How many times is Godzilla going to be rebooted? 2014 edition

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKO10hKtYw

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:18 (seven years ago) link

More than anything else, I want to see how they mess up "giant lizard destroys city."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:31 (seven years ago) link

Why would they need to airdrop in soldiers to fight a giant lizard? You'd think it'd be preoccupied enough with destroying the city and eating trains and stuff that it wouldn't notice five or six lil' dudes sneaking up.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:36 (seven years ago) link

Anyway, I'm excited, because I love Godzilla. I loved "Monsters," too, which shows the director knows how to write for and direct, you know, actual people.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:37 (seven years ago) link

Could be alright.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:40 (seven years ago) link

Although until not five minutes ago I was convinced that Gareth Edwards was the guy who directed The Raid. Turns out that's Gareth Evans. I haven't seen Monsters.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:44 (seven years ago) link

"Monsters" is really good, imo. Totally not what you'd expect from a movie called "Monsters" that does have monsters in it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:44 (seven years ago) link

My flatmate's claiming it's shit right this minute. I'll watch it and make my own mind up.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:50 (seven years ago) link

Is your flatmate 15? 'Cause yeah, I can imagine a kid picking out a movie called "Monsters" and hating it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:52 (seven years ago) link

Haha, he's 34 but his taste in movies is similar to that of a 15 year old.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 19:58 (seven years ago) link

that film was really good iirc.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 20:07 (seven years ago) link

Godzilla after Cloverfield after 9-11

Interesting aesthetics in that trailer – godzilla moving about in smoke and darkness, actually hiding in it despite his size – some of the wreckage looked realistically done, I saw a plane being chucked around a runway and a train?

Bryan Cranston?

I suppose the challenge for a special effects disaster/monster film now is that everyone knows you can make millions of tanks/spaceships/missiles fly around the screen, we're all numb to any CGI spectacle that relies too much on scale and ignores details

cardamon, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 02:50 (seven years ago) link

dang this actualy looks good

Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:54 (seven years ago) link

i loved monsters.
open of my fave movies in the genre.

mark e, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:28 (seven years ago) link

Attaching smoke and flares to your special ops guys before parachuting them into the city seems like a the ideal way to turn them into airborne Godzillasnacks to me.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:49 (seven years ago) link

Another entry in the dark, roiling, cgi clouds school of film-making.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:55 (seven years ago) link

Lotta imaginary airborne particulate matter in Hollywood these days.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:57 (seven years ago) link

Trailer does not get me excited. It looks like your standard Bruckheimer/Bay/Emmerich summer atrocity.

zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:01 (seven years ago) link

agree

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 12:15 (seven years ago) link

Only the fact that the Monsters guy is doing it has me curious. At least Big G looks more like his classic self in this.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:07 (seven years ago) link

In some ways it was genius for Toho to eventually turn Godzilla into a semi good guy. That way he got to destroy cities while also destroying other giant monsters, yet survive to star in sequels. The roteness of modern takes on "giant monster destroys city" is not the destruction, per se, but waiting for the inevitable "aha, that's how we kill it!" moment. Which is hard to care about, considering it's preceded by watching said monster destroy things in awesome fashion. Might as well have a character declare "aha, that's how we kill it, and make the movie stop moving!"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:29 (seven years ago) link

What about that "she is just protecting her eggs" moment?

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:32 (seven years ago) link

Trailer does not get me excited. It looks like your standard Bruckheimer/Bay/Emmerich summer atrocity.

― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:01 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

disagree, not enough money shots of buildings being leveled or people narrowly outrunning the earth crumbling beneath them like they're on a universal studios ride; michael bay's HALO jumping military guys would be buff scowling badasses, instead the emphasis is on their fear and terror

Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:34 (seven years ago) link

I have to say, I started this thread with a certain level of dismissiveness, but now I'm kinda looking forward to it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:41 (seven years ago) link

I'm on board

it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

Godzilla always ruled because he was a role model for fat, pear-shaped schlubs everywhere. You can change the world while still being sluggish and having horrible breath.

it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

Or maybe being so big you knock shit down just by turning around? I don't think Godzilla can see his feet, either.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:27 (seven years ago) link

And don't even get me started on this pudge monster:
http://www.wiredmomma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/godzilla.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:28 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/slq3w3Sl.jpg

Does this Godzilla seem even more giant than previous Godzillas? And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:26 (seven years ago) link

Monsters is a great, great movie. So I'm looking forward to this on that alone.

akm, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:35 (seven years ago) link

And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?

Probably not. As I vaguely recall from my biology and physics, if you double the size of something, its muscle strength squares, but its volume/mass cubes, so the muscles are no longer strong enough to support the body (this is why insects/spiders don't come in sizes bigger than they currently do--if they got much bigger their exoskeleton weighs more than their limbs can support). Given the vaguely humanoid sjhape of Godzilla, he'd be fucked.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (seven years ago) link

But yeah, Monsters was wonderful.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpc53FvcZ4c

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:51 (seven years ago) link

hahaha

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Friday, 21 February 2014 01:27 (seven years ago) link

that trailer looks amazing up top. never saw the 1998 one. i'm guessing it wasn't much good?

piscesx, Friday, 21 February 2014 03:43 (seven years ago) link

You guess correct. It's not even bad in a fun way.

Simon H., Friday, 21 February 2014 03:52 (seven years ago) link

the way the 98 one bombed was wonderful

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 21 February 2014 04:24 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:10 (seven years ago) link

If you would have told me back in, say 2001, that we'd have another Godzilla reboot starring Malcolm's dad and the Olsen's twins kid sister...

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:16 (seven years ago) link

this looks great.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:20 (seven years ago) link

Looks surprisingly good.

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:24 (seven years ago) link

Like the use of Ligeti. Hoping this turns out to be a Rise of the Apes-style classy update.

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:00 (seven years ago) link

Interest building....

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:03 (seven years ago) link

Does Godzilla make airplanes fall out of the sky or something?

jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:04 (seven years ago) link

why does the statue of liberty look so fake

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:09 (seven years ago) link

did you see the desert mountains in the background

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:22 (seven years ago) link

i know it was going for a way different vibe, but i hope this can provide the monster-destroying-city action that Pacific Rim was woefully short on.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:29 (seven years ago) link

commercial's great, that's for sure. better to only hint at the monster (like with the rising ocean), or show it for a second or two.

30 years later, and the techniques used in jaws still hold true.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:31 (seven years ago) link

looks great. don't know why but remakes of franchise movies like this bother me so much less than remakes of stand alone films (point break ,oldboy etc)

TheMenzies, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:35 (seven years ago) link

I like they they've kept him tied (it seems) to the post-WW2 nuclear age.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:38 (seven years ago) link

yeah, is that vegas?

idk, i'm in. why not? monsters was really good, good cast here.

goole, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:39 (seven years ago) link

not sure the other "viral" marketing video they've released -- the godzilla "roar" -- is as effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0T3VwHzk8

meh. the "roar" video wouldn't, of course, get the rare "5 out of 5 schmoes" that the official trailer did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHyThBpoR1o

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:40 (seven years ago) link

So, is there much talk of what this will be about ? Trailer implies Godzilla vs something ... some flying thing? Some tentacle thing? Both?

Weird how poor some of the effects look in the trailer (such as the wave carrying ships towards the camera) but I guess this is something they'll be rendering till just before release. Can't say I'm excited, but this did make me curious about a movie I until now assumed I wouldn't watch. The opening shots were good (corked traffic & crashed plane; tumbling buildings & origami birds)

Actually, went back now and it does seems to be some avian creature. There's a shot at 1:30 of guys aiming their guns up at a large, descending silhouette, then a shot of something — presumably the same thing — slipping into the ocean between a couple of crashing airplanes.

Øystein, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:03 (seven years ago) link

i liked the wave!

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:05 (seven years ago) link

30 years later, and the techniques used in jaws still hold true.

― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:31 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha well i'd argue it doesnt hold true at all for daikaiju films... but this is just advertising and it looks like a good approach for what they're doing

i laughed (in a good way) at the line that was like 'the nuclear tests from 1954... they weren't tests, they were trying to kill it!!!'

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:09 (seven years ago) link

Is that Ligetti music the same as the one in 2001.. i'm sure it is? Also a quick flash of Geiger/Alien vibes at 1 point.

piscesx, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:41 (seven years ago) link

yes

AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:42 (seven years ago) link

This looks really cool

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 02:49 (seven years ago) link

Usually my rule of thumb is the cooler the trailer looks, the more disappointing the final film will be. But as long as they keep a lot of the surprises under wraps, and as long as what we see looks, visually, like something the guy who did "Monsters" did - which this does - I'm happy. Mentioned it upthread and will mention it again, but what made "Monsters" special (imo) is how well-written and acted the people stuff was, especially for a movie called "Monsters." Looking forward to seeing the guy pull it off again on a much larger scale.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:20 (seven years ago) link

Really hope those miniature Mothra twins make a cameo

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:44 (seven years ago) link

This actually looks kinda okay! Reasonably sold on it as a 'terrifying beast smashes things' movie, and I think I saw Maggie Gyllenhaal in there so I'm in.

It'd be great if it had a strong 'idea' hook too - I mean it's obvious but the original Gojira from the Fifties was actually a, like, good movie (some slow talky scenes aside) with all kinds of resonances in post-Occupation Japan - the trauma of bomb devastation re-enacted, the useless government, the shaky faith in technical progress, an attempt to rehabilitate doomsday weapons by binding them with old-school honor/guilt, etc.... Obviously it'd be easy to do this as 9/11 stuff but frankly that's been done to death in the genre of building-destruction porn and anyway it's been a while, they should find some new anxieties to really tap into. Global warming/wild weather stuff, maybe. I guess that's why I really like the 'mostly smoke' aspect of this, seems less about wrenching every last drop of suppressed sublimation out of the WTC attacks. Could be quickly proven wrong obv. But it would be cool if this touched some nerves.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:02 (seven years ago) link

There was a lot of metaphor and whatnot swimming around "Monsters," too, but I don't want to spoil that movie for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:04 (seven years ago) link

did you see the desert mountains in the background
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass)

so this is las vegas?

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:09 (seven years ago) link

It would be awesome of Godzilla is not as big as the posters make it seem, and that it's just him destroying Vegas.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:15 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuIVn5cq5U

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:16 (seven years ago) link

It seems really strange to recycle that Ligetti piece ... its association with 2001 is so strong

maybe the assumption is that no one seeing a Godzilla movie in 2014 is old enough to have seen 2001?

Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:42 (seven years ago) link

I'm pretty sure they just picked it because it sounds cool. Trailers use music from other movies all the time. Original scores are rarely done until fairly close to release.

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:28 (seven years ago) link

key target audience of godzilla in 2014 was BORN in 2001
**mind blown**

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:41 (seven years ago) link

I'd rather they reuse Ligetti than the damn airhorn noise from "Inception." Again.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:05 (seven years ago) link

iirc the Ligeti and other classical pieces in 2001 were originally temporary music, Kubrick kept them in after he decided he hated Alex North's score

too bad Kubrick never directed a Godzilla reboot

Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:29 (seven years ago) link

still kinda O_O at how fucking HUGE this godzilla is

it's like nine times huger than any other one I've seen. exciting!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:48 (seven years ago) link

The casting of this film is so incongruous for a hollywood blockbuster that I love it. I mean Juliette Binoche, Sally Hawkins, and Martha Marcy May Olsen are like an art house goddess triumvirate. "Monsters" was an ace scifi that cost famously all of $500,000. This is Edward's only other gig and was reportedly made for $160 million. how the hell does that happen? Especially after the dreck that was the 1998 film.

danzig, Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:24 (seven years ago) link

still kinda O_O at how fucking HUGE this godzilla is

it's like nine times huger than any other one I've seen. exciting!

I love love love that you went with "nine times huger" instead of ten. Seriously awesome.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:30 (seven years ago) link

i don't recall the last time everyone on ilx got psyched for a blockbuster type movie that wasn't a Batman. must be years anyway.

piscesx, Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:11 (seven years ago) link

or, you know, gravity/pacific rim

effervescent (soda), Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:24 (seven years ago) link

xxpost EZ: <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 03:29 (seven years ago) link

ok I watched ''Monsters" tonight finally to see what all the hoopla was about

if godzilla looks anything like that, hooray.

but if he playfakes me into watching another hour plus of glassy-eyed indie fuxxors holding hands & staring at landscapes I *will* be fucking pissed

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 06:42 (seven years ago) link

the actual monsters were bitchin tho

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 06:43 (seven years ago) link

The real special effects in Monsters are...human emotions

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:56 (seven years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:57 (seven years ago) link

the monsters are....us

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 27 February 2014 21:00 (seven years ago) link

lol seriously by the halfway mark I was silently praying that that would not be part of it

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 21:01 (seven years ago) link

Hooray, I've ordered _Monsters_ from the library. After viewing the trailer on youtube, it was pretty amusing to read the comments. A perky mix of dopes who adore the movie and bros who are real mad about the movie being boring relationship crap that shouldn't be called MONSTERS c'mon wtf suxx.

Øystein, Thursday, 27 February 2014 22:08 (seven years ago) link

yeah rented Monsters last night cuz of this thread (haven't watched it yet)

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 February 2014 22:13 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDXpZvbpl8

Hope they included this on the soundtrack, best Godzilla raps!

Tuomas, Thursday, 27 February 2014 22:35 (seven years ago) link

"Monsters" rules, if you don't like it you don't like people, you monsters.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 February 2014 22:50 (seven years ago) link

ppl suck, monsters rule

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 23:26 (seven years ago) link

Hope the new subtitles are as on point as this:

https://24.media.tumblr.com/eed86711a981c9b7c6fe8c04aa78c319/tumblr_n25d3vzJl01r1x4nlo1_400.gif

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 22:58 (seven years ago) link

hahaha that one cow is hauling ass

balls, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 23:03 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Man, I haven't been this excited for a movie based on the trailer since I was 13 and I saw an ad for "Predator" during the commercials in SNL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3Mi9vOb_8#t=154

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:09 (seven years ago) link

I have this vague suspicion/hope that Cranston will be TOO good in this movie, accurately capturing the fury and horror a scientist would feel in this apocalyptic scenario, the way Battle:Los Angeles got across how utterly miserable it would be to endure an alien invasion.

da croupier, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:06 (seven years ago) link

"why would my character smile and light a cigar? yes, godzilla has fallen, but the scenario that caused his return remains...his wife is still dead...sure, there would be some relief but...no...there would still be agony, trauma..."

da croupier, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:11 (seven years ago) link

heh.

Anyway, Cranston and Juliette Binoche! Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen! Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins! David Strathairn! From a director equally adept with people and effects! If anything this whole movie is too good for "Godzilla."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:12 (seven years ago) link

nothing is too good for Godzilla

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:17 (seven years ago) link

To step on.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:22 (seven years ago) link

wld really love to see someone edit a trailer together for the 1998 godzilla that resembles this ad campaign

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 6 April 2014 17:02 (seven years ago) link

hoo boy SIZE MATTERS

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 April 2014 17:19 (seven years ago) link

eeeeeeee so excited

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 April 2014 17:33 (seven years ago) link

The only way they could shape a trailer for that 1998 movie into something that looked the least bit thrilling or scary would be to not show any scenes or any of the cast and just have the sound of Godzilla walking and buildings falling over a black screen. Then at the end it just says "Godzilla" in big white letters. And it does not mention the director.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 18:39 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Okay, what is the pterodactyl thing?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1pX97_0rxU

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:52 (seven years ago) link

How I'm reading it now, which is totally flipping the movie upside down for me, is that Godzilla was subdued and in captivity and they let him go to fight this pterodactyl thing and now everything is going to hell.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:55 (seven years ago) link

Rodan!

cautiously optimistic about this, based on Monsters.

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:56 (seven years ago) link

My knowledge of Godzilla adversaries is minimal, so I knew the name Rodan but didn't know that's what it was. WOO!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:57 (seven years ago) link

like my vid-store buddy noted, I take it as a good sign that there's other monsters in the mix, instead of just some generic city smashin and subway hidin

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:00 (seven years ago) link

(one of the old SunOS system manuals had examples that used all the various monster names.)

koogs, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:37 (seven years ago) link

how do they spend like a trillion dollars making godzilla look real and then the statue of liberty looks like a FF7 cutscene

it's a fucking statue you can just make a decent-looking miniature for like $8

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:09 (seven years ago) link

They polish these movies all the way up until the week of release. I'd be shocked if that didn't look much better in the theater.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:24 (seven years ago) link

they polish the shit that ends up in trailers first

my point stands anyway, why the fuck make a statue out of CGI

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:31 (seven years ago) link

That's supposed to be the Las Vegas replica of the Statue of Liberty

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:35 (seven years ago) link

hrm it costs a lot less to do shit using cg than to make a real model and do the same.

fit and working again, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:48 (seven years ago) link

i literally just made a realer looking model using two paperclips and flintstones vitamin

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 05:50 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just saw it!

http://www.sketchplease.com/tag/krypton

Pretty good!

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 02:01 (seven years ago) link

Er, that was supposed to be Godzilla giving a thumbs up

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 02:02 (seven years ago) link

Anyway, this was fun! Surprisingly true to the spirit of the old movies.

Lotsa cool shots. Gareth Edwards really knows how to sell the scale of everything.

Humans, like in all Godzilla movies, are there to be witnesses and explain stuff. Anyone complaining about this is kind of a schmuck, IMO.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 02:06 (seven years ago) link

awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 May 2014 02:33 (seven years ago) link

Also want to note that the trailers made this seem like it was going to be a lot more dour and self-serious than it is. It's pure b-movie, as a Godzilla picture should be.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 02:55 (seven years ago) link

on second-viewing, the trailers look kinda cheesy maybe?

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 16 May 2014 02:56 (seven years ago) link

It hits the right combo of awe and cheese, IMO

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 03:01 (seven years ago) link

The best part: Godzilla looks and acts like Godzilla.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 03:06 (seven years ago) link

?

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 16 May 2014 03:06 (seven years ago) link

he memorized all his lines and stopped wearing the perm

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 May 2014 03:19 (seven years ago) link

Jhericurlzilla was the worst.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 16 May 2014 03:21 (seven years ago) link

I have to say it's Mr. Day-Lewis's most stunning role yet

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 03:23 (seven years ago) link

(godzilla) stopped wearing the perm

― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 15, 2014

too bad. 'zilla's hair was a key part of the character.

http://www.aux.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Godskrilla.jpg

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 16 May 2014 03:24 (seven years ago) link

Also want to note that the trailers made this seem like it was going to be a lot more dour and self-serious than it is. It's pure b-movie, as a Godzilla picture should be.

― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

isn't the perceived self-seriousness the reason every nerd is blowing their wad over this loooool

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 16 May 2014 04:00 (seven years ago) link

It takes itself seriously just enough.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 16 May 2014 04:10 (seven years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnx9n29IEAAo8lf.jpg

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 May 2014 21:32 (seven years ago) link

tbf broderick was the least of that thing's problems but I hope that answers zachlyon's question

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:00 (seven years ago) link

what does godzilla's roar sound like in this new version?

display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:14 (seven years ago) link

a choir of angels

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:19 (seven years ago) link

300 foot Roger Waters

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:21 (seven years ago) link

In which our hero Adrian Belew does the sound FX for the new movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8NpBWPL93s#t=622

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 May 2014 22:53 (seven years ago) link

I am going to see this tomorrow

you guys I am so psyched

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 00:15 (six years ago) link

15-minute countdown at Metreon IMAX starts now :)

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 02:31 (six years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 02:32 (six years ago) link

okay so when i was like eight there was this theater on the other side of town that would show godzilla movies on the weekends, and my dad would never take me. but he was a big fan of king kong from back in the day and finally one week they were showing godzilla versus king kong and he cracked and took me. man i was beside myself. I'd only ever seen godzilla in black and white on our little TV with commercials and now it was on. the big screen, popcorn, the whole deal.

and not to hide the birdie or anything but if you've seen it you already know, godzilla versus king kong suucked. even at eight years old, in love with godzilla, i knew it sucked. and i felt kind of bad for having dragged my dad across town to see a bad movie that defiled the memory of his beloved king kong.

anyway this new godzilla sucks in some of the exact same ways (sort of no plot, any scene not involving kaiju is mostly annoying, big fight at the end's a disappointment) that those old GODZILLA VERSUS movies sucked BUT: it's also it's epic in all the right ways, and lovingly restores the sense of scale and grandeur, and while some folks have complained about losing nuclear-cautionary Gojira I really dig this new lovecrafty-unknowable Elder Gojira. and hell even the suck comes off as homage... like if they'd just gone ahead and called this GODZILLA VERSUS MOTU you'd know exactly what you were in for. if i was eight years old i wouldn't have felt bad about dragging my dad to this one AT ALL.

PS it wasn't until like five years later btw that I finally connected the dots and figured out my dad was always reluctant to take me to those godzilla movies because when that theater across town wasn't showing weekend matinees for the kids it was a porno theater. true story the end.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:44 (six years ago) link

so basically if you know anyone who is eight years old take them to see this immediately is how i break it down to an extent.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:50 (six years ago) link

*applause*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:50 (six years ago) link

fyi i am mentally 8 years sold so I am taking me to see it :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:51 (six years ago) link

old, even

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:51 (six years ago) link

bonus trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OuGMcTVeA

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 07:02 (six years ago) link

VG i think you'll be quite pleased

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 07:03 (six years ago) link

(and yes i totally had one of those and it was pretty much my #1 toy until atari arrived)

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 May 2014 07:03 (six years ago) link

I gotta quit getting sucked by the hype machine into these blockbuster things.

WilliamC, Saturday, 17 May 2014 22:00 (six years ago) link

Mr Veg is kinda mad at me for dragging him to see this lol

I think rogermexico's review was the perfect mental preparation. It really did suck plotwise, the characters were cyphers & mostly took up valuable monster time

But the monster stuff was mostly awesome & my inner 8 yo was p into that

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 00:37 (six years ago) link

But this Monsters director guy is such an emo, like omg dude settle down with all yr 'heartbreaking moments'

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 00:38 (six years ago) link

he made a bitchin godzilla monster though

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 00:42 (six years ago) link

luv that there are still people on ilx who call people emos

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:33 (six years ago) link

i get emos and screamos confused?

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:34 (six years ago) link

i love that there are ppl who are too cool to use the word emo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 02:07 (six years ago) link

lol i'm very uncool, i'm really good at being uncool ok!!!, i just never see people use it like that anymore

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 18 May 2014 05:15 (six years ago) link

:)

there's a bunch of godzillas on amazon prime, so rn i am rewatching og gojira :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 06:12 (six years ago) link

Is he actually bigger in this one than in the others?

cardamon, Sunday, 18 May 2014 21:05 (six years ago) link

The secret theme of this movie was the dangers of digital obsolescence

First they scared you by having the 15 year old data be on ZIP DISKS

You were like "Oh shit! How are they gonna read that zip disk!"

Then fifteen minutes later MOTU was firing EMP waves!

Bam! No more digital data at all! You gotta use a fucking handcarved swiss chronometer to detonate your bomb!

, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:45 (six years ago) link

BTW if you wanna save $10 I found a condensed version of the movie online thank me later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ3oOe3mdoQ

, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:51 (six years ago) link

LOL! They def made a point of letting us see the Big Blue Zip Drive onscreen for a moment.

andrew m., Tuesday, 20 May 2014 14:31 (six years ago) link

i was in love with this directors first film, which was basically before sunset with affectionate cgi monsters and a great riff on american/latin american relations/immigration in the background.
this though, was a failure.

the monsters were great, some of the best ive seen recently, genuinely scary and a bit alien-like, but not overtly derivative, and unlike the monsters in something like super 8, they felt tangible, and physical. but the rest of this film was totally underwhelming. the subtext, if you can call it that, was so ambivalent i couldnt tell what it was trying to say about nuclear technology (probably nothing at all, but felt it had to, because of the source movie). and i couldnt tell whether godzilla was good or bad until the very end, nor did i know what the other monsters were doing there.

sally hawkins looked like she was half doing a pisstake of blockbuster acting/half acting in a mike leigh film, juliette binoche was fine but pointless, brian cranston was meant to be a crank but didnt really get enough time to make me care. which basically left the son, who was just typically bland and someone i didnt give a shit about. the film was trying to be a bit of a spielberg-ish blockbuster, with the whole family theme and attempt at sentimentality, but it couldnt even do that right, as it never made you care about the family to begin with, before they got broken apart. all the spielberg touches also made me think that jj abrams might have done a better job, but that its a shame that for anyone trying to do a good blockbuster with a narrative and characters, they have to try and imitate 2nd hand spielberg - do modern directors have nothing of their own to add? basically, this was just a tragic waste - godzilla deserves better.

i think gareth edwards has got a lot of talent, but maybe blockbusters arent for him. hes not allowed to do unusual things with monsters in a movie as big as this, so maybe he needs to be allowed to make more low budget movies where monsters are nice to each other like they were in his debut.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:55 (six years ago) link

basically, this was pacific rim all over again.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:55 (six years ago) link

"any scene not involving kaiju is mostly annoying"

this is otm, which basically means the film can be cut down to about 30 minutes tops

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 20:57 (six years ago) link

i was pretty bored by this. i did like that godzilla moved and looked like a really expensive version of a guy in a rubber suit.

slam dunk, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:11 (six years ago) link

couldn't tell whether godzilla was good or bad until the very end, nor did i know what the other monsters were doing there.

It was pretty unambiguous by the end that Godzilla was the good guy. The muto monsters were trying to mate and build a nest. Not that hard to follow, man.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:22 (six years ago) link

i suppose, i was just bored and getting bored of waiting for godzilla to crush all the buildings, so didnt really care

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:40 (six years ago) link

jj had his shot at a monster movie and he goofed the ending, sorry man, no redos

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:49 (six years ago) link

Godzilla: The City Ravaging Monster with a Heart of Gold

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:55 (six years ago) link

I found this to be much more of a grim affair than Pacific Rim

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:56 (six years ago) link

xpost - or nuclear technology: possibly big and scary and dangerous but it could fight other scary and dangerous powers off for us so hey, its not all bad

this was better than pacific rim as it didnt have idris elba trying to be mr. shouty in it

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:58 (six years ago) link

Pacific Rim felt like it at least understood the 8-year old thing that rogermexico talked about above. It understood the whole 'more kaiju fighting less boring grownups', which I appreciated a lot. Obv that send it into the realm of 'big dumb movie' and I get that other ppl might view it that way
But del Toro was smart enough, at least to me, to just color the characters with primary colors, let's not go crazy with shades of grey and emotional resonance etc etc, just use them as a device to get to more fighting, and I was TOTALLY down with that

Godzilla only succeeds because of the monsters. Waaaaay too much boring grownups.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:02 (six years ago) link

was very very curious about this (loved pacific rim) but it's starting to sound like the kind of thing where i can catch time it to catch the last half hour while i'm at the theater to see some other garbage

balls, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:04 (six years ago) link

idk that i'd go that far

it's totally worth it to see a really gorgeously rendered Godzilla on screen. imo. I mean, if you've waited your whole life to see something like that, i mean.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:12 (six years ago) link

This was seriously po-faced and humourless and dreary and insultingly stupid. It was a lot like a mega-budget remake of Monsters in many respects.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:26 (six years ago) link

but then again, DavidM is pretty much otm.

I'm so torn! I dunno if I've ever hate/loved a movie so much

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:35 (six years ago) link

if vg doesn't like this that pretty much sinks my interest honestly

sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 22:51 (six years ago) link

Has anyone here seen the original 1954 Gojira? That's about as grim and po-faced as monster flicks get. It's downright mournful.

I came in expecting grim but I got a movie where Godzilla is not only not the villain, but is actually kind of a chaotic neutral chill bro.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:41 (six years ago) link

A movie that gives me sights such as G-dawg swimming peacefully while being flanked by aircraft carriers deserves the fucking oscar for best picture IMHO

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:45 (six years ago) link

We're talking the 8-year old Oscars mind you, but still

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:46 (six years ago) link

was hoping for a darker movie, like a Godzilla as absolute violence or freudian death instinct in which the big G is sorta secretly (or not so secretly) the hero because of the purity of his rage at us. something like the original film, I guess I'm saying, rather than the later films. don't think the idea of Godzilla as eco warrior hell bent on equilibrium is terribly interesting (and sorts pacifies the nature that is supposedly beyond our control, as the movie rightly posits). maybe even keep this idea but Godzilla's rage should be less...directed, I guess.

ryan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:47 (six years ago) link

A movie that gives me sights such as G-dawg swimming peacefully while being flanked by aircraft carriers deserves the fucking oscar for best picture IMHO

did love this

ryan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:47 (six years ago) link

I guess I wanted a "and fuck you San Francisco!" moment

ryan, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:48 (six years ago) link

Honestly the most absurd, suspension of disbelief killing thing in the entire movie was the fact that a soldier and a nurse could afford to live in San Francisco

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 23:52 (six years ago) link

Godzilla plus aircraft carriers was so fucking great

Wish the San Francisco stuff had been more Fincher with it's San Francisco details. Most of the inner city stuff except for the waterfront just looked like LA with fog

1954 Gojira is dope. And the thing with the 54 movie is it's like Gojira attacking Japan is almost like the lowest event on the totem pole of things that bum you out, like the aftermath with all the families and children and shit, and then the whole love triangle, the WAY that Godzilla is destroyed is brutal as hell.

The aftermath/consequences of Godzilla 54 is what really pushes it over the top for me. It's a fully realized reality from start to finish, complete with human suffering. I know I'm making myself sound like Goth Ebert (5 skulls, saddest movie EVER) but it gets to me so much. 54 Godzilla is grim no doubt but that's grim with heart and grit and meaning. Godzilla's just grim because the color palette is a) brown b) grey and aside from Cranston none of the characters have any kind of facial expression beyond 'sad staring eyes'.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:22 (six years ago) link

There's so many ways it could have been great. And for how awesome Godzilla looked and how well he was animated etc, it *deserved* to be a way better movie than it was.

the thing that bugged me a lot afterwards was the more I thought about it, the more the MUTOs were just a device to delay the Godzilla reveal. But once they're revealed and oh it's a male and a female and babies and...nothing.

idk.

I liked it a lot more when I walked out of the theater on Saturday than I do now that I've had to stew on it for a few days.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:30 (six years ago) link

ok i'm done

sorry

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:37 (six years ago) link

it could have easily be retooled into a much lower budget movie where you only see the kaiju battles on tvs in the background.

slam dunk, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:53 (six years ago) link

Needed more Raymond Burr lurking in the background ready to explain what was going on

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:55 (six years ago) link

Godzilla 54

I get so confused when these two words are next to each other b/c it makes me think people are talking about the 1998 Razzie awards.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 01:00 (six years ago) link

haha

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 01:02 (six years ago) link

Godzilla 54 Where Are You?

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 01:09 (six years ago) link

I never seen the original Godzilla but I thought this was fun

I appreciated the 'human' elements to this more than Pacific Rim, probably because they didn't try to be humorous (and then having the humor fall flat)

The best scene in the movie imo was the MUTO feasting on the carcass of the Russian nuke sub

, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:34 (six years ago) link

everyone needs to see original godzilla if they haven't already

or rewatch if you have

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:49 (six years ago) link

The worst part of this movie was having both the Muta AND Godzilla make eye contact with Bord

I appreciate latebloomer's point that this movie was just about kaiju fighting each other & humans were just spectators

But that totally broke the illusion

, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:51 (six years ago) link

fucking HATED that

this ain't Free Willy

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 03:43 (six years ago) link

the eye contact i mean

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 03:43 (six years ago) link

this ain't Free Willy

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:43 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

But we're not talking about XXX movie parodies

, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 03:52 (six years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 03:55 (six years ago) link

was hoping for a darker movie, like a Godzilla as absolute violence or freudian death instinct in which the big G is sorta secretly (or not so secretly) the hero because of the purity of his rage at us. something like the original film, I guess I'm saying, rather than the later films. don't think the idea of Godzilla as eco warrior hell bent on equilibrium is terribly interesting (and sorts pacifies the nature that is supposedly beyond our control, as the movie rightly posits). maybe even keep this idea but Godzilla's rage should be less...directed, I guess.

― ryan, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:47 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

Yeah I felt that this movie was lacking in active malevolence towards humans; in this sense it felt like a natural disaster movie

Even when the MOTU was messing shit up, its violence was oddly passive - helicopters flying into appendages unfortunately moved at the last minute, EMP waves that cause planes to fall out of the sky, people dying from tidal waves & not the monsters causing them. I think this movie was probably conceived directly after the 2011 Japanese tsunami, both the nuclear terror and the coastal destruction

latebloomer's point that this movie is just about kaiju fighting each other & humans being along for the ride goes some way towards explaining this away

But even in a natural disaster movie there's a fear of some kind of runaway domino effect causing the destruction of the Earth or something - I guess I couldn't get too worked up about either a nuke detonating in a (mostly) evacuated SF, or a bunch of baby MOTUs roaming the Earth looking for nukes and power plants (that'd be kind of cool, actually)

, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:08 (six years ago) link

I just loved the whole "weary old fighter" vibe from Godzilla. I loved the eye contact. It wasn't anything more than a brief moment of interspecies solidarity. "I feel ya bro." *falls asleep*

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:10 (six years ago) link

I wonder how many civilians the big G accidentally crushed on his way back to his home

I noticed a bunch of civilians on that pier & they were looking at him going in to the ocean

But they stayed on that pier and didn't die

, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:12 (six years ago) link

He killed a bunch of people coming ashore on Hawaii

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:13 (six years ago) link

dayo otm re absence of fear

it was a very passive disaster movie. the kaiju were popping nukes like uppers, total post-nuclear world iconography

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:30 (six years ago) link

if you're going to mention jj abrams then Cloverfield was a good Godzilla movie - monster from somewhere destroying everything.

have been watching the originals (the Classic Media versions are good with both the original japanese subtitled and the butchered american dubbed versions with insightful commentary on them. also dead cheap, about £4 from amazon, including postage). after about 4 he's jumping up and down clicking his heals when he wins. but Honda usually has something in there to make them worth watching.

(also, takeshi shimura was in both the original godzilla (and a couple of the sequels) AND seven samurai in the same year. he did 9 films that year)

would like to see the 80s reboot as they look a bit darker, more like the '54 version.

(the one 2000s reboot i saw had a kid in the van and someone walking along swinging a plank like something out of a charlie chaplin film. i didn't go any further.)

koogs, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:53 (six years ago) link

my god, this was atrosh

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:56 (six years ago) link

dude has some interesting ideas about how to make big movie monsters and shoot them, i kinda wished the movie was entirely about godzilla and his friends and no human characters

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:57 (six years ago) link

the build-up to first seeing any of the monsters was excruciating... all that dumb pointless backstory... really made me lol how juliette binoche and bryan cranston were just like "get me the fuck out of this movie NOW" *dies*

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:57 (six years ago) link

and whats-his-name... the lead dude... what a black hole...

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:58 (six years ago) link

love how they keep giving him kids to protect too haha

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:58 (six years ago) link

i mean there were points where i was like, are they going for a stilted 70s disaster movie thing here? but i dont think it was intentional

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:59 (six years ago) link

Yeah, Aaron Taylor-Johnson plays the lead. Such a weirdly disinterested hero. It's like nothing affects him; the death of his father, rampaging behemoths, nothing. I'm pretty sure he gets loads of people killed, too.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:18 (six years ago) link

All 3 generations of Godzilla suit wearers walking down the street together

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoNdSBaIUAAGiwE.jpg

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:20 (six years ago) link

<3 <3 <3 awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:37 (six years ago) link

and yeah they could have replaced the lead actor with a spoon and it would have been better

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:38 (six years ago) link

I really liked him in that Anna Karenina movie with Keira Knightly, but maybe that role was better suited for him.

ryan, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:40 (six years ago) link

I have such sympathy for Mr Veg.

How long do you think Ken Watanabe has known his US career would involve Gojira at some point?

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:40 (six years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:41 (six years ago) link

it's weird to me that they played the non-Godzilla stuff so blandly (unless there's some meta level to it I'm missing). you've got Godzilla in your movie, there's really no way you can build the "human" story around him in a way that's gonna dampen ticket sales. why not take some small risks at least?

ryan, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:47 (six years ago) link

how dare you sir. they studied Jaws very carefully what more do you want?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:50 (six years ago) link

Yeah Fort was really bland, by design it seemed

, Friday, 23 May 2014 01:27 (six years ago) link

I finally got around to seeing this, with my daughter. Several thoughts, perhaps addressed above by others, by I'd been avoiding the thread til I saw it:

The good:

1) Love that they made Godzilla an unabashed good guy. My daughter's reaction, pretty much, was "Aw, he's a nice guy after all!"
2) Some of the shots were oddly beautiful
3) Some of the things that made me like "Monsters" were ported over directly to this. A quarantine zone, the notion of the monsters just going about their business while the people freak out, even the notion, iirc, of the monsters mating ritual being the thing that freaks people out.
4) The Godzilla design was great, a strong update of the model.
5) Nice nods to the franchise, from the Mothra in a tank to the requisite antipathy for trains and bridges.

The bad:

1) Not enough Godzilla. Dude is so lazy in this, just taking his time getting to the bad guys, swimming away. That was half the movie. More than half.
2) A great, great cast, all but wasted by making them stick to repetitive, seconds-eating reaction shots. Cranston might by chewing the screen off, but while he's there at least he livens things up. Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins, let alone Binoche, for major, respected actors, have next to nothing to do but stare. The cast of "Pacific Rim" was more colorful (in every sense).
3) Soooo many shots of some mass slowly approaching and filling the screen. Smoke, dust, light, water. I know this is par, but again, felt super repetitive. I saw it in 2D, but maybe 3D would have made this stuff worth while?
4) The fact that despite the huge budget, and all the potential, and, come on, the more or less foolproof formula of giant monsters destroy city, this movie echoed bits of previous movies that let people down, for the same reasons. Like the egg stuff, from the last shit Godzilla reboot. Or (literally) backgrounding so much of the action in favor of people and their not compelling story, like "Pacific Rim." If anything, they spent too much time on the writing and felt the need to have their A+ actors just talk, even though said talk advanced the story not one bit and in fact slowed everything down to a portentous crawl.

Monsters" worked (imo) as an under the radar cult film driven by some DIY invention and an original story, but the things that made "Monsters" interesting - slow pace, foregrounding the people and backgrounding the monsters, given the monsters a strange sort of primordial innocence - have no place in a $180 million dollar Godzilla movie.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 May 2014 13:42 (six years ago) link

yeah i wonder what a non-mega budget studio version of godzilla directed by him might have been like. obviously no one would ever greenlight that, but id like to see him make more monster movies, just not through hollywood studios.

StillAdvance, Sunday, 25 May 2014 09:06 (six years ago) link

um idk if you're serious but he did make one? It's called "Monsters" - it's how he got the Godzilla gig.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:58 (six years ago) link

um i know and ive seen that already, im just wondering if hes better suited to somewhere between indie and tentpole

StillAdvance, Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:29 (six years ago) link

ok sorry didnt mean to be a dick

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:30 (six years ago) link

Isn't he doing a Star Wars movie now?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:41 (six years ago) link

This Godzilla would have been a perfect vehicle for his talents had Godzilla not spent 3/4 of the movie swimming across the ocean. It's called Godzilla. No need for a slow, dramatic reveal. We know the drill. It's Godzilla. Make him fight monsters.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:43 (six years ago) link

one shot of him swimming then cut to one of those dotted maps like in Bugs Bunny or Indiana Jones

now you have 30 more minutes of monstertime

problem solved! next

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 19:18 (six years ago) link

I really liked San Francisco as Boschian hellscape -- the sequence where the paratroopers drop into it over Ligeti wailing with their red flares trailing like streams of blood is pretty great. And i guess they agree since they put that on all the posters.

Also thought this got the massive heft and weight of giant monster fighting better than Pacific Rim; kaiju in the latter were a bit too fast and agile, which kind of subtly undermined the sense of scale, that these are like skyscrapers come to life

anonanon, Monday, 26 May 2014 17:15 (six years ago) link

I already forget, why did that one monster fly from Japan to San Fran? To get to the other monster? Wasn't it near Vegas? You'd think Los Angeles would have been a more centrally located destruction zone.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 May 2014 20:05 (six years ago) link

Lol no bldgs to destroy in LA. What are they gonna do, take a schvitz in the port?

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 May 2014 20:27 (six years ago) link

Godzilla 2: Schvitz in the Port

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 26 May 2014 20:57 (six years ago) link

They could have at least had a mutant monster emerge from the tar pits.

There are a few bldgs to destroy in LA, but yeah, it wouldn't take long. Not that San Fran is some huge towering metropolis.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 00:07 (six years ago) link

Well, we have bridges

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 00:34 (six years ago) link

They should have had them fight in the redwoods, which surely would have illustrated the shock of mass destruction in a more personal way than all that empty steel and glass. People would be wincing at them destroying trees as old as they are.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 00:37 (six years ago) link

i thought this was pretty good.

too bad about the main bro being such a nothing.

goole, Sunday, 1 June 2014 23:54 (six years ago) link

The airdrop scene is so amazing, wanted the entire film to be like that. When the monster is supposed to be some sort of primordial God, then the pictures has better be sublime, and they just weren't. The scene going into the quarantined zone especially needed to be much more striking, this is nature winning over civilization, this is the thematic point of the film, SHOW IT. But nah, some bugs, and then father and son arguing.

Still, liked it for what it was. Just not as much as I'd hoped I would.

Frederik B, Monday, 2 June 2014 00:30 (six years ago) link

^^ OTM

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 June 2014 00:34 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

saw the original gojira at a local theater last night. kind of a revelation. certainly the darkest and most genuinely affecting monster movie i've ever seen.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 June 2014 18:32 (six years ago) link

right?!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 June 2014 18:51 (six years ago) link

loved the scene on the subway where someone says something like 'i survived nagasaki just to go through this?'

kind of expected it to be a fun curio but it's a legitimately great film, crazy to think it was eclipsed here by the raymond burr-ized version for so many years.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:12 (six years ago) link

gojira/godzilla's death is also really really sad, which is all the more effective somehow because they didn't do what every other monster movie does and try to make him the 'hero.' the whole underwater sequence is gorgeous and devastating.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:18 (six years ago) link

the love triangle seems kinda rmde early on but it totally pays off at the end

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:53 (six years ago) link

KING of the MONSTERS...

...SAVIOR of the CITY?!?!?!?!?!

(saw this tonight with GB and dug it quite a bit. There may have been fist-pumping at the "We call him..." line.)

Pono For Pyros (zero of the signified), Sunday, 22 June 2014 05:23 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i kinda wished the movie was entirely about godzilla and his friends and no human characters

― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:57 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was also how I felt about the new Apes movie. Maybe the solution is to have a Godzilla vs Planet of the Apes, with no people at all.

(Took the kids to see this at the discount theater today, is why the thread revive. We were all bored by the people-talking parts, but enjoyed the battles. Totally agree that it's more a natural disaster movie than a monster movie.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 19 July 2014 21:31 (six years ago) link

Saw this a month ago with my son and he's been obsessed with all things Godzilla since then. He's watched every bit of Godzilla video he could find on Netflix and YouTube and has lectured me at length about what a travesty the 1998 film was despite never having seen it so far.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Saturday, 19 July 2014 21:59 (six years ago) link

your son otm

your son ILX

boney tassel (sic), Sunday, 20 July 2014 01:49 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

really really hate this trend of b-movie seriousification. especially when it's visually so bland and grey.

nauru, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:46 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

The Bryan Cranston half of this is a tremendous boat anchor to the anonymously good monster fighting to come. I suppose I liked it but I'm not in any hurry to see a follow-up - unlike Pacific Rim and those wacky early 2000 movies like Godzilla Final Wars, Tokyo SOS, etc.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 04:17 (six years ago) link

Oh man, just the other day I was like "hey, I just remembered there's going to be a new Godzilla reboot, when's it coming out?" and it seems the answer is "Five months ago."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 04:27 (six years ago) link

Godzilla/Kaiju Halloween party happening at my house this weekend. My son is going to be Ultraman, I'll be Dr. Serizawa, and my wife and her sister will be Mothra fairies.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 12:55 (six years ago) link

wow!

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:45 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

This... was pretty good! Surprised they actually put this much effort into it, especially in terms of world building and backstory. Great twists to make Mothra (erm M.U.T.O.) the villain and make Godzilla the hero. Thought the movie looked and sounded amazing overall.
Cranston casting did lift the movie way higher than it would've been otherwise.
Watanabe was hilariously one note, cast only to deliver one great line - "LET THEM FIGHT."

Nhex, Sunday, 4 January 2015 22:10 (six years ago) link

This... was not pretty good! Loads of unnecessary characters to not care about, scenery chewing acting, generally dumb plot. Well filmed tho'.

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 January 2015 02:32 (six years ago) link

really really hate this trend of b-movie seriousification. especially when it's visually so bland and grey.
― nauru, Wednesday, August 27, 2014

very very otm

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 January 2015 02:33 (six years ago) link

Watched this last night. Think I would have enjoyed it a lot but holy shit it was too dark. Like, all I'm looking at is a black screen with occasional splotches of light and shadow flashing across it. A good percentage of the movie I just couldn't tell what was going on at all. Could have been so much more.

how's life, Sunday, 25 January 2015 12:24 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

thought this was really fuckin good tbh

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 1 June 2015 01:25 (five years ago) link

good score

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 1 June 2015 01:42 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Liked the first, this new one is boring and drab af

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 June 2019 00:18 (one year ago) link

Vera Farigma deserves a purple heart for having to say her lines w a straight face.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 June 2019 00:19 (one year ago) link

sally hawkins looked like she was half doing a pisstake of blockbuster acting/half acting in a mike leigh film, juliette binoche was fine but pointless, brian cranston was meant to be a crank but didnt really get enough time to make me care. which basically left the son, who was just typically bland and someone i didnt give a shit about. the film was trying to be a bit of a spielberg-ish blockbuster, with the whole family theme and attempt at sentimentality, but it couldnt even do that right, as it never made you care about the family to begin with, before they got broken apart. all the spielberg touches also made me think that jj abrams might have done a better job, but that its a shame that for anyone trying to do a good blockbuster with a narrative and characters, they have to try and imitate 2nd hand spielberg - do modern directors have nothing of their own to add? basically, this was just a tragic waste - godzilla deserves better.

i just saw the new one!! my first godzilla ever, too, very auspicious beginning

i had no problems at all with the human story, maybe because i am in love with vera farmiga from way back, but it seemed very economical and functional. reading the above i wonder if maybe they decided to give this one a scientist father with a dead son betrayed by his scientist wife who is betrayed by her daughter in order to try and land squarely on the associations of dangerous-mother mythography, not just for its own sake but to make a clear break with the story of the last one. so if there is family stuff here it is muted because the family is itself all invested in the kinds of weird naturalist preoccupations that are more mythopoetically potent than i-must-save-my-childson junk.

there was very little talking at length here, mainly just quick jabs and lots of good face-emoting. probably no less of a natural disaster style movie than the first, going by what i've read, but it seems pretty sweet that by the end the humans are revering the apex predator just like the other titans are. cool also to be smacked in the face by the symbolism that godzilla is a replacement ie MORE PRIMAL jesus christ figure

stoked to see supercharged godzilla fucking blasting the shit out of gidorah, i think i actually wanna go back right away and see this thing again

ZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT

j., Saturday, 1 June 2019 03:57 (one year ago) link

watched the previous one too. the new one is waay more fun, and the natural disaster framing is dialied back a lot more than i guessed above. apparently they decided to be self-conscious about the difference because the direction is not as naturalistic as the previous one. there are several quick camera zooms, mainly associated with the monsters, that i recognize from somewhere in pop culture as being a thing from the old films.

j., Saturday, 1 June 2019 07:56 (one year ago) link

Very little talking at length? All the talking at length is why I eventually peaced out on the movie.

After enjoying a few drably hewed monster battles, we had to be subjected to yet another iteration of League of Shadows "we must destroy this world and rebuild it to save it" M.O.

The film is glum and always shots in greys in the rain. There's no fun to be had. I tuned out the bad writing and looked forward to the monster fights and the first few were awesome but then back to 20 minutes of military chatter.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 June 2019 12:31 (one year ago) link

I'm really surprised no movies have taken the lead of Deep Blue Sea and killed major characters mid rousing speech.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 June 2019 13:16 (one year ago) link

saw it again!

i do think the first one is a lot talkier, not that it is all that verbose.

the main speeches in the new one are vera farmiga's to the monarch team, and serizawa's briefer 'long fortune cookie' speech to kyle chandler.

i think it makes sense to view the dialogue and plot in light of the way the direction relates the humans to the monsters. in the first movie it seems like there was quite a bit of viewing through glass, behind windows, through frames, etc., in keeping with the way the monsters were kept pretty far off. (obviously that's one of many technical tactics for getting verisimilitude at the same time that costs can be managed. i'd really like to see some numbers on how minimizing the amount of front-and-center monster screentime in such an expensive production helps them maximize various budget areas against the box office sales!) and with the engineer-scientist cranston dead early on and serizawa and colleague in more of dispassionate-observer scientist roles, the human agency in the first one is centered on soldiers and emergency relief types (one of the more striking acts in the latter half is the school bus driver fuckin going for it when he sees fit), where the all-too-vulnerable human space is within a world human beings have constructed for themselves and their purposes.

this one starts right off with a lot of stuff that basically amounts to passing through those panes of visibility / protectiveness, if not their being broken (DO NOT TAP ON GLASS etc), which serves the definition of the roles of the scientists (the main centers of agency now). vera farmiga (who starts out living amid the rainforest in a house with a giant picture window onto the mothra site) starts out quite resolutely dashing thru the airlock thingy for what seems like reasons of confidence in her theory for her gadget, although given her cooperation with the ecoterrorists you can see that retrospectively as part of her general agenda of releasing the monsters (for what the family backstory depicts as murky un-worked-thru reasons). kyle chandler, who starts out 'in the safest place he could be' (implication: vera farmiga realizes she is endangering people but thinks he is out of harm's way), is practically among the wolves in the field, but watching and photographing through a telephoto lens, i.e. he is someone who is pragmatic (more than once later he is the person who 'can't just sit here' and do nothing; consider his trick solution, the just-in-time use of the hatch door to expel and engulf/embrace what's outside the protective hull of human agency, to the pickup of the helicopter or whatever later on) but recognizes the sense or prudence or wisdom in staying behind the glass. their daughter starts out between them, unsure about how to balance her relationship: her dad's ashamed of having become a drunk before her, and he's doing self-penance among the wolves, but his daughter is having doubts about whether or not to sell out her mom for what she knows she has been planning. when mothra is first released and later when they go to release gidorah, the daughter reaches out to touch them. her dad would never do that but her mom's work on the echolocation gizmo connects her with the monsters via the sense of sound that gets used throughout the movie to underscore spatial relations between things (all those radar/sonar/etc. circles on the screens) and to put a point on the audio half of the 'spectacle' by making as many of the sounds as possible manifest in the form of visible waves of contact between bodes, and the daughter seems to share in that association throughout (when she's holed up in the second half before taking off with the gizmo, it's in the radio room, for example).

an interesting thing about the family is that their bit of backstory shown at the beginning ties them in different ways to the experience of godzilla and other titans, specifically to seeing them. i think the mom has that tinge of reverential awe at godzilla early on that you see from the daughter near the end (played with kind of a that-big-galoot grin that reflects the audience awareness of the fictive goofiness of the 'character', but also i think a kind of relish in destructiveness that also reflects an audience pleasure), and from the others once godzilla has reclaimed the apex predator spot. this would help explain her motivation, the open embrace of nature's inhumanity that is on display in her big speech (not without exposure of the denial underlying it, her not having accepted the way her son was lost). the father is shown differently, in a kind of abject frozen resignation that he repeats later with gidorah, and that the mother repeats later once she thinks she has chosen to sacrifice herself to him (for the sake of her daughter and the others, she probably thinks, but it seems pretty evident that she's trying to punish herself for her earlier actions).

j., Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:23 (one year ago) link

the visual domain is the one we associate with the director so if i were developing a comprehensive read on this i would try to use that to understand a weirdness of vera farmiga's big speech. as with most modern action-adventure type pictures this thing is absolutely inundated with screens on the screen, windows for the characters onto the action and down-to-the-second plot info available whenever it needs to be extracted from the whole contraption. the design on it all is really, really complex, in a way that makes me hope, at least, that the director's visual sense would contain an important part of his larger intent. farmiga's speech comes mainly via a video communication that's thrown up on a multi-screen monitor for the monarch folx, with the result that it has big ol vertical and horizontal scores thru the image that i would say emphasize its visual character and discourage the audience from automatically cancelling it out and just seeing the monarch folx and her 'talking to' each other, as so much would make them do. so they're set to notice one of the weirder things in the direction, which is that vera farmiga's little speech is inter-cut with like newsreel footage, as if she has prepared a visual aid or a communique produced for broadcast or something. in context that does NOT seem supported by the plot or character or whatever, so i think it makes more sense to take it as a directorial intervention, 'breaking through the glass' of the film with the use of an incongruous visual technique.

to what end?? uh

i'm not sure but the danger in 'breaking through the glass' is that you are no longer protected by distance, by mere observation. in the story-world, on the other side of the camera glass, this is depicted with the camera in terms of godzilla's privilege of gazing directly into the camera, not in a point-of-view type shot (though he gets those too) but so as to break through the fourth wall and look upon the audience, and for them to look upon him and feel whatever feelings of awe and terror and admiration he can stir up in them (that's the meaning of his sneering grin, that he knows he has this power over us too, even though we cannot be stomped by him). so what the audience is in danger of is a kind of terrified, fixed gaze at the biggest possible dangers that imperil them. near the end of the film there is a bit of jubilation at having helped 'the big guy', at having been helped by him, but i think zhang ziyi's bit on it gets at the film's true position, which is not just according to what she says—'for now'—but her saying so out of that same attitude of awestruck reverence at the apex predator. which is to say, its purposes are not ours, our belief that we are 'cooperating' is prone to delusion, we will let our terror be explained by any nominally self-empowering story about our situation and what we've done that helps us downplay our powerlessness. (presumably it is her ecstatic reaction to mothra that enables her to recognize this.)

the characters the movie selects out as wisest are dr serizawa and (in the pragmatic man-of-action mode i guess) kyle chandler (only AFTER he confronts godzilla face-to-face and realizes that his son's being killed or not killed by godzilla was beyond a matter of discretion, just like his not being killed by godzilla seems to have nothing to do with a kind of humane gratitude or respect at having been helped by the non-alpha humans), who is taught about acceptance and faith by serizawa. who also reaches out to touch godzilla, but only in a context where he fully accepts that this coincides with his death. and who is shown to become momentarily godzilla-like—foot stomping up the stairs—as he is about to do so, let's say, accepting his role in the natural order of things. serizawa also gets to have one of the legit BIG FEEL moments of the movie, a weird one though for conventional storylines—passing on his personal notes to another scientist. one true observer recognizing another.

j., Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:24 (one year ago) link

the server literally told me my post was too long

j., Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:24 (one year ago) link

I only saw the trailer and haven't read the thread but America will never be able to make a good Godzilla movie

flappy bird, Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:57 (one year ago) link

not while they remain un-nuked anyway

naked rollercoaster-riding world record holder (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 2 June 2019 07:04 (one year ago) link

watching this now - some incredibly boring moments of people talking with awkward voiceovers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_vs._King_Ghidorah

| (Latham Green), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:53 (one year ago) link

lmao

Gerald Glaubitz of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association appeared alongside director Kazuki Ōmori on Entertainment Tonight and condemned the film as being in "very poor taste" and detrimental to American-Japanese relations, allegations that Ōmori denied, stating that the American extras in the film had been "happy about being crushed and squished by Godzilla."

JoeStork, Saturday, 15 June 2019 16:13 (one year ago) link

god this was fucking dire

too many people blathering terrible exposition-heavy dialogue & too much goddamn rain & not enough tension/cool monster stuff

it played like a way shittier version of Armageddon but with monsters

also they talked about Mothra for the entire movie & you only get to see 10 minutes ~maybe~

seriously fuck this movie even more than the last one

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:17 (one year ago) link

there should be an international law barring Americans from being involved in the production of Godzilla movies, the results always suck shit

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:25 (one year ago) link

VG otm. My daughter loved it and I went based on her recommendation, came out thinking "ugh, such shiiiiiiiit." Kaiju is just not for me, Japanese or American.

I am curious (george) (slight return) (WmC), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:31 (one year ago) link

i love Japanese kaiju but these iterations have been moronic & even worse, hella boring

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:52 (one year ago) link

shakey otm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:52 (one year ago) link

supercharged godzilla fucking blasting the shit out of gidorah

ZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT

j., Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:56 (one year ago) link

THere's more to follow judging by the after credits scene.
BuT yeah did seem a little cliched to say the least.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:05 (one year ago) link

i’m ok with cliches in this genre

i’m not ok with filmmakers thinking that i give two craps about badly written characters who feel ~things~ and do things for ~reasons~ but who serve no story function except to bridge monster scenes
if that’s what they are just make them even broader and even dumber, don’t act like we are ever going to care about them.

i saw something like oh dark phoenix and godzilla tanked is this the end of the summer blockbuster?
Yeah, it is, if you show complete disdain for your audience by just dumping a bucket of boring shit in their laps when they’re paying $$ to come see yr fkn movie. ugh.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:25 (one year ago) link

ZZZZZZZZZTTTTT

j., Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:47 (one year ago) link

i keep meaning go back to read j.s superlong posts

vg what did you think of skull island

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:45 (one year ago) link

Im not vg but Skull Island was way better than this ish imho

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:53 (one year ago) link

I saw this a second time to see if my opinion changed. Sadly it didn't and the friend of mine who begged me to see it with him got bored and fell asleep :/

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:54 (one year ago) link

Skull Island was pure stupidity but def on the enjoyable end of the spectrum for me. The vietnam-war-movie parody element went a long way with me, also John C Reilly.
Tom Hiddleston was not a great choice of leading man though.

Also Kong wrestling the Trogdor Pterodactyl was pretty dope.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:09 (one year ago) link

hmm ok was hoping youd hated it so i could gleefully disregard yr pan of this but no such luck it appears

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link

yr welcome

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:30 (one year ago) link

might still go tbrrwu

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:33 (one year ago) link

I'd figure you would never run out of movie ideas for someone in a big lizard suit.

earlnash, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:36 (one year ago) link

I would totally see a movie where everything was state of the art CG *except* Godzilla, who was a man in suit.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:37 (one year ago) link

xxpost i get it - hell i went today know that there was a good chance it was going to be bad

gotta see to believe

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:38 (one year ago) link

yeah....and despite the criticisms above ringing v true based on trailer....i mean monsters on a big screen with the bass HHHHHOOOOMMMMM noise yknow?

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:40 (one year ago) link

nmmnmnrhrrhrmnrmnr mnmrnrmnrnmnrrrhrrr rrmnmnrrRRRRRRRRHHGHGHRRR WWOWOWOWOWHWHRHRMRMRMRMRMMRMRMRRM

ZZZZZZZZTTZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

j., Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:45 (one year ago) link

basically yes i fuckin love it

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:47 (one year ago) link

ents are kaiju dont @ me

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:48 (one year ago) link

electro monsters are not enough when TWO THIRDS of the movie is Concerned nonsensical humans

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

ents are totally kaiju

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

i kaiju knot

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:51 (one year ago) link

the concerned nonsensical humans are like. true to the source material

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:57 (one year ago) link

This is like sub-Friday Night Lights drama

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:04 (one year ago) link

the humans aren't there for you to care about

they are there for the mythopoesis

j., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:15 (one year ago) link

WOWOWOMROMWOMWOMWOMORWMOMWWWWRWRWRRW

j., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:16 (one year ago) link

many xpost concerned nonsensical humans take on new layers of nonsense in *this* movie lemme tell ya

plus it’s not the fact of them that bugs me, it’s that we spend way too much time with them & everything about them is eyerollingly dumb/boring/both

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:48 (one year ago) link

sounds more like a documentary amirite hey

godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:58 (one year ago) link

The humans were presented as if you were supposed to care deeply about them and their motivations, except they were completely unsympathetic and their motivations made zero sense.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:38 (one year ago) link

otm

then again tho i mean thank god they all took turns standing around explaining themselves to each other or we would have never known their deeply stupid reasons

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:43 (one year ago) link

I spent a good chunk of the movie trying to connect the family with the first movie only to learn they weren't in it. Yet they were presented as if we'd be totally familiar with them from the beginning.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:47 (one year ago) link

that's myths for ya

j., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:48 (one year ago) link

I did like the monsters though. King Ghidorah was cool.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:50 (one year ago) link

King Ghidorah was pretty neat
I liked how beefy they made Godzilla too

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:23 (one year ago) link

Wait they weren’t in the first movie? Christ, this movie seems even dumber now, was the dead son that they won’t shut up about in it at least?

JoeStork, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:42 (one year ago) link

I don't think so, but that's what I'm saying! The treat the kid as a tragedy we're supposed to be familiar with. False memories, maaan.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:47 (one year ago) link

Was anyone from this besides Ken Watanabe in the first one?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:53 (one year ago) link

they were not in it; everything about them is at the beginning of this one, which writes them marginally into the events in san francisco from the last one. doctor serizawa his colleague and the david straithairn admiral are holdovers. plus the big guy obviously.

j., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:55 (one year ago) link

absolute unit

godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:15 (one year ago) link

Man, Shin Godzilla was soooooo weird. Also pretty boring, like watching a filmed radio play at times. But cool destruction, guess.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:29 (one year ago) link

I described Shin Godzilla as "nonstop panic" so I guess we disagree on that. It's an office drama as much as anything but I was into it.

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:31 (one year ago) link

I thought there was not enough panic! Everyone was really cool and collected and practical and reasonable, almost to comic effect.

"If we were to devise a coagulate, maybe we can hinder Godzilla's cooling abilities."
"Yes, that is a very good idea. What time is it?"
"It's 5:42."
"Hmm, at this hour the traffic could be pretty terrible. Can we get a helicopter?"
"Maybe. Here, fill out these three forms and we'll send it over to accounting to see if we have enough funds left."
"Oh no."
"What is it?"
"The printer is out of ink."
"Damn. Can you check the filing cabinet?"
"Hmm, let me see. No, it's locked. Do you have the key?"
"I think there's a copy of the key with the secretary."
"Great. In the meantime, are you staying hydrated?"
"Yes, but the water bubbler will need to be replaced soon."
"Hmm, good point. Perhaps we can have someone make a run to Costco for a case of bottled water?"
"That's a very good idea, but Godzilla has destroyed the main road."
"Damn again. How about the Americans? Can they deliver some water?"
"We can ask, but the treaty does not outline water distribution, only recycling protocol that addresses the empty bottles."
"This is a terrible development."

And every line of that exchange would be delivered by a different character in a suit and take place in a different anonymous bunker or board room. And then Godzilla would do something cool.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:09 (one year ago) link

Shin Godzilla is great but it is fundamentally about meetings iirc

Kinda funny, considering these films as reflections of the anxieties of the societies that produce them, how detonating nuclear warheads is like super cazh in these latest American ones

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:10 (one year ago) link

xp yes exactly, it’s a satire

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:11 (one year ago) link

I guess as a satire it's pretty amusing? Except googly-eyed Godzilla is pretty menacing in this one, which undercuts the satire.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:20 (one year ago) link

Wait why?

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:27 (one year ago) link

It’s satirising the Japanese bureaucratic response to natural disasters, how is that undercut by the disaster being scary

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:28 (one year ago) link

did he mean papercut

godfellaz (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:40 (one year ago) link

I suppose I just found the satire kind of dumb, because like I said, everything they wanted to do made perfect practical sense. If they are already worrying about floods and nuclear reactors and things of that nature in the movie, what difference does it make to throw in a giant supernatural monster? I mean, it works just as well as a satire of Godzilla films!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:41 (one year ago) link

Maybe we just live in a post satire world.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:43 (one year ago) link

I saw it less as a satire and more as a compelling office drama. You can only get away with going that deep on the minutea of office decision-making when the fate of Tokyo is on the line. Probably a big part of the appeal of (certain) war movies as well.

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Saturday, 22 June 2019 23:17 (one year ago) link

> how detonating nuclear warheads is like super cazh in these latest American ones

If you are stupid enough to watch the straight to TV films on the horror channel you'll see they fix everything with nuclear weapons. Asteroids, tornados, alien invasions, you name it.

Shin Godzilla was a bit weird, yes, but I'd still take it over the last two Hollywood Godzillas (not seen the new one)

koogs, Sunday, 23 June 2019 00:43 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

rewatching the recent Hollywood Godzilla venture and, yes, it does a lot less with a huge budget than many low budget Godzilla movies

they really leaned too hard into the family drama aspects and boring white guy gets too much screen time

the plot about humans deciding to revive the "titans" in order to correct a planet out of balance, only to realize they've unleashed something that's not of earth, has some legs

tbh the best -- and maybe only good character -- is Ken Watanabe who gets all the reaction shots telling the real plot. he gets that something much bigger is going on, and his sacrifice in the movie is a good depiction of pure religious devotion to something he fears but respects

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Saturday, 8 February 2020 17:10 (one year ago) link

otm. couldn't believe all my kaiju friends were going gonzo for this, because the Vera Farmiga storyline was fuckin' terrible.

by the time the big battle happened I was bored af

ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Saturday, 8 February 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

WOWOWOMROMWOMWOMWOMORWMOMWWWWRWRWRRW

― j., Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:16 PM (seven months ago)

j., Saturday, 8 February 2020 17:17 (one year ago) link

too much time spent showing us that humans are completely irrelevant and incapable of having any effect at all -- just report that the monsters killed all the people offscreen and give us some monster fights with better lighting

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Saturday, 8 February 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

Never commented on this thread I guess, but I did love the 2014 one.

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 February 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

yeah this recent one was bad but there was a moment where someone is watching tv and to scenes of giant monsters going apeshit all over the globe a newscaster says in totally flat-affect newscaster voice "this is the worst disaster in human history!" and I totally lost it.

ryan, Saturday, 8 February 2020 18:14 (one year ago) link

it does suffer or benefit from the script curse where anything that tries to be funny falls flat but lines like that are hilarious

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Saturday, 8 February 2020 18:35 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

I mean, I suppose it gets points for the number of ridiculous lines of dialogue they can squeeze into one trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claci32Zjvc

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 18:27 (three months ago) link

that preview belongs to some different pre-covid world where we were supposed to take this even vaguely seriously.

"godzilla's out there and he's hurting people and we don't know why!"

so much stuttering NAAAAAAAAAOWWWWWW effect

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 January 2021 21:50 (three months ago) link

kong’s constantly shifting size is one of the weirdest things about this “franchise,” from 1933 on. presumably a kong tall enough to battle godzilla would also be too big to stand comfortably on top of the empire state building.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:02 (three months ago) link

Insurance companies raising rates in NY

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:03 (three months ago) link

also had to rewatch the part where kong somehow stops godzilla’s radioactive breath in midair and pushes it back at him a few times just to make sure i hadn’t imagined it

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:05 (three months ago) link

Doesn't he reflect it with something? But seriously, Godzilla has rage and *range*, how can they even consider this a fair fight? Maybe Godzilla is just really dumb, and Kong has giant ape smarts.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:10 (three months ago) link

can't wait for all the "this movie is antireptile and kong is canceled" lolz, oh how meme-y it will be

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:16 (three months ago) link

godzilla vs. pong pic.twitter.com/Li9sz8JcBM

— Fred Delicious (@Fred_Delicious) January 24, 2021

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:19 (three months ago) link

The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall. - Godzilla

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:59 (three months ago) link

kong’s constantly shifting size is one of the weirdest things about this “franchise,” from 1933 on. presumably a kong tall enough to battle godzilla would also be too big to stand comfortably on top of the empire state building.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

He doesn't even appear to have a consistent size in this one trailer. The obvious way to pitch it for me would be to have Kong be much smaller than Godzilla, but also much more cunning.

chap, Monday, 25 January 2021 09:40 (three months ago) link

presumably a kong tall enough to battle godzilla would also be too big to stand comfortably on top of the empire state building.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:02 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Post 9/11 structural standards imo

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Monday, 25 January 2021 10:30 (three months ago) link

can't imagine any value from watching this trailer that wouldn't be bettered by watching Shin Godzilla or the '33 Kong again

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 25 January 2021 10:42 (three months ago) link

that preview belongs to some different pre-covid world where we were supposed to take this even vaguely seriously

yeah "THIS YEAR, ONE WILL FALL" maybe not the best tagline for a 2021 trailer idk

I suggest GODZILLA VS KONG: WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT?

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:36 (three months ago) link

I'm not really keen on Kong's neatly trimmed hipster beard.

chap, Monday, 25 January 2021 13:47 (three months ago) link

Will this be the franchise entry that finally tackles the issue of the monsters' respective digestive processes?

eating a jester in the blacksmith's shop (Matt #2), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:33 (three months ago) link

Gizzardilla

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:58 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Would be awesome if the upcoming CGI headache turned out to be another secret reboot of "Blair Witch."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 March 2021 16:39 (one month ago) link

Loved GODZILLA VS. KONG! Great, comprehensible action, a fittingly gonzo story, and they did an incredible job hiding their big twist (for most of the movie, both Godzilla and Kong are very, very small)

— ben mekler (@benmekler) March 21, 2021

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 March 2021 18:00 (one month ago) link

The script is rotten, but kid me would have ate this up. Daylight CGI Godzilla! Kong! They fight! More than once! And a third joins in! Kids save the day!

And as someone noted elsewhere, Kong has an axe.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:00 (one month ago) link

watching tonight

:D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:06 (one month ago) link

MZS review just batshit enough to get me thinking i might do the same this weekend

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 1 April 2021 04:33 (one month ago) link

i am 2/3 through

this is batshit and dumb and really good
i already think i love it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 April 2021 04:54 (one month ago) link

guys i think

i’m pretty sure

that this rules?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 April 2021 05:35 (one month ago) link

Yeah, solid stuff. These two tweets are complementary and accurate:

Totally appreciated that Godzilla Vs Kong was apparently scripted by a 12-year-old boy after eating all his Halloween candy at once - this is not a diss

— Art Of Coop (@ARTofCOOP) April 1, 2021



So #GodzillavsKong was great but once again too much humans talking about some bullshit

— Kiki La Double Mask will be at the hospital bar (@kdc) April 1, 2021



Also fully appreciate this:

In case anyone is wondering, #GodzillaVsKong's Jia is played by a Deaf actress, Kaylee Hottle and I hope this debut role leads to so many more. I loved her! pic.twitter.com/zDVKGSuMtS

— Kate Sánchez⁷ (@OhMyMithrandir) March 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 April 2021 05:52 (one month ago) link

Junkie XL did an awesome job w the score too

Wingard references a lot of things in my wheelhouse in this interview & I think it explains why the movie worked so well. Dude just GETS it

https://filmschoolrejects.com/godzilla-vs-kong-adam-wingard-interview/

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 April 2021 05:55 (one month ago) link

can’t wait to watch this ! Loved “ Skull Island”.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 1 April 2021 05:59 (one month ago) link

this is MUCH better than Skull Island, and crazier

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 April 2021 06:06 (one month ago) link

Isn’t “too much humans talking about some bullshit” a major part of the Godzilla experience

Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 1 April 2021 06:28 (one month ago) link

Like the effects are expensive and you gotta hit the runtime so put some people you don’t care about in there talking about stuff that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t matter

Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 1 April 2021 06:28 (one month ago) link

Talking scenes in kaiju films should be funny or camp, that's what the '60s/'70s Godzilla films understood

Josefa, Thursday, 1 April 2021 13:41 (one month ago) link

Kong: Skull Island was that

the previous two Godzilla films have been deathly boring though

Number None, Thursday, 1 April 2021 13:44 (one month ago) link

Godzilla vs Kong was kind of flat compared to Skull Island. I thought that one, even when the human characters were goofy, had decent characterization and you could point to each character and explain their motivation. GvsK just... has motivations that make no sense whatsoever

It did deliver everything promised by the title, though.

mh, Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:31 (one month ago) link

Shin Godzilla, which I will never shut up about, had a lot of human time which was.awesome

lukas, Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:11 (one month ago) link

The exception that proves the rule -- the whole point of Shin Godzilla isn't the monster so much as the fuck-ups.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:17 (one month ago) link

still waiting for the gonzo Fury Road/Raid version of one of these thats just all the good stuff and none of the boring stuff

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:27 (one month ago) link

Shin Godzilla is amazing.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:47 (one month ago) link

I'm realizing that the only Godzilla I have seen is 1998...

jmm, Thursday, 1 April 2021 18:03 (one month ago) link

okay this is unexpectedly great

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 April 2021 04:43 (one month ago) link

MZS review pretty OTM

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/godzilla-vs-kong-movie-review-2021

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 April 2021 04:44 (one month ago) link

so many fave moments but i looooled at how Kong slams his shoulder into a skyscraper to pop it back into place like Riggs in Lethal Weapon

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 April 2021 04:55 (one month ago) link

somehow never saw the 2014 one, any good?

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 2 April 2021 15:07 (one month ago) link

you guys have me sold on shin godzilla

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 April 2021 16:15 (one month ago) link

Shin Godzilla rules, great pandemic movie

armoured van, Holden (sic), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:03 (one month ago) link

idk maybe i dont have the patience to enjoy these movies the way they are meant to be enjoyed but i got very frustrated with how complicated the plot was and how many characters there were in order to create situations where king kong and godzilla fight each other. idgaf about the backstory of the guy who does the podcast about the monster technology company or the handsome guy piloting the hollow earth shuttlecraft or w/e, monster smash stuff plz.

the fights btw godzilla and king kong were very fun especially the underwater stuff but in the big city i kept wishing the camera would step back and stay still more so i could see them better, i was losing patience for the 'you are there' swooping videogame camera moves and closeups, but i guess thats how modern CGI action is presented now. this was still fun but i also wish i'd just fast forwarded through everything except the parts where kong and/or godzilla smash stuff.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 2 April 2021 19:00 (one month ago) link

This was cool. Still prefer the pulpy and trim(mer) “Skull Island”, though.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:52 (one month ago) link

just watched godzilla 2014....a few amazing moments of godzilla ownage but a bit of a slog to get there. going from cranston to tylor-johnson as focus character is a huge downgrade. the dusty grey was irritating but it made the halo jumping sequence look incredible, that almost has the feeling of what a good live-action Eva should feel like. but only for about.....2 minutes.

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Saturday, 3 April 2021 03:37 (one month ago) link

watanabe, olsen, hawkins all woefully overqualified

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Saturday, 3 April 2021 03:39 (one month ago) link

meanwhile Skull Island is even better than I remembered. considering the sheer density of MCU actors in this it's a miracle vogt-roberts didn't get sucked into that orbit (or hasn't yet, anyway). it looks so good!

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Saturday, 3 April 2021 12:59 (one month ago) link

man, this was absolute dogshit trash. you don't need to have the tightest script or the most memorable performances in a monster movie, but you should probably at least try

k3vin k., Monday, 5 April 2021 01:39 (one month ago) link

it had some OK moments but it was no Skull Island.

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 5 April 2021 04:16 (one month ago) link

pity poor Brian Tyree Henry who was stuck with maybe the worst-timed "hero" imaginable

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 5 April 2021 04:17 (one month ago) link

he tried to bring the right amount of conspiracy-crazy but the script didn’t quite cut it imo

mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 14:15 (one month ago) link

This was like a cross between one of the bad '70s Godzilla movies and a bad '80s movie but with state of the art special effects that ... wasn't totally bad? But was totally stupid. I suppose in the end I'd much rather something like this be almost totally incoherent but come in under two hours than try to be incoherent, hit 2 1/2 hours and still be incoherent. And boring. Which this was at times, too, but again, at under 2 hours, it could have been worse. But not much stupider.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 02:50 (one month ago) link

In 2021 “under two hours” is like an automatic 7/10 minimum.

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 02:51 (one month ago) link

the effects were...fine? kong haymakering godzilla on the aircraft carrier was p sick, otherwise this would have just been better as a video game

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 April 2021 02:52 (one month ago) link

Def. felt 90+% CG, that's for sure. Would play a game that looked like this. Certainly the games I've been playing lately have been better written.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:08 (one month ago) link

I only noticed the liquid/green blood effects being extremely janky, almost Xavier Renegade Angel-esque at times

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:12 (one month ago) link

I assumed they did that partly so that the grisly stuff (monsters beheaded, brains sucked out, creatures getting ripped in half, etc.) wouldn't get the movie an R.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:18 (one month ago) link

I really think brody nailed what was missing with this flick

I gotta respect Brody panning #GodzillaVsKong despite all the "how do you do fellow kids" types on here who decided it's so dumb you get to love it. There's little worse than the professional culture drudge who decides to let us know, "I'm fun!" They always pick the wrong movie.

— Pfizer Wilhelm (@benschwartz_) April 3, 2021

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/godzilla-vs-kong-reviewed-a-monster-mush-of-two-venerable-franchises

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:50 (one month ago) link

this was pure trash and i regret sitting through it

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 05:38 (one month ago) link

- it presumed i knew or cared about the past films (which i'm pretty sure I watched?!?) but i do not
- the design of the monsters and tech and cities and costumes was tasteful and clean and derivative and expensive looking and utterly uninspired
- it has been awhile since i watched a big non-marvel summer blockbuster but i'm stunned at how painfully dumb every single line and action was. relentless inanity.
- the actors, as noted above, might as well have been in entirely different movies; everyone poorly served in every way
- the cynicism of godzilla/kong/mechazilla's respective body count - clearly each in the tens of thousands regardless of what fake news CNN says - juxtaposed with little crying girl clapping so that kong comes back to life was nauseating
- fight sequences fine enough to keep me around but otherwise generally moribund sequences throughout

not a fan

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 05:43 (one month ago) link

how in the fuck are you gonna put lance reddick in a movie and give him like four seconds of screen time

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 05:51 (one month ago) link

May I add that Millie Bobby Brownie is dead weight on the screen as well? Absolutely no charisma. The little girl from Kong's island stole the movie and she just blinked a lot and shed a tear.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 07:43 (one month ago) link

how in the fuck are you gonna put lance reddick in a movie and give him like four seconds of screen time


I completely enjoyed the movie for what it was but there is no denying they fucked this up.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:10 (one month ago) link

I assumed they did that partly so that the grisly stuff (monsters beheaded, brains sucked out, creatures getting ripped in half, etc.) wouldn't get the movie an R.

This gives me another prompt to praise Skull Island again - the violence in that movie pushes the boundaries of PG-13 more than any recent one I can think of.

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:58 (one month ago) link

Millie Bobby Brownie is dead weight

Holy crap is this otm. I didn't see the last Godzilla, but did see the first ("first") nu-Godzilla and "Skull Island," and not only did I not know her character, she and her crew were bad and had nothing to do. Even my daughter, a big Stranger Things fan, kept saying "oh, I forgot these people were in it" every time it cut back to them and their "story." I did appreciate it on a nostalgia level, since a lot of the bad classic Godzilla films are bogged down with boring children of dubious motives scampering around these behemoth battlegrounds like mice, too.

I had literally no idea what Kyle Chandler (let alone Lance Riddick) was doing, where they were or who they were. Also, at one point toward the end I got up to use the bathroom, came back a minute later, and Mechagodzilla was destroying everything. I asked my kid, wait, what did I miss? (This is not a movie worth pausing.) And she just shrugged and said "oh, Mechagodzilla went rogue." At times it felt like Wingard had found a whole bunch of unused footage from other movies of actors delivering ridiculous lines ("if we reverse the polarity of the gravitational field then maybe we can create a nuclear-genesis event that will fuel the primal flex line! Otherwise, we will be stranded in hollow Earth until evolution concedes its wrestling match with these mortal enemy titans!"), had his team create 90 minutes of Godzilla and Kong doing their respective thing, then just inserted the people and their scenes in seemingly random spots.

godzilla/kong/mechazilla's respective body count

Seriously, in fact I thought at first they were going to lean into it even harder (no pun intended). That is, when Godzilla first appears in Hong Kong (iirc?) I could have sworn it was just going to level every skyscraper at once with one big sweep of its tail, which would have been pretty audacious and funny. Or when Kong picked up that plane to throw at Godzilla, at first I figured it was empty, then I realized Kong did not gaf that there was still a pilot in there, but then they wimped out and had the pilot eject.

I've definitely seen worse than this movie, but that did not make it good. In fact, I kept expecting kind of a reverse of "The Guest," which started out serious and then shifted into totally garish ott neon goofiness by the end. I figured Wingard was starting this one all slick and silly and neon and then was going to do something with the last third, too, but no, it stayed slick and silly and neon, only Kong also had a magic rechargeable axe.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:57 (one month ago) link

call me square but I'm sort of uncomfortable with the "hollow earth" aspect of these movies because real-world "alternate-shape" earth conspiracy nuts are pretty much all anti-semites and half are pedophiles

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:01 (one month ago) link

All the conspiracy theory stuff, btw, and the hand sanitizer, the bleach, apparently it was baked in years ago (the movie wrapped April 2019), so a total weird coincidence.

Speaking of pedophiles and tunnels, is this the first on-screen depiction of a Musk-y hyperloop?

Anyway, where's Brad to declare "this the best movie I've ever seen!"?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:06 (one month ago) link

The "hollow earth" aspect has been baked in since at least Skull Island. maybe kong or zilla scholars will tell me it actually goes much further back idk

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:08 (one month ago) link

Tbf, I think contemporary crazies have forgotten all about hollow earth theory, since a lot of them have regressed even further to flat earth theory and as we know, the earth cannot be both flat and hollow because that would be illogical and a total fantasy.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:10 (one month ago) link

i mostly enjoyed this movie for what it was, if anything i think it could’ve been a bit more brazenly dumb instead of apathetically dumb

there was that part where kong takes that one wing lizard by the tail and uses it like a baseball bat to smack another winged lizard out of the air, then does a little bat flip with the first monster’s tail. more of that, please

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:11 (one month ago) link

I didn't understand why the girl, fluent in sign language, still felt the need to sign to Kong in caveman talk. "Kong go home. Kong find family." Kong probably thought she was a moron.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:12 (one month ago) link

maybe she saw a youtube documentary about koko the gorilla

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:15 (one month ago) link

That's probably what Kong was thinking. "Wait, does this girl think I'm Koko? Um, OK, I guess I'll play along. "Kong happy." (giggles) "Kong want hug."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:18 (one month ago) link

I'm honestly surprised they did not make him literally talk, like the Gorilla in "Congo."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhXJGA32YI

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:20 (one month ago) link

I was really not into how humanlike Kong was in this tbh, I thought Skull Island gave him enough character without going too far in that direction

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:32 (one month ago) link

i'm still reeling from the part in the zoller seitz review where he raves about the "no muss no fuss story"... like did he just watch an effects demo reel or what

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:43 (one month ago) link

gotta admit i'm a little at sea trying to make sense of the "its dumb but GLORIOUSLY dumb, they really lean into the CRAZY" reactions bc idk the monster fighting was good but didnt seem exceptionally nuts to me, like kong isnt firing a tommy gun or breakdancing or anything. some of these raves sell it like its Kaiju Kung Fu Hustle or something, which id love to see but this wasnt that

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:58 (one month ago) link

Anyway, where's Brad to declare "this the best movie I've ever seen!"?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:06 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

little to no interest in the current iteration of the monsterverse, tho i do wanna see kong: skull island

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:04 (one month ago) link

Brad, I think you'd like this! See Skull Island first, though.

I haven't read any reviews but I assumed they meant that the people stuff was gloriously dumb, because giant ape vs Godzilla is innately dumb (and awesome). I could see how the people stuff and plot (as such) could be read as gloriously dumb, because it was definitely more than just merely dumb, imo.

how humanlike Kong was in this

I dunno, maybe it explains why, for all the "Kong bows to no one" nonsense, Kong was constantly getting his ass kicked.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:06 (one month ago) link

a good 75% of the human interactions (including that line) were just fodder so they’d have something to put in the trailer

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:10 (one month ago) link

*rebecca hall looks directly into the camera*

“kong bows to no one!”

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:10 (one month ago) link

Lol ok wiki:

Skarsgård called Nathan an homage to 1980s films like Indiana Jones, Romancing the Stone, Lethal Weapon, and Die Hard. Skarsgård prepped for the film by researching the Hollow Earth.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:13 (one month ago) link

little to no interest in the current iteration of the monsterverse, tho i do wanna see kong: skull island

you will not regret watching kong: skull island imo

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:18 (one month ago) link

skarsgard had to teach himself how to play a character that wasn't an enormous creep

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:20 (one month ago) link

The Godzilla one with Cranston has some good moments, Skull Island is probably my favorite of all of these and actually fun in a way the recent Godzilla movies never are, because they’re positioned as being more about loss and human drama.

Godzilla: King of the Monsters has a handful of fun moments, mostly contained in the monster battles, and a very thin selection of interesting human moments. Ken Watanabe and Vera Farmiga get some good bits, and don’t appear in GvK for (no spoilers) plot reasons from that movie. I have no idea why they shoehorned in MBB and Kyle Chandler into this new one, because the former has motivations that could have been any stock character and Chandler’s given absolutely zero to work with and his scenes just exist to suck the air out of the room. Brian Tyree Henry’s character seems like they wanted to cast Craig Robison and have him ad lib half the lines. All the material he has to work with his kind of boilerplate

For some reason, the bit that bugged me the most was the big evil corporation having all this highly advanced technology when this seems to take place in the present or at most the near future. The other ones didn’t really do that, and. now we’ve got these electromagnetic antigravity ships?

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:08 (one month ago) link

What do they have against gravity, anyway?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:11 (one month ago) link

why do I suddenly feel like I’m drinking coffee in a car

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:13 (one month ago) link

the (hopefully) best thing about watching GZvK is that it has motivated me to have a go at Shin Godzilla now

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:18 (one month ago) link

Shin Godzilla is great, but also a completely different type of movie than this run of new big budget Godzilla films. It's basically a drama about government bureaucracy with incidental Godzilla mayhem.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:23 (one month ago) link

Where did Tyree, MBB and Julian sneak onto the maglev subway? Florida? I could handle the giant monsters fine, but given that Seattle took 6 years to bore out the two mile Highway 99 tunnel, my brain tangented to "when/how did they build a FL to Hong Kong subway?" If there are secret societies amongst us, they are excellent at construction projects.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:27 (one month ago) link

one of the constant brain breakers about this film for me was the juxtaposition of an international super-science team that has the wherewithal to figure out how to basically lift the Ever Given with a big net and a fleet of jumbo helicopters in the space of a few hours but can't keep a seven year old from wandering on to the deck of an airplane carrieer
or the amoral capitalist tesla (basically just tesla) company that creates an underground maglev supertrain from Florida to Hong Kong but doesn't take the time to check the cargo in its monster egg transports
etc ad infinitum

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:38 (one month ago) link

basically everyone sees the tech for the first time when they start using it, no one has a user's manual but everyone knows where the seatbelts are

evil capitalist guy and his evil capitalist daughter are incredibly unnecessarily stupid in the approach and execution of their goals and both die for laughs in the same stupid kind of "UH OH" sequences

i dunno, i think i'll remember this film much more than mank (and it's not much worse!) but i wish i hadn't bothered

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:41 (one month ago) link

I literally have no memory of an evil capitalist guy death scene. The daughter (who we kept calling Khloe Kardashian), what a stupid pointless drama free death that was, even for a stupid pointless character.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:02 (one month ago) link

that guy’s death scene was one of the few times I laughed, not because of the highly choreographed death, but because of another character saying “I really wanted to hear the rest of his speech!”

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:08 (one month ago) link

the role of The Other Kid played by Julian Dennison was really the most memorable character outside of the monsters

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:12 (one month ago) link

the cute deaf girl might lead him a little in plot relevance and screen time, though

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:13 (one month ago) link

biggest wtf plot thing for me was the business with ghidorah's skull having psychic powers? why not have it be his brain? was very confused by all that until i realized they were just positing that the skull also works like a brain (i guess?)

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:37 (one month ago) link

by far the best "i wanted to hear the rest of his speech" death scene in movie history is this one, everything else is just copying the master
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS8I9H07wKw

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 19:32 (one month ago) link

Elon Musk dude must have died when I was in the bathroom during that same minute that Mechagodzilla went rogue.

Question: if Musk could have made a giant robot, why did he decide on the form of a robot Godzilla? Lack of creativity, imo.

Meanwhile, how are they going to fill and plug the giant Kong-sized (plot) hole that runs from the center of the earth to Hong Kong?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:01 (one month ago) link

thoughts thoughts thoughts
• forks otm, no question that is the GOAT of unfinished speeches
• much like recent star wars, the first thing I thought on seeing the cybernetics office park with its own nuclear reactor was "okay where are they getting the money? let's talk cash flows..."
• this had the unexpected effect of inoculating me from disbelief by the time we got to the Florida to HK tunnel bc sure lol why not nothing matters
• feel like no one here is giving sufficient weight to the sheer edgar rice burroughs-ass majesty of the GODDAMN THRONE

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:53 (one month ago) link

the throne (and the throneroom) in particular is one of the places where i felt like the design was tastefully lazy. they basically went for brown fortress of solitude.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 01:14 (one month ago) link

Who built those stairs?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:21 (one month ago) link

serf kong

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:02 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

watching this at the request of kids, I have no interest at all in action movies / sequences, but have do say that the dialogue is fucking appalling here. maybe all of these films are like this though, idk

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 25 April 2021 17:10 (three weeks ago) link

Man, tough crowd. What did you even expect a giant monkey or fire-breathing lizard to say, anyway?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 April 2021 17:29 (three weeks ago) link

something about supply-side economics

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 April 2021 17:41 (three weeks ago) link

someone was spouting stuff about mind control via fluoride in the water, don't think it was one of the monsters

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 25 April 2021 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

GODZILLA IS HURTING PEOPLE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 25 April 2021 22:33 (three weeks ago) link

Monkeys have tails, apes don't. Kong is an ape fwiw.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 April 2021 04:01 (two weeks ago) link

If Kong can be a one-off ape the size of a skyscraper then he can also be a one-off giant monkey without a tail. That's just science.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 April 2021 12:35 (two weeks ago) link


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