are mistagged as "reggae."

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 6 November 2009 19:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

what's the bitrate on eMusic these days? I can't find anything on the site and I think it was something like 128 last time I used it (c. 2001). but Chilly Gonzales has released six or so hours of his Guinness World Record 24-hour piano concert digitally and I'm v keen to check it out (and finally buy something where the royalties might make it to him, after Kitty-Yo).

alternatively, anyone got better things to say about Amazon, 7Digital, Deezer, AOL, Starzik or We7, who also seem to be "stocking" the "albums"?

an terror has occurred (sic), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's a higher VBR now, 192 i think?

i've bought a lot of stuff from 7digital, no quality issues, and they have the gonzales stuff at 320k CBR, though they are more expensive than emusic.

blarinet (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

You won't find major label material besides Sony/CBS etc., but if it carries the independent labels you follow (in my case Warp, 4AD/Beggar's Banquet, and a few others), the costs per download are lower than elsewhere and a subscription makes sense. Everytime I think of cancelling I find at least 5+ albums to queue up.

I like lala.com a good deal. They've got an unusual first streaming play = free/unlimited streaming play = $0.10/download = $0.89 pricing scheme, but no subscriptions, and are licensing a good deal of major label (and others like ECM) material. Also, you can load your music collection to their server cloud to facilitate copyright violation prosecution so that you can play any of your collection on any net connected computer. Something like 180 GB on their network is now devoted to my music which didn't match previous users'.

Biodegradable (Derelict), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

anyway k1t unless you are currently a subscriber it is academic as they are no longer accepting new regs from australians

blarinet (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

fuc that noize :(

will have a look at 7Digital later, ta - I remember finding their sign-up too frustrating to bother for some exclusive track a year or two ago, but for a whole bunch at 320k I'll grit my teeth harder

an terror has occurred (sic), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

lala looks like a rip-off of last.fm, which is so attractive.

US EEL (u s steel), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 12:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

eMusic always has higher bitrates than 192 - most things are VBR. Occasionally you'll see things at 256 kbps, but for the most part they're high.

Shannon Whirry and the Bad Brains, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 16:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

emusic.com/lovefilm lets you download fifty tracks for free.

its handy if you want to build your william basinski collection as many of his albums are one "track".

djh, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just got an email from them saying the entire Hendrix catalog goes up on Jan. 1.

Thulsa Doob (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

has anyone else experienced emusic crashing when trying to download something in firefox on a mac?

sarahel, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

No but I have deliberately avoided upgrading the eMusic DL Manager bcuz I'm afraid of stuff like that...

Thulsa Doob (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

noticed that supermarkets here have emusic cards for sale for £10. i think it works out as twice as expensive as a subscription but without the subscription hassle (or the need for a credit card, which is where i fail)

koogs, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

actually, the prepaid cards are 20 for £10 which is ok compared to 24 for £9.99 subscription

they also do cards for 100 downloads for about £30 (and 50 for £21) but apparently these higher denominations are thin on the ground.

koogs, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

eMusic is now having a sale on its "Booster Packs." Fifty credits for $20.00, which basically cranks out to .40 a song.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Cool, thanks for the tip. I'll bite on that.

Thulsa Doob (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was going to, but then I spotted this 7Digital sale. So many good MP3 albums for $2.00. I think the downloading process is a pain.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

So I forgot that my account refreshes on the 26th or thereabouts, rather than the end/beginning of the month, and thus got ROBBED of $5.01 (was hemming and hawing on how to spend it since seemingly every album I wanted was $5.89 or $5.99. Totally fed up with this horseshit plus the relatively low bit rates and wanted to cancel my account. Short story long, they offered me a free month to stay. I took it, but am so cancelling after that.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i've been on the $6.49/month plan for the last few months just as kind of a minimum involvement thing to see whether i want to stay in the long-term and increase my subscription again at some point, and it's really frustrating that pretty much every time i'm interested in a new album it's $6.99 (or it's even higher, which is frustrating in a different way because at that point i can usually get it cheaper on Amazon mp3). last month i kept delaying using it my downloads hoping that something new would come along with a lower price and then i forgot to go ahead and just download something older and cheaper before the new month rolled over.

some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

so they've taken away record label name and release date from the new releases page

was there a point to doing this? uh i mean congrats on fucking it up for new bands i only discover through knowing the label name, wtg

Преве́д LIVE (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can't imagine the hassle having that info there was causing, i am sorry for your lots

Преве́д LIVE (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

cockmunchers

Преве́д LIVE (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

That really sucks. I browse classical new releases primarily where label is v v v important.

how do I Mothman a ho? (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

it looks like it's only gone when the cover art is thumbnailed (my default view). so not the end of the world but still hell of annoying

Преве́д LIVE (electricsound), Thursday, 31 March 2011 00:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Found a good classical label (Radioservis, seeming to specialize in Polish and Hungarian stuff) whose album price is $4.40. Good to know about for those end of month situations. Has anyone noticed any other labels (of whatever genre) at this price?

how do I Mothman a ho? (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

The 61-track Homage a Nesuhi is a great comp of Atlantic Jazz for $5.99

rock rough 'n' stuff with h.r. pufnstuf (Hurting 2), Thursday, 31 March 2011 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh, good tip! There are a few such 2fer deals on there-- the Rhino Larry Levan comp is (or was) the price of one disc, as is Daniel Barenboim's killer 2cd of the Schumann symphonies. Some others I'm not remembering.

how do I Mothman a ho? (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 April 2011 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Now that the dust has settled on eMusic's new pricing structure, are there many people still using it? And if so are you satisfied with it? I let my account lapse about a year ago when I a little cash-strapped, but am thinking of signing back up. Is it worth it?

scott pgwp (pgwp), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm still in but mostly just to irritate them.
My "grandfathered" account = Price: £6.39 (every 30 days) Bonus: £10.41 (every 30 days) Total Credit: £16.80 (every 30 days)

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

argh why do i keep forgetting to cancel my membership

blbllbllllllrlrrghgghhh (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

at this point i basically keep my minimum membership partly as an excuse to look at eMusic's new releases slate every few weeks, which tends to be much easier to navigate than iTunes etc.

some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

still cheaper than the alternatives for me

pitch defect (electricsound), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Same here.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm still grandfathered in at 22¢/track

jay lenonononono (abanana), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

still cheaper than the alternatives for me

― pitch defect (electricsound), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:13 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

i haven't done a lot of side-by-side comparison pricing but in my experience Amazon MP3 tends to have whatever new album i want for less than eMusic is selling it for

contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I got grandfathered in too - I use it, mainly for stuff I want to be able to listen to on my ipod while I'm running or sleeping. Sometimes I think it's a waste, but I always enjoy choosing my music and it is cheaper/easier to manage than alternatives. I don't like the switch from downloads to cash, though. It makes me feel way more likely to cancel.

deez m'uts (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

amazon is not available to non-US residents

my alternative is 7digital, which occasionally is cheaper but not as a rule

pitch defect (electricsound), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh right, forgot where you live -- still, though, i would like to give a shout out to Amazon MP3 for anyone who cares, they're pretty good!

contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Amazon has some stuff that emusic doesn't, they had a lot of seventies glam and bubblegum type stuff I like, but the navigation is atrocious. Emusic is definitely worth keeping if you're a big music fan. I'm glad they expanded actually!

Sebastian Cabinet (u s steel), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

amazon is not available to non-US residents

It's available in the UK.
But, more to the point, when are they going to stop with this 'region' shit?

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

when are they going to stop with this 'region' shit?

yeah i am fucking sick of it. australia gets fucked in the ass with this stuff all the time because we don't have any competitive local alternatives, either in range or price. itunes is more expensive than buying a cd.

pitch defect (electricsound), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm grandfathered but still deeply fucking aggravated after another month of missing my refresh date and losing out on $7 or $8. It is so obnoxious that they don't send a reminder email, which would be so insanely easy for them to do.

FYI - I attempted to cancel and they said "please don't leave - have a month for free and stick around," so I'm waiting for my refresh date to if it's that easy.

Since they're dicks who can't be bothered to send a reminder email or respond to inquiries about why they don't do that, I'll let everyone know how the free month plays out because you can all probably get one.

She Got the Shakes, Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

can you not just set an outlook reminder to yourself?

(other reminder applications are available)

koogs, Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm still grandfathered in at 22¢/track

the thing that really pissed me off was that i was in at 22 cents/track, but they kept diluting me down until it was 3 to 4 times that. the extent of my "grandfathering" ended up being like one track per month over current rates. more of an insult to injury thing, but srsly- fuck off emusic. i can buy at similar rates without a subscription.

the entire premise of your tweet is incorrect (Hunt3r), Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

can you not just set an outlook reminder to yourself?

I guess so, but - and I am willing to accept that this might be misguided - I kind of feel like the burden shouldn't necessarily be on me in this type of scenario.

She Got the Shakes, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

i kinda agree. it'd be easy enough and nice of them. but sometimes you've gotta help yourself (and it is benefitting you, for not much effort)

koogs, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

(my 3g dongle quota is similar, a 30 day cycle. but i've done nothing about it. they DO actually text me when it's near the end but i never get them as i don't use their clunky windows client)

koogs, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, you've all pretty well answered my question. Not going to resubscribe.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just put my account on hold after 6 years (will probably drop it for good, but wanted to make sure)and signed up with MOG for mobile.

Professor Respect, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

most of you probably know this (some of you probably wrote editorial pieces in connection with it), but for everyone else, emi and its subsidiaries -- e.g., blue note, mute -- arrived en masse this morning at emusic.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Unless, of course you are in the EU, UK or Canada...

i can't, i won't (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Irritated. I have $4.62 and everything I want is > $5.
Is there a way to search for price points? I hate this system. This is totally making me want to cancel this dumb account and be done with it.

Garyln (La Lechera), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc you can search by number of tracks, which might help

Brad C., Friday, 3 June 2011 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I tried that but it was like wading through a deep field of muck. I could just get a couple of tracks from an album I want, then fill in the blanks later, I guess but geez. I don't like their browsing setup at all if they are going to hold to this $ model.

Garyln (La Lechera), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

You tried searching by number of tracks and genre? Also, I think that you can search through just the albums that have the 'deal' flag.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 3 June 2011 22:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Number of tracks and genre at the same time, I mean.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 3 June 2011 22:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

once i get down to below the price of most full albums, i usually wait until the day before my refresh, buy the tracks i can afford, and then come back the next day to finish the album. although now that i type it out, that sounds kind of ridiculous and hoop-jumpy, and of course it doesn't help if i buy a lot at the beginning of the month and then have to wait and wait for the refresh.

truf bob-omb (reddening), Friday, 3 June 2011 23:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Think I'm going to cancel and go back to used CD's once I move and actually have room for a CD library again. Too many albums I want are $6+

hated old moniker, too tired to think of a clever new one (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 June 2011 23:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

so emusic canada now has one kanye album and one lady gaga album. talk about a slow rollout of a major.

nuclear power, jet propulsion, radar, laser beams, cordless phone (abanana), Friday, 3 June 2011 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Might not be quite to your taste and maybe the pricing works out different in the US, but here are some good artists to check that often have just a few tracks per album. All ambient, experimental and um, modern classical stuff:

Robert Ashley
Steve Roach
Nurse With Wound
Klaus Schulze
Walter Marchetti
Rhys Chatham
Gavin Bryars
Oren Ambarchi
William Basinski
Black Swan
Tony Conrad
Taylor Deupree
Irr.App.(Ext.)
Charlemagne Palestine
Eliane Radigue
Yellow Swans

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Friday, 3 June 2011 23:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great list, and I already have some of those bases covered (NWW, Schulze, Basinski) but the others are good reminders. You read my mind!

The only prob seems to be that what used to be a good deal album has turned into a $5.99 album, and most of these (at least the ones I just looked at) are $5.99 now. I mean, that is not a lot of cash, and I would pay it, but I have $4.62 credit. So...do I get booster pack and just spend more than I planned on spending? Maybe. Do I plan out what I'm going to download next time so that I have *just* the right balance of credit and albums? Unlikely, knowing me.

The hoop jumping is greatly outweighing my enjoyment of 2.5 albums per month at this point.

Garyln (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's too bad, lots of the albums by the guys on that list only cost about a pound here.

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Arrrgh....I was so busy this week that I didn't finish downloading last months downloads...I lost thirty god damned dollars! They should send you an automated e-mail every month to remind you!

Then Abitha Tabitha is My New Screen Name (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 20 August 2011 13:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

that kind of programming costs $$$$$$$$$

if you hipster on your fixie tonight, dont forget, wear black. amen. (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 August 2011 13:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

It wouldn't cost them anything. They do that very deliberately. That's why I quit - for the record, you can go to cancel your account and the'll give you one month free to stay on. I did that, then quit as soo as I had spent those credits. They're dicks.

Walter Galt, Saturday, 20 August 2011 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty much every monthly subscription service works this way. i was in my u-haul storage space two days over and i had to pay for an entire month. i wanted to burn the fucking building down.

Lil Boosie's on the Up (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 20 August 2011 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was being facetious--that's one reason i quit them too

if you hipster on your fixie tonight, dont forget, wear black. amen. (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

the change in the system is an insidious money-sucker too, because before you always had a number of 'songs' on your account that you could use up, now that the account balance is measured in dollars and cents, there's always going to be some odd remainder that you won't find a song of that amount to purchase, so when the month rolls over that's basically money you get no benefit all from having given to them.

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

no. "loose change" -- less than enough to download a final song in a given month -- rolls over to the next month.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

even then, if i have sixty cents left to spend, it won't roll over, because i could potentially find some .49 song to download. so then it becomes a matter of hunting around for a song that falls within this magical price-point, or else losing the money. it's tedious.

sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Sunday, 21 August 2011 07:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

you're right. but it was the same way with the old credit system (if you had a stray credit or two left at the end of a billing cycle, those credits didn't roll-over to the new billing cycle; instead, you lost them).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 August 2011 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, but a credit was a credit -- you grabbed a song and went on your way. usually i'd get one or two songs off an album that i intended to complete during the next pay period. this new business of hunting for an appropriately priced single at the end of every pay period was what finally annoyed me enough to put my account on hold (that and the appearance of US spotify).

sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Sunday, 21 August 2011 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

no. "loose change" -- less than enough to download a final song in a given month -- rolls over to the next month.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

really? good to know, i thought it didn't!

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

but reddening otm, it's still another reason the site sucks now compared to the old days

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just cancelled for good. I basically spent three weeks trying to reduce my account level and got no help from customer service. Every time I'd try to drop to a lower plan I'd get a glitch. Luckily the cancel function did not glitch. Was barely worth it anymore anyway -- near CD price for low-quality mp3.

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 21:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

I have an eMusic question. How do the royalties work with the labels in this type of situation: eMusic has just put the new Sacred Bones reissue of the Eraserhead soundtrack up for £1.28. It's retailing for about £40 on vinyl. I'm sure this was some kind of automated thing, because it's only technically a four track album (similarly, the reissue of Sleep's Dopesmoker was put up for 84p as a single song).

Am I boning the labels or bands if I jump on those possible mistakes, or will they get the same cut no matter what?

She Got the Shakes, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 09:58 (six years ago) Permalink

I have read (in an old interview with one of the emusic honchos) that the labels always get paid more for tracks over 6 minutes. No idea about comparing it with LP sales.

get you ass to mahs (abanana), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:40 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I want an emusic this-or-that thread.

Ie, should I go ahead and buy the new Gudrun Gut, Wildlife for the unusually high $9.48 of credit, or should I wait til November 6 to see if Andy Stott's Luxury Problems will get a timely emusic release.

Not a rhetorical question.

圧迫系プレイ (Sanpaku), Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:42 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

the psychology of buying on itunes is v different than the psychology of buying on emusic. with itunes i think, "do i really, really want this? can an album with a lead song called zed the mythical goat possibly be worth $9.99?" with emusic i think, "eh, they've already taken my X dollars this month; might as well download this."

anyone know what's the typical price of an album for an emusic subscriber these days? to non-subscribers (who can now buy a la carte), the emusic and itunes prices are mostly equal.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:39 (five years ago) Permalink

I just don't see the benefit of this service vs. $10/month for Spotify Premium

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:47 (five years ago) Permalink

do they have anything spotify doesn't?

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:48 (five years ago) Permalink

it's a function of my age, really. i have an attachment to owning, not just "renting" (streaming), music. purely personal preference.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:51 (five years ago) Permalink

typical price of an album for an emusic subscriber these days

6.99

in other news, since the motherfucking orchard swallowed up ioda, the amount of actually good music available to me on emusic has diminished to microscopic levels

take that, bitterman (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:51 (five years ago) Permalink

they still have bruno mars.

the entire catalogue.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:53 (five years ago) Permalink

oooooooooh

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 03:16 (five years ago) Permalink

for me it's a portability issue. i can't put spotify on my ipod and that's what I listen to the most because i like to listen to music while walking/running/moving from a to b. if i had to drain my phone battery i'd be stingy about listening to stuff and that would be stupid. better to just have mp3s. also they're MINE.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 12:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Also if the label decides they don't wanna be on emusic (or spotify) any more, I still have the music.

Thelema & Louise (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 12:47 (five years ago) Permalink

the psychology of buying on itunes is v different than the psychology of buying on emusic. with itunes i think, "do i really, really want this? can an album with a lead song called zed the mythical goat possibly be worth $9.99?" with emusic i think, "eh, they've already taken my X dollars this month; might as well download this."

otm. i cancelled my emusic subscription a few years ago because i was basically just downloading only remotely interesting stuff in order to use up my monthly amount. it was this contest every month to use it up before I forgot about it and lost the money. i almost never buy music on itunes. maybe like 2 albums in the past 6 years. lots of people give itunes giftcards though so i've certainly used those.

i basically use spotify now, primarily to check out new stuff that i eventually will buy in physical format if i really like it.

marcos, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 14:58 (five years ago) Permalink

do they have anything spotify doesn't?

Yes, definitely - ECM and ReR and also some dance oriented things like Hessle Audio and Hemlock are a few labels that spring to my mind. Also some labels put things up on eMusic on day of release but you might have to wait a couple of months until it's on Spotify (e.g. RVNG)

if you lose your way tonight that's how you know the map's not right (NickB), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:18 (five years ago) Permalink

my main problem with spotify as an alternative to downloading is that i can't take it anywhere! just thinking about that makes me wonder if my walkman still works.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, you can pay $10/month for premium and then you get it to mobile devices, and you can set certain albums to play in "offline" mode which is kind of like a temporary download. Of course this is limited by the space you have on your phone or mobile device (a problem for me since mine tends to be full of baby videos at all times).

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:24 (five years ago) Permalink

it also requires carrying my phone at all times and using its battery for something that is not related to the phone so what do i do if i binge on spotify and can't make/receive a phone call?!
i'm a super ambulant person and also paranoid about batteries dying so spotify on my phone just isn't really an option for me
i'm ok with emusic for now! why do i keep talking about this?!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:31 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Accidentally found this on emusic today, it's under 6 bucks:

http://o.scdn.co/300/c43c2b8375e245a80b7c23227b9c63018f043357

100 mambo-craze-era songs by a great, weird roster: Henry Mancini, Johnny Burnette, June Carter, Eydie Gorme, Ivory Joe Hunter, Sophia Loren, Lavern Baker, Huey Piano Smith, Ruth Brown, Hank Snow, and on and on.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 August 2013 05:17 (five years ago) Permalink

I was just thinking about eMusic yesterday—I just upgraded a bunch of old 128 CBR mp3s from eMusic through iTunes Match. I'm glad it's still around.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Sunday, 18 August 2013 17:46 (five years ago) Permalink

what's the fifth song on that comp?

socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Ha. There is a version of that, though not the original. (But there are a few others by Perez Prado.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 August 2013 22:18 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

"As a result, beginning today, we will be exiting the mainstream music business and offering exclusively independent music."

in full support here

outback bumfuc (electricsound), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Wait what?

(My monthly credits reup tomorrow...)

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:32 (four years ago) Permalink

in full support here

― outback bumfuc (electricsound), Friday, September 26, 2014

wish i had a better idea of what this announcement meant, or what the catalog will look like tomorrow. no major-indies, plus loss of major labels, leaves micro-label and self-released (which was already onsite).

i haven't been an emu member for years now. but if the service again looks like it did in 2010, i might reconsider.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 26 September 2014 23:38 (four years ago) Permalink

So many of my Saved albums are classical things on labels like bis, Harmonia mundi, aeon, and bridge, and I assume those are indie enough to still be there in the morning.

Bummer to lose sony and warner though.

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:55 (four years ago) Permalink

as a grandfathered non-US type i expect the catalogue will look entirely unchanged to me.

it is probably a bit much to dream that Orchard-distroed labels will return but hope springs eternal

outback bumfuc (electricsound), Saturday, 27 September 2014 00:02 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm sure they were margin squeezed on the major label releases (eg 0.89 / track at eMusic vs. 0.99 at Amz vs. 1.29 at iTunes).

I haven't forgotten the reason tracks are 0.89 vs the earlier 0.49 is so eMusic could woo the majors.

There's so much "meh" on my saved list I'm sorely tempted to drop.

Felt up by Adam Smith's invisible hand (Sanpaku), Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:21 (four years ago) Permalink

still plenty of major label stuff on the site - anybody know anything deeper about what's going on here?

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Sunday, 28 September 2014 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

It changed today. Universal is gone, warner is gone. Sony still there, though! Maybe they have the best terms. I seem to recall they were the first major emusic got...

All the large indie classical labels I checked for are still there.

a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Universal is gone

So ironically the new U2 album has been taken down from emusic?

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:41 (four years ago) Permalink

ironically?

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Canceled my membership over the weekend. Found an album that got my balance down to zero (Horace Silver's The Cape Verdean Blues, for $4.74) and which is doubtless gone now - Blue Note being part of Universal/EMI.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh man- all the Blue Note is gone?! That sucks. At least I grabbed a bunch of the Silvers while they were available. Are they actually adding any new indies or just removing the major labels? My "Saved" list went from about 35 to 10. I may have to consider cancelling if they don't follow through on bringing in new labels to replace the majors.

o. nate, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:27 (four years ago) Permalink

It still annoys me that you can't carry your balance over from month to month. I have probably lost over $200 in credits because of that.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:44 (four years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

there is a split (albeit an unauthorized one) of MARS and Furious Pig on emusic!

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Merge is now on eMusic in the UK for indie rock fans

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 3 July 2015 09:19 (three years ago) Permalink

How much of that is Furious Pig?

Mark G, Friday, 3 July 2015 12:28 (three years ago) Permalink

wow, it's still going

PaulTMA, Friday, 3 July 2015 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Never mind, it's on Spotify, Merge and HMV digital as well!

Mark G, Friday, 3 July 2015 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Anyone else noticed that a lot of new releases have been slow to appear on the site since the change to a Friday release day?

michaellambert, Monday, 5 October 2015 20:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't suppose they offer FLAC yet.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 5 October 2015 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

No. Recently upgraded to 320kbps MP3 for new additions.

michaellambert, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:02 (three years ago) Permalink

My "Save for Later" list has eroded down to its smallest in 6 years membership (now: ~20 albums). Too many missing indie labels, and I'm more comfortable supporting artists through Bandcamp. Every booster credit sale just hastens my departure.

gate gate paragate parasamgate (Sanpaku), Monday, 5 October 2015 22:46 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i think they finally are letting you carry over your unused account balance? like, as of a few months ago? or am I just imagining things

sarahell, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 22:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Good grief.

I'm still hanging in! Independent classical & experimental labels is enough to soak my monthly credits up.

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 22:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Independent classical & experimental labels is enough to soak my monthly credits up.

Same here, but I tend to do things like not feel like "buying" anything for a month and a half, and then wanting to get a bunch of stuff, and end up getting booster packs, and resenting the fact that the credits didn't carry over.

sarahell, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 22:37 (three years ago) Permalink

I buy boosters whenever there's a sale on them

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 22:45 (three years ago) Permalink

The intention to "roll eMusic into the MyMusicCloud service" doesn't sound initially too promising for my continued membership, but shall wait and see.

http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/emusic-acquired-by-cloud-computing-firm-triplay/063193

michaellambert, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i think they finally are letting you carry over your unused account balance? like, as of a few months ago? or am I just imagining things

This has not been the case with my account

Walter Galt, Thursday, 22 October 2015 00:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure what "roll eMusic into the MyMusicCloud service" means, but I'm hoping it means that basically nothing changes, except that if you want to, you can stream your purchases through the cloud (in addition to just playing the MP3s you still get to keep).

o. nate, Thursday, 22 October 2015 01:45 (three years ago) Permalink

That is my hope. I'm just a pessimist who expects something different to happen.

michaellambert, Thursday, 22 October 2015 09:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah... No files that come live on my computer forever, no deal.

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:09 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Streaming is live and works flawlessly; redownloads are coming. There's a 2x booster pack sale on right now.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Thursday, 31 December 2015 20:45 (two years ago) Permalink

I should probably test it out again right before saying that -- there's some server problems today.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Thursday, 31 December 2015 20:50 (two years ago) Permalink

do you work there? just curious

sarahell, Thursday, 31 December 2015 20:53 (two years ago) Permalink

no, just a long time member

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Thursday, 31 December 2015 21:03 (two years ago) Permalink

There have been a lot of billing issues as they've tried to upgrade that side of their systems after the takeover. Having said that the streaming has worked perfectly on the couple of occasions I've tried it and from what I can see the new owner is taking customer support and site functionality more seriously than their predecessors.

treefell, Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:46 (two years ago) Permalink

it would be great if it didn't keep automatically downloading the installer exe file every time i buy something

sarahell, Thursday, 31 December 2015 23:55 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

anyone still using eMusic?
they've just redesigned the website and seem to have changed business model as well but I still have a 10year-old subscription that allows me download a certain amount of mp3's for a couple of bucks every month. So they still do that too for the moment.
But their catalogue is terrible. Loads of labels are simply not involved, I get that. But even for the labels that are on the site you just have to wait if a particular release will show up. Just some examples: new Sorority Noise album. Every other release on the label is on there and even some recent SN singles but not the album (actually, it wás at some point but now it disappeared again). Also: Toitoitoi. On Ghost Box. Label is available on the site. Record is out. It's on Spotify and 7Digital. But not on eMusic.
This is not new buy the way. I've got a folder in gmail of me e-mailing labels asking when a particular record will be on eMusic and them answering back, hm, it should be on there, let me check with the distributor.
The last few years I've been finding it harder and harder to spend my credits each month.

Joris Stereo, Friday, 12 May 2017 14:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm still using it. It's always been great for classical music and continues to be. I don't get much rock/pop stuff there anymore though it continues to be my way of buying new Robyn Hitchcock and Fall releases (though yes the last Fall one took a looong time to show up on eMu. Between new releases on classical and film score labels and archival/reissue electronic and kraut/kosmische type stuff I don't have a problem using up my 24 bucks a month.

I'm not clear yet on how the new model is different other than the site redesign.

fish louse (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:21 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that emusic still exists. Used to love them. It's like finding out that there's a big market for 78s. In all seriousness, I got an astounding amount of great music from this service. A billion years ago.

dlp9001, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:49 (one year ago) Permalink

I was over the moon in 2002 when eMusic began hosting all the old Daniel Johnston tapes, just weeks after me getting into him and thinking I'd have to order all these import cassettes

PaulTMA, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:51 (one year ago) Permalink

My wishlist slowly shrinked with all the dropped labels until I gave up on my grandfathered (+bonus credits) account in 2015. Feel better about supporting artists through bandcamp, too.

baby, we don't love you baby, we don't love you baby, yeah (Sanpaku), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:23 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that emusic still exists. Used to love them. It's like finding out that there's a big market for 78s. In all seriousness, I got an astounding amount of great music from this service. A billion years ago.

― dlp9001, Friday, May 12, 2017 1:49 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ooh owned

fish louse (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:53 (one year ago) Permalink

It's clear that they've been barely keeping the site ticking over since they decided to switch their backend to 7digital and putting all their effort into the new site.
It looked from the beta test that a lot of content that should have been on the site for months (new releases from Sub Pop as one example) would appear after the switch over.
Then the launch happened and labels like Sub Pop, Warp, Bella Union suddenly have no or very little in the catalogue. There's been no real explanation as to why this stuff hasn't appeared in the new live site but also no fanfare of new and returning labels. As a UK user it's very nice to see nearly 400 records turn up from Domino after years away.
There are a lot of disgruntled older users out there and I don't really see why anyone new would want to join up but I'm hopeful that once they sort their content issues out it will continue to be more than worth the money I pay for it.

treefell, Friday, 12 May 2017 19:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I've been a member since 2008. I've come close to cancelling a few times, what with the constant turnover in labels, sometimes it takes a while to find things you want. I just went there today and saw they've completely redone the site and it looks like half my wishlist has vanished - victims of label turnover I guess. It was great when you could get Blue Note jazz records from the '60s and major-label stuff. I almost cancelled after that disappeared, but then I found enough independent-label metal to keep me going. Now, I get most of that from Bandcamp, which has much better selection, so I'm not sure if I'll stick with eMusic much longer.

o. nate, Saturday, 13 May 2017 01:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Looks like they've added a bunch of avant-jazz labels: HatHut, ESP, Tzadik. I may have to start listening to that kind of stuff again.

o. nate, Saturday, 13 May 2017 01:05 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Anyone want to help me with some Tzadik recommendations? I basically stopped paying attention around 2000.

o. nate, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 01:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Every time I see this thread bumped I expect a link to a news article saying they've finally folded.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 01:57 (one year ago) Permalink

hmm, I've been disappointed by recent Tzadik albums I've tried. Anything written by or featuring Zorn in the last 15 years seems to be an aimless mess.

I like these from after 2000:

Kayo Dot, Choirs of the Eye, 2003
Wadada Leo Smith, Lake Biwa, 2004
the Scott Johnson reissue, John Somebody
Ayelet Rose Gottlieb, Mayim Rabim, 2006

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:18 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't have any interest in the no-wave improvisational klezmer punk side of the label, but I have dipped into their New Music offerings. IIRC, I liked:

Maryanne Amacher - Sound Characters, Sound Characters vol. 2
Alvin Curran - Animal Behavior, Theme Park, Lost Marbles, Shofar Rags
Arnold Dreyblatt - Animal Magnetism, Who's Who In Central & East Europe 1933
Annie Gosfield - Burnt Ivory and Loose Wires, Lost Signals and Drifting Satellites, Almost Truths And Open Deceptions
Lukas Ligeti - Mystery System, Afrikan Machinery
Lois Vierk - River Beneath the River
The Cracow Klezmer Band - Balan: Book of Angels Vol.5, Remembrance

The latter group could be described as Penderecki does klezmer, and may get me into the genre yet.

tactical piñata (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:50 (one year ago) Permalink

last month I got every single Haydn Symphony from here for like $6.99 ...

sansa riff (sarahell), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 06:24 (one year ago) Permalink

The Morton Feldman Patterns in a Chromatic Field on tzadik is fantastic.

Also, emusic has reverted to certain albums which are one long track being priced super cheap. I just got two Feldman chamber music albums on Bridge Records for like a buck each.

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 11:39 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Now chasing the cryptocurrency craze.

adam the (abanana), Friday, 6 April 2018 19:20 (seven months ago) Permalink


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