I've only got Jeopardy and Lion's Mouth, and I like brief snatches of Jeopardy and Winning and New Dark Age off FTLM (and the Hothouse single, which is the only thing by them I really love). If possible could anyone use words and reasoning to convey to me why I should full-on love them after all?
― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ara, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. From the Lions Mouth2. Jeopardy3. Thunder Up4. Heads and Hearts5. All Fall Down
― Patrick South (Patrick South), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago) link
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― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link
Haha, when I was hearing them I immediately wondered if Scott has posted about these guys yet.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:31 (twenty years ago) link
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― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
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― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:36 (twenty years ago) link
Indeed. Similarly with the Comsat Angels.
though I was REALLY impressed when I was confusing them with the Music and thought they were a new band.
Heh. I like that.
I think they're alright.
Yeah, Andy's sorta ambivalent, really.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:36 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link
A separate take on the 2002 American tour.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:42 (twenty years ago) link
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:58 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link
"Contact The Fact" ROXOR!
(help I've turned into Geeta) ! ! ! !
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
(Ordered mine a while ago, but it hasn't shown up yet.. waaah, I want it now!)
― Muppet Boy, Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:08 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link
haha i've come to like the production. there's much to like about Hugh Jones' work, definitely.
― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 29 February 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Clarke B., Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
I got the dual disc BBC Recordingsdisc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link
The SoundHouse of LoveChameleonsEcho and the Bunnymen
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Sounds like a plan to me!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Am listening to All Fall Down this very second and "Monument" just finished. Dr. C said it a couple of years ago so I don't have to.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.myspace.com/magicbullets
― San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation
In my case, I now realize that I have the exact opposite feeling about the Sound and Adrian B. -- when it comes to figures like, say, Jim Morrison or Ian Curtis, their sound and the post-death cults (for lack of a better word) combine to create a resultant expectation that is often hard to properly escape, especially if like me you encounter them well after the fact.
Admittedly I did the same with the Sound as well, hearing them first well after their breakup but before Adrian died, but like, say, Billy Mackenzie and the Associates, when I hear the Sound I hear life, I hear exultance for lack of a better word. For all the most intense moments that Adrian can create with his words and singing, there is a grace and soaring resonance that causes me to rise, not sink. The comparisons with U2 and Bono don't work for me because there is something here that is strong but not overbearing, a true warmth -- and the more I think about so many of the band's contemporaries, the more that seems to be near unique, that the lighter singing voice (if only by degrees in some cases) compared to others is what gives the Sound its unique feel still for me.
I hear the Sound and I hear an embrace, not hectoring or rabble-rousing. That to me is a true gift.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
That for me is spot on, and nicely put to boot.
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, that sort of warmth you talk about is really evident on "Fatal Flaw" - that sort of falling-into-place moment when it reaches the motif that repeats to the end is one of my favourite drawn-out repetitive outros of ooh, ever.
― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
You'd have hoped that he'd weathered the storm, but by all accounts he got more ill as time went on.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:51 (eighteen years ago) link
"It's 1976 and Tim and his pal Adrian Borland (who at the time was in a punk band called 'The Outsiders' and later on fronted a band called 'The Sound') and an amazing rock drummer called Bruce Bizland (no one knows what happened to him) make a band and do about two gigs then stop...they sounded a bit like the rocky instrumental bits on that David Bowie album 'The Man Who Sold The World' didn't they. They never gave their band a name either."
I've often meant to investigate The Sound but never got round to it. Maybe sometime I will.
― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link
What a great song... I wish he had sung all screamy like that more. Great great band.
they were v.good live - I must have seen them 10 times or soAhhhh! $*#@&!!!
― giantBehemoth (makelove), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.renascent.co.uk/
...then go down to the albums section. Please to note the *FIVE* live Sound albums from 1981 to 1985 now available -- they're all taken from Dutch radio broadcasts, and all are midpriced at that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fsck Washing Ong's Hat (Chris Barrus), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ricki Belloni (Pangolino 3), Thursday, 13 July 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link
That thread on Crawling Chaos reminded me of these guys; I saw that same OGWT clip linked above on one of those late night 'Whistle Test Years' programmes a few years ago, and they blew me away. But I never got around to picking up the Renascent reissues, and they're out of print now as the licence expired. Supposely Warner Bros is supposed to be re-releasing them, but when? Anyone heard anything?
― MacDara, Sunday, 20 May 2007 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Listening to All Fall Down today and am convinced that it was way ahead of it's time - while simultaneously being a spiritual successor (however you wish to define that) to Scary Monsters
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link
classic
a. party of the mind is an amazing song b. total recall is one of the best-ever semi-bitter post-breakup songs c. some of adrian borland's solo stuff is heart-breaking
― dell, Friday, 1 August 2008 00:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Too little discussion about this amazing band that seems destined to remain lost in time. Their catalog was out of print for years, back thanks to Renascent and now back out of print and going for stupid money on Amazon (except the live albums, which is better than nothing). Looks like their last album, "Thunder Up" is on eMusic. Wasn't Warner supposed to reissue their first 3 albums?
Anyway, The Sound surely kept me sane when I was young - such passionate music, and lyrics that kept saying "Keep going!" "Winning" still revs my engine. Any other appreciators of the sadly missed Adrian Borland?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Classic because I made a killing on Lion's Mouth; wasn't fussed by the music, sadly. Still, the profit meant I could buy more records.
― brain thoughts (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
love of all their record to death
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I have the renascent reissues of Jeopardy and FTLM. I like them. They do the Joy Division-y impending doom thing well but with an optimistic twist (Winning especially). On one of the live bonus tracks, to gee up the crowd, he introduces it by saying something like, "c'mon! let's get indigestion!". That's definitely classic.
Are the renascent reissues valuable?
― cajunsunday, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
people are overcharging for them secondhand, yes
― mintox plus oral (electricsound), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
SECOND LAYER!
― guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link
had all of these on record
sold them for $$$
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, listening to some minimal synth today thinking, "This is good but Second Layer one one of the best and creepiest". Out Joy Divisioned Joy Division at times.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
indeed, and holy smokes, i just saw that cherry red actually reissued "world of rubber" last year whoaowowo
― guammls (QE II), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
love the tension/release in "i can't escape myself"
really jarring
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm happy whenever I see this thread revived.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link
back thanks to Renascent and now back out of print and going for stupid money on Amazon
Yes, I'm still searching for a few of these. Sadly out of print again. I like everything I have so far, though.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Holding on to my copies for dear life.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I will steal them when your back is turned.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Tsk
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Does anyone else have the BBC Sessions album? The version of Hothouse on there is incredible, the last 90 seconds has to be one of my favorite bits of music ever.
I think Heads & Hearts might be my favorite album overall but they have so many great tracks. Heartland, Total Recall, Party Of My Mind, Skeletons, Winning and Missiles are all classics. It's a shame there isn't a best of available.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
It'd be handy as a primer.
Looks like their last album, "Thunder Up" is on eMusic.
The one I still don't have!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link
"Thunder Up" is also on spotify. I've been meaning to buy more Sound albums for ages, and on the basis of the last album, I need to try harder to investigate further.
― Peteski, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
*ahem* http://rocketsciencerecords.blogspot.com/2009/01/sound-all-fall-down-1982.html
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link
The third comment is the winner.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Does anyone else have the BBC Sessions album?
Oh yes, it is glorious.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Like I said upthread:
Revive!I got the dual disc BBC Recordings disc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:12 PM (5 years ago)
I got the dual disc BBC Recordings disc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:12 PM (5 years ago)
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I remember reading an interview with Interpol not long after their first album came out, and I was shocked and dismayed that they insisted they had never even heard of, let alone heard The Sound, Comsat Angels, and possibly even the Chameleons. I wondered if they were lying, as I swear I could hear bits that could have been directly lifted from those albums.
It was a happy, happy day when I got all those Renascent promos in the mail.
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/sound.htm
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 January 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I was shocked and dismayed that they insisted they had never even heard of, let alone heard The Sound, Comsat Angels, and possibly even the Chameleons
Hahaha. What a poor bunch of liars.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahaha. What a poor bunch of liars musicians.
Fixed.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
interpol drummer is quite good
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
The worst thing about them is their lyrics. Other than that, I like 'em fine, though I was really surprised when they topped P4k's 2002 Poll. I still think that's crazy. It just kills me to see so many rabid Interpol fans completely unaware of the awesomeness that is The Sound (and Comsats n Chameleons).
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Are there rabid Interpol fans anymore?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
They sure acted rabid when I made fun of their hilarious lyrics!
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
They just seem to have gone the Girls Against Boys route -- they signed to a major label and then apparently disappeared with a suddenness that rivals the Witness Protection Program.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
That one heartthrob singer dude put out a solo album a year or two ago under some funky pseudoname, didn't he?
Did anyone actually buy it?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Last year. Friend of mine worked on it, says he was a nice guy.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Sometimes nice people do not make nice music for ears (see: tons of indie-pop bands).
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
dude was never a heartthrob!
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven't listened tp Thunder Up in a long time - tremendously great for an album that even Sound fans forget about.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 February 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I just listened to that today and thought the same thing. Every one of their albums feels like the best thing they've ever done, including the live one. I'm not sure I can even rank them. God, the conviction of Adrian's lyrics, the brilliant guitar work, the mood-setting (and unsettling) synths... I can't put into words how much this music has meant to me.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Just listened to Propaganda the other day after a long period away from The Sound. Great record - funny how lots of it was discarded before Jepoardy. I like the stripped down sound better without the keyboard wash in retrospect.
Ranking: Propaganda>Jeopardy>All Fall Down>Lion's Mouth>BBC>Hothouse live>Thunder Up>>>>>Heads and Heart>>>>Shock Of Daylight.
I must get out my vinyl of Jeopardy/AFD/Lion/Hothouse some day soon!
― Dr.C, Thursday, 11 February 2010 11:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Sadface at the general lack of enthusiasm for Shock of Daylight, I still love that thing. 'Golden Soldiers' and 'Longest Days' are awesome songs!
― We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 11 February 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey, there's been lots of great stuff uploaded to YouTube since I last looked...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDRLBWQ7ks
― We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 11 February 2010 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
...dries eyes, clears throat...
― We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 11 February 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdczCmH9oGg
Wow!
― Dr.C, Thursday, 11 February 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, the guitar break on that is savage!
― We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 11 February 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Propaganda>Jeopardy>All Fall Down>Lion's Mouth>BBC>Hothouse live>Thunder Up>>>>>Heads and Heart>>>>Shock Of Daylight.
Ok, so you clearly prefer the punkier stuff, which I agree is fantastic. But "Heads And Hearts" and "Shock Of Daylight" are INSANELY great as well. "Counting The Days" is a love song to end all love songs, "One Thousand Reasons" has this ambiance and texture unlike anything else, "Winter" will leave you as cold as the title, "World As It Is" has this crazy rhythm section - and of course Adrian's lyrics were in top form at this point:"Too much daylight leads to a nightlife and the fear of another day / That's going to last four or five years""Always kept caution close at hand / Never threw it to the wind""Opposites attracting / With the magnets in their eyes""I've arrived at the point somewhere in between / The person that I wanted to be and the person I've been"
His music just connects someplace deep within me, always has and I expect it always will, despite life's changing circumstances, The Sound helped me take small comfort in knowing someone else felt the same - and their undercurrent of hope has always buoyed my spirits.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 11 February 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost - damn, that vid... Adrian's face, he's clearly singing words that are deeply personal and still applicable to himself. "Comfort and complacency, they hurt me!" Yeah, I know how that feels.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 11 February 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost Yes, I do. They were always great, but I felt they mellowed a bit too much for me later on. I prefer the later stuff in live form really. I have an Outsiders album that is as stunning as Propaganda. If ONLY someone would release the full Outsiders work!
― Dr.C, Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Been thinking about things that make me upset with music . . .
Why the fuck didn't someone (not on ILM, I know you guys have sense but I just joined) but y'know a good friend, a watchful parent, SOMEBODY!, why did no one ever have the common decency to alert me to The Sound before all their LP's became so horribly impossible to get at a reasonable price?
― AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, a guardian musical angel would be a nice thing to have. But even if you're late to the game, in this modern world there are folks who can hook you up if the system fails you.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I hadn't listened to In The Hothouse in a long time (usually go to the furious BBC Sessions) and had forgotten what a tremendous unstoppably powerful slow burn it is. "Sense Of Purpose -> Missiles" 1-2 TKO
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
Somebody MUST reissue the whole of the Outsiders work. Renescent? Dan Selzer?
― Dr.C, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 10:41 (twelve years ago) link
YES. And soon.
― the morals of a tomcat and the manners of a wolf (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 11:51 (twelve years ago) link
Massively, massively amazing band. I discovered them about ten years ago and still play them regularly. I was recently fortunate enough to stumble upon beautiful-condition original pressings of From the Lion's Mouth, All Fall Down, and Heads and Hearts, all at the same place.
― Clarke B., Wednesday, 25 May 2011 13:14 (twelve years ago) link
Somebody MUST reissue the whole of the Outsiders work. Renescent?
Renascent is no longer active, is it?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, according to their site, House Of Love and Woodentops were the last reissues they did in 2007. Bummer.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
There's also this:
http://www.occultation.co.uk
I know them because they're doing the Distractions CD that was one of the first reissues I tried to do. They have Wild Swans, so maybe they're somehow related to Renescent
I currently have my hands full with 6 LP/Digital releases, starting with Disco Zombies and Happy Refugees.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Oh look, the first two albums are finally getting another reissue.
I wonder if there's any sound improvement over the Renascent reissues?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 8 January 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
Did you think there was anything wrong with the Renascent remasters?
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 8 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's excellent news, for some reason i missed the renascent ones
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 8 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
xp Not really, though word is they were remastered from vinyl and if the original masters were found it might be an improvement.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 8 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Dr. C's wish has been fulfilled - the two Outsiders albums have been reissued on CD by Cherry Red!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
They included the One to Infinity EP, too, thank god!
― shabba lambides (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
Classic, of course! One can't help but listen to a song like, for example, 'Skeletons' and marvel at the fact that this band didn't become huge.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Saturday, 1 December 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
these guys are great. totally killed jeopardy and lion's mouth in college, think it's been enough time to rediscover
― Spectrum, Sunday, 2 December 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
There's nothing more for me to say than what I've already posted in this thread. Adrian's body of work needs an anthology, covering all his main avenues and side streets, which just might reintroduce him to the world.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 2 December 2012 04:38 (eleven years ago) link
I hadn't realised that 'Thunder Up' was on eMusic until I saw the mention up thread last night, hearing it for the first time now.
"Total Recall" is incredible.
― michaellambert, Sunday, 2 December 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIaWNezydg
^ Love this take of Winning, they were on fire here.
― a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Sunday, 20 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
That from Utrecht, 1982, No Nukes festival, one of the 5 live albums released by Renascent. Fantastic stuff.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 01:58 (eleven years ago) link
Aw man, that's a great rendition. Just seen what the original poster wrote about it here:
― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:08 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and I totally agree. Knowing that Borland would commit suicide in the most horrific way turns the way I feel about this song completely on its head. On its surface, it's a song about getting on top of a battle with depression and bad circumstances, but after knowing that Adrian killed himself and HOW he killed himself, the song feels so much more desperate. Like he wants to be "winning", rather than he is "winning". The song doesn't console me and make me feel like I can overcome obstacles in life; on the contrary, it makes me feel incredibly sad. The guy who wanted to win, more than anything in the fucking universe, sadly didn't. It's upsetting.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
That's one perspective, agreed. And every April I shed a tear for the poor bastard whose music will live with me forever.
BUT... For a time, he WAS winning his personal battles, and in some places he was winning the hearts and minds of fans.
The fact that his end was so dark doesn't diminish the power of the song, and it still inspires me.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
I think of the Sound when I listen to Soror Dolorosa.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
Lovely news here -- a new Sound box set covering the first few years. Mostly replicating the various Renascent reissues on first blush but even so, nice to see this happening:
http://www.redsunrecords.com/the-sound-boxset-2014-reissue
DISC ONE - JEOPARDYI Can’t Escape MyselfHeartlandHour Of NeedWords Fail MeMissilesHeydayJeopardyNight Versus DayResistanceUnwritten LawDesirePhysical World (Physical World EP)Brute Force (B-Side Of ‘Heyday’ Single)Heartland (Live Instinct EP)Brute Force (Live Instinct EP)Jeopardy (Live Instinct EP)Coldbeat (Live Instinct EP)Heartland (BBC Session October 1980)Unwritten Law (BBC Session October 1980)Jeopardy (BBC Session October 1980)I Can’t Escape Myself (BBC Session October 1980)DISC TWO - FROM THE LION’S MOUTHWinningSense Of PurposeContact The FactSkeletonsJudgementFatal FlawPossessionThe FireSilent AirNew Dark AgePoint Of No Return (Single B-side)Hot House (Single B-side)Coldbeat (Single B-side)New Dark Age (Live)Fatal Flaw (BBC Session November 1981)Skeletons (BBC Session November 1981)Hothouse (BBC Session November 1981)New Dark Age (BBC Session November 1981)DISC THREE - ALL FALL DOWNAll Fall DownParty Of The MindMonumentIn SuspenseWhere The Love IsSong And DanceCalling The New TuneRed PaintGlass And SmokeWe Could Go FarThe One And A Half Minute Song (All Fall Down Sessions)Sorry (All Fall Down Sessions)As Feeling Dies (All Fall Down Sessions)We Could Go Far (unreleased original version)Plenty (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)‘Neath Dancing Waves (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)Amber (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)Scapegoat In A Country Churchyard (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)DISC FOUR - BBC LIVE IN CONCERTOriginally broadcast 21st November 1981BBC Intro - Pete DrummondUnwritten LawSkeletonsFatal FlawWinningSense Of PurposeHeartlandNew Dark AgeOriginally broadcast 15th June 1985BBC Intro - Pete Drummond + Intro musicGolden SoldiersUnder YouTotal RecallBurning Part Of MeWhirlpoolMissiles* releasedate 14th April 2014
I Can’t Escape MyselfHeartlandHour Of NeedWords Fail MeMissilesHeydayJeopardyNight Versus DayResistanceUnwritten LawDesirePhysical World (Physical World EP)Brute Force (B-Side Of ‘Heyday’ Single)Heartland (Live Instinct EP)Brute Force (Live Instinct EP)Jeopardy (Live Instinct EP)Coldbeat (Live Instinct EP)Heartland (BBC Session October 1980)Unwritten Law (BBC Session October 1980)Jeopardy (BBC Session October 1980)I Can’t Escape Myself (BBC Session October 1980)DISC TWO - FROM THE LION’S MOUTH
WinningSense Of PurposeContact The FactSkeletonsJudgementFatal FlawPossessionThe FireSilent AirNew Dark AgePoint Of No Return (Single B-side)Hot House (Single B-side)Coldbeat (Single B-side)New Dark Age (Live)Fatal Flaw (BBC Session November 1981)Skeletons (BBC Session November 1981)Hothouse (BBC Session November 1981)New Dark Age (BBC Session November 1981)
DISC THREE - ALL FALL DOWN
All Fall DownParty Of The MindMonumentIn SuspenseWhere The Love IsSong And DanceCalling The New TuneRed PaintGlass And SmokeWe Could Go FarThe One And A Half Minute Song (All Fall Down Sessions)Sorry (All Fall Down Sessions)As Feeling Dies (All Fall Down Sessions)We Could Go Far (unreleased original version)Plenty (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)‘Neath Dancing Waves (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)Amber (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)Scapegoat In A Country Churchyard (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)
DISC FOUR - BBC LIVE IN CONCERT
Originally broadcast 21st November 1981BBC Intro - Pete DrummondUnwritten LawSkeletonsFatal FlawWinningSense Of PurposeHeartlandNew Dark AgeOriginally broadcast 15th June 1985BBC Intro - Pete Drummond + Intro musicGolden SoldiersUnder YouTotal RecallBurning Part Of MeWhirlpoolMissiles* releasedate 14th April 2014
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
That's a lot of repeated stuff, but at least a disc's worth of stuff I don't have/never heard.
― Austin, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
My copy arrived today, sounds great on first listen, will A/B with Renascent copies.
Good interview with Bi Marshall here:http://awww.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/MagSitePages/Article.aspx?id=7387
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
http://blog.anymeeting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/charlie-sheen-winning.png
The Sound - Winninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaN5aUbSLUmy favorite The Sound song, followed by 2.Unwritten Law 3.I Can't Escape Myself 4.Missiles (the Jeopardy version of all three songs.) http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Jeopardy/4042587
― TabForaCause.com, Thursday, 8 May 2014 06:35 (nine years ago) link
The new box definitely adds something to the mix, more depth, not as flat as the Renascent CDs. And no extra bass or anything like that.
I still think the "All Fall Down" outtakes are at the wrong speed despite claims that's what Adrian intended.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 10 May 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
Still waiting for mine. Where are you in the world, Gerald?
Every review that I've seen of the new set goes out of its way to mention how much of an improvement the mastering is over the Renascent editions (which I thought were not bad by any means).
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 10 May 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
I'm in Boston, ordered from AmazonUK and it took just over a week.
I must say, I hadn't listened to the studio versions in a few years as the live takes are generally much fiercer.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 11 May 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link
Got mine today!
Couldn't stand it, so I skipped straight to All Fall Down. I noticed right away what you mean with "more depth." 'Glass and Smoke' actually has dynamics now!
Thought the Renascent editions would be hard to top, but somehow they did it.
― austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:00 (nine years ago) link
Okay, next and presumably last Sound box set now up for preorder:
http://www.redsunrecords.com/the-sound-shock-of-daylight-heads-hearts-in-the-hothouse-thunder-up-propaganda-5-cd-set
DISC ONE - Shock Of DaylightGolden SoldiersLongest DaysCounting The DaysWinterNew Way Of LifeDreams Then PlansBONUS - Restless Songs and Golden Soldiers - The Lost Demo RecordingsGolden Soldiers (demo)A New Way Of Life (demo)Counting The Days (demo)Mining For Heart (demo)Oiled (demo)Steel Your Air (demo)Fall Of Europe (demo)Love Is Not A Ghost (demo)Blood And Poison (demo)Whirlpool (demo)DISC TWO - Heads And HeartsWhirpoolTotal RecallUnder YouBurning Part Of MeLove Is Not A GhostWildest DreamsOne Thousand ReasonsRestless TimeMining For HeartWorld As It IsTemperature DropBONUS - B-Sides & RareBlood And PoisonSteel Your AirOiledShimmerDISC THREE - In The Hot House (Live)WinningUnder YouTotal RecallSkeletonsProve Me WrongWildest DreamsBurning Part Of MeHeartlandHothouseJudgementCounting The DaysRed PaintSilent AirSense Of PurposeMissilesDISC FOUR - Thunder Up Acceleration GroupHand Of LoveBarria AltaKineticIron YearsProve Me WrongShot Up And Shut DownWeb Of Wicked WaysI Give You PainHand Of LoveYou've Got A WayBONUS - B-SidesIron Years (Remix)I Give You Pain (Live)Fall Of EuropeSuch A Difference To MeDISC FIVE - PropagandaNo SalvationDeep BreathCost Of LivingQuarter Past TwoNight Vs. DayPhysical WorldStatikMusic BusinessPropagandaWords Fail MeOne More EscapeMissiles
Golden SoldiersLongest DaysCounting The DaysWinterNew Way Of LifeDreams Then PlansBONUS - Restless Songs and Golden Soldiers - The Lost Demo RecordingsGolden Soldiers (demo)A New Way Of Life (demo)Counting The Days (demo)Mining For Heart (demo)Oiled (demo)Steel Your Air (demo)Fall Of Europe (demo)Love Is Not A Ghost (demo)Blood And Poison (demo)Whirlpool (demo)DISC TWO - Heads And Hearts
WhirpoolTotal RecallUnder YouBurning Part Of MeLove Is Not A GhostWildest DreamsOne Thousand ReasonsRestless TimeMining For HeartWorld As It IsTemperature DropBONUS - B-Sides & RareBlood And PoisonSteel Your AirOiledShimmerDISC THREE - In The Hot House (Live)
WinningUnder YouTotal RecallSkeletonsProve Me WrongWildest DreamsBurning Part Of MeHeartlandHothouseJudgementCounting The DaysRed PaintSilent AirSense Of PurposeMissilesDISC FOUR - Thunder Up
Acceleration GroupHand Of LoveBarria AltaKineticIron YearsProve Me WrongShot Up And Shut DownWeb Of Wicked WaysI Give You PainHand Of LoveYou've Got A WayBONUS - B-SidesIron Years (Remix)I Give You Pain (Live)Fall Of EuropeSuch A Difference To MeDISC FIVE - Propaganda
No SalvationDeep BreathCost Of LivingQuarter Past TwoNight Vs. DayPhysical WorldStatikMusic BusinessPropagandaWords Fail MeOne More EscapeMissiles
Most interested in those _Shock of Daylight_ era demos.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 November 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
I love Shock of Daylight, kind of for sentimental reasons (first record of theirs I bought), but mostly cos that first side is knockout stuff imo. That sublime guitar part in Longest Days just melts me. Have heard it said that Terry Bickers was a big fan of Borland, and really it's not that far from Longest Days to Love In A Car - both borne out of lovely tremulous guitar lines; songs that make me catch my breath, not wanting the spell to be broken.
Apart from that and the live album, I don't actually know any of the other stuff on that box. Any good?
― john wahey (NickB), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link
Just in case anyone doesn't know it already...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FhikwpRR58
― john wahey (NickB), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Heads and Hearts and Thunder Up both have a lot of good songs on them -- I'm particularly fond of the former's "Wildest Dreams" -- and Propaganda is a nice early demos collection just before he started up the Sound as such.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
The second box set arrived today. Digging into the extra stuff - the demos are interesting but I'm often amazed at how a decent sounding demo can go on to become an incredible finished song.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 16 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Just became aware of, and ordered, the second box set. Fantastic.
And early talk of a possible third set: http://www.brittleheaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29
― austinato (Austin), Monday, 16 March 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
A quick A/B comparison of the new box vs the Renascent releases: not a big difference in sound quality, the box sounds like it's just a touch brighter and Adrian's vocals are clearer, especially on "In The Hothouse". A nice improvement overall but not as noticeable as with the first box.
I especially like having a proper version of "Oiled", for which I previously had a vinyl rip. What a fantastic song!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
Oh, but they edited out some of the intro/outro stage chatter from "Hothouse". I don't know how I feel about that as I'm so used to it being there.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
And while I'm being pedantic, the live version of "I Give You Pain" sounds like it's from a different show than the one on the 12".
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
Gonna get the new sets as soon as my tax refund comes in, should fill in the gaps in my Renascent discs / general knowledge of The Sound nicely. Til then, I second Ned's honorable mention, 12 years ago, of Borland's solo stuff, I particularly like "Long Dark Train" from the same 1996 album. And I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that no one's mentioned the song "AD RE: IAN," the 2013 tribute to Borland and another guy whose name I'm sure you can guess, from Slumberland gloomies Wax Idols. I felt a nice jolt when I heard of that song, as The Sound seem to be still so unrecognized 30 years after "Heads and Hearts" produced no hits. I'm not well-versed in this band's history, but I wonder if they purposefully avoided choosing "Total Recall" and "Love is Not a Ghost" as singles to escape the certain mega-fame that would have entailed.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 20 March 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
Got the box in the mail yesterday and have made my way through a good chunk of it.
Thunder Up is the most dramatically improved, as it never received a remaster job.
Really nice to have all these b-sides as well.
Another winner of a set.
― austinato (Austin), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:14 (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:30 (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Keep on thinking about "Winning" and "New Dark Age" right now. Want to believe in the first song more.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 November 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link
Oh, it's a "New Dark Age" alright, and we'll "All Fall Down" and the "Heartland" will suffer during these "Iron Years". We'll see some "Brute Force" in the "Hothouse" while we're "Counting The Days". But there will be "Resistance" searching for that "Fatal Flaw" followed by "Dreams Then Plans". Once we find our "Sense Of Purpose", we'll reach out with the "Hand Of Love" and start "Winning".
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 10 November 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH97tb4-6Uw
Been thinking a lot about this version of 'Silent Air' since the news of Anthony Bourdain hit yesterday.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
wow that's an amazing song + performance!
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
Thanks for the revive - that 5CD set is so great.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 10 June 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
Finally getting around to the Outsiders with Cherry Red's predictably excellent CD reissue of Calling On Youth.
First impression, for one of the supposedly "important early independent punk" albums, it's not actually very punk, is it? I mean, the guitar playing is way too good to actually be punk, and side two of the album is just kind of slow and quiet for the most part. Adrian's obviously really young and overly ambitious here, but he's obviously pretty charismatic, even at this very early point. Overall though, pleasantly surprised.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:06 (five years ago) link
Taking in Close Up this evening and, I have to say, it's pretty much an all around improvement over Calling On Youth. Production, songs, technicality. . . just better on all fronts. Definitely segues nicely into the Propaganda era (which subsequently segues perfectly into Jeopardy).
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 03:57 (five years ago) link
https://austintayeshus.blogspot.com/2018/12/what-are-spectral-projections.html
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/master/2523988-The-Sound-Will-And-Testament-Starlight
Uhm?
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 24 April 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
oh wow! a live album of their later material i guess
look like it's all up on yt:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mbq2cGjX8M
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 24 April 2022 21:32 (one year ago) link
Yep, on Spotify too.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 24 April 2022 22:53 (one year ago) link
this incoming second layer comp popped up on bandcamp today:
https://daily.bandcamp.com/album-of-the-day/second-layer-courts-or-wars-review
hadn't actually heard 'courts of wars' before... fuuck, amazing song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_01T9uFgew
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
'or' not 'of' obv
yeah I first heard second layer through that song on a Messthetics comp. So cool!!
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:40 (one year ago) link
“that song” - courts or wars
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:41 (one year ago) link
(wide eyes emoji)
i'll be back in later with thoughts.
― kiss me while the world decays (Austin), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:47 (one year ago) link
Second Layer is arguably more Joy Division THAN Joy Division. Fantastic, singular work - wonderfully dark and deep.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:03 (one year ago) link