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i'm thinking radiohead and blur, here...any more suggestions?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Blur's debut is great! The UK one at least...

Negativland, Talk Talk, the Flaming Lips, New Order, Happy Mondays, Funkadelic, the Replacements, Primal Scream, Moby, Husker Du, Wilco

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Happy Monday's first album was great!

Beastie Boys
Prince
Mobb Deep
The The

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

MBV

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

well, partial greatness anyway.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually quite like Leisure by Blur, actually. Hell, it's a fuckuva lot better than, say, The Great Escape.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

evan writes:
new order

their first single "ceremony" is the best thing they ever did.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Funkadelic
Oh NO. NO. "Music For My Mother", damn it! Andandandandand "I Got a Thing, You Got a Thing, Everybody's Got A Thing"! And the six-minute version of "I'll Bet You"! C'mon nickalicious, back me up here!

The Replacements
Augh! (*cry*)

On the other hand, I can't figure out a single solitary band to nominate for this choice, except maybe Lifter Puller -- and even "crap" Lifter Puller's better than many other '90s alt-rock bands' peak moments.

Gatinha: Licensed to Ill or Polly Wog Stew?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Pollywog Stew was really an e.p., if you want to split hairs.

Ministry's With Sympathy might count here, but I actually quite like it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

For "Revenge" alone (you did it a-GANE!), I won't hear any early Ministry bashing. it's way better than anything I've heard from Filth Pig on.

Urge Overkill totally qualifies.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince

Oh GOD yes!!!!

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f543/f54308s23i1.jpg, perhaps?

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

definitely. their 80s stuff makes the thompson twins look like genius.

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I really have to disagree with Travis. Their entire canon is bland Byrds rip offs. And that is pretty bland. I would have to say Tricky! ; - )

― S Samson, Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Licensed to Ill. The other one was techbnically an EP, and I've never heard it.

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I was never very keen on the first TWO Human League albums, but loads of other people are, and they really only made one album which was great and sold loads, though it might hurt me to say it..

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Tori.

― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I was never very keen on the first TWO Human League albums, but loads of other people are, and they really only made one album which was great and sold loads, though it might hurt me to say it..

In the response to the Tori vote..I thought that was the only good one!

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

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Also, Guided By Voices had like three or four bad first albums.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh right, I'd forgot about that, apologies world (DOH!)

Mind you, I've never actually heard it. Has anyone?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

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Not a terrible start, but very derivative of other New York no-wave and nowhere near as great as (insert your favorite Sonic Youth album here).

― Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Tori and Sonic Youth went on to greatness?? NO!!!!

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 22 March 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

David Bowie

― David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:02 (twenty-three years ago)

husker du

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Faith No More

Ministry

Big Black

― mei (mei), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

the first Travis album is a lot better than the other two.

I think Yo La Tengo's debut is a bit crap. I also vote for Flaming Lips.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Licensed to Ill, though not representative of what their career would become is still, doubtless, an absolute gem.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I still don't think 'girls to do the dishes' etc is their proudest moment.

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

definitely. their 80s stuff makes the thompson twins look like genius.

Thompson Twins were genius. :-)

...which makes "A Product Of" from 1981 a contender btw....

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Plus Moody Blues' "Go Now" album.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Blur's first record! OK, I admit that it's not very good, but still, I love it. My Bloody Valentine's first record is rubbitch. You are not The Cramps. Now please discover your tremolo arm and cease this goth nonsense. And I'm going to get lynched for this, but Primal Scream's first record is pretty poor compared to their later wonderment. Shut up, you don't have to say anything, I know that no one will agree with me.

― kate (suzy), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I would also say "Leisure" was quite nice. A bit patchy, maybe, but it did contain no less than three truly ace singles.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Why has nobody mentioned the Stone Roses?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

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The latter two are controversial picks, I know... :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Why has nobody mentioned the Stone Roses?

Well, personally I don't consider that 1985 U2-wannabe EP an "album". :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 01:06 (twenty-three years ago)

nirvana. *hums 'you can hate me now'*

― Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 March 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha, that picture on Tori's album is easily the greatest thing she's ever done and I actually like Tori Amos! Holy shit!

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

CATHOLIC EDUCATION is Awesome..are you high (a better question might be...are you NOT high) as is the FIRST sonic youth...is Fuck Pussy Galore and All her Friend's Unrest's first?..(it wasn't Malcom X Park???) I sold it a long time ago, it's a compilation of different things, right? It's VERY spotty...I elect the Notwist...Im not much of a fan, I remember owning the "grunge" record and now they seemed to achieve a certain level of "greatness"

― ddb, Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Led Zeppelin
Underworld
The Frogs

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Underwhat?R U crazy?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Urge Overkill totally qualifies.

You mean "Strange, I" or "Jesus Urge Overkill"? Both those records, while containing some filler, are pretty damn relentless.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, "Jesus Urge Superstar". Gatinha, have you too many good memories spend uuuuun-dah-neath the radaaaaaah?

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:49 (twenty-three years ago)

dubnobheadwithmybassheadman was a classic elpee. It's their new album that sucks. Apparently the young hipster fellow with the record decks and the happy tablets buggered orf, leaving them mid-40s and bereft.

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

DB, are you really dismissing "Dazed and Confused", "How Many More Times?", "Good Times Bad Times", and "Communication Breakdown"? Some days I think it's the best LZ album.

Rush and Radiohead are the only examples I can think of where I think the artist has done great work and I also see virtually no value in their debut. On a tangential note, The Bends has been growing on me in a weird way in that I keep hearing it places and liking it.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

db,

lz and frogs = you need new speakers.

― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Y Kant Tori Read is actually kinda good. Hair-metal Kate Bush, etc.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Zep and Frogs is just wrong.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Pablo Honey is not only Radiohead's worst album, but one of the worst albums of all time. I am so glad I never heard it before I got into them.

(Sundar, there are 8 good-great songs on The Bends, and 4 fairly mediocre ones, and the album is best listened to with that in mind)

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The Fugees... "Blunted on Reality" was pretty awful.

Common Sense... "Can I Borrow a Dollar" = awful too.

― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 23 March 2003 04:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Gatinha: The first Underworld LP was that one produced by Rupert Hine with "Underneath the Radar" on it, though. I don't know what the title was, but I think it was either self-titled or called "Underneath the Radar". It didn't sound much like what they were doing by "dubnobasswithmyheadman". I used to have a bunch of singles and the LP by Freur, the band they were before that. I think I only have the "Doot Doot" 12" now, and some live video footage. I may have a cassette of the 2nd Underworld album "Change the Weather" somewhere, and I might listen to it again if I found it.

Geir: I like the first Genesis album! The box-set versions of songs, without the string arrangements, sound much better to me, though. In comparison, the strings added to the LP versions seem to sap the energy of the performances.

― tom (other), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, sundar and gygax... "Led Zeppelin", great speakers or not, just bores the shit out of me, and their material just gets better and better over time IMHO.

"The Frogs" as well. Doesn't hold a candle to "It's Only Right And Natural".

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Replacements - "Sorry, Ma, I Forgot To Take Out The Trash"
This is a great album! It convinced me that yes, there was good punk.
Re: Travis - Perfunctory, yes, unnessecary, probably - but crap?
Nah. For one thing, Frank Healy's voice sounds better here than
on subsequent releases, wherein he is far too restrained.

I'm finding it very hard to come up with a true example of the
above. Most bad bands were bad from day one, and most good bands
released debut albums that are only "crap" in comparison to their
future accomplishments.

Hmm.
I'll bet that if all 50 million _The Wall_ and
_Dark Side Of the Moon_ buyers heard _Piper At The Gates Of
Dawn_, most of them would find it unlistenable.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and this may be sacrilege to a true ween fan,
but their first two albums sucked eggs.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I would say Bowie too, but I love his first album and all his early stuff way to much (even better than ziggy era stuff).

my pick would be Flaming Lips

― A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 23 March 2003 06:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Dubnobasswithmyheadman was Underworld's 3. album, not their debut.

― man, Sunday, 23 March 2003 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Pearl Jam's Ten was crap. Everything since, less a few songs here and there, has been terrific.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Underworld.

Yeah! Anything who thinks Dubnobasswithmyheadman is their crap album has obviously never heard Underneath the Radar.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 08:30 (twenty-three years ago)

"Anything" should read "anyone." ahem...

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

even though i agree that Ten was crap compared to the rest of their stuff, i can't quite abide applying the 'greatness' tag to Pearl Jam.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 March 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I gotta go with Unrest also. they went from tuneless crap to a well crafted decent pop act. Imperial FFRR is not half bad. A rare example of growth

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Sunday, 23 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and this may be sacrilege to a true ween fan,
but their first two albums sucked eggs.

Well, The Pod I can definitely understand people hating (the slow stuff sure can get on peoples' nerves), but GodWeenSatan: The Oneness is a forkin' MASTERPIECE!!! One of the funniest albums ever. How can you not like an album that has a song called "Let Me Lick Your Pussy"?

― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 23 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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The XTC one isn't that bad, but still extremely inferior compared to their marvellous 1986-onwards stuff.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

What's wrong with either of those?

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

As for the XTC one, I would say, well, it isn't that bad, but they didn't really mature as songwriters until around 79-80. "White Music" contains a couple good singles, but is crowded with way too punk-sounding filler.

The Squeeze album is worse. Producer John Cale apparently didn't like any of their brilliant songs and forced them to write songs while in the studio. Thus, it is a pretty patchy collection of hastily written songs, not at all close to the quality of their following three albums (which were all classics). "Take Me I'm Yours" is still a great song (which was released before the rest of the album was recorded anyway), but the rest of the album was a disaster.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

"Bang Bang" and "Sex Master" together with "Take Me I'm Yours" save it from any deserved derogatory statements.

Of course, standing up for "Bang Bang" and "Sex Master" will probably speak volumes about why I love the first XTC album as well.

― paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

The most horrid thing about that Squeeze album is that tres gauche cover. It actually kept me from throwing it on when I had a copy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 23 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

That is the gayest album cover ever.

― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I specifically _didn't_ mention the first Squeeze album.
It's dispensable, but far from crap;
nerdy, symphonic popsters being forced to play herky-jerky
new wave and doing a fair job of it.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Sabres of Paradise
Beach Boys
Plaid
Queens of the Stone Age
Pavement *ducks*
Daft Punk *woah, quit throwing shit at me*

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 23 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i was going to say "speak and spell" by depeche mode. but it isnt crap! just not as dark as "black celebration"

― kephm, Monday, 24 March 2003 04:23 (twenty-three years ago)

neil young - sorry his first solo is worse than any of his geffen stuff
girls against boys
can - went from cliched psychedelia to funkiest white men alive
brainiac - it has a song or 2
grateful dead

― Boss Pooper, Monday, 24 March 2003 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Totally discgree with the disses of Pulp's It - maybe my brain's been tainted by what they have indeed become, but I think it's at least as strong a debut as, say, If You're Feeling Sinister. The fact that nobody really paid any attention to it when it first came out (except for John Peel apparently), doesn't guarentee its crapness. Humph.

In conclusion: The Boo Radleys.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 24 March 2003 06:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Daft Punk!?
DAFT PUNK?!
that's not even funny. not only is it classic but Discovery only makes sense as its sequel. please strike it from the list, thanks.

obv answer = flaming lips.

― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

was gonna say Pavement myself but that'd be lying. a fun lie, though!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Honestly, I find Homework to be the dullest albums I've ever bought and Discovery the most sonically lush. Homework: few melodies, plodding 4/4 tempos, very little else (around the world is nice though); discovery: loads of nice melodies, danceable choons, loads of nods to other styles, great songs.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i've re-listened to it recently and I gotta say that apart from 2-3 standout tracks 'Yo! bum rush the show' is pretty tedious..

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The s/t Unwound album was recorded first and came out after "Fake Train" and it is pretty crappy.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

"I actually quite like Leisure by Blur, actually. Hell, it's a fuckuva lot better than, say, The Great Escape."

Sacrilege! You're choosing a semi-melodic, instantly forgettable baggy album over THE sharpest set of 90's pop songs! I will defend that album to the grave!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I will defend that album to the grave!

You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Nabokov.

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"Leisure" and "The Great Escape" are both excellent albums. If you are going to use a Blur album as a coaster, then use "13", or wait for their forthcoming, probably crap, R&B-influenced album and use that one as a coaster.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"You go right ahead with that. In fact, I'm going to go home tonight, put on Leisure at a ill-advisedly high volume, open a bottle of beer and use The Great Escape as a coaster."

I would scold you further, but the fact that you have no "great Escape" in your life is punishment enough!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The Great Escape is incredibly over-produced and half of the songs are just lame pieces of pop trash that speak of overconfidence and lazy writing. There are some standout tracks on it: The Universal, Best Days, He Thought Of Cars. That's about it.
Leisure has some depth and speaks of a dedicated band trying to fulfill some ambitions. It may not be that great, but at least it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape. I'd prefer Leisure.
But Blur's masterpieces are without any doubt Modern Life Is Rubbish and Parklife. I can understand if some would vote for the nameless album. But the Great Escape? Naaaahhhh!!!

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

"it is not so forced and shamefully poppy as the Great Escape"

what on earth is shameful about being poppy?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaliyah.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

NWA

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Poppy isn't shameful by definition, but the poppiness of their Great Escape pop songs is a shameful type of poppiness, judging by the standards they set for themselves with their previous albums.

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Great Escape" doesn't differ that much from "Parklife" musically. The only differences being that "The Great Escape" adds an influence from late 70s/early 80s Madness/Specials ska and slightly more synths.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree the Great Escape is not a huge step away from its predecessor. But I can't see Madness/Specials in it. Many songs sound so effortless that maybe you might mistake them for two-tone inspired songs. Mind that I do not think of it as a terrible album, it's just far less good than MLIR and Parklife but I still won't ever think of selling my copy.
The album just disappointed me, I had heard an early live version of Country House which was superb, and then the produced version was so much of a forced pop-song, it didn't do it justice. Thanks to the overproduction about all of the potential emotion in the songs got lost on the album, save for the ones I mentioned earlier.

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But I can't see Madness/Specials in it

Listen to any early to mid-period Madness song, watch its video. Then listen to "Country House" and look at the video for it.

Then...

Listen to the "More Specials" album, particularly "Stereotype". Then, listen to "Fade Away".

Then...

Listen to any Fun Boy Three single
Then, listen to "T.O.P. M.A.N."

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Point understood!

― Tijn, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Public Enemy's Yo Bumrush The Show was pretty near the low end of rap even at the time it came out.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

fourteen years pass...

Surely Prince is the best example of this? The guy would later make records like Chaos and Disorder, which although not an essential Prince LP is still fairly enjoyable and has its highlights. For You provides little indication of the brilliant music that was to follow, and is probably one of his least enjoyable LP's.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 1 July 2017 21:45 (eight years ago)

or the 1975?

― joshywinty (josh), Sunday, 2 July 2017 00:30 (eight years ago)

Hawkwind. The debut album is not good. In Search of Space through Warrior on the Edge of Time, though...

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 2 July 2017 01:12 (eight years ago)

some of these may just be me:

japan
nomeansno
cop shoot cop
bad religion
the waterboys
coil (Transparent)
swans (s/t EP, not Filth obv.)
kraftwerk (sorry, just don't like the traffic cones)

― StanM, Sunday, 2 July 2017 03:59 (eight years ago)

David Sylvian dismisses the first Japan LP and reckons the second album should have been their debut, but I disagree... I think that the first album is great and the second LP not so much.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:51 (eight years ago)

or the 1975?
― joshywinty (josh), Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:30 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah, they don't count because they never went onto greatness and they're crap full stop.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:52 (eight years ago)

The Divine Comedy

― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 2 July 2017 12:17 (eight years ago)

These New Puritans's debut is rubbish, Hidden is interesting but flawed, but they definitely achieved greatness with Field of Reeds

― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 2 July 2017 12:28 (eight years ago)

I will rep for the Prince debut...haven't got the time now... but I WILL rep for it...also the 'Adolescent Sex' is genius...they just can't see it

― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

Motorpsycho is kind of the quintessential example of this, if we're including stuff like Prince that is. Who could have known...

― frogbs, Monday, 3 July 2017 03:37 (eight years ago)

first Afghan Whigs is pretty terrible.

― campreverb, Monday, 3 July 2017 04:21 (eight years ago)

Bob Dylan

― Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Monday, 3 July 2017 22:25 (eight years ago)

I like all of Japan's albums.

― Austin, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 01:14 (eight years ago)

I like 'em all too, but think the second one is the weakest.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:45 (eight years ago)

Since the thread includes some of the greatest artists of contemporary music with a huge catalogue, obviously there will always be someone who loves the more obscure stuff.
It's the distance and evolution between the debut - no matter how good it is - and the peak of the artist in question that seems more interesting to me.
In that regard, Dylan, the Stones or Prince would be perfect examples. Stevie Wonder even more imo : I mean, from "The Jazz Soul Of Little Stevie" to "Songs In The Key Of Life" !

― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:59 (eight years ago)

The first Prince album is underrated if anything.

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

Yeah listening now this is fantastic r&b

Title track opens the album a lot like "Our Prayer/Gee" does Smile by the Beach Boys, like the doo wop/gospel version

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

Judas Priest.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:18 (eight years ago)

arguably : M. Jackson - from Got To Be There to OFW/Thriller.
GTBT is good though so again, it's not so much about the debut being crap but about it being far from the following peak.

― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 14:24 (eight years ago)

I guess there's a few examples of artists on Motown coming into their own when they've been allowed to express themselves creatively.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:52 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

Does anyone stan for Springsteen's debut? I adore the man, hate that debut album, though.

― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:28 (eight years ago)

Carly Rae Jepsen

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:57 (eight years ago)

xpost yep hi I love the debut

spirit of the night, blinded by the light, lost in the flood, hard to be a saint in the city... besides the highlight tracks, just the general folky Bruce, yknow, the Van Morrison/Bob Dylan idol worship & megawordy young & antsy vibe is really enjoyable for me

i'll stan for it forever

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 04:43 (eight years ago)

Same. Lots of good to be found on the first Springsteen album.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 05:21 (eight years ago)

three weeks pass...

^yeah, figured I was in the minority about The Boss. I much prefer his economy-of-words approach to his latter-day lyric writing.

― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Saturday, 23 September 2017 23:01 (eight years ago)

Simple Minds (before becoming crap again)

― palko, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:27 (eight years ago)

warren zevon wanted dead or alive

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:35 (eight years ago)

(UK) Squeeze

― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

Yo la Tengo

― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:36 (eight years ago)

Chairlift, who went crap again

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:52 (eight years ago)

I love the Latin Van Morrison feel of Greetings From Astbury Park. & the amount of words adds to the cadence.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:58 (eight years ago)

a lot of people (not necessarily me) would classify Lana Del Rey here

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

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