Backlash after Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" removed from Billboard Hot Country chart

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

I couldn't find anything about this but I found the controversy interesting and was surprised that nobody mentioned it here yet. If there is existing conversation, please link to it and a moderator can close this thread. If not...

Is this a country song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ho88VXJTBg

Billboard thought it was... For one week.

Set against a cowboy-themed game, the music video for Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" uses language of the Wild Wild West with a hip hop spin. The genre-blending tune was a breakout hit five weeks ago when it debuted on three Billboard charts at the same time: the Hot 100, Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs and Hot Country Songs.

But Billboard quietly removed the song from the country chart the following week, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. It later issued a statement saying the song "does not embrace enough elements of today's country music to chart in its current version." Lil Nas X responded on Genius.com.

"I started to think about it, I was like, you know, why? After like listening to other songs that's actually on that chart, it's like, wait a minute, something's not right, basically," Lil Nas X said.

CBS News

Although Darius Rucker had many country hits, he came from the pop/rock realm, not the R&B/rap world. We quibble about genres all the time here, especially with regard to metal. But this is interesting in that Billboard is a trade publication with more clout than any other music publication around, definitely with regard to the business side of things. And of course there's the racial aspect which Billboard denies.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 12 April 2019 15:34 (one year ago) link

it got mentioned here:

Fusion of Country and Western/Hip-Hop...the wave of the future?

visiting, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:39 (one year ago) link

everyone wants to be a cowboy

Hunt3r, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:46 (one year ago) link

it samples a track from NIN's Ghosts, that's pretty cool for a #1 hit

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:49 (one year ago) link

Posted this on the Non-US Rap thread earlier, because of the Dutch connection:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Friday, 12 April 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

i've started hearing it on the radio. it's the kind of hit that the medium has been sorely needing for a long time -- all the quibbling about whether it fits in this or that category ironically seems to be helping disparate stations that don't ordinarily see a ton of overlap work together on it simultaneously. close enough to everyone, right? tonight i heard the version w/ billy ray cyrus on the rap station's nighttime mixshow hour.

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:27 (one year ago) link

at some point you had to figure it was definitely going to go big but i can't say i imagined it would be the enormous smash it seems to be on the verge of becoming

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:28 (one year ago) link

If this isn't in the next season of Westworld, I will eat my (cowboy) hat.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:53 (one year ago) link

instant classic

ogmor, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:45 (one year ago) link

this song is stupid as hell lol

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (one year ago) link

not saying it’s bad necessarily

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (one year ago) link

it's obviously very stupid but it's also very good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

otm

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (one year ago) link

Ridin' on a tractor
Lean all in my bladder
Cheated on my baby
You can go and ask her
My life is a movie
Bull ridin' and boobies
Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:36 (one year ago) link

it's a very silly song, i do enjoy it tho

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:37 (one year ago) link

its annoying

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:39 (one year ago) link

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/keith-urban-covers-lil-nas-xs-old-town-road-822449/

Keith Urban covered Old Town Road--this version is gonna chart and people are gonna lose their minds.

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:44 (one year ago) link

Once again the white devil's stealing from the black man.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:58 (one year ago) link

I learned about this song from the pitchfork headline about “Billy Ray Cyrus lends his outlaw cred to Old Town Road” last week and my first reaction was like, admittedly I have not been closely following the oeuvre of mr. Ray Cyrus over these past years, but did I miss something re:him being considered to have ‘outlaw cred’?

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 21:15 (one year ago) link

keith urban version isn't actually gonna chart lol

dyl, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 03:23 (one year ago) link

My life is a movie
Bullridin' and boobies

Around that time, I had just watched that ‘Dallas Buyers Club’ movie. I just had that scene with Matthew McConaughey in my mind, I was just thinking about his lifestyle. That’s what I did for that line.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:36 (one year ago) link

The banjo sound makes it all work.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

The creek boys remix of Old Town Road is so damn good https://youtu.be/5bXrnvt8KjU

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:11 (one year ago) link

is this the first #1 song where the artist bought the beat from the producer after hearing it on youtube?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:09 (one year ago) link

nah, desiigner found panda on YT as well

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:15 (one year ago) link

how bout Rihanna and the Numa Numa song

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:17 (one year ago) link

lol good pt

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (one year ago) link

tbf numa numa was a standalone vid, that was before youtube was a colossal force

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (one year ago) link

yeah, and that was also a sample of the original song--desiigner and nas x literally purchased the backing track they heard on YT.

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:24 (one year ago) link

isn't the backing track just "Ghosts 34"? is it really that simple?

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:35 (one year ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:37 (one year ago) link

I think I like this. Is it ok to like this?

brimstead, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:37 (one year ago) link

its not ok to like anything you fool

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:38 (one year ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

as posted upthread:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:46 (one year ago) link

Wonder if Goldenvoice will bring this guy/song out at Stagecoach this weekend.

DT, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:10 (one year ago) link

i sing the cupcakke remix to myself all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90aQaAfXeGs

flopson, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:42 (one year ago) link

the creek boyz remix is def worth hearing too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bXrnvt8KjU

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:50 (one year ago) link

this song is good i dont like any of these covers though

ciderpress, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:22 (one year ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

... (Eazy), Friday, 26 April 2019 00:38 (one year ago) link

c'mon the cupcakke remix is great

flopson, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:42 (one year ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

― ... (Eazy), Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:38 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, "non-commercial" in that it wasn't an album with hits, but it did establish those two as like THE voice of modern ambient and they've been recruited for movie soundtrack projects that I would guess pay exponentially more than publishing on a streaming hit

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:09 (one year ago) link

lol the opening lines of the cupcakke remix are classic

dyl, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (one year ago) link

Whatever happened to the Young Thug remix?

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

I'm obsessed with this choreography

https://www.facebook.com/PorschaColemanOfficial/videos/10156130072335770/

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:44 (one year ago) link

That is fuckin rad

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 April 2019 04:34 (one year ago) link

IF OLD TOWN ROAD WAS A UK DRILL SONG pic.twitter.com/tCzqnp8Bp9

— TMC Tré (@iamTresor) May 2, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:07 (one year ago) link

i love it

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

Missing one cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUUytUkMGO0

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

Much of the contemporary pop country that I've heard seems to only be country on the basis of having been marketed as country and doesn't actually sound a goddamn thing like country to my ears so it seems like if we start challenging the designation a whole lotta 'country' folks could be unhappy about what side of the divide they'll ultimately wind up on.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:32 (one year ago) link

i was a little disappointed they couldn't get this dude

https://cdn1-www.musicfeeds.com.au/assets/uploads/Jimmy-Barnes-Scream-671x377.png

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

OL --

That's an argument made since at least the 1970s, as Charles Hughes has written about. No genre is policed for genuineness than country, and no genre has been most expansive about what belongs.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:51 (one year ago) link

I'll refrain just this once from talking too much about a thing I know very little about (modern-day pop country, in this instance), but I'm talking more about discovering after the fact that a song without any identifiable country elements is being marketed as a country song rather than a traditionalist refusal to accept as country any song that doesn't strictly adhere to the genre's conventions.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:03 (one year ago) link

is modern country "country"? maybe. do i like it? no.

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:18 (one year ago) link

old town road is fine tho

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:20 (one year ago) link

the distinction is that for at least the past several years, "country" has been defined as "pop radio if rap didn't exist." take something like "The Fighter" by Keith Urban and Carrie Underwood, or Jordan Davis' "Singles You Up" (ugh, the title)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:20 (one year ago) link

(and I know people will come in here and say "oh but Sam Hunt likes Drake" or whatever, but he isn't Drake, which is the whole point)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

Oh, that's interesting. Given my lack of engagement with pop music for...longer than I can remember, I hadn't even considered that the genre was becoming the musical equivalent of white flight. But it makes sense.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:26 (one year ago) link

the distinction is that for at least the past several years, "country" has been defined as "pop radio if rap didn't exist."

The biggest country hit of the decade had Nelly on it.

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

Country radio sounds like "country made by people who listen to hip hop" quite often

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:32 (one year ago) link

one song with Nelly on it does not disprove it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:33 (one year ago) link

(it goes both ways, too -- there are a lot of reasons you see so much Zedd ft. Maren Morris or whatever lately. reason one is "Meant to Be" was a hit and now everyone wants to copy it; reason two is that the country radio audience is, if not overtaking Top 40 (I forget what it is now, streaming has obviously muddied it), then coming very close in size; reason three is that given tomatogate and the like, female country artists probably find it more lucrative to gravitate toward pop; but I suspect another reason is that it gives Top 40 another stream of artists that aren't rap. not all stations, obviously, but given that there are plenty of stations that cut the rap verses from things like Kevin Rudolf songs, there is a demand for it.)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:34 (one year ago) link

Yeah, the hip-hop influence is becoming pervasive, and – yes, country purists are upset by it – but they're losing the battle

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:36 (one year ago) link

I'm just gonna leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsNwDjUjbfs

pomenitul, Friday, 17 May 2019 17:36 (one year ago) link

A lot of Country songs, especially after "Dirt Road Anthem," have rap breakdowns. No need for Nelly even.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:37 (one year ago) link

lol, I thought that Diplo playing the washboard was Kid Rock for a second

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:39 (one year ago) link

This is the number one country song right now...

I imagine whoever wrote the prechorus has probably heard Migos and Future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjBp30kjzTc

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:39 (one year ago) link

this is exactly what I was talking about with "oh, but they clearly heard Drake," good to know I predicted it exactly.

the other thing is that when people talk about hip-hop influence in country it's generally in terms of sound -- spoken-word sections, percussion, etc. -- but the sticking point for the sort of people outraged about Old Town Road is content. country lyrics aren't rap lyrics, and something like "Old Town Road" gets parsed as the latter. and obviously this is the source of endless hypocrisy -- if it were Toby Keith saying "bull ridin' and boobies" I'm sure people would be fine with it -- and if not outright racism then certainly influenced by race, but it's the motivation.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:48 (one year ago) link

Can't believe a genre-music built on nearly 100 years of well-established tropes isn't embracing the content of another one whole hog

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:53 (one year ago) link

The other thing is that when people talk about hip-hop influence in country it's generally in terms of sound -- spoken-word sections, percussion, etc. -- but the sticking point for the sort of people outraged about Old Town Road is content.

He calls himself "Keith Urban" but in fact...

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:54 (one year ago) link

you're welcome to talk to someone who is outraged about Old Town Road and ask them why

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:55 (one year ago) link

afaict the people chapshurt about "Old Town Road" are Brothers Osbourne who is upset that Lil Nas X is poking fun of country (he is) and Luke Bryan who's upset that he didn't pay his dues running the gauntlet of Nashville (he didn't)

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:59 (one year ago) link

I’m annoyed by it bc otherwise intelligent music critic ppl are treating genre as if it’s merely a collection of top down marketing tics instead of a feedback loop between audience and artist. It was only on the country chart in the first place bc Lil Nas X said it was country, not bc country audiences were responding to it w any kind of enthusiasm. It was a tik tok phenomenon where teens drank “yeehaw juice,” jumped in the air, and landed wearing flannel and a cowboy hat — which to be clear wasn’t even about country music in the first place, it’s about Lil Nas X being a red dead redemption video game cosplay artist

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:03 (one year ago) link

music critic ppl are treating genre as if it’s merely a collection of top down marketing tics instead of a feedback loop between audience and artist.

It can't be both?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:04 (one year ago) link

Anyway, worth a read (and so is Jewly Hight's Twitter feed):

At the Pop Conference, NPR journalist Jewly Hight’s paper traced the history of the narrative that country music is the creation and property of whites only, from the earliest divisions between “hillbilly” and “race” records to the present-day example of Billboard axing Li Nas X from the country charts. She spoke to how country has struggled with this narrative and showed some of the engines of change that are pushing country toward more diverse artists. Part of that change comes from redefining the American West, and I’d argue that Red Dead Redemption 2 is key to that by virtue of its intensely immersive experience. Lil Nas X’s song clocks in at less than two minutes, but via the game you can live in a version of what Lil Nas X had in mind in a fully fleshed-out world for days and days. Watching “yeehaw challenges” on YouTube or TikTok, which involve people changing into crazy Western gear, makes me think of all the time I spent in Red Dead Redemption 2 changing Arthur into fancy new Western clothes, or fighting over a new cowboy hat I wanted for him.

Musically, Red Dead Redemption 2 breaks new ground by showcasing time-period-appropriate folk music being played by multiple artists of color. Known as “non-player characters” in video game lingo, these minor characters are sprinkled throughout the world. Walking the streets of the large city Saint Denis, you may hear a fiddle coming from a back alley, and heading behind a building you’ll see an African American woman fiddling while her neighbors dance. Riding by some row houses, you might find an African American man playing the banjo. When so few artists of color are present in American roots music today, embodying them frequently in a video game has a normalizing effect and doubles as historically accurate as well, since artists of color have always carried the lion’s share of the influence in early American music.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:08 (one year ago) link

plus a bunch of people who say things like "I don't listen to (c)rap" -- which is usually verbatim what they, say, post on facebook

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:12 (one year ago) link

why do you follow those people on facebook?

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:15 (one year ago) link

It can't be both?

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, May 17, 2019 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Alfred, a feedback loop implies both already

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:16 (one year ago) link

I don't, I'm googling site:facebook.com "old town road" news

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:17 (one year ago) link

I mean, some rap fans on social media think pop/EDM/R&B is anathema to the culture, but that didn't stop "Super Bass" from being a huge hit

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:18 (one year ago) link

sure, which is why I specified people who are outraged about old town road, who are obviously not in the majority, but exist

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:20 (one year ago) link

this debate is abt genre solely as marketing cliches rather than genre as a feedback loop between artist & audience (including marketing cliches). This is a v top down way of looking at popular music but I get it, the popular conversation is superificial and dumb

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:32 (one year ago) link

the real unpopular opinion is that billy ray cyrus ruined the song

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

The biggest country hit of the decade had Nelly on it.

― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, May 17, 2019 10:30 AM (seven hours ago)

very bad revisionist history. the "cruise" remix w/ nelly didn't come out until three months after the song had already fallen off the country radio charts -- it was specifically released for the song's crossover to pop radio. florida georgia line were literally three singles deep on their first album on the country airwaves at the time that the remix was going big at top 40, and the version of "cruise" in recurrent rotation at country was not the nelly remix! (on a related note, some of the hot ac stations that also eventually put the song into heavy rotation opted for a version with the updated/remixed production, but not nelly's vocals. nice, huh?)

meanwhile the saving country music crowd was scowling the entire time the song remained atop billboard's hot country songs chart, which had had its methodology revised the previous year, on the strength of that remix. i guess if you really want you can count nelly performing at the cmt music awards with fgl (and being upstaged by taylor swift dancing in the audience) as evidence that a nelly song was beloved by the country audience.

dyl, Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:09 (one year ago) link

Ah, i should have posted that, thanks for clarifying

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:53 (one year ago) link

it's all in my head i think about it over and over again

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:04 (one year ago) link

that is what I should have posted, yeah

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:49 (one year ago) link

this seems like max saturation to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vWg5yJuWfs

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 30 May 2019 22:58 (one year ago) link

This is the best thing I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yvxqwlENxU

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 31 May 2019 00:36 (one year ago) link

4:15 if you wanna see a bunch of elementary school kids screaming about lean hahahahahaha

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 31 May 2019 01:19 (one year ago) link

lil nas x is a truly great american

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 31 May 2019 01:49 (one year ago) link

that Lander Elementary video really is the best thing ever.

stirmonster, Friday, 31 May 2019 02:28 (one year ago) link

btw if you didn't know this guy is an A+ twitter follow

the year is 2050, stuart little is president, the 10 year world war led by shrek & thanos has ended. old town road has reached its 1,615th week at number one and brother nature has stopped global warming. the world is at peace.

— nope (@LilNasX) May 28, 2019

frogbs, Friday, 31 May 2019 13:46 (one year ago) link

lil nas x is a truly great american

― be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

J. Sam, Friday, 31 May 2019 14:24 (one year ago) link

he's one of the best celebs hands down it's crazy lol

J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2019 14:32 (one year ago) link

i like that him being funny & good at twitter is directly related to the organic social engineering of his song becoming a huge hit! he actually gets the internet in a real way that no marketing team could replicate

J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2019 14:36 (one year ago) link

He also has that affability of a guy who won the lottery and knows it and is enjoying the ride.

When you can’t sleep so you write an emo-version of old town road pic.twitter.com/smds9fbXoD

— Beach Bunny (@BeachBunnyMusic) May 30, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:42 (one year ago) link

this song is starting to sell. i imagine it will be a goldmine for mememakers before long. (+ possibly another headache for billboard -- might as well just leave it off all the genre charts)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8vY8qkgVs

the artist's other material (on his ep) is less gimmicky but not necessarily better. literally one song sounds like a poorly produced 'trapified' ryan tedder ballad from last decade. and uh his singing voice is not always pleasant. but the last track from the ep is pretty good/interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8C3uEJBvc

dyl, Sunday, 9 June 2019 21:16 (one year ago) link

yeah, for better and worse, that sounds suspiciously like a well calculated hit

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

a most palpable hit!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

possibly poisoned with POPULISM!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:39 (one year ago) link

that blanco brown song reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTvEQjyDWw

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:15 (one year ago) link

lol @ stupid youtube thumbnail graphics

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:15 (one year ago) link

it is the kinda song i would have enjoyed awkwardly trying to follow along to at a dance in the gym or cafeteria during the elementary school years

dyl, Monday, 10 June 2019 00:30 (one year ago) link

The EP is not bad!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0Z0B8Xox0

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:00 (one year ago) link

At 2.39, that's the longest track on the EP, whole thing lasts 18 minutes with OTRx2 taking up about 5 minutes of that.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:01 (one year ago) link

The Cardi song rules. So "Panini," "Bring U Down," and "C7osure."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

Cardi verse on this is gas

boobie, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

The hook on 'Panini' sounds like to me like it was based on 'In Bloom'

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:41 (one year ago) link

nas x admitted as much, and kurt is a credited writer on the song with frances bean's approval

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:42 (one year ago) link

Oh cool, what a mensch

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:42 (one year ago) link

bring u down sounds hella grungy as well, 90's revival hanging out a lot longer than i expected

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:54 (one year ago) link

Pitchfork's Alphonse Pierre doesn't like it, wants to remind you that the true soundtrack of 2019 middle school dances is still Blueface:
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/lil-nas-x-7-ep/

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:48 (one year ago) link

Carl Wilson takes an uncharacteristic swat at that review.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:50 (one year ago) link

The EP is not bad!

counterpoint: the EP is bad

nas x admitted as much

nas x said he'd never heard Nirvana but he knew the album cover from t-shirts

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:10 (one year ago) link

an answer alone that guarantees I'll award the EP an A.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:11 (one year ago) link

nas x said he'd never heard Nirvana but he knew the album cover from t-shirts

― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, June 21, 2019 4:10 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

panini interpolates parts of nirvana’s “in bloom”. special thank you to frances bean cobain for this!! 🖤

— nope (@LilNasX) June 20, 2019

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link

"People was like, 'Wow, he sampled Nirvana.' I was like, 'No.' It's like, I didn't realize I was using almost the exact same melody," Nas X told Beats 1's Zane Lowe in an interview on June 20.

The rapper credits this coincidence for introducing him to the band's music. "The craziest things about 'Panini' is it introduced me to Nirvana's album Nevermind," he said. "It's like, I always seen the cover, but I never actually listened to it."

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:23 (one year ago) link

We are both right, settle down

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:33 (one year ago) link

not understanding the hype for "panini", pretty forgettable track imo

dyl, Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:47 (one year ago) link

don’t you be a meanie.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 22 June 2019 06:05 (one year ago) link

some of this stuff isn't awful but he's a meme maker who happened to turn a meme into a hit song... i don't get the sense from this EP that he has much future in music per se, which is prob fine anyway

J0rdan S., Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:11 (one year ago) link

love "c7osure"

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:24 (one year ago) link

rip lil nash ex 12/2018–6/2019

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:28 (one year ago) link

Then, there’s the sloppy finale “C7osure (You Like),” which sounds like B.o.B. got hired to make a J.C. Penney commercial in 2010.

kudos for going for "jc penny commercial" over "overheard at h&m" i guess

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:30 (one year ago) link

where are all these funky jc penny commercials tho

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:31 (one year ago) link

1993 i think

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:20 (one year ago) link

i had never even heard of "chowder" but i'm going to continue believing LNX has written a love song to a sandwich

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

Part of its minor charm is that it sounds like an EP a regular person of above average taste and some talent would cut.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

he seems like a pretty classical one hit wonder

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:54 (one year ago) link

EP is actually entirely tasteless in a way that also feels completely refreshing right now.

Matt DC, Saturday, 22 June 2019 17:36 (one year ago) link

yep

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 June 2019 17:38 (one year ago) link

The greatest thing about Lil Nas X was always that he clearly never overthinks his songs. This ep confirms that.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 22 June 2019 17:52 (one year ago) link

Only caught up with this a couple of days ago--I'm that disengaged. (Two kids danced to it at the school talent show.) As someone who found Big & Rich's cowboy song somewhat more horrifying than Sha Na Na, I'm surprised to say I like it. (Which doesn't mean I won't be sick of it soon.) As those two kids danced, pretty much the whole student body sang along, and then same thing yesterday when it got played a couple of times at our outdoor playday. I'm intrigued by their clear connection to the song...and kind of nice that not one of them has any awareness at all of all the back-and-forth such a song triggers.

clemenza, Saturday, 22 June 2019 17:56 (one year ago) link

I don't think I've heard the song yet! Maybe I'll ask my kids. I really hate trap.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:33 (one year ago) link

"rodeo" sounds like a big hit tbh. like he's not gonna serve even soulja boy-esque longevity in music obviously but he's using his remaining minutes quite well no?

that and "c7osure" are the highlights for me. like most of the rest of the ep that one sounds a bit tossed off but i love the tentative-sounding, imprecise piano loop.

rest of the ep is not bad but i wouldn't call it good either. "f9mily" sounds cute when laid over an rt'd video of the opening to a disney channel/nickelodeon show but as an aging millennial that's not really my preferred mode of #engagement w/ music yet.

i don't understand what the various digits mean. oh actually he has dogs named 7 and 9 but idk why he chose those

dyl, Saturday, 22 June 2019 19:11 (one year ago) link

EP is terrible, the sound of A&R & I don’t know how someone reads authorial intent of any kind into it

Will probably be fondly remembered just bc good will towards him is so high (see all the ppl giving the mediocre knockoff of the makonnen/peep song props or the posts itt) but ultimately just not good

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 23 June 2019 18:58 (one year ago) link

*sighs and adds LNX to his list of musicians who are better at social media than they are at music*

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:33 (one year ago) link

(see all the ppl giving the mediocre knockoff of the makonnen/peep song props or the posts itt)

lol fair

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:46 (one year ago) link

i wonder what it would have been like if the current media landscape was around when vanilla ice came out

it would be a combination of thinkpieces about his appropriations of black and gay culture and affiliate linked consumer guides to his hair products of choice

maura, Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:11 (one year ago) link

Vanilla Ice an amazing example of someone who never recorded even one worthwhile track after (the b-side of) his first single

(guest spots on Bloodhound Gang's Boom and Betty Blowtorch's Size Queen notwithstanding)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:15 (one year ago) link

deej otm, this is a too many cooks situation which is the opposite of old town road. but the people who cashed a good check meditating on the ~meaning~ of Billy Ray Cyrus on the remix will manage to find something to love

'cashed a good check'?

dyl, Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:21 (one year ago) link

That “mediating on the meaning of Billy Ray Cyrus on the remix” dollar is a good dollar

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 24 June 2019 02:17 (one year ago) link

To Lil Nas X’s benefit, it never mattered whether “Old Town Road” was good or bad. It’s so good it’s bad; it’s so bad it’s good. It’s a critical hall of mirrors from which there is no escape. Criticizing “Old Town Road” is like trying to fight the sun. From the start, the song was completely aware that it was essentially a meme. Everyone was in on the joke, and if you tried to criticize the joke, you were now the joke who was trying to ruin everyone’s fun. ... “Old Town Road” was a spectacle and everyone loved being a part of the ride.

haven’t heard the ep yet but i want to say that i disagree with this from the p4k review. Old town road is obviously a good song. not so bad it’s good or so good it’s bad; just good. i don’t know what it means for the song to be ‘aware it’s a meme’; it only became a meme because it is very good. i wasn’t ‘in on the joke’ and i don’t really think there is or was a ‘joke’

flopson, Monday, 24 June 2019 02:51 (one year ago) link

If I took you everywhere, then well, you wouldn't know how to walk
If I spoke on your behalf, then well, you wouldn't know how to talk

That's deep though!

... (Eazy), Monday, 24 June 2019 03:07 (one year ago) link

you've missed the "ahma take you from this party/we might go and have some sex" lyric, which i believe is original to ovid

lnx has put out, at the least, some three or four quite enjoyable songs on an ep pumped out at record speed following his near unprecedented ascendency to being one of the best known and most popular young artists in the world not three months ago and he's done it without feeling the need to dip (much) into the easily accessible troughs of misogyny, self-pity, or tough guy bullshit. my money would've been on 7 being an unredeemable pile instead of extending his fifteen minutes with a clear follow up single. as i say, not bad.

i don't consider it patronizing to either him or the more haughtily discerning among you to suggest that complaining this kid's work lacks artistry or authorship is to bitch that the bear isn't riding the bicycle well.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 June 2019 03:33 (one year ago) link

a clear and satisfying distinction between a 'meme' and a 'hit' in pop music has yet to come into focus for me. virtually all pop songs are aspiring memes.

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 04:12 (one year ago) link

I haven’t listened to the EP but it sucks that he and the label didn’t just go all in on “country trap” and throw him in a room with Nashville songwriters and big name beatmakers

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 June 2019 04:39 (one year ago) link

Like an album of “ft. Pistol Annies, prod. MikeWillMadeIt” would obviously have a shelflife of like 12 months, but what a great 12 months it would be

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 June 2019 04:41 (one year ago) link

Otm

flopson, Monday, 24 June 2019 04:52 (one year ago) link

totally

Ambient Police (sleeve), Monday, 24 June 2019 05:02 (one year ago) link

Def a missed opp

big city slam (Spottie), Monday, 24 June 2019 05:44 (one year ago) link

I don't particularly like "Old Town Road" so I didn't expect much from the EP and... it's meh imo.
I agree that it would have been more fun to go all the way with the country/hiphop trend and I was a bit surprised by the 90s rock style of some songs.
My main issue with him in general is that he seems bright and nice but he's a really mediocre singer/rapper and has no charisma whatsoever.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 24 June 2019 09:08 (one year ago) link

LNX with Maren Morris + Musgraves over an "In Bloom" simulation would've killed.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:01 (one year ago) link

Where's Bubba Sparxxx now that clearly we need him more than ever?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2019 11:54 (one year ago) link

haven’t heard the ep yet but i want to say that i disagree with this from the p4k review. Old town road is obviously a good song. not so bad it’s good or so good it’s bad; just good. i don’t know what it means for the song to be ‘aware it’s a meme’; it only became a meme because it is very good. i wasn’t ‘in on the joke’ and i don’t really think there is or was a ‘joke’

― flopson, Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

??? its clearly a parody of country music from a guy who played a lot of red dead redemption i think its obvi that theres a joke element to it

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:02 (one year ago) link

that paragraph to me is simply describing the intense alienation that comes from a song you dislike becoming absurdly popular; I felt an even stronger dislike of "Fuck You" by Cee Lo which was also one of those songs that felt pretty intensely "popular" in both the charts & critically (& on ILX) in a way that felt "critic proof" (ie it was a success and lots of ppl liked it & its effective therefor it is good)

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:03 (one year ago) link

i "lost" the argument abt this song (that it was in essence a parody rap) but I cant imagine ppl looking back on this the way we look back on like, crystal waters or "cmon ride the train." the last line of his review captures it for me ... "you had to be there"

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:05 (one year ago) link

it's hard to divine his intentions. flopson otm about it being a good song anyway

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:05 (one year ago) link

does that matter? xpost

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:05 (one year ago) link

the fact that it isn't serious doesn't disqualify OTR from being a good or even great song

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:08 (one year ago) link

no one is complaining that it isn't 'serious.' i compared it to 'cmon ride the train'

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:13 (one year ago) link

does that matter? xpost

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 24, 2019 11:05 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean... yes? what is this question

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:13 (one year ago) link

Unless I'm misreading you, why worry about posterity?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

I dunno, posterity is a relatively good metric for quality.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2019 16:17 (one year ago) link

yeah, when it's 2027, sure. But to speculate now on whether it will still get played/remembered like "Gypsy Woman" or "C'mon Ride the Train" is fruitless to me idk.

Also: some songs become such phenomena that liking or disliking them is irrelevant (e.g. "Macarena").

But I do understand the "intense alienation" of horrible songs becoming inescapable; we all do.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:22 (one year ago) link

I like "Rodeo" as a sequel to "Old Town Road," but I wish Cardi would cut the swears for what is essentially children's music

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:10 (one year ago) link

Old Town Road went over huge at the bat mitzvah i went to this weekend, the kids were into it more than any other song. one woman at our table was asking loudly "why is he saying, going to take my horse to the old hotel, what's this song about?"

omar little, Monday, 24 June 2019 17:18 (one year ago) link

ITS ABOUT EQUINE PROSTITUTION GRAMMA ITS AN OLD COUTRY SONG YOU REMEMBER IT?

hollow your fart (m bison), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

I mean as far as intention he is on record as saying he's trolling so ????

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 24 June 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link

a lot of ppl on this supposedly forward-thinking rockist-critical forum would probably legit be turning their noses up at "c'mon and ride it" today, including those who actually liked it as kids. like do some of you ever get tired of being surly every time something goes big that betrays the general public's ignorance about the types of music that you enjoy, + pointing at other major-label artists who 'should' actually be receiving the attention and such

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 20:43 (one year ago) link

so much country music is self-parodic to the extent that it is seldom even remarked upon. nearly all the tropes of the idiom going back decades are mostly-fictional constructions stemming from the western-film conception of the cowboy

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 20:46 (one year ago) link

omg, this exists!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gUKEGuS20

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 June 2019 20:48 (one year ago) link

it's the pomplamoose old town road/pony mash up america deserves!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 June 2019 20:48 (one year ago) link

PomplamooseMusic
Last night I had a dream that we were playing the Fillmore and half the room was singing “If you’re horny” and the other half was singing “I’m gonna take my horse,” and it was the greatest thing I’ve ever witnessed. Can we make this dream a reality? CAN WE????

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 June 2019 20:49 (one year ago) link

oh my god i thought you were joking but it's actually fucking pomplamoose. amazing that all these years later they still haven't fucked off even after making their patreon(?) money

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 21:28 (one year ago) link

Supposedly the only Patreon money Pomplamoose guy gets and keeps is from his own account and the band's.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 June 2019 21:42 (one year ago) link

a lot of ppl on this supposedly forward-thinking rockist-critical forum would probably legit be turning their noses up at "c'mon and ride it" today, including those who actually liked it as kids. like do some of you ever get tired of being surly every time something goes big that betrays the general public's ignorance about the types of music that you enjoy, + pointing at other major-label artists who 'should' actually be receiving the attention and such

― dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 20:43 (one hour ago) Permalink

you act like it was all "cmon ride the train" and not also rednex "cotton eyed joe"

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 22:06 (one year ago) link

also tbf my first exposure to this song was on tiktok & as ive said before if the song had first broken through those memes instead of billboard being dumb the popular response to this song would have been different imo

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 24 June 2019 22:07 (one year ago) link

yes this song is popular because kids are bristling at the racism of billboard

VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 June 2019 22:09 (one year ago) link

my students hurled their phones across the room when they heard about Billboard's perfidy

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2019 22:26 (one year ago) link

hahahahahahahaha

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 June 2019 22:28 (one year ago) link

the song *did* initially break thru those memes! it was #51, up from 86, on the hot 100 (and flying up the streaming charts -- it had virtually no airplay at this point) the week that billboard dropped it from the country chart. the billboard goof story, which went big after elias leight's rolling stone coverage not long after, did become a galvanizing point and part of its mythos, but the song was already broken wide open.

dyl, Monday, 24 June 2019 22:31 (one year ago) link

Had my kid play me this today. Not bad! She said it was a pretty fun song, but also good. Me, it reminded me of Everlast's "What It's Like," but that's fine, there are worse things.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2019 23:11 (one year ago) link

that's a low blow

VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:14 (one year ago) link

LOL, I figured I was not the first to make that comparison, but googling got next to nothing! Except this cat, who is actually pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wFt0uALc24

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2019 23:19 (one year ago) link

believe it or not, it is possible to like "old town road" while acknowledging that it is basically a meme

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 00:58 (one year ago) link

gonna come out of the closet as someone who actually enjoyed "what it's like". and "cotton-eye joe". i'm a lemming.

dyl, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 01:04 (one year ago) link

Pete Buttigieg is a noted fan of "What It's Like." I wonder what he thinks of "Old Town Road."

jaymc, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:06 (one year ago) link

Oh boy:

Guys, Tim Ryan’s walk-up music is Old Town Road pic.twitter.com/xfNGnOmTLg

— Andy Burnstein (@thatburnstein) June 11, 2019

jaymc, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:08 (one year ago) link

what little i know of pete buttigieg's music tastes seems so respectable-milquetoast-centrist so i take it back, i hate "what it's like"

dyl, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 04:34 (one year ago) link

yes this song is popular because kids are bristling at the racism of billboard

― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Monday, June 24, 2019 5:09 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my students hurled their phones across the room when they heard about Billboard's perfidy

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 24, 2019 5:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahahahahahahaha

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 24, 2019 5:28 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the song *did* initially break thru those memes! it was #51, up from 86, on the hot 100 (and flying up the streaming charts -- it had virtually no airplay at this point) the week that billboard dropped it from the country chart. the billboard goof story, which went big after elias leight's rolling stone coverage not long after, did become a galvanizing point and part of its mythos, but the song was already broken wide open.

― dyl, Monday, June 24, 2019 5:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These posts are dumb as fuck. It was in the hot 100 like literally 99 other songs at any given time but it was not a straight shot number one cross format smash that keeps legitimate stars off the number one for weeks at a time until it received blanket media coverage in the wake of a widespread report of curatorial injustice.

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:16 (one year ago) link

Like it wasn’t even top 40 off tiktok? There are probably 60 songs on the hot 100 right now a plurality if ilxors haven’t even heard

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:17 (one year ago) link

billy ray cyrus was more important than billboard

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:21 (one year ago) link

Billy Ray Cyrus doesn’t happen without billboard !!

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:38 (one year ago) link

Literally every media platform covered that story. It was like on local tv stations and shit

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:39 (one year ago) link

Billy Ray Cyrus doesn’t happen without billboard !!

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:38 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

sure but what you describe -- a song so big that it keeps artists like drake and taylor swift from no 1 -- is solely bcuz of the decision to put billy ray cyrus on the remix

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:44 (one year ago) link

billboard doesn't even appear to be charting the original at this point

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:49 (one year ago) link

legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 07:13 (one year ago) link

When it’s not a legitimate star the Billboard has a way of shutting that whole thing down

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 12:49 (one year ago) link

Like it wasn’t even top 40 off tiktok? There are probably 60 songs on the hot 100 right now a plurality if ilxors haven’t even heard

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:17 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly how popular is this song among the kids? let's see if generation X and some older millennials have ever heard of it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 14:18 (one year ago) link

my 4yo son has been singing it constantly. He went into school yesterday and sang it to his 30-ish teacher. She said she was singing that song at karaoke on Friday. This is total saturation, folks.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 14:43 (one year ago) link

Conclusion: the song is crazy popular, you don't have to like it, and it may not get play in 2032, especially if the polar ice shelves melt and wreak havoc on coastal cities.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 14:47 (one year ago) link

my eight year old just asked me "Have you heard of a song called 'Old Town Road' it's a very good song" they played it at their dance time during daycare

I feel like it will get play 20 years from now, like Baby Got Back or Push It

yeah I don't think it's going away

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 15:14 (one year ago) link

Reznor finally has a crossover for the pre-teens.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 15:41 (one year ago) link

Would love it if the NIN "Ghosts" album becomes this sort of Violent Femmes-esque entry/talisman for this generation.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

haven’t heard the ep yet but i want to say that i disagree with this from the p4k review. Old town road is obviously a good song. not so bad it’s good or so good it’s bad; just good. i don’t know what it means for the song to be ‘aware it’s a meme’; it only became a meme because it is very good. i wasn’t ‘in on the joke’ and i don’t really think there is or was a ‘joke’

― flopson, Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

??? its clearly a parody of country music from a guy who played a lot of red dead redemption i think its obvi that theres a joke element to it

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, June 24, 2019 12:02 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that paragraph to me is simply describing the intense alienation that comes from a song you dislike becoming absurdly popular; I felt an even stronger dislike of "Fuck You" by Cee Lo which was also one of those songs that felt pretty intensely "popular" in both the charts & critically (& on ILX) in a way that felt "critic proof" (ie it was a success and lots of ppl liked it & its effective therefor it is good)

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, June 24, 2019 12:03 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah my interpretation was that the author didn't like the song as music (wrong but fair) but instead of just coming out and saying that tried to over-intellectualize others' enjoyment to pretend that he understood its appeal

flopson, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:17 (one year ago) link

you refer to deej, right

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:25 (one year ago) link

I was meh on Old Town Road at first, now I love it, haven’t heard the EP but A. Pierre’s trashing of it was one of the most entertaining reviews I’ve read in a while. The only weak/lazy writing in the whole piece is the passage cited above.

thewufs, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:28 (one year ago) link

Old Town Road >>>>>>> Fuck You

flopson, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:31 (one year ago) link

Old Town Road="fuck you"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:46 (one year ago) link

exactly how popular is this song among the kids? let's see if generation X and some older millennials have ever heard of it

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:18 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my 4yo son has been singing it constantly. He went into school yesterday and sang it to his 30-ish teacher. She said she was singing that song at karaoke on Friday. This is total saturation, folks.

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:43 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Conclusion: the song is crazy popular, you don't have to like it, and it may not get play in 2032, especially if the polar ice shelves melt and wreak havoc on coastal cities.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:47 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you guys incapable of reading? we're talking about how popular it was BEFORE the billboard snafu

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:16 (one year ago) link

it was a random tiktok song like tons of others that chart & no one here talks about

The Billboard thing happens, which isn't what catapults it

the RESPONSE to the Billboard thing is what catapults it. It becomes a major news story so awareness of it completely saturates

"Bottoms Up (We Was A the Club)" was in like the same area as this at the time & now it's completely forgotten

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:17 (one year ago) link

Old Town Road >>>>>>> Fuck You

― flopson, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm though i've also been always allergic to Fuck You (and Crazy)

omar little, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:18 (one year ago) link

egitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars
legitimate stars

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:13 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When it’s not a legitimate star the Billboard has a way of shutting that whole thing down

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:49 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u can tell its a deej pile on when ppl start purposefully misreading things that are not hard to understand...obviously i like plenty of one hit wonders & dont think "legitimate star" is a real thing but there's also obviously a clear difference between IE Drake & Lil Nas X at the current moment in terms of their nature to stardom, stop being willfully stupid

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:19 (one year ago) link

Old Town Road >>>>>>> Fuck You

― flopson, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm though i've also been always allergic to Fuck You (and Crazy)

― omar little, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:18 PM (fifty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wonder if I meant "Crazy" instead of "Fuck You"? I think I did. "Crazy" was more acclaimed. "Fuck You" was probably slightly more divisive

But "Crazy" Definitely got the exact same "You lost, this song is popular and good and arguing about it means you're wrong" treatment at the time

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:20 (one year ago) link

Deej, I don't think anyone disputes that the Billboard fuckery literally occurred right before the song exploded, but I think everyone but you agrees that correlation is not causation

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:20 (one year ago) link

old town road is better than anything chief keef ever released

VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:21 (one year ago) link

laughing at these lames like yee haw haw haw

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:22 (one year ago) link

"Bottoms Up (We Was A the Club)" was in like the same area as this at the time & now it's completely forgotten

I will NEVER forget the BoyBoy Westcoast

J. Sam, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:22 (one year ago) link

Deej, I don't think anyone disputes that the Billboard fuckery literally occurred right before the song exploded, but I think everyone but you agrees that correlation is not causation

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:20 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

everyone does not agree with that!

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:23 (one year ago) link

both things can be true--the song very well may have faded away had Billboard not f'ed up AND many of the people who were exposed it to it and liked it after it's profile was raised don't know or care much about the Billboard thing

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:23 (one year ago) link

i never implied that everyone who likes it cares about the billboard thing ... just that something becoming insanely popular can absolutely come about from extra contextual shit like that ... the charts are not some organic reward system of song quality

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:25 (one year ago) link

Crazy and Fuck You are both really nothing tracks for me, the first one i find p annoying and the second one i've heard a lot and yet can barely remember a single thing about it.

omar little, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:26 (one year ago) link

awareness of the song exploded bc of the billboard thing, but i don't think its popular bc people somehow dont like the song or something

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:26 (one year ago) link

Damn, this is exactly why the Red Scare podcast is more popular than NPR's Fresh Air this week!

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

if you guys didnt have ppl here hating on this song you'd probably like the song less. i feel like this song almost needs an antagonist to feel this strongly about

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

Damn, this is exactly why the Red Scare podcast is more popular than NPR's Fresh Air this week!

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:29 PM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just bc one is better made than the other doesn't mean the fact that one is on a major platform with brand recognition doesn't also effect its level of popularity

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

More data: my just about 12-year old described the song exactly the same way as my older daughter - "it's good, it's funny" - but then added "it's a meme song." So I asked her, but is it a good song or good because of the memes? She admitted it's catchy, but what she liked most about it was that it was really simple and repetitive, so it was easy to learn dances to it. She knew about it from TikTok and that was about it, but her friend in the car was very well aware of the Billboard controversy.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:38 (one year ago) link

old town road is better than anything chief keef ever released

― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 3:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Better rapping.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:44 (one year ago) link

are you guys incapable of reading? we're talking about how popular it was BEFORE the billboard snafu

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Who cares, and why are you rude about it?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:50 (one year ago) link

the family seal iirc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:24 (one year ago) link

old town road is better than anything chief keef ever released
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 3:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Better rapping.

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark

more in the pocket certainly

VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:26 (one year ago) link

anybody who thinks the billboard snafu didn't contribute somewhat to the song's increasing popularity is kidding themselves, I mean y'all know how bad it pains me to say "deej otm" but the massive outpouring of press coverage from people excited to wax lyrical with their theories about "subverting country music" et al meant people who wouldn't have heard about the song otherwise did hear about & checked it out

those people loved it because it's a fuckin jam no doubt, and under-12 kids love the shit out of it automatically, so when this song got into the hands of moms & dads it was destined for total cultural saturation. but those moms and dads heard it because some mainstream outlets were writing about it

thank you for subscribing to my newsletter

if there's anything I know about working moms and dads, it's the incredibly common experience of hearing about something, remembering it for the duration of the work day, putting their kids to bed, finally getting some alone time with the internet around 10pm and then using that time to stream a viral rap song they heard about

lol this is exactly how I heard it the first time

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 22:38 (one year ago) link

Yeah you know nothing about working parents

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

anybody who thinks the billboard snafu didn't contribute somewhat to the song's increasing popularity is kidding themselves

this is the actual position that no one has argued itt!

I don't think anyone disputes that the Billboard fuckery literally occurred right before the song exploded

actually yes, i will cop to being the one who disputes that particular narrative. the song was already exploding before the billboard snafu, and no number of posts saying it's fucking stupid or moving the goalposts is going to change the plain facts pointing clearly to that conclusion!

"old town road" was already #3 on spotify (up from #11 the prior week) and #5 on youtube w/ its red dead redemption clip alone (up from #20), comfortably the top streaming gainer on the entire hot 100, at the time leight's article was published -- like, by that time it was already clear it was least going to be a "juju on that beat" or "watch me (whip/nae nae)". like... at the very least! it was not just chilling, stabilized outside the top 40 ('not even top 40 off tiktok' -- i laughed) until the story broke and the remix happened... there has been literally no point between its chart debut and its peak when it has not had significant momentum. it jumped from #15 to #1 on the hot 100 before the billy ray cyrus remix had even come out. i would add that the remix is what really took the story from the pages of scattered music sites and twitter #discourse to your local evening news and its own dedicated ilm thread (i was literally apologizing about being the only person posting about the song in this thread as the developments unfolded).

again, there's no denying that the billboard fiasco lit a whole new flame under the song. but the initial contention that the song broke because of and after that story's emergence, and had not already broken thru as a tiktok phenom, is blatantly false.

dyl, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:46 (one year ago) link

on another note, the moment i knew it had connected cross-generationally was when i saw a big crowd of drunk ppl screaming along to it at a bar

dyl, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:48 (one year ago) link

I knew it had connected when Whiney and deej popped up here.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:51 (one year ago) link

lol

Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:39 (one year ago) link

I hope it’s number one all summer!

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:40 (one year ago) link

If it’s Number One next week it becomes one of only *12* songs to log 13 weeks at Number One

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:43 (one year ago) link

literally every 6-year-old kid in my son's kindergarten class is obsessed with this song and the teachers are all sick of it. i love the idea that this happened even a tiny little bit because of something Billboard did.

alpine static, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 06:03 (one year ago) link

“She admitted it's catchy, but what she liked most about it was that it was really simple and repetitive, so it was easy to learn dances to it.“

15,000 years later mankind catches up with the voice of this child

Why does man start memes?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:01 (one year ago) link

Taken at our writing center:

https://i.imgur.com/F9RausL.jpg

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:19 (one year ago) link

officially into “who let the dogs out” territory now

Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:24 (one year ago) link

I like "Rodeo" as a sequel to "Old Town Road," but I wish Cardi would cut the swears for what is essentially children's music

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, June 24, 2019 5:10 PM (two days ago)

This is really true.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:31 (one year ago) link

dont think "legitimate star is a real thing "
Oh. Well, you sure showed me how I misunderstood things.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:43 (one year ago) link

massive outpouring of press coverage from people excited to wax lyrical with their theories about "subverting country music"
So internet think-pieces suddenly help songs blow up? That's a novel thought.

I think that the song appeared on Billboard charts because it started blowing up and a song blowing up is not contingent on a chart to catalog that rise. Songs that are blowing up sometimes do stall and die, but in other cases they continue to rise and while there are a lot of factors as to what that might happen, I have never thought that internet think-pieces about the validity of Billboard chart designations were the culprit.

But hey, there's a first time for everything. I just wish the internet was around when Fishbone got fucked over by Soundscan (which ironically showed the commercial validity of country music; link for young'uns who don't remember this.)

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:51 (one year ago) link

Oh my god you guys have fucking brain damage

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:12 (one year ago) link

“Kids I know like this song therefore it becoming page news across the country had no or negligible effect on its rise” = “if I like a song it becomes impossible for me to acknowledge that it didn’t attain its position on the charts through the purity of the people’s love”

This is pop Stan logic

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:14 (one year ago) link

*front page news

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:14 (one year ago) link

This was the point that I made which people initially took issue with, which is not the same as saying "no one would listen to this if billboard hadn't happened:

also tbf my first exposure to this song was on tiktok & as ive said before if the song had first broken through those memes instead of billboard being dumb the popular response to this song would have been different imo

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, June 24, 2019 5:07 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, it was charting, much like cotton eyed joe, whip/nae nae, and the macarena, none of which I remember being specific ILX cause celebres. .. how many of you have actually *seen* the memes that were on tiktok driving its popularity at this point?

the narrative attached to it via the Billboard snafu is absolutely part of the story of what's driven its success; that it gets blanket algorithmic press attention is 100% a result of the story of its rise being about Billboard & not teens drinking "yeehaw juice" on tiktok. the latter drove the numbers but the former is what drove it to where it stands today, to a cultural behemoth that ilxors argue someone disliking is somehow being disingenuous

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:19 (one year ago) link

So internet think-pieces suddenly help songs blow up? That's a novel thought.

"internet thinkpieces" do you think regular people somehow stopped consuming news in 2011?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:20 (one year ago) link

Oh. Well, you sure showed me how I misunderstood things.

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:43 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i showed how you're incapable of reading me in good faith when you disagree w me sure

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

literally every 6-year-old kid in my son's kindergarten class is obsessed with this song and the teachers are all sick of it. i love the idea that this happened even a tiny little bit because of something Billboard did.

― alpine static, Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:03 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love that you're arguing with a strawman

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

"old town road" was already #3 on spotify (up from #11 the prior week) and #5 on youtube w/ its red dead redemption clip alone (up from #20), comfortably the top streaming gainer on the entire hot 100, at the time leight's article was published -- like, by that time it was already clear it was least going to be a "juju on that beat" or "watch me (whip/nae nae)". like... at the very least! it was not just chilling, stabilized outside the top 40 ('not even top 40 off tiktok' -- i laughed) until the story broke and the remix happened... there has been literally no point between its chart debut and its peak when it has not had significant momentum. it jumped from #15 to #1 on the hot 100 before the billy ray cyrus remix had even come out. i would add that the remix is what really took the story from the pages of scattered music sites and twitter #discourse to your local evening news and its own dedicated ilm thread (i was literally apologizing about being the only person posting about the song in this thread as the developments unfolded).

again, there's no denying that the billboard fiasco lit a whole new flame under the song. but the initial contention that the song broke because of and after that story's emergence, and had not already broken thru as a tiktok phenom, is blatantly false.

― dyl, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:46 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how many people on ILX can honestly tell me they've heard Sech's Otro Trago, the current #7 song on the Spotify charts? Are the kids dancing to that one in kindergartens too? Do you know? Are you posting anecdotally about it in your music critic facebook threads? What about DDG's "Hold Up," currently in the YouTube top ten? Do you think this will be the next song to dominate the Hot 100 for 13 weeks?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:27 (one year ago) link

Do you guys know who DDG is? Have you heard the name before?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:28 (one year ago) link

sorry i have to go to the dentist today so im being extra testy & had some free time

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:31 (one year ago) link

at any rate its fine that people like this song, i dont think there's anything wrong for the pitchfork piece to argue that ppl are alienated by its popularity which seems to make liking it or disliking it beside the point (I don't even dislike it to the extent ppl probably think, as usual im more annoyed by how ppl respond to it than the the song itself), if anything i feel like ive been cornered into "hating" the song bc I skeptical of the story we're telling ourselves abt it

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:34 (one year ago) link

lmao you don't say

p sure alpine wasn't arguing with anyone

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:35 (one year ago) link

it seemed like he's saying, "i love the idea" as a reference to an idea that was being articulated on this thread but maybe he was just loving an idea from thin air

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:37 (one year ago) link

happy bday brad

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:37 (one year ago) link

hey i could be wrong, that post can be read in a lot of ways. and thank you deej!

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:39 (one year ago) link

I wasn't really trying to argue, but it's also entirely possible I sounded like I was arguing against a strawman. If so, sorry. Regardless, I can't go back and read carefully (sorry) to get totally oriented in this discussion.

But I will say that I don't really buy that the Billboard thing contributed in any truly meaningful way to this song's ubiquity. If it did, it's a *tiny* percentage of how big the song is now. The song was well on its way, imo.

Was the Billboard thing really front page news across the country? I mean, it generated an ILM thread and it was on my Twitter feed, but I honestly believe that of the, say, 500 ppl I know IRL who know/love this song, I would guess that 1 or 2 of them (at most) know about the Billboard controversy.

alpine static, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:05 (one year ago) link

I don't know why I even jumped in, really. I just know that the song has taken over my kid's school in such a way that when that video came out a few weeks ago of LNX doing the song for a gym full of kids, my true first reax was "Most people don't realize how lit elementary schools are these days."

The teachers, helpers, after-school attendants, etc., all play pop music all the time. My kids know all this shit way before me, and they're both under 10.

alpine static, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:07 (one year ago) link

i was first acquainted with this song from an ~8 year old in the park doing wheelies on his bike going, "you can't tell me nothing". Little young for Kanye, I thought to myself

maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:12 (one year ago) link

Again, my 12-year-old daughter's 12-year-old friend knew about the Billboard controversy. In enough depth and with enough sophistication to recognize that the reason he was probably kicked off the country charts was because he was black.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:14 (one year ago) link

elementary is lit
junior high is woke

maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:16 (one year ago) link

xpost that's awesome. good for her. i could be way off, idk

alpine static, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

i don't think anyone has mentioned that the tiktok memes around this song were HILARIOUS and basically the same as for harlem shuffle except that instead of everybody suddenly wilding out on the drop it was kids suddenly attired in cowboy gear for the verse, in a delicious reflection of the song's dual identity as urban and rural. it really was amazing and endlessly repeatable. and also feels a million years ago now. but the song itself, bridgeless, under 3 minutes ("a great pop song should be 2:50!!" - p townshend), is somehow sturdy enough to sustain it, to hold up to all those replays. it's impressive. of course a bit of coverage by the intelligentsia helps, all coverage helps.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

I think people are conflating ubiquity among adults and ubiquity among kids, and it is resulting in a lot of talking past one another

in other words, if you want to know whether any given viral/tiktok/streaming sensation has traction among the kids, then ask a kid whether he's heard of them and not a 30-year-old

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:28 (one year ago) link

also maybe a bit of confusing adult-mediated spaces (the people deciding which songs are OK to play in elementary school are... not kids, nobody is a goofy movie-ing the kindergarten assembly) with ones that aren't

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:33 (one year ago) link

how many people on ILX can honestly tell me they've heard Sech's Otro Trago, the current #7 song on the Spotify charts?

that's #7 on the global charts. currently number 7 on the us spotify chart is...old town road remix by lil nas x ft. billy ray cyrus

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:34 (one year ago) link

can't nobody tell an ilxor nothing

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:34 (one year ago) link

how many of you have actually *seen* the memes that were on tiktok driving its popularity at this point?

I was there . . . on TikTok . . . when the memes were pushing “Old Town Road” to #1. I waaaaaas there . . .

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:52 (one year ago) link

a relatively minor example of this is if you play that one yoshi's island level song for equally online 30-year-olds and 13-year-olds and ask them what they think of first, playing yoshi's island or watching the meme that goes with it now

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

My kids have been listening to "9 to 5" a lot lately, I assume that is a Tik Tok meme as well.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:13 (one year ago) link

Man, I loved “9 to 5” when I was in fifth grade (really). Fixated on the image/non-image of “pour myself a cup of ambition.”

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships taking the yeehaw challenge off the shoulder of Orion...

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:22 (one year ago) link

In enough depth and with enough sophistication to recognize that the reason he was probably kicked off the country charts was because he was black.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:14 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark

there are black artists on the country charts.....

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link

12 year olds... not that sophisticated

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link

Its really funny because if Lil Nas was really because of Billboard outcry, that means this guy's other Twitter thread is responsible for the biggest song in America

https://www.thedailybeast.com/viral-twitter-hoax-creator-shane-morris-starts-gofundme-to-hide-from-ms-13

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:40 (one year ago) link

For a bunch of ostensibly smart ppl who read writing you guys have a very strangely dismissive attitude towards the power NARRATIVES have to propel a story. It’s not just that the song got blanket coverage (yes it really did) but that it did so w a narrative that resonated w a vast number of people (including, yes, children)

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:55 (one year ago) link

i don't think anyone has mentioned that the tiktok memes around this song were HILARIOUS and basically the same as for harlem shuffle except that instead of everybody suddenly wilding out on the drop it was kids suddenly attired in cowboy gear for the verse, in a delicious reflection of the song's dual identity as urban and rural. it really was amazing and endlessly repeatable. and also feels a million years ago now. but the song itself, bridgeless, under 3 minutes ("a great pop song should be 2:50!!" - p townshend), is somehow sturdy enough to sustain it, to hold up to all those replays. it's impressive. of course a bit of coverage by the intelligentsia helps, all coverage helps.

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:25 (two hours ago) Permalink

There’s been a lot of preposterous shit written in this thread but nothing quite so ridiculous as a contention that the old town road yee haw juice memes were not insanely lame and uncool

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:56 (one year ago) link

hahahahahahaha

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:57 (one year ago) link

There’s been a lot of preposterous shit written in this thread but nothing quite so ridiculous as an expectation that most of a bunch of adults are fully aware of what old town road yee haw juice memes were let alone whether they were cool or insanely lame and uncool

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:59 (one year ago) link

Lol I questioned that adults knew those memes up thread & got clowned for that you guys need to get on the same page

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:02 (one year ago) link

What is more powerful than a story? I give you your new king Old Town Road the Broken first of his name

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:03 (one year ago) link

is this a good time to say we should probably admit that deej was right about Chief Keef super influential on the direction rap was headed?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:35 (one year ago) link

Guys, he dropped Panini. Why are you still arguing about how Old Town Road went viral?

J. Sam, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:39 (one year ago) link

Played "Panini" at dinner tonight (appropriately enough). My kids and wife hadn't heard it yet, or even heard of it, and immediately put on Old Town Road instead. I asked my 12-year old if she thought Old Town Road was more of a good song or more of a Who Let the Dogs Out type song, and she immediately lit up and said "oh, Who Let the Dogs Out, for sure!" And my wife added that the song has been a thing at work for a month. I just only time will tell if it has the staying power of Who Let the Dogs Out. The more immediate question is how long until it shows up in the trailer for an animated kids movie.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:07 (one year ago) link

It's in the trailer for the new Rambo movie, it's well on the way.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:17 (one year ago) link

very very few songs get to 12 weeks at number one--it's gonna stick around, and it's gonna make a comeback when those elementary school students grow capable of nostalgia.

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:19 (one year ago) link

i'd say it's less a 'who let the dogs out' and more an 'all star'

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:22 (one year ago) link

opening on miley's 2043 comeback tour

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:25 (one year ago) link

Get reading for Homecoming 2020!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14xb3cJ6rw

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:51 (one year ago) link

Every generation gets the Wanted: Dead or Alive it deserves

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 June 2019 00:09 (one year ago) link

It’s not just that the song got blanket coverage (yes it really did) but that it did so w a narrative that resonated w a vast number of people (including, yes, children)

I'm skeptical about the first part of this, but understand that it depends on how you define "blanket" and the media you consume. Obviously, it was covered by a lot of big outlets.

But I just don't believe the second part of this is true. I live in a very regular-ass, medium-sized American town, and I think if you walked around and asked 10,000 people here if (a) they know the song, and (b) they know the Billboard narrative, most would answer yes to (a) and 95+% would answer no to (b).

alpine static, Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:09 (one year ago) link

I’m loath to defend the viewpoint of someone who can’t see value in Yee Haw Juice memes, but I think it’s entirely possible to believe that the Billboard Thinkpiece Debate aspect of “Old Town Road” is a minor plank in its current massive platform while also acknowledging that it played a sizable role in reaching the more bottlenecked audience who picked it up while it was still breaking beyond the initial Tiktok crowd (who were largely the ones to get it on the charts in the first place).
I mean it’s clear from the title of this thread that that was where ILX, at least, got onboard, and I too recall my local news (who by no means default to being plugged-in on The Hot News Trends In Music) first covering it when the controversy broke. As someone who admires LNX as much for his Extremely Online algorithm-mancer talents as his canny ear for a hook I don’t see any shame in the fact that he successfully leveraged that narrative to kick his career into third gear.

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:40 (one year ago) link

Anyway “C7osure” is a really sweet song and I look forward to the Lil Nas X hype train having at least enough momentum to get us to a full-length album, which will hopefully also be good

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:41 (one year ago) link

To be clear I don’t see any shame in it either ... I’m kind of fascinated by his canniness tbh, he’s also pretty much the only artist who seems comfortable / fluent in Online.

Still no matter how talented someone is there’s always elements of chance in success like this & I just think the billboard narrative made for something to root for whereas the tiktok narrative — had that been the one a label ran with to help “break” him with a crossover audience — be much more divisive and less effective

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2019 02:06 (one year ago) link

how many people on ILX can honestly tell me they've heard Sech's Otro Trago, the current #7 song on the Spotify charts? Are the kids dancing to that one in kindergartens too? Do you know? Are you posting anecdotally about it in your music critic facebook threads? What about DDG's "Hold Up," currently in the YouTube top ten? Do you think this will be the next song to dominate the Hot 100 for 13 weeks?

"otro traco": #74 spotify us (weekly, up 14) (#70 daily); #30 youtube us (weekly, up 1)
"hold up": n/a spotify us (weekly or daily); #60 youtube us (weekly, debut) currently trending sharply downward since music video premiere one week ago (song features popular youtuber queen naija)

so no it's evident neither of these songs are even close to being on that level, lol (altho i expect "otro traco" could end up bouncing around the lower tiers of the hot 100 if its gains continue; ddg song will spend one week on the hot 100 at most if even that).

i'm well aware that songs routinely perform well on one service or another for a brief period of time, meaning exactly nothing in the long run. everything i've said in defense of my position has been not only about how well "old town road" was ranking, but also the sheer amount of upward momentum it was exhibiting at essentially every point of its (at that point) weeks-long ascent, especially for an artist who was basically unknown before this song. the only song currently in a comparable situation (new artist's breakout, strong upward momentum as exhibited on *multiple* streaming platforms) is lil tecca's "ransom", which, whaddya know, is currently bounding up the hot 100 with strong gains every week and will probably go top 20 if not top 10 (similar to what polo g's song just recently did). i guess you'd say the jury's still out on whether that song's going to be a hit, that it's too soon to say that it's broken out? (oh but adults don't know it yet! goalposts.) "old town road" was doing even better, by some distance, than that at the time the billboard snafu story was posted; it was obviously headed straight for the top 10 at least -- again, with at-the-time virtually no airplay, no billboard ballyhoo, and no exposure beyond its performance on the streaming services that was catalyzed by the tiktok thing.

like, by this point it's fairly clear that no amount of data points is going to budge you from your position, which is fine. but there's no really no need to try to suggest that the facts i acknowledge in support my (correct) position are misread or not placed in their proper context, especially when your own rebuttal pulls numbers from, as pointed out above, the wrong damn chart. at least you are now being direct about your frustration re: ppl being dumb/wrong online about something popular -- like, i too groaned at that one twitter opportunist's brazenly inaccurate but very viral thread about the country charts.

thank u for coming to my tiktok ted talk! it is actually really dumb that i have even bothered spilling this much e-ink over this shite but i did want to raise my hand as an objector after whiney said no one was arguing that the song didn't break (shortly) after the billboard thing. because it didn't.

dyl, Thursday, 27 June 2019 03:20 (one year ago) link

the fuck is tiktok

Vape Store (crüt), Thursday, 27 June 2019 03:29 (one year ago) link

fun / interesting discussion, btw.

i'm pretty sure i like "Panini" more than "Old Town Road" but it's really hard to measure that because the latter is like wallpaper in my house at this point

alpine static, Thursday, 27 June 2019 03:40 (one year ago) link

xp tiktok is the musical.ly app, if you've ever seen that, rebranded/relaunched. its current niche is somewhere between the former musical.ly and vine apps -- short/amusing clips of teens dancing/lp syncing to songs, often looped

dyl, Thursday, 27 June 2019 04:01 (one year ago) link

I’m not clear on how pointing out that it was more successful than the songs i pulled arbitrarily from those charts is relevant if we’re talking about the narrative that took hold as the song broke. My point of contention was that if that narrative had been about the tik tok memes instead of a narrative about billboard, it would be a much more divisive hit, of which there are many (no one is having these impassioned discussions about the massive success of polo g); certainly you could argue it’s much less likely the remix (which unquestionably enhanced its rise) would have been turned around as quickly; it was a major PR slam dunk. And I still maintain that if the broader perception had been that this hit was a result of annoying tiktok memes rather than country music crossover history, the mainstream awareness of this unquestionable hit song would have been interpreted entirely differently. No this does not mean that I’m saying it wouldn’t have been a hit, or even that it would have gone number one. I specially said it would have been received much differently! The massive Sueco song is a good example of this, if you’re looking for a better example of tiktok driven fame.

If you’re asking if I think the song would have been as big without the billboard meme I would say definitely not; but I never argued it wasn’t really a hit or it wasn’t doing well off tik tok streams, I’m talking about how it is received by today show hosts and elementary music school classes, which aren’t performing polo g’s “pop out”

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2019 04:29 (one year ago) link

Like this is a song fucking ken burns is weighing in on in pitchfork interviews, he has literally never been asked about a rap song before unless there’s something from the end of the jazz doc I’ve forgotten. That level of crossover success didn’t come solely bc there was a viral novelty song on tik tok, it came bc the big narrative about it involved country industry gatekeepers trying to draw lines around genre in a way that suggest racism

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2019 04:35 (one year ago) link

honestly...Ken Burns being asked about Old Town Road, that's some shit right there

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 June 2019 05:28 (one year ago) link

okay that all makes sense to me and i would agree there. looking back upthread i definitely misinterpreted what you meant when you wrote "the popular response to this song would have been different imo" -- i thought you were actually arguing that the song was not on the course to being a big hit, lol, especially when subsequent responses continued to reference the charts and numbers and such. thank you for clarifying and sorry if i was a dick.

dyl, Thursday, 27 June 2019 05:38 (one year ago) link

Tried to find Griel’s take (haven’t seen one) but Xgau weighs in on his website’s blog:

Q: Do you like "Old Town Road"? -- Alexander Robertson, Wilton, Connecticut

A: I like "Old Town Road" in the Billy Ray Cyrus remix. But I don't love it. As a song I think it tops Childish Gambino's "This Is America" but not Cardi B's "Bodak Yellow," two previous must-hear this-is-a-phenomenon singles I got on late because I'm so album-oriented in this phase of my life, but found none of the three as culturally or aesthetically compelling as I was supposed to. This may be because I'm 77 and may be because most current "memes," if that's what these are, are less intrinsically compelling than must-hears should be. More than, let us say, "Beat It" or "Hound Dog" (but maybe not the overrated "Heartbreak Hotel"), they are pure functions of an information system less universal than such information systems are credited with being. This is why so many "memes" would once just have been called "hypes." On the other hand, taking "Old Town Road" off the country chart strikes me as racist pure and simple, because country radio remains racist regardless of the Darius Ruckers and Kane Browns it makes room for. And of course, it's also sexist in an era when so many of the edgiest country singers are women: Miranda Lambert, Angaleena Presley, Becky Warren, Margo Price, Ashley Monroe, Mary Gauthier, even Kacey Musgraves, can I mention Lori McKenna, and I know I'm forgetting people.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 27 June 2019 05:45 (one year ago) link

Not gonna dunk on that take overall but find it amusing that he takes a different Elvis song down a peg seemingly out of (rightful) nervousness about the optics of his saying “but it’s no [Elvis song]” in the first place

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:14 (one year ago) link

There’s been a lot of preposterous shit written in this thread but nothing quite so ridiculous as a contention that the old town road yee haw juice memes were not insanely lame and uncool

the uncoolness was part of the point iirc. 'cool' is not cool anymore, granddad!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 June 2019 11:11 (one year ago) link

I love watching people wrestle with whether they should like this semi-novelty song and what it means about them

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 27 June 2019 13:03 (one year ago) link

the struggle is real

When your favorite song comes on...wait for it!🤠 @LilNasX pic.twitter.com/Zdxd8QgdSt

— Aussies Doing Things (@aussiesdointhgs) June 28, 2019

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:00 (one year ago) link

No matter how you feel about the song, dog ... otm?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link

This was our clap-out song on the last day of school. If you hate it, hearing it in the context of 250 kids aged 5-14 singing along...might make you hate it even more. Or not.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:40 (one year ago) link

apparently there is a version of "old town road" with lil nas x edited out

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 30 June 2019 01:57 (one year ago) link

Is it called “34 Ghosts IV”

You can’t see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Sunday, 30 June 2019 02:40 (one year ago) link

Rodeo and panini are in the top ten 🙄

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 June 2019 15:16 (one year ago) link

idk man, I recently Shazamed Post Malone’s “Sunflower,” Dan & Shay’s “Tequila,” A Boogie Wit The Hoodie’s brap bap da doodap MJ song and the DJ Khaled song with SZA and ... I’m fine with ending contemporary popism and electing a novelty song creator our new mayor

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 June 2019 15:33 (one year ago) link

The difference between panini and sunflower is barely perceptible

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 June 2019 16:04 (one year ago) link

sunflower is a lot better than panini

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Sunday, 30 June 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

correct

J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 June 2019 16:51 (one year ago) link

Hey panini don’t you be meany is a lyric that understands its true audience

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:11 (one year ago) link

People who are intimidated by sandwiches?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:52 (one year ago) link

It’s a good concept in the sense that distinctive words make for good concepts ... ws always a fan of basswood lane’s MySpace era rap jam “ciabatta bread”

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 June 2019 17:53 (one year ago) link

People who are intimidated by sandwiches?


clearly you’ve never had food poisoning from a bad sammie. lucky

maura, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:28 (one year ago) link

It’s about some anime character, not a sandwich. but that doesn’t mean it won’t make me hungry

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Sunday, 30 June 2019 19:06 (one year ago) link

I don't buy sandwiches, I make my own #Publix

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:14 (one year ago) link

Lol anime ... of course

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:59 (one year ago) link

he has just come out on his twitter page

dyl, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:31 (one year ago) link

many figured he was not hetero given his past running a stan twitter/tweetdecker account but still cool

dyl, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:32 (one year ago) link

Yeah good for him

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 30 June 2019 22:40 (one year ago) link

By true audience I meant 4 year olds but please continue to be perplexed by his success

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 30 June 2019 22:55 (one year ago) link

his label was trying to cover up his past as a nicki minaj stan account because it obviously signaled that he's gay, i'm glad that for his sake that the farce can end

J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:38 (one year ago) link

Seven years ago first week of July, Frank Ocean went public with his yearnings ftr

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:53 (one year ago) link

I still don't know who this is, but good for him!

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, 1 July 2019 04:32 (one year ago) link

wow, christgau truly is the dean wormer of music criticism

Quilter Ray (rushomancy), Monday, 1 July 2019 13:58 (one year ago) link

It’s about some anime character, not a sandwich. but that doesn’t mean it won’t make me hungry

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ahh not anime its a character from the cartoon "Chowder" (?) which lasted from 2007-2010 and there's a character in it named Panini

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:03 (one year ago) link

Mason Ramsey ethers Thugger on this

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 05:41 (one year ago) link

Kinda reminds me ZTT Records in the 80’s releasing multiple versions of a single with different mixes over the course of several months to goose its chart longevity
Not complaining, ofc, we got some good remixes - and chart placements - out of that practice

You can’t see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Friday, 12 July 2019 06:13 (one year ago) link

i honestly thought the bieber remix of “bad guy” would vault it to no. 1 but now....

maura, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:23 (one year ago) link

billie’s remix is more akin to early 10s trends in chart goosing — missy on katy perry’s “last friday night,” kesha and nicki on “til the world ends” etc

maura, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:25 (one year ago) link

that, plus someone probably figured "it worked for despacito"

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:35 (one year ago) link

young thug's voice sounds so good on this lol

dyl, Saturday, 13 July 2019 02:12 (eleven months ago) link

to add to ppl's case studies about what normies irl think abt this song: apparently one of my cow*rkers (in her 50s) thought that it was a billy ray cyrus song that simply featured 'a rap guy'. when the original version played on the radio and ended w/o cyrus's vocals she thought the station must have decided to edit him out/fade the song out early

dyl, Saturday, 13 July 2019 02:18 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/arts/music/blanco-brown-the-git-up-old-town-road.html

The country-rap song they did let on the country charts is dreadful.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 13 July 2019 06:55 (eleven months ago) link

I like it!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 11:47 (eleven months ago) link

“The Git Up,” he’s said in interviews, is part of a sound he calls “trailertrap” — “country music with 808s, hi-hat snares, kick drums and beatboxing.”

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 13 July 2019 12:20 (eleven months ago) link

i'm sure elementary school gym classes have been needing new material for a while

i assume it will be on top of billboard's country chart for ages, regardless of how much (little) country airplay it ends up scoring

dyl, Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:03 (eleven months ago) link

i find it odd that the 'country-trap' label is being used for that tune tho, and apparently accepted/repeated. if that song is 'country-trap', then so is "body like a back road"

dyl, Saturday, 13 July 2019 17:05 (eleven months ago) link

and "meant to be" etc etc

dyl, Saturday, 13 July 2019 17:05 (eleven months ago) link

lil nas x is a commie, hope you're all pleased, I know I am

it’s ok to steal from rich people

— nope (@LilNasX) January 18, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:27 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks away from the longest lived number one in chart history
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8520176/lil-nas-x-old-town-road-history-five-burning-questions

and likely to make it there in the homestretch on the back of area 51 memedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA7xDP9sQzk

i got y’all for free!
let’s do this shit! https://t.co/l09PRGGMQj pic.twitter.com/LEMR4CSesg

— nope (@LilNasX) July 14, 2019

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:25 (eleven months ago) link

mason ramsey and lil nas x proving the existence of extraterrestrial life would maybe justify our life inside the simulation

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:28 (eleven months ago) link

Big look for Anthony fantano

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 22:06 (eleven months ago) link

The next level approaches.

y’all think i can get dolly parton and megan thee stallion on a old town road remix?

— nope (@LilNasX) July 15, 2019

🐴🦄 @LilNasX https://t.co/jD8WgNNNPI pic.twitter.com/WQWwW7sbi2

— Dolly Parton (@DollyParton) July 17, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:41 (eleven months ago) link

i'm all for him keeping this at number one through the end of the year if only for the novelty

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:59 (eleven months ago) link

can't wait for Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Drake's appearances

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:01 (eleven months ago) link

maybe just start going through the alphabet
feat. björk, blueface and asha bhosle

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:07 (eleven months ago) link

Burna Boy for Billy Ray, Busiswa for Dolly P = African remix

breastcrawl, Thursday, 18 July 2019 05:00 (eleven months ago) link

Been waiting for Dolly and Willie to do it.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:28 (eleven months ago) link

speaking of the alphabet you know zz top's version would rule

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:08 (eleven months ago) link

I like to think that was the product of you making 26 alliterative lists of feature artists

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 18 July 2019 09:06 (eleven months ago) link

Been waiting for Dolly and Willie to do it.

lads

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:42 (eleven months ago) link

zz top and bun b

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:27 (eleven months ago) link

peep and xxx

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:31 (eleven months ago) link

Feat. Y2K, YG, E-40, EMF, AOC and AC/DC (PDQ Bach "Alphabet Soup" Remix) - sponsored by KFC

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:41 (eleven months ago) link

LFO remix:
"Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty
Itchy and Scratchy had a dog named Poochie"

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:51 (eleven months ago) link

zz top and bun b


ZZ Top actually did a “cover” of Houston rap classic “25 lighters” but you probably already know this

brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:22 (eleven months ago) link

didn’t mean for that to sound catty!

brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:23 (eleven months ago) link

LFO remix:

idgi (and also a little late to get them/him, at least there’s a few broken husks of men being propped up in a studio to make a final AC/DC album over another husk’s tapes)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:01 (eleven months ago) link

now that you mention it, i bet axl would totally be down for this

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:07 (eleven months ago) link


ZZ Top actually did a “cover” of Houston rap classic “25 lighters” but you probably already know this
― brimstead, Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:22 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

didn’t mean for that to sound catty!

― brimstead, Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:23 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

didn't sound catty! but i did know that....i saw an article once that billy gibbon's studio was popular with a lot of houston rappers

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:08 (eleven months ago) link

xpost well-adjusted, semi-woke axl rose is one of the weirdest developments in music of the last decade

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:08 (eleven months ago) link

idgi (and also a little late to get them/him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHuGG_FsC20

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:11 (eleven months ago) link

No.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:44 (eleven months ago) link

what are you guys doing to this thread

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:48 (eleven months ago) link

riding it till we can't no mo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:08 (eleven months ago) link

You'd have to like the song to really like these words; I do, and I do.

As the late great Hunter S. Thompson would say, it’s a savage journey to the heart of the American dream. It defines the yeehaw state of mind. At a moment of nationwide apocalypse, it’s a love letter to everything that used to be cool about this once-proud land, the final stand of the last great American jukebox hero.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/old-town-road-lil-nas-x-yeehaw-manifesto-859566/

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:10 (eleven months ago) link

Wait, so who is this Blanco Brown cat? My kids were just dancing to it. I guess country-rap is a thing (again)?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:58 (eleven months ago) link

yep, kinda.

In other news, I saw on Instagram that Blondie did "Old Town Road" live at Forest Hills last night

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 July 2019 13:30 (eleven months ago) link

weird

Vape Store (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2019 13:41 (eleven months ago) link

new remix with bts

maura, Thursday, 25 July 2019 14:08 (eleven months ago) link

saw that last night, came right after rapture. wasn't a very good version, but was fun to see all the olds try to figure out what song it was.

lion king 2: the gift and the curse (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 July 2019 14:44 (eleven months ago) link

i saw blondie do "old town road" at bethel woods upstate on saturday! it is my daughter's favorite song and she was fucking thrilled. they also did "groove is in the heart" and "love to love you"

adam, Thursday, 25 July 2019 14:55 (eleven months ago) link

the sub-two minute "Seoul Town Road" BTS remix feels like it should carry this for two more weeks at #1 and then (maybe?) he can lean into rodeo/panini with a video or something? both those tracks are slipping and i dunno if he missed his window to transition into the next hit or not.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 25 July 2019 16:19 (eleven months ago) link

also: we called the alphabet soup stuff a week ago!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 25 July 2019 16:20 (eleven months ago) link

Can't help seeing that as Bind Torture Strangle

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 July 2019 16:48 (eleven months ago) link

they also did "groove is in the heart" and "love to love you"

How was Harry's falsetto?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 July 2019 17:11 (eleven months ago) link

I hope they did "Old Town Road" in falsetto.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 July 2019 17:20 (eleven months ago) link

she sounded great for 74!

there's a version of the video without the "plot" that comes in at a cool 2:37, enough for a toddler to get her OTR fix and move on.

adam, Thursday, 25 July 2019 17:41 (eleven months ago) link

Is this going to be number one for eternity now. Will it still be number one in 2055 or during Futurama years?

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 25 July 2019 19:54 (eleven months ago) link

the year is 2050, stuart little is president, the 10 year world war led by shrek & thanos has ended. old town road has reached its 1,615th week at number one and brother nature has stopped global warming. the world is at peace.

— nope (@LilNasX) May 28, 2019

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 July 2019 20:08 (eleven months ago) link

BTS is the first one with diminishing returns for me

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 July 2019 22:02 (eleven months ago) link

I think of it like a marriage between royal families where the primary function (beyond aforementioned ZTT-esque chart goosing) is making it clear to concerned parties on stan twitter that this alliance has been forged, and on that level I think it's pretty unimpeachable.

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Thursday, 25 July 2019 22:41 (eleven months ago) link

And it's hit 17 weeks. Chris Molanphy on it all:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/07/lil-nas-x-old-town-road-billboard-chart-record-longest-number-1.html

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 July 2019 21:33 (eleven months ago) link

Lil Wayne REMIX Old Town Road @LilTunechi #Lollapalooza pic.twitter.com/DkCmNy67bj

— TheNew1043JAMS (@1043JAMS) August 4, 2019

... (Eazy), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:29 (eleven months ago) link

weezy's no mason ramsey

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 4 August 2019 04:21 (eleven months ago) link

Waiting for the Neil Diamond remix

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 August 2019 01:36 (eleven months ago) link

idg this song or its durability

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:42 (eleven months ago) link

My godson was singing it this weekend; he didn't sing "Despacito."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:45 (eleven months ago) link

no one should sing "Despacito"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:46 (eleven months ago) link

this song's gonna be dead as the floss in about a week

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:50 (eleven months ago) link

It will outlive us all.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:14 (eleven months ago) link

This song will be played in weddings decades from now.

octobeard, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:30 (eleven months ago) link

yep

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:38 (eleven months ago) link

i wouldn't be mad if so (i sure do hope society will still exist decades from now!) but it's possible it won't be. predictions about the encroaching ubiquity of "i gotta feeling" for instance seemed completely reasonable at the time but didn't quite come true? idk maybe you would disagree w/ that assessment

that said, i feel like mainstream pop music is finally starting to push through its growing pains from the past few years to usher in something of a sea change for how it'll largely sound going forward, and i find it hard to believe that this song won't be seen as foundational & catalytic on some level

not to say it's especially novel or that its sonic elements haven't been scattered elsewhere thruout the pop landscape for the past decade+, but the way its seemingly irreverent combination of elements so strongly associated w/ (recently) very narrowly targeted lanes in broadcast media was embraced so wholeheartedly and so broadly was quite unique and probably served as something of a wakeup call to the industry + gatekeepers.

like, above all others that have slowly chipped away at the mold, this is the song that has exposed the normative media strategy over the past five years of radio for the sham that it was. like, hello, okay, so crossover DOES still exist! -- members of the public DO indeed still want to feel like they exist in the same fucking world as their neighbors! now it's time to get with the program, and keep it moving.

dyl, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 05:08 (eleven months ago) link

YES

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 07:07 (eleven months ago) link

Has anyone done this at karaoke yet?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 08:39 (eleven months ago) link

My company is getting a karaoke machine and I predict it will be one of the first songs performed (not by me)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 10:51 (eleven months ago) link

i still hear i gotta feeling at weddings

maura, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:42 (eleven months ago) link

Has anyone done this at karaoke yet?


do the barenaked ladies running through it as part of a set closing medley count

maura, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:43 (eleven months ago) link

Mid-May of this year, I was putting together a karaoke list with my students* and they all agreed on this song. No one actually chose it come time for us to actually do the karaoke but it was unanimously chosen as a good option.

*young adults mostly of hispanic heritage, one Nigerian lady

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:50 (eleven months ago) link

i don't think it'd be fun to sing but the crowd reaction would prob make up for that

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 16:35 (eleven months ago) link

My friend just did it at karaoke this weekend. At least it's a short song

Vinnie, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:45 (eleven months ago) link

seems like one of those songs where before you're done singing the first line you'll know you either nailed it or you're in for a long 2:04

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:14 (eleven months ago) link

otm, so much rests on where you choose to place the YEAAAAAAAAAAH

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:20 (eleven months ago) link

interesting with this chart record also is that billie eilish must have been sat doggedly at number 2 now for quite a significant amount of weeks also

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Friday, 9 August 2019 04:27 (eleven months ago) link

Eilish: the new CCR?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 9 August 2019 12:41 (eleven months ago) link

the specific word/note where everything would go wrong, if it went wrong, is probably the first "road," that or not knowing the horse tack verse

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:40 (eleven months ago) link

or forgetting that that the correct pronunciation of "matte" is "matty"

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:48 (eleven months ago) link

http://vm.tiktok.com/8hDvUD/

maura, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 22:43 (ten months ago) link

lmao

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 22:52 (ten months ago) link

hahaha

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 23:17 (ten months ago) link

otm

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:28 (ten months ago) link

v good

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:40 (ten months ago) link

blake shelton and trace adkins have created zero good music between the two of them

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 07:56 (ten months ago) link

had to go back and listen to "this ain't no thinkin' thing" again to verify - like a poor singer's version of "seminole wind" with dumb lyrics. '96 is when country really started to suck

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 08:02 (ten months ago) link

Ugh, of all bs they had to pick Hank Jr. to big-up?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:05 (ten months ago) link

To some listeners, that’s just Shelton and Adkins pitting real country, as represented by Williams Jr., against fake country, in the form of Lil Nas X’s country-trap hybrid. Others have wondered about the optics of bringing up Lil Nas X, one of the few black stars in history to have a substantial hit with a country (or at least country-adjacent) song, in an unfavorable comparison to, of all people, Williams Jr., who for decades has been practically a poster boy for the Confederate flag and pro-Confederacy sentiments.

Among those expressing concern over the juxtaposition was David Cantwell, a country music author and historian whose books include an acclaimed Merle Haggard biography (and who wrote about Hank Jr.’s complicated legacy for the New Yorker). “On the new Blake Shelton single, saying ‘Hell Right’ to someone taking off ‘Old Town Road’ and putting on something else is, in this moment, a dick move,” Cantwell tweeted. “OK, whatever. But taking off Lil Nas in favor of Hank Jr. will be predictably, understandably read as a racist dick move. WTF Blake?” Other country music journalists and observers chimed in in agreement with Cantwell’s take.

A spokesperson for Shelton insists no disrespect toward Lil Nas X was intended in the new song: “It’s absolutely not throwing any kind of shade at Lil Nas X at all. Blake says this literally has nothing to do with anything at all except how much the song is played. It could have been ‘Achy Breaky Heart’ or any other (overplayed) song.” Speaking of Billy Ray Cyrus, who did a duet with Lil Nas X on a remix of “Old Town Road”: “Blake talked to Billy Ray,” said the spokesperson, “and he thought it was funny.”

https://yahoo.com/entertainment/blake-shelton-takes-shot-old-003320704.html

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:19 (ten months ago) link

all my racist friends are coming over tonight

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:23 (ten months ago) link

Pretty sure Webster's uses a photo of Shelton for one of the definitions of "Dick Move"

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:32 (ten months ago) link

Oh, I didn't realize Billy Ray thought it was funny, nm.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:45 (ten months ago) link

according to a Shelton publicist

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:52 (ten months ago) link

I asked another white guy my age and he didn't think it was racist

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:59 (ten months ago) link

was he Shelton's publicist

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:59 (ten months ago) link

haha I meant the fact the publicist asked Billy Ray if it was cool instead of Lil Nas X

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:02 (ten months ago) link

lol i love that. we talked to billy ray and he said we were cool. ????

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:02 (ten months ago) link

Glad they're getting called out for this. It drove me crazy when Tim McGraw released an album called Sundown Heaven Town 5 years ago and nobody said anything.

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:06 (ten months ago) link

ha -- that McGraw album has a couple of his best tunes (and McGraw's the Dem).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:09 (ten months ago) link

sundown town yikes

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:11 (ten months ago) link

wow, I've never heard that term before.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:27 (ten months ago) link

"hell right" is also not a term

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:29 (ten months ago) link

hell right fucking yeah

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:30 (ten months ago) link

maybe they are trying to make hell right a thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:31 (ten months ago) link

the song appears to be about the correct way to party ("raise hell right"), which appears to be:

- get twice as drunk as you initially planned
- be a football fan
- play hank williams junior (??) instead of the most popular song in America

so far so fuckheaded, but I'm confused by "a bottle to burn and a fire to light". what does that refer to? molotov cocktails??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:42 (ten months ago) link

It’s def NAGL but I’m inclined to believe Blake in that he HAS made very awkward inroads at genre-crossing and racial harmony (I’ve said this before but this video is a great example of when someone is trying to woke but ends up lowkey racist)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JXAgv665J14

I mean, it could be a Miley sitch of abandoning black culture when it’s not convinient or profitable, but Blake was obv on that country-rap ish six years ago and could probably be milking it idk.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:52 (ten months ago) link

fuck bro country

brimstead, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:41 (ten months ago) link

there's absolutely nothing about the 'genre-crossing' nashville-approved country hits that's in any way supportive of racial harmony

dyl, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:43 (ten months ago) link

^ otm

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:45 (ten months ago) link

except "Old Town Road."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:52 (ten months ago) link

I thought OTR wasn’t Nashville approved!

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:14 (ten months ago) link

once you get Cyrus it's a chef's kiss

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:16 (ten months ago) link

there's absolutely nothing about the 'genre-crossing' nashville-approved country hits that's in any way supportive of racial harmony


I mean, the video makes Shelton’s attempt explicit (though, obviously, not in the most woke or nuanced way)

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:25 (ten months ago) link

I'm reluctant to give Shelton the benefit of the doubt because he sucks.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:49 (ten months ago) link

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:21 (ten months ago) link

In April 2012, Trace Adkins announced that he was backing Mitt Romney in the presidential election. Part of the reason is that he's a proud supporter of the NRA, and feels Republicans better represent his ideology. “I don’t like the direction that Democrats want to take this country,” he said. “I’ve been a Republican since I registered to vote in 1980.”

In August, Adkins performed a new song called 'Tough People Do' that many wanted to call the "GOP anthem." He sang it at the Republican National Convention, but said it was a song for all people, no matter their political affiliation.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:24 (ten months ago) link

Trace Adkins Set to Perform at Fundraiser Where Donald Trump Will Headline

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:31 (ten months ago) link

If racists get triggered by OTR does that mean I have to like it

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:33 (ten months ago) link

i think whiney is right these civil rights activists definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt

https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-trumps-america-homophobe-blake-shelton-is-the-sexiest-man-alive

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:38 (ten months ago) link

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:21 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hank is pretty much who every country song uses as a signifier though (see "My Church," "How I'll Always Be," "Redneck Crazy," you could really do this forever) -- it's code, but code for "REAL country music, none of that pop crap," which obviously has certain implications baked in, but one step removed.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:26 (ten months ago) link

Bullshit that Trace Adkins hasn’t made any good music. The Stubborn One is an all time song.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:29 (ten months ago) link

As posted above, there are a whole bunch of "real" country artists, depending on your taste. George Jones, Merle, Willie, Johnny Cash, Hank Sr., Waylon. They just happened to pick the one best known these days for being a reactionary racist.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:54 (ten months ago) link

he's he's beenike, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine) at 4:26 17 Aug 19

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:21 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hank is pretty much who every country song uses as a signifier though (see "My Church," "How I'll Always Be," "Redneck Crazy," you could really do this forever) -- it's code, but code for "REAL country music, none of that pop crap," which obviously has certain implications baked in, but one step removed.

understood, also I believe the relationship between my post and your post is no coincidence

I remember reading this Tape Op interview with Roy Orbison's producer and he's been doing Roy records in Nashville, he gets called into a meeting with Fred Rose from Acuff Rose and a bunch of the founders of Nashville saying quit making n-word music in this town or you're done. to his credit he said fuck you and left

but they tolerated David Allen Coe's racist stuff, dudes like Johnny Rebel existed....parts of country music culture aren't deeply racist, including the Country Boy Can Survive shit everyone loved in my farm town high school

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:57 (ten months ago) link

I will defend some of Hank, Jr.'s eighties music too -- tougher than that slushy period allowed.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2019 00:18 (ten months ago) link

whisky bent and hellbound is great

I just think it's so weird how ilx forever glosses over this stuff with country while ferreting out every way everything else is problematic

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 01:58 (ten months ago) link

You’re ridiculous bringing up David Allen Coe and Johnny Rebel’s dumbass private press mail order underground albums “existing” as an example of anything that has to do with Nashville.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 07:17 (ten months ago) link

There’s like exponentially more outwardly racist/fascist punk and metal bands

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 07:19 (ten months ago) link

I just think it's so weird how ilx forever glosses over this stuff with country while ferreting out every way everything else is problematic

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

"Gloss over" is doing a lot of work in this sentence.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2019 11:13 (ten months ago) link

I heard a Charlie Daniels verse about how drug dealers should be lynched ("Simple Man") on a radio station in Chattanooga last year.

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 18 August 2019 13:27 (ten months ago) link

What, like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMzADAzipow

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 18 August 2019 13:44 (ten months ago) link

yes Whiney no shit do you really think there's any possible way I didn't know that?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:10 (ten months ago) link

also feel free to address the articles I posted about yr boy Blake

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:11 (ten months ago) link

"You're ridiculous for bringing up David Allen Coe in a conversation about race and country"

*brings up whaddabout Burzum in a conversation about race and country*

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:16 (ten months ago) link

also feel free to address the articles I posted about yr boy Blake


My boy sounds like a real dumbass!

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 15:12 (ten months ago) link

So anyway, are some of you happy now

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/8527749/billie-eilish-bad-guy-number-one-hot-100

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2019 20:16 (ten months ago) link

Duh!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:30 (ten months ago) link

Expect several good tweets from both camps are forthcoming

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:32 (ten months ago) link

Next OTR remix should feature Eilish.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:43 (ten months ago) link

xpost Well yes

congratulations to billie eilish!! u deserve this!!

— nope (@LilNasX) August 19, 2019

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2019 20:53 (ten months ago) link

http://i.ibb.co/94wMYGF/Lil-Nas-x-Time.jpg

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:51 (ten months ago) link

i'm scared

billstevejim, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 04:59 (ten months ago) link

me too. of the meacham and mcgraw article.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:35 (ten months ago) link

.@KatyPerry, @LilNasX and @JeffBezos pose together in new photo. pic.twitter.com/wwtt4K8Yt0

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) August 21, 2019

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:04 (ten months ago) link

Bezos has a real Matthew Lesko vibe in that one

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:46 (ten months ago) link

My son asked me tonight if I’ve ever heard of the song “Old Town Road.”

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:34 (ten months ago) link

Well, HAVE YOU, you oldster?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:38 (ten months ago) link

Bezos has a real Matthew Lesko vibe in that one

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:46 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I learned within the past month that Wall Street floor traders dress in goofy ass clown suits like this

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:43 (ten months ago) link

pic.twitter.com/qxcowYhtMx

— |L I Z Z O| (@lizzo) August 27, 2019

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 05:38 (ten months ago) link

giving old town road a good ol' second line march
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_cLDU9yt9k

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 20:42 (ten months ago) link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=85v_vtFhKUw

New Impressionz ( dc bouncebeat go-go version) . Have heard other DC go-go groups do it too, but this was first one that popped up on YouTube

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 September 2019 21:12 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

just heard this for the first time

envy my hermit game?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:47 (eight months ago) link

what did you think?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 25 October 2019 02:27 (eight months ago) link

i got the morbses in the back

Lucky Pierre Delecto (crüt), Friday, 25 October 2019 02:30 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

and here we go full circle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T-gwyR7ugE

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 15:44 (five months ago) link

I quite like his deal musically even though it's an amalgamation of several awful things

opden gnash (imago), Sunday, 2 February 2020 12:00 (five months ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.