Disney's newest movie FROZEN, loosely based on The Snow Queen

I don't think we ever created a thread for this one? And then it went on to make a shitload of money and its soundtrack displaced Beyonce at #1?

I've seen it twice cuz lol disney nerd, and I've also been following discussions of it on the social justice-y parts of tumblr. It's the first Disney animated feature to have a female (co-)director, and it also has instances of Disney visibly struggling to address past criticisms of sexism/bad female role-modeling (a song about how the male love interest is a "fixer-upper" also includes the line "I'm not saying you can change him, 'cause people don't really change"; when it's time for the male love interest to kiss the girl at the end of the movie, he asks her permission first). But the cast is also 100% white people and I've seen complaints about how Disney used Sami culture in it (I'm less familiar with the particulars of that criticism).

Also the snowman isn't anywhere near as bad as the trailers made him out to be, and there are two gags lifted directly from Arrested Development.

also also i have my own idiosyncratic problems with it, particularly that the story is about two sisters who start the movie ADORABLY close to one another, and then the driving plot action is to have them stop being close for about a decade of their lives. the two little sisters being friends was SO CUTE and then they never really regain that relationship, even at the end when they are ostensibly reconciled.

I lasted til the second awful "I am a hopeful, empowered female" ballad. Horrific music.

My niece (7) loves it though. I'll be hearing the rest of it in the car next summer.

oh i also forgot to mention the movie's weird treatment of villainy! elsa/the snow queen is viewed by her kingdom as a villain, but she's not really; there is a conniving old man from another kingdom who insists she is a villain for political purposes; and then there is a SURPRISE VILLAIN whose cruelty felt like a cop-out to me, because it neatly "solves" a plot issue that would've otherwise been quite thorny and surprisingly nuanced for a disney film to handle! idk if i should get too spoilery about it at this point, maybe later.

my main problem with it is that there was way way to much sister and not enough Elsa being a bad ass snow queen. And too many songs. It focuses so much on the sister who just basically wants to marry a prince; I know there are a few twists in this, but Brave it is not.

sorta bummed about this movie tbh since andersen's 'the snow queen' is my favorite fairy tale of all time and it makes me cringe to think of it being given the 'disney musical' treatment.

The sidekick is egregious and not funny; he was made to sell plush toys.

The music is AWFUL.

My niece (7) loves it though. I'll be hearing the rest of it in the car next summer.

― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius),

you and me both, brutha

sung by the kid, offkey to boot

Knowing Disney this was made for gay uncles taking nieces to the movies on winter break.

not me! that's what mom is for.

The sidekick is egregious and not funny; he was made to sell plush toys.

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i dont know how many of these things you've seen but i promise he could've been so much worse

i was just blindsided today to learn how enormously popular this movie is. #42 on the highest grossing movies of all-time and #171 on the list adjusted for inflation.

the trailers made it look so awkward and ugly that i assumed it just kinda quietly slid out of theaters after doing decent numbers.

this movie was pretty awesome

yeah it was supposed to do comfortable box office and fade through Xmas and instead it actually got MORE popular with each week.

Josh Gad has now starred in a blockbuster animated feature, a Broadway hit, a primetime sitcom, and has been a Daily Show correspondent. and I've never heard of anybody liking him the slightest bit.

him & clark duke seem to have had disproportionate success

maybe "Jonah Hill is too busy/too expensive to do this" is an extremely fertile niche to occupy right now

plus Jonah Hill plays a Disney sidekick in WOWS.

clark duke sorta makes me irrationally angry. hes just this bland fuckin lump of shit

i first knew josh gad from that one episode of party down, but admittedly i can't remember if he was good in it.

gad's good in this though. if you've been exposed to enough of these movie sidekicks that are basically Animated Hitlers, you really appreciate how un-shitty Olaf The fucktard Snowman actually is

Charlie Saxton is outchea waiting for any roles Hill, Gad, and Duke all turned down too

don't forget Josh Gad's role as Steve Wozniak in JOBS!

this movie made a metric fuckton of money. was also one of the 2 films in the top 10 grossing of 2013 that wasnt a remake or sequel. (gravity is the other)

Yeah, I liked this very much, although I felt like they didn't spend any time setting up the "SURPRISE VILLAIN". My son disagreed with me though and pretty much could tell that SURPRISE VILLAIN was a villain from the start.

i could too. his lips were too thin or something.

i saw this in french by the way!!

how was it

i was surprised by the surprise villain and thought it was a cool twistaroo, the only visual cue i can think of that hinted at it is that he has sideburns

it was good in french. it was nice not knowing who was doing the voices.

when the ice-cutters were singing at the beginning i was sort of imagining that the whole thing was taking place in northern quebec or something

(spoilers for the SECRET VILLAIN)

when i saw this the first time, i thought it was super-weird but kinda interesting that anna was basically experiencing two different kinds of disney love stories simultaneously: "love at first sight" and "this shared journey will bring us closer together and we'll fall in love." i was wondering how the hell they were going to have her deal with it; making one of the guys a secret sociopath felt like a cheap way to resolve things, particularly when there was a scene early on where the secret sociopath looks adoringly at anna when no one else is around to observe his private actions.

then again someone on metafilter said it was a great plot device because it teaches young girls to never trust a man they've just met because he might be a secret sociopath.

it was good in french. it was nice not knowing who was doing the voices.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i actually didnt recognize anyone's voices, which was really refreshing

XP: yeah, that was my experience as well. When I.saw that dichotomy set up, I was expecting it to lead to a more mature resolution.

This is my favorite movie of 2013. Felt it worked in every way, as a work addressing the Disney formula filmmaking-wise and politically, as a musical with great numbers, as a story on its own, the characters were captivating and unpredictable, the sidekick was not annoying but contributed positively to the humor and warmth of the story. Genuinely feels like the perfect Disney film. The villain twist: Why does it need to set up the surprise villain if he's a surprise villain? When we don't follow him along every step. She didn't get to know him and thought he was worth marrying - we didn't get to know him and thought he was marriage material, and then when we do get to know him - surprise, he's an asshole. Some people are, that's what I got out of it, and to be sure that's true.

Ideologically speaking, unlike Brave, where the female character is predictably the victim of a plot where that's something she has to defend herself again, work out, not just a character on her own, Frozen is not about her being female, it just follows naturally the relationship between two women, and some male side characters. There's no visible 'struggle' with subverting the limited Disney princess role.

Above all Frozen shows us how necessary it is to have a Disney in form to get big old musicals at their best in cinemas. There are no other films like this in 2013 or any year and when they've worked out their kinks like this the future should be bright. Jennifer Lee is one to watch, anyway.

Those moments when Elsa hurt Anna (physically) and was close to killing off her and some soldiers were wonderfully tense without being too loud about it, thrilling in that you weren't exactly sure what to make of her as a character (a good thing) and what it would to do her, what she would do to others, and of course the swagger of the Let It Go sequence, a character expressing the thrill of being something special and alone and not only gloom and emo over it. So many COOL moments animations-wise as she established her snow kingdom.

but what about those horrendous songs?

I did guess the 'surprise' ending, or at least what it entailed...

Not because I'm so brainy, there was a massive clue about 30 mins before the end.

http://everythingwrongwithfrozen.tumblr.com/

recommended reading

shit. I hadn't even thought of it that way.

#I'm going to turn into a cat I'm so mad

So I guess this movie is a giant hit? Makes sense. Not only has there been little animated competition this season, but the weather has driven a lot of people indoors (I wonder if movie tickets in general are currently up?). Also, apparently this movie has really connected with tweens.

liked it. nowhere near as much as abcfsk, but still, like is like. agree that many (most) of the songs are horrendous, but "let it go" is good enough to make up for a lot of that. and the filmmakers were kind enough to keep most of them quite short. also like that the movie passes the bechdel test on an integral level, not just in terms of its dialogue. the romance stories were given a fair bit of screen time, but everything hinges on the relationship between the sisters.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/10/christian-radio-host-disneys-frozen-is-satanic-tool-for-indoctrinating-young-lesbians/

Blows my mind what a sensation this mundane movie has become. It's basically just a bunch of trudging up and down a mountain in the snow, broken up by the filler of perfunctory (and mostly passive) villains and a talking snowman. I've challenged many a teen or pre-teen to tell me what the movie is about. Not what happens, but what's it about, and generally they're at a loss. Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter). Then she ... chills out, realizes, wait, she does love her sister (was there ever any doubt?), which ... thaws her heart. And all is good. I liked "Enchanted" a lot more.

My daughters asked me to come up with a few sequels, so here's what I spitballed:

Frozen 2: Anna and Ilsa open an ice cream parlor, but they lack the business savvy to go big. A mysterious stranger arrives in town and convinces Ilsa to work with him. He instead enslaves her and steals her powers, thus cornering the ice cream market, and Anna (and later Ilsa, after she escapes) must figure out how to stop him *without* magic. They succeed, and the movie ends with all well and Ilsa powerless ... or so we think, as she gives a frosty wink after the credits roll. Which sets us up for:

Frozen 3: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Thawy: Ilsa is still keeping her powers a secret when a heat wave hits their wintery hamlet and puts an end to their flourishing ice trade. Ilsa tries to cool things down but finds out she really is powerless and unable to help. What gives? So she and her sister must go on a quest together to the heart of elf country and find out what happened. It turns out there was a prince (!) who was similarly cursed, only with heat powers. Ilsa and Anna must stop him, they succeed, and then Ilsa marries him in an elaborate fire and ice ceremony.

Frozen 4: This one is just Anna and the snowman, and probably the guy with the reindeer, too. They're out exploring when some freak accident frees a bunch of mean frozen dinosaurs and wooly mammoths and stuff, which rampage through the town until they're stopped. (The original team has nothing to do with this installment, which is designed for the straight to video market.)

Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter).

Never realized the emotional realities of Scandinavians would enchant the world to the tune of $1 billion.

That's reductionist bullshit - every movie can be summed up by seemingly mundane ingredients.

Well, yeah. But this one in particular I didn't feel like there was enough story to support its running time (not that it was imposing or anything). Like, the innate conflict seemed pretty easy to resolve, and a lot of the other stuff seemed peripheral or perfunctory, like the loss of the parents (natch), the mustache twirling bad guy, the snow monster, the gnomes, the snowman. They felt like placeholders to me, insubstantial subs for real villains or conflicts. Even the quest, as such, of the younger sister entailed walking up a hill to talk to her grouchy sister. It was fine, but I felt no thematic/narrative through-line, just ... stuff happening.

I'll have to ask my 5 year old a little more what he thought it's about. I think he mostly liked the snowman and the reindeer, and there was just enough "super powers" stuff. He dug how Elsa created the snow castle.

Yeah, that's what I mean. There's a lot to like and enjoy, but the sum is less than its parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hJYS6XNiw

I can relate.

I finally saw this and I loved it

The whole 'do you wanna build a snowman' thing reminded me a lot of growing up with my younger sister, who always wanted to play and I always wanted her to leave me alone

idk

I'm a sap but I loved the music, dug the story, enjoyed that the true love's kiss came from the sister and not the dude. the twist was a bit forced but overall I really really enjoyed it

oh and I really loved Kristen Bell as Anna, singing and speaking

every time i see images from this movie i can't get over how terrible the character modeling for the snowman is. it looks like it came from this:
http://axxomovies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sir-Billi-2012-Movie-Poster.jpg

I really enjoyed Frozen, but not as much as Tangled and Wreck It Ralph, and I'm intrigued how it's become such a massive, record-busting success in comparison. I guess part of the reason was that Tangled came after a series of relative flops (though the Amy Adams live-action crossover thing did pretty well IIRC), and part of Frozen's success can be traced back to Disney being "rehabilitated" in people's eyes by it and WiR?

every kid wants to sing the songs

girls

is the real answer

My five year old son is obsessed, but his best friends/playmates are girls, so maybe.

hey I bought the soundtrack as soon as I heard it so... um yeah what shakey said

GIRLS! :D

stay@home mommy bloggers?

Lool, Sir Billi is a huge standing joke in my household

Just need to register how bad this was on the relevant thread

i still maintain that hans being evil was not intrinsic to his character at all, but was instead a manifestation of lazy plotting. i have maintained this so firmly for so long that my sisters bought me a 12-inch-tall hans doll as a joke. when my young cousin comes over, we play a game where hans cordially greets her barbie dolls and then tries to murder them, which i realize now isn't supporting my argument.

lol

Lmbo

I think Disney's mastered the ol' fashioned whisper campaign as huge part of their marketing strategy; that the phrase 'frozen is the best disney film since X' wak just mysteriously everywhere during the initial run of this flick.

My girls (5 & 3) are obsessed and can now pretty much recite the script by heart. And a bunch of tweens at the park the other day were playing all the songs on their phones - reminded me of girls singing all the songs from Grease all summer of 1977 when I was a kid. I'm surprised how much I enjoy it. Much as I also like Tangled, that still felt like a quite traditional musical in many ways - the Gothel songs in particular. Frozen feels like the first post-Buffy OMWF Disney joint - didn't Christophe Beck do music for both?

My little girl is still wearing a winter glove* with a snowflake on it because of this movie. She calls it her Ice Glove.

*yeah, we lost the other one somehow.

This was kind of bad and it looked really ugly. IDGI. My two-year-old seemed into it though.

also how come all the women have huge-ass eyes and the men have normal sized, proportional eyes?

I used to think so too; I figured gayness had screwed my eyesight.

I dont even want to know what depravation might cause that, fr o'brien was right about ye

on Easter weekend, i was at a big family gathering, and some of the kids were playing in a room with the Frozen soundtrack in a CD player, some funny exchanges. one boy: "this is a girl song, I hate girl songs." a girl replies: "then why were you just singing along with it?"

I never truly realized how ubiquitous this film had become until a month ago when both a co-worker and my niece (just turned 5yo) separately asked me if I'd seen it yet

I was with my daughter in line to get her face painted at an Easter thing a few weeks ago with about 20 other young girls. "Let it Go" came on the radio and the whole room turned into a weird Manchurian Candidate moment when they all just glossed over and began singing in unison without missing a beat or even seemingly aware of each other.

Then I realized this is going to be their thing, like Grease or the Spice Girls or whatever. Funny to see it happen at such a young age.

There's still something very cheap looking about the cgi to me. It looks too glossy or something, and the people are too symmetrical and move too smoothly.

my son definitely sang along to "Let It Go" like he had never sang along to a song before, on like his 2nd viewing of the movie. that song has some kind of crazy grip on the young ones.

Funny, I've been thinking about this movie recently because of all the "OMG I CAN'T TAKE THESE FROZEN SONGS" from parents on my FB feed and elsewhere. I took my two sons (now 6 & 9) to it when it came out, and they really liked it but did not become obsessed with it (tho the youngest keeps asking to see it again). I thought it was not a very good movie -- felt sort of stapled together -- but I did think it was interesting. So dogged in its determination to flirt with and then invert the classic Disney princess tale -- the untelegraphed late-chapter evilness of Hans, the way Kristoff is set up to be the savior but then isn't. I'd like to think (wishfully, probably) that what draws girls in particular to it is that it is so much a girls' story. Even more than "Brave," which still revolved around the girl rebelling against being a proper princess. Anna and Elsa don't have any problem with being proper princesses, but they're also totally in charge. The men in the movie are all in supporting roles. The central conflict is between sisters -- and it's especially interesting that neither one is evil in the classic Disney style. Elsa is just afraid to be herself.

I don't know, the whole thing is clunky and problematic on a lot of fronts once you dig in a little. But it still seems like a significant phenomenon to me.

Thought that occurred:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409032203/frozen/images/8/8e/Kristoff.PNG

It's styled modernly, but dude totally has James Spader 80s hair

Yeah, I appreciate all that stuff as the father of a daughter (xp) but at the same time I wish the female characters could do all that stuff while also not having grapefruit-sized eyes and stringbean-sized arms

The vid for the song has like 205M+ views on YT so far.

it just feels like there's still something very diminishing about the way the women are portrayed in these ostensibly modern strong-woman stories

tbf I could say the same thing about Girls (in a metaphorical sense - obvs they have normal sized eyes and arms)

i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie

like

i kind of want to just yell MAYBE IT ISN'T FOR YOU or something idk

it's kind of making me crazy but i can't really articulate any of it because I'm still feeling like a corny goob so

That is one of the odder things, like yeah, the plot and character designs are heading in completely opposite directions.

would have been an easier thread/stronger plot to maybe have focused more on elsa and make it a real inversion of the disney evil queen trope imo, as was we only got ten mins of her here and ten mins of her there and the rest was snapshots from other disney movies (oh look! that horse (again) oh look! quaint quasi-natives with a refreshingly detached outlook (again) oh look! our protagonist (gender irrelevant) has fallen in love in ten mins (again) BUT WAIT it was a TRICK oh look! tho it's ok she fell in love with another stranger instead, this time it took a whole night and he was a weird guy lived in the woods by himself oh well that's ok too i guess oh look! we've got conflict between siblings/friends that didn't make any sense but oh look! it got sorted there just before the end and we've all learned eh something.

My daughter's obsession with Frozen in general and Let It Go in particular led me to write something about it the other week:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/10/frozen-let-it-go-disney-hit-adolescent-lgbt-anthem

Nice d/n resonance too

xp Well after spending a few days stuck together going through a whole lot of dramatic events it's not really that unusual for people to develop feelings and kiss (he even asked permission!), and they didn't get engaged this time. Don't know why the siblings/friends conflict doesn't make any sense to you. And the story's moral of 'hey maybe locking away and keeping in check whatever makes you special or not like others is not the greatest idea' seems obvious enough and that works pretty well for me.

Nice essay DL!

Elsa's journey is an interesting one. Scared of power leads to fuck you guys I got power which leads to I got power but lets not be a dick about it is a really strong and interesting moral and seems somehow more complex than the "be true to yourself" Shrekitudes I expected.

I had problems with her power. So, it's so powerful she can't control it, almost kills her sister, sends the village into eternal winter, OK. Never mind the fact that that seems like just the sort of thing you should lock away, when she finally snaps she seems to have no prob focusing her power enough to build a Fortress of Solitude and snow monster. Also, where did the power come from? Is she just a mutant? Deus ex trolls never quite explain. It's definitely more complex than "be yourself" because it's never quite explained. Is the problem not being able to control it? Is the problem suppressing it? Is the problem not loving her sister? Loving her too much? Suppressing her love so that she won't kill her?

I bet my daughter would have a great time watching Doc McStuffins with you guys.

i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie

I don't think I'm "second-guessing" anyone else's liking it so much as just saying I didn't like it?

I mean there's just my "I personally didn't like it" level of not liking it, and then there's the more abstracted level of imagining what kind of messages I would like my daughter to get about women from movies in the future. The latter isn't really a big deal when it comes to a single film -- people get lots of different messages from lots of different kinds of media, and one movie doesn't make much difference, but since it's being touted as being some kind of great leap forward in the portrayal of women in Disney movies I guess I am kind of questioning that. But I certainly wouldn't "second-guess" anyone for liking it -- not everything has to send the right message.

there are things are not very good and yet achieve massive popularity

there are also things which become culturally inescapable for a moment or two and then prove not to be epochal

there are also things which are really well marketed product which manage to incorporate their defense on nominally progressive grounds into their appeal as product

kind of an undignified move to swipe the climax from brave, though

weird, my daughter saw this movie with my mom and yet I have never heard this song

Holy shit! We have a friend whose young child is dying of cancer (which is of course horrible and heartbreaking). But she knows someone who knows Kristen Bell, and Bell not only called up her child as Princess Anna, but had Josh Gad call as Olaf, too! It's making me weepy even typing this. What an incredibly generous thing for them to do.

Awesome!

wow, that is fantastic!!!

omg

Awes

Aw man, that is so wonderful!

fwiw this movie has grown on me, if only by force. Good story, a lot of nice animation even though I still think the characters' faces look off, and even though the music has an irritating broadway sheen, the songs are very clever. Anyway, I have no choice! I have a two-year-old daughter.

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

I enjoyed the second half a lot more, when they seemed to have got most of the singing out of their systems.

There is no relative greater or lesser "enjoyment" for me, it is simply the fabric of my waking hours

thank god my niece is a Scooby Doody kinda gal

watched it for the first time at the weekend. loved it. some of the songs are maybe a little bit by the book - quite deliberate rip of "Defying Gravity" mainly. people who hate musicals are disgusting savages tbh.

some of the animation set-pieces/painterly stills are tremendous too

and now away again before the curmudgeonly goths gather

meh. I love musicals so less of yr blanket slurs.

obv then i wasn't referring to you

thought you liked this anyway?

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2) wrote this at 2014-06-17 02:05:18.000

Right there with you on this one.

Sometimes it's just a loop of "The picture of so-PHIS-tuh-cay-tehhhhd grayyyyyyce"

I've watched this like 10 times, but I just realize last night that when Elsa leaves Arandelle, she's running on foot across ice, then Anna chases after her like five minutes later on a horse, but the next thing we know, Elsa's on top of the North Mountain and it takes Anna most of the movie to catch up to her. Weird timeline glitch.

Well, she loses the horse, wanders around for a while in the cold, getting chased by wolves probably set her back a few.

But it seems like she should have caught up before any of that happened. Like in a couple of minutes.

iirc tho she was an ice queen by then so probably surfed her way up the mountain iceman style

also, anna is mocked for wanting to marry man she has just met, ends the film in love with 2nd man she has just met (like 24 hours later).

this will have been noted upthread

Well Anna is mocked for planning to marry Hans immediately, which is different from being in love with someone.

There's a lot of time/space stuff that doesn't make sense to me in the movie. But yeah, we're probably just underestimating Elsa's magical icy steez.

The biggest problem in the plot was when they kinda just decided that Hans was evil. Seemed really badly done.

the thing that bothered me most was what elsa was gonna eat while she hid out in her ice castle

snow cones duh

the one thing

test audiences reacted negatively to a scene in which elsa methodically tracked and killed a reindeer for its meat.

even some throwaway scene would've been good like maybe after she sings let it go and the whole ice palace is erected and then there's a knock on the door and it's like the dominos guy and he's like yo here's the pizza you ordered and she's like do u have change for a 20 nm keep the tip etc to establish immersion and credibility

It bugs me in "Love is an Open Door" when they sing "it's funny how we finish each others' ... sandwiches" because a) they stole this joke from "Arrested Development" and more importantly b) it makes no sense in context because they literally just met that day, how do they know they finish each others' sandwiches? Is there a deleted scene where they eat sandwiches?

The writers claim they did not steal the joke from AD
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1xj4n5/hi_reddit_we_made_frozen_ask_us_anything/cfbt407

i knew hans was a baddie from the beginning because his lips do a kind of flat sunken thing that heroes' lips don't do. it's hard to explain. plus he's not any kind of underdog, he just shows up regally, meets cute with anna, no sweat, like he just choppered in from monaco or something.

do you think he was a baddie from the beginning? bc after the song he looks all lovelorn under the boat in the water even tho nobody but the horse is watching him. is it possible he was in love w/ her but changed his mind later on? idk i find it all very confusing.

The sandwiches bit is a clue that he's not being honest, because it's NOT what he was going to say.

i don't mean that he had bad intentions all along, but that he didn't fit the way that heroes are set up in these sorts of movies, so it was clear to me a twist of some sort was coming. plus he had villain's lips.

My sister took her 11yo daughter to the Broadway musical... for the SECOND time in SIX WEEKS today. Disney bondage is an amazing thing.

your sister sounds like a good mom, wkiw

yep

they're also building a dance studio in the house for the aspiring princess

that's awesome

sounds like an easy conversion too if she loses interest

your sister sounds like a really good mom, wkiw

otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLe4HuKuK0

My daughter, who hasn't talked about Frozen much the past few years, just mentioned last night that she wants to watch it again. Looks like we'll be doing that tonight and tacking this on at the end.

I'll say it again here -- my one wish for the new movie is that it treats Olaf's Frozen Adventure as non-canon!

That epic short was a real stinker.

It sure was!

Merch for the new movie has been flooding stores over the past few months... I'm sure you could piece together most of the plot just by looking at that stuff (to say nothing of storybook adaptations; though maybe those are held back until release).

I joked to my wife ("Spoiler alert!") that one of the playsets at Target is called "Anna's Funeral Pyre."

(I am known around the house for my sense of humor.)

havent been following was this Frozen film popular with young girls then or what

I'm seeing it tonight. My daughter is super-stoked. I'm cautiously hopeful.

There's one line in the trailer where Anna's like "I climbed the North Mountain, survived a frozen heart, and saved you from my ex-boyfriend..." where I just hope this thing isn't overburdened with self-referential expository dialogue.

i love Frozen so i'll be doing my best to never watch this one

Yeah, I don’t have high hopes... They’ve haven’t yet known how (or wanted?) to do anything new with the idea (both the shorts have leaned heavily on revisiting familiar elements from the movie; though I do like Frozen Fever).

Plus, this looks like a “journey of discovery” plot, which feels like kind of a punt. Trolls World Tour may end up doing a better job with the same basic concept!

 I just hope this thing isn't overburdened with self-referential expository dialogue.

Listening to the soundtrack and there are outtakes that beat most of the songs in the actual movie. This movie had the potential to be a lot better at one point.

Lol, you mean like before they made it? My older kid is seeing it right now, I'll report back with a 15-year old's perspective.

Daughter's report: the story is forgettable/not important; the songs are good, though not as good as the first movie or "Moana;" a lot of the movie is really funny, especially the snowman; there is one sad part. She liked it.

Seeing this tmrrw; will report back. (I’ve consistently heard that it’s kind of sad; the “‘80s-style” song is funny; and the story is somewhat confusing.)

The soundtrack has been growing on me a little bit over the past week, but I still don't think anything rises to the level of the songs from the first one. The 80s ballad (Lost in the Woods) was kinda funny, sure. But my experience was that it was tonally weird in the movie. Like, it would have made a great YouTube short or something.

I disagree that story is unimportant! I just think that it was told in a really slapdash way.

I'd also like to add the caveat to all my criticisms that I had a long day at work and a rough commute home before I saw it, so there is a possibility that I went into it subconsciously looking to be let down. Will probably try to see it again with my kid if we get the chance.

My younger daughter (12) reported back, too. She was maybe a hair more positive than my older daughter, but both seemed to really enjoyed it. She's made a good case that this movie's wannabe anthem is good but probably too hard to sing to stick like "Let It Go." She did like the '80s song (which I haven't heard yet), and as for story, thought that things kept resolving and rebooting too often. "We have to do the thing to do the thing! Ok, now it's done. Oh, wait, now we have to do the other thing!"

The plots of these films have sure gotten more complex over the decades, huh? Never really thought about that before.

The last one I saw (Coco, which is technically Pixar, but I’ll cite it anyway) felt like it had one too many twists/reveals/reversals as it reached its big climax. (Didn’t help that most of the movie was just kind of “walking around.”) Talk about a poignant ending, though!

Well, I enjoyed the movie... the beginning is pretty slow and pedestrian-feeling, which is a notable contrast to the original (I feel like the economy of storytelling at the beginning of Frozen is a highlight). But once the movie gets where it's going, it has a sort of gravity and integrity. I like how -- for better or worse -- it feels like a product of the same creative team as the original. And while the plot has some issues, it feels suitable & satisfying as a continuation/conclusion of the story. Overall, the movie doesn't feel like a "cash grab" or awkwardly grafted-on (...like Olaf's Frozen Adventure did!).

The songs were good, though not quite as good as before; and there's probably one too many of them. (Some of them are also clearly meant to be analogues to specific songs in the first movie.) But the lullaby ("All is Found") is beautiful; particularly the Kacey Mugraves version over the end credits. "Lost in the Woods" isn't the '80s pastiche I was expecting... it's more a straight-up tribute to (or parody of) Peter Cetera's "The Glory of Love."

There's a one to two minute scene in the middle of the movie in which Olaf reenacting the entire plot of the original movie.

This was a highlight! They did a good job with Olaf and his schtick in this film. Also, the (related) final gag scene is worth sitting thru 10 minutes of credits, and a Weezer song, to see.

One more thing: the animation was awesome (as you’d expect). We saw it in a big, plush, Dolby-equipped theater, and the tech details were top-notch.

There is some interesting visual analysis and other tidbits in this article I just found (while searching for something else): https://www.insider.com/frozen-2-details-you-missed-2019-11

There's a Weezer song in this? And a Panic! at the Disco song?!

Yeah — P!ATTD does “Into the Unknown” over the end credits; K. Musgraves does the lullaby; and Weezer (superfluously) performs “Lost in the Woods.”

(Then there’s a few minutes of score... long-ass credits!)

Visually I thought this was stunning, and *cinema is a visual medium* after all. The plot was sort of inscrutable, but I liked the mood and feel of the whole thing, it felt very folkloric and took some steps outside the typical linear disney story structure (while still having a few key parts of it). I didn't actually care that much that I didn't like the plot. The songs were bad and took me out of it -- the 80s ballad was *funny*, but it was still a big "why?" for me.

Myself, I’ve been kind of obsessed with a few of the songs... have been not-so-subtly suggesting to the family that we see the movie again.

(“Lost in the Woods” is not one of those songs, btw... though I do think it’s better than “Fixer-Upper” (the “funny” song from the first movie). I also think it serves a purpose and expresses something about Kristoff and his relationship w/Anna, both generally and in that moment.)

I felt like the music in the first one managed to stay more consistent with the tone of the movie itself -- even the fixer upper song, while corny, suited the troll scene. But here it seemed all over the place.

This was a good film for the white folks

xp I agree that most of the songs in the first movie are hard to beat; both "tunefully," and in how they convey plot & character details... this is particularly true of the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" > "For the First Time in Forever" > "Love Is an Open Door" triad. (And, of course, "Let It Go" is sui generis.)

That said, I haven't been able to get "Some Things Never Change" and "Into the Unknown" out of my head...

I also think “Show Yourself” is cool (it reminds me of a 10,000 Maniacs song); I like how it echoes the “Into the Unknown” melody, and builds to a big duet crescendo. Though I wish they had taken one more pass at the lyric — ”I’ve always been different / Normal rules did not apply...”

(My wife walked in earlier while I was folding laundry and listening to this soundtrack from my cellphone speaker.)

I've seen Frozen 2 reportedly making $739 million domestically, with a record breaking Thanksgiving weekend. So as also reported, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker will likely become Disney's seventh $1 billion film this year. Talk about cornering the box office, apparently Disney is the box office.

that's the worldwide gross.

is there any logical explanation for a) how anna and elsa immediately recognized their father as a youth in the ice sculpture, when they have no idea what he looked like as a youth, and b) simultaneously did not recognize their mother as a youth in the same sculpture until later

keep in mind that the movie tells us that photography has been invented in the 30-40 years that have passed since the events of the flashback. which was a weird touch.

this movie was fine but it was so unnecessarily heavy. every character dealing with their own trauma and misery, including the one comic relief character going through an existential crisis. the water horse was cool though.

xxpost Ah, ok. I've seen it reported different ways.

is there any logical explanation for a) how anna and elsa immediately recognized their father as a youth in the ice sculpture, when they have no idea what he looked like as a youth, and b) simultaneously did not recognize their mother as a youth in the same sculpture until later

I assumed that there are portrait(s) of their dad as a youth hanging in the palace (they're big on portraits). Not sure about the mother; although was it established exactly when she moved to Arendelle and married their father?

My son y'day asked -- if water can flow through the mist and leave the enchanted forest, why didn't the Arendellians didn't just sail on the river back home? I guess, you know, it's magic...

keep in mind that the movie tells us that photography has been invented in the 30-40 years that have passed since the events of the flashback. which was a weird touch.

I also thought it was interesting that they established a real-world timeframe for the events in the Frozen Extended Universe (complete with the in-joke about The Little Mermaid's publication date).

So apparently there are references in the first one to it taking place in 1839?

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Arendelle
The time period for Frozen is set in July 1839. In the upper left-hand corner of the geographical map shown in Frozen Fever, it is suggested by a set of Roman numerals that the year in which Anna turned nineteen was 1840. (MDCCCXL is the exact numeral order.) Oaken's statement, "A real howler in July, yes?", confirms the month is set in July. This being said, given that Anna is eighteen as of the events of Frozen, it can be logically assumed that Frozen takes place in July 1839.[2].

Frozen II seems to pick up pretty soon after the first one -- I don't remember if there are any references to passage of time, but it seems like a year at most.

According to Wiki the Daguerreotype was in fact introduced publicly worldwide in 1839 -- I don't know how widespread the use was yet, but it seems at least plausible that there could have been people in Arendelle with portrait photos by late 1839-mid 1840. I'm actually impressed that there was this much attention to detail.

Another interesting thing to note -- the wiki entry on the Sami history is light on this time period, but does note that Sami were becoming increasingly marginalized in the early to mid 19th century, and also that changes in borders hampered their ability to herd reindeer freely. There also was apparently a major controversy involving the Sami and the construction of a hydroelectric dam in the 1970s, so I wonder if there is a lose allusion to that.

*loose

Frozen II seems to pick up pretty soon after the first one -- I don't remember if there are any references to passage of time, but it seems like a year at most.

They say that it's been 3 years from the events of the first movie (and 6 years from when the parents disappeared). Interesting info you found, thx... I had sometimes wondered about "anachronisms" in the first movie, but didn't think (or care enough) to pin down the actual year.

A quick skim of the Wikipedia article for "Bicycle" seems to confirm my suspicion that the bike Anna rides in the first movie is anachronistic!!

3 years? Kristof really taking his sweet time to propose.

He's got a couple of bugs (or so I hear)

I read something the other day that pinpointed the time period closer to the 1860s, but can't recall where that was.

It was the time of trolls, iirc.

Looks like The Little Mermaid wuz first published in 1837, and then republished in 1849.

Another neat little thing -- Frozen is known to be loosely based on The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen. IIRC, there's a scene where young dad says he is reading "some new Danish author." Hans Christian Andersen had his first commercial successes roughly in the early 1830s. Snow Queen was published in 1844 -- just a couple years after the events of the second film if the first really takes place in 1839.

Oh -- that's the the line that I thought was understood to be referring to "The Little Mermaid." Guess "The Snow Queen" makes more sense, lol

The deluxe version of this soundtrack has a few outtakes, more of which are underwhelming -- with the exception of "I Seek the Truth," an excellent Elsa song that sounds like it was written for the scene where "Show Yourself" ended up. (While the other outtakes are full versions recorded by cast members, this one is just Kristen Anderson-Lopez and a piano.)

*(“more” = “most”)

Lol, this was crazy. Much less free than the original, and I have no idea what kids are going to make of it. Zizek is going to have a lot of fun with it. I'm guessing the writers has read a fair share of Baldwin and Coates, reminded me a bit of Watchmen in that sense.

I’m seeing it again tomorrow (like a boss)!

This movie was really good. Lots of singing. Reminded me a lot like a Broadway musical. I wish the annoying snowman would’ve stayed dead though.

Cool second viewing... I think it’s an even better movie than the original, for a few reasons (and I love the songs).

The first one just feels so oddly effortless. While this one tries very hard. But it does achieve a lot. One moment I just straight up loved was Olaf saying 'the kids are alright :) ' There's so much empathy towards the young audience, whether they be normies or outcasts, and that is kinda rare.

Something that gets me about the movie is how one of its main concerns is the passage of time (which you'd think would be a natural subject for a movie sequel, but usually isn't). It probably affects you in a particular way if you have kid(s) who grew up with the first movie. When Olaf turns to the camera in "Some Things Never Change," and sings, "You all look a little bit older!" -- I get a lump in my throat, no joke.

My wife liked it better than the first one. Talking to my kids, it appears there is no antagonist in it?

frozen is the only animated movie of the last like 20 years that i just cannot get through and i’ve tried probably five times at this point

xp That’s true — no human antagonist, which is interesting (and even the non-human forces creating conflict turn out to be benevolent, once the conflict has been resolved).

(Similar to the first movie, however, a character previously thought to be a “good guy” turns out to be a “bad guy” — this time, it’s an ancestor of our heroes.)

There’s something very effective and satisfying about the whole “spiritual” quest & conflict at the heart of the movie; even though the exact mechanics of it still aren’t fully clear to me, after two viewings.

I said this in the Star Wars thread, but there are some interesting story & theme parallels with The Rise of Skywalker… right down to a centerpiece “heroine crossing a stormy sea” scene. And while I liked them both a lot, this is probably the better movie!

The mechanics of it are kinda abstract, but it does work really well as an allegory of settler colonialism, I found :)

“Into the Unknown” > “Let it go”

no way

My daughter has got into Star Wars recently, which I'm pretty much worn out by in my life but whatever she's super enthusiastic. We were watching the original trilogy the other day and I noticed a snatch of John Williams' score that sounded just like the four note hook from Into the Unknown.

One of my kids was just down in Atlanta for the Junior Theater Festival, where they got to compete with selections from "Frozen" (they won Best Performance for like the 11th time in a row; our middle school has a heck of a theatre program). Anyway, I've seen so many clips of them performing "Let It Go," in rehearsals, with small audiences, to judges, to parents, and ultimately to 6500 people. The woman who plays Elsa on Broadway was there, and she sang it. Later there was a mass sing-a-long and hundreds and hundreds of kids sang it. Now, I haven't seen "Frozen 2," but I've heard "Into the Unknown" a lot, because of my kids. In fact, when they saw "Frozen 2" they came home telling me they knew Disney was hoping it would be the new "Let It Go." But boy is it not, because I've seen "Let It Go" bring people to their feet and so on, and "Into the Unknown" just does not work that way. Part of it may be practical, that it is a less conventional song and harder to belt along with. But as an anthem, "Let It Go" is pretty relentless, imo, whether or not I ever want to hear it again.

Yeah, "Let It Go" is sui generis (and a mad achievement, in both songwriting and performance)... but I'd rather actually hear "Into the Unknown" these days. Sorry, secret siren!

My kid was trying to convince me that "Show Yourself" is actually the real wannabe "Let It Go" of "Frozen 2."

Let it Go is clearly more of a "hit single" but Into the Unknown is more musically interesting

I'm just so impressed by the Anderson-Lopezes and their songwriting chops. They had to have been somewhat psyched out, following up the songs from the first movie -- and yet somehow they upped their game.

I know I mentioned this killer outtake above (and even tried to hype it in the ILM poll)... here's one more post, just so you can't blame me for keeping it from you. Imagine sitting down and writing something like this (and then it doesn't even stay in the movie!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGaT-QxmwM

"Show Yourself" should have been pushed as the "single" for this movie. It's a real show-stopper and "Into the Unknown" is a little too complex to be absorbed in a single sitting. Also, in 20 years, can you imagine how many expectant moms are going to psyche themselves up for delivery by listening to "Show Yourself"??? It's the impending motherhood anthem!

Also the Kacey Musgraves take on the lullaby is incredible - it reminded me of Dolly Parton singing "Barbara Allen" on Ken Burns' Country Music doc.

Also, yes I have a daughter now.

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Am I the only one who thinks of Show Yourself as a trans anthem? 'Show yourself / I'm dying to meet you' It always reminds me of my friend who, when I met her, seemed quite shy and withdrawn, and now she posts something that makes me laugh or cry on social media at least once a day. And I have to say that while of course I'm most of all happy for her, I'm also just incredibly happy and lucky to have met her.

It's an anthem for a lot of different situations which is why it's strange it wasn't promoted heavily. Maybe it wasn't finished until late in the production?

Kewl Oscars™ performance of “Into the Unknown” (my daughter immediately made me replay it twice).

I thought this was pretty tedious and incoherent, but at least it looked gorgeous.

The Oscars performance, or the movie itself? (and how are you just seeing either one now?)

Oh, sorry, the movie itself (Oscar performance was fine). The rest of my family had already seen the sequel, but half of them are out of town, so I told my other daughter I would watch it. She warned me that it wasn't that good but was still fun to watch, but I was actually bored for a lot of it. It's often just a couple of people standing in one spot either parsing out what passes for plot or receiving gibberish exposition. Way too much snowman (whose b-story that doesn't pay off is ... getting old?), way too much love interest guy, who spends 70% of the movie attempting to propose, and the other 30% ... literally lost? And the whole driving thing with the dam made absolutely no sense. At the very least, who spends likely several years (and untold money and probably deaths) building a huge, state of the art dam simply as a ruse to lure your enemies (?) into a false sense of complacency? (I think?)

Anyway, it's like they knew all these characters had to come back, knew they each needed a couple of showcases and showstopper/off sequences, knew they had to put more snowman into it, then ran up against the running time and out of room for an actual story.

Next movie should be a back to basics move. Elsa establishes a successful independent (and magical?) artisanal ice cream shop. A benevolent stranger comes into town and offers to buy the shop, letting Elsa spend more time communing with nature (and finally finding a love interest?). Turns out the benevolent stranger is actually a proxy for a huge corporation, who slashes jobs and cuts costs by using inferior ingredients. He soon franchises and expands the ice cream shop, putting all the small ice cream shops out of business .. and ridding the world of magic. It's up to a newly magic-free Elsa and her crew to venture into the Big Cruel City and, enlisting the generosity of the citizens of their innocent, isolated kingdom, buy up shares and stage a takeover, reaffirming their values and bringing back order to the natural world. Then in the end Elsa can get married in Central Park and introduce magical cupcakes to her menu.

They built the dam because they wanted a dam. They just lied about who it was going to benefit. It's a pretty clear example of settler colonialism?

But why did they need the dam?

For that matter, why didn't the spirits just destroy the dam?

I mean, I got the colonial stuff, but there wasn't much of that and it seemed just kind of thrown in.

try to be like water, if you can

Forget memory, I had trouble paying attention as it was happening.

I also didn't love the movie, but it brought my partner to tears. The kids love the music, which I get (outside of the parts when kristoff imitates sven's voice. fuck those parts.)

I was honestly very impressed with the maturity of my younger daughter's reaction. She recognized (and warned me) it wasn't a particularly special movie, but still found a lot to enjoy in it.

I agree that some of the plot mechanics didn’t fully make sense, but that didn’t keep me from loving the movie... all that stuff felt incidental to the terrific songs and character moments.

I kinda hated the character moments because it often seemed like the only reason said characters were there was to have moments. I wish Olaf and Kristoff had been left behind to take care of the villagers (who were ... just hanging around the cliff or whatever, with the trolls, waiting?), because those two did nothing. Even Elsa, she gets dragged out of bed all the way to magic land ... just to get frozen (even though she is an ice queen, but whatever). Leaving her magic-free sister to predictably lead what might as well have been called Dam-Breaker Plot Mechanic Giants to destroy the dam. Regardless, plot quibbles or issues aside, I thought it was pretty flat and emotionless, and I get teary *all the time* at movies.

But like I said, it looked gorgeous, and that does count for a lot.

Elsa doesn’t just “get frozen,” she learns the truth about herself and her mother. Anna faces her darkest moment — she thinks Elsa is dead, and Olaf disintegrates before her eyes — and finds the strength to crawl out of the cave and do what has to be done. Your descriptions strip all this away!

I never get teary or emotional at movies, but I came close in those moments. And, of course, it’s all enhanced & elevated by the songs, which do a lot of work in expressing and embodying the emotional content of those scenes.

Anna does get the brunt of it. But "finds the strength to crawl out of the cave and do what has to be done" is like the most common Disney trope after dead parents, it's what's inside that counts, and friends stay together.

More seriously, I guess I didn't find the drama at all compelling because the confusing set-up seemed so contrived just to give them something to do with the slimmest of pretense or set-up (despite all the desperate exposition drops). And again, the betrothal stuff and Olaf growing up didn't deliver and that is a huuuuge hunk of this movie; at least three songs and several scenes.

Watch this: Elsa hears a voice, she follows it and ... discovers she has an Other Half, who is out of balance much the same way she was in the first movie. She does some stuff, fights the bad magic mojo that's keeping them apart, unite as a couple and live happily ever after. While her sister, Anna, learns to live on her own, no longer co-dependent.

There, done. Drama!

xp I don’t know, I’ve seen a lot of Disney movies, I can’t immediately think of another scene where a hero racked with despair and hopelessness finds a way to summon inner resources and commit to something greater than herself.

And I don’t think Olaf “grows up,” in fact it’s the opposite — I think he comes to recognize and accept that he’s not human. I’d have to see it again; I thought Olaf was a great part of this movie, but the details are fuzzy on exactly how.

You want Elsa to “unite as a couple” with her shadow self? That’s weird, lol

And I don’t think Anna’s codependent; she’s been deeply affected by the enforced separation between herself and her sister, and wants for them to be able to fully connect and support each other, without Anna being pushed away.

lol, it's a *metaphoric* shadow self. It's really just another lonely girl with powers, who "completes" her.

And Olaf doesn't grow up! But all of his songs and much of his dialogue is about getting older and aging, weird things for an ageless, practically immortal being magically created fully formedfrom snow to consider.

regardless, my imaginary movie got nominated for best animated film, and this one didn't, so there.

xp Exactly (re: Olaf) — and there’s something poignant about how that’s done.

I also have to confess I don’t understand the popular fixation with “setting Elsa up“… until the end of this movie, she clearly wasn’t ready to be in a relationship with anyone, because she hadn’t “found herself” yet.

(I mean, I read one of the filmmakers say something like that an interview, so it’s not an original insight. But I think it’s on the money.)

The point of the Olaf song is that it won't make sense when he is older, because old people are lying about settler colonialism! It was obvious!

And Elsa freezes because that's what realizing the dark truth of settler colonialism does to people, ice powers or not.

Josh, did you see Toy Story 4, which actually did win Best Animated Feature Film? (I haven’t yet)

I did! I recall thinking it was okay, same with part 3. but to me toy story 2 is the best one.

Man, you want tears? I just got back from my daughter's middle school performance of songs from Frozen and Moana, supporting kids with special needs, and it's remarkable seeing how much this music moves and means to kids.

Dang... I can imagine.

Next movie should be a back to basics move

Let's get back to the sound of two sisters, an iceman and his reindeer, and an anthropomorphic snowman in a room playing

This movie was fine, someone upthread best described it as the quality of a direct-to-video sequel. "Lost in the Woods" was the one song I'll take away from this, and that song felt the least well integrated into the movie

Way too much snowman

Nordic Jar-Jar

When he's so annoying that even the other characters hope he falls asleep, that's sort of a own goal.

I liked the sequel more than the first one *runs away*

^me too

No, that's fair. I didn't think this one was terrible any more than I thought the first one was particularly good. They are both fine. This one is just a lot more muddled and therefore brings more attention to its faults, imo.

I love the artwork in the Little Golden Book adaptation (I’m a real Frozen Bro, lol)

https://i.imgur.com/wfu1BRX_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Over the holidays, when I didn't have a lot else to think about, I spent time browsing fan Instagram accts. devoted to "Frozen," and found ppl who had already seen the new film seven times. I can sort of relate to that level of obsession (even though I couldn't personally match it).

wait, that's not how it happenend in the movie. she totally tamed that sea stallion, as is the dream of every girl

this one was fine but too beholden to the first movie to really do anything all that great

but i was also annoyed!

where the *fuck* did all that water from the dam go ELSA

what is that stupid cutesy fire lizard?

and how come elsa gets to be special all over again? SHE DONE ALREADY DONE HAD HERSES

i really loved it, it is not quite the queer feminist pagan fantasy that i pretend it is but i still pretend that it is. we saw it at the cinema and will probably watch it again this afternoon

“Lost in the Woods” would make a great karaoke cut

yeah it’s like a lost Peter Cetera song, it’s really good

"You're the Inspiration" vibes a-plenty

Except more of a boring Broadway pastiche version of that, imo.

both things exist on the highest equal plane for some people, e.g. Jim Pardo

^hey, I’m a huge Pardo fan!

(I’m sure y’all are aware this is now available on D+, several months early)

Today I had to fast-forward to where my kids had been in the movie (after Disney+ fritzed out); I was like, “...was it after she meets the Nokk?,” and my wife was all, “How the f do you know what the horse is called?”

My daughter made this today. Dunno if this will work ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0S8oB3FgLbtYW5HO1XvfrHdolTilxtbBl2U8vlQoEZv7xEOCmFios6jIM

No.

Yeah it worked. Cool!

How did it work for you? Are you able to access the link at least? I just see an error note. Anyway, here is the link, which needs to be de-quoted::

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI";

Or not. Dammit!

I still can't see it.

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI

OK, I assume just reconnect the two halves of that link.

I had just clicked on the original link in my web browser…

very cute, especially her Sven impression.

so cute! thumbs up on moose and snowman

https://www.instagram.com/p/CABP91pHgck/

🤘

There's another new(-ish) Olaf retcon short on Disney+, called "Once Upon a Snowman." It's cute, but I only accept the Chris Buck / Jennifer Lee productions as Frozen canon.

It's so f'd up that Anna leaves Hans in charge (when Elsa flees) - they presumably have a palace full of lifelong advisors, one of them really should have put the kibosh on that.