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Is there any way I can get Negativland's U2? ive searched kazaa, would you recommend soulseek? is there anyone out there who owns it willing to email it to me?

esquire1983 (esquire1983), Monday, 3 March 2003 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

You can download it for free at Look under "Audio Files." It's classic.

Evan (Evan), Monday, 3 March 2003 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

it's rubbish

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

(By "rubbish" Mark means "classic".)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

It's fuckin' ponderous, man.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan has at last cracked my code

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

It's clashish!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

mark it must be good, it contributed the awesome phrase "these guys are from england & who gives a shit" to my lexicon...i say that nearly every day!

duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

yes duane, but great art = the redemption of half-baked earlier nonsense!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

(not that i usually make that distinction)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(great vs half-baked i mean)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll let you know when i get this thing out of the oven ok

duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Negativland roxx, Mark S is gay. Or bi or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

just unchoosy ned

mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link


Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
Anyway, my vile commentary above notwithstanding, rah the new album No Business, which I waffle on a bit about here.


Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

BTW for a few years now, the original tracks, plus related materials, have been available from Negativland on These Guys Are from England and Who Gives a Shit.

In their words:

Seelard Records 021 (not a Negativland release)

Negativmailorderland has discovered what can only be described as the ultimate "reissue" of the music that made Negativland so (in)famous: the two track EP originally released by SST Records featuring cover versions of a Very Famous Irish Rock Band's hit song. If you've gotten this far you undoubtedly know what we're talking about so we won't bore you with the details...

Several "bootleg" versions of our banned EP have appeared over the past decade, including some forgeries that are so well-designed that it's hard to tell them apart from the original (see our discography for details), but none of them have come even close to encapsulating the bloody history of that old release as this brand-new CD on the suspicious "Seelard Records" label. We don't even know where this "label" is located, but we were so impressed with their efforts that we've decided to distribute a bunch of copies of it ourselves.

THESE GUYS ARE FROM ENGLAND AND WHO GIVES A SHIT is an album-length collection of just about every darn gasp uttered by Negativland which relates to the notorious and banned EP, from early run-thrus of the material (taped from our weekly radio show, OVER THE EDGE), to live versions both pre-lawsuit and post, and to the actual single itself. We are amazed at the extremely high-fidelity and professional presentation of this material, which even includes the only top-notch recordings available from our "Music For Lawyers" tour of 1993 (several lawsuit-related compositions which never saw the light of day on any other "legitimate" Negativland album).
Complete track listing:

1. OVER THE EDGE 12/31/89 (excerpts) 7:59
2. Long Distance Dedication #1 (live) 6:19
3. 1991 A Cappella Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For 7:15
4. Special Edit Radio Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For 5:47
5. Long Distance Dedication #2 (live) 7:03
6. Copying is a Criminal Act (live) 5:07
7. Wake Up America (live) 4:03
8. The Black Lady of Espionage (live) 5:00
9. Deliberate Sabotage (live) 2:59
10. A Cappella Version - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (live) 7:16
11. Edited Special Edit Radio Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (may actually be played on the radio!!) 5:42

We are convinced that this overly attentive-to-detail release will EXHAUST your interest in this subject FOREVER and provide the Negativ-fan with legally impossible entertainment at the same time.

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 16 May 2005 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
The Onion and Negativland speak together.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Great interview but I have stab back at Hosler's final line:

But I also couldn't imagine a group like Negativland coming out of, say, Canada. [Laughs.]

Um, John Oswald?

(I know, I know -- he was talking about Negativland, the "band", specifically and how they operated over the years, and not talking about classic found-sound artists in general, but those three words above came immediately to mind after that final line.)

donut e- (donut), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, I'm totally taking the line out of context. He was pretty much cheering on Canada as a country that does more to federally support the arts than the U.S... he just mentioned also that a lot of great bands become great bands because of trying to struggle against living in artist-oppressive-land as well. I'm not sure I totally agree with that either, but it is true to many cases.

donut e- (donut), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Consolidated Works, Seattle (Fri 3/10, Sat 3/11) along with the Negativlandland art exhibit that debuted in NYC last year.

Capitol Theater, Olympia (Sun 3/12)

"It's All In Your Head" is the show.. same one as the ones in Ontario and the Bay Area last year.

Expect a more Over The Edge-y type thing and don't expect greatest hits although Richard Lyons and David Wills will likely be in attendance, so who knows what will happen.

I'll be at the Friday show fer sure.

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait, the Weatherman will actually be there? *jealous*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno. He lives here now. Negativland is in town. I can't imagine they would have just forgotten about him. We'll see.

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I paid for my ticket weeks ago. I'm excited. Never thought I'd get to experience them live at all. I'm going Friday too.

Is Negativlandland the art exhibit then? I got confused when I saw a link to that on the site because it looked like something that had already taken place.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah that's what I was thinking that maybe Weatherman will be involved since he lives here now. That would be fucking great.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm excited too. Again, this show will probably be very different than the previous shows where they occasionally did "the hits" (three shows here: twice in 2000, once in 1993)... so I'm just glad for a change of pace.. it will probably be more of a mental experience than anything else.

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

This fuckin' uptempo record and I've got to talk about a fuckin' dog dyin'...

LoneNut, Friday, 10 March 2006 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, that was one excellent excellent show.. Very different from the True/False performances from 2000, different from the Fair Use shows from 1993... but just as good as both, but very different from both. Highly planned, entertaining, and very dense... I like how this one allowed one to be able to just shut his/her eyes for a while and just hear the audio instead... they advised doing that the entire time semi-tongue-in-cheek, although the group were very entertaining to watch as they cued each other on when to do certain things and all that.

(Assuming I don't have other work priorities) I'm probably skipping Spank Rock Sat. night to see/hear this again...

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The art exhibition was ace as well, really was. Most art exhibitions really don't do what that did for me. It really made me wish there was some way to take it with me, as did the show itself at times. I don't have a camera cell phone but last night I wished I did. I wonder if there will be any way to hear the show again later, etc.

The small David Wills installation in the back was like crumbs in front of a hungry man. My favourite part of the wall of written Wills-isms was "One thing that is very important is that you burp your Tupperware".

It did go on a bit too long I think, 3 hours, but I was also just very tired after a long workweek. Yeah I considered going again tonight too, but I've already got other plans.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, I'm not sure I've experienced anything quite that prescient since I saw Radiohead in 2001 at the Gorge. It was that same feeling of suddenly experiencing an important historical moment as it happens.

Another thing is that I actually got lost on the way there and ended up stopping right in front of a church a couple of blocks away that had physical features of both Christianity and those funny shaped things you see on the top of mosques. Very odd.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if there will be any way to hear the show again later, etc.

You can! This show was the debut of the "Hey, we have 'It's All In Your Head' for sale at the merch booth" show... they're selling the limited edition double-CDs for $12 each I believe. I picked one up last night. You can also order them only via, and those are the ONLY two ways you can get this. I picked one up, but -- after seeing this show -- will probably actually listen to it a week later, just because, well, my brain is already saturated with It's All In Your Head as it is. :D

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha. Yeah they definitely saturated our brains that's for sure! I looked at the booth they had there but I didn't get the feeling they were selling anything, which puzzled me. I'll probably order some more of their stuff online soon anyway. I've kinda tired out of the last cassettes I ordered from them awhile back.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I really liked the way they were dressed. Colourful dress shirts with ties...Sometimes when they started getting musical with these electro bits, it reminded me of Kraftwerk in performance style/appearance.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Furthermore, I particularly liked the way they began the show with bits of The Beatles - "Across the Universe" was it? I can't recall exactly. A conversation about God should always begin with the Beatles as far as I'm concerned.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Also much later on there was a part where they finally did an electro sound that sounded exactly like the beginning of New Order's "Your Silent Face" - do you remember it? I was going to yell out "Your Silent Face!" but their material prevented me.

That was the first song I ever heard of New Order ever when I knew I had fallen in love with New Order.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, may Bush lick up the crap of the cows he works with.

And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

>sounded exactly like the beginning of New Order's "Your Silent Face"

if it's the track I'm thinking of (simple 2/4 plonky stomp), that's a sample of the first track on Moebius & Renziehausen's Ersatz

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Well that could prove to be very useful information! Thank you sir!

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"dupaplete my Mcnothing!"

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link

It's "exgagonizing"

"Pump gag"

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

And you know he can't say "emanating". He can only say "enamating". I tell you that David Wills is a genius.

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Exhibit opening tonight in Minneapolis:

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Negativland is doing their "It's All In Your Head FM" tour near me next month...anyone know anything about it?

Reatards Unite, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I've seen it an it's freaking great. It will make you think, (especially if you are an atheist like me). You must go. Negativland are very dear to my heart, though I only really think about them intensely about once a year.

Bimble, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I've heard that Mark Hosler from Negativland will do a lecture at the ZXZW festival in Holland. Which already has a killer line-up.

joost666, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Bimble, I'm impressed.

Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Spoke one of the organizers. There will also the premiere of a new Neagtivland film.

joost666, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll unite with you, reatard. Any idea what the show will be like? I'm guessing that the shows will have a similar style to the 2005 <i>It's All in Your Head FM</i> shows, but different content, right? I listen to that live release more than almost any other live release from the last five years.

Color me excited.

Jamesy, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Saw Hosler give his lecture last night at the Knox Museum of Art. Then everybody went to Senor Taco with him. Then bowling!

today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

I'm envious!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

Wish I had pics.

today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

Between the return of U2 and this it's like it's their time all over again.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 March 2009 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

I filed a police report today (minor thing--car got rifled through, nothing taken it seems). The officer handed me the report number and his name etc. on a piece of paper, at the bottom of which is printed "©2001 TEN-8, INC." Naturally it made me want to hear A Big 10-8 Place. Man I love this thing (every couple of years anyway).

"The door opens automatically, and the first thing you see is the orange
carpet inside 180...and you'll see the dog juice, the horrible dog juice..."

andrew m., Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:39 (eight years ago) link

which album/video has the Weatherman's story about fixing the playboy channel in Rossmoor?

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:45 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

The half-hour of sound manipulation they did at La Luz is on YouTube:

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:12 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

i have the guns cd single which has 2 versions which are good but i wish they would come out with a greatest cd collection.

xzanfar, Sunday, 9 June 2013 00:31 (seven years ago) link

still absolute solid gold

piscesx, Sunday, 9 June 2013 02:20 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

do u know how many time zones there are in the soviet union

ⓢⓗⓘⓣ (am0n), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:32 (six years ago) link


polyamanita (sleeve), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:52 (six years ago) link

That's ridiculous. It's not even funny.

emil.y, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:57 (six years ago) link


OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 21:37 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

Negativland have posted on Facebook that Ian Allen, a key early member who had to leave the band in the late eighties due to continuing health issues, has passed on after complications from surgery. Very sad news to hear -- he introduced the original group to Don Joyce, was a key force behind the design and concept of A Big 10-8 Place, pushed for the tape loop approach and more.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:30 (five years ago) link

Aw, jeez. RIP.

emil.y, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:56 (five years ago) link

this does not seem like a band that would use Facebook.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 17:49 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

Very, very sad news to hear -- Negativland reports that Don Joyce aka Crosley Bendix and many more, and the host of "Over the Edge," has passed on. A tremendous loss.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:40 (five years ago) link

When he and Negativland discovered their mutual love for “found” sounds, an intensely collaborative creative partnership was cemented. It continued non-stop for the ensuing decades, with Don endlessly scanning the airwaves of radio and television, along with his massive LP collection, for new material, day by day, week by week. There was often a TV and a radio on in his room simultaneously, cassette recorders always at the ready. And as an extremely shy and often quite reclusive person, radio was a perfect medium for Don. He could reach thousands of people each week without having to deal with very many actual humans, just as he preferred it. Creating art was not only Don’s full-time pursuit, it was literally his life’s work. He had made it clear to the group as recently as a few weeks ago that he was happy and satisfied with what he had been able to achieve in his life, and were he not able to continue to work, his life would feel as good as over.
Don Joyce’s singular editing style was laced with profundity and silliness in equal measure. His work was that of a dada humanist, able to wring unforgettable sentiments and statements out of material which originally spoke something entirely different. Hugely inspired by both the droll radio of Bob and Ray and the reckless free-form of the Firesign Theatre, he created a wicked language of repurposed purple prose which has inspired legions of other collage artists over the past three decades. He was the father of the form. One need only to listen to his work on “Time Zones” (on the Escape from Noise album) or “Piece of Pie” (in the No Business CD/book) to immediately tune into his unique wavelength.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:42 (five years ago) link


Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:44 (five years ago) link

RIP. "It's All In Your Head FM" was one of my highlights from the first Big Ears.

dart scar rashes (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 July 2015 19:19 (five years ago) link

Had a chance to talk a bit about him:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2015 00:32 (five years ago) link

good post ned midnight pacific tonight - over the edge

Milton Parker, Friday, 24 July 2015 01:48 (five years ago) link

sorry for yr loss, MP

sarahell, Friday, 24 July 2015 02:59 (five years ago) link

on my drive home from work this evening I saw a man who looked a lot like Don standing on the corner of Grand & Broadway, and I got sad.

sarahell, Friday, 24 July 2015 03:01 (five years ago) link

Thanks Jon, much appreciated. Awfully kind of the band to share that out on FB.

A tribute:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2015 16:21 (five years ago) link

Tempted to smoke a cigarette in honor of Don.

I think I'd like to have a cigarette now. Where are my cigarettes, David?
They're on top of the refrigerator.
David, I'd like to know what you did with my cigarettes.
They're under the house.
My cigarettes are missing, David. I'd like to smoke. What did you do with them?
They're in the toad cage.
David, I'd like to have a cigarette right now but I can't find the package. I put them on the table and they're not there. Did you take them?
I think we may have left them up at Grandma's house.
My mother doesn't smoke, David. What did you do with my cigarettes?
I told you, they're on top of the refrigerator.
I looked on top of the refrigerator. They aren't there. will you please tell me what you did with my cigarettes?
Maybe you left them in the car.
I haven't been in the car all day. You must have put them somewhere and I can't find them. You better tell me now or I'm going to really get mad.
Oh yeah, I think I know where they are. They're in back of the TV set, where all the parakeet feathers are.
As you're cleaning the orange carpet, there'll be a voice that says: FETCH MY CIGARETTES.
Another voice will say: THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR.
And then of course you've forgotten completely about the green slime.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Friday, 24 July 2015 16:29 (five years ago) link

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:12 (five years ago) link

And now praise in turn for MP's own words and remembrances:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 July 2015 23:19 (five years ago) link

That's ridiculous. It's not even funny.

stirmonster, Friday, 31 July 2015 00:23 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

Darn it. Richard Lyons has passed.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:35 (four years ago) link


it's not even funny.

stirmonster, Thursday, 21 April 2016 14:09 (four years ago) link

cancer. Ugh. Only 57

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 April 2016 16:22 (four years ago) link

:( RIP

lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 21 April 2016 16:51 (four years ago) link


the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Thursday, 21 April 2016 16:53 (four years ago) link

first time I saw them live was on this tour:

coffe growing vpon the skull of a sock (sarahell), Thursday, 21 April 2016 18:08 (four years ago) link

fucking hell

Odysseus, Thursday, 21 April 2016 18:08 (four years ago) link

holy shit this and prince? i was just listening to Dispepsi last week

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 April 2016 00:32 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Well, ok then.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 00:40 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

should I go see Mark Hosler solo?

alpine static, Sunday, 15 July 2018 19:53 (two years ago) link


billstevejim, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:06 (two years ago) link


alpine static, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:19 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

30th anniversary of Helter Stupid this year. One of the all-time "you could never get away with that today" stories. Imagine some metal band trying to piggyback on a school shooting by claiming the killer was an obsessed fan of theirs.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:47 (one year ago) link

I could see the edgelords trying.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2019 01:40 (one year ago) link

should I go see Mark Hosler solo?

I saw Hosler solo on Halloween (with The Weatherman opening!) - was way more groove-based, at times leaning dubward, than I would have expected. Very few vocal samples, and no explicit cultural-critical aspects at all.

sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 01:44 (one year ago) link

xpost - singing Ned's post to the tune of Take The Skinheads Bowling

sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 01:45 (one year ago) link

Helter Stupid is great, supreme entertainment.

brimstead, Friday, 11 January 2019 02:02 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

let's try again

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 October 2019 12:37 (ten months ago) link

Nice, thanks! I think they’re playing a brief residency at Cafe Oto over the next few days. Might try to make it...

tangenttangent, Saturday, 26 October 2019 13:27 (ten months ago) link

This is great, thanks for the heads up. The videos are excellent (More Data, Destroying Anything) too.

I guess they've been workshopping some of this material for a while? I've been out of the loop since Free or so.

Brakhage, Sunday, 27 October 2019 22:40 (ten months ago) link

Oh cool, there's a nice video recording of a 2000 date in full on the Archive

Brakhage, Sunday, 27 October 2019 22:44 (ten months ago) link

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