boygenius: Baker Bridgers Dacus LLC

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Just giving them their own thread, in the hopes they'll be a periodically going thing. Here's a good song off the new album, out in March:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQH1snAzwKE

Previous discussion from Bridgers thread.

no boygenius thread I gather but FULL ALBUM coming

― abcfsk, Friday, January 13, 2023 8:35 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Every time I see this thread title my mind posits a very lame non-existent Seinfeld but

― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, January 13, 2023 9:00 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Bit

― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, January 13, 2023 9:00 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like how this thread title evokes a Seinfeld-ish stand-up bit...

“First there was Courtney Barnett... she was pretty good! Like if Sheryl Crow had a few Nirvana CDs and a reliable weed connection! Then there was Soccer Mommy... when I first heard her, I thought Liz Phair was trying to sneak back into the industry under an assumed name! And now this Phoebe lady... what’s the deal??”

― it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Sunday, November 15, 2020 7:00 PM (two years ago)

― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Friday, January 13, 2023 9:09 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

There appears to be a song on this record titled "Leonard Cohen"

― Paul Ponzi, Friday, January 13, 2023 9:36 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Bring it on, the EP is glorious, and each one of them has gotten better since then. Phoebe is opening for Taylor Swift, right? She's gonna get a lot of new fans this year.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, January 13, 2023 9:54 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

it should be cute but it's actually annoying. this may be because i am a 46-year-old member of the Phoebe Bridgers subreddit.
this reminds me of a friend of mine telling me he got annoyed at the boygenius show he went to because there were so many young people and I was like "dude, I too wound up being a 50 year old greyhair at a phoebe bridgers concert and that is just something you have to accept"

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, January 13, 2023 11:01 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Phoebe is opening for Taylor Swift, right?
That has got to be either the best or the worst opening slot in the world.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, January 13, 2023 11:02 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

she'll do great but if you were annoyed by her fans now, just wait until she picks up more swifties

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, January 13, 2023 11:06 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I wish her luck convincing those people that she is more than the only thing standing between them and Taylor.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, January 13, 2023 11:07 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

man, I think they took it down, but there was a boygenius pitchfork live set from brooklyn on youtube for a few years that I watched about a thousand times, the version of Me and My Dog in it is one of my favorite live performances ever I think.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, January 13, 2023 11:09 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Interscope, huh? I guess they outgrew Matador. I wonder if Julien and Lucy are still there as solo artists.

(Old Matador BBS interests die hard.)

― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, January 14, 2023 6:23 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

the pitchfork live session is def now gone from youtube, I wonder if that's because of the band changing labels or something...or maybe they're going to release that session in some other way. I hope it comes back, it's something else. there are a few audience shot videos of the same show but they're not as good obviously

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, January 14, 2023 5:07 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

phoebe's set that preceeded theirs does appear to still be online though

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, January 14, 2023 7:36 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Genuinely excited for the album. The EP is magnificent.

― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, January 15, 2023 6:45 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep, love the EP and optimistic that they’ll all bring good material for the album.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, January 15, 2023 8:11 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Heard her on a Sirius XM radio show playing lots of melancholy rock ballads by Big Star and others and she was enthusing about Alex Chilton from Box Tops days to Big Star and solo

― curmudgeon, Monday, January 16, 2023 5:23 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

they sound fucking amazing together, once again

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:17 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Three tracks (including the above) on Spotify. All lovely but True Blue stands out as a Dacus masterclass.

― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:35 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like them all, "$20" best because I always like when Baker rocks out a little. Hope there's at least a bit more of that on the album.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, January 18, 2023 9:35 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

mightily looking forward to this. Great job on the thread title. That's all.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:14 (one year ago) link

that's the real reason I wanted to start the thread tbh

threadstarter of the year 2023, the die is cast

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:24 (one year ago) link

evident from “$20” that julien baker is writing the pedro the lion records for the kids of today

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link

The rare effort where I like them together more than separately.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

'emily i'm sorry' is basically a whole song that sounds like the glorious layered vocals on 'i would do anything' from the ep. extraordinary.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 19 January 2023 04:12 (one year ago) link

the glorious layered vocals on 'i would do anything' from the ep.

do you mean "graceland too" from punisher?

all these songs are very good in their own way, love the range they have all together

ufo, Thursday, 19 January 2023 07:08 (one year ago) link

I was hoping the thread title accurately reflected the name of the album ;_;

Tim F, Thursday, 19 January 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link

all three of the songs on this ep rule. can't wait for the album.

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 22:57 (one year ago) link

do you mean "graceland too" from punisher?

ha yes, that's what I meant, which I realized about 20 minutes after posting that but figured whatever.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 03:44 (one year ago) link

lol my dad (who will be 79 this year) just sent me and my siblings a link to the boygenius WFUV performance and said, "I like this quite a bit - pretty ambient, also very melodic." Dad otm.

I love this EP, spent all afternoon playing it.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 02:21 (one year ago) link

evident from “$20” that julien baker is writing the pedro the lion records for the kids of today

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:37 (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Feel like Little Oblivions was in truth a superlative emo album.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 January 2023 20:58 (one year ago) link

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CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 01:53 (one year ago) link

Not as caustic as usual.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 01:56 (one year ago) link

I love these songs and it reminded me of how much I loved the prior EP and that in turn got me thinking about how fascinating Baker, Bridgers and Dacus are as a group, the parallels and divergences between them make it feel like such a fantasy football type concept.

Like, Baker is such a gut punch, five shots of gin neat songwriter and performer, totally immersing you and holding you under the surface of her caustic self-assassinations. And Dacus is... not superior to that, not trying to be cerebral, not even particularly together per se, but such a wise and omniscient narrator including because she's the forgiving but unforgetting, like the kind of close friend you'd ask to write the big speech for your milestone birthday or wedding because you know they'd be unsparing but spot-on. And then Bridgers is like the perfect midpoint between those two spaces, always negotiating the distance between your fucked-up-ness and hers, and so sharply observing of both poles on that continuum. And that flows through to their music and performances: between Baker's wracked, claustrophobic presentness and Dacus's warm, smooth clarity of hindsight is Bridgers' throbbing spectrality, the moment when the present just begins to slip into the past, your awareness of it a sign that it's already passing.

Tim F, Monday, 6 February 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

who sings "$20"?

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link

I love the random HOW LONG'S THAT CHEVY BEEN ON CINDERBLOCKS

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link

Tim F otm about their relative strengths and artistic personas, they balance each other in interesting ways.

That's Baker singing lead on $20 right? With Dacus and then Bridgers coming in.

Yes. Baker sings first, if that helps.

alpine static, Monday, 6 February 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link

mama told me that it don't run
on wishes but that i should have fun
pushing the flowers that come up
into the front of a shotgun
so many hills to die on

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 6 February 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link

“$20” doesn’t really sound like anything Baker has done before, right? I feel like it was definitely worked up from the three of them jamming. Whereas “Emily I’m Sorry” and “True Blue” could both be songs which Bridgers and Dacus respectively brought to the sessions almost fully-formed and then the trio augmented.

Tim F, Monday, 6 February 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link

That's my take too.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link

Yeah "$20" def feels more like a collaboration. Hope the album has more of that.

well yes the instrumentation and backing vocals, and the outro I guess, but verses sound very julien baker to me

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 09:53 (one year ago) link

even through the somewhat upbeat riff her voice and melodic sense reach for my tear ducts

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 09:54 (one year ago) link

It definitely still feels very julien baker, just a modified version of baker that might not have emerged in a different context.

"Souvenir" on the previous EP was like that too (whereas "Stay Down" feels like a song she brought to the session).

The other thing I like thinking about with this trio is how much their songs are apt to mutate in this context.

I think Dacus's songs are the most unyielding in a particular sense - less so on "True Blue" (which just feels like Dacus through and through, and I love it for that), but definitely on "Bite The Hand" and "Salt In The Wound" (where the most memorable moment in a field of memorable moments is Baker wailing along to "I'm gnashing my teeth like a child of Cain / if this is a prison, I'm willing to buy my own chain") it's like the songs go as far as they possibly can to take the benefit of the trio environment, but they still end up sounding like Dacus songs. But the flipside of that is that the Dacus songs on the 2018 EP sound more like songs from 2021's Home Video than they do like songs from the contemporaneous Historian, as if her songwriting is some form of metal that just absorbs the strength of anything that is thrown at it, and then redeploys that strength afterwards.

Bridgers' songwriting is predisposed to work in the Boygenius context - she already likes multitracking her vocals, so the further refraction of the harmonies just feels like an extension of her existing predilections - such that she can kind of give over her songs to the band context comfortable in the knowledge that whatever emerges still could have dropped into one of her albums without comment.

Baker's songs are the ones where it's like, "okay, this is either a Baker song or a Boygenius song" is a decision that needs to be made at the outset, perhaps because of how much she fills up the space of her songwriting with her personality on her own songs. Making space for others has to necessitate a different approach.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 10:25 (one year ago) link

you really have great ears Tim F

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 11:39 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

alright, officially excited to hear this album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIX_ouNJsTs

alpine static, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link

Calling it now: album of the year.

I love this song. I love how the last line of the verses is also the first line of the choruses. I love how it is the most comprehensive blending of their songwriting and performance impulses yet. I love that the three artists currently operating who are most adept at creating a vibe of standing outside yourself and being able to expertly chronicle your flaws but also having no idea how to start unpicking the bad stitches in the mess of a cross-stitch you have made… found eachother and formed a band.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 March 2023 06:01 (one year ago) link

That video does more to make Phoebe Bridgers seem like a fun normal human rather than a intimidatingly skilled songwriter / cool kid / budding celebrity / ice queen than anything she's ever done, I think.

Also I'm obsessed with Julien's behavior on the roller coaster at :53-1:08

alpine static, Thursday, 2 March 2023 07:33 (one year ago) link

otm and otm

what a beautiful song

big fan of the sheryl crow tune too wonder if there's a slight inspiration from the vh1 storytellers stevie nicks interaction given the joyous touring video

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 2 March 2023 07:36 (one year ago) link

They were at the annual Tibet benefit at Carnegie Hall last night and unveiled another new song, "Cool About It."

birdistheword, Friday, 3 March 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link

Great song, even if these are the four best songs on the album that would be a good album.

Bought tickets for one of the UK shows today - going with my daughter who is a megafan; the EP is huge in our lockdown mythos. Ethel Cain supporting, which is pretty great.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 3 March 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

“I don’t know why I am not strong enough to be your man / I lied, I am, just lowering your expectations”

Tim F, Friday, 3 March 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link

otm

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 March 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link

I tried, I can't
Stop staring at the ceiling fan and
Spinning out about things that haven't happened

alpine static, Saturday, 4 March 2023 00:18 (one year ago) link

I've tipped over into the "this song gives me chills" zone

alpine static, Saturday, 4 March 2023 00:19 (one year ago) link

Almost as fun as the song itself is imagining them sitting around thinking up all these rejoinders to the Sheryl tune.

Tim F, Saturday, 4 March 2023 01:53 (one year ago) link

here's my tiny and pointless quibble: i wish they had repeated "go home alone" at the end one more time and kept the music going to accommodate it.

otherwise, no notes!

alpine static, Monday, 6 March 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Sold!

There’s no mistaking those individual voices. But the power of boygenius is how something weird, unpredictable, and slightly dangerous happens when these three musical minds meld. All over The Record, they prove they’re a band that can do it all, hitting peaks together that can’t be reached any other way.

All over The Record, they keep recombining their individual styles into a different kind of chemistry for each song. That’s why they transcend any kind of “supergroup” cliché. After all, supergroups are a dime a dozen compared to actual great bands. And boygenius leave no doubt about where they stand.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/boygenius-the-record-1234704024

supergroups are a dime a dozen compared to actual great bands?

not sure i buy that.

alpine static, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link

Depends what you mean by "supergroup" I suppose. Just this week I learned of the existence of the Winery Dogs, who are allegedly a "supergroup" because they include a guy who used to be in Dream Theater and a guy who was briefly in both Poison and Mr. Big.

But I get what he's saying, rhetorical excess aside. boygenius feels like a band.

i agree with that. maybe i am too generous with the word "great," also

alpine static, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 00:10 (one year ago) link

Is that Rob S’s review tipsy is referring to?

It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link

'tis.

nice piece on Stereogum too, if you can wade thru the ads.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link

Something about the way Sheffield leans into his enthusiasms so credulously makes me reflexively suspicious, but in this case I really want to believe.

I like that he picks up the switch up to the arrangement for the second verse of “Not Strong Enough”, though I had assumed it was intended to be a reference to The Cure rather than New Order.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 21:25 (one year ago) link

I'd be more skeptical if we weren't already four songs to the good. Sometimes you just have those albums where everyone is like, yup. Looking forward to finding out.

My good people

Tim F, Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link

This album

Tim F, Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link

I keep checking a certain site for a download.

I ordered the album this morning.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:16 (one year ago) link

it's good but i'm not blown away or anything, which is how i generally feel about their solo work

ufo, Friday, 31 March 2023 05:34 (one year ago) link

I'll have to listen to this later in the morning after I get some sleep - I could barely stay awake through the quiet ones that loaded up the back half and it sounded like there were some beautiful sentiments expressed in those lyrics - but I really liked a big chunk of this, particularly the more uptempo numbers like "Satanist," which may be my favorite track.

birdistheword, Friday, 31 March 2023 06:25 (one year ago) link

"You think you're a good person cuz you won't punch me in the stomach."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 March 2023 12:02 (one year ago) link

god, “satanist”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link

i am so hyped for the next julien baker record

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

*listens to “satanist” on repeat* the core, the heart music… desaparecidos… pedro the lion

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link

Oh god, 'Letter to an Old Poet'.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 31 March 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link

"Satanist" is like "Some Kinda Love": every line startles me.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 March 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

I'm enjoying the production much more - much fuller and more nuanced. I've got what I assume is a shitty vinyl pressing of the EP, but even with that the production always sounded thin to me.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 31 March 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

i'm very slightly disappointed in the album as I don't think any song on it is as strong as Me and My Dog or Stay Down, but I've only listened to it under non ideal circumstances

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 2 April 2023 03:54 (one year ago) link

this sounded nice on the first real spring day of the year. most bridges-related works have one spectacular song and then a bunch of solid ones, and on this one it's "satanist." tho i do still really like "not strong enough"

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Sunday, 2 April 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link

The only song I dislike is "We're in Love."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 April 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link

"Letter to an Old Poet" holy shit

alpine static, Monday, 3 April 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link

I feel like this is about as strong as the EP rather than noticeably stronger or weaker.

A key difference, which Carl Wilson's review picks up on, is that Baker and Dacus offer much happier songs than they were writing circa five years ago. I experience this almost with visceral relief in the case of Baker given how relentlessly self-critical Little Oblivions was (albeit often very amusingly so). But I wonder if some people will come away from this album missing the emotional intensity that is generated by these artists' past tendency to return to the well of their own darkness. In particular Dacus' campfire ballads here, while not a new style for her, basically inhabit one end of her stylistic spectrum.

(Bridgers performing "Letter to an Old Poet" which is practically a do-over of "Me and My Dog", could almost be meta-commentary on struggling to move on from where she was 5 years ago, or appearing to struggle, but wanting to - especially given it arrives at the very end)

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 01:58 (one year ago) link

Dacus is such a good lyricist.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link

"Cool About It" is such a condensed encapsulation of their various lyrical styles and performative characters, I can't think of lines more typical of Baker, Dacus and Bridgers respectively than "Wishing you were kind enough to be cruel about it", "I came prepared for absolution if you would only ask / so I take some offense when you say 'no regrets'", and "Once I took your medication just to know what it was like / and now I have to act like I can't read your mind".

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:23 (one year ago) link

This is good and looking forward to repeat listens.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 02:17 (one year ago) link

Coincidentally, that’s what Taylor Swift advising doing today (via IG Stories) – play it on repeat (that’s quite an endorsement)!

hypnic jerk (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 02:33 (one year ago) link

is 'Satanist' the best song ever?

Nourry, Thursday, 6 April 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link

Absolutely loving Satanist here too.

True Blue is my other personal standout on first few listens.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 8 April 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link

True blue is fantastic and the album is good but I’m not too sure about most of the acoustic tracks (except cool about it).

AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 8 April 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

I had to give myself time to adequately absorb the tracks I didn't know from prerelease, and basically I think it's a really good album that's a few songs short of great. I agree that a few of the folkier tracks don't register very strongly —– "Revolution" and "We're in Love" in particular — and I like them best with a bit of a beat behind them. That said, "Emily I'm Sorry" is one of my favorite Bridgers songs period, solo or otherwise, and the other pre-release tracks plus "Satanist," "Anti-Curse," and "Cool About It" are all top-notch.

"Cool About It" is such a condensed encapsulation of their various lyrical styles and performative characters, I can't think of lines more typical of Baker, Dacus and Bridgers respectively than "Wishing you were kind enough to be cruel about it", "I came prepared for absolution if you would only ask / so I take some offense when you say 'no regrets'", and "Once I took your medication just to know what it was like / and now I have to act like I can't read your mind".

superbly otm, my favorite song here

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 09:08 (one year ago) link

Put another way, the things that each needs to let go of in order to move on are very much in character and carefully (though not obviously so) counterposed: Baker needs to let go of her idealisation of her ex’s goodness; Dacus, her desire for fair determination as to where blame lies; Bridgers, her over-identification with her ex’s flaws.

Tim F, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 10:07 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

did we ever figure out who all's in the band? Jay Som on the left here, I believe (correct me if wrong) ... the person next to the drummer looks very familiar but I can't quite place them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPYc7VC6M-Q

alpine static, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

very confusingly they have two bassists in that performance?

the live band there is apparently jay som on bass, madden klass on drums, sarah goldstone (she plays with dacus) on keys, and tiana ohara on bass. one of the bassists moves around instruments i think for other songs?

ufo, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link

Am very much here for the extended version of 'True Blue' that will inevitably appear.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Sunday, 7 May 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link

Nice acoustic version of Not Strong Enough from one of the Taylor Swift Nashville shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiL6c9Qi98

They're playing here this summer at some weird festival that both cost hundreds of dollars and also sold out but at the same time seems like it's on the cusp of being cancelled (literally) for permitting issues.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link

Re:Set festival? that's their own thing too I believe, as in, they are principal organizers. Three day thing, luckily youu could get single day tickets (which I did for Palo Alto; still a bit expensive considering I don't care at all about the other people playing the same day as them)

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link

If I understand correctly, here in Chicago they put tickets on sale before they had the requisite permits, and the permit issue still hasn't been resolved.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

Also, aiui, the neighbors reallllllly don't want it. They just submitted another petition to have it blocked. Apparently largely the same group that has been working to chase festivals out of Douglass Park, they successfully stopped two other festivals at Douglass (Lyrical Lemonade, Heatwave).

If they sold tickets prior to permits, I'm sure that doesn't help their case much either. Doesn't look good with it less than two months away.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link

Yeah, a lot of neighborhoods are sick of their parks and outdoor spaces being commandeered for the summer.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link

Which I can kind of understand, I think people got sick of seeing Grant Park blocked off for almost half of the good weather portion of the year between Lolla, the marathon, private events, etc etc and it's spreading out to other parks. It seems less about the event itself, but how they lose park access for 2+ weeks on either side of the festival as well. As much as I like seeing more festivals that aren't the Lolla behemoth pop up, I get the annoyance of prolonged park closures during our precious good weather months.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link

Yeah, like this stupid urban NASCAR boondoggle.

Every week a park is shut down, that's another week people can't have picnics, graduations, sports, family reunions, just quiet time to themselves.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link

I totally understand that, though I did enjoy Pitchfork at Union Park last year. But I feel like that's a tension a lot of places, people using cities as playgrounds and playgrounds as party zones. Maintaining public access to public places is pretty crucial.

enjoyable acoustic version of Not Strong Enough up there, but i hope when i see them we get a full band rock version.

my song of the year so far, probably.

alpine static, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link

Simon Pegg just picked 'Salt In The Wound' as his final track on Desert Island Discs, which was surprising and great to hear. They've definitely made it now.

brain (krakow), Sunday, 14 May 2023 11:32 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Took my 15-year-old daughter to see them in London yesterday. The sound wasn't the best (I kept wanting to shout 'turn the guitars up!' like a doofus) and I felt very old and straight but that's all good it was such a lovely atmosphere. They said that, collectively, it was their biggest show so far but I've not been with a crowd that hushed and reverent for a while (which feels weird when it's a crowd of 40,000). I had an absolute blast.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:06 (nine months ago) link

Very much regretting not organising myself to get to one of the Halifax gigs. Edinburgh would be very much doable at short notice, but I really don't fancy that somehow.

brain (krakow), Monday, 21 August 2023 18:26 (nine months ago) link

"very old and straight" is a good way to describe how i felt when i saw them.

the LGBTQ+ percentage of the audience at the show i saw in the U.S. was many times more than any other show i've ever attended, anywhere. it was amazing to see.

alpine static, Monday, 21 August 2023 18:52 (nine months ago) link

That was a bland review upthread. I just went for a walk through the woods and everything caught up to me - just how gorgeous the atmosphere was yesterday, how that trio of people made everyone feel.

My kid came out as queer a couple of years ago and I've been on a bit of a journey with being a queer and trans ally in my work at school and well, I'm struggling to articulate how yesterday made me feel, without wanting to come across like some dumbass benevolent patriarch or whatever, but yeah, it made my goddamn heart swell.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Monday, 21 August 2023 19:57 (nine months ago) link

I had a very similar feeling seeing them in Vancouver with trans kiddo.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 21 August 2023 21:43 (nine months ago) link

with my trans kiddo, I mean.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 21 August 2023 21:43 (nine months ago) link

Thinking about the (now locked) phoebe bridgers haters thread, and while I don't intend to relitigate the issue here, it struck me as odd to think about how bridgers frequently attracts those kinds of responses but baker and dacus largely do not. Part of that it just profile level and the fact that bridgers feels more celebrity-adjacent (dating paul mescal etc), but it's more interesting to imagine that it's also partly reflective of their diverging songwriting personas.

Of the three, bridgers' songwriting feels most obviously "gen z" to me (scare quotes intended) - that mix of deadpan and archness, both numb and emotionally needy. Like, I can imagine her letting a friend know she had just had serious surgery by writing "in the hospital, nearly met my grandma again lol", whereas baker if she sent a message at all would be like "you need to pick me up", and dacus would probably be giving her friends advice from her hospital bed without mentioning where she was. To be clear, this is not what I actually think these people would do in these circumstances, but rather what the narrator-characters of their songs imply to me.

Like that line in "cool about it" where bridgers sings "Once I took your medication to know what it was like" - which is presented as evidence for how deeply attuned to the other person and their reality she is, even though it's also a totally fucked up thing to do, and of course she knows that. Like, if the song generally is about the difficulty of walking back intimacy after a relationship ends, then bridgers' verse adds another layer: "there is no document of intimacy which is not at the same time a document of narcissism".

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 07:40 (nine months ago) link

I got into this band the way I get into most music these days: a song on a playlist or a Discover Weekly, a tickle that becomes an itch and so on. I knew Julien from her associations with Frightened Rabbit and knew of her confessional style; I had a vague sense of Phoebe Bridgers and no knowledge of Dacus at all. I very rarely look for live stuff or interviews so had no visual sense of the band at all. It wasn't until my daughter got into them and they became this intense lockdown thing, that I filled in the character backstories and what they meant to the fans.

Since then I've developed a vicarious appreciation of the closeness of things, most of which operates outside of the music yet seems utterly inseparable from it: the characters to each other, the 'characters' to the 'real' people involved, the relationship to the fans. Your second paragraph speaks to this: how porous the boundaries seem, how the band seem to blur the line between drama and 'real life'. Seeing them live cemented all of this and I wasn't really prepared for the emotional wallop of it and what it meant for me and the people there. The trio appeared on stage very briefly, at the end of Muna's set and it was like 30,000 people spontaneously burst into tears. It was extraordinary but also contributed to an ongoing feeling that this simply isn't sustainable; that they're playing that is so combustible it's bound to explode at some point. Julien is too damaged. Phoebe is just a chaos engine. Lucy will tire of being the third who walks beside them. Etc etc. I know it's all part of the mythos they've built but there it is.

Now, I am well aware this may be entirely personal and a shit ton of projection because of my relationship with my kid but I can't decide if this is just new to me and it's a 'welcome to true fandom, where the hell have you been?!' or a novel situation worthy of thinking about some more. Your post emboldened the latter reading but I may well be talking complete bollocks so forgive me if so.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 09:43 (nine months ago) link

tl;dr - a daft old man is worried about the boys.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 09:48 (nine months ago) link

It was extraordinary but also contributed to an ongoing feeling that this simply isn't sustainable; that they're playing that is so combustible it's bound to explode at some point. Julien is too damaged. Phoebe is just a chaos engine. Lucy will tire of being the third who walks beside them. Etc etc. I know it's all part of the mythos they've built but there it is.

wow, amazing

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 10:03 (nine months ago) link

in the hospital, nearly met my grandma again lol

lol

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 11:35 (nine months ago) link

great post Tim F

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 31 August 2023 07:01 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

They killed on SNL tonight.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 12 November 2023 06:00 (seven months ago) link

No one has ever done less holding a BC Rich

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 12 November 2023 15:31 (seven months ago) link

I enjoyed both songs. Old man me was also won over to them in part awhile back hearing Bridgers talk about music and her family and such on her Sirius XM radio show.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 12 November 2023 17:33 (seven months ago) link

I just watched SNL and I really wanted David Letterman to walk out after they performed so I could get a handle on the relative heights of the band

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:38 (six months ago) link

wait I thought he was in the band..?

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 01:18 (six months ago) link

Big ol’ Variety interview

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/boygenius-hitmakers-group-of-the-year-interview-1235813944/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 November 2023 18:58 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...
one month passes...

Only reaching #31 on the ILM end of year albums poll must have been too much for them.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 2 February 2024 21:39 (four months ago) link

Not strong enough to be a band

jaymc, Friday, 2 February 2024 21:42 (four months ago) link

I felt like that was kinda built into their thing. They were always going to go back to solo careers and/or other collaborations.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 February 2024 01:58 (four months ago) link

(which the article also says, if I'd actually read to the end)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 February 2024 01:59 (four months ago) link

Every band is on hiatus when they are not touring or recording.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 February 2024 02:09 (four months ago) link

Yeah, in all honesty they probably didn't need to make an announcement. I pretty much figured once the tour was over, their next projects would be their own individual albums.

birdistheword, Saturday, 3 February 2024 17:57 (four months ago) link

(Actually I should reel that back in - saying that at a private show is not exactly an announcement to the press.)

birdistheword, Saturday, 3 February 2024 17:58 (four months ago) link

really like their new Gretsch signature guitar, based on the Broadcaster but without a Bigsby and has a trapeze bridge instead

https://gretschguitars.com/boygenius

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:34 (four months ago) link

My favorite of their three lovable Grammy speeches last night. (This was the third one, so they'd already got most of the thank-yous out of the way.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YIAw1Arrk

did they play "Layla" every time someone went to the stage?!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:58 (four months ago) link

or just boygenius!?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:59 (four months ago) link

I think the cues were pegged to the categories (so, "Rock Song" gets "Layla") — but I didn't pay enough attention to say for sure.

Wish at least one of those had been televised. (Or, I mean, part of the main broadcast. I guess those pre-show awards were streamed somewhere?)

jaymc, Monday, 5 February 2024 16:33 (four months ago) link

xp

It made me think of Bridgers' great Clapton diss, tho.

It's pretty awesome to see how massive they've become and how I'm sure whatever they do next they'll individually be stars in their own right even more.

omar little, Monday, 5 February 2024 16:53 (four months ago) link

gotta believe PB will move up to arenas now and Dacus / Baker to, like, 5000+ theaters and amphitheaters, right?

alpine static, Monday, 5 February 2024 17:22 (four months ago) link

Makes me glad to have seen Baker and Dacus in smallish venues pre-boygenius. Not yet had the chance to see Bridgers.

one month passes...

Neat tribute in today's Double Jeopardy round.


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