rolling emo/pop-punk/permanent anxiety 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6dORf4EVMc

kicking the year off with creeper, who will likely be fucking huge

both new Creeper songs are immense, glad they now have the widescreen production they deserve

really digging the Cayetana album, super concise lil gems

wait, cayetana album? didn't they break up

ahhh apparently it's a reissue of their 2014 album it's dated jan 2020 on Spotify. anyway it's real good!

oh nervous like me is definitely a very good record

"hot dad calendar" and "black hills" forever

i'm also guessing it was reissued bc it looks like tiny engines is in trouble

something about the new Creeper songs and potentially getting a new MCR record just feels like (wonderful) overkill to me. we're not worthy!

also stoked for: Ratboys, Worriers, Pears, and fuckin FIREWORKS (proper album rollout when)

can confirm the ratboys record is fuckin awesome

lastly I mentioned it on the punk/non-indie thread but the Chubby and the Gang record is melodic enough for pop-punkers to roll with, I think

oh speaking of bands that don't quite fit this thread but i'm posting them anyway, is anybody here a bad enough dude to be down with knock over city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGO0yCmnbEs

this is great, gruff delivery reminds me of my beloved drug church a bit

y'all

this Ratboys album

i thought they were gonna be better than most of their contemporaries based on GN and this record delivers on that

otm, it's a goddamn achievement, i may start a thread

it isn't out for a month though! is that going too far

i guess i do that all the time but it feels mean when i've heard the album before everyone else lol

For the love of God, people, go see Drug Church live.

Thrice with mewithoutYou, Drug Church and Holy Fawn

So unfair, America.

Meanwhile, the new Spanish Love Songs album is killing me.

https://www.vulture.com/article/best-emo-songs.html

i filed blurbs for this a year ago and kinda refuse to look at it directly but enjoy

how come?

vulture sat on it for a year which diminished my enthusiasm for it, but i'm glad it exists now. also i have no idea what my blurbs are like anymore

they're good, Brad.

if anyone is nostalgic for catchy hairpin-turn pop-punk, I recommend the new Pears singles (and their last album and split LP with Direct Hit, for that matter).

oh hai epic new Hopesfall single

https://youtu.be/ft8jMLJuAC0

lol i was just about to post that

seriously thinking about hitting up Furnace Fest (unless someone can recommend a better emo/punk fest this summer/fall)

ha, I too came here to post the Hopesfall

i require more eight minute space emo epics

I was really hoping the Hum reunion was going to result in new music, so I'll have to settle for these guys

btw stream the goddamn ratboys album here http://www.mtv.com/news/3152930/ratboys-printers-devil-interview-stream/

same energypic.twitter.com/CorPBPR0NU

— ༺ 𝖌𝖆𝖞𝖘 𝖔𝖋 𝖔𝖚𝖗 𝖑𝖎𝖛𝖊𝖘 ༻ (@charlatanangels) February 24, 2020

who could forget dear ratboys

yo brad any idea when they're gonna properly announce that new Fireworks album

i wish i knew

simon have you heard the loathe record

it's more appropriate for the metal thread than here but also, in a way, it isn't

YES it's really good! I actually thought about bumping one of the Deftones threads because parts are almost criminally similar and it should appeal to anyone who's impatiently waiting for the new album. I'm not convinced by all of the djent-y bits but I'm impressed with the scope.

I thought simon had bumped this thread telling you all the Pup album placed in metal poll

oh I knew that was going to happen (one of the reasons I was fine w not voting for it)

another thing that could qualify for the metal thread: the new envy record is uh so fucking good???

it really is. a lot more metal than Pup though

It is v v good, feel like it flew under the radar. The curse of consistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2C_9jLmNc

the least exhilarating of the singles so far but still really nice.

Envy usually make the metal poll. in fact a single made last years iirc

I like this recent Ratboys album (posting here b/c it's mentioned above; tho I wouldn't have thought to classify it in one of the thread title's genres).

Some of it reminds a little of old-school Sleepyhead (that dreamy, love-rock feel)... some tracks also have a bit of a Big Thief sound, like if their first album had been even poppier (though it may be the singer's vocal tone that's largely leading me there).

...actually, no, it's more than just her voice. The guitar sound too

ratboys are kind of part of the "scene." if i've ever seen a band play the fest, they belong in this thread

new Partner single close to a return to 1st LP form

https://soundcloud.com/youve-changed-records/partner-good-place-to-hide-at-the-time-1

also, in unexpected comebacks: fuckin SHINER???

https://youtu.be/Cpj92auxIwg

if anyone is nostalgic for catchy hairpin-turn pop-punk, I recommend the new Pears singles

this album in fact absolutely slays

I'm surprised at the BNM for the Dogleg album - it's a fine debut but didn't feel that distinguished to me at least on one listen

much more up my alley: Wednesday's I Was Trying To Describe You to Someone, found via my Discover playlist. lovely hazy depressive bedroom-and-garage emo with elements of slowcore and some surprising little turns. features a song called "Maura" for extra ILM points.

the dogleg is very listenable

i agree w/ Simon ... it's a really good album! and that score is an over-correction. but that's ok.

if anyone missed it last year, this is a good time to check out Fred Thomas's doom-laden ambient emo maybe-masterpiece Aftering which sounds especially great right now

A couple listens in to that Dogleg album and I'm really enjoying it.

This Spanish Love Songs album is pretty bleak but I'm into it

Camp Cope streaming live on Specialist Subject’s Instagram feed in about 45 minutes if anyone’s interested!

to everyone who recommended the Spanish Love Songs album to me.......thank u

don't know where else to post this but liking the empty country record by yr man from cymbals eat guitars

https://emptycountry.bandcamp.com/album/empty-country

we've been talking about it in the cymbals eat guitars thread! it's brilliant

ah cool, i googled for one and only found a surfer blood (lol) thread

props to PUP for making this new song sound great even in remote quarantine mode

https://youtu.be/YpCHoDVqp64

A ton of emo and emo-adjacent acts covering...a whole lot of things

https://dontstopnowacollectionofcovers.bandcamp.com/album/dont-stop-now-iii-a-collection-of-covers-more

I don't think there's a rolling thread for indie, math-rock, etc, but this might do. I'm really loving this Covet tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lpxJA-AjA

thank god!!!!!

https://jeffrosenstock.bandcamp.com/album/no-dream

oh that's a nice surprise

"Scram!" sounds like a sneak peek of the next Glass Beach album jfc

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/watch-unearthed-90s-footage-of-jimmy-eat-world-mineral-orchid-june-of-44-piebald-avail-more/?fbclid=IwAR2BzDFiQl-wkorqXT6KwQzSWG9tmmv2ju9GzxJfsJXoCo1qfOpoPm4_6M4

This is super cool.

after two listens I am ready to declare NO DREAM as considerably better than POST- but not quite as good as Worry which I don't think is toppable. also much more punk than I was expecting

Yessss! Halfway through and this is precisely the release of pent-up energy needed. Agree with Simon that it's a lot punkier than the previous. I'm crazy about the album art too.

I've listened to this 5-6 times already lol. it feels like it's five minutes long

My dopamine is through the roof right now haha

feeling extremely targeted by the lyrics of "Old Crap" in particular

sounding pretty good even if it's not a worry-level masterpiece

I assume Craig of the Creek (which I've not watched) is getting the benefit of his more showtuney/colorful side. I await his vastly improved take on American Idiot sometime after his TV watch ends.

NO TIME is full Basket Case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvYrJxNwW5I

"State Line" has been my NO DREAM highlight so far. I still think We Cool? is his best

and the title track which is pretty incredible

funny the title track is the mandatory "one song I find skippable" which seems to exist on every single Rosenstock release for me.

another new Creeper song, "All My Friends"....this rollout is taking forever but wow is this one a beaut

also I think the new Caligula's Horse record (and the superior previous one) would appeal more to emo thread cru people than most of the metal thread. big soaring heart-on-yr-sleeve shit, pretty close to the better moments on the Dear Hunter albums.

mansions! one of my favorite bands! they're back! putting out a new album on my birthday (6/26). new song is incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHx-db-OzHE

holy post-punk "Everything In Its Right Place" batman

is it just me or is modern metallic hardcore sneaking into emo records more lately? (I feel like it used to be only the reverse that happened, hardcore bands doing an emo song or two). I am not mad about this development

Seems we might not get that new Fireworks this year after all :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxTRJIvtXw

wow

makes me think of Autolux kinda?

yes

lots of emo and emo-adjacent acts on this Adam Schelsinger tribute comp

https://fatherdaughterrecords.bandcamp.com/album/saving-for-a-custom-van

including, it must be noted, Charly Bliss covering "Pretend to be Nice" which I have not gotten to yet but surely it rules

let's just say it was def not recorded in a studio but it's still pretty cool

hearing Kay Hanley do "Radiation Vibe" is so cool

earmarking for later: there's a new We Versus the Shark?!

https://wevstheshark.bandcamp.com/

mansions album came out today!!!! it's fucking sick!!!!!!

https://mansions.bandcamp.com/album/big-bad

only $5

i'm not linking it but i'm so fucking furious that billboard published an article about the attempted comeback of the abuser from pwr bttm. so furious

there's a worthwhile way to tell/cover that story but scanning the article it seems extremely sympathetic tot he point of fawning

Shortly after the Jezebel post, Hopkins read a Facebook entry mentioning the accuser’s hometown and says he became convinced that Jen was the woman he had met at the Midwest house party. “I was like, wait a minute, I didn't bring this person back to my house like it says in the article. I went back to their house at their invitation,” they say, then referring to their later rendezvous in New York, “If I'm this big, [imposing] person who you don't feel safe with, why do you want to come stay at my house?”

good stuff. not at all taken directly from the abuser's playbook

not my story to tell but i know someone they abused, and y'know maybe this piece could've never been written or published

Barbaris originally wanted Hopkins to write a first-person account of their 2017 experience as an op-ed for this outlet. Billboard’s editors suggested instead a reported story in which Hopkins as well as their accusers would be given the opportunity to tell their respective accounts.

shot

Billboard’s numerous, repeated attempts to present the accounts of these accusers as well as those of the music-industry representatives that dropped PWR BTTM were met largely with silence. The person who leveled the charges of sexual abuse did respond by email, but after expressing anger that Billboard was working on a story about Hopkins, declined to speak on the record.

chaser

feel like any editor who read both of those paragraphs would remember the existence of the kill fee

I can certainly imagine an interesting piece about someone accused of abuse who took stock, reconciled appropriately, took some time, and then all concerned wrestling with how to come back from that. This is clearly not that piece or that situation

welcome to the pop punk thread juice wrld

https://youtu.be/_YwppMLPoPg

An 11-year-old student of mine will be thrilled I'm finally getting into Juice WRLD. That song is adorable, I love it.

I really like this song from little Trust Fund-esque twee indie band Finish Flag:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQt78ikWwJw

New Creeper song 'Poisoned Heart' sounding a lot like both 'Soak Up the Sun', and 'Perfect Day' from the Legally Blonde soundtrack. I feel more neutrally about it than the other advance singles which were sounding great, but needed to record those connections somewhere so it doesn't drive me crazy later.

god we've been anticipating that fuckin album for over six months now. unfair

Arriving in September now, apparently. ;_;

acc to their site it's still this coming Friday? another delay would be silly

new Touche Amore! ross robinson produces! andy hull of manchester orchestra guests!!

https://youtu.be/MnQTsq1womA

aaaand the Creeper album, which kicked off the thread back in January, is FINALLY out today. stoked to dig into it (what's left of it that's new, that is)

this is pretty much all mid-tempo which is a bit of a bummer on contact, but I bet it will blossom nicely over the next while. "black moon" is a wonderful deep cut

hadn't realized there's also a new Fall of Troy on the way - the concept is a little strange, though

https://bsmrocks.com/collections/home-page/products/the-fall-of-troy-mukiltearth-lp

I had paid zero attention to Creeper until this new album, obviously need to go back to the last one too. But this is reeeeaaaaally scratching that MCR gothy glam-punk itch. So many hooks, and I love that it's a little cheeky but also totally unironic in all its doomy romanticism.

I think I prefer the sugar rush of the debut but I do like the new one a lot

I had paid zero attention to Creeper until this new album, obviously need to go back to the last one too. But this is reeeeaaaaally scratching that MCR gothy glam-punk itch. So many hooks, and I love that it's a little cheeky but also totally unironic in all its doomy romanticism.

same here - loving this record and will check out the earlier one too. it's less emo/pop punk and way more glam than I expected? singer sounds a bit like Patrick Wolf in his lower range, similar levels of goth theatricality too.

new black foxxes tune is immense! s/t album out end of October

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0X1PDjm8R4

I missed that the 8.5-minute "Badlands" was released earlier and it's...a lot

Waveless returns


https://open.spotify.com/track/0s3qpxAuwj5K00HnG1Hh4e?si=ZdKayTYDTUesUJhjRhOwLA

did we mention/notice there's an excellent new Into It Over It song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHodiD5sXzM

uh so this Young Jesus album

lost interest in the into it over it album after reading the press release

now that i'm back i would like to say the creeper album is perfect

ah I see what you mean re: IIOI

I need to give Creeper more front to back listens but I love that they exist

i really love the way it splices britpop and pop-punk, it's like gerard way's career in reverse

much like others were with the Beths album I was initially a bit taken aback at the mellowness but I'm learning to embrace it in both cases

but seriously, young jesus. there's even a Blue Nile ref on their bandcamp, what more could you want from yr saddle creek jazz-prog emo?

i don't get mellowness at all from the creeper, it's maximal at every turn. it's less of a sugar rush than the last one tho

"thorns of love" reminds me of the more ambitious hair metal adjacent stuff that maura plays me whenever we're drunk and hanging out

Thanks for the heads up about Young Jesus. Loving this so far. "Lark" is amazing.

it's really really good and one of the few times I've been legitimately compelled to evoke j*ff b*ckl*y when describing their sound

hoo boy i gotta hear this record

brad I am like 99% sure you will love this

on third listen and hearing a fair bit of sea and cake (esp "Lark")

was wavering between annoyance and enjoyment but track 3 is a clear step up, will continue for the whole thing

pretty good? let's rescreen. not sure i got a full handle on it

yeah Sea and Cake, Tortoise (at times) and The Antlers come to mind when listening to this. some of the guitars remind me of Kinsella-y midwest emo stuff and something like Real Estate

listened again this morning sober on my commute, a totally distinct experience (lol) but still v cool. I'm fond of the slightly more aggressive previous album as well

young jesus > regular jesus

I've given myself a forced break from the young jesus album to make sure I don't wear it out, but I look forward to returning

never knew i needed an emo-adjacent bark psychosis in my life, but what do you know

ahaha if you listen enough some truly wild comparison points start to fly out of it

"meditations" is a really unexpected continuation of the hoover/june of 44/abilene axis of emo

*listens to "lark"* do you think these dudes dig phish

I was semi conflicted about this album at first cause some of it really does seem jam band adjacent, though rarely for that long

what are everyone's opinions of Spanish Love Songs 'round here?

i appreciate the power and the enthusiasm, and i'm not gonna lie, i will take a guy screaming "keep yr head up if you're not ok" at me right now, but

i also just can't shake the feeling that they're like a fuzzy Xerox of a Xerox of The Menzingers

should i let it go and just enjoy the tunes?

I know what you mean - they're a bit basic musically, but they write very impactful and catchy songs, and the lyrics are often great. You could reasonably say they took some shortcuts but I still like them a lot.

dude sings with an intensity you don't see too often. lyrics are great. very dark places occasionally, but relatable. I do think the new album is a step better than their earlier stuff

they're definitely a more advanced/effective upgrade on the recent Wonder Years / Menzingers template of socially anxious meat and potatoes emo

lmao "socially anxious meat and potatoes emo"

perfect

i don't really like any of the bands that fit this mold (forever disappointed that not all pop-punk records are awkward breeds by the sidekicks) so i haven't heard spanish love songs yet but i'm gonna give them a shot!

I think if they shook up their song structures and got the rhythm section to swing a bit they could really be something special

in general emo/pop-punk's shift to whining about social issues instead of whining about girls is A Good Thing even if I'm not always wild about the records

that's otm

can't remember the last time i heard a record about girl problems, feel like it's been all mental illness since 2014

yeah, I guess that's down to some combo of 1) everyone getting sick of scene sex pests (not that they've been totally stomped out yet of course) 2) societal decline and 3) the influence of certain acts in the late aughts / early 10s

I'm assuming someone has already written about this somewhere though

yo simon

hurts to know we're on our own
sad to know we're in control pic.twitter.com/9hkRyDHr3h

— Fireworks (@WeAreFireworks) August 28, 2020

yo simon

hurts to know we're on our own
sad to know we're in control pic.twitter.com/9hkRyDHr3h

— Fireworks (@WeAreFireworks) August 28, 2020

yo simon

hurts to know we're on our own
sad to know we're in control pic.twitter.com/9hkRyDHr3h

— Fireworks (@WeAreFireworks) August 28, 2020

omg I went back through their socials riiiiiight before that

lmao love to triple post by accident

please let "demitasse" single a 75-minute opus of some kind

what I'm noticing about the young jesus album this time: man this is really nicely recorded esp the drums

this performance cracked me up

https://youtu.be/aRs_TdFLVgU

also idk if this is the place to discuss Bartees Strange but I'm digging the singles a lot, album's out Friday

i think he deserves his own thread tbh.

for sure

I was thinking of making one on Friday.

also did Fireworks release that clip and then...go right back to complete radio silence? rude!

lol yeah what dicks

the new Touche Amore video is incredibly wholesome content

https://youtu.be/sKHawjBPaxU

Kenny Hoopla!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_PPNbgMjg

have we talked about how machine gun kelly is now a pop punk artist?

man i love rosenstock. and that touche amore vid <3

have we talked about how machine gun kelly is now a pop punk artist?

― Spottie, Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:53 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok so travis barker played drums on every track and co-wrote/produced the whole album now it all makes sense.

Saw an interview with Bartees Strange and he praised TV on the Radio, and that's who I hear on too many of his songs on Live Forever.

^ same

i don't know if it's "too" many but it's definitely prominent

i think he's vocally very influenced by tunde, but there's a lot more going on than just mimicry.

new Touche Amore out today and very satisfying on impact

I was surprised at how much I liked the Touche Amore album.

just put on the new black foxxes :D

well so far this is like a missing silverchair record between freak show and neon ballroom, take that as you will

(i'm pretty sure i mean it as a compliment)

"panic" is fucking amazing

the singles have all been incredible

the second half is giving me massive priest = aura-era the church vibes

and the final track eventually works itself into a gish-era-sp-type jam

phenomenal album

making me think of catherine wheel circa adam & eve too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_upCb8Q6Q

attn spottie, what do you think of the new acceptance album

i had no idea it existed until tim f told me about it today but i'm really surprisingly about the springsteenian shift in their sound

warning for the general emo thread population, the acceptance record may exceed the limits of earnestness normally tolerated by the emo thread

i listened to the black foxxes record twice in a row today, it's the real deal

I'm generally a big fan of most anything Brad recommends but this:

and the final track eventually works itself into a gish-era-sp-type jam

reallllllly sold me.

listened to that acceptance album yesterday, thx brad. i think its ok, about half good. i get a lot of killers sound from it.

about half good is where i landed as well, but that half is real good

dark age through wildfires is the highlight for me.

The Black Foxxes album isn't out yet, is it?

New Touché Amoré is really hitting the spot!

An emotional rock trio from Devon eh

Devonians have feelings too

And theories. Simulation theories

OIC

black foxxes record is out oct 30

you'd best have sold it accurately lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eROcr_5j5k

lj you should listen to "badlands" and find out

Oh this vocalist!!

This is one of the most instantly arresting vocal presences in a while. The music is that good 90s stuff, as advertised

Holy shit what has this turned into

exactly

so the best two emo bands in the world have 'fox' in the name then

looking forward to "badlands" placing in the 77 and everyone getting mad at me

I will join that quest

love this youtube comment:

Haervi u
3 weeks ago
I’m strictly Electronic/minimal (the totally opposite) but I feel I have stumbled upon a track that the rock heads would die for😂

lol i noted that one too

finally got around to the touché amoré, this is fucking great

i really liked stage four but this feels like the big leap

Ross Robinson, emo king

I'll stand behind that. Relationship of Command, Burn Piano Island, and now Lament. He has a lot of credits under his belt that I don't care for but its undeniable that he had a major role in some of my absolute favorite albums ever made.

soupy from the wonder years confirmed the fireworks album is coming out this year. i sure hope so

soupy from the wonder years had best not be lying

brad you were not lying about the Black Foxxes album! what a huge step up for them.

Is it out? I'll happily listen to Badlands on repeat for 50m if not

Oh I have to wait 4 hours, grr

Yeah, this is great, even if Badlands towers above all

weirdly I'm only not totally sold on the epic closer? otherwise this is definitely scratching the neo-90s-altrock itch that Wolf Alice does for me

inner space rock

it is a bit Radiohead for me to completely love it but I can see why Brad likes Panic so much, haha. And that last minute is an almighty payoff

the first four tracks are my favourite stretch because I'm an instant gratification junkie lol

but that was the case with the Foxing album as well and I ended up loving all of it

the fox bands need to do an album together

I also really like the closing track but my favourite bit of it is the songy opening stretch

update: I have now listened to Black Foxxes a frankly embarrassing number of times

^^^same

Is there not a way to get a physical version of that Black Foxxes record in the US? Even when I go to their website and click on the literal pictures of the LP or CD versions in their shop, it kicks me to a link that only takes me to streaming/digital ways to get it.

it appears we have not talked about this band in this thread:

https://clearbody.bandcamp.com/album/one-more-day-2

album out Friday, good chunky rumbling, slightly dreamy punk/emo with vocals that remind me of other (older) bands but i can't quite place ... especially the use of looooooong, held out notes/syllables. i feel like there's a really close 80s/90s analog, but i'm having trouble figuring it out.

a very fun and economical pop-punk/emo album from this year I had missed: Teenage Halloween's s/t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT1iHP28q0

Also no mention itt of this catchy punky poppy record that is seriously growing on me 9 months after its release:

https://hotmulligan.bandcamp.com/album/youll-be-fine

Also ... did I miss the 2021 thread?

Not sure of the protocol with the jump to the new thread, but finally got around to the Black Foxxes record. This is terrific. I haven't kept up with everything itt, but this and the new Ratboys records were huge discoveries for me this year thanks to you folks.

the protocol is to wait for brad to do it lol

Haha I just meant whether to continue talk about 2020 releases in the old thread.

i think when all is said and done i've decided the Ratboys record is the best emo thread record of 2020

soupy from the wonder years confirmed the fireworks album is coming out this year. i sure hope so

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, October 25, 2020 12:55 PM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

soupy from the wonder years is a fuckin liar

lol

the last thing i heard was they're still workin' on it

anyway have yet to be hyped for an emo record this year, if anyone has any recs i'll start a new thread

yeah idk anything except that some reliable faves will reappear, including

Spent yesterday back at @sunsetsound tracking some more news songs with @JoyceManor. Those dudes wrote some great news songs and I’m honored to have been asked to play on them. No clue when you’ll be able to hear them. Also, sorry this isn’t a dog picture. pic.twitter.com/JVKueXlnHl

— Tony Thaxton (@tonythaxton) January 22, 2021

Does Portrayal of Guilt count? Their tracks from the upcoming album are excellent. I guess they are more screamo than emo, but I wouldn't dare to post this in the metal thread.

https://portrayalofguilt.bandcamp.com/album/we-are-always-alone

not seeing a 2021 thread but....new closer on the way

https://closernyc.bandcamp.com/album/within-one-stem

I think this is the first album I've heard in 2021 that would push me to start the 2021 thread, if that were my responsibility:

https://maxshh.bandcamp.com/album/feedback-pb

It's weird! There are definitely emo-thread elements here, but it's weird. And I love it.

earmarking for later: caracara covered bartees strange

https://noearbuds.bandcamp.com/track/caracara-mustang-bartees-strange

plenty here to start a new thread about, i'll get on that later today, lol thanks for waiting for me everyone

it could be no other way

thats funny. i feel like caracara, closer and bartees strange are probably the 3 best things I ever discovered because of rolling emo

I'm enjoying a couple of these tracks, though I am wondering if this might be a "small doses" kind of thing:

https://teenagewrist.bandcamp.com/album/earth-is-a-black-hole

This band definitely sounds like some big 2000s(ish) mainstream(ish) rock band that I do not know, but someone here will immediately.

this was posted to the metal thread but I feel like it will have a good home here too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbo21aWFbhQ

https://thenib.com/pop-punk-is-queer-as-hell-bro/