Richard Dawson (raucous experimental UK folk racket w/ intense picaresque realness vox)

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'Nothing Important', both the song and the album.

This is some of the best music I've heard in ages, I think. Four songs and with them - with TWO of them - he's become one of my favourite British artists. A certain chap agrees:

Marcello Carlin @marcellocarlin · Oct 16
By the way, “Nothing Important” by @richarddawson12 is the most striking and stunning piece of music I've heard this year. Album out Nov 3.

https://soundcloud.com/weirdworldrecordco/richard-dawson-nothing-important/s-OiEAn

^the title-track - there's another one called The Vile Stuff that's pretty much just as good - there's an 11-minute video version on Youtube and the full 16-minute version elsewhere.

Apparently an incredible live perfomer as well:

No, but seriously: my friend played me 'Poor Old Horse' when I went home for christmas last year, but he did the thing he always does and made the preamble so amazing that nothing can ever live up to it. So I spent the year thinking Dawson was good but not as amazing as he was made out to be... until I saw him live. When I was super pissed off with my tent probably having been blown away by horrible winds and worried about everything... and Dawson really *was* as good as the preamble. Pulling up this intense voice, hitting himself to make it come out, screaming and yelping... he is genuinely so so good.

― emil.y, Monday, November 17, 2014 1:03 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fully expect ILM to get behind this guy

imago, Monday, 17 November 2014 20:33 (four years ago) link

ah you started this while I was in rolling time travel, also everyone likes a guy who posts his posts to multiple threads

Richard Dawson is p much one of my favourite working musical entities in the world and has been for the last 18-24 months maybe. he is also a v nice person ime. really glad he is getting more and more opportunities to do his thing in front of more people.

if you happen to see a review of his new album as published by a weekly UK music paper of note, please don't bother reading it as it's been edited to make its writer sound lukewarm on the album, and intimidated by its scary weirdness. FUCK EDITORS

― proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Monday, November 17, 2014 8:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:39 (four years ago) link

Really hope this takes off completely. Not sure how. If tedious worthy dreck like Young Fathers is winning the Mercury, what chance does Dawson have, eh?

Anyway, this isn't about him taking off, this is about how his music is fucking astonishing & his personality one of the most performatively engaging I've heard on record

imago, Monday, 17 November 2014 20:48 (four years ago) link

Not seen him live, but the record is extraordinary. In all sorts of ways: people who like it will really, really, really like it; those who don't will simply be unable to make any sense of it, and I'm not yet sure which camp I fall into. It sounds like a stream of consciousness, both musically and lyrically. In many ways its a truer and more difficult form of alternative/outsider music than any noise or deliberately anti-melody record, because there are tunes and melodies here, they just seem all wrong - the notes, the chords, the progressions all seem wrong. Like a folk Beefheart.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:56 (four years ago) link

I've definitely mentioned him on here a few times as well. Seen him probably about half a dozen times in the last 3 or 4 years, I think the first time was just as The Magic Bridge came out and he's never been less than brilliant. From the visceral impact of Poor Old Horse the first time I saw him, to the pouring out of his heart in Wooden Bag, to co-opting folk standards like The Brisk Lad, to the sinister tragedy espoused in Ghost Of A Tree - which could also live on the creepy british tv thread in tone - I've always been rapt.

I wrote about Nothing Important on FB but can't find my post. I'll repeat what I said there though - The Vile Stuff is the distillation of his career to date and if he never does anything again that song will be enough.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:29 (four years ago) link

let's post it here, in fact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVlNt6DAxY

imago, Monday, 17 November 2014 21:32 (four years ago) link

2:40 into "Nothing Important" and this is very easily going into the "I don't get it" file

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:38 (four years ago) link

"The Vile Stuff" is completely obsessing me right now. Probably my favourite track of the year. (Evidently based in truth, as his teacher left a comment on his FB:

"Ha ha. I remember that trip to featherstone castle one of the highlights of my teaching career"

Also heard very good things about him as a live performer, from a trusted source. Hell, even his collages are good: http://www.richarddawson.net/collages.html

mike t-diva, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:51 (four years ago) link

I'm interested

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:20 (four years ago) link

i've liked some of this guy;s stuff but i'm getting an icky jam-band feeling from that last youtube

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:51 (four years ago) link

how many minutes did you listen for

after 2 or 3 minutes the vocals come in and it's completely gripping, imo

imago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:00 (four years ago) link

i listened to the whole thing!

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:13 (four years ago) link

I think this would probably appeal to folks who dig the Incredible String Band. I'm more on the Holy Modal Rounders' team, myself.

rushomancy, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:32 (four years ago) link

I can see tracks like Judas Iscariot and all the instrumental pieces on The Glass Trunk appealing to Derek Bailey fans. John Fahey fans might get a lot out of this too.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:37 (four years ago) link

Judas Iscariot is like a more deliberate Bill Orcutt

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:49 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I can see that.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:58 (four years ago) link

Dammmm, just listened to Nothing Important on Spotify: "Judas Iscariot" an instrumental,justifies the Fahey and Derek Bailey comparisons right away, unselfconsciously; title track's vocals vulnerable, idealistic, tenacious, suggesting Robert Wyatt and Roy Harper; "The Vile Stuff" is a mighty tag-magnet for all of the above and RIYL ISB, the groove of solo Wino, Dredd Foole, and maybe Jandek (though I'm not a J-man fan). This track is or surely should be the one to get him on campus etc. radio. "Doubting Thomas" instrumental perfectly folds into its four minutes plus. The words haven't all registered yet, but I like the ones that have. Thanks ILM!

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:17 (four years ago) link

Seems that this all comes from his own youngblood experiences (incl. listening to his records and himself), more than wearing influences on his sleeve. Though still working on his own unmistakable sound, own voice, as writers say.

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:21 (four years ago) link

It sounds like a stream of consciousness, both musically and lyrically. In many ways its a truer and more difficult form of alternative/outsider music than any noise or deliberately anti-melody record, because there are tunes and melodies here, they just seem all wrong - the notes, the chords, the progressions all seem wrong. Like a folk Beefheart.

Description sounds like Kevin Coyne, in KC's more out there moments. But he doesn't sound like Kevin Coyne, more like Roy Harper gone weird.

Euripides' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:37 (four years ago) link

Yeah, Coyne and Beefheart are in the same associative family tree, but actual sound closer to young Harper.

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:50 (four years ago) link

Seriously one of the year's best records

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:52 (four years ago) link

i liked the first track on glass trunk with the letter so much but have cooled on him since then

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:39 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah this is pretty cool. Like the guitar playing a lot.

grandavis, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:21 (four years ago) link

listening judas iscariot right now

good, but as a couple others pointed out VERY bill orcutt almost to the point of distraction for me sometimes

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:39 (four years ago) link

I'm liking "Nothing Important" quite a bit.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:42 (four years ago) link

huh ok now the next song is L@@K RARE OOP PRIVATE PRESS UK PROGRESSIVE WITCH FOLK VG++ ONLY 200 COPIES WERE PRESSED

this song is awesome

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:43 (four years ago) link

also the first song was good, i shouldn't be backhanded, it was more "put together" than orcutt usually is and it's not like recalling bill orcutt is an easy task either way

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:44 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Richard Dawson 'The Vile Stuff' (Karen Gwyer Remix)

Listen to Karen Gwyer's hypnotic version of the song https://soundcloud.com/weirdworldrecordco/richard-dawson-the-vile-stuff-karen-gwyer-remix

"Nothing Important is driven by an ongoing conflict between entropic impulsiveness and an almost classical sense of beauty and order...Dawson's most ambitious and affecting composition to date." 7.8 - Pitchfork

"The 33-year-old Newcastle avant-troubadour has made one of the most unique singer-songwriter records in recent memory with the abrasive, vivid Nothing Important.” - Rolling Stone

The sinister lament that is ‘The Vile Stuff’ shows Dawson as a master of the minutiae of British storytelling as he charts the downfall of a group of students on a school trip, “downing Asda’s own-brand stubbies in the lad’s bogs” before succumbing to all sorts of transgression and calamity – fracturing skulls and cheekbones, stabbing screwdrivers through their hands and hopping into bed with their teachers. It’s a song as surreal as it is strangely relatable in its pitch-black humour and effortless conjuring of grizzly adolescent fantasy.

In her remix, Gwyer takes the song's ominous instrumental loop and tones it up into a muscular, sinister alien-club track reminiscent of her releases for No Pain In Pop.

Read a recent interview with Richard Dawson via BOMB Magazine (conversation w Cian Nugent):http://bombmagazine.org/article/2000044/richard-dawson/

dow, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 23:46 (four years ago) link

That's from dominorecordco.com, so's this

http://i2.cmail1.com/ei/d/36/889/699/csimport/RichardDawson-CROPPEDFORPR.151153.jpeg

dow, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 23:49 (four years ago) link

oh my fucking god this remix

imago, Friday, 5 December 2014 00:36 (four years ago) link

just found myself listening to this dude earlier today cuz he is supporting the ex next week. definitely pro him

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:37 (four years ago) link

listened to him for the first time yesterday, siked to have a new person to listen to whose work I think is amazing

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:07 (four years ago) link

to me, this has some similarities to akron/family back in the day when they were really on top of what I believed to be an extremely compelling sound

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:09 (four years ago) link

listening to the back half of nothing important and oh man this guy

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:50 (four years ago) link

maybe I need to go to both days of the the ex thing

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:50 (four years ago) link

aah, i used to kind of know this guy from when he worked at alt vinyl in newcastle years ago, pleased to see him making a name for himself (or is it just on ilm . i saw him play loads of times about 5 or 6 years ago and he was always great but never got round to hearing any of his albums somehow (will rectify this). i remember being being quite taken aback when i first heard him singing, him being such a mild mannered, softly spoken chap.

Benny B, Friday, 5 December 2014 23:31 (four years ago) link

i`ll admit my memories of that time in the north east are getting pretty hazy, but i remember wondering at the time htf maximo park and the futureheads blew up when field music and richard dawson were sooo much better

Benny B, Friday, 5 December 2014 23:37 (four years ago) link

gosh how did a band whose calling card was a novelty 80s cover make a deeper impression on the public than this guy with his sixteen minute song about school kids getting drunk on 4x and stabbing themselves with screwdrivers

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 6 December 2014 09:16 (four years ago) link

ha! well it was back when i actually gave a fuck about such things.

Benny B, Saturday, 6 December 2014 10:31 (four years ago) link

five or six years ago RD's music was much more quote-unquote accessible straight-bat folk-rock kinda stuff; afaik no-one took much notice until he started to get ~weird~

proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 6 December 2014 11:21 (four years ago) link

So what a couple of bits I've heard reminds me of (so far) is some Harsh 70s..-era Dead C 'heavy' strumming. After five mins I can't be arsed.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:26 (four years ago) link

I dreamt about Richard Dawson last night.

In the dream the mainstream had decided to try and co-opt him and so he had been invited on TV wanker-fest Sunday Brunch with Tim Lovejoy and The Other One. It was a special summer edition which was outside and the invited "too old for Hoxton but we're going to pretend anyway" middle class twunt target market were having a picnic. To try and make him more palatable they had given him a completely inappropriate backing band and they started a version of The Brisk Lad that sounded a bit like Take That. Richard tried to destabilise things by picking up a saxophone (which he clearly couldn't play) and tunelessly honking over them after the first verse. The producers responded by turning up the backing to try and restore order. Richard then walked off the stage in amongst the picnickers and started ad-lining verses, but when he said he would split the stolen sheep "from maw to cunt" it got a bit much for the producers and it went to a black screen.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Sunday, 7 December 2014 11:32 (four years ago) link

:D

someone not on phone pls repost to striking imagery thread asap

imago, Sunday, 7 December 2014 12:30 (four years ago) link

That should have been "ad-libbing" near the end, but autocorrect obvs.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Sunday, 7 December 2014 12:37 (four years ago) link

AAAAAAHHHH

imago, Saturday, 13 December 2014 02:44 (four years ago) link

Just interviewed him. Lovely man.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Monday, 15 December 2014 13:14 (four years ago) link

Spoke to him after the gig and can corroborate this

imago, Monday, 15 December 2014 13:34 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this is great! how did i not hear it till now?

this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 10:41 (four years ago) link

This should be right up my alley but I've never managed to get past the first couple tracks.

Dinsdale, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 11:44 (four years ago) link

there are only 4 tracks

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 13:50 (four years ago) link

I've listened to this about 4 times in the last 24 hours. Such expressive guitar playing. It makes me wonder what his guitar method is. He said in a Wire interview that when it comes to different tunings, he forgets what they are, but it definitely sounds like he's throwing in some interesting tunings in there all the same.

this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 14:05 (four years ago) link

also everyone likes a guy who posts his posts to multiple threads

imo it is nothing short of the finest pastoralia the north of england has produced, its folk stylings tempered with something utterly seaborne & untameable. 'nothing important' is a preternaturally brilliant folk-prog exegesis on mortality for god's sake, yet it also feels…slightly improvised?

glad to have you on board, i really think this stuff is the most interesting & emotionally affecting music coming out of this country at the moment

― London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:26 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 14:27 (four years ago) link

if nothing else, "utterly seaborne" has me downloading this atm

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:14 (four years ago) link

this fucking guy... the lyrical swing between the mundane and the fantastical... All in a weird semi-tonal bloodchant:

Year 7s on a school trip to Featherstone Castle
And some wee scallywag's brung
A Coca-Cola bottle containing a spirit
Poor Peter Hepplethwaite cracks open his head
On a shiny brass doorknob
And has to be rushed by helicopter amublance
To Haltwhistle Hospital

Si Shovell fills a Reebok pump
With the pulp from his belly
Then sets off a fire extinguisher
In the girl's dormitory
And finally clambers into bed with Miss Bartholomew
Much to the chagrin of the deputy headmaster
Whose scarlet skull is firmly wedged between her thighs

I only drank a few little droplets
I only took a tiny draught of the vile stuff

Downing Asda's own-brand stubbies in the lad's bogs
I listen to the dull reflection of a carillon in the toilet bowl
My A-levels drifting away from me
Matthew Mooney's hockle in my hair
Smells like menthol tabs

Outside the chip shop Thaddeus Wagstaff fractures my cheekbone;
3 empty cans of Castlemaine XXXX
Go rolling down my trouser leg
Blood, snot and curry coalesce in the corners of my nails
My friends drifting away from me

I only drank a few little droplets
I only took a tiny draught of the vile stuff

Attempting to penetrate a coconut husk with a Philips-head screwdriver
I pierce a hole straight through my hand into the laminate worktop
It's a major operation to repair a damaged tendon;
I come around with the tube still down my throat
The milk of amnesia fills my cup and back into the hole I go

Snoring like a pan of broth, I arouse the ire
Of my fellow patients
Wagging their ladles in the dark

My neighbour Andrew lost two fingers to a Staffie-cross
Whilst jogging over Cow Hill with a Pepperami in his bum-bag
He's a junior partner at James & James no-win-no-fee solicitor
Thinking of relocating to a Buddhist monastery in Halifax

He reckons I should try meditation
He reckons it could benefit my peace of mind

My bedroom walls are papered with the stripes of Newcastle United
Between which I perceive the presence of a horse-headed figure
Holding aloft a flaming quiver of bramble silhouettes
He is the King of Children
Singing like a boiler: 'Tomorrow is on its way'

I haven't had a wink of sleep and now the sun is in my porridge
I'm starting a BTEC in Engineering at Tynemouth College
My thermos flask leaks parsnip soup on the metro
Clogging up the keys of my MacBook

Carrot pennies steam amidst a pyre of pencils
Ruck-sack dripping up the steps of WH Smith's
To buy a fresh pad of paper

I only drank a few little droplets
I only took a tiny draught of the vile stuff

this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Friday, 9 January 2015 14:29 (four years ago) link

Nothing Important is even better, maybe?

I am born by Caesarian section at 9:30 AM
in Princess Mary's Maternity Hospital
on the 24th May, forty years ago today,
dangled by the ankle, smacked across the bum,
swaddled in a blanket howling like a wheel.
My big brother on his tip-toes hisses 'I don't like him'.
He's Maradona, I'm Peter Beardsley, chasing a ball through the mud
followed by the kitchen window, bellowing through the fern:
'Boys! Dinner's ready!'
Dad is tuning in the telly beyond a heaving mountain of spaghetti hoops.

I am nothing
You are nothing
Nothing important
Death within a dream

Petrified on the back of a pedalo in the Balearic Sea off Alcudia
I can see the ghost of my uncle Derek waving to us from the beach,
gently drifting out of reach,
the telephone receiver swinging by its cord,
a glass of broken beer expanding on the lino.
My mam slips into the coffin
a polaroid of his sweetheart
Clutching Good-Luck Bear I peer gingerly over the side,
press my nose up to the tide,
and there behold a barracuda chewing on a chrysanthemum
and a family of clownfish hovering in the corpse's hair.

I am nothing
You are nothing
Nothing important
Death within a dream

In the scullery of the cub-hut my clarinet falls
into a sack of flour - a flurry of pins
squashed into the leather handle
a crescent moon of sleeping fig-wasps.
Drizzling my fingers with The Magic Sponge
Dad says 'we'll probably have to chop them off'.
He collapses like a canvas tent on the floodlit astroturf
rent by a fibula guide-rod poking a hole through his shin
There are teardrops in his moustache
charging a flute of champagne
down the aisle and out for a throw-in
A St.John ambulance careers between the sugary pillars of the wedding cake

I am nothing
You are nothing
Nothing important
Death within a dream

A crystal spoon
A pewter tankard
these words inscribed upon the base:
HAPPY RETIREMENT BEST GRANDDAD IN THE WORLD
A toby jug filled to the brim with curtain hooks
A sheepskin rug discoloured with tobacco smoke
within its braids concealed a rank
of plastic soldiers set to burst underfoot
Berwick in oils: a skiff on the swollen Tweed
cradling a false pearl
a ceramic seraph
with an ashtray for a brain
- and I don't care about these things
Why do they remain so clear while the faces of my loved ones disappear?

A Rington's plate
a forking hairline seam of superglue through the Black Gate
a digital photoframe
frozen on a blurry orange thumb
I don't care about these things
Old karate trophies
I remember these things
Thimbles and pesetas
I remember all these things
A roll of Woolworth's price stickers
I can see all these things but
where have all my people gone?

In the end it wasn't meant to be.
He was the most beautiful thing that I had ever seen.
He survived for seven days
before he slipped away

yeah try not to cry

I like those lyrics. Right now, I just wish he didn't sing them in unison with the guitar lead like Robert Wyatt doing George Benson. But I am trying.

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 01:53 (four years ago) link

'Nothing Important' > 'The Vile Stuff', though

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 01:55 (four years ago) link

The Vile Stuff is utterly amazing but yeah it got those votes (compared to NI) on the strength of having a shortened version with a video. Nothing Important is maybe one of the 20 greatest songs I've ever heard. I like that it got 134 points in the EOY poll with 3 votes alone!

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 01:59 (four years ago) link

Richard Dawson is an interesting one. Yes, there are similarities with other avant garde guitarists like Bill Orcutt and Derek Bailey, but those dudes strike me as being very deliberately deconstructionist to an almost academic degree whereas Dawson's playing style is 100% expressionist and very audibly so. His lyrical approach and the regional, historical and autobiographical references he incorporates into his work are truly unique. Also, the influence of art and world music in his work is as strong as any English folk music. Not to mention the way he amps his nylon string guitar through a Fender, which is considered highly unorthodox but achieves a very particular tone. There's a reason Wire mag has been going crazy over him this year.

― quinoa: how's it spelt? (dog latin), Friday, January 23, 2015 2:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brilliant post that needs to go here, nice one dl

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:56 (four years ago) link

New remix of Judas Iscariot by Basic House (Bish from Drunk In Hell/Opal Tapes).

http://www.factmag.com/2015/01/23/hear-basic-houses-misty-remix-of-newcastle-guitar-bard-richard-dawson/

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:02 (four years ago) link

An over-reliance on locations and names in lyrics is not to my taste. But: Dawson does it so much and so arrogantly I feel he's doing it deliberately to mock American songwriters who have interstates and national parks they'll namedrop without thinking about it. I mean, I think he's "taking the piss"

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:10 (four years ago) link

srsly been struggling with which riverbed tbh

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:11 (four years ago) link

He's basically doing the same stuff that happened in so much early 2000s psych-folk and freak-folk that I loved, not Devendra/Vetiver/Akron Family, but Cerberus Shoal/Big Blood, Eric Chenaux, Deep Dark United. Love this kind of stuff.

xp please LJ don't I come here to relax

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:12 (four years ago) link

sorry

there's something to be said about an overreliance on place names but dawson's use of microscopic detail is a v important part of his aesthetic - see the lyrics to Nothing Important where he compiles a huge list of childhood memories but then REJECTS them all - he has no need for them - it is more the tragic pathos of detail that he is invested in I'd say, less taking the piss (although there is a bit of that; he's very funny)

never heard any of those artists. links would be appreciated :)

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:17 (four years ago) link

or just single-song/single-album recommendations

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:18 (four years ago) link

I'm not so into that piss-taking theory, if only because it seems like a poor payoff for the effort it requires. I think as Dawson does it, it's serious (I don't mean po-faced).

jmm, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:22 (four years ago) link

Silly thing to take the piss out of, so, no.

A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:26 (four years ago) link

Richard Dawson is an interesting one. Yes, there are similarities with other avant garde guitarists like Bill Orcutt and Derek Bailey, but those dudes strike me as being very deliberately deconstructionist to an almost academic degree whereas Dawson's playing style is 100% expressionist and very audibly so. His lyrical approach and the regional, historical and autobiographical references he incorporates into his work are truly unique. Also, the influence of art and world music in his work is as strong as any English folk music. Not to mention the way he amps his nylon string guitar through a Fender, which is considered highly unorthodox but achieves a very particular tone. There's a reason Wire mag has been going crazy over him this year.

― quinoa: how's it spelt? (dog latin), Friday, January 23, 2015 2:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brilliant post that needs to go here, nice one dl

― my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No it isn't.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:30 (four years ago) link

LOL

A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:33 (four years ago) link

I just responded to that in the EOY thread:

hey dog latin I am late for this but there is not one single thing about Bill Orcutt that is "academic", now please go listen to Harry Pussy's What Was Music and Ride A Dove.

ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:39 (four years ago) link

it's a great post about Dawson, at least - I don't know Orcutt or Bailey

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:39 (four years ago) link

so you didn't know a few of the bits he was comparing it to - are you even going to start thinking before you type this stuff.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:52 (four years ago) link

Place naming has always incited ire in my heart I guess since I heard some Canucks try and do it "she blew like a Chinook down Yonge Street" or something

If you like the raga guitar of Richard, search Eric Chenaux "Worm and Gear", it's on Soundcloud. Stompy vibe? "Sweetie" from the Cerberus Shoal split w Herman Dune (no Herman on it don't worry). Deep Dark United is my favourite band ever, seek "Zut".

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

Hey, I like Herman Dune. Grrrr.

emil.y, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

omg I did not know about that Cerebus Shoal split, I love them, thank you!

ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:55 (four years ago) link

I like Herman Dune too tbh! But for different reasons, different moods

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:56 (four years ago) link

Weirdly that CS/HD split is imo the best thing the Cerberus camp would do til Big Blood

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:57 (four years ago) link

yh cheers, stoked to hear these. micachu mixtape was gr8 btw so ty doubly

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:59 (four years ago) link

I agree that place naming can be irksome - claiming a sort of rootsy kinship in a play for perceived authenticity - but Dawson is playing with memory and its trappings, also he likes & revels in the sounds of the names a lot. Hogwhistle Hospital!

my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:03 (four years ago) link

Didn't hear much Harry Pussy in the Dawson tracks I listened to; solo Orcutt is a different matter.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:12 (four years ago) link

oh for sure, was just bringing up the HP albums is response to Orcutt's perceived "academic" qualities

ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:14 (four years ago) link

Yeah they are pretty much the antithesis of academic albs (unless the Centre for Advanced Bill Harkelroad Studies has really taken off recently)

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:38 (four years ago) link

Hogwhistle?

ewar woowar (or something), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:42 (four years ago) link

OMG, it has been a long time since I listened to anything by Chenaux or Deep Dark United! Should dig some up. Has Dawson ever mentioned being aware of them?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:44 (four years ago) link

For the record, the only Orcutt I've heard is 'A History Of Every One'. I will check out Harry Pussy. But yeah, IIRC that was an album of deconstructed standards and reminded me very much of Derek Bailey. I mean, I love and respect Bailey. He's a revolutionary and his ideas are incredible, but I listen to Dawson for very different reasons.

quinoa: how's it spelt? (dog latin), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:57 (four years ago) link

Respec' to Del

A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:05 (four years ago) link

A gentleman and a scholar.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (four years ago) link

Not much of a singer though

A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (four years ago) link

Nobody's perfect.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:09 (four years ago) link

Place naming has always incited ire in my heart I guess since I heard some Canucks try and do it "she blew like a Chinook down Yonge Street" or something

It's okay when Stomping Tom does it though, right?

everything, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:50 (four years ago) link

we used to live there on vine st

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:21 (four years ago) link

feel like street names should be exempt bc there are so many repeats

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:22 (four years ago) link

Stompin' Tom does it just fine
Americans can get away with it usually but if you hear "Dayton, Ohio 1903" and get what I mean then good

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:59 (four years ago) link

I choose to take "Dayton, Ohio 1903" as a reference to first powered flight so that I can laugh at the narrator tbh

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:02 (four years ago) link

think I got that interpretation from a comment on songmeanings.com, though.

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:03 (four years ago) link

actually, I laugh with Randy at the person that asked Randy to write that type of song, i.e. "Sing a song of long ago"

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:05 (four years ago) link

listen not to belabor this orcutt stuff but listen to "judas iscariot" off the dawson album and not think of orcutt is pretty ridiculous imo

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:11 (four years ago) link

also i really do like this album good job richard dawson ilx poll season makes me combative for no good reason i'm glad this album exists and ppl are digging it

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:17 (four years ago) link

actually, I laugh with Randy at the person that asked Randy to write that type of song, i.e. "Sing a song of long ago"

Yes we're on the same page

fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 21:32 (four years ago) link

"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.

charlie h, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:33 (four years ago) link

yeah the first thing my wife compared "The Vile Stuff" to was Wyatt

parakeetal pancreasface (sleeve), Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:59 (four years ago) link

An over-reliance on locations and names in lyrics is not to my taste. But: Dawson does it so much and so arrogantly I feel he's doing it deliberately to mock American songwriters who have interstates and national parks they'll namedrop without thinking about it. I mean, I think he's "taking the piss"

I think more specifically, the apocalyptic content of The Vile Stuff, wouldn't be as apparent if he didn't name all of the apostles [Thadeus, James and James Solicitors = James Son Of James, Miss Bartholemew…] so whether he's mocking or not, the list of names is kind of what the song's all about and it wouldn't work without them.

Doran, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:26 (four years ago) link

I dig this and I love the place-naming. His lyrics remind me of Nigel Blackwell although straining for a darkly surreal and wild poetic quality rather than Blackwell's comedy of the mundane.

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:50 (four years ago) link

amazing detail about the apostles - I totally missed that

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:52 (four years ago) link

well i'll be...

rem remrum (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:04 (four years ago) link

^

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:05 (four years ago) link

Listening to this record with a bit of a wobble on this morning, s'got me all over the place, am a mess

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 7 February 2015 11:59 (four years ago) link

:)

think this might be my favourite music of the last few years. Nigel Blackwell gone art-folk makes sense as a comparison bit there's something more wide-eyed and Romantic about Dawson's outlook (not that Blackwell lacks these qualities entirely). I don't think Dawson would be overly given to snipe at things he disapproves of.

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 12:08 (four years ago) link

I like the press of accumulating, involuntary and unwelcome minutiae vs. and I don't care about these things
Why do they remain so clear while the faces of my loved ones disappear?
That's life, kid, more and more: the memories you have vs. the ones you *should* have, even want to have. But there can be a liberation or release, relief, in submitting to that, in art, at least.

dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:43 (four years ago) link

Although he doesn't sound relieved yet. Letting it spew, though.

dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:45 (four years ago) link

The delivery and placement of that line is so great

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 15:56 (four years ago) link

Olllld karate trophies

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 16:04 (four years ago) link

just listening to The Ice-Breaker Baikal on the way home, magnificent

woof, Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:44 (four years ago) link

The theme of the apostles - and other religious matters - came up in an interview I carried out with Richard Dawson last week if anyone's interested.

Doran, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:53 (four years ago) link

god's work, doran

Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:16 (four years ago) link

He knocked on the door and my brother answered. I was frightened so I hid behind the door. I peeped around and saw that he had come in a big old dragster car (we actually had a little dragster racing board game at the time). It was parked at the end of the drive and the engine was still growling. I remember I was really scared. The Easter Bunny understood this and leaned around the door to look squarely at me. He was very serious and not like a cartoon bunny. He was a very realistic looking rabbit, but human sized and wearing quite simple clothes. He looked at me and was very solemn. Then he slowly nodded and handed me a chocolate egg. I cannot stress how melancholy an air this giant rabbit had about him. Then he got back in his dragster and roared off.

brb going to create a sort of cultish wallchart with dawson, julian cope, cardiacs, oliver postgate, dylan thomas and some others until british pastoralia leaps forth connected as a sort of salvation

dawson on religion is as close to my own position as anyone i've read

he is beyond, a marvel

Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:19 (four years ago) link

great great interview, thanks doran

woof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:30 (four years ago) link

cheers, i've 'pocketed' this for later reading.

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:31 (four years ago) link

Excellent interview, that.

emil.y, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:22 (four years ago) link

yes, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:25 (four years ago) link

That's great.

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:44 (four years ago) link

Great interview. Fascinating that he works on the lyrics for so long. Apart from maybe Leonard Cohen, I don't think I've heard someone talk about working on a lyric to a single song in that way.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 23:50 (four years ago) link

Fucking hell, that's an amazing interview.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 08:56 (four years ago) link

just broke open a coconut and because of the cautionary tale on this album all I could think of was not to use a screwdriver under any circumstances

ftr I hit it with a big wrench and did not injure myself

hot takes: audit in progress (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 20:37 (four years ago) link

Who's going to the Lexington tonight?

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:43 (four years ago) link

sold out by the time I found out - but hunting a spare ticket today & strongly tempted to go along and see if can get one there

woof, Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:52 (four years ago) link

Ruth Flecknell We did go on a ghost hunt at featherstone but the real spirit was definitely in that bottle and the trip to haltwhistle was in my car- a helicopter would have been much more well driven! It was definitely a weird experience for the adults as well as the youngsters we took. The genius is in the way you narrate the event and from the adult perspective looking back I can see how bizarre it was on so many levels for some of the children on the periphery of events. Good luck with your tour, I will catch your next one, the tickets were sold out this time before I woke up to how in vogue you are
Like · Reply · 1 · 10 February at 15:05

RICHARD DAWSON Mrs Flecknell - there will always be room for you at a gig, please remember this!
Like · Reply · 10 February at 15:15

Ruth Flecknell I will. Thanks richard. You deserve your success.
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Three Word Username, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:16 (four years ago) link

the best person. 'Mrs Flecknell'!!!

didn't get a ticket for tonight :( and scarletmist is gone :(:(

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:27 (four years ago) link

thinking there's no great hardship sitting in a pub for a couple of hours and keeping an ear open for spares & returns.

woof, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:47 (four years ago) link

maybe we might join you tbh

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:50 (four years ago) link

how big is the venue? slightly surprising he has such a following
city boys paying high three figures on the secondary no doubt

nakhchivan, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:51 (four years ago) link

by 'we' i mean me and my fifteen friends, all of whom like to barge in front

the lexington is what i'd call a 'large pub venue'

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:52 (four years ago) link

i reckon I'll recognise you lj, so I'll say hello, shake hands before the fight to the death over the single spare.

Vile Stuff as city boy drinking anthem, I can see it

woof, Thursday, 12 February 2015 14:03 (four years ago) link

If I wasn't feeling like shit I would have joined you, but no doubt he'll be playing Cafe Oto at some point soon.

how big is the venue? slightly surprising he has such a following

I'm not at all surprised!

Nut-bloody-rageous (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 February 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

we are here (it's near my gf's work)...let the hunt begin

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:52 (four years ago) link

Awww man Mrs Flecknell

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:55 (four years ago) link

He was incredible last night. Did an 80 minute set, felt too short. I got a little overexcited and drank a whole bottle of red wine during the set and could barely walk afterwards, I blame him doing The Vile Stuff last, if he'd done it first I'd have felt forewarned.

http://photos-f.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10979611_1413180728981101_1236214605_n.jpg

ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 14 February 2015 13:49 (four years ago) link

Had to leave the Lexington after four songs because I was getting besieged by texts about Steve Strange and had to go and sort out coverage. Unfortunately I was right at the front in the corner, which made getting out horrible for me and everyone I had to get past.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Saturday, 14 February 2015 17:46 (four years ago) link

Didn't scrounge a ticket, but booked in for May at Bethnal Green WMC.

woof, Saturday, 14 February 2015 18:20 (four years ago) link

the qawali element of the vile stuff hadn't really struck me before, but hearing everyone clapping along to it and with dawsons voice wailing high above the rhythm, it was so damn obvious. Could have done without people tunelessly moaning along to poor old horse though, felt like dawson was altering his phrasing every time on that chorus just to try and shake them off his tail

let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Saturday, 14 February 2015 18:23 (four years ago) link

The Lex gig was amazing. Poor Old Horse. What an upsetting song.

Doran, Saturday, 14 February 2015 19:15 (four years ago) link

Cambridge gig tonight was so good. I've been ill for a few days and thought about not going but reading this thread convinced me - thanks guys! Highlights included stories about his cat, Poor Old Horse, when his guitar string broke halfway through The Vile Stuff and he ended up singing "In Dreams" instead with audience participation.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8654/16555073335_29d5b781a3_z.jpg

kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:16 (four years ago) link

seandalai i had no idea he was playing cambridge. damn!

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:25 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Joseph an 84/100 in carpentry? ridiculous.

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:17 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw him last night at Bethnal Green WMC. cannot remember being transfixed like that in an age. ghost of a tree…

woof, Thursday, 14 May 2015 09:05 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

woah just announced playing in bristol next month with eek and islam chipsy

nxd, Thursday, 12 November 2015 10:28 (four years ago) link

fuck fuck fuck are tickets on sale?

canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:55 (four years ago) link

damn bit all to hell I can't go.... aaaaargh!!!

canoon fooder (dog latin), Friday, 13 November 2015 01:26 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

http://thequietus.com/articles/22164-new-richard-dawson

so this is going to be the best album of the decade, then

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:39 (two years ago) link

i don't like the new song as much as the stuff on the previous album, but i do like it.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:41 (two years ago) link

and he's playing bristol with a full band soon! whoop!

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:41 (two years ago) link

I just listened to it for the first time while walking through an abandoned rural village in blazing sunshine and now I am Woden himself

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:43 (two years ago) link

New sound is maybe a bit like if you took the old sound and added North Sea Radio Orchestra. It is deep imago.

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 15:45 (two years ago) link

his guitar style seems to have mellowed a tad though..

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:48 (two years ago) link

Maybe for this song, but those background sonics, especially during the climax, my god...if that's mellowing...

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 16:52 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfaW-yD7DoA&

simpler times

ogmor, Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:29 (two years ago) link

It's too much. I'm extremely emotional

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:37 (two years ago) link

love this.

now for a rewatch of Be Glad for the Song Has No Ending.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:44 (two years ago) link

http://thequietus.com/articles/22157-richard-dawson-peasant-interview-michael-hann

....aaaand the record was inspired by Hard To Be A God. Of COURSE :D

Wonderful interview - by one of ILX's own

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:54 (two years ago) link

been in my head all weekend

ogmor, Sunday, 9 April 2017 18:16 (two years ago) link

yep

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Sunday, 9 April 2017 18:17 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this new song came up on Spotify, sounds a bit like peter hammill

briscall stool chart (wins), Friday, 28 April 2017 18:25 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Spent a big part of the weekend listening to Peasant. A real mind-boggler, album of the year contender for me.

maarten, Sunday, 28 May 2017 14:56 (two years ago) link

I am excited & very ready for this

ogmor, Thursday, 1 June 2017 13:47 (two years ago) link

this is better than i had dared hope

imago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:54 (two years ago) link

at some point during 'prostitute' the distinct sensation of music being broken and remade settled over me

imago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:55 (two years ago) link

Haha Richard Dawson's retweet of you has just hit my timeline.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Friday, 2 June 2017 10:40 (two years ago) link

It was a like, not a retweet! Twitter has begun timelining likes haha

imago, Friday, 2 June 2017 10:43 (two years ago) link

Waiting on mine from Norman but I have a couple of ordered in items before they ship.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Friday, 2 June 2017 10:47 (two years ago) link

Definitely going to buy this as well but I couldn't wait to hear it

imago, Friday, 2 June 2017 10:50 (two years ago) link

everyone kindly stop talking about the sodding arcade fire and start talking about this pls

imago, Saturday, 3 June 2017 11:27 (two years ago) link

Regarding Dawson's guitar playing. Most of the time it's *reasonably* conventional. Relying often on the classic alternating bass thumb etc. I've barely heard Bailey or Orcutt but I'd imagine they are less structured

Duke, Saturday, 3 June 2017 17:55 (two years ago) link

now for a rewatch of Be Glad for the Song Has No Ending.

Was about to say the guitar playing reminds me a bit of some Incredible String Band tracks, something like "White Bird" perhaps.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 June 2017 18:05 (two years ago) link

He also plays a travel guitar with a short scale and strings downtuned, which gives him loads of string buzz

Duke, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:16 (two years ago) link

So even when he's playing deft little melodies, it can sound slightly "wrong"

Duke, Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:18 (two years ago) link

this is quite a record. slicker & tighter with the band backing, frequently too camp and overripe for my taste, but it concentrates the power and he is undeniably at the top of his game. the way he rips through shapeshifter is amazing

ogmor, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 09:26 (two years ago) link

digging 'ogre'

nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:43 (two years ago) link

while Ogre is astounding I hope you have since moved onto digging all of it, even the overripe bits (i.e. Masseuse, which was the only one I was unsure about but which has since settled nicely into my head for ever more)

imago, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:38 (two years ago) link

let's pick up some floating Talk Talk enthusiasts (the ambient background sussurations and blurts here are as good as any on TT's last two records)

imago, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:39 (two years ago) link

saw him in leeds on friday, slower & more dramatic than on the record & got so much heavier and fierce which sold me on tracks I hadn't been as keen on - scientist - and the likes of ogre & the vile stuff were overwhelming & awesome. just as charming & funny as I'd expected (& ofc everyone slightly giddy post election), he sang a mike waterson track a cappella & opened with the parents address to his firstborn song (the first RD track I loved), so he couldn't really have won me over any more (well I could have really gone for poor old horse but I need something to look fwd to next time). I've been discovering the magic bridge over the past few weeks too, which is a gorgeous album & right up my street

ogmor, Sunday, 11 June 2017 11:22 (two years ago) link

a good friend of mine turned me onto Richard Dawson's music a couple weeks ago. he played me "Ogre" and then some 20 minute solo guitar & voice piece. didn't listen to him again for a week and then the end "Ogre" got stuck in my head one night ("when the sun is dying") so i got Peasant and it's amazing. makes XTC look like the MC5.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 05:12 (two years ago) link

seeing him in 2 days, couldn't be more excited

if this isn't album of the year then...someone else will have made a seriously great album

imago, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:53 (two years ago) link

There's no such thing as 'album of the year'.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:14 (two years ago) link

being alone is

ogmor, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:34 (two years ago) link

this is definitely one of the best things i've heard this year, Beggar especially is fantastic

ufo, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 12:36 (two years ago) link

*my* album of the year ffs

imago, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:00 (two years ago) link

Saw him on Saturday and I'm not convinced the full band works if I'm honest. Still tremendous though.

Can't remember the order but Scientist/Prostitute/Soldier/Weaver plus a version of The Cruel Ship's Carpenter in there somewhere, then closing with Ogre and The Vile Stuff.

Chat involved a fake electrocution, how John broke his guitar (but Richard wasn't going to make a big deal out it even though John broke his guitar), texts from Richard's dad and something about cats I don't remember.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:09 (two years ago) link

has he toured the USA? would love to see him live this year

flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:04 (two years ago) link

Yeah Im loving this. Some wyrd "A Field in England" vibes on some tracks. "Soldier" is one the best songs I've heard this year

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:26 (two years ago) link

soldier has such a comfortably-worn plodding weariness to it. played it v differently live, snarled and shouted his way through it. in general I thought he pulled the more progge elements off better live when the intensity of his performance could bear them better

ogmor, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:52 (two years ago) link

good lord

imago, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:21 (two years ago) link

that was a tonic

imago, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:21 (two years ago) link

i am tired
and i am afraid

flappy bird, Friday, 23 June 2017 01:42 (two years ago) link

A cross between..

Super furry animals, Comus and Ed Barton.

That's good, BTW.

Mark G, Friday, 23 June 2017 06:10 (two years ago) link

Love it so far

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 23 June 2017 11:07 (two years ago) link

This guy makes me want to revisit Bob Drake, who I haven't listened to in years.

Evan, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 16:01 (two years ago) link

I'm so in love with this album. Really feeling 'Weaver' and 'Beggar' today.

cajunsunday, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:07 (two years ago) link

can't stop wondering about how the potato in shapeshifter got to bryneich/bernicia. it's such an odd line, is it deliberately anachronistic/anatopic?

ogmor, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:28 (two years ago) link

there are a few deliberate anachronisms! like what's a collie doing in the dark ages

imago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:35 (two years ago) link

it's a better world he's made

imago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:35 (two years ago) link

the blurring of those times and these is like what paul kingsnorth was doing with his 'shadow tongue' in 'the wake', which i read concurrently to discovering this album, both complementing each other brilliantly

imago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:37 (two years ago) link

see also: the closing poem of m* n***l

imago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:39 (two years ago) link

but what is the significance of this potato?!

ogmor, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:42 (two years ago) link

perhaps the shapeshifter is also able to shift the shape of objects, and it had been a humble apple beforehand. magic does what magic does iirc

imago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:45 (two years ago) link

the more i think about it the more deliciously puzzling the song is, but the potato is somehow what sends it over the top for me. the potato as a casual yet unsettling gesture to seal the deal after the shapeshifter has freed them. and the way he sings it of course.

ogmor, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:59 (two years ago) link

everyone i've played "ogre" for says it sounds like polyphonic spree :(

flappy bird, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:07 (two years ago) link

Mmmm hmmmmm

Mark G, Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:06 (two years ago) link

Yeeeah, this is good

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 14 July 2017 19:37 (two years ago) link

how good :p

imago, Friday, 14 July 2017 19:45 (two years ago) link

I really wasn't sure to start with but then Ogre took over my inner jukebox and now I'm getting mildly obsessed

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 14 July 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

In other words it's growing on me like a bastard. How does it compare with his older stuff?

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 14 July 2017 20:13 (two years ago) link

As good as the last album, i.e. as good as it fucken gets

imago, Friday, 14 July 2017 20:25 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

late to the party but aoty

devvvine, Sunday, 30 July 2017 14:52 (two years ago) link

obv

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 15:37 (two years ago) link

imo a lot of people are going to be figuring where this fits into their decade list come december 2019

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 15:42 (two years ago) link

Blame it on the 'shock of the new', or changing musical tastes, but I'm just not as impressed by this one as I was Nothing Important. Guess that last album hit me during my peak Wire-reading / free jazz listening / Derek Bailey celebrating phase, but this record, to me, feels safer and more flat-plan. I loved the lyrical sprawl of those longer songs, as well as the abstruse guitar playing. This feels more reined-in by comparison, but maybe I need to do some background reading here to get a better feel for what the songs are about and the concepts behind them.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 31 July 2017 07:49 (two years ago) link

maybe I need to do some background reading here to get a better feel for what the songs are about and the concepts behind them.

Progge warning.

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Monday, 31 July 2017 08:09 (two years ago) link

Some of the weirdness and atonality has been delegated to other instrumentalists, but it's still there! It does have a more straight-folk vibe but that's a conscious aesthetic decision and I think it works beautifully - this record really brings out RD's amazing sense of melody and progression. Plus the arrangements are flat-out wonderful.

If forced at gunpoint to choose I'd probably still go with Nothing Important but they're both phenomenal IMO, he is the best songwriter going

imago, Monday, 31 July 2017 08:32 (two years ago) link

I admired rather than enjoyed Nothing Important but Peasant has really struck a chord with me - that it's more melodic probably does help a lot. Definitely a highlight of 2017.

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 31 July 2017 08:59 (two years ago) link

"Soldier" is a fucking great song.

flappy bird, Monday, 31 July 2017 18:04 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Don't know much about this subgenre (British avant-folk?) but to me Dawson sounds like a less roots-anchored Robin Williamson – if we go by his later, ECM material. Anyway, I'm really enjoying this, especially the dirge-like 'Hob'.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:23 (one year ago) link

There's nothing like it.

I like to roll out the North Sea Radio Orchestra comparisons, but that's mostly because that's the only other UK alt-folk-adjacent contemporary music I love this much. It's more chamber music than Dawson, who's in turn much more experimental. Peasant represents some kind of melodic rapprochement between the two though, perhaps

imago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:15 (one year ago) link

Was about to say the guitar playing reminds me a bit of some Incredible String Band tracks, something like "White Bird" perhaps.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 June 2017 18:05 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

... which is a Mike Heron track actually, though he's definitely more Robin Williamson. Not that I've heard enough of his material though, tbh.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:36 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

HEN OGLEDD

http://thequietus.com/articles/25272-hen-ogledd-problem-child-richard-dawson

HEN OGLEDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O9BXeFm_yg

HEN OGLEDD

A spokesperson for the band says: "Each hailing from historically different tribal regions of the Old North, the musicians on Mogic challenge the idea that the ancient world was rife with magic, while the new is infiltrated by cold logic. The tracks on Mogic create new phantasmal blends of images and ideas that draw upon the mystical and technological. Mogic is a discombobulating pop prayer exploring artificial intelligence, witches, nanotechnology, pre-medieval history, robots, romance, computer games and waterfalls.

imago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 11:27 (one year ago) link

"I live on a mountain
The only tall sculpture on this planet
The view is appalling"

Excellent song, excellent video.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 11:33 (one year ago) link

this was certainly unexpected but it's very cool

ufo, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 11:41 (one year ago) link

saw him live at a festival this year, was indeed something to behold, guy is brilliant

niels, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 12:04 (one year ago) link

for everyone who wished peasant sounded more like the super furry animals

ogmor, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 12:10 (one year ago) link

lmao this rules

devvvine, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 12:56 (one year ago) link

Bass reminds me of The Cure in parts. Unexpected, this. I like

Duke, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

If you're going to make lazy comparisons to other Welsh pop acts, make them to people who are actually excited to hear this album

‘I live on a mountain, the only tall sculpture on this planet. The view is appalling..’ YES @HOgledd https://t.co/yLCzA3rJi4

— G W E N N O (@gwennosaunders) September 11, 2018

imago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 20:57 (one year ago) link

actually, speaking of Welsh postpunk, the song it reminded me of most was this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KquxHMQD1Z0

imago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 21:28 (one year ago) link

GWENNO KIND OF QUOTED WHAT I QUOTED FIRST I AM MORE IN LOVE THAN I ALREADY WAS <333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 21:45 (one year ago) link

Gwenno reads ILm, I am sure of it now. And that is alright.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 21:45 (one year ago) link

Finally got around to Nothing Important. I think I like his sinister minimalist moods more than his whimsy, but then again 'Hob' was the highlight of Peasant for me.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 06:59 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

hen ogledd album good-not-mindblowing, worth a listen though

imago, Friday, 16 November 2018 14:52 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

am now decided that weaver is the best track on peasant, so much range but moves through all these different moments with eerie smoothness, carried along by that slightly nervous, unsettled energy

ogmor, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:37 (six months ago) link

I'm partial to 'Hob', for predictably temperamental reasons. I also happen to prefer the relative nihilism of Nothing Important, also for predictably temperamental reasons.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:44 (six months ago) link

I too prefer the best album of the decade to the third or fourth best album of the decade

Weaver was always one of the best tracks, as was Hob, as were all the others. I can barely talk about it

imago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:03 (six months ago) link

springtime is dawson time

ogmor, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:07 (six months ago) link

i still have vivid memories of my first listen to Ogre, walking through a Surrey village en route to a lesson, on an extremely idyllic spring afternoon

imago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:08 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

New track "Jogging", from forthcoming album 2020 (due October):
https://youtu.be/UGiQ_-Ktpvc

mike t-diva, Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:17 (three months ago) link

!!

he's gone...rock!

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:26 (three months ago) link

Droll lyrics, as usual, but I'm underwhelmed by the song proper. Nothing Important was the peak imho.

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:28 (three months ago) link

It was the peak of albums by anybody this decade, so

I mean I still like this and am intrigued by the album

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:33 (three months ago) link

did he get muse to do the arrangement? not really feeling this

ufo, Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:34 (three months ago) link

muse?!

yeah this is great

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:08 (three months ago) link

I must say, I prefer him when he's stripped down and dirty. Peasant felt too dense and painterly for me to be able to get into.

frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:24 (three months ago) link

This is okay though.

frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:43 (three months ago) link

actually this is really good with the video

frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:51 (three months ago) link

about the third listen before I was fully this song's humble servant

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:57 (three months ago) link

have to admit the bathos of the last verse/chorus got me a bit choked up. I like this song. always helps to have the words to read along with I feel

frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 1 August 2019 16:10 (three months ago) link

love it

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 1 August 2019 16:13 (three months ago) link

You are all mad. Peasant was his peak. This next album might better it.

Duke, Thursday, 1 August 2019 16:35 (three months ago) link

It will be something, that's for sure.

There's a limited-edition David Squires comic with the LP! Might have to get that...

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 19:23 (three months ago) link

I like the way it's somehow both specific and universal, and I also like the contrast between the surging rock chorus arrangement and the almost humdrumness of the words being sung over them. Plus, I'm just coming to the end of reading Jonathan Coe's Middle England, and - the direct lyrical parallel aside - the themes of both dovetail well. It articulates something which feels more contemporary and less past-referencing than other stuff I've heard of his, and Rock suits him better here than on the Hen Ogledd project, which didn't really do it for me.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 1 August 2019 20:49 (three months ago) link

agreed and nicely put

imago, Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:14 (three months ago) link

WOW

tangenttangent, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:08 (three months ago) link

i think the song itself is fine but the rock arrangement is just so plodding and doesn't really work with his voice

ufo, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:51 (three months ago) link

okay this on at least the best song I've heard oooh.. in the last day of not week. Nice one Dawso

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 2 August 2019 00:30 (three months ago) link

is. I'm drunk

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 2 August 2019 00:30 (three months ago) link

if. fml

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 2 August 2019 00:30 (three months ago) link

dl otm :)

Great song, and re: mike t-diva, it's the specific that makes it universal. Loving this.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 2 August 2019 07:42 (three months ago) link

I tried to listen to Peasant again and couldn't get into it. Maybe I need to read some of the lyrics, but it feels more like the work of a full and different band: a lot more traditional and folky? I'm starting to think Jogging is my favourite thing by him that I've heard

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 2 August 2019 09:08 (three months ago) link

anyone else getting Super Furry Animals vibes off this too?

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 2 August 2019 09:09 (three months ago) link

yeah the vocoders made me think of them, that's all though

imago, Friday, 2 August 2019 09:32 (three months ago) link

I always got a SFA vibe off him, so I can imagine this does.

Yep, good sentence that, sticking to it.

Mark G, Friday, 2 August 2019 09:34 (three months ago) link

Even the clean vox have a tinge of Gruff Rhys straining to them.

pomenitul, Friday, 2 August 2019 09:34 (three months ago) link

Then again, it's a NE accent, which (when some people try to imitate it) can end up sounding Welsh-ish.

Mark G, Friday, 2 August 2019 09:38 (three months ago) link

I don't think this song is up there with the best of Peasant. (After only a few listens). I tend to agree with ufo above that the heavyish arrangement is a little plodding. But I'm really looking forward to the album. He's one of my favourite people.

Duke, Friday, 2 August 2019 15:48 (three months ago) link

I've come to realise that 'anyway, will you sponsor me for my stupid run? its gonna do fuck all' is the ultimate message from this song.

the yellow hoodie
the England flag
the kids in their karate outfits

the whole. fucking. thing.

frame casual (dog latin), Sunday, 4 August 2019 04:06 (three months ago) link

I like this and it makes sense as a lead off single but I'm eager to hear more skronky folk jams like Weaver and Shapeshifter off the last album.

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Sunday, 4 August 2019 08:11 (three months ago) link

I like this and it makes sense as a lead off single but I'm eager to hear more skronky folk jams like Weaver and Shapeshifter off the last album.

― hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Sunday, 4 August 2019 10:11 

Exactly my thoughts.

Duke, Sunday, 4 August 2019 12:28 (three months ago) link

'there's no such thing as a quick fix'

frame casual (dog latin), Sunday, 4 August 2019 12:35 (three months ago) link

I'd never heard of this guy until I saw the Jogging video earlier. Loved it. Watched it three times. Teared up.

del griffith, Monday, 5 August 2019 03:06 (three months ago) link

:)

you are in for a treat

imago, Monday, 5 August 2019 08:07 (three months ago) link

Agreed!!

Duke, Monday, 5 August 2019 19:35 (three months ago) link

I didn't think I liked the arrangement much but the lyrics have stuck with me since it was posted. Coming back for a second listen it's all sounding pretty great now.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 04:53 (three months ago) link

I know I'm like Top Fan of this song, but I think the music really suits it. The opening heavy metal salvo is kind of a mocking tribute to Eye of the Tiger which gives away to that slightly clompy palm-muted rhythm. Makes me think of every time I've thought about jogging outside: that initial burst of inspiration quickly turning into mild disappointment at my own physical inabilities. And yeah, the robot voice bit provides some nice, light, maniacal relief.

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 08:32 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

new one; much prefer this to jogging, which i'm yet to warm to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkSvn23fbAg

devvvine, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:20 (two months ago) link

Eh, the poppier his aspirations the more I struggle with his fanciful streak. I'll start caring again when he reverts back to the relative nihilism of Nothing Important.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:36 (two months ago) link

While I do genuinely love Jogging, I agree. For the first time a new Dawson song that feels like self-parody to me, lyrically. I'd be fine with never hearing Two Halves again, and that's a first for me w/ Dawson.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:44 (two months ago) link

Brace yourself for imago's beatdown!

pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:46 (two months ago) link

*joggs off*

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:49 (two months ago) link

Best stop-motion interpretive dance of the year.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 11:04 (two months ago) link

yeah this is great but clearly you both need to marinate more

imago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 11:05 (two months ago) link

and retrospectively nominating this for the animated poll yeah

imago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 11:05 (two months ago) link

yeah this is great but clearly you both need to marinate more

Prophetic.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 08:00 (one month ago) link

Begrudgingly agreed :)

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 08:06 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I thought Nothing Important was great but not nearly as much as a lot of you. Couldn't get into Peasant too much. But both of these singles have blown me away. I haven't heard anything prior to NI but this feels like a drastic but pretty awesome departure so far. I think I love these.

gman59, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 21:38 (one month ago) link

Nothing Important is probably least favourite release of his, oddly. Peasant blew me away. I'm also really looking forward to this album. The more Dawson the better

Duke, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:27 (one month ago) link

this is so great obv :)

jogging is just so amazing still

imago, Friday, 11 October 2019 00:00 (one month ago) link

hmm. it seems to frontload the best stuff

still good!

imago, Friday, 11 October 2019 08:57 (one month ago) link

'Fulfilment Centre' tho.

pomenitul, Friday, 11 October 2019 09:30 (one month ago) link

The entire Kurdish people have had a brick put through their kitchen window :(

imago, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:00 (one month ago) link

Can't really think of another musician who so accurately captures what it's like to live in our world right now.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 October 2019 15:41 (one month ago) link

I was just thinking, prompted by his calling a track heart emoji, that there's a similar eye for the details of contemporary pains on the superb default genders album (aoty)

ogmor, Friday, 11 October 2019 16:18 (one month ago) link

will have to check it out

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 October 2019 16:54 (one month ago) link

Wherein he reveals his favourite albums:

https://thequietus.com/articles/27269-richard-dawson-interview-favourite-music

pomenitul, Monday, 14 October 2019 09:14 (one month ago) link

that is one of the most interesting and 'not heard; better check' bakers dozens ever. dicky daws is the coolest man alive

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 09:42 (one month ago) link

I've got a holy trinity of music, which is Eliane Radigue, Sun Ra and Circle. I could happily lose everything else and I think I'd be ok.

<333

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:30 (one month ago) link

I'm in two minds about this album. Much as I love Richard Dawson's work, I always appreciate it best when I'm reading the lyrics along with the music and that's why watching the video for 'Jogging' works so well.
I'm not sure how well this works as something I can just play and enjoy without the lyric sheet.
Enjoying the way each song is a little short story in itself, like a mini Mike Leigh movie. But as with so many writers of short stories, he has a tendency to rely on the same tricks, and occasionally condescends in a 'look at these poor souls and their rough lives' kind of way.
Opener, 'Civil Servant', aims for the same levels of kitchen-sink bathos as 'Jogging', supplementing the 'British Red Cross' for 'Call of Duty'. But the story of the beleagured council worker lacks 'Jogging''s subtelty, and strays into uncharacteristically sith-form angstiness.
More interesting are 'Two Halves' (in which a young foootball player worries about failing in front of his pushy father), and 'Heart Emoji', in which the creeping, ponderous music mimics the murderous thoughts of the song's jilted lover.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:35 (one month ago) link

*sixth-form, not sith. That would be interesting and very Dawson

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 10:39 (one month ago) link

yeah as I said, this album isn't nearly as good as the last two, but Jogging is absolutely incredible and I also really love Civil Servant

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:41 (one month ago) link

i'm finding the new record quite difficult so far, his lyrics and sense of melody seem as great as ever but the arrangements and musical palette can feel quite odd and it's not as rich and full-sounding as peasant. some of it is very plodding and i'm not really into the dissonant stabbing. i don't really expect to love it as much as peasant but i hope it'll open up more to me

are his pre-nothing important records worth checking out btw? i'm just realising that i've never really heard anyone mention them much ever

ufo, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:45 (one month ago) link

they are. 'the magic bridge' has some amazing playing (and it has 'black dog in the sky' on it ffs) and 'the glass trunk' has some truly wonderful a cappella songs that showcase his voice and storytelling powers

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:50 (one month ago) link

I would like to give Peasant another go. I need to read along with it I guess

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 11:18 (one month ago) link

What imago says xpost. The Magic Bridge is amazing. Black Dog..., Wooden Bag and We Picked Apple's... are some of his best songs.

Duke, Monday, 14 October 2019 19:38 (one month ago) link

On second listen of the new one. Enjoying it. But it's no match for Peasant. So far.

Duke, Monday, 14 October 2019 19:40 (one month ago) link

I'm enjoying it more too. I'm wondering if I'd like it a bit more if Civil Servant had been left off though. I guess it works as a nice scene-setter, but lyrically it doesn't do anything more than Jogging and Fulfilment Centre already do a lot better

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link

has one of the strongest melodies on the album though

imago, Monday, 14 October 2019 21:32 (one month ago) link

I find the 'I refuse refuse refuse!' bit a bit cringey though eeeeh... and it is a strong melody but Dawson's vocals are just a bit much

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 14 October 2019 21:35 (one month ago) link

digging into this properly. come fully round on jogging with how the album kinda repurposes pub rock and shitty synth effects. black triangle by far the standout for me.

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:46 (three weeks ago) link

not a patch on peasant tho

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:46 (three weeks ago) link

indeed. he did a reddit AMA the other night, need to read that

imago, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:47 (three weeks ago) link

"Civil Servant" is hilarious. I must check this album out

The World According To.... (Michael B), Friday, 18 October 2019 11:49 (three weeks ago) link

think the less overtly 'state of the nation'-y parts are its strongest. was expecting a dawson song titled freshers ball to be too real, fortunately hit pretty hard in a different way

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:57 (three weeks ago) link

from the ama re black triangle

the whole ufo sighting was something that really happened to me and my pal neil. the song is completely as it happened right up to the point where neil lives in a barn conversion. so even though it uses this experience, it's not about me........

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 12:11 (three weeks ago) link

"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.

― charlie h, Friday, January 30, 2015 8:33 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:52 (three weeks ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

devvvine, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:43 (three weeks ago) link

What a crazy selection of favorite albums, there were two on there I couldn't even find online (and not the one he said you can't find online).

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:44 (three weeks ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

― devvvine, Sunday, October 20, 2019 2:43 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

its a close-run thing with 'nothing important' but yeah

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

I voted for Person Pitch. That and Feels are fading for me but still like them very much.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (three weeks ago) link

Love the images!

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (three weeks ago) link

lol I doubt either of his first two albums will place.

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:35 (three weeks ago) link

if dicky dawson doesn't double-up come the 10's poll then i'm banning everyone

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:37 (three weeks ago) link

Hah. It's been a long weekend...

(Agree The Vile Stuff is damn well perfect.)

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:38 (three weeks ago) link

Reveals he has begun work on the next album

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:37 (two weeks ago) link

ty for that! don't remotely agree with the guardian framing this as his breakout masterpiece though

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, for me that was Peasant, which must have significantly widened his audience. But 2020 seems to be getting even more mainstream attention.

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 13:51 (two weeks ago) link

while NI is probably my favourite album of the decade, i can fully buy Peasant as his breakout moment yeah. mainstream is always slow to pick up on these things but RYM and the wider nerd community got on board at Peasant

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 14:41 (two weeks ago) link

imo peasant sounds way more accessible than the nu one

devvvine, Sunday, 27 October 2019 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

Crazy talk. The new one is may more accessible on several levels (not leats that's it's way easier to identify with totally relatable stories about people who live now versus people who lived 1400 years ago, never mind tunes and arrangements), and is totally the breakout record. Peasant is the one that hinted a breakout was possible, but it didn't go over the parapet.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, lots of people (my boss included) seem to be very familiar with Jogging. It's been getting a lot of Radio 6 airplay whereas I think Peasant was really a cult thing

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

i meant purely the arrangements and how it sounds, the ugliness of how jogging sounds compared to a song like weaver. not denying the the hooks and lyrics are more accessible.

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:47 (two weeks ago) link

working from a base of what wld my mum prefer so good chance i am talking nonsense

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

Shades of how my other Favourite Current Artist, Weyes Blood, had to release three incredible albums in a row before the powers that be really caught on. (And as with Dawson, the one that pushed her over the edge might not be her best, although in her case it's much more arguable)

imago, Monday, 28 October 2019 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

Finally got a copy of Nothing Important yesterday, bought direct from Domino after reconciling myself to the fact that it will A: never be cheap online and B: never be in stock in my local HMV again.

So apart from The Vile Stuff it all sounds basically like unlistenable improvised torture to me right now, but HOLY SHIT I've listened to The Vile Stuff about 6 times in a row and WTF

What's it doing?! It's a 16-minute raga about a school trip that somehow finds a level of emotional intensity that is completely unwarranted. It makes Venus In Furs sound like Scouting For Girls. It makes a lyric about Newcastle United wallpaper sound like something occult.

Wow.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:00 (one week ago) link

It's a brilliant song. The bit about him spacing out and having visions as he stares at his Newcastle United poster is something else

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:05 (one week ago) link

He has a visual disability that brings such visions about

Wait until the title-track clicks...

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:10 (one week ago) link

I must admit that, as much as I enjoy Dawson's music and Nothing Important in particular, there's a dare I say cultural barrier that will never dissolve completely.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:13 (one week ago) link

Kitchen sink mysticism ftw.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:15 (one week ago) link

xp Is that barrier not what makes it all the more compelling and appealing? For me it is tbf.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:16 (one week ago) link

Up to a point. Then again, I'm not much of an anglophile – anglo-agnostic is probably a better descriptor.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:20 (one week ago) link

omg

https://thequietus.com/articles/17205-richard-dawson-interview-2

"Dawson hides his intent in plain sight, threading his lyrics with plenty of clues. The assailant outside the chip shop (Thadeus); the lad who cracks his head open (Peter); the pupil who “fills a Reebok Pump with the pulp from his belly” (Simon) and the object of his affections (Bartholomew); the lad who gobs at the narrator (Matthew); his neighbour who “lost two fingers to a Staffie-cross” (Andrew) who works at a no win no fee solicitors (James and James) and even the brand of screwdriver he injures himself with (Philip) are all the names of Christ’s apostles. (He hides his intent elsewhere as well. The two instrumental tracks on the album are called ‘Doubting Thomas’ and ‘Judas Iscariot’.)"

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 11:01 (one week ago) link

xp Aren't we all in a way? :) (I hear you though)

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:23 (one week ago) link

xp [eric wareheim exploding head gif]

devvvine, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:29 (one week ago) link

Most of it just reminds me of Half Man Half Biscuit.

fetter, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:06 (one week ago) link

the other great uk folk-rock act of our time, but there's a distinct spirit

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:17 (one week ago) link

The potato line in Shapeshifter is bugging me. They weren't introduced to the UK until 1586 or whenever, so how is one in this song. I have tried googling "Richard Dawson potato" to no avail of an explanation from the author.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 4 November 2019 13:45 (one week ago) link

he did explain it somewhere - elements from all time periods are included by design. 'prostitute' has a prominent synth part!

imago, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:54 (one week ago) link

Poet(ato)ic licence.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 4 November 2019 13:55 (one week ago) link

Shapeshifters have also yet to be introduced to the UK

ogmor, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:56 (one week ago) link

That's what you think.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:41 (one week ago) link

They've been on the throne since the turn of the 18th century surely?

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:51 (one week ago) link

One's prime minister right now.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:10 (one week ago) link

giving his 2005 debut album a listen for the first time. found it in a charity shop for 50p a couple of years back and hadn't ever got round to playing it before. it's not especially good tbh, mildly eccentric in places but nowhere near as daring as what was to come. probably one for the sale pile i think.

the creator has a mazda van (NickB), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:29 (one week ago) link

Part of me would love to hear it. But I know he's disowned it, so the other half of me wants to respect that.

Duke, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:35 (one week ago) link

happy to share wavs or whatever if anyone is desperate

the creator has a mazda van (NickB), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:39 (one week ago) link

God I thought I was on the politics thread for a bit and we were talking about Boris Johnson. I need sleep

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:36 (one week ago) link


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