This guy is having an incredible year. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2 is my favorite mixtape of the year so far, and his debut EP for Def Jam, Hell Can Wait, is tentatively scheduled for a Sept. 23 release.
First single goes for the 1988 jugular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLfCBBcZAo
And "Hands Up," the follow-up track that leaked today, is really powerful (Def Jam pulled this morning's stream, but an official one should be coming soon):
http://www.djbooth.net/index/tracks/review/vince-staples-hands-up
Also I love the story telling on this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIdVsHpCvw&index=7&list=PLhak8UpIKsqU6yJaSdaSZwclm5aLYliQM
― Evan R, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
I listened to "Blue Suede" like five times in a row one day last week.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
yea i like this guy. he came across p smart in that p4k interview piece last week
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
"Hands Up" is streaming on Spotify; what a track:
http://open.spotify.com/track/1Ajp50IXWne7XVlH1zAktL
― Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
"Hands Up" is so fucking righteous
― Simon H., Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
I've liked this guy for a while, but he really leveled up with Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2. He's always been a gifted storyteller about his upbringing and background, but on Shyne he broadened his perspective.
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
His earlier OF verses are fun though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWOLOrlqFD0
I liked some of his OF verses but always wrote him off as a lesser copy of Earl, a Jesse Eisenberg of sorts to Earl's Michael Cera. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2, to overextend the analogy, felt like his Social Network moment
― Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
does that mean Tyler is Jonah Hill and "Wolf" is his "The Sitter"?
― alpine static, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
oh thank god, thought i was gonna have to start a Vince Staples thread up in here.
Most interesting rapper, with the greatest potential, since I've heard since Danny Brown hit.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
I wish I liked the new singles more than I do - the Shyne Coldchain tapes overshadow them.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:41 (nine years ago) link
loooove that shyne coldchain 2 tape
― just sayin, Saturday, 20 September 2014 03:21 (nine years ago) link
Hell Can Wait is good but it feels like a half-measure. Feel like it could have been a great album; instead it's a "digital EP."
Love the singles, though. Along with most of Shyne Coldchain 2 this is some of my fav rap of the year
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
This guy is doing message songs better than just about anybody right now.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link
aaaand... http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19849-vince-staples-hell-can-wait-ep/
is this EP srsly better than Shyne Coldchain? cause that would be something.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Very different vibe than Shyne Coldchain; much more militant and inflamed; a little less ruminative. It's awesome but in a different way.
I still think it's three songs short of being a complete artistic statement tho. The brevity works, but I want more.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
Senorita video is pretty great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAYMMod9Wo&feature=youtu.be
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
good song but sampling Future on the hook of a single in 2015 is a weird worst of both worlds move
― some dude, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
initial impression: album is a masterpiece
― Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
did it leak???
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
(i plan fully on buying this one but am v excited for this)
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
how d'you hear it ?
i like this itw :http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/09/vince-staples-interview-summertime-06
― ANU (sisilafami), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link
I've got a review copy. Kind of threw me at first, since it's not as singles minded as Hell Can Wait, but damn, he's got some jaw-droppers here, one after another for long stretches. It's absolutely incredible.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
oh mannnnnn
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Can't wait for this album
― pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
I don't know as much as I'd like to about the NBA, but I watched all of this just to hear Vince talk:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgJxxSH2Yg
― pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
is there stuff that goes even deeper than Hands Up?
― the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link
nothing is quite as hard as Hands Up, but there are songs that come close and he sustains that intensity for tracks at a time. Impressive that he pulls of a double album, given how brevity-minded his other projects have been
― Evan R, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
he was good on the nightly show. clever guy.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
new one, "get paid" http://vevo.ly/7Nscms
i dig how haunted this sounds
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
legitimately havent had as much anticipation for an album in a long-ass time
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
Senorita is dope. what's the concern about sampling Future?
― alpine static, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/2015/06/21/414701194/first-listen-vince-staples-summertime-06
:D
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link
can't stay up late to listen to the whole thing but went through the first three tracks and wow, norf norf is incredible in particular
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 04:02 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, this album is really something.
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 22 June 2015 06:02 (eight years ago) link
this is awesome
― the late great, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:19 (eight years ago) link
someone be sure to bump this thread when Vince makes a misstep ... ain't happened yet
― alpine static, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:44 (eight years ago) link
About halfway through the album, pretty great so far. Señorita sounds even better in context.
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
This is my fav AOTY so far
― Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
absolutely
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
the sound is practically skeletal and almost entirely minor key and that works perfectly the whole time w/o ever growing monotonous
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
you mean I have to stop listening to Miguel
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
yes alfred, just for an hour.
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
wildheart is def also gunning for the #1 spot tbf
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
it's been an incredible year
― Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
Wow. Miguel and Vince Staples arrive in one day. But yeah, this is great - almost too deep to take in. I like it that he's defined his musical aesthetic so clearly that this isn't a double album grab bag of stuff. It's just one dope track after another where I'm mesmerized by his voice. A little like when I first heard Nas.
― paulhw, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link
so this is a good album
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
"norf norf" is so fucking great
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
i'll have to stop listening to this to hear Miguel, not the other way around #priorities
― alpine static, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
if this season of true detective was in compton, "dopeman" would be a perfect theme song, so quietly menacing. it's sort of an interstitial more than a full fledged song but I love it
― definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link
this is soooooooooo good
― the late great, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
It is but too long imo
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
I haven't even listened to the second disc yet
― the late great, Sunday, 28 June 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
This could be forever, babyThis could be forever, babyThis could be forever, babyThis could be forever, maybeDo you like the sunshine, do you like the snow?Do you wanna talk about it, or be alone?I think that you should know that, this could be forever, baby
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 12:48 (eight years ago) link
dragged my sick self out of the house to buy a copy of this & it was sold out, which makes me happy tbh. good for vince.
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
this album is pretty special huh
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
I love it now.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
also really amazing sounding - the enormous bass!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
was just gonna talk about the bass. I think this album was made just strictly for my taste
― Spottie, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 06:25 (eight years ago) link
the "birds & bees" beat sounds like mezzanine-era massive attack
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 08:14 (eight years ago) link
Woah that is spot on
― Tim F, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 08:51 (eight years ago) link
that and all the featuring birds being of the topley variety
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 09:10 (eight years ago) link
ha -- I was going to say Angels with Dirty Faces
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 11:04 (eight years ago) link
i felt like there was a lot of tricky about vince himself, haven't worked out whether it was just the above sonic associations making me think so
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 11:15 (eight years ago) link
too early in the romance to say but this probably an AOTY contender for me.
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link
Tim!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:54 (eight years ago) link
Alfred?
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 02:12 (eight years ago) link
performing on Jimmy Kimmel tonight
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 03:07 (eight years ago) link
ha -- no, just surprised.
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:13 (eight years ago) link
idk I have pretty corny taste in rap and if you plotted a through line of my favourite rap albums of the last ten years or so it would lead straight to this.
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:07 (eight years ago) link
really loving this, love all the call and response female vox in this
also FUCK YOU VINCE for this little deep thought in "Surf"
More black kids killed from a pill than the FEDs in the projectsIn the planned parenthood playin' God with ya mom's check, you ain't even been to prom yetSixteen, heard you wanna be a star girlWhat he charge for the dream that you bought girl
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/201/480130703_be1d567d73.jpg
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link
The angle of "Can you believe this 22-year-old doesn't know about NWA or Public Enemy!?!?" in this article was pretty annoying:http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/stapless-center-getting-to-the-heart-of-things-with-the-summertime-06-rapper/
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
the 50 Cent was third grade thing was more o_O the terror of time & all its sickening crime for me, yikes
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
i want to believe that vince is more talking about the literal fact that underage pregnancies happen rather than passing judgment on how they're dealt with but at the same time the heavy christian influence among a lot of rappers does lead to some version of prolife opinions in several instances (theres an infamous ghostface lyric to this effect on pretty toney, iirc, for example)
(xxpost)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
damn this is kind of astonishing on contact
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
idk, kinda finding the whole mise en scene a bit prissy and ultimately detrimental for a rap alb tbh (tim trying to head this off at the pass i assume)
i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
not remotely in the mood for this atmos right now in fairness tho, maybe when my heart is full of murder like idk ilx eoy time it'll click a treat
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
idk i've found myself steadily entranced by this record, always starting it like "i mean this is good but idk if i'm into this into this" and by the halfway point i'm like "oh hell yeah"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
1-2 of "jump off the roof" and "señorita" helps
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
"Senorita" is like the worst song on the album imo, the random 2 Future bars looped as a hook sound awkward as hell
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
is this coming out on vinyl or am i gonnna have to find a Best Buy and buy the CD
― alpine static, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
yeah "Senorita" is my least favorite thing.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
idk it's fun y'all
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
hahaha
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:13 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that pro-life stance isn't uncommon in hip hop but it bothers the shit out of me
i think your interpretation is um...well let me just caution don't throw your back out doing those gymnastics
overall though this album is great! there's probably at least 1 completely deplorable line on every rap album i've ever loved, or a lot more, i don't mean to characterize vince as particularly bad, i dig his general vibe
that said I'm not sure if I like it more than Warm Brew & I would encourage anyone outside the goon thread to bump that album at least once
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
Vince is a pissy guy who says incendiary things, so that makes his pro-life lines a little easier to reconcile, since they fit his M.O. of lashing out at everybody. Not excusing them, of course, but it's less jarring to me than when somebody like Common drops judgey lines like that into their songs as if they're intended as gospel
― Evan R, Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
i mean i dunno that's basically just deciding a reason to give him a pass and not commmon
but wrt to common it's not necessarily jarring to me or unexpected because i feel like anti-feminism and pro-life stuff has always been a part of conscious rap because of 5 percenter stuff which is one of the cores of conscious rap wrt like Lord "trill o'reilly" Jamar
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
Haven't heard this yet, so no judgement (and never expect worthwhile social commentary from anybody in any medium, the more pleasantly to be surprised), but not into anti-contraception as "pro-life," nor "conscious" incl. anti-feminism, tho as former music retailer know how bullshit most tags are as anything more than convenience.
― dow, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
― Evan R, Thursday, July 2, 2015 3:41 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah god forbid a substantial, provocative and wide ranging album contain a line or two that doesn't perfectly align with our worldviews, let's definitely lose our shit about it
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link
I said I like the album, it's a great album how is that losing my shit
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Unless that was meant as a board description
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
Also Dow he's talking about the morning after pill not birth control, but actually being anti contraception is worse actually
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
as far as mental gymnastics go idk my back didn't hurt that much, I speculated he could literally just be saying "this shit happens" and not meaning "this shit happens and /is horrible across the board/," because this is an album with nuance in spades! if he does literally mean he opposes what he's talking about, I obviously feel the opposite and it bothers me. the possibility certainly bothers me
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
but would also surprise me, is all, bc vince doesn't seem in all his interviews and in the perspective he puts across through his music, to be a conservative dude who wants to slutshame or rope women into motherhood
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link
I think that verse needs to be seen in the context of the entire song, which I take as being about the reality behind the fantasy (first verse dealing with the glamour of being in gangs). "Sixteen, heard you wanna be a star girl / What he charge for the dream that you bought, girl?" and then later "I ain't really trying to judge / you be looking for somebody you can love / He was looking for somebody he could fuck / Took your body, wouldn't bother with you none."
i.e. taking the morning after pill at planned parenthood alone is the reality of the addressee's fantasies of fame/fortune/love.
You could say it's still slut-shaming (in a "don't let yourself get used" sense) but it doesn't strike me as pro-life really.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more like trying to greet it at the door like an old friend (and lol @ john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf)
― Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
After a couple listens this is probably my AOTY so far.
Putting aside the religious overtones, a lot of black people are very suspicious of planned parenthood which is entirely understandable given American history, and the wealth of misinformation available on the net.
While the suppression of the black population via family planning holds no water as a coordinated conspiracy, it manifests as a social reality when a hugely disproportionate number of aborted foetuses have always been black even when controlling for income. You don't have to be pro-life to believe that this is a problem.
Always thought the great thing about Common's Retrospective for Life was that it was reconcilable with a pro-choice stance.
― Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Friday, 3 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
I haven't given this a long concentrated listen yet which it kind of demands
i suspect ill end up liking it but i do find his voice non-dynamic in short bursts, and i wish his rapping showed more of the personality that he shows in interviews.
I suspect that I'm liable to treat this more like a 3/4 star album & come around more fully as he evolves as an artist. i don't want to sound down on it, it's "obviously" good, but i think in part i'm also just allergic to consensus
― supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link
lol maybe just listen to it until you can say something that isn't speculating on the arc of your own future opinions then
that said, i do agree that he's a hilariously funny guy who rarely puts that into his lyrics and it maybe wouldn't hurt if he tried it here and there. there's wit on the album but it's a very dry wit, he makes you work for it, for better or worse.
― some dude, Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
Al, give David a break. I've listened to this album twice and I know exactly what he means (and feel the same). It's an album to live with.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 July 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link
lmao
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJPypOZWUAAuLvG.png
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 July 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
getting an early Shabazz Palaces vibe from some of the beats on this
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
yeah that 50 cent line freaked me out!!!
this is still holding up well
Cali has been killing it the past couple years IMO when you think about it
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
boy this album gets better w/each play
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/media/202210/_original/1436372645/1035x1555-GettyImages-479419748.jpg
― just sayin, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:35 (eight years ago) link
Listened to this all the way through on my commute. Would have listened again if I hadn't arrived at stupid work.
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 08:29 (eight years ago) link
Feel like there's less digging to do with this album than To Pimp a Butterfly. All of its appeal is right in your face. Not that Kendrick's album isn't easy to get into, but it feels more like you're supposed to meditate on what it all means while you're listening to it. Whatever it is I'm trying to say, they're two of the best things I've heard this year.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 08:42 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I get that totally. The Kendrick album is great but I feel like I'm still 'reading' it after having heard it months ago. It's like the Moby Dick of rap albums or something: very enjoyable, but lots to analyse and unravel, which can get exhausting at times. Sometimes I wonder if I respect it intellectually more than I actually enjoy listening to it on a visceral level. I find myself dipping in and out but rarely have the patience to listen all the way through in one sitting.
But this album's so easy to get through, even as a double album it really flies by. It's so much fun and yeah the beats (and BASS) just don't allow for dull or overcomplicated moments.
― cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kgz1WGiXDc
great rapper but i now worry his music is keeping us from what could be one of the best comedians of our time
― soyrev, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link
(srsly the roll he hits at around 1:10 is unreal)
― soyrev, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:19 (eight years ago) link
lol
― A swarm of antipathy (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:48 (eight years ago) link
"tom cruise is underrated""why""cause the mission is impossible. and he pulled it off. three times."
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 July 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
so thankful Vince Staples doesn't try to be funny-funny on his albums
― Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
Just got the album today so have nothing useful to say about it (it's good, duh), but the Rolling Stone interview is pretty sharp. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/vince-staples-q-a-the-most-exciting-man-in-rap-drops-knowledge-20150708?page=3
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
Been listening to this all weekend. It's seriously good.
Been trying to figure out if Jump Off the Roof samples 'I Will' from Hail To The Thief or if they just sound a bit similar.
― cod latin (dog latin), Sunday, 12 July 2015 10:44 (eight years ago) link
well this is where the main sample is from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yA02FY7KU
― Number None, Sunday, 12 July 2015 11:03 (eight years ago) link
ah right cool.
― cod latin (dog latin), Monday, 13 July 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link
god, the production on this album is just what i want to hear. i could listen to 'Lemme Know' all day.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
I agree, though my favorite beat is the last track that gets cut off with static after like a minute. Frustrating!
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/arts/music/vince-staples-and-j-cole-outsiders-in-the-middle-of-hip-hop.html
― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
Mr. Cole, who produces as well as raps, feels like more of a deliberate conscientious objector than Mr. Lamar, who doesn’t have much of an ear for the accessible.
what?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
I agree, though my favorite beat is the last track that gets cut off with static after like a minute. Frustrating!― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, July 13, 2015 4:27 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, July 13, 2015 4:27 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Argh OTMx100. Just as it's about to go full-on too. Maybe that's going to be the start of his next record. Hope so.
― cod latin (dog latin), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
weird. that sentence sure is presuming a lot (after reading it a couple times, that j. cole could write hits but chooses not to, but kendrick can't do anything except what he shows on his records).
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 13 July 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
there's a lot of "what" in that piece
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 13 July 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
perhaps chief among the "what" is that the fucking lede is a discussion of the j. cole jacking off song, lol
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 July 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
btw i've never knowingly heard j. cole, but when i hear about him i think of j-zone and j-live.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 13 July 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
I don't know wtf a "deliberate conscientious objector" is. Is there an undeliberate one?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
Ha, spot on
― Evan R, Monday, 13 July 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
An unconscientious objector
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Monday, 13 July 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Accidental Objector (J. Cole ft. John Mayer)
― Evan R, Monday, 13 July 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Jzone and Jlive >>> Jcole
― Spottie, Monday, 13 July 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
^^^^^^
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 July 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
What kind of sound did you tell him you were looking for?Honestly, I didn't really tell him. I showed him pictures. I'd say like, "You know how Downtown L.A. looks?" I was like, "Make it sound like 5th and Hill, but up at the top of the hill."
― alpine static, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 05:05 (eight years ago) link
just realized i've been conflating No I.D. and Oh No :(
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
i'm having rap music alzheimer's or something
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
in the hood like a dollar sweet tea is a good line
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 2 August 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H8TLM_5q8
This just popped up on the Spotify Fresh Finds playlist for the week, pretty damn good!
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 13 August 2015 12:02 (eight years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2015/08/13/vince-staples-fake-hip-hop-heads/i like dude and don't even disagree with him but he's getting damn close to trenchant social commentary
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 August 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
a mistake you'll never make
― some dude, Saturday, 15 August 2015 08:39 (eight years ago) link
what a weird ad hominem sideswipe
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 August 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
thx, i heard this in the wild the other day and was wondering where it came from.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Saturday, 22 August 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
not ad hominem so much as an easy zing to make since saying someone is making 'trenchant social commentary' like it's a bad thing is such an ilx-specific inside joke
― some dude, Sunday, 23 August 2015 00:42 (eight years ago) link
i coulda just as easily have said "corny" tbh
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 August 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link
is there better bass on an actual good record this year? if so i wanna hear it
― alpine static, Sunday, 23 August 2015 04:11 (eight years ago) link
arguably ds2 but that's about it
― slothroprhymes, Sunday, 23 August 2015 05:24 (eight years ago) link
Great performance. Even this album's second-tier tracks are gold
http://www.illroots.com/read/vince-staples-lemme-know-ft-jhen-aiko-live-on-jimmy-fallon
― Evan R, Friday, 4 September 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
been jamming that track lately myself, cool
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 September 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link
"Lemme Know" might be my favorite thing on the album tbh
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 4 September 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
still listening to this album all the time. it's just so...listenable.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 4 September 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
second-tier though? to me 'Lemme Know' is the obvious single.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 4 September 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
What is the lyric you're most proud of?
My manager's favourite is: "A penny saved is a penny earned / So I'll be stacking up this copper as the city burn." Lot of people don't know there history of the crashes of copper, silver and gold. I got grades in history. My precious metal game is immaculate.
https://i-d.vice.com/en_gb/article/vince-staples-thinks-miley-owes-kendrick-an-apology
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link
You've also said if you're credited, you're not a ghost writer.
People don't know what the word "ghost" means - they've never seen Casper. I don't like children's movies that make you sad. My nephew made me see 'Up!' They got this old man who is about to die and his wife is dead. I don't want to get old now. You're just by yourself with a dog and the dog talks? I don't want to talk to the dog.
― Tim F, Friday, 4 September 2015 22:04 (eight years ago) link
lol wut
― the late great, Friday, 4 September 2015 22:07 (eight years ago) link
I fuckin love this dude
― alpine static, Saturday, 5 September 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
YOU A STREET PUNK
YOU A MOTHERFUCKIN STREET PUNK
― alpine static, Saturday, 5 September 2015 00:28 (eight years ago) link
That interview was pretty damn funny
― not a garbageman, i am garbage, man (m bison), Saturday, 5 September 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
"summertime" is outstanding
whole album is great
― marcos, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
this album is absolutely superlative
― twunty fifteen (imago), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
Vince just messes w/ ppl at every opportunity and it's the greatest thing ever
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 October 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link
New EP not v good
― Spottie, Monday, 29 August 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
― marcos, Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:03 PM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbh despite this post i think the first time i played this record was the best it sounded for me, haven't really gone back to it much
― marcos, Monday, 29 August 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
the EP is spotty for sure. he goes into a more nasal register in that last track which is not a good look.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 29 August 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
i like vince quite a bit but would tend towards listening to jay rock if i were in the mood for this type of stuff
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 August 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I absolutely hate this EP
― Evan R, Monday, 29 August 2016 18:14 (seven years ago) link
I don't know when 2016 decided to have James Blake ruin all my favorite artists but fuck that
these mopey acapella "blues" song interludes are p fucking annoying
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
i like it, but it's not particularly substantial, certainly not by comparison to the album
appreciate how thoroughly bleak it goes tho. (also.....where is james blake on this? like i know where he literally is - he produced "war ready" - but it's not like the song sounds like a fuckin james blake song lol)
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
best thing ever:
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/extremely-concerned-white-woman-recites-vince-stapless-norf-norf-through-tears
until this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhsl2Jvk9PI
― alpine static, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:21 (seven years ago) link
I like this EP a lot, "Smile" excepted.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
^^ how is that possible, Vince makes no missteps
― alpine static, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
so weird that she thinks vince staples is played on radio
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:48 (seven years ago) link
that was my reaction! where is Norf Norf playing on "top hits" radio?
― alpine static, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 07:31 (seven years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/columns/hip-hop/7534052/vince-staples-on-upset-christian-mother-she-has-right-to-her-opinion
― JoeStork, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
I love this response
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
man i feel old hearing her say "the top hits in my day were britney spears, christina, n-sync" like it's fucking buddy holly
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
fairly sure this is going to turn out to be a viral hoax -- the odds of a pop radio station playing meghan trainor and vince staples, given what gets radio airplay where, are not all that high, no one seems to be able to locate the original source (it was uploaded 1 month ago to a youtube account that seems to mostly repost other people's stuff), and the thing doesn't really pass a sniff test.
could be wrong, obviously
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
def jam marketing imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/arts/music/vince-staples-norf-norf-mother-video.html
our local sports talk morning zoo crew was making fun of this this morning
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:49 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
man i feel old -- because i think kids in the hall when i hear "fucking buddy holly"
― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
i feel old because i actually fucked buddy holly
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
Oh Boy!
― Spottie, Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
*crickets*
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
I'm buddy holly's dad, so
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Friday, 7 October 2016 10:34 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09miuOlLAiY
anyway, this is pretty great considering it sounds like he's really freestyling for a good bit of it
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
Vince's EPs always feel like letdowns.
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 9 October 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
It seems like a form where he and his producers are experimenting and trying new things, and inevitably nothing emerges from that where I'm like "you know what, I can't stop listening to this."
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 9 October 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CcgspNqxuQ
― ||||||||, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bmpvvlL40s
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l9kzS_B7gg
― devvvine, Thursday, 18 May 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
Boring. I don't understand the love for this dude.
― Benjamin-, Friday, 19 May 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
I like that one. hated his last ep tho.
― Spottie, Friday, 19 May 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
"BagBak" is immense
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 19 May 2017 09:14 (six years ago) link
Love this. Easily one of my favorite lyricists in hip hop atm.
My one issue with Staples is that his music can sometimes sound an like an obvious copy & paste job, inserting lyrics into a song written before he had ever heard the beat. To be fair, he's admitted that this is his process, and he'll occasionally sit on verses for years before he can find the right beat. Definitely contributes to his lyrical density. But his songs never have the fluidity of someone like Kanye or Young Thug. Plus they always feel like they're one verse too short.
That said I'm psyched for this album.
― Handsome Bookor, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
im not a big fan of his music but i feel bad shitting on it cuz he seems like a good dude
thats not a very critic-y pov but whatever
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 20 May 2017 00:30 (six years ago) link
best everyday struggle so far
― ||||||||, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
ilx where are you
― imago, Friday, 23 June 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
Terrific interview: http://pitchfork.com/features/interview/vince-staples-is-the-least-corny-man-in-america/
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
new album is fucking great
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
and 36 minutes!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
goddamn this is great
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
Sounding real good for sure.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
Is it too soon for an album to look a decade ago for sounds? Some of the beats and samples suggest Hot Chip and Burial.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
this shit is pretty fun imo
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 23 June 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
Really good album ender too -- knows how to wrap things up just right.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
Man, good for Zack Sekoff.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 23 June 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
like his rapping but the beats on this and on the last EP are reaaaaallly not to my taste. for "the least corny man in america" the production is very corny.
― na (NA), Friday, 23 June 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
I like the beats a lot, don't get what's corny about them at all tbh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
not my cup of tea
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
i actually dont mind the production so much because its at least original (relative to rap) but i think his rapping is just ok
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
"Party People"! Whole album's good but that one bangs.
I love that it feels like such a summer album, kind of simmering and hazy.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
this isn't really taking, still quite impressive but the previous album had higher highs I think
― imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 12:49 (six years ago) link
his opinions about art are some elitist trash fyi
― imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 12:50 (six years ago) link
the rest of the interview is good tho
― imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 13:00 (six years ago) link
I know it's lazy/convenient to lump Vince and Kendrick together, and I love them both, but I'm finding myself favoring Vince in the same way I'm a Grant Hart partisan in Husker Du. I recognize Kendrick is more important, but I like listening to Vince more. (That said, nothing on this album touches "DNA" or "ELEMENT.")
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
I'd put him below Jay Rock, Ab Soul and Schoolboy Q
even like Warm Brew tbh
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
― imago, Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:50 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao cmon dogg
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
I know he's fighting against other elitisms but that paragraph about preferring the idea of an elevated refuge for art is a turn-off I have to say
― imago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
only two listens into this so I don't have a judgement yet, but I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs. On that run from Shyne Coldchain II -> Hell Can Wait -> Summertime '06 I think he was on par with just about anybody else out there, but I don't hear any of that fire here.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
I'd put him below Ab Soul
ok this is heretical
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
To each his own. Part of what I like about Vince is his triphop/dubstep shading, which imo sets him apart from the Black Hippy pack. But that's not necessarily a plus for everyone.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
I do think Jay Rock has been unfairly slept on
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
I also love Vince's delivery, but I get how it could be too staccato for some tastes. I like his crispness -- even when he's mumbly, he's precise.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
He's sharper than Jay Rock, more entertaining than Ab Soul and not miserable like Schoolboy Q
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.
I agree with this, like it's cool that the tracks are unpredictable and have a lot happening, but they could use more rapping.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
m@tt you gotta take ab soul off that list its true.
― down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
7/10 UK house album, looking forward to the 'Little Fish Theory' remix album.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
okay ab soul might have been trolling but I'm 100% on Jay Rock and Schoolboy Q that's real talk
Jay Rock 90059 is such a great album, for whatever reason his thing is too normal street to have a media "narrative" but he's a fucking great rapper, I don't think him and Schoolboy Q are really far off Kendrick, they just all have their own things
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
I think Isaiah Rashad suffers from the same problem to an extent
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
this does make me appreciate the azealia banks album more in retrospect
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
agree w. matt, btw, and isaiah rashad is better than vince too imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
Yeah parts of this remind me of Azealia but that isn't a bad thing imo. Her actual music is not the problem with AB.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan),
otm. A pleasure to listen to, though, especially at night when I don't have to concentrate on the rapping
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:06 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol true.
― down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
hate everything about this record
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
yeh im not a fan. might hate it more than the ep.
― down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.
It's not exactly that he lacks presence, it's just the wrong kind of presence for these beats. Also SOPHIE can gtf.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song
― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
*needs to learn how
The grey-scale minimalism worked perfectly for him on Summertime, but no need to do it again I guess. I'd love to hear Ka produce a whole record for him though.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I love Ka but I can't imagine Vince on those near-ambient type beats
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
yeah if anything his best tracks are the loud busy ones, "Hands Up" "Blue Suede" "Norf Norf"
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
Norf Norf and Blue Suede are really minimal too though (but in a normal drums + 808 + synth line way)
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
The "I ain't run from nuthin' but The police" and those Joy Division synths are what I remember about "Norf Norf."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
http://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2017/06/vince-staples-big-fish-theory-producer-interview
When you're a producer and someone asks you for beats, you think, "Okay, let me think about their last record.” So I sent some beats that reminded me of Summertime '06 that were kind of "Vince Staples type beats" (laughs). But then I realized that wasn’t what he was looking for from me. He really didn't want me to project any sort of idea about what he might want.
So, then I started going over and hanging out with him at Ty's house and played beats for him—going to the weirdest ones that I thought he wouldn’t like. And he kept saying, "Yeah, go in that direction." One of those was the beat that became "Crabs In a Bucket," which was kind of my take on UK garage with swing drums. Around September of last year, I realized that was the sound he was listening to. He was listening to Detroit music and house music and just electronic music of all kinds.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
Yeah that's the thing, this is obviously the album he wanted to make. It's not like it's Vince Staples rapping plus some other music, it's all Vince Staples music.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
production sounds hella metallic on my headphones, kinda harsh
― j., Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
i like Vince but my friend said he sounded like Siri and that made me lol
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 29 June 2017 05:26 (six years ago) link
I really like the back third, like from Homage on.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Vince on Hot 97 w/Ebro
Probably the best interview with a rapper I've seen in forever, starts with Rosenberg trying to goad him into shitting on Tyga, then Vince completely in a very real and human way cuts through all that shit, calling him out without causing a beef, and then really gets into his life and the industry and analyzing the media in a very brilliant way. highly recommended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
Vince seems to usually be the smartest guy in any room he's in. for that reason alone i'ma trust his re-direction on Big Fish Theory
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
i enjoy this album for the most part, but i wish vince would attack the beat a little bit more, instead of the weirdly passive approach he takes on this album. he seems much less confident than usual, maybe because of the unfamiliar musical surroundings.
when kendrick pops up for his verse on yeah right, it's such a burst of energy and a major contrast to vince's approach throughout the album
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
Finally circling back to this to see if my initial "oh my god" reaction was a fluke
It wasn't; I am not sure what everyone who hates/dislikes this is reacting against.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
I think I get it (the ratio of rapping:not-rapping is unusual for what is ostensibly a rap record, especially a relatively short one; the beats are unorthodox in a possibly "dated" way; etc.) but I also think those are p dumb and unimaginative criticisms
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
I think I also hear what people are saying about him not being in MC "attack mode" or whatever but again I'm not sure it's really a problem against these beats (apologies if I am strawmanning anyone's complaints)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
It's funny that people think the beats are dated because, (I'm guessing?) the whole 2-step rhythms/Disclosure thing was like 2013? But I think texturally they're really forward-thinking in like a Flume/PC Music/FlyLo kind of way? Like trying to anticipate where beats are headed in the same way that, like, Charli XCX's recent stuff is. Remove a little of the rhythm and the Sophie stuff is not too far from what, like, Chino Amobi or Oneohtrix Point Never or w/e is doing
― Sutcliffe Juugin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
There's really only one part that sounds 2-steppy. And knowing that Seckoff is an L.A. beat scene kid who went to London and got interested in UK club music, the sound makes a lot of sense.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this has stuck in my head, I don't think its true, & even if it may be it doesn't really matter
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
the beats sound super-modern to me.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:46 (six years ago) link
watched vince's first weekend coachella set and it was great
as a bonus, he gave us this interviewhttp://www.vulture.com/2018/04/vince-staples-calls-out-r-kelly-during-coachella-interview.html
― mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
new album out tonight apparently
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
prediction: worse than the last one
― imago, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
nah i have high hopes, kenny beats production is a good sign
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
I like the album cover
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
last one felt like a misstep rather than a falling off, at least i hope i'm right.
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
I like the last one a lot.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
didn't hate it but none of it was as indelible as most of Summertime '06
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
apparently this new one is more of a stopgap / EP type deal.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
no static at alllll
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
"Fun!" features additional vocals by E-40
fuck yeah
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
they already collabed on a (kinda irritating, tbh) song earlier this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWJT9iUZKA
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
I don't really know Kenny Beats but I love that VS is sticking with a single producer (or very few) per record, I trust his aesthetic sense.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xp yeah the new one was a bit staid, 40 on a staples song a much more exciting prospect to me atm
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
im interested in hearing what Kenny has cooked up for Vince, he's a versatile guy who can work in many modes. He's all over the Rico Nasty album, he's done things for TDE, he's capable of doing dirty south things for guys like Key! and YoungBoy. Hard to pin down.
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
the same guy who made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4happ4TQU
made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWQFpLuOzkY
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
and this (gonna stop spamming a single artist thread with unrelated embeds now): https://youtu.be/VvsYa9hcFH0
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
listening now, very good so far. a lot more dynamic, less imposing than big fish theory
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
beats are great
as far as sub 25 minute 2018 rap albums go: Vince >>> Pusha
― devvvine, Friday, 9 November 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
New album????
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
it's just ok, imo
― bart harley-jarvis cocker (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link
same but i need to give it another listen
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
seemed a little dispiriting in a wayi was excited because i generally love kenny beats
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
"dispiriting" has been my general feeling re his last few releases. I don't detect a lot of enjoyment.
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
ever since he started spouting landlord shit about art his music went bad tbh
― imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link
landlord shit?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link
I like this album a lot
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 02:10 (two years ago) link
Gave this a cursory listen. Beats sound like trap by numbers and he sounds like he's rapping while looking at his phone. But I didn't hate it, will give it more of a chance.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 05:10 (two years ago) link
Kenny Beats seems like a very nice guy who mostly makes very boring beats. (Except for The Cave episode w/ Freddie Gibbs but that's down to the Lil Sko sample.)
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 06:15 (two years ago) link
Really want him to do another album with out there production (for modern rap standards) like on BFT. Really wasn't impressed with the new album besides maybe the first track
― ClimbingThieves, Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
This album (Ramona Park Broke My Heart) is really great huh
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 April 2022 18:20 (two years ago) link
I like it though I put on Summertime 06 the other day and I forgot how much energy he used to bring. His recent stuff is good but so much more muted.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 15 April 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
otm
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2022 19:02 (two years ago) link
Everything he's done since Summertime 06 has been a disappointment, of different kids. The tinge of anger that made him fascinating is mostly gone, and his beats are far less interesting.
― paulhw, Friday, 15 April 2022 19:41 (two years ago) link
i like the new album a lot, and respect how he's changed as an artist, but that hell can wait-summertime 06-prima donna era had something special, which he's lost.
xp idk i think the beats on the new one are very well done, if unflashy, especially the dj dahi joints - "dj quik" and "papercuts"
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Friday, 15 April 2022 19:44 (two years ago) link
The most interesting things he’s done since Summertime ‘06 are press interviews.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 15 April 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link
I give every one of these albums (or EPs, or “projects”) a shake. And every time I just can’t and don’t know why I hang in there.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 15 April 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
Actually, the 2016 Prima Donna ep is the most concentrated thing he's ever released, and the Andre 3000 appearance is his best in god knows how many years.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2022 20:39 (two years ago) link
why is everyone pretending that big fish theory was bad
― ufo, Saturday, 16 April 2022 00:56 (two years ago) link
I like Big Fish Theory — it’s my son’s favorite Vince Staples album, it has a following. The new one sounded good when he put it on in the car the other day, I haven’t yet given it a full listen. I agree overall that Summertime 06 is his best, I put that on the other week and even the tracks I’d forgotten were good.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 16 April 2022 02:09 (two years ago) link
the new one is fine and is a fair improvement from the last two which were very slight, but it's not really anything to get excited about like he once was capable of
― ufo, Saturday, 16 April 2022 03:46 (two years ago) link
feels like the tone of each progressive release just gets mellower
― mh, Monday, 18 April 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link
new show on netflix & he drew inspiration from roy andersson -
We take a lot of inspiration in Roy Andersson, one of my favorite filmmakers. In his film “A Pigeon Sat on a Branch Reflecting on Existence,” he has this shot in this restaurant or a cafeteria, where a lot of the people are separated by the pillars and just entering and exiting a frame. Things that are happening in the distance and things that are happening closer to camera, everything matters in the shot, especially when you stay within a wide. So I think operating within a wide sometimes allows you to bring subtle details and nuances to the shot, and the disposition of the people within the bank can speak to their relationships, speak to their experience.
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 15 February 2024 12:55 (two months ago) link
Thanks for reminding me - I want to check this out.
(Sadly the most excited I’ve been about Staples in a good long while)
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 14:21 (two months ago) link
Binged the show this weekend. The easy read is Atlanta-lite. What am I missing? Been into him since Shyne Coldchain but this just didn’t land. I hope there’s another season.
― avoid boring people, Monday, 26 February 2024 07:53 (one month ago) link