Neutral Milk Hotel: Classic or Dud?

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I think this is the biggest suprise on the ILM Top 100.. so now I want to know just who here is a NMH fan ( a category that I admittedly fall into )and why?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic, both albums, for all the reason stated in the top100 thread.

Yes, they are an E6 band but don't subscribe to the 60s pop aesthic that most (but not all) of the other E6 bands do. Sonically and lyrically they are much more diverse.

Jeff, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I wonder if it has to do with an old josh blog post that said something to the effect of "If you don't like Neutral Milk Hotel, you can't be my friend (with the possible exception of Jeff Mangum stealing your girlfriend and writing a song about her)"

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I went well past my word count on this one in the 10-6 thread, but, yes, classic. I hope that with whatever Mangum does next, he doesn't end up stared down by his success and admiration and weighed down by expectation.

And I still think "Pinkerton" is a bigger shock, and Weezer just has a higher profile fan base.

scott p., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic, both albums, objectively for all the reasons listed in the top 100 (particularly Scot's, which were marvelously stated and thank you) and personally because even now I go through phases where I can't listen to anything else, no matter how hard I try, and some of their songs still make my heart move into my throat and give me butterflies in my stomach.

Oh and I want Josh to be my friend.

Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sorry, I meant Scott, with two t's.

Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The E6 scene is total shit, NMH are the only band I can tolerate. The first NMH album is a piece of crap, except for "Song Against Sex", which is one of the best songs anyone's ever done, ever, anyone. The second album is great, and may well be the 9th best piece of music ever, though I didn't vote for it. "Everything Is", the a-side to an early 7", is probably their second best song.

Why am I only posting about retarded music today?

Otis Wheeler, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They are classic...I can't really describe why I like them, I just do, I find them more interesting and listenable than alot of bands are. They are good live as well. It doesn't matter if they release another album or not. As for them making the top 10...GOOD! Lists shouldn't be predictable!!!!

james e l, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

otis, don't make me follow that question to its logical conclusion.

fred solinger, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I didn't vote, but big classic from me. I haven't listened to them in a while, but during a certain period those two records were crucial for me. The voice & words are just so naked. Mangum's obsession with bodiliy fluids, etc. seems tied to some half-remembered collective memory. Like that "Two Headed Boy" song, that image of a tiny child with two heads floating in a jar of formaldahyde, tapping on the jar--it's primal and hits the same place as Lynch's Eraserhead, a dream space that's hard to articulate (which is why I'm not doing a good job of it!) Anyway, even if I can't explain it, I understand why it was voted so highly.

Mark, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The way you describe the lyrical content, Mark, you make NMH sound like the Tool for people afraid to rock out without apologizing for it. ;-)

Speaking of which, _Lateralus_ = wonderfulness.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always described _Aeroplane_ to curious friends as "like listening to a history book." It's a trip I love to take.

Classic for the line "I'm tasting Naomi's perfume. It tastes like shit."

Keiko, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

CLASSIC!!! CLASSIC!!! Their 2 albums are fantastic! In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is the best album ever for me! It captures images and feelings that I can't found elsewhere. Go listen to it you don't know what you're missing!

Luís Sousa, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

in the aeroplane(to continue the general trend) is completely amazing and wonderful. it is the voice, the ache seems so real and the lyrics shy away from crap whiny sentiments like say bright eyes or (insert your favourite emo band here) and more towards bizarre imagery and non-specific oddity. they aren't the only good thing on e6, of montreal's kevin barnes is just as clever and the last of montreal record is fantastically off-kilter and charming and pop.

the new ladybug transistor record is beautiful, strange thing that all of their side projects are absolutely horrid but because gary olson is around on lt records they are great, but then he was a member of the mad scene and maybe some of hamish kilgour's genius rubbed off on him. how pleasing to see the clientele mention the chills as their favourite band, i imagine he was a big fan of the moles as well.

keith, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I really, *really* begin to wonder if I'm hearing the same band here. I'm more or less with Otis on E6's general worthlessness, though the band I spare from the axe is Elf Power. First to die will be Robert Schneider and all of Olivia Tremor Control. After that I'll just hunt them one by one and leave their skulls out as a warning.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've only heard On Avery Island once and In The Aeroplane... twice, so I've been staying away from this thread because I'm underinformed but....well....there's a *reason* I've heard them so little and it's not that I don't have copies. It's that I thought they - ITAOTS in particular - were ghastly rubbish - and not just in an oh, this isn't very interesting way, in a "fucking hell this is absolutely hateful" way. I'm now going to have to dig up my tape and play it again so I can work out why. Damn you, ILM.

Tom, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

utter utter classic. no question, noo question whatsoever. i can't understand the mentality of someone who wouldn't fall to their peasant knees and bow down in servitude towards the towering work of boundless romanticism and palpable pain of 'In The Aeroplane, Over The Sea'.

Haven't ever made it all the way through 'On Avery Island', but, yes, 'song about sex' is utter greatness. search the charred usk of napster for mangum's take of Spector's 'i love how you love me', too, or any NMH boots you can find. wonderful love band.

stevie, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What a crappy band name.

Patrick, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom, In the Aeroplane... is about as intentionally hateful as a record gets. It's much more confrontational than any other E6 shit (confrontational is not the right word, what I mean is it's not so slight and ignorable). I'd concentrate on the pretty song (track 3) or the fast one (track 6) if I were you. It's a very happy album, to me.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Okay, I'm calling time -- 'boundless romanticism' of _In An Aeroplane_ my ass. So clearly we're listening to different records, and the question is, do I have the real album or do you? ;-)

Ultimately, Neutral Milk Hotel remind me of a Dukes of Stratosphear or _On the Sunday of Life_-era Porcupine Tree that makes a critical mistake -- it takes itself seriously.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Some people like them, some people don't. Oh well. I'm not sure I get why some people are so against them. But then if you've only heard the "in the aeroplane" once and really hated it, then it must be a very memorable record to inspire such strong emotion. Which therefore makes it a classic. One of those records you either love or hate, no middle ground.

james e l, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i can't stand when people say 'one of those records you love or hate' makes a good album. maybe it's just an AWFUL ALBUM but some idiots like it for some ass- backwards reason like being so deprived that lame folky strumming and boring would-be 'shocking' lyrics actually make a good album, which in that case i advise you to seek out this great new artist named leonard cohen who does the same thing only is 'classic rock' and therefore not as cool as 'indie rock'. thanks!

p.s. : they're by far the worst band in elephant 6. much love.

ethan, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hurrah! Ethan and I will join forces and destroy the world!

More to the point -- you've actually got it wrong, James, I didn't hate it with a deep and abiding passion, I more found it pointless. Consider: I *loathe* Rage Against the Machine and always will. Still, I understand why a lot of people really, *really* like them, even if I never will go down that primrose path. I find Neutral Milk Hotel a general nonstarter, vaguely pleasant at best but no more. Hearing them praised to the skies as some sort of revelation, that's what really suprises and riles me, because I just can't see or hear that at all. Substitute in the word "Weezer" for "Neutral Milk Hotel" and you've got two reactions covered.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah well, I was just trying not to sit on the fence for a change. Have a good day!

james e l, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

first time i played 'aeroplane' i thought it was just pleasant, but the more listens i gave it, the deeper i got sucked into the whole central lyrical conceit - that Mangum wrote the album as a love paean to Anne Frank, and as a poetic musing on her story. some of the lyricism on this record is, to m e, just absolutely stunning, so beautiful - cf Two Headed Boy part 2, 'holland, 1945', 'oh comely'. i'm pretty immune to most of the E6 stuff, but NMH come from a totally different angle. I can't think of a record that touches me as deeply as a lot of 'ITAOTS'.

stevie, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I’m not too sure that the entire album is a paean to Anne Frank, just the one song – "Holland, 1945" – and I’d guess that its more about Mangum’s experience reading The Diary of Anne Frank than anything else.

I also can’t see how the lyrics are hateful, and I don’t think they exist to shock; I think they’re unironic, honest, loving – to the point where that skewed sincerity could be off-putting (and is, obviously). It is a "love it or hate it" album – you connect with it or you don’t, and that, to me, is more time than not a positive. I can see why people would have a strong connection to this record (and many of the other high-ranking selections in the ILM 100 from the Holy Bible to 69LS to Man-Machine) regardless of whether I enjoy them or not.

If I may, about the lyrics: Mangum uses a number of words repeatedly, seemingly in a oblique way (among them: spine, mouth, sweet, cheek, sink, tongue, teeth, face, smile.) Lyrically, the album traces a personal history of pain, loss, and disappointment from an unhappy family life to attempts at comfort through sexual awakening, religious epiphany and a belief in the invincibility of youth to the experience of reading the Diary of Anne Frank and Mangum’s connection to her hope despite inevitable death to the plight of a "Two-Headed Boy" who longs for some sensual, human connection despite his being birthed to a life of almost inevitable loneliness. Throughout, these seemingly unrelated words above are peppered amidst alternating stream-of-consciousness lyrics and very lucid observations about the pain of both Mangum and his characters.

Then, at the end, the final song is about the suicide of a friend, and all of those words are used in context, it’s the moment where Mangum isn’t transferring that fresh pain to memories or moments of hurt that he has had the opportunity to reconcile. And when he pleads, "Push the pieces in place /Make your smile sweet to see /Don't you take this away / I'm still wanting my face on your cheek" it’s almost as if he is pushing all of those scattered lyrical pieces from the previous songs together, allowing himself the chance to grieve for what is causing his hurt, and then it’s too much and he retreats back into character and the album closes with him comforting the two-headed boy as he worries that he’ll never feel true human contact and love, warning him that when and if he does not to lament that it’s ultimately fleeting.

Again, apologies for the length of this.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Clarification re. "hateful" - meant that I hated it (as Ned testifies this is not a binary love/hate reaction). Haven't heard it enough to get any kind of lyrical content - voice/arrangements repelled me quite enough.

Tom, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom: actually it was Otis' post that made me argue that the record isn't hateful. Disliking this, or any other record, I wouldn't argue with someone about in order to try to change opinion. Sorry to come across like that.

I've officially even bored myself on this topic.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The debut is in my mind an utter piece of dung. But that's if you compare it to ITAOTS. I wouldn't call myself a fan of NMH. I would call myself obsessed with ITAOTS. One of the few records I cried when I first heard it. The only other music that did this is the song Thirteen by Big Star.

Stevie Nixed, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jeff Magnum: The Dylan of indie-pop? (Put another way: if say, Toploader, were writing the lyrics, would you still be listening? I am aware that this implies a complete disregard for the actual music behind Bob Dylan's songs - definitely a bad thing- but we all know that Dylan is synonymous primarily with lyrical content.)

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Did they get their name from a random band name generator offa the internet?

, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wrongly synonymous.

Josh, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dylan is patchy, lyrically, even on the famous stuff. But this is a question for another thread I think....

Tom, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Did they get their name from a random band name generator offa the internet?
No, they listened to the white album backwards while tripping on mushrooms. Oh no that was some other E.Sux band.

Stevie Nixed, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Well, I own and am listening to '...Aeroplane...' as I write this and...I honestly don't see (hear) it. With so so so very much praise heaped upon this album (in particular). Track two sounds like The Flaming Lips, circa 'Clouds Taste Metallic' (only not quite is effective). The rest of the album is in the singer-songwriter art-folk vein. The lead vocals, which are most commonly referred to as "passionate" by many, are rather annoying (to be sure - in that Oasis sort of open-mouthed/out-of-tune way). "Eccentric musical accompaniment" (?) I also often hear about this group and album. So what, I say. Have these people never heard Tom Waits (Island years) with the bowed saw (ooo ohhh ahhh), etc. Also, a track like "Two-Headed Boy" (which is a solid song, but) sounds like some Radiohead demo of some sort (back when they actually used guitars on their albums, remember those days). All of which is to say : while it's all solid enough and worth a listen (so on and so forth)...it's hardly (and I really do mean hardly) anything to blow ones mind over (so to speak) - which is how it seems many have done from reading such lavish praise about '...Aeroplane...' across the internet and in print, etc. I mean, come on...is the state of music in THAT poor a shape? Maybe so, but still. That's no reason to blow people out of proper proportion. I say, if someone is so very enamored by this stuff (along with The Olivia Tremor Control and The Ladybug Transistor, etc)...LORDY, I can't wait to hear/read their lavish praise when they finally hear (or re-listen or actually understand) such beginnings as Brian Wilson (circa 1965-71) or The Beatles or early Pink Floyd or The Zombies ('Odessey & Oracle') or Soft Machine (first three) or...the list goes on and on for the originals doing it better (if not much better) the first time around. And, quite honesty, after hearing such bands...I often have to chase them down with those just mentioned forefathers in order to get that "Classic Coke" taste back into my ears.

"Tenk You Veddy Much"

michael g. breece

michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I assure you it's quite possible to have heard these other things, liking some, not liking others ("understanding" though), while simultaneously thinking that NMH are good.

Josh, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this is something to do with the music tapes, right?

gareth, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

anyone seen them live. amazing. jermey barnes is one of the most amazing drummers ever. need proof listen to a bablicnon album. and hearing jeff sing live is like having your head smashed into thousands of pieces while your body feels every fiber stand up on end. people saw jesus at his live shows. the first album is lyrically and musically similar to in the aeroplane a big difference is the subtraction of jeremy barnes as drummmer. he is awesome on in the aeroplane. still nothing compares to jeffs voice. not whiny just about 50 lungs is all. lyrically bizarre (track 10 on aeroplane is not like many other tracks on any album ive heard...and track 2 doesnt sound like clouds taste metallic lips...where the hell did that guy get that idea...what song???) matt

matt, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
felt like reviving this for no reason. carry on.

Melissa W, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If I had to guess, Melissa, I'd say you don't like NMH. Am I right?

Mark, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not really fan, don't particularly like many of the songs (though there are a couple of nice ones) or the arrangements, don't especially subscribe to the notion that Jeff Mangum is a mad genius. And yet, there is something attractive about the music. I do like the way he sings (though it is often suspiciously close to Andy Partridge's yelp), but there's some other kind of phenomenon going on that I can't quite put my finger on.

dleone, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't know them. Their stupid name turns me off so much that I'll probably never know them.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wrong. I like them. But I don't love them. There's something so simultaneously appealing and appalling about them that they mystify me.

Melissa W, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also, I think my intent with reviving this thread was to draw John Darnielle out and get his opinion.

Melissa W, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And you shall have it. Or not. Jeff & I became friends on one of the worst nights of my life in 1993 so I'm ill qualified to judge. That said, though:

1) I think Jeff's a tremendous performer & has a way with a certain kind of melody -- though I think he'd do well to explore some minor keys, occasional seventh-chords, etc

2) I think he's a talented lyricist with a real gift for the rhythms of words within a line

3) I think since he's chosen to make the sort of music that attracts not just fans but people who develop a real emotional attachment to & need for his stuff, he owes them more new material than he seems willing to deliver; I have strong feelings about this as I feel an artist's most important responsibility is to his listeners, and that if you can't write at least five songs a year of you-at-your-best, then you're not trying hard enough

4) "Two-Headed Boy" is a great great great indie rock song, just a great song period; I think if Jeff believed that discipline were a virtue, which he doesn't, he'd be routinely writing some of the great songs of the age

5) Jeff's a prince of a human being, and I don't believe in separating the artist from his output but rather that the one is a reflection of the other: therefore,

CLASSIC

John Darnielle, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't believe in separating the artist from his output but rather that the one is a reflection of the other

This probably should be another thread (I think it is already, actually!) -- I don't believe in this myself. Mr. M not being the subject under discussion here, I should note! I haven't ever met the man, so no point in my judging him on this point. But I've meet some friendly, fine folks who make music that Annoys and Outrages Me Deeply and I've encountered some standoffish idjits who Brought the Rock or whatever.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think NMH is a very good to great band. Admittedly, this is based on a small output so far, and it could very well be that they'll never top "Aeroplane over the Sea". Certainly, most of the credit should go to Mangum, although I think Robert Schneider's contributions to the success of the album are also considerable. His production is almost telepathically well-suited to Mangum's material. When I think of Mangum's strengths as a performer/songwriter, the other figure I most often think of is none other than Bob Dylan. Both are rough-edged, unconventional, yet oddly compelling singers. Both tend to prefer song structures that (from a music theory perspective) are quite simple, perhaps even trite. Both are unusually gifted lyricists, with a keen ear for matching phrase to melody. The fact that this comparison holds up as well as it does is reason in itself to claim that Mangum is a noteworthy artist.

Nate-o, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nmh are still really, really bad.

ethan, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Hello! Let's argue about this band some more! I still love 'em. Aeroplane was my favorite record from like ninth grade through mid-twelfth. I still pull it out at least every month and listen to it.

Lately I've been listening to live stuff, the acoustic set from Aquarius, to be exact. Lots of good unreleased stuff--"My Dream Girl Don't Exist" ; "Oh, Sister" ; "Rubby Bulbs". The demos are decent as well; some more than others. The tape collage stuff is kind of blah, and the noisy jokey stuff ("Chocolate Coffin"?!?! wtf?!?!) is pretty bad. But then you get grebt unreleased tracks like "Circle of Friends," "Wishful Eyes" and "Wood Guitar."

Right now I'm looking for other live stuff (the show with "Ferris Wheel on Fire" ; is that the one from the Cat's Cradle?) and the "Invent Yrself A Shortcake" demo, which I had aeons ago but somehow lost. slsk doesn't work in my dorm, so I can't get things that way--alas.

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

I bought ...Airplane... after many, many promptings and references to it by people and things I respect, and I was nonplussed in a major, major way. However, I dug it out the other day and put it on and enjoyed it immensely, so much so that I've stuck it on iTunes in anticipation of the iPod arriving. So soon maybe I'll form a proper opinion (assuming I give it time amongst the other 2,900 songs ready to go!)

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

ned is the antichrist.

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

In the past several months I became deeply obsessed by a few songs from Aeroplane. I had searched for this one particular song since 2000 when I heard it played over the speakers before a show, I only knew that it had horns in it at some point, and was quite long and a bit dirge-y. (For some reason I had the notion that it was about Anne Frank but after listening to it a lot, I have no idea why I thought that...) I thought it was Smog but couldn't find a Smog song that matched it, then one day I randomly read an article about Jeff Mangum and it struck me that the song might be by NMH. A friend recommended me a few songs and when I heard "Oh Comely" I instantly knew it was the song I had been looking for. It was very strange to hear it again.

I don't really know why I like NMH, or why I like his voice. It doesn't seem like it should be all that affecting to me, but it is-- at least the songs I've heard so far. I relate to what seems to be an elaborate personal mythology running through the songs, and like how he uses language.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

There are few better songs than the title track to Aeroplane Over the Sea. I will admit I am touched in a very spine-tingling way every time I hear the last verse -

"...laughing at everyone I see / can't believe / how strange it is to be / anything at all...."

I don't know why that line resonates so strongly with me, but it really, really does.

So, classic.

I heard a rumor from a reputable source that Robert Schneider of the Apples in Stereo is trying to get Jeff Magnum to record again.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

this story makes his recording again seem highly unlikely.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

clearly classic. who else would say the following in a breakup song: "and i don't want to taste of your insides or to call out your name through a phone"

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

I recently saw a very good movie called The Station Agent, and the banjo playing was credited to Julian Koster, who I'm assuming is the very same Julian Koster of NMH fame.

If anyone gets a chance to see the film, it's well worth it for the music alone.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

ned is the antichrist.

I thought you knew that already!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Is the Live at Jittery Joe's album any good? The pitchfork review was kind of mixed.

nickn (nickn), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

it's good. the sound quality isn't the best but the cover of "I Love How You Love Me" is mind-bogglingly good.

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Listening to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea makes me sick to my stomach. Arrrrgh.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 14 June 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Listening to it makes me cry. I love it, but it's too intense for everyday use.

The interview from Creative Loafing, above, is terribly sad. I hope things come together for Jeff.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought that Jittery Joe's CD a couple weeks ago and just listened to it yesterday. It is pretty good, just wish that baby had kept quiet.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 14 June 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

That Creative Loafing piece bothered me. Bands don't owe their fans anything. According to the Creative Loafing writer, NMH made an album that helped him deal with his brother's suicide. And it's still not enough for him! So he decides to harrass Mangum's family. The writer of that piece needs to focus on the music -- the thing that saw him through that period -- and leave the guy behind it (whom he has never met and doesn't know a thing about) alone.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't liked nmh for a long, long time now. just in case you were wondering.

m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

M., come back to the land of Indie! We have chocolate and E!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The Creative Loafing piece bothered me, too, but the notion that bands "don't owe their fans anything" is horseshit - we owe them our skins more often than not

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Bands owe the fans love & respect for supporting past & current works, sure, but do they owe them something new if said band doesn't want to "do that" anymore? ("Do that" = make a new album, stay the course, play old songs in concert, throw raw meat, etc.)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I've seen you debate this point before John and I know where you are coming from. I definitely agree with you when it comes to honesty and respect re and artist & his/her audience. But Mangum isn't promising or expecting anything as far as I can tell.

I find this disturbing:

"In his music, I found both mythological nourishment and a nudge toward hope that some piece of life doesn't perish with the body and the brain.

So, of course, the one album wasn't enough. I wanted more."

And then this sets him off on some kind of "Roger and Me" odyssey to find the man behind the music. The guy nees to read some Thich Nhat Hanh or listen to Pete Townshend's "A Little is Enough".

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post I'm not suggesting that I like the Creative Loafing piece much, 'cause I don't: it'd be one thing if Jeff had been missing for twenty years or something, but shit: he ain't even missing! he just doesn't feel like releasing anything right now. So yeah I find the piece disturbing, I'm just debating an issue raised by it, which is actually one of my hobby horses:

1) "owe them" new work? no, I guess not, but it's pretty unsporting not to make the effort
2) old songs in concert? emphatically yes. "Musician" is a job for which one gets paid. You get hired based on the strength of work you've demonstrated you're capable of doing (i.e., the hits). You ain't gotta play all the hits every time, but fuck a band that thinks people ONLY came to hear the new stuff/whichever way the muse is leading them. People paid to get in. You shouldn't take their money if you're not willing to give them some of what they paid for.
3) throw raw meat? my vegetarian stance on this matter is well known

I'm just so tired of the notion that Artists Must Do What Artists Will Do! The people who suppport artists are as much part of the artist's work as are the growth experiences that the artist brought to the table when he/she had no listeners. I think the debt artists owe their public is routinely undervalued, and that it's artists who've made a point of furthering the notion that "the artist is responsible only to his art," which I think is baloney. If you're only responsible to your art, then keep it to yourself.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
GOD DAMNED STUPID FUCKING DUMBSHIT BASTARD SON OF A BITCH ALBUM I KILL YOU

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

This should a "Defend the Indefensible." Utterly indefensible shit.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

NMH > The Beatles

cdwill, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Total classic.
Took me a couple of listens to really get into, but once I heard it uninterrupted on headphones I had a small epiphany. Incredibly powerful, strange and beautiful. And the bagpipe solo is most triumphant.

Stew (stew s), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I once said on some internet message board that Two-Headed Boy would make me start to tear up often, and someone told me I was not cool.

That said board was called "I Love Music".

PappaWheelie B.C., Monday, 19 September 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Neutral Milk Hotel.

I was all broken hearted about this girl in college and Two-Headed Boy was my mope song of choice.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm Just a Mop(e)s.

The Mops, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Aeroplane : one-off, how-the-hell-did-he-do-that classic

(Btw, Jittery Joe's is a CD-R, I seem to recall. Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally heard In the Aeroplane Over the Sea for the first time a couple of years ago and I have a tape of it that I've listened to a few times. I think there are a couple of songs that are fairly well written, but there are a lot of songs that really aren't. And I find the record very maudlin.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Holland, 1945 and a few other songs on their second album. Otherwise it sounds like Oasis singing folk standards.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to NMH is akin to rubbing one's fingernails on a chalkboard. Of course I guess some may like that sound.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

C L A S S I C

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to NMH is akin to rubbing one's fingernails on a chalkboard. Of course I guess some may like that sound.

It's almost as if we were totally unaware that we have a noize board here at ILX.

PappaWheelie B.C., Monday, 19 September 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Neutral Milk Wolf Hotel

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, he's written some good songs and all, but come on people. Let's not fucking cannonize the guy. It's not like he's Diplo, or Digweed.

The King of Flop Threads, Monday, 19 September 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not like he's that one mc on that run the road 2 comp

gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

classic. im loving olivia tremor control at the moment, too. not sold on apples in stereo, however.

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Jittery Joe's is an official release, not a CD-R.

alan z, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

not sold on apples in stereo, however.

You shouldn't be.

The funny thing about the lyrics for "Two-Headed Boy" is how they might as well be a Smashing Pumpkins song from around 1997 or so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, a big epic Smashing Pumpkins cover of Two Headed Boy would be the bee's knees! I can hear it in my head....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Jittery Joe's is an official release, not a CD-R.

I believe it's an officially released CD-R. Look at the color of its playable side.

M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Search (or download or whatever): Jeff Magnum @ Aquarius Records in SF, 1995 or 1996-ish

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Apples in Stereo's EP collection Science Faire is almost as good as the first OTC and NMH albums. I could see someone hearing other things they've done instead and not regarding AiS as comparable to the other two, though. But back in the olden days of 96-97, the three bands really did seem of a piece.

Oh and Neutral Milk Hotel is totally classic. On Avery Island is one of the best albums of manic folk sincerity genius there is.

Louis Kahn, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

really lousy

jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

The funny thing about the lyrics for "Two-Headed Boy" is how they might as well be a Smashing Pumpkins song from around 1997 or so.

-- Ned Raggett
From you Ned I'm guessing this is a compliment! There is a "Disarm" vibe to that guitar strum, also.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i like the mountain goats version of two headed boy more. it's more spine tingly.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

From you Ned I'm guessing this is a compliment!

It's an observation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

In The Aeroplane Over the Sea was my favorite album for like all of high school.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i ithink i really hate jeff mangum. and i hate that some grieving dude got some shame for crossing the line with this dork. but aeroplane is a pretty good album.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

something tells me that NMH would still be cool if he'd stopped after On Avery Island (which is sooooo much better than Aeroplane)

Aaron A, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

NMH > The Beatles

-- cdwill, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:30 (2 years ago) Link

three handclaps, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link

mm

Surmounter, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost, does it matter?

I know, right?, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean, really?

I know, right?, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

"something tells me that NMH would still be cool if he'd stopped after On Avery Island (which is sooooo much better than Aeroplane)"

"it sounds like Oasis singing folk standards."

psssshhh and pfffft respectively.

circa1916, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

"can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all" -- it doesn't get much headier than that.

McFiend, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, he's written some good songs and all, but come on people. Let's not fucking cannonize the guy. It's not like he's Diplo, or Digweed.

-- The King of Flop Threads, Monday, 19 September 2005 23:26 (2 years ago) Link

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link

wow, this thread has a lot of interesting inputs throughout it

well its just got to be classic. right?
'in an aeroplane...' = totally enthralling. the vocal melody at the two minute mark of the title track gets me every time - strangely melancholic, lyrically obtuse, entirely captivating.
also, he has a hypnotic way of raising his voice to elevate the tension of the music that gives the sparser moments a density and immediacy that you don't come across too often in music. this record holds you and doesn't let you go. perfect fodder, in album format, for the thoughtful person.

i'm pretty happy for him to be canonised. if only because special music is deserving of special attention. and this guy's forever gonna be relegated to the 'acquired taste' basket regardless.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

On Avery Island > Aeroplane

and that said, NMH is classic, but minor not major classic, if i might make the distinction.

stephen, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

whose reunion tour/album will be bigger - MBV or NMH

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link

album: nmh
tour: mbv

wanko ergo sum, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Yesterday was the 10-year anniversary of Aeroplane. Happy belated NMH day!

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 11 February 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I fear I'll never like them as much as I did when I was 15. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.

mehlt, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't believe people's ears or sanities have survived 10 years of Aeroplane's existence.

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

My feelings haven't changed re: the album, btw.

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i agree with curt1s. also i don't like mangum's voice.

electricsound, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://rapspace.tv/files/images/HATERS.preview.jpg

strgn, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i find it hard to believe that nmh featuring in a top 100 was even a surprise back in 2001

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link

NMH's existence obviates the need for a top 100

OR

Jeff Mangum took a time machine back to 2001 and put it on the list

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I still stand by my comments as well.

Cunga, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Like a movie like The Holy Mountain, or Anne Carson's poetry, or any other work so personal and flawless one can only ever really look in on it and wonder, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea has the rare distinction of existing only technically inside commerce, criticism and opinion. You can of course have an opinion about it, but it would be really hard to even approach the intentions that made it, let alone the constantly unraveling impact it has had and continues to have a decade later. I came to understand with the thousands of other people who have been changed by this music, that you could argue to finer points, but the core of what the record meant was perfect, pure and silently understood.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

it's funny how much bile and ire NMH inspire from those who don't like them. i think it has to do with the reverence they are often held in by those who do like them. they do attract the kind of fanatical fervour that can irritate the hell out of me when associated with bands that i like, never mind bands i don't get or can't stand. but at least when i come face to face with that fervour i can relate to my own experience and not get too wound up (unless maybe it's over something really shitty) because i do think that Aeroplane is the best album i've ever heard and i've never tired of listening to it.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I fell in love with the SOUND of the debut LP the moment I heard it, but ended up liking only a couple actual songs. Same is true for Aeroplane, though the songs are better and the overall sound less appealing. At this point, they seem like an okay thing that I don't ever need to hear again. Have to admit that the things like the quote above do drive me a little crazy ("I came to understand with the thousands of other people who have been changed by this music...").

4) "Two-Headed Boy" is a great great great indie rock song, just a great song period; I think if Jeff believed that discipline were a virtue, which he doesn't, he'd be routinely writing some of the great songs of the age.

-- J0hn D.

This I agree with, though I suspect I still wouldn't be a big fan.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Kinda moot given the dropping out forevermore bit.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Like a movie like The Holy Mountain, or Anne Carson's poetry, or any other work so personal and flawless one can only ever really look in on it and wonder, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea has the rare distinction of existing only technically inside commerce, criticism and opinion. You can of course have an opinion about it, but it would be really hard to even approach the intentions that made it, let alone the constantly unraveling impact it has had and continues to have a decade later. I came to understand with the thousands of other people who have been changed by this music, that you could argue to finer points, but the core of what the record meant was perfect, pure and silently understood.

-- St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ YEESH

s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I know, right? It's just a fucking album. Some people like it.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah that is some corny shit.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

"oh by the way, this album is a perfect and immovable object and completely above all criticism, though you can have an opinion if you like."

s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

bad fans /= bad album

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

im not saying that, even though this guy's voice does make me want to jump out the window.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i'm not talking about the album, either

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is like the Ron Paul of albums.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i like this album!! he's a really good melodist. i haven't listened to it in a long time.

that quote is o_O in extremis

gff, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i like both albums a lot

sleep, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I should mention when I was 15, this album made prone to gushing fanaticism a la above quote, and I suppose I am one of those 'thousands of other people whose lives have been changed by it."

I don't know whether I matured out of it, or if the music actually stopped being as good. I suspect the former, with a hint of the latter. I think it's still very good, but I can survive going a year or more at a time without giving too much though to it.

mehlt, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link

It makes sense that people who don't like or don't get Aeroplane would also not like or not get the reactions people have to it. But what can you do.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 03:53 (sixteen years ago) link

do get over yourself goldberg

electricsound, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 03:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe you should get over me.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Hard to get over what never happened.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I never happened? I don't follow. My point was that we were talking about NMH, not about me.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link

i was reacting to your prissy statement upthread. "oh what's to be done about those people who don't get it??"

but anyway, the moment has passed

electricsound, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

RIP, heaven needed, etc.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I said "don't like or don't get." Some people don't get it because it's not the most accessible album, while I allow that other people may get it and still not enjoy it.

But with an album so weird and unfiltered and rapturous, there's a certain barrier to entry. You have to embrace all of that "embarrassing" stuff. If you're not on board with that, it makes sense that you'd see the weird, unfiltered, rapturous reactions to the album in the same cynical way.

Argue with my premise if you want, there's no need to make it personal.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:34 (sixteen years ago) link

i love this album, but i think it could definitely stand to be a bit less embarrassing.

aaron d.g., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I get this album.

W4LTER, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the song about the girl in spain or whatever and a few others, don't think its hard to get, dont think its be all end all, at the time thought it was a better elephant six album and was surprised when all the emo girls put it on in photography class. I guess if I thought melody driven poppy songs with punk/indie recording quality was the best kind of music out there Id think this album was the best ever too

filthy dylan, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuckin fuck. I get the album. I like the album. It's EXTREMELY accessible. I just draw the line at liking it.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link

never got the love. but on avery island is pretty great. i still remember the first time i heard it, and it reminded me a lot of the madcap laughs, in spirit, if not necessarily sonically. and then all sorts of people seemed to find the second one the greatest thing ever and i'd ask what they thought of the first one and most would say they'd never heard it. i always thought that was pretty weird. such is life

kamerad, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Why the fuck do people like this shit. They sound like Cake.

S-, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:31 (sixteen years ago) link

On Avery Island is great

St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I embrace embarrassing stuff in music all the time, but this isn't embarrassing, it's just grating to my ears. Nails on a chalkboard. Makes me physically ill.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm siding with Steve here. Do we always have to look at everything through a lens of cool, critical detachment? Of course everyone's absolutely entitled to say "I prefer their first album" or "there are two or three good songs on Aeroplane, but that's it" - but you then surely need to accept that for a small percentage of the population, this record has an extraordinary, emotional power. Half the time I have no idea what Mangum is really singing about, but when this record catches me at the right time it has the power to reduce me to a quivering wreck and my response to it is one of pure and magical love. Is that "embarrassing"? Not to me.

Emily S., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:56 (sixteen years ago) link

ya i accept it. what do you want me to do about it, never think about this album critically because some people really like it a lot? that's true of a lot of albums! i'm sure people love lionel richie albums as much as you love neutral milk hotel!

s1ocki, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sure they do, too! I'd just humbly suggest that if "this guy's voice makes (you) want to jump out the window", you might perhaps not want to waste your time thinking about the album critically - in the same way that I don't want to waste my time thinking about the album critically because it fills me with a sense of wonder and purity.

Emily S., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

It sounds like campfire songs with Jeff's see-saw voice. I can't get over how much I hate his voice and the vocal rhythm. However, his voice sounds like all the popular indie singers of today and even the nu-rock nasal screaming I hate.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link

sounds like all the popular indie singers of today
Really?

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I love this album to pieces, if anyone doesn't, that's fine. I remember trying to write more about them when it came out, and they came over, and the response from the Melody Maker was that they sounded like the panpipe band in The Fast Show. I sort of understand peoples' ire against those who don't 'get' it, as a result, but it doesn't bother me much. one of the things I love about the record is that its unafraid to be 'embarassing'.

stevie, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I still love In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, but I never thought it was perfect.

I think the opening track, "The King of Carrot Flowers Pt. One," is perfect. The stretch of songs from 6-9, "Holland, 1945," "Communist Daughter," "Oh Comely," and "Ghost" is also pretty awesome.

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

so good

Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link

good yes, overrated also yes

stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

hearing neutral milk hotel at ear-splitting volume was what made me decide never to go back to Soda (the bar) on indie rock night, no matter how good the burger is.

ian, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

fyi

a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link

^^i saw this the other day. i don't know what to make of it, but i laughed

k3vin k., Friday, 10 April 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

the sunn o))) thing totally makes it imo

a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

well that and the fact it is pure lol

a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahahaha

d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

okay wow 1:12-1:14 in that video

mark cl, Friday, 10 April 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Jeff Mangum was on Jeopardy the other day, I wonder if this means there's going to be an NMH reunion.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Friday, 10 April 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
four months pass...

so Jeff Mangum is playing at the September ATP / Portishead I'll Be Your Mirror event in Asbury Park. This'll be his first 'official' performance in over a decade, right?

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieeL9FWURM

got tickets for the boston show

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 26 February 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.southernsouls.ca/jeff-mangum/

^^some good audio from the current tour

really kicking myself for not getting tickets to one of the new england shows. :/ bummed

mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

ty for the link!

markers, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYbmckk9mU

^ shocked how close this sounds to the original!

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Sunday, 21 August 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha i've seen that before

markers, Sunday, 21 August 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.walkingwallofwords.com/

offical website announced today- theyre still working on it by the looks of it

but a holy fudging unreleased stuff boxset! and like loads of other awesome shit blah blah this band is my life.

jumpskins, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

awesome he's wearing a Municipal Waste shirt!

little dog (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

are the unreleased/unfamiliar things here "new" songs or archival? wondered if the guy actually still writes music. he's not playing anything except old stuff at these shows, right?

tylerw, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, what the hell did I just watch?

But I'm gonna run off and put a SUNN 0))) sticker on my amp right now.

For the record, I like both NMH albums and nothing else of Elephant 6. Or the Fiery Furnaces.

Matt M., Friday, 26 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting to see Mr. Mangum is still playing live tracks, disappointed that they're all old stuff.

Matt M., Friday, 26 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Trivia-Woody/218485604853038?v=info

69, Friday, 26 August 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

so here's jeff's whole 'set' (i think) from his appearance at #occupywallst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLm01ruV00

k3vin k., Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz05eq01Gm1rp2lhyo1_500.png

mizzell, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

<3

Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I failed to see Mr Mangum at the just finished ATP.

The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

http://www.lepoissonrouge.com/lpr_events/peoples-bailout/

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

i love this album, but i think it could definitely stand to be a bit less embarrassing.

― aaron d.g., Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:46 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is perfect, hahaha

Clarke B., Friday, 9 November 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/fzdMLQV.png

乒乓, Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:01 (eleven years ago) link

one of ILM's best threads:

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea Poll

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:08 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link

mangum was great last time i saw him. not sure how necessary the band is tbh

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:43 (ten years ago) link

pretty necessary imo

shit tie (Jordan), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link

i'd fucking go that's for sure

akm, Monday, 29 April 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link

neutral milk hotel were fucking awesome when i saw them open for superchunk long long ago.

adam, Monday, 29 April 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link

my gf listens to 'aeroplane' at least once a week but wasn't too excited by the idea of seeing dude solo. we'd both go see the full band though.

shit tie (Jordan), Monday, 29 April 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link

Not much of a "tour." Too bad no Cali dates...

schwantz, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

i wonder if they'll be another album...

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link

picturing a sleazy executive from merge, chomping on a cigar and encouraging them to "go electric," saying it'd be "like sufjan."

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link

Tom Scharpling is already on the hook to direct that very video.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link

Not much of a "tour." Too bad no Cali dates...

― schwantz, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

It's sort of blowing my mind that they're bothering to call this a tour, and that the headlines are going with it.

mox twelve, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 02:54 (ten years ago) link

It's sort of blowing my mind that you guys didn't notice the part that says

Only a handful have been announced so far, but apparently there is "more to come,"

bish don't kmt (some dude), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, my bad. Crossing my fingers...

schwantz, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link

are these tickets going to be really expensive?

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link

probably not if you buy them at face value. i think my mangum solos were 30 bucks apiece or so

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link

pretty stoked for this, was listening to the new a hawk and a hacksaw last week and thinking how unlikely it was i'd get to see that band lineup again, when barnes moved out of town that's when it started to be apparent that this 'break after a year of touring' might turn into something more. nmh plus elf power, 1998 all over again, gonna be fun to see mangum pop up to sing in 'the arrow flies close' again.

balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link

Enormous honking dud.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 05:18 (ten years ago) link

If there's one thing I've learned from the oughts, it's that breaking up / losing your mind / retiring forever at some point is the best thing one can do for one's career.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 07:48 (ten years ago) link

I saw the last ever NMH gig. There were maybe 50 people there. I imagine more people will want to see them this time round.

If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:50 (ten years ago) link

Was that the Camden Underground show? Where they improvised that song in tribute to the sun at the end? One of the best shows I've ever seen.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:15 (ten years ago) link

That was indeed the Underworld. Brilliant gig. I'd loved In the Aeroplane so much I was convinced everyone else in the world must feel the same, so I was genuinely shocked at how sparsely attended it was. I don't remember the improv, just being bowled over by the whole thing - so ramshackle yet hurtling forward without doubt.

If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:06 (ten years ago) link

The ramshackle thing was key - I remember the drummer would tumble into these epic drum rolls, and not be able to roll back into the songs, so he'd just stop playing, listen along for a couple of bars and then jump back in. And they were just so joyous, laughing, drunk, a wonderful mess. I couldn't get the Melody Maker to cover them back in the day, but The Times let me mention them in my roundup of the year, and I wrote something about how they played like a Salvation Army Band after their first taste of the demon booze.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:23 (ten years ago) link

The Maker rejected them because an office wag said they sounded like "the panpipe band off the Fast Show".

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:25 (ten years ago) link

Got Mark B to write about them for me a couple of years ago. I always wanted to get Simon Schama to do something on them - did you know he's a fan?

If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link

Ha! Simon Schama?? Well, the album is steeped in history, I guess...

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:32 (ten years ago) link

Get Bieber to write about them.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:41 (ten years ago) link

my gf listens to 'aeroplane' at least once a week but wasn't too excited by the idea of seeing dude solo. we'd both go see the full band though.

ITAOTS was very ~important~ to me but at the ATP JM curated I was pretty cynical about seeing him play for a variety of reasons, and then when he actually played I was a blubbering hysterical wreck from the first note till the last. Dunno how he did it it was just a bloke with a guitar playing some songs I don't have particularly intense feelings for any more ffs.

the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:51 (ten years ago) link

stalled out on missiontix tryna get a ticket rn...

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link

nvm no one i know got tickets

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link

lol

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link

there are still tickets in columbia mo. for now, at least.

mike a, Friday, 10 May 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link

oops. sold out too. fortunately i got one.

mike a, Friday, 10 May 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRvC0jYOzE

乒乓, Monday, 13 May 2013 12:00 (ten years ago) link

seems like it would be hard to play the ukulele wearing fur gloves. sometimes i feel like my fingers are already too big. kudos to that guy.

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Tickets for the January 2014 D.C. show sold out too quick for me. I tried but couldn't get through. Stubhub already has some-- not sure I want to pay $80 a ticket

curmudgeon, Friday, 2 August 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw them in Jersey City. Thankful there was no gigantic singalong. Such an odd band to become so big.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link

Hey, me too! I was behind the bar loading drinks for the bartenders. Got to watch the show in full afterwards too! Yeah the audience was not as sappy as I'd imagined they'd be.

Evan, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link

i remember a feeling of dread when i checked that indiepop list in the late 90s , that band was "happening" there. i bounced as they say.

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:19 (ten years ago) link

If there's one thing I've learned from the oughts, it's that breaking up / losing your mind / retiring forever at some point is the best thing one can do for one's career.

Don't forget dying, that's still a classic move

L'Haim, to life (St3ve Go1db3rg), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

Friend tweeted from that show "Yes, everyone is old."

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

saw them over the weekend and it was pretty magical. a surprising number of young kids there, who apparently waited out in the cold all day to get up front (which, it turned out, was totally unnecessary since all the olds were happy to hang out in the tiered seating). i was really impressed at how tight they were, the level of musicianship on that stage is super high. i'll bet they're a way better band than they were in the '90s.

JM was rocking a giant grey beard and kept his hat over his eyes the whole time but sounded spot-on.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 10 February 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

"I was really impressed at how tight they were, the level of musicianship on that stage is super high."

Yes! Much more commanding and professional than I was expecting, and I've seen them all perform in other projects over the years.

Evan, Monday, 10 February 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link

the drummer and the multi-instrumentalist (jeremy & julian iirc) are particularly great.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 10 February 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link

Recent DC show sold out fast, but they're coming back to a big shed this summer.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 February 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Saw them last night - echoing the comments above, couldn't believe how well they played. I was pretty dubious about seeing a band that I'd cared so much about in 2000, but it was still amazing.

toby, Thursday, 22 May 2014 09:46 (nine years ago) link

Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3CRVVBL9o
I cried all day long after I saw this music video for the first time.
didn't care for any other songs on this album, haven't heard any of their others.

my playlists cataloging the best songs of each decade http://postmusicindustry.blogspot.com

TabForaCause.com, Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:13 (nine years ago) link

we laughed, we cried, we spammed

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:23 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

i was really impressed at how tight they were

well, if you only write, like, 22 songs over the course of a quarter century, I assume you get those songs down pretty good at some point

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 25 October 2014 23:56 (nine years ago) link

Who wouldn't get off on being revered like a Christ figure? Dude does not need to write another song in his life. ITAOTS is perfect and only gets better.

Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link

huh I could've sworn its stayed p much exactly the same since it was released

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link

its so strange that he doesn't write songs anymore. I figured some new stuff would emerge after the tours he did, but he's still playing all old stuff isnt he?

prince moth mothy moth moth (cajunsunday), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link

that well is drty

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link

also dry

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link

I figured some new stuff would emerge after the tours he did

i could see that making it even harder to write new songs.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

For a Milk Hotel to be Neutral, at a time like this, is unconscionable

— David Spector (@spectordeforce) January 10, 2021

nickn, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link

A funny tweet thread.

nickn, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:28 (three years ago) link


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