Nomeansno : C/D/S/D

there are four tracks that i think are completely worthwhile, and since having dug some of tha older releases, by comparison if not better in the form of complete mastery over their domain.

On a track like 'hello/goodbye' there's just this immediate comfort in delivery mingled with, 'i clearly don't give a fuck, and mind you i haven't given a fuck for i don't know how many fuckin years. ummm fuck!' but i like the humour, the impersonal feel and i can even easily stand the religious references.

'the call' has plenty of pained neurosis dragging its dirty claws over unwarshed string arrangements. a nice diddy to howl at a starving moon with.

'beat on the brat' good enough.

the 'bitches brew' cover is a nice aural treat from a genre that i woulda never thought to cover it by a band that yawningly unfurles its arms into the strangest beds and rubs them nicely warm.

no one has suited my purposes fine -let me imagine the punk-metal possibilities and made me rage at how bloody effortless it all seems to them. fuck' em!

donut bitch:
maybe you've had your fill of em' and its time to move on. nuf's enough and all that... although i do feel they've pushed themselves to the next not entirely logical (in the linear sense) but plausible step.

its just too bad that i never got into em' ten years ago when i saw all those punk skater kids in Regina wearing nomeansno t-shirts. i probably didn't give those kids enough credit -i thought they were devoid of any form of sentience- turns out they may have been some reasonably enlightened individuals musically/politically but i'll never know.....(or do I?)

if you're more amenable to (slightly) experimental, fucked up post-hardcore, _why do they call me mr. happy_ is great - some amazing bass work and longer, more musically adventurous songs.

also, "mr. right and mr. wrong" is a kind of nice overview of their career via unreleased songs ranging from the 70s to the late 80s (i think), including a hanson bros tune.

would be happy to burn any of these for you.

Also relistened to Sex Mad, and fuck me if "Self Pity" pretty much didn't lay out the groundwork for the more epic rhythm section and guitar screeching and noise of Drive Like Jehu. (of course, the lyrics and voice are totally different, but I'm just talking music here.. as a three piece, that's purty impressive)

Minor autobiographical note: I loaded the Discman with "Wrong" to listen to at work on 9/11, and have never listened to the eerie "The Tower" the same way since. (Lyrics about leaping from burning buildings, etc.)

The only thing in print now is that greatest hits/popularity CD and the In The Fishtank one.. and that's it. For everything else, you either have to browse through the right used bins at the right record stores for CD or vinyl. Not that Nomeansno stuff is criminally difficult to find used, but it is getting harder and harder every year. It would be sad if they went the way of the Volcano Suns, for example.. a criminally overlooked band that will probably never get reissues ever again.

Now, I knew the Wrights were still around, but I didn't know Rob played solo regularly. Is this in Victoria and Nanaimo, mostly, or does he make it out to Vancouver as well?

http://www.no-means-no.de/

Later albums verge on prog-punk, if that makes any sense. Features perhaps the most underrated "punk" bass-player ever, by the way...

I'm all geeked out...what a dork I am.

Damn, if there was some way I could get people from every town they hit to do that, it would be, uhhh, hrm, stroking my ego, I guess. What a lame-o I am.

You'd RULE if you did it though!

Anyhoo, on the band then:
Total classic for me, one of the few bands I got into during my "punk phase" as a teenager that I still have a great time listening to, and whose releases I keep picking up.

I'm not too hot on the earliest stuff, but just about everything from the late-80s and on is searchable, IMO.
I've been up and down on favorites, but at the moment I'd probably just have to agree with the general consensus: "Wrong"!
The later albums mix it up with some of the quick punky numbers and some of the drawn out story telling ones, an dI find that in most cases, it's the latter that I'm drawn the most to, despite not being much interested in lyrics.

Yeah, it's almost 5am.

It changed my life. What a double bill.

Wrong is an absolute must have record.

They were truly incredible/inspiring last night, such a great show, easily one of the best things I have seen in a long time.

The Worldhood Of The World (As Such) may very well be their best album! "Humans", "Lost", "Wiggly Worm" (surprisingly an original song, not a Devo cover), "Tuck It Away", "State Of Grace/The Jungle"... dear god! I think i initially shunned this record because it was not as bass heavy as the previous records.. the Hanson Brothers kinda seaped into the sound at the time, which I somehow (what a dumbass I was) was turned off by. Revisiting.. holy shit. I also remember "Lost" as this song called "I Want It All" from this strange bootleg 7" comp called Pop Bus featuring Gray Matter, L7, and Jello Biafra from MANY years before. The song is co-credited to Andy Kerr, so I guess that makes sense.

The Would We Be Alive EP is odd... the title track is the Residents song covered.. good job. "Rise" sounds like the Wrights' omen to Melvins... sort of. The alt. version of "Big Dick" sounds like they want to be Pigbag or Konk! Only percussion and vocals, and of all kinds! The sole reason to get this release, if any.

The Generic Shame EP is alright.. "Sex Is Philosophy" gets a bit too nu-metal/Alice In Chains sounding, thankfully with escapes from that sound often. "No Big Surprise" is a multi-part thing with a great drum solo in the middle... "I Get Up In The Morning" is a NoMeansSkank, most reminiscent of their earliest stuff. alright.

I need to get No One.

fyi::

Sun Dec. 11 Nomeansno, Carpenter The Boot Pub,whistler,bc 9pm $5

Is this a one-off? Any Vancouver or Victoria show?

And and and and and I've never been to Whistler before!

I think a plan is in order. *grinning hard*

My concern is.. could weather affect one's ability to get from Vancouver to Whistler? Are there public transport options available? I can't imagine there aren't.

Nov.
wed. 30 NELSON
Dec.
Thu. 01 FERNIE, BC
Fri. 02 EDMONTON
Sat. 03 CALGARY
Sun. 04 BANFF
Mon. 05 Jasper - n/c
Thur. 08 LANGLEY, BC
Fri. 09 VICTORIA,
SAT. 10 TOFINO
Sun. 11 WHISTLER

:) :) :) :) :)

Now i just need to call Ditch Records and get the 411 on where the Victoria show is.

There was also a rumor (and I stress rumor) that the next album will be 50 one-minute songs... or was that 51 minute songs? Anyway.. there's a new album in the works, and these will be debuted at these shows.

Some changes to the NoMeansNo dates.. none of which affect you but do affect me. The Victoria date on the 9th has been postponed, and now they're playing Tofino on the 9th, and Cumberland on the 10th, neither of which I can get to without having to take the following Monday off.. and while Tofino is, from what I hear, gorgeous, I'd rather go there in the context of relaxing, as opposed to chasing down a band to see live.

If I was able to make it to Vancouver by the afternoon at the latest on the 8th, would it possible to get a ride to the Langley show?

If you don't want to, by all means, it's no problem. I'm just trying to plan things out here. Why do my favorite bands mess with my life like this by playing out of the way places? it's like that all-Wisconsin tour that Shellac did.

...as of right now i doubt i will be able to attend due to work commitments. if anything changes i will let you know as giving you a ride there/back would have been no problem.

I'd imagine Translink has bus service from Vancouver to Langley. Also, it's no problem if I have to take a cab back. It will be much cheaper than the entire Tofino plan would have been (*if* that's happening... talking to the Tofino Legion booker, he wasn't sure what the deal was.)

I'll be in Vancouver until the afternoon of the 10th though, so there is Fri. Dec 9th.. Don't know what's happening that day, but if you're up for a FAP, I'm for it. I should go sexually harrass contact Shmuel and LeCoq.

(I'm also in town for another Thurs-Sat deal, Nov 24-26, ..seeing Super Furry Animals/Caribou at Dick's on Dicks on U.S. T-day i.e. my escape thereof.)

I could see the vox being sorta grating to some people, but if you just lay back and accept it, this is fucking amazing music.

They mainly did new songs.. the new ones are the best ones I've heard in a decade.. back to 3-4 minute ones.. they're like the best elements of Worldhood, No One, and My Game combined.. new album to be recorded in Feb., slated release of album in June.. to be release on an Ipecac related record label. Can't wait!

"When I say No means ya'll say NO"

good news about them recording again too.

Good: They will be playing the northwest soon.. a bunch of shows in Washington State starting with Seattle on April 1st. They will also be playing more U.S./Canadian dates include those in the east part of North America next September.

Bad: I will be on a plane missing April 1st while I fly to Australia and New Zealand the day before they play that Seattle show.

Maybe: Hopefully they'll decide to do a home show right before.. either in Vancouver or Victoria.. which would be great for both of us!

OMG!

Okay, I've been liking this NOMEANSNO disc from the start..but now I'm starting to REALLY like it! Even the vox that I thought were kinda annoying at first are now starting to resonate w/me in some wierd way.....I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that these guys are some sort of Zappa/Ween thing for people that like Sweep the Leg Johnny and Shellac....I'm doomed! (in a good way!)

hahahahaha, yes, you're doomed. Just buy all their records now.

they also list the hanson bros. there on april 29th

But I'll be back in time to catch the Hanson Brothers.. during the EMP Pop Conference even!!

Three BC shows in February:
2/16 @ Queens - Nanaimo BC
2/17 @ Sugar - Victoria BC
2/18 @ hall show (all ages) - Chilliwack BC

and now MySpace Is Wrong-ed

29th June Vancouver Commodore (CD release party with Italian friends ZU) Canada
30th June Tofino The Legion (with ZU) Canada
1st July Lund The gazebo! Outdoor (with Zu) Canada
2nd July Denman Island Town Hall [overnight camping required]

It would be great to do a Blowfly / NMN gig sometime and totally annoy both groups of fans.

SMALL PARTS
REMOVAL
THE SHITTYS

"SMALL PARTS" is, well, take a wild guess.

It's a benefit show for Removal so they can be able to tour Europe again... (long story)

I'll be in Vancouver this weekend for the show.

Go to http://www.livemusicvancouver.com to see the listing.. tickets available at Zulu, Scratch, other places.

European dates to start in Dec 06 or Jan 07

Those mostly-remote BC shows in late June are still happening too.

I'll also be at the June 29th show at the Commodore Ballroom, with openers Wibutee and Zu (from Italy)... a Vancouver Intl Jazz Festival related show.

Sep 13 El Corazon / Seattle, WA
Sep 14 Ray's Golden Lion / Richland, WA
Sep 15 The Other Side / Missoula, MT
Sep 16 The Filling Station / Bozeman, MT
Sep 18 Triple Rock Social Club / Minneapolis, MN
Sep 19 High Noon Saloon / Madison, WI
Sep 20 Subterranean / Chicago, IL
Sep 21 The Starlight / Waterloo, ON
Sep 22 The Underground / Hamilton, ON
Sep 23 Horseshoe Tavern / Toronto, ON
Sep 24 Trasheteria / Peterborough, ON
Sep 26 La Sala Rossa via Casa del Popolo / Montreal, QC
Sep 27 The Knitting Factory / New York, NY
Sep 28 North Six / Brooklyn, NY
Sep 29 Rock & Roll Hotel / Washington, DC
Sep 30 Beachland Ballroom / Cleveland, OH
Oct 2 Little Brothers / Columbus, OH
Oct 3 Mojo's / Columbia, MO
Oct 4 Record Bar / Kansas City, MO
Oct 5 Aggie Theater / Fort Collins, CO
Oct 6 Bluebird Theater / Denver, CO
Oct 7 Burt's Tiki Lounge / Salt Lake City, UT
then
Oct 24 Starry Plough / Berkeley, CA
Oct 25 The Knitting Factory / Los Angeles, CA
Oct 26 Vaudeville Cabaret / Tucson, AZ
Oct 27 Hollywood Alley / Mesa, AZ
Oct 28 The Casbah / San Diego, CA
Oct 29 Slim's / San Francisco, CA
Oct 30 Harlow's Sacramento, CA
Nov 1 Phoenix Theater (All Ages) / Petaluma, CA
Nov 2 W.O.W. Hall / Eugene, OR
Nov 3 Dante's / Portland, OR
Nov 4 Hells Kitchen (21+) / Tacoma, WA
Nov 5 Hells Kitchen (All Ages) / Tacoma, WA

then western mainland Europe gets real love
Nov 22 Mulhouse, France
Nov 23 Lyon, France
Nov 24 Montpellier, France
Nov 25 Barcelona, Spain
Nov 26 Valencia, Spain
Nov 28 Sevilla, Spain
Nov 29 Madrid, Spain
Nov 30 Lisbon, Portugal
Dec 1 Porto, Portugal
Dec 2 Gijon, Spain
Dec 3 Bilbao / Basque, Spain
Dec 5 Bordeaux, France
Dec 6 Toulouse, France
Dec 7 Saint-Nazaire, France
Dec 8 Paris, France
Dec 9 Brussels, Belgium
Dec 10 Amsterdam, Netherlands

much of the rest of Europe gets live love later next year.

new album All Roads Lead To Ausfahrt out there... somewhere, either via AntAcid (U.S.), Mint (Canada), or Southern (Europe)

So, there you go. :D

I have fallen utterly in love with them, and I am pleased to learn that they are working on a new record (with an added guitarist!) supposedly entitled Codename: Old.

Seeing the Wrong tour was one of my most formative experiences as a musician and music fan.

WRONG is one of those albums that makes me want a louder stereo. A lot louder.

The band are touring Japan for the first time in either a long time or forever.
Then they're touring Canada from west to east, then touring east to west as the Hanson Brothers.

From nomeanswhatever.com

Nomeansno Tour Dates
03.23.09 Shibuya, Japan Quattro
03.24.09 Nagoya, Japan Apollo Theater
03.26.09 Kyoto, Japan Urbanguild
03.27.09 Osaka, Japan Fandango
04.03.09 Vancouver, BC The Anza Club
04.04.09 Cumberland, BC Waverly Hotel
04.07.09 Calgary, AB Hi Fi Club
04.08.09 Red Deer, AB Cheers North
04.09.09 Edmonton, AB Pawn Shop
04.10.09 Saskatoon, SK Amigo's
04.11.09 Regina, SK Distrikt
04.13.09 Winnipeg, MB Royal Albert
04.14.09 Thunder Bay, ON Black Pirates Pub
04.16.09 Sudbury, ON The Townehouse
04.17.09 London, ON Call the Office

04.18.09 Toronto, ON Lee's Palace
04.19.09 Waterloo, ON Starlite Club
04.20.09 Peterborough, ON TBA
Hanson Brothers Tour Dates
04.23.09 Montreal, QC Il Motore
04.25.09 Toronto, ON Horseshoe Tavern
04.27.09 Thunder Bay, ON Black Pirates Pub
04.28.09 Winnipeg, MB Royal Albert
04.29.09 Regina, SK Distrikt
04.30.09 Saskatoon, SK Amigo's
05.01.09 Edmonton, AB Pawn Shop
05.02.09 Coaldale, AB Coaldale Motor Inn
05.03.09 Nelson, BC The Royal

The Anza Club show in Vancouver looks purty tempting. First show in North America in a coupla years, I think (aside from the one-offs in Tofino.)

And I don't think these are all the shows confirmed. More to come, I think.

Anyway, "Slowly Melting" returns of my favorite song ever, after revisiting the Mr. Happy album.

UK tour pls

attention brian ::
nomeansno at neumos october 8,2009

Also, no UK tour but they are playing London at the end of July (two days after they play here in Dublin - it's been nine years since they played here, not counting Hanson Brothers tours and that Metallica stadium thing).

these dates are posted on their myspace::

Jun 19 2009 8:00P
Sugar Victoria, British Columbia
Jun 20 2009 8:00P
Legion Tofino, British Columbia
Jun 26 2009 8:30P
Suoni per il Popolo Montreal, Quebec
Jun 27 2009 8:00P
TBA (all ages) Montreal, Quebec
Jun 30 2009 6:00P
Dürer kert Budapest
Jul 1 2009 8:00P
KSET Zagreb
Jul 2 2009 8:00P
MC Velenje Velenje
Jul 3 2009 8:00P
Kamnolom Radece
Jul 4 2009 8:00P
Club Luna Brac
Jul 5 2009 8:00P
ASU Obala Sarejevo
Jul 7 2009 8:00P
Arena Vienna
Jul 8 2009 8:00P
K4 Nurnberg
Jul 9 2009 8:00P
Universum Stuttgart
Jul 10 2009 8:00P
ExZess Frankfurt
Jul 11 2009 8:00P
Patronaat Haarlem
Jul 12 2009 8:00P
Vera Groningen
Jul 14 2009 8:00P
Schlachthoff Bremen
Jul 15 2009 8:00P
Bahnhof Langendreer Bochum
Jul 16 2009 8:00P
SO36 Berlin
Jul 17 2009 7:00P
CSW Zamek Ujazdowski Warsaw
Jul 18 2009 6:00P
Mega Club Katowice
Jul 19 2009 8:00P
Mighty Sounds Festival Tabor
Jul 21 2009 8:00P
Groovestation Dresden
Jul 22 2009 8:00P
Fabrik Hamburg
Jul 23 2009 8:00P
Gebaude 9 Cologne
Jul 24 2009 8:00P
TBA Bielefeld
Jul 25 2009 8:00P
Button Factory Dublin
Jul 26 2009 8:00P
Dingwalls London

neumos site has the october date listed.

Portland show is already being advertised...

Man, every time this thread gets revived, I worry that one of them has broken a hip.

Yeah, the first (and best) time I saw them was in 1990 on the Wrong tour. At that time, Rob looked to me like a ship's captain. Maybe the oldest "punk" musician I'd yet laid eyes on.

Insane that they're still so good 20 years later...

I know, dude looks like a mariner. Doesn't help that he makes Popeye faces.

Interviewing these dudes soon! (Anyone got any q's?)

I had no idea that Nomeansno supported Metallica, if that is indeed what is being stated a few posts back

It was just a one-shot deal, some one-day festival thing at the RDS in Dublin a few years back, with a bunch of other punk and metal bands, but for all intents and purposes a Metallica gig (unless my brain is fried and it was some other big-shot metal band headlining, but howandever). I wish I was there to see what reaction NoMeansNo got.

When I saw them live for the first time a few days ago, they came onstage and all I could think was..."damn, they're old." At which point, John opened the show by bellowing, "we're...ooooooold!" and then launching into a massive new tune called "I'm Old."

bless 'em!

I've been toying with the idea of going to see them at Dingwalls in a few weeks - I think I might as well just book a ticket, it's only a tenner.

And they've got Todd supporting them which is always a laugh.

DO IT

:-)

This is most momentous news. And I feel nearly as old as NMN these days, so that's ok.

Dingwalls is such a weird venue.

That reminds me, their gigs are only 3 weeks away, I should really get my ticket soon.

It's been far too long since I've seen them. Must catch them again soon!

from the scratch records email list::

NOMEANSNO-Mama CD (Wrong/WRONG31) $13.50
Finally reissued.
UPC:7 18751 95432 8

NOMEANSNO-Small Parts Isolated and Destroyed CD (Wrong/WRONG34)
$13.50
Finally reissued.
UPC:7 18751 95462 5

NOMEANSNO-Wrong CD (Wrong/WRONG30) $13.50
Finally reissued.
UPC:7 18751 95422 9

NOMEANSNO-0+2=1 CD (Wrong/WRONG35) $13.50
Finally reissued.
UPC:7 18751 95472 4

NOMEANSNO-One CD (Wrong/WRONG20) $13.50
Finally reissued.
UPC:7 18751 95322 2

sweet! but, no Worldhood?

Yay! (Wrong has been reissued a couple of years ago already, btw)

I scored Wrong on vinyl yesterday. Haven't owned it in 15 years. It holds up amazingly well.

Just got home from the Dublin show. Poor sound and a shitty crowd ruined it for me (why pay 20 quid just to talk all the way through it?) but the band themselves were on top form. In different circumstances, would have enjoyed it a lot more. Shame they didn't play any of my favorites, though.

Here's another band bubbling under my surface for years - heard the album with Jello Biafra but never went further. I just got the "People's Choice" comp and it's ace from start to finish. The earliest stuff sounds like they were a big influence on Cop Shoots Cop and other bass-focused bands. The way the music backs the chorus of "I Need You now now now now now now now now now" - splendid.

ok holy shit baby nomeansno video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTNr8i2ort0

cant get an exact date but uh 82 or 83 i suppose

quick summary to entice gbx and other peeps to go to the upcoming show(s)

1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPyAii6f-hc&feature=related

1991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hni9dYzN5n8

1995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeEdbGf0JU

live 2 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE32Hudh3fM

they're playing two shows in the bay area this fall AND I CAN'T WAIT.

i can't believe i've never heard these guys

Seeing 'em tonight in Oaklandia.

interesting show, eh? it really underscores how his bass sound holds the band together - they sounded so thin once he replaced his amp.

yeah i immediately looked up his rig after reading this thread, his bass sound is so cool.

Wow, why did nobody tell me that these guys are awesome?

One for the "bands you assumed you didn't like from the name" thread, I guess - always imagined they were srs tune-free monochrome hardcore for srs angry dudes

(this does not explain why I didn't get round to checking them out in my srs tune-free monochrome angry phase, though)

does anyone have an MP3 of "Old," I can't find that shit anywhere

it's from tour EP 1, which is on itunes. or did you mean a free version?

the lyrics are often extremely juvenile, but the tunes are killer.

the message board on nomeansno website has tons of threads asking about what the lyrics in certain songs are supposed to mean. really?

CATS
SEX
NAZIS

there are definitely two sides to NMN: there are songs informed by the World's Worst Dirty Jokes and songs informed by Heidigger.

new EP rocks.

ok so i just stumbled across the band Two Pin Din , which is the drummer from Dog Faced Hermans and that other singing guy that isnt one of the wright brothers (1983-1991) in nomeansno and oh man does it scratch that nomeansno itch!

http://www.twopindin.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWkSZ3nac0k

ha i meant to actually mention their names but got caught up in my sentence, Andy Kerr is former nmn and wilf plum is the dog faced hermans dude

keep expecting kerr to blurt out "come along ! and bring your juke box money !"
"he was in a jam / he was in a giant clam !"
etc

classic.

Two Pin Din are the Pomplamoose of a much better universe.

http://www.burningtoken.com/bands/nomeansno/

West Coast tour, get on it:

http://www.nomeanswhatever.com/tour.html

There's a UK tour in May/June too, don't know the details but it looks like they're playing quite a few locations.

so excited! especially since they had major technical problems at their last two bay area shows, and it affected their set. although all was made right when they started their encore on night 2 with "now."

New interview with John Wright

http://thequietus.com/articles/12566-nomeansno-john-wright-interview

I did an e-mailer with Tom a couple of weeks ago, too: http://thumped.com/interviews/we-have-never-entertained-long-term-goals-an-interview-with-nomeansno.html

Hey thanks!

their show in Bristol a fortnight ago was probably my favourite gig of 2013 this far. just did not let up

I wish I'd known about that

Extremely terse message here:

https://www.facebook.com/wrongrecords/posts/10153596446204517

NOMEANSNO HAS SPLIT

Nothing more than this. (Has banana split? Has split release coming soon? Has really split?)

Ah, the answer was closest to the first. The actual first comment from them is:

...a milkshake at the local diner because sharing is caring.

lol

breaking up would be very out-of-character for them

part of me wonders if J0hn Ch3dsey posted that, he handles a lot of their PR stuff (or did, at least), and just made an FB post cackling about the gullibility of NMN fans on his FB page

yep, it was him. he's having a helluva laugh over it at the moment

back on topic, man was Wrong a great fucking album. I think that was my favorite of theirs.

Ah man, but what a hell of a run:

https://www.facebook.com/wrongrecords/posts/10155280797764517

Greetings everybody,John here from NMN and with a heavy heart I must announce the retirement of No Means No.A hiatus became a long hiatus and a lingering hiatus has become a permanent one. Thirty-five years and countless miles, a couple thousand shows and many more beers, a bunch of tunes and sweaty hoards of great fans, I can't say thanks enough to everyone.I will continue to post here on our page about the Robots and future projects if and when they happen. Hoping to have the debut Compressorhead album out by next march so you have not heard the last of things yet.So cheers everyone! Raise a glass....xo

That's a bummer but, heck yeah, they went out never having been anything but great. Not many bands can say that.

Goddamn! Over the last decade or so I've become convinced they're the greatest rock band this dumb-ass country has yet produced. Glad I got to see 'em live.

It took me 13 years between being introduced to them via Live and Cuddly to finally being in the right city at the right time to see them live in 2006. Really really glad I did.

Kind of expected but I'm still saddened by this. RIP one of the best bass tones ever.

Yeah very glad I saw them back in 2005, IIRC, up in Vancouver. (I'm sure a show on Vancouver Island would have been even more appropriate but I'll take that regardless -- seeing them in front of a hometown crowd as such was a hell of a thing.)

05 was probably the same tour I saw... Just destroyed the club, unreal

I was late to them due a general Alternative Tentacles allergy, I knew a bunch of people who were into them and heard the records here & there but it didn't really click for me until the early '00s, but man what a great band.

I saw that on their message board a few months ago it was mentioned they get offers all the time from festivals to play this or that record all the way through but they don't have any interest in doing that.

Good on them. Although I have to admit I'd go see the shit out of them playing Wrong all the way through.

^^I don't peg them as reunion tour types but I'd love that. Saw them on the Ausfahrt tour, what a blast.

They toured Europe all the time and they went out of their way to come to Ireland so many times; I only saw them on three occasions (2000, 2008? and 2013) but each was a great show. (And I'm not even counting the Hanson Brothers shows that I've never seen.)

And next on the Brexit playlist is 'Theresa, Give Me that Knife' off the 2004 Nomeansno album 'The People's Choice'

I saw them one sweltering summer night in 1990, in a humid, sticky basement called the Speedboat Gallery in St. Paul. It was glorious.

Wrong is def my favorite by far (2004 remaster is on Bandcamp), but enjoyed getting reacquainted with most of their catalog. Wouldn't have minded seeing them again, but it would have seemed weird to see them headline Riot Fest or something, as they seemed made for tight, claustrophobic venues.

The CD version of Why Do They Call Me Mr Happy? is in my top five albums of all time. I like Wrong as well but I just feel that WDTCMMH? is for the ages.

I feel that way about the CD version of Worldhood

Wrong is 30 years old in 2019. Still sounds as fresh to me as the day it came out.

I remember Peel playing all of the first side on his show once

I've said this before but Wrong sounds so sharp and ahead of its time compared to basically anything else from the time thanks to its super dry, tight production

the main actual issue I have with spotify is that nomeansno aren't on it (despite apparently being on tidal and apple music?)

this was the greatest punk band of all time

hell yeah

"disappear" my jam right now
Qui tickle the same spot for me, somehow

the quadruple-time bit of "my politics" >>>>>

Played the 0+2=1 cd in the car today! Not their best overall but a sentimental favorite as it was the first album of theirs I bought

I think I only own 0+2=1 on LP and [/i]Dance...[/i] on CD, as well as the sealed Live and Cuddly I thrifted a few months back. their stuff is hard to find even in Canada!

lol tags oh well

anyway reissue campaign when

the band have been posting telling people not to buy their stuff from Bandcamp or Discogs because notorious shitheads Southern records are the ones selling it. Alternative Tentacles is supposed to be reissuing it all, but Southern are in possession of the masters, so not sure when that's going to happen

:(

it's too bad the only thing most people can hear is The People's Choice - it's a great comp but it barely scratches the surface

i should really get more nomeansno, all i have is 'you kill me' and 'the day everything became nothing'

xpost
I can imagine bandcamp being a no-go in that case but surely buying through discogs should not be a problem?

Wrong still sounds so f*cking tight

oh, I've been Stanning for it in this thread already :-)

I didn’t know Southern were/are bad news? What’s the story there?

working on a ranking of the NMN albums just for fun. tbh I've never been that wild about the early two-piece material but I'm happy to give it all another shot

i find mama hard going still, maybe one day it'll click

maybe one of the few discographies i find impossible to rank a la fugazi

"Humans" -> "Lost" one of the alltime great asskicking stretches of any rock record afaic

I'm teaching myself 'It's Catching Up' so I can do a lockdown cover version with some buddies, it's such fun to play.

"slowly melting" is an amazing song i hope to hear with not-shitty production/mixing one day

New to me: Generic Shame, aka three outtakes from One. the Miles Davis and Ramones covers are fun, but I think I'd have preferred these songs in there instead.

also this might be heretical but I'm glad the Hanson Brothers records exist as a non-NMN outlet for their Ramones worship shtick, which I find incredibly boring

Ok, so I haven't listened to the Hanson Brothers since Gross Misconduct came out. I can't remember the last time I even thought about them until you posted that. But I'm listening to that record now and realized that I sometimes get Night Without You stuck in my head as an actual Ramones song whose place in their catalog I could never quite remember.

I didn’t know Southern were/are bad news? What’s the story there?

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well as far as I know, they are basically a UK SST - not paying royalties, hoarding master tapes, not keeping things in print but blocking other labels from reissuing things, or demanding exorbitant licensing fees that make reissues impossible.

well as far as I know, they are basically a UK SST

Does that apply to SRD as well? They carry (or carried) loads of reputable labels for the UK and Ireland market.

I like Wrong, One, The Worldhood of the World as Such, and Dance of the Headless Bourgeosie a lot.

which other ones would i like if i like those?

the 85-88 material (which exists in several confusing formats) is largely killer if slightly cruder than what came later, and Why Do They Call Me Mr Happy? (which falls in the middle of the span you just listed) is pretty damn great. Their last LP All Roads Lead to Ausfahrt is more straightforward than usual but still contains maybe a half-dozen killer jams.

^ cosign

The 1988 EP/mini albums would be a good place to go - The Day Everything Became Nothing and Small Parts Isolated And Destroyed, which were released on one CD called The Day Everything Became Isolated And Destroyed.

re Southern distribution, can't say I know anything about it - I have just seen a lot of griping over recent years from old punk bands/labels/fans about Southern's business practices, I think it mostly started since John Loder died.

This is probably beyond the scope of a Nomeansno thread but what is the deal with possessing the masters - do Southern (or SST for that matter) have contractual/legal (on paper) ownership of the tapes and thus the right to refuse to license it or does having physical possession of someone's masters just automatically afford you that right? I guess what I'm asking is if an artist stole their masters back would they be in trouble? Heh.

I'd be down to mount a rescue operation

Didn't The Replacements do that once? One of them distracted the receptionist while another scooted off into the back to liberate the tapes. Might have been someone else tbf.

well, the geniuses got drunk and went in to steal their masters to throw them in the river but ended up just grabbing some safety duplicate masters and some tapes that were other bands not theirs

https://medium.com/cuepoint/the-replacements-decadent-food-fight-and-ridiculous-record-heist-of-1987-210434506391

Call it a reconnaissance mission I guess.

At least with the SST situation, a few bands that had had the wherewithal to lawyer up got their masters back in the late ’90s: Sonic Youth and the the Meat Puppets were the biggies, and there have been a few others over the years. Dinosaur Jr got their stuff back; Soundgarden’s SST debut was remixed and remastered on Sub Pop a couple of years ago. But I don’t know if anyone knows the state of masters that remain in GG’s possession, especially since he moved the label to Texas. Alternative Tentacles used vinyl to master their reissue of the Dicks’ Kill from the Heart, which was deleted really early by SST and the masters were gone. Loads of artists have claimed rights reverted, so you will find some random things on streaming now like Scott Colby’s Slide of Hand that are nearly all vinyl rips. And even some of SST’s CD releases were mastered from vinyl rather than the original tapes (I’m pretty sure Jack Brewer has claimed this was the case for Paganicons).

i hate greg ginn so much, what a shit state of affairs for such a great catalog

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I recently learned that Dukowski wrote "My War" specifically about Ginn

sorry for digressing but yeah FUCK what a shame it is

especially since he moved the label to Texas

Convoy of U-Hauls filled with unsold Zoogz Rift and Leaving Trains vinyl trundling through New Mexico.

Have only ever heard bad things about Southern from numerous people I know who've fallen foul of their business practices. John Loder wasn't much better either I don't think, so don't go imagining he was the ethical giant of legend.

going back through the catalog, so many of their best songs (state of grace, the river, now, give me the push, the tower, the phone call, etc) are fucking great hooky hard rock songs more than anything else, certainly not punk in any meaningful sense

I was very confused when I bought Dance of the Headless Bourgeoisie being told they were progressive punk and being very confused.

they're great songs but....only "I'm an Asshole" really felt like 'punk'. but I guess punk is an ethos so it's cool, and they're cool.

I was very confused did you get that, i was confused, i was confused

The Tower is an absolute middle-aged punk dad singalong anthem, judging by the first NoMeansNo show I saw in 2000 at any rate.

This upcoming weekend, we are having our biggest sale...maybe ever?! Help us free up shelf space for Nomeansno.
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— AlternativeTentacles (@AltTentacles) April 12, 2021

oooooooooh

I’m really looking forward to firming up my Kerr-era NMN collection. I have the two biggies (Wrong & the 2013 reissue of TDEBI&D) but would relish a chance to revisit You Kill Me/Sex Mad and maybe finally get into 0+2=1.

Kicking myself for not having bought every copy of Mama I ever saw, for any price; I could retire at the prices even the 2013 reissues are fetching now. ... hopefully this reissue series will include it, although with NMN you never know. As I recall it’s “quirkier” than the Kerr-era material but I’d be more than willing to give it another shot.

Lucked into a copy of the “Fear Anger Betrayal Hatred” EP recently & I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Very much embryonic, but it has the spirit.

I only own Dance... and Young and Cuddly on CD and 0+2=1 on LP. What I'm really hoping for is an LP of Worldhood that includes everything from the CD....a boy can dream

I had also forgotten that I had bought the very slim NMN book “Going Nowhere” a while back, & hadn’t read it. This morning, while looking for something else I’d misplaced, I found it! Serendipitously, as I’m going thru a slight NMN revival at the mo.

released 2022: https://sheffieldtapearchive.bandcamp.com/album/nomeansno-live-bradford-1988

they also have The Fall & Crass & lots of other 80s audience tapes - I don't know about selling them though

https://alternativetentacles.com/product-tag/dad-revenge/

"At long last, after many rumors… we can confirm that the NOMEANSNO catalog will be returning to Alternative Tentacles Records." (just in case that "the return of Nomeansno" got your hopes up - they remain retired)

i'm still about that. I never came close to completing my Nomeansno collection

Tired
Tired
Tiredowaiting

BIG DICK

Yes, but Big Dick’s tired of waiting for these reissues.

Oral/visual history incoming and funds needed to help get it printed up:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ww3/nomeansno

(Supported stuff from PM Press before, they're legit.)

https://alternativetentacles.com/product/virus-77-wrong-pre-order

FINALLY

$40 international shipping? Fuck off! I’ll wait till an EU distro gets some.

Some nights I think Small Parts Isolated And Destroyed is the best album ever made by anyone.

those WRONG pre-orders are finally getting pressed

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_wi78RUbo/?igsh=dG4xMm96Y282ZTE4

give me cd box set

give me just a little push

It’s all there!!!

Well, almost all. Worldhood isn’t. And some EPs I guess

... where is this there you're talking about? not the Alternative Tentacles site I presume?

Bandcamp, and Apple Music. I presume Spotify as well

oooh, thx! I nearly didn't find that as I got sent to this empty profile: https://nomeansnomusic.bandcamp.com/

bizarre non inclusion of "i am wrong" on "wrong" & " i need you" & "slowly melting" on "mr happy" but hey we're old we've already had em decades now 🤷‍♂️

Oh, well it’s not quite all there then.

What a band though

what a band

anyone else have any fave bands they use to plug their nmn hole?
qui;
paper mice; and
it dockumer lokaeltsje
serve as reasonably good substitutes for me

Sweepers - https://sweepers-usa.bandcamp.com/album/sweepers

bizarre non inclusion of "i am wrong" on "wrong"

WTF

loving that sweepers- had not heard of them, thank you!

i guess there's a whole bunch of vijay iyer projects & tim berne's snakeoil that milk that corkscrewing reanimator-theme-tune paranoid prog boogie, too, but they don't have a sports teacher barking about zombies over the top of that

Worldhood is on Bandcamp now, I don't think it was yesterday