C/D Paul McCartney Solo

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Do you think Paul McCartney solo is better than Paul McCartney with Wings or beatles? I like songs from all of these parts of his career (Hey Jude, Band on the Run, Maybe I'm Amazed). Some say he was best with the Beatles. The ILM tribe says:

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

DESTROY.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry, wrong kinda thread. DUD.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

he's no Elton, that's for sure

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I like Elton, too!

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Only about three good songs solo:

"Jet"

"Junior's Farm"

"Listen to What the Man Said"

otherwise, it's shit.

chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"Jet" was Paul with Wings....not solo.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

That's what I thought.

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

The whole of 'Band on the Run' album is good apart from long song that does same thing in lots of cheesy styles. Even that's good, I take it back.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link

wings pretty much=solo, IMHE.

I like 'jet' and the start of 'C moon' and I like 'maybe I'm amazed' and 'no more lonely nights' and 'silly love songs'!!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Always loved "Live & Let Die," personally.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I only have the US CD of All the Best and an lp of Ram. I listened to the former for the first time in ages a while ago, and I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. I didn't hit the skip button once! I forgot how great the aforementioned "Junior's Farm" and "C Moon" were. I completely forgot that David Gilmour played on "No More Lonely Nights" (I was thinking "shit who is this guitar player sounding like Gilmour!")

It's an odd collection because it is missing some good bits ("Maybe I'm Amazed" "Helen Wheels" "Take it Away"). I'll probably just end up getting his lps eventually, like I usually do with artist I admire (sigh).

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link

the UK 'all the best' doesn't have junior's farm or...uncle albert/admiral halsey...it does have maybe I'm amazed and maybe another one.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link

"Jet" was Paul with Wings....not solo.

-- Alex in NYC


There's no difference!! Paul was the, what do you say, "auteur"...

chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Where is Pinefox when you need him?

Paul McCartney is one of those artists that I bet there's a potential CD-R or two's worth of stuff I would absolutely adore - really he needs to be a lot more obscure than he is, so some loving curator could trawl through his albums and B-Sides and make some selections. As it is his commercial/historical clout means the available compilations take the path of least resistance a bit too much.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

The *detailed* answer to the question would need some careful thought.

Beatles beat the rest hands-down - that much we know. Beyond that, RJG is probably right. But the best post-Beatles Macca I know is VENUS & MARS - a bit of a 70s masterpiece. TUG OF WAR also has great stuff; his work with Costello has its moments; and so does the FLAMING PIE LP (1997).

the pinefox, Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Pinefox right otm though I would add Ram to those he mentions.

I did the CDR thing with McCartneys back catalogue a year or two ago and managed to get 4 really good chronological comps. I would guess that a lot of people would like much of this stuff if they sat down and listened to it. McCartney solo though is almost dismissed and I don't think that the Wingspan comp kicked off the resurection of the post Beatles stuff that I or probably he expected.

mms (mms), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Live and Let Die and the Frog Song excepted, DUD!!!

What I really can't get over is the fact that Paul himself doesn't realise how rubbish he is nowadays. Wake up!

He really seems to think his solo work is comparable to the Beatles. It's not. Maybe it was always going to be a dissapointment by the Beatles standards, but by _any_ standards it's awful. And still he doesn't get it.

Maybe if we all stood outside his house with placards saying "Paul, your music is now shit!" he'd get it. But I doubt it. He'd probably think "Hey those guys have spelled 'hit' wrong".

Dud.

mei (mei), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd say "Listen to What The Man said", "Jet", "Junior's Farm", most of "Ram" & about half of "McCartney" are as good as, say, a good proportion of the White LP. And certainly better than any of John's solo records. Quality control was never Macca's forte (Bip Bop, anyone?), but that's the point: the unpredictability of his solo output is one of the things that makes it appealing. That & the peerless way he has with a melody.

harveyw (harveyw), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to like "No More Lonely Nights", but only for Dave Gilmour's solo at the end.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"Mamunia" from Band on the Run was good, except for a bunch of out of tune guitars. Also, the cooing harmonies in "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five" always get me. "Dear Boy" from Ram, also the short little title track. He's really always been good in spurts (yes, even today).

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

"Coming Up"!!! classic

dave q, Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link

My favourites from WINGSPAN: Bluebird, Junk, Waterfalls, Tug of War, Pipes of Peace, virtually everything that was on WINGS GREATEST back in the day.

Favourite videos: Goodnight Tonight, Pipes of Peace.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I like that "simply having a wonderful Christmastime" song (ducks)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd forgotten that one. A classic of its genre, instantly recognisable despite using all the Christmas cliches.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Half a C: MCCARTNEY II. This is, by Macca's standards, a completely outre work. Recorded solo-style after breaking up Wings, it's full of strange experiments that occasionally work amazingly well. "Coming Up," "Summer's Day Song" and "One Of These Days" are all great songs, completely void of the usual antiseptic sheen of Paul's post-RAM work. "Frozen Jap" and "Front Parlour" are pleasantly out-of-character instrumentals. You'll want to skip the rest of the LP, though, especially "Waterfalls" and "Darkroom."

Also C: "Jet," "Too Many People," "Let Me Roll It," "Spin It On" (Wings go thrash!)

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, yeah, I do love 'pipes of peace' and 'simply having...' too.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't forget C moon!

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Or "Rock Show"!

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

WINGSPAN shall be my chosen listening today.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I recently rediscovered my 'all the best' cassette that my dad gave me one christmas when I'd asked for george michael's 'faith.'

good old dad.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:21 (sixteen years ago) link

1987.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link

RJG, your story moves me.

the pinefox, Friday, 14 February 2003 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Bizarrely, I bought that for my dad. It's one of the few compilations to celebrate the Frog Chorus. Not even the three-dimensional slipcase makes up for that oversight on WINGSPAN.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link

: )

I don't think I've even seen a copy of WINGSPAN in a record store.

I reminded my dad about the 'all the best'-for-christmas thing on friday night when we were in a car. he didn't really remember. he said "and why did she [my mum] buy you that instead?" and I told him again and he understood. then he asked "and why did you want 'faith'??" and the answer was...I was six...I had seen it advertised on television.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i second 1985; that song is really fun... when i was a kid, i used to really enjoy making up stupid lyrics to "let me roll it" like, um, "i can't tell you how i sneeze, my nose is like a breeze - let me blow it"... somehow that joke never got old for me!

dave k, Sunday, 16 February 2003 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link

WINGSPAN seems to be on special offer everywhere now. But tread carefully, some of them have boring two-dimensional sleeves. I see there is also a WINGSPAN book available, which must be a real treat. More alarmingly, I saw a bootleg of something called the ROCKESTRA in action. I thought ROCKESTRA was just a piece of music, but no. Fortunately, the bootleg was really expensive, so I didn't get it.

Yes, COMING UP is great.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Here's the book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316860328/qid=1045408789/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_3_1/026-5101041-0610836

It's an intimate scrapbook.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Miller, you're wrong. I've NEVER seen WINGSPAN on special offer ANYWHERE.

Capitals are the new italics.

the pinefox, Sunday, 16 February 2003 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=4235268501&Code2=85&prodID=338673

If that's not a special offer I'll EAT MY HAT. Note controversial opinion expressed herein: the best solo Paul McCartney work did not appear until FLOWERS IN THE DIRT. Before anyone rushes to order it, please note that it appears to be two-dimensional.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link

"Every Night" from the first solo album is an idyll of a song, very "Railways Conserve The Environment" 1970 (as opposed to, you know, RADICAL 1970) indeed. I'd have liked it if he'd written "Come And Get It" slightly later so it could be his first solo single, because it's better than "Another Day", or if he'd written it slightly earlier so it could be a Beatles single, because it's better than "Hello Goodbye". The promo film for "Helen Wheels" is fantastically evocative. "Hi Hi Hi" is better than "My Ding-A-Ling" precisely because it *isn't* "in the tradition of the music hall" (the hilarious reason given by the ultra-conservative Charles Curran-era BBC as to why it was still playing Chuck Berry's lowpoint when it had banned the Wings song in December 1972). It's also better than "C Moon", the glorified B-side which stole the airplay.

I used to listen to my mum's copy of "All The Best" all the time. On vinyl, too.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Spies Like Us.

amazing.

Love Coming Up and C Moon too.

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Every Night is wonderful. I have a fondness for the Pipes of Peace that might be spoiled by listening to it again. I wasn't the only 9 year old to have it in my class. I liked 'The Man' off that (w/Michael Jackson) a lot.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

You should give Pipes of Peace a listen and Report Back, N. The tablas make it curiously modern in the current climate. And the sentiments are obv. very much in vogue.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Following on from Robin's wishes for Macca to write songs a bit earlier... I've always had this strange dream that the four Fabs actually sat down at some point in early 70, said "Let's forget about 'let it be' and make one final fine EP, one song each..." and they end up doing "Instant Karma", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "Isn't it a pity?" and "It don't come easy". Now that would have been good.

And then I wake up.

I had "All the best" on CD for many years, never listened to it, but I'll agree that "Venus and Mars" is a neglected classic, as is the first McCartney LP, very primitive but rather homely.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 17 February 2003 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

nick has heard PIPES OF PEACE again, recently--maybe he just didn't notice/doesn't remember.

I had dreams about WINGSPAN last night. or it featured in my last night's dreams. I think it was really big and cost one hundred and twenty-five pounds or twenty-five pounds and was sealed in plastic and didn't tell me the tracklisting.

record shopping w/ allyC, yesterday, we saw many mccartney/wings albums. WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND looked OK but was on cassette and three pounds fifty.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

SPEED OF SOUND is one of the weaker Wings efforts, I think. "Wino Junko," "Must Do Something About It," "Cook of The House"...no thanks. "Time To Hide" and "Beware My Love" are OK in a '70s AOR sort of way, though.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

'silly love songs' must redeem all.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't hate that much of his studio solo stuff (don't love it either, most of it) but that new live album...the man's lost his voice and won't quit trying. Please, please stop, Paul, for your own sake. You suck like Billy Joel.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 February 2003 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I meant the Pipes of Peace album, RJG. I heard only two tracks off it in your car.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link

There's a PIPES OF PEACE album?!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

It is not all remixes of the title track, sadly.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

It has 'Say Say Say'!

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Are those the two tracks you heard in the car?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. It was RJG's famous 'All the best'. But I think 'The Man' is also 'the best'. 'Average Person' is not so good, as I recall.

Does anyone else like 'Hope of Deliverance'? I think it has a haunting melody.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. It's on heavy rotation in my head, helping me face up to the darkness that surrounds us.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

N, did you know that eric stewart of 10cc played on the Pipes of Peace album?

p.s. 'for your love'+'bus stop'=gouldman.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I was thinking of Bobby Gould.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Wasn't Pipes of Peace the one with Stanley Clarke?

dleone (dleone), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Weren't you actually thinking of Graham Gouldman, Nick?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, a mixed solo/Wings career, yet on the whole good I would say; the 1970-75 period produced generally excellent records, likewise 1978-83 (though not the poor 'Back to the Egg'...). 'McCartney II' (his best 'solo' album; most experimental and consistently engaging) & 'Pipes of Peace' (some lovely McCartney pop here) are very underrated albums. 'Tug of War''s best material is much as fine, yet it has some glaringly awful tracks which let it down. 'Red Rose Speedway', of the Wings era, is overlooked; probably the most Beatles-esque of all his post-Beatles albums, with a splendid 'Abbey Road'-like medley to close. Also 'Single Pigeon', 'When the Night' & 'One More Kiss' are deceptively slight, charming compositions. 'My Love' is a majestic McCartney ballad with wonderful guitar breaks... 'Little Lamb Dragonfly' ornate and richly produced melancholy.
'Venus and Mars' (increasingly getting some credit; good to see) and 'Band on the Run' are excellent as well. As is 'Ram' of course, a one-off record, pre-Wings, and yet with a superbly ramshackle focus to it; some very good material - a far better whole than 'McCartney'. 'London Town' - overlooked classic, with mostly fine material; 'I'm Carrying' is sublime... some good upbeat numbers here as well.
So, all of the above 'Classic' really... oh, plus 'We All Stand Together'; light-hearted whimsy given grandeur and grace... 'Once Upon a Long Ago'; amusing, quotable lyrics; a great production, sound and musical invention; fine single. 'Golden Earth Girl'; far and away ahead of most of 'Off the Ground', a majestic, atmospheric song. 'Wanderlust'; prime McCartney, would have graced a Beatles record... indeed George Martin's production and the arranging of the counter-melody harmonies bolster what is already a fine song into something special... 'Tug of War'; a song that gets in your head - brilliantly conceived melody and again production.

Dud: 'Wings at the Speed of Sound', 'Flaming Pie', 'Driving Rain' (a little better than 'FP'), 'Press to Play' (interesting yet not successful experimentation from Macca in 1986...) & 'Back to the Egg' (consistently average, only 'Old Siam Sir' makes any real impression).

Many albums of his i'm mixed about... yet, overall 'Classic', I maybe go towards this strongly as the general consensus is so unfairly a 'dud' opinion. You have to look deep into his work, and will find much that is good...

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Macca on tour alert! Let's all go! Hits BCN at the end of March, must be in a town near you around about the same time. Well, same year. Hopefully I will be in a different town by then, but I might come back specially.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Only if people promise to biggie up 'Waterfalls'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

why did ally cook lie and say he'd answered this thread?

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link

OK. Given All The Best by father also. Heard it again in Richard's car. Silly Love Songs perfect. I like other songs also.

Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link

So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it

Too late, it was in the issue with Santana on the cover.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

No one mentioned 'Arrow Through Me' from Back to the Egg. Other than that, side one of 'Ram', 'Maybe I'm Amazed', bits of McCartney II... yikes, though. yikes.

If one's scratching one's head about how badly Paul's solo cheese wears on the nerves, try the following experiment: program disc one of the white album to only play Paul's tracks. Starts off okay but the unrelenting 'Ob-la-di' to 'Martha My Dear' to 'Blackbird', by the time it gets to 'Rocky Racoon' you'll be clawing your face off.

Jon Leidecker, Thursday, 27 February 2003 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

'So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it'

Search ILM for 'Coming Up' and see how many times I've mentioned it, and how far back these mentions go. Absolute classic

dave q, Friday, 28 February 2003 11:20 (sixteen years ago) link

"Search ILM for 'Coming Up' and see how many times I've mentioned it, and how far back these mentions go. Absolute classic."

It should be mentioned that it's the MCCARTNEY II version that should be considered "classic." The live version, which Columbia released as a single in the US, pales in comparison (though there's a very strange meteor-shower synth break toward the end).

Am I the only person who thinks BACK TO THE EGG is almost the equal of BAND ON THE RUN/VENUS & MARS? Probably.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 February 2003 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

McArtney & Ram are classic. Everything up through Venus & Mars was great (but not classic), and everything since then has been a bit dodgy. Paul can definitely come on like a real lounge singer/Muzak tape most of the time.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

That's far too sweeping a statement; there is much good in his post-1975 work... 'London Town', 'McCartney II' at least are neglected triumphs for me; and 'Pipes of Peace' and 'Tug of War' are largely very good. Otherwise, certainly a bit patchy as regards consistency in his albums, but good material is there; if being more difficult to find.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

McCartney solo would fit better in a S/D thread than a C/D thread, because it depends a lot on which album.

Most obvious cases of search:
"Tug Of War", "Flowers In The Dirt", "Band On The Run", "Venus And Mars"

Destroy:
"Wild Life", "McCartney II", "Press To Play", "Wings At The Speed Of Sound", "Pipes Of Peace".

Other than the disastrous "Wild Life", even the worst albums contain at least one or two great tracks each though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link

You should give Pipes of Peace a listen and Report Back, N. The tablas make it curiously modern in the current climate. And the sentiments are obv. very much in vogue.

The production on that album is definitely classy, but the songs are just too weak for it to avoid the dustbin. "Tug Of War" has the same marvellous production, and contains almost exclusively great songs. (Yes, even "Ebony & Ivory" isn't that bad, really)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Only if people promise to biggie up 'Waterfalls'.

"Waterfalls" is the only really good song on that album. "Coming Up" is a dud IMO. Just because John Lennon liked it doesn't automatically mean it was good (in fact, most of Lennon's solo work sucked anyway)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link

The lyric: 'I acted like a dustbin lid!' never ceases to crease my features in laughter. This is from 'The Other Me', one of many enjoyable pop songs on 'Pipes of Peace'. Give it a listen in a light-hearted mood I suggest, and it will reward.
'Tug of War': indeed 'Ebony & Ivory' is pretty decent, certainly likeable, admirable in tune and sentiment, if no McCartney (or indeed Wonder) masterpiece single. 'Wanderlust' is utterly beautiful; surely appreciated by any Beatles fans looking for the inventive balladeering of his heyday in that group...
'Tug of War' has some *awful* tracks though, IMO; 'What's that you're do-ing?' (which goes on for nearly *7* minutes) and 'Get It'.

'Flowers in the Dirt' has a far worse production than 'Pipes of Peace'; it really lacks focus and sympathy for the songs. There is some fine material on there, but much of it is middling.

Do *not* destroy 'McCartney II'... it's a revelation frankly! Such a massive step up from 'Back to the Egg' and more cohesive and compelling I believe than 'McCartney' (though 'Junk' & 'Every Night' are sublime). It is McCartney very interestingly going down the route of electronic music; which sadly he didn't continue so much on his next two (nevertheless good) albums. 'Summer's Day Song' is among McCartney's most beautiful, as is 'Waterfalls'... 'Frozen Jap' and 'Front Parlour' see a Kraftwerk-type influence beautifully used to make jaunty, expressively melancholic electronic pieces. 'Dark Room' is oddball in a great manner... 'One of these Days' is a masterful close to the album.

'Press To Play' possibly does... but it is mis-produced and really inadequate in its music and songwriting (will have to give it another chance, mind).
I fully agree on 'Wings at the Speed of Sound'; apart from 'Silly Love Songs' (a badly produced and sounding recording of it) and the towering pop of 'Le 'Em In', it is a seriously mediocre record and the one with the most detrimental influence of the other Wings members.
'Ram', 'Band on the Run', 'Red Rose Speedway' and 'Venus and Mars' are unreservedly recommended as an fine early quartet of albums.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

'Tug of War' has some *awful* tracks though, IMO; 'What's that you're do-ing?' (which goes on for nearly *7* minutes) and 'Get It'.

Wouldn't call any of them awful. Although they are clearly tracks that seem like partly failed attempts to copy his duet partner's musical styles.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

'Flowers in the Dirt' has a far worse production than 'Pipes of Peace'

I love the production on that one too. But, then again, I enjoy most of what Mitchell Froom and Trevor Horn/Stephen Lipson have ever done sonically.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmmm, I may need to listen to 'FitD' again, as it is a while since I heard it, but it just didn't impress me with its production. Is it actually Horn himself involved?

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it actually Horn himself involved?

The hits are mainly produced by Mitchell Froom (Crowded House, Suzanne Vega, early 90s Elvis Costello). But Trevor Horn produced "How Many People" and "Figure Of Eight"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

'Figure of Eight', 'Distractions' and 'Put it There' seemed to me the best overall songs there... thinks like 'You want her too' and 'My Brave Face' are *good*, but somehow sound unwieldy to me.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
i have heard that 'temporary secretary' is a good song. and, 'secret friend', i think?

i have heard neither, and know very little about mccartney solo. what are these songs like?

gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, how come nobody ever talks about Firemen?

dleone (dleone), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Especially since it was a collaboration with Youth. Alex in NYC to thread to honour the fire!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Apart from 'Coming Up', solo McCartney's about as appealing as a whack on the head from Heather's falsie.

russ t, Monday, 24 March 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

"Coming Up" is the most overrated of his solo material. However, every single one of his solo albums has contained at least 1-2 really classy wonderful melodic ballads, which remains what he is best at.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i just bought 'ram' last weekend for $3 and so far it's great. the way linda mccartney's voice is processed is totally fucked. i've always dismissed post-beatles mccartney unfairly - this stuff is really great lo-fi pop/psychedelia. olivia tremor control sound more like this than the beatles, i think.
i should get the first one (with the bowl of cherries on the cover) next....

j fail (cenotaph), Monday, 24 March 2003 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

What about 'Back in the World/U.S.' ? Backstage hi-jinks are promised.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I got 'Back in the U.S.' from ASDA but I don't like it very much. It hasn't got as little booklet in it. Is this an oversight on the part of ASDA or PAUL McCARTNEY? The singing is bloody awful and there is too much emphasis on crowd shots. On the plus side, said crowd shots do make me feel very young.

Would anyone care to share their thoughts? You can make them up if you like. I'm just trying to get better value for money.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i have spent the last few days listening to a large amount of this stuff; of course as a kid I was a huge, huge Beatles fan but by the time I got to the solo records, I pretty quickly realized that aside from the obvious classics (plastic ono band, ram), they weren't really for me. The last McCartney album I bought was the Give My REgards to Broadstreet soundtrack. Anyway, Off the Ground: largely pretty bad. Flowers in the Dirt: some great songs but bad performances and annoying production. Press to Play: meh, bad. The surprise for me was Flaming Pie which really is as good as fans were saying it was when it came out; the jeff lyne chunkachunk production works pretty well for him; these songs are all mostly slow or acoustic and let the melodies show though. It's the kind of sophisticated album someone of his age should be making. A lot of Driving Rain is pretty good too but some of it isn't. Run Devil Run is fun but maybe not quite as good as I want it to be. If he's really been working in LA with Jason Faulkner, I'm excited to hear that stuff if it ever comes out, because McCartney is pretty much ripe for some kind of revival, the guy is capable of writing wonderful tunes, his lyrics let him down sometimes. Maybe Rick Rubin should do his next album.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

the other thing that is surprising to me is that no-one ever stops him when he's making these bad albums (or bad songs on relatively good albums). I mean, no-one in the studio stops and says, "dude, that song is terrible. stop."? no-one at the lable refuses to release it? I mean, he's only damaging himself and he can do better. I guess no-one says no to the guy who wrote Yesterday.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Jason Falkner? I thought I read somewhere that he is currently working with Mitchell Froom.

Your last comment is OTM btw.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 25 November 2004 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the album is being produced by nigel goodrich; faulkner might be involved in this (first google search yielded this).

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

From the Billboard article:
Falkner Eyes Solo Album, Plays With McCartney

Versatile pop-rocker Jason Falkner, five years removed from the release of his last full-length solo album, "Can You Still Feel?" (Elektra), is nearing completion of its follow-up while balancing multiple side projects and musical endeavors.

Among his recent musical adventures was a recording session earlier this year in Los Angeles with rock legend Paul McCartney. "That was amazing," Falkner tells Billboard.com. "It was just me and Paul and this drummer, James Gadson, who was the original drummer for Bill Withers."

Falkner was called into the sessions by producer Nigel Godrich (who produced "Can You Still Feel?") and he played guitar on a number of songs with McCartney. "He's doing different sessions with different producers," Falkner says of the former Beatle, "but nobody knows ... if those sessions are gonna be his record."

McCartney wasn't familiar with his collaborator's musical history when they met, so Falkner gave him a copy of "Bedtime With the Beatles," the instrumental children's lullaby album Falkner released through Sony/Wonder in 2001. He admits it "blew his mind" after McCartney gave him a glowing review of the disc the next time they met.


If one suspects (as I do) that Falkner has been disappointed/angry/disgruntled over the way the industry has treated him these last several years, essentially reducing him to a sideman/cover-artist/enhancer-of-others'-work, it follows that the Paul love must do his heart good. A moral victory of some sort, I suppose.

The larger point, though, is interesting, regarding Falkner/Godrich working with Paul for material that may or may not be on his next album — it's exactly what you'd expect from Paul, that searching, persistence and sort of endless curiosity. It's funny — because it's exactly what makes Paul's output so maddenly elusive, frustrating and inconsistent for some, while making others (well, me) love him so. For the latter crowd, he's the quintessential restless artist, which is why so many are still waiting for—expecting even—that late-period masterpiece.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

that late-period masterpiece
But NTI, didn't he already deliver that with Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio, by Paul McCartney and Carl Davis?

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I think you mean Standing Stone.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Perhaps, although it appears that by this time Macca had ditched Carl Davis as collaborator and replaced him with a new guy, somebody named Foster.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

True.

Seriously, though — even those (what I assume are) half-assed "serious" works don't come off remotely as pompous and ill-considered as those of, say, Billy Joel, Paul Simon or—most embarrassingly—Elvis Costello. Where those guys seem to be deluding themselves about where their talents lie and what constitutes "serious" composition (as if pop doesn't), with McCartney, the impetus behind his experiments in pop or otherwise has always seemed like geniune curiosity and a love for music. I mean, you can almost hear him going, "Oh yes, well, that's interesting. Perhaps it's something I can try," whether it's him doing a take on Little Richard ("Long Tall Sally", "Get On the Right Thing"), Eno ("Summer's Day Song"), The Orb (his Fireman project), Joplin ("Honey Pie"), Steely Dan ("Arrow Through Me"), John Lennon ("Too Many People"), Brian Wilson ("Back Seat of My Car"), Elvis Costello ("Getting Closer"), or whoever else. The orchestral pieces—which I've never heard, btw—seem very much cut from that cloth.

At the end of the day, there are really just a handful of artists who are capable of pulling off this sort of thing with any measure of success (and no, Stephen Merritt, you're not one of them). So, I'll tolerate the misfires — even if there seem to be an awful lot of them in his discography.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, you make a good case my friend. And to tell the truth if there was a cherry-picked comp of the most interesting stuff as mentioned above, I'd be willing to listen to it, much more so than for his Spike collaborator.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Word.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, no-one in the studio stops and says, "dude, that song is terrible. stop."? no-one at the lable refuses to release it? I mean, he's only damaging himself and he can do better. I guess no-one says no to the guy who wrote Yesterday.

Yeah, otm. I've thought about this a bit myself. I mean, he's Paul McCartney. Even if someone did have the balls to tell him his songwriting was pants, he'd probably just think "What a retard. I'm PAUL MCCARTNEY."

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

He's already got them running scared if they, say, want to have a hamburger for lunch.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Unless too early to be considered, "Tug Of War" was his late-period masterpiece. And "Flowers In The Dirt" was damn close too.

Still waiting for something that tops his two great 80s albums, but "Flaming Pie" was close.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Aside from a few tracks, didn't really care for FP, its Steve Miller jams and the like. Maybe worth a dl, though...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

it's good!

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 26 November 2004 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how about simply going through his solo output then (oratorios and electronica not counted):

"McCartney":
Somewhat patchy stuff. Extremely underproduced, but certainly contains some great stuff. "Maybe I'm Amazed" and "Junk" remain among his classics.

"Ram"
Already on his second solo effort he was able to come up with a truly great album. "Ram" is great most of the way through, with the title track, "Uncle Albert", "Too Many People" and others all among his best work. Classic!

"Wild Life"
Helpless stuff. Kind of charming in how he tries to pull it off, but he ends up helplessly lame through most of the album. "Dear Friend" is an OK response to "How Do You Sleep", and also the best tune on the album. The rest is rubbish. Dud, although the CD version includes "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" which helps a lot.

"Red Rose Speedway"
Not my favourite moment, although it was a huge leap in the right direction from "Wild Life". The medley at the end is kind of weird. "My Love" is of course a classic, but there's not a lot of classic stuff. Also here, however, the CD bonus tracks helps a lot, "C Moon" and "Hi Hi Hi" both being great songs.

"Band On The Run"
Sort of generally recognized as his best solo moment. Personally, I cannot quite agree with that, but still, this is a great album. "Jet" and the title track are sort of the recognized classics here, but I would also like to throw in a word for "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vanderbilt". And, yes, btw, classic!

"Venus And Mars"
The only way he has ever managed to follow up a great solo album with another great one. "Venus And Mars" isn't a lot behind, maybe somewhat more patchy, but it contains such gems as "Rock Show", the beautiful (but way too short) title track, "Listen To What The Man Said" and "Love In Song". Classic!

"Wings At The Speed Of Sound"
"Silly Love Songs" is not my favourite McCartney moment. "Let'em In" is kind of OK, but with the non-singles being so obviously below-par, this is not classic stuff. The other members had way too much input here, and their tracks are dragging the entire effort down. Dud!

"London Town"
His most sonically polished effort so far, and actually not too bad. Certainly, there are moments that aren't quite up there, but tracks such as "With a Little Luck" and the title track are among his best.

"Back To The Egg"
Following an OK effort with another OK effort. I am not to keen on Christ Thomas' way too raunchy production, but there are some great songs in here. I am particularly fond of "Baby's Request", one of his better ballads.

"McCartney II"
McCartney doing synthpop might not have been that much of a bad idea, but the trouble he just doesn't cope. "Temporary Secretary" is a nice attempt that simply just doesn't work. "Coming Up" is annoying and his possibly most overrated moment since "Helter Skelter". "Waterfalls" saves the album though, bad production, but still great tune.

"Tug Of War"
IMO, this is his best ever moment as a soloist. George Martin's polished production gave sort of a 10cc feel to it that really fit his music. The songs are his best ever, and there is hardly a weak track here. "Here Today", "Somebody Who Cares", "The Pound Is Sinking", "Wanderlust" and the title track are all among the best he ever wrote (and I also count his best Beatles efforts here). Absolutely classic!!!

"Pipes Of Peace"
A failed attempt to followup "Tug Of War". Most of the songs here lack character and sound like any MOR song would. There are exceptions though, with "The Man" (a lot better than "Say Say Say", the other Michael Jackson duet on the album) and the title tracks being obvious highlights.

"Press To Play"
An attempt at a "different" album that just didn't work out. Most of the tracks here are rubbish. Still, even at his worst, McCartney managed to come up with a great leadoff single in "Press", and one of his best ever ballads in "Only Love Remains". Still, dud!

"Flowers In The Dirt"
Other than "Tug Of War" I rank this as his best album. Somewhat more patchy, but with highlights that are up there with his best. "My Brave Face" may be one of his best ever solo singles, "This One", "You Want Her Too", "Put It There", "Distractions" and "Rough Ride" are all great songs. And it even contains a great mock-reggae song in "How Many People". Classic!

"Off The Ground"
Like "Back To The Egg", it suffers from a production somewhat too raunchy for my liking. And the tracks are weaker here too. I have never been into the rock'n'roll McCartney, and there is way too much of him here. At least "Golden Earth Girl" and "C'Mon People" are two classic McCartney ballad that leaves this album worth checking out anyway.

"Flaming Pie"
Although it lacks the classic song, this album is a pleasant collection of pleasant pop songs, shaped a lot by Jeff Lynne. While it is not my favourite McCartney album, it is not hard to understand why this became his bestselling solo album in years.

"Driving Rain"
Somewhat more patchy again, although this album too has its moment. The title track is notably strong, and there are also (as usual) a couple nice ballads here. Still not a classic though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 27 November 2004 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"Baby's Request" is horrible! One of those horrible attempts at writing and oldtimey song for old people, ergh. A lot of the rest of "Back to the Egg" turned out to be a bit of a revelation, what w/its awful cover/name I'd mentally filed it as his worst record, in fact about half of it's great ("Getting Closer", "Arrow Through Me", "To You", the Rockestra stuff, "Old Siam, Sir", prob one of those medley songs is Ok but I don't get why he did that on EVERY rec). And suddenly I realise I'm gonna end up buying all his damn postBeatles recs, cos they're prob at least Ok and HE IS PAUL MCCARTNEY. Oh well.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 27 November 2004 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost:
Can we get NTI back in here to do a similar rundown?

Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 27 November 2004 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha, my pleasure:

"McCartney":
Fucking brilliant. Some say underproduced, I say an absolute masterpiece of minimalist pop songcraft. In addition to perhaps the only solo track worthy of The Beatles ("Maybe I'm Amazed", of course), it has several minor gems--"Every Night", "Singalong Junk" (better as this instrumental version, I think)--but also tracks like "Hot As Sun/Glasses", which reveal a keen grasp of impressionist abstraction. A remarkable deconstruction of The Beatles' lavish pop structures.

"Ram"
In which McCartney very consciously puts it back together again. Not a bad thing, though, because the songwriting is sharp and the maximalist lo-fi production enticing. In addition to the pop prog of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" and "Back Seat of My Car", the record has almost too many highlights: the stomping "Too Many People", the additive layers of "Ram On" and "Dear Boy", the slapback nonsense of "Eat At Home" and rustic whimsy of "Heart of the Country" and "Long Haired Lady" -- track for track, his melodic acuity would rarely be this consistent again. The worst that can be said about it is that its pleasures are a touch superficial. Still, one of his best.

"Wild Life"
Charming in places, but tossed-off and inessential. Opening improv, "Mumbo", is a smoking rocker, but the best tracks are, surprisingly, simple duets with Linda: "Some People Never Know", "Tomorrow", as well as "Dear Friend" (which goes on a bit long). Best song is the UK bonus track, "Mama's Little Girl", a ghostly, staggeringly beautiful ballad not unlike "Blackbird", but with lush Wings vocals, if you like that sort of thing. I kinda do.

"Red Rose Speedway"
A favorite of Macca fanatics. None of the songs mean a goddamn thing, and Paul was almost audibly stoned to the gills on this one, but almost all the tracks are melodically sharp. "Big Barn Bed" has a great ensemble vocal chorus, "My Love" is shimmering, "Get On The Right Thing" is Little Richard at run through the Gold Star reverb chamber. Elsewhere, there's a serviceable C&W riff ("One More Kiss"), an appealing light ballad ("Single Pigeon"), a lazy lite one ("When the Night"), and two medleys -- one ("Little Lamb/Dragonfly") utterly gorgeous, with the other sounding like he orchestrated a worktape. Not a bad thing, really.

"Band On The Run"
Honestly? The least exciting of his "classic" solo records, largely because it lacks almost any trace of the carelessness that makes his solo work frustrating but exciting, given that we're talking about someone with the skills of McCartney. Still, "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five" is a blast, as is the "If we ever get out of here" section of the title track, and "Let Me Roll It" positively aches. Other moments are enjoyable, but oddly hollow.

"Venus And Mars"
A prototypical McCartney record -- brilliant and fun in places, it's also larded with utter garbage. The brilliant stuff starts with the title track, its reprise in particular, which ends with a lysergic vocal tag that fucking shimmers with a Wilsonian grace. In addition, the eastern-tinged "Love In Song" is gorgeous, "Magneto and Titaneum Man" a shuffling blast, and "Listen To What the Man Said" fun. But where "Letting Go" shows Macca embracing 70s rock with gusto, "Rock Show" is fairly plodding arena rock fare expressly designed for the then-upcoming Wings Over America tour. Oh, and there's the first of his "Old people make me sad" songs. Still, significantly more good than bad.

"Wings At The Speed Of Sound"
Totally disagree with Geir here, because "Let 'Em In" might be the quintessential McCartney single -- in addition to a sharp lyric and sticky tune, the unrelenting piano ostinato and revolutionary war piccolo riff are weird to the point of obsessive. What's the best fuck you to critics in history? An easy listening smash -- "Silly Love Songs". Both tracks are just fucking subversive. Other than these and the startling ballad "Warm And Beautiful", things are thin -- "The Note You Never Wrote" would be great if it were McCartney not Denny singing, "Beware My Love" seems like it should be better than it is, and the otherwise snappy "She's My Baby" errs in repeating "Moppin' it up!" a bit too much -- ick. The idea of letting the band chime in was...not good.

I'll get to the rest in a few...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 27 November 2004 07:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"London Town"
All over the map, but largely in a good way. McCartney's definitely settling into a groove here, with a lush, orchestrated sound that aims less for transcendence than straightforward pop appeal with dabs of experimentation here and there. Highlights include the stately title track and "With A Little Luck", a classic MOR ballad, but also the oddball "Backwards Traveller" and "I'm Carrying", one of his most moving acoustic guitar ballads.

"Back To the Egg"
Though its quasi-conceptual ambitions are far from fully realized, this is probably the best Wings record. He just does everything here--Armed Forces-era Elvis C. ("Getting Closer"), Aja-era Steely Dan ("Arrow Through Me"), Ray Charles ("After the Ball")--and his voice never sounded better. Even the failures are interesting (in theory, anyway), particularly his rock orchestra experiment ("Rockestra" which includes the likes of Pete Townshend and John Paul Jones), as well as the two impressionistic medleys on side two. Another favorite amongst McCartney fanatics and for good reason.

"McCartney II"
Where the first McCartney record embraced a rustic back-to-basics approach, the second volume reflected the advancement of the DIY aesthetic he had unknowingly midwifed. A decade before, Emmitt Rhodes had mimicked McCartney's go-it-alone approach and sound; by 1980, synthesizers were beginning to make possible albums that were truly "solo," from Eno to post-punk to Steve Winwood, whose Arc of a Diver would take its cue from this record in proving that an artist could make a complete pop statement (however minor) all by his lonesome.

Continuing the experimental tack of Egg, McCartney II reflects an awareness of these developments and includes at least four McCartney classics -- the snappy "Coming Up", the melancholy (and bizarre) "Waterfalls", the Eno-flavored "Summer's Day Song" and haunting ballad "One Of These Days". For all the excitement surround the experiments that work, the record also has a collection of interesting-to-mediocre synth instrumentals and aimless drum box jams that don't, making it clear he had an affinity for some DIY developments and merely an interest in others.

Gotta go to bed. I'll try to do "Tug of War", "Press To Play" and "Flowers In the Dirt McGirt" tomorrow...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 27 November 2004 08:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"Tug Of War"
Possibly his most overrated record, but that's understandable given its origins (produced by George Martin) and proximity to Lennon's death. In reality, the record's only differentiating characteristic with its predecessors is its questionable quality. There are undeniable moments of beauty and grace ("Wanderlust", the opening of the title track), as well as inspired eclecticism ("The Pound Is Sinking", the wistful rockabilly of "Get It" with Carl Perkins segue into vocoder link track "Be What You See"). But there is also uncomfortably hamfisted balladry ("Ebony", the plodding middle section of the title track, the disappointing Lennon tribute "Here Today" among others). Part of the blame goes to Martin, who even on the super-catchy hit single, "Take It Away", imposes a supersession lite MOR production that does the material no favors. Frustrating in a lot of ways, because it feels like it should be better than it is.

"Pipes of Peace"
I don't really know it, and what I've heard hasn't really inspired me to pick it up.

"Press To Play"
Ah, the sleeper in his catalogue. The concept was simple: Paul McCartney does mid-80s synth rock a la Genesis and Phil Collins — a terrible idea that ultimately sold like crap. But clearly McCartney heard something symphonic in the production of those records, so he the man responsible for them, Hugh Padgham. Assembling a veritable who's who of the scene (including Collins, SNL saxman Lenny Pickett, Pete Townshend, as well as arrangers Tony Visconti and Art of Noise orchestrator Anne Dudley), writing a patch of tracks with 10cc's Eric Stewart, he set about making his Invisible Touch.

And in truth, unlike Tug of War, most of it works, though in a dated kind of way. "Good Times Comin'/Feel the Sun" bristles with energy and "Only Love Remains" is a solid McCartney piano ballad, while "Press" (about pleasuring his wife) and "Talk More Talk" show Paul excelling at pre-sequenced synth textures. Still, it's the tracks with Stewart that shine brightest; "Stranglehold" and "Footprints" are an ebbulient rocker and haunting atmospheric ballad respectively, but "However Absurd", with its helium bridge and pounding metallic piano, is stunning. There are misfires—the quasi-aboriginal "Pretty Little Head", the pointless "Angry"—but as genre exercises go, the record is fairly brilliant.

"Flowers In The Dirt"
Where Press To Play felt inspired, this feels a bit aimless, as if he didn't know what he wanted to do exactly. Apart from the brilliant Irish gospel of "That Day Is Done", the much-heralded Costello collaborations are overhyped, while those with Trevor Horn are outright disappointing. Plus, several tracks employ plodding arena rock productions that ruin the material. Still, there are moments where McCartney's songwriting shines through: the ebbulient "This One" has a sharp tune, "Put It There" is a charming ode to fatherhood, and "My Brave Face" almost transcends its overproduction. But it's all over the place, and not in a good way.

Beyond that, I don't really know any of his 90s records more than to say "Off the Ground" sounded fairly dreadful, "Flaming Pie" flat and "Driving Rain"...okay. I still haven't quite given up on him, though.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 27 November 2004 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

This makes me want to hear Press To Play:

"However Absurd", with its helium bridge and pounding metallic piano, is stunning

This doesn't:

"Press" (about pleasuring his wife)

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 27 November 2004 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I have heard "All the Best" and "Flaming Pie" and they're quite nice

"Some say he was best with the Beatles" - classic

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Matthew you omitted major non-album singles

you maniac

(Jon L), Saturday, 27 November 2004 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Right. In summary, "Spies Like Us" eats ass.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 27 November 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey! Stopp dissing Mitchell Froom! He is, like the best producer of the past 15 years, and his productions on "Flowers In The Dirt" were really, really brilliant. I love how he would mix the drums in just one channel, reminiscent of 60s stereo sound, also love how he used a lot of mellotron and old electric pianos. Indeed, I love the entire classic vintage melodic pop approach that is found in his productions. He did even better with Crowded House, but "My Brave Face" is also an absolutely brilliant production!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 00:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Geir, I suppose you think his work with Richard Thompson was also "brilliant," ikke sant?

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 28 November 2004 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Indeed, I feel some of his work with Richard Thompson was maybe a bit too early. He hadn't quite found his style yet by then. The first Crowded House album isn't too strong production-wise either.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Rumour and Sigh quite a bit, actually. It's before Mitch's clank and drang production style hit full-tilt.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 05:51 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
new album news is out (maybe it's been out for a while). So what happened to Jason Faulkner?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 05:26 (fourteen years ago) link

(side story, think i've told it on ILM before?) my friend in LA had a big crush on Faulkner. at a bar she was wasted and told him she wanted to taste his fuck

The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 05:28 (fourteen years ago) link

!!

yuengling participle (rotten03), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i've hung out with jason a few years ago while he was in paris to work with air and have been friend with his brother, ryan (bez-like dancer with beck these days), since then and last time i met him, he told me jason was working with macca on the album, so...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:41 (fourteen years ago) link

at a bar she was wasted and told him she wanted to taste his fuck

Did he let her?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha — that article says it ain't out until September.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

My dad had a copy of the first McCartney LP so I grew up listening to that as much as the Beatles stuff. *Very* soft spot for it.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Looking forward to this.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Indeed...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link

McCartney III!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link

...perhaps.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

McCartney III - reloaded !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Paul should start doing Brian Wilson style tours where he does a whole album in its entirety as part of the show. Ram should be first up.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

...except it would almost certainly be Band On the Run instead. Boo...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

mc cartney going back behind the drum skins for the first time since the "spies like us" video!

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Paul McCartney II is one of the best albums of the 80s. I listened to it today -- Temporary Secretary is just flat-out incredible.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I once said "Temporary Secretary" sounds like Suicide.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

that out of tune guitar and keyboard loop is genius. i used to put that tune on mix tapes all the time.

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

You guys gotta hear the bootleg of the originally intended double album version of McCartney II!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link

"Temporary Secretary"'s backing track sounds like a sped-up version of Kraftwerk's "Numbers," which didn't even come out until the following year!

that one's a search, definitely

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link

in some other thread there is mention of a remix album someone has done of McCartney II tracks

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link

there is a "temporary secretary" remix that someone did. i heard that also. anyone know anything?

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link

How the heck is Here Today disappointing? That song is brilliant. both lyrically and musically it's beautiful!

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Thursday, 14 July 2005 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
His website - http://www.paulmccartney.com/main.html - has a track from the new album to consider: "Fine Line".

Must say, the song seems rather excellent, as if he really has upped his game. A more frenetic "Let 'Em In" for these times; typically McCartneyesque, yet with more intensity than he's had for decades. Fantastic ominous piano part... This is without question looks likely to be his finest album since "Tug of War".

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 7 August 2005 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
"Rock Show" is fairly plodding arena rock fare expressly designed for the then-upcoming Wings Over America tour.

I'd rather call it Badfinger-like powerpop. Which is a good thing.

Generally McCartney solo is at his best with a perfect and polished production, and at his worst when he overdoes his "do it yourself" aesthetic.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 November 2006 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...
"Arrow Through Me" is genius, GENIUS. Matthew Weiner OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

i've been loving the light disco of Goodnight Tonight lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izlsX4qLJcs

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:40 (twelve years ago) link

Use of the word "genius" reminds me of this...

McCartney II [Columbia, 1980]
Paulie's 1970 DIY sounded homemade--its unfinished musings intimated an appealingly modest freedom. This one was recorded on a sixteen-track with an engineer in attendance. The instrumentals are doodles, the songs demos by a man who scores the occasional hit only to prove he's genius. Which he isn't. C

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

"Paulie"

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

Next you'll have me defend "Pretty Little Head."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

Matthew, you had me until "'Mumbo is a smoking rocker..." "A" for effort, though.

Matthew you omitted major non-album singles

1971-85 only:

Yes: "Hi Hi Hi," "Live and Let Die," "I Lie Around," "Country Dreamer," "Junior's Farm," "Mull of Kintyre," "Daytime Nighttime Suffering," "Coming Up (live at Glasgow)," "I'll Give You a Ring," "My Carnival."

Ehh: "Another Day," "Little Woman Love," "C Moon," "Sally G," "Girls School," "Goodnight Tonight," "Lunch Box/Odd Sox," "Rainclouds," "Spies Like Us."

Nae: "Mary Had a Little Lamb," "The Mess," "Zoo Gang."

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:29 (twelve years ago) link

TELL ME TO PRESS!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

Oops, forgot "Oh Woman, Oh Why." Hearty Yes to that one.

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

Next you'll have me defend "Pretty Little Head."

Not me. I think he was at a low ebb compositionally on that album and the album before.

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:00 (twelve years ago) link

(Don't know if he came out of it after. I've never heard Flowers in the Dirt or Off the Ground.)

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

I have no idea how I've not posted on this thread. Huge, huge huge classic. NTI's album rundown kind of captures why, I think - moreso than any other rocker of his generation (exception perhaps Stevie Wonder?) Paul managed to keep knocking out middling-hit (at least) singles in support of middling-good albums that managed to each be distinctive in their own way.

For the fan, his discography is rich with oddities, one-offs, half-baked experiments, overly self-conscious experiments, fully successful experiments, frankly brilliant fusions, unexpected detours, really expected detours, shockingly good rockers, embarassingly boneheaded rockers, sappy ballads, crappy ballads, convincing instant-classic ballads, odes to mooses that use Morse Code, and "The cat in the satin trousers said it's oily." The guy is a one-man landscape of gut pop instincts crossed with idiosyncratic overthought left turns. And if you're satisfied by swingin' tunes and enthusiasm there's so, so, so much to love.

Since his albums have been pretty well-discussed here, let me give a heads-up to a few of his many, MANY unreleased gems and uncollected b-sides. In the category of rockers (whether of the pop, stomp, or 'blooze' variety) there's "Oh Woman Oh Why," ("Oh Darling" done right) "Girls' School," "A Love For You" (tho it goes on too long), "Rode All Night" (ditto), "Daytime Nighttime Suffering," "I'll Give You A Ring," "Back on My Feet" (really dated but great), "Cage" (love the calliope!), "Soily"....etc, etc, etc.....

Ballads: "Suicide" (fragmentary though it is), "Lindiana" (don't mind the awful title), "Love Come Tumbling Down," "My Little Koala Bear," (!!!), "Tragedy" (I think this is a cover),

For weird experiments etc, go for "Boil Crisis," followed immediately by "Waterspout," then "Robber's Ball," then all the unused McCartney II stuff, especially "Secret Friend" and "Mr. H Atom." The unused dancey stuff from the mid-80s is mostly dire (eg "PS Love Me Do") but there are some interesting diversions - "Atlantic Ocean" and "Ou Est Le Soleil" for example. At this point we're starting to get into stuff that's enjoyable mainly for how it adds to the "the man's insane" portrait: "B-Side To Seaside," "Little Woman Love," "Big Boys Bickering," and on and on....

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

I love how this thread seems to completely ignore Chaos & Creation In The Back Yard . Which is 95 % brilliant ( and I've never been a "rah! rah! McCartney! - type until before this album. Though I do love me some Wings.)

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:36 (twelve years ago) link

"Twin Freaks" Y'all!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:56 (twelve years ago) link

OTM about " Chaos & Creation In The Back Yard". I love the Beatles but have never liked too much Macca's solo output (own "Macca I & II", "band on the run" and "ram") but there is one album from him that I really like and listen to every now and then, it's "Chaos". Might be his best for me. and the best any beatle has released solo. even as good - although different - as some Beatles' stuff !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:02 (twelve years ago) link

Other good Macca threads where I express myself much more clearly than I do here (alert, Casino fans!):

Paul McCartney: Tug Of War

TS: Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" vs "Press to Play"

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

D.U.D

Luke Slater (Alan Bean), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

no. I like solo mccartney now more than I did when I was a kid and a huge beatles fan, weirdly.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

there is a "temporary secretary" remix that someone did. i heard that also. anyone know anything?

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-236705-1156668016.jpeg

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-236705-1156668016.jpeg

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:07 (twelve years ago) link

damnit

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=236705

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...
Paul McCartney II is one of the best albums of the 80s. I listened to it today -- Temporary Secretary is just flat-out incredible.

Temporary Secretary"'s backing track sounds like a sped-up version of Kraftwerk's "Numbers," which didn't even come out until the following year!
that one's a search, definitely



A Macca story i've heard recently regarding how the song 'Temporary Secretary' came about:

the lyrics go:

Mister Marks Can You Find For Me....

I Need A
Temporary Secretary, Temporary Secretary
Temporary Secretary, Temporary Secretary

The background information is that Howard Marks, one of the UKs largest cannabis importers, had a business in Carlisle Place, Soho, just around the corner from Macca's MPL office on Soho Square, with a 'front' of offering word processing and secretarial services as a money laundering facility (and lived there as well).

This is alleged to be a 'coy reference'.




Bob Six, Sunday, 25 March 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Macca with Beatles is of course unsurpassable, but my three favourite albums by him have all been released by Paul McCartney rather than Wings, so I guess I pick solo over Wings then.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

A friend and I have become obsessed with the late seventies studio-rock vibe of "Arrow Through Me," so gorgeously sung and arranged that it makes me wish he'd recorded more like it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

Just listened to "Golden Earth Girl" from "Off the Ground." The production is much better than the rest of the album and it has a real pretty melody- classic McCartney balladry. The lyrics are pretty bad, though. What I do is just pretend he's singing cool nonsense shit like on "Red Rose Speedway."

"Fish in a sunbeam, in eggshell eye" (Actually maybe he is just singing nonsense)

ColinO, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

"Distractions" from "Flowers in the Dirt" is another gorgeous one. The lyrics are even pretty good.! I dig the "And I Love Her" vibe of the guitar solo.

I've been in a hardcore McCartney phase for a couple months- so many overlooked gems in his catalogue.

ColinO, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

So now he's left EMI and signed to Starbucks' label!

or something!

Mark G, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

Or possibly Tarbuck's label.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

(Didn't he go to school w/ Lennon? or summat?)

Mark G, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

Oho! He was in the same class! If only Lennon had forsaken the drugs and politics and taken up the great game of golf instead, why he'd still be with us, turning out on a Weybridge Sunday morn with Brucie and Lynchie and Conneryy!

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:04 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"Arrow Through Me" is the awesomest. "Old Siam, Sir" is the second-most-awesomest. This would lead one to believe that "Back to the Egg" is amazing. It is not.

The best Paul solo song is "Monkberry Moon Delight," though.

Davey D, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe!

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

Sooo what might you know about that Macca II boot, Tim my man?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

I've pulled out McCartney II again, and I'm struck by how much some of the instrumentals remind me of Low.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

I've got an old vinyl 2xLp version. The sound quality is a little wonky, though not horrible. It's very interesting in many ways. There were more instrumentals and some other wacky tunes that were left off. Also, there was a lot of editing on that album and weird issues with tape speed manipulation (an interesting factor that goes back to things like "When I'm 64," doesn't it?). The final version of "Coming Up" is edited/pieced together, for example (and there's a longer version on this bootleg). Also, "Summer's Day Song" was an instrumental. Basically, my perspective is the thing pwns in its original form and you only got glimpses of that on the released version.

The thing about "Monkberry Moon Delight," though, is that it doesn't really stand out on Ram. You listen to that side and it's not a better composition than "Long Haired Lady" (there's an underrated one!) or "Back Seat of My Car." Ram just basically rules. It's got to be the most underrated album evah.

Oh, and "Listen to What the Man Said" sure sounded awesome on the car radio today.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

awesomes, thanks for the info.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

Oh man, I want to hear that boot! I bet that "Summer's Day Song" sounds eve MORE like "Warszawa" as an instrumental.

Totally OTM about Ram, also. Do you have the Thrillington album? I just got ahold of it and it's increasing my love of Ram immensely.

Every time I hear "Listen To What the Man Said," I love the song itself more and the soprano sax less...

Davey D, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/h0/h694.jpg

There's another Bogey song on the original, longer version of McCartney II called "Bogey Wobble."

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

(It's a synth instrumental.)

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Every time I hear "Listen To What the Man Said," I love the song itself more and the soprano sax less...

Ha, so true. I guess that was part of his whole 'we're recording this in N'Orleans thing' w/ Venus and Mars. The bgd vocals are compressed to shit on that song.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 28 April 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

terrible album anyway, except for listen to what the man said.

akm, Saturday, 28 April 2007 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

and magneto and titanium man and venus and mars/rock show and love in song and you gave me the answer at least.

Tim Ellison, Saturday, 28 April 2007 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

Subbing "Letting Go" for "You Gave Me the Answer," Tim OTM...

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 28 April 2007 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

dude, that's like a major macca thing - that song is transcendent and so is honey pie!

Tim Ellison, Saturday, 28 April 2007 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

those kinds of influences are lacking in his recent music, i think. i wish he would broaden his scope.

Tim Ellison, Saturday, 28 April 2007 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

I like "You Gave Me the Answer" fine -- and yes, the roaring twenties thing has a big place in Macca music. But it's not exactly a classic. "Letting Go" and the Brian-Wilson-In-Space of the "Venus and Mars" reprise on the other hand...

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 28 April 2007 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

"Letting Go" is almighty; so are the various live versions extant.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 28 April 2007 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

i was just thinking this morning about "the french thing" w/ "michelle" and how some people voted for that as worst beatles song. knowing the story (paul used to play something like it at parties given by one of john's art professors and girls would think, "oh, he's french!" and when they were making rubber soul john said, "you should do that french thing you used to do at so and so's parties") puts it in context.

anyway, the beatles used to seriously TAP INTO THINGS and i wish he would do that more now.

Tim Ellison, Saturday, 28 April 2007 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Venus and Mars very much strikes me as an album worth having the British remastered import of. The sound quality on the American version is really for shit. "Letting Go" sounds like it was mastered on a Maxell High Bias XLII.

And Tim, the problem? Guy's OLD. At a certain point, people aren't listening as much to other people, and in the 70s, he was clearly listening to everyone.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 28 April 2007 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

I have the Venus remaster and it is SO worth it. I really think that it's one of his finest moments. I love every song on it. I think it kills Band on the Run.. "Letting Go" is on of the few moments of actual McCartney pathos captured on record, I believe.

Davey D, Saturday, 28 April 2007 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

"Venus And Mars" is nice enough, but so is "Band On The Run" too. They are IMO his finest two 70s moments, although he has at least made three better albums later.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 28 April 2007 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

Is "Love In Song" also one of Paul's finest moments? More actual Macca emotion!

Davey D, Saturday, 28 April 2007 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

"Love In Song" is my favourite track on that album besides the way too short title track.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 28 April 2007 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

the remasters were good then? they got slagged by someone on amazon (not that there isn't always someone slagging remasters on there).

akm, Sunday, 29 April 2007 05:32 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't listened to either the American or the import CDs in ages (all my Macca is on vinyl now) but I recall the imports being worth it at LEAST just for the bonus tracks. Some of the US CDs had bonuses, but it was weirdly inconsistent, and the imports tended to all have a good chunk of contemporary A- and B-sides.

As far as Venus and Mars goes, it definitely deserves the love. "You Gave Me The Answer" isn't one of my favorites, but I'll let it in; "Magneto" is unstoppably fun. "Rock Show" is a little bit forced for most of its running time, but the "green metal suit" segment" and Paul's bizarre Southern hick impression at the end ("Now git yer dress on!") undo any damage done.

I'm also someone who tends to basically enjoy most of the songs written by Other members of Wings; "Cook of the House" notwithstanding they're mostly pretty okay. In this case I think "Medicine Jar" adds something very nice to the album, although it's not as dear to my heart as say "Wino Junko."

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

The remasters were good back then, and still sound nice today. But they were done before HDCD, mind you, so they aren't quite up to the standards of remasters fromt he past 6-7 years.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

the new one has leaked (not a very good rip though)...first listen shows it as pretty schlocky and overproduced, but it might be good, can't tell. it's not anything like Chaos and Creation though

akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 06:40 (twelve years ago) link

If some people consider it "overproduced", it sounds good. Generally, I find that none of his albums are overproduced, but way too many of them are underproduced.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 May 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.luckyscent.com/images/products/32401.jpg

Noodle Vague, Monday, 21 May 2007 10:10 (twelve years ago) link

well the tunes aren't very good either

akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 12:58 (twelve years ago) link

"Mama's Little Girl", a bonus track from "Wild Life" is underrated. It would stack up easily next to McCartney's best song on the White Album. Beautiful, creepy harmonies- perfect for some corny movie soundtrack...

"Wild Life", as an album, actually isn't that bad. At least it's interesting, compared to some of his stuff from the last twenty years. (Driving Rain, Off the Ground, etc.)

ColinO, Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

so I thought his catalogue was gonna be on iTunes?!?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

I thought I'd read originally that they were going to be on iTunes on May, 22nd, but after re-reading the May 15th press release it says "later in the month". So next Tuesday maybe?

darin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Press to Play just showed up on iTunes, but that's it. I'm assuming they're going to use the slow drip method of putting his catalog up.

darin, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

Press to play? Be still my beating lamp-post.

Mark G, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

the whole catalog is available at pretty much every service except itunes.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

JUST TELL ME TO PRESS

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

it's all going up next week, itunes is still setting up it's DRM-less deal, apparently.

akm, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, looks like it's all up now, with the curious exception of Ram.

darin, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

Half of the new album is wonderful, half of it is Macca trying too hard. At least he's trying, but there's some embarrassing stuff...

Davey D, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

Also missing: Wings At the Speed of Sound, Wings Over America.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

btw, there's a massive profile article on him in this week's New Yorker.

Johnny Hotcox, Thursday, 31 May 2007 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, it was very well done I thought. It's not online, but there's this

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2007/06/04/070604_meetingabeatle.mp3

Virginia Plain, Thursday, 31 May 2007 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, looks like it's all up now, with the curious exception of Ram.

And thus, prolly, no Thrillington either?

t**t, Thursday, 31 May 2007 08:42 (twelve years ago) link

that new video with mckenzie crook, ghosts - WTF ?

Geordie Racer, Thursday, 31 May 2007 08:52 (twelve years ago) link

Wings over America and London Town now up!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 31 May 2007 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

"vintage clothes"

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 31 May 2007 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

This was aimed at you, Tim, my love.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 31 May 2007 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

love you, alfred!

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 31 May 2007 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

The New Yorker interview is an excellent piece of writing. Lots of talk about death & loss and very little re: the new album itself, with Paul doing a lot of reminiscing throughout.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 1 June 2007 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

YEAH FUCKING DIE ALREADY YOU BLOATED, ARROGANT SHITFACE. god i hate paul mccartney.

the table is the table, Friday, 1 June 2007 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

another poster on this board and I were walking down the street and I said 'I'm really looking forward to the new album' and he says he says 'I hate that new mandolin song' and I say 'I actually like it more than anything on the last album' and he pauses for a moment and turns around and screams 'ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?'

Milton Parker, Friday, 1 June 2007 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

Taking sides: Mandolin vs. maudolin

Geir Hongro, Friday, 1 June 2007 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

OK. Got the album today. Nice enough at times, but obviously not even close to the greatness of "Chaos & Creation In The Backyard". Sadly, McCartney hardly ever manages to release two really great solo albums in a row, "Band On The Run"/"Venus And Mars" being the only exception.

And, btw. I hate - H A T E - the coverart concept!!!!

Geir Hongro, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

(Outta the two finger-pointerers photopicturecopied 'lightly upthread, the upper one's still the smarterer and the downlower's still merely an arsenist. Here's hoping the latter will never be arsed to release any music recordings. Sorry, just saying.)

t**t, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 07:59 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

does anyone love 'Maybe I'm Amazed'? Really, any views on that piano-driven ballad?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 13:17 (eleven years ago) link

I do, in its original version.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 13:27 (eleven years ago) link

I pretty much love both the original and the Twin Freaks version, but in a distant kind of way where I'm not really putting much into the relationship.

energy flash gordon, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

I like when The Faces do it and somebody, maybe Ron Wood, says something like "It's a lovely tune and if you don't know it, you should know it. Know the tune!"

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

like it a lot.

darraghmac, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:21 (eleven years ago) link

So, anyroad, the "memory" was given away 2 weeks ago w/ Mailonsunday.

Still haven't actually played it yet.

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

Know the tune!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:52 (eleven years ago) link

don't know Twin Freaks (?) though there is a decent enough version on Macca's US tour live LP from ... 2005 (?)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:53 (eleven years ago) link

he really goes to town on the sawdust vocal doesn't he (on the original) - perhaps to excess? it's odd how the sensitive ballad thing is combined with that rock show frenzy, in Macca.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:54 (eleven years ago) link

"Maybe I'm Amazed" is a beautiful song, and nobody can deny that. But I am not a fan of the way he sings on it. It would have benefited more from the more controlled singing style he used on songs like "Yesterday", "And I Love Her", "Michelle" and the first half of "Hey Jude".

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:41 (eleven years ago) link

The "Wings over America" version instead then?

Mark G, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:56 (eleven years ago) link

I think Geir could be correct!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 13:47 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

looks like new firemen coming up:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20081001/ten-uk-mccartney-5fdf947.html

Dominique, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

The second Fireman, 'Rushes', was pretty good I think.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

I am a big fan of the totally weird new wave experiments in Paul McCartney II. Especially the songs "Temporary Secretary" and "Darkroom".

If you haven't heard these, they will shock you.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

"Maybe I'm Amazed" is a beautiful song, and nobody can deny that. But I am not a fan of the way he sings on it. It would have benefited more from the more controlled singing style he used on songs like "Yesterday", "And I Love Her", "Michelle" and the first half of "Hey Jude".

This is a completely retarded statement.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

Beatles >>>> McCartney solo > Wings

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 23:58 (eleven years ago) link

And btw. I stand by the above statement. I dislike exaggerated show of emotion, and part of what I like most about McCartney is when he does NOT sing in his "gospel" or "rock'n'roll shouter" voice.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, but there's a huge difference between the extremely over the top "Get On the Right Thing" and "Maybe I'm Amazed." Yes, there's the way he sings the "loud" verse -- I think that part is pretty incredible myself, but people may feel differently.

But the fact that he sings the first few verses with an open throat instead of softly and mostly in his head way, way, WAY makes the song as emotional as it is. This isn't Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" where you're supposed to be impressed by your hi-fi's remarkable dynamic range -- it's a paean to your wife who pretty much saved you from going insane, and you don't whisper that shit.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

not being a huge fan of mac's "gritty" vocal style myself, I can side w/geir here (also note, when eric carmen does this in raspberries songs, i begin to hate p-mac more). but also *love* the regular verse vocals NTI is talking about -- see also his singing in "She Came in Through the Bathroom Window", or "I've Got a Feeling" (which also skirts the line between corny soul-emoting and smoother, perhaps more vulnerable sounding singing)

Dominique, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:58 (eleven years ago) link

Nothing Too Much Just Out of Sight is ... good.

Alba, Saturday, 11 October 2008 09:30 (eleven years ago) link

what about the last Macca LP? I like the song 'My Ever Present Past'.

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 10:17 (eleven years ago) link

I would say he hasn't made a really weak normal solo album since "Pipes Of Peace". "Press To Play" was patchy, but in places very good. "Flowers In The Dirty" was excellent, no less. "Off The Ground" was a bit more patchy, but still a nice overall listen. "Flaming Pie" may not have been quote the return to form some claimed, but still a good album. "Driving Rain" is perhaps the weakest of this lot, but still with some pretty strong moments such as the title track. "Chaos & Creation In The Backyard" was his best since "Tug Of War" and his second best solo effort overall, whereas the most recent one was also a good album where the main weakness had more to do with compression than with the actual material.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 11 October 2008 10:23 (eleven years ago) link

Listening again to 'maybe I'm amazed' - very strong guitar presence in this song, hacking and chugging along under verses. And all these solos breaking the song up!

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 10:23 (eleven years ago) link

"Ever Present Past" is really nice. Sounds like a lost Wasp Star track.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Saturday, 11 October 2008 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

McCartney solo is even worse than Bob Segar, and that's saying something. At least some Bob Segar songs have a memorable tune, even if they reek of shit and truck stops.

Shushtari (res), Saturday, 11 October 2008 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Bob Seger has obviously never come close to such fantastically beautiful tunes as "Only Love Remains", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "My Love", "Bluebird", "Venus And Mars", "Love In Song", "Once Upon a Long Ago", "No More Lonely Nights", "Tug Of War", "Someone Who Cares", "C'mon People", "Distractions", "Golden Earth Girl", "A Certain Softness", "At The Mercy", "Riding To vanity Fair" and "Anyway". All of them perfect schoolbook examples of how melodic pop ballads should be written. (And now I have only mentioned his solo songs - "Here There And Everywhere", "Michelle", "Golden Slumbers", "And I Love Her" and "Yesterday" are even better and all among the best pieces of music that have ever been made regardless of genre or time or age!)

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 11 October 2008 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Some of those are indeed magnificent and peerless tunes.

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 22:28 (eleven years ago) link

So is 'I Will'.

Who wrote 'If I Fell'? I admire that melody immensely, and have never been able to work out how the opening relates, musically, to the main body of the song.

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

Lennon has always claimed credit.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 11 October 2008 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

1st 2 mccartney solo lps r so classique

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Saturday, 11 October 2008 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

Ou Est Le Soliel is cool in a b*l**r*c way.

Treblekicker, Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

yah of course i love you baby... in a "balearic" way

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:02 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not talking about beatles songs though; those were written, I suspect, by an entirely different person-- one who died in a car accident and was replaced by government agents who had "already factored him into [their] equation for a cultural values shift."

(hear the full story of Paul McCartney's doppelganger on this brilliant record that details this conspiracy!-- seriously, i love this song!)
http://www.archive.org/details/TeenageReverseMindsOnFire-BadwrongFalsepaul

Shushtari (res), Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:06 (eleven years ago) link

Paul>>>Falsepaul>>>Oldpaul>>>Ringo.

Sven Hassel Schmuck, Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:19 (eleven years ago) link

Who wrote 'If I Fell'?

The general rule of thumb is if John sings lead vocal, John wrote it, if Paul sings lead vocal, Paul wrote it.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:36 (eleven years ago) link

The excellent book "Beatlesongs" details exactly who did what on all Beatles recordings, and breaks down songwriting credits into percentages.

Shushtari (res), Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

but I don't have that song and don't know who sings it; don't they both sing different parts?

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

"Maybe I'm Amazed" is pretty much the only non-dud moment in all of post-beatles Macca.

my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:54 (eleven years ago) link

The excellent book "Beatlesongs" details exactly who did what on all Beatles recordings, and breaks down songwriting credits into percentages.

...according the best guess of the book's author.

Dominique, Sunday, 12 October 2008 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

"Maybe I'm Amazed" is pretty much the only non-dud moment in all of post-beatles Macca.

His entire solo output consists of 70 per cent classics and 30 per cent duds (unlike his Beatles output, which was 99% classics and 1% duds)

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:40 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone who argues that "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the only good solo Macca song has clearly not heard more than 5 or 10 solo Macca songs.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 12 October 2008 04:49 (eleven years ago) link

...according the best guess of the book's author.

Right, but he sort of triangulates his assessments based on quotes, studio notes, recollections, etc. It's very well done, and I trust it to be pretty accurate. On the song "In My Life" which was just one of two songs that John and Paul both had strong disagreements about who wrote (I don't remember what the other song was, though I don't remember it being 'If I Fell'), the author determined (accurately, in my opinion) that it was largely John's song and Paul only had a hand in a few lines; this was despite Paul's numerous protests about it.

Shushtari (res), Sunday, 12 October 2008 04:52 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone who argues that "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the only good solo Macca song has clearly not heard more than 5 or 10 solo Macca songs.

:facepalm:

my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Sunday, 12 October 2008 04:55 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone who argues that "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the only good solo Macca song has clearly not heard more than 5 or 10 solo Macca songs.

Maybe he's got a few decent ones, but they just don't have the power or presence of the Beatles songs. They could have been written by any AM radio jerkoff. Nothing I've heard-- and I've heard a lot-- suggests to me that he's an entity worth investigating, except that he has an extraordinary past. But that's not reflected in his solo career hardly at all IMHO.

Shushtari (res), Sunday, 12 October 2008 04:55 (eleven years ago) link

McCartney solo hasn't got the quality control that he did in The Beatles, when John would ridicule anything that didn't hold up. But when he comes up with something great, it is still great. At his best, McCartney is at least almost as good as he was in The Beatles. It is his worst moments that are much worse now.

His solo ballads definitely couldn't be written by any "AM radio jerkoff". Most professional songwriters haven't got the musical gift to write the kind of ballads he does, with the perfect variation between major and minor and other harmonically intersting elements. The only other writer I know that is able to combine major and minor in the same perfect way is Neil Finn.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

What do you mean by 'major and minor'? Chords? Keys?

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 October 2008 11:09 (eleven years ago) link

abusive comments (PappaWheelie V), Sunday, 12 October 2008 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

I remain forever in Naive Teen Idol's debt for introducing me to Press To Play.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 12 October 2008 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

What do you mean by 'major and minor'? Chords? Keys?

He is almost certainly referring to Ursa Major and Ursa Minor.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 October 2008 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

What do you mean by 'major and minor'? Chords? Keys?

A bit of both, but, like Neil Finn, he actually does the chord changes in such a way that it feels like key changes. And changing between major and minor is always a great thing to do when you compose a ballad. It works every time!

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:01 (eleven years ago) link

one thing I always notice is that Paul McCartney was such a creative and brilliant bassist from '66 to '69 or so, and then suddenly after that I don't find his bass work all that remarkable.

Shushtari (res), Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:07 (eleven years ago) link

The only thing I notice about his bass playing is that his bass is way too loud in the mix. Particularly on "Abbey Road" and his first couple of solo albums.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

A fantastically beautiful song, which is probably his most underated solo work of all:

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

(And a perfect example of the interplay between major key and minor key that Macca is so good at when he is at his best. Particularly the "Only Love Is Strong Enough" bridge is fantastic)

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:28 (eleven years ago) link

huh. that song sounds like schlocky by-the-numbers McCartney to my ears. go figure.

Shushtari (res), Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:31 (eleven years ago) link

That's because you are tone deaf then. It is all about harmony!

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

That clip doesn't have any sound on it!

the pinefox, Monday, 13 October 2008 09:06 (eleven years ago) link

I have found the song on last.fm. It sounds pretty good.

One thought about this song: if some kind of reasonably hip contemporary artist released it, it would blow people away. ... I have just been listening to Sufjan Stevens which a friend gave me from his hard drive. I guess it shows some talent, ambition, at least a couple of good tracks (out of a lot!) - but imagine if he suddenly came up with this!

the pinefox, Monday, 13 October 2008 09:13 (eleven years ago) link

I like "Only Love Remains" and its chord changes -- but it's "A McCartney Ballad" for sure and, thus, for fans almost to the exclusion of anyone who's not.

For me, the song on Press To Play that challenges what people normally think of when McCartney comes to mind is "However Absurd." It's a "ballad," I guess, but the lyrical imagery is weird, the production metallic and processed, and the bridge is arresting. Maybe it's Eric Stewart's presence, I dunno.

But really, it's the kind of track that reminds me why I like him solo so much. No, it doesn't have anything on his Beatles work -- but for every "Only Love Remains" on a McCartney album, there are at least three or four cuts that affirm the guy's drive to experiment.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

(unlike his Beatles output, which was 99% classics and 1% duds)

Complete guesswork, but I'm going to take a stab at Geir Hongro's 1% Macca duds:

1.) "I'm Down"
2.) "Why Don't We Do It in the Road?"
3.) "Helter Skelter"
4.) "Get Back"
5.) Last half of "Hey Jude"
6.) "She's A Woman"

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 13 October 2008 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

I've a friend who detests McCartney yet thinks "Only Love Remains" is one of the greatest ballads ever.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

For me, the song on Press To Play that challenges what people normally think of when McCartney comes to mind is "However Absurd." It's a "ballad," I guess, but the lyrical imagery is weird, the production metallic and processed, and the bridge is arresting. Maybe it's Eric Stewart's presence, I dunno.

But really, it's the kind of track that reminds me why I like him solo so much. No, it doesn't have anything on his Beatles work -- but for every "Only Love Remains" on a McCartney album, there are at least three or four cuts that affirm the guy's drive to experiment.

I prefer his usual style, but he experimented in The Beatles and I'm perfectly OK with him trying out various stuff as a soloist too. It's just that I feel that it is exactly when he experiments that he doesn't have the quality control he would need. As long as he does on just a few tracks it doesn't matter though - I prefer the patchiness of "McCartney II", "Press To Play" and "Driving Rain" to the downright dullness of "Pipes Of Peace".

I've a friend who detests McCartney yet thinks "Only Love Remains" is one of the greatest ballads ever.

This is stranger because, as Naive Teen Idol says, it is a very typical McCartney ballad. And if you like "Only Love Remains" I cannot quite see how you wouldn't like "Golden Slumbers", "Michelle", "Here There & Everywhere" or even "Once Upon a Long Ago". I know some of those who detest him may do because of his most extremely twee stuff like "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", "When I'm 64" and "Honey Pie" though.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

1.) "I'm Down"
2.) "Why Don't We Do It in the Road?"
3.) "Helter Skelter"
4.) "Get Back"
5.) Last half of "Hey Jude"
6.) "She's A Woman"

Bingo! Except the order would be another one. :)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

Ringo! Have you heard he quit singing :)

abusive comments (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 13 October 2008 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

There's quite a lot of relatively tedious bluesy stuff on very late Beatles / Let It Be sort of period, isn't there? I would have thought Mr Hongro might be against that too.

the pinefox, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, "Oh Darling" is missing from that list for sure. I don't mind some of that stuff, but I agree with "relatively tedious" - if they had kept on going as a band I think that period would stand out more as a kind of weird genre digression - one very much in line with general trends in the period - whereas, since it lined up with them trailing off, it just becomes part of the melange of "classic rock"...

Doctor Casino, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

Most of that blues stuff wasn't Paul's. If anything, he got even more tin pan alleyish.

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 13 October 2008 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

Well, except for the triumvirate guitar solos on "the end".

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 13 October 2008 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, "Oh Darling" is missing from that list for sure

"Oh Darling" is R&B influenced but also has other elements, like more chord changes, for instance. It is more like the early stuff than like his most blatant rock'n'roll numbers, really.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

i bought the bowl of cherries one recently, it's pretty nice....the sort of record they call "slight" i guess, but still it's jaunty.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

He got more Tin Pan Alleyish? Examples?? I wanna hear them.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 11:49 (eleven years ago) link

I guess McCartney's most blatantly Tin Pan Alleyish number must be "Baby's Request".

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 12:41 (eleven years ago) link

The never-finished "Suicide" has the appropriate jauntiness as well.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/21/fireman-electric-arguments

apprently not his finest hour.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 21 November 2008 21:19 (ten years ago) link

Not his finest, but it's OK. Quality-wise, it is more on level with "Driving Rain" and "Off The Ground" than with "Chaos And Creation In The Backyard" though.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 21 November 2008 21:34 (ten years ago) link

It'd pretty good, I dont' think it's of the level of "chaos" or the last album, on the whole, but it's also not meant to be the same kind of thing. It's not McCartney II either, but for a late-career experimental album, something you wouldn't even expect him to do at this point, it succeeds.

akm, Friday, 21 November 2008 23:40 (ten years ago) link

but that review is completely off base and nothing to go by

akm, Friday, 21 November 2008 23:41 (ten years ago) link

He'll never match the greatness of "Temporary Secretary" again. And I am not being sarcastic.

Nate Carson, Friday, 21 November 2008 23:47 (ten years ago) link

"Temporary Secretary" isn't even the best song on that SIDE of that album!!

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 21 November 2008 23:56 (ten years ago) link

Oh damn, I thought I wouldn't let myself be tempted, argh...

Well most of the best and brilliant-est songs on that alb are on Side 1 anyway. The soapsuds and dandruff are mostly on the other side. ("Summer Day's Song" is super, tho.)

t**t, Saturday, 22 November 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) link

"McCartney II" isn't even particularly good. And "Temporary Secretary" surely not. Just using synths isn't enough to impress - they have to be used on a good song too.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 22 November 2008 00:56 (ten years ago) link

lol something Geir and Alex can agree on

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 November 2008 01:19 (ten years ago) link

pfft geir you are wrong

I'm Richard (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:06 (ten years ago) link

McCartney II is a very accomplished piece of experimentation, being produced (as it was) in 1979-80. Yes he makes a load of noise about doing it all himself, but he's always done that.

I'm Richard (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:07 (ten years ago) link

Rockestra w/ Bonham:

What Goes Up... (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 November 2008 07:01 (ten years ago) link

What a woeful helicopter smash of an album. How it's Fireman and not Macca being 100% self-indulgent is fathoms beyond my reach.

Brunswicki and Footescray (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 4 December 2008 08:18 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

Armed with this thread's contents I made a best of post-Beatles playlist on Spotify (sorry to those shut out of Spotify):

http://open.spotify.com/user/nickyd/playlist/40YtLVuiEtdisxLcaqhHt1

Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:54 (ten years ago) link

And then I whittled it down further to stuff I actually liked:

http://open.spotify.com/user/nickyd/playlist/7Ctxim1T5TslHsVGg09feX

Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:55 (ten years ago) link

(can't stop listening to Back Seat Of My Car at the moment.

Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:55 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Where is Pinefox when you need him?

Paul McCartney is one of those artists that I bet there's a potential CD-R or two's worth of stuff I would absolutely adore - really he needs to be a lot more obscure than he is, so some loving curator could trawl through his albums and B-Sides and make some selections. As it is his commercial/historical clout means the available compilations take the path of least resistance a bit too much.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 13 February 2003

the pinefox, Friday, 10 July 2009 12:31 (ten years ago) link

"Every Night" from the first solo album is an idyll of a song, very "Railways Conserve The Environment" 1970 (as opposed to, you know, RADICAL 1970) indeed. I'd have liked it if he'd written "Come And Get It" slightly later so it could be his first solo single, because it's better than "Another Day", or if he'd written it slightly earlier so it could be a Beatles single, because it's better than "Hello Goodbye". The promo film for "Helen Wheels" is fantastically evocative. "Hi Hi Hi" is better than "My Ding-A-Ling" precisely because it *isn't* "in the tradition of the music hall" (the hilarious reason given by the ultra-conservative Charles Curran-era BBC as to why it was still playing Chuck Berry's lowpoint when it had banned the Wings song in December 1972).

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003

the pinefox, Friday, 10 July 2009 12:37 (ten years ago) link

I'm listening to Macca on spotify, maybe I can play N's playlist.

I'm not sure though, how those playlists work.

I am just listening to RAM.

the pinefox, Friday, 10 July 2009 12:42 (ten years ago) link

you shld be able to just click on the link and it shld open the playlist

just sayin, Friday, 10 July 2009 12:57 (ten years ago) link

Listening to that playlist: whatever else about it, it reminds me of the greatness of 'You Gave Me The Answer'

the pinefox, Friday, 10 July 2009 16:56 (ten years ago) link

still on N's playlist; 'Jenny Wren'!

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 July 2009 12:51 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHz_7e7yluM

the pinefox, Monday, 13 July 2009 07:35 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

...hard not to admire that! Love love love the song, beyond all rational justification - so much flourish and energy put into this goofy little idea!

May have linked this before, but: http://www.ummagurau.com/art/doctorcasino/magneto09.mp3 is an unfinished homemade cover of the song from my extremely unfinished (ie, never to be even halfway done) double album of Paul McCartney covers.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:33 (ten years ago) link

current fave solo pmac: "let 'em in"

Dominique, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:39 (ten years ago) link

gotta give a shout out to "little lamb dragonfly".
doctor casino, good to know someone else has been working on the same project as i am! so far all i've got is spot-on versions of "c moon" and "some people never know".

johnnyo, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 14:49 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Let 'Em In is fantastic! I mean who writes a song like that, such a ridiculous, drug-addled concept for a song. Musically, it's all so regimented with everything in its right place. I guess I'm having trouble describing what's so great and strange about it, but it's a very odd number. Sonic candy about nothing, which I guess sums up Wings pretty well. And it reached #3 here in the States!

x-post

ColinO, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:16 (ten years ago) link

i had this exact thought: "who writes songs like this?" So simple, so addictive. The piano/drums/one note bass line doesn't really even sound like a mccartney tune, until he starts singing, and it all fits together so perfectly. And like a lot of his songs, I have no desire to know what he's talking about, or what any of the lyrics might actually mean.

Dominique, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 18:00 (ten years ago) link

it is about a doorbell and that is all

akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

McCartney's songs-about-nothing or songs-about-stuff ethos (doorbells, lambs, etc) was perfect for the seventies, no?

Anatomy of a Morbius (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

Paul McCartney >> Wings

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:24 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

yeah heard 'let em in' (for the first time i think) at dinner the other night with the girl and we were both kinda really into it. maybe i should check a wings rec?

bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:12 (eight years ago) link

how the hell have I never heard Magneto and Titanium Man

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 14 November 2010 20:24 (eight years ago) link

Those mid seventies Wings albums have some good stuff but they defy categorization.

otherwise, and twat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 November 2010 20:25 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

NY Times' Pareles likes the 2 1/2 hour Yankee Stadium gig

At 69, Mr. McCartney is not saying goodbye but touring stadiums and playing marathon concerts. Friday’s set ran two and a half hours, with Mr. McCartney constantly onstage, and it had 35 songs, not counting a few additional excerpts. He played half a dozen instruments (though he didn’t show off his drumming), sang with only a few scrapes in the voice that’s familiar worldwide, and looked as if he was having a boyish romp as he navigated what endure as some of rock’s oddest hits. His hair grew more tousled with every song.

The set drew on Mr. McCartney’s various outlets from the 1960s on: the Beatles, Wings, his solo albums and his once-pseudonymous project the Fireman.

Though he also notes:

There was more than a little familiarity to the concert for anyone who attended Mr. McCartney’s 2009 shows at that other new ballpark, the Mets’ Citi Field, or listened to and watched the resulting live album of CDs and a DVD, “Good Evening New York City” (Hear Music). Once again he wore suspenders over his white shirt. His band lineup hasn’t changed, with Abe Laboriel Jr. on drums, Brian Ray and Rusty Anderson on guitars and Paul (Wix) Wickens on keyboards. Two-thirds of the songs were the same, often in similar groupings and with the same arrangements and first-time surprises, like appending Jimi Hendrix’s “Foxy Lady” to “Let Me Roll It,” or segueing “A Day in the Life” into “Give Peace a Chance” — a V-sign waving epiphany for the crowd — or explaining that the civil-rights movement inspired “Blackbird.”

curmudgeon, Monday, 18 July 2011 03:36 (eight years ago) link

Did "Maybe I am Amazed" too

curmudgeon, Monday, 18 July 2011 13:56 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Aw...no birthday wishes on his 70th! My favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbKGsEK_T9g

clemenza, Monday, 18 June 2012 23:46 (seven years ago) link

I shouldn't admit this, but I find all the Facebook posts kind of moving.

https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcCartney?ref=ts

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:05 (seven years ago) link

I find I've Just Seen A Face kind of moving. How marvellous it would've been to be a Beatle.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:13 (seven years ago) link

For me, the greatest smitten-at-first-sight song ever written. I always like to think it's about Linda, although chances are it's not. (It started off with a different title, for one thing.) Extremely moving. "I have missed things and kept out of sight."

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:18 (seven years ago) link

I don't normally listen to their (pre-1966?) romantic songs and hear literal inspirations - though they must be there. But I know what a joy it is to make songs, and it would be great to make something near as good as the basic song of I've Just Seen A Face. And then, if I had pals around to add that needlessly amazing intro, it would be my best ever day. They had many such days. The line you quoted is terrific.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:56 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Enjoyed Paul McCartney's 2 hrs and 45 minute gig Friday night at the Washington Nationals Ballpark. Yes, I now see via google that the story he told about Jimi Hendrix covering Sgt. Pepper and Jimi asking Eric Clapton to tune his guitar, he told before in 2009 and maybe other times. Still liked his instrumental cover of "Foxy Lady" even if his current band are pretty generic. Still enjoyed his other stories even if he has told them before, plus his goofy dancing and arm-waving.Yes, I know his setlist for this tour never changes much.
His bass-playing, guitar-playing, piano and organ-playing all were pretty good-- and that voice of course. "Paperback Writer" and others still sounded great.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/paul-mccartney/2013/nationals-park-washington-dc-7bd956d4.html

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:17 (six years ago) link

what'd he play organ on?

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 July 2013 17:19 (six years ago) link

btw I'd love a list of solo electric guitar greatest hits besides the obvious choices. Unless the album credits say otherwise, I tend to credit Denny Laine or whatever other Wingman.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 July 2013 17:20 (six years ago) link

I just wish he'd tell more stories about, y'know, his post-Beatles songs...

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Monday, 15 July 2013 17:21 (six years ago) link

Are you sure.../!

He did talk about going on vacation with his current wife and it was raining the whole time, but she was wonderful and he wrote "My Valentine" for her. He has told this one before too:

http://www.beatlesbible.com/people/paul-mccartney/songs/my-valentine/

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

x-post-- Hmmm, maybe that wasn't an organ but just a smaller piano. I was far away, and it was turned in such a direction that it was hard to see and the sound wasn't the best. He had a baby grand up there as well, that was bigger. Saw one review mentioning two pianos, and others did not address this. But he has played organ in the studio

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 July 2013 17:43 (six years ago) link

I had a couple of friends at that show. One of them took his oldest son (age 9), making it his very first rock concert.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Monday, 15 July 2013 18:15 (six years ago) link

He also had a friend (stadium employee?) grab him an actual setlist off the stage:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1069998_10151812003280337_557449061_n.jpg

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Monday, 15 July 2013 18:16 (six years ago) link

"Junior's Farm"!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 July 2013 18:37 (six years ago) link

Yep.

x-post

Nice. Yes, a fair amount of kids there. Plus it seemed lots of folks for whom it was likely their first concert in a long while

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 July 2013 18:38 (six years ago) link

wow he does 1985 and Mrs Vandebilt these days? pretty cool, suprising.

piscesx, Monday, 15 July 2013 21:01 (six years ago) link

Yeah, was stoked to see those in there! Did he do like a "play through all of Band on the Run" set a few years back? Could imagine that kind of kicking those into the rotation. Had "Mrs Vandebilt" stuck in my head the other night while biking up one Vanderbilt Avenue.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 15 July 2013 21:35 (six years ago) link

Did he ever do a "play through all of Band on the Run" set?

Did not know these details about the recording of that album in Nigeria-- http://www.ibtimes.com/band-run-40-years-ago-paul-mccartney-saved-his-career-album-made-under-duress-nigeria-1346223

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

I may have just imagined that set! Seems like the kind of thing that could have happened, is all. The making-of that album is so nuts, really points up this thing of "how come Wings stories never get told," that one is out there but I know absolutely zip about the making of most of the other records.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 02:47 (six years ago) link

London Town was recorded on a boat.

That's all I got.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 03:16 (six years ago) link

PR emil I just got:

GOING UNDERGROUND
Paul McCartney, the Beatles, and the UK Counter-Culture
Coming to DVD on October 1st

In the mid-1960s the often rigid and colourless British way of life was irrevocably transformed by the emergence of a cultural underground movement. Led by a loose collective of young radicals, they introduced new social, sexual and aesthetic perspectives. Operating out of the heart of London, their various activities, from 'The International Times' - a bi-weekly journal that no hipster could be seen without - to the psychedelic nightclub UFO, promoted alternative lifestyles and values, and sparked a social revolution

This film not only traces the history of this underground scene, but also explores its impact on the pre-eminent British group of the era, The Beatles. Although they were well established by the time the movement emerged, Paul McCartney in particular, was closely linked with several of its key players, and through his exposure to cutting edge concepts brought ideas directly from the avant-garde into the mainstream.

Featuring many new interviews with key players from the time including; IT editor and long term friend of Paul McCartney, Barry Miles; founder of IT and UFO club organiser, John 'Hoppy' Hopkins; founder of UFO and Pink Floyd producer , Joe Boyd; Soft Machine drummer, Robert Wyatt; drummer from experimental improvisational collective AMM, Eddie Prevost; proprietor of Indica, the counter-cultural gallery, John Dunbar; Underground scenester, vocalist with The Deviants and IT journalist, Mick Farren; plus author of 'Days in the Life: Voices from the English Underground 1961 - 1971', Jonathon Greene; Beatles expert, Chris Ingham and Mojo jounalist Mark Paytress.

Also includesrare archive footage, photographs from private collections and music from The Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Soft Machine, AMM and others.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 17:45 (six years ago) link

Been enjoying "The Alternate London Town" for more than any other proper solo/Wings album.

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 18:25 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

they streamed '45 minutes' of his set yesterday --- which turned into 20 min because they were late adding the stream. What I saw was pretty ace. Bummed that they could do the whole 3 hours when it happened :(

decided to finally go in search of a few solo/Wings albums, I resisted for a long time but I'm down for it now

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:59 (six years ago) link

yeahhhhhhhhh!

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 01:56 (six years ago) link

right there
that's it
YES

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 01:56 (six years ago) link

i started easy, with Band on The Run :D

but I will investigate some of the others on spotify and report my findings

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 02:51 (six years ago) link

red rose speedway

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 02:52 (six years ago) link

i was gonna suggest you go venus & mars -> ram -> band on the run -> mccartney I & II, and then just jump around from there based on whims and how much you tolerate the big hit from whatever record. i probably underrate band on the run though just cuz it got held up for so long as the 'one masterpiece' or whatever he had after the beatles, his plastic ono band/imagine and i don't think it's anywhere near that good, esp since during this time ram and mccartney II were usually dismissed.

balls, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 02:56 (six years ago) link

i almost got Ram as well as Band on the Run, but funds did not allow it at that specific moment :/

but from the little bit of reading I was doing, I was v curious to check out Ram, McCartney 1 & II, and maybe if I can work up to it, Press To Play and Memory Almost Full but it might be a while before I 'm ready for those...gotta prime my ears for later-period macca

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:01 (six years ago) link

start with back to the egg

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:11 (six years ago) link

There was a time in the recent past when you could get Memory Almost Full for a couple bucks used or just a tad more for a remaindered new copy.

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:12 (six years ago) link

start with back to the egg, wait ten years, listen to back to the egg again, wait five years, then you can listen to band on the run

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:12 (six years ago) link

you are not the boss of me zachlyon

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:13 (six years ago) link

back to the egg, the departure point

balls, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:17 (six years ago) link

mccartney section was half-full of copies of Kisses on the Bottom

which I don't care if all of you said it was great, no one should have to listen to an album with that title srsly wtf Macca

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:23 (six years ago) link

not that any of you did, just saying IF that was the case

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:23 (six years ago) link

this will draw mockery, perhaps deserved, but that valentine song he played on snl sounded pretty great imo, way better than i would've imagine his rod stewart/linda rondstadt with strings! move ever would've.

balls, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:27 (six years ago) link

That is a great title, damn you MCartney (Back to the Egg is VVVV good, btw, mostly awesome even. Ram is even better. Chaos and Creation is better than I expected)

albvivertine, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 04:36 (six years ago) link

live a little, be a gypsy, get around, get around, get your feet up off the ground, live a little, get around

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 04:46 (six years ago) link

Ram is indeed the best album - - - so it's kind of good that, as balls hints, BotR is 'only' a pretty-darn-good poppy rock album, short but hooky and fun... so then you get in through that and still get to enjoy delving in and discovering the greatness of Ram. No clue how BotR ever became THE album - maybe just that it's so impeccably produced and structured, like Tug of War very deliberately going for what will "feel" like a complete Album, down to the little reprise of the opening track at the end. I still enjoy the hell out of it but the run of RRS, BotR and Venus & Mars is really the apex of Macca as craftsman/showman with nothing to actually say. Most nights, that's enough for me and I'll take all three over most of Lennon's warbly, moldy-sounding records.

Basically VG I think you've chosen wisely. Soak up BotR and see where you feel like exploring from there. As far as Wings stuff goes, I'd say you can wait longest on Wild Life, Speed of Sound, and London Town.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 04:51 (six years ago) link

As far as Wings stuff goes, I'd say you can wait longest on Wild Life, Speed of Sound, and London Town.

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:51 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup, I second this. And for his non-Wings stuff, I'd say you could wait the longest on Pipes Of Peace and Off The Ground.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:14 (six years ago) link

And christ, miss out the Give My Regards To Broad Street soundtrack album completely, I'd say. Apart from 'No More Lonely Nights', which is grade A McCartney as far as I'm concerned.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:18 (six years ago) link

off the ground is possibly the worst album ever and the thought of it makes me barf

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:21 (six years ago) link

give my regards to broad street is great don't listen to him! it was definitely my favorite movie at age 6, which is saying something

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:23 (six years ago) link

It's an album full of inferior re-recordings of Beatles classics, and far from essential versions of stuff that's already on Tug Of War and Pipes Of Peace, though? I guess there's a couple of tracks on there that are exclusive to the soundtrack, but I couldn't say ('No More Lonely Nights' aside) that any of 'em were worth bothering with, myself.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:33 (six years ago) link

I did a little S&D of tracks from all Wings/McCartney solo LPs in this thread here a while back.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:44 (six years ago) link

zzzzzzz your opinion means nothing until you've watched the movie as many times as i did when i was 6

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 05:46 (six years ago) link

zachlyon's musical opinions are bristling with otm. back to the egg is fabulous, and red rose speedway is a masterpiece.

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 08:54 (six years ago) link

I don't much care for Ram. Too bloody long.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 12:17 (six years ago) link

That's because it's Paul's "White Album".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:12 (six years ago) link

We've already got one of those.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:16 (six years ago) link

"Do you love me like you know you ought to do" vs. "you become naked"

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:30 (six years ago) link

Turrican, I remember that post! Good stuff.

I love how much love Back to the Egg gets on ILX, it's not an album I'd ever recommend as one of one's first purchases and I think I only acquired it as a teen because I was at a Best Buy, I had decided I was going to buy a McCartney CD, and it was literally all they had. Some great tracks though, and as I've said before the unreleased stuff from that period ("Boil Crisis"!) is great.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:56 (six years ago) link

Thanks to this thread I listened to "Venus And Mars". Wow.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:58 (six years ago) link

So you...listened to what the thread said?

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:14 (six years ago) link

talk more talk!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:16 (six years ago) link

xpost I sure did. For what seems at times to sound like a very stoned, throwaway deal it holds together very well.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:23 (six years ago) link

I've probably mentioned this before, but back when I had dreams of doing a two-disc Paul McCartney covers album, all I ever completed were versions of "Dear Boy," "I'll Give You A Ring," and "Magneto & Titanium Man." And I think some reallllly scrappy demos of "1882" and "Biker Like An Icon."

It was going to be my masterpiece.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:29 (six years ago) link

Are the V&M demos worth seeking out? Seems there were quite a few collections of these available on Ye Olde Blogs before the Great Megaupload Fire Of '12.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:33 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

I guess I never had the Red Rose Speedway with bonus tracks. That live version of The Mess just grabbed me big time. Starts out like a sort of normal retro-rocker, then goes off to some interesting places starting about 1:30 in.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:16 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I used to really dig that when I first got into that album. "Country Dreamer" is also quite pretty IMO, if lightweight.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 02:23 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Recently picked up a copy of Cold Cuts, the Club Sandwich bootleg of the shelved unreleased-tracks collection. Dunno why I did, given that I've long since assembled all this material in other formats, but it's feeling like pretty choice Macca listening - absolutely nothing essential, but everything sounding kinda good and profoundly McCartney-esque, and sounding just more like an album coming out of the turntable and good speakers than through my disposable early-00's MP3s. Anyhow, the motley assembly of throwaway tracks with no overriding vibe basically makes it sound like most Wings records. Slightly different "My Carnival" than I know from the Venus & Mars CD - more hooting and carrying on by Paul. Otherwise the standouts are naturally "Waterspout" and the lovely "A Love For You," which could have really held Wild Life together with a serious edit. I've always liked "Robber's Ball" for silliness but not as much as I want to like it. Wikipedia has the tracklist if you want to see about tracking these down yourself.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:39 (four years ago) link

"Cage" – Removed from Back to the Egg at the last minute in favour of "Baby's Request",this song features the chords C-A-G-E as its riff to go along with the cage lyric.

can I lol

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:04 (four years ago) link

haha yeah. perhaps more notable for the, er, calliope solo. i've also always loved the totally incoherent filler lyrics that almost, but don't quite, hang together as an actual plot. "baby's request" slays it hardcore, good choice there and maybe works against the idea that without lennon/martin he had nobody to push back and veto bad ideas. i do kinda like "cage" but it has all the earmarks of a not-very-good idea that got worked on too long by stoned people who later forgot about it.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:51 (four years ago) link

"Cage" – Removed from Back to the Egg at the last minute in favour of "Baby's Request",this song features the chords C-A-G-E as its riff to go along with the cage lyric.

Where?

http://www.macca-central.com/macca-songs/getchords.php?width=800&height=600&id=219&title=cage&Album=unreleased&composer=Paul_McCartney

Oh, I see it: C Am G Em7... which isn't quite C-A-G-E.

seven months pass...

London Town sounding much better to me drunk, and turned up loud, than it ever has before. Love those "MY LOVE!" backing vocals on "Name and Address." Even the songs with "children" in the title are sounding good. Can't wait for my perennial favorite on this one, "Morse Moose."

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 31 January 2016 03:36 (three years ago) link

COME ON DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA
TELL ME ARE YOU RECEIVING ME
MY NAME IS MORSE MOOSE, AND I'M CALLIN' YOUU

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 31 January 2016 03:41 (three years ago) link

I've always loved London Town!!! Denny's children songs are killer, Paul's weirdo shit (backwards travelled, morse moose) is killer, the original version of girlfriend, dont let it bring you down, the synths on the extended cut of with a little luck. It all works so well together even though it's a lot more low key than Wings typically is so people pass it over or say it's "trite" or whatever

MrExplorer, Sunday, 31 January 2016 06:25 (three years ago) link

"Backwards Traveller" is one of the duds for me - just feels a little more effortful than some of the other numbers. "Cafe on the Left Bank" kinda falls in the same slot, though I like the tune. Would like to take a moment to appreciate "Cuff Link," though it's totally a throwaway in this context; it clearly heralds McCartney II and suggests a less "rock" approach they might have taken to those other songs...

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:50 (three years ago) link

loved Deliver Your Children when i was a kid. haven't heard it for a long time.

piscesx, Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:14 (three years ago) link

It's Denny Laine's best contribution to the canon imo

MrExplorer, Monday, 1 February 2016 01:00 (three years ago) link

"I'm Carrying" is a pretty classic McCartney ballad.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 1 February 2016 05:05 (three years ago) link

I've always loved 'Cuff Link' - yeah, it's a bit of a throwaway, but really the only problem that I have with it is that it's too short. I've never really liked 'Don't Let It Bring You Down', 'Deliver Your Children' or 'Name and Address' ... but 'I'm Carrying', 'Cafe On The Left Bank', 'Backwards Traveller', 'With A Little Luck', 'Children Children', 'Girlfriend'... always had time for all of those.

Turrican, Monday, 1 February 2016 22:20 (three years ago) link

In fact, it tickles me a little that the synth solo on 'With A Little Luck' sounds like the theme tune for Thomas The Tank Engine but a few years ahead, especially given that Ringo was the original narrator for it.

Turrican, Monday, 1 February 2016 22:21 (three years ago) link

I was actually just thinking this morning that "With a Little Luck" in general sounds very much like it could have made, with a muddier and quainter arrangement, for a great 70s or 80s TV theme tune - especially the "... Just me and you!" part. Thinking of the sound on the Webster theme, maybe.

I like "Name and Address" - nice little pastiche, cool sound IMHO. I do think its enjoyability is inversely proportional to how much you think McCartney is winking to himself about the double entendre of "leave your name and a dress." Oh, what a rascal...

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 February 2016 22:25 (three years ago) link

Ha, I'd never picked up on that! I guess it's far preferable to other nudge-nudge-wink-wink McCartney double entendres like, say, Kisses On The Bottom, or that line in 'If You Wanna' from Flaming Pie where he sings in his Elvis quiver "make arrangements for the trip"... like oh my god Paul, you're so edgy, making acid puns in your mid 50's.

Turrican, Monday, 1 February 2016 22:36 (three years ago) link

is it McCartney playing the synth in "With a Little Luck"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 February 2016 22:43 (three years ago) link

Well, somebody is.

Mark G, Monday, 1 February 2016 23:01 (three years ago) link

Ha, I'd never heard "make arrangements for the trip" in that way before, but now I'm sure I'll never be able to shake it. At least it kinda fits that whole album's theme/vibe of trying to, ah, "get back" to a mild, communalist form of 60s counterculturalism. "Flaming Pie" the song is maybe the biggest fail in this regard (though I really liked it at age 16 - it's catchy) with its hopeless attempt to ape Lennon-style absurdity. Paul writes better absurd stuff when he's not trying to be wacky and is really just trying to fill out the rhythm. It's not as dire as "Return to Pepperland," but it's a bit cringey. Whereas I think "The Song We Were Singing" works - it's not trying to be cool, just kinda honestly describing (I think) a dad-ish nostalgia for them good old days.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 February 2016 23:07 (three years ago) link

I've noticed "(getting) back" has been a very common theme throughout McCartney's work, even when he was in The Beatles... whether through pastiches such as 'When I'm Sixty-Four', trying to return The Beatles back to their roots on Get Back/Let It Be, or looking back on The Beatles themselves in his solo work. It's undoubtedly prominent on his last few solo albums.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Monday, 1 February 2016 23:31 (three years ago) link

No discussion so far on the title track of London Town. Thoughts? I think it's a very nice mood setter and I love how it ends unresolved, leaving the rest of the record to follow up on it. I think it's better as a prelude than a stand alone track though

MrExplorer, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 01:32 (three years ago) link

Also if we're talking Flaming Pie I think the song "Somedays" has one of the best orchestral arrangements of any Macca/Beatles tune. The oboe lines playing counterpoint to the vocals on the chorus is just gorgeousness. Great vocal on that track too. Also Calico Skies is a top 10 or 15 all time Macca tune for me

MrExplorer, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 01:34 (three years ago) link

I like "London Town" - very enjoyable melody to sing. Took me a long time to come around to it just from the goofiness of "Upon his foot - toot toot!" and so on. Agreed that it's a really weird choice for a single - such a classic "title opening track" imho. Maybe they were thinking along the lines of "Band on the Run."

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 01:40 (three years ago) link

I'm not massive on 'London Town' (the track), but 'Somedays' and 'Calico Skies' are two of Paul's best "late period" songs for me.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 01:43 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e8E6X4kios

timellison, Thursday, 11 February 2016 01:22 (three years ago) link

the skype emojis thing is so dumb but jesus fucking christ what a joy it is to see him go from the moog to the xylophone to some super metal sounding guitar to the harpsichord just being a genius and having fun.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 11 February 2016 01:26 (three years ago) link

cool! sounds like Cornelius in a way.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 13 February 2016 05:57 (three years ago) link

Man, Back to the Egg is such a frustrating album. If you cherry-pick the tracklist it's got the makings of one of his best records, and certainly the last time (save arguably Run Devil Run) that "rocking" seemed remotely like a natural thing for him. "So Glad To See You Here," "Spin It On," "Getting Closer," those are all awesome, and even "Rockestra" for all that it's stupid, at least sounds good. "To You" I find kind of a chore but the "keep it outta my nose" part sounds good. And the chilled-out numbers, "Baby's Request," "Love Awake" and "Arrow Through Me" all have great melodies, great recordings.

But my GOD is the filler on this just garbage! "The Broadcast" is easily the most pointless "interlude" or "link" track he ever recorded, and "After The Ball" is just so clearly marking time and hoping that if he gets throaty enough, repeating the words "after the ball" over and over will turn it into a song. If it weren't for "Love Awake," there'd be nearly an eleven-minute stretch of side B made of bits and pieces waiting to get turned into real songs, and unfortunately he's not at Abbey Road level inspiration here.

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 February 2016 20:07 (three years ago) link

Aren't you basically saying you don't like a couple of tracks here – "The Broadcast" and "After the Ball/Million Miles"? Unless you're also dinging "We're Open Tonight" (which to me feels like a sequel to "Venus & Mars") you've basically said you like pretty much everything else.

I mean, no, Back to the Egg isn't on par with Abbey Road. But it isn't exactly the band tracks from At the Speed of Sound either. It's basically another of Macca's half-assed concept records but has six or seven really good cuts by my count (confession: I also think "After the Ball" is one of his better Ray Charles tracks and it's short).

As for it "rocking," I think it had a lot to do with him having a new band on this that jelled well. IIRC, his pot arrest in Japan caused him to shutter the Wings moniker for good.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 19 February 2016 20:49 (three years ago) link

He has that himself quite explicitly.

everything, Friday, 19 February 2016 21:29 (three years ago) link

"I think the Japanese episode as we can call it, was the end of Wings...the upshot was, we got there, I got busted, and I really thought, this band isn't gonna work. I'm not happy with it...There was something going wrong, something was trying to tell me something. So that was the end of Wings."

everything, Friday, 19 February 2016 21:31 (three years ago) link

As for "Back To The Egg", After the Ball/Million Miles can fuck off then the rest sounds like a Blur album from the late 90s.

everything, Friday, 19 February 2016 21:37 (three years ago) link

Back to the Egg is one of his best albums; certainly one of the most consistent, IMO. I don't think there are any bad songs on it. Even Denny Lane's song is good.

akm, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:28 (three years ago) link

D'you think so? It's not bad but certainly not good. It sounds a bit unfinished and the "little woman" stuff makes it sound like something John Lennon would do to pastiche McCartney.

I agree that it's a pretty good album though.

everything, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:38 (three years ago) link

MY SALAMANDER

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 February 2016 23:39 (three years ago) link

certainly the last time (save arguably Run Devil Run) that "rocking" seemed remotely like a natural thing for him

Dr. C, I am so glad you didn't say rocking and ROLLING because "Get Me Out of Here" on the last album.

timellison, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:55 (three years ago) link

(Deluxe Edition version)

timellison, Friday, 19 February 2016 23:56 (three years ago) link

I was introduced to his solo work via Flaming Pie. "young boy" sounds like a beatles lost record and it was the highlight in there, I don't really remember much else. I only know his 70s work am I missing out?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:37 (three years ago) link

Aren't you basically saying you don't like a couple of tracks here – "The Broadcast" and "After the Ball/Million Miles"?

Well, I'd say "Winter Rose" sucks too. And the thing about Rockestra is it sounds good while it's playing but it doesn't add anything to the album after it's over, y'know? It's a flourish, this thing McCartney wants to be awesome but is actually kinda ordinary. And then "We're Open Tonight" is an okay little guitar figure or whatever but it's not a "song" so much as a down payment on this being some kind of, indeed, halfassed concept album (hence its getting reprised near the end, Macca going back to the Pepper's/Band on the Run well but it's empty). And "Reception" isn't really anything. "Again and Again and Again" isn't horrible, but I would never think of it if I was listing Wings songs or anything.

I think he was low on material and wanted to get something recorded with this new band so they could tour on it. It feels like filler cause it is - there was nothing else on tape they could have used I don't think, and you can't put out an album with just six or seven songs on it so there you go. The only non-album b-side in this period is "Daytime Nighttime Suffering" which would improve this record a lot IMO - "Cage" or "Robber's Ball" apparently not even being good enough for b-sides I guess. They would have been better off doing some covers to be honest. Or even, if it's "back to the egg," work back over some early stuff that never got released or which evolved on the road or something. "Soily" and "The Mess" are dopey songs (though not any dopier than "Getting Closer," which I DO love)... but they'd sound good with this lineup and suddenly you start to have this "He's back, he's ROCKIN!" record.

The band sounds great, though it's hard to shake the sense of them as "shit, let's hire some young guys, we gotta stay current!" We were talking about that "Last Flight in Glasgow" live bootleg that's on Youtube a while back, right? They sound okay! It's not a radically different sound or anything but it sounds good and one or two things that are maybe forced on the record are already sounding a bit better. I'm disappointed they didn't try to rework "Mull of Kintyre" as another "response to new wave" or whatever but "Band on the Run" is just slightly more roaring and hard-hitting and it's cool. Were it not for the bust maybe they would have really gelled (and we wouldn't have gotten McCartney II, or who knows).

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:50 (three years ago) link

Moka, there's scattered good stuff in the 80s/90s, I don't think he ever just entirely lost it but the hit/miss ratio does change kind of suddenly at a certain point. McCartney II is a totally different kinda trip, that's great. Tug of War is probably his strongest and best-recorded set of material between that and Flaming Pie, though YMMV - it can be a bit too precious and polished and there are some duds. Flowers in the Dirt has very good songwriting, the sound and performances may or may not be your bag though depending where you stand on adult contemporary pop-rock in 1989. The others you have to really cherry pick though I know ILX has some Press to Play stans.

Oh - and if you like "Young Boy" you might like "Hope of Deliverance" and some other stuff on Off the Ground...

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:54 (three years ago) link

see also: MACCA SOLO ALBUMS!

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:57 (three years ago) link

Shut up, I love Press to Play and FITD.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 February 2016 01:15 (three years ago) link

I like it too! See that other thread. I really think if he'd swapped out the last couple tracks for some of the b-sides ("Motor of Love" is ghastly and leaving off "The Loveliest Thing" is insane) and gone for a slightly less cloistered and dinky sound (I stand by my "the rockers should sound like Mellencamp 'Cherry Bomb'" theory) it would be really obviously his best post McCartney II.

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 February 2016 01:23 (three years ago) link

Thanks Doctor. I think I'll try to listen to his whole discography on Sunday. I'll post when I finish.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 20 February 2016 01:26 (three years ago) link

Sincerely looking forward to that!

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 February 2016 01:34 (three years ago) link

I fucking love Back To The Egg, undoubtedly one of my favourite Wings albums!

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Monday, 22 February 2016 21:49 (three years ago) link

yeah, i come back to 'back to the egg' heaps and have never understood all the bad reviews. it's got a positive energy that really feels like they thought they'd got it together with the new line-up. obv i skip 'after the ball/something something' and that other 'name/name' one next to it because imo they haemorrhage the flow.

'rockestra theme', eh. if you don't know the conceit or why it's called what it's called, it just sounds like a fun stadium filler. this and tracks like 'old siam, sir' are best cranked.

Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 February 2016 16:30 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

tasty

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/more-hints-at-new-macca-best-of/

piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:29 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

revived only to scare Josh in Chicago

Neanderthal, Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:48 (three years ago) link

U bastard

Οὖτις, Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:50 (three years ago) link

really tempted to start a Macca song a day project from 1975-1989 or something

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:51 (three years ago) link

like, reviewing or covering or what? i think it's a great idea. not for the first time, i lament the non-completion of my wildly ambitious double-disc mccartney covers project which i think got as far as two kinda complete recordings and six other songs where i'd learned how to play mayyyybe 1-2 parts on keyboard. sigh.

sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:59 (three years ago) link

like we did with the Eagles, solo Eagles, and Elton.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2016 15:00 (three years ago) link

oh mannnnnn.

sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 April 2016 15:18 (three years ago) link

I'd totally take part, but it'd take an eternity to get through even that part of his career!

WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Saturday, 23 April 2016 17:48 (three years ago) link

eternity = Eagles posting

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2016 18:36 (three years ago) link

Eternity=Eagles' codas

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 April 2016 18:47 (three years ago) link

where's your kickstarter

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 24 April 2016 12:54 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Got the 2 CD version of "Pure McCartney" and really enjoying Sir Paul's non-chronological sequencing of the tracks. Hearing his wearier current voice up against the Macca of yore is also poignant to say the least. Groovy remastering job as well.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 05:27 (three years ago) link

I see he's still trying to bury his best solo song ever, "Give Ireland Back to the Irish"

Josefa, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 05:32 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this 1978 interview on the South Bank Show is pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZDq6LSx5vA

Darin, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:58 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

this is a p cool thing he did post-Oldchella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73eXT41uTc

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 October 2016 16:15 (three years ago) link

I'd love to see what a McCartney setlist would look like if he forced himself to work on a live show without any Beatles songs in it. I mean, I know what my favourite tracks are and what my choices would be, but I'd be very interested in which songs McCartney himself considers to be his solo best.

Again, I think it boils down to the fact that I'm bored of McCartney's interviews endlessly talking about The Beatles or his relationship with Lennon, and I'd be happy with any thoughts, anything at all, regarding his solo work (I include Wings in that of course)

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 14 October 2016 16:27 (three years ago) link

I don't think he thinks it matters what his favorite solo material is. He's not there to entertain himself, he's there to entertain his audience - is how I think he breaks it down.

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 October 2016 16:31 (three years ago) link

which is sorta the opposite of the more cantankerous/unpredictable Neil or Bob

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 October 2016 16:32 (three years ago) link

Of course, but surely there must have been times, from 1970 up until present, when he's written something and thought "yeah, I'm proud of that one!"

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 14 October 2016 16:38 (three years ago) link

He's always liked BOTR and performs many of its songs. Not a bad doc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQaqJn7dC8

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:03 (three years ago) link

He sang “Queenie Eye” from his 2013 album, “New” and "Four Five Seconds" at Oldchella in addition to Wings and Beatles songs

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:04 (three years ago) link

he seems quite down on McCartney II, I saw an interview where he says he thought some of the songs are good but the synthy production was too "cold". I get the impression that he's pretty influenced by the critical reaction his records get, so maybe the bad reviews for McCartney II explain it (and why he rates BOTR)? I remember seeing him talk about Back to the Egg being a relative commercial failure, and how in recent years he's met younger people who tell him it's quite cool to have some relatively obscure albums, like cult hits or whatever, anf how McCartney found this idea totally alien to him.

soref, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:34 (three years ago) link

He gets defensive about Ram, which was his idea of a great record in 1971; he still tells the story of bumping into a guy while skiing who told him, "Great record, Paul."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:36 (three years ago) link

I think soref sadly might be close to the mark regarding McCartney being easily swayed by critical opinion or even the amount an album has sold, which is a bit sad because surely he must have believed in many of those songs enough to record them. I just wonder if there's ever been a moment when a critic has savaged one of his solo tracks and he's thought "nah, fuck off! wrong!"

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 14 October 2016 18:31 (three years ago) link

I think Morrissey might be a good parallel. First band that burned bright but fast, which has informed every little thing he's done since (and influenced countless other acts in its wake). McCartney's written some great tracks, he's written some terrible stuff, he's written a whole bunch of generally null set stuff, but I'm not sure how well even his good stuff stands up outside the context of the Beatles. Big difference obviously is that McCartney is a musical savant, which perhaps makes his MOR-ness more disagreeable.

Yesterday I learned that McCartney co-wrote and played on this worthless Steve Miller track, which sort of provided the seed for "Fly Like an Eagle."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT2JGBeew00

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 October 2016 18:39 (three years ago) link

woah, never heard that. cool.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Friday, 14 October 2016 19:20 (three years ago) link

Alfred should totally do that "McCartney song per day 1975-1989" that he was thinking about doing.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 14 October 2016 19:28 (three years ago) link

if you'll help!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2016 19:34 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I'd totally contribute! I know his discography quite well by this point.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Friday, 14 October 2016 19:56 (three years ago) link

He's always liked BOTR and performs many of its songs. Not a bad doc:

📹


Never had seen this. Pretty good stuff on the early Wings days and the challenge of getting Linda up to speed in the band.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 04:39 (three years ago) link

he played Temporary Secretary when I saw him live two years ago

akm, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 04:41 (three years ago) link

I can think of shitloads of songs he doesn't play anymore that would go down well: 'My Brave Face', 'Only Love Remains', 'This One', 'Take It Away' etc.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:23 (three years ago) link

he never ever plays No More Lonely Nights, which is weird considering it might be his last huge hit.

akm, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:37 (three years ago) link

Yeah, that one too!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 18:24 (three years ago) link

supposedly (well according to him anyway) he'd just had a big row with Lennon when he did the drum take on that Steve Miler track. he says he took his anger out on the drums and that you can 'hear it' but i never could really.

piscesx, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:41 (three years ago) link

was listening to Mac unreleased stuff on youtube over the wkd, and heard a demo he did of My Brace Face w Costello. And wow, I never picked up how retro old school Beatles it is. The finished track 80s-izes it up a bit, but the demo sounds like something that would have been on Hard Days Night or Beatles for Sale.

Dominique, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 15:29 (three years ago) link

indeed ! I didn't know that version and just listened to it following your post.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 15:36 (three years ago) link

yeah those costello demos are all really good.

akm, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 16:46 (three years ago) link

yeah, this is nice! reminds me once again of my theory that flowers in the dirt, had it been produced as an 80s roots-rock album (by say, don gehman), would be much better-remembered today.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 16:49 (three years ago) link

It's one of my favourite McCartney albums as it stands!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:58 (three years ago) link

i'm having deja vu so i'm pretty sure i've posted all of this not too long ago... but i really like it too! if he'd swapped in some of the b-sides for the weaker stuff (especially the godawful "motor of love") i think it would at the least be mentioned in the same breath as tug of war, way more often.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:08 (three years ago) link

'Motor of Love' isn't one of his best solo tracks, but when I think about it the only thing I can find fault with is the lyrics, which are... typical McCartney filler stuff.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:16 (three years ago) link

I get the impression that some of the contemporary reviewers did receive Flowers in the Dirt as, if not roots-rock, then at least as a return to something more gritty and raw after Hugh Padgham's production on Press to Play, e.g. this is from the NYT review:

He has also abandoned the self-conscious trendiness that made his last album of original material, 1986's ''Press to Play,'' sound posed and dated. Instead, he has found a sound that is varied and fresh, yet firmly rooted in his own past.

but the passage of time has kind of smoothed away the differences and they both sound very 80s now. I like the production on Flowers in the Dirt though, probably more so than the "live in the studio" sound he went for on Off the Ground

soref, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:16 (three years ago) link

Yes, me too. Particularly the drum sound on things like 'Figure of Eight' (underrated song)

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:18 (three years ago) link

xpost A while back I went through and learned (to the best of my remedial abilities) how to play the first Elvis Costello album on guitar, and boy is it more Beatles-infused than I ever noticed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:38 (three years ago) link

LOVE "Figure of Eight," notably how it sounds DIY and hi-tech at once.

I have such an antipathy to "dated" as a pejorative. Ad the always sounds delicious dated, but the 12-string guitar sound of the mid '60s does not? AOK.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:40 (three years ago) link

Uh that should say "Synths always sound dated..."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:41 (three years ago) link

Distractions, We Got Married, This One, the othet singles -- I like it a lot.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:42 (three years ago) link

Gonna give Flowers In The Dirt a listen... it's been a while! I've had the outro from 'We Got Married' stuck in my head for the last half hour.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:18 (three years ago) link

It doesn't work out if ya don't work at it... doot doot do!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:19 (three years ago) link

Okay, so I've just been reminded of how much I love 'Distractions', one of those McCartney songs that seems to come more from a personal place. Usually McCartney either shies away from the personal or obfuscates it.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:50 (three years ago) link

with a Clare Fischer string arrangement!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:56 (three years ago) link

'That Day Is Done' is another top tier McCartney track as well, IMO. I'd say if I had to pick one song from Flowers In The Dirt that I don't like as much as the others, I'd say 'How Many People' ...

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:07 (three years ago) link

It's a bit long -- my complaint about the album.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:09 (three years ago) link

Yep, ten tracks would have been perfect!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:13 (three years ago) link

Figure of Eight is great - actually had it stuck in my head for a couple days a week or two ago. Good walking-pace tune.

How Many People is dire though - and the other thing one might forget about Motor of Love is that it is about five hundred years long. This One and Back On My Feet would have made a much, much better back end to the record.

I don't really have a problem with 'dated' stuff... I mean, I'm on record as a fan of ''Ou Est Le Soleil,'' ''My Brave Face,'' etc. Just mean that the production on this album may be a barrier to people discoverng it, critics thinking to include it in ''the essential McCartney albums'' lists, etc., which is unfortunate since the material is so good.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:33 (three years ago) link

To me the album stops after the last minute of "That Day is Done" and the thought of a McCartney album in which "motor" and "love" work in the same sentence and one in which he wrote a save-the-rainforests! anthem.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:41 (three years ago) link

Yup, those are pretty much the two tracks I'd bump off the album and leave the rest of the sequencing as-is. 'We Got Married' would be the perfect side one closer, and 'That Day Is Done' actually feels like an album closer. I guess 'Don't Be Careless Love' works in the penultumate position too.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 22:10 (three years ago) link

A few thoughts:

We Got Married would be a lot better without the bombastic David Foster production.

This One is really catchy.

My Brave Face is good, not great.

Figure of Eight is the only Trevor Horn production that works on FitD.

Put It There is really underrated.

Press To Play is a better album.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 04:19 (two years ago) link

i just can't get behind that assertion. I love mccartney, even some of his dreck, but I've never understood the allure of that album. People who love it seem to really love it. It sounds so forced to me.

akm, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 14:30 (two years ago) link

agree on Put It There. Mama's Little Girl is another pretty acoustic number in the vein of Put It There and I Will, it was recorded during the sessions for Red Rose Speedway in 1972 but wasn't released until 1990 when he put it on the b-side of the Put It There single:

https://youtu.be/2ACW8TUEqUw

- SOLO - Pink Dolphin, Bubbling Cassina (frog), Indris, Monkeys, Tiger (soref), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 14:59 (two years ago) link

I owe Naive Teen Idol for introducing me to PTP a decade ago.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 15:12 (two years ago) link

We Got Married would be a lot better without the bombastic David Foster production.

Hmm. Not sure about this, the big production is one of the reasons I love that track so much!

This One is really catchy.

Yep! A great choice of single that should be seen as a solo McCartney classic and McCartney really should be playing it live. Horrid video, though, yet more "I used to be in The Beatles, y'know" shite.

My Brave Face is good, not great.

Disagree completely... it's great! I think it's very well written musically. The only thing I'd change in the lyric is the "I've been breaking up dirty dishes and throwing 'em away" line!

Figure of Eight is the only Trevor Horn production that works on FitD.

Hmm. I'd think I kinda agree with that.

Put It There is really underrated.

I definitely agree with this!

Press To Play is a better album.

Ooh, definitely don't agree with this, although the highlights of Press To Play are very good and on the whole the record doesn't deserve the amount of shit it gets (see also: Back To The Egg, which is excellent and doesn't deserve the shit it gets at all)

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 16:56 (two years ago) link

Press To Play should have been the "Press" EP - title track, "Good Times Coming," "Pretty Little Head" and "Only Love Remains." Nice little variety-pack from dear old Macca. The rest is profoundly forgettable.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 17:55 (two years ago) link

Or just, like, spread it around between the "Press" and "Spies Like Us" singles. He didn't have an album's worth of great material in him and he'd have been better off just touring, noodling around, letting things percolate. There was great potential in a lot of the never-released cuts from this period - "Squid" is lovely, and "Lindiana" and "Love Come Tumbling Down" have strong hooks - they just need more work. All three are better than most of Press to Play.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:07 (two years ago) link

Back to the Egg just has a stupid cover/title, and the "rockestra" stuff is goofy, otherwise I reckon it's rep'd be a lot better. There's so much good stuff on it. "Getting Closer" is about my fav PM single. Xpost

albvivertine, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:11 (two years ago) link

Urgh "its"

albvivertine, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:12 (two years ago) link

'Press' and 'Only Love Remains' are two of my favourite solo McCartney tracks, and 'Pretty Little Head', 'Talk More Talk' and 'Strangehold' still work their way into my mind from time to time. I'm not really much of a fan of 'Good Times Coming' or... shit, I'm going to have to look at the tracklisting to see what else is on it...

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:43 (two years ago) link

*'Stranglehold', rather.

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:44 (two years ago) link

I love the "Feel the Sun" section of "Good Times Coming." And "Stranglehold" has pep, good horn chart, and nice chord changes -- I credit Eric Stewart. Also: first time "preamble" ever appeared in a pop song.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 20:42 (two years ago) link

Guys, "However Absurd"

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 November 2016 01:25 (two years ago) link

he sings at one point "however ABSOIIID"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2016 01:30 (two years ago) link

'However Absurd'... isn't very good!

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 4 November 2016 13:11 (two years ago) link

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 November 2016 22:26 (two years ago) link

It wouldn't make it into my Top 100 post-Beatles McCartney tracks, to be honest. As a tune I find it pretty forgettable and his vocal on it gets on my tits. Down there with the scraps from Pipes of Peace and Off The Ground for me.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 4 November 2016 23:13 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Varispeed vocal on the bridge is amazing.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 24 December 2016 02:57 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Was listening to "Run, Devil, Run." Rhetorical question, but why does this can't-go-wrong idea sound so shitty? Great players, great sound, great producer but ... just sounds like shit, with horrible drum sound, horrible guitar sounds. OK, maybe Im exaggerating, but all they had to do was yell and rock out in a room! It sounds like session guys stuffed in a pillowcase.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:26 (two years ago) link

that's one of his best albums!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:28 (two years ago) link

I agree! (low bar)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:31 (two years ago) link

I'mma pull it out today but idk I remember it being pretty great, maybe the best ever ''retirement-age rocker pulls out some beloved old rock tunes to cover'' type album? Title track, Blue Jean Bop, No Other Baby, She Said Yeah, Honey Hush and Coquette are all great recordings in my memory.

stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:21 (two years ago) link

His theme song to "The Zoo Gang" is pretty good. He should've done less albums and more TV theme songs.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:25 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not a fan of '50s rock and roll played with big overdriven guitars so much either. There's some good stuff on that album but I'm most partial to ones like "Bluejean Bop" and "Movie Magg" where they go with vintage sounds.

timellison, Friday, 27 January 2017 00:09 (two years ago) link

Like I said, I like the concept. And I love fifties rock. I was just not impressed by how they took this no-brainer retro concept and made it sound kind of meh. Performances are fine, it just literally sounds bad to me.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 January 2017 00:34 (two years ago) link

I hardly ever listen to Run Devil Run ... probably one of my least listened to McCartney solo LP's overall.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 27 January 2017 00:38 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Fantastic interview with Trevor Horn, Steve Lipson, and Mitchell Froom on the rerelease of Flowers in the Dirt:

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/interview/in-their-own-words-the-producers-discuss-mccartneys-flowers-in-the-dirt/

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 13:25 (two years ago) link

Just starting in and it's pure candy to me so far. Thanks for the link.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 March 2017 13:42 (two years ago) link

so like candy!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 13:52 (two years ago) link

Amazing how involved they were in the songwriting, or re-writing I guess! Forcing him to come up with a better bridge for Rough Ride, changing all the chords on Figure of Eight (!). Also super interesting that Froom kinda hates on the sound of the period and wishes he could remix "My Brave Face," pretty sure I've said something similar about that track on ILX once or twice.

This is particularly good:

Chris Hughes: Because he’s so good and can do something relatively quickly, and it can be up on its legs and making sense – I think there’s an element that he can be lazy in terms of him being great. Well… the song’s good, now I’m going to do a fucking amazing arrangement and amazing performances. Some of his records, his headspace, you get the impression that he’s doing it and it’s all right, and it makes sense, and it’s Press to Play. There’s other times where somewhere, someone’s obviously said – or he’s thought – “actually, this might as well be great”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrD-QK6skE

^^^ Paul's version of a couple of these events. Gotta say the producers' account is a lot more convincing. Oh well.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 March 2017 14:07 (two years ago) link

I don't understand their fascination with "Rough Ride," a non-entity that stops the album dead.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 14:15 (two years ago) link

I've always liked that one! I think they're responding to its degree of fleshed-outedness as a song, and maybe some kind of interest/possibility sparked by the title line? Versus something like "Motor of Love" which feels like a really flabby and shapeless composition where Paul is imagining it getting fixed through the recording process.

So odd that "Ou Est Le Soleil" would be his "Myth of Fingerprints" moment.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 March 2017 14:20 (two years ago) link

Firstly, I don't get Horn's fascination with 'Rough Ride' beyond the fact that he worked on it. I like the song, but I don't think it's anywhere near the best thing on there and doesn't work as the second track on the LP.

Secondly, thanks to Horn and Lipson for contributing to making 'Figure of Eight' a highlight of the record and not just another Macca old-style rocker.

Thirdly, Froom is fucking wrong about '80s production.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 18:33 (two years ago) link

and he says it at least three times

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

I want to remind Froom's clinkety-clank "'90s production" on the stuff he worked on that decade sounds words

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

I always enjoy reading about things getting tense between McCartney and producers in the studio, whether it be Lipson or Padgham or Godrich or whoever.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 18:52 (two years ago) link

i like froom's 90's production. and I agree with him that my brave face doesn't sound great (nor does most of this album) mainly due to the production, which is unfortunate since some of the songs are really good.

akm, Sunday, 26 March 2017 19:13 (two years ago) link

see I don't find a thing wrong with "My Brave Face."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

Hahah I think we've had this discussion several times. I like it fine with its bright poppy 80s sound - I just imagine a version of that track and this album that's much closer to a "roots rock" sound, and I like that version better.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:00 (two years ago) link

Ha, yeah. "Roots rock" is as much a collection of attitudes about recording music as it is a sound. Look at Froom's befuddlement about what constitutes '80s production -- he thinks it's "artificial" or something.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:04 (two years ago) link

I think 'My Brave Face' is actually perfect - like Alfred, I can't find a thing to fault with it.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:04 (two years ago) link

"Rough Ride" is dreadful. It is beyond comprehension to me that Trevor Horn, Steve Lipson and Paul McCartney would think otherwise all these years later.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:11 (two years ago) link

Know all the '70s singles, love exactly two: "Maybe I'm Amazed" and "Junior's Farm." Don't own any of his solo albums--I've got Band on the Run and, still, my high-school copy of Speed of Sound--and the window on buying them basically closed when I moved out of my teens. (By which I mean that, for me, the Beatles, the first Lennon album, and a handful of George/Ringo singles were all I needed.)

Long preface to explain how I managed to hear a Paul song from his first album for the first time ever last week. I've forgotten already how I stumbled over it, but I sure do love it. (Searched "something" on this thread and it seems to be absent.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHTCWY7Lvpk

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:26 (two years ago) link

Having just finished a rewatch of Mad Men, I really wish they would have ended a season-7 episode with that.

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:29 (two years ago) link

It's a good one!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:30 (two years ago) link

It's just such a (to coin a phrase) early 1970 song, pitched halfway between the White Album and the singer-songwriter moment. Think I've listened to it 20 times the past week.

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:34 (two years ago) link

I like how he showcases a different instrument he's playing, often with just a note.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:36 (two years ago) link

It's a mere scrap of a song, IMO, and not really essential McCartney material for me.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:48 (two years ago) link

Not surprisingly, I'd say that's no small part of what makes it so great--you start formally arranging that song, and adding on some of the goop McCartney was prone to, and I think you'd lose it's beauty. The White Album's filled with what are basically scraps and fragments.

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:54 (two years ago) link

i was going to say, thrown-off fragments is a very mcartney thing -- overcompletion is often his flaw

mark s, Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:56 (two years ago) link

clem, have you heard this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mt_HTeERRg

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:56 (two years ago) link

Ah, 'Every Night' ... that's more like it!

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 21:59 (two years ago) link

I think I auditioned that one last week after I found "That Would Be Something." Also nice, and I'm going to get hold of the first album. Obviously I was wrong to ignore it all this time.

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:01 (two years ago) link

The thing I love about 'Every Night', aside from that it's an excellent song and one of the highlights of McCartney (IMO) is that it's lyrically a real reflection of where McCartney's head was at when he wrote it, and his feeling low circa The Beatles splitting.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:02 (two years ago) link

The fragments on that album represent some of his most realized work, I think, partly because ordinarily his attention span doesn't let him think songs through, therefore the arrangements are supposed to solve the problem. Your point about those Paul songs as midway between TWA and '70s singer-songwriter rock makes sense. He didn't fit in with Mitchell, Taylor, Young, et. al, or even with the Richard Thompson faction in England. His attraction to whimsy and affect is closer to Ferry-Bowie.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:04 (two years ago) link

and closer to music hall too -- which means it still remains ideologically close to Ferry-Bowie.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:05 (two years ago) link

Hmm. I vastly prefer McCartney in "big budget" mode, rather than the tossed-off goofing of McCartney, McCartney II, Wild Life and some of his tracks on the white album.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:12 (two years ago) link

where McCartney's head was at when he wrote it, and his feeling low circa The Beatles splitting

I generally avoid trying to figure out what musicians are feeling, and just stick to what I'm feeling, but along with that--which makes sense--maybe he also suddenly felt great freedom: new decade, new wife, and all of a sudden he could do whatever he wanted musically. That's what I hear in "That Would Be Something," amazement and surprise and discovery.

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:15 (two years ago) link

Well, McCartney himself has gone on record as confirming that that is what 'Every Night' was about - feeling miserable and depressed about the end of The Beatles, but yes, also being obviously glad that Linda was there to support him and see him through it.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:25 (two years ago) link

I see McCartney as both an exercise in just messing about and seeing what happens and an excuse to get rid of a couple of his Beatle-era compositions that the band didn't record a final version of, like 'Junk' and 'Teddy Boy'

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:28 (two years ago) link

Grateful Dead did a cover of "That Would Be Something."

timellison, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:32 (two years ago) link

"Roots rock" is as much a collection of attitudes about recording music as it is a sound.

Not sure I'm following you, Alfred - are you saying "My Brave Face" is roots rock?

timellison, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:40 (two years ago) link

Talking about McCartney's more personal lyrics, it makes me chuckle every time I listen to New where he essentially gives Beatle fans a bollocking on 'Early Days' for giving Lennon credit for stuff he did.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:43 (two years ago) link

(xposts) That makes total sense--there's a real Grateful Dead feel to it, and, without having thought about it, that's probably a big part of the song's appeal to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMHaE5AP8G8

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:44 (two years ago) link

(The Grateful Dead, as is their habit, de-fragment it...)

clemenza, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:51 (two years ago) link

Not sure I'm following you, Alfred - are you saying "My Brave Face" is roots rock?

― timellison, Sunday, March 26, 2017

Not at all -- I'm responding to the idea that we should've stripped down those FITD productions.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:56 (two years ago) link

A track like 'We Got Married' would lose most of its appeal for me if it were done in, say, the style of McCartney or Wild Life.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:06 (two years ago) link

Just listened to the demos on the Special Edition of Flowers in the Dirt – pretty sure that I enjoyed every demo on this set more than any song on the album proper. The interplay with Costello is legit and a number of the songs they didn't otherwise record are excellent.

Pretty clear to me based on the record itself and that interview (which was excellent – thx for sharing, Alfred) that McCartney had no idea what he wanted to do on this record. Five different outside producers (thankfully no interview with David Foster), a major collaborator for songwriting, tossed off jams mostly written by outsiders does not a masterpiece make. Of course the talent was still there—as evidenced by said demos which are required listening for Macca fans—but the feel for the market wasn't. Man, when that goes it goes quickly.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 March 2017 00:08 (two years ago) link

I see it as McCartney's attempt to record his own multi-producer project, so common in the '80s starting with Private Dancer, but had been in control too long to cede it.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 00:24 (two years ago) link

The fragments on that album represent some of his most realized work, I think, partly because ordinarily his attention span doesn't let him think songs through, therefore the arrangements are supposed to solve the problem. Your point about those Paul songs as midway between TWA and '70s singer-songwriter rock makes sense. He didn't fit in with Mitchell, Taylor, Young, et. al, or even with the Richard Thompson faction in England. His attraction to whimsy and affect is closer to Ferry-Bowie.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:04 PM (yesterday)

i agree w/ this totally. for all its fragmented, half-finished nature, mccartney's first album has always been one of my favorites. the songs feel vibrant and alive the way a great artist's casual sketches sometimes do. i imagine a lot of paul's best songs began something like "that would be something" -- just a hint of a tune and a couple of lines he woke up singing to himself. i think what makes the album special -- and gives it a very different feel to anything he'd done with the beatles, or anything he'd do with wings -- is that there's no sense that paul's singing with an audience in mind. this feels like something he did entirely for himself. in a way it feels as personal as lennon's first solo album.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 27 March 2017 01:16 (two years ago) link

""Rough Ride" is dreadful. It is beyond comprehension to me that Trevor Horn, Steve Lipson and Paul McCartney would think otherwise all these years later."

things like this make me really wonder...when a bunch of people I toherwise completely respect, whose taste seems to be pretty on the mark...wtf. that song sucks. so does soliel.

akm, Monday, 27 March 2017 01:45 (two years ago) link

I see it as McCartney's attempt to record his own multi-producer project, so common in the '80s starting with Private Dancer, but had been in control too long to cede it.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 27, 2017 12:24 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup, this is the way that I see it too. This was a bit of a "comeback" record for him after Press To Play and was about to go on tour, so I guess he wanted to ensure that he had an album in the bag that was bang up to date sonically... and what better way of doing that than use the best producers available? Because he could, because he's Paul McCartney.

Also, this wouldn't be the last time he'd make a multi producer record. His last one had several, too.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 01:50 (two years ago) link

And just like that my Twitter feed turns up this lucky penny:

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2015/09/12/never-like-this-paul-mccartneys-press/

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 March 2017 02:10 (two years ago) link

ha! You inspired it all these years ago!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 02:28 (two years ago) link

mccartney? poor man's emitt rhodes

salthigh, Monday, 27 March 2017 02:36 (two years ago) link

Greg Kurstin is producing the new album.

timellison, Monday, 27 March 2017 03:12 (two years ago) link

"Ha, yeah. "Roots rock" is as much a collection of attitudes about recording music as it is a sound. Look at Froom's befuddlement about what constitutes '80s production -- he thinks it's "artificial" or something"

nah, folks who have issues with 80s production are usually opponents of gated reverb on drums and chorus effects on guitars. that's it, really.

Darin, Monday, 27 March 2017 06:43 (two years ago) link

that's my point!

My review of the reissue.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 16:19 (two years ago) link

More interviews with Costello and McCartney about this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/after-john-paul-mccartney-found-another-partner-to-get-the-most-out-of-him-the-proof-is-finally-emerging/2017/03/16/ae2fe91c-09a7-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html?utm_term=.3c1c977a15a8

Costello did politely urge McCartney away from the instrument he was using, a modern bass with five strings. (“A perversion of nature,” says Costello.) He asked McCartney to pull out his old Hofner. The bass still had a Beatles set list taped to it.

Costello: I wasn’t being funny or being in any way sentimental. I honestly thought [the new bass] disguised his musical personality when he was playing. He actually played his Rickenbacker on a lot of the tracks. He played the Hofner on “Veronica,” that he played on my session [for Costello’s album “Spike”]. Because he knew I liked the sound of it. But he flew around on that Rickenbacker, and it was suddenly like, “My God, this is one of the great instrumentalists of the rock-and-roll era.” His voice comes through. It’s as if you gave Louis Armstrong a plastic horn to play.

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:13 (two years ago) link

I really, really, really will never understand the fascination with that fucking Hofner bass.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:31 (two years ago) link

nah, folks who have issues with 80s production are usually opponents of gated reverb on drums and chorus effects on guitars. that's it, really.

― Darin, Monday, March 27, 2017 6:43 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and synths, and early digital recording, and producers making heavy use of the Fairlight CMI and/or Synclavier, and the obsession with keeping everything as perfectly in time as possible, and the way producers liked to minimise "bleed" on tracks to keep everything as pristine sounding and easy to mix as possible, and reverb on everything, and saxophones and fretless bass.

Not that there's anything particularly wrong with any of these things.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:37 (two years ago) link

and synths, and early digital recording, and producers making heavy use of the Fairlight CMI and/or Synclavier, and the obsession with keeping everything as perfectly in time as possible, and the way producers liked to minimise "bleed" on tracks to keep everything as pristine sounding and easy to mix as possible, and reverb on everything, and saxophones and fretless bass.

man this is like Orson Welles reciting a list of Jake Gyllenhaal's yummiest parts

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:40 (two years ago) link

xp

things were far more out of sync in the 70s

F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:40 (two years ago) link

i typically like gated reverb etc but listening to flowers in the dirt this morning I was really bothered by the snare sounds, they just sound shitty throughout the record.

akm, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:57 (two years ago) link

Hmm, I disagree. The only time I ever think the snare sound gets a bit much is on 'Motor of Love', which is really heavily reverbed and sounds like a machine (although, I guess it suits the nature of the track) - otherwise, the drums in general sound fine to me. I'm less taken with the drum sound on Press to Play, tbh.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 18:12 (two years ago) link

and synths, and early digital recording, and producers making heavy use of the Fairlight CMI and/or Synclavier, and the obsession with keeping everything as perfectly in time as possible, and the way producers liked to minimise "bleed" on tracks to keep everything as pristine sounding and easy to mix as possible, and reverb on everything, and saxophones and fretless bass.

yeah, I suppose some more extremists might extend their gripes this far, but usually, when I push someone to explain their distaste for this era of production, it comes down to chorus and gated reverb.

Darin, Monday, 27 March 2017 19:36 (two years ago) link

To me it's the alternately overstuffed mixes and too-clean recordings of individual tracks that merit another pass on this particular album. There's others where chorus and reverb are totally the boogeymen but the pushed snares only rankle in a few places. "Motor of Love" is like "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" slowed down and sucked dry of life. But, to be fair, I might like it a lot if you stripped Macca's lead vocals off, added some barely-intelligible recordings of household conversations and wordless vocal chants, and told me it was a new Memory Tapes cut. But to the extent that it's meant to be a song, it just feels like a not-very-good thirty-second nugget has been stretched out to six minutes with McCartney trusting the producers to add things to massage it all out.

"My Brave Face" is just a shade too trebley, too clean, lacking in mid-range or something... maybe I'm being too dogmatic about what I expect out of a pop-rock song. I don't necessarily want it to sound like "Young Boy" or "Hope of Deliverance" either. The thing is though with that one the songwriting and lyric are ace and so the 'period' elements are something I basically accept as part of the recording even if I can imagine it having more life and warmth at a different moment. It's like how I think the pre-Revolver Beatles albums are fucking great even if I will always wish they'd turned the drums way up.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 March 2017 19:48 (two years ago) link

xp
For me, the 80s stuff I don't like from McCartney that regards productions (and not the songs themselves) has to do w/a sterility that tends to rob the power of otherwise good songs (imo his '83-89 period suffers from this a lot). Lots of 60s/70s artists struggled with this in the 80s, and it's not really a matter of the production itself being inherently bad, but artists not really using it in a way that optimized what it could do. Like, no one is complaining that YMO used too much gated reverb.

Dominique, Monday, 27 March 2017 19:49 (two years ago) link

wish they'd done just one roots alb tho

mark s, Monday, 27 March 2017 19:52 (two years ago) link

Martin Denny was their roots!

Dominique, Monday, 27 March 2017 19:58 (two years ago) link

Motor of Love" is like "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" slowed down and sucked dry of life.

Chris Hughes of TFF produced it so

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 20:13 (two years ago) link

Lots of 60s/70s artists struggled with this in the 80s, and it's not really a matter of the production itself being inherently bad, but artists not really using it in a way that optimized what it could do.

Or ageing dickheads that are unable to embrace change wanting their favourite artist to be stuck in a time capsule and not make a record that sounds current.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 20:53 (two years ago) link

I think albums like Now and Zen, Cloud Nine and Back in the High Life tried plenty hard to sound current AND play up the nostalgia card, but ymmv on those productions.

Darin, Monday, 27 March 2017 21:11 (two years ago) link

I'd say Shaken 'n' Stirred but point taken

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:20 (two years ago) link

Robert Plant sampling his old band -- was that a first?

Dominique, Monday, 27 March 2017 21:21 (two years ago) link

lol from the interview:

In 1988, Costello and McCartney returned to the studio. The idea is that Costello would co-produce the new record. As they worked, they realized they had different ideas. One day, they were talking about “That Day is Done,” a gospel-inspired ballad. Costello wanted to use New Orleans brass. McCartney referenced the Human League. Costello left the studio to calm himself down.

McCartney: This is one of the rules of my game. I will say stuff, any idea that comes into my head. And if you don’t like it, you just tell me and I’ll probably agree. But my method is to throw out a lot of stuff and whittle it down. [Pause.] Actually, he was really not a fan of the Human League. I like “Don’t You Want Me.” [Hums the chorus.] I think that’s, like, a classic pop record. . . . I can now see now that me even mentioning the words Human League would send him off in the wrong direction.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:23 (two years ago) link

Stuff like the snare drum sound on 'Motor of Love' isn't actually "gated reverb" at all. If we're talking about what "gated reverb" is on snare drums, it's a large amount of reverb applied to the source signal (the snare) and then a noise gate is applied so that the reverb only lasts as long as the snare hit and then cuts out completely, which results in a fattened drum sound without hearing the "decay" of the reverb. The snare sound on 'Motor of Love' is not gated, it's just a large amount of artificial reverb placed on the snare drum. It's the opposite of gated reverb in that it has a long decay time.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:23 (two years ago) link

Now 'Strangehold', that's "gated reverb"!

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:25 (two years ago) link

Ok, good points. I still think the drums on Motor of Love are distracting and bad though!

Boiling it down to either embracing bold contempiraneity or forbidding all change is reductive. I like the sound of plenty of records from this period, I love some of Paul's experiments with new sounds (McCartney II for example), and even on this album I think some songs sound better than others. I just don't think he had a strong ear for those sounds, a sure instinct of when and how to use them in a song (or build a song around them), and his long-standing "hey that sounds neat, let's use it" instincts seem to be failing. The multi-producer approach speaks to this imho, he's looking for other people to sort it all out for him. Maybe it came from the label tho, idk.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:36 (two years ago) link

xxpost Ugh man I knew there was a reason i could never stand EC haha

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 March 2017 22:24 (two years ago) link

Listening to this album, I forgot how much I love "Put It There". My dad passed away last month and listening to this one made me tear up.

Darin, Monday, 27 March 2017 22:58 (two years ago) link

Sorry for your loss. That song has a real intimacy and warmth. And Martin's string arrangement is a deft touch.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:14 (two years ago) link

I'm sorry to hear that, Darin.

I lost my dad last year, and that song has come into my mind more than once since then. I've always thought it was a really lovely tune, but I think as a teenager I found it a little hokey and distanced myself from it, whereas as an adult I can really appreciate the sincerity of an idea like that. Which also describes, in a small way, certain things about how I related to my dad. And he was generally, of the two of us, the one to make a point of reaching out and saying something useful like "don't be a stranger, stay in touch," even if generally he was pretty vague emotionally in that guys-who-don't-verbalize-feelings way. Which reminds me of the father in this song, making the choice to extend an olive branch when maybe his inertial tendency would be to stay silent. I was his youngest son, too.

So... tearing up, yeah. I'm with you.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:39 (two years ago) link

Thanks to both of you. And sorry for your loss, too, Doctor Casino.

Darin, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 05:17 (two years ago) link

Appreciate it, Darin. For what it's worth, not knowing your situation at all, but for me at least it has gotten easier with time.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 12:43 (two years ago) link

Hope I didn't sound too cavalier in my earlier post, Darin. I just meant that song hits such a perfectly warm note – I can only imagine listening to it thinking back to one's own relationship to their father after he's passed.

I continue to be really blown away by these Costello demos on this record. WaPo interview suggests that McCartney himself now believes these were the best things to come out of these sessions by some distance. I am inclined to agree.

That said, the whole Human League thing is both hilarious and instructive. For one, Paul was absolutely right to admire them as he did (as did Horn, which may explain the former's desire to work with the latter). Even if HL were about five years past their sell date while Paul was pimping them in 1988, Costello's purist reaction to the mere suggestion is exactly why he's kind of insufferable – and, I suspect, why Paul ultimately didn't want to keep working with him. Say what you will about Paul and whimsy, but "I didn't want to make an Elvis Costello record" cuts about as deeply as anything Lennon ever said.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:12 (two years ago) link

LOL, just noticed that Spotify is missing the last three tracks of Press to Play. They're not unavailable or greyed out – they're not there at all.

Pretty sure I'm the only person in the known universe who has noticed this.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:57 (two years ago) link

If you're referring to 'Write Away', 'It's Not True' and 'Tough on a Tightrope', then they never really were part of the album proper anyway.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:10 (two years ago) link

Talking about Press to Play, I heard 'Move Over Busker' for the first time in ages the other day and actually found myself thinking it was pretty decent.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:11 (two years ago) link

I think 'Move Over Busker' is the track on the album where the song and the production are least suited to one another, I can imagine it being recorded more like Smile Away from Ram or something. I like the production on Press for the most part though

soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:34 (two years ago) link

this alternate mix of Angry is much better than the one on the album imo:

https://youtu.be/DX6rz64xNNY

soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:36 (two years ago) link

I like the way "Rough Ride" sits in the album. McCartney goes to Propaganda-land. It definitely sounds like it was written in an afernoon but still pretty cool due to its Horn/Lipson glossiness. YMMV of course depending on how much you dig Horn/Lipson.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:47 (two years ago) link

I love Propaganda, Horn and Lipson and feel confident in saying that song eats it.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:07 (two years ago) link

Shifting gears, I'm digging into Pipes of Peace on Spotify. Notwithstanding its rep as "leftovers from Tug of War," this is a more interesting and experimental record than it is given credit for – certainly more interesting than its predecessor's somewhat unremarkable exercise in formalism and LA Express smooth jazz. Paul's melodic touch is in good form throughout – I've always been a fan of "So Bad" (which received pretty heavy airplay on MTV IIRC) and "The Other Me" is a minor hidden gem. "Average Person" could be straight off London Town were it it for the more modern production. Also both MJ collabs, "The Man" in particular, are high quality. All told, there's less filler on this than any other post-1975 Paul record I can think of.

Also, given that his slide into 80s survivor mode would otherwise feel almost too easy, I appreciate the left turns on this record: the Linndrum sound, the sawing Martin orchestrations on things like "Keep Under Cover," and the weird mashup that is "Tug of Peace."

Demos on the expanded version, particularly on oddball stuff like "It's Not On," show he was very much on his game – and point to some of the studio experiments he'd be exploring in the years ahead.

A pleasant if extremely belated discovery.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:05 (two years ago) link

Hmm. I completely disagree, to be honest, especially about the comment about it having less filler than any of his post-1975 albums... I think Pipes of Peace is one of McCartney's weaker albums, although it has a fair amount of highlights on it. It's certainly down there near the bottom of the pile for me. What he really should have done was release the best of the stuff as an EP, and perhaps bundled it with Tug of War as the Pipes of Peace EP.

I'd say 'Pipes of Peace', 'Say Say Say', 'So Bad' and 'The Man' were the keepers. Destroy the rest without hesitation.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:13 (two years ago) link

Yeah that's what I thought ... and then I re-listened to it. Far more holds up than I remembered.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:16 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I don't listen to Driving Rain as often as some of McCartney's other LP's, so it's been quite pleasant to revisit how fucking awesome 'Rinse the Raindrops' is.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:17 (two years ago) link

'rinse the raindrops' is incredible, but you have to stop the album before 'freedom' starts playing

fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 13 April 2017 00:18 (two years ago) link

it's like following a banquet with shitty vanilla ice cream

fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 13 April 2017 00:18 (two years ago) link

I couldn't agree more. 'Freedom' is def. bottom of the pile McCartney for me. Something like 'Rinse the Raindrops' though, shit! ... when McCartney leaves us and the obituaries are being written and people finally dig deep into his post-Beatles discography, they're gonna hear things like 'Rinse the Raindrops' and go "fuck! I never knew McCartney was doing stuff like that!" and I'll be like "told ya!"

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Thursday, 13 April 2017 00:30 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

New Swede Mason is relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4EcRPlaXoQ

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 August 2017 18:59 (two years ago) link

fantastic

yellow is the color of some raisins (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 August 2017 19:15 (two years ago) link

it has been a long time since i've seen something as funny

niels, Sunday, 27 August 2017 01:20 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

That is hilarious. A friend just sent me the Swedemason clip and I came here to post it and ... that's the most recent post, from almost a year ago.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 April 2018 15:08 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

New single:

Paul McCartney’s latest single is produced by Ryan Tedder and has a chorus that goes “I just wanna/Fuh You” https://t.co/UGy3MNKCM7

— Stephen Thomas Erlewine (@sterlewine) August 15, 2018

I don't know what to say other than I find it ... very catchy.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 19:20 (one year ago) link

just another in a v long line of embarassing Macca sexual innuendos

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link

"fuh" doesn't even rise to the level of innuendo

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

Ha! I like the fact that McCartney is still doing shit like that at the age of 76.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:23 (one year ago) link

this is the age of the horny septuagenarian

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:31 (one year ago) link

I'm sure our British fans will hate this, but I thought it was pretty fun, and even kinda moving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvzCTqkBDQ

DJI, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:34 (one year ago) link

fans members

DJI, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:39 (one year ago) link

The new song sounds like something Ed Sheeran would toss off and discard for being too sappy. It's not like it's Paul's first ever misstep, of course, but even at his worst he's always sounded like he's following his own ideas, this isn't even that.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:07 (one year ago) link

That’s about the least charitable reading of this possible but it may not be far off. Throughout McCartney’s solo career he has followed his various muses – one of which is to do “his” version of artists he admires. It’s led to some of his best stuff (“Arrow Thru Me” = Aja-era Steely Dan, “Summer Day’s Song” = BaAS-era Eno) and plenty of pablum. Perhaps this is his Sheeran nick. Or maybe it’s just his Viagra-era update of “Press.” Regardless, I love that he’s still doing it.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:34 (one year ago) link

“I just wanna fuh ... YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!”

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 16 August 2018 12:56 (one year ago) link

FUH! All Night!

DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 16 August 2018 13:33 (one year ago) link

it really sucks

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2018 13:40 (one year ago) link

Maybe he's calling back to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S80fSH0V9c

Eliza D., Thursday, 16 August 2018 13:44 (one year ago) link

His voice is near enough Fuh'd at this point.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link

right there
that's it
YES

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

what is this shit
https://open.spotify.com/album/7piDt78gLATzAQv5JtQ4I7?si=pIvG0pnuTCmYQAqmixrXug

niels, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 07:22 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Love how the solo in "Maybe I'm Amazed" is the best George Harrison approximation he could do. Also the muted guitar in the second verse (I think -- about 2:15). Never paid attention to this song, but really digging it (this week).

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 03:00 (seven months ago) link

Man, I've taken "Uncle Albert / Admiral Halsey" for for my entire life. There's so much to love in it -- the chirping, the harmonies ("allllbehhhrt...ahhhhl daaaay"), his voice in the Admiral Halsey part, "leetle leetle gypsy get around"...What a song.

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 01:32 (six months ago) link

If pushed, that or "Another Day" would be my POO Macca solo song.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 21 March 2019 05:28 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

I'm finally going out and listening to all of the Beatle's solo records. "Monkberry Moon Delight" was a nice find off of RAM. I kinda think that Paul is trying to get a Leon Russell thing going in the verses, but it's a bit more over the top. Kinda gets almost a Tom Waits kinda sounding growl at points.

earlnash, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (two months ago) link

I was thinking more Beefheart - his "Monkberry moooon deliiiiight" phrasing isn't too far from "Mooonlight on vermooooooont"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:10 (one month ago) link

That's a good call ... certainly contemporaneous and in keeping with a lot of his solo efforts nicking other artists' styles for his own purposes.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link

monkberry moon delight is a bit of a favourite in my household.

listened to Ram on sunday afternoon for the first time in ages. actively enjoyed it, especially uncle albert/admiral halsey, despite that being so excruciatingly paul at his whimsical worst

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:47 (one month ago) link


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