Guess: The chart position that the new Morrissey album "Low in High School" debuts at.

If Paul Draper can get to #8 or whatever he can surely still get a number one

I assume you mean UK charts

that's what I assumed was being asked

I seriously think (as opposed to the text in the poll) that he's infuriated more than 60% of the people that might have considered buying it. That's not even considering the number of people that got off the bus after "Maladjusted".

xpost yes.

the first single is shit, obv, but you can get to number one in the album charts nowadays by selling less than 8,000 copies so it's definitely a possibility

I checked: Paul Draper managed 1 week at No 19.

Fair play to him, but.

if the dipshit out of mansun (mansun ffs) can crack the top 20 then surely morrissey can shift enough units to get into the top five at least

mansun >>>> the smiths

look you might not be a Mansun fan but calling anyone a dipshit in comparison to Moz is more than a little rich

predictably...

https://www.out.com/armond-white/2017/9/20/morrisseys-erotics-protest

yeah never reading that

I got as far as "morning-wood truancy"

I'm less happy for Paul Draper and his chart position since he made one of the members of the band supporting his solo tour feel so uncomfortable with inappropriate messages that the band quit the whole tour.

I think Morrissey will go in at number two behind Taylor Swift and he'll have left his current label within the week. I also predict the NME will give his album a ridiculously high score with an interview following the next week. The same as the last few albums then.

what? re: draper. can't find anything on twitter

I generally don't have time for new Morrissey but this works better than I expected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9bWV8ccCeY

XP -

Hi all
So a lot of you have been asking why we decided to drop the Paul Draper dates and I wanted to explain rather than sweep it under the carpet. I work too hard and sacrifice too much to stand for the treatment that I have had by this person. I woke up yesterday to a public tweet from Paul and inappropriate messages to my band's Facebook page which made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. Me and him have never even had a conversation.
In reading these messages, his intentions became very clear. Knowing this I felt it was impossible to continue the tour dates with him comfortably. I also did not want to set a precedent that this type of behaviour is okay. I sacrifice a lot to be in this band and play these shows. I work for no money and I sleep on floors because I want to do this and I want to get myself into a position where I can support my two year old son.
I have experienced sexism, misogyny and prejudice, but this time, enough is enough. I will not pander because I want success. I was asked to sweep this under the carpet, but I can't. I was asked to play the shows, thankfully by no one on my team, but I can't. I want to play alongside musicians that respect me and like me for my music and personality, not because they are sexually interested in me. I will not be an advertisement for any level of this behaviour being acceptable, because it isn't. There are too many examples of this behaviour in all forms of workplace and I wanted to stand up and say that it is not acceptable, no matter what level you are at in your career, whether you identify as male or female, no one should feel harassed or made to feel uncomfortable by those intentions. I thought about laughing it off, doing the shows, but felt such happiness that even the men in my life did not think this was acceptable and supported me in wanting to speak out. This is about the bigger picture.
It was a really hard decision to make but I hope you all understand. Estrons is about being proud of who you are, and I'm not angry or slating Paul Draper, I understand his mindset and I'm not holding any grudges. I just want to start changing these mindsets and bring us into a new way of thinking. We've all missed out on revenue, time, new fans and disappointed current fans, and I'm really sorry. But this is more important. I hope you understand and I hope to see you soon.
Tali x

o god

i know i shouldn't need to look any further but i do wonder what was said...

wow, I wonder how catherine anne davis felt about that Draper shit.. she has left some cryptic things on FB and then said she was taking time off social media while she worked on her new album; and said that the tour was 'difficult'. she was pretty peeved that a journalist commented only on her looks when she was the musical director of Draper's band too.

RE Armond:

Laziness with moral and social implications make this song almost Chekhov-like, resembling the short story “Oblomov” about a man who stayed in bed as a refusal of middle-class routine.

Oblomov isn't a short story, it's a 500 page novel which he clearly hasn't read.

i haven't read it either but you can't have read a big russian novel and thought it was a short story ffs.

Between two and ten

and that story, wow.

I know someone who knows the Estrons (I think he knows Catherine Anne Davis too) and when I was talking to him about this, he said Paul Draper has a really bad reputation for this kind of thing. I don't love Mansun like I used to (they were my favourite band as a teenager) but I was still rooting for Paul. Not anymore.

'the dipshit out of mansun' in dipshit behaviour shocker

Ok this Mansun band is fucking terrible England what is wrong w u?

the 90s were a confusing time

well this took an unfortunate turn

afternoon thread truancy

At this point, he shifts into one of his great media invectives: “I recommend that you stop watching the news.”

is one line an "invective"?

"England what is wrong w u?"

Some blokes from Chester took it upon themselves to balance out all the good done by jungle, UKHC & drum&bass earlier that decade by releasing an indie prog album featuring Tom Baker as narrator. And they made a good fist of the job.

Six will always be a personal favourite but it doesn't exactly shatter my worldview to learn that paul draper is a twat

this song almost Chekhov-like, resembling the short story “Oblomov”

Oblomov isn't a short story, it's a 500 page novel which he clearly hasn't read.

― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:23 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i haven't read it either but you can't have read a big russian novel and thought it was a short story ffs.

― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:27 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol and also it's by Goncharov, it's like saying "this song is almost Hardy-esque, resembling the short story "Bleak House."

lol

This thread has had more legs thanks to Paulo Draper. Would never have guessed.

Six will always be a personal favourite but it doesn't exactly shatter my worldview to learn that paul draper is a twat

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 17:50 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this

This week's most cancelled pre-order: 'Low In High School' by Morrissey: https://t.co/IOlNcfFKZM

— Norman Records (@normanrecords) October 5, 2017

haha damn

"People were pre-ordering the album, just so they could cancel it"

hard for me to think of a rock icon who has so annoyed and sickened 1/2 of his fanbase by simply being himself. (the other half are as fervent as ever )

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

this tedious old racist cancelled his show tonight, half an hour after he was due onstage, on the grounds that it was too chilly outside

After all this, it'll probably still make number one. Unless Sam Smith.

I like him

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Late news: Mozambique withdraws album because the charts are too cold.

this album is not good

Mozambique? Just seen that...

Ahem. S/be "Moz"

Morrissey's interview with 'Der Spiegel' ensures that his German chart position won't be great either:

Morrissey’s interview with Der Spiegel was going quite well until he called the EU a “German empire” and Berlin “the capital of rape” pic.twitter.com/XTfidmkDo9

— Philip Oltermann (@philipoltermann) November 18, 2017

https://www.stereogum.com/1972241/morrissey-defends-kevin-spacey-and-harvey-weinstein-saying-victims-shouldve-known-what-could-happen/news/

"If you go through history, almost everyone is guilty of sleeping with minors." c'mon Moz

So very very VERY done with this man.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/review-morrisseys-low-in-high-school-w512057

"Teach your kids to recognize and despise all the propaganda/Filtered down by the dead echelon's mainstream media." c'mon Moz

I feel like he and Corgan could be BFFs now.

Fitting that The Quietus got Mr Agreeable out of semi-retirement to review this.

I feel like he and Corgan could be BFFs now

https://i.imgur.com/FF4BKHL.png

maybe Paul Joseph Watson is our generation's Morrissey

More like Morrissey is the Paul Joseph Watson of the geriatric indie kid generation.

Morrissey and Alex Jones both being barrel-chested middle-aged men who take their shirts of in public feels significant though.

Jello Biafra another member of this club:

http://musica.culturamix.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/jello-biafra/jello-biafra-14.jpg

lmao @ thinking this cunt is "two shitty opinions away" from anything in 2017 tho

*even more decades of unvarying littlejohn gobshite antics elapse* yes I'm definitely beginning to think morrissey might be straying from the righteous path somewhat

btw this album is terrible.

tbf I don't think Jello Biafra is likely to end up espousing any of these views any time soon

It's always weird to see anyone focus on chart positions in the 21st Century.

Mr Agreeable review is thrilling.

Every time Morrissey says some new horrible thing in an interview, two thing invariably happen. First, I feel disheartened and frustrated as a huge fan of his music, bewildered yet again at how out of step he is with the concerns of his own fans, and convinced that he has no one in his life who is not an employee or a sycophant to give him any perspective. You'd think I'd be used to this by now, but I'm not, and I doubt I ever will be.

But then I also feel frustrated by all the people I see issuing their latest denunciation of Morrissey, because I know that many of them are avowed fans of artists whose political views and/or personal behavior are at least as bad as his, if not worse. Admittedly, part of this is just me being defensive. But it's not that I want Morrissey to get a pass. It's more that I wish everyone in music who says or does repulsive things would get the kind of ridicule that Morrissey rightly does.

It reminds me of that Onion article, Man Always Gets Little Rush Out of Telling People John Lennon Beat Wife. There are definitely people who get a little rush out of talking about Morrissey's racism, and now, his idiotic victim-blaming--even as they themselves are unapologetic fans of '70s rock stars whose racial views were dubious at best, and who had sex with untold numbers of underage girls, for example.

This is not passive-aggressively directed at anyone in this thread, by the way. I don't know if it applies to any of you. I'm thinking of other people.

The new album has at least a couple of really good songs on it. "Spent the Day In Bed" still sucks.

nothing morrissey ever does really seems out of character to me. he strikes me as amazingly consistently annoying, personally, since at least 1992 or so. in fact I can think of no other rock star who has let more of his fans down on a regular basis by simply being himself.

Bloke is self centred. That is it.

No matter how horrible anything Morrissey says, it's still likeable than those bald fuckwads Quantick or Stubbs have ever managed

akm otm

can't we all agree that he's a loathsome racist and have done with it, perhaps that way there's a chance we never have to hear from him ever again

"If you go through history, almost everyone is guilty of sleeping with minors." c'mon Moz

throughout history most people ate meat too

He's an incorrigible racist but at least he isn't bald

Oh wait

Lesson from history: full-barnet fascist vegetarians are more of fucking horrible influence than slapheads. nb: Morrissey is a complete twat and I hope he dies.

why so ppl always say mean things about bald people it kind of hurts my feelings sometimes tbh

I try not to be sensitive about it because I be realize most men that still have hair will lose it and eventually go bald so they kind of need to distance themselves from it but still

So is this out yet? what ended up being the chart position for this album? Or is he tweeting stupid shit once again to remind people he has a new album out?

Ah not tweeting sorry just saying stupid shit

The album is out, the chart position will be as of Friday.

also,

Now would be a really bad time to reform The Smiths...

i wish that queen is dead reissue had instrumental versions. esp of some girls are bigger than others.

shakedown otm

baldy bastards

It's always weird to see anyone focus on chart positions in the 21st Century.

― yesca, Sunday, November 19, 2017 12:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

having had the (dubious) pleasure of reading morrissey's memoir he is extremely concerned with chart placement and i will be very glad if this underperforms for that reason.

Just when I think Morrissey can't possibly come out with anything more stupid than he has previously, he suddenly goes and outdoes himself. I often wonder if he's always held these views and just become less concerned with keeping his trap shut or if this stuff was a post-Smiths development - and if so, I wonder what actually had led him to have these views? There's also the idea that he's deliberately trolling everyone as some kind of fucked up promo campaign for his new record, but it's all been going on for too long now and I think he genuinely believes the shit he comes out with.

At this stage, there's a wide gulf in attitude between Morrissey and his increasingly disillusioned fanbase.

His self centered ness chimed with people when they had similar problems.

Now it doesn't.

It's true, we all used to be insane racists.

Album is number 2 in the midweeks (UK), behind Paloma Faith.

Pretty sure the Mr Agreeable review was more entertaining the album will be.

TS: Precious vegetarian fascist twats you can't fucking stand: Oswald Mosley vs Hitler vs Rustle fucking Brands vs Morrissey vs Stafford Cripps (token communist vegetarian, who liked to eat them raw - died in his 60's btw!)

Gonna have to start FP'ing the ILX baldists. NAGL shaming folk for a genetically inhairited part of their ageing process.

You missed Charles Manson from that list.

#5

ha

lol!

Get in!

A (Spanish) guy I know on Facebook is a Morrissey fan :( so I've been reading comments from Moz fans over the last few days concerning his Kevin Spacey comments: these people are completely insane, it's like they're in a cult or something.

Yeah, he seems to be quite good at inspiring that sort of thing in people.

,Five!

I mean, I understand Paloma Faith might show him a clean pair of heels, but.

Well, he's beat Taylor, Sheeran and Orbison.

Just that Sam, BallBoe and Tokey...

That is truly glorious. I'm pretty sure he expected it to go at least Top 2. Although not surprising given I imagine the midweeks were before people knew about the Spacey comments? It's his second lowest-peaking solo album as well.

Studio album, I should say.

Wow so people in the UK truly love him huh? Even 5 seems yo high for me and the fact that it’s his lowest scoring so far... had no idea he still had that many fans of his solo work.

As much as I want to join in celebrating the well deserved failure of this album, the sales were 25,728 which is an improvement over his last album which sold 18,762 in the first week. It's a depressing thought that he's gained any kind of popularity in the last three years. I'm sure he'll just see the chart position and release that angry statement before quitting the label before the end of the month.

The most amusing part is that he went in at number five, that's just three places higher than Shed Seven managed the previous week. Weird times.

Wow so people in the UK truly love him huh?

25,728 people do.

probably got a bunch of EDL lads buying it just on principle

Disappointing Iron Maiden performance amid all of that. If they'd beaten him I'd have pissed myself laughing.

I saw that the Shed Seven album dropped from 8 to 100

Shed Seven album's sold slightly more in two weeks than their last one sold in 16 years. The new one's only sold about 15,000, mind.

The fact that there was any demand whatsoever for a new Shed Seven album is a stain on this great nation.

i have at least a couple of friends who still love that band *shrug emoji*

I have a cousin who is in a wedding band who described them as "Yorkshire's finest: The brilliant Shed 7" recently. Fucking seriously man!

i saw the S7 album in the racks this week and did a double take.
expected it to be a self released/low budget thing, but no .. major label release.

Aw yeaaaaah:

DonaldJTrumpJr liked this tweet: https://t.co/HtDG77MrnV

— Trump Alert (@TrumpsAlert) November 27, 2017

really hoped that was going to be a Tweet about Shed 7

what's the verdict on morrissey according to ilx? is he racist or not?

http://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-kill-vermin-trump-2163033

come on ilx get yr act together

Yes, he's a racist.

I dunno man, is that "the ilx verdict"? We are an effete liberal monoculture after all

That's the DJP verdict, which is one I've held for close to 30 years now.

It's basically a no-brainer

Want to feel old? This is what Ross and Rachel from Friends look like now pic.twitter.com/5XZyLR3xBr

— Stuart Taylor (@stuartctaylor) January 16, 2017

As someone who has just had a large breakfast of sausages and bacon I don’t have any skin in this game but the myth that Hitler was a veggie was debunked years ago I think. Goebbels looked at charismatic firebrands such as Gandhi and Lenin and realized that he should present Adolf as an ascetic radical with so much dedication to the cause that he didn’t have time for wine and women and was too militant for tobacco and meat. Barely any of it was true, although he didn’t smoke. Interestingly, I think, you could argue that Morrissey has constructed a similar image for himself over the years. While I don’t doubt his dedication to vegetarianism, he’s always liked to cultivate this image of someone who shies away from life’s sensual pleasures. Anyone who has met him tends to paint the portrait of someone who is, ah, quite thirsty and perhaps the words ‘Ceylon tea’ could have been replaced by 13 pints of Stella in his most recent interview. See also his historical celibacy. I don’t care about this image making at all... just his dyspeptic bigotry. Just add him to the long list of retirement age musicians who are too stupid to realise that they have long since won their battles and no longer thrive in any useful way from their insistence on courting controversy. And at least John Lydon has the common sense to restrict himself to politics.

Apropos of nothing, I wouldn't describe Lenin as a charismatic firebrand, that sounds more like Trotsky, but I imagine Goebbels baulked at presenting Hitler as Jewish.

Totally fair point re: Trotsky. I guess the plan wasn't exactly presenting him as anything, just subtly sowing an idea of him in the public consciousness. Either way - the Hitler was a veggie thing, kind of boils my goat every time I hear it.

I agree that he's fundamentally thick as pigshit and the most generous view you can take is to allow for this fact - idk about how "committed" he is to the animal rights cause, I suppose as much as any other interminable PETA gobshite who can't even be arsed to go vegan

xxp
his latest biographer Volker Ullrich didn't debunk his vegetarianism in his gigantic first volume of Hitler: Ascent, maybe saving Baconrossa for vol2.

there were a lot of esoteric and ascetic ideas floating around Nazism, if Goebbels made up some of Hitler's quirks from whole cloth I've never seen later historians refute them

the Ullrich book is allegedly the most rigorous + painstakingly researched study yet, but he admits the limitations of going through an archive with gaping gaps where huge parts of it were reduced to dust, but at least Morrissey's risible vanity novel still exists!

a brief google tells me that the evidence on Hitler's diet is mixed but Morrissey is definitely a racist

idk about how "committed" he is to the animal rights cause, I suppose as much as any other interminable PETA gobshite who can't even be arsed to go vegan

4 real. re-title your album 'cheese is murder' or stfu imo

he has Irish cheddar on his rider. he is pre-vegan veggoe for life

Ullrich suggests that Hitler's vegetarian diet was linked to his "pathological mix of fear of mortality and messianic conviction". He was more shit-scared of getting cancer than getting assassinated and was convinced he wouldn't get to 50, to do his important work. But I am sure at the odd BBQ he said "fuck it".

Irish Cheddar, English Heart Disease

irish cheddar seems like something he'd be culturally (rather than politically) opposed to

he's a Galtee dude

an expect-a-wexford mystery xp

"Irish Cheddar on the Rider" should be the title of his next album

holy shit this album suuuuuuuuucks aaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

lol you listened to the album

i also listened to every eagles track in sequence for a few months i have problems

Dropped from 5 to 48 this week. Have seen worse.

Not much though.

Does Ulrich’s book contain much stuff on the Liverpool Hitlers, or give any credence to the idea that Adolf went there on holiday when he was younger?

No mention of that + he also dismisses other things like one testicle, syphilis, mythical French girl called Charlotte he got pregnant and the Jewish grandfather.

Rise and Fall of the Third Reich guy repeated a lot of allied propaganda without question imo

and is a total homophobic dick.

well was, of course. A true product of his era I suppose.

I seem to remember him going especially into apoplectic rage over Röhm's homosexuality and any other Nazi gays, repeatedly.

This album has grown on me. Even "Spent the Day in Bed" is alright to me now, it's really just the lyrics I don't care for. I think "Home Is a Question Mark" is a winner. It might be his worst LP, but there's some good stuff in there.

His new fixation on Israel is something. I'm guessing he played some shows there and liked the way he was received, so naturally he's got a song called "Israel" now, with lyrics like "they who reign abuse upon you / they are jealous of you as well". That was pretty much what I was afraid of when I saw the song title.

Readers of this thread may also be interested to know that at the show in DC last night, he touted this album's #1 placement on the US and UK vinyl charts, while also saying that it went to #10 on the "US... other charts" (actually #20 on the Billboard 200, but #3 on the rock album chart, I've just learned).

calz absolutely correct about Shirer -/I've.remembered his name now!

wondering now if this dimension of the shirer book (pub.1960) was what was responsible for the rash of films in the early 70s stressing the sexual decadence of the third reich (the damned, the night porter etc), which mostly starred dirk bogarde and were lapped up by some of the punky foax SPM admired when young (punky foax often cheekily pro the queer-cult elements the film-makers were a lot more ambivalent abt)

Could well be the case, because there wasn't a lot of competition for Shirer's book, and as turgid as it is - it was still probably the most comprehensive guide to the Nazis going right into the 70's, unless I've missed something.

yes, that's what i remember from the early 70s: grown-ups reading it and talking about it bcz it covered a lot of ground (not just sex) that was basically new to the general reading public

I think it's v readable! it's just bollocks is all

I read about a quarter of it and then audio-booked the rest and it is entertaining bollox. But to some extent all Hitler books are bollox and often over-reliant on Goebbels horrible diaries or like Shirer writing works of fiction really, which I think even Kershaw is guilty of to some extent. They just haven't got that nebulous Soviet archive that Stalin biographers have, which are so fucking massive they overwhelm some people.

*lol just spellchecked + Goebbels horrible Dairies almost submitted.

This week (or next), Moz dreams of number five....