― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Yes, they are an E6 band but don't subscribe to the 60s pop aesthic that most (but not all) of the other E6 bands do. Sonically and lyrically they are much more diverse.
― Jeff, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
And I still think "Pinkerton" is a bigger shock, and Weezer just has a higher profile fan base.
― scott p., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Oh and I want Josh to be my friend.
― Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Why am I only posting about retarded music today?
― Otis Wheeler, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― james e l, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― fred solinger, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Speaking of which, _Lateralus_ = wonderfulness.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Classic for the line "I'm tasting Naomi's perfume. It tastes like shit."
― Keiko, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Luís Sousa, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
the new ladybug transistor record is beautiful, strange thing that all of their side projects are absolutely horrid but because gary olson is around on lt records they are great, but then he was a member of the mad scene and maybe some of hamish kilgour's genius rubbed off on him. how pleasing to see the clientele mention the chills as their favourite band, i imagine he was a big fan of the moles as well.
― keith, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Haven't ever made it all the way through 'On Avery Island', but, yes, 'song about sex' is utter greatness. search the charred usk of napster for mangum's take of Spector's 'i love how you love me', too, or any NMH boots you can find. wonderful love band.
― stevie, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ultimately, Neutral Milk Hotel remind me of a Dukes of Stratosphear or _On the Sunday of Life_-era Porcupine Tree that makes a critical mistake -- it takes itself seriously.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― james e l, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
p.s. : they're by far the worst band in elephant 6. much love.
― ethan, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
More to the point -- you've actually got it wrong, James, I didn't hate it with a deep and abiding passion, I more found it pointless. Consider: I *loathe* Rage Against the Machine and always will. Still, I understand why a lot of people really, *really* like them, even if I never will go down that primrose path. I find Neutral Milk Hotel a general nonstarter, vaguely pleasant at best but no more. Hearing them praised to the skies as some sort of revelation, that's what really suprises and riles me, because I just can't see or hear that at all. Substitute in the word "Weezer" for "Neutral Milk Hotel" and you've got two reactions covered.
― james e l, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― stevie, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I also can’t see how the lyrics are hateful, and I don’t think they exist to shock; I think they’re unironic, honest, loving – to the point where that skewed sincerity could be off-putting (and is, obviously). It is a "love it or hate it" album – you connect with it or you don’t, and that, to me, is more time than not a positive. I can see why people would have a strong connection to this record (and many of the other high-ranking selections in the ILM 100 from the Holy Bible to 69LS to Man-Machine) regardless of whether I enjoy them or not.
If I may, about the lyrics: Mangum uses a number of words repeatedly, seemingly in a oblique way (among them: spine, mouth, sweet, cheek, sink, tongue, teeth, face, smile.) Lyrically, the album traces a personal history of pain, loss, and disappointment from an unhappy family life to attempts at comfort through sexual awakening, religious epiphany and a belief in the invincibility of youth to the experience of reading the Diary of Anne Frank and Mangum’s connection to her hope despite inevitable death to the plight of a "Two-Headed Boy" who longs for some sensual, human connection despite his being birthed to a life of almost inevitable loneliness. Throughout, these seemingly unrelated words above are peppered amidst alternating stream-of-consciousness lyrics and very lucid observations about the pain of both Mangum and his characters.
Then, at the end, the final song is about the suicide of a friend, and all of those words are used in context, it’s the moment where Mangum isn’t transferring that fresh pain to memories or moments of hurt that he has had the opportunity to reconcile. And when he pleads, "Push the pieces in place /Make your smile sweet to see /Don't you take this away / I'm still wanting my face on your cheek" it’s almost as if he is pushing all of those scattered lyrical pieces from the previous songs together, allowing himself the chance to grieve for what is causing his hurt, and then it’s too much and he retreats back into character and the album closes with him comforting the two-headed boy as he worries that he’ll never feel true human contact and love, warning him that when and if he does not to lament that it’s ultimately fleeting.
Again, apologies for the length of this.
― scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I've officially even bored myself on this topic.
― Stevie Nixed, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― , Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Josh, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Stevie Nixed, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"Tenk You Veddy Much"
michael g. breece
― michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Josh, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― matt, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Melissa W, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dleone, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1) I think Jeff's a tremendous performer & has a way with a certain kind of melody -- though I think he'd do well to explore some minor keys, occasional seventh-chords, etc
2) I think he's a talented lyricist with a real gift for the rhythms of words within a line
3) I think since he's chosen to make the sort of music that attracts not just fans but people who develop a real emotional attachment to & need for his stuff, he owes them more new material than he seems willing to deliver; I have strong feelings about this as I feel an artist's most important responsibility is to his listeners, and that if you can't write at least five songs a year of you-at-your-best, then you're not trying hard enough
4) "Two-Headed Boy" is a great great great indie rock song, just a great song period; I think if Jeff believed that discipline were a virtue, which he doesn't, he'd be routinely writing some of the great songs of the age
5) Jeff's a prince of a human being, and I don't believe in separating the artist from his output but rather that the one is a reflection of the other: therefore,
CLASSIC
― John Darnielle, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
This probably should be another thread (I think it is already, actually!) -- I don't believe in this myself. Mr. M not being the subject under discussion here, I should note! I haven't ever met the man, so no point in my judging him on this point. But I've meet some friendly, fine folks who make music that Annoys and Outrages Me Deeply and I've encountered some standoffish idjits who Brought the Rock or whatever.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nate-o, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Lately I've been listening to live stuff, the acoustic set from Aquarius, to be exact. Lots of good unreleased stuff--"My Dream Girl Don't Exist" ; "Oh, Sister" ; "Rubby Bulbs". The demos are decent as well; some more than others. The tape collage stuff is kind of blah, and the noisy jokey stuff ("Chocolate Coffin"?!?! wtf?!?!) is pretty bad. But then you get grebt unreleased tracks like "Circle of Friends," "Wishful Eyes" and "Wood Guitar."
Right now I'm looking for other live stuff (the show with "Ferris Wheel on Fire" ; is that the one from the Cat's Cradle?) and the "Invent Yrself A Shortcake" demo, which I had aeons ago but somehow lost. slsk doesn't work in my dorm, so I can't get things that way--alas.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link
― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link
I don't really know why I like NMH, or why I like his voice. It doesn't seem like it should be all that affecting to me, but it is-- at least the songs I've heard so far. I relate to what seems to be an elaborate personal mythology running through the songs, and like how he uses language.
― Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link
"...laughing at everyone I see / can't believe / how strange it is to be / anything at all...."
I don't know why that line resonates so strongly with me, but it really, really does.
So, classic.
I heard a rumor from a reputable source that Robert Schneider of the Apples in Stereo is trying to get Jeff Magnum to record again.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
If anyone gets a chance to see the film, it's well worth it for the music alone.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link
I thought you knew that already!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link
― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 14 June 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link
The interview from Creative Loafing, above, is terribly sad. I hope things come together for Jeff.
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― nickn (nickn), Monday, 14 June 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― m. (mitchlnw), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link
I find this disturbing:
"In his music, I found both mythological nourishment and a nudge toward hope that some piece of life doesn't perish with the body and the brain.
So, of course, the one album wasn't enough. I wanted more."
And then this sets him off on some kind of "Roger and Me" odyssey to find the man behind the music. The guy nees to read some Thich Nhat Hanh or listen to Pete Townshend's "A Little is Enough".
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link
1) "owe them" new work? no, I guess not, but it's pretty unsporting not to make the effort2) old songs in concert? emphatically yes. "Musician" is a job for which one gets paid. You get hired based on the strength of work you've demonstrated you're capable of doing (i.e., the hits). You ain't gotta play all the hits every time, but fuck a band that thinks people ONLY came to hear the new stuff/whichever way the muse is leading them. People paid to get in. You shouldn't take their money if you're not willing to give them some of what they paid for.3) throw raw meat? my vegetarian stance on this matter is well known
I'm just so tired of the notion that Artists Must Do What Artists Will Do! The people who suppport artists are as much part of the artist's work as are the growth experiences that the artist brought to the table when he/she had no listeners. I think the debt artists owe their public is routinely undervalued, and that it's artists who've made a point of furthering the notion that "the artist is responsible only to his art," which I think is baloney. If you're only responsible to your art, then keep it to yourself.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― cdwill, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stew (stew s), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
That said board was called "I Love Music".
― PappaWheelie B.C., Monday, 19 September 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link
I was all broken hearted about this girl in college and Two-Headed Boy was my mope song of choice.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Mops, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
(Btw, Jittery Joe's is a CD-R, I seem to recall. Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
It's almost as if we were totally unaware that we have a noize board here at ILX.
― PappaWheelie B.C., Monday, 19 September 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― The King of Flop Threads, Monday, 19 September 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― alan z, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link
You shouldn't be.
The funny thing about the lyrics for "Two-Headed Boy" is how they might as well be a Smashing Pumpkins song from around 1997 or so.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link
I believe it's an officially released CD-R. Look at the color of its playable side.
― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh and Neutral Milk Hotel is totally classic. On Avery Island is one of the best albums of manic folk sincerity genius there is.
― Louis Kahn, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Ned RaggettFrom you Ned I'm guessing this is a compliment! There is a "Disarm" vibe to that guitar strum, also.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link
It's an observation.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Aaron A, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
NMH > The Beatles
-- cdwill, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:30 (2 years ago) Link
― three handclaps, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
mm
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost, does it matter?
― I know, right?, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, really?
"something tells me that NMH would still be cool if he'd stopped after On Avery Island (which is sooooo much better than Aeroplane)"
"it sounds like Oasis singing folk standards."
psssshhh and pfffft respectively.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
"can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all" -- it doesn't get much headier than that.
― McFiend, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, he's written some good songs and all, but come on people. Let's not fucking cannonize the guy. It's not like he's Diplo, or Digweed.
-- The King of Flop Threads, Monday, 19 September 2005 23:26 (2 years ago) Link
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link
wow, this thread has a lot of interesting inputs throughout it
well its just got to be classic. right? 'in an aeroplane...' = totally enthralling. the vocal melody at the two minute mark of the title track gets me every time - strangely melancholic, lyrically obtuse, entirely captivating. also, he has a hypnotic way of raising his voice to elevate the tension of the music that gives the sparser moments a density and immediacy that you don't come across too often in music. this record holds you and doesn't let you go. perfect fodder, in album format, for the thoughtful person.
i'm pretty happy for him to be canonised. if only because special music is deserving of special attention. and this guy's forever gonna be relegated to the 'acquired taste' basket regardless.
― Charlie Howard, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
On Avery Island > Aeroplane
and that said, NMH is classic, but minor not major classic, if i might make the distinction.
― stephen, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link
whose reunion tour/album will be bigger - MBV or NMH
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
album: nmh tour: mbv
― wanko ergo sum, Friday, 30 November 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Yesterday was the 10-year anniversary of Aeroplane. Happy belated NMH day!
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 11 February 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I fear I'll never like them as much as I did when I was 15. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.
― mehlt, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't believe people's ears or sanities have survived 10 years of Aeroplane's existence.
― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link
My feelings haven't changed re: the album, btw.
i agree with curt1s. also i don't like mangum's voice.
― electricsound, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link
http://rapspace.tv/files/images/HATERS.preview.jpg
― strgn, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i find it hard to believe that nmh featuring in a top 100 was even a surprise back in 2001
― Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link
NMH's existence obviates the need for a top 100
OR
Jeff Mangum took a time machine back to 2001 and put it on the list
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I still stand by my comments as well.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Like a movie like The Holy Mountain, or Anne Carson's poetry, or any other work so personal and flawless one can only ever really look in on it and wonder, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea has the rare distinction of existing only technically inside commerce, criticism and opinion. You can of course have an opinion about it, but it would be really hard to even approach the intentions that made it, let alone the constantly unraveling impact it has had and continues to have a decade later. I came to understand with the thousands of other people who have been changed by this music, that you could argue to finer points, but the core of what the record meant was perfect, pure and silently understood.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
it's funny how much bile and ire NMH inspire from those who don't like them. i think it has to do with the reverence they are often held in by those who do like them. they do attract the kind of fanatical fervour that can irritate the hell out of me when associated with bands that i like, never mind bands i don't get or can't stand. but at least when i come face to face with that fervour i can relate to my own experience and not get too wound up (unless maybe it's over something really shitty) because i do think that Aeroplane is the best album i've ever heard and i've never tired of listening to it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I fell in love with the SOUND of the debut LP the moment I heard it, but ended up liking only a couple actual songs. Same is true for Aeroplane, though the songs are better and the overall sound less appealing. At this point, they seem like an okay thing that I don't ever need to hear again. Have to admit that the things like the quote above do drive me a little crazy ("I came to understand with the thousands of other people who have been changed by this music...").
4) "Two-Headed Boy" is a great great great indie rock song, just a great song period; I think if Jeff believed that discipline were a virtue, which he doesn't, he'd be routinely writing some of the great songs of the age.
-- J0hn D.
This I agree with, though I suspect I still wouldn't be a big fan.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Kinda moot given the dropping out forevermore bit.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
-- St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
^^^ YEESH
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I know, right? It's just a fucking album. Some people like it.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah that is some corny shit.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link
"oh by the way, this album is a perfect and immovable object and completely above all criticism, though you can have an opinion if you like."
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
bad fans /= bad album
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link
im not saying that, even though this guy's voice does make me want to jump out the window.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i'm not talking about the album, either
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is like the Ron Paul of albums.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i like this album!! he's a really good melodist. i haven't listened to it in a long time.
that quote is o_O in extremis
― gff, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i like both albums a lot
― sleep, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I should mention when I was 15, this album made prone to gushing fanaticism a la above quote, and I suppose I am one of those 'thousands of other people whose lives have been changed by it."
I don't know whether I matured out of it, or if the music actually stopped being as good. I suspect the former, with a hint of the latter. I think it's still very good, but I can survive going a year or more at a time without giving too much though to it.
― mehlt, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
It makes sense that people who don't like or don't get Aeroplane would also not like or not get the reactions people have to it. But what can you do.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 03:53 (sixteen years ago) link
do get over yourself goldberg
― electricsound, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 03:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe you should get over me.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Hard to get over what never happened.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I never happened? I don't follow. My point was that we were talking about NMH, not about me.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
i was reacting to your prissy statement upthread. "oh what's to be done about those people who don't get it??"
but anyway, the moment has passed
― electricsound, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
RIP, heaven needed, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I said "don't like or don't get." Some people don't get it because it's not the most accessible album, while I allow that other people may get it and still not enjoy it.
But with an album so weird and unfiltered and rapturous, there's a certain barrier to entry. You have to embrace all of that "embarrassing" stuff. If you're not on board with that, it makes sense that you'd see the weird, unfiltered, rapturous reactions to the album in the same cynical way.
Argue with my premise if you want, there's no need to make it personal.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i love this album, but i think it could definitely stand to be a bit less embarrassing.
― aaron d.g., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I get this album.
― W4LTER, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I like the song about the girl in spain or whatever and a few others, don't think its hard to get, dont think its be all end all, at the time thought it was a better elephant six album and was surprised when all the emo girls put it on in photography class. I guess if I thought melody driven poppy songs with punk/indie recording quality was the best kind of music out there Id think this album was the best ever too
― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Fuckin fuck. I get the album. I like the album. It's EXTREMELY accessible. I just draw the line at liking it.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link
never got the love. but on avery island is pretty great. i still remember the first time i heard it, and it reminded me a lot of the madcap laughs, in spirit, if not necessarily sonically. and then all sorts of people seemed to find the second one the greatest thing ever and i'd ask what they thought of the first one and most would say they'd never heard it. i always thought that was pretty weird. such is life
― kamerad, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Why the fuck do people like this shit. They sound like Cake.
― S-, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:31 (sixteen years ago) link
On Avery Island is great
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I embrace embarrassing stuff in music all the time, but this isn't embarrassing, it's just grating to my ears. Nails on a chalkboard. Makes me physically ill.
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm siding with Steve here. Do we always have to look at everything through a lens of cool, critical detachment? Of course everyone's absolutely entitled to say "I prefer their first album" or "there are two or three good songs on Aeroplane, but that's it" - but you then surely need to accept that for a small percentage of the population, this record has an extraordinary, emotional power. Half the time I have no idea what Mangum is really singing about, but when this record catches me at the right time it has the power to reduce me to a quivering wreck and my response to it is one of pure and magical love. Is that "embarrassing"? Not to me.
― Emily S., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 07:56 (sixteen years ago) link
ya i accept it. what do you want me to do about it, never think about this album critically because some people really like it a lot? that's true of a lot of albums! i'm sure people love lionel richie albums as much as you love neutral milk hotel!
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm sure they do, too! I'd just humbly suggest that if "this guy's voice makes (you) want to jump out the window", you might perhaps not want to waste your time thinking about the album critically - in the same way that I don't want to waste my time thinking about the album critically because it fills me with a sense of wonder and purity.
― Emily S., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link
It sounds like campfire songs with Jeff's see-saw voice. I can't get over how much I hate his voice and the vocal rhythm. However, his voice sounds like all the popular indie singers of today and even the nu-rock nasal screaming I hate.
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link
sounds like all the popular indie singers of today Really?
― RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I love this album to pieces, if anyone doesn't, that's fine. I remember trying to write more about them when it came out, and they came over, and the response from the Melody Maker was that they sounded like the panpipe band in The Fast Show. I sort of understand peoples' ire against those who don't 'get' it, as a result, but it doesn't bother me much. one of the things I love about the record is that its unafraid to be 'embarassing'.
― stevie, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I still love In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, but I never thought it was perfect.
I think the opening track, "The King of Carrot Flowers Pt. One," is perfect. The stretch of songs from 6-9, "Holland, 1945," "Communist Daughter," "Oh Comely," and "Ghost" is also pretty awesome.
― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link
so good
― Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
good yes, overrated also yes
― stephen, Thursday, 8 May 2008 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
hearing neutral milk hotel at ear-splitting volume was what made me decide never to go back to Soda (the bar) on indie rock night, no matter how good the burger is.
― ian, Thursday, 8 May 2008 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://images.emusic.com/music/images/album/284/114/070/11407007/600x600.jpg
― abanana, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link
fyi
― a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
^^i saw this the other day. i don't know what to make of it, but i laughed
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 April 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
the sunn o))) thing totally makes it imo
― a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
well that and the fact it is pure lol
― a steak of romanticism (country matters), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
hahahahaha
― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
okay wow 1:12-1:14 in that video
― mark cl, Friday, 10 April 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Jeff Mangum was on Jeopardy the other day, I wonder if this means there's going to be an NMH reunion.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Friday, 10 April 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
http://9001chan.org/mus/220/Courage-Wolf-hate-her-when-she-gets-up-to-leave-then-devour-her-with-your-two-heads.jpg
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
so Jeff Mangum is playing at the September ATP / Portishead I'll Be Your Mirror event in Asbury Park. This'll be his first 'official' performance in over a decade, right?
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieeL9FWURM
got tickets for the boston show
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 26 February 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.southernsouls.ca/jeff-mangum/
^^some good audio from the current tour
really kicking myself for not getting tickets to one of the new england shows. :/ bummed
― mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
ty for the link!
― markers, Sunday, 21 August 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYbmckk9mU
^ shocked how close this sounds to the original!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Sunday, 21 August 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha i've seen that before
― markers, Sunday, 21 August 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.walkingwallofwords.com/
offical website announced today- theyre still working on it by the looks of it
but a holy fudging unreleased stuff boxset! and like loads of other awesome shit blah blah this band is my life.
― jumpskins, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
awesome he's wearing a Municipal Waste shirt!
― little dog (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
are the unreleased/unfamiliar things here "new" songs or archival? wondered if the guy actually still writes music. he's not playing anything except old stuff at these shows, right?
― tylerw, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, what the hell did I just watch?
But I'm gonna run off and put a SUNN 0))) sticker on my amp right now.
For the record, I like both NMH albums and nothing else of Elephant 6. Or the Fiery Furnaces.
― Matt M., Friday, 26 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting to see Mr. Mangum is still playing live tracks, disappointed that they're all old stuff.
― Matt M., Friday, 26 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Trivia-Woody/218485604853038?v=info
― 69, Friday, 26 August 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
so here's jeff's whole 'set' (i think) from his appearance at #occupywallst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLm01ruV00
― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz05eq01Gm1rp2lhyo1_500.png
― mizzell, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
<3
― Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvb5nmmx714&context=C34b6f99ADOEgsToPDskJ-PzjSA9vjwPaNAnZzdfB0
― Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
I failed to see Mr Mangum at the just finished ATP.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.lepoissonrouge.com/lpr_events/peoples-bailout/
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
― aaron d.g., Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:46 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is perfect, hahaha
― Clarke B., Friday, 9 November 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fzdMLQV.png
― 乒乓, Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
one of ILM's best threads:
In the Aeroplane Over the Sea Poll
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2013 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
Back!
http://pitchfork.com/news/47783-neutral-milk-hotel-reunite-for-tour/
― Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 April 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
mangum was great last time i saw him. not sure how necessary the band is tbh
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:43 (ten years ago) link
pretty necessary imo
― shit tie (Jordan), Monday, 29 April 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link
i'd fucking go that's for sure
― akm, Monday, 29 April 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link
neutral milk hotel were fucking awesome when i saw them open for superchunk long long ago.
― adam, Monday, 29 April 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link
my gf listens to 'aeroplane' at least once a week but wasn't too excited by the idea of seeing dude solo. we'd both go see the full band though.
― shit tie (Jordan), Monday, 29 April 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
Not much of a "tour." Too bad no Cali dates...
― schwantz, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if they'll be another album...
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
picturing a sleazy executive from merge, chomping on a cigar and encouraging them to "go electric," saying it'd be "like sufjan."
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
Tom Scharpling is already on the hook to direct that very video.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
― schwantz, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:07 (Yesterday) Permalink
It's sort of blowing my mind that they're bothering to call this a tour, and that the headlines are going with it.
― mox twelve, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 02:54 (ten years ago) link
It's sort of blowing my mind that you guys didn't notice the part that says
Only a handful have been announced so far, but apparently there is "more to come,"
― bish don't kmt (some dude), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, my bad. Crossing my fingers...
― schwantz, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link
are these tickets going to be really expensive?
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
probably not if you buy them at face value. i think my mangum solos were 30 bucks apiece or so
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link
pretty stoked for this, was listening to the new a hawk and a hacksaw last week and thinking how unlikely it was i'd get to see that band lineup again, when barnes moved out of town that's when it started to be apparent that this 'break after a year of touring' might turn into something more. nmh plus elf power, 1998 all over again, gonna be fun to see mangum pop up to sing in 'the arrow flies close' again.
― balls, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
Enormous honking dud.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 05:18 (ten years ago) link
If there's one thing I've learned from the oughts, it's that breaking up / losing your mind / retiring forever at some point is the best thing one can do for one's career.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 07:48 (ten years ago) link
I saw the last ever NMH gig. There were maybe 50 people there. I imagine more people will want to see them this time round.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:50 (ten years ago) link
Was that the Camden Underground show? Where they improvised that song in tribute to the sun at the end? One of the best shows I've ever seen.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:15 (ten years ago) link
That was indeed the Underworld. Brilliant gig. I'd loved In the Aeroplane so much I was convinced everyone else in the world must feel the same, so I was genuinely shocked at how sparsely attended it was. I don't remember the improv, just being bowled over by the whole thing - so ramshackle yet hurtling forward without doubt.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:06 (ten years ago) link
The ramshackle thing was key - I remember the drummer would tumble into these epic drum rolls, and not be able to roll back into the songs, so he'd just stop playing, listen along for a couple of bars and then jump back in. And they were just so joyous, laughing, drunk, a wonderful mess. I couldn't get the Melody Maker to cover them back in the day, but The Times let me mention them in my roundup of the year, and I wrote something about how they played like a Salvation Army Band after their first taste of the demon booze.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:23 (ten years ago) link
The Maker rejected them because an office wag said they sounded like "the panpipe band off the Fast Show".
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:25 (ten years ago) link
Got Mark B to write about them for me a couple of years ago. I always wanted to get Simon Schama to do something on them - did you know he's a fan?
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link
Ha! Simon Schama?? Well, the album is steeped in history, I guess...
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:32 (ten years ago) link
Get Bieber to write about them.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:41 (ten years ago) link
ITAOTS was very ~important~ to me but at the ATP JM curated I was pretty cynical about seeing him play for a variety of reasons, and then when he actually played I was a blubbering hysterical wreck from the first note till the last. Dunno how he did it it was just a bloke with a guitar playing some songs I don't have particularly intense feelings for any more ffs.
― the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:51 (ten years ago) link
stalled out on missiontix tryna get a ticket rn...
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
nvm no one i know got tickets
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
lol
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 10 May 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
there are still tickets in columbia mo. for now, at least.
― mike a, Friday, 10 May 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
oops. sold out too. fortunately i got one.
― mike a, Friday, 10 May 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRvC0jYOzE
― 乒乓, Monday, 13 May 2013 12:00 (ten years ago) link
seems like it would be hard to play the ukulele wearing fur gloves. sometimes i feel like my fingers are already too big. kudos to that guy.
― Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link
Tickets for the January 2014 D.C. show sold out too quick for me. I tried but couldn't get through. Stubhub already has some-- not sure I want to pay $80 a ticket
― curmudgeon, Friday, 2 August 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Just saw them in Jersey City. Thankful there was no gigantic singalong. Such an odd band to become so big.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link
Hey, me too! I was behind the bar loading drinks for the bartenders. Got to watch the show in full afterwards too! Yeah the audience was not as sappy as I'd imagined they'd be.
― Evan, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
i remember a feeling of dread when i checked that indiepop list in the late 90s , that band was "happening" there. i bounced as they say.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:19 (ten years ago) link
Don't forget dying, that's still a classic move
― L'Haim, to life (St3ve Go1db3rg), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
Friend tweeted from that show "Yes, everyone is old."
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
saw them over the weekend and it was pretty magical. a surprising number of young kids there, who apparently waited out in the cold all day to get up front (which, it turned out, was totally unnecessary since all the olds were happy to hang out in the tiered seating). i was really impressed at how tight they were, the level of musicianship on that stage is super high. i'll bet they're a way better band than they were in the '90s.
JM was rocking a giant grey beard and kept his hat over his eyes the whole time but sounded spot-on.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 10 February 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
"I was really impressed at how tight they were, the level of musicianship on that stage is super high."
Yes! Much more commanding and professional than I was expecting, and I've seen them all perform in other projects over the years.
― Evan, Monday, 10 February 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
the drummer and the multi-instrumentalist (jeremy & julian iirc) are particularly great.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 10 February 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Recent DC show sold out fast, but they're coming back to a big shed this summer.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 February 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
Saw them last night - echoing the comments above, couldn't believe how well they played. I was pretty dubious about seeing a band that I'd cared so much about in 2000, but it was still amazing.
― toby, Thursday, 22 May 2014 09:46 (nine years ago) link
Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Seahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3CRVVBL9oI cried all day long after I saw this music video for the first time.didn't care for any other songs on this album, haven't heard any of their others.
my playlists cataloging the best songs of each decade http://postmusicindustry.blogspot.com
― TabForaCause.com, Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:13 (nine years ago) link
we laughed, we cried, we spammed
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:23 (nine years ago) link
http://the-toast.net/2014/10/22/songs-neutral-milk-hotel-album-reference-holocaust/
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Saturday, 25 October 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
i was really impressed at how tight they were
well, if you only write, like, 22 songs over the course of a quarter century, I assume you get those songs down pretty good at some point
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 25 October 2014 23:56 (nine years ago) link
Who wouldn't get off on being revered like a Christ figure? Dude does not need to write another song in his life. ITAOTS is perfect and only gets better.
― Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
huh I could've sworn its stayed p much exactly the same since it was released
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
its so strange that he doesn't write songs anymore. I figured some new stuff would emerge after the tours he did, but he's still playing all old stuff isnt he?
― prince moth mothy moth moth (cajunsunday), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
that well is drty
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
also dry
I figured some new stuff would emerge after the tours he did
i could see that making it even harder to write new songs.
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
For a Milk Hotel to be Neutral, at a time like this, is unconscionable— David Spector (@spectordeforce) January 10, 2021
― nickn, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
A funny tweet thread.
― nickn, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:28 (three years ago) link